Debian 2.2r3 : install floppy
Lors de l'install par floppy je me retrouve avec une erreur sur la 7ème disquette (checksum incorrect). J'ai essayé avec 2 images de 2 CDs différents mais rien à faire. Quelqu'un saurait il comment je peux m'en sortir ? -- /° Eric Berthomier (V)_
Re: Debian 2.2r3 : install floppy
Le mer 23/10/2002 à 14:36, Eric BERTHOMIER a écrit : Lors de l'install par floppy je me retrouve avec une erreur sur la 7ème disquette (checksum incorrect). J'ai essayé avec 2 images de 2 CDs différents mais rien à faire. tu as testé la disquette ? as tu comparé la disquette avec le fichier sur le CD avec cmp ? Quelqu'un saurait il comment je peux m'en sortir ? -- /° Eric Berthomier (V)_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: non-recognition of hard drive(s) upon booting. KT7A-RAID m.b., Debian 2.2r3, quantum fireball 30 Meg disks
On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 11:10:03PM -0800, Robert L. Bransford wrote: ... Debian Linux 2.2r3. Everything seems to work fine until I reach the part in ... controller. The m.b. has 2 more controllers (IDE 3 IDE 4) for UDMA-100: on You need a special boot diskette to recognize your UDMA drives. In the install manual search for 'howto boot from floppy' and select the image including the patch for ATA. Note that you only need the diskette for booting, after you can use the CD. Let me know if you want more precise info. Christophe -- Christophe Barbé [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FingerPrint: E0F6 FADF 2A5C F072 6AF8 F67A 8F45 2F1E D72C B41E Cats seem go on the principle that it never does any harm to ask for what you want. --Joseph Wood Krutch pgpuUyGuwgLTd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Fw: non-recognition of hard drive(s) upon booting. KT7A-RAID m.b., Debian 2.2r3, quantum fireball 30 Meg disks
Hello, I am doing something for my first time: building my own system and install Debian Linux 2.2r3. Everything seems to work fine until I reach the part in dbootsrap where I need to partion my hard drive(s). At that point in time, the installer pgm basically says "you don't have any disks." I physically do, but it doesn't see them. This is the system I have put together: OS:Debian Linux 2.2r3 (only) Motherboard: ABIT KT7A-RAID. I have set this up in the BIOS to use RAID 0 (striping) for performance enhancement. CPU: AMD Athlon 1.0 Gig CD-ROM:I/O Magic CD-Burner: Pacific Digital ZIP Drive:Iomega 100 Floppy: Generic Hard Drives: Quantum Fireball 30 Gig (2). Bought as "Bare" drives. I have installed all the hardware, checked that all cables were secure, power supplied to devices, etc. I put the CD-ROM disc of the OS into my CD-ROM drive and it begins the boot process. I assume the CD-ROM drive is recognized correctly (it wouldn't have started the boot process if not). Everything except the hard drives seems to berecognized. The two CD-ROM devices are IDE. One ismounted on the m.b. IDE 1 controller. The other, along with theZIP drive, is on the IDE 2 controller. The m.b. has 2 more controllers (IDE 3 IDE 4) for UDMA-100: on each I have connecteda Quantum drive. Note that I have not formatted nor partitioned the hard drives. Without an OS, it's tough to do that! I have, after the dbootstrap program started, "alt'd" into the linux prompt. I ran the following commands: e2fsck /dev/hda - read only file system. not ext2 format. e2fsck /dev/hdb - device not configured e2fsck /dev/hdc -device not configured e2fsck /dev/hdd- read only file system e2fsck /dev/mdo - attempt to read block for filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/md0. Could this be a 0-length partition? I also ran cfdisk. It defaulted to /dev/hda and was read only. I did get some practice on how to use the cfdisk. My initial thought is that I somehow need to format the Quantum drives that are RAID0'd together to be seen as one unit. ( I don't, however, know the exact syntax to do that.) If the Linux system saw them as one unit and I knew that name, like /dev/md0, I think the dbootstrap installer would allow me to partition it/them and proceed. I would certainly appreciate any help that could be provided in getting over this hurdle. Thanks, Gary
Debian 2.2r3 sur un portable IBM Thinkpad
Je veux installer ma Debian sur un portable IBM Thinkpad, mais j'ai un poblème lors de la configuration du crontroleur PCMCIA, je ne sais pas quels paramètres donnés ,et le controleur ne s'initialise pas et par conséquence je n'est pas de réseaux. Quelqu'un a-t-il une idée du problème? Merci
Re: Debian 2.2r3 sur un portable IBM Thinkpad
* LEBRETON Philippe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [161101 14:01]: Je veux installer ma Debian sur un portable IBM Thinkpad, mais j'ai un poblème lors de la configuration du crontroleur PCMCIA, je ne sais pas quels paramètres donnés ,et le controleur ne s'initialise pas et par conséquence je n'est pas de réseaux. Quelqu'un a-t-il une idée du problème? Ben non , mais si c'est un T20, tu peux toujours regarder chez moi (voir url dans ma signature) ce que j'ai fait, ça marche nickel. C'est d'ailleurs la raison pour laquelle je ne peux pas plus t'aider : je n'ai jamais eu de pb. a+ -- Jean-Charles Bagneris PGP/GnuPG public key : http://perso.mnet.fr/jcb Debian GNU/Linux sur un Thinkpad T20 : http://perso.mnet.fr/jcb/fr/thinkpad.htm Cryptographie ? http://openpgp.i-quake.com/index.html
can't insmod wd with debian 2.2r3
Hi ! I have an old ISA NIC: SMC EtherCard Plus Elite 16 Combo (WD/8013EW) It works fine with Windows 98, Mandrake Linux, Coyote Linux Router however in Debian 2.2r3 insmod wd fails (neitherwith io=0x280 irq=5 nor withautoprobe). Where is the problem ? sincerely, Kirill Nelus
Re: can't insmod wd with debian 2.2r3
Could it be that this is a PNP card? Does the card appears in the boot messages? Perhaps you need other io and/or irq settings? Is the appropriate module found in /lib/modules/`uname`/net/? ---BeginMessage--- Hi ! I have an old ISA NIC: SMC EtherCard Plus Elite 16 Combo (WD/8013EW) It works fine with Windows 98, Mandrake Linux, Coyote Linux Router however in Debian 2.2r3 insmod wd fails (neitherwith io=0x280 irq=5 nor withautoprobe). Where is the problem ? sincerely, Kirill Nelus ---End Message--- Shaul Karl email: shaulka (replace these parenthesis with @) bezeqint, delete the spaces and add .net
ATI Xpert 2000 32Mby bajo debian 2.2r3
¿¿Alguien sabe como hacer funcionar la ATI Xpert 2000 32Mby bajo debian 2.2r3?? hay que hacer algo especial??? esk al intentar arrancar no me detecta la tarjeta. GRACIAS
Re: La última Debian 2.2r3 está en español
On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 06:40:10PM -0300, Fernando wrote: Estimado debian-user-spanish, La última Debian 2.2r3 está en español ?? Muchas gracias. Esta pregunta te debería quedar resuelta consultando www.debian.org/international/Spanish Ahí verás las distintas cosas que se hacen para internacionalizar Debian aunque, como ya se ha comentado, Debian se nutre de otros proyectos (GNU-es, LUCAS, Insflug, PAMELI, etc..) para internacionalizar el sistema operativo completo y ofrecer adaptación para usuarios hispanoparlantes. Un saludo Javi PD: He presentado una ponencia para Hispalinux (congreso.hispalinux.es) a este respecto que, aunque no esté aceptada, puedo remitir a aquellos interesados...
Re: Debian 2.2r3 apt-get dselect - testing
Jaime, I've started a thread on this list on a very similar subject (re:mixture of potato testing). People have strongly discouraged me of mixing the different version of debian. Vittorio Jaime cristerna Avila [debian-user] 27/09/01 14:46 -0700: On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Jason Boxman wrote: . There are unofficial XFree 4.x packages for Potato. Perhaps search the list archives. . Thank you Jason for your reply. I considered your suggestion but was not pleased with it. If I choose to do it this way, it means that I would have to rely on unofficial packages and Apt/dselect wouldn't have access to updates or bug fixes provided by the debian distributions. What if I wanted to add another package other than X that is not in stable but found in testing or unstable and leave the other stable packages as is in my installation. So far, it seems like there is no mechanism with debian to do this. Am I wrong? I hope so. Your replies would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Jaime Avila University of Southern California Department of Chemistry # ### , , # # # D e b i a n / \ # # # L i n u x ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) ##v##Rules! `-_---' `---_-' ## vvv ## `--|o` 'o|--' # ## \ ` / ## ## ): :( ### ###:o_o: +++# ##++- ++# #++ GNU's Not Unix! +++# #+++ +###+ +++ +++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian 2.2r3 apt-get dselect - testing
On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 02:46:14PM -0700, Jaime cristerna Avila wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Jason Boxman wrote: . There are unofficial XFree 4.x packages for Potato. Perhaps search the list archives. . Thank you Jason for your reply. I considered your suggestion but was not pleased with it. If I choose to do it this way, it means that I would have to rely on unofficial packages and Apt/dselect wouldn't have access to updates or bug fixes provided by the debian distributions. What if I wanted to add another package other than X that is not in stable but found in testing or unstable and leave the other stable packages as is in my installation. So far, it seems like there is no mechanism with debian to do this. Am I wrong? I hope so. I have found this information on newbiedoc.sourceforce.net (thanks to the author Will Trillich): Starting in 2001 a new distribution of Debian is available. It is called testing, and it covers the ground between stable and UNSTABLE. Testing is made of packages that have survived 14 days in unstable without breaking. Major life-threatening bugs are thus solved before making their way into testing. However, that also means that security upgrades are also at least 14 days behind schedule... However if your version of apt supports it ( = 0.5 ), there is a very easy way to follow multiple distributions, it is called pinning: You must modify /etc/apt/preferences and add: 1 Package: * 2 Pin: release a=stable 3 Pin-Priority: 900 4 5 Package: * 6 Pin: release a=testing 7 Pin-Priority: -10 8 then you must add lines for both stable and testing to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get update which will download the usual files twice, one for each distribution. After this, you can use the -t option to choose which distribution you want to get packages from: # apt-get -t testing install sgmltools2 The Pin-Priority fields ensure that unless you specifiy it manually, all packages will be taken from the stable distribution (of course, dependencies are always met, so you might have to download more than one package from testing) Maybe this helps. Helmut
Re: Debian 2.2r3 apt-get dselect - testing
Mentioned link should be http://newbiedoc.sorceforge.net/ ^ Sorry for typo. Helmut
La última Debian 2.2r3 está en español
Estimado debian-user-spanish, La última Debian 2.2r3 está en español ?? Muchas gracias. -- Saludos, Fernando mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Es increíble! el mejor antivirus para LiNUX ha detectado un virus llamado WindowsMe en mi CD original
Re: La última Debian 2.2r3 está enespañol
On Thursday 27 September 2001 23:40, Fernando wrote: Estimado debian-user-spanish, La última Debian 2.2r3 está en español ?? Muchas gracias. no, pero se puede castellanizar yo, no lo recuerdo y nunca lo he hecho...(no soy español), pero aquí en la lista sí que hay!... se que se tiene que instalar un paquete que suena mas o menos user-es o algo así y después como root dar el comando castellanizar aguien de los otros lo espliquerà mejor que yo... ciao, MaX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: La última Debian 2.2r3 está en español
Fernando: ¿La última Debian 2.2r3 está en español? Unas cosas sí y otras no. Debian está hecha de materiales de muy diversas procedencias, cada una con un grado distinto de internacionalización, así que no es una pregunta que se pueda contestar con un sí o con un no, a menos que te refieras a algún aspecto muy específico de la distribución. Ejemplos de cosas que sí están en español: * El manual de instalación. * Esta lista de correo :-) * Muchos mensajes de los que dan algunos programas: $ rm fu rm: no se puede borrar `fu': No existe el fichero o el directorio $ rmdir . rmdir: .: Permiso denegado $ gpg gpg: Adelante, teclee su mensaje... $ dpkg -i dpkg: la operación solicitada precisa privilegios de superusuario $ tar a tar: opción inválida -- a Pruebe `tar --help' para más información.
