[e-gold-list] Re: FOUR million in circulation daily ?
>> Does anyone have any insight into what is going on? >> Is there some new scam churning e-gold around? > >http://www.geocities.com/TheGoldMachine/index.html > >might be the reason for the dramatic spike in spends. > fascinating stuff .. (and here's me thinking there were no guaranteed investments) .. 1% per hour. you can even "Put OsGold into the Gold Machine, and get paid in E-Gold!" they assert about $50k of spends, so perhaps it does not explain the egold stats. On-line game stats monitor: START OF STATS Current Gold Machine Statistics Total number of players : 1069 Last payment was made at: 19/06/2001 2:35:21 AM GMT Total deposits to date : $53,726.17 Deposits in last 24 hrs : $11,789.36 END OF STATS I see they are down to only NEW! Payments are now 2% every 2 hours. . pathetic -- one can't even rely on a simple 1% p.h. growth anymore. --- "Great ventures create great mottos." --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: FOUR million in circulation daily ?
> > > If so it has not generated the kind of account creation spikes > such things > > have in the past; > > Which means that the scammees didn't learn their lesson the first few > times around. Fans of _The Simpsons_ may be reminded of the episode where Lisa does a science fair experiment called "Is My Brother Dumber Than a Rat?" She tries to see if Bart will stop trying to pick up something (I think it was a doughnut) if he gets an electrical shock every time he touches it, but no matter how many times he gets shocked he immediately tries again: "Ow! It hurts when I do that. Ow! It hurts when I do that. Ow! It hurts when I do that. Ow! It hurts when I do that..." I think of that every time I see a new pyramid scheme and hear one of the suckers explaining that _this_time_ it's different. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: FOUR million in circulation daily ?
> Does anyone have any insight into what is going on? > Is there some new scam churning e-gold around? http://www.geocities.com/TheGoldMachine/index.html might be the reason for the dramatic spike in spends. > If so it has not generated the kind of account creation spikes such things > have in the past; Which means that the scammees didn't learn their lesson the first few times around. Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Fraudulent Russian order
Guys, Please be aware that we discovered another Russian fraudulent order today. e-gold #325992 (mahoney) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP: 195.162.32.5 CC:d to e-gold community RT@e-gold e-gold fraud list [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please be aware that this person has used a stolen US ID and credit card details. Contact me if you want mmore details. Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St Fax +1(312)777-4270 or +1(509)278-2268 UK Phone/Fax +44 (0)709-233-7612 USA Phone +1(817)230-2523 or cellphone +1(817)266-1678 If you would like a free e-gold, Standard Reserve, or OSGOLD account, please apply at my site! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: FOUR million in circulation daily ?
> http://www.e-gold.com/stats.html Note, also, that e-gold has set a new record last week for the number of funded accounts with more than 10 grams, AND the number of funded accounts with more than 1 ounce. Note, also, that the amount of gold in the system is at an all-time high. Both the amount of gold and the number of funded accounts, with more than 10 grams, is up about 20% in the past 3 months. SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: FOUR million in circulation daily ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > http://www.e-gold.com/stats.html The velocity is much higher than it has been for months. The number of spends used to about equal the number of account accesses; now it is suddenly double. Does anyone have any insight into what is going on? Is there some new scam churning e-gold around? If so it has not generated the kind of account creation spikes such things have in the past; account creation has been unusually steady. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] reminder
> Subject: > [Webfunds-users] reminder > Date: > Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:53:43 -0400 > From: > Ian Grigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Just a reminder to those struggling to get access to their > cash through WebFunds. > > We've coped with 2 changes recently, being the main server > move and the Anguilla domain shift. There are more to come, > it's onset of hurricane season here in Anguilla, so there > are one or two other moves being mooted. > > One is a move to a new block of IPs, another is more server > kerfuffles to come. > > These moves are unavoidable to us; our hands are tied. They > each involved a change in domain name. > > Luckily, the software -- WebFunds -- is getting better at > handling it. At the moment, if you have 1.8.4, you need to > try an update about 4 times, and the fourth time, it will > trip a retry counter and go and update the SSD, which is > the SOX Server Definition, a file that acts like the DNS > for a SOX server. > > You will need to do this for each server. There are currently > about three: main, test, exchange. You will also need to do > this for each wallet: SOX and Trader. So that makes 6 times, > each of 4 retries. 24, using conventional base 10 mathematics. > And if you have 4 regular copies of WebFunds, like myself, then > thats 96 updates > > Ouch. OK, so I started looking at sending a definitive update > SSD signal from the old server back to WebFunds. This will > cover *some* moves, but not others. Most, I hope. In this > case, the old server will say "refresh SSD now!" and it will > all happen automatically. Say no more, nudge, nudge, ;) ;) > > Problem is, the passing of that message from lower layers up > to higher layers in the protocol is complicated. So it won't > get done this week. Sorry, I've spent inadequate time on the > code of late. > > Further problem is that there are 1-2 changes to come. Again > unavoidable, when they happen. Only thing I can say is that > any other system would be dust under these conditions, and > one day you won't notice it at all . > > The next definate change is a dramatic move of IP numbers. > The other change is a splitting of one server into two. More > on that sometime tomorrow, we are "under instruction" on that > one, so I can't predict how the litiguous dice will fall. > > -- > iang > > > ___ > WebFunds-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.webfunds.org/mailman/listinfo/webfunds-users --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] major buyers?
