[e-gold-list] Re: Standard Transactions
George, would you enlighten us on the Standard Transaction situation, please. As far as we know, you are ( were?) part of that circle of enterprises as well? Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] [Douglas] Jackson vigorously denies HYIPs
I seem to remember, after the article in Wired in October 2001 : http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.01/egold.html?pg=1topic=topic_set= In Gold we Trust There was a debate about the percentage of real e-gold business versus Ponzi and HYIP games. It seemed that no one really was able to find an answer. I just came across something interesting. As we all recall: --begin quote--- For his part, Jackson vigorously denies HYIPs account for anything approaching a substantial portion of e-gold traffic. These are piddly-ass little things, he says. When you actually run one of these things down, they're pathetic. Still, he concedes, they're a PR liability, and he and his staff have been working hard to squeeze them out of the system. ---end quote Please see the following URL to see how many gold related games seem to be either under investigation or in trouble with certain authorities: http://www.victimsagainstscams2.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=17topic=1 Can any of the exchange providers comment on this? Are you familiar with any of these? --begin quote The below list are companies that either have litigations against them, will have litigations against them soon, have had complaints against them, or are suspect companies to be aware of. Most are pyramid and ponzi schemes.: Updated February 24th., 2002 CD = Cease and Desist (Usually listed in litigation area, and/or in reply area below) Litigation = Case against them. (Usually listed in litigation area, and in reply area below) $2.00 Rally.virtualempire $20.00 Miracle 1.50 Matrix - McConnell Enterprises 100 Club Gifter 150 Dollar Bills 168.144.140.210 - gateway (the private investment group) 1einvest 2 Day Slim Down 2002StockReport 2dollarralley 2xmax 30 Days Of Gold 4oneupclub (CD) 5 to 8 50% for 4 weeks 50-50-50.com 5Percent60Days 8 days of pure gold 916.150m Aciimoney Active Gold Add to Your Gold alevelforeveryone Allgold4us Amazing Gold Amegamatrix Americana Oil and Gas Corporation (CD Issued) AMORTIZED CREDIT AND GOLD INVESTMENTS Angel Kisss Art Speculation - NEW ashlaws Atlas Financial Corp (CD issued) ATLAS FINANCIAL CORPORATION Avalon2015 (CD Issued) Back On Track (BEWARE!!! Ponzi) Back on Track (BOT - going down soon?) BatchGame2000 bestdealz2002 bewealthy Big Gold Machine BigMoneyMatrix Black Label BLIG (Big Line Investing Group) Blue Shark (Currently Under Investigation by USPIS - Postal Inspector) Blue Star Entertainment (CD Order) Bottom Line Oil Gas Company (CD issued) Bradshaw Program Burchett Oilco Inc (CD Issued) Candy Capital Building Club Capital Growth Investment Group Caruba International (litigation) Cash Blast Off Cash Flow Club Cash Flow Generator Cash Plan 11 CashBlast CGIGroup Champ Oil Co (CD issued) Champion Partners and Associates, Inc. (CD Issued) Che-ching Christmas Gold 2001 ChristmasPresents4U CKO clik.to/wealthfund (CD) Club Pecunia coastalclub colonial-investment-trust Compound Magic Compounding Gold. CONCEPT-ONE coriolisgold Costa Gold COSTAGOLD Crazy 888 Creative Products 2000 (CD Issued) Crystal Capstone crystalbreezegold CrystalBreezeInvestments cybergold cycle.at/tuc DailyGolds DaytraderGoldPlus DDS INDUSTRIES, LTD DebtZero DIGITAL STOCKS (newest one - remember the last crash? If you're a victim of this one, we would like to hear from you.) Direct Gold.net DOLLAR DAYS DOLLAR SIMULATION Double Dollar - NEW Double your Gold Doubledollarmatrix Doublin Doubler - NEW DPA Dream Maker Network Dreams of Quik Gold - NEW dreamteam E Gold Doctor Earn a Check Earnacheck ecoquestintl E-Currency Investment Group EDA Marketing (domesticdollars.com) EEBIZ VENTURES (Litigation) EGOLD BULLION E-gold pumping EgoldHaven E-GoldOpportunities Egoldpumping Now! El Dorado 2002 El Niño 2002 Emeral Gold USD Emerald Gold E-moneyPartner? (Litigation) Encore Gold Enduring Gold enduringgold2u Enterra Marketing Service (litigation) EscapeAlcatraz EUROGOLD PROGRAM 2 Evening Gold x2 Ever-Lasting Gold Prelude (EG Prelude) everlasting-gold Excalibur Assett Management EZ Way Gold EzAuction Plus ez-gold.com ezzebiz Fantasy Stock Game (If you've lost money in this one, please contact us. Currently under investigation, CD.) fantasygoldus Fast Gold Game 2002 Financial Marketing Service (litigation) fivetonine Forex Inc formortg Fortune Maker Foundations of Wealth Free Cars 4 u Free Gold Is Fabulous FSI FXTGroup gamebookers Gateway to Gold GDS (Gold dust Storm) GDS2001 Genesis GenuineWages gerolav Giftclubusa (Gifting club - pyramid) Gifting Magic (Gifting club - pyramid) Glimmering Gold GlittersGang Global 2 You, Inc. (litigation) Global Investment Group (GIG) Globe Street Globe Street Virtual Stock Market (CD coming?) Go 4 Gold Go4GoldIn2002 Going Platinum (Currently under investigation by the S.E.C. and other
[e-gold-list] Where is Jim Ray?
I am worried about Jim Ray, I don't think in the entire history of this list has he ever been this quiet. JIM, ARE YOU OK? Dagny P.S. All is forgiven! Come back to us, if you don't talk to us, we might think that e-gold has run away. ;-) P.P.S. Do they wear thongs or g-strings at the beach in Rio? :-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] donate to Free State NOW!
Do they have a GoldMoney Holding? I don't want to be a bastard, JP, but I would rather donate gg. :-) Dagny --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:55 AM -0500 2/28/02, Jason P Sorens wrote: Thought you might want to know that the Free State Project has opened an e-gold account as you suggested. Our account # is 479789. Best, Jason Anyone who doesn't donate a few dollars ia a bastard! All DGC business owners should donate at least 5 or 10 bucks! I'll send a donation now! JPM! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: clarification
I love Big Brother ;-) Sorry, your message was not sent out to 'e-gold-list'. Your message quotes too many continuous lines of a previous message. --- Should we start a bet on when e-gold will threaten legal action against egold ? If I remember correctly, e-gold made two other entities change their names. The exchange provider in South Africa, wanting to use e-gold exchange in their name and Gaithman's had a similar experience, their name used to be: GAITHMAN'S E-GOLD EXCHANGE, INC. http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg02440.html So be prepared and lets set some odds ;-) Dagny --- Rick Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---snip Just wanted to clarify a few things before they are taken wrong. My name is Rick Schwartz and I own egold.com #1.I have NEVER tried to sell my domain egold.com to e-gold.com. NEVER. I don't sell my domains, I develop them. #2Until recently the egold.com domains was used as a jewelry portal and then a more general portal. When Craig contacted me a couple of weeks ago and after he clarified some issues that concerned me, I decided to give it a try. This was after being contacted several times over the years by folks at e-gold or their agents. ---snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] where is your gold?
Jim, Your points are well made, it has been one of my points of contention in the past, that we know nothing of the location or agreements of the four bars that are supposedly stored in Switzerland. http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html I have asked on this list multiple times before, no one from e-gold ever bothered to explain this anomaly to their customers. Why publish the other two agreements and not the one you supposedly have with someone somewhere in Zurich? It has always caused me to question the credibility of examiner and thus e-gold. Dagny --- Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear James, ---big snip- So, with bullion banks in New York and London and perhaps elsewhere technically insolvent, I wonder how we should all react to the presence of e-gold, Ltd., bars of gold in storage in these places? A flight to value might be in order. Just a thought. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] where is your gold?