Re: Debian 2.2r3 apt-get dselect - testing
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Jason Boxman wrote: . There are unofficial XFree 4.x packages for Potato. Perhaps search the list archives. . Thank you Jason for your reply. I considered your suggestion but was not pleased with it. If I choose to do it this way, it means that I would have to rely on unofficial packages and Apt/dselect wouldn't have access to updates or bug fixes provided by the debian distributions. What if I wanted to add another package other than X that is not in stable but found in testing or unstable and leave the other stable packages as is in my installation. So far, it seems like there is no mechanism with debian to do this. Am I wrong? I hope so. Your replies would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Jaime Avila University of Southern California Department of Chemistry # ### , , # # # D e b i a n / \ # # # L i n u x ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) ##v##Rules! `-_---' `---_-' ## vvv ## `--|o` 'o|--' # ## \ ` / ## ## ): :( ### ###:o_o: +++# ##++- ++# #++ GNU's Not Unix! +++# #+++ +###+ +++ +++
Debian 2.2r3 apt-get dselect - testing
Hello Everyone, This is my first time posting onto this list. I don't know if this question is best directed to user-dpkg. Regardless, I will try asking here first. My colleague and I have been installing Debian 2.2rx onto several computers built by my colleague and I. We prefer using G200 video cards but unfortunately Matrox insists on discontinuing their earlier products. We can no longer obtain G200 or G400 video cards and are forced to purchase other cards not supported by the X in Debian 2.2r3. Therefore, I am considering the installing XFree864.1.x on potato but I don't want to break apt-get or dselect. We have tried pointing apt-get to the testing packages, but then We end up upgrading other packages as well. I have also installed Debian without X and then I downloaded XFree 4.1.0 tarballs and installed X that way. However, apt-get and dselect no long know about XFree86. Is there any way, I can keep potato and just update the XFree to 4.1.0 from the testing packages. I still want dselect and apt-get to be aware of the packages and be in sync. Your assistance will be greately appreciated. Jaime Avila University of Southern California Department of Chemistry # ### , , # # # D e b i a n / \ # # # L i n u x ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) ##v##Rules! `-_---' `---_-' ## vvv ## `--|o` 'o|--' # ## \ ` / ## ## ): :( ### ###:o_o: +++# ##++- ++# #++ GNU's Not Unix! +++# #+++ +###+ +++ +++
Re: Debian 2.2r3 apt-get dselect - testing
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 05:09 pm, Jaime cristerna Avila wrote: Hello Everyone, This is my first time posting onto this list. I don't know if this question is best directed to user-dpkg. Regardless, I will try asking here first. snip Is there any way, I can keep potato and just update the XFree to 4.1.0 from the testing packages. I still want dselect and apt-get to be aware of the packages and be in sync. There are unofficial XFree 4.x packages for Potato. Perhaps search the list archives. Your assistance will be greately appreciated. Jaime Avila University of Southern California Department of Chemistry # ### , , # # # D e b i a n / \ # # # L i n u x ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) ##v##Rules! `-_---' `---_-' ## vvv ## `--|o` 'o|--' # ## \ ` / ## ## ): :( ### ###:o_o: +++# ##++- ++# #++ GNU's Not Unix! +++# #+++ +###+ +++ +++
Re: Debian 2.2r3 potato - linux core release?
* Roger Broadbent ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010915 16:59]: It appears that the potato release (2.2r3) uses the Linux kernel version 2.2.19pre17. However, I can only seem to find kernel headers for 2.2.18 or 2.2.19 on the release CD. This appears to mean that to install any modules without error messages (I need them for my video chipset my [lin]modem) I have had to recompile the kernel. I have these questions: 1. Have I done the right thing here, or is there a way I missed to add modules without having to recompile the kernel? 2. Recompiling the kernel with different headers concerns me. I chose potato as the 'stable' release. But now I wonder if that stability is being retained? It seems to me that the 'best stable' kernel ought to have been supplied, so moving to 2.2.18 or 2.2.19 should theoretically expose me either to unfixed bugs or to a less stable kernel respectively. Where is the flaw in this logic? This is a common misconception. 'stable' refers to the stability of the package list, not the systems running on those packages. No matter which of potato(stable), woody(testing), or sid(unstable) you run, your system will be VERY STABLE compared to other (non-Debian) systems. As to your direct fears: fear not. Moving to kernel 2.2.19 (or in general the latest kernel in your chosen kernel series -- i.e. 2.2.x or 2.4.x) will give you the benefit of more *fixed* bugs. The reason that potato is distributed with kernel 2.2.19pre17 is because that's the version that was the latest at the time potato was made stable. You can upgrade to 2.2.19 with no problems. Also, do you have an Internet connection (at a decent speed)? If you do, you should be able to simply say apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19 kernel-headers-2.2.19, provided only you have valid source lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list Here's an example of a sources.list you might use: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free deb http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian-non-US/ stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian-non-US/ stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org potato/updates main contrib non-free 3. Assuming I do need to recompile the kernel, and 2.2.19pre17 headers are not on the CD, should I be using 2.2.19 or 2.2.18 headers? If you're recompiling the kernel, you don't need a headers package. Install kernel-package and a kernel-source package (i.e. kernel-source-2.2.19) and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz Good luck, and feel free to post any more questions you have on your way. -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' pgpr6UTz6XdFN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire )
Here's what I do, got it from some dual-boot HOWTO or something: 1. The Win2000 system is set up and installed, all OK. 2. Lilo is set up as follows: boot=/dev/hda5 # instead or boot=/dev/hda This is the option to install to the partition instead of the MBR. 3. After running lilo, I run the command dd bs=512 if=/dev/hda5 of= bootsect.lnx count=1 This copies the first 512 bytes of /dev/hda5 to the file bootsect.lnx. 4. Copy the file bootsect.lnx into the root of your Win2000 system. 5. Edit your Windows boot.ini file by adding the line: C:\bootsect.lnx=Debian Linux 6. Now you're good to go. Each time you boot, the Windows boot menu will list Debian Linux as an option. On my system it's the default. The downside to this method is that you have to recreate the bootsect.lnx file every time you you run lilo, but I don't do that too often. HTH, Paul -- Paul Mackinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Please note new email address
Debian 2.2r3 potato - linux core release?
It appears that the potato release (2.2r3) uses the Linux kernel version 2.2.19pre17. However, I can only seem to find kernel headers for 2.2.18 or 2.2.19 on the release CD. This appears to mean that to install any modules without error messages (I need them for my video chipset my [lin]modem) I have had to recompile the kernel. I have these questions: 1. Have I done the right thing here, or is there a way I missed to add modules without having to recompile the kernel? 2. Recompiling the kernel with different headers concerns me. I chose potato as the 'stable' release. But now I wonder if that stability is being retained? It seems to me that the 'best stable' kernel ought to have been supplied, so moving to 2.2.18 or 2.2.19 should theoretically expose me either to unfixed bugs or to a less stable kernel respectively. Where is the flaw in this logic? 3. Assuming I do need to recompile the kernel, and 2.2.19pre17 headers are not on the CD, should I be using 2.2.19 or 2.2.18 headers? I am using the kernel source from the Debian GNU/Linux 2.2.r3 potato - Official i386 binary-1 (20010427) CD. I burned the CD myself from an image created as per instuctions on www.debian.org. I checked that the md5 checksum of the image was correct before burning. Thanks. Roger Broadbent _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire )
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:20:57PM -0600, LaGuardia, Kristofer S. wrote: I would do that, but there is one main problem that i can't remember if i mentioned way back in the beginning...I have my three hard drives on a Promise UDMA66 card...and my DVD and CD burner are on the motherboard. So...maybe that's the problem my BIOS is having. It could be conflicting with my Promise card's BIOS and not knowing which drive to boot up, so the BIOS overrides anything else. I might be stuck with trying GRUB...but not much is going on there either...I made a GRUB boot disk...and when it boots, it doesn't give me a menu or anything...just says GRUB . I'll get Linux on this machine one way or another. Just don't know the best way to go about doing it. I have a backup of Win2000, and the rest of the drive, so that isn't a problem(not that I know of). Anyone out there have a Promise card, and had Windows2000 installed first, then tried to install Debian? If you did, please let me know how the heck you got it installed. The help would be GREATLY appreciated!!! :)) I'm not giving up... A few years ago, when I was first learning linux, there was a rule that a pc operating system MUST boot off one of the first 2 IDE drives. I believe that wasn't a LILO thing so much as in IA (Intel Architecture) thing. Of course at that time, we had a 512 Mb booting rule too . . . Maybe the above doesn't apply any more, but it might. -- Thank you, Joe Bouchard Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
Re: GUI in Debian 2.2r3
On Monday Sep 10 22:40 Helmut Trinkl wrote: ** Now, Timo, why confuse it all here?! The user originally requesting ** help, recently installed Debian on his/her computer. He/she can't ** seem to get the GUI to show up, t h e GUI, not some GUI. Yes! And that's the fact cause i suggested him/her to install something like Gnome or KDE! I think this is anough for help cause there is not t h e GUI on a Debian system, but several GUI's. So don't let's quarrel about the best explanation for GUI. However! Thank you for your postings. May be possible it was bad from me, to forget to tell something about XFree86. Timo -- Wer Käse mag, der futtert auch Füsse! :-)
Re: GUI in Debian 2.2r3
On Monday Sep 10 03:01 Helmut Trinkl wrote: ** Windowmaker is a window maker. It's called 'Window Maker' and is an X11 ** window manager. It's part of a GUI. You won_t be very lucky to run a ** window manager just by itsself. You won_t be very lucky run a GUI ** without a window manager either. KDE, GNOME and X are GUI's that ** supposedly all use window managers. ** ** Helmut Yes Helmut! I know this. But if i like to install Gnome with one of the Debian tools like dselect you will see that X must be installed too. And if i would be so very exact like you, i had written that a GUI is a tool like gnome-toaster, KDE control center or thomething like that. Timo -- Wer Käse mag, der futtert auch Füsse! :-)
Re: GUI in Debian 2.2r3
Timeboy wrote: On Monday Sep 10 03:01 Helmut Trinkl wrote: ** Windowmaker is a window maker. It's called 'Window Maker' and is an X11 ** window manager. It's part of a GUI. You won_t be very lucky to run a ** window manager just by itsself. You won_t be very lucky run a GUI ** without a window manager either. KDE, GNOME and X are GUI's that ** supposedly all use window managers. ** ** Helmut Yes Helmut! I know this. But if i like to install Gnome with one of the Debian tools like dselect you will see that X must be installed too. And if i would be so very exact like you, i had written that a GUI is a tool like gnome-toaster, KDE control center or thomething like that. Timo First I would like to quote Patrick Barrett here who corrected and amended my statement in a different mail of this list, and for which I thank him very much: quote Err, you had it right for a while there... the last sentence is a bit off though. X is the display layer and windowing system. It is the interface with the hardware. You need a windowmanager if you want a border around your windows, and the ability to uh, do a lot of things. KDE and GNOME still use X. KDE has its own windowmanager, and GNOME usually uses sawfish. KDEGNOME are desktop environments, the idea is they make everything more comfortable and usable for the user. They're not an integral part of the system. unquote Now, Timo, why confuse it all here?! The user originally requesting help, recently installed Debian on his/her computer. He/she can't seem to get the GUI to show up, t h e GUI, not some GUI. This is not a personal-dispute-list, this is for helping and getting help and making data clear for Debian users, that's all there is to it. Helmut
Re: GUI in Debian 2.2r3
Timeboy wrote: On Saturday Sep 08 15:20 debi narge wrote: ** Hi guys, ** ** I recently installed Debian on my computer. The ** problem is I can't seem to get the GUI to show up. ** ** I'm not even sure if I chose to install the GUI or ** not. ** ** If I didn't install the GUI, is there a way to install ** it without reinstalling the entire OS? Yes you can install a GUI without reinstalling. But first you have to make a decision which GUI you like to install. There are a lot of GUI's. Windowmaker, KDE, Gnome ... Timo Windowmaker is a window maker. It's called 'Window Maker' and is an X11 window manager. It's part of a GUI. You won_t be very lucky to run a window manager just by itsself. You won_t be very lucky run a GUI without a window manager either. KDE, GNOME and X are GUI's that supposedly all use window managers. Helmut
Re: GUI in Debian 2.2r3
* Helmut Trinkl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Timeboy wrote: On Saturday Sep 08 15:20 debi narge wrote: ** Hi guys, ** ** I recently installed Debian on my computer. The ** problem is I can't seem to get the GUI to show up. ** ** I'm not even sure if I chose to install the GUI or ** not. ** ** If I didn't install the GUI, is there a way to install ** it without reinstalling the entire OS? Yes you can install a GUI without reinstalling. But first you have to make a decision which GUI you like to install. There are a lot of GUI's. Windowmaker, KDE, Gnome ... Timo Windowmaker is a window maker. It's called 'Window Maker' and is an X11 window manager. It's part of a GUI. You won_t be very lucky to run a window manager just by itsself. You won_t be very lucky run a GUI without a window manager either. KDE, GNOME and X are GUI's that supposedly all use window managers. Err, you had it right for a while there... the last sentence is a bit off though. X is the display layer and windowing system. It is the interface with the hardware. You need a windowmanager if you want a border around your windows, and the ability to uh, do a lot of things. KDE and GNOME still use X. KDE has its own windowmanager, and GNOME usually uses sawfish. KDEGNOME are desktop environments, the idea is they make everything more comfortable and usable for the user. They're not an integral part of the system. Helmut -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Patrick Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do not fear the ass, for it will be your salvation! --technos
GUI in Debian 2.2r3
Hi guys, I recently installed Debian on my computer. The problem is I can't seem to get the GUI to show up. I'm not even sure if I chose to install the GUI or not. If I didn't install the GUI, is there a way to install it without reinstalling the entire OS? If the GUI is installed, how do I get it to show up? Thanks in advance, Debinarge __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
Re: GUI in Debian 2.2r3
Hi guys, I recently installed Debian on my computer. The problem is I can't seem to get the GUI to show up. I'm not even sure if I chose to install the GUI or not. If I didn't install the GUI, is there a way to install it without reinstalling the entire OS? If the GUI is installed, how do I get it to show up? So you don't even know if you installed any GUI? What? You installed Debian in your sleep? ;o) Well if you don't get any GUI I assume your startup puts you at a terminal login prompt. Login with the user you made when you installed (you do remember if you made an ordinary user during install I hope). Then startx. If nothing happens you may need to install a GUI (also called X) Have your Debian CDs ready Become root tasksel Now select either the core X, or the complete X. Both will get you 'a GUI'. Complete X will install pretty much all the GUI stuff on the CDs, and that's a lot as far as I know. Be sure you need it all. If you want more than that return here and be more specific about what you want. Best regards Johnny :o)
