[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
A very late Good Evening to you, It has finally happened, I have gone a full week without having to start a fire to stay warm. It was chilly many times but I found another way to keep the house warm until the sun heated the roof enough. Today the temperature rose above 70 again and I think for the next couple of days it was stay in the low 70s before creeping back down. It dried out enough for me to get into the forest and start cutting firewood. I have enough wood remaining to get me half way through the winter unless I have to start more fires this summer. What a strange year it has been. I hear stories about how hot it is but I have yet to experience any day I would call hot. Last week's 77 on Sunday was the hottest I have gotten all year and that would be cool for most of you. Even though I have not had any rain this week I did get precipitation yesterday morning when the fog was so thick it caused the trees to rain on me. The roads were completely dry unless there was a tree directly overhead. The fog was so thick I could not get a connection to the tower where I get my Internet feed until 9 AM when the sun started to burn off the fog. Propagation yesterday was great at times and during the rest of the week it was good. I finally got the firmware upgrade zip file moved over to the K3 so now I can access the menu command which allows me to run APF. In fact I needed to do nothing to get it other than the firmware flash. When I checked the menu I found APF had already been chosen. I tested it and found it does work rather well if you can handle the ringing it adds to the signal. Sounds much like closing the DSP filters down extremely tight which I assume is what it does with one button hold. But when the signals fall below the noise floor even a ringing signal is better than none at all. I expect it will come in handy during the fox hunts. I found it was unnecessary during my regular skeds this week because the signals had improved markedly from last week. Now that the sun is waning into autumn I expect propagation will keep improving. If anyone is interested in acting as a relay station on either net please email me. I will turn the net over to you for a few minutes so you can call areas in my skip zone. It sure would prove helpful to those I cannot reach directly. Please join us tomorrow afternoon and evening. 1) Hail signs (first letter or two of the suffix of your call) 2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP relay help) Sunday 2200z (Sunday 3 PM PDT) 14050 kHz Monday z (Sunday 5 PM PDT) 7045 kHz Stay well, Kevin. KD5ONS - __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
A watt is a watt is a watt. I also don't understand guys spending 2 grand for an amp and not buying the proper 240 V cable and wall outlets. It seems the interest more is that the amp matches the K3 aesthetically than technical/safety considerations. Good QSK does help on CW in pileups. The other features you discuss were of a distinct advantage when the new PJ's came on. Working all four new ones on 9 bands and all modes was made a lot easier with no tune and instant band change. The probability of such an event occurring again is probably nil. I did hear a lot of K3's owners calling on the ST0R's frequency. Perhaps the K3 needs to implement true one button split out of the box. One shouldn't have to program bunches of function keys with little sticky tags on the button/panel to get there. Besides there are not enough buttons to program. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/30/2011 6:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: On 7/30/2011 12:58 PM, KD3RF wrote: Worked ST0R on two bands so far, both using the KPA500, SB on 20 mtrs and 15 mtr RTTY. Ran the amp at reduced input on RTTY for 200 watts out, fan didn't even come on. Can someone tell me what I could expect from my KPA500 working the ST0R pileup that I couldn't expect from a Brand X 500W amplifier [or an unbranded 1,500W amp running at 500W]? My K3/KPA500 combo offers me exquisite QSK at any speed, allows me to change bands in an instant, and requires no tuning, all of which are distinct advantages in operating in general. However, none of them seem particularly relevant to the question of working DX in a very rowdy and sometimes obnoxious pileup. 73, Fred K6DGW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R
Friends, I am getting into trouble when checking ST0R on other bands and then returning back to my original band. If listening to ST0R on 80M and changing bands to see how they are progressing on 40M when changing back to 80M the K3 is no longer operating split. My mind does not function that well and I screw up by transmitting on ST0R's frequency. It would be useful if the split was maintained, VFO A and B frequencies are still there but the split is not activated. Now perhaps there are problems with this that I do no see such as when changing bands while not working a specific station but is there a way to make this failing of mine and I suspect others less likely. Too much is expected of Elecraft people and every improvement seems to make further complications. It sure would be nice to have a pod for the M1-M4 buttons rather than keep the finger on an outstretched arm poised over M2 to send my call. Thank you Elecraft, there is a penalty for listening to your users but you are most appreciated. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R
