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Thanks Jeff, that helps a lot. Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:51 PM Dan, The TH-F6A DOES NOT have a modem in it. It can be used with an external TNC (like a Kantronics KPC-3+, Open-Tracker, TNC-X, etc.). Quite a few of the TH-F6A's suffer from a low deviation problem. If people complain about your low audio, you WON'T be able to use the radio for packet comms, until the deviation problem is fixed. Radios that do have TNC's in them: TH-D7; Yaesu VX-8GR, FT-350;Kenwood TM-D700, TM-D710; Alinco DR-635 (several other Alinco mobiles have an optional TNC module). There are probably a few others I missed. Most will require a separate GPS also. How complicated it is depends on exactly what you want to do. If you want to send out APRS packets so that others can track your movements - all you need is a TinyTrak type device and an HT. If you want to be able to track others APRS signals on a map, then you need a full blown TNC, radio, and a computer running APRS software. The in-between area (you don't need a map display) - you can use the self contained units like the Yaesu DX-8GR (includes the GPS) or the Kenwood D7 HT ( will need a GPS) or the mobiles with TNC's built-in that will also require a GPS. Your best bet is to hook up with a local mentor that can help guide you through the ins and out of getting up and running on APRS. 73, Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend, Oregon - Original Message - From: Dan Walker Thank you, seems so complicated! very limited funds. Will try to get it setup with your help. Again Thanks, Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:58 AM Dan, Although the TH-F6A has a Packet modem, that is not all you need to operate APRS with that HT. You will also need a computer, laptop if operating portable or mobile connected to the TH-F6A, see page 45 of the operating manual for cables ect. Then you would need a TNC that would connect with the GPS unit or manually enter in lat - long locations though software (see UI-View: http://www.ui-view.org/) that the TNC can send to the TH-F6A. You may want to look for a used Kenwood TH-D7A/G that has APRS as one of the built in features. There is supposed to be a new Kenwood HT, Kenwood TH-D72? with built-in APRS and GPS, however no release date as to when the new HT will be available. You might watch the TH-D7 Yahoo group for more information: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kenwood_TH-D7/ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dan Walker wd5...@... wrote: Plan on orerating mobile have Kenwood TH-F6A and my Tom Tom is not the highend unit I thought it was. TH-F6A says it has 1200bps modem for VHF. How do I put it all togather? Not even sure what I can do with APRS. Been off the air for a while. Dan I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
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Dan, The TH-F6A DOES NOT have a modem in it. It can be used with an external TNC (like a Kantronics KPC-3+, Open-Tracker, TNC-X, etc.). Quite a few of the TH-F6A's suffer from a low deviation problem. If people complain about your low audio, you WON'T be able to use the radio for packet comms, until the deviation problem is fixed. Radios that do have TNC's in them: TH-D7; Yaesu VX-8GR, FT-350;Kenwood TM-D700, TM-D710; Alinco DR-635 (several other Alinco mobiles have an optional TNC module). There are probably a few others I missed. Most will require a separate GPS also. How complicated it is depends on exactly what you want to do. If you want to send out APRS packets so that others can track your movements - all you need is a TinyTrak type device and an HT. If you want to be able to track others APRS signals on a map, then you need a full blown TNC, radio, and a computer running APRS software. The in-between area (you don't need a map display) - you can use the self contained units like the Yaesu DX-8GR (includes the GPS) or the Kenwood D7 HT ( will need a GPS) or the mobiles with TNC's built-in that will also require a GPS. Your best bet is to hook up with a local mentor that can help guide you through the ins and out of getting up and running on APRS. 73, Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend, Oregon - Original Message - From: Dan Walker Thank you, seems so complicated! very limited funds. Will try to get it setup with your help. Again Thanks, Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:58 AM Dan, Although the TH-F6A has a Packet modem, that is not all you need to operate APRS with that HT. You will also need a computer, laptop if operating portable or mobile connected to the TH-F6A, see page 45 of the operating manual for cables ect. Then you would need a TNC that would connect with the GPS unit or manually enter in lat - long locations though software (see UI-View: http://www.ui-view.org/) that the TNC can send to the TH-F6A. You may want to look for a used Kenwood TH-D7A/G that has APRS as one of the built in features. There is supposed to be a new Kenwood HT, Kenwood TH-D72? with built-in APRS and GPS, however no release date as to when the new HT will be available. You might watch the TH-D7 Yahoo group for more information: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kenwood_TH-D7/ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dan Walker wd5...@... wrote: Plan on orerating mobile have Kenwood TH-F6A and my Tom Tom is not the highend unit I thought it was. TH-F6A says it has 1200bps modem for VHF. How do I put it all togather? Not even sure what I can do with APRS. Been off the air for a while. Dan I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
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Steve, There have been some terrific responses with some great advice. I'll focus only on the interface between the radio and the PC's soundcard. Even for casual usage, I'd recommend that you not use the built-in soundcard that came with your computer, and that you probably use for PC things like playing CDs or DVD sound, or even Echolink, VOIP or other PC mike/speakers usage. So either get an interface with an external soundcard built into it (the Signalink USB is an excellent choice), or somehow get a 2nd soundcard for your PC that you will use only for digital mode applications. Just a few years ago, I'd have recommended for your tower or desktop PC that you simply add a cheap sound card. But many people now are using laptops that don't support adding cards to them. So if you don't go with a combined interface/soundcard device like the Signalink, I'd recommend you get an external soundcard connected to the PC with a USB cable. There are good ones from the Creative Soundblaster line, but I'm sure there are many other good ones. There are even some tiny USB sound dongles, but they really vary in quality. Still, if you get one that works, they are small and easy to connect. The reason you want a second soundcard is so that you can keep all your cables connected up permanently and can switch to digital modes without any hassel. You won't have to unplug the PC's mike and speakers and connect up the cables to your interface. All your PC sound level settings will stay the same and won't need to be adjusted when you fire up the digital mode. The Signalink USB interface has a feature that some really like -- it has a built-in VOX circuit that will key PTT on your radio when it hears the PC generate output tone data. This means you don't need an extra cable from the PC to the interface to carry PTT info. Hooking up a Signalink USB the first time is really easy. I personally prefer having the PC key the transmitter explicitly. This is personal preference only, and many prefer the VOX approach. Anyway, I have an external USB sound device connected to a Buxcomm Rascal interface. So I need a cable from the interface to the PC (the current Rascal will suport either a serial or a USB cable) for PTT. I don't mind this extra cable, and I like explicit control of PTT. But that's just me. Good luck! Jim - Original Message - From: KB3FXI To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 2:03 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New guy Jon, Excellent explanation! You should be a teacher (if you aren't already). And, Stephen... welcome to the hobby and digital modes. Here's my personal preference with some elaboration: Interface: USB Signalink USB Signalink has an on board sound card so you don't have to tie up your computer soundcard. It also only has 2 cables... one to the radio and a USB to the computer. Power is supplied by the USB cable. I've found the devices with rats nests of audio and power cables hanging off them give a much greater chance for picking up RF and locking up your computer. Software: NBEMS / FLDIGI (www.w1hkj.com) FLDIGI multimode software is built for all major platforms. So, if you go from Windows to MAC, you just download the MAC version and away you go. This is a preference thing, but I like the single window display of FLDIGI. However, if you're going to get into contesting, I think the logging and automatic rig control may be a bit more advanced and better refined on HRD. Rig control is where your radio and software share info such as frequency, filter settings, volume, etc. You can change frequencies and settings on the rig from the software. I've not had much luck with NBEMS rig control but I don't care enough about the feature to bother to trouble shoot it. With regard to the software the good thing is both HRD and NBEMS/FLDIGI are free, so you can check them out and see what you think before going down one path or another. I'd take up some of the fellows offers to help you down your way. And if you can meet up and have someone give you a demo, that's the way to go. The first time you open some of these programs, it can look much more complicated than it actually is. Good luck and let us know when you're ready to make some digital contacts. I've chatted with quite a few hams in LA on both digital and phone... maybe we'll get lucky and meet up on a good path. -Dave, KB3FXI --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, JonP jpere...@... wrote: Some of your questions are sort of which taste better -- apples or oranges? and you may get all sorts of different answers depending on personal preference. I'll give you some of what I believe are the differentiating factors. I'll also tell you my personal decisions but they are mine and others will not agree because it's a personal thing. HRD vs. Others: There are a couple of programs like HRD
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I just realized that I made reference in my post to the 756 having good digital rig control capabilities, but in fact the OP said that the radio is an Icom 765, not a 756. I have no idea what digital rig control the 765 is capable of. Sorry about that. Jon KB1QBZ
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I have a LOT to digest!! I thank both of you for the detailed (and that is what I needed!) answers. THANKS to you both! Steve KJ4SLK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KB3FXI kb3...@... wrote: Jon, Excellent explanation! You should be a teacher (if you aren't already). And, Stephen... welcome to the hobby and digital modes. Here's my personal preference with some elaboration: Interface: USB Signalink USB Signalink has an on board sound card so you don't have to tie up your computer soundcard. It also only has 2 cables... one to the radio and a USB to the computer. Power is supplied by the USB cable. I've found the devices with rats nests of audio and power cables hanging off them give a much greater chance for picking up RF and locking up your computer. Software: NBEMS / FLDIGI (www.w1hkj.com) FLDIGI multimode software is built for all major platforms. So, if you go from Windows to MAC, you just download the MAC version and away you go. This is a preference thing, but I like the single window display of FLDIGI. However, if you're going to get into contesting, I think the logging and automatic rig control may be a bit more advanced and better refined on HRD. Rig control is where your radio and software share info such as frequency, filter settings, volume, etc. You can change frequencies and settings on the rig from the software. I've not had much luck with NBEMS rig control but I don't care enough about the feature to bother to trouble shoot it. With regard to the software the good thing is both HRD and NBEMS/FLDIGI are free, so you can check them out and see what you think before going down one path or another. I'd take up some of the fellows offers to help you down your way. And if you can meet up and have someone give you a demo, that's the way to go. The first time you open some of these programs, it can look much more complicated than it actually is. Good luck and let us know when you're ready to make some digital contacts. I've chatted with quite a few hams in LA on both digital and phone... maybe we'll get lucky and meet up on a good path. -Dave, KB3FXI --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, JonP jperelst@ wrote: Some of your questions are sort of which taste better -- apples or oranges? and you may get all sorts of different answers depending on personal preference. I'll give you some of what I believe are the differentiating factors. I'll also tell you my personal decisions but they are mine and others will not agree because it's a personal thing. HRD vs. Others: There are a couple of programs like HRD, FLDIGI, and MixW (plus a few others whose names escape me at the moment) that are multimode and can do pretty much any of the soundcard modes (i.e., those digital modes that can be done with soundcards and don't require special modems, special TNCs, etc.). Then there are those built for individual soundcard modes such as Digipan for PSK and MMTTY for RTTY. In my opinion (and it's only my opinion), the primary difference is that if you go with a multimode program, there is a higher learning curve up front to get started on your first mode but then almost no learning curve to go to the next mode and the next mode and ... If you go with a specific program, you have a moderate learning curve up front for your first mode and then a similar learning for the next mode and ... Essentially, if you're going to do multiple modes it comes down to pay me now or pay me later. Of course, you'll have the learning curve of best operating practices for each mode, but that has nothing to do with which software you're using. When it comes to capabilities to work in a given mode, I believe that the major multimode programs are as good as the equivalent single mode programs. For example, I believe that HRD or FLDIGI are just as good in PSK as is Digipan or any of the other PSK programs. Personally, I decided to go for a multimode program. I like the fact that I only had to learn the user interface once and could then quickly pick up additional modes. I regularly switch back and forth between PSK, RTTY, Domino, MFSK, MT-63, Olivia, etc. depending on what I'm hearing on the air, and being able to do it by clicking a button rather than shutting down software and opening up software is a major benefit in my mind (others may disagree, especially if they prefer to work one mode only). I would also say that if you have the smarts to get your general or extra ticket, the learning curve on HRD (or on FLDIGI) is not going to be a hindrance to you. As to outboard vs. inboard soundcard -- again a matter of preference. When you go inboard soundcard, you're depending on the soundcard that comes with the computer and you're depending on the computer having enough speed and memory to run the soundcard and the software
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Some of your questions are sort of which taste better -- apples or oranges? and you may get all sorts of different answers depending on personal preference. I'll give you some of what I believe are the differentiating factors. I'll also tell you my personal decisions but they are mine and others will not agree because it's a personal thing. HRD vs. Others: There are a couple of programs like HRD, FLDIGI, and MixW (plus a few others whose names escape me at the moment) that are multimode and can do pretty much any of the soundcard modes (i.e., those digital modes that can be done with soundcards and don't require special modems, special TNCs, etc.). Then there are those built for individual soundcard modes such as Digipan for PSK and MMTTY for RTTY. In my opinion (and it's only my opinion), the primary difference is that if you go with a multimode program, there is a higher learning curve up front to get started on your first mode but then almost no learning curve to go to the next mode and the next mode and ... If you go with a specific program, you have a moderate learning curve up front for your first mode and then a similar learning for the next mode and ... Essentially, if you're going to do multiple modes it comes down to pay me now or pay me later. Of course, you'll have the learning curve of best operating practices for each mode, but that has nothing to do with which software you're using. When it comes to capabilities to work in a given mode, I believe that the major multimode programs are as good as the equivalent single mode programs. For example, I believe that HRD or FLDIGI are just as good in PSK as is Digipan or any of the other PSK programs. Personally, I decided to go for a multimode program. I like the fact that I only had to learn the user interface once and could then quickly pick up additional modes. I regularly switch back and forth between PSK, RTTY, Domino, MFSK, MT-63, Olivia, etc. depending on what I'm hearing on the air, and being able to do it by clicking a button rather than shutting down software and opening up software is a major benefit in my mind (others may disagree, especially if they prefer to work one mode only). I would also say that if you have the smarts to get your general or extra ticket, the learning curve on HRD (or on FLDIGI) is not going to be a hindrance to you. As to outboard vs. inboard soundcard -- again a matter of preference. When you go inboard soundcard, you're depending on the soundcard that comes with the computer and you're depending on the computer having enough speed and memory to run the soundcard and the software at the same time. Not all computers do -- especially some of the cheaper or older computers. When you buy an outboard like the SignaLink, you know you're getting a soundcard that works well for this purpose and does not take much memory or processor speed. I prefer the outboard. My primary ham radio computer is an Acer netbook and the internal soundcard is not as good as the soundcard in my outboard (a SignaLink USB), which means that I do better with the SignaLink on that computer. I do a lot of EMCOMM work and I like the fact that I can move the SignaLink from computer to computer without having to worry about whether or not the computer's soundcard is adequate. Cables -- believe it or not, another preference thing. If you buy one of the major soundcard interfaces such as a SignaLink or RIGblaster, they come with the cables you will need (you will specify which rig you have and they will include the right cables). There are people who prefer to build their own cables and even build their own interfaces. Depends on whether or not you like to tinker with a soldering iron. Knowing how many things I've ruined with soldering irons -- having built an Elecraft K1 AND two Elecraft K2s -- I didn't want to do any more soldering for a while. Note that the cables that come with the soundcard interfaces are for the digital mode, they are not the cables for rig control (actually changing frequency, power, and other settings through the computer). The 756 has good capabilities for that if you want to use them (you don't have to -- you can control the rig manually, which is what I like to do). If you decide to do computer rig control, you will need an additional cable and you will certainly need software that can do the controlling. Your 756 user manual specifies the cable needed for that (or you can build your own). Both HRD and FLDIGI do rig control as well as digital modes, and that might be an argument for one of them if you decide you want computer rig control. Wow, I've written a book. Sorry about that. I hope this helps and I hope I haven't started a flame war by expressing my preferences. Jon KB1QBZ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Stephen smyer...@... wrote: Is HRD the program to use, or should I start out with somethig that is more
