Enhancement Request for PDF X/3 Export
Dear Developers, I guess many users out there use OpenOffice for PDF-export to print shops. These often require X/3-PDF with CMYK colour seperation instead of RGB. It would be absolutely great if OpenOffice could include such an export filter. Yours Dave
broken link on home page
dear site organisers please replace deprecate link: http://www.fb4.fh-frankfurt.de/tips/openoffice/dokumentation/openoffice-uni-de.pdf the correct link is: openoffice-uni.org please confirm change yours dave
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Spam hitting the list servers
The level of spam arriving on our list servers has been steadily increasing. A couple of years ago moderators might have to filter a dozen or so attempted spam posts per day sent to the dev, marketing, doc, api & users lists. Now this can sometimes be the hourly count. Today, the dev list server is being hit with a flood attack from a Google+ account running into hundreds per hour. Is there any specific Infra contact who can deal with this, or should I simply submit a general Infra ticket? Thanks Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Clang static analyzer sweep
Original Message From: Kay Schenk Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 14:17:32 -0800 > also a ps. I think people.apache.org is still slated for removal > March 1. Kay, any chance of of a link this info? Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Nameing in Calc
My response is in-line with your original post. On 10/04/2020 10:02, Peter Kovacs wrote: > I do some user help stuff on Facebook, and learn by that more about > using OpenOffice. (I do not have much Office needs in my private live.) > > However there is in Calc the option to Format a cell. For instance if I > want to set a Cell to be of text Format I do: > > 1) Right click the cell > > 2) select format cell option > > 3) The config window will open and claim you are on the number Tab. That is only true if the "Format Cells" dialog has not been opened previously with another tab selected, otherwise the previously selected tab will be reselected. > 4) you select then in the Category Window the Format type i.e. "text> Now why > is the tab called number? I am irritated by this. For me it is > an oxymoron. No, because a cell in a spreadsheet would in most instances contain a numeric value (eg. Numbers, Percentage, Currency, Date, Time, etc.) that could be used in a calculation. Which is what appears in the "Category" list, plus the option to treat the cell(s) as non-numeric plain text. > Does anyone remeber the thinking behind this or has it been always like > this and I just never knew. To the best of my recollection it has been this way since Sun open sourced OOo in 2001. > I mean I would not notice it if I had not to describe it to someone else. Just out of curiosity, what would you consider to be a better terminology to use for that tab. Obviously the word "Text" would be a misnomer, since spreadsheet calculations cannot be performed on plain text, without some form of prior conversion into a numeric format. > All the Best > > Peter I would disagree with Pedro's assertion that "developers don't actually use it and the users are not developers". Apache OpenOffice developers are, always have been and always will be users, but that's another debate for different forum. Best Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [lazy consensus] Addition in release notes because of Big Sur (was: How should we proceed with BigSur?)
On 27/12/2020 14:38, Jörg Schmidt wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:13 PM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [lazy consensus] Addition in release notes >> because of Big Sur (was: How should we proceed with BigSur?) >> >> >>> On Dec 27, 2020, at 04:39, Jörg Schmidt >> wrote: > >>> But who can do that? I myself do not feel able to do it because: >>> -my english is too bad for longer text >> >> If you do know the content for longer writing I may be able >> to help with editing. I am a native speaker of the English >> dialect of English and have near native reading, writing, and >> listening skills in the US dialect, which I would use for an AOO blog. > > Thanks, but I think Peter's draft text is better than what I could provide. Why would you reject the assistance of a native English speaking, active, Apache OpenOffice PMC member's offer of assistance? That does not make any sense. > (whether Peter's text is spelling correct I can't say) Precisely. This and accurate English grammar is where Patricia's contribution would be extremely valuable. > greetings, > Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Problems with Spreadsheet, A repeat but with an added note
Original Message From: J J Wilkerson To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 16:15:47 + (UTC) > Hello again, > I realize that this is Sunday so I might not get a reply for some time, and > that is fine. Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated. > I've been using Open Office for Word Pad and Spreadsheets for more than a > year and installed 4.1.2 a long time ago. Yesterday I went t open a > spreadsheet that I have been adding to for about two months. All of a sudden > I can't open any spreadsheet with Open Office. I reinstalled 4.1.2 but that > has made no difference. What do I do next to open my spreadsheets? > Just wanted to add that I thought about uninstalling Open Office, but I was > concerned that that might affect all the Word Pad documents that I have and > frequently use. > > Thanks, > J. Wilkerson In some parts of the world Sunday was yesterday :-) It's a little confusing when you say "/using Open Office for Word Pad/", because Apache OpenOffice Writer and Windows WordPad are similar, but unrelated programs. What happens when you try to open your spreadsheet? Does Calc appear to be starting to load? Do you see any error messages and if so what do they say? Try starting Calc from the system menu (eg. Windows Start button) which automatically starts a new spreadsheet. If that works, try using Calc's main menu "File -> Open..." option to open your spreadsheet. The old Windows myth about uninstalling and reinstalling fixing problems rarely works for Apache OpenOffice. An often recommended solution to these kinds of issues is to delete or (preferably) rename what is known as the "/User Profile/". For details about how to do this see the following tutorial in the User Forum: Reset your user profile: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426#p58403. Hope this helps. Dave -- Any reply should only be addressed to this mailing list. All messages addressed to nore...@tasit.net are automatically deleted from the server and will never be read.
Reinstall 4.1.3 Forbidden.
It is no longer possible to reinstall/repair a 4.1.3 installation under Window without uninstalling first. Not a release blocker for 4.1.4 but definitely a fix worth considering. -- Please address any reply to the mailing list only. Any messages sent to this noreply@ address are automatically deleted from the server and will never be read. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reinstall 4.1.3 Forbidden.
On 10.10.2016 11:37, Pedro wrote: > On 10-10-2016 07:57, Dave wrote: >> It is no longer possible to reinstall/repair a 4.1.3 installation under >> Window without uninstalling first. >> Not a release blocker for 4.1.4 but definitely a fix worth considering. > > I can not confirm your observation under Windows 7 Pro x64. > Which Windows version are you referring to? > > Do you mean that you were able to do something in 4.1.2 but not in 4.1.3? > Can you describe the steps you took, what happened and what you > expected to happen? > > Maybe you can open a report in Bugzilla? > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/ Tested on a couple of other machines and reinstall/repair worked OK. Cleaned AOO off the original Win 7 Ult x64 machine (incl. profile) and installed, now reinstall/repair works there also. Must have been a local glitch. Sorry for the noise. Dave -- Please address any reply to the mailing list only. Any messages sent to this noreply@ address are automatically deleted from the server and will never be read. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Fwd: Plug and play vs build it yourself
Dev mailing list: The following message has been received by an Apache OpenOffice related website. Please cc Stephen Crowsen in any reply. Stephen: The website you contacted is not part of, or endorsed by, the Apache OpenOffice project and we are not in a position to accurately answer your issue, or to make changes to the software. Therefore, your message has been forwarded to the appropriate address. Forwarded Message Subject:Plug and play vs build it yourself Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 18:28:54 + From: Stephen Crowsen Dear Sirs, Can you please advise the Openoffice people that I do want to install Openoffice onto my computer, but the only way to do it is to download a tar.gz file that you have to extract, and then you discover there are 20 or 30 files, each one of which requires its own installation process, and the first one doesn't work. Can you ask the people that are in charge of the downloads to just make the complete RPM file available by itself so it is easy for me to install? In case they are wondering I am using the latest Centos operating system and my computer is a Lenovo B50 with 16 GB of ram (I needed the extra RAM). I have had to resort to using Zoho for some of the spreadsheet work I do. Thanks, Stephen Crowsen. -- Please address any reply to the mailing list only. Any messages sent to this noreply@ address are automatically deleted from the server and will never be read.
Re: Export of Comments in Cells of Calc
On 14.12.2016 10:46, kont...@smd-electronics.de wrote: > Hello, > I'm using the export to PDF for a document, which shows differences > done in a microprogrammed CPU. The comment is set to the previous value > So far everthing is fine but the default setting of a comment in the > PDF Reader dissatisfy my expectations. > The popup overlay icon is shown 100% opaque and at an incredibly > stupid position (adjacent cell(s)): > In consequence, the contents of the adjacent cell(s) can't be read. > But PDF allows to change this: > I'm missing the ability to do this settings within the "Export to PDF" > dialog. > My concern would be to have this ability as soon as possible - ok, ok, > it's open source, but I'm not able to implement the neccessary > changes... :-( > ** > > best regards > Hubert Sack Hi Hubert, A couple of points you should be aware of: 1. This mailing list server removes images from messages and list subscribers will only see a plain text version of you post. 2. Bug reports and requests for enhancements should submitted to: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/ Regards Dave -- Please address any reply to the mailing list only. Any messages sent to this noreply@ address are automatically deleted from the server and will never be read.
Re: future of OpenOffice
On 11.01.2017 09:44, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > On 1/10/2017 11:29 PM, Nagy �kos wrote: >> Hi, >> >> it is impossible, because the LO license is LGPL+MPL, that can't be >> merged in OpenOffice. > > That choice of license was very unfortunate, and a regrettable barrier > to cooperation between the projects. When LO split off they could have > kept the Apache license and the potential for future cooperation. The first release of OOo v3 was under LGPLv3 per Louis Suarez-Potts: https://lwn.net/Articles/272202/ In September 2010 LO forked from OOo and released LO 3.3 in January 2011 under the same license. Around 6 months later in June 2011 Oracle donated the LGPLv3 code to the ASF and AOO 3.4 was released in May 2012 under ALv2. In spite of a seemingly contradictory statement on the license page of the LO website, the above dates clearly show that LO code was forked from the original OOo code, not from the AOO code. Please let's not try to rewrite history. -- Please address any reply to the mailing list only. Any messages sent to this noreply@ address are automatically deleted from the server and will never be read. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: future of OpenOffice
On 12.01.2017 16:54, RA Stehmann wrote: > Is the past on topic for the future? Assuming that you are responding to my post in this thread, the answer to your question is no. My post was nothing more than a simple correction of Patricia's seemingly mistaken idea that the original LO code came from AOO under ALv2, which would have been impossible, because AOO did not exist when LO forked from OOo in September 2010. > Is a dogmatist a good pontifex? I understand the convoluted words of your rhetorical question, but the point you are attempting to make eludes me. > Regards > Michael Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: trying to acquire Open Office.
Original Message From: Sherry Sylvain To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 01:00:51 + > You web site and download guidelines are so "technical" and convoluted, I > can't figure out what you're offering or who I get it. For example, in > download options, - this - > > 8<-- Copy of the web page content cut -->8 > > means absolutely noting to your average girl. What the hell is Windows (EXE) > and how does it relate to my OS of Windows 7 Pro? Asturnian is perhaps a > small European country of which I was previously unaware? Perhaps near > Austria? and 4.1.3 means exactly what?? > > I bet if you tried just a little harder to you could make completely > incomprehensible for ANYONE. > > Thanks. Hi Sherry, All the contributors to this project (we are all unpaid volunteers) welcome "/constructive/" criticism. You are offering criticism, but have not put forward any _constructive_ proposal as to how the download page might be simplified. You say "/I can't figure out what you're offering/", which begs the question: If you don't know what "/it/" is, why are you looking at the download page? If you had gone to the project's home page http://www.openoffice.org/ you would have seen a link that says: I want to learn more about OpenOffice What is Apache OpenOffice? And why should I use it? Clicking that link takes website visitors to: http://www.openoffice.org/why/index.html a page which provides an outline of what we are offering. As to the many options offered on the download page.The script running in the background of that page attempts to detect: * Which operating system your computer is running. (There are several possibilities.) * Which language your web browser is using. (There are many more possibilities here.) * And offers the most recent release of the software. In _most_ instances the script accurately detects and offers the correct installation package to be downloaded Are you suggesting that the auto-detection script should always achieve the impossible feat of 100% accuracy and only offer what "/You/" want? That would deny me the option of: eg. Using a 64bit Windows computer with an English browser to download a 32bit Linux version 3.4.1 package for a friend who only speaks Italian. An exceptional case, but numerous combinations of such a scenario are possible. As to "/who (How) I get it/", is there anything confusing about the "/Download full installation/" button? We would welcome your constructive proposal about how the download page page could be simplified and we would surely consider the viability of implementing your proposal. Regards Dave
Re: OpenOffice
Original Message From: Suhail Ansari To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:10:48 +0530 > Hi > TheASF has lots of important projects such as Tomcat, Hadoop etc. I > think that TheASF should either work with the document foundation or donate > open office trademarks to the document foundation because you already have > big active communities working in various projects and new projects like > netbeans will be part of TheASF very soon, donating trademark to the > document foundation will allow you to focus on important projects like > netbeans, tomcat etc. > > Suhail Ansari Hi Suhail, Since you are not subscribed to this list you might not be aware that your proposal has been discussed and dismissed a number of times before. The fact is that door is now closed and there is (almost) no possibility of the ASF donating the trademark and/or domain name to The Document Foundation/ LibreOffice. As mentioned by others in this thread, very few (if any) contributors to the Apache OpenOffice project would move their contribution efforts to other ASF projects, so the overall benefit to the ASF would be something approaching zero. While merging the resources of the two projects might seem to be a sensible and productive move, there is a long standing resistance on both sides to such a move. Plus the differences between the licensing philosophies of the two projects will always result in a "/Mexican Standoff/". Dave -- Please address any reply to the mailing list only. Any messages sent to this noreply@ address are automatically deleted from the server and will never be read.
Re: How to delete a wrong email list subscription?
On 04/11/2021 07:41, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > Hello, > > For some time now, there have been spam emails on > users...@openoffice.apache.org _which appear_ to be sent by a registered > spammer who is misusing the email address of a third party. > > Questions: > How can I reliably check whether the address "i...@dkb.de" is actually > registered for the list mentioned (users...@openoffice.apache.org)? > How can we remove the registration of this email (i...@dkb.de)? > > > > greetings, > Jörg > > P.S. > I'm not the moderator of users...@openoffice.apache.org, but I think someone > needs to address this issue. Hi Jörg, Contact the list moderator(s) users-de-ow...@openoffice.apache.org They have the facilities to resolve this issue. Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
On 06/11/2021 10:30, Marcus wrote:
> Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
>> users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam
>> emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action
>> was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list
>> that I had specifically pointed out.
>>
>> Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try
>> to write to another moderator and ask for help.
>>
>> [1]
>> see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
>
> I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
> maybe it's a bit outdated.
>
> Marcus
I have been a moderator for some of our English lists since the
project's poddling days. Unfortunately, my knowledge of German is not
very good, so I would not be of much help for the German users list.
I have asked before why the PMC does not wish moderators to be
identified, but never received any rational answer.
Dave
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
On 06/11/2021 19:26, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>
>> On Nov 6, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Dave wrote:
>>
>> On 06/11/2021 10:30, Marcus wrote:
>>> Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>> following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
>>>> users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam
>>>> emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action
>>>> was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list
>>>> that I had specifically pointed out.
>>>>
>>>> Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try
>>>> to write to another moderator and ask for help.
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
>>>
>>> I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
>>> maybe it's a bit outdated.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>
>> I have been a moderator for some of our English lists since the
>> project's poddling days. Unfortunately, my knowledge of German is not
>> very good, so I would not be of much help for the German users list.
>>
>> I have asked before why the PMC does not wish moderators to be
>> identified, but never received any rational answer.
>
> Providing a clear identification of moderators would be a privacy challenge.
>
> The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to
> users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> Dave
Sorry to put it this way Dave, but this is the same answer that I have
had received from you and other PMC members previously.
If your statement is true, then we and the ASF have a very serious and
extreme privacy challenge here:
https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice
In my view anyone who "steps up to he plate" for ANY role in an OPEN
source project should not have any concerns about being identified a
contributor and their role that project. I am not ashamed of being
identified as a (very small, relatively unimportant) contributor to the
AOO project and I suggest that ANYONE who is wishes to adopt this
underhanded, secretive approach, should step away from the project.
Yes, my commentary will be misinterpreted by some as inflammatory, but
like Jörg I am both a supporter and critic of the AOO project.
As a separate issue, the above mentioned link is seriously in need of
review and update, because many of the people mentioned are no longer
active in, or have resigned from the positions listed. Also one person
listed regrettably passed away last month.