Jim, --- Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I do think that Mr. Jim Ray or Mr. Doug Jackson or someone else at e-gold or Omnipay ought to take a minute -snip-- That would show appropriate respect to their customers, which I have not seen, ever in dealing with e-gold, GSR or OmniPay. :-( -snip We have a page at e-gold that says that there is a bank in Ontario which has 116 bars of gold and a bunch of other metal. This was the original storage facility , called Bank of Nova Scotia . e-gold had this information published on their website back in the year 2000: Agreements in place with with e-gold Ltd. Administration Parties e-gold Ltd. has agreements with these parties regarding the operation of the e-gold system. Repository: Bank of Nova Scotia, Toronto Escrow Agent: Central Group, Ontario (TCGON) Now, without notifying their customers, they changed repositories and escrow agents, I don't find it particularly encouraging in terms of trustworthiness. Even after bringing this up on this list, no one from the e-gold entities ever felt obligated to address these concerns. Is the storage in Ontario covered by the JP Morgan Chase contract? (Is it in London, Ontario?) It is my understanding that the audit of the inventory was done before the Gold was stored in the new locations of Dubai, England and Switzerland. It leaves open questions about the possible whereabouts of the gold bars. In my opinion, it would have been appropriate to have another audit, to validate the claims e-gold makes in their examiner. This move of the repositories and change of escrow agents was a significant enough change to invalidate any audit that was done before the move. Perhaps the storage in Zurich is also covered by the JP Morgan Chase contract? I can not find any mention of that in the published agreement. What of the storage listed on the examiner as London? Is any gold actually stored in London? And is that London, Ontario, Canada, or London, England, UK? These are pretty simple questions. Answering them would take almost no time at all. Those answers are published on the e-gold website: http://www.e-gold.com/contracts/egold-jpmorganchase.htm http://www.e-gold.com/contracts/egold-transguard.htm These agreements even still refer to Central Escrow Agency as their escrow agents, but the website says that e-gold has a new escrow agent: http://www.e-gold.com/contracts/egold-bbsc.3.htm This really leaves e-gold wide open to question their credibility. However, none of these answers would do a thing for me in terms of my basic concern that JP Morgan Chase is a disreputable entity in my view. The history of John Pierpont Morgan, his descendants, and of the banking concern at Chase bank, conveys to me a huge amount of information about abuse of power, political corruption, and a dedication to the control of other people's money. Working with JP Morgan Chase seems like a really bad business decision, to me. big snip As for auditing, it seems that, especially now after Enron/Global Crossing, there is the need for new concepts of auditing. There should be two independent auditing systems. One system to audit the electronic system that makes the e-gold or whatever electronic currency you look at, and the second, a type of live camera auditing of the actual storage or repository. Both should work in conjunction with each other and should be able to, on demand, produce and publish the state of the database that underlies the electronic system, and give you pictures of the inside of the storage room to prove that the gold is actually there. Dagny http://two-cents-worth.com/?501108EGM __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] New exchange provider?
Does anybody know who http://www.goldmountainexchange.com/ is? Are they a member of the eCTA? Has anybody had any experience with them? Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: credit cards acceptance
George, I just read through your legal disclaimer on the end of your posts, too many lines to quote them all in this mail, but maybe you would be better off, not posting on any list, since everything seems to be confidential and not intended for public consumption? Your legal disclaimer is making a mockery of you and the purpose of public lists. :-( --- George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: __ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you received this email and the information does not apply to you, please notify the sender immediately and immediately delete the email and any attachments from your mail system. --snip--- and on and on and on As you requested, I am notifying you, that this email was wrongfully distributed to a public mailing list. BTW, you can be assured, that I will delete ALL your emails, unread! ;-) In the name of confidentiality! Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] PayPal IPO
Lets see how they do: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=75u=/nf/20020207/tc_nf/16203 Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Where does one keep ones wealth in an end-game scenario?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has been an interesting thread, do any of the DGCs store gold in Switzerland? don E-gold is claiming to store in Switzerland. This has been an unsolved mystery to me in the past. According to Examiner on the e-gold website, they have four bars stored in Zurich, Switzerland, except that I have been unable to find the name of the custodian or bank or vaults, the agreement e-gold has with them or any other reference to that storage arrangement on e-gold's website. http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html It appears, that there is no agreement, because otherwise, it would be handled, just like the agreements with the other Repositories in: JP Morgan Chase, London http://www.e-gold.com/contracts/egold-jpmorganchase.htm Transguard, Dubai http://www.e-gold.com/contracts/egold-transguard.htm My question has always been: How do I know whether the bars are really there or not? The number has not changed in many month. Has anybody else found references to the Zurich bars? No representative of e-gold has ever bothered to explain that mystery, even after several attempts to find out, here on this list. I think it is poor form and very unprofessional to ignore a vital issue like this one. How can the e-gold customers be sure that the gold is protected by the same means in terms of dual signatories and escrow arrangements? It also concerns me that there is no mention of any of the Repositories in the escrow agreement. http://www.e-gold.com/contracts/egold-bbsc.3.htm Makes you wonder if some of the unethical behavior of GSR shareholders is rubbing off onto the e-gold family... Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] The cost of privacy: A bagel and some coffee?
What is next? Support of terrorists, pedophiles, money launderers and drug dealers? Did e-gold move back on shore? Why would they welcome the Feds into their offices , if they were a true offshore company? ---begin quote- That's not to say Jackson shouldn't be worried about tainted money coursing through the e-gold system - or that he isn't. But what troubles him most are the Ponzi schemes: Hundreds of online pyramid scams have made e-gold (because of its convenience and because it offers bilked users no way to cancel charges) their payment system of choice. It gives some sense of how much these operations have contributed to e-gold's bottom line to know that, to this day, the single largest holding in the e-gold system - $1.1 million in gold, 8 percent of total reserves - sits unclaimed in an account belonging to an alleged Ponzi that shut down a year ago. As for more recent activity, Eric Gaither of Gaithman's, one of the leading independent gold-currency exchanges, guesses that at least 50 to 60 percent of e-gold transactions are headed into or out of what he and others sometimes euphemistically call HYIPs (high- yield investment programs) or simply games. Other reputable exchange providers put the figure between 30 and 90 percent. Frankly, says Steve Foerster, former CTO of GSR and currently COO of Dominca-based gold currency 3PGold, without online games right now there would be no gold economy. For his part, Jackson vigorously denies HYIPs account for anything approaching a substantial portion of e-gold traffic. These are piddly-ass little things, he says, when you actually run one of these things down, they are pathetic. Still, he concedes, they're a PR liability and he and his staff have been working hard to squeeze them out of the system. They've instituted know your customer rules to identify suspected swindlers, and they've cooperated amicably with law enforcement. When SEC staffers came to GSR's offices last May to review the accounts of one of the biggest e-gold schemes ever - the self-styled Christian- based humanitarian organization, E-Biz Ventures, shut down after allegedly inflicting losses of $8.5 million on investors - they were welcomed coffee, bagels and a conference room of their own. J. Chris Condren, the attorney charged with recovering E-Biz investors' money, has only good things to say about e-gold. They've answered every question, they've responded to every subpoena, every request for information. Still Jackson sometimes seems almost baffled that anyone could care who uses e-gold and why. It's all the same for him, for instance, that most users haven't a clue about the profound macroeconomic consequences he sees in e-gold. They could be doing this for the dumbest reasons, we don't care, he says. All we need is growing circulation -end quote Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-gold.com/stats.html lets you observe the e-gold system's activity now!
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Re: now THERE's a Scoop!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1:02 AM -0600 12/7/01, SnowDog wrote: GSR Investor Idicted! http://planetgold.com They've skewed a few things in that indictment. Excellent, what else did they skew? Tell planetgold!! It goes back even further, I found this for your entertainment, just do a google search with all the facts from the indictment. http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr16418.htm 2.4 mil for GSR sounds right to me! What does it say in the PG capsule, 450,000 shares right? Whois this weird John Wayne Zidar guy anyway? look here as well: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr16548.htm Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-gold.com/stats.html lets you observe the e-gold system's activity now!
[e-gold-list] Re: Two for the price of one (or should it be four for the price of two) :-)
Tara, what about the girls? There might be some out there who enjoy your pictures as much as the boys do. Dagny ;-) --- Tara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Boys Just to let you Guys know that for the next few days I am running a two archives for the price of one deal at http://www.tarasvirtualstudio.com = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-metal is a wonderful holiday gift? Avoid the hassle this year!
[e-gold-list] Re: vice or versa?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First Bank of Nova Scotia decided to stop doing business with e-gold for whatever reasons and then the Spencer's, as Escrow agent felt uncomfortable with what they may have heard about and so they gave up the job as escrow agents. How do you know this Dagny? The sentence previous to your quote said: hypothetical. E-gold would know the answer for sure, though. :-) Did SPICERS stop doing business with E-GOLD, or did E-GOLD stop doing business with SPICERS? Who fired who? Or was it mutual! Spicey!!! :) JPM __ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-metal is a wonderful holiday gift? Avoid the hassle this year!
