Re: [slim] FF Rewind using 7.2 ROCKS
I am also one of those who really wants to honor the development team on the new REW/FWD feature! Philip, did you know that if you set the player's screensaver timeout parameter to e.g. 20 seconds, then you have - from the point you release e.g. FWD - 20 seconds to listen from the new position and to decide if you reached the desired position or not. If you did not you can within the timeout period single-press REW/FWD multiple times to move position in small increments of 5 to 10 seconds. Each time you do this, the timeout countdown is restarted. Thus, you can keep on doing so until completely satisfied :-) Ronny -- RonHatl RonHatl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FF Rewind using 7.2 ROCKS
my 2 cents: 1st cent - the new ff/rew is better because it works with ogg-vorbis files too! (80% of my library is vorbis). :-) 2nd cent - the new ff/rew is not as good because one can not hear where one is scanning to. 3rd cent - for me, the old scan was also terribly unreliable. the new one works every time. 4th cent - it look as if the new ff/rew will not work with vorbis files with embedded artwork... oops - that was 4 cents! -- dcote dcote's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FF Rewind using 7.2 ROCKS
The problem with the old system is that it just didn't work. I had a squeezebox, a friend had two and we both had problems with the fast forward. I prefer to scan forward and hear the music at 2x, 4x, etc. But it just didn't work well. It would skip forward and then when you stopped it to play at regular speed it would lock up or jump to a completely different place in the song. The rewind was much worse than the forward. If it had worked like it should have, I would definitely prefer the old method. But since it doesn't work well and likely never would, I prefer the new method. -- lemmy999 lemmy999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FF Rewind using 7.2 ROCKS
lemmy999;363955 Wrote: The problem with the old system is that it just didn't work. It worked absolutely fine for me. Perhaps the distance between remote and SB makes a difference with the detection of keypresses and especially long hold key events. Maybe if the infra-red signal is interrupted during a hold, it would skip to next track for some instead of scanning forwards through song? I never had such problems, but tended to use the remote right next to the box, as I would be reading the screen. -- Philip Meyer Philip Meyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=95 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I was never more than 3-4 feet away when doing this. It tried different SlimServer builds and Squeezebox firmwares. I complained on here and some said they had the same problem, others like you said it worked fine. -- lemmy999 lemmy999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FF Rewind using 7.2 ROCKS
This is a very interesting thread. Let me summarize: PLEASE GIVE US BACK AUDIO WHILE FAST FORWARDING AND REWINDING AS A USER PREFERENCE! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. As a professional mastering engineer, one of my regular tasks is to listen/evaluate a new piece of music that comes in from a prospective client. Usually my assistant puts it on the slimserver because it's easy and convenient to play, it's in the folder called listen_evals and stays there for a time. I almost never have time to listen to the whole piece. Usually I want to play the intro, hear a little of the verse, and skip forward to a chorus or some other parts. Although the old software's fast forward was pretty dumb sounding and you had to be real careful not to accidentily skip to the next file insteada reasonably skilled listener could at least tell when the chorus began while skimming! So I need this and dearly miss the ability to hear something while skimming forward. It's a real time saver in a long piece of music to find the spot you're looking for. This should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. Thanks in advance. Can someone please pass this on to the developers? Make it a preference and then everyone can have their cake and eat it, too. I do recognize how much faster it is to fast forward or rewind IF YOU KNOW exactly how far you're going. But if you are listening to an unknown piece of music, having some audio clue as to where you are when skipping is essential. End of discussion. :-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10173 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FF Rewind using 7.2 ROCKS
+1 for original post, and +1 for the configurable advance suggestion above I can see there may have been some value to the original approach for a few use cases, but it never worked well enough for me to bother and the original functionality was not what unfamiliar users expected to see (in my experience it was most often the first rough edge they would find in an otherwise impressive initial impression). The 7.2 solution is quite serviceable but IMO the iPod still has much more usable FF/RW scan/seek support, so there is room for additional improvement. While the iPod UI is not perfect (or even good, in some cases), it does seem to have become something of a de facto standard by which others are judged for many potential users (as with Windows 95 UI sets expectations for many PC users). -- syburgh syburgh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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verbatone wrote: I agree, I used the FF/REW for the first time and was elated. Philip, the old system