Re: GUI in Debian 2.2r3
On Saturday Sep 08 15:20 debi narge wrote: ** Hi guys, ** ** I recently installed Debian on my computer. The ** problem is I can't seem to get the GUI to show up. ** ** I'm not even sure if I chose to install the GUI or ** not. ** ** If I didn't install the GUI, is there a way to install ** it without reinstalling the entire OS? Yes you can install a GUI without reinstalling. But first you have to make a decision which GUI you like to install. There are a lot of GUI's. Windowmaker, KDE, Gnome ... Timo -- Wer Käse mag, der futtert auch Füsse! :-)
Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire)
Title: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire) Okay, I didn't install LILO to the MBR. I did install it to the boot partition. However, nothing came up at boot time. Oh well, i will try again tonight...maybe I'm just missing something. Where would I find cd images of Woody? I am willing to give it a whirl. If I can't find the images I might have to go back to Mandrake...shudder... trying to find the light... kris
Re: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire)
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 07:39:17AM -0600, LaGuardia, Kristofer S. wrote: | Okay, I didn't install LILO to the MBR. I did install it to the boot | partition. However, nothing came up at boot time. Oh well, i will try | again tonight...maybe I'm just missing something. Where would I find cd | images of Woody? I am willing to give it a whirl. If I can't find the | images I might have to go back to Mandrake...shudder... Grab ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/grub-0.90-i386-pc.ext2fs and dump it to a floppy disk. Then you can boot with it. If you like grub then I can provide you with more details on configuring and installing it. When booting grub provides you with a preconfigured menu (that is, you configure it by ediing a file, this floppy image comes with a sample config) and a command line so that you can try out various options and see what works. If you installed Linux on /dev/hda1 then you want to have (hd0,0) as your root partition in grub's config. You can dump the image to a floppy using dd if=grub-0.90-i386-pc.ext2fs of=/dev/fd0 or you can use rawwritewin if you have a windows system (it's much better now since it has a gui). HTH, -D
Re: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire)
On 2001.09.05 15:39 LaGuardia, Kristofer S. wrote: Okay, I didn't install LILO to the MBR. I did install it to the boot partition. However, nothing came up at boot time. Oh well, i will try again tonight...maybe I'm just missing something. Where would I find cd images of Woody? I am willing to give it a whirl. If I can't find the images I might have to go back to Mandrake...shudder... Hey! Don't give up. Debian is a little bit harder to use for newbies, then Mandrake or somthimg like else. But the best Linux i ever used. How i remember you have your Windows on a FAT32 partition? You can put LILO into your MBR. And if you take my suggestion (Linux on the first HD), there are no problems if you install LILO into MBR of this Linux drive. I don't know whether there is a CD image for Woody. But do you have a CD set from Potato? Then install first Potato. Best only the base packages and that was is needed to get an connection to the internet. Using the tool dselect is very good to get an easy upgrade to Woody. And then you can install the other packages are needed of you. There is nothing while booting your new Debian Linux? Do you remember my words that the BIOS only can boot from you first hard disk? If Debian is on another disk you have to set your other disks to none in your BIOS. Then you should be able to boot from your Linux drive. After you have configured your LILO correct, you can put your other drives again into the BIOS. Timo
RE: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire )
Title: RE: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire) Believe me, I don't want to give up on Debian. I would really really like to get it up and running. My biggest problem is Win2000 is installed on the C drive, or first drive, and Debian is installed on the D drive. I would like to stay with LILO if possible. I'm about to break down and install it onto the same drive as Win2000. I'll just make another partition on it...I have 20 gigs free on it so I don't have a problem with installing something else on it. Then some of the tutorials and the installation might make sense. -Original Message- From: Timeboy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:46 AM To: LaGuardia, Kristofer S. Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire) On 2001.09.05 15:39 LaGuardia, Kristofer S. wrote: Okay, I didn't install LILO to the MBR. I did install it to the boot partition. However, nothing came up at boot time. Oh well, i will try again tonight...maybe I'm just missing something. Where would I find cd images of Woody? I am willing to give it a whirl. If I can't find the images I might have to go back to Mandrake...shudder... Hey! Don't give up. Debian is a little bit harder to use for newbies, then Mandrake or somthimg like else. But the best Linux i ever used. How i remember you have your Windows on a FAT32 partition? You can put LILO into your MBR. And if you take my suggestion (Linux on the first HD), there are no problems if you install LILO into MBR of this Linux drive. I don't know whether there is a CD image for Woody. But do you have a CD set from Potato? Then install first Potato. Best only the base packages and that was is needed to get an connection to the internet. Using the tool dselect is very good to get an easy upgrade to Woody. And then you can install the other packages are needed of you. There is nothing while booting your new Debian Linux? Do you remember my words that the BIOS only can boot from you first hard disk? If Debian is on another disk you have to set your other disks to none in your BIOS. Then you should be able to boot from your Linux drive. After you have configured your LILO correct, you can put your other drives again into the BIOS. Timo
Re: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire )
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:32:13AM -0600, LaGuardia, Kristofer S. wrote: | Believe me, I don't want to give up on Debian. I would really really like | to get it up and running. My biggest problem is Win2000 is installed on the | C drive, or first drive, and Debian is installed on the D drive. I would | like to stay with LILO if possible. I'm about to break down and install it | onto the same drive as Win2000. I'll just make another partition on it...I | have 20 gigs free on it so I don't have a problem with installing something | else on it. Then some of the tutorials and the installation might make | sense. Go with GRUB! It works beautifully. There is a Dell machine at work that has win2k on the beginning of the (big) hard drive and RH on the end. LILO (that came with RH6.2 anyways) had trouble booting Linux because it was too far into the disk, and I couldn't get it to boot win2k at all. Then I tried grub and had no trouble with either OS. In addition, my home PC had win98 on the first hard disk (ide bus 0) and Debian on the second hard disk (ide bus 1). LILO couldn't boot linux because my BIOS was too crappy to boot from the second disk (it was a compaq machine). After my good experience with grub at work I tried it at home and it had no trouble dual-booting! IMO grub is much easier to configure and use than lilo too. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub HTH, -D
RE: Help installing Debian 2.2r3
Title: RE: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 How did you do it? Also, do you have Win2000 on your first drive and then Debian on your second drive? -Original Message- From: Rino Mardo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:16 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Help installing Debian 2.2r17 On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 04:16:46PM +1000 or thereabouts, Matthew Dalton wrote: Hall Stevenson wrote: No worries here... Using seperate physical drives makes things much easier. This will actually be a LILO 'issue', but it can handle it just fine. One thing: Install Lilo to your 'first' (/dev/hdaX) hard disk's MBR. Don't install LILO to the MBR! If Windows 2000 is anything like NT (it is supposed to be NT 5, after all), you will need to setup Linux to boot from the Windows 2000 bootloader. If you install LILO to the MBR, you will likely render your Windows 2000 installation unbootable. ...snipped... i object! always wanted to say that. :-) i have win2k, linux, freebsd on my box and i use lilo to boot each OS. letting the win2k bootloader to boot your linux partition will only make it hard for you should you choose to recompile your kernel.
Re: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire )
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:32:13 -0600 LaGuardia, Kristofer S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe me, I don't want to give up on Debian. I would really really like to get it up and running. My biggest problem is Win2000 is installed on the C drive, or first drive, and Debian is installed on the D drive. I would like to stay with LILO if possible. I'm about to break down and install it onto the same drive as Win2000. I'll just make another partition on it...I have 20 gigs free on it so I don't have a problem with installing something else on it. Then some of the tutorials and the installation might make sense. If you're that desperate, I suggest just going to the bios and temporarily tagging drive C as uninstalled. That way it won't boot even if you can't get LILO to dual boot. Just install your bootloader on drive D (hdb), and forget that drive C exists. I once did that in my dark Window$ days so I can get two different Window$ installations to live in peace and harmony. Now if you want Bill back, just go to the bios and do the reverse, tag D as uninstalled and C as installed.
RE: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire )
Title: RE: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire ) I would do that, but there is one main problem that i can't remember if i mentioned way back in the beginning...I have my three hard drives on a Promise UDMA66 card...and my DVD and CD burner are on the motherboard. So...maybe that's the problem my BIOS is having. It could be conflicting with my Promise card's BIOS and not knowing which drive to boot up, so the BIOS overrides anything else. I might be stuck with trying GRUB...but not much is going on there either...I made a GRUB boot disk...and when it boots, it doesn't give me a menu or anything...just says GRUB . I'll get Linux on this machine one way or another. Just don't know the best way to go about doing it. I have a backup of Win2000, and the rest of the drive, so that isn't a problem(not that I know of). Anyone out there have a Promise card, and had Windows2000 installed first, then tried to install Debian? If you did, please let me know how the heck you got it installed. The help would be GREATLY appreciated!!! :)) I'm not giving up... -Original Message- From: csj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:24 PM To: LaGuardia, Kristofer S. Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Help installing Debian 2.2r3 (formerly 2.2r17 - brain misfire ) On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:32:13 -0600 LaGuardia, Kristofer S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe me, I don't want to give up on Debian. I would really really like to get it up and running. My biggest problem is Win2000 is installed on the C drive, or first drive, and Debian is installed on the D drive. I would like to stay with LILO if possible. I'm about to break down and install it onto the same drive as Win2000. I'll just make another partition on it...I have 20 gigs free on it so I don't have a problem with installing something else on it. Then some of the tutorials and the installation might make sense. If you're that desperate, I suggest just going to the bios and temporarily tagging drive C as uninstalled. That way it won't boot even if you can't get LILO to dual boot. Just install your bootloader on drive D (hdb), and forget that drive C exists. I once did that in my dark Window$ days so I can get two different Window$ installations to live in peace and harmony. Now if you want Bill back, just go to the bios and do the reverse, tag D as uninstalled and C as installed.
Re: Debian 2.2R3 scanner problem...
Hi, scanner help needed. I just installed a fresh Debian 2.2R3 and wanted to scan. So I installed sane. But when I run xscanimage it says it can't find any devices. That makes me wonder, because: During bootup the the BIOS finds my SCSI scanner. During Linux load, Linux finds my SCSI scanner. I can see my scanner in /proc/scsi/scsi When I run find-scanner, find-scanner finds my SCSI scanner on /dev/sg0 and on my link /dev/scanner. The scanner is a Mustek MFS 6000CX, which, according to the SANE homepage, is supported by the SANE version (1.0.1) on Debian 2.2R3. It's a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec 2930U SCSI controller, which is also supported on Debian 2.2R3. Now I'm clueless. Why can't xscanimage find the scanner when the rest of the system can? Have you tried xsane? It's deemed to be a little better at this. Works for me. Same thing with xsane I'm afraid. I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking about risking a messup by installing the latest sane package from testing. Noone has been able to help so far :o( Have you checked the permissions on your /dev/sg0? I have to change permissions every single time (modular SCSI with devfs) to use my scanner (HP ScanJet IIcx) as normal user. 'generic' device permissions are set tightly to prevent normal user from performing potentially destructive SCSI command upon device. I am trying to scan as root. Thus I should not have to care about permissions and other stuff for now. Thanks for your go at this. Note: Please do not reply both to me and cc to the list. I get everything twice because I'm on the list. General list etikette is to only reply to the list, and only cc to the sender when he asks for a direct reply. Best regards Johnny :o)
Re: Debian 2.2R3 scanner problem...
Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: Hi, scanner help needed. I just installed a fresh Debian 2.2R3 and wanted to scan. So I installed sane. But when I run xscanimage it says it can't find any devices. That makes me wonder, because: During bootup the the BIOS finds my SCSI scanner. During Linux load, Linux finds my SCSI scanner. I can see my scanner in /proc/scsi/scsi When I run find-scanner, find-scanner finds my SCSI scanner on /dev/sg0 and on my link /dev/scanner. The scanner is a Mustek MFS 6000CX, which, according to the SANE homepage, is supported by the SANE version (1.0.1) on Debian 2.2R3. It's a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec 2930U SCSI controller, which is also supported on Debian 2.2R3. Now I'm clueless. Why can't xscanimage find the scanner when the rest of the system can? Have you tried xsane? It's deemed to be a little better at this. Works for me.
Re: Debian 2.2R3 scanner problem...
Hi, scanner help needed. I just installed a fresh Debian 2.2R3 and wanted to scan. So I installed sane. But when I run xscanimage it says it can't find any devices. That makes me wonder, because: During bootup the the BIOS finds my SCSI scanner. During Linux load, Linux finds my SCSI scanner. I can see my scanner in /proc/scsi/scsi When I run find-scanner, find-scanner finds my SCSI scanner on /dev/sg0 and on my link /dev/scanner. The scanner is a Mustek MFS 6000CX, which, according to the SANE homepage, is supported by the SANE version (1.0.1) on Debian 2.2R3. It's a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec 2930U SCSI controller, which is also supported on Debian 2.2R3. Now I'm clueless. Why can't xscanimage find the scanner when the rest of the system can? Have you tried xsane? It's deemed to be a little better at this. Works for me. Same thing with xsane I'm afraid. I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking about risking a messup by installing the latest sane package from testing. Noone has been able to help so far :o( Best regards Johnny :o)
Re: Debian 2.2R3 scanner problem...