[e-gold-list] e-gold customer confidence down?
Sold another six bars? Wow, I think that is a first to have six bars at once disappear from examiner? Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-metal is a wonderful holiday gift? Avoid the hassle this year!
[e-gold-list] Re: escrow agent
Mr. Cormier, thank you for pointing this out to the list, I have been wondering myself why there is no public announcement as to what is happening to our gold . This started very quietly some months ago, I am concerned about the policy of quietly changing things regarding some important aspects of trust, like the escrow arrangement. It also appears that the new escrow agent is located in the US, as a matter of fact in Baltimore, Maryland, where one of the founders of e-gold, who incidentally is an attorney as well, is practicing. It could be interpreted as the following and I am only speaking in hypothetical terms: First Bank of Nova Scotia decided to stop doing business with e-gold for whatever reasons and then the Spencer's, as Escrow agent felt uncomfortable with what they may have heard about and so they gave up the job as escrow agents. So where do you get an new Escrow agent fast? You could get one of your old lawyer buddies from law school to do the job, same city, does it really matter whether they have any kind of backround in the Gold Industry? E-gold does not seem to think so... While we are at it: I have another concern: We can see the audit that was done BEFORE the bars were moved to the other storage locations, but how do we know that they are there now? Should e-gold have done an audit after the move, to make sure that everything is in order and that the property of the e-gold accountholders is indeed there? How can we trust the statements in examiner, if e-gold can not even inform its customers about a simple change in escrow arrangements? Dagny --- C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---snip, thanks to Jim But now I see that Central Escrow Agency which use to be e-gold escrow agent is no longer there. CEA was managed by the Spencers who are very well known in Canada and the US as they are managing, among others the famous Central Fund Of Canada, a close end gold fund. In other words, these guys wre experts. Now I see that the new Escrow Agent is a lawyer firm in the US: http://bbsclaw.lawoffice.com/home/ Can someone from e-gold comment on why CEA andScotia are no longer e-gold business partners. Why moving away from such major international credibility ? __ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-metal is a wonderful holiday gift? Avoid the hassle this year!
[e-gold-list] Re: Questions?.....
Viking, are you trying to suppress criticism, now that e-gold has lost its monopoly position and still treat their customers with that same arrogance? You behave like a baby, someone hurt your e-gold feelings? Get over it. It sounds to me like e-gold have outgrown their idealism and good intentions and are only hanging on with help of the idealism of their original customers, who are not willing to admit to themselves that something has gone wrong in the path of original intentions and all those scams, people keep talking about. e-gold should have listened to all of you here and embraced the great suggestions that have been made on this list, but no they have their own agenda, I wonder what it is? Dagny --- Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, this is still the **e-gold** list. That may be what its called, but that has not been its functions for quite sometime now. That is the point of this thread. This is the *e-gold* list and sometimes most of the threads are not about, or even related to, e-gold. It can get to be a little aggravating at times. Some people would use my criticism and obvious listing of the facts to imporove what is broken, yet, others will continue to call me a poopy-head. However, you've lately moved away from constructive criticisms to just blantant, outright bashing criticism. So you really are starting to earn the title of poopy-head. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Digigold vs Systemics
--- George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7/6/2001 01:40 PM -0400, Viking Coder wrote: There is an article about the Digigold vs Systemics dispute on Wired. It also contains brief parts about Charles Evans, Gold-Age and EE-Biz. http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,44967,00.html Written by our good ole friend, Declan. He seems to be finally figuring out what e-gold is actually about. And who is Andrew Osterman who also contributed to the article? Sounds like the making of a foreign spy novel - sex, money, power and deception. I didn't realize the Khan sisters, while gorgeous young ladies, were such vixens. George, you better be careful what you say about people without proof. And since the worked for Charles, was he running a spy network g. I thought Barry Downey, Douglas Jackson and his Family were running the show? How can one employee be so badly managed that he is now being made responsible for all management shortcomings? Maybe Charles is also responsible for Global Warming? Can't wait to see the movie. Regarding news articles, there is a statement that I always quote there is no such thing as bad publicity. Is that why you post so much bogus? I guess any post from you will give your company some attention? The origin is unknown, although Brendan Behan (Irish author d. 1964) has been quoted as the author. So, the trick now is to turn this article into a good piece. G Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Please help
Could someone please provide the link for the comparison chart of privately issued gold currencies? I have benn unable to find it. Thank you! Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: please help
I have been able to find the answer to my previous question, thanks to Trill's wonderful and comprehensive site and search capabilities. http://tril.tunes.org/e-gold/links.html Thank you for having such a great, comprehensive and easy to use e-gold directory. Dagny __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: More competition
e-gold does not have a patent in anything. So what do they have to offer? --- Julian Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: On 25 Jun 2001, at 3:02, Julian Morrison wrote: Patent cross-licensing Hello Julian, Can you explain what you mean by the above ? Jack has a patent on butt scratching and sues Jill. Jill points out that Jack picks his nose, for which she has a patent, and she'll sue if he continues his lawsuit. Jack offers to license Jill to scratch her butt, provided she licenses him to pick his nose. This is called a patent cross-licensing agreement. Jack and Jill now have a cosy little cartel from which to stomp anyone who doesn't have their own patents to use as bargaining chips. = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: More competition
e-gold does not have a patent in anything. So what do they have to offer? --- Julian Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: On 25 Jun 2001, at 3:02, Julian Morrison wrote: Patent cross-licensing Hello Julian, Can you explain what you mean by the above ? Jack has a patent on butt scratching and sues Jill. Jill points out that Jack picks his nose, for which she has a patent, and she'll sue if he continues his lawsuit. Jack offers to license Jill to scratch her butt, provided she licenses him to pick his nose. This is called a patent cross-licensing agreement. Jack and Jill now have a cosy little cartel from which to stomp anyone who doesn't have their own patents to use as bargaining chips. = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] e-gold embraces HYIP passively
--- SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a listing for all of these somewhere? I still have a hard time convincing businesses to take e-gold for my purchases. Pssibly I am buying from the wrong companies if thousands are accepting it? Maybe thousands of HYIP businesses? No, I don't know of thousands of businesses accepting e-gold. snip E-Gold, for the past 3 months now, has again resumed its phenomenal growth -- now up about 20% in funded accounts over 10 grams, since March. Account creation is down for the fifth consecutive week and if it hadn't been for the few really popular scams, nothing has changed in the statistics, if you look at the numbers from last August. Current account holders are getting their pay out from their scams, that is why you have a growth in accounts over 10 grams. It is only about 100 USD, anyway. As long as E-Gold maintains steady growth, it doesn't need to advertise -- and probably shouldn't advertise if the growth rate remains this high. It should attract real businesses, instead of scams and porn sites! How does that go along with the E-Dinar morals, anyway? Are they endorsing porn and scam as well, since they are using the same system? Do the e-dinar people even know what the e-gold customer base is? Of course, PayPal was able to grow much faster, so maybe E-Gold could too, but PayPal is still in the Red and E-Gold is still in the Black. How do you know that? I would like to see e-gold PL sheets. Are you confusing e-gold with GSR, again? I would like to see GSR's PL sheet as well, while we are at it. Slow, steady, growth can be considered ideal. Craig If it were not for people like you and Viking Coder, e-gold, GSR and whatever else they call themselves would not have many friends vocalizing as if they were an authority and on the inside! How can you speak with s much authority, if you are not part of their family? = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Charlotte's Story
How do we know that this is for real? I am not sure that this could not be the oldest hoax on the web: give for a good cause. Dagny --- Geoff Wiltshire - Web and Technical [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank JPM Much appreciated, unfortunately it seems you and the e-gold staff are the only ones so far able to donate, I was hoping to be able to ring Charlottes parents this morning and tell them to book her ticket to the USA, but alas it looks like there is a fair way to go yet :-) However we have topped the $100 mark in only 24 hours so I suppose it's a good start So please listees, donate as much as you can, this little girl needs your help, even just $1.00 from each list member would be great, $2.00 would be fantastic and $5.00 would be absolutely wonderful!!! http://www.altimaweb.com/charlotte Kind Regards Geoff I spent $20 to the cause! Anyone who doesn't donate IS A BASTARD!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Even More Gold
Yes, must be one hell of a single customer, account creation has been down for the past three weeks, so demand is down according to e-golds own statistics. E-gold bought bars on Sunday in London, I wonder how they did that? Did not realize that banks and Golddealers work on weekends... Well it is Europe, so they are known for their need to work on weekends... Dagny --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's an equivalent dollar figure for all these recent bars, guys?? A 400 oz. gold bar is currently worth US$106,800. So the 10 bars that have been bailed in in the past 5 days have a value of over $1 million. The total e-gold reserve has increased by ~9%. that's a lot of inXchange! It's a great pity e-gold no longer deign to comment on this list and have generally adopted a more secretive view of things. Viking Coder __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Two New Bars Purchased.