Regards
Dave
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
On 07/11/2021 19:42, Dave Fisher wrote: >> Sorry to put it this way Dave, but this is the same answer that I have >> had received from you and other PMC members previously. >> >> If your statement is true, then we and the ASF have a very serious and >> extreme privacy challenge here: >> https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice >> >> In my view anyone who "steps up to he plate" for ANY role in an OPEN >> source project should not have any concerns about being identified a >> contributor and their role that project. I am not ashamed of being >> identified as a (very small, relatively unimportant) contributor to the >> AOO project and I suggest that ANYONE who is wishes to adopt this >> underhanded, secretive approach, should step away from the project. > I agree about every role except moderation. I moderate 27 different Apache > Mailing Lists only one of which is an AOO list. > > If the community wishes to disclose all of the moderators that would be an > acceptable outcome. I read your words, which are the same as you and other PMC members have previously stated, but I still do not read any explanation as to the rational of why moderators should hold any more of an exclusive or covert role within the ASF. Let's just put this down to my natural stupidity and end this thread, because there is nothing to be gained by perusing the subject. Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
On 10/11/2021 21:28, Kay Schenk wrote: > my thoughts > > Once upon a time, mailing list moderators were listed on the project > page -- openoffice.apache.org -- along with the mailing lists. I see > that this is no longer the case. It might be a good idea to list the > moderators...but as Dave sez, make it clear they are not to be directly > contacted and (maybe?) to contact the PMC about issues with mailing list > behavior instead(???) Hi Kay, Thanks for your input. Yes, I also remember those pre-Apache days. Since 2001 moderators have been contactable via owner- address. Unless things get really out of hand, I do not think it is necessary to involve the PMC group of members, just allow moderators to do their job and manage mailing list issues. I have been sorely tempted to put on my "Moderator Hat" and step in on some aspects of this thread, but since I personally contributed to part of the commentary I felt it more appropriate for me to step back and allow another moderator to handle things, if they chose to do so. However, I would ask that now everyone here has vented their thoughts and grievances to the list, can we please put our differences aside and move on. Remembering that we are all posting here in the common interest of taking the AOO project forward, even if we have different ways of expressing that interest. Thanks and kindest regards to you all. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Contribution/recruitment!
On 16/05/2022 17:27, medo medo wrote: > Hello,I am Ahmed Aboubakr from Cairo, Egypt.I am interested in contributing > to Openoffice project. > I am not sure where should I get started.Thanks,Ahmed. This page should help: https://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/ Then ask for further advice or guidance on this list. Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: problem downloading binaries from sourceforge
On 25/07/2022 13:52, Carl Marcum wrote: > Hi All, > > I tried going through https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html to > download Linux x86-64 rpm binaries and follow the binary link to SF and > the download download doesn't start and it redirects me to the files > page and 4.1.13 isn't listed but there is another download button that > doesn't work and then I'm back to the files page. > > When I try to login I get a 404 that it says the website is temporarily > in static offline mode. > But it shows a tweet that says its back to full capacity. > > Anybody else get this? > > Thanks, > Carl Going through the route you describe I get the same, but since I have my browser set to block almost everything on SurceForge that doesn't surprise. I suggest the "Alternative download link #2" in the right hand column of https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects
On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote: > Hi all, > > I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO. > > As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From > LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes. > > Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint? > > Check out the document: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing > > I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate. > > My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast > machine) > > All the best > > Peter Hi Peter, Not sure if this will be of any help to you. My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am on Linux Mint 20.3 I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13 (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either AOO or LibreOffice on Linux. However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10, but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10. Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects
Hi Matthias, Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box. I have never been a fan of GNOME. Regards Dave On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint? > > We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when > GNOME is used as DE. > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave: >> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO. >>> >>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From >>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes. >>> >>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint? >>> >>> Check out the document: >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate. >>> >>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast >>> machine) >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> Peter >> Hi Peter, >> >> Not sure if this will be of any help to you. >> >> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am on Linux Mint 20.3 >> >> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13 >> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either >> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux. >> >> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the >> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10, >> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10. >> >> Regards >> Dave >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects
Hi Matthias, Sorry, but you loose that bet. I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with 16Gb RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close enough. Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer SOMETHING to assist Peter. @Peter: On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO 4.1.13 edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of to create a crash, but it remained rock solid. Is there any difference between the RC and released code? Regards Dave On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave: >> Hi Matthias, >> >> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box. >> >> I have never been a fan of GNOME. > > I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-) > > Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and a lot > of people *are* using GNOME... > > Regards, > > Matthias > >> >> Regards >> Dave >> >> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> Hi Dave, >>> >>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint? >>> >>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when >>> GNOME is used as DE. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave: >>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO. >>>>> >>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From >>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint? >>>>> >>>>> Check out the document: >>>>> >>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate. >>>>> >>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast >>>>> machine) >>>>> >>>>> All the best >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you. >>>> >>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am on Linux Mint 20.3 >>>> >>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13 >>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either >>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux. >>>> >>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the >>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10, >>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects
Hi Matthias, Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you had absolutely no sense of humour. Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted) talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess who they might be. YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine". Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list will now be directed to null/dev. BYE AOO! On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave: >> Hi Matthias, >> >> Sorry, but you loose that bet. >> >> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and >> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only >> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with 16Gb >> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close enough. >> >> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer >> SOMETHING to assist Peter. > > I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user. > > And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer. > >> >> @Peter: >> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO 4.1.13 >> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of >> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid. >> >> Is there any difference between the RC and released code? > > No. > > Regards, > > Matthias > >> >> Regards >> Dave >> >> >> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> Hi Dave, >>> >>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave: >>>> Hi Matthias, >>>> >>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box. >>>> >>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME. >>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-) >>> >>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and a lot >>> of people *are* using GNOME... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>>> Regards >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote: >>>>> Hi Dave, >>>>> >>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint? >>>>> >>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when >>>>> GNOME is used as DE. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Matthias >>>>> >>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave: >>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From >>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Check out the document: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast >>>>>>> machine) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the best >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter >>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you. >>>>>> >>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am on Linux Mint 20.3 >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13 >>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either >>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the >>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10, >>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects
Sorry folks. Dave Fisher sensed correctly it was a particularly bad day with some domestic issues I am dealing with at the moment and I should not have vented my frustrations at people who did not deserve my "knee-jerk" reaction to a misunderstanding. I would like to put my outburst aside and move on with AOO. Regards Dave Barton On 02/08/2022 17:12, Dave Fisher wrote: > After 21 years working with users of OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, and > LibreOffice Dave’s experience should be respected and not dismissed. > > Assume a bad day or frustration instead of further reaction. Apologizing for > misunderstanding someone is good, friendly community building. > > Assume the best, > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Peter kovacs wrote: >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> Can you explain? >> I do not understand why Dave is angry. >> I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave. >> >> Thanks. >> Peter >> >> Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher : >>> I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion. >>> >>> If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from >>> moderation. >>> >>> All the best, >>> Dave >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am not sure what happened here... >>>> >>>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter". >>>> >>>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We >>>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Matthias >>>> >>>>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs: >>>>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage >>>>> quit. >>>>> >>>>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to >>>>> late for that. >>>>> >>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave: >>>>>> Hi Matthias, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you >>>>>> had absolutely no sense of humour. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you >>>>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted) >>>>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess >>>>>> who they might be. >>>>>> >>>>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here >>>>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine". >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list >>>>>> will now be directed to null/dev. >>>>>> >>>>>> BYE AOO! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Dave, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave: >>>>>>>> Hi Matthias, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and >>>>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only >>>>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with >>>>>>>> 16Gb >>>>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close >>>>>>>> enough. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer >>>>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter. >>>>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Peter: >>>>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO >>>>>>>> 4.1.13 >>>>
Templates Website Failure
We are getting more and more complainants about Template and Extension authors being unable to access these sites. To check the issue I tried register at the Templates site and received a totally garbage response. First it claims to be unable to send an email, then falsely claims to have sent an email to may address. See: https://www.mediafire.com/view/to0htjvimtowdi0/AOO_Template_Site_Failure.png/file Can you please provide me the contact details of the project member who has admin privileges for the Templates & Extensions website, or give me admin privileges and I will try to fix these issues and maintain the sites. TIA Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
On 18/08/2022 17:33, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Dave wrote: >> We are getting more and more complainants about Template and Extension >> authors being unable to access these sites. > > I'm catching up with mail and indeed I see this is a recurrent issue. > >> To check the issue I tried register at the Templates site and received a >> totally garbage response. First it claims to be unable to send an email, >> then falsely claims to have sent an email to may address. > > The issue is of course with the first part, i.e., it doesn't send out > mail. It is a rather ordinary failure, it is simply unable to send > mail since SourceForge disabled the feature (if I recall correctly; I > looked into this in early 2021). And the solution is rather ordinary > too: we just need to configure outgoing mail properly. > >> Can you please provide me the contact details of the project member who >> has admin privileges for the Templates & Extensions website, or give me >> admin privileges and I will try to fix these issues and maintain the >> sites. > > Several of us have admin privileges, including Matthias, Pedro and me. > I had started fixing the issue long ago but that got stuck in JIRA > mostly due to misunderstandings. See > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21334 > > But I would suggest a simpler approach now: we can try and configure > an account to be used for sending mail (even a GMail account will do) > and update the site configuration to use GMail as SMTP. And then, if > it works, we replace it with a more reasonable sender, like an > apache.org address. > > Honestly I haven't connected to the sites in several months, but if > you are up for testing I can find some time in the next couple days so > that we can fix the issue. It is 100% reproducible and 100% broken so > whatever comes out of this attempt won't make the situation worse! > > Regards, > Andrea. > Hi Andrea, Configuring a sending account seems like a reasonable idea. Yes, I am more than happy to help out with any necessary testing. Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice icons
This already happens. At least one moderator always responds off-list to these "stop spamming" type posts, which did happen in this instance and the poster in question subsequently unsubscribed themselves. The best thing to do is ignore this kind of post and leave it to the moderators to manage the list as necessary. Original Message From: John D'Orazio [mailto:john.dora...@cappellaniauniroma3.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 17:12 UTC To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: OpenOffice icons > Wouldn't it be easier to simply remove the user from the list? I've seen > multiple messages now with the "Stop spamming" reply, they obviously are > not interested in receiving messages from the list. If they don't know how > to unsubscribe, perhaps it would be easier to unsubscribe them... > > Il Sab 10 Set 2022, 01:12 Keith N. McKenna ha > scritto: > >> 口 海 wrote: >>> Stop spamming >>> >> >> >> Your receipt of messages is not spam.At one point you subscribed to this >> mailing list and will receive all messages sent to it. This is how >> mailing lists work. >> >> At the bottom of all messages from the list you should see the 2 lines >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> If you no longer want to receive messages from this list send an e-mail >> to the unsubscribe address. You will receive a reply, which may end up >> in your spam folder, so be sure to check there. >> Click reply, and you will receive a reply that you are unsubscribed. >> >> Regards >> Keith N. McKenna >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Profile Backup/Restore
So AOO is incapable of, or prohibited from, spawning an external process? So an AOO extension is not really an option and the very long standing problem of our users data being destroyed by this issue continues on unresolved, because we don't THINK it can be done instead of finding a way to get it done. I just threw an idea into the pot for consideration, I never claimed it was in anyway a perfect, or even workable solution. Best Regards Dave On 30/12/2022 18:49, Carl Marcum wrote: > I can understand using a standalone application but how can an extension > work if it depends on the office running? > As you said you check for it and close it first in yours. > > Best regards, > Carl > > On 12/30/22 8:39 AM, Moderator wrote: >> Yes an extension would work, I wrote a free standing Windows exe in >> PureBasicfor my own use. >> >> You are correct in saying it is unwise to access a user profile while >> AOO is running, which is why my code tests for a running instance of LO >> and closes it first. Obviously I would not just close the program if the >> code was not exclusively for my own personal use. >> >> I have never developed an edition of the code for Linux or Apple, >> because I have watched mailing list, forum complaints and bug reports >> for over 10 years and the profile corruption issue seems to be mostly a >> Windows issue. >> >> >> On 30/12/2022 12:35, Bidouille wrote: >>> An extension will not work. >>> Because OpenOffice shoudn't be running to access on profile. >>> >>> >>> - Mail original - >>>> De: "Peter Kovacs" >>>> À:dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>> Envoyé: Vendredi 30 Décembre 2022 12:40:06 >>>> Objet: Re: Profile Backup/Restore >>>> >>>> Hi Pedro, >>>> >>>> Am 28.12.22 um 23:30 schrieb Pedro Lino: >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for the feedback. >>>>> >>>>> I was not thinking of Profile corruption (although the solution for >>>>> some issues is resetting the profile which means that some part of >>>>> it was corrupted?) >>>>> >>>>> It was more a tool to Backup a working profile and hopefully being >>>>> able to import it in another machine. >>>>> >>>>> Having separate check boxes to import/export different parts of the >>>>> profile was my main idea (it could also be used as debugging tool >>>>> to pinpoint the problem when a corruption actually occurs) >>>>> >>>>> Resetting a profile (as suggested repeatedly) solves some problems >>>>> but wastes a lot of time and effort that the user already had >>>>> accumulated in his profile. >>>>> >>>>> As an example, it would be really useful to backup the personal >>>>> dictionary on one computer and being able to import (merge?) in >>>>> another. >>>>> I am aware that you can dig in to the profile structure and copy a >>>>> file. But a common user would not do that. >>>>> >>>>> Can this be done with an extension? >>>> sure we can create this as an extension. The Main issue is still we >>>> need >>>> to integrate the functionality. >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> Pedro >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/28/2022 9:34 PM WET Carl Marcum wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/28/22 2:53 PM, Peter kovacs wrote: >>>>>>> I am not sure which issue it is. >>>>>>> There is one script from Hana that resets the user profile. We >>>>>>> need to package it and make it execute by menue >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have the suspicion that the profile corruption is related to >>>>>>> the file corruption issue. On power fail, or sleep a file can >>>>>>> become corrupted when AOO tries to write in the same moment. >>>>>>> It is quite hard to create this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the best >>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 28. Dezember 2022 16:51:03 MEZ schrieb Damjan >>>>>>> Jovanovic: >>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>> >>>&g
Marketing Mailing List
The marketing mailing list has a deteriorating level of usefulness. Since 2014 there have been 330 posts, the majority of which had very little to do with the "marketing" the software or promotion of the project: Year Posts 2014 211 2015 40 2016 43 2017 21 20184 20192 20203 20213 20223 Total 330 Apart from the small flurry of activity in 2014 just before Rob Weir retired from the project. the mailing list has served almost no useful purpose, other than to attract a steady 24/7 stream of spam posts. Since the project doesn't engage in any marketing activity and those few events at which we attend are normally discussed on the dev list, I propose that, unless any member of the project can offer any clear and fully justifiable reason for doing otherwise, we shut down the "spam bait" marketing list. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Marketing Mailing List
On 07/01/2023 16:31, Dave wrote: > The marketing mailing list has a deteriorating level of usefulness. > Since 2014 there have been 330 posts, the majority of which had very > little to do with the "marketing" the software or promotion of the project: > Year Posts > 2014 211 > 2015 40 > 2016 43 > 2017 21 > 20184 > 20192 > 20203 > 20213 > 20223 > Total 330 > > Apart from the small flurry of activity in 2014 just before Rob Weir > retired from the project. the mailing list has served almost no useful > purpose, other than to attract a steady 24/7 stream of spam posts. > > Since the project doesn't engage in any marketing activity and those few > events at which we attend are normally discussed on the dev list, I > propose that, unless any member of the project can offer any clear and > fully justifiable reason for doing otherwise, we shut down the "spam > bait" marketing list. > > Dave Thanks to everyone who replied. The consensus appears to agree with the proposal. Is there anyone on this list with the karma to shut down the list, or should I submit a request to infra? I will make the necessary changes to: https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html It also appears that the ooo-...@incubator.apache.org is still open (not openly advertised) to receive a regular stream of spam post submissions. Since we came out of incubation many years ago I will close or arrange to close this and any other ooo-...@incubator.apache.org lists I find. Obviously this is an issue mainly of interest to list moderators, but I like to think this is a small step towards lowering the spam bots interest in flooding our project mailing lists. Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Marketing Mailing List
On 10/01/2023 07:08, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 07/01/23 Dave wrote: >> The marketing mailing list has a deteriorating level of usefulness. ... >> I propose that, unless any member of the project can offer any clear and >> fully justifiable reason for doing otherwise, we shut down the "spam >> bait" marketing list. > > Yes, +1 for shutting it down; I would just suggest sending a note to the > list, shortly before it is shut down, so that its members can subscribe > to dev if they wish. > > Regards, > Andrea. Thanks for the reminder Andrea, that is going to be my next step. Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Editing Website
It's been a while since I last edited pages on the website. I previously edited pages using the browser-based editing workflow as described here: https://openoffice.apache.org/docs/edit-cms.html#browser-based-editing-workflow Now when I go to edit a page clicking my JavaScript bookmarklet returns: can’t connect to the server at cms.apache.org. Did I miss the memo about some change in this procedure, or is there another problem? TIA Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Editing Website
Thanks Dave. Obviously I wasn't paying attention when the change was made. It's getting late here, so I will take a look at the info you have given tomorrow. Regards Dave On 24/01/2023 20:17, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Dave, > > That is very much obsolete and the Apache CMS has been deprecated for well > over a year. > > The project site and OpenOffice.org are both in GitHub and using ASF Pelican: > > See https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project and > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org - the README.md files have > instructions. > > Best, > Dave > >> On Jan 24, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Dave wrote: >> >> It's been a while since I last edited pages on the website. I previously >> edited pages using the browser-based editing workflow as described here: >> https://openoffice.apache.org/docs/edit-cms.html#browser-based-editing-workflow >> Now when I go to edit a page clicking my JavaScript bookmarklet returns: >> can’t connect to the server at cms.apache.org. >> >> Did I miss the memo about some change in this procedure, or is there >> another problem? >> >> TIA >> Dave >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Committers do not have write access?