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Jon, Excellent explanation! You should be a teacher (if you aren't already). And, Stephen... welcome to the hobby and digital modes. Here's my personal preference with some elaboration: Interface: USB Signalink USB Signalink has an on board sound card so you don't have to tie up your computer soundcard. It also only has 2 cables... one to the radio and a USB to the computer. Power is supplied by the USB cable. I've found the devices with rats nests of audio and power cables hanging off them give a much greater chance for picking up RF and locking up your computer. Software: NBEMS / FLDIGI (www.w1hkj.com) FLDIGI multimode software is built for all major platforms. So, if you go from Windows to MAC, you just download the MAC version and away you go. This is a preference thing, but I like the single window display of FLDIGI. However, if you're going to get into contesting, I think the logging and automatic rig control may be a bit more advanced and better refined on HRD. Rig control is where your radio and software share info such as frequency, filter settings, volume, etc. You can change frequencies and settings on the rig from the software. I've not had much luck with NBEMS rig control but I don't care enough about the feature to bother to trouble shoot it. With regard to the software the good thing is both HRD and NBEMS/FLDIGI are free, so you can check them out and see what you think before going down one path or another. I'd take up some of the fellows offers to help you down your way. And if you can meet up and have someone give you a demo, that's the way to go. The first time you open some of these programs, it can look much more complicated than it actually is. Good luck and let us know when you're ready to make some digital contacts. I've chatted with quite a few hams in LA on both digital and phone... maybe we'll get lucky and meet up on a good path. -Dave, KB3FXI --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, JonP jpere...@... wrote: Some of your questions are sort of which taste better -- apples or oranges? and you may get all sorts of different answers depending on personal preference. I'll give you some of what I believe are the differentiating factors. I'll also tell you my personal decisions but they are mine and others will not agree because it's a personal thing. HRD vs. Others: There are a couple of programs like HRD, FLDIGI, and MixW (plus a few others whose names escape me at the moment) that are multimode and can do pretty much any of the soundcard modes (i.e., those digital modes that can be done with soundcards and don't require special modems, special TNCs, etc.). Then there are those built for individual soundcard modes such as Digipan for PSK and MMTTY for RTTY. In my opinion (and it's only my opinion), the primary difference is that if you go with a multimode program, there is a higher learning curve up front to get started on your first mode but then almost no learning curve to go to the next mode and the next mode and ... If you go with a specific program, you have a moderate learning curve up front for your first mode and then a similar learning for the next mode and ... Essentially, if you're going to do multiple modes it comes down to pay me now or pay me later. Of course, you'll have the learning curve of best operating practices for each mode, but that has nothing to do with which software you're using. When it comes to capabilities to work in a given mode, I believe that the major multimode programs are as good as the equivalent single mode programs. For example, I believe that HRD or FLDIGI are just as good in PSK as is Digipan or any of the other PSK programs. Personally, I decided to go for a multimode program. I like the fact that I only had to learn the user interface once and could then quickly pick up additional modes. I regularly switch back and forth between PSK, RTTY, Domino, MFSK, MT-63, Olivia, etc. depending on what I'm hearing on the air, and being able to do it by clicking a button rather than shutting down software and opening up software is a major benefit in my mind (others may disagree, especially if they prefer to work one mode only). I would also say that if you have the smarts to get your general or extra ticket, the learning curve on HRD (or on FLDIGI) is not going to be a hindrance to you. As to outboard vs. inboard soundcard -- again a matter of preference. When you go inboard soundcard, you're depending on the soundcard that comes with the computer and you're depending on the computer having enough speed and memory to run the soundcard and the software at the same time. Not all computers do -- especially some of the cheaper or older computers. When you buy an outboard like the SignaLink, you know you're getting a soundcard that works well for this purpose and does not take much memory or processor speed. I prefer the
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Chuck, I will do my best to make the HamFest. Thanks for the info. Steve KJ4SLK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, charles standlee ac5p...@... wrote: Steve, Welcome to digital communications... Since you live in Louisiana here are a couple of sites that you may want to look at, first the Louisiana section website at www.laarrl.org on the right side of the page is a link for digital communications and has a 6 or 7 part tutorial on digital communications and other technical stuff written in laymens terms, the other is the website for the Baton Rouge area Ham club www.lsu.edu/brarc. There are a lot of folks in the state who can help you out with answers and quite a few in Baton Rouge. I will help you more off line, I live in the Alexandria area so it may be tough for a face to face, unless you come to our Hamfest in October.  73, Chuck AC5PW From: Stephen smyer...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 4:13:01 PM Subject: [digitalradio] New guy  Hello all. After being a SWL for several years, a friend willed (he is an SK now) to me his Icom 765. I am intrested in getting into the digital modes. Being new, I don't even know enough to ask the right questions. My wife is in the US Navy and we will retire to the country of Panama. I got my ticket last Feb. but we moved to Baton Rouge and I have nothing set up (except a long wire in the attic). I have had all the gear (IC-765, IC-AT500, IC-2kl and its powersupply) back to a guy who rebuilt and referbished to factory spect. I have found that if you have a ticket, in Panama, they will give you one (of equal rating) so you can operate in their country. Is HRD the program to use, or should I start out with somethig that is more simple? Do I get an outboard sound card? What cables do I need? Any advice will be appreciated. Steve KJ4SLK
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I use the free method of the FCC. http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/index.htm?job=home On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:18 AM, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.netwrote: What does one have to do to re-new their ticket on-line now? Been so lone I forgot -- Mr.C.Robinson 73 DE KF6NFW
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And if you are an ARRL member, they will do it for you free. 73 Buddy WB4M What does one have to do to re-new their ticket on-line now? Been so lone I forgot http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe
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I just renewed my license via ULS, as described below. I had an FRN, but no password, so I requested a password on Monday 7/12 and received one immediately via email. After logging in, I applied for renewal, which took less than a minute. Yesterday morning, I logged in to check the status of my renewal, and found that it had been issued on 7/13; a hardcopy arrived by postal mail yesterday afternoon. I don't see how this process could be any simpler... 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of J. Moen Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:30 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE John, There is an FCC Registration Number (FRN) associated with your call. You need the FRN and a password to logon to FCC's Universal Licensing System (ULS). Go to http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp and search for your callsign. It's there, of course, and so is your FRN. Write that down. Before you go any farther, you should know the FCC database says your call expires 7/31/2011. So you have a year to do this, and as I recall, you cannot renew until there are 90 days to go. When you do the renewal process next year , you'll need your password. If you've done this before in the past, it may be burried in your files. However, it is more likely that when you got your license, the VE did all the FCC paperwork for you, and you were automatically assigned an FRN but you never set up a password. So you will need to set one up. Go to https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/licManager/login.jsp - enter your FRN and click on Forgot your password? Contact Tech Support. First you'll need to Set Personal Security Question. I'd recommend you get all that set up now, including a password, then save the FRN and password in your files so it will be easy to log on and renew when it is time. There's a simpler alternative. The major VECs like ARRL and W5YI Group offer renewal services for a small fee. ARRL's is described at http://www.arrl.org/call-sign-renewals-or-changes The W5YI Group's process is at http://www.w5yi.org/page.php?id=87 You've got plenty of time, the way I read the FCC database. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Chris Robinson To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE I use the free method of the FCC.http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/index.htm?job=home On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:18 AM, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net wrote: What does one have to do to re-new their ticket on-line now? Been so lone I forgot http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE
Smooth as baby's bum. -- From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:37 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE I just renewed my license via ULS, as described below. I had an FRN, but no password, so I requested a password on Monday 7/12 and received one immediately via email. After logging in, I applied for renewal, which took less than a minute. Yesterday morning, I logged in to check the status of my renewal, and found that it had been issued on 7/13; a hardcopy arrived by postal mail yesterday afternoon. I don't see how this process could be any simpler... 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of J. Moen Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:30 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE John, There is an FCC Registration Number (FRN) associated with your call. You need the FRN and a password to logon to FCC's Universal Licensing System (ULS). Go to http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp and search for your callsign. It's there, of course, and so is your FRN. Write that down. Before you go any farther, you should know the FCC database says your call expires 7/31/2011. So you have a year to do this, and as I recall, you cannot renew until there are 90 days to go. When you do the renewal process next year , you'll need your password. If you've done this before in the past, it may be burried in your files. However, it is more likely that when you got your license, the VE did all the FCC paperwork for you, and you were automatically assigned an FRN but you never set up a password. So you will need to set one up. Go to https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/licManager/login.jsp - enter your FRN and click on Forgot your password? Contact Tech Support. First you'll need to Set Personal Security Question. I'd recommend you get all that set up now, including a password, then save the FRN and password in your files so it will be easy to log on and renew when it is time. There's a simpler alternative. The major VECs like ARRL and W5YI Group offer renewal services for a small fee. ARRL's is described at http://www.arrl.org/call-sign-renewals-or-changes The W5YI Group's process is at http://www.w5yi.org/page.php?id=87 You've got plenty of time, the way I read the FCC database. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Chris Robinson To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE I use the free method of the FCC.http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/index.htm?job=home On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:18 AM, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net wrote: What does one have to do to re-new their ticket on-line now? Been so lone I forgot http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE
At 11:52 AM 7/17/2010, you wrote: And if you are an ARRL member, they will do it for you free. 73 Buddy WB4M Thanks buddy, and yes, a life member Do I need to do anything or is this an automatic happens thing they do? John, W0JAB HOT STICKY Missouri. Q How do you know it's summer in Missouri A the blacktop melts
Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE
Check out ARRL's web site at http://www.arrl.org/renewals which says: As one of the many benefits we offer ARRL members, ARRL members will automatically receive a form from ARRL with instructions on license renewal once they are just outside the 90 day window for renewal of their amateur license. This will be a letter with a form at the bottom of the letter to sign and return to the ARRL VEC. Amateurs can renew no sooner than 90 days before the expiration of the license. License modifications or NON-Vanity renewal procedures are a free membership service. Vanity renewals require a FCC Regulatory Fee and a $5 ARRL processing fee. - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE At 11:52 AM 7/17/2010, you wrote: And if you are an ARRL member, they will do it for you free. 73 Buddy WB4M Thanks buddy, and yes, a life member Do I need to do anything or is this an automatic happens thing they do? John, W0JAB HOT STICKY Missouri. Q How do you know it's summer in Missouri A the blacktop melts
[digitalradio] Re : new question
Do any Old Buffers in the UK remember the original Ros, the one by the name of Edmundo Ros ? He used to have a small band, had a half hour a week on the old BBC radio and his band played at social gatherings where the young rich and gay used to dance the hours away. Mel G0GQK
Re: [digitalradio] Re : new question
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 08:46:18PM -, raf3151019 wrote: Do any Old Buffers in the UK remember the original Ros, the one by the name of Edmundo Ros ? He used to have a small band, had a half hour a week on the old BBC radio and his band played at social gatherings where the young rich and gay used to dance the hours away. Yes! Thanks for resurrecting those neural paths! The sort of music I imagined Bertie Wooster and Lord Peter Wimsey dancing to. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New release (4.18) of MULTIPSK
On 6/19/2010 9:28 AM, aa777888athotmaildotcom wrote: Skip, I looked at your patent and could not believe my eyes. You patented a tone detector and a beeper. One could have argued that it covered the original beeper pager. You could have owned the entire paging market (or did you?). Amazing and disheartening at the same time. It is amazing to me how patents work (or sometimes don't). k*b*l*0*0*q Wish I did, but I didn't! I think the value of the circuit was its reliability, which is why I chose the monostable multivibrator as a basis. The idea of a tone detector and beeper was probably already patented, or probably too obvious to be patentable. It was enough to kickstart the weather alert radio industry and fortunate to retire at 43 as a result. I definitely have been blessed by ham radio! 73, Skip KH6TY //
[digitalradio] Re: New to SSTV
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, AA0OI aa...@... wrote: HI Bob: That LSB on 40 usb on 20.. a bunch in there on 40 right now Garrett / AA0OI What is the best time CDST, day/night to look for digital sstv activity on 7173? Thanks, Jerry - K0HZI
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New to SSTV
Hi Jerry: there is activity on 7.173 all day long starting about 8am cst and going to 5 or 6 pm at night..(depends on when the European station start coming in--- they pretty much don't care who they step on-- of course some just don't hear so well,, (kind of like contesters)) Band is in bad shape right now and hope it will open up later this afternoon... Garrett / AA0OI From: Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 11:22:07 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New to SSTV --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, AA0OI aa...@... wrote: HI Bob: That LSB on 40 usb on 20.. a bunch in there on 40 right now Garrett / AA0OI What is the best time CDST, day/night to look for digital sstv activity on 7173? Thanks, Jerry - K0HZI
[digitalradio] Re: New subject: FSK clicks
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Wes Linscott w1...@... wrote: The EPC PSK125 contest was in operation. Is that possibly what you were seeing/hearing? Wes W1LIC Well if PSK125 signals are clicky then that's just as bad as if it's FSK. However I was able to copy one or two of the clicky signals as FSK RTTY. Didn't try on all of them.