On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 08:19:23PM +0200, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: Hi, scanner help needed. I just installed a fresh Debian 2.2R3 and wanted to scan. So I installed sane. But when I run xscanimage it says it can't find any devices. That makes me wonder, because: During bootup the the BIOS finds my SCSI scanner. During Linux load, Linux finds my SCSI scanner. I can see my scanner in /proc/scsi/scsi When I run find-scanner, find-scanner finds my SCSI scanner on /dev/sg0 and on my link /dev/scanner. The scanner is a Mustek MFS 6000CX, which, according to the SANE homepage, is supported by the SANE version (1.0.1) on Debian 2.2R3. It's a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec 2930U SCSI controller, which is also supported on Debian 2.2R3. Now I'm clueless. Why can't xscanimage find the scanner when the rest of the system can? Have you tried xsane? It's deemed to be a little better at this. Works for me. Same thing with xsane I'm afraid. I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking about risking a messup by installing the latest sane package from testing. Noone has been able to help so far :o( Have you checked the permissions on your /dev/sg0? I have to change permissions every single time (modular SCSI with devfs) to use my scanner (HP ScanJet IIcx) as normal user. 'generic' device permissions are set tightly to prevent normal user from performing potentially destructive SCSI command upon device. -- Ferret I will be switching my email addresses from @ferret.dyndns.org to @mail.aom.geek on or after September 1, 2001, but not until after Debian's servers include support. 'geek' is an OpenNIC TLD. See http://www.opennic.unrated.net for details about adding OpenNIC support to your computer, or ask your provider to add support to their name servers. pgpJePvhgbElJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Debian 2.2R3 scanner problem...
Hi, scanner help needed. I just installed a fresh Debian 2.2R3 and wanted to scan. So I installed sane. But when I run xscanimage it says it can't find any devices. That makes me wonder, because: During bootup the the BIOS finds my SCSI scanner. During Linux load, Linux finds my SCSI scanner. I can see my scanner in /proc/scsi/scsi When I run find-scanner, find-scanner finds my SCSI scanner on /dev/sg0 and on my link /dev/scanner. The scanner is a Mustek MFS 6000CX, which, according to the SANE homepage, is supported by the SANE version (1.0.1) on Debian 2.2R3. It's a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec 2930U SCSI controller, which is also supported on Debian 2.2R3. Now I'm clueless. Why can't xscanimage find the scanner when the rest of the system can? I hope someone has a clue. Best regards Johnny :o)
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
| Trabalho em um provedor. 90% do suporte é graças a esse lixo | inventado pela humanidade: winmodem, softmodem, chamem do que | quiser. São de usuários Linux ou usuários Windows? Se for de Linux, realmente não há drivers para isso, e dependemos de esforço de voluntários como Jan Stifter e o pessoal do Linmodem.org. Se for de Windows, não sabia que a estatística era tão ruim. Para mim o driver de Windows funcionava bem e era fácil de instalar. Usuários Windows. Instalar não é o problema. Funcionar bem já é outra coisa, e aí a coisa pega. O que eu estava querendo dizer é que para um usuário normal o Winmodem funciona direito. Eu nunca vi ninguém além dos usuários de Linux reclamarem deles. Imagine um AMD Duron 750Mhz com 64MB RAM (que é a máquina Iiihh, acho que a coisa que mais vejo é gente reclamando desse lixo. :) Dá até para montar uma lista. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mais básica no momento) tendo que processar somente o Windows, o Office, Internet Explorer, etc. Não sou entendido de Sistemas Operacionais ou mesmo de Hardware para afirmar, mas eu acho que dá pra encaixar o processamento do tal do DSP aí no meio, será que não? Imagine o cara ouvindo um MP3, querendo ver um vídeo making of que ele pegou no site da Playboy, rodando um Java num site que ele está navegando, etc... Novamente, são minhas opiniões. Não entendo muito bem de Winmodem, só nunca vi nenhum usuário padrão reclamar dele. O usuário padrão não sabe que o problema dele é esse. O cara compra um micro todo montado, tudo on-board, não sabe nem como usar um disquete... for win, a qualidade do hardware é relativa ao seu valor. Seu eu tivesse condições equiparia toda minha máquina com Hardwares SCSI e uma placa Adaptec 160MB/s, mas ... :-) No final das contas é isso que eu quis dizer! :) Concordo! Concordamos todos. :)
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
At 13:18 2/8/2001 -0300, Pablo Lorenzzoni wrote: Em Qui 02 Ago 2001 00:27, Linuxperience escreveu: | Trabalho em um provedor. 90% do suporte é graças a esse lixo | inventado pela humanidade: winmodem, softmodem, chamem do que | quiser. São de usuários Linux ou usuários Windows? Se for de Linux, realmente não há drivers para isso, e dependemos de esforço de voluntários como Jan Stifter e o pessoal do Linmodem.org. Se for de Windows, não sabia que a estatística era tão ruim. Para mim o driver de Windows funcionava bem e era fácil de instalar. Isso mesmo! E essa historia de ocuparem um pouquinho do processamento eh a maior besteira que eu jah ouvi. Eles lentificam qq maquina uma barbaridade!!! Pense bem: fazer todo o DSP num processador CISC O problema nem eh fazer o processamento, eh ocupar um processador que naum foi projetado para DSP para fazer justamente isso! O que eu estava querendo dizer é que para um usuário normal o Winmodem funciona direito. Eu nunca vi ninguém além dos usuários de Linux reclamarem deles. Imagine um AMD Duron 750Mhz com 64MB RAM (que é a máquina mais básica no momento) tendo que processar somente o Windows, o Office, Internet Explorer, etc. Não sou entendido de Sistemas Operacionais ou mesmo de Hardware para afirmar, mas eu acho que dá pra encaixar o processamento do tal do DSP aí no meio, será que não? Novamente, são minhas opiniões. Não entendo muito bem de Winmodem, só nunca vi nenhum usuário padrão reclamar dele. Last but not least, Gleydson Mazioli da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Você poderia ter um desempenho mais satisfatório de sua máquina sem os componentes for win, a qualidade do hardware é relativa ao seu valor. Seu eu tivesse condições equiparia toda minha máquina com Hardwares SCSI e uma placa Adaptec 160MB/s, mas ... :-) No final das contas é isso que eu quis dizer! :) Concordo! Abraços, - Vítor __ Vítor Estêvão Silva Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
Olah! Em Qui 02 Ago 2001 00:27, Linuxperience escreveu: | Quanto a questão dos SoftModems (gostei do termo), não é | uma idéia tão ruim. A maioria dos usuários não utiliza todo o | processamento que sua máquinha lhe oferece. Daí você usa um pouco | desse processamento para o modem e o usuário deixa de pagar | R$150,00 num HardModem. O problema MESMO é que só fizeram os | drivers para Windows. Mas assim que o Linux estiver dominando uma | fatia maior do mercado Desktop, as coisas vão mudar. Até | interface gráfica de instalação o driver do modem vai ter! ;) | | Olá, | | permita-me discordar... :) | | Trabalho em um provedor. 90% do suporte é graças a esse lixo | inventado pela humanidade: winmodem, softmodem, chamem do que | quiser. | | Não passam disso: lixo. Isso mesmo! E essa historia de ocuparem um pouquinho do processamento eh a maior besteira que eu jah ouvi. Eles lentificam qq maquina uma barbaridade!!! Pense bem: fazer todo o DSP num processador CISC O problema nem eh fazer o processamento, eh ocupar um processador que naum foi projetado para DSP para fazer justamente isso! A ferramenta certa para o trabalho certo. Na minha opiniao todos os Softmodems ou winmodems ou o que quiserem poderiam ir para o espaco. Alias, deveriamos dar outro nome para eles, jah que nem modems eles saum (modem = MOdulador/DEModulador. Como fazer isso sem um DSP??). []s Pablo (o indignado) P.S.: DSP= Digital Sign Processing/or -- Pablo Lorenzzoni (Spectra) [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG PubKey at search.keyserver.net (Key ID: 268A084D) Webpage: http://people.debian.org/~spectra/
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
Vitor Silva Souza wrote: At 00:01 1/8/2001 -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Em Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:37:57 -0300 Ponha a culpa em quem merece. Os fabricantes que não escrevem os drivers nem liberam a documentação necessária para escrevê-los. e linmodem é uma brincadeira... linmodem, na verdade são os winmodens hehehe... aliás... softmodems (como eles deveriam ser realmente chamados) não prestam pra nada! =( Não é tão ruim assim! A questão Hardware x Software é antiga, e abrange todos os tipos de dispositivo: o que eu faço em hardware e o que eu faço em software? Por um lado, o hardware é muito mais rápido e libera o seu computador de ficar fazendo mais uma tarefa. Por outro, o software é mais barato e pode ser atualizado sem ter que obrigar o usuário a comprar outro equipamento. Quanto a questão dos SoftModems (gostei do termo), não é uma idéia tão ruim. A idéia não mas o resultado global da implementação sim. Tente colocar um Winmodem em um 286/386 e me diz se funciona... A cpu não a nem pro cheiro. Os próprios requerimentos de modems 56kb são de no mínimo um pentium 166 para que o driver tenha condições de funcionar na potência máxima, enquanto um USR 56K ISA funciona com folga em um XT 8Mhz com barramento ISA de 8 bits. Você poderia ter um desempenho mais satisfatório de sua máquina sem os componentes for win, a qualidade do hardware é relativa ao seu valor. Seu eu tivesse condições equiparia toda minha máquina com Hardwares SCSI e uma placa Adaptec 160MB/s, mas ... :-) --- Gleydson Mazioli da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Depois que você acostuma a usar Linux você: - Comandos como mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy passam a ser mais faceis do que A:
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
On Thu, 02 Aug 2001, Gleydson Mazioli da Silva wrote: um USR 56K ISA funciona com folga em um XT 8Mhz com barramento ISA de 8 bits. O USR 56K tem muito mais CPU (sob a forma dum DSP + um microcontrolador, provavelmente) que o XT :P Heh, meu velho USR Sportster 14k4 (ainda na luta, depois de 5 anos de uso -- hardware bom é assim mesmo. Tenta isso com uma daquelas @#%$$#% plaquitas que os softmodem usam conectadas às placas mãe, nenhuma das que eu tive a infelicidade de usar durou mais de 1 mês) tem um 80x186 e um DSP fraquinho. for win, a qualidade do hardware é relativa ao seu valor. Seu eu tivesse condições equiparia toda minha máquina com Hardwares SCSI e uma placa Adaptec 160MB/s, mas ... :-) Nem fale. Passei a semana instalando Debian (stable e testing) em 3 servidores Netfinity 3500. Depois de ver o Debian rodando (o potato instala do CD sem nenhum problema, e roda melhor ainda num kernel com os patches da adaptec, intel e100, LVM e kiobuf :P) naquilo, eu vou dar um jeito de comprar hardware parecido pra mim. Nem que custe 5 meses de trabalho :P Compre os HD SCSI de qualidade, uma Adaptec das boas, uma placa mãe que preste, e usa RAID+LVM pra fazer stripping... Você não vai se arrepender. Mas eu bem que queria saber porque a IBM põe placas de vídeo tão boas nos servidores deles (uma S3 Savage)... talvez pros coitados que rodam NT nelas poderem rodar screen-saver 3D e ver os GPF mais rápido? As que rodam Debian não precisam nem de monitor :P -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh pgpplazTDhUhv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
At 00:01 1/8/2001 -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Em Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:37:57 -0300 Ponha a culpa em quem merece. Os fabricantes que não escrevem os drivers nem liberam a documentação necessária para escrevê-los. e linmodem é uma brincadeira... linmodem, na verdade são os winmodens hehehe... aliás... softmodems (como eles deveriam ser realmente chamados) não prestam pra nada! =( Não é tão ruim assim! A questão Hardware x Software é antiga, e abrange todos os tipos de dispositivo: o que eu faço em hardware e o que eu faço em software? Por um lado, o hardware é muito mais rápido e libera o seu computador de ficar fazendo mais uma tarefa. Por outro, o software é mais barato e pode ser atualizado sem ter que obrigar o usuário a comprar outro equipamento. Quanto a questão dos SoftModems (gostei do termo), não é uma idéia tão ruim. A maioria dos usuários não utiliza todo o processamento que sua máquinha lhe oferece. Daí você usa um pouco desse processamento para o modem e o usuário deixa de pagar R$150,00 num HardModem. O problema MESMO é que só fizeram os drivers para Windows. Mas assim que o Linux estiver dominando uma fatia maior do mercado Desktop, as coisas vão mudar. Até interface gráfica de instalação o driver do modem vai ter! ;) Abraços, - Vítor __ Vítor Estêvão Silva Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
Quanto a questão dos SoftModems (gostei do termo), não é uma idéia tão ruim. A maioria dos usuários não utiliza todo o processamento que sua máquinha lhe oferece. Daí você usa um pouco desse processamento para o modem e o usuário deixa de pagar R$150,00 num HardModem. O problema MESMO é que só fizeram os drivers para Windows. Mas assim que o Linux estiver dominando uma fatia maior do mercado Desktop, as coisas vão mudar. Até interface gráfica de instalação o driver do modem vai ter! ;) Olá, permita-me discordar... :) Trabalho em um provedor. 90% do suporte é graças a esse lixo inventado pela humanidade: winmodem, softmodem, chamem do que quiser. Não passam disso: lixo. Abraços, Marcelo
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 12:03:27AM -0300, Vitor Silva Souza wrote: Pessoal, Depois de muitos problemas tentando instalar o PCTel PCI no Debian potato eu consegui e anotei tudo o que eu fiz para isso num mini-Howto, que segue anexo. Está em inglês porque mandei para a lista debian-user também, e não tive tempo ainda para traduzir. Qualquer dúvida me perguntem. Obrigado pela dica do fixscript, talvez isso tenha efeito. Estou tentando instalar um WinModem da C-Media (é HSP56 também) num cliente, mas está bem difícil. Escolhi o chipset próprio, como diz no Makefile para se fazer, caso seja necessário (no caso, o chipset é o CM8738), e compilei e instalei os módulos sem problemas. No 'dmesg' e demais logs, o modem padrão PCtel é detectado na ttyS15 também (IRQ 10, se não me engano). No entanto, na hora do vamos ver, com o minicom, mais especificamente, o modem não aceita discar. Caso alguém tenha sugestões... Baseado no ID da placa PCI (dado pelo 'lspci') e com a ajuda de uma página com informações de dispositivos PCI, fiquei sabendo que o nome (fantasia?) desse modem é C-Media HSP56 AudioModem Riser (ou algo do gênero). Falou, Carlos, que vai testar essas dicas na quarta -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ http://laviola.org Debian-BR Project (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| uin#: 981913 (icq) debian-br.sf.net Linux: the choice of a GNU generation - Registered Linux User #103594
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