Doug, In the config menu change SPLT SV to YES. The split will be memorized per band. Vy useful when chasing DXpedition 73 Val LZ1VB - Original Message - From: Doug Turnbull turnb...@net1.ie To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:39 PM Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R Friends, I am getting into trouble when checking ST0R on other bands and then returning back to my original band. If listening to ST0R on 80M and changing bands to see how they are progressing on 40M when changing back to 80M the K3 is no longer operating split. My mind does not function that well and I screw up by transmitting on ST0R's frequency. It would be useful if the split was maintained, VFO A and B frequencies are still there but the split is not activated. Now perhaps there are problems with this that I do no see such as when changing bands while not working a specific station but is there a way to make this failing of mine and I suspect others less likely. Too much is expected of Elecraft people and every improvement seems to make further complications. It sure would be nice to have a pod for the M1-M4 buttons rather than keep the finger on an outstretched arm poised over M2 to send my call. Thank you Elecraft, there is a penalty for listening to your users but you are most appreciated. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
Calling on ST0R's freq happened to me a few times. Every time I would go and check another band, then come back to the original band where I had been calling, my split would be gone. I forgot to reset to split, and then would be calling on the wrong freq. Found that I had to go into the CONFIG / SPLT SV menu and set it to YES, then split would be saved. Of course now that I have it set this way, I will have to be careful when I qsy to a new band that split is not set when I don't want to be operating split. 73, Tim - N3XX - Original Message - From: briana als...@nc.rr.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500 I did hear a lot of K3's owners calling on the ST0R's frequency. Perhaps the K3 needs to implement true one button split out of the box. One shouldn't have to program bunches of function keys with little sticky tags on the button/panel to get there. Besides there are not enough buttons to program. 73 de Brian/K3KO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R
I liked the pod that I had when I had an OMNI VI. I find it easier to use a logging program for sending CW messages rather than using the K3's M1-M4 buttons. I think all of the logging programs have that capability. My general logger is the DXLab Suite (http://dxlabsuite.com/) which has that functionality in its WinWarbler module, and it has 32 memories. I added a microHAM microKEYER II several months ago, which consolidated several boxes that I had, including a Winkeyer USB, two FSK interfaces, and a SteppIR tuning relay, and replaced several serial ports with one USB to control everything. One of the capabilities that I like is its built in Winkeyer. Besides the CW/Phone/RTTY messages in WinWarbler, the MKII's router program, which creates several virtual serial ports, has messages that can be used in addition to the messages in WinWarbler. Those messages can be initiated by a PS/2 keyboard or numeric keypad, which is what I use, connected to the MKII. Being a retired accountant, I am more comfortable tapping the keys on the numeric keypad, which I found on eBay, rather than using the F-keys on the computer keyboard for WinWarbler or the buttons on the K3. Using a computer keyboard or a numeric keypad eliminates any wear and tear on the radio's switches. BTW, WinWarbler, as with N1MM (and others?), can send voice messages from the K3's DVR too, again avoiding the need to tap the M buttons on the K3. I'm into ease of operation and ergonomics! Jim N7US -Original Message- Friends, snip It sure would be nice to have a pod for the M1-M4 buttons rather than keep the finger on an outstretched arm poised over M2 to send my call. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
I have been fascinated reading this thread. Listening to the ST0R operation on many bands has been interesting to say the least. You all that complain about the radio not automatically going into split really don't have a clue. The K3 makes working rare dx a relatively simple task, from the radio perspective at least. Antennas help too of course. One of the first rules of chasing dx in a split pile-up is knowing where the dx is listening. You can't learn that if you are not in split before you ever make a call! Listen! Find out how he is operating and where he is listening. Once you know that simple fact getting in the log is pretty easy. 90% of the callers in the ST0R pile are calling blind, and wasting their time and energy. Be one of the 10% that think before transmitting and you will be in the log. The guys at ST0R are super fine ops. Wish I could say the same for everyone calling. I have spent many hours listening to ST0R, have them in the log wherever I wanted and have a TOTAL trasmit time of maybe 5 or 6 minutes. I've been listening for maybe 10 or 12 hours. I used the amp on 20, because that is the band that counts for me. Other band q's were with the k3 barefoot running only about 50 watts. Its a bit more of a challenge that way for me. Okay off soapbox now. 73 bob de w9ge __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