[digitalradio] Re: New ROS Version 2.1.0 More Powerfull
Still does not have enough COM port selections... Al/ W8AII --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, nietorosdj nietoro...@... wrote: Download here: http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ And configure the Email menu
[digitalradio] Re: New ROS Version 2.0.2 beta
Hi, where do you go to download the software? Thanks--- Bob C WU9Q --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, nietorosdj nietoro...@... wrote: Please download the latest version.
RE: [digitalradio] Re: New ROS Version 2.0.2 beta
http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ -Original Message- From: Chris [mailto:w...@mchsi.com] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:33 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New ROS Version 2.0.2 beta Hi, where do you go to download the software? Thanks--- Bob C WU9Q --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, nietorosdj nietoro...@... wrote: Please download the latest version. Try Hamspots, PSKreporter, and K3UK Sked Page http://www.obriensweb.com/skedpskr4.html Suggesting calling frequencies: Modes 500Hz 3583,7073,14073,18103, 21073,24923, 28123 . Wider modes e.g. Olivia 32/1000, ROS16, ALE: 14109.7088. Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] Re: New SDR available
Q Will this work with Simon Browns new sdr software ? G .. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: Another one out in the market . nice and cheap .. Performance tests?? Dg9bfc Sigi _ Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Peter Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 19:46 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [digitalradio] New SDR available Hi, all. I'm offering a new SDR, inspired by the Softrock-40 but with some significant improvements. Instead of a crystal LO, it uses two Analog Devices DDS chips, and has 5 selectable preselector filters. It also feature USB control. Anyone who's interested can find the details at http://www.lazydoge http://www.lazydogengineering.com/LD1home.htm ngineering.com/LD1home.htm and at my blog, www.garage-shoppe.com. 73, Pete, NI9N
[digitalradio] Re: New SDR available
Brian, take a look at this: http://garage-shoppe.com/wordpress/?p=85#comments I've gotten comments from other customers by email, and some posted in the soft-radio group, but I won't quote private comments without permission and haven't sought it yet. There have been a couple of issues that popped up with the first units, but they were easily solved. Also, one customer reported spurious responses, but that issue has been fixed with a little software mod. That's one of the great things about software-defined radios! 73, Pete, NI9N Lazy Dog Engineering www.lazydogengineering.com www.garage-shoppe.com --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Brian Denley b.den...@... wrote: Very impressive! I will strongly consider buying one. Anyone own the LD1? Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html - Original Message - From: Peter p...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: [digitalradio] New SDR available Hi, all. I'm offering a new SDR, inspired by the Softrock-40 but with some significant improvements. Instead of a crystal LO, it uses two Analog Devices DDS chips, and has 5 selectable preselector filters. It also feature USB control. Anyone who's interested can find the details at http://www.lazydogengineering.com/LD1home.htm and at my blog, www.garage-shoppe.com. 73, Pete, NI9N
[digitalradio] Re: New SDR available
The better the soundcard, the better the results will be as with any soundcard-based sdr. I use a Creative SB-1090, which you can get for $50 - $80 if you shop around, and I am very satisfied. I have not tried one of the high-end cards, but understand the performance might be even better. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: This seems like an astonishingly low price. What are the bandwidth capabilities of this device? Can you do 100 Khz, 200 , more ? Does it require a high end soundcard ? On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Peter p...@... wrote: Hi, all. I'm offering a new SDR, inspired by the Softrock-40 but with some significant improvements. Instead of a crystal LO, it uses two Analog Devices DDS chips, and has 5 selectable preselector filters. It also feature USB control. Anyone who's interested can find the details at http://www.lazydogengineering.com/LD1home.htm and at my blog, www.garage-shoppe.com. 73, Pete, NI9N
[digitalradio] Re: NEW : Digitalradio 2010 Challenge via Clublogs
This shows I am ranked number 1 among digitalradio ! That is because I am the only digitalradio member to participate. RankCal1 16080 60 40 30 20 17 15 12 10 6 4 2 70 Total Slots Range 1 K3UK3 7 2 53 25 135 54 112 15 235 2 0 0 0 245 643 23 yrs --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: I have arranged for clublogs.org (http://www.clublogs.org) to add Digitalradio as a club . This means you can connect to their web site, registered, and then upload your log . The upload will be an ADIF upload. If you need help with that part, just let me know, it is quite easy. You also need to add digitalradio as a club you belong to. To do that click on CLUBS and pick digitalradio from the list. You can add other clubs that you belong to, also.Once you have done that you will be able to participate in a variety of challenges. One will be between members of digitalradio, and an other can be digitalradio versus others groups/clubs. I am particularly interested in a 2010 challenge for data QSOs. Clublogs.org will allow you to filter your log and see QSOs and DXCC entities worked by mode (CW, SSB , or DATA) . So upload your log periodically and see where you stand versus other people and how we stand versus other clubs. After you upload your log and join a club, it can take some time before your data starts to show. Andy K3UK About Club Log Introduction by Michael G7VJR Club Log is a web-based application that uses a large database to analyse amateur radio log files, which are uploaded by users all over the world. Using the logs, it is possible to offer band-mode league tables, efficient log search tools, analysis for DXpedition planning purposes and most wanted lists for DXCC entities (including by date, band or mode for example). There is a great deal of information that can be mined and analysed in a standard ADIF file. Club Log can provide empirical propagation charts, and give back to its users the ability to find wanted DX spots, identify QSLing gaps and perform other analysis of their logs which might be hard to do with normal logging software. Through Club Log, I also host online log search systems for significant DXpeditions. One of the driving principles of Club Log is to store as many QSOs as possible, as this makes the reports and statistics more meaningful and representative. Everything in Club Log depends upon analysing real QSOs, and or this reason I am very grateful to everyone who participates. If you have not joined yet, I warmly invite you to sign up and join the action! It is completely free.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: NEW : Digitalradio 2010 Challenge via Clublogs
obrienaj wrote: This shows I am ranked number 1 among digitalradio ! That is because I am the only digitalradio member to participate. You are still at the top of the league Andy... RankCallsign160 80 60 40 30 20 17 15 12 10 6 4 2 70 Total Slots Range 1 K3UK3 7 2 53 25 135 54 112 15 235 2 0 0 0 245 643 23 yrs 2 G0DJA 35 34 4 47 52 58 64 45 39 30 50 11 18 3 104 490 27 yrs As I couldn't get the cut and paste to stop wrapping round, it might be easier to see by clicking on this link. http://www.clublog.org/browse.php?club=49 Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: NEW : Digitalradio 2010 Challenge via Clublogs
I guess that's because you Andy are the only one that I know of that try's *every* new mode that comes down the pike. I guess I really need to take a good look at some of the newer sound card modes. I just got so turned off by that do nothing PSK 31.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: NEW : Digitalradio 2010 Challenge via Clublogs
John Becker, WØJAB wrote: I guess I really need to take a good look at some of the newer sound card modes. I just got so turned off by that do nothing PSK 31. The various WSJT modes can be quite entertaining, especially if you are into VHF and UHF and JT65 is gaining support on HF as well. Dave (G0DJA)
[digitalradio] Re: New to the group
I use Ham Radio Deluxe mainly. I have Skysweeper but havnt used that in a while. I think it does Stanag 4539. 73 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: Maybe stanag 4285 . Used by military . Tune to 1875 usb don´t know the submode or i fit is really stanag4285 and i fit is coded or not .. What soft have you for digital?? Dg9bfc Sigi _ Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von clive_2e0bsl Gesendet: Montag, 11. Januar 2010 21:09 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [digitalradio] New to the group Thought id say hi to the group. Wonder if anyone knows what the signals are round 1.877 - 2k wide is it Olivia or some other MSK?
AW: [digitalradio] Re: New to the group
I use multipsk most of the time . And there is a multipsk usergroup So next versions and whishes from the users are discussed there (and bug reports if there are any) Nice software you should try it out Dg9bfc Sigi _ Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von clive_2e0bsl Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Januar 2010 00:28 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [digitalradio] Re: New to the group I use Ham Radio Deluxe mainly. I have Skysweeper but havnt used that in a while. I think it does Stanag 4539. 73 --- In digitalradio@ mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: Maybe stanag 4285 . Used by military . Tune to 1875 usb don´t know the submode or i fit is really stanag4285 and i fit is coded or not .. What soft have you for digital?? Dg9bfc Sigi _ Von: digitalradio@ mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalradio@ mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von clive_2e0bsl Gesendet: Montag, 11. Januar 2010 21:09 An: digitalradio@ mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Betreff: [digitalradio] New to the group Thought id say hi to the group. Wonder if anyone knows what the signals are round 1.877 - 2k wide is it Olivia or some other MSK?