- Original Message - From: Vitor Silva Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lista Debian Português debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3 Pessoal, Depois de muitos problemas tentando instalar o PCTel PCI no Debian potato eu consegui e anotei tudo o que eu fiz para isso num mini-Howto, que segue anexo. Está em inglês porque mandei para a lista debian-user também, e não tive tempo ainda para traduzir. Qualquer dúvida me perguntem. Abraços, - Vítor __ Vítor Estêvão Silva Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eu me interessei por Linux já há aproximadamente dois anos. Tenho algumas versões diferentes, mas a versão à qual mais me interessei foi a Debian, pelas razões que todos já conhecem. Estava com um problema que me impediu o uso do Linux como um todo, o acesso à internet. Como muitos usuários brasileiros, minha máquina possui uma placa-mãe da PCCHIPS, a mais barata do mercado por possuir hardware on-board. Já havia entrado em contado com a instalação do driver PCTel há algum tempo mas estava tendo problemas com ele. Estive olhando este mini-Howto e as informações contidas no link dele e acredito que irá funcionar. Parabéns pela iniciativa, tanto do Vítor, como a do jan stifter (http://www.medres.ch/~jstifter/linux/pctel.html). Bem, durante muito tempo fiquei pensando se o Linux era somente para alguns, aqueles que possuem um poder aquisito maior e podem possuir um modem que não seja on-board. Na minha opinião o Linux deve ser para todos, não um simples código-aberto, mas realmente um software que fosse para todos, substituindo de vez o rwindows. Mas para isto ele deve abranger e possuir drives para todas as plataformas, on-board ou não. Fiquei muito chateado uma vez, ao ler o site do linmodem e ver que a solução para o winmodem era a aquisição de um linmodem :( Desculpem-me o desabafo, mas acredito de que o Linux deve estar em todas as máquinas. Wellington Kister do Nascimento [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: Sorry jan, but i don´t wrote in english, only in portuguese ;)
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Wellington Kister do Nascimento wrote: seja on-board. Na minha opinião o Linux deve ser para todos, não um simples código-aberto, mas realmente um software que fosse para todos, substituindo de vez o rwindows. Mas para isto ele deve abranger e possuir drives para todas as plataformas, on-board ou não. Fiquei muito chateado uma vez, ao ler o site do linmodem e ver que a solução para o winmodem era a aquisição de um linmodem :( Ponha a culpa em quem merece. Os fabricantes que não escrevem os drivers nem liberam a documentação necessária para escrevê-los. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh
Re: Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
Em Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:37:57 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Wellington Kister do Nascimento wrote: seja on-board. Na minha opinião o Linux deve ser para todos, não um simples código-aberto, mas realmente um software que fosse para todos, substituindo de vez o rwindows. Mas para isto ele deve abranger e possuir drives para todas as plataformas, on-board ou não. Fiquei muito chateado uma vez, ao ler o site do linmodem e ver que a solução para o winmodem era a aquisição de um linmodem :( Ponha a culpa em quem merece. Os fabricantes que não escrevem os drivers nem liberam a documentação necessária para escrevê-los. e linmodem é uma brincadeira... linmodem, na verdade são os winmodens hehehe... aliás... softmodems (como eles deveriam ser realmente chamados) não prestam pra nada! =( []s! -- Gustavo Noronha Silva - kov http://www.metainfo.org/kov ** | .''`. | Debian GNU/Linux: http://www.debian.org| | : :' : | Debian BR...: http://debian-br.sourceforge.net | | `. `'` | Be Happy! Be FREE! | | `-| Think globally, act locally! | **
Modem PCTel PCI no Debian 2.2r3
Pessoal, Depois de muitos problemas tentando instalar o PCTel PCI no Debian potato eu consegui e anotei tudo o que eu fiz para isso num mini-Howto, que segue anexo. Está em inglês porque mandei para a lista debian-user também, e não tive tempo ainda para traduzir. Qualquer dúvida me perguntem. Abraços, - Vítor == PCTel HSP56 Micromodem PCI at Debian 2.2r3 (potato) Mini-HOWTO 0.1 == 1 - Introduction 1.1 - Purpose The purpose of this document is to be a guide to anyone who is having problems installing a HSP56 PCI Micromodem from PCTel on a Debian 2.2r3 (potato) system. In the folowing paragraphs I will try to describe how I installed this modem (which is becoming popular on the latest computer models) on my Debian system (a very popular Linux distro). I did not try other distributions of Linux or other kinds of Winmodems. For more information on Winmodems/Linmodems and the installation of their drivers, please consult: - Linmodems.org - Rob Clark's site: http://www.kcdata.com/~gromitkc/winmodem.html - The Linux Documentation Project: http://www.linuxdoc.org - Jan Stifter's Homepage: http://www.medres.ch/~jstifter/linux/pctel.html These links have been very helpful to me. Last but not least, please excuse my english. I'm not a native speaker. I wrote this in english so it could reach more users, but if you think portuguese is easier for you to understand, please contact me. I'll be glad to write to you in my native language. 1.2 - Warning Use this document as a guide only, adapting the instructions in it to your case. This is not a final solution, and things can go wrong! The author does not guarantee the instructions below won't damage your system in any ways and will not be held responsible for any harm caused by the use of this document. In other words: use this guide at your own risk. I am not a Linux expert. This document tells you my experience by describing exactly what I did. This has worked on a i686 system (AMD Athlon) with Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r3 (potato) installed, and a PCTel HSP56 Micromodem PCI (not onboard). I don't know if it works in any other plataforms or kinds of modem so, if you try it and it works, please let me know. 1.3 - The author If you want to contact me, please use my email: Vítor Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feel free to send me a message if you have any questions or suggestions for this Mini-Howto. 2 - Before you begin Before you begin, please be sure to have the following: - The CD Set for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r3 (potato) binaries (at least CDs 1 and 2 of the 3-CDs Set). - Access to the internet on another machine or system. - Some hard disk space (can't precise how much). 3 - The installation procedure == The installation procedure consists on: - Getting the driver from the Internet; - Installing and preparing the kernel source; - Compiling and fixing the driver; - Connecting to the Internet. I did all the steps above as root, so I won't describe which steps requires root access and which ones don't. If you don't want to do all the instructions as root, try to do them as a normal user and su as root for the instructions that tell you Permission denied. I'm just not that cautious about running my system as root when I'm installing things. My opinion is that as long as you don't play games or access the Internet as root, you'll be OK. 3.1 - Getting the driver from the Internet The drivers that worked for me were on Jan Stifter's Homepage, at http://www.medres.ch/~jstifter/linux/pctel.html. The name of the archive is pctel-2.2.tar.gz, and it should still be there. Download it and copy to any directory to which you have access to when logged in Linux. Also, you'll need a little script called 'fixscript'. You can find the latest version of it reading the Linmodem-Howto (look for it a the Linux Documentation Project). At the end of this document there is a version that worked for me, and you can use that also. $ cd /directory/where/files/were/downloaded/to First of all, access the directory where you copied both of the files (the drivers and fixscript). $ cp pctel-2.2.tar.gz /usr/src $ cp fixscript /usr/src Copy both of them to the /usr/src directory. That directory should exist on your Debian distro. $ cd /usr/src $ tar -zxvf pctel-2.2.tar.gz Change directory to /usr/src, unzip (de-compact) and untar (de-archive) the driver files. This will create the directory pctel-2.2. You can erase pctel-2.2.tar.gz if you want. 3.2 - Installing and preparing
Re: PCTel Modem vs. Debian 2.2r3
At 19:39 25/7/2001 -0300, Vitor Silva Souza wrote: For the last couple of weeks I've been unsuccessfully trying to connect to the Internet on my Debian 2.2r3 (potato) distribution, running kernel 2.2.19pre17, using a PCTel modem. Hello again, After a while I did manage to use my PCTel PCI modem on my Debian system. If anyone is having the same problem as I am, please read my mini-Howto on installing PCTel PCI modem on Debian 2.2r3 (potato) attached. If you know someone who's having problem, this document tells exactly what I did and it might help. Peace, - Vítor == PCTel HSP56 Micromodem PCI at Debian 2.2r3 (potato) Mini-HOWTO 0.1 == 1 - Introduction 1.1 - Purpose The purpose of this document is to be a guide to anyone who is having problems installing a HSP56 PCI Micromodem from PCTel on a Debian 2.2r3 (potato) system. In the folowing paragraphs I will try to describe how I installed this modem (which is becoming popular on the latest computer models) on my Debian system (a very popular Linux distro). I did not try other distributions of Linux or other kinds of Winmodems. For more information on Winmodems/Linmodems and the installation of their drivers, please consult: - Linmodems.org - Rob Clark's site: http://www.kcdata.com/~gromitkc/winmodem.html - The Linux Documentation Project: http://www.linuxdoc.org - Jan Stifter's Homepage: http://www.medres.ch/~jstifter/linux/pctel.html These links have been very helpful to me. Last but not least, please excuse my english. I'm not a native speaker. I wrote this in english so it could reach more users, but if you think portuguese is easier for you to understand, please contact me. I'll be glad to write to you in my native language. 1.2 - Warning Use this document as a guide only, adapting the instructions in it to your case. This is not a final solution, and things can go wrong! The author does not guarantee the instructions below won't damage your system in any ways and will not be held responsible for any harm caused by the use of this document. In other words: use this guide at your own risk. I am not a Linux expert. This document tells you my experience by describing exactly what I did. This has worked on a i686 system (AMD Athlon) with Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r3 (potato) installed, and a PCTel HSP56 Micromodem PCI (not onboard). I don't know if it works in any other plataforms or kinds of modem so, if you try it and it works, please let me know. 1.3 - The author If you want to contact me, please use my email: Vítor Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feel free to send me a message if you have any questions or suggestions for this Mini-Howto. 2 - Before you begin Before you begin, please be sure to have the following: - The CD Set for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r3 (potato) binaries (at least CDs 1 and 2 of the 3-CDs Set). - Access to the internet on another machine or system. - Some hard disk space (can't precise how much). 3 - The installation procedure == The installation procedure consists on: - Getting the driver from the Internet; - Installing and preparing the kernel source; - Compiling and fixing the driver; - Connecting to the Internet. I did all the steps above as root, so I won't describe which steps requires root access and which ones don't. If you don't want to do all the instructions as root, try to do them as a normal user and su as root for the instructions that tell you Permission denied. I'm just not that cautious about running my system as root when I'm installing things. My opinion is that as long as you don't play games or access the Internet as root, you'll be OK. 3.1 - Getting the driver from the Internet The drivers that worked for me were on Jan Stifter's Homepage, at http://www.medres.ch/~jstifter/linux/pctel.html. The name of the archive is pctel-2.2.tar.gz, and it should still be there. Download it and copy to any directory to which you have access to when logged in Linux. Also, you'll need a little script called 'fixscript'. You can find the latest version of it reading the Linmodem-Howto (look for it a the Linux Documentation Project). At the end of this document there is a version that worked for me, and you can use that also. $ cd /directory/where/files/were/downloaded/to First of all, access the directory where you copied both of the files (the drivers and fixscript). $ cp pctel-2.2.tar.gz /usr/src $ cp fixscript /usr/src Copy both of them to the /usr/src directory. That directory should exist on your Debian distro
Re: Problems loading the hisax isdn driver on Debian 2.2r3
On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Helen McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I then rebooted 2.2.19pre17 on the machine with the ISA card properly configured under 2.2.17, and got a kernel crash: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 81009f8c And other such paging errors bringing the kernel tracing into play. There seems to be something inherantly broken about the kernel-image-2.2.19pre17 and kernel-image-2.2.19 on Debian 2.2r3 I can't comment on the kernel-image-* packages as I've never used kernel images for anything but the basic install. I have been succesfully running various kernel releases from 2.2.9 through 2.2.19 with my ISDN card (switched to DSL now, but it's still working), all built from kernel-source-* debs. ISDN support was flaky very early in the 2.2.x cycle, but that's not a Debian issue. Can't help with the certificate, although I'm getting the same message with kernel 2.2.19 and an Elsa card. I believe that this is a legal issue, though, and that it won't affect the driver's functionality. I think this is again something to do with the broken nature of the kernel in Debian 2.2r3. I have got the Debian source for 2.2.19, and also the source from the kernel project, and I will compare them next week if I can find the time to compare and compile both sources. This has been the first time in many years of using Debian that I have found a fundamental instability in a stable release. I recommend building 2.2.19 from a kernel-source-* deb, that works fine for me. [...] For the time being I have got the ISDN firewall router running properly on kernel 2.2.17 which I know from past experience is a very stable kernel. I am also quickly changing the default kernel on this workstation to use 2.2.17 until I can figure out what is wrong with 2.2.19 and 2.2.19pre17. Now of course I am going to have to learn how to submit a Debian bug report, because this is the first time I have needed to, and I have been using Debian since version 1 (I was using Slackware before that). It's straightforward, just see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ and follow the instructions. I might try 2.4.7 on the workstation, and leave 2.2.17 on the firewall router. I don't want 2.4.x on the firewall because I have a good set of ipchains definitions for that machine, and I don't want to mess around converting it all to iptables until I have some free time to learn the new system. The late 2.2.x kernels have been very stable for me. I'd recommend sticking with that and give 2.4.x some more time. -- Philipp Lehman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems loading the hisax isdn driver on Debian 2.2r3
Hello,
I am having problems loading the HiSax driver in a couple of installations
of Debian potato 2.2r3 using the kernel 2.2.19pre17 which comes as the
default on that release.