I tried to make a trivial correction to one page of our website, as per the instructions here: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/README.md#quick-updates-to-a-single-file I navigate to the specific page and select the "Edit this file" option, then I receive the following message: You’re making changes in a project you don’t have write access to. Submitting a change will write it to a new branch in your fork b-m-c-s/openoffice-project, so you can send a pull request. Is the README.md file incorrect or is there something I am overlooking? Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Committers do not have write access?
Thanks for taking the time to respond Dave. I am logged into GitHub with my Apache ID and I am authenticated otherwise I would not be able to access the "Edit this file" option, Regards Dave On 09/03/2023 18:35, Dave Fisher wrote: > Have you connected your GitHub account to your Apache id? > > 1. Enable 2FA on GitHub > 2. Login to id.apache.org to map your GitHub id. > 3. Wait up to an hour for the ASF to update the GitHub permissions. > > If that fails then we’ll need more discussion. > > Best, > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 9, 2023, at 9:59 AM, Dave wrote: >> >> I tried to make a trivial correction to one page of our website, as per >> the instructions here: >> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/README.md#quick-updates-to-a-single-file >> I navigate to the specific page and select the "Edit this file" option, >> then I receive the following message: >> You’re making changes in a project you don’t have write access to. >> Submitting a change will write it to a new branch in your fork >> b-m-c-s/openoffice-project, so you can send a pull request. >> Is the README.md file incorrect or is there something I am overlooking? >> >> Dave >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Icons proposal
On 10/04/2023 19:56, Xavier Verbreghe wrote: > Hi, I wanted to show you the icons I made to potentially replace the AOO > base icons in the future. > > I made icons for software (Writer, Base, Draw, Math, Impress, Calc), but > also for different filetypes. > > Could you take a look and tell me what you think? > > I am making an icon pack for the interior of the different software. > > Here’s the link to see my proposal : > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zaocgHeB30J5J-IGLnXAEPdeGKc075Iz?usp=sharing > > Thank you. > > Regards, > Manjiro5 > Corentin VERBREGHE Possible user confusion. Icons look very like LO with gulls added. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Icons proposal
On 13/04/2023 17:33, Pedro Lino wrote: > Hi all > >> On 04/13/2023 2:13 PM WEST Dave wrote: > >>> Here’s the link to see my proposal : >>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zaocgHeB30J5J-IGLnXAEPdeGKc075Iz?usp=sharing >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Manjiro5 >>> Corentin VERBREGHE >> >> Possible user confusion. Icons look very like LO with gulls added. >> > > After installing the current LO 7.5 I have to agree that there are some > similarities but the folded corner and the seagulls make them quite > distinctive. > I actually like these icons more than the LO equivalent... I made NO comment about either liking or disliking the proposal. Both you and Matthias have already said you like the design. In the original post the question was asked: "Could you take a look and tell me what you think?". My thought was: "Icons look very like LO with gulls added". See: https://pcloscloud.com/index.php/s/b6t5iJRajKgZQiN > IMO it is good to have a new different icon theme. It is always a good thing > to have more options ;) Agreed. > If any user prefers to have the two Office suites installed on the same PC, > I'm sure they are quite capable of knowing which is which. Over time I get to see software installations on numerous (possibly hundreds) computers. You would be surprised how many, mostly Windows users, have little or no idea what has been installed on their machines, but that's different issue. > All the best, > Pedro Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Are Forum and Wiki down ??
Same here. I get "Timed Out" on both forum & wiki On 20/09/2023 12:55, Dick Groskamp wrote: We now are experiencing downtime on Apache OpenOffice fora (https:/forum.openoffice.org/en/forum;https:/forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum) and the OpenOffice wiki (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki). Sites report error to Firefox and Firefox says it can't connect Earlier (2023-09-13) I mailed about slow performance: We are experiencing a very slow performance on Apache OpenOffice fora (https:/forum.openoffice.org/en/forum;https:/forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum) and the OpenOffice wiki (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki). Also reported on the mailinglist dev@openoffice.apache.org by French user Bidouille __ Could?Would you check please ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Are Forum and Wiki down ??
On 21/09/2023 19:03, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi - On Sep 20, 2023, at 7:29 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: On 2023-09-20 06:55, Dick Groskamp via users wrote: We now are experiencing downtime on Apache OpenOffice fora (https:/forum.openoffice.org/en/forum;https:/forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum) and the OpenOffice wiki (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki). Sites report error to Firefox and Firefox says it can't connect Not down, per se, but rather overworked. I have increased the process count for httpd, so it can handle a few more users at a time, but this is mainly a stop-gap solution. The ideal solution here would be for the project to move away from the old prefork methods and to an FPM-backed PHP engine for their forum and wiki, which would enable event-based processing instead (meaning a lot more users could be served with the same resources). I’ve been discussing with Daniel how to make this FPM change on our server. It should be a simple configuration change, but we want to schedule it so that we can revert or fix it if it fails. We will need some people ready to test the Wiki and Fora when we do this. I am thinking that next Tuesday or Wednesday morning at about 8 AM PDT / 16:00 UTC would be good for me. How is that for the Wiki and Fora teams? Best, Dave Unfortunately I will be in hospital on Monday and Tuesday, but I should be home on Wednesday and would be happy to test the changes. Regards Dave Earlier (2023-09-13) I mailed about slow performance: We are experiencing a very slow performance on Apache OpenOffice fora (https:/forum.openoffice.org/en/forum;https:/forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum) and the OpenOffice wiki (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki). Also reported on the mailinglist dev@openoffice.apache.org by French user Bidouille __ Could?Would you check please ? -- DiGro ___ Apache OpenOffice 4.1.14 (Dutch) and scanned with Ziggo Safe Online (F-Secure) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: unsubscribe please!
Original Message From: CHERYL ANN To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:24:35 -0400 > Could you please remove cnr0...@gmail.com from your mailing list. I > do not use Open Office and don't know why I get several emails daily > from users. Thanks I have already replied to the poster off-list regarding the unsubscribe procedure. She is not subscribed to the email address she has used here. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Translation for AOO 4.0
Guys, http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html And if you are posting so many times in a single thread then I wonder if the purpose is immolation or what? The oxygen is certainly sucked out of what is an important decision - the community decision about releasing and when. We should go with what we have when we are ready and certain things as in ANY software release - corporate, commercial, or whatever - will need to go to the backlog. Tomorrow is another day and there will always be another thread. Thanks JanI - your many efforts and enthusiasm are appreciated, but when times are brittle take a break. I've there myself on many occasions. Thanks Rob your position is well moderated and intelligent, no need to have the last word. Sometimes it is good to let others articulate your position for you. Peace and enjoy your weekends! Best Regards, Dave On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:39 PM, janI wrote: >> On 26 April 2013 20:42, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:10 PM, janI wrote: >>>> On 26 April 2013 18:52, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Claudio Filho >>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> Em 26/04/2013 12:13, "janI" escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> for the record, this was not what I saidI simply believe that a >>>>>>> feature without help (and documentation) is not complete and if >>> released >>>>>>> should be highlighted because our average user depend on help in many >>>>>>> situations. >>>>>> >>>>>> Only to give an out perspective, this "highlighted" can return against >>>>> we, >>>>>> as a incomplete or immature development. >>>>>> >>>>>> Imho, an important feature of aoo project is its concern in bring and >>>>>> deliver a product with high quality. So, the PoV of Ariel and Jan are >>>>> solid. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then all the more reason for someone who cares to enter an issue into >>>>> BZ for this. Don't you agree? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have not seen BZ yet for problems/shortcomming with new features in >>>> development (e.g. where are the detailed outstandings of IA2, jsc 3 layer >>>> change etc). The help/documentation issue is part of the general sidebar >>>> development, but of course we can make one big extra BZ for the 4.0 >>>> release just to please the administrative overhead. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Actually, we just completed a test pass of the Sidebar, a "new >>> feature", and 65 new defects reports are in BZ. We use Bugzilla for >>> tracking these things, even for new features. Once the developers >>> have integrated the code into the trunk, posted a build and asked for >>> testing to begin, then we use BZ for tracking issues. >>> >>>> making BZ for problems/missing with ongoing development is highly >>>> problematic, I could f.x. make about 10 BZ for genLang, and I am pretty >>>> sure the sidebar developers/documenters/testers could make about at least >>>> 100 BZ if they wanted to. It would simply flood BZ, make real problems >>>> harder to spot, and put an extra burden on the people doing the work. I >>>> f.x. have a simply list with my outstandings,which is quite normal during >>>> the development/initial test phase. >>>> >>> >>> genLang isn't checked into the trunk, a build posted and a call for >>> testing started, right? See the difference? >>> >>> >>>> making a special BZ for this issue, is in my opinion just an >>> administrativ >>>> trix, it does not change 1 millimeter about the fact, that we have both a >>>> challenge. And also I dont understand why you separate this issue from >>> all >>>> the other open issues with sidebar. >>>> >>> >>> I don''t see why you are separating this issue from all the other >>> sidebar issues, which are, as I indicate, in BZ already. >>> >>>> We should be focussing a lot more on solving our challenges !! >>>> >>> >>> And one way you can help is to enter issues with integrated features >>> into Bugzilla. Though obviously you are just refusing, for >>> stu
Re: tech support
This query was moderated into the list. I've included Martin in the response. On Apr 27, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 00:02:54 -0700 (PDT) > Martin Obrien wrote: > >> I am trying to get help with a sudden aberration I am experiencing with Open >> Office. Can you please send me in the right direction? >> > The Forum at http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ offers good support for > Users dealing with OpenOffice problems. You will need to give full details > of your Operating System, OpenOffice version and the problem. > > > -- > Rory O'Farrell > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: un subscribe
Original Message From: Wright Grant Omar Rivelino To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:56:36 + > Can you remove rant_o...@hotmail.com from Open Office I dont use it, and I > reseave several massage > > Thanks > > Omar You are subscribed as grant_o...@hotmail.com Send an email from grant_o...@hotmail.com to dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org To complete the automated unsubscribe process, reply to the confirmation request email you receive. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure
On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > @Daniel, > > Right, this is about poisoning the committer keys but not touching the SVN, > instead, counterfeiting a binary release downstream, but faking the asc, md5, > and sha1 too. (These would not be at dist, and depend on folks not noticing > because the instructions for how to check correctly are so obscure. It is > very far-fetched, since there are easier exploits that rely on user's not > being equipped to verify what they are getting and not relying on the > authentic download location. > > Another way would be to attack the release candidate in the release manager's > ASF FreeBSD account, although someone who checks the signature might notice > that it is by an unexpected committer. Again, reasonably far-fetched. Two > committers would have to be compromised, or the Release Manager would have to > be compromised and not notice that there is a new fingerprint in the RM's > profile. I like that last one. It has a certain movie-plot plausibility. > Who ever looks for funny business in their profile, or odd materials in their > keys entry? (Note that it is the binaries that are compromised, there is no > messing with the source tarballs.) When I vote on a release I am looking at the fingerprint. This is where looking for a fingerprint that is on the "Web of Trust" is important. http://people.apache.org/~henkp/trust/ I like Henk's opinion here: > what can I trust, ultimately ? > > The short answer is nothing. > For the ultra sceptics there is no hope. > > • you can't trust the things you did yesterday, because you can't trust > your memory > • you can't trust software you didn't write or hardware you didn't build > • you can't overlook the possibility that apache.org is a fake, set up > especialy to lure you into using bad software > Regards, Dave > > - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Daniel Shahaf [mailto:danie...@apache.org] > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 15:58 > To: Dennis E. Hamilton > Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org; pesce...@apache.org > Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN > -- KEYS Compromise Exposure > > Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:31:14 -0700: >> 5. This is sufficient to poison a download mirror site with >> a counterfeit download so long as the ASC, SHA1, and MD5 locations >> can also be spoofed without the user noticing. > > Right. The normal answer here is "They will have to commit to the dist/ > repository which will cause a post-commit mail which someone will > notice". I'd be interested in hearing (on infra-dev@) how you break > this without assuming a mirror gets compromised (if _that_ happens, > it's game over for users who don't verify PGP sigs). > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: restricted by GSA ADP Schedule Contract with IBM Corp.
Hi, I have confirmed that this particular header does not occur anywhere else in the active codebase. Regards, Dave On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Marc Rabell wrote: > Thanks for clarifying Andre. > > Regards, > > Marc > > Marc Rabell > twitter <https://twitter.com/mrabell> | > linkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcrabell> > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Andre Fischer wrote: > >> On 30.04.2013 13:30, Andre Fischer wrote: >> >>> On 30.04.2013 12:27, Marc Rabell wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Why this file restricted rights ? >>>> >>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**openoffice/trunk/main/sfx2/** >>>> inc/sfx2/sidebar/**propertypanel.hrc?view=markup<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/sfx2/inc/sfx2/sidebar/propertypanel.hrc?view=markup> >>>> >>> >>> This license header was just overlooked by the one who migrated it. But >>> this is a good opportunity to rename this file to something that better >>> describes its current function: just a bag of defines (sizes, distances, >>> offsets) used in various sidebar resource files. >>> >>> >>>> Is it fixable ? >>>> >>> >>> Yes, easily. Thanks for finding this. >>> >> >> Created issue 122194 for this. >> >> >> >>> -Andre >>> >>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Marc Rabell >>>> twitter <https://twitter.com/mrabell> | >>>> linkedIn<http://www.linkedin.**com/in/marcrabell<http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcrabell> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> --**--**- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Crowdfunding revisited
A caution and something to keep in mind and I am speaking from experience. Payment to a developer for working on a feature must not be tied or made contingent on that feature becoming part of the product. The developer ultimately has no control over the inclusion of a feature in a release. Including a feature in a release is something that only the PMC decides and we do it on our own schedule without regards to anyone else's plans. Regards, Dave On May 1, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > We can take it from both directions...mention BountySource in the context > of people offering money for changes, and Catincan for people asking for > money for changes. As examples of business models, along with VAR and > consulting. > > > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: >>> The answer from Catincan is, a developer is someone who can commit >> changes >>> to the project. "The person listing the project has to be able to have >> it >>> merged into the main branch or have the approve of a developer that can. >>> Our goal is to have all users be able to benefit from whatever features >> are >>> crowdfunded opposed to unsupported forks." >>> >> >> The tricky thing for us is that no committer's work is inviolable. >> Every committer has the ability to cast a technical veto. So one >> would need to be careful how one expresses expectations. >> >> Extreme hypothetical: Someone offers to pay a committer $10,000 if >> they add an advertisement to the splash screen of OpenOffice for >> www.OnlinePoker.com. There is nothing we (Apache) can do to stop that >> work from being contracted. But we can and would veto it from being >> included in a release. But the committer could certainly provide a >> private build of that change to their customer, modulo any trademark >> issue that might occur. >> >> So one should not promise (in a contractual sense) to add a feature or >> a bug fix to the official AOO release, since the contents of a release >> is determined by the PMC via their release votes, and not any one >> committer. >> >> >>> And the funding can go to either the individual or the project. So >> someone >>> can kick off a fundraiser for himself to submit a change, or the AOO PMC >>> could perhaps kick off a fundraiser that'd be paid to the ASF. >>> >>> Was there ever a page made about possible AOO-related business models? I >>> thought there was a discussion about it. >>> >> >> It was an idea for a blog post I had. It is still on my "list". But >> if we decide to do something with Catincan it could prompt an even >> earlier post. >> >> Regards, >> >> -Rob >> >>> Don >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Donald Whytock >> wrote: >>> >>>> Working my way down the crowdfunding list found at >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_crowd_funding_services >>>> >>>> ...I find Catincan (catincan.com). Catincan lets people start >>>> fundraising efforts for opensource software feature development, but >> only >>>> existing developers on existing projects. You can't use Catincan to >> start a >>>> new project, and they won't accept your fundraising drive unless you're >> an >>>> existing developer. >>>> >>>> Not sure how this would apply to AOO...whether being a committer on the >>>> project would be considered being a developer, and whether said >> committer >>>> could accept funds on his own behalf to do coding as opposed to it >> having >>>> to go to the ASF. That would take an inquiry. >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM, janI wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 25 April 2013 13:38, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Donald Whytock >> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hey all... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We talked a couple months ago about a Kickstarter-like scheme for >>>>> paying >>>>>>> for bug fixes and enhancements. Actually, it seems this sort of >> thing >>>>>>> exists in the other direction: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://en.wiki
Re: Results from AOO 4.0 Logo Poll
On May 6, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Donald Whytock wrote: > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > >> I personally wouldn't lose any time redesigning the visual identity UNLESS >> the new design is clearly superior with the old one, and there's concensus >> that there's SOMETHING WRONG with the old one to begin with. >> > > Well, a woman did say a bit back that the seagulls were similar to what's > used on a feminine hygeine product... The same was said about the iPad. Regards, Dave > > Don - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Got a problem
Copy to Oliver Trautmann - Non-Subscribed Poster Original Message From: janI To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:12:46 +0200 > On 9 May 2013 11:05, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > >> On Thu, 9 May 2013 01:53:21 -0700 (PDT) >> Oliver Trautmann wrote: >> >>> I don't know enough about computers to figure it out on my own and >> nothing at your website helps; my English (US) spellchecker marks every >> word as misspelled and that's annoying on so many levels. >>> >>> Help >>> >>> Oliver >> >> Delete your User Profile Details are at >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426 >> and restart OpenOffice _completely_ (Easiest to power of /on your >> computer, with proper shutdown). >> >> If that doesn't work, please post a query to the Forum at >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ >> >> It does not need to be soo bad, even though I should know better Writer > gave me the same problem sometime ago. > > I have multiple languages installedand writer had for some obscure > reason decided that my english document was spanish, after a bit of > research (looking at the status line) I found the problem...simple solution > select all, and set language. > > rgds > jan I. > >> >> -- >> Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Statistic over committer activity.