[digitalradio] Re: New Digital Mode Web Site by WZ7I
Good summary about the properties of the different digi-modes. I really like it and have just forwarded the link to some other fellows (and I have just deleted the different files with the information Tony has published here before). However: I don't follow his conclusion about the mode to choose for rag chew qso's: Based on my experience with a quite poor setup at my second qth with 10 W and longwire sensitivity combined with robustness is much more important than speed if you would like to have some nice qso's at all. I was even able to have some nice DX qso's on 80 m in Olivia with no signal visible in the waterfall. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tony d...@... wrote: All, Wes, WZ7I has a new digital mode website entitled Which digital mode should I be using for keyboard to keyboard. I'm sure he'd like to hear comments / suggestions from the group. See http://mysite.verizon.net/wz7i/digitalmodes.html Tony -K2MO
[digitalradio] Re: New digital interfaces for Christmas
I bought myself one for Christmas too !! (Hey ! - I am Santa Klaus, aren't I ? !! ). What I would like to know (it hasn't been delivered yet!), is how good members of the Group think that it will be effective and suitable for working in Digi Mode. (at 25 GB Pounds - 37 US Dollars).The manufacturer (I guess in a little hut in his back yard!), also wires in the plug for the Mike and PTT to suit your particular Rig. Its here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180447898625ssPage\ Name=STRK:MEWNX:IT http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180447898625ssPag\ eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT%20%20%20%20%20 Opinions please ... ?? At this moment, I can't afford a Tigertronics, etc - and took this as the low-cost option. 73's de John (G3OBU) http://%20www.John4Music.TV%20%20%20 www.John4Music.TV http://%20www.John4Music.TV%20%20%20 \ . --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick Westerfield r_lwesterfi...@... wrote: It is working pretty good already and all of those surface mount components scare me a little. I would need an electron microscope to make some of the changes he suggests in the link. Rick - KH2DF From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Siegfried Jackstien Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:27 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [digitalradio] New digital interfaces for Christmas Hi rick and andy Maybe this is of interrest for you http://www.frenning.dk/OZ1PIF_HOMEPAGE/SignaLinkUSB-mods.html that guy made some mods to the signalink to improve linearity and other things maybe it helps to further improve winmor (or any other digital-mode) dg9bfc sigi _ Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Andy obrien Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 22:14 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] New digital interfaces for Christmas Congratulations Rick, interesting to see the WINMOR improvments. Is it better than your Rigblaster ? Andy
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New Digital Mode Web Site by WZ7I
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Juergen dl...@darc.de wrote: Good summary about the properties of the different digi-modes. I really like it Thank you for your kind comment However: I don't follow his conclusion about the mode to choose for rag chew qso's: Based on my experience with a quite poor setup at my second qth with 10 W and longwire sensitivity combined with robustness is much more important than speed This is an entirely legitimate position, and the position I would probably hold if I were in your situation. But my starting point was that for an hour-long QSO with the goal of getting acquainted with another ham, we need to think about the trade-offs we make when we choose a mode. I enjoy using MFSK16 to work DX stations who are limited to low power and small antennas on their balcony. But if I hear you in Olivia 500/16, I will give you a call. 73, Wes WZ7I
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New digital interfaces for Christmas
It will probably work well. His feedback score is good so it must be at least Ok on performance. The only reason I went with the Signalink was to gain more throughput on Winmor. My Blaster and use of a motherboard soundcard served me well on many different modes for several years and this device will likely be the same for you for far less than I paid. Bonus for you. Rick - KH2DF Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Music Maker jhaddle...@msn.com wrote: I bought myself one for Christmas too !! (Hey ! - I am Santa Klaus, aren't I ? !! ). What I would like to know (it hasn't been delivered yet!), is how good members of the Group think that it will be effective and suitable for working in Digi Mode. (at 25 GB Pounds - 37 US Dollars).The manufacturer (I guess in a little hut in his back yard!), also wires in the plug for the Mike and PTT to suit your particular Rig. Its here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180447898625ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT Opinions please ... ?? At this moment, I can't afford a Tigertronics, etc - and took this as the low-cost option. 73's de John (G3OBU) www.John4Music.TV . --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick Westerfield r_lwesterfi...@... wrote: It is working pretty good already and all of those surface mount components scare me a little. I would need an electron microscope to make some of the changes he suggests in the link. Rick - KH2DF From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Siegfried Jackstien Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:27 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [digitalradio] New digital interfaces for Christmas Hi rick and andy Maybe this is of interrest for you http://www.frenning.dk/OZ1PIF_HOMEPAGE/SignaLinkUSB-mods.html that guy made some mods to the signalink to improve linearity and other things maybe it helps to further improve winmor (or any other digital-mode) dg9bfc sigi _ Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Andy obrien Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 22:14 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] New digital interfaces for Christmas Congratulations Rick, interesting to see the WINMOR improvments. Is it better than your Rigblaster ? Andy
RE: [digitalradio] Re: New digital interfaces for Christmas
Looks nice! Better buy now, though, because when the EUrocrats find out about this manufacturer he is likely to be bankrupted by the regulatory requirements. http://www.rohsregulations.com/rohs-faq.htm http://www.cetest.nl/emc-harmonized-standards.htm http://www.cetest.nl/lvn-standards.htm http://www.cetest.nl/rtte_directive.htm Remember Hilberding? Cortland KA5S - Original Message - From: Music Maker To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/2/2010 11:56:51 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New digital interfaces for Christmas I bought myself one for Christmas too !! (Hey ! - I am Santa Klaus, aren't I ? !! ). What I would like to know (it hasn't been delivered yet!), is how good members of the Group think that it will be effective and suitable for working in Digi Mode. (at 25 GB Pounds - 37 US Dollars).The manufacturer (I guess in a little hut in his back yard!), also wires in the plug for the Mike and PTT to suit your particular Rig. Its here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180447898625ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT Opinions please ... ?? At this moment, I can't afford a Tigertronics, etc - and took this as the low-cost option. 73's de John (G3OBU) www.John4Music.TV . --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick Westerfield r_lwesterfi...@... wrote: It is working pretty good already and all of those surface mount components scare me a little. I would need an electron microscope to make some of the changes he suggests in the link. Rick - KH2DF From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Siegfried Jackstien Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:27 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [digitalradio] New digital interfaces for Christmas Hi rick and andy Maybe this is of interrest for you http://www.frenning.dk/OZ1PIF_HOMEPAGE/SignaLinkUSB-mods.html that guy made some mods to the signalink to improve linearity and other things maybe it helps to further improve winmor (or any other digital-mode) dg9bfc sigi _ Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Andy obrien Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 22:14 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] New digital interfaces for Christmas Congratulations Rick, interesting to see the WINMOR improvments. Is it better than your Rigblaster ? Andy stime1262451410 Description: stime1262451410
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New Version of WSPR Available
Steinar Aanesland wrote: Hi all I am whispering on 60m @ 5.2872 Dial with 5W. I'm still on 80M from yesterday when some friends of mine, who don't have 5MHz permits, wanted to try the program out. I will probably return to 60M today, but will be RX only when I have to go out. Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)
[digitalradio] Re: New Version of WSPR Available
I'm getting out 4 spots: Timestamp CallMHz SNR Drift GridPwr ReporterRGrid km az 2009-11-20 01:36K3UK10.140193 -20 0 FN02hk 5 AC7SM DM26ie 3142269 2009-11-20 01:36K3UK10.140190 -11 0 FN02hk 5 W3HHEL89vb 1509191 2009-11-20 01:34K3UK10.140291 -24 0 FN02hk 5 WA5ETV EM151708249 2009-11-20 01:34K3UK10.140190 -5 -1 FN02hk 5 W3HHEL89vb 1509191 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: I think I figured the fancy-dancy slider out. Andy K3UK On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: I must be missing something basic with the user set up. I have had previous versions working OK but this version does not receive despite the correct sound card device being selected. I see waiting to start all the time. IS there a start button that I am missing ? Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New Version of WSPR Available
Hi all I am whispering on 60m @ 5.2872 Dial with 5W. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar obrienaj wrote: I'm getting out 4 spots: Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift GridPwr ReporterRGrid km az 2009-11-20 01:36 K3UK10.140193 -20 0 FN02hk 5 AC7SM DM26ie 3142269 2009-11-20 01:36 K3UK10.140190 -11 0 FN02hk 5 W3HHEL89vb 1509191 2009-11-20 01:34 K3UK10.140291 -24 0 FN02hk 5 WA5ETV EM151708249 2009-11-20 01:34 K3UK10.140190 -5 -1 FN02hk 5 W3HHEL89vb 1509191 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: I think I figured the fancy-dancy slider out. Andy K3UK On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: I must be missing something basic with the user set up. I have had previous versions working OK but this version does not receive despite the correct sound card device being selected. I see waiting to start all the time. IS there a start button that I am missing ? Andy K3UK
[digitalradio] Re: New to digital modes? Try this weekend's challenge
Or you can try SSTV on 20m : 14.230 MHz USB My SSTV cam is stand by 24/7: http://www.pd4u.nl/sstv.php Marc, PD4U
[digitalradio] Re: New PSKMAIL Server Active: Need testers
I adjusted my VOX and can now run PSK250. So will satay with PSK250 as the default but can change if people request via sked page. Andy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, obrienaj aobri...@... wrote: Thanks to Rein's hard work, I now have a PSKMAIL Server active. I think it is working I need testers, those with the PSKMAIL client software. I am on 10147 USB (dial frequency), set your software to 1000 Hz on the waterfall and place K3UK in you configuation area. At the moment, I am not using rig control because my interface does not work under Linux. So I am using VOX. For some odd reason, I cannot get the VOX to work with the traditional PSK250 mode, so I am currently in THOR 22 mode. I'll post an update here if I get PSK250 to work. Also, as the day progresses , I may move to 80M. I'll post updated QRG via the Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked (then click on digitalradio). Again thanks to Rein for making a PSKMAIL Server Puppy, hopefully I have it set correctly.
[digitalradio] Re: New Laptop Woes
Please post your question to the yahoo group NBEMSham. There are several elmers on that group that can help you with your problem. Thanks. Dave, W1HKJ fldigi developer
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New 40m Band Plan
Been reading the comments here and I operate from Manila area there region 3 there allows me to operate voice on 7045 and 7085 khz on LSB where I can't operate it here in the USA. Would be interesting to do that in USA. Larry Fields n6h...@yahoo.com Amatuer Radio station:n6hpx/du1 cell numbers:63((disconnected)) manila cell numbers:8082531271 usa Member:ARRL,PARL,DOS#475,FHM 800,ASWLC monitoring: simplex:146.520,147.570 mhz,PARA 144.740 mhz repeaters:wd6app 145.320 mhz,SANDRA 146.640 mhz repeaters:dx1L,dx1hb,dx1par,AH2G BSPK31:20m,30m,40m -Element 1:I support morse code testing at 5 wpm on Extra class- _ From: dl8le dl...@darc.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:07:32 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New 40m Band Plan The IARU should try to coordinate the different interestes of the ham radio organisations all over the world, not any local government. It's for sure difficult to have at least a common bandplan for one region (I, II or III), but it's even more difficult to find a compromise between the interests of the different regional organisations and the corresponding national requirements. Look at the results of the WRC. But: Digimodes have appeared at the scene much later than CW and fone, therefore it is difficult to implement the space for them within the existing areas for the other two modes because nobody wants to give something away. That's the reason why we have such a problem to come to a good solution. If the national organisations which constitute the IARU region don't care enough about the digital modes (and we are still a minority) then it's no surprise to have results like we have in the new band plan for 40 m. So, instead of pointing to a non existing regulatory authority I would rather suggest that all of us try to form a lobby within the national organisation, convince the others of the speicific needs for digital modes and bring the interests up at the regional meetings to have our representatives understand what's needed worldwide. Might be that - at the end - we will have a better result. As a first step I suggest you write an e-mail to your national reprensatative who is responsible within your national ham radio organisation for IARU coordination, bandplans etc., and ask him why we have come to the bandplan on 40 m with the segmentation we have. And after the response you can start the discussion (Sigi, you can look all up at www.darc.de) . Good luck! 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Rein Couperus r...@... wrote: You should not mail it to the IARU, but to your own government. As long as we don't have a central cosmic govt. the IARU has no chance to get stuff properly coordinated. 73, Rein PA0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht--- -- Von: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackstie n...@... Gesendet: 20.07.09 20:06:11 An: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Betreff: AW: [digitalradio] New 40m Band Plan Hello all in the group Just my 2 cents about the bandplans in different regions ….. Hamradio is a very old hobby with thousands of hams in the whole world … Will it EVER be possible to make ONE bandplan for ALL hams …. With a place for cw, psk, sstv, qrp … etc. etc. ? With different bandplans maybe only for contest weekends With places for ragchewing … and also an area only for the dxers That is a thing we should think about … discuss in our local clubs, find a solution for all … If somebody has an idea … mail it to the iaru Greetz and cu on the bands Best 73´s de dg9bfc Sigi . Von:digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com] Im Auftrag von Alan Barrow Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2009 02:17 An:digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] New 40m Band Plan Cortland Richmond wrote: I do hope digital users avoid interfering with the North American 40 meter QRP CW frequency on 7040. If I recall there was a (largely ignored) push to get the ARRL to work with the IARU. The US is now way out of alignment with the IARU plan if I recall now, even though our Representatives approved it! Have fun, Alan km4ba -- http://pa0r. blogspirit. com
[digitalradio] Re: New video samples of digital modes on YOUTUBE
Thanks Tony! So far, MT63 was the only mode that wouldn't decode when saved as an MP3. I figure it was an example where enough loss from the compression made it useless. Saving as a raw WAV file worked flawlessly. All the other modes (so far!) worked fine saved as an MP3. f
[digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
One interesting issue I found with MixW (albeit for a narrow spectrum of users) is it will lock up your XP machine when used with the ICOM PCR-2500 software or with TrunkPCR. I actually like MixW, but can't use it with that unit. My favorites so far are MultiPSK (sooo many modes, and they work!) and the slick HRD app, DM 780. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker f6...@... wrote: Hello Buddy, UGLY looking program. I don't even like to look at it. HRD is nice, but I PSE, say that you don't like the interface and ignore this program. No need to be excessive. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: F.R. Ashley gda...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw My 2 cents worth: I have tried them all and still prefer MixW. It is a simple program yet does everything I want it to. It is neat and orderly in layout and appearance. It will use my RAC CD, a lot of logging programs won't. I just click on a callsign and the logging info fills right in. I've tried MultiPSK, and to be honest, it does a lot, but gawd, that is one UGLY looking program. I don't even like to look at it. HRD is nice, but I don't need all those moving screens and options.. again, it is just too busy for me. I don't need a computer program to change frequency for me, I can turn the knob myself. I don't need a program that is packed with a bunch of strange modes that are rarely, if ever, used. Fldigi won't run on my computer, but I notice a few things that would keep it from being my main digital/logging program. We all have our likes and dislikes, none of us are right or wrong, just different in what we like to use. Since MixW is not free, that alone will drive some guys to HRD, etc.MixW's attraction for me is it's simple, and does it all. If the authors of MixW decide to abandon it, I'd keep using it unless another progarm came up with something really great that would entice me to change. 73 de WB4M Buddy --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, chas chasm@ wrote: Rick W wrote: What is the attraction of MixW now that we have so many other multimode digital programs that are freely available with one program even open source and cross platform? 73, Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
Hi Andy, Is there any likelihood of future MixW development, for example adding Patrick's RSID or CALL-ID features? I get asked this myself and can't answer as I'm not on any MixW mailing lists. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@gmail.com I should mention that this is an UPDATE with new web cluster link, you need the full version already installed. DX Summit is now used as the basis for the web cluster interface in MixW
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
Nothing that I have heard. Nick is somewhat more active, as his health has improved, but I hear that the focus of Mixw improvement is on the logging aspect. Andy On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Simon (HB9DRV)simon.br...@kns.ch wrote: Hi Andy, Is there any likelihood of future MixW development, for example adding Patrick's RSID or CALL-ID features? I get asked this myself and can't answer as I'm not on any MixW mailing lists. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@gmail.com I should mention that this is an UPDATE with new web cluster link, you need the full version already installed. DX Summit is now used as the basis for the web cluster interface in MixW
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
Hi, It's good to hear Nick is better - long time no news. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com Nothing that I have heard. Nick is somewhat more active, as his health has improved, but I hear that the focus of Mixw improvement is on the logging aspect.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
What is the attraction of MixW now that we have so many other multimode digital programs that are freely available with one program even open source and cross platform? 73, Rick, KV9U Andy obrien wrote: Nothing that I have heard. Nick is somewhat more active, as his health has improved, but I hear that the focus of Mixw improvement is on the logging aspect. Andy
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
Rick W wrote: What is the attraction of MixW now that we have so many other multimode digital programs that are freely available with one program even open source and cross platform? 73, Rick, KV9U Rick, nearly all members of Texas Army MARS and Region 6, are using MixW. idly curious, what else is out there that can even almost compete with Nick's software?? look and feel is not a consideration but what else has all the features of or even is better than, MixW? special interest in an OS-X ported version?? thanks chas, k5dam
[digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, chas ch...@... wrote: Rick W wrote: What is the attraction of MixW now that we have so many other multimode digital programs that are freely available with one program even open source and cross platform? 73, Rick, KV9U Rick, nearly all members of Texas Army MARS and Region 6, are using MixW. idly curious, what else is out there that can even almost compete with Nick's software?? look and feel is not a consideration but what else has all the features of or even is better than, MixW? No, let's get back to Rick's question and ask what it is about MixW that you find to be superior to everything else out there. I downloaded a trial version of MixW long ago and wasn't impressed enough to want to go further with it. What am I missing? Jim W6JVE