Kernel = Linux version 2.2.19pre17 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3)
#1 Tue Mar 13 22:37:59 EST 2001
I have tried loading the hisax module on two different Eicon Diva 2.01
ISDN cards. One of these is the ISA version which has been properly set up
by the isapnputils and gives the following reply on isapnp:
Board 1 has Identity ba 00 01 ce 06 a1 00 89 1c:
GDI00a1 Serial No 118278 [checksum ba]
GDI00a1/118278[0]{EICON DIVA 2.01 S/T ISA}:
Port 0x200; IRQ10 --- Enabled OK
The /etc/modules.conf has the following definition for the ISA card:
### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/hisax
options hisax io=0x200 irq=10
### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/hisax
The other is a PCI version of the same card which gives the following
reply on lspci:
00:0a.0 Network controller: Eicon Technology Corporation:
Unknown device e005 (rev 01)
However when I load the hisax driver I get the following message on dmesg:
HiSax: Linux Driver for passive ISDN cards
HiSax: Version 3.5 (module)
HiSax: Layer1 Revision 2.41.6.1
HiSax: Layer2 Revision 2.25
HiSax: TeiMgr Revision 2.17
HiSax: Layer3 Revision 2.17.6.1
HiSax: LinkLayer Revision 2.51
HiSax: Approval certification failed because of
HiSax: unauthorized source code changes
This is the same on both cards. There is no registering of a card as shown
in the hisax documentation in the kernel source. The hisax driver is
loaded, and remains loaded in the kernel as shown by the lsmod output:
hisax 425376 0 (unused)
isdn 107704 0 [hisax]
slhc4376 0 [isdn]
This suggests that HiSax has not dropped out due to the source code
changes in the Debian version of the driver.
Can anyone tell me what is going wrong here, and how I can fix it?
Many thanks in anticipation,
Helen McCall
---
Re: Problems loading the hisax isdn driver on Debian 2.2r3
On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Helen McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am having problems loading the HiSax driver in a couple of installations
of Debian potato 2.2r3 using the kernel 2.2.19pre17 which comes as the
default on that release.
Kernel = Linux version 2.2.19pre17 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3)
#1 Tue Mar 13 22:37:59 EST 2001
I have tried loading the hisax module on two different Eicon Diva 2.01
ISDN cards. One of these is the ISA version which has been properly set up
by the isapnputils and gives the following reply on isapnp:
Board 1 has Identity ba 00 01 ce 06 a1 00 89 1c:
GDI00a1 Serial No 118278 [checksum ba]
GDI00a1/118278[0]{EICON DIVA 2.01 S/T ISA}:
Port 0x200; IRQ10 --- Enabled OK
The /etc/modules.conf has the following definition for the ISA card:
### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/hisax
options hisax io=0x200 irq=10
### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/hisax
Doesn't the hisax driver need a 'type' and a 'protocol' statement?
That would mean
options hisax type=11 protocol=2 io=0x200 irq=10
for the ISA card and
options hisax type=11 protocol=2
for the PCI version, assuming Euro ISDN as the protocol (not sure if
this actually applies to the UK).
See /usr/src/linux/Documentation/isdn/README.eicon for details.
[...]
Can't help with the certificate, although I'm getting the same message
with kernel 2.2.19 and an Elsa card. I believe that this is a legal
issue, though, and that it won't affect the driver's functionality.
--
Philipp Lehman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems loading the hisax isdn driver on Debian 2.2r3
Hello Philipp, On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Philipp Lehman wrote: Doesn't the hisax driver need a 'type' and a 'protocol' statement? That would mean options hisax type=11 protocol=2 io=0x200 irq=10 for the ISA card and options hisax type=11 protocol=2 for the PCI version, assuming Euro ISDN as the protocol (not sure if this actually applies to the UK). See /usr/src/linux/Documentation/isdn/README.eicon for details. Yes! I knew these cards did work. So I went back to a 2.2.17 kernel to see what was happening. They both gave a correct response on 2.2.17, and showed that no card was registered because I had omitted the type=11. The protocol=2 is unnecessary because EURO is the default. With these on a 2.2.17 kernel they worked. I then rebooted 2.2.19pre17 on the machine with the ISA card properly configured under 2.2.17, and got a kernel crash: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 81009f8c And other such paging errors bringing the kernel tracing into play. There seems to be something inherantly broken about the kernel-image-2.2.19pre17 and kernel-image-2.2.19 on Debian 2.2r3 Another thing I have found is that installing these kernels using apt-get from the 2.2r3 CDs gives a kernel booting with an error stated by ps as being a kernel map file which does not match the kernel. this is probably the cause of the paging errors found on trying to boot with the hisax driver loading. The hisax driver did indeed load properly according to the boot messages, but then I got the paging errors. Can't help with the certificate, although I'm getting the same message with kernel 2.2.19 and an Elsa card. I believe that this is a legal issue, though, and that it won't affect the driver's functionality. I think this is again something to do with the broken nature of the kernel in Debian 2.2r3. I have got the Debian source for 2.2.19, and also the source from the kernel project, and I will compare them next week if I can find the time to compare and compile both sources. This has been the first time in many years of using Debian that I have found a fundamental instability in a stable release. I suspect something has been corrupted in the that kernel package. For the time being I have got the ISDN firewall router running properly on kernel 2.2.17 which I know from past experience is a very stable kernel. I am also quickly changing the default kernel on this workstation to use 2.2.17 until I can figure out what is wrong with 2.2.19 and 2.2.19pre17. Now of course I am going to have to learn how to submit a Debian bug report, because this is the first time I have needed to, and I have been using Debian since version 1 (I was using Slackware before that). It has not shaken my confidence in Debian because I have been using Debian intensively for all these years on various machines for all sorts of purposes, and this is the first real problem I have had (apart from a minor y2k bug I found in one machine running Debian 2.0 Hamm over the year 2000 turn - which was too minor to count - especially as it fixed itself after a reboot). Debian can be proud of the fact that this is the first real problem I have ever had with a Debian release. I might try 2.4.7 on the workstation, and leave 2.2.17 on the firewall router. I don't want 2.4.x on the firewall because I have a good set of ipchains definitions for that machine, and I don't want to mess around converting it all to iptables until I have some free time to learn the new system. Many thanks, Helen McCall ---
PCTel Modem vs. Debian 2.2r3
Hello users (and hopefully developers) of Debian, For the last couple of weeks I've been unsuccessfully trying to connect to the Internet on my Debian 2.2r3 (potato) distribution, running kernel 2.2.19pre17, using a PCTel modem. For those who don't have the time to read big messages, I'll go straight to the point: 1) If anyone managed to connect a PCTel HSP56 PCI Micromodem to the Internet on a Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r3, please write a mini-HOWTO. I'm not the only one struggling with this. 2) Developers: I think what happens is that pppd sets off a kernel bug when trying to connect to an ISP (I was told that from /var/log/messages analysis). I don't know if it's the kernel's fault, or if it's PCTel module's fault (it is a 2.2.18 precompiled module), but I thought I should say this so you guys would decide if it's something worth taking a deeper look. Sending this message is my last act of hope. I'm already considering buying a real modem, something I should have done since the very beginning. Things I've already tried: - PCTel's module (link available from Rob Clark's site and Linmodems.org) - Jan Stifter's module (http://www.medres.ch/~jstifter/linux/pctel.html) - Configuring with pppconfig and calling pon/poff. - Installing ppp and wvdial package and using wvdial. - Sean Walbran Marvin Stodolsky's Linmodem-HOWTO - Searching the web (found many mailing list archives about this) - etc (don't remember right now)... I read that PCTel used to work on Debian 2.1, but doesn't on 2.2. Some user updated his Debian distro and pppd started crashing. If anyone knows *exactly* what to do, or want to exchange ideas, please email me. Thanks, __ Vítor Estêvão Silva Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A7V133 motherboard with debian 2.2r3
Hello, I have an ASUS A7V133 motherboard. I've been using Redhat 7.1 for a few months and now I am already pissed off with RPM. (First I was pissed off with the RPM system, and now I am pissed off, because the rpm program itself is causing segmentation faults. And now if I try to re-install rpm, I get some depency problems.) Anyways, it's a mess and to keep the long story short, I'm switching to Debian. I had some trouble with my ASUS A7V133 motherboard. The VIA on-board controller (vt82c686b) never worked, even with the most recent kernel (2.4.6). I got the on-board promise controller to work though (PDC20265). It works with kernel 2.4.2-2 and up. But what about the older kernels? I just ordered Debian potato 2.2r3 in the mail, and I just realized that it only has 2.2.19? or something like that, which came out on March 26th, and the 2.4.2 came out on February 21st, and I guess the redhat 2.4.2-2 version came out a little after? Anyways, I'm getting Debian in the mail in a few days, and I'm a little impatient. I want to know from experience if people have been able to get Debian potato 2.2r3 to work out-of-the-box with their on-board Promise chip on the A7V133. I want to read up about any tricks I might have to do in order to get my Debian to work. Oh by the way, I popped in an old Corel Linux CD as well as an old Stormix 2000 CD, which are debian-based and use a slightly older 2.4.2 kernel. I couldn't get them to even see the hard drive during install. It said I had to valid devices to install to. There must be a specific point in the kernel lifetime where this was fixed. Either that, or the bug is still around. cc: to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, D. Grant
RE: A7V133 motherboard with debian 2.2r3
I am running V2.2r3 on an A7V133 with no problem. I am currently running my disks on the regular IDE controller, but did play with them on the Promise controller for a bit before I decided to move them back (for non-technical reasons). The disk drives were an IBM 30GB and a nondescript 1GB that I use for swap. If your experience is like mine the installation will go smoothly. I have been told, but have not investigated it myself, that you have to muck with a kernel compile to turn on ATA-100 capability. I am not up on all that stuff so will let someone else respond on that subject. -rick -Original Message- From: David Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 10:57 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A7V133 motherboard with debian 2.2r3 Hello, I have an ASUS A7V133 motherboard. I've been using Redhat 7.1 for a few months and now I am already pissed off with RPM. (First I was pissed off with the RPM system, and now I am pissed off, because the rpm program itself is causing segmentation faults. And now if I try to re-install rpm, I get some depency problems.) Anyways, it's a mess and to keep the long story short, I'm switching to Debian. I had some trouble with my ASUS A7V133 motherboard. The VIA on-board controller (vt82c686b) never worked, even with the most recent kernel (2.4.6). I got the on-board promise controller to work though (PDC20265). It works with kernel 2.4.2-2 and up. But what about the older kernels? I just ordered Debian potato 2.2r3 in the mail, and I just realized that it only has 2.2.19? or something like that, which came out on March 26th, and the 2.4.2 came out on February 21st, and I guess the redhat 2.4.2-2 version came out a little after? Anyways, I'm getting Debian in the mail in a few days, and I'm a little impatient. I want to know from experience if people have been able to get Debian potato 2.2r3 to work out-of-the-box with their on-board Promise chip on the A7V133. I want to read up about any tricks I might have to do in order to get my Debian to work. Oh by the way, I popped in an old Corel Linux CD as well as an old Stormix 2000 CD, which are debian-based and use a slightly older 2.4.2 kernel. I couldn't get them to even see the hard drive during install. It said I had to valid devices to install to. There must be a specific point in the kernel lifetime where this was fixed. Either that, or the bug is still around. cc: to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, D. Grant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unzip in Debian 2.2r3 ??
infernal == infernal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: infernal I coudn't find the Unzip utility in my potato.. but the infernal zip. where in debian.org can I find it ? I can't Unzip and zip are packaged separately for historical reasons. You can find them in the non-US section of the archives. -- G. ``Iggy'' Geens - ICQ: #64109250 Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://users.pandora.be/guy.geens/ `I want quality, not quantity. But I want lots of it!'