I don't see the problem, there is a large boxed indicator on the display telling you the K3 is in SPLIT. Just take a quick look at the display when changing bands. Of course, I know there are some who would like an automated hand to slap us on the forehead and say in a loud voice Dummy, you are in split. The implementation of that device is left to the user. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 7:43 AM, N3XX wrote: Calling on ST0R's freq happened to me a few times. Every time I would go and check another band, then come back to the original band where I had been calling, my split would be gone. I forgot to reset to split, and then would be calling on the wrong freq. Found that I had to go into the CONFIG / SPLT SV menu and set it to YES, then split would be saved. Of course now that I have it set this way, I will have to be careful when I qsy to a new band that split is not set when I don't want to be operating split. 73, Tim - N3XX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
Bob, I have never understood this whole split operation setup much less figuring out how to listen to someone working split and doing what you stated below. Would you please try and explain it to me.Others have tried but for some reason i just dont get it, or it wont sink in. I was on the radio yesterday and saw many folks calling ST0R and figured that wont work so well. Thanks ~73 Don KD8NNU On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:22 AM, bob finger wrote: I have been fascinated reading this thread. Listening to the ST0R operation on many bands has been interesting to say the least. You all that complain about the radio not automatically going into split really don't have a clue. The K3 makes working rare dx a relatively simple task, from the radio perspective at least. Antennas help too of course. One of the first rules of chasing dx in a split pile-up is knowing where the dx is listening. You can't learn that if you are not in split before you ever make a call! Listen! Find out how he is operating and where he is listening. Once you know that simple fact getting in the log is pretty easy. 90% of the callers in the ST0R pile are calling blind, and wasting their time and energy. Be one of the 10% that think before transmitting and you will be in the log. The guys at ST0R are super fine ops. Wish I could say the same for everyone calling. I have spent many hours listening to ST0R, have them in the log wherever I wanted and have a TOTAL trasmit time of maybe 5 or 6 minutes. I've been listening for maybe 10 or 12 hours. I used the amp on 20, because that is the band that counts for me. Other band q's were with the k3 barefoot running only about 50 watts. Its a bit more of a challenge that way for me. Okay off soapbox now. 73 bob de w9ge __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
Not a problem at all. Just a setting. Change made, and now when I make a quick check of another band, then come back to the original band, I am still split on the original band. 73, Tim - N3XX - Original Message - From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com To: N3XX n...@charter.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500 I don't see the problem, there is a large boxed indicator on the display telling you the K3 is in SPLIT. Just take a quick look at the display when changing bands. Of course, I know there are some who would like an automated hand to slap us on the forehead and say in a loud voice Dummy, you are in split. The implementation of that device is left to the user. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 7:43 AM, N3XX wrote: Calling on ST0R's freq happened to me a few times. Every time I would go and check another band, then come back to the original band where I had been calling, my split would be gone. I forgot to reset to split, and then would be calling on the wrong freq. Found that I had to go into the CONFIG / SPLT SV menu and set it to YES, then split would be saved. Of course now that I have it set this way, I will have to be careful when I qsy to a new band that split is not set when I don't want to be operating split. 73, Tim - N3XX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R
Val and Roger, Thank you this is what was needed. Sorry to add to traffic unnecessarily. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Val Sent: 31 July 2011 12:14 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R Doug, In the config menu change SPLT SV to YES. The split will be memorized per band. Vy useful when chasing DXpedition 73 Val LZ1VB - Original Message - From: Doug Turnbull turnb...@net1.ie To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:39 PM Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R Friends, I am getting into trouble when checking ST0R on other bands and then returning back to my original band. If listening to ST0R on 80M and changing bands to see how they are progressing on 40M when changing back to 80M the K3 is no longer operating split. My mind does not function that well and I screw up by transmitting on ST0R's frequency. It would be useful if the split was maintained, VFO A and B frequencies are still there but the split is not activated. Now perhaps there are problems with this that I do no see such as when changing bands while not working a specific station but is there a way to make this failing of mine and I suspect others less likely. Too much is expected of Elecraft people and every improvement seems to make further complications. It sure would be nice to have a pod for the M1-M4 buttons rather than keep the finger on an outstretched arm poised over M2 to send my call. Thank you Elecraft, there is a penalty for listening to your users but you are most appreciated. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