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
MixW has (I think) support for the data modes used by satellites - that's one thing I would like to support. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: jhaynesatalumni jhhay...@earthlink.net What am I missing?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
jhaynesatalumni wrote: No, let's get back to Rick's question and ask what it is about MixW that you find to be superior to everything else out there. I downloaded a trial version of MixW long ago and wasn't impressed enough to want to go further with it. What am I missing? I can't speak for anyone else but I still use and like MIXW. Why? Because I'm just comfortable using it, not because it's necessarily better. When I first tried a digital mode other than RTTY I used Digipan. I liked it so I purchased MIXW. Since then I've tried others and they work just fine, they just aren't what's burned into my head. I think it's pretty common for people to stick with a tool that we first get comfortable with unless it really has some deficiency. If I were selecting a program for the first time now I imagine HRD would be my personal choice. Tim, N9PUZ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
chas, What are the MARS operators using MixW for? Are there modes that are not available on other programs that they find compelling? I downloaded MixW again today, but it looks about the same as it did in past years. It is a fairly clean interface (albeit, that is a subjective thing for an individual user to determine), but maybe not quite as nice as fldigi, which I think has the best interface in terms of simplicity and understandability of all the multimode digital programs. The font rendering in the text windows is terrible. but I have not looked into the details of whether this can be changed. I would be surprised if it could not, but the default is very poor. MixW is nowhere near as polished as Ham Radio Deluxe, and yet they expect substantial payment for MixW. The world has completely changed in terms of readily available free and often open source software. MixW does not have the FAE 400 ARQ modes only available in Multipsk. That is one mode that I would think MARS might find useful. The one thing MixW can do over all other software is add in the Q15X25 mode, but unfortunately that mode has not been practical on most HF circuits. Does MARS even use the Q15X25 mode? Some things I like about MixW - provides general logging from the program, some thing that even fldigi can not do for non-digital modes - includes packet, however, this is also available in Multipsk I guess what you have not answered is what does MixW have that the other programs do not have? Is MARS use different than for amateur radio use? 73, Rick, KV9U chas wrote: Rick W wrote: What is the attraction of MixW now that we have so many other multimode digital programs that are freely available with one program even open source and cross platform? 73, Rick, KV9U Rick, nearly all members of Texas Army MARS and Region 6, are using MixW. idly curious, what else is out there that can even almost compete with Nick's software?? look and feel is not a consideration but what else has all the features of or even is better than, MixW? special interest in an OS-X ported version?? thanks chas, k5dam Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.70/2177 - Release Date: 06/15/09 05:54:00
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
I think MARS uses MixW mostly for MT63. Here in South Carolina, in Navy MARS, we are standardizing on using fldigi for MT63, and before that some people used MixW and some used Nino's program. It all boils down to whicher user interface is easier to use, or to train people to use. If everyone uses the same program in a traffic net, then training on one single program is much simpler. We have also started introducing a utility we call Wrap (http://w1hkj.com/wrap.html) to South Caroina NAVY MARS, which is used to verify the error-free receipt of the message. Fldigi can automatically parse all the incoming text, extract the wrapped messages, and numerically date stamp and file them for later unwrapping. None of the other MT63 modems do that, of course. 73, Skip KH6TY NNN0VFA Rick W wrote: chas, What are the MARS operators using MixW for? Are there modes that are not available on other programs that they find compelling?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
My 2 cents worth: I have tried them all and still prefer MixW. It is a simple program yet does everything I want it to. It is neat and orderly in layout and appearance. It will use my RAC CD, a lot of logging programs won't. I just click on a callsign and the logging info fills right in. I've tried MultiPSK, and to be honest, it does a lot, but gawd, that is one UGLY looking program. I don't even like to look at it. HRD is nice, but I don't need all those moving screens and options.. again, it is just too busy for me. I don't need a computer program to change frequency for me, I can turn the knob myself. I don't need a program that is packed with a bunch of strange modes that are rarely, if ever, used. Fldigi won't run on my computer, but I notice a few things that would keep it from being my main digital/logging program. We all have our likes and dislikes, none of us are right or wrong, just different in what we like to use. Since MixW is not free, that alone will drive some guys to HRD, etc.MixW's attraction for me is it's simple, and does it all. If the authors of MixW decide to abandon it, I'd keep using it unless another progarm came up with something really great that would entice me to change. 73 de WB4M Buddy --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, chas ch...@... wrote: Rick W wrote: What is the attraction of MixW now that we have so many other multimode digital programs that are freely available with one program even open source and cross platform? 73,
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
It is all about the visual simplicity of its interface . . . elegant in its minimalism. And I say that truly as a complement. Although I like HRD and MultiPSK both for other reasons, MixW is easier to use. More pleasing to the eyes especially versus MultiPSK. Rick - KH2DF Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2009, at 11:52 AM, jhaynesatalumni jhhay...@earthlink.net wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, chas ch...@... wrote: Rick W wrote: What is the attraction of MixW now that we have so many other multimode digital programs that are freely available with one program even open source and cross platform? 73, Rick, KV9U Rick, nearly all members of Texas Army MARS and Region 6, are using MixW. idly curious, what else is out there that can even almost compete with Nick's software?? look and feel is not a consideration but what else has all the features of or even is better than, MixW? No, let's get back to Rick's question and ask what it is about MixW that you find to be superior to everything else out there. I downloaded a trial version of MixW long ago and wasn't impressed enough to want to go further with it. What am I missing? Jim W6JVE
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
Hello Buddy, UGLY looking program. I don't even like to look at it. HRD is nice, but I PSE, say that you don't like the interface and ignore this program. No need to be excessive. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: F.R. Ashley gda...@clearwire.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw My 2 cents worth: I have tried them all and still prefer MixW. It is a simple program yet does everything I want it to. It is neat and orderly in layout and appearance. It will use my RAC CD, a lot of logging programs won't. I just click on a callsign and the logging info fills right in. I've tried MultiPSK, and to be honest, it does a lot, but gawd, that is one UGLY looking program. I don't even like to look at it. HRD is nice, but I don't need all those moving screens and options.. again, it is just too busy for me. I don't need a computer program to change frequency for me, I can turn the knob myself. I don't need a program that is packed with a bunch of strange modes that are rarely, if ever, used. Fldigi won't run on my computer, but I notice a few things that would keep it from being my main digital/logging program. We all have our likes and dislikes, none of us are right or wrong, just different in what we like to use. Since MixW is not free, that alone will drive some guys to HRD, etc.MixW's attraction for me is it's simple, and does it all. If the authors of MixW decide to abandon it, I'd keep using it unless another progarm came up with something really great that would entice me to change. 73 de WB4M Buddy --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, chas ch...@... wrote: Rick W wrote: What is the attraction of MixW now that we have so many other multimode digital programs that are freely available with one program even open source and cross platform? 73, Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
I think that as a digital mode application, MixW is good , but it has lagged seriously behind other applications in the past 2-3 years. The DX cluster operations are no-where near as good as Winwarbler affords via the Spotcollector interface, or the opportunities DM780 has provides via HRD's cluster interface. Logging interfacing in MixW is light-years behind DM780 , Multipsk, or Winwarbler (the latter two seamlessly interface with DX Keeper), although Nick is reportedly planning a major improvementt to Mixw's logger . Multipsk and Fldigi have many 'advanced: features for the digital mode enthusiast that are not contained within MixW. I remember when Skip and Nick combined to take MixW to a level that had not been seen before, so maybe Nick will achieve something similar in future versions. At the moment, in my opinion, it is an app that has past its time. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
Buddy and Rick, What you are describing seems to be flidigi more than any other program. Have you tried this program? And unlike Windows-only programs, fldigi works on more platforms than any other program of its type. Maybe the RAC CD won't work on fldigi though. Fldigi is ultra clean and very simple compared to the eye candy type of programs. Most all the programs now can do rig control but you don't have to use it. But if you are letting the program do the logging of frequency and mode, it is very hard to give up, HI. What are the strange modes? MixW has at least one orphan mode compared with other programs, but fldigi only has very common modes, plus modes like THOR which are an enhanced type of IFK with FEC and mostly to be used with ARQ transmissions for those sending messages or files. I am not sure, but MixW may not directly support Olivia without a separate set up. Fldigi, HRD/DM780, and Multipsk work out of the box. But since the other programs are at least as good, or, even better in some respects, at least the ones you indicate you prefer, it is hard to pay for one product when the others are freely available (but you can donate). 73, Rick, KV9U F.R. Ashley wrote: My 2 cents worth: I have tried them all and still prefer MixW. It is a simple program yet does everything I want it to. It is neat and orderly in layout and appearance. It will use my RAC CD, a lot of logging programs won't. I just click on a callsign and the logging info fills right in. I've tried MultiPSK, and to be honest, it does a lot, but gawd, that is one UGLY looking program. I don't even like to look at it. HRD is nice, but I don't need all those moving screens and options.. again, it is just too busy for me. I don't need a computer program to change frequency for me, I can turn the knob myself. I don't need a program that is packed with a bunch of strange modes that are rarely, if ever, used. Fldigi won't run on my computer, but I notice a few things that would keep it from being my main digital/logging program. We all have our likes and dislikes, none of us are right or wrong, just different in what we like to use. Since MixW is not free, that alone will drive some guys to HRD, etc.MixW's attraction for me is it's simple, and does it all. If the authors of MixW decide to abandon it, I'd keep using it unless another progarm came up with something really great that would entice me to change. 73 de WB4M Buddy and It is all about the visual simplicity of its interface . . . elegant in its minimalism. And I say that truly as a complement. Although I like HRD and MultiPSK both for other reasons, MixW is easier to use. More pleasing to the eyes especially versus MultiPSK. Rick - KH2DF
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
Not quite true...MultiPSK does have the KISS option, but it has a glitch in it so that it passes unacceptable information back to the BBS at the ending of a message. Patrick will no doubt get around to fixing this but there is little demand for it as compared to other mods he is making to the program. 73 Mark KQ0I --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Charles Brabham n5...@uspacket.org wrote: From: Charles Brabham n5...@uspacket.org Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 7:51 PM MixW has the vitual KISS TNC option that other programs lack. This allows you to use MixW's AX25 modes ( Packet, Q15x25 ) with any software that looks for a KISS TNC. In my case, I run MixW as a KISS HF Packet TNC with waterfall display in the same computer with G8BPQ node software ( BPQ32 ) and F6FBB BBS software ( WinFBB32) . While the BBS runs, I can bring up RX windows in any MixW supported mode in order to copy other signals in the passband. You can see a screenshot of this setup running at: http://n5pvl.rgvham.com/stxbbs/screen.htm No other multimode software offers the vitual KISS TNC option - unfortunately. 73 DE Charles, N5PVL
[digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@... wrote: http://mixw.net/files/MixW219b5.zip Andy K3UK I should mention that this is an UPDATE with new web cluster link, you need the full version already installed. DX Summit is now used as the basis for the web cluster interface in MixW Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
Has there been any further progress on this mode? Regards Kevin, ZL1KFM. - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF and of course the modes works well, here is my brief 80M monitoring around 0400 today Call #Times heard N9GUE 3 W7YES 7 ZS6WN 3 N9DSJ 10 Notice that South African was heard, Abdy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@... wrote: I was able to see JT65-HF V1.0 in action tonight. This software is so well designed that I expect it to become the app of choice for HF JT65 operators, especially new operators . It makes my Bozo's Guide to JT65A totally obsolete ! This software is by Joe W6CQZ , check for information about public releases (hopefully soon) at w6cqz.org Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
Yes, a new version for Alpha testing was released last week. As usual, a few issues were uncovered and some fixes developed. I would guess that it is perhaps a month or two away from a beta release. Andy K3UK 2009/5/21 Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle spar...@gmail.com: Has there been any further progress on this mode? Regards Kevin, ZL1KFM. - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF and of course the modes works well, here is my brief 80M monitoring around 0400 today Call #Times heard N9GUE 3 W7YES 7 ZS6WN 3 N9DSJ 10 Notice that South African was heard, Abdy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@... wrote: I was able to see JT65-HF V1.0 in action tonight. This software is so well designed that I expect it to become the app of choice for HF JT65 operators, especially new operators . It makes my Bozo's Guide to JT65A totally obsolete ! This software is by Joe W6CQZ , check for information about public releases (hopefully soon) at w6cqz.org Andy K3UK
[digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland saa...@... wrote: Hi Andy Any news about JT65-HF? 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Steinar, I think an official release from the author W6CQZ is still a few weeks away. My beta version has been quite stable and I use it exclusively now for JT65A but there are some basic features that W6CQZ has to add. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
OK, thanks Andy 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Andrew O'Brien wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland saa...@... wrote: Hi Andy Any news about JT65-HF? 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Steinar, I think an official release from the author W6CQZ is still a few weeks away. My beta version has been quite stable and I use it exclusively now for JT65A but there are some basic features that W6CQZ has to add. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
Hi Andy Any news about JT65-HF? 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
[digitalradio] Re: NEW 20 METER HELL CALLING FREQUENCY
Thanks for the information, actually a good idea. Believe we used to have our original FeldHell club net in that area or up from there a bit; not a heavily used band slice usually, but might need to dodge some Winlink Pactor I and II stuff. 73, Bill N9DSJ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, David Kruh wb2...@... wrote: (or After much discussion, the Feld Hell club has decided to move the recommended 20 meter calling frequency for Hell Modes to 14.063 MHz (from 14.074.) This is being done to avoid the growing number of digital signals at 074. With this move we will free up 074 for the other modes, and provide Hell operators with a clearer area in which to operate. Thank you For more information on the move and on operating Hell Modes visit www.feldhellclub.org
[digitalradio] Re: New ALE Yahoogroup
Good idea, but the first thing I'd recommend is to use something besides the PCALE software as your screenshot on the forum! f, k2ncc
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
I think it is a few weeks away from being released. I should make it clear it is NOT a NEW MODE, just new software that makes JT65A on HF a lot easier. Andy K3UK 2009/3/25 Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle spar...@gmail.com: Andrew, Any news when this digital mode might be out to use? Regards Kevin, ZL1KFM. - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF and of course the modes works well, here is my brief 80M monitoring around 0400 today Call #Times heard N9GUE 3 W7YES 7 ZS6WN 3 N9DSJ 10 Notice that South African was heard, Abdy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@... wrote: I was able to see JT65-HF V1.0 in action tonight. This software is so well designed that I expect it to become the app of choice for HF JT65 operators, especially new operators . It makes my Bozo's Guide to JT65A totally obsolete ! This software is by Joe W6CQZ , check for information about public releases (hopefully soon) at w6cqz.org Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
Andrew, Any news when this digital mode might be out to use? Regards Kevin, ZL1KFM. - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF and of course the modes works well, here is my brief 80M monitoring around 0400 today Call #Times heard N9GUE 3 W7YES 7 ZS6WN 3 N9DSJ 10 Notice that South African was heard, Abdy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@... wrote: I was able to see JT65-HF V1.0 in action tonight. This software is so well designed that I expect it to become the app of choice for HF JT65 operators, especially new operators . It makes my Bozo's Guide to JT65A totally obsolete ! This software is by Joe W6CQZ , check for information about public releases (hopefully soon) at w6cqz.org Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF] wrote: Andrew O'Brien skrev: and of course the modes works well, here is my brief 80M monitoring around 0400 today Call #Times heard N9GUE3 W7YES7 ZS6WN3 N9DSJ10 Notice that South African was heard, Abdy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@... wrote: I was able to see JT65-HF V1.0 in action tonight. This software is so well designed that I expect it to become the app of choice for HF JT65 operators, especially new operators . It makes my Bozo's Guide to JT65A totally obsolete ! This software is by Joe W6CQZ , check for information about public releases (hopefully soon) at w6cqz.org Andy K3UK And of cause the classical question from those of us who live in a Micro$oft-free zone: Will there be a Linux version? -- Vy 73 de OZ1PIF/5Q2M, Peter ** CW: Who? Me? You must be joking!! ** email: peter(no-spam-filler)@frenning.dk http://www.frenning.dk/oz1pif.htm Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *** Hi Peter...was chatting with Joe on the Logger about 3 weeks ago and he was working on a Linux version but had a major problem with the Windows version that he had to fix first... dont know which version Andy was using. im looking out for the Linux version too as i use Kubuntu 8.04 and not the Gates Principle 73 David VK4BDJ
[digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF -Linux
Yes, there IS a Linux version see http://www.w6cqz.org/?p=152
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF] wrote: And of cause the classical question from those of us who live in a Micro$oft-free zone: Will there be a Linux version? Or, better yet, documentation of the JT65 modulation schemes, so JT65* can be added to existing radio programs like fldigi. -- All rights reversed.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
I think it is open, already in three different applications On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Rik van Riel r...@surriel.com wrote: Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF] wrote: And of cause the classical question from those of us who live in a Micro$oft-free zone: Will there be a Linux version? Or, better yet, documentation of the JT65 modulation schemes, so JT65* can be added to existing radio programs like fldigi. -- All rights reversed.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New modes or old modes?