Unzip in Debian 2.2r3 ??
I coudn't find the Unzip utility in my potato.. but the zip. where in debian.org can I find it ? I can't edward
Re: Unzip in Debian 2.2r3 ??
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 08:27:08PM -0400, Infernal wrote: I coudn't find the Unzip utility in my potato.. but the zip. where in debian.org can I find it ? I can't You can search for packages and files at - http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages $ apt-cache search unzip might net you the info also. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of The Panther - R. M. Rilke
Using raidtools under debian 2.2r3 2.2.19pre17
Doing cat on /proc/mdstat only 4 meta devices show up. Trying to use more results in error. In /dev I see that 16 meta devices were created. How can I use more than 4 devices in raid configuaration ? cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [2 raid0] [3 raid1] read_ahead 128 sectors md0 : active raid0 sda5 sdc5 4000120 blocks 4k chunks md1 : active raid0 sdb5 sdd5 4000120 blocks 4k chunks md2 : active raid1 md0 md1 400 blocks [2/2] [UU] md3 : inactive sda6 sdc6 4000122 blocks Thanks for you help Gunnar Gunnarsson
Debian 2.2r3, kernel 2.4.5 and XF403???
Hello. I'm about to upgrade my X from 3.3.6-11potato to 4.03 by way of the debs at http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha and using apt-get. I've done the apt-get upgrade and started the apt-get dist-upgrade and became somewhat queasy when the list of packages to remove came up (below). I would hate to destroy a perfectly good running X. topdog2:/etc/X11# apt-get dist-upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: blt-dev gdk-imlib-dev libforms0.88 libgtk1.2-dev olvwm task-gnome-apps task-gnome-desktop task-gnome-games task-gnome-net task-tcltk-dev task-x-window-system task-x-window-system-core tk8.2-dev tktable-dev xbase-clients xdm xf86setup xfmail xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-cjk xfonts-cyrillic xfonts-scalable xlib6g-dev xpm4g xviewg-dev The following NEW packages will be installed: libxaw6 libxaw7 xlibs The following packages have been kept back xfs xserver-common xterm 7 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 27 to remove and 3 not upgraded. Need to get 5978kB of archives. After unpacking 29.1MB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. How much of the above X stuff will be replaced by new X and what about gnome being removed? Will I have to now recompile gnome for the new X 4.03? Will I be able to re-install the programs listed above that are not provided by the X packages, like xfmail for instance? Any other info would be appreciated. thanks, tony mollica [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shoud i Debian 2.2r3?!?
Na parte release-notes na página da Debian ou nos arquivos ftp da distribuição. Nitrogen wrote: Pessoal, Onde posso achar especificações sobre a atualização do Debian 2.2r2 para 2.2r3? Já tenho o source.list apontado para umTP americano, mas não sei como proseguir para a atualização. Além disso, vale a pena? Abraços Leonardo Custodio [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Gleydson Mazioli da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Depois que você acostuma a usar Linux você: - No Netscape (for Linux, óbvio) voce configura seu proprio servidor de SMTP ao inves do provedor.
Shoud i Debian 2.2r3?!?
Pessoal, Onde posso achar especificações sobre a atualização do Debian 2.2r2 para 2.2r3? Já tenho o source.list apontado para umTP americano, mas não sei como proseguir para a atualização. Além disso, vale a pena? Abraços Leonardo Custodio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RES: Shoud i Debian 2.2r3?!?
Se o seu sources.list já está correto, basta digitar: apt-get update apt-get upgrade Antes de prosseguir ele vai te informar quais pacotes serão atualizados. Sim, vale a pena. Esses releases de plataformas estáveis contém atualizações de segurança e algumas vezes, versões mais novas de um ou outro software (o que é raro). Provavelmente não serão muitos pacotes atualizados. Um abraço, André Leão Macedo -Mensagem original- De: Nitrogen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pessoal, Onde posso achar especificações sobre a atualização do Debian 2.2r2 para 2.2r3? Já tenho o source.list apontado para umTP americano, mas não sei como proseguir para a atualização. Além disso, vale a pena?
Samba 2.2.0 and Debian 2.2r3
Hi all.. Unstable has Samba 2.2.0 but it requires a newer version of libc than is supplied with 2.2r3. I'm a bit anxious about upgrading lib6 so I got the sources and compiled Samba under 2.2r3. It compiled fine. Anyone know of any issues to be aware of? I really need the new Samba in an attempt at ditching a few NT Servers! Thanks in advance
Re: Samba 2.2.0 and Debian 2.2r3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said... Hi all.. Unstable has Samba 2.2.0 but it requires a newer version of libc than is supplied with 2.2r3. I'm a bit anxious about upgrading lib6 so I got the sources and compiled Samba under 2.2r3. It compiled fine. Anyone know of any issues to be aware of? Yes: It's almost too damn new. Unless you need the capabilities Samba 2.2.x has over Samba 2.0.9, you should be running Samba 2.0.9 until the 2.2.x tree has seen more testing (unless, of course, you've been testing it yourself for a while). Beyond that... it works great on the systems I have at home. The ability to change file permissions from the Windows GUI rocks :) I really need the new Samba in an attempt at ditching a few NT Servers! You'll thank yourself. One of the most problematic boxes at work is the WinNT file server... - -- - -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG fingerprint: 9BF9 D84C 37D0 4FA7 1F2D 7E5E FD94 D264 50DE 1CFC GPG key id: 50DE1CFC GPG public key: http://tux.creighton.edu/~pbrutsch/gpg-public-key.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6/GcO/ZTSZFDeHPwRAjJsAKCUcfRpmAsjcY/uMdAF616Opiub9gCfRw8r Urf0yh1uhogS549JmAE2MpI= =qcnm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: debian 2.2r3 geforce2mx / ATA100
Michael, I don't have Debian on my workstation in the office yet (currently only has win2000 on the first 10GB and FreeBSD 4.3-Stable on the next 10GB, and haven't gotten Debian on the last 10GB) however I do have XF86 4.0.3 working rather nicely on the Nvidia GeForce2MX 32MB card we order'd the system with... Didn't really do much special other than running xf86cfg, but would be willing to send you the configuration privately if you contact me Monday AM when I'm in the office as it's a pain to get into the machine from outside... Jeremy T. Bouse HANS-HENRIK FESTER was said to been seen saying: Hello, Has anyone succeeded in installing Debian on an ATA100 controller. Actually, it did install, but I can only boot with a floppy - because it won't install lilo - (as i have win2000 on the 10 first Gb). By the way, does anyone know how to install XFree86 4.0.2 that supports my geforce2mx. It always comes with errors when trying to run 'startx', even if it does install. Thank you Michael -- ,-, |Jeremy T. Bouse, CCNA - UnderGrid Network Services, LLC - www.UnderGrid.net | | Public PGP/GPG key available through http://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net| | If received unsigned (without requesting as such) DO NOT trust it! | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - NIC Whois: JB5713 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | `-' pgp60ujX4ltaa.pgp Description: PGP signature
debian 2.2r3 geforce2mx / ATA100
Hello, Has anyone succeeded in installing Debian on an ATA100 controller. Actually, it did install, but I can only boot with a floppy - because it won't install lilo - (as i have win2000 on the 10 first Gb). By the way, does anyone know how to install XFree86 4.0.2 that supports my geforce2mx. It always comes with errors when trying to run 'startx', even if it does install. Thank you Michael
Debian 2.2r3 - pure Potato
I've got a Potato system which has been regularly updated, but I've also flirted with things like Helix Gnome and installed a few other things from unstable over the last few months. I'd like to get back to the Potato purity and stability of 2.2r3 and have acquired cds to that end. If I do an apt-get dist-upgrade will it purge the odd packages and leave me with unsullied Potato, or would it be better to re-install to get that? Any wisdom on this would be much appreciated with thanks Glyn -- so here we are then http://members.tripod.co.uk/Christchurch2000uk Running Debian/Gnu Linux 9:10am up 12 min, 2 users, load average: 0.89, 0.69, 0.35
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 04:25:28PM -0500, Jorge Santos wrote: Unless of course you use vi... Ding! :) email: mutt news: nn editor: vim Mind you, you could ditch those three, and just use (X)Emacs with Gnus, you'd also get a ton more, when you start using Emacs, you I could... but then I like the interface. Esp nn's for news. Also I prefer to stick to 1 tool-1 use type of thing and then put things together. (this kind of modularity rocks my world :) Also, it means I can go to any box, install say mutt and vim and only wind up installing a few meg worth of stuff to get a familiar interface rather then: [14:56:40] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/root apt-get install gnus Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: emacs20 emacsen-common The following NEW packages will be installed: emacs20 emacsen-common gnus 0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/10.3MB of archives. After unpacking 31.5MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n :) (and yes, trying hard not to start a holy war :) just stating my preference and reasons for it. you go your own way :) -- CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *** Jenna has joined the channel. cat speaking of mental giants.. Jenna me, a giant, bullshit Jenna And i'm not mental - An IRC session, 20/12/2000
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:49:47PM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote: On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 12:21:07PM +1000, CaT wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 09:14:28PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: CaT writes: Is it [Gnus] text based... It's better than that. It's Emacs based. Ahhh. Not for me then. I find having to run emacs to read my mail overkill. Nah, it's not overkill. It's efficiency. :) Ha! :) Unless of course you use vi... Ding! :) email: mutt news: nn editor: vim :) -- CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *** Jenna has joined the channel. cat speaking of mental giants.. Jenna me, a giant, bullshit Jenna And i'm not mental - An IRC session, 20/12/2000
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 09:20:33AM -0500, Michael Marziani wrote: I have looked around for this but I can't find a list of bug fixes/improvements in 2.2.19. Anyone have a link? Thanks! http://www.linux.org.uk/VERSION/relnotes.2219.html pgpUlFykIY6zP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 05:05:25PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: Ethan Benson wrote: install the 2.2.19 version of pcmcia modules. i don't know the exact package name, i have no hardware with pcmcia. The only version in stable is pcmcia-modules-2.2.19pre17 and so I get the following Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: pcmcia-modules-2.2.19pre17: Depends: kernel-image-2.2.19pre17 (= 2.2.19pre17-1) but it is not installable Maybe the pcmcia-modules-2.2.19 will be out in a few days - seems it should have been released with the new kernel since I got the rest of the modules and the new USB stuff - yeah! Do I need to file a report or make a new thread for this issue? i remember seeing something about this on -devel a few days ago. i don't know if its going to be fixed or not. stable is frozen again so nothing may enter unless an r4 is created. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpo95nxPXyK6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 05:35:20AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 05:05:25PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: Ethan Benson wrote: install the 2.2.19 version of pcmcia modules. i don't know the exact package name, i have no hardware with pcmcia. The only version in stable is pcmcia-modules-2.2.19pre17 and so I get the following Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: pcmcia-modules-2.2.19pre17: Depends: kernel-image-2.2.19pre17 (= 2.2.19pre17-1) but it is not installable Maybe the pcmcia-modules-2.2.19 will be out in a few days - seems it should have been released with the new kernel since I got the rest of the modules and the new USB stuff - yeah! Do I need to file a report or make a new thread for this issue? i remember seeing something about this on -devel a few days ago. i don't know if its going to be fixed or not. stable is frozen again so nothing may enter unless an r4 is created. So then what's the recommended way for those of us with laptops running potato to upgrade to 2.2.19? The 2.2.18 pcmcia modules seem to be in the same state. Walt pgpIvOM5V3YUd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
Lo, on Thursday, April 19, Ethan Benson did write: On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:42:26PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19 If I do the last step, will my current kernel be left in place and be bootable if I have problems with the upgrade? yes, debian kernel versions are in seperate packages, thats why they are not upgraded automatically by apt. when you install kernel-image-2.2.19 (assuming there is no other 2.2.19 package/kernel installed) it will not touch any other kernel versions/ packages. snip Ok, then how about this: Some time ago, before the official Debian kernel-image-2.2.19 was available, I downloaded the 2.2.19 source from kernel.org and built my own kernel-image package the Debian way. Everything's been fine. What will happen if I do an `apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19'? Will it overwrite my current (running!) 2.2.19 kernel install? Do I need to uninstall my 2.2.19 custom build and go back to my 2.2.18 custom build before I upgrade? Or do I just need to reboot under the old kernel, then do the upgrade? Thanks, Richard
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
CaT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:49:47PM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote: On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 12:21:07PM +1000, CaT wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 09:14:28PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: CaT writes: Is it [Gnus] text based... It's better than that. It's Emacs based. Ahhh. Not for me then. I find having to run emacs to read my mail overkill. Nah, it's not overkill. It's efficiency. :) Ha! :) Unless of course you use vi... Ding! :) email: mutt news: nn editor: vim Mind you, you could ditch those three, and just use (X)Emacs with Gnus, you'd also get a ton more, when you start using Emacs, you seldom need to use anything else, specially if your trade is programming. jorge santos
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On 21 Apr 2001, Jorge Santos wrote: *snip* Mind you, you could ditch those three, and just use (X)Emacs with Gnus, you'd also get a ton more, when you start using Emacs, you seldom need to use anything else, specially if your trade is programming. Well, it's probably best not get too deeply into this or we'll end up with a holy war on our hands. Both (X)Emacs and Vim (and the other Vi clones) have their positives and negatives. However, I've found that trying to say one is better than the other is like trying to say that boxers are better than briefs. You just need to find something that makes you comfortable - and often that's whatever someone starts with. I made a concerted effort to start using Emacs a year ago, mostly b/c I wanted to use psgml for DocBook, but I just could not get into the key bindings - I always missed Vim. (Yes, I know that Emacs has a vi-compatibility mode, but it wasn't quite the same...frankly, I think Emacs has a compatibility mode for damn near everything...) Take care, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 43599611 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books... Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will. Boys ought to grow up remembering that. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington -- James Stewart
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Richard Cobbe wrote: snip Ok, then how about this: Some time ago, before the official Debian kernel-image-2.2.19 was available, I downloaded the 2.2.19 source from kernel.org and built my own kernel-image package the Debian way. Everything's been fine. in that case there is no need to install the debian 2.2.19. i should have said if you stay with debian kernels rather then build your own then you should install the debian 2.2.19. What will happen if I do an `apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19'? Will it overwrite my current (running!) 2.2.19 kernel install? Do I need to yes, so don't do it ;-) uninstall my 2.2.19 custom build and go back to my 2.2.18 custom build before I upgrade? Or do I just need to reboot under the old kernel, then do the upgrade? you don't need to upgrade. mainline 2.2.19 is fine and has all the security updates. in general debian does not patch thier kernels. and even when they do the changes are small, usually just applying some bugfix patch thats already out there, just not merged with the tree they are using. or more often archetecture specific patches that are not merged mainline. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpKrdJPNdNdq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 09:43:42AM -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote: So then what's the recommended way for those of us with laptops running potato to upgrade to 2.2.19? The 2.2.18 pcmcia modules seem to be in the same state. looks to me your options are: 1) install 2.2.19pre17 instead (if it still exists) 2) get the pcmcia-source package and build the modules yourself against 2.2.19 3) compile your own ftp.kernel.org 2.2.19 with pcmcia modules (this is probably same as option 2) 4) wait for the pcmcia modules package to get built, perhaps for several monthes. i think option 2 is your best bet. you will have to read the docs on that yourself though, i don't know anything about the pcmcia module building. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpCVP2HiQ4H5.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: debian 2.2r3 ?