On May 11, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: >> +1 +1 +1 ... >> >> When a project that is committed to working in public raises the draw >> bridge, circles the wagons, or goes dark in any way, the detractors win by >> seeing their insecurities and animosities confirmed in us. > > And no one has said otherwise. My point is merely that one should be > careful about labeling a data point "this year" in comparison with > "last year" if this year is not actually 12 months long yet. This is > not rocket science, but it does require some thinking to appreciate > that the comparisons are sloppy and will be likely confused by the > casual reader of the list. > > >> Be of strong heart and goodwill. Stay the course. >> >> - Dennis >> >> PS: I am vicariously proud of the work that Rob Weir does to provide an >> account for data sources and what the analytics are for the resulting tables >> and visuals. That is great, transparent work. When others provide concrete >> improvements, rather than using the unavoidable uncertainties to impeach the >> work, it raises the bar for all of us. There are those whose adversarial >> view of the world only admits the blemishes and not the accomplishments. I >> am pleased that such impoverished views be ignored in favor of furthering >> the Apache Way. > > My suggestion for improvement, in case you missed it, was to compare > equal time periods, e.g. January-April 2012 with January-April 2013. Even those types of comparisons are difficult. For example to look at number of file commits in 2011 would see a lot of arist, Kay and wave activity which was entirely related to AL2 headers and transferring OOo-site. Also people's activity ebbs and flows as a function of interest and workload. Currently my workload is very high. Lots of 12 hour days at $dayjob. Regards, Dave > > -Rob > >> -Original Message- >> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] >> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 06:23 >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Statistic over committer activity. >> >> [ ... ] >> >> We chose to respect the Apache Way and hold all our discussions in >> public: all project planning is done on this public list. This is a big >> challenge. We have no other channels, so any discussions on how to >> attract new developers and any supporting figures that can help that >> kind of discussions belong necessarily here. >> >> On the other side, people who've been around for a while know (and now >> Jan knows too!) that numbers that may be functional to support certain >> claims will be selectively taken and republished without any kind of >> disclaimers or analysis. This happens and will continue to happen, and >> if people cannot find figures on this list they will make them up, or >> hand-wave, or whatever. >> >> [ ... ] >> >> So, more than the numbers themselves (all numbers have problems, >> especially when analyzing commits and doing that over different periods >> of time), let's keep the good discussion on how we can make contributing >> easier for newcomers and occasional contributors. We will always need it. >> >> Regards, >> Andrea. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster
Original Message From: Peter Junge To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:31:24 +0800 > On 4/16/2013 11:04 AM, Peter Junge wrote: >> On 4/16/2013 7:19 AM, RGB ES wrote: >>> 2013/4/16 Donald Whytock >>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an > autoresponse > that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might > not > see responses to your email. Subscribe by clicking here!"? > > Far as I can tell, the answer is no. Is this something that can be done? >>> >>> I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people >>> will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better >>> message >>> could be "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not >>> see >>> responses to your email. Read all the messages sent to the list here >>> or subscribe by clicking here". >> >> Very good idea. > > Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution > works for infra? > > Best regards, > Peter > > >> >> Peter >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster
Original Message From: janI To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:38:59 +0200 > On 14 May 2013 11:31, Peter Junge wrote: > >> On 4/16/2013 11:04 AM, Peter Junge wrote: >> >>> On 4/16/2013 7:19 AM, RGB ES wrote: >>> 2013/4/16 Donald Whytock On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock > wrote: > > When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an >> autoresponse >> that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might >> not >> see responses to your email. Subscribe by clicking here!"? >> >> >> Far as I can tell, the answer is no. Is this something that can be > done? > > I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better message could be "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not see responses to your email. Read all the messages sent to the list here or subscribe by clicking here". >>> >>> Very good idea. >>> >> >> Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution >> works for infra? >> > > I cannot find an open jira issue, so problaly not. There has been a couple > of mail threads with infra to the subject. > > I think the right way would be to file an issue, not with the discussion, > but with the outcome and a request for it to be implemented. > > rgds > jan I. > >> >> Best regards, >> Peter >> >> >> >>> Peter >>> >>> --**--**- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> >> --**--**- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Request for Blog Access
Hi Don, You should have received your invitation. Regards, Dave On May 15, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > Hi Marcus/Dave... > > I have a Roller account now, and my proposal went through for blog access. > Please grant blog access to "dwhytock". > > Thanks... > > Don - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official code signing certificate
Hi Rob, This is a very well written summary of the situation with Code Signing. The main concern that the ASF has with digitally signing with a singular apache.org certificate for the whole foundation is keeping it in strict control. For some this means physical machines. This is a high bar. I wonder if the ASF would allow AOO to experiment with an OpenOffice.org codesigning certificate? We never thought we would get the wildcard certificate, but hey who knows? Regards, Dave On May 24, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > And I should mention that pushing the code signing side is probably > premature until we have the build side more solidly automated. > > Every discussion we have had code signing led to the conclusion that > if something is signed it must come from a trusted build traceable to > an SVN revision. So the pre-req for code signing would be to get the > Windows and MacOS builds, in full release form, with all languages, > built via buildbots. > > So moving this forward means moving forward things like: > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4902 > > Then it would be possible to introduce daily builds signed with a > self-signed test certificate. And then, once this is working > end-to-end, we would use a real certificate. > > Code signing is well-understood. It has been part of Windows > development for nearly 20 years. The technology is not novel, hard to > understand or difficult to implement. The main issues are more > procedural than technical. ASF projects have a release procedure that > is decentralized, whereas code signing works most cleanly in a > centralized/controlled release environment. That is why the initial > focus should be on getting the releases spun directly from the > buildbots, traceable to approved source revisions. > > -Rob > > > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM, janI wrote: >>> On 24 May 2013 22:30, Juergen Schmidt wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am Freitag, 24. Mai 2013 um 19:50 schrieb janI: >>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> >>>>> we are not alone in ASF wishing code signing, but we might get run over >>>> (as >>>>> I did today on IRC) if we do not formulate our requirements very clearly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> decisions are made on mailing lists, correct? That is what I learned at >>>> Apache, what not happened on a mailing list, is not relevant ;-) >>>> Well it seems that infra is always special. >>>> I tried several times to discuss it on the infra mailing list and I >>>> believe I have described very clearly what we need and how it works today >>>> for OpenOffice if we would have a cert. I also proposed a solution that can >>>> work from my point of view and I started to collect the info on a wiki page >>>> as suggested. >>>> There might be other solutions to do it but I have no in place and nobody >>>> convinced me that my proposed approach can not work. >>>> I agree that it's not easy and I simply have no energy to discuss further >>>> at the moment. I have enough other things to do. >>>> >>>> Juergen >>>>> >>>>> rgds >>>>> jan I. >>>>> >>>>> -- Forwarded message -- >>>>> From: Scott Deboy >>>>> Date: 24 May 2013 18:59 >>>>> Subject: Re: Official code signing certificate >>>>> To: infrastructure-...@apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Logging Services has a simple requirement: >>>>> >>>>> Have the Chainsaw build artifacts signed by a Java code signing cert >>>>> that is signed by a trusted/root CA so the jars can be downloaded via >>>>> WebStart without the user receiving a warning that the signed jars >>>>> aren't trusted. >>>>> >>>>> The Chainsaw maven script supports signing jars - infra just needs to >>>>> point it to the cert. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know whether or not an ASF-wide Java code signing cert makes >>>>> sense or a Logging Services-specific Java code signing cert makes >>>>> sense. I don't even know if it is possible to have TLP-specific Java >>>>> code signing certs. I defer to infra on that decision. >>>>> >>>>> I believe the code signing service WRowe described will meet our >>>
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed further schedule towards AOO 4.0
On May 27, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:58 PM, janI wrote: >> On 27 May 2013 17:17, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to discuss our further schedule towards AOO 4.0 and the >>> problems I see. And I would like to discuss a proposal how to address >>> these problems. >>> >>> We are behind our schedule a little bit and we have identified some >>> problems regarding the 64bit port on MacOS that I will try to explain >>> below (hopefully without too many technical details that everybody can >>> understand it). >>> >>> Proposal >>> >>> - Move MacOS 64 bit version to 4.1 and merge stlport relevant changes >>> (all platforms) asap into trunk and include them in AOO 4.0. >>> >>> - Move into showstopper mode next week, beginning with June 3th. Means >>> we integrate only showstopper flagged issues and new translations. And >>> potentially new art work if we get a new logo and icons in time. >>> Deadline for new art work should be June 10th. >>> >>> I understand your motivation and will not be the showstopper. but my >> honest opion is that the reasons for calling it 4.0 get very thin. >> > > You might want to put your negative quotes into their own threads to > make it easier for those opposed to the project to find it and put it > into Wikipedia or an article. > >> Getting a 64 bit release for mac (and possible in linux) is something (as >> you write) for a major version and not a minor version like 4.1. >> > > We already have Linux 64 bit. > >> I am against (but will vote -0) of making a release just to hold the >> deadline, I would very much prefer to see what a realistic deadline would >> be. >> > > Fortunately publishing a release at Apache requires only three +1 PMC > votes and there are no vetos. The process is biased toward making it > easy to release. The main process is mechanical. My check list: (1) Is the packaging complete? (2) Are the signatures and checksums on the packages correct? (3) Is the signature that of the Release Manager? (4) Are the LICENSE and NOTICE file included and correct? (5) Does the source release match a checkout of the release tag from svn? (6) Is the RAT report on the source package clean? If not, are only a few files incorrect? If any of the above is a definitive "NO" then I am "-1" for good technical reasons. An answer of "NO" to (6) becomes a judgement call on the meaning of "few". If all are "YES" then I am "+1". Following the above protects our users by assuring that the IP is properly licensed and that released packages can be authenticated by them. (Leaving out the fact that this authentication is hard and non-standard. Leaving out any discussion about digital signatures.) Given the large number of packages in our releases I would like to discuss how we can automate performing our checks. A good starting point would be configuration that is used to support the download page. Regards, Dave > > -Rob > >> rgds >> jan I. >> >> Ps. You do a great job as release manager, but someone has to be "devils >> advocate". >> >> >>> - Intensive QA with the stlport changes to detect potential problems >>> >>> - Create a AOO 4.0 branch 1 week later, June 10th, where we hopefully >>> have integrated already returned translations. >>> >>> - Translation deadline will be set to June 14th to have some time for >>> the integration and further testing. Further translations can we release >>> at a later time as a special language update release (TBD) >>> >>> >>> >>> I would still like to keep the end of June date because everything else >>> looks quite nice and we should give our users the new sidebar. >>> >>> A shifted release date won't really help us because we will move in the >>> vacation time and I think it is better to bring the 4.0 version out before. >>> >>> Once we have solved the mozilla problem for the 64bit version we can >>> decide if we want release a 4.1 immediately or later together with >>> further improvements, fixes and further languages. >>> >>> >>> Background Explanation >>> == >>> >>> Herbert did a great job with his ongoing work to port AOO to 64bit on >>> the MacOS platform. This work is mainly triggered and motivated by the >>> deprecation of some system abi's and
Re: Next steps for AOO 4.0 Logo Selection
On May 27, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > [This was cross-posted, so I'm not clear what list was intended. Makes > tracking the discussion difficult.] > > I'll bite: > > I prefer Chris's latest. The weight of the lettering is more powerful. I > think the "Apache" should not be so thin. The form used by Samer works > better. I also think down-scaling will work better in this case. > > As far as the orb goes, Chris's could be a tad larger, but not by much. I > prefer the orientation of the foreground bird to Kevin's, which has a more > threatening feel in my subjective experience. These are good observations. I would like to see it with an "ffi" ligature. I think we should leave the 4 out. Others have mentioned that 4 is an unlucky number is some cultures. Perhaps we have compromise and have both versioned and un-versioned logo designs. If so then I think a treatment like "Version 4.0" in grey and blue might work. Regards, Dave > > - Dennis > > PS: Interesting that we've come around to a close variant of the current logo. > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 03:22 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; market...@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Next steps for AOO 4.0 Logo Selection > > What we've done so far: > > 1) Called for logo submissions from the community > > 2) Many designers responded and we received 40 submissions. There was > a lot of "cross-fertilization" of ideas, as designers saw what others > had come up with, what worked, and borrowed ideas. > > 3) We did a survey of user responses to the 40 logo submissions. Over > 5000 users offered their ratings and written comments. > > 4) Publish report and blog post on the results of the logo survey. > > 5) Invited the designers of the top-rated logos to read over the > survey comments and refine their designs and submit an updated > version. > > That's where we are now. The updated logos (three of them) are on the wiki > now: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Stage+2+Logo+Refinement > > As you can see there is quite a bit of convergence on a design occurring. > > So what next? > > I'd like to propose some next steps. > > A) Let's discuss the three designs on the mailing list for the next > week. The discussion might lead to further refinement. > > B) If at the end of the week there is consensus on a single design > we'll go with that one. > > C) If at the end of the week there is not consensus on a single > design, and the discussion is not leading us closer toward consensus, > then we'll have a 72-hour vote of PMC members to pick the logo. > > Regards, > > -Rob > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Naming and Trademark Concerns
Hi - I just now reviewed Jürgen's latest snapshot build and I have some trademark concerns. The current UI and Help file seem to be out of Apache Branding policy[1][2] in two ways. (1) The most prominent use of the brand in many place is "OpenOffice" when it ought to be "Apache OpenOffice." This is the case in many places throughout the UI and Help files. (2) There is no trademark attribution in the application UI. I'm willing to help mitigate these issues if someone wants to point me towards the correct action. Regards, Dave [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Next steps for AOO 4.0 Logo Selection
Hi, Kevin's "book birds" use perspective drawing techniques and converge on the horizon. They are going somewhere. The standard gulls are more like two birds in the standard "wingman" formation. OpenOffice is your "wingman" to take you where you want to go. Regards, Dave On May 28, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > @Kevin, > > It never occurred to me that those were flying books. Taking another look, > it still doesn't work. If made more obviously as books, I'm not sure how > that will occur as indicative of an office productivity suite. (I have no > idea how birds in flight do that either, but it is probably better to avoid > trying for a literal connection.) > > - Dennis > > Looking Closer: > > The first visual distraction for me is the difference in orientation. The > foreground (larger) object is angled differently and it has a very different > feel. I don't know why. (One might be that your large foreground object > seems viewed from above, especially if it is supposed to be a book, whereas > in the other forms, it is easier to see them as viewed from below -- I get it > is totally an optical illusion that there is a particular viewpoint > orientation, but that is how they occur to me on first glance.) > > The only way I can visualize the book notion is that I am seeing an unfolded > piece of paper. If this is two facing pages of an open book, the problem is > there is nothing to suggest the rest of the book. > > I think this goes to show that seeing a book at the abstracted level of this > symbol is a definite stretch. > > "Your ideas taking flight" is a great catch-phrase though. That works with > any of them. In that regard, the symbol Chris used has the advantage of the > foreground wing extending beyond the edge of the orb. I tend to see that as > being in front of the orb, although one can also consider that we are seeing > them on the outside of a round aperture. My immediate subjective response is > to see the flyers in front of the orb. I have no idea how consistent that is > with the initial perception of others, if there is any consistency at all. > > As far as this kind of imagery goes, the flat symbol is an improvement on the > orb in the current logo, which has the appearance of a button or globe > standing on a surface. > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Grignon [mailto:kevingrignon...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 05:44 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Cc: marketing; dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Next steps for AOO 4.0 Logo Selection > > Hello all, > > I wanted to share some design rationale for the gull/book pages enhancement > in my logo. > > In my design I wanted to make the "gulls" into flying books. I made them > broader and more active. I was going for the whole, "OpenOffice helps give my > thoughts and ideas wings", versus "gills at sunset". > > Thoughts? > > Kevin > > [ ... ] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Naming and Trademark Concerns
On May 28, 2013, at 3:03 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 5/28/13 4:12 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On May 27, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >>> Hi - >>> >>> I just now reviewed Jürgen's latest snapshot build and I have some >>> trademark concerns. The current UI and Help file seem to be out of Apache >>> Branding policy[1][2] in two ways. >>> >>> (1) The most prominent use of the brand in many place is "OpenOffice" when >>> it ought to be "Apache OpenOffice." This is the case in many places >>> throughout the UI and Help files. >>> >> >> Can you give some examples? > > I agree we need concrete examples. We discussed the usage of OpenOffice > instead of Apache OpenOffice her eon the list weeks/month ago. I am > wondering why this pops up now. Understood. I took some time to search for uses of "productname" and there are a large number. Let's just say that I am bringing it up now so that we can start on it early for 4.1. We can add a shortproductname and choose when we say "Apache OpenOffice" and "OpenOffice". We need to do this in a way that helps the ASF and the AOO PMC defend the brand. Since this is large let's let this happen immediately after the 4.0 release. Let it be a branding effort, call it 4.1. > > The intro and about clearly state Apache OpenOffice. Many other > occurrences are simply OpenOffice, the term that all use normally. Let's pay attention to these screens as we update to the new logo and the below: > >> >>> (2) There is no trademark attribution in the application UI. >>> > > What exactly do you have in mind? > > We can add or change the intro image to > > ## > Apache, the Apache feather logo, and OpenOffice are trademarks of The > Apache Software Foundation. OpenOffice.org and the seagull logo are > registered trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. Other names > appearing on the site may be trademarks of their respective owners. > ## > > maybe we can add a short form to the start center but I am not sure. I > have never seen it in a prominent place in an application. Yes it can be something like this maybe a fourth tab. Trademarks on the dialog with Readme, License, and Notices. Since it is is legalese it can always be in English. Is this what you mean? If so, good. We also should write "TM and Copyright" on the About. > > But we can for sure add an untranslated version in the about box and the > intro How can I help? Regards, Dave > > Juergen > > >>> I'm willing to help mitigate these issues if someone wants to point me >>> towards the correct action. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html >>> [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New BZ Component: General/Legal