From: http://chat.goldmoney.com/June01.pdf Page 9 > According to GATA, three > major buyers of gold have just recently emerged. They are, > George Soros, the Chinese government and a middle-eastern > government. Indeed according to rumors from a > Russian economic conference, it seems as though the > Chinese may be taking a hard stand against the U.S. by > swapping some of its enormous surplus of dollars for gold > in an effort to move toward a golden Yuan, which they > hope to use to replace the dollar as a reserve currency, at > least in Asia. Politically this is said to be very popular > with Asian governments that remain extremely angry > about how the U.S. abused them during the 1998 Asian > crisis. -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com A Directory of Web sites and Internet presences accepting non-fiat monies. http://www.bearerinstruments.com/assets/BIMDsPGPkey.txt 650C 51DA 734F 697F 5706 3D6A 7712 BCC9 D1AE 00BA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] FOUR million in circulation daily ?
http://www.e-gold.com/stats.html --- "Great ventures create great mottos." --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: One more thing about "money laundering"
>Yeah, yeah, I know, but this really sticks in my craw, and I'm not even sure >where exactly one's craw is. > >http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200107033.shtml > remarkable -- everyone read it --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: beginning of end for USA?
>Yep! > >When Dubya was running for office I had a strong feeling that he would take >a sharp turn to the left once elected. I even told one of his gushing >supporters, "Read my lips: Like father, like son." > An excellent point. >It sucks to be right all the time. > >Just wait until he raises the top marginal income tax rate to 60%. Don't >think it can't happen. I predicted it a year ago. More people need to get off their ARSE and http://votewithyourfeet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: beginning of end for USA?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > electricity price controls in California??? a second Carter-era on the way? Isn't that something. Price controls among other things caused the shortage of electricity. Their governor is proposing more price controls to solve the problem, not to mention government ownership (communism) of the distribution grid out there. The governor's solutions to the problem is what caused the problem. Californians appear to be going for it. -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com A Directory of Web sites and Internet presences accepting non-fiat monies. http://www.bearerinstruments.com/assets/BIMDsPGPkey.txt 650C 51DA 734F 697F 5706 3D6A 7712 BCC9 D1AE 00BA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: beginning of end for USA?
Yep! When Dubya was running for office I had a strong feeling that he would take a sharp turn to the left once elected. I even told one of his gushing supporters, "Read my lips: Like father, like son." It sucks to be right all the time. Just wait until he raises the top marginal income tax rate to 60%. Don't think it can't happen. I predicted it a year ago. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:27 PM > To: e-gold Discussion > Subject: [e-gold-list] beginning of end for USA? > > > electricity price controls in California??? a second Carter-era > on the way? > --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] beginning of end for USA?