Remember the days BEFORE our radios had and degree of AUTOMATION? Yup, there was a time when we had to do all that ourselves!! Now that we have SMART radios, we have to deal with a new way of doing things. Fortunately, we have CONFIGURATION options which we use to tell the radio how we want it to act. It's like a SETUP or OPTIONS operation that we use with software. It involves reading the manual and making choices. Today's radios offer us a vast amount of CONTROL over these OPTIONS. All we have to do is read the manual and learn how to make the radio do what WE want it to do. Most of the questions or descriptions of PROBLEMS, that I see volumes of email message about, can be solved using the manual. Larry/K2GN - http://k2gn.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R
Jim, Thank you for your points. I use Micro-Keyer II and WInTest when contesting but continue paper logging for normal operation. I do not like reverting to hand sending when using MK II. I do it but find problems which are inexplicable but my fist deteriorates when doing this. The K3 memories and keyer do not cause me any difficulties. Just possibly it is time for an external memory keyer so that I can just press a handy button but then the problem will return on those occasions when a SSB DX station is being chased. The K3 is so complete that it is a shame to start adding redundant accessories. It was only this week that I found how ridiculously easy it is to go on RTTY with this fine radio and ST0R has now been worked on three different bands using RTTY the first Q was on the first call, the second took three calls and the third took a couple of hours so beginner's luck does run out. Maybe it is time for this dinosaur to change to computer logging. Thank you once again for your suggestions. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim McDonald Sent: 31 July 2011 13:16 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R I liked the pod that I had when I had an OMNI VI. I find it easier to use a logging program for sending CW messages rather than using the K3's M1-M4 buttons. I think all of the logging programs have that capability. My general logger is the DXLab Suite (http://dxlabsuite.com/) which has that functionality in its WinWarbler module, and it has 32 memories. I added a microHAM microKEYER II several months ago, which consolidated several boxes that I had, including a Winkeyer USB, two FSK interfaces, and a SteppIR tuning relay, and replaced several serial ports with one USB to control everything. One of the capabilities that I like is its built in Winkeyer. Besides the CW/Phone/RTTY messages in WinWarbler, the MKII's router program, which creates several virtual serial ports, has messages that can be used in addition to the messages in WinWarbler. Those messages can be initiated by a PS/2 keyboard or numeric keypad, which is what I use, connected to the MKII. Being a retired accountant, I am more comfortable tapping the keys on the numeric keypad, which I found on eBay, rather than using the F-keys on the computer keyboard for WinWarbler or the buttons on the K3. Using a computer keyboard or a numeric keypad eliminates any wear and tear on the radio's switches. BTW, WinWarbler, as with N1MM (and others?), can send voice messages from the K3's DVR too, again avoiding the need to tap the M buttons on the K3. I'm into ease of operation and ergonomics! Jim N7US -Original Message- Friends, snip It sure would be nice to have a pod for the M1-M4 buttons rather than keep the finger on an outstretched arm poised over M2 to send my call. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
Amen! If you want a quick start guide to options you can set for the radio, turn the manual to the table of menu settings. That will give you a view of the functions that you can configure. If you do not understand something about a menu item, you can read the relevant information in more detail in the body of the manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 9:02 AM, K2GN wrote: Remember the days BEFORE our radios had and degree of AUTOMATION? Yup, there was a time when we had to do all that ourselves!! Now that we have SMART radios, we have to deal with a new way of doing things. Fortunately, we have CONFIGURATION options which we use to tell the radio how we want it to act. It's like a SETUP or OPTIONS operation that we use with software. It involves reading the manual and making choices. Today's radios offer us a vast amount of CONTROL over these OPTIONS. All we have to do is read the manual and learn how to make the radio do what WE want it to do. Most of the questions or descriptions of PROBLEMS, that I see volumes of email message about, can be solved using the manual. Larry/K2GN - http://k2gn.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