Hi Rob, On May 29, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> Description is: "Issues related to NOTICE, LICENSE files, trademarks >>> or similar legal or policy requirements." >>> >> >> Is this specifically issues internal to AOO? As opposed to reports of >> trademark abuse or requests for approval of trademark use? >> > > For issues related to the product itself. So on the trademark side > that would be quite narrow, e.g., a trademark statement in the About > box, and maybe recognition of 3rd party trademarks in printed > materials, e.g., "Microsoft Windows". I know where to go. :-) > > For permission on using trademarks and logos the process is to send > the request to the private mailing list: > http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html Good. Thank you. > > We're not currently tracking such requests in BZ. Nor should we. These are usually private matters. Regards, Dave > > -Rob > > >> Don > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Original Message From: Rob Weir To: dev@openoffice.apache.org , Dennis Hamilton Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:45:32 -0400 > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> I think if the "Apache" is made thicker by using Bold and a touch darker >> grey, it will work much better, at least as positioned in the Rottensteiner >> Stage 2 refinement. It also gives "Apache" more (symbolic) weight without >> overpowering the "OpenOffice" part. >> >> I agree one wants to use the best of resampled PNG and regenerated SVG at >> the lower size. Also, if the SVG has hints about the visually-intended size >> (at whatever pixel resolution), the fonts may be adjusted automatically to >> avoid excessive thinning at smaller presentation sizes. Then there are the >> tricks needed when rasterization also becomes significant. >> > > Right. And I hope that no one thinks that we're voting for pixels > carved in marble. We're voting on a design. I'd expect ordinary > technical adjustments to be made to suit the scale and medium of a > particular use. It should feel the same to a user, of course. That's > the advantage of having the vector source to a logo. With the current > logo it has been difficult to work with, since we only have the orb as > a bitmap. > > -Rob Maybe I am missing something here (very possible), but I have the current logo and a couple of variants in svg format. If required I would be happy to upload them. If someone would be kind enough to advise me how to create a public html page ~bmcs (like https://people.apache.org/~arielch/), I will put all the OOo & AOO related svg images I have collected there. Dave >> - Dennis >> >> I don't have enough personal knowledge about SVG implementations and font >> hinting (although Adobe has information about it). I do know that Knuth had >> to introduce anomorphic scaling into his fonts because the smaller ones >> would become visually too thin at the smaller point sizes if simply scaled >> geometrically. It's a human vision thing. He was producing images for >> production publishing systems and had a luxury of pixels; there was more >> involved that nudging pixel alignments. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 04:54 PM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0 >> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> Staring a [VOTE][DISCUSS] thread parallel to the [VOTE] thread. >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>> >>> . >>> . >>> . >>>> >>>> My comments with some very preliminary testing: the VERY LIGHT gray >>>> "Apache" in any form doesn't scale well going smaller. The very thin >>>> letters also don't scale well going smaller. >>>> >>> >>> How did you scale the image? By resizing the PNG file? If so that >>> probably doesn't give the optimal quality. >> >> >> yes, this is what I did... >> >> >>> If we resize from the SVG >>> source, and if the SVG references a vector font with "hinting", then >>> it is possible that the text will be clearer at smaller sizes. In >>> theory that should help with the letter scaling. Not sure about the >>> light gray. >>> >> >> Well maybe someone could resize appropriately. Our current "web" logo is >> only 200 x 100. I actually used 300 x ??? (kept the aspect ratio) and >> things were not great on any of these with that very light gray >> "Apache"...even slightly darker would help I think. >> >> >>> -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Original Message From: Rob Weir To: dev@openoffice.apache.org , Dennis Hamilton Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:45:32 -0400 > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> I think if the "Apache" is made thicker by using Bold and a touch darker >> grey, it will work much better, at least as positioned in the Rottensteiner >> Stage 2 refinement. It also gives "Apache" more (symbolic) weight without >> overpowering the "OpenOffice" part. >> >> I agree one wants to use the best of resampled PNG and regenerated SVG at >> the lower size. Also, if the SVG has hints about the visually-intended size >> (at whatever pixel resolution), the fonts may be adjusted automatically to >> avoid excessive thinning at smaller presentation sizes. Then there are the >> tricks needed when rasterization also becomes significant. >> > > Right. And I hope that no one thinks that we're voting for pixels > carved in marble. We're voting on a design. I'd expect ordinary > technical adjustments to be made to suit the scale and medium of a > particular use. It should feel the same to a user, of course. That's > the advantage of having the vector source to a logo. With the current > logo it has been difficult to work with, since we only have the orb as > a bitmap. > > -Rob Maybe I am missing something here (very possible), but I have the current logo and a couple of variants in svg format. If required I would be happy to upload them. If someone would be kind enough to advise me how to create a public html page ~bmcs (like https://people.apache.org/~arielch/), I will put all the OOo & AOO related svg images I have collected there. Dave >> - Dennis >> >> I don't have enough personal knowledge about SVG implementations and font >> hinting (although Adobe has information about it). I do know that Knuth had >> to introduce anomorphic scaling into his fonts because the smaller ones >> would become visually too thin at the smaller point sizes if simply scaled >> geometrically. It's a human vision thing. He was producing images for >> production publishing systems and had a luxury of pixels; there was more >> involved that nudging pixel alignments. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 04:54 PM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0 >> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> Staring a [VOTE][DISCUSS] thread parallel to the [VOTE] thread. >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>> >>> . >>> . >>> . >>>> >>>> My comments with some very preliminary testing: the VERY LIGHT gray >>>> "Apache" in any form doesn't scale well going smaller. The very thin >>>> letters also don't scale well going smaller. >>>> >>> >>> How did you scale the image? By resizing the PNG file? If so that >>> probably doesn't give the optimal quality. >> >> >> yes, this is what I did... >> >> >>> If we resize from the SVG >>> source, and if the SVG references a vector font with "hinting", then >>> it is possible that the text will be clearer at smaller sizes. In >>> theory that should help with the letter scaling. Not sure about the >>> light gray. >>> >> >> Well maybe someone could resize appropriately. Our current "web" logo is >> only 200 x 100. I actually used 300 x ??? (kept the aspect ratio) and >> things were not great on any of these with that very light gray >> "Apache"...even slightly darker would help I think. >> >> >>> -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: updates.openoffice.org
within the next 72 >>> hours, >>>>> it >>>>>> will be implemented as you propose. >>>>> >>>>> An extra step will be needed. Presumably we want the Apache CMS >>>>> enabled so it publishes files from the SVN dir to the website dir. >>>>> This doesn't happen automatically. >>>> >>>> that is not only an extra step, that can turn out to be a bigger >>> challenge. >>>> Having CMS enabled >>>> is a very valid request, but then please choose a location inside the >>>> web-site where CMS is already enabled. >>> >>> We already have two separate CMS publish targets from our SVN: /site >>> (openoffice.apache.org) and /ooo-site (www.openoffice.org). Having a >>> third one should not be a problem. I'd like to avoid the complexity >>> that would occur if we had the same SVN dir connected to two different >>> CMS targets. >> >> of course it can be done its software, its just more work and more admin >> afterward. >> >> You would not have one svn dir connected to two different cms targets if >> target dir is inside www.openoffice.org (which is what I suggested). >> >> updates.openoffice.org is logically just a pointer, and would normally >> point inside the www domain (that is the simple solution), but can point >> outside the www domain (which requires changes to httpd.conf, and an extra >> cms setup). > > from Oliver's commmunication [1], it seems that updates.openoffice.org has > been suggested to be *outside* the current web site domain, and followed by > his comments -- > > "My opinion: I believe it would be good to have the update resources > separated from the website resources. It would mean to move > ^/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/aoo40/check.Update to > ^/openoffice/updates-site/trunk/aoo40/check.Update" > > I feel we should NOT point the new update to any area within the existing > www domain (we had some BIG problems initially trying to enable updates > through the web server), so a new CMS would be needed. Hopefully, this is > not a horrendous task. Infra will likely svnpubsub the new part of svn that has the update logic as bare files. Projects are not required to use CMS, but are required to use svnpubsub, I see no reason this needs to be pushed through CMS. None, it's too much extra work. Thanks Oliver and Jan. Regards, Dave > > > >> rgds >> jan I. >> >> >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >>>> rgds >>>> jan i. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> rgds >>>>>> jan I. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 05.06.2013 00:22, janI wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5 June 2013 00:05, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:59 PM, janI wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 4 June 2013 22:36, Andrea Pescetti >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 03/06/2013 Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think the concern is this: >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) We want SSL for 4.0.http://update.openoffice.org< >>>>>>>>>>> http://update.openoffice.org> is not HTTPS. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The URL https://ooo-site.openoffice.apache.org< >>>>> http://apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> https://ooo-site.openoffice.**apache.org< >>>>> https://ooo-site.openoffice.apache.org>> >>>>>>>>> supports SSL, but is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> not considered "long term stable". The URL is an artifact of >> the >>> CMS >>>>>>>>>>>> 3) We're looking for a stable URL. One could be >>>>>>>>>>>> https://updates.openoffice.org, but that requires an SSL >>> cert >>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> *.openoffice.org. But will that be supported in time for the >>> AOO >
Re: [VOTE] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
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Re: Draft blog post: When will OpenOffice version X be released?
On Jun 8, 2013, at 5:34 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 06/06/2013 Rob Weir wrote: >> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=when_will_openoffice_version_x >> Since we get this question frequently, I thought it would be good to >> have a canonical response we can point people to. > > It's good but I'd add pointers so that people who want to get involved can do > so. > > It is time to give more visibility to development snapshots, for example: a > link to > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshotfullsets > would help in getting more feedback. Or a link to any QA resource leading to > it. We don't want to make them too visible since they are unofficial, but > hiding them too much does not help either, especially when the release comes > closer. We can discuss developer snapshots on list, but I think it is outside of ASF policy to publish URLs elsewhere - like in Blog posts. We should point those interested in development to the dev ML and then on the ML point them to development resources ad hoc. > > Same for translations. It would be good to include a link to > http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html Definitely. Regards, Dave > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Location for logo source?
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On Jun 7, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/
>>>
>>> I like this area more. Maybe the images/AOO_logos is better for the
>>> concrete website PNG image, and the marketing/art/galleries area could
>>> be for the source, etc.? We can then set expectations/permissible
>>> uses, etc., on the existing web pages.
>>
>>
>> Seems good. Actually, we could even shorten it to
>> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/logos/
>> for better reachability in SVN ("art" would still be meaningful, but
>> "galleries" seems misleading). This is just a minor preference of course.
>
> I checked it in earlier just so those who are interested in helping
> with it can access it:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/
>
> I'd like to clean up the /marketing tree in general, to move the old
> logo(s) to a history page, etc. This whole area of the website is in
> need of a cleanup. Or maybe migration into the wiki? Most of the
> project-facing marketing work is probably better done on the wiki than
> in static pages. In the end I'd only want things like logos, where we
> do not want to give public write-access, to be in SVN.
>
> Make sense?
Yes +1. Thanks for your leadership on this.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
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Re: Certified DEVs
On Jun 9, 2013, at 7:36 AM, janI wrote: > On 9 June 2013 16:04, Ian Lynch wrote: > >> I noticed that LibreO has 26 Certified Developers. >> >> http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/developers/ >> >> While we have the concept of a committer here at AOO is there >> something specific for active code developers? Would it be worth >> considering such a thing? >> The LO page is more about the people who are "certified" coders. This is a functional equivalent to an svn auth list on the codebase - those AOO committers who work on the codebase as opposed to QA, Infra, Marketing and most importantly Translation. Apache is a flat organization. We don't make this distinction. Do we want to start playing a marketing game of numbers, or do we want to put our energy into writing the best code? [4] > > I think the committer status, covers much of the "certification", if we do > such a thing for developers, we should also do it for > QA, documenters etc. Exactly. If anything we should highlight our differences. We are an organization where active contribution and engagement of all kinds is important. It is community over code. [1] . > I do like the lo page, as such, because it clearly shows who (and from > where) are paid, and who are volunteers. Such a list would be nice to have > for newcommers, especially if it included a line or two about the interest > of each. We have built similar information. Committers just need to maintain it. It is currently in the CWiki here [2] Originally it was here [3] We could add more here, or we could describe that the project is a community of volunteers, etc. We could remind committers to update their details on the wiki or request help with doing so. Regards, Dave [1] http://communityovercode.com/ [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers [3] http://openoffice.apache.org/people.html [4] I don't want to restart this discussion, but this is one reason why I am against having a different svn auth list for the codebase unless there is a demonstrated problem. This may be done in private. If I have inexplicably changed my mind later then it will be because a real security threat to the AOO codebase is manifest. > > rgds > jan I. > >> >> -- >> Ian >> >> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications >> >> Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables >> >> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 >> >> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, >> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and >> Wales. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Certified DEVs
On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > My main thought was market confidence. If LO can say they have 26 > developers working on code it would be interesting to have a > comparison on a similar "like for like" basis. Before we can make a like for like comparison we need to understand the TDF process: From the page you cite: > Certified Developers are present TDF members, were nominated by the > Certification Committee, and subsequently peer-reviewed by the Engineering > Steering Committee. But there is also a disclaimer (with a grammatical error of translation): > Notes on the aforementioned entries: our list of certified developers is for > your information, alphabetically sorted, and not necessarily complete nor > up-to-date. Specifically does TDF not recommend nor endorse any of the listed > companies. Interested parties are asked to individually assess if the listed > companies are suitable for their respective requirements. If you notice > mistakes or inaccuracies, please inform us ati...@documentfoundation.org. Unless we can replicate this process I am afraid that any "like for like" comparison may be fodder for press FUD. We would need to use a publicly measurable approach like "more than X commits to the code base". It is likely that X would need to be supported by examining the commit logs of LO and comparing with their list finding the person with the least commits who is on their list. If someone can provide this comparison then I would support a blog post. This could also point to our full committer count to show that the project values all contributions. We can also emphasize that at the ASF it is individuals and not companies that are contributing. Regards, Dave > > On 9 June 2013 17:24, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> On Jun 9, 2013, at 7:36 AM, janI wrote: >> >>> On 9 June 2013 16:04, Ian Lynch wrote: >>> >>>> I noticed that LibreO has 26 Certified Developers. >>>> >>>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/developers/ >>>> >>>> While we have the concept of a committer here at AOO is there >>>> something specific for active code developers? Would it be worth >>>> considering such a thing? >>>> >> >> The LO page is more about the people who are "certified" coders. This is a >> functional equivalent to an svn auth list on the codebase - those AOO >> committers who work on the codebase as opposed to QA, Infra, Marketing and >> most importantly Translation. >> >> Apache is a flat organization. We don't make this distinction. Do we want to >> start playing a marketing game of numbers, or do we want to put our energy >> into writing the best code? [4] >> >>> >>> I think the committer status, covers much of the "certification", if we do >>> such a thing for developers, we should also do it for >>> QA, documenters etc. >> >> Exactly. If anything we should highlight our differences. We are an >> organization where active contribution and engagement of all kinds is >> important. It is community over code. [1] >> . >>> I do like the lo page, as such, because it clearly shows who (and from >>> where) are paid, and who are volunteers. Such a list would be nice to have >>> for newcommers, especially if it included a line or two about the interest >>> of each. >> >> We have built similar information. Committers just need to maintain it. >> >> It is currently in the CWiki here [2] >> >> Originally it was here [3] >> >> We could add more here, or we could describe that the project is a community >> of volunteers, etc. We could remind committers to update their details on >> the wiki or request help with doing so. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> [1] http://communityovercode.com/ >> [2] >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers >> [3] http://openoffice.apache.org/people.html >> >> [4] I don't want to restart this discussion, but this is one reason why I am >> against having a different svn auth list for the codebase unless there is a >> demonstrated problem. This may be done in private. If I have inexplicably >> changed my mind later then it will be because a real security threat to the >> AOO codebase is manifest. >> >>> >>> rgds >>> jan I. >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications >>>> >>>> Headline points in
Re: Congratulations to Andrea and Andrew!