electricity price controls in California??? a second Carter-era on the way? --- "Great ventures create great mottos." --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] eCTA
> currency. E-gold's poor customer service policies make no difference to > the efficacy of the eCTA. Oh, please! I'm inclined to agree with what someone wrote earlier about e-gold probably just wanting to have nothing to do with anything associated with OSGold. Nonetheless, I feel kind of bad for eCTA. As has been dramatically demonstrated in the past few days, it's _really_ hard to be the new kid in class! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
--- Viking Coder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the bottom line is e-gold won't put up a link to anything > > that has much to do with OSGold. > > Yeah. I know that is the reason. The more relevant question is - > Which > user's business do they value more? By choosing OSGold over e-gold > they > seem to be placing a higher value on people who use the currency so > that > they can participate in guaranteed HYIPs offered by the currency > issuer. Nonsense, what a stupid statement. You are inferring that e-gold users can't take advantage of the eCTA because e-gold management choose not to answer correspondence to the eCTA. Wake up! The eCTA is not promoting currencies, it is helping users to choose suppliers of currency. E-gold's poor customer service policies make no difference to the efficacy of the eCTA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
--- "Eric J. Gaither" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Viking, > > > By choosing OSGold over e-gold they > > seem to be placing a higher value on people who use the >currency > so that > > they can participate in guaranteed HYIPs offered by the >currency > issuer. > >Actually, what is confusing for a large number of people are your > comments. The eCTA did not CHOOSE any of the currencies nor EXCLUDE > any > currency. Invitations were sent out EQUALLY and OPENLY to everyone > to join. > E-gold did not reply. (Surprised?) OSGold, SR, and GM did. What the hell? Isn't this eCTA there to provide information and protection to USERS of these currencies? I thought that market makers can be accredited by the eCTA so an end user knows she is hopefully using a reputable service to buy currency. Where does e-gold, OSgold or any of the others fit into the picture? How can they be members? Why is their support even needed? If the service provided by the eCTA is valuable, people will use it even if the pig headed mangement of foundering currencies refuse to support it. __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] eCTA Discussions
I am very please to see the voluminous queries and discussions regarding the eCTA over the past few days. The points raised, the comments, they are all valuable as they provide feedback on how the eCTA is perceived. And I thank all those that provide them. The eCTA is still in it's infancy in an economy barely out of it's teens and already the quests for the hidden agenda are arising. Unfortunately there are no easter bunnies ... there is no hidden agenda... but by all means... continue to look! Continue to keep the queries and comments coming. The more people question and look and probe the more practice we get, stronger we get and the bigger we will grow. The eCTA is prepared to grow and we are not adverse to picking the best of experienced people's brains. Michael Moore Vice President (Pro Tem) for the Board of Directors of the eCurrency Trade Association Inc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: eCurrency Trade Association Inc.
> I hate to state the obvious but isn't the purpose of setting up the eCTA to > gain members of high ethical standards, and in doing so gain the confidence > of the clients that use the member exchange cambio etc because they are > members of the eCTA. (snip) > Like these to high light two: > > > 6. I promise to support my fellow members in adversity to the best of my > > > ability > What sort of adversity? Are they being investigated? Why? etc etc etc ? > >> 7. I promise to maintain my allegiance to the Association and > > > it's members. > Until when? What if decisions made are in the interest of the members but > not the clients they serve? These points are not open to interpretation. Of course the eCTA is there to protect it's members. It also expects its members to support it. This is part of being a member of a group. Elsewise it would not be a group but a motley collection of individuals or businesses. Please reread the Purposes: The purpose and objectives of the eCurrency Trade Association Inc. (hereinafter called the Association) are to unite the member group so that it may: Promote and maintain the highest professional standards of business practice among its members. Maintain standards for entry to the Assoc. Promote the interests of the member of the group. Develop and improve processes for the safe and secure business development of its members Encourage cordial relations between the members and affiliated and non-affiliated businesses and other professional bodies and associations around the world. Keep abreast of international developments in the e-currency economy affecting, principally the gold economy, but also encompassing all other e-commerce Michael Moore Vice President (Pro Tem) for the Board of Directors of the eCurrency Trade Association Inc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] PGP & AOL?