The one account that has over 100kg in it is CostaGold, look at the public balances. http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp Omnipay must have at least two business accounts, so at least two of the 10kg to 100 kg will be OmniPay e-gold accounts. Dagny --- Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two new bars of gold were purchased today. E-Gold seems to have resumed its growth pattern, beginning about 8 weeks ago. The number of funded accounts, with an amount larger than 10 grams of e-gold, are now up OVER 10 percent from late March. Damn... You're quick to notice that... My stats grabbing program recorded that at 9:00:03pm GMT there was 1.38Mg of gold in circulation (like there has been since 4/23) with 8 account holders having between 10Kg and 100Kg and 1 account holder having between 100Kg and 1Mg. 4 minutes and 27 seconds later you post the above message. Then at 9:58:19pm the stats were as follows: 1.41Mg of gold in circ. with 9 accout holders having between 10Kg and 100Kg and 1 account holder having between 100Kg and 1Mg. I think it is safe to conclude that Omnipay is the account holder having between 100kg and 1Mg. 2 bars equals 800 oz equals ~24.9 Kg which would definitely bring another account into the 10Kg-100Kg bracket. This means that it is highly possible that somebody else, i.e. NOT Omnipay, deposited/bailed the gold into the reserve vault. Viking Coder __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] coffee for e-gold?
Is the capulin coffee worth the e-gold? I saw that you can buy coffee with e-gold, has anybody tried it? Is it good? Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Yada yada yada
George, please clarify for me: Are you saying that SR has more than 500,000 accounts? What does committed account mean?? Where are your statistics? The only way that a system that is backed by e-gold can have twice as many accounts as e-gold is if those accounts have about 1 atom of gold each in them. Tell the truth George, have you been creating accounts when no one is looking? :-) Dagny --- George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:03 PM 3/29/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gold currency companies need to realize that they would all benefit by doing this, even e-gold. Here's why: In a fragmented market, say of 500,000 users, e-gold might have 250,000 users, GoldMoney 40,000, Standard Reserve 50,000 and so on. Each currency is limited by this to its own niche market. You are assuming there are only 500,000 potential users. As of this writing, we have surpassed that number of committed accounts, and should have more than that in funded accounts before the year is out. Keep in mind there is a VERY LARGE non-gold economy out there. Stay tuned for some upcoming announcements. George __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] minimum
Please help me think this through: e-gold, GSR and OmniPay are run by the same people. That puts OmniPay in a very monopolistic position in regards to market share, access to customer information and fraud protection. OmniPay used to have a USD 3000 InExchange minimum, which meant less customers. OmniPay gives reeeaaaly bad customer service. OmniPay lowered their minimum to USD 1000, which means more customers. Logically, they should now give even worse customer service and they are slapping their Exchange Providers in the face by using their monopoly position to take customers away from the other service providers? Is OmniPay doing so badly that they have to cut out the middle man? What a business practice is this? First encourage people to open businesses, based on a system and then take it away, almost sound like someone is trying to play god: One giveth, one taketh away!!! Someone is having some fun ruining other people! MarketMakers, Exchange Providers I would embrace the competition, what do you have to loose, they are already treating you pretty disrespectful! = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: PECUNIX INCORPORATED Share Offer
I seriously doubt that they did it for a couple hundred thousand. If they did, then no wonder about all the flaws. Maybe these people want to do it right? :-) Dagny Taggart Why are they trying to raise 6.5 million dollars to build another Digital Currency, when E-Gold and GoldMoney did it for only a couple hundred thousand dollars? Craig __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold 2001 conference date?
According to their website nothing ever took place, so what are you talking about? Dagny --- Graham Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Does anybody have any idea when the 2001 e-gold conference will take place? JMR? Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St Phone/Fax +44 (0)709-233-7612 Fax +1(312)777-4270 Want a debit card linked to your e-gold account? Apply below! https://www.standardreserve.com/acct/instant_anywhere_application.asp?CID=10 https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=103346 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: raided?!
Those are very thoughtful and great ideas. I am in for a collection, if he needs it. Maybe Jay can open a viewable account and we can all contribute and he can pay his bills through this, if he has access to a computer? Dagny Taggart --- SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we may need to start up a collection for the Bradleys. Perhaps organise legal representation. Does anyone know his family phone number or can contact him or his family? I don't know if he's been charged, or not, but if he's at home, we all should call him. One of the things he probably needs most now, is support. A simple phone call could be extremely comforting at a time like this. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Value of Aussie Dollar
Windows of the World Twin Towers New York City If you want to do it right, it will cost you . The Russian Tea Room, Manhattan And yes, it is worth it, if you find enjoyment in good food, good wine and specialties that can not be found in many places. Dagny Taggart --- gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, what restaurants in NY or London would be $1000-2000? Hate to say it but, there isn't anywhere in the world where the food is THAT good. Gary = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: raided?!
Isn't anybody worried about Mr. Bradley and his family? For trivial things you guys write pages and pages of blabber!!! Did the cat get your tongues? I, for one hope that everything is all right with Goldage and Mr. Bradley and his wife! Best wishes! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have any info on what happened to poor Parker?? http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=4431 49Data=111 vcallaway Yesterday at 1:30 PM Edit Topic I received this in my mailbox: ALERT: FEDS RAIDS A FRIEND I regret to alert you that Parker Bradley, an Exchange Provider for e-gold, a Redemption Center and a friend was raided by approximately 25 Federal Gestapos on Monday, March 12, 2001. Under the deception of investigating credit card fraud, Parker and his wife were kidnapped and treated to the usual gross intimidating tactics of our increasingly tyrannical government. The raid seems to have been aimed at Parker's past acceptance of credit cards for e-gold - a practice that had cost him dearly as the credit card industry is so easy to rip off which then blames the merchant. Please forward this alert to your list and report any raid or unusual police activity with anyone associated with NORFED. We all must stay well informed and ready to investigate any pattern of the government's tyranny. Bernard von NotHaus Monetary Architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Patent
Not only should e-gold worry about e-gold but also about DigiGold! This is taken from the GoldMoney.com web site, I guess this could be considered their official statement: Patents GoldMoney has received two US patents. An application for a third patent is pending. The awarding of these patents acknowledges that GoldMoney is advancing the prior art. Namely, we have created a more advanced, and therefore better currency than the currency that now exists. The patents illustrate why GoldMoney is a currency that is ideally suited for ecommerce. The first patent application was filed in February 1993, and US Patent No. 5,671,36 was awarded in September 1997. This patent provides for a system and method that enables gold or other commodities (tangible assets) to circulate through an electronic medium as currency in a book entry accounting system. The second patent, US Patent No. 5,983,207, was awarded in September 1999. This patent provides for a system and method that enables gold or other commodities to circulate electronically as digital cash, ensuring privacy and facilitating micro-payments. Both patents may be viewed at the U.S. Patent Offices website (www.uspto.gov). = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Patent
Dear Mr. Coder, I appreciate your opinion and comments. I would like to hear from an e-gold representative, because they would have access to pertinent information, unless you are an official spokesman for e-gold, you are just guessing, are you? Please go to the following link, courtesy of the US Patent office: http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/search-adv.htm search for: IN/Turk AND ABST/gold and you will see that the application was filed in June of 1995. When exactly was e-gold launched? As we all know, in the past, e-gold layers have threatened potential Exchange Providers with legal actions, for trademark violations. e-gold are very aware of such things, it seems like only when it is to their advantage, not because the law says so. Are they in patent law violation? What do they have to say about it? Are the founders just copycats? Dagny Taggart --- Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dagny Taggart wrote I just read that James Turk of Goldmoney has a patent on gold as currency. This is in the same vein as Amazon.com getting a patent on One-Click Payment. The US patent office is unable to deal with online patent issuance, currently. They do not know how to effectively search for prior published art. Is e-gold in patent law violation? No. e-gold is prior art. What is the official answer to that from e-gold, not Golddirectory? ;-) I'm not e-gold or Gold Directory. However, I'm am an individual who likes to speak my mind. James Turk is the managing director and founder of GoldMoney.com, an electronic currency used in ecommerce, which is the result of U.S. patents awarded to him in September 1997 and June 1999. e-gold has been in full operation since 1996. Viking Coder __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] patents
Dear Mr. Coder, I appreciate your opinion and comments. I would like to hear from an e-gold representative, because they would have access to pertinent information, unless you are an official spokesman for e-gold, you are just guessing, are you? Please go to the following link, courtesy of the US Patent office: http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/search-adv.htm search for: IN/Turk AND ABST/gold and you will see that the application was filed in June of 1995. When exactly was e-gold launched? As we all know, in the past, e-gold layers have threatened potential Exchange Providers with legal actions, for trademark violations. e-gold are very aware of such things, it seems like only when it is to their advantage, not because the law says so. Are they in patent law violation? What do they have to say about it? Are the founders just copycats? Dagny Taggart --- Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dagny Taggart wrote I just read that James Turk of Goldmoney has a patent on gold as currency. This is in the same vein as Amazon.com getting a patent on One-Click Payment. The US patent office is unable to deal with online patent issuance, currently. They do not know how to effectively search for prior published art. Is e-gold in patent law violation? No. e-gold is prior art. What is the official answer to that from e-gold, not Golddirectory? ;-) I'm not e-gold or Gold Directory. However, I'm am an individual who likes to speak my mind. James Turk is the managing director and founder of GoldMoney.com, an electronic currency used in ecommerce, which is the result of U.S. patents awarded to him in September 1997 and June 1999. e-gold has been in full operation since 1996. Viking Coder For some reason this message was not posted in a timely fashion, so I am trying again. = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: spam?