On Jun 11, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Both Andrea Pescetti and Andrew Rist were among those elected as new >> ASF Members. >> >> Congratulations for the well-deserved recognition! >> >> -Rob >> > > YES! Congratulations indeed... > > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_welcomes2 Yes, congratulations indeed! Welcome to ASF Membership! Best Regards, Dave > > > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > > > -- > > MzK > > "You can't believe one thing and do another. > What you believe and what you do are the same thing." > -- Leonard Peltier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Article on the Register
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Kay Schenk >>> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Andrea Pescetti >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> RGB ES wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/6/11 Rob Weir >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Andre Fischer wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is sad that it has the usual misinformation: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I was quite surprised to read it. At least, if a journalist had to >>> pick a >>>>>> recent blog post from the OpenOffice blog, the one about release >>> schedules >>>>>> is definitely less interesting than other recent ones... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You should find the email of the publication's news editor and write a >>>>>>>>> polite yet firm complaint >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Or just post a comment. Andre, did you try doing so? Maybe they will >>>>>> rectify some clear factual errors in the article. I strongly recommend >>> that >>>>>> you post your comments there and not only here on the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So the best strategy is to ignore the the FUD and push accurate and >>>>>>>> useful information onto our website. That approach reaches more >>>>>>>> users, and is under our control. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1. Talking about sites like El Reg means promoting them, and >>> promotion >>>>>>> means more weight on search engines for those lies >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> +1, yes, it's untrue and insulting but our actions DO speak louder than >>>>> these words. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that the highly visible site is http://www.openoffice.org and not >>>>>> the blog; the site is linked to the blog only through a link that is >>> at the >>>>>> bottom of the page and, moreover, is hidden under a JavaScript layer. >>>>>> >>>>>> So something that we should do immediately is to create a simple block >>>>>> with the titles of our latest three blog posts (from the official >>> blog) and >>>>>> put it on the homepage. And keep it updated manually, at least when >>> it's >>>>>> worth doing so. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A good idea! I too feel the blogs are a bit too submerged. Let's see >>> what >>>>> we can come up with for this. >>>>> >>>> >>>> How about adding it to the top-nav, where we currently have: >>>> >>>> Product >>>> Download >>>> Support >>>> Extend >>>> Develop >>>> Focus Areas >>>> Native Language >>>> >>>> Put a new entry there for "News" or "Blog" and have that link to the >>> blog. >>>> >>> >>> I went ahead and did this. Easily reversible if we don't like it. >>> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/ >>> >>> -Rob >>> >> >> Well...I would have preferred calling it something else besides "News" >> because now I think it's confused/associated with the left "News" items. >> > > Oh, good point. > >> When Andrea brought this up, I guess I was thinking he wanted actual Blog >> headlines listed/highlighted, but maybe the top nav bar is good if we come >> up with something a bit more "catchy". But...I got nothin. :/ >> > > The problem we have (and maybe this is not a problem but just a > different form of success) is that the blog is now updated quite > frequently, but the stories on the home page never seem to change.
Re: AOO 4.0 Logo: We're not done yet!
On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > In case you are not following the discussion on the dev list, Juergen, > the 4.0 Release Manager, has proposed an endgame schedule for the AOO > 4.0 release: > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201306.mbox/%3C51C16876.402%40gmail.com%3E > > The date relevant to the logo is Monday July 1th. That is the > deadline for getting the logo changes integrated into Subversion for > the OpenOffice product. > > Changes on the website and social networking don't have a hard > deadline and can come later, perhaps synched up with the actual > release of AOO 4.0, which is planned for later in July. > > So what needs to be done? > > 1) Kevin said he wanted to make some fine tuning of the text kerning > in the logo. > > 2) Alexandro said something about adjusting the colors. But I'm not > certain I understood that correctly. > > 3) We need to update the graphics in the product. And there are a lot > of them, around 25 of them, which I've laboriously transcribed onto > the wiki: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Product+Logo+Use > > Most of them will be simple. It is just a matter of replacing one > logo with another, and preserving the right formats, dimensions, color > depths, etc. > > A few exceptions, of placements which will require some more thought: > > a) The splash screen is here: > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png > > It has integrated text and graphics and the text is rather ugly. Can > we do better here? This is a place where some "wow" is appropriate. Consider (1) Take the logo SVG (2) Add "4" (3) Scale to the 550 x 365 px size. (4) Add updated and well written text in the same font. (5) Add quality Apache Feather. (6) Include trademark. (7) Cool contextual graphics? (8) Create a PNG from the SVG. Regards, Dave > > b) Some of the placements have "high contrast" versions, needed for > when this mode is enabled in the operating system. This improves > visibility for users with low vision. For example: > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/framework/res/backing_hc.png > > I think we need to consult with someone with expertise in this to know > exactly what we should be doing here. > > c) This is from the SDK install: > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/inc_sdkoo/windows/msi_templates/Binary/Image.bmp > > As you can see it is a more elaborate, 3D image showing > "OpenOffice.org" in the title bar. This will require someone skilled > with their graphics editor to replace that text and make it look > natural. Or redo the image. > > So plenty of work to do here for anyone who is good with a graphics > editor and wants to help. > > But first we need Kevin and Alexandro to make their changes to the > master SVG. After that we can work in parallel on the remaining > pieces. > > The master SVG, from Chris, is here: > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/ > > We have a little more than a week to do this, so can I strongly > suggest that Kevin and Alexandro make their changes ASAP, and by > Monday June 24th at the latest? > > Thanks! > > -Rob > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Can somebody please commit the update of the de-websites
On Jun 21, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: > Am 21.06.2013 17:06, schrieb Rob Weir: >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM, RA Stehmann >> wrote: >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> I can understand your concerns, but they aren't drasticly. >>> >>> I'm with you, that we have to make clear, the Box isn't a product of the >>> ASF but distributed by the "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..". >>> >>> But on the other hand the "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V.." isn't >>> any old third party. >>> >> >> We need to be fair. Treating one 3rd party special is not fair. > > Treating equal things unequal isn't fair, but it's also unfair treating > unequal things equal. You have to make the decision, what's equal and > whd what's unequa and in what aspect. That's the sense of "suum cuique > tribuere". My recollection of the discussion was. (1) Have a 3rd party page. (2) Each language may have their own 3rd party page. (3) Each language can have their own news feed. (4) Each news item may link to a 3rd party page. Conclusion. DE page can have news about PrOOo and point to a link on the 3rd party page. Do we all agree? Regards, Dave >> >>> It's a charitable german entity supporting Free office software. It's >>> still supporting Apache OpenOffice. The computer an the monitor at our >>> Fosdem stand were provided by "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..". >>> >>> Disclaimer: I'm no member of that club, but know persons who are. >>> >>> So IMO it's ok to put that news in the news line of the homepage, making >>> clear, who's the distributor of that product. >>> >> >> I'd be much happier if the German community listened to what I am >> saying and took steps to address the full issue. IMHO you need to add >> a page that gives equal access to all 3rd party ports and >> distributions, and not just favor a single one with a news >> announcement. > > see above. > > IMO you like to treat uneqal things equal. > > Making a page presenting third party products makes sense. > > But it don't makes sense, presenting all third party products in the > news. And it makes IMO sense presenting the box there. > >> >> If you then give announcements of updates to these distributions, >> whenever they occur, and do such announcements fairly, not for just a >> single 3rd party, then this might be OK. So if you really want to >> move this forward I'd highly recommend creating and maintaining a >> German version of the porting page: >> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ >> > > Doing one thing doesn't mean to drop another. > > Regards > Michael > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[PROPOSAL] Language Specific Third Party Pages
Hi - To make it official and so that we are all clear. The following rules apply to links to third party products and related new announcements only. (1) Have a project wide 3rd party page in English. (2) Each language community may choose to have a separate 3rd party page. (For example a Germanophone third party page.) (3) Each language may choose to maintain their own news feed to make language community specific announcements. (4) A news item may link to any 3rd party page in openoffice.org. (5) 3rd party pages may link to 3rd parties. Who the 3rd party is should be clear on 3rd party page. It should be clear that the 3rd party is not the ASF and is not the Apache OpenOffice Project. Conclusion. DE page can have news about PrOOo and point to a Germanophone 3rd party page. Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Can somebody please commit the update of the de-websites
On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> >> On Jun 21, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: >> >>> Am 21.06.2013 17:06, schrieb Rob Weir: >>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM, RA Stehmann >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>> >>>>> I can understand your concerns, but they aren't drasticly. >>>>> >>>>> I'm with you, that we have to make clear, the Box isn't a product of >> the >>>>> ASF but distributed by the "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..". >>>>> >>>>> But on the other hand the "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V.." >> isn't >>>>> any old third party. >>>>> >>>> >>>> We need to be fair. Treating one 3rd party special is not fair. >>> >>> Treating equal things unequal isn't fair, but it's also unfair treating >>> unequal things equal. You have to make the decision, what's equal and >>> whd what's unequa and in what aspect. That's the sense of "suum cuique >>> tribuere". >> >> My recollection of the discussion was. >> >> (1) Have a 3rd party page. >> >> (2) Each language may have their own 3rd party page. >> >> (3) Each language can have their own news feed. >> >> (4) Each news item may link to a 3rd party page. >> >> Conclusion. >> >> DE page can have news about PrOOo and point to a link on the 3rd party >> page. >> >> Do we all agree? >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> > > Could these points be placed in their own [PROPOSAL] thread so they could > be discussed on their own? > > If we could do that and either vote, or at least have a consensus, I think > it would be a good idea to further clarify this topic by adding a new "Web > guidelines" page to the project site -- http://openoffice.apache.org/ Done. I certainly want to separate this ... let's move forward. Saying less can be saying more. (A paraphrase of Mies van der Rohe's "Less is More") Regards, Dave > > > >>>> >>>>> It's a charitable german entity supporting Free office software. It's >>>>> still supporting Apache OpenOffice. The computer an the monitor at our >>>>> Fosdem stand were provided by "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..". >>>>> >>>>> Disclaimer: I'm no member of that club, but know persons who are. >>>>> >>>>> So IMO it's ok to put that news in the news line of the homepage, >> making >>>>> clear, who's the distributor of that product. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'd be much happier if the German community listened to what I am >>>> saying and took steps to address the full issue. IMHO you need to add >>>> a page that gives equal access to all 3rd party ports and >>>> distributions, and not just favor a single one with a news >>>> announcement. >>> >>> see above. >>> >>> IMO you like to treat uneqal things equal. >>> >>> Making a page presenting third party products makes sense. >>> >>> But it don't makes sense, presenting all third party products in the >>> news. And it makes IMO sense presenting the box there. >>> >>>> >>>> If you then give announcements of updates to these distributions, >>>> whenever they occur, and do such announcements fairly, not for just a >>>> single 3rd party, then this might be OK. So if you really want to >>>> move this forward I'd highly recommend creating and maintaining a >>>> German version of the porting page: >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ >>>> >>> >>> Doing one thing doesn't mean to drop another. >>> >>> Regards >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > > > -- > - > MzK > > "If you stick with a vision, it might not all work, > but some of it will be absolute genius." > -- Kim Cattrall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Contributing Existing Works [Was: Re: Can somebody please commit the update of the de-websites]
On Jun 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Peter Junge wrote: > On 6/21/2013 9:59 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: >> Hello, >> >>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] >> >>>> What is the problem? >>>> >>> >>> The CD is not from the Apache OpenOffice project. It was not reviewed >>> and approved for release by the project. It is a 3rd party product. >>> The website says it is from "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..": >> >> No, this is absolutely *not* true! >> >> The "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V.." is NOT the creator of the >> PrOOo-box, but that's us (Detlef, Jan and I) three members of the >> AOO-Community in Germany. >> >> You can see my entry here: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers >> >> and I can gladly Jan and Detlef ask to register there. >> >> The "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V. is the *only* one who pays us the >> hosting of the Box (850 euros per year). >> >> *We would be pleased if the Apache paid. Apache wants to do that?* > > As far as I understand the Apache way: Apache products must be hosted by > Apache infrastructure(*), but as the PrOOo-Box certainly contains also > non-Apache products it cannot be hosted at Apache. Seems a Catch-22 to me. > Does someone has any good idea how to fix this? It would certainly be a good > thing to continue the PrOOo-Box within the AOO community. > > (*) Apache strictly requires to avoid community fragmentation like it had > happened with OOo. I would like to continue this discussion with a different approach. Let's discuss the process for PrOOo-Box to become part of the Apache OpenOffice product. There are several steps and it is worth exploring. Of course I must preface this with "I am not a lawyer." The following would need to be considered: (1) License / IP Clearance. A review of the non-Apache products included in PrOOo-Box is necessary. If these are compatible then it is possible to include them in a "release". If not then they are other considerations which would depend on packaging and all kinds of legal and technical challenges. (2) Copyright. If the three of you own the unique aspects then you may need to re-license these to AL2.0 - the Apache LIcense. (3) Individual Contributor License Agreements (ICLA) help. If there is a large amount of unique IP then a Software Grant may be requested. (4) The AOO PMC would have to accept the donation through a VOTE or LAZY CONSENSUS. We can all learn something from the PrOOo-box team. Regards, Dave > > Best regards > Peter > > > > > > >> >>> But these are still 3rd party distributions. >> >> No, this is the Box of german Members of the AOO-Community! >> >> >> But that is not the problem, because the question is a Others, namely how we >> can make local work on AOO when we can not even provide information users >> need? >> >> A notice in a news-teaser is anyway only a temporary entry. What is the >> problem? >> >> >> Rob, you have, tell me here on the list, the following: >> >> * it's okay to get involved locally for AOO and Apache welcomes such >> activities >> >> * I should self make a choice >> >> >> However, I live in Germany, and here I know the OpenOffice users for more >> than 8 years, and I know what users need for assistance. >> And we all have to do something otherwise AOO lost in Germany. Sorry, but >> that *is* the truth. >> >> >>> So we are fair and we don't give special prominence to any single 3rd >>> party distribution. >> >> But that is *not* what is needed. >> >> There shall be *no* permanent link, but only a *temporary* news-teaser. This >> teaser is automatically replaced by someone else, as soon as there are new >> news. >> >> What is the problem? >> >> >> >> Greetings, >> Jörg >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: missing mails (to moderators)
Original Message From: janI To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:34:17 +0200 > Hi. > > Our mwiki have tried to sent mail to dev@openoffice.apache.org > > I have created a new user WikiAdmin with dev@ as e-mail, as a consequence > mwiki have sent confirmation mails to dev@ which needs to be replied to. > > I cannot see the mails on the list, so I assume that they are hold back on > some moderator list. > > Please confirm these mails, so mwiki can sent mail to dev@ > > thx in advance. > jan I. I have just released one of the confirmation emails to the dev list. I will leave you to do the rest. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Mercurial repository at hg.services.openoffice.org
On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: > > On 6/27/2013 9:00 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> The Mercurial repository at http://hg.services.openoffice.org/ is no longer >> current but it is still useful since it contains important historical >> information. >> >> It is still hosted by Oracle and it is now down. >> >> Any plans to restore it? > It will not be restored. (but there are copies in the wild, the > https://bitbucket.org/mst/ooo340 one mentioned in this thread, for instance) Two years was a long time. Thanks. Regards, Dave > Andrew >> We might also want to store it (read-only) somewhere at Apache, but that >> resource should remain available. >> >> Regards, >> Andrea. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Problem accessing web site