Hi, does anyone on the list have experience integrating PGP with AOL's e-mail program (or excuse for an e-mail program, as some would call it! ;)? If so, please reply off list. Thanks. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold embraces HYIP passively
> Maybe thousands of HYIP businesses? HYIPs aren't businesses. > It should attract real businesses, instead of scams > and porn sites! The legal adult industry is a very real, and very thriving, business. However, I don't know of any porn sites that accept e-gold. > How does that go along with the E-Dinar morals, anyway? > Are they endorsing porn and scam as well, Again, I must say (I'm beginning to sound like a broken record) that there is a dramatic difference between what independent individuals do with a currency and what the currency issuer promotes, endorses, allows, etc... How many people do not use the US dollar because 98% of the paper bills have trace amounts of cocaine due to them being used extensively in drug trafficking? Do christian churches endorse pre-teen prostitution if they accept money that several weeks, and countless transactions, back was used to pay for a 12 year old girl's 'services'? > > Of course, PayPal was able to grow much faster, so maybe E-Gold could too, > > but PayPal is still in the Red and E-Gold is still in the Black. > > How do you know that? The following article was written by the CEO of Standard Reserve, Loryn Jenkins, several months ago. http://www.goldeconomy.com/paypalnotgold.htm In it he states that the total capital investment of The Gold Economy is $3 million, of which $100,000 was spent, over 4 years, towards customer acquisition. This is opposed to PayPal's $200 million capital investment with $30 million spent, over 10 months, on customer acquisition. PayPal bought customers at a rate of $10 a piece (5 to new customer & 5 to referrer). e-gold obtained customers through trust in the system. PayPal is having to recoup the losses of purchasing customers. e-gold is reaping the rewards that occur when a customer base is built out of trust. Thus PayPal is in the red, and e-gold is in the black. e-gold is also in the black because, as a matter of priniciple, it has *no* liabilites. That is not priviledged 'family' knowledge; it is plainly stated on their site. > If it were not for people like you and Viking Coder, > e-gold, G&SR and whatever else they call themselves Huh? Just a moment ago you said "Are you confusing e-gold with G&SR, again?" > would not have many friends vocalizing as if they were > an authority and on the inside! So your logic is that if they didn't have supporters then they wouldn't have supporters? > How can you speak with s much authority, if you > are not part of their family? Because the questions being asked do not require a priviledged perspective to see authoritative answers to. Ask me what e-gold's business plan for the next year is. I don't know, and couldn't even guess. Ask me what e-gold's internal security procedures are. I don't know, and couldn't even guess. Ask me if e-gold supports HYIPs. I can provide a very definite, authoritative answer of 'No'. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Shonky order from Brazil
Guys, Please be aware of this shonky operator from Brazil. He stole a US citizen ID, as well as his credit card details, to try to scam gold from me. Account Type e-gold Account # 326273 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP: 200.195.224.3 e-gold community: beware this shonk! RT @ e-gold: for your records Yahoo Management: Please be aware that this "person" is using your email system to try and scam others! Please feel free to contact me for further details... Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St Fax +1(312)777-4270 or +1(509)278-2268 UK Phone/Fax +44 (0)709-233-7612 USA Phone +1(817)230-2523 or cellphone +1(817)266-1678 If you would like a free e-gold, Standard Reserve, or OSGOLD account, please apply at my site! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] One more thing about "money laundering"
Yeah, yeah, I know, but this really sticks in my craw, and I'm not even sure where exactly one's craw is. http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200107033.shtml --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Article, money laundering
> Kind of a strange quote since the act of laundering money is to > take 'dirty' > money and attempt to make it look like 'clean' money. Since dirty money is > defined as money raised through illegal activity, then by saying > that "money > laundering is a fundamental human right" is to say that "illegal > activity is > a fundamental human right". How can you not arrive at this deduction? One other thing...You might as well claim that the Fourth Amendment is immoral, because the only reason one would refuse to let the cops search his house without a warrant is that he is hiding some illegal activity. That's really the rationale behind so-called "money laundering" laws. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Money laundering