We have been very fortunate to have Tony, K2MO's detailed lab testing to figure out which modes work under different conditions and it has been surprising, and actually a bit disappointing, because most digital modes can only tolerate a small amount of ISI and Doppler. I recently thought of coming up with a list of the different modes and how much they could tolerate but the list is so short. A number of modes will work with significant SNR when conditions are pristine, but as Tony showed, once you have even 2 ms of ISI or 1 Hz of Doppler at a test point of -8 SNR, MFSK16 and Olivia 500/16 seem to be the main modes that keep working. And this includes even worse conditions with 3ms/10 Hz, and 6 ms/10 Hz. He even found 20 wpm CW to be iffy under some of the more difficult conditions. At 7 ms/30 Hz at -3dB (not -8 dB) it was CW 20 wpm and Olivia 500/16 and 500/8. This explains why you sometimes don't have good print on a number of modes, yet it seems like a reasonably good signal. Some modes, such as Domino and THOR were supposed to handle severe ISI, but they don't seem to be able to work well under Tony's tests, even under the lightest amount of ionospheric disturbance. Maybe some one can explain that? If our sunspot situation really is a Maunder Minimum wouldn't that be interesting not. 73, Rick, KV9U Christian Crayton wrote: It's also difficult, in my experience, to find a lot of objective analysis of the modes on the Internet. - - - - - MFSK16 seems like a good all-around mode, and MFSK31 also shows promise. I don't hear a lot of activity in these modes, but then I also have poor, inside antennas. I'm not sure which will improve first, my antenna or the sunspot count. :)
[digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
and of course the modes works well, here is my brief 80M monitoring around 0400 today Call #Times heard N9GUE 3 W7YES 7 ZS6WN 3 N9DSJ 10 Notice that South African was heard, Abdy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@... wrote: I was able to see JT65-HF V1.0 in action tonight. This software is so well designed that I expect it to become the app of choice for HF JT65 operators, especially new operators . It makes my Bozo's Guide to JT65A totally obsolete ! This software is by Joe W6CQZ , check for information about public releases (hopefully soon) at w6cqz.org Andy K3UK
[digitalradio] Re: New modes or old modes?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick W mrf...@... wrote: Truthfully, Christian, my goal is to find the modes that work the best under different conditions. There are not that many. It's also difficult, in my experience, to find a lot of objective analysis of the modes on the Internet. I like MFSK16 if both stations have good frequency stability, since it is about the narrowest robust mode with good throughput. In order to get MFSK16 seems like a good all-around mode, and MFSK31 also shows promise. I don't hear a lot of activity in these modes, but then I also have poor, inside antennas. I'm not sure which will improve first, my antenna or the sunspot count. :) Olivia to work well, you need to use at least the 500 Hz wide version and the 16 tone has very slow throughput and has similar robustness to MFSK16. Sometimes Olivia may work better, sometimes not. But it is easier to tune in and decode. I've wanted to experiment with Contestia, which is a variant of Olivia that uses a shorter block length. It's about as robust as Olivia, only 1 dB less sensitive, but twice as fast. Very snappy turnaround that I think would probably be good for nets. When we use some of the newest modes, such as Domino EX and THOR, for all practical purposes aren't we using a modern version of piccolo and Pretty much. There is little new under the sun. MFSK16 is basically piccolo, and CROWD (used by many embassies during the Cold War times) isn't much different. Mix up the tones, change up the alphabet, there isn't a lot of difference. For the best chat (and simultaneously messaging) mode, I like FAE400 but you will rarely find anyone else who will use it. It is only available on Multipsk which may be part of the reason. If it was on the other multimode programs, I think you might find it used more. FAE400 is a new one on me. I'll have to fire up my copy of Multipsk and play it into the speakers so I can recognize it on the air. I had no takers after trying THOR, DominoEX, and FAE400, but I do try every so often and sometimes will work a station. Same here. Of course, I have difficulty getting anyone in my part of Louisiana interested in digital modes. Not going to stop me from trying, though/ 73, Rick, KV9U Christian Crayton wrote: If you could experiment with a mode for the first time, would you rather try a new mode like Thor, or an old-school mode like CROWD or Piccolo? I've been thinking about fiddling with FFT and programming, and have thought about bringing some of the original digital modes used by various diplomatic and military organizations back to life. A bit like Hell, but not that old school... I always get stuck between old and new, I guess that one of the things I like about amateur radio. There's about a 100-year technology range that you can play with in one afternoon!
[digitalradio] Re: New modes or old modes?
From a purely nostalgic viewpoint some of the older MFSK modes like Piccolo, Coquelet Crowd could be a lot of fun to use on the amateur bands. Performance-wise they are probably eclipsed by MFSK16/Olivia but just as in Hellschreiber even CW, performance isn't everything. Nostalgia would be my primary motivation. Hellscrieber is probably my favorite mode, because by using it I can keep a small part of history alive. The mix of pre-WWII technology and computerized, DSP radios makes me smile deep down in this geeky heart of mine. :)
[digitalradio] Re: New 7MHz IARU Region 1 Bandplan
Thanks for the info Bonnie, I was hoping that region 1 and 2 would now share the same narrow band mode segment. What is now happening is that many of the narrow band mode operators in region 2 are moving in to the segment suggested by the region 1 band plan. Maybe region 2 will make a change. I also note that the entire added 100 kHz is to be wide band modes (SSB). If I were king it would have been different. I hope your wrong about the broadcasters. Yours truly, Eric - K9NP --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio expeditionra...@... wrote: 7MHz IARU Region 1 Bandplan (effective 29 MAR 2009) IARU Region 1 is Europe/Africa/Russia/MiddleEast. More details: http://hflink.com/bandplans === FREQ kHz (BANDWIDTH) PREFERRED MODE AND USAGE === 7000-7025 (200Hz) CW, contest preferred 7025-7040 (200Hz) CW [7030= QRP Centre of Activity] 7040-7047 (500Hz) Narrow band modes - digimodes 7047-7050 (500Hz) Narrow band modes digimodes, automatically controlled data stations (unattended) 7050-7053 (2700Hz) All modes - digimodes, automatically controlled data stations (unattended) 7053-7060 (2700Hz) All modes - digimodes 7060-7100 (2700Hz) All modes, SSB contest preferred [7070= Digital Voice Centre of Activity] [7090= SSB QRP Centre of Activity] 7100-7130 (2700Hz) All modes [7110= Region 1 Emergency Centre of Activity] 7130-7200 (2700Hz All modes, SSB contest preferred [7165= Image Centre of Activity] 7175-7200 (2700Hz) All modes, priority for intercontinental operation More details on bandplans: http://hflink.com/bandplans Some comments and notes on the new bandplan de Bonnie KQ6XA: 1. Region 1 is Europe/Africa/Russia/MiddleEast. The IARU Region 1 bandplan has been updated, effective 29 March 2009, and it includes the ITU change of the 7100kHz-7200kHz band to allow ham radio use in Region 1. 2. In some cases, Region 1 hams may need to disregard the suggested IARU R1 bandplan in order to communicate with operators of countries which have different rules and regulations for frequency use. This includes USA, Japan, some countries of Africa, South America, and Asia. 3. The shortwave broadcast stations of Africa, Asia (especially China, etc) or South America will probably not move out of the 7100kHz-7200kHz band soon. They will continue for a long time, to make this part of the band nearly useless from evening to morning. Some countries opposed the removal of this band from shortwave broadcast... they are the most likely ones to be reluctant to move out... or they may never actually move. 4. Placement of the Emergency Centre of Activity Frequency at 7110kHz is interesting. However, it will be plagued by strong QRM from rogue broadcasters of various nations for years into the future. The bandplanners might have been naive to remove the existing 7060kHz Emergency Centre of Activity Frequency from the 2006 bandplan. It would have been better to list both frequencies during the next few years of interim changes in spectrum use. 5. Unfortunately, like previous years, the bandplan committee paid scant attention to the needs of the auto digital ham community. The plan provides only one channel for high speed data in a shared overlapping area of the band where SSB voice will continue to be widely used by the operators of Region 1 (and 2, and 3). Although some auto data entities will try to meet this suggested change, the reality is that this leaves most operators involved in the constant volume of fast data activity with little choice other than disregarding the bandplan's suggestion. 6. Many countries of Region 1, Region 2, and Region 3 likely do not plan to update their ham radio spectrum allocations, and it may take many years for it to happen (if ever). In the interim, it is more likely that the band will continue to be used by 3rd world bootleggers and pirates... as well as government entities. There is really not much recourse for hams to deal with those problems. 73 Bonnie KQ6XA
[digitalradio] Re: New 7MHz IARU Region 1 Bandplan
Thanks for the info Bonnie, I was hoping that region 1 and 2 would now share the same narrow band mode segment. What is now happening is that many of the narrow band mode operators in region 2 are moving in to the segment suggested by the region 1 band plan. Maybe region 2 will make a change. I also note that the entire added 100 kHz is to be wide band modes (SSB). If I were king it would have been different. I hope your wrong about the broadcasters. Yours truly, Eric - K9NP --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio expeditionra...@... wrote: 7MHz IARU Region 1 Bandplan (effective 29 MAR 2009) IARU Region 1 is Europe/Africa/Russia/MiddleEast. More details: http://hflink.com/bandplans === FREQ kHz (BANDWIDTH) PREFERRED MODE AND USAGE === 7000-7025 (200Hz) CW, contest preferred 7025-7040 (200Hz) CW [7030= QRP Centre of Activity] 7040-7047 (500Hz) Narrow band modes - digimodes 7047-7050 (500Hz) Narrow band modes digimodes, automatically controlled data stations (unattended) 7050-7053 (2700Hz) All modes - digimodes, automatically controlled data stations (unattended) 7053-7060 (2700Hz) All modes - digimodes 7060-7100 (2700Hz) All modes, SSB contest preferred [7070= Digital Voice Centre of Activity] [7090= SSB QRP Centre of Activity] 7100-7130 (2700Hz) All modes [7110= Region 1 Emergency Centre of Activity] 7130-7200 (2700Hz All modes, SSB contest preferred [7165= Image Centre of Activity] 7175-7200 (2700Hz) All modes, priority for intercontinental operation More details on bandplans: http://hflink.com/bandplans Some comments and notes on the new bandplan de Bonnie KQ6XA: 1. Region 1 is Europe/Africa/Russia/MiddleEast. The IARU Region 1 bandplan has been updated, effective 29 March 2009, and it includes the ITU change of the 7100kHz-7200kHz band to allow ham radio use in Region 1. 2. In some cases, Region 1 hams may need to disregard the suggested IARU R1 bandplan in order to communicate with operators of countries which have different rules and regulations for frequency use. This includes USA, Japan, some countries of Africa, South America, and Asia. 3. The shortwave broadcast stations of Africa, Asia (especially China, etc) or South America will probably not move out of the 7100kHz-7200kHz band soon. They will continue for a long time, to make this part of the band nearly useless from evening to morning. Some countries opposed the removal of this band from shortwave broadcast... they are the most likely ones to be reluctant to move out... or they may never actually move. 4. Placement of the Emergency Centre of Activity Frequency at 7110kHz is interesting. However, it will be plagued by strong QRM from rogue broadcasters of various nations for years into the future. The bandplanners might have been naive to remove the existing 7060kHz Emergency Centre of Activity Frequency from the 2006 bandplan. It would have been better to list both frequencies during the next few years of interim changes in spectrum use. 5. Unfortunately, like previous years, the bandplan committee paid scant attention to the needs of the auto digital ham community. The plan provides only one channel for high speed data in a shared overlapping area of the band where SSB voice will continue to be widely used by the operators of Region 1 (and 2, and 3). Although some auto data entities will try to meet this suggested change, the reality is that this leaves most operators involved in the constant volume of fast data activity with little choice other than disregarding the bandplan's suggestion. 6. Many countries of Region 1, Region 2, and Region 3 likely do not plan to update their ham radio spectrum allocations, and it may take many years for it to happen (if ever). In the interim, it is more likely that the band will continue to be used by 3rd world bootleggers and pirates... as well as government entities. There is really not much recourse for hams to deal with those problems. 73 Bonnie KQ6XA
[digitalradio] Re: New 7MHz IARU Region 1 Bandplan
Rick N6RK wrote What are these comments based on? They are not consistent with the April QST article. Do you know something the ARRL doesn't know or isn't telling? Hi Rick, The April 2009 QST article by Brennan N4QX, is good, and it provides a feel-good positive spin back story on what has been happening with the 7MHz band changes. It trumpets the success of the WRC process. The reality is, that the process took several decades too long to yield any positive results for the ham community. For USA hams in the lower 48 states, the combination of an ill-conceived FCC-dictated phone band which was not congruent with the realities of the international allocation in the 40 meter band has thwarted nightly SSB voice communications for several generations. Respectfully, Brennan's article, in my opinion, is overly optimistic and glosses over the realities of the spectrum allocation footnote problem, and the little-known fact that any country that wants to operate a rogue transmitter can basically do so on any frequency at their whim, because each country regulates its own spectrum with national sovereignty. What seems like an innocuous little footnote can legitimize the negation of a main category of the international spectrum allocation. A simple analogy example for USA hams is, that two federal entities, FCC and NTIA, have separate control over the same RF spectrum, and assign or allocate the same frequencies at the same time, in parallel, and sometimes in direct opposition. In my opinion, it is either overly optimistic or naive, to think that all broadcasters and continuous fixed data transmitters in China or South America or Africa will instantly vacate the 7100-7200kHz band. Keep in mind that there are broadcasters and fixed data presently operating in other ham bands that are allocated primary to ham radio. Now, we have a new bandplan for Region 1 that sets up a situation of contention between traditional SSB voice, digital, and operators in other countries and other regions. We are supposed to be communicators, but the people who represent us have often done things to thwart communication between us. Most of these IARU Bandplans and national bandplans are done in secret, without any input or interface with the general ham community. Bonnie KQ6XA
[digitalradio] Re: New modes or old modes?