was never consistent. Every once in a while it would work, but generally I would hold FF, it would go to 2x, then hold FF again, it would go to 4x, then I'd push play, and it would restart the song, or even worse, it would start playing as if it never engaged the transport. I got so sick of trying to use it, I just stopped using. I probably haven't used it in over a year. It certainly wasn't as reliable as a DVD player with the same functionality. The new version has been used at least 10 time so far with only positive results. I never used FF/RW at all in the previous incarnation, just too confusing. I love the current way of doing it on the controller. I remember Phil was the only(?) but very vocal supporter of the old way in the original thread in which the new way was born. Thanks, SD, can't please everyone, although I wouldn't have minded if one could optionally switch to the old way. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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jclyle;340266 Wrote: I just upgraded to SC 7.2, and the fast-forward and rewind functionality is amazing!!! Gone is the 2x, 4x, 8x seeking that we had in earlier versions. Now we have a time clock that allows us to navigate through a track like we would on a normal CD player. This is a major upgrade, thanks a bunch! +1 ... K -- slimkid Where does the light go when you turn the switch off? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wUP07DVq9E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl7yA1mQwvo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRhRv4q_SI http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 ATGATT: Because walking away in disgust beats riding away in an ambulance. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FF Rewind using 7.2 ROCKS
I remember Phil was the only(?) but very vocal supporter of the old way in the original thread in which the new way was born. I wasn't the only person. There were quite a few threads, and bug reports where people agreed, partially agreed or accepted that support for both seeking and scanning would be a good idea. Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Phil Meyer wrote: I remember Phil was the only(?) but very vocal supporter of the old way in the original thread in which the new way was born. I wasn't the only person. There were quite a few threads, and bug reports where people agreed, partially agreed or accepted that support for both seeking and scanning would be a good You were probably the only one I remembered ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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You were probably the only one I remembered ;) That, is guess is true ;) Anyway, what's done is done, and life moves on. What we have now is useable and good (but could be better and support more features without detracting from the simplicity). Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I think the new system is good, but I actually liked kdf's Song Scanner better. The new method works fairly well, though if I try to FF or REW too far before letting go of the button, it seems to poop out and go back to the original point. What I'd really like to see is a key combination with user-adjustable increments. Like holding the ( + 1) keys would skip ahead 5 to 30 seconds (adjustable), ( + 2) skips ahead 30 to 90 seconds (adjustable), ( + 3) skips ahead 90 to 600 seconds (adjustable). That way everybody can be happy - the guitarist wanting to go back a few seconds and the podcast listener wanting to skip a multi-minute block of commercials. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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That way everybody can be happy - the guitarist wanting to go back a few seconds and the podcast listener wanting to skip a multi-minute block of commercials. No, actually my point is that I don't know an arbitrary time to jump forward to. I don't listen to podcasts twice; I listen to podcasts to discover new music, mainly ambient/electronic music - often long podcasts with long tracks, a bit of chat, adverts, etc. Being able to control the speed when skipping forward is useful. This was discussed - should it be a manual action to speed up the acceleration, or automatic - the longer you hold the FWD button down, the faster the speed for seeking forwards. I'm not sure how it ended up, nor how it works with Transporter/Boom knobs (I think it's meant to accelerate depending how fast the knob is turned or how long it is turned). When I was beta testing, I didn't notice any acceleration, which made long jumps painful (litterally). With the current functionality, none of those mechanisms help if I want to skip to the next interesting part of the track. The only way to do it is to jump forward a little bit, wait for playback to restart at the new position, listen to see if the sound is different (eg. when wanting to skip to the next part of a podcast), nope, so jump ahead a little bit more..., wait for playback to restart, nope too far, skip back a bit, wait for playback to restart... With the current functionality, I think the track is divided up; 1 display pixel will equal n seconds depending how long the track is (up to some maximum limit)? So a short song may have 1 pixel = 1 second, whereas a long podcast could have 1 pixel = 20 seconds. So it may not be possible to jump forward less than 20 seconds for some tracks, and it may take a long time to scroll through a long track. The best way is to have some audio feedback whilst moving the play position forwards/backwards. ... or some form of skip to next significant change in sound automation. ... or instead of a solid/clear progress bar to set playback position, show some representation of the track in terms of sound (eg. volume level over time, oscillator, peak meter). Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Philip Meyer;341154 Wrote: or instead of a solid/clear progress bar to set playback position, show some representation of the track in terms of sound (eg. volume level over time, oscillator, peak meter). Phil What a great idea! I guess it is pretty impractical from a technical point of view though, as it would require the whole file to be parsed to retrieve the necessary info first. -- SadGamerGeek SadGamerGeek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6145 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I agree, I used the FF/REW for the first time and was elated. Philip, the old system was never consistent. Every once in a while it would work, but generally I would hold FF, it would go to 2x, then hold FF again, it would go to 4x, then I'd push play, and it would restart the song, or even worse, it would start playing as if it never engaged the transport. I got so sick of trying to use it, I just stopped using. I probably haven't used it in over a year. It certainly wasn't as reliable as a DVD player with the same functionality. The new version has been used at least 10 time so far with only positive results. I also don't understand how that horrible stuttering audio could help you determine the position of the audio, especially in a long podcast. I couldn't intelligibly discern what was happening with music that I was very familiar with. The lack of audio cuing is standard with all computer based players, so perhaps most are just used to it now. I don't listen to podcasts that much, but it stinks you lost some functionality. Perhaps, to your point, if it would have been possible, it would have been nice to have the option of one or the other. -- verbatone verbatone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3556 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Though I was OK with old functionality + song scanner/looper + clickable progress bar in browser UI, I like it better now out of the box. I find it much more intuitive. Audio feedback wasn't great before, not easy for neophytes to use. As a musician, I still would like to see some looping functionality, for studying passages. -- bephillips More than 40,529 songs on 3,188 albums by 2,270 artists. Mostly flac, some mp3 and aac. SqueezeCenter Version: 7.1 - 22170 @ Mon Jul 28 13:32:51 PDT 2008 Mac OS X 10.4.11 (8S165) - EN - utf8 Perl Version: 5.8.6 darwin-thread-multi-2level MySQL Version: 5.0.22-standard Platform Architecture: ppc On a 1.2GHz G4 Mac iBook with 768MB RAM http://db.etree.org/bephillips bephillips's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Philip, the old system was never consistent. Every once in a while it would work, but generally I would hold FF, it would go to 2x, then hold FF again, it would go to 4x, then I'd push play, and it would restart the song Well, I never had any trouble like that. I did have an occasional problem when it would skip to the end of a song and start playing the next song. It didn't happen often though. If there were bugs with it, then they could have been raised and fixed. I found it very intuitive. I want to fast-forward, so I press and hold FWD, and it says x2 and plays twice as fast. It was obvious to me that press-and-hold FWD again would go faster, and play would resume playback at normal speed. The only unintuitive thing was that press-and-hold REW didn't decelerate, it went straight into reverse, but that was a simple thing to change. I probably haven't used it in over a year. It certainly wasn't as reliable as a DVD player with the same functionality. But there's no reason why it couldn't have been made reliabe. The mechanism was correct, just needed implementing more robustly? I also don't understand how that horrible stuttering audio could help you determine the position of the audio, especially in a long podcast. I can tell the difference between noise and no noise. That means I can find the end of a song and the start of the next song, whether I want to skip to the next whitespace or through a long whitespace section. The lack of audio cuing is standard with all computer based players, so perhaps most are just used to it now. That doesn't make it correct, or more useful to not have it. The new mechanism it just too slow to position through a long track, as there's no way to increase acceleration manually. I guess it's the difference between owning an automatic or manual gearbox car :-) I prefer manual, but an option to select either gearbox is often provided (at least in the UK). Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Gone is the 2x, 4x, 8x seeking that we had in earlier versions. Sadly, yes :( This is a major upgrade, thanks a bunch! I just don't get it: why some people see this as a major upgrade. Surely I'm not the only person that sees this as a major downgrade. I've given up playing long podcasts through it, and resorted to using my iPod instead. We had the choice of the old functionality (much more useful in my opinion), or something very much like the new functionality (provided by KDF's song scanner). Now we don't. Pro's of the new functionality: 1. Has a little more eye candy. It shows a slider bar which goes up or down as you move through the track. Con's of the new functionality: 1. No audio feedback, so unless you know the absolute position in time that you want to fast-forward to, it's a guessing game. 2. No control over acceleration to move through a track quickly or slowly. Now we have a time clock that allows us to navigate through a track like we would on a normal CD player. I don't understand this. It's nothing like a CD player; it's more like a PC software player. All CD/Video players that I have ever used have accelerated playback with audio sound, and none display a progress bar. They do show current time or elapsed time, and you can see that time accelerate up/down accordingly. I do like the new mechanism, just don't find it as useful. It's also not perfect - it can take ages to scroll through a long piece of music, because navigating through a long track using the slider is not accelerated, and potentially will not be accurate enough. eg. consider a podcast that lasts 2 hours. On my transporter, it takes many complete 360 rotations to get from start to finish (I can't remember now how many, but it was into double figures). Worst of all is the lack of audio feedback. I ultimately think that it should support both mechanisms - both seek and scan. On an iPod, press and hold and it will skip forwards with audio feedback, so you know when you've skipped over part of a song that you don't like, then release the button and it resumes normal playback from that position. Or press the middle button to select progress bar mode, where the wheel can then be used to position the playback cursor to an arbitrary point in time to resume from that position. The iPod functions are alright, but I think that both mechanisms could live together. For example, the mechanism as it is today in 7.2 could be enhanced to provide some form of audio feedback, and additional press-and-hold of FWD/REW (or add/press-and-hold add) could increase/decrease acceleration. I personally prefer the former for skipping over parts of a song. eg. when I've ripped the last track on an album and there's some hidden track with several minutes of silence between the end of the track and the start of the hidden track. I don't want to sit through the silence so I want to fast-forward. But I don't know how much silence there is to skip, so I can't position the playback at a particular point. I used to press-and-hold FWD to play x2, and then maybe accelerate playback further, until I hear music and press play. That would then play from just before the music started. The world's gone mad! Sky+ is widely regarded as one of the best PVR's on the market, and also regarded as easy to use. It uses a FWD/REW mechanism that shows visual feedback when scanning through in 2x, 5x, 15x and 30x speeds, quite similar to SqueezeBox FWD/REW. You can also enter a time position to jump to, so it too supports both mechanisms; but fast-fowarding through a song is the most predominant feature, and Sky+ would be rubbish without it. Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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It's interesting to see the different views on this. I personally love the new mechanism. However, I understand Phil's argument. I'm a guitar player and when I'm trying to figure out a passage of a song, the rewind button gets a lot of use. I gave up on using the SB for this; the iPod was perfect. I would remember when the passage I was working on started, so I would just scroll back using the slider to just previous. I never knew the iPod also had an more traditional method for seeking in addition to the progress bar. Perhaps that's worth emulating in the SB. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 10.2 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.2, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I would remember when the passage I was working on started, so I would just scroll back using the slider to just previous. It kind of works I guess for REW, as you may have some kind of clue as to the absolute position you want to go back to. Personally, I hardly ever use REW, only when I now overshoot where I want to be, so I have to then go back a bit. More frequently, I'll start to play a podcast, get half way through and wander off doing something else. I'll come back and realise I forgot to pause it, so I need to rewind. As I don't know the exact minute/second I was at when I left, and I don't know in terms of percentage or pixels how much progress I had made, it's just guesswork to try to find the right position. Conversely, there are times when I do know the exact position to set. eg. If I make a note of the current position before pressing stop/queing something else up, and then want to come back to it. However, I tend to now either use the Bookmark plugin or don't bother using SqueezeCenter for this type of playback anymore. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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The old system was horrible. It was a nightmare and seemed so random and clunky, i was amazed it was not addressed sooner. It's not perfect, and i take some of your points Phil, but the new system is -miles- better IMO. Its actually usable now. -- autopilot *Server:* SC7.2 (Windows Vista 64) *Players:* Squeezebox 3 (main room) / Squeezebox Receiver (bedroom) / Softsqueeze (office). *Amps:* Cambridge Audio 640a (main room) / Trends TA10.1 Class-T / Logitech 5.1. *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom) / Logitech 5.1's. *Remotes:* Harmony One (IR) / 1 Beta SB Controller / 1 Official SB Controller. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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