> Kind of a strange quote since the act of laundering money is to > take 'dirty' > money and attempt to make it look like 'clean' money. No. "Money laundering" means the unsupervised use of money. Any ordinary citizen, completely uninvolved in any wrongdoing, can be prosecuted for "money laundering" if he takes steps to insure his financial privacy. Any private transaction not reported to Big Brother is money laundering. Of course, the socialists claim such laws apply only to "large" transactions, over $10,000 in the U.S. But your bank reports _every_ transaction to prevent "structuring," the wacky thought-crime of disguising a big transaction as many small ones. Who decides whether you're trying to do that or whether it's just a bunch of small transactions? Big Brother, of course. The decision is based primarily on whether you own a nice yacht that can be siezed. In other words, Big Brother gets to micromanage your bank account. Any attempt to avoid this scrutiny is money laundering. It is highly likely that in the not-too-distant future the U.S. government will demand complete access to E-Gold's records the way it does to bank records (note well, they don't need a search warrant to get my bank records, the bank simply reports all transactions to them). Failure to give them such access will be called money laundering. Incidently, money itself is neither dirty nor clean. It may be either stolen or not, but it is the act of stealing it that should be illegal, not the act of unknowingly selling a car to the person who stole it (you're also a money launderer if you do that, and yes, they really do prosecute people for that). --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] SCI implementation [was: Associated Press article]
| Hey, Slashdot *IS* work. ;^) Some days more than others...anyway, it's a | source of programmers who'd be able to play with the shopping cart, as | I again try to get below... They could also implement things like Fairtunes | and any number of tips-for artists schemes. :) More tipjars, I say!! Not quite what you're looking for I think, but if there's any interest I could package up the C (win32) code I wrote to access the automation interface. Anyone interested, mail me personally... --Luc --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
At 02:23 PM +0100 06/18/2001, Julian Morrison wrote: ... >If you don't know, you probably can't. You'd need slashdot moderator >points, which you get for posting high-moderated comments. Some of your >geekier friends at work may have them, especially the slacker types who >read slashdot instead of doing work ;-) > Hey, Slashdot *IS* work. ;^) Some days more than others...anyway, it's a source of programmers who'd be able to play with the shopping cart, as I again try to get below... They could also implement things like Fairtunes and any number of tips-for artists schemes. :) More tipjars, I say!! >Even if you don't have moderator points, you can still post replies. Of course, if you hack the Slashcode and make moderator points sellable for e-gold, you get 10 grams from me (personally). :^) Must be done under the appropriate (free) licenses, and must work on at least one Slashcode site to qualify, but the first one WINS 10 GRAMS! JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
Craig Spencer wrote: > > Forgive my ignorance... but how do I do that? > > CCS > > Julian Morrison wrote: > > > > Luc Van den Borre wrote: > > > > > > There's an article on Slashdot right now: > > > > > > > If you support my stance on the right to launder money, please vote up > > this slashdot comment: > > http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/06/18/0229227&cid=109 If you don't know, you probably can't. You'd need slashdot moderator points, which you get for posting high-moderated comments. Some of your geekier friends at work may have them, especially the slacker types who read slashdot instead of doing work ;-) Even if you don't have moderator points, you can still post replies. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: wording error ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- vc is correct. andrew, you can spend exactly 0.10 ounces or greater of an e-metal - you must have picked some other unit to denominate your spend in that converted to slightly less than 0.10 ounces yet rounded up to that number for purposes of displaying to 6 decimal places. but i do agree - in that particular special case the preview message turns out to be confusing. jay w. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Were you spending in grams, USD, etc... anything not oz.? The > e-gold system is based in ounces, so it is possible to have a spend > that rounds up to 0.10 oz but is actually less than 0.10 > oz. To prove this, try spending exactly 0.10 oz. It will work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQEVAwUBOy3sScyM0YPqVE7FAQH0UAgAhTHTicK6AYpvJGBCwn9gKD38lUR6+b+O fXuMCHXwGHs9Q/jevlNdvcy4EfGVm8e43oxWvPYo3vdDjyDYiT19/Q3OY2+HZeHu 2Kdmpa7klePc+godsl4mxZAGgebwYIbLgLmWf7tJEPKTDtumrSIkaW3mVJaEAQv8 sPX39KFmomuNg/l093Zq3jVLpCSqaHk9Xl5+PQs+CRe9Rrqor3I6kTej5G6Jg92q q6IuYp3ejqZUmlFRJ8XsOB+/Bhi6hoMNSdH7/TiG3h4yP2b+SqX3+3YeFX0qXRGj zSMxRNgXNsSMq40EqzTX1A/fkvpWPaPUV2Ec+Ml5oVogx7CwqeXPOQ== =NHC1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Article, money laundering
SnowDog wrote: > > > I've said it before and I'll stand by it: money laundering is a > > *fundamental human right*. > > Kind of a strange quote since the act of laundering money is to take 'dirty' > money and attempt to make it look like 'clean' money. Since dirty money is > defined as money raised through illegal activity, then by saying that "money > laundering is a fundamental human right" is to say that "illegal activity is > a fundamental human right". How can you not arrive at this deduction? For exactly the same reason as there is a protection in the USA against unreasonable searches and seizures: there are freedoms which it is necessary to keep clear of government interference even though it hinders law enforcement. Economic freedom is absolutely tied to personal and political freedom; the right to *refuse to play along* is a requirement for a system where the individual people, not politicians, are sovereign. It is impossible to be free in a panopticon, and there is no other way to actually prevent money laundering. Given the choice between a police state and a place where criminals sometimes get away, I much prefer the company of the criminals. Besides there is the simple matter of rights: it is NOBODY'S DAMN BUSINESS to whom or for what I exchange my property. It is between me and them and maybe the currency issuer. Period. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: eCurrency Trade Association Inc.