I would love to pay a little extra to not get spam, what fee are you thinking of? --- Khurram Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So... I've received just as much spam in my e-gold list mail account as I have in my eBay mail account. What is this? hmm... I wonder how much somebody would pay for a guaranteed spam proof email account? Khurram Khan _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] please post please post please post
Please post three times. Dagny ;-D = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Standard Reserve site down
Interesting how the world works... Your wrote this about a week ago, now it is coming back to bite you! I guess back to e-gold it is! Dagny Taggart --- George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, others have reported the same issue to us. Another reason why it's better to use Standard Reserve ;-). G --- George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All: Our Standard Reserve site is down as we upgrade our server capabilities. Our technical team is diligently working on it now, and we expect to be back online shortly. Sorry for any inconvenience. George __ George Matyjewicz, President Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Another Wave of New Accounts
I wonder what scam this is? Or do you think that suddenly all the legitimate merchants of the world have united to give e-gold a boost? --- SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if anyone's noticed, but the e-gold system is being SLAMMED with new accounts, since last night. If this keeps up, this will be a record week for new accounts. Craig = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: inquiring minds
What business do you do? --- Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LaMarr Dell wrote This "Coder" person (who won't reveal identity) makes quick judgements as to whether (or not) a site is "legal" .. or, in "its" (don't know if "he" or "she") opinion is a SCAM ... here's what "Viking" said: This is the second time I've posted this spiel. I hide (I wish I could express sarcasm in plaintext) behind the psudeonym "Viking Coder" because I am being truthful. I could lie and call myself "Melissa Jackson" or "Brent Spencer" or "John Jacob Jingleheimer Smit" because that name is my name too. How would you know the difference? Once you have done business with me, you will learn my 'secret identity'. Viking Coder (very proud of my psuedoANOnymITY) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: gasp!
He is just the really deep kind a guy, if we have to ask, we don't get it...;-) --- Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and?. MM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] gasp! http://www.mangogold.com/ --- "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Question
Quote form the SR site: Investors Standard Reserve has received initial seed round funding from E-Gold, GSR, and Warranty Corporation of America. Is this how you treat your investors? Sound like a cat fight to me! --- George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, others have reported the same issue to us. Another reason why it's better to use Standard Reserve ;-). G = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Observations about GoldMoney
If you want to be an Exchange provider for them, you will have to bail a 400 oz bar into the system, unless you buy from the currently listed Cambio? It seems like a very steep startup cost. It looks to me like they cater to investors of large proportion, even the 5000 minimum is pretty steep for a business that is a start up. I wonder if the e-gold bars are part of the same good delivery standards circle they are talking about. Did anybody find out how to get gold into your Holdings? What type of payment is the Cambio accepting? --- Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else noticed any obvious differences? Sidd. = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Something better
Thank you for taking the time to explain things. e-gold et al should consider themselves lucky to have such devoted followers. In the words of that great American Philosopher Bugs Bunny: Just because it seemed like it wasn't fun, it wasn't. I have to go back and try to save a railroad now! --- SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I believe I'm beginning to understand why you're feeling uncomfortable. These presumptions are not correct: 1) Who's running an unlicensed bank? Seriously, I don't know what it is you're calling a bank. To be a bank, you have to pay interest. Private Digital Currencies do not fall under banking regulations. Look at PayPal. The only difference between PayPal and E-Gold, in this fundamental sense, is that PayPal does NOT buy any underlying assets when new PayPal dollars are put into their system, whereas gold is bailed into the E-Gold system for each new ounce of e-gold. It didn't have to be built this way; GSR could have simply made 'promises' to back their currency and kept the money from the sale of e-gold in their own bank accounts. They chose not to do it this way because they didn't believe in it. 2) This is not a Commodities' Brokerage. There is no brokering and there is no leveraging. You're buying a private digital currency backed by gold. This is not a regulated industry in the US. Craig = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] confusion?
Because they do not want to sell gold and they are trying to hold on to as much gold as they can, even if it means jeopardizing their trading balance? Here your confusion is showing. The only thing they are in business for is to bail the gold to e-gold then sell e-gold. GSR don't want to own and hold on to gold as you suggest. I agree, if they were true separate companies. You need to draw the distinction between e-gold and GSR/OMNIPAY... Different functions entirely, don't confuse the two. My understanding is that the founders of e-gold are running GSR/OmniPay and that they, as Exchange Providers, have access to the e-gold servers. = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
Please do, I would like to read this, sounds like a very entertaining piece of work. It is very likely that the restriction on bailment has nothing to do with GSR. Has anyone asked them? Yes. I have. It was like pulling teeth to get them to give a straight answer. But they finally did admit that they (e-gold) would only accept bailment from themselves (GSR). Their answer (such as it was) via Jim Ray has been posted on this list and the FM list several times. If you wish I can send you a copy of the entire correspondence. Best, CCS = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Something better
Dear Mr. Kid Rock, please go to www.geektools.com and look up the who is Digigold.net You will find another head that they are pretending not to wear: Here is a curtesy copy of the information I could find. I hate to sound like the whining wife, but this illustrates my point exactly. They claim things that they are not. They are in control of the entire e-gold universe GSR/OmniPay/e-gold/Digigold. I could live with that but how can I trust them, if they keep denying it? Next thing I know they are going to move the gold to a "bigger and better and safer" storage facility? How are they staying in business? Only with the help of very gullable honest people like you guys. Server used for this query: [ whois.opensrs.net ] Registrant: Gold Silver Reserve Inc 103 Foulk Road, Suite 202 Wilmington, DE 19803 US Domain Name: DIGIGOLD.NET Administrative Contact: Administrator, DNS [EMAIL PROTECTED] 103 Foulk Road Suite 202 Wilmington, DE 19803 US 321-956-1200x120 Technical Contact: Technical, DNS [EMAIL PROTECTED] 103 Foulk Road Suite 202 Wilmington, DE 19803 US 321-956-1200x120 Billing Contact: Billing, DNS [EMAIL PROTECTED] 103 Foulk Road Suite 202 Wilmington, DE 19803 US 321-956-1200x120 Record last updated on 28-Jan-2001. Record expires on 26-Sep-2001. Record Created on 27-Sep-1998. Domain servers in listed order: DNS.ESTPAK.EE 194.126.115.18 DNS2.ESTPAK.EE 194.126.101.34 --- Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob wrote: Kid Rock wrote: Before we continue (I have a lot of questions here) please tell me if DigiGold is owned or operated by the same guys who run egold and Omnipay. I don't know enough to answer that question(s) exactly right. You might get some answers if you read the contract though. I should have said: read the DigiGold grams of gold contract. Bob --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===== Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Something better
If it is widely known that e-gold,/GSR/omnipay/digigold is the same group of guys hiding behind four different corporate shells, why are you so comfortable when they back out of a transaction here and then refuse to back out of a transaction there? Either they believe in the sanctity of a contract or they do not!!! So it is ok to run an unlicensed bank and Digital bearer commodities brokerage from a boiler room in Florida, owned by a Delaware Shell? How safe is my gold? I hope that they are not trying to go public any time soon, because they would never pass scrutiny! --- Claude Cormier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Jan 2001, at 21:50, Dagny Taggart wrote: They claim things that they are not. They are in control of the entire e-gold universe GSR/OmniPay/e-gold/Digigold. I could live with that but how can I trust them, if they keep denying it? Where do you get the idea that they are denying the fact that GSR/OmniPay/e-gold/Digigold are owned by the same people? I don't think they are. They are just saying that e-gold and GSR are separate legal entities with different responsibilities,corporate identity and governance. Claude Cormier = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] banking without a license?