Sounds like you are suggesting a programmable touchscreen macro pad. Button quantity, size, label, location, shape, spacing, color, etc., all up to you, and available in several sizes. 73, de Jim KG0KP - Original Message - From: N3XX n...@charter.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:43 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500 Calling on ST0R's freq happened to me a few times. Every time I would go and check another band, then come back to the original band where I had been calling, my split would be gone. I forgot to reset to split, and then would be calling on the wrong freq. Found that I had to go into the CONFIG / SPLT SV menu and set it to YES, then split would be saved. Of course now that I have it set this way, I will have to be careful when I qsy to a new band that split is not set when I don't want to be operating split. 73, Tim - N3XX - Original Message - From: briana als...@nc.rr.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500 I did hear a lot of K3's owners calling on the ST0R's frequency. Perhaps the K3 needs to implement true one button split out of the box. One shouldn't have to program bunches of function keys with little sticky tags on the button/panel to get there. Besides there are not enough buttons to program. 73 de Brian/K3KO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
I have used this split technique quite successfully and the K3 makes it a breeze. The first secret is to wear your headphones. Put the K3 in split and you will hear the main receiver in your left ear while the right ear now has the sub receiver. Set up your filters to your liking. Listen on the main receiver and transmit on the sub receiver. Park the main receiver on the DX and lock the dial so you don't accidentally bump it. Slowly tune the sub receiver up the dial from the DX until you start to hear the other stations the DX is working. Determine if there is a pattern by continuing to listen - is the DX working stations further up the dial after each contact? Down the dial? Listening on the same frequency call after call? Read the mail, get familiar with his style. The second secret is timing. To work the DX through the pileup you have to put your signal where the DX is listening at that moment. By figuring out his operating style you have a distinct advantage over most of those ops who are blindly calling. Because of the pileup the DX likely has his receiver running narrow. Zero beat your transmit VFO with the guy he is working and drop your call as soon as he is finished. If the DX is moving up the dial after each contact, move your VFO slightly above that guy and make your call. Try to anticipate where the DX will be listening next. While I have not tried for ST0R yet I have broken through many pileups on my first or second call, using the KPA500, a vertical dipole on CW and this technique. 73 de na6m On 07/31/2011 07:38 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote: Bob, I have never understood this whole split operation setup much less figuring out how to listen to someone working split and doing what you stated below. Would you please try and explain it to me.Others have tried but for some reason i just dont get it, or it wont sink in. I was on the radio yesterday and saw many folks calling ST0R and figured that wont work so well. Thanks ~73 Don KD8NNU On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:22 AM, bob finger wrote: I have been fascinated reading this thread. Listening to the ST0R operation on many bands has been interesting to say the least. You all that complain about the radio not automatically going into split really don't have a clue. The K3 makes working rare dx a relatively simple task, from the radio perspective at least. Antennas help too of course. One of the first rules of chasing dx in a split pile-up is knowing where the dx is listening. You can't learn that if you are not in split before you ever make a call! Listen! Find out how he is operating and where he is listening. Once you know that simple fact getting in the log is pretty easy. 90% of the callers in the ST0R pile are calling blind, and wasting their time and energy. Be one of the 10% that think before transmitting and you will be in the log. The guys at ST0R are super fine ops. Wish I could say the same for everyone calling. I have spent many hours listening to ST0R, have them in the log wherever I wanted and have a TOTAL trasmit time of maybe 5 or 6 minutes. I've been listening for maybe 10 or 12 hours. I used the amp on 20, because that is the band that counts for me. Other band q's were with the k3 barefoot running only about 50 watts. Its a bit more of a challenge that way for me. Okay off soapbox now. 73 bob de w9ge __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
I dont have the two receivers so that is the first thing that puts me at a disadvantage. However, when someone is spotted and they say for example 2.4 UP, I assume that means something split. So if I listen on VFO A that would be their transmitt frq and I would transmitt on VFO B up 2.4 khz or do I have it backwards? Thanks ~73 Don KD8NNU On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Mark Stennett wrote: I have used this split technique quite successfully and the K3 makes it a breeze. The first secret is to wear your headphones. Put the K3 in split and you will hear the main receiver in your left ear while the right ear now has the sub receiver. Set up your filters to your liking. Listen on the main receiver and transmit on the sub receiver. Park the main receiver on the DX and lock the dial so you don't accidentally bump it. Slowly tune the sub receiver up the dial from the DX until you start to hear the other stations the DX is working. Determine if there is a pattern by continuing to listen - is the DX working stations further up the dial after each contact? Down the dial? Listening on the same frequency call after call? Read the mail, get familiar with his style. The second secret is timing. To work the DX through the pileup you have to put your signal where the DX is listening at that moment. By figuring out his operating style you have a distinct advantage over most of those ops who are blindly calling. Because of the pileup the DX likely has his receiver running narrow. Zero beat your transmit VFO with the guy he is working and drop your call as soon as he is finished. If the DX is moving up the dial after each contact, move your VFO slightly above that guy and make your call. Try to anticipate where the DX will be listening next. While I have not tried for ST0R yet I have broken through many pileups on my first or second call, using the KPA500, a vertical dipole on CW and this technique. 