George, I can tell you it does not need to be licensed but it does need a contractual agreement between the eCTA and its members so if the members or the eCTA is in breach of the contract they can be sued, and the offender pay recompence to the victim of the situation that caused the breach to occur. All it needs is some teeth to be able to act. Regards Jess - Original Message - From: "George Matyjewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 18 June, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: eCurrency Trade Association Inc. > At 05:25 PM 6/17/2001, Michael Moore wrote: > >In light if recent comments and so that people have a clear idea of what the > >eCTA represents here is the Mission Statement Purposes and Charter of the > >eCTA. > >This will be displayed on the eCTA Web Site when it is completed. > > > Just to clarify, Standard Reserve has always had a standards of > conduct requirement from it's agents, as published in our > Agent's Agreement. It gives us the right to reprimand an agent > for misconduct (which we have done) and to terminate an agent for > not adhering to our high standards. And, yes, we did terminate > an agent even though the potential revenue from that agent was > quite high. Our customers come first. > > Unfortunately, an association like eCTA doesn't carry much weight > unless it is licensed, like the Bar Association, or the AICPA or > other such organizations. Decades ago the Data Processing > Management Association (DPMA) tried to certify it's members (CDP) > to give credibility. It died, since DPMA wasn't recognized as a > licensed group. Rather it was a quasi-educational and social club. > > George > > __ > George Matyjewicz, President/General Manager > Standard Transactions (BVI) Limited > World Wide Currency for the World > http://www.standardreserve.com > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
People may have trouble finding that URL. It only goes to the AP page for selecting which news outlet. The exact URL is (currently) http://wire.ap.org/APnews/center_story.html?FRONTID=TECHNOLOGY&STORYID=APIS7 CMFRLG0 used on the Florida Today Site. Here is the article presented in 'The Australian IT' with a better headline! "Gold the net currency" http://australianit.news.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,2133992%255E442,00.h tml My e-gold account is #107242. Thanks! :) Ian Green > -Original Message- > From: Michael Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 18 June 2001 7:21 PM > To: e-gold Discussion > Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has > done his homework!!! > > > Paul, > > Here is your article complete with photo of Doug Jackson > > http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=FLROC&enter=Go > > I can send you the whole copy if you wish. > > This is in the FloridaToday.com Site. > > > My e-gold account number is 129542 (Goldtoday) > > Kind regards, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.gold-today.com > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Vahur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:56 PM > Subject: [e-gold-list] Associated Press article - the journalist has done > his homework!!! > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Great news everybody - > > > > there's an Associated Press article about gold backed currencies > > (e-gold, GoldMoney, Standard Reserve). It's a good article, which > > even gives some new information to old e-gold-bug like me. We were > > interviewed for this article as well and I could find some ideas > > coming through that I take credit for telling to Mr. Ballve. > > > > Although we are not mentioned in the article itself, for compensation > > link to IceGold is presented. I swear, that we don't have Associated > > Press journalist in our back pocket :-) > > > > And now the Easter egg hunt begins! Look for this article in the > > media and let this list and me personally know which TV, radio, > > newspapers and web sites have used this story. First five unique > > reports that reach me will all get 1 gram of e-gold, others will all > > get 0.2 grams of e-gold. If one channel has been reported, it doesn't > > count any more. > > > > So send them reports to e-gold list and cc to me - > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget to mention your e-gold account > > number. > > > > > > What a great start to a week! > > > > > > All the best, > > > > Paul Vahur > > General Manager > > IceGold - http://www.icegold.com > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBOy2mMUkfcBeFLocdEQIJDQCfRHQh1sURyNSph+xkN4H2YGMCIdgAnjNr > > I9ttlkiD1C6IySix4VIgLDds > > =jPyV > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
Forgive my ignorance... but how do I do that? CCS Julian Morrison wrote: > > Luc Van den Borre wrote: > > > > There's an article on Slashdot right now: > > > > If you support my stance on the right to launder money, please vote up > this slashdot comment: > http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/06/18/0229227&cid=109 > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: eCurrency Trade Association Inc.
I hate to state the obvious but isn't the purpose of setting up the eCTA to gain members of high ethical standards, and in doing so gain the confidence of the clients that use the member exchange cambio etc because they are members of the eCTA. Then you read the stuff like that below and it sounds like a Professional Boys Club just like the A.M.A. the Bar Association where they are all protect each others back. Like these to high light two: > > 6. I promise to support my fellow members in adversity to the best of my > > ability What sort of adversity? Are they being investigated? Why? etc etc etc ? >> 7. I promise to maintain my allegiance to the Association and > > it's members. Until when? What if decisions made are in the interest of the members but not the clients they serve? As I said earlier the whole reason for an association like the eCTA is to gain customer/client confidence. Gear your documentation to serve the customer and make membership in this association something to be valued by the Market Makers, Exchanges, Cambio's etc etc etc. Then you would be on the right track. Until then what you have is a Professional Boys Club that has no value of association to the customer. Regards Jess - Original Message - From: "Samuel Mc Kee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 18 June, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: eCurrency Trade Association Inc. > > > > > 1. I promise to operate in an honest and ethical manner. > > Such as refusing to promote "guaranteed" high-yield investment programs? > > > > > 6. I promise to support my fellow members in adversity to the best of my > > ability > > That's mighty nebulous! > > > 7. I promise to maintain my allegiance to the Association and > > it's members. > > What is it, a cult? > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Article, money laundering
> I've said it before and I'll stand by it: money laundering is a > *fundamental human right*. Kind of a strange quote since the act of laundering money is to take 'dirty' money and attempt to make it look like 'clean' money. Since dirty money is defined as money raised through illegal activity, then by saying that "money laundering is a fundamental human right" is to say that "illegal activity is a fundamental human right". How can you not arrive at this deduction? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: AP article - Easter egg hunt continues!