If it is widely known that e-gold,/GSR/omnipay/digigold is the same group of guys hiding behind four different corporate shells, why are you so comfortable when they back out of a transaction here and then refuse to back out of a transaction there? Either they believe in the sanctity of a contract or they do not!!! So it is ok to run an unlicensed bank and Digital bearer commodities brokerage from a boiler room in Florida, owned by a Delaware Shell? How safe is my gold? I hope that they are not trying to go public any time soon, because they would never pass scrutiny! --- Claude Cormier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Jan 2001, at 21:50, Dagny Taggart wrote: They claim things that they are not. They are in control of the entire e-gold universe GSR/OmniPay/e-gold/Digigold. I could live with that but how can I trust them, if they keep denying it? Where do you get the idea that they are denying the fact that GSR/OmniPay/e-gold/Digigold are owned by the same people? I don't think they are. They are just saying that e-gold and GSR are separate legal entities with different responsibilities,corporate identity and governance. Claude Cormier = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Something better
Lets take poor Mr. Michael Moores experience back when it happend. He is still suffering from the aftershocks of being blamed for the banking system, taken of the exchange provider list and as far as I understand the happenings, he was being accused of being a criminal, the value was frozen by the principal of egold in an e-gold account and then Mr. Moore was asked to pay back the money that the banking system took from GSR, despite the fact that nothing had left the system...controlled by the same people who had control of GSR/omnipay/e-gold/digigold. What a way to treat your best customers!!!( exchange providers, I mean) --- Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Dagny Taggart why are you so comfortable when they back out of a transaction here and then refuse to back out of a transaction there? They have/are doing this? Please Clarify for me which transaction[s] these are and how these alleged "back outs" are in contravention of the respective user agreement[s]. Thanks, Sidd. ===== Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
--- Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Khurram wrote: Exchange providers make money on selling gold at a higher price then they bought it at. Since the price of gold has been recently dropping, GSR bought bars at a higher price then what they would be redeeming it at. Lets consider the above. GSR buys 10 bars at spot price of 272 which is highly unlikely but anyway. $272 x 400 x 10 = $1088000 Now GSR bails in 10 bars at the spot price now of 262 and pays e-gold the 1% premium that it charges. Always assuming that the powers that be at e-gold were REALLY STUPID people! How do we know that they aren't? They have control of the spot price of e-gold. If you look at their exchange rates and compare them with Kitco for instance, they are very close. They do not have control of the spot price when needing cash for an outexchange. Bank of Nova Scotia will probably treat them as small potatoes in comparison with the real world. So they can not just name their price, because this is stepping out of their Universe into the real world, the only interface between the two. Why would they be so foolish as to buy gold when it was expensive and then sit on it for weeks till the price dropped before bailing it in? Because they do not want to sell gold and they are trying to hold on to as much gold as they can, even if it means jeopardizing their trading balance? If I was GSR, I would do the deal all on one day, order the gold, prepare the payment at a certain price, then pay for the gold and bail it in all within a short period, while holding the e-gold spot price fixed at a certain level till all was completed. GSR does not set exchange rates any different for the outexchange part as e-gold, for whatever clever reason... It is impossible to keep the market fixed in a fast changing environment. If GSR kept their exchange rates fixed and the price of gold would go up, they would also risk a loss, because they would buy from the dealer at the higher price and still sell at a same spread, derived from a lower spot? How do you predict the future? You would want to sell the same bar of gold as many times over and over again, by doing inexchanges and outexchanges. You do not know though how many ounces you are going to get today so you can sell them again, that means that you have to have some in reserve to fulfill your inexchanges. If you have an account creation of almost 7000 in one week, you have to buy as your customers demand it. If the accountholder deceides they want to get out of e-gold for whatever reason, you have to come up with the cash. I am sure every exchange provider knows what I am talking about? No problem with fluctuating values at all. big ones, if you look at both sides. Of course the e-gold that GSR owned after the deal may take a while to sell, during which time they may be selling at a loss in a falling market, but I guess that is why they don't seem to buy huge amounts at any one time Did you not watch the statistics page? 4-6 bars a day, that is a pretty big quantity, you are talking about half a million dollar deals and more This is my take, have I missed something?? Just the real world. = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
--- SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kuram, my friend, it isn't that way! When GSR bails in gold at $272/ounce, they immediately sell it. How, when outexchange demand is bigger than inexchange demand? Now, if someone wants to exchange their e-gold for US dollars, it doesn't matter what the price was it was originally sold for; the relevant price is the current price and OmniPay could certainly bail-out 10 bars of gold to cover their OutExchange price. They would have to take whatever the market and I think they only deal with Bank of Nova Scotia? offers them Otherwise they would lower their OutExchange price. Why would you go under spot? Craig GoldDirectory.com - Original Message - From: "Khurram Khan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "SnowDog" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] re: Costagold --- "SnowDog" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 272 divided by 262= 1.038 which means that the price of gold has dropped 4%. GSR/OMNIPAY/e-gold is playing head I win tails you loose, no matter what they claim. Exchange providors make money on selling gold at a higher price then they bought it at. Since the price of gold has been recently dropping, GSR bought bars at a higher price then what they would be redeaming it at. Lets conside the above. GSR buys 10 bars at spot price of 272 which is highly unlikely but anyway. $272 x 400 x 10 = $1088000 Now GSR bails in 10 bars at the spot price now of 262 and pays e-gold the 1% premium that it charges. $262 x 400 x 10 x .99 = $1037520 The difference is $50480. Have fund with that. Khurram Khan _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
--- Jeff Fitzmyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What questionable activities? Define questionable Costagold and others that are even allowed to advertise on this list. I don't understand this definition? Are you saying that this is the justification to break the law, just because other people do it? Of course not, I just want the definition -- So you smoked , but you did not inhale? my point is, it is hard to really define in a simple way. Artificial jurisdictions, kazillions of contradictory laws, ethical questions... If I were a business, I would tend to define questionable activities as something that might cost me a lot of money and lower my reputation capital. So you did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. What is "is"? So are you saying that there has been a court order? That would make sense then, I must have missed this in Mr.Reid Jacksons announcement. ===== Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
--- Jeff Fitzmyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What questionable activities? Define questionable Costagold and others that are even allowed to advertise on this list. I don't understand this definition? Are you saying that this is the justification to break the law, just because other people do it? Of course not, I just want the definition -- So you smoked , but you did not inhale? my point is, it is hard to really define in a simple way. Artificial jurisdictions, kazillions of contradictory laws, ethical questions... If I were a business, I would tend to define questionable activities as something that might cost me a lot of money and lower my reputation capital. So you did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. What is "is"? So are you saying that there has been a court order? That would make sense then, I must have missed this in Mr.Reid Jacksons announcement. ===== Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] test
This is a test. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
--- Reid Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is our practice to perform additional due diligence prior to fulfilling high value exchange orders to verify that we have adequate knowledge of the identity of our customer. I have been looking for the part of the user agreement where it says, that you require due diligence for OutExchanges, withdrawals, or whatever you are calling them these days. Somebody other than Snowdog, please help me out here! If I were running a business such as GSR/OmniPay, it would be pretty difficult to maintain large enough trading balances to be able to fulfill payment requests such as this. If I am not mistaken, the e-gold was in OmniPay's e-gold account. Why don't they just sell some to come up with the money if they do not have enough on hand? How would this work? Would OmniPay redeem 10 x 400oz. bars and then sell it to cover the USD 1.1 million? Of course, if you look at the gold prices right now versus December, when OmniPay had to buy and the most recent growth occurred, according to the statistics page, OmniPay would take a hefty loss and look for any excuse not to pay... I wish GSR/OmniPay had a publicly viewable balance for their e-gold accounts, why don't they? Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Public Notice Regarding Costa Gold
--- Reid Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is our practice to perform additional due diligence prior to fulfilling high value exchange orders to verify that we have adequate knowledge of the identity of our customer. I have been looking for the part of the user agreement where it says, that you require due diligence for OutExchanges, withdrawals, or whatever you are calling them these days. Somebody other than Snowdog, please help me out here! If I were running a business such as GSR/OmniPay, it would be pretty difficult to maintain large enough trading balances to be able to fulfill payment requests such as this. If I am not mistaken, the e-gold was in OmniPay's e-gold account. Why don't they just sell some to come up with the money if they do not have enough on hand? How would this work? Would OmniPay redeem 10 x 400oz. bars and then sell it to cover the USD 1.1 million? Of course, if you look at the gold prices right now versus December, when OmniPay had to buy and the most recent growth occurred, according to the statistics page, OmniPay would take a hefty loss and look for any excuse not to pay... I wish GSR/OmniPay had a publicly viewable balance for their e-gold accounts, why don't they? The principals of Costa Gold have not responded to our due diligence inquiries. In cases where our customer will not comply with our due diligence procedures, it is our practice to refund the e-gold to the e-gold account(s) used to fund the exchange. However, we have received conflicting information from entities representing themselves to be Costa Gold that preclude us from refunding the e-gold in this particular case at this time. Specifically, we have received communications indicating that the password(s) for Costa Gold have been compromised due to inadequate security at Costa Gold, and have also received these conflicting instructions: 2. Instructions to fulfill the orders immediately. 3. Instructions to stabilize the value. 4. Instructions to cancel the orders and refund the e-gold. Therefore OmniPay has requested Smith Downey, P.A., the US counsel for Gold Silver Reserve, Inc., to set up an escrow account to hold the disputed e-gold balance until a proper disposition can be made. The account balance in this escrow account is publicly viewable using the following URL: http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=244983 Refund of the escrowed funds is contingent on provision of information from the principals or authorized agents of Costa Gold confirming that they are authorized to make disposition of the disputed value. Reid Jackson Managing Director Gold Silver Reserve, Inc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