I would love to try Piccolo Andy K3UK--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Christian Crayton n5...@... wrote: If you could experiment with a mode for the first time, would you rather try a new mode like Thor, or an old-school mode like CROWD or Piccolo? I've been thinking about fiddling with FFT and programming, and have thought about bringing some of the original digital modes used by various diplomatic and military organizations back to life. A bit li
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTT 3.0.150_Beta
Hi all There is some MFTT activity on around 14.075 now 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Norbert Pieper wrote: Hi Paul, try the new MFTT 3.0.150_Beta it now has a simple FEC in a way that single damaged characters are suppressed. They will no longer damage the sync of the whole word. Do not expect a wonder, but it will help a bit. I had to double the pause between the words to be able to distinguish between of damaged part of character and end of word. 73's Norbert --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, pa0ocd paulwijn...@... wrote: Hello Norbert, Yes ok about tuning in, in the first Test I was doing only the transmitting Last night I heard a MFFT station on 80 meters and it was Yussi OH7TE. The signal strength was about s-6 with QSB, so a pretty good signal and I had no problem tuning in and decoding the signal at Half speed. We made contact and later on we changed to 1/4 speed and decoding performed well with a few errors, but had the impression that some kind of FEC would be helpfull. BTW: The auto AFC was doing a fine job! So we will do more testing on the air with MFFT soon. 73 Paul, pa0ocd No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release Date: 27.01.2009 07:26
[digitalradio] Re: New MFTT 3.0.150_Beta
Hello Steinar, Norbert and all the others: On 80 mtrs 3.590 usb and up, there is also MFTT activity now. Saw ON, OK and OH around 20.00 utc. I have the impression that some stations are still using the old version without FEC, but that will change soon. Norbert: My first impression of the new FEC MFTT is that the FEC is helping fine. Have to do more tests, perhaps tonight.. 73 Paul, pa0ocd --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland saa...@... wrote: Hi all There is some MFTT activity on around 14.075 now 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Norbert Pieper wrote: Hi Paul, try the new MFTT 3.0.150_Beta it now has a simple FEC in a way that single damaged characters are suppressed. They will no longer damage the sync of the whole word. Do not expect a wonder, but it will help a bit. I had to double the pause between the words to be able to distinguish between of damaged part of character and end of word. 73's Norbert --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, pa0ocd paulwijnand@ wrote: Hello Norbert, Yes ok about tuning in, in the first Test I was doing only the transmitting Last night I heard a MFFT station on 80 meters and it was Yussi OH7TE. The signal strength was about s-6 with QSB, so a pretty good signal and I had no problem tuning in and decoding the signal at Half speed. We made contact and later on we changed to 1/4 speed and decoding performed well with a few errors, but had the impression that some kind of FEC would be helpfull. BTW: The auto AFC was doing a fine job! So we will do more testing on the air with MFFT soon. 73 Paul, pa0ocd -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release Date: 27.01.2009 07:26
[digitalradio] Re: New MFTT 3.0.147_Beta
Hello Norbert, Yes ok about tuning in, in the first Test I was doing only the transmitting Last night I heard a MFFT station on 80 meters and it was Yussi OH7TE. The signal strength was about s-6 with QSB, so a pretty good signal and I had no problem tuning in and decoding the signal at Half speed. We made contact and later on we changed to 1/4 speed and decoding performed well with a few errors, but had the impression that some kind of FEC would be helpfull. BTW: The auto AFC was doing a fine job! So we will do more testing on the air with MFFT soon. 73 Paul, pa0ocd
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTT 3.0.147_Beta
Hi Paul and the rest I am testing MFFT with some local HAM here. I am running a beacon (double) in MFFT on 14.075 now.I will let it be one for about 20min 73 de LA5VNA Steinar pa0ocd wrote: Hello Norbert, Yes ok about tuning in, in the first Test I was doing only the transmitting Last night I heard a MFFT station on 80 meters and it was Yussi OH7TE. The signal strength was about s-6 with QSB, so a pretty good signal and I had no problem tuning in and decoding the signal at Half speed. We made contact and later on we changed to 1/4 speed and decoding performed well with a few errors, but had the impression that some kind of FEC would be helpfull. BTW: The auto AFC was doing a fine job! So we will do more testing on the air with MFFT soon. 73 Paul, pa0ocd No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release Date: 27.01.2009 07:26
[digitalradio] Re: New MFTT 3.0.150_Beta
Hi Paul, try the new MFTT 3.0.150_Beta it now has a simple FEC in a way that single damaged characters are suppressed. They will no longer damage the sync of the whole word. Do not expect a wonder, but it will help a bit. I had to double the pause between the words to be able to distinguish between of damaged part of character and end of word. 73's Norbert --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, pa0ocd paulwijn...@... wrote: Hello Norbert, Yes ok about tuning in, in the first Test I was doing only the transmitting Last night I heard a MFFT station on 80 meters and it was Yussi OH7TE. The signal strength was about s-6 with QSB, so a pretty good signal and I had no problem tuning in and decoding the signal at Half speed. We made contact and later on we changed to 1/4 speed and decoding performed well with a few errors, but had the impression that some kind of FEC would be helpfull. BTW: The auto AFC was doing a fine job! So we will do more testing on the air with MFFT soon. 73 Paul, pa0ocd
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New to the Group
Thanks to everyone who responded. Offline and to the group. The encouragement it appreciated. Have a great day and thanks again. 73 Steve V73CS - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:01 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New to the Group --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, clarkmvimi clarkmv...@... wrote: Good day. I am new to the group and digital modes. My name is Steve Clark V73CS and I am located in the Marshall Islands. I am wanting to setup a digital station here. I have someone sending me an AEA 232 MBX for my station here. I was wondering about software for it and what other TNC/interface would be recomended for a beginner to setup a digital station. Thanks in advance for the bandwidth and have a great day. 73 Steve Clark V73CS/N4TKP Majuro, Marshall Islands Welcome Steve, I would recommend any of the following FLdigi, Multipsk, DM780, and DXLab Suite with Winwarbler. For an interface, take a look at the Microham line of interfaces. Andy K3UK
[digitalradio] Re: New to the Group
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, clarkmvimi clarkmv...@... wrote: Good day. I am new to the group and digital modes. My name is Steve Clark V73CS and I am located in the Marshall Islands. I am wanting to setup a digital station here. I have someone sending me an AEA 232 MBX for my station here. I was wondering about software for it and what other TNC/interface would be recomended for a beginner to setup a digital station. Thanks in advance for the bandwidth and have a great day. 73 Steve Clark V73CS/N4TKP Majuro, Marshall Islands Welcome Steve, I would recommend any of the following FLdigi, Multipsk, DM780, and DXLab Suite with Winwarbler. For an interface, take a look at the Microham line of interfaces. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145
dear kevin just drop norbert a mail and he will answer how to solve the problem i will forward this mail to him maybe he has a solution greetz dg9bfc sigi - Original Message - From: Kevin Mitchell To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145 HI, I have just downloaded this program and installed it on my radio computer. Problem, when I run it after installing I get the error message Run-time error '372' Failed to load control 'RichTestBox' from RICHTX32.OCX. Your version of RICHTX32.OCX may be outdated. Make sure you are using the version of control that was provided with your application. I am running XP Pro and have down-loaded VB6 Runtime from the MFTTY website. I have even downloaded the RICHTX32.OCX file and followed the instructions to install on my computer, BUT this has not fixed the problem, still getting the same error message. Is there any reason why this might be happening? Any help would be grateful Kevin, ZL1KFM. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:35 PM, F.R. Ashley gda...@clearwire.net wrote: I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station. Where is everyone hiding? I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded there with PSK and all. I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no luck there either. Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode? 73 Buddy WB4M - Original Message - From: W6IDS To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145 To All, I did download the new release and found a couple of things. Pressing the Appointments button takes me to K3UK's page but there's no way to post comments or log in. If I instead go to my Favorites and select the page, I can log in and post comments, etc. Also, I've been running in HALF setting. Has anyone tried the other settings: Double or 1/4? I tried Normal and found garbage on the screen with no success in cleaning it up, operator error possibility not withstanding. Is there a real incentive for operators to be able to change tone frequencies in the TX options? Are we supposed to uninstall the previous release before unpacking a newer release? After running the newest version now for a few minutes, I find now that I cannot get it to go to maximized from a minimized condition. The small replica of the program does appear when moving the cursor to the minimized position on the lower bar. I also downloaded the Magic Clip, I believe it is called, and am playing with that for a bit. Is there some way to save the definitions created in the Macro Keys rather than have them erased each time a newer version of the software is installed? That is one reason why I am looking at that Magic Clip thingie and not just to reduce my transmitting burden I know this is a new mode, but has anyone determined just what the direction will be for MFTTY? I think it's a slick offering but.that's just me. I'd be curious about other thoughts. Howard W6IIDS Richmond, IN - Original Message - From: Siegfried Jackstien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New Version .144 new version of mftty now it is version 30.145 see here http://www.polar-electric.com/MFTT/index.html download it and try it out SNIP greetz dg9bfc
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145
dear buddy just go on the spot page (chatpage) and there you can find others to test with greetz dg9bfc sigi
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145
dear howard answers are intermitted in your txt To All, I did download the new release and found a couple of things. Pressing the Appointments button takes me to K3UK's page but there's no way to post comments or log in. If I instead go to my Favorites and select the page, I can log in and post comments, etc. i dropped a mail to norbert that the link has to be changed Also, I've been running in HALF setting. Has anyone tried the other settings: Double or 1/4? I tried Normal and found garbage on the screen with no success in cleaning it up, operator error possibility not withstanding. i tested the software with my pc mic laying in front of my pc speaker with different speed settings . all worked fine Is there a real incentive for operators to be able to change tone frequencies in the TX options? some users use narrow filters or passband tuning when opperating digital modes if you have your sweet dpot maybe on 1500hz or on 2000hz changing option of the af frequency is a must have Are we supposed to uninstall the previous release before unpacking a newer release? i never deinstalled the older versions but you have to cklick on don´t make shortcuts in the programmfolder and don´t make shortcut on desktop during the installing process but the cleanest way is to deinstall the older version before installing a new one After running the newest version now for a few minutes, I find now that I cannot get it to go to maximized from a minimized condition. The small replica of the program does appear when moving the cursor to the minimized position on the lower bar. on my pc i can minimize to taskbar and when clicked on the tab on the taskbar the programm reopens to normal size don´t know what is the problem c ause on my pc all is working fine you should send a mail to norbert and tell him that problem I also downloaded the Magic Clip, I believe it is called, and am playing with that for a bit. i didn´t try this magic clip so i can´t say anything about Is there some way to save the definitions created in the Macro Keys rather than have them erased each time a newer version of the software is installed? That is one reason why I am looking at that Magic Clip thingie and not just to reduce my transmitting burden just backup text1.txt text2.txt ... text8.txt after installing the new version just copy them back to programmfolder I know this is a new mode, but has anyone determined just what the direction will be for MFTTY? I think it's a slick offering but.that's just me. I'd be curious about other thoughts. just a new mode for weak signal :-) best 73´s de dg9bfc sigi
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145
Well, I don't see the problem if the Tower of Babel is getting larger and larger. I think diversity is crucial to innovation. I find it satisfactory to play with new modes, and I have to play with them to find out what the advantages are (..) over previous modes . My thanks to all of you guys who is working making free software for the ham community . 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rick W wrote: Is it just possible that there is not that much interest in the mode? I did download the software yesterday and tried setting it up but I was not able to get the RTS line keying the rig. I was able to listen to the tones and it does appear to be DTMF tones. The question is ... why have yet another mode, unless it has some new capabilities over what we already have? I think that some of us are getting a bit concerned that the Tower of Babel is getting larger and larger, and the result is not necessarily better digital communications, but just more separate communications which reduces our interoperability. Would it not be better to use this tremendous energy and knowledge to further the radio art and develop low cost technologies that work better and faster and most importantly, adaptable to conditions? If some feel that I am being unfair, then could you please explain what the advantages are of this mode over previous modes? 73, Rick, KV9U F.R. Ashley wrote: *I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station. Where is everyone hiding?* *I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded there with PSK and all. I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no luck there either.* ** *Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?* ** *73 Buddy WB4M* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date: 14.01.2009 19:27