On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Pedro Marquez wrote: > Dear Sir: > > I´ve been trying to download the OpenOffice software from: > http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/ > > However, it always respond with: > > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/localized/es/3.4. > 1/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_Win_x86_install_es.exe/download > > Server not found > > > > I´ve asked to my systems administrator about, and he tells me that the > security system “Fortinet” we use blocks it. What can I do? (1) You can download from here: http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/files/localized/es/3.4.1/ But you don't get the mirror system offered by sourceforge.net to our project (and many other non-Apache.) (2) Ask Fortinet or your admin to whitelist sourceforge.net. Marcus/Kay - Have we thought more about offering downloads from the Apache Mirror system for these exceptional cases? Regards, Dave > > Thank you in advance, > > -Pedro Marquez, Prof. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Hello - new volunteer
Hello Open Office Developers: Good morning: I hope this eMail finds you well. My name is David Ashelman and I have bachelor degrees in computer information systems and mathematics. I really believe your software is very robust and extremely reliable. I have a lot of experience writing MSI database application setups also teaching computer theory to new MSI crafters. If I can help, then let me know how I can improve your already remarkable software. Since 1996, I've been a network administrator, a software design support engineer, an InstallShield technical trainer, a software Release/Build technician, a Windows migration consultant, and an application packaging engineer. I have good technical skills and experience with people and software engineering. * Two (2) Technical College Degrees (Computer Information Systems + Math) * Four (4) years of experience employed by the corporation Flexera, who made AdminStudio. I was responsible for supporting and training users of that software (Flexera Admin Studio) * I worked at InstallShield from 1999 - 2003 the time when software packaging began >From 2000-2003, I taught software application packaging, software design Best Practices, and Windows migration around the United States, Canada, & Great Brittan while working for Flexera, Macro Vision, or InstallShield. During that time, I saw how very difficult understanding software builds, releasing, and installs was for certain software application developers. So, instead of simply reciting the InstallShield product examples, I wrote a book illuminating and shedding light on hard to grasp concepts and how to best handle those concepts in computer data transfer. Multiple illustrations and mathematical proofs and equations explain everything you need to know to make great software and application installations. * Fourteen (14) years software build/release, software installation authoring, application packaging engineering, & Windows migrations >From 2003-13 I have been around the United States meeting great people, solving complex Windows migrations, solving software application packaging projects, creating software build releases, and authored multi-platform software installations. With a little luck, hopefully we can work together. I’d like to help you improve your software solutions. Your future is bright. Kind regards David W. Ashelman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Hello - new volunteer
Hi Dave, Welcome! The first step in volunteering is to subscribe to this dev list. If you would like to help us with building installation packages for WIndows platforms then you should start by learning how to build from here: http://openoffice.apache.org/source.html This may be a difficult place to start, but it would be a prerequisite to building an installation package. Please ask questions on the list as you explore. One of the big areas we need help is with secure digital signatures of installation artifacts. Anything that you could add to how we can make this happen in very few steps would be helpful. The ASF has strict standards which no one has met your expertise may prove helpful. Regards, Dave On Jul 6, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Dave Ashelman wrote: > Hello Open Office Developers: > Good morning: > I hope this eMail finds you well. My name is David Ashelman and I have > bachelor degrees in computer information systems and mathematics. > I really believe your software is very robust and extremely reliable. > > I have a lot of experience writing MSI database application setups also > teaching computer theory to new MSI crafters. If I can help, then let me > know how I can improve your already remarkable software. > Since 1996, I've been a network administrator, a software design support > engineer, an InstallShield technical trainer, a software Release/Build > technician, a Windows migration consultant, and an application packaging > engineer. > > I have good technical skills and experience with people and software > engineering. > * Two (2) Technical College Degrees (Computer Information Systems + Math) > * Four (4) years of experience employed by the corporation Flexera, who made > AdminStudio. I was responsible for supporting and training users of that > software (Flexera Admin Studio) > * I worked at InstallShield from 1999 - 2003 the time when software packaging > began > > From 2000-2003, I taught software application packaging, software design Best > Practices, and Windows migration around the United States, Canada, & Great > Brittan while working for Flexera, Macro Vision, or InstallShield. > > During that time, I saw how very difficult understanding software builds, > releasing, and installs was for certain software application developers. So, > instead of simply reciting the InstallShield product examples, I wrote a book > illuminating and shedding light on hard to grasp concepts and how to best > handle those concepts in computer data transfer. Multiple illustrations and > mathematical proofs and equations explain everything you need to know to make > great software and application installations. > > * Fourteen (14) years software build/release, software installation > authoring, application packaging engineering, & Windows migrations > > From 2003-13 I have been around the United States meeting great people, > solving complex Windows migrations, solving software application packaging > projects, creating software build releases, and authored multi-platform > software installations. > > With a little luck, hopefully we can work together. I’d like to help you > improve your software solutions. Your future is bright. > > Kind regards > > David W. Ashelman > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Jul 12, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> Does anyone have a script to verify signatures and hashes for a release? >> >> In previous releases I'd download everything and do some ad-hoc >> commands, but not as automated as it could be. Since we have a >> regular directory structure it should be possible to have a script >> that would verify everything and produce a report. > > unless you are trying to verify the download, there is no need to > download anything, just ssh to people.apache.org and check the > integrity in place once moved to the /www/www.apache.org/dist/ > folder. > Something like: > > arielch@~$ for i in > /home/jsc/public_html/developer-snapshots/RC/4.0.0/binaries/*/*.asc ; > do echo "Checking $i" && gpg2 --verify $i;done To properly vote on a release requires some verification steps. Rob's idea is one I have been thinking about as well. To the point of a 72 hour VOTE. I think that ONE WEEK would be good for the project if only because it would allow people to adjust their schedules. Personally I prefer the weekend, but a VOTE on Apache OpenOffice took me about 4-8 hours of work for 3.4 and 3.4.1 - and my time is committed this weekend. So, if I have time I'll vote. Otherwise, thanks and I trust the PMC to do what is best for the project. Regards, Dave > > > Regards > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] New localization requirements policy needed for releases
On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >> Am 07/14/2013 07:11 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Marcus (OOo) >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I tie up to Kay's suggestion to discuss a new policy. So, new topic, new >>>> thread. >>>> >>>> For reference here is the old policy: >>>> >>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria#Localization_requirements >>>> >>>> My new suggestion: >>>> >>>> 1. Don't make a difference between UI and Help. >>>> >>>> 2. Accepted translations that are 90% or better. >>>> >>>> 3. *Except* we have a big or strategic new feature like the Sidebar. This >>>> should be translated much better than 90%. >>>> >>>> Why? >>>> >>>> 1. Do we want to make differences between UI and help translation? Do >>>> average users accept English help topics for translated UI functions? I >>>> don't think so. >>>> >>>> 2. In the previous OOo project translations were accepted with 80% or >>>> better >>>> for a release. IMHO this is too low to offer a high quality release. >>>> >>>> 3. New features that are also promoted in release note, blog post, etc. >>>> should be fully translated as the attention of our users is high here. >>>> They >>>> want to give it a try and shouldn't be disappointed with not translated >>>> parts. >>>> >>>> And now, add your points. >>>> >>> >>> >>> I'd prefer to keep the current rule, 100% UI translation. But I'd be >>> open to requiring 100% for help as well. IMHO we should be raising >>> the bar, not lowering it. >>> >>> If there is a community willing and able to translate to 90% then >>> there should be community willing and able to translate to 100%. >>> There is no technical or community reason to stop at 90%. It is only >>> a question of time. I'd prefer we just wait for 100% translation and >>> then release it. >> >> >> Sure, 90% was just my suggestion to raise the bar from 80%. But to stick >> with 100% is much easier as it's all or nothing. >> >> >>> On the other hand, if a language is stuck at 90% and there are no >>> active volunteers, then I don't think we should release it. If it >>> will not get to 100%, then we're just release something that will >>> reflect poorly on us and will slowly degenerate from release to >>> release. >> >> >> Yes, if the language is no longer supported actively then we shouldn't >> release it. >> >> >>> In other words, if it is merely a case of waiting another month or two >>> and then releasing a high-quality 100% translation, then I think that >>> is better than releasing something only partially done. >>> >>> Also, there is the "slippery slope" here. If we allow 90% complete >>> then someone will beg for 89% complete, or 88% complete. >> >> >> But then we have to be strict as 99% is also near to 100%. ;-) >> >> >>> What I would favor is making builds available, maybe at the level of >>> AOO 4.0, in all languages that are "close", maybe 80% or 90%. Not for >>> release or distribution, but to help volunteers evaluate its current >>> state and help translate. >> >> >> Good point, +1. >> >> Do you think about a L10N release somewhen between releases or as a RC where >> it's clear from the beginning that it will not be released? >> > > In this specific case, for AOO 4.0, I'm suggesting we release any > additional languages that are 100% on September 16th. This is similar > to what we did for AOO 3.4.1. After that date I think we then wait > for AOO 4.1. I don't disagree with the policy of deadlines, but why September 16th? If some languages are ready sooner (like Traditional Chinese) it ought to be possible to have an earlier set. Perhaps we make it once a month? We also need to understand that there will be a certain length of time from a deadline to a language pack release. Is it one week? > You ask about an RC where it is not clear whether it will be released? > We may run into that issue if we have a beta for AOO 4.1. I don't > think all translations are com
Re: [DISCUSS] New localization requirements policy needed for releases
On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Marcus (OOo) >> wrote: >>> I tie up to Kay's suggestion to discuss a new policy. So, new topic, new >>> thread. >>> >>> For reference here is the old policy: >>> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria#Localization_requirements >>> >>> My new suggestion: >>> >>> 1. Don't make a difference between UI and Help. >>> >>> 2. Accepted translations that are 90% or better. >>> >>> 3. *Except* we have a big or strategic new feature like the Sidebar. This >>> should be translated much better than 90%. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> 1. Do we want to make differences between UI and help translation? Do >>> average users accept English help topics for translated UI functions? I >>> don't think so. >>> >>> 2. In the previous OOo project translations were accepted with 80% or >> better >>> for a release. IMHO this is too low to offer a high quality release. >>> >>> 3. New features that are also promoted in release note, blog post, etc. >>> should be fully translated as the attention of our users is high here. >> They >>> want to give it a try and shouldn't be disappointed with not translated >>> parts. >>> >>> And now, add your points. >>> >> >> >> I'd prefer to keep the current rule, 100% UI translation. But I'd be >> open to requiring 100% for help as well. IMHO we should be raising >> the bar, not lowering it. >> >> If there is a community willing and able to translate to 90% then >> there should be community willing and able to translate to 100%. >> > > In many cases, it is probably a "time" factor rather than an interest > factor. I'm not really familiar with the normal tracking and communication > between translation volunteers and developers on this list with respect to > release date targets, however. Maybe this needs improvement. > > > >> There is no technical or community reason to stop at 90%. It is only >> a question of time. I'd prefer we just wait for 100% translation and >> then release it. >> >> On the other hand, if a language is stuck at 90% and there are no >> active volunteers, then I don't think we should release it. If it >> will not get to 100%, then we're just release something that will >> reflect poorly on us and will slowly degenerate from release to >> release. >> > > yes, I agree. > > >> >> In other words, if it is merely a case of waiting another month or two >> and then releasing a high-quality 100% translation, then I think that >> is better than releasing something only partially done. >> >> Also, there is the "slippery slope" here. If we allow 90% complete >> then someone will beg for 89% complete, or 88% complete. >> > > again, agreement > > >> >> What I would favor is making builds available, maybe at the level of >> AOO 4.0, in all languages that are "close", maybe 80% or 90%. Not for >> release or distribution, but to help volunteers evaluate its current >> state and help translate. >> > > h...I don't know how this would mesh with Apache release policy. > > I guess what you're saying is they could be handled like development > snapshots, but ultimately fail the release test? We need to investigate > this. We need to VOTE to release whether or not it is an official source release or any type of binary convenience release. For the PMC vote on a language pack the bar to +1 won't be as high because the IP concerns differ. Regards, Dave > > > >> >> Regards, >> >> -Rob >> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 07/14/2013 05:43 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:42 AM, Juergen Schmidt>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Am Sonntag, 14. Juli 2013 um 06:35 schrieb imacat: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013/07/13 20:52, Ariel Constenla-Haile said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] New localization requirements policy needed for releases
On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Marcus (OOo) >>> wrote: >>>> I tie up to Kay's suggestion to discuss a new policy. So, new topic, new >>>> thread. >>>> >>>> For reference here is the old policy: >>>> >>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria#Localization_requirements >>>> >>>> My new suggestion: >>>> >>>> 1. Don't make a difference between UI and Help. >>>> >>>> 2. Accepted translations that are 90% or better. >>>> >>>> 3. *Except* we have a big or strategic new feature like the Sidebar. This >>>> should be translated much better than 90%. >>>> >>>> Why? >>>> >>>> 1. Do we want to make differences between UI and help translation? Do >>>> average users accept English help topics for translated UI functions? I >>>> don't think so. >>>> >>>> 2. In the previous OOo project translations were accepted with 80% or >>> better >>>> for a release. IMHO this is too low to offer a high quality release. >>>> >>>> 3. New features that are also promoted in release note, blog post, etc. >>>> should be fully translated as the attention of our users is high here. >>> They >>>> want to give it a try and shouldn't be disappointed with not translated >>>> parts. >>>> >>>> And now, add your points. >>>> >>> >>> >>> I'd prefer to keep the current rule, 100% UI translation. But I'd be >>> open to requiring 100% for help as well. IMHO we should be raising >>> the bar, not lowering it. >>> >>> If there is a community willing and able to translate to 90% then >>> there should be community willing and able to translate to 100%. >>> >> >> In many cases, it is probably a "time" factor rather than an interest >> factor. I'm not really familiar with the normal tracking and communication >> between translation volunteers and developers on this list with respect to >> release date targets, however. Maybe this needs improvement. >> >> >> >>> There is no technical or community reason to stop at 90%. It is only >>> a question of time. I'd prefer we just wait for 100% translation and >>> then release it. >>> >>> On the other hand, if a language is stuck at 90% and there are no >>> active volunteers, then I don't think we should release it. If it >>> will not get to 100%, then we're just release something that will >>> reflect poorly on us and will slowly degenerate from release to >>> release. >>> >> >> yes, I agree. >> >> >>> >>> In other words, if it is merely a case of waiting another month or two >>> and then releasing a high-quality 100% translation, then I think that >>> is better than releasing something only partially done. >>> >>> Also, there is the "slippery slope" here. If we allow 90% complete >>> then someone will beg for 89% complete, or 88% complete. >>> >> >> again, agreement >> >> >>> >>> What I would favor is making builds available, maybe at the level of >>> AOO 4.0, in all languages that are "close", maybe 80% or 90%. Not for >>> release or distribution, but to help volunteers evaluate its current >>> state and help translate. >>> >> >> h...I don't know how this would mesh with Apache release policy. >> >> I guess what you're saying is they could be handled like development >> snapshots, but ultimately fail the release test? We need to investigate >> this. >> > > I mean treat it *exactly* like we do a dev snapshot. It is not > advertised outside of the project. The only difference is it would > be built with the AOO 4.0 release code revision. Or think of itas > being an early build of the re-release of AOO 4.0 with additional > languages. Eventually, if/when the translation is completed, we have > a RC at that time, and a vote and then they are released. So a policy could be that we will build Dev Snapshots of Language Packs if the translation is over N%? Where N could be 80 or 75%? I think that this would encourage language
Re: [URGENT] AOO binary files are missing - Please help!