You gave me the link for the e-gold examiner, since when have these two companies merged? I am talking about the OmniPay e-gold account 109243 Why is that not viewable? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish GSR/OmniPay had a publicly viewable balance for their e-gold accounts, why don't they? Dagny Taggart ? of course they do http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html (its not as cool as this thought http://use.e-gold.com ! :) ) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
My point exactly Craig! HEY! You guys should follow the same rules as everyone else. If I fulfill an order due to a bad exchange rate, then I'll have to live with it. Is this part of the Golden Rule, "He who has the gold makes the rules?" :) Craig --- SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking for the part of the user agreement where it says, that you require due diligence for OutExchanges, withdrawals, or whatever you are calling them these days. Somebody other than Snowdog, please help me out here! Couldn't help it... "20. Value Limits GSR may set value limits on individual and aggregate Exchange transactions based on the sufficiency of the identifying information provided by User or based on the need for making an orderly market." Arf, SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
--- "James M. Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:21 PM -0800 1/26/01, Dagny Taggart wrote: My point exactly Craig! ... (Note how I elided the repeated text, so the signal to noise gets back to bearable, and instead inserted "..." -- some here might consider emulating this behavior for the benefit of unfortunates on the digest, since it _IS_ in the welcome message I'm sure you all read when you got on the list -- the same one that tells folks not to post HTML...) Can someone here please explain what the essence of the previous paragraph is? Anyway, please re-read (carefully) the following words. I'd note that OmniPay is like any exchange provider, and there is not a rule that exchange providers (or anyone else) must have public balances. So it is going to continue to be OmniPay's policy to keep secret its liquidity and solvency. That was all I wanted to know. All of them are free to do so tomorrow, none have. Some have. Look at the publicly viewable balances. If you want a market maker with a publicly viewable balance soon, I suggest that you start it yourself. OmniPay has a very special position in this whole e-gold universe, I don't think it is asking to much, especially in light of the recent statement regarding Costagold. Are they trying to hide something? If you did, and you also wished to "take the fall" for others' fraud or criminality, that's your choice, but clearly that's not the choice most market makers make, including OmniPay. No one is talking about taking the fall for anyone. You guys live off some questionable activities on the Internet. It just looks like you are behaving just like them: Take the e-gold and not pay out. "GSR may set value limits on individual and aggregate Exchange transactions based on the sufficiency of the identifying information provided by User or based on the need for making an orderly market" is right out of the user agreement. Seems to require due diligence from the way I read it... No. It requires that Omnipay have enough money in its bank account to handle the transaction. If Costa were running off with $50K it would have gone unnoticed? The only difference here is that it looks like you are underfunded. The following words are from Reid Jackson to a customer today. JMR --- begin quote 2.5. Disputes Between Users 2.5.1. Any disputes that arise between Users are not the responsibility of Issuer. ??? This is from the e-gold agreement. The Costa Affair is an OmniPay matter. Last I heard you wanted us to believe that e-gold and Omnipay are two different companies. Get your story straight. 2.5.2. User acknowledges that e-gold is not an escrow service, and that Issuer does not make any guarantees regarding purchases made when using the e-gold service. User acknowledges that Issuer does not ensure the quality, safety, or legality of any merchandise received, nor that the seller will even ship the merchandise. This looks like it is from the PayPal user agreement. It says that you won't do what you have done by seizing the Costa money and handing it over to your lawyer. 2.6. Indemnification User agrees to indemnify and hold harmless Issuer, its agents, affiliates officers, directors and employees from any claim or demand whatsoever relating to or arising out of User's use of the e-gold system, except for any loss caused by negligence or willful misconduct of Issuer. --- end quote 23.Indemnification. You agree to indemnify and hold PayPal, its affiliates, officers, directors and employees harmless from any claim, action, demand, loss, or damages (including attorneys' fees) made or incurred by any third party arising out of or relating to your use of the Service. Right. The Costa Affair is not your problem. Why did you get involved? OmniPay, the currency exchange service of Gold Silver Reserve, Inc. and an e-gold User just like you and Costa Gold... Aren't e-gold and OmniPay servers in the same location? Same management and run from the same offices? , has placed the funds in an escrow account rather than fulfill the exchange or refund the e-gold for the reasons stated in the public notice... We won't escrow. We will escrow. We won't get into customer disputes. We will get into customer disputes. Sorry to have gone on like this but the truth to noise level is sinking to all time lows. OmniPay will not take responsibility for refunding customers of Costa Gold, nor will the escrow agent. Refund of the escrowed funds [to Costa Gold] is contingent on provision of information from the principals or authorized agents of Costa Gold confirming that they are authorized to make disposition of the disputed value. Whether Costa Gold then refunds its customers or not is between them and their customers. Regards,
[e-gold-list] re: Costagold
--- "James M. Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:21 PM -0800 1/26/01, Dagny Taggart wrote: My point exactly Craig! ... (Note how I elided the repeated text, so the signal to noise gets back to bearable, and instead inserted "..." -- some here might consider emulating this behavior for the benefit of unfortunates on the digest, since it _IS_ in the welcome message I'm sure you all read when you got on the list -- the same one that tells folks not to post HTML...) Can someone here please explain what the essence of the previous paragraph is? Anyway, please re-read (carefully) the following words. I'd note that OmniPay is like any exchange provider, and there is not a rule that exchange providers (or anyone else) must have public balances. So it is going to continue to be OmniPay's policy to keep secret its liquidity and solvency. That was all I wanted to know. All of them are free to do so tomorrow, none have. Some have. Look at the publicly viewable balances. If you want a market maker with a publicly viewable balance soon, I suggest that you start it yourself. OmniPay has a very special position in this whole e-gold universe, I don't think it is asking to much, especially in light of the recent statement regarding Costagold. Are they trying to hide something? If you did, and you also wished to "take the fall" for others' fraud or criminality, that's your choice, but clearly that's not the choice most market makers make, including OmniPay. No one is talking about taking the fall for anyone. You guys live off some questionable activities on the Internet. It just looks like you are behaving just like them: Take the e-gold and not pay out. "GSR may set value limits on individual and aggregate Exchange transactions based on the sufficiency of the identifying information provided by User or based on the need for making an orderly market" is right out of the user agreement. Seems to require due diligence from the way I read it... No. It requires that Omnipay have enough money in its bank account to handle the transaction. If Costa were running off with $50K it would have gone unnoticed? The only difference here is that it looks like you are underfunded. The following words are from Reid Jackson to a customer today. JMR --- begin quote 2.5. Disputes Between Users 2.5.1. Any disputes that arise between Users are not the responsibility of Issuer. ??? This is from the e-gold agreement. The Costa Affair is an OmniPay matter. Last I heard you wanted us to believe that e-gold and Omnipay are two different companies. Get your story straight. 2.5.2. User acknowledges that e-gold is not an escrow service, and that Issuer does not make any guarantees regarding purchases made when using the e-gold service. User acknowledges that Issuer does not ensure the quality, safety, or legality of any merchandise received, nor that the seller will even ship the merchandise. This looks like it is from the PayPal user agreement. It says that you won't do what you have done by seizing the Costa money and handing it over to your lawyer. 2.6. Indemnification User agrees to indemnify and hold harmless Issuer, its agents, affiliates officers, directors and employees from any claim or demand whatsoever relating to or arising out of User's use of the e-gold system, except for any loss caused by negligence or willful misconduct of Issuer. --- end quote 23.Indemnification. You agree to indemnify and hold PayPal, its affiliates, officers, directors and employees harmless from any claim, action, demand, loss, or damages (including attorneys' fees) made or incurred by any third party arising out of or relating to your use of the Service. Right. The Costa Affair is not your problem. Why did you get involved? OmniPay, the currency exchange service of Gold Silver Reserve, Inc. and an e-gold User just like you and Costa Gold... Aren't e-gold and OmniPay servers in the same location? Same management and run from the same offices? , has placed the funds in an escrow account rather than fulfill the exchange or refund the e-gold for the reasons stated in the public notice... We won't escrow. We will escrow. We won't get into customer disputes. We will get into customer disputes. Sorry to have gone on like this but the truth to noise level is sinking to all time lows. OmniPay will not take responsibility for refunding customers of Costa Gold, nor will the escrow agent. Refund of the escrowed funds [to Costa Gold] is contingent on provision of information from the principals or authorized agents of Costa Gold confirming that they are authorized to make disposition of the disputed value. Whether Costa Gold then refunds its customers or not is between them and their customers. Regards,
[e-gold-list] Re: Cracking the pot of gold...