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145
There is always a search for a Holy Grail of digital modes for ham radio, with ease of use, performance, robustness, resistance to atmospheric doppler, bandwidth, speed, FUN, etc! Personally, I just like the musical sound of MFTTY and appreciate the uniqueness of Norbert's approach. Once the user friendliness gets ironed out, I look forward to being able to find people using the mode often. MFTTY is easily distinguishable from other modes - it sounds a little like Throb perhaps, but not idential, so I do not think it is so much a different tongue on the Tower of Babel that is difficult to distinguish on the waterfall presentation, as some of the flavors of Olivia and DominoEx are. Other opinions may vary, of course, but my opinion is that I just ENJOY using the mode. It probably will never be as popular as PSK31 for chatting, but it definitely is FUN in my persoanl opinion! (I am one of those old guys who started with a green key machine on RTTY and miss the clatter and smell of the machine oil - but I also appreciate the progress in performance, convenience, and friendliness of the soundcard modes). Let's all play with MFTTY and send Norbert our comments and suggestions. It might turn out to be more than it appears at first glance. One thing is for sure, Norbert has done a very complete and respectable job on these initial beta implementations! 73, Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145 Well, I don't see the problem if the Tower of Babel is getting larger and larger. I think diversity is crucial to innovation. I find it satisfactory to play with new modes, and I have to play with them to find out what the advantages are (..) over previous modes . My thanks to all of you guys who is working making free software for the ham community . 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rick W wrote: Is it just possible that there is not that much interest in the mode? I did download the software yesterday and tried setting it up but I was not able to get the RTS line keying the rig. I was able to listen to the tones and it does appear to be DTMF tones. The question is ... why have yet another mode, unless it has some new capabilities over what we already have? I think that some of us are getting a bit concerned that the Tower of Babel is getting larger and larger, and the result is not necessarily better digital communications, but just more separate communications which reduces our interoperability. Would it not be better to use this tremendous energy and knowledge to further the radio art and develop low cost technologies that work better and faster and most importantly, adaptable to conditions? If some feel that I am being unfair, then could you please explain what the advantages are of this mode over previous modes? 73, Rick, KV9U F.R. Ashley wrote: *I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station. Where is everyone hiding?* *I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded there with PSK and all. I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no luck there either.* ** *Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?* ** *73 Buddy WB4M* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date: 14.01.2009 19:27 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1785 - Release Date: 11/13/2008 9:12 AM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145
DTMF tones are easy to distinguish for us OT's. Maybe not so easy for new digital hams, but and that might be a useful characteristic as long as it can compete well against the existing modes of which we have many, some with not that much difference in performance. A couple days ago I started working on a new document that looked at the various digital modes, particularly the sound card modes, to put some kind of perspective for hams new to digital modes. But after working on this for a while, I realized that there were only a few that do work well in terms of speed vs ISI vs Doppler, vs weak signal, vs bandwidth, etc., so it is nearly a moot point. And even though some modes are superior to other modes under some conditions, if no one uses them, then no matter how good they may be, it won't matter. Over the past few years, we have seen a new mode come along, get a lot of comments on groups like this one to try and coordinate with other hams, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. But after a few weeks, it dies down and you never hear much again. If I understand Patrick, F6CTE's critique of his implementation of DTMF, which has been in Multipsk for some time, this is not a weak signal mode and requires signals to be well above zero dB S/N. Or is this implementation that much different? I sure do not miss the green keys and my Model 15 TTY and homebrew TU and loop supply. I am totally sold on computer generated digital modes, especially the sound card modes that avoid vendor lock in and special hardware. 73, Rick, KV9U kh6ty wrote: There is always a search for a Holy Grail of digital modes for ham radio, with ease of use, performance, robustness, resistance to atmospheric doppler, bandwidth, speed, FUN, etc! Personally, I just like the musical sound of MFTTY and appreciate the uniqueness of Norbert's approach. Once the user friendliness gets ironed out, I look forward to being able to find people using the mode often. MFTTY is easily distinguishable from other modes - it sounds a little like Throb perhaps, but not idential, so I do not think it is so much a different tongue on the Tower of Babel that is difficult to distinguish on the waterfall presentation, as some of the flavors of Olivia and DominoEx are. Other opinions may vary, of course, but my opinion is that I just ENJOY using the mode. It probably will never be as popular as PSK31 for chatting, but it definitely is FUN in my persoanl opinion! (I am one of those old guys who started with a green key machine on RTTY and miss the clatter and smell of the machine oil - but I also appreciate the progress in performance, convenience, and friendliness of the soundcard modes). Let's all play with MFTTY and send Norbert our comments and suggestions. It might turn out to be more than it appears at first glance. One thing is for sure, Norbert has done a very complete and respectable job on these initial beta implementations! 73, Skip KH6TY
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145
dear rick conventional dtmf does need a very good s/n ratio BUT in mftty there are slower modes with much less shift and very narrow filters so you can pick up a very low signal out of the noise you know surely if bandwith is getting lower the s/n increases i tested the soft off-air and i could detect a signal with my pc mic in front of pc speaker that i could not detect by ear ... and i had some background noise during the test cause my girlfriend was watching tv :-) i know that this is not a real test like testing it on the air but i am sure it will work for weak signals greetz dg9bfc sigi - Original Message - From: Rick W To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145 DTMF tones are easy to distinguish for us OT's. Maybe not so easy for new digital hams, but and that might be a useful characteristic as long as it can compete well against the existing modes of which we have many, some with not that much difference in performance. A couple days ago I started working on a new document that looked at the various digital modes, particularly the sound card modes, to put some kind of perspective for hams new to digital modes. But after working on this for a while, I realized that there were only a few that do work well in terms of speed vs ISI vs Doppler, vs weak signal, vs bandwidth, etc., so it is nearly a moot point. And even though some modes are superior to other modes under some conditions, if no one uses them, then no matter how good they may be, it won't matter. Over the past few years, we have seen a new mode come along, get a lot of comments on groups like this one to try and coordinate with other hams, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. But after a few weeks, it dies down and you never hear much again. If I understand Patrick, F6CTE's critique of his implementation of DTMF, which has been in Multipsk for some time, this is not a weak signal mode and requires signals to be well above zero dB S/N. Or is this implementation that much different? I sure do not miss the green keys and my Model 15 TTY and homebrew TU and loop supply. I am totally sold on computer generated digital modes, especially the sound card modes that avoid vendor lock in and special hardware. 73, Rick, KV9U kh6ty wrote: There is always a search for a Holy Grail of digital modes for ham radio, with ease of use, performance, robustness, resistance to atmospheric doppler, bandwidth, speed, FUN, etc! Personally, I just like the musical sound of MFTTY and appreciate the uniqueness of Norbert's approach. Once the user friendliness gets ironed out, I look forward to being able to find people using the mode often. MFTTY is easily distinguishable from other modes - it sounds a little like Throb perhaps, but not idential, so I do not think it is so much a different tongue on the Tower of Babel that is difficult to distinguish on the waterfall presentation, as some of the flavors of Olivia and DominoEx are. Other opinions may vary, of course, but my opinion is that I just ENJOY using the mode. It probably will never be as popular as PSK31 for chatting, but it definitely is FUN in my persoanl opinion! (I am one of those old guys who started with a green key machine on RTTY and miss the clatter and smell of the machine oil - but I also appreciate the progress in performance, convenience, and friendliness of the soundcard modes). Let's all play with MFTTY and send Norbert our comments and suggestions. It might turn out to be more than it appears at first glance. One thing is for sure, Norbert has done a very complete and respectable job on these initial beta implementations! 73, Skip KH6TY
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145
100%agree dg9bfc sigi - Original Message - From: kh6ty To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145 There is always a search for a Holy Grail of digital modes for ham radio, with ease of use, performance, robustness, resistance to atmospheric doppler, bandwidth, speed, FUN, etc! Personally, I just like the musical sound of MFTTY and appreciate the uniqueness of Norbert's approach. Once the user friendliness gets ironed out, I look forward to being able to find people using the mode often. MFTTY is easily distinguishable from other modes - it sounds a little like Throb perhaps, but not idential, so I do not think it is so much a different tongue on the Tower of Babel that is difficult to distinguish on the waterfall presentation, as some of the flavors of Olivia and DominoEx are. Other opinions may vary, of course, but my opinion is that I just ENJOY using the mode. It probably will never be as popular as PSK31 for chatting, but it definitely is FUN in my persoanl opinion! (I am one of those old guys who started with a green key machine on RTTY and miss the clatter and smell of the machine oil - but I also appreciate the progress in performance, convenience, and friendliness of the soundcard modes). Let's all play with MFTTY and send Norbert our comments and suggestions. It might turn out to be more than it appears at first glance. One thing is for sure, Norbert has done a very complete and respectable job on these initial beta implementations! 73, Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145 Well, I don't see the problem if the Tower of Babel is getting larger and larger. I think diversity is crucial to innovation. I find it satisfactory to play with new modes, and I have to play with them to find out what the advantages are (..) over previous modes . My thanks to all of you guys who is working making free software for the ham community . 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rick W wrote: Is it just possible that there is not that much interest in the mode? I did download the software yesterday and tried setting it up but I was not able to get the RTS line keying the rig. I was able to listen to the tones and it does appear to be DTMF tones. The question is ... why have yet another mode, unless it has some new capabilities over what we already have? I think that some of us are getting a bit concerned that the Tower of Babel is getting larger and larger, and the result is not necessarily better digital communications, but just more separate communications which reduces our interoperability. Would it not be better to use this tremendous energy and knowledge to further the radio art and develop low cost technologies that work better and faster and most importantly, adaptable to conditions? If some feel that I am being unfair, then could you please explain what the advantages are of this mode over previous modes? 73, Rick, KV9U F.R. Ashley wrote: *I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station. Where is everyone hiding?* *I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded there with PSK and all. I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no luck there either.* ** *Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?* ** *73 Buddy WB4M* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date: 14.01.2009 19:27 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1785 - Release Date: 11/13/2008 9:12 AM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145
100%agree dg9bfc sigi - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145 Well, I don't see the problem if the Tower of Babel is getting larger and larger. I think diversity is crucial to innovation. I find it satisfactory to play with new modes, and I have to play with them to find out what the advantages are (..) over previous modes . My thanks to all of you guys who is working making free software for the ham community . 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rick W wrote: Is it just possible that there is not that much interest in the mode? I did download the software yesterday and tried setting it up but I was not able to get the RTS line keying the rig. I was able to listen to the tones and it does appear to be DTMF tones. The question is ... why have yet another mode, unless it has some new capabilities over what we already have? I think that some of us are getting a bit concerned that the Tower of Babel is getting larger and larger, and the result is not necessarily better digital communications, but just more separate communications which reduces our interoperability. Would it not be better to use this tremendous energy and knowledge to further the radio art and develop low cost technologies that work better and faster and most importantly, adaptable to conditions? If some feel that I am being unfair, then could you please explain what the advantages are of this mode over previous modes? 73, Rick, KV9U F.R. Ashley wrote: *I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station. Where is everyone hiding?* *I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded there with PSK and all. I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no luck there either.* ** *Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?* ** *73 Buddy WB4M* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date: 14.01.2009 19:27