73 de na6m On 07/31/2011 07:38 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote: Bob, I have never understood this whole split operation setup much less figuring out how to listen to someone working split and doing what you stated below. Would you please try and explain it to me.Others have tried but for some reason i just dont get it, or it wont sink in. I was on the radio yesterday and saw many folks calling ST0R and figured that wont work so well. Thanks ~73 Don KD8NNU On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:22 AM, bob finger wrote: I have been fascinated reading this thread. Listening to the ST0R operation on many bands has been interesting to say the least. You all that complain about the radio not automatically going into split really don't have a clue. The K3 makes working rare dx a relatively simple task, from the radio perspective at least. Antennas help too of course. One of the first rules of chasing dx in a split pile-up is knowing where the dx is listening. You can't learn that if you are not in split before you ever make a call! Listen! Find out how he is operating and where he is listening. Once you know that simple fact getting in the log is pretty easy. 90% of the callers in the ST0R pile are calling blind, and wasting their time and energy. Be one of the 10% that think before transmitting and you will be in the log. The guys at ST0R are super fine ops. Wish I could say the same for everyone calling. I have spent many hours listening to ST0R, have them in the log wherever I wanted and have a TOTAL trasmit time of maybe 5 or 6 minutes. I've been listening for maybe 10 or 12 hours. I used the amp on 20, because that is the band that counts for me. Other band q's were with the k3 barefoot running only about 50 watts. Its a bit more of a challenge that way for me. Okay off soapbox now. 73 bob de w9ge __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home:
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R
Now if [LOCK] was memorized per band it would be even more helpful. --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Val v...@vip.bg wrote: Doug, In the config menu change SPLT SV to YES. The split will be memorized per band. Vy useful when chasing DXpedition 73 Val LZ1VB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
You can do this with RIT/XIT also but not as elegantly as with a second receiver running in split. You are correct in your assessment. On 07/31/2011 09:05 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote: I dont have the two receivers so that is the first thing that puts me at a disadvantage. However, when someone is spotted and they say for example 2.4 UP, I assume that means something split. So if I listen on VFO A that would be their transmitt frq and I would transmitt on VFO B up 2.4 khz or do I have it backwards? Thanks ~73 Don KD8NNU On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Mark Stennett wrote: I have used this split technique quite successfully and the K3 makes it a breeze. The first secret is to wear your headphones. Put the K3 in split and you will hear the main receiver in your left ear while the right ear now has the sub receiver. Set up your filters to your liking. Listen on the main receiver and transmit on the sub receiver. Park the main receiver on the DX and lock the dial so you don't accidentally bump it. Slowly tune the sub receiver up the dial from the DX until you start to hear the other stations the DX is working. Determine if there is a pattern by continuing to listen - is the DX working stations further up the dial after each contact? Down the dial? Listening on the same frequency call after call? Read the mail, get familiar with his style. The second secret is timing. To work the DX through the pileup you have to put your signal where the DX is listening at that moment. By figuring out his operating style you have a distinct advantage over most of those ops who are blindly calling. Because of the pileup the DX likely has his receiver running narrow. Zero beat your transmit VFO with the guy he is working and drop your call as soon as he is finished. If the DX is moving up the dial after each contact, move your VFO slightly above that guy and make your call. Try to anticipate where the DX will be listening next. While I have not tried for ST0R yet I have broken through many pileups on my first or second call, using the KPA500, a vertical dipole on CW and this technique. 