Hold on a second! You mean to say that e-god runs on windows? The servers are in Florida and this is how they protect 46,000 oz of gold? What is Standard Reserve run on? What is Metal Savings run on? --- Jeff Fitzmyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and are not working their a**es off making our e-gold accounts opaque to hackers. I know of one person who had I5K removed from his account, and just this week two people I know have had attempts at hacking their e-gold accounts, This is one major reason why the system should be on OpenBSD (or FreeBSD or Linux). Basically there is a pot of gold 'protected' by a windoze based system. Hello? microsoft is a great marketing company and a crappy software company. Some costs associated with M$ products compared to OpenBSD: - 10 times the down time based on mainly independent studies - Constant bug and security fixes that take a lot of time to keep on top of - and you need to be fast because crackers can act fast when new security problems are found. - Pay a lot for software that is poorer quality then free software. You say, "Well, we can make it work", "It is good enough", etc. Making it work means higher costs and more time spent coddling a junky system. Wouldn't you rather spend your time doing something fun and useful? Now if these cracker stories are true, how much time and effort will it take fix them? Lots. When will they stop? Never. How are you going to manage them? Keep building a great idea on a dung heap or rebuild the foundation to be as solid as possible. In case I am not being clear: Choosing M$ products is crippling your company in terms of overhead cost, time misspent and REPUTATION. What about liability? There is abundant evidence that M$ is the most insecure of current OS's. By sticking with them you might be sued for not fulfilling your fiduciary responsibilities. The costs, potential costs and shear headache involved just make it insane to not use unix. It is unbelievable! http://www.openbsd.org/ "secure by default" --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] state of e-gold
e-gold also promises that its currency is backed 100% at all times. In lieu of the below I wonder how true this is??? How often do they change their policies and do they only announce after the fact? --- "James M. Ray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:37 AM -0500 1/3/01, CCS wrote: ... This gradual abrogation is not unlike the way GSR has been gradually abrogating the original promises it made concerning the convertibility of e-gold. All that remains is the promise of delivery of 400oz bars. A promise which has not been tested for a long time. ... ===== Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Rip Van Winkle here was e-gold accepted here
This sounds like the abused womens syndrome: The more you despise and abuse your customers the more they will come back? Isn't there any competition out there? These guys are behaving like monopolists! --- "Mark S. Ohberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reid Jackson wrote: check out the new additions to the Merchants and Organizations section of the e-gold directory and do what comes natural: http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/links.htm Good Heavens Mr. Jackson, i mean Uncle Reid, Please Correct me If I am wrong, but i neva got da memo that the powers did away with the old directory listing, which was magnificent and comprehensive. Did I over look dis old list, let me double check! ===== Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: borrowing from e-gold
If e-gold does not lend e-gold, how do they explain negative balances in some accounts? On the public balance page there is one account with a balance of negative 7.7 oz of silver. I wonder how many other accounts with negative balances there are and how that is reflected on the examiner. Is e-gold always backed 100% by precious metals and has it been in the past? Is this only a claim they make? Sounds to me like there is some lending going on? -- Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: e-gold does not lend metal so you cannot borrow from e-gold. You might find someone who will lend you some of their gold. Although i doubt it. How do I go about borrowing metal from e-gold? = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold / SR ??
Now you are being very confusing. SR does not have its own gold. SR holds its assets in e-gold, which costs 1% per year. Metal Savings pays interest. If you are not going to store your gold, then why are you not holding your assets in Metal Savings or something else that does not cost you anything? --- Elwyn Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SR does not have its own gold as you state in your article, it has e-gold which it buys at a steep discount (because the owner of e-gold also has a equity ownership position in SR) - and then re-issues the e-gold as SR gold. Therefore SR is no more then a clone of e-gold, sure, SR has more features and more options available than e-gold - but, in the long run, as long as SR is simply "Re-named" e-gold they shouldn't tell everyone that they are Completely Unique. This is a very interesting question and one which many may not really undersand. Standard Reserve does not re-issue E-Gold. Rather, Standard Reserve holds E-Gold as the asset backing Standard Gold. In doing this, Standard Reserve has a far more liquid asset than E-Gold making it possible to handle that asset in a different manner than E-Gold. ===== Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: another way for Standard Reserve e-gold to market itself...
I have been told that e-gold has been doing micropayments since the beginning. What is the big deal with Standard Reserve " implementing" this? I have some Pokemon Cards and old National Geographic Magazines, I think I am just going to post what I have to sell on this list. I have some dirty laundry that needs to be washed. Would you prefer Standard Reserve or e-gold in payment to do it for me? Should we change the name of this list to Standard e-gold bay? --- George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:07 AM 12/24/2000 -0800, Jeff Fitzmyers wrote: "Website losing money? Easily get your customers to pay for your content by enabling micropayments." Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox, December 24, 2000: The Web in 2001: Paying Customers http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20001224.html I knew Jakob had some good points ;-). MicroPayments are one of the major features that we will be implementing at Standard Reserve. Stay tuned. George __ George Matyjewicz, Chief Executive Officer Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA Acct# 120018 Tel: 770-300-3070 Ext 2818 World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: why?
Thank you for this prompt explanation. It is not very clear to me though why Goldtoday would be taken off the list of market makers, since he seemed to be the scapegoat for e-gold and the banks? So e-gold is behaving just like the banks? What incentive do I have now to switch from the banking system to e-gold? --- markab23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can answer that for you. Michael Moore, who runs the gold-today site was hit my two crimminals who placed orders using counterfeit cheques not long ago. Those cheques (a couple of hundred dollars AUS) were sent direct to the gold-today banks and then subsequently passed to e-gold and to the crimminals accounts. when it was discovered that these cheques were fraudulent the banks retrieved the funds from e-gold and returned them to the issuing banks. (All the market makers are aware of this of course). As a consequence e-gold did not approve of this and decided to punish gold-today by removing them from the accredited list of market makers. This has not detered gold today who is still doing business despite having been hit both by the crimminals and e-gold. I am a client of gold-today and have always found Michael Moore to be honest and efficient in business. The thing I like most about doing business with Michael is that he always communicates, unlike omnipay and e-gold who I reckon ignores most communications as you might know if you have been following this discussion board. I think you will also find, if you ask around to the other market makers, that they will vouch for Michael Moore in the highest possible terms. I hope that answers your question. (Sorry Mike I just had to get in first!!) Chuck. = Original Message From Dagny Taggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dear Michel Moore? If you are a market maker, why is Goldtoday not posted on the e-gold site? = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Powered by http://www.telstra.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