I have looked around for this but I can't find a list of bug fixes/improvements in 2.2.19. Anyone have a link? Thanks! -Mike -Original Message- From: Eric Richardson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:42 PM To: Debian User Subject: Re: debian 2.2r3 ? Ethan Benson wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 08:01:32PM -0700, Rick Commo wrote: Ethan, As someone who is still a newbie in a lot of the Debian ways, I am curious. How is 2.2r3 different than doing apt-get update; apt-get upgrade on 2.2r2? thats exactly what you do. r3 just merges security fixes from security.debian.org into the real mainline dist. it also adds a couple fixed packages for severe bugs. upgrading from r0 or r1 or r2 to r3 is as simple as: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19 If I do the last step, will my current kernel be left in place and be bootable if I have problems with the upgrade? Thanks, Eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 01:22:16PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: I track unstable/sid and also routinely do apt-get upgrade with no apparent problems. Every once in a while, I'll answer 'no' to doing the upgrade and then do a apt-get -u dist-upgrade and will have the exact same packages to be updated. Other times it will want to update different ones. I must admit that I'm confused... is there much reason to do upgrade vs dist-upgrade. I get the idea I should start using the latter just about all the time. i don't see any point to using upgrade instead of dist-upgrade. But surelly upgrade has some use, I mean, there's probably some situation in which you would prefer to use upgrade in place of dist-upgrade, could someone please shed some light in this isue? jorge santos
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
CaT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:24:58AM +1000, Kevin Easton wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 09:13:44PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade don't you mean apt-get upgrade? It's not a full release of the distro but rather just an upgrade to a few packages. (also, from another perspective, how ARE you to recognise that we just went from r2 to r3 when the changes are merely merged to the potato tree...) Subscribe to debian-announce. I have. Looks like the announcement got lost in the 600 msgs I wake up to every morning. Need better colour coding. You, my friend, need Gnus, look at this: [ Gnus -- 7163 ] [ Debian -- 1758 ] *0: nnml:debian-announce *0: nnml:debian-news 1754: nnml:debian-user 4: nnml:debian-security [ PostgreSQL -- 3380 ] 288: nnml:pgsql-admin 2163: nnml:pgsql-general 929: nnml:pgsql-sql [ mail -- 21 ] 21: nnml:misc.misc [ misc -- 1943 ] 3: news.announce.newusers 326: news.groups.questions 1590: gnu.emacs.gnus 4: nndoc+gnus-help:gnus-help 20: nndraft:drafts [ XML -- 61 ] 61: nnml:xmlschema-dev This way you can divide your mail in groups as if they were newsgroups. jorge santos
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 01:22:16PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: I track unstable/sid and also routinely do apt-get upgrade with no apparent problems. Every once in a while, I'll answer 'no' to doing the upgrade and then do a apt-get -u dist-upgrade and will have the exact same packages to be updated. Other times it will want to update different ones. I must admit that I'm confused... is there much reason to do upgrade vs dist-upgrade. I get the idea I should start using the latter just about all the time. i don't see any point to using upgrade instead of dist-upgrade. But surelly upgrade has some use, I mean, there's probably some situation in which you would prefer to use upgrade in place of dist-upgrade, could someone please shed some light in this isue? I'm going back to using upgrade and not dist-upgrade. The way I see it now, dist-upgrade will update existing packages that I have installed, but it will also *add* new packages that are marked as required, recommended, etc by some maintainer. The way I see it, I don't have a pure Debian distro anymore. I have my own customized one, with the packages I want and ones I don't want removed, regardless if someone else thinks I should have them. With apt-get upgrade, I will stay current with the packages I have. If they require a new dependency, apt-get can handle it just fine. This same feature is what annoyed me with Redhat and Mandrake. I would install either distro and then purge things I'll never use (Emacs, for example). Then, I'd get a new disc for the latest and greatest version of the distro and choose the upgrade option when installing it. Once again, it adds in new programs, many of which I don't want, like, or will never use. It became routine for me to spend too much time fixing things back to the way they were. Regards Hall
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
i don't see any point to using upgrade instead of dist-upgrade. But surelly upgrade has some use, I mean, there's probably some situation in which you would prefer to use upgrade in place of dist-upgrade, could someone please shed some light in this isue? I'm going back to using upgrade and not dist-upgrade. The way I see it now, dist-upgrade will update existing packages that I have installed, but it will also *add* new packages that are marked as required, recommended, etc by some maintainer. The way I see it, I don't have a pure Debian distro anymore. I have my own customized one, with Mm thats how I see it too.. This same feature is what annoyed me with Redhat and Mandrake. I would and for the same reason.. If your a bit inexperienced you always get put off customising stuff if it feels like its either going to get broken by, or break the next upgrade...and linux is only at its best if you do (imho) One thing I like about Debian is the way it let me install a very basic system, add stuff as I needed it, and keep things manageable. With Mandrake I felt I was falling over configs for a bunch of programs, I didnt know if they were related, cooperated or redundant... with Debian I could make sense of things and learn how to do stuff without any of that.. If future releases tend towards the fill up the HD, its all good attitude I will have to stop upgrading or look at another Distro.. which I REALLY dont want to do after finding Debian .. install either distro and then purge things I'll never use (Emacs, for example). amen, thats the first to go here too.. I think it's common knowledge that vim is far superior (ok ok I know I know) They say Debian is not so newbie friendly but I think the opposite is true in many respects now because of the packaging thing.. I think its a Good Thing(TM) and a nice way to differentiate a distro by making it modular.. like the TASKS stuff.. allow people to install just what they need and get to know it, rather than get overwhelmed..
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
upgrade only upgrades what you already have and won't delete any packages, dist-upgrade will add new packages that got added into the requirements and delete new conflicts. Use upgrade regularly, and use dist-upgrade only when you have a real need and are willing to deal with the consequences (one dist-upgrade I remember nuked most of my perl-based programs :( ). On 20 Apr 2001, Jorge Santos wrote: Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 01:22:16PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: I track unstable/sid and also routinely do apt-get upgrade with no apparent problems. Every once in a while, I'll answer 'no' to doing the upgrade and then do a apt-get -u dist-upgrade and will have the exact same packages to be updated. Other times it will want to update different ones. I must admit that I'm confused... is there much reason to do upgrade vs dist-upgrade. I get the idea I should start using the latter just about all the time. i don't see any point to using upgrade instead of dist-upgrade. But surelly upgrade has some use, I mean, there's probably some situation in which you would prefer to use upgrade in place of dist-upgrade, could someone please shed some light in this isue? jorge santos -- Sacred cows make the best burgers Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!!!
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 12:41:51PM -0500, Jorge Santos wrote: You, my friend, need Gnus, look at this: [ Gnus -- 7163 ] [ Debian -- 1758 ] *0: nnml:debian-announce *0: nnml:debian-news 1754: nnml:debian-user 4: nnml:debian-security [ PostgreSQL -- 3380 ] 288: nnml:pgsql-admin 2163: nnml:pgsql-general 929: nnml:pgsql-sql [ mail -- 21 ] 21: nnml:misc.misc [ misc -- 1943 ] 3: news.announce.newusers 326: news.groups.questions 1590: gnu.emacs.gnus 4: nndoc+gnus-help:gnus-help 20: nndraft:drafts [ XML -- 61 ] 61: nnml:xmlschema-dev I was planning to check out Gnus myself, but I find that mutt and procmail do the job nicely. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925 pgpPtgYHf0AVx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
Ethan Benson wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:42:26PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19 If I do the last step, will my current kernel be left in place and be bootable if I have problems with the upgrade? yes, debian kernel versions are in seperate packages, thats why they are not upgraded automatically by apt. when you install kernel-image-2.2.19 (assuming there is no other 2.2.19 package/kernel installed) it will not touch any other kernel versions/ packages. just make sure you configure your bootloader to allow you to boot the previous kernel, for lilo, quik, and yaboot: image=/vmlinux label=linux root=/dev/whatever read-only image=/vmlinux.old label=linux.old root=/dev/whatever read-only Thanks, the install went great and I see that the install made a symbolic link to linux.old for the previous kernel. The kernel booted fine but couldn't find /var/modules/2.2.19/pcmcia I searched the directories and couldn't find the cardbus modules at all. What should I do now? I can still boot the old kernel just fine thanks to your help. Eric
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 03:51:31PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: fine but couldn't find /var/modules/2.2.19/pcmcia I searched the directories and couldn't find the cardbus modules at all. What should I do now? I can still boot the old kernel just fine thanks to your help. install the 2.2.19 version of pcmcia modules. i don't know the exact package name, i have no hardware with pcmcia. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgp1cQWexJWC1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
Ethan Benson wrote: install the 2.2.19 version of pcmcia modules. i don't know the exact package name, i have no hardware with pcmcia. The only version in stable is pcmcia-modules-2.2.19pre17 and so I get the following Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: pcmcia-modules-2.2.19pre17: Depends: kernel-image-2.2.19pre17 (= 2.2.19pre17-1) but it is not installable Maybe the pcmcia-modules-2.2.19 will be out in a few days - seems it should have been released with the new kernel since I got the rest of the modules and the new USB stuff - yeah! Do I need to file a report or make a new thread for this issue? Eric
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 12:41:51PM -0500, Jorge Santos wrote: I have. Looks like the announcement got lost in the 600 msgs I wake up to every morning. Need better colour coding. You, my friend, need Gnus, look at this: [ Gnus -- 7163 ] [ Debian -- 1758 ] [snip] This way you can divide your mail in groups as if they were newsgroups. Is it text based and have the features of mutt? :) -- CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *** Jenna has joined the channel. cat speaking of mental giants.. Jenna me, a giant, bullshit Jenna And i'm not mental - An IRC session, 20/12/2000
gnus and mutt (was: Re: debian 2.2r3 ?)
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 05:35:49PM -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote: I was planning to check out Gnus myself, but I find that mutt and procmail do the job nicely. I'd love to use procmail to split things up but well... mutt does not have the best multi-mailbox handling... I've tried it and found it to be a big pain in the arse with the mailbox sizes I deal with (.5gig of mail/month). -- CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *** Jenna has joined the channel. cat speaking of mental giants.. Jenna me, a giant, bullshit Jenna And i'm not mental - An IRC session, 20/12/2000
Re: debian 2.2r3 ?
CaT writes: Is it [Gnus] text based... It's better than that. It's Emacs based. ...and have the features of mutt? It has all the features of everything. It's Emacs based. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