73 de na6m On 07/31/2011 07:38 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote: Bob, I have never understood this whole split operation setup much less figuring out how to listen to someone working split and doing what you stated below. Would you please try and explain it to me. Others have tried but for some reason i just dont get it, or it wont sink in. I was on the radio yesterday and saw many folks calling ST0R and figured that wont work so well. Thanks ~73 Don KD8NNU On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:22 AM, bob finger wrote: I have been fascinated reading this thread. Listening to the ST0R operation on many bands has been interesting to say the least. You all that complain about the radio not automatically going into split really don't have a clue. The K3 makes working rare dx a relatively simple task, from the radio perspective at least. Antennas help too of course. One of the first rules of chasing dx in a split pile-up is knowing where the dx is listening. You can't learn that if you are not in split before you ever make a call! Listen! Find out how he is operating and where he is listening. Once you know that simple fact getting in the log is pretty easy. 90% of the callers in the ST0R pile are calling blind, and wasting their time and energy. Be one of the 10% that think before transmitting and you will be in the log. The guys at ST0R are super fine ops. Wish I could say the same for everyone calling. I have spent many hours listening to ST0R, have them in the log wherever I wanted and have a TOTAL trasmit time of maybe 5 or 6 minutes. I've been listening for maybe 10 or 12 hours. I used the amp on 20, because that is the band that counts for me. Other band q's were with the k3 barefoot running only about 50 watts. Its a bit more of a challenge that way for me. Okay off soapbox now. 73 bob de w9ge __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
Don, Using your example --- Yes, you put the K3 in split and move VFO B 2.4 kHz higher than VFO A. You should listen on your transmit frequency (he may not be listening exactly 2.4 kHz up), and you can do that by holding the REV button. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 10:05 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote: I dont have the two receivers so that is the first thing that puts me at a disadvantage. However, when someone is spotted and they say for example 2.4 UP, I assume that means something split. So if I listen on VFO A that would be their transmitt frq and I would transmitt on VFO B up 2.4 khz or do I have it backwards? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R
I do not like reverting to hand sending when using MK II. I do it but find problems which are inexplicable but my fist deteriorates when doing this. Experiment with the Paddle Mode (Accu-keyer, Curtis, or Ultimatic modes), paddle memory on/off, Auto Space on/off and Paddle setpoint. As with any WinKey based device, those settings make a great deal of difference in the feel of the keyer. Just possibly it is time for an external memory keyer so that I can just press a handy button but then the problem will return on those occasions when a SSB DX station is being chased. microKEYER II has both CW memory keyer as well as DVK available for adding just the PS/2 keypad. 'Twas quite interesting to work ST0R last night on phone without every picking up the microphone - just two memories in the microKEYER II DVK. Maybe it is time for this dinosaur to change to computer logging. Thank you once again for your suggestions. If you're using it for contesting, you are most of the way there G. Once most people adopt computer logging for their daily operation they rather quickly (once they get over the initial learning curve) wonder why they waited so long. DXLab Suite (my favorite) and Logger32 are both very powerful, free packages ... there are also a couple of good commercial loggers if one of the free ones does not suite your particular needs. No matter what logging software you decide to try, take it one step at a time any by all means read the manuals. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/31/2011 9:12 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: Jim, Thank you for your points. I use Micro-Keyer II and WInTest when contesting but continue paper logging for normal operation. I do not like reverting to hand sending when using MK II. I do it but find problems which are inexplicable but my fist deteriorates when doing this. The K3 memories and keyer do not cause me any difficulties. Just possibly it is time for an external memory keyer so that I can just press a handy button but then the problem will return on those occasions when a SSB DX station is being chased. The K3 is so complete that it is a shame to start adding redundant accessories. It was only this week that I found how ridiculously easy it is to go on RTTY with this fine radio and ST0R has now been worked on three different bands using RTTY the first Q was on the first call, the second took three calls and the third took a couple of hours so beginner's luck does run out. Maybe it is time for this dinosaur to change to computer logging. Thank you once again for your suggestions. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim McDonald Sent: 31 July 2011 13:16 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split, changing bands and ST0R I liked the pod that I had when I had an OMNI VI. I find it easier to use a logging program for sending CW messages rather than using the K3's M1-M4 buttons. I think all of the logging programs have that capability. My general logger is the DXLab Suite (http://dxlabsuite.com/) which has that functionality in its WinWarbler module, and it has 32 memories. I added a microHAM microKEYER II several months ago, which consolidated several boxes that I had, including a Winkeyer USB, two FSK interfaces, and a SteppIR tuning relay, and replaced several serial ports with one USB to control everything. One of the capabilities that I like is its built in Winkeyer. Besides the CW/Phone/RTTY messages in WinWarbler, the MKII's router program, which