http://www.globe.com/news/daily/17/web_gold.htm > Seems like a lot of US newspaper sites > use the same content provided by AP. Still there should be plenty of > other places around the web where this article has been mentioned. Boston Globe also published it online, with links to icegold, e-gold, and goldmoney: http://www.globe.com/news/daily/17/web_gold.htm Chicago Sun-Times too carried the article: http://www.suntimes.com/output/business/gold17.html Chandra 393939 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article
Here's a front-page headline I'd like to see in the Washington Post, NY Times or other liberal propaganda sheet: "Allowing Private Citizens to Carry Dollar Bills Leads to Money-Laundering" --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
Luc Van den Borre wrote: > > There's an article on Slashdot right now: > If you support my stance on the right to launder money, please vote up this slashdot comment: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/06/18/0229227&cid=109 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
There's an article on Slashdot right now: Using Gold As Online Currency Posted by Hemos on Monday June 18, @07:22 from the flooz-beemz- dept. JerkyBoy writes "Salon.com has an interesting story about using gold for online transactions. One company that provides the service (goldmoney.com) describes itself as "an online payment system that combines the world's oldest money, gold, with Internet technology to provide a safe, easy and inexpensive way for anyone to transact business 24 hours a day. Payments are made electronically using GoldGrams, which are grams of gold that circulate world-wide through the Internet." I wonder if I can configure the MIME types on my Apache server to send golden email attachments?" Hehe - this is basically the same thing as people have been trying to do with creating new online currency. http://slashdot.org http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/18/0229227&mode=nested --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] link sequence
Sequence of links to get to the article: http://wire.ap.org/APnews/?SITE=KSPAR&FRONTID=HOME then "tech" then "Cyber Currencies Spawn Money-Laundering Fears" -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com A Directory of Web sites and Internet presences accepting non-fiat monies. http://www.bearerinstruments.com/assets/BIMDsPGPkey.txt 650C 51DA 734F 697F 5706 3D6A 7712 BCC9 D1AE 00BA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Article, money laundering
That AP article has a lot of waffling from law enforcement types about the "potential for money laundering" and statements from e-gold personnel indicating a willingness to roll over and play dead. Shame on you! I've said it before and I'll stand by it: money laundering is a *fundamental human right*. The whole fuss is just a BS cover story for the real intent, which is to have zero financial privacy, meaning zero ability to shelter from thieving taxes and idiot prohibitionist laws. Zero right to spend your own money without the politician's permission. The money laundering laws aren't there to prevent large scale mob laundering, which is what they're sold as, because the mob can bypass them using thousands of small transactions. They're there to stop individuals excercising their freedom. E-gold, if you're reading this, please STOP collaborating with this privacy invasion. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
> Here is your article complete with photo of Doug Jackson > > http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=FLROC&enter=Go > The working link is, the other was the frameset this was sitting in. http://wire.ap.org/APnews/center_story.html?FRONTID=TECHNOLOGY&STORYID=APIS7CMFRLG0 Good article. I'm glad to see a journalist who doesn't just off-handedly lump e-gold with beenz & flooz, however Marcelo's editor butchered it a little; especially concerning the title "Cyber Currencies Spawn Money-Laundering Fears". Yeah, I know, sensationalism sells. Like I said, all in all it was actually a good article. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
> Here is your article complete with photo of Doug Jackson > > http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=FLROC&enter=Go > The working link is, the other was the frameset this was sitting in. http://wire.ap.org/APnews/center_story.html?FRONTID=TECHNOLOGY&STORYID=APIS7CMFRLG0 Good article. I'm glad to see a journalist who doesn't just off-handedly lump e-gold with beenz & flooz, however Marcelo's editor butchered it a little; especially concerning the title "Cyber Currencies Spawn Money-Laundering Fears". Yeah, I know, sensationalism sells. Like I said, all in all it was actually a good article. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] AP article - Easter egg hunt continues!