On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Roberto Galoppini > wrote: >> We couldn't find a valid top-level dir to even begin to look for the 4.0 >> files. >> Until we get precise instructions how to locate those files we can't >> populate our system and eventually our mirrors. >> >> Please help with this issue asap. >> > > Hi Roberto -- I think we're holding right now. We confirmed a last > minute crash bug on Windows 8. We're discussing in another thread > whether to respin the build. Regardless, someone does need to engage Infra on this issue in parallel. Regards, Dave > > -Rob > >> thanks, >> >> Roberto > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Draft Blog Post: Rejected
It is worth a mention that here was at least one -1 from a PMC member in the VOTE due to this issue - from Raphael. Regards, Dave On Jul 16, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > A quick and timely post: > > https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=rejected > > Regards, > > -Rob > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Possible show stopper on Windows 8, please verify
Putting on my Apache Member Hat. I do have an issue with skipping a re-vote. PMC members are checking signatures and checksums? And we are verifying that the source tag matches the RC for source? These are guaranteed to change with the re-spin. Let's not make a big deal out of our quality process and then skip a REQUIRED part of the Foundation's process. Thanks, Dave On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> On 7/16/13 1:06 PM, Peter Junge wrote: >>> On 7/16/2013 6:55 PM, Max Merbald wrote: >>>> Hi Jürgen, >>>> >>>> I just tried the same action with both AOO 4 without your dll file and >>>> with it, using even the very same file where I had that crash on June >>>> 22, but in neither case did I have a crash this time. I think I'll work >>>> a bit more with Openoffice 4 now and if anything of the kind happens >>>> again I'll report right away and write down the exact circumstances. I >>>> think it might be possible that it happens only in very special >>>> circumstances, maybe dependant on which other software you're running >>>> while working with AOO 4. >>> >>> I also gave it a try on Windows 8 (64 bit) and there's no sign of a >> crash. >>> >>> Elaborating further on particular conditions. Maybe it's related to >>> specific hardware, e.g. graphics card? >>> >>> @Samer: As you seem to be able to reproduce the issue constantly, do you >>> have any special hardware? >> >> it is not easy for me to decide at the moment. What do others think? A >> respin means rebuilding all platforms, signing and uploading the new >> files. And then another vote cycle of 72 hr. >> > > I don't have an issue with NOT re-voting. This is after all, ONE > (significant) bug fix as opposed to the integrity of the whole product. > Will changed source with one date be a problem with existing sig files? > That's my only concern. > > >> >> I personally will run into a time problem because I have to move into a >> new flat and will be offline for some days until Thursday of next week. >> It's no big deal and somebody else can do the work and a good release is >> of course important ;-) >> > > >> >> If we want a respin than we have to decide today and ideally until 3:00 >> pm (UTC +2). >> >> >> Juergen >> >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 16.07.2013 11:48, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: >>>>> On 7/16/13 9:56 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: >>>>>> On 15.07.2013 22:47, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Samer Mansour >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I logged my comments in the bug, I searched the db before I opened >>>>>>>> a new >>>>>>>> bug sorry if its a duplicate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is windows 8 64-bit. Crashes on copy and cut. Paste seems to >>>>>>>> not be >>>>>>>> affected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The four steps Rob gave in the bug are the minimum required steps to >>>>>>>> reproduce. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> An update on this crash. I was eventually able to reproduce it on >>>>>>> Windows 8, 64-bit. This was an initial install, not an upgrade. >>>>>>> Samer saw it on an upgrade install. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I worked on the stack trace with Herbert (fortunately my Windows 8 >>>>>>> machine had a debugger installed). Herbert gave me a patch to test. >>>>>>> It appears to work on my machine. We're waiting to hear back from >>>>>>> Samer on whether it worked for him. >>>>>> If anyone else was able to reproduce the problem then we'd love to >> know >>>>>> whether the DLL at http://people.apache.org/~hdu/sysdtrans.dll >>>>>> solves the problem. It contains the patch I suggested in issue 122752. >>>>>> >>>>>> To test it please >>>>>> - download the DLL >>>>>> - copy it into the OpenOffice program folder, on most systems this >> will >>>>>> be the folder C:\Program Files
Re: Broken download link
Hi, Do you mean the download link in English at the top? This will work. Or, is there one in Hebrew in the middle to a version 3.2? If so, then we need some help from the Hebrew speaking community as the content on this page is still legacy from 3 to 4 years ago and this project does not maintain those mirrors. http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/openoffice/3.0.0/win32/OOo_3.0.0_he_install_win32_20090327.exe";> קובץ התקנה של אופן אופיס Note 3.0.0 is a very old version probably from the time that OpenOffice.org was part of Sun Microsystems. Here at the Apache Software Foundation we are all volunteers. We about to release 4.0. It would be good to get cooperation from the folks who are running www.openoffice.org.il - this group is not part of the project and we would like to bring them in. Regards, Dave On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:05 AM, Ron Oz wrote: > Hello, > > The download link on the following page is broken: > http://www.openoffice.org/he/ > > Thanks, > Ron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Structure of the CWiki?
On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote: > On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI wrote: >>> On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>>> We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When >>>> looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two >>>> entirely different approaches to organizing the information: >>>> >>>> 1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level >>>> there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc. >>>> >>>> 2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific >>>> release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and >>>> plans for functional groups. >>>> >>>> These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not >>>> consistently. >>>> >>>> I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something >> like: >>>> >>>> 1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking >>>> release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages, >>>> lists of volunteers, "how to" information. The stuff that does not >>>> change from release to release. It is information about the team and >>>> what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release. >>>> >>>> 2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans >>>> and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release. >>>> >>>> I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward. >>>> >>> >>> If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge >> with >>> mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of wiki, >>> and it do cost maintenance. >>> >> >> Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki. Migration would be more >> effort, but we could restructure while migrating. But a non-trivial >> effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving >> images, etc. Exactly. >> > > So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different > productsWe should have been a goverment agency. Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the CWiki on day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for many months. (1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do the migration which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if you want to find out about the "difficulties" that occurred. The CWiki serves its purpose very well. > But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance. If the project wants to move to one wiki - sure go ahead. I'll help however I can when I have time. I would perfectly happy to longer have to Admin it which quite frankly has not been much of an effort. How much effort has it taken to manage MWiki? The balance is that the ASF manages Confluence, but the project must manage our own MediaWiki. Since the ASF is considering WordPress as a replacement for Roller. Maybe some of the CWiki content belongs there? Anyone object to the deletion of the unused OOODEV cwiki? Regards, Dave > > rgds > jan I. > > >> >> -Rob >> >>> rgds >>> jan I. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> >>>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] End-of-Life for OpenOffice.org 3.3.0
+1 On Jul 19, 2013, at 5:20 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > We currently have this link from the download page,from 2009, > announcing end-of-life for OpenOffice.org 2.x: > > http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/eol.html > > I'd like to update that page to also state that 3.x version prior to > 3.4.x are also end-of-life. Why? We're unlikely to issue any more > security patches for 3.3.0 or earlier. > > So the concrete proposal is: > > 1) Update the eol.html page to state that OOo 3.3.0 and earlier are no > longer supported. > > 2) Create a new landing page for users of OOo 3.3.0 and before who are > using a language version that we do not yet have a translation. > Explain in this page that the earlier versions are no longer > supported. List what translations are currently available and where > they can be downloaded from. Give information on how they can > volunteer to help translate AOO into their native language. > > 3) Configure the update notification server to OOo 3.3.0 users to this > new landing page, if their language is not already translated. (Where > there is a translation we already point them to the download page) > > 4) Blog post/announcement on end-of-life for OOo 3.3.0 and earlier. > > The end result is that: 1) We made it clear what versions are > supported. 2) We did our due diligence to reach out to users of older > versions. 3) We encourage new translation volunteers. > > No rush on this. It does not need to be done at the same time as the > 4.0 announcement. It can follow a week or so later. > > -Rob > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RESULT][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)
On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:09 AM, janI wrote: > On 19 July 2013 17:11, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> On 7/19/13 5:07 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jürgen Schmidt >> wrote: >>> The vote period to release the RC2 (based on release branch AOO40, revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 has ended. The ballot result in 24 votes, 24 +1 votes including 14 binding PMC member votes. 3 binding +1 votes are necessary for the release. That means the ballot closed successful to release the RC2 as AOO 4.0 Vote tally +1 Jan Iversen (binding) +1 Keith McKenna +1 Olaf Felka +1 Sylvain Denis +1 Marco A.G. Pinto +1 V Stuart Foote +1 Samer Mansour +1 Ricardo Berlasso (binding) +1 Rory O'Farrell +1 Rob Weir (binding) +1 Shengfeng Liu +1 Kay Schenk (binding) +1 Marcus Lange (binding) +1 Regina Henschel (binding) +1 Andrew Rist (binding) +1 Donald Harbison (binding) +1 Xuacu +1 Juergen Schmidt (binding) +1 Yuzhen Fan +1 Andrea Pescetti (binding) +1 Armin Le Grand (binding) +1 Herbert Duerr (binding) +1 Kazunari Hirano (binding) +1 Andre Fischer (binding) Thanks Juergen >>> Imacat voted -1. Is he non-binding? >>> >> >> the vote was not valid from my perspective because she voted on >> something that was part of the vote. I haven't count it but of course it >> would not change the result. And I believe imacat made it clear in a >> later response. >> > > Hi > > I know it does not change anything, but imacat did not withdraw her -1, so > it should be in the tally for the record. The vote is binding and should be > counted. > > It is in principle no good, that a single person decides if a vote is valid > or not, it sort of invalidates the idea of voting. imacat's VOTE was not a Veto as you cannot veto a release. Since it was not a VETO situation there is no invalidation. Please count her VOTE as (binding) In a sense this is different from Rapheal's -1 which was agreed by acclamation once the flaw was obvious. Thank you. > > rgds > jan I. > > > >> >> Juergen >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: release media files
Hi Drew, This looks really great, but as a note I had to run the mp4 through a convertor program to play it on my MacOSX 10.6.8. Regards, Dave On Jul 20, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: > Thanks for links - I grabbed all the files. > > So - I'll give another throw and post what happens tomorrow.. > > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> Drew Jensen wrote: >> >>> I took the liberty of spinning up a very brief such item, which you can >>> find here: >>> https://docs.google.com/file/**d/**0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IUTY1YzFhR1VLQU0/** >>> edit?usp=sharing<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IUTY1YzFhR1VLQU0/edit?usp=sharing> >>> [unzip the a4.mp4 video file from the uploaded zip container] >>> >> >> Nice! (and welcome back Drew, by the way). The new logo colors appear a >> bit too bright at the end, but see below for vector sources, that may help >> with this. >> >> >> was not able to quickly find a vector graphic of what I take if the new >>> logo, only - I did what I could using the PNG image I found on the wiki, >>> but I'm sure there is a better image available. >>> >> >> You can find all versions, including PDF and SVG, at >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/** >> content/marketing/art/**galleries/logos/aoo-working/<https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/> >> (warning: this is meant to be a temporary location) >> >> >> I would also like to offer, and have started, a second video. Longer, 45 - >>> 90 sec. range, with a quick summary of new features. A little different >>> audiance from the shorty here, I suppose. To start that I've downloaded >>> all >>> the information from the release notes page on the wiki, have used this to >>> generate some raw screen video catpure for the GUI changes and will use, >>> with your permission If I may, the graphics from the wiki for some of the >>> file fidelity enhancements. >>> >> >> This would be very good to have. I don't know of anyone else working on >> this, and obviously you can feel free to use images from the Release Notes >> page. >> >> Regards, >> Andrea. >> >> >> --**--**- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 16/07/2013 Ricardo Berlasso wrote: >> 2013/1/13 RGB ES >>> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo: >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/ >>> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo. >> Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed before 4.0 >> release. > > I have access to that machine and I prepared the files there, but I don't > have enough privileges to actually put them online. > > It is enough that someone with sudo access to ooo-forums.apache.org runs: > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/apache-logo.png /var/www/ > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/index.php /var/www/ > to fix it (then the files owner can be set as it is now, www-data:www-data > for the PNG file and www-data:phpbb for the PHP file). > > If someone wants to provide a 300x100 pixels replacement for > http://forum.openoffice.org/forum-logo.png > I can make it available on that machine too if this helps as an intermediate > step. IRC with asfinfra. Don't forget to remove the disclaimer too. Regards, Dave > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
MWiki is Missing Key Navigation and Apache Trademark information.
Hi MWiki, The MWiki is missing a few key items: See: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation Left Navigation: (1) A link back to the main openoffice.apache.org. (2) A link back to the main www.openoffice.org. (3) "Main Page" is misleading and should be something like "Wiki Home Page". Footer: (1) NO trademark attribution. (2) The Apache Feather on the lower left is broken and goes to a bad place. - it must link to http://www.apache.org/ (3) Linked to About page needs an update - http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOOW:About Thanks, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: mwiki contact page.
On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:52 PM, janI wrote: >> Hi >> >> the mwiki contact page has been removed after a offlist question from rob >> weir, so we are back where we started a couple of weeks ago I have not >> reopened the BZ issue with the request for a contact page. >> >> all footers on wiki contain the text: >> >> Contact: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> >> That message is NOT translated as with the rest of mwiki. >> > > Jan, > > I asked for the removal of that page because it was mainly generating > spam. Moderators had to deal with 15 examples of this from the wiki > admin form in one day. > > But now you've added the string "Contact: dev@openoffice.apache.org" > *twice* to the footer of every wiki page, with no mention that there > are other more appropriate avenues to go for support. > > I'm not certain now that you understand or appreciate what the issue > is. Putting *any* prominent note to contact d...@openoffice.org is a > very bad idea and will merely lead to misdirected support requests, > causing a bad experience for users as well as volunteers. > > So a -1 from me to your additions to the page footer. Please remove > it. And please review any further changes of this nature here on the > dev list before making it. Add my -1 as well the footer is broken in several ways. +1000 to a review on the list. These kinds of changes need discussion as we all miss aspects. > > Remember, the number of people who have admin-related questions about > the wiki are very, very, very few in number. They will be best served > by directing them to some variation of a page like the one we have on > the main website: > > http://www.openoffice.org/contact_us.html +1 to a contact us. Sorry I saw trouble separately and started another thread. My list is not dev@ but 6 other important matters. Regards, Dave > > Thanks! > > -Rob > > > >> rgds. >> Jan I. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: MWiki is Missing Key Navigation and Apache Trademark information.
On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> Hi MWiki,
>>
>> The MWiki is missing a few key items:
>>
>> See: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>>
>
> That is guidance for the "project website". That website is
> http://openoffice.apache.org, yes?
This is policy for project sites. The Mwiki is a project site and the target
for a feather link is mandated to be www.apache.org and not an internal wiki
page that says nothing much about Apache.
> Of course, the project also works with several other websites, from
> www.openoffice.org to Bugzilla to CWiki to Forums to Blogs to MWiki to
> Extensions and Templates. If we think these rules apply to all
> project-related websites, then we have a much bigger set of items to
> work on, not just MWiki.
One thing at a time. The Forums were just adjusted. Extensions site is much
closer to correct than the MWiki.
I see that I need to change the footer on www.openoffice.org. Done, but staged
only. I don't want to publish if other AOO4 changes are pending.
>
>> Left Navigation:
>> (1) A link back to the main openoffice.apache.org.
>> (2) A link back to the main www.openoffice.org.
>> (3) "Main Page" is misleading and should be something like "Wiki Home Page".
I think that additions here would help, but I am not a strong advocate.
>>
>> Footer:
>> (1) NO trademark attribution.
>> (2) The Apache Feather on the lower left is broken and goes to a bad place.
>> - it must link to http://www.apache.org/
>> (3) Linked to About page needs an update -
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOOW:About
>>
>
> Footer also says "Content is available under", which is incomplete. I
> assume something completed that sentence at one point.
I think there was something about a license.
>
> I wonder whether it makes sense to just copy what we have from
> www.openoffice.org and use the same footer on MWiki as well, with
> links for:
>
> Copyright & License | Privacy | Contact Us | Donate | Thanks
>
> Or, if we need to add additional items, do so in a way that keeps the
> wiki and www.openoffice.org footers the same.
I can agree with that. The admins may need to pull some css over as well.
Here is openoffice.org footer.html with the above change plus the relevant css
http://www.apache.org/";>
Copyright & License | Privacy | Contact Us |
http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html#Paypal";>Donate
| http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html";>Thanks
Apache, the Apache feather logo, and OpenOffice are trademarks of The
Apache Software Foundation.
OpenOffice.org and the seagull logo are registered trademarks of The
Apache Software Foundation.
Other names appearing on the site may be trademarks of their respective
owners.
Here is the related css
#footera {
margin: 20px 0px 0px 0px;
padding: 8px 0px 12px 0px;
border-top: 2px solid #ccc;
color:#666;
font-size: 8pt;
padding: 0 8px;
text-align: left;
overflow: auto;
clear: both;
line-height: 10pt;
}
#copyrighta {
}
#copyrighta p {
padding-left: 20px;
line-height: 10pt;
padding-bottom: 5px;
}
#copyrighta a {
color: #107EC0;
text-decoration:underline;
}
#copyrighta a:hover {
background-color: #e6ebed;
}
#poweredby {
float: right;
text-align: right;
width: 210px;
height: 100px;
}
#asf-logo {
width: 180px;
padding-top: 20px;
}
Regards,
Dave
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>> -
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>
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Re: [RELEASE]: availability of uploads and synchronize SF mirrors
On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 07/20/2013 12:45 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): >> Here a little update what I can see: >> >> 1. >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/ >> >> The builds seem to be completely received on SourceForge. So, for me >> it's done. >> >> 2. >> http://www.apache.org/dist/ >> >> No "openoffice" directory and therefore no binary and source builds. >> Maybe Juergen and Infra are still working on this. I'll look again today >> evening/tomorrow morning (European timezone). > > This is unchanged. There is a thread on the infrastructure ML that includes Juergen about this. Apparently it is there, but not there. This may have something to do with apache mirroring between US and Europe. I would suggest that you go on IRC #asfinfra and ask about this situation and not assume one way or another. Thanks, Dave > > At the end it seems that we won't have source files available when we annouce > the release. Is this any kind of stopper? The source is available as usual > via SVN access. So, I don't know. > > If not then I would unstage the dirs/files on SourceForge and therefore make > the AOO 4.0 release visible for the world. And update the download webpages. > > As the announcement is planned for Monday I will do this on Sunday evening > (European time). > > Any objections? > > Marcus > > > >> Am 07/19/2013 05:16 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: >>> The vote closed successful and I have once again uploaded the files in >>> the dist are on the people server. >>> >>> /www/www.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.0.0 >>> >>> The relevant files for SF are under >>> /www/www.apache.org/dist/extgernaldist/openoffice/4.0.0 >>> >>> >>> I hope the rsync url works now, if not please contact the infra people >>> directly. >>> >>> rsync Url: rsync.apache.org::apache-dist-external >>> >>> >>> A complete file list can you find here >>> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo4.0_files_dist-openoffice-4.0.0.txt >>> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo4.0_files_dist-externaldist-openoffice-4.0.0.txt >>> >>> >>> As I mentioned earlier I will be not available until next week Thursday. >>> But I hope I can follow the release a little bit to have some fun with >>> you all together ;-) >>> >>> Juergen > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