creates several virtual serial ports, has messages that can be used in addition to the messages in WinWarbler. Those messages can be initiated by a PS/2 keyboard or numeric keypad, which is what I use, connected to the MKII. Being a retired accountant, I am more comfortable tapping the keys on the numeric keypad, which I found on eBay, rather than using the F-keys on the computer keyboard for WinWarbler or the buttons on the K3. Using a computer keyboard or a numeric keypad eliminates any wear and tear on the radio's switches. BTW, WinWarbler, as with N1MM (and others?), can send voice messages from the K3's DVR too, again avoiding the need to tap the M buttons on the K3. I'm into ease of operation and ergonomics! Jim N7US -Original Message- Friends, snip It sure would be nice to have a pod for the M1-M4 buttons rather than keep the finger on an outstretched arm poised over M2 to send my call. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [K1] FS: Like-new K1
FS: Wilhelm-built (Mar. 2010) Elecraft K1, s/n 2865, in as-new condition, with KFL1-4 (40, 30, 20 15M) KFL1-2 (80 17M) filter boards, KNB1 Noise Blanker, K1BLKLTKIT-X Backlight. Also comes with KBT1 Battery Adapter, which has not been installed. All documentation included. The K1 has an 80 kHz tuning range. Reason for selling: I bought a Wilhelm-built K2. Asking $350, including shipping via USPS Priority Mail and insurance, CONUS only. I will be happy to demonstrate the K1 on 40, 30 or 20 meters, band conditions permitting. Please email queries to: bullseye-10x a t hotmail d o t com. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-FS-Like-new-K1-tp6638294p6638294.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
Don, Of course you are right there are indicators on the K3 telling you whether split is set. To be honest sometimes a hand coming out and giving me a whack up the side of the head might not be too bad of an idea. The change has been made to my Configuration Menu Splt Sv to yes and so perhaps the problem will now be reduced. Stations inadvertently calling on frequency, is sadly not uncommon and their operators are deeply embarrassed when it happens. As to malicious interference this is a sadder story; there are times when I would like a death ray to deal with these lids. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: 31 July 2011 13:36 To: N3XX Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500 I don't see the problem, there is a large boxed indicator on the display telling you the K3 is in SPLIT. Just take a quick look at the display when changing bands. Of course, I know there are some who would like an automated hand to slap us on the forehead and say in a loud voice Dummy, you are in split. The implementation of that device is left to the user. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 7:43 AM, N3XX wrote: Calling on ST0R's freq happened to me a few times. Every time I would go and check another band, then come back to the original band where I had been calling, my split would be gone. I forgot to reset to split, and then would be calling on the wrong freq. Found that I had to go into the CONFIG / SPLT SV menu and set it to YES, then split would be saved. Of course now that I have it set this way, I will have to be careful when I qsy to a new band that split is not set when I don't want to be operating split. 73, Tim - N3XX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
When I chased DX there was no split, we conserved bandwidth. Is there somewhere to see the split freq? Is it what the op wants? Is it limited to cw or ssb? Can someone explain it to me, I'm sure their are others wondering too. Thanks On Jul 31, 2011 9:16 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Don, Using your example --- Yes, you put the K3 in split and move VFO B 2.4 kHz higher than VFO A. You should listen on your transmit frequency (he may not be listening exactly 2.4 kHz up), and you can do that by holding the REV button. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 10:05 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote: I dont have the two receivers so that is the first thing that puts me at a disadvantage. However, when someone is spotted and they say for example 2.4 UP, I assume that means something split. So if I listen on VFO A that would be their transmitt frq and I would transmitt on VFO B up 2.4 khz or do I have it backwards? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Deposits etc.
Isn't that why Elecraft asked for names for an Interested list ?? -- Dave G KK7SS Richland, WA '59 Morris Minor 1000 - working on it.. '65 Sprite - in process :( '76 Midget - co-owned with #4 Son :) '06 Honda Civic Hybrid __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
Hi Don (et. al.) I put a fair amount of explanation of split operation in The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation. You can see some of it by going to http://www.ke7x.com/home/guide-to-the-k3/chapter-3-1 and scrolling down to section 3.2.10. Give it a try. It is very satisfying (at least to me) to figure out how and where the dx is working and then to be able to jump in and work it. I got the ST0 on 20m running barefoot with a dipole. (I do have the advantage of the second receiver and a P3, though). Good luck and 73, Fred Cady, KE7X fcady at ieee dot org www.ke7x.com -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of gold...@charter.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:39 AM To: bob finger Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R