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Moore wrote: > Here is your article complete with photo of Doug Jackson > > http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=FLROC&enter=Go > > I can send you the whole copy if you wish. > > This is in the FloridaToday.com Site. Thank you Michael! Addition to the rules of the contest - if the beginning of the link is wire.ap.org then it won't count any more as Michael Moore has already mentioned that link. Seems like a lot of US newspaper sites use the same content provided by AP. Still there should be plenty of other places around the web where this article has been mentioned. I myself has seen at least 3 other sites and not all of them is in English. Other addition - if the article is in the printed form, please scan it and send it to me personally. When we run out of 1 gram prices, we will still give 0.5 gram prices for printed stories! Regards, Paul Vahur IceGold - http://www.icegold.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOy2xCUkfcBeFLocdEQLvigCeMIKdgPi5GBun/psItYj1H+MQGXoAoOvh lF9Q+EYyJJ9o5dmyEWLn/Pt4 =0tl5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
Michael Moore wrote: > > Paul, > > Here is your article complete with photo of Doug Jackson > > http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=FLROC&enter=Go > > I can send you the whole copy if you wish. > > This is in the FloridaToday.com Site. > > My e-gold account number is 129542 (Goldtoday) > > Kind regards, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.gold-today.com Here to be exact: http://www.floridatoday.com/news/business/stories/2001/jun/bus061801b.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: wording error ?
> > > This payment amount is less than the minimum allowed. > > This payment equates to 0.10 oz., > The minimum payment allowed by e-gold is 0.10 oz. > > > > presumably that should be the minimum must be greater than 0.10 oz. > Were you spending in grams, USD, etc... anything not oz.? The e-gold system is based in ounces, so it is possible to have a spend that rounds up to 0.10 oz but is actually less than 0.10 oz. To prove this, try spending exactly 0.10 oz. It will work. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
Paul, Here is your article complete with photo of Doug Jackson http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=FLROC&enter=Go I can send you the whole copy if you wish. This is in the FloridaToday.com Site. My e-gold account number is 129542 (Goldtoday) Kind regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com - Original Message - From: "Paul Vahur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!! > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great news everybody - > > there's an Associated Press article about gold backed currencies > (e-gold, GoldMoney, Standard Reserve). It's a good article, which > even gives some new information to old e-gold-bug like me. We were > interviewed for this article as well and I could find some ideas > coming through that I take credit for telling to Mr. Ballve. > > Although we are not mentioned in the article itself, for compensation > link to IceGold is presented. I swear, that we don't have Associated > Press journalist in our back pocket :-) > > And now the Easter egg hunt begins! Look for this article in the > media and let this list and me personally know which TV, radio, > newspapers and web sites have used this story. First five unique > reports that reach me will all get 1 gram of e-gold, others will all > get 0.2 grams of e-gold. If one channel has been reported, it doesn't > count any more. > > So send them reports to e-gold list and cc to me - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget to mention your e-gold account > number. > > > What a great start to a week! > > > All the best, > > Paul Vahur > General Manager > IceGold - http://www.icegold.com > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBOy2mMUkfcBeFLocdEQIJDQCfRHQh1sURyNSph+xkN4H2YGMCIdgAnjNr > I9ttlkiD1C6IySix4VIgLDds > =jPyV > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Great news everybody - there's an Associated Press article about gold backed currencies (e-gold, GoldMoney, Standard Reserve). It's a good article, which even gives some new information to old e-gold-bug like me. We were interviewed for this article as well and I could find some ideas coming through that I take credit for telling to Mr. Ballve. Although we are not mentioned in the article itself, for compensation link to IceGold is presented. I swear, that we don't have Associated Press journalist in our back pocket :-) And now the Easter egg hunt begins! Look for this article in the media and let this list and me personally know which TV, radio, newspapers and web sites have used this story. First five unique reports that reach me will all get 1 gram of e-gold, others will all get 0.2 grams of e-gold. If one channel has been reported, it doesn't count any more. So send them reports to e-gold list and cc to me - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget to mention your e-gold account number. What a great start to a week! All the best, Paul Vahur General Manager IceGold - http://www.icegold.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOy2mMUkfcBeFLocdEQIJDQCfRHQh1sURyNSph+xkN4H2YGMCIdgAnjNr I9ttlkiD1C6IySix4VIgLDds =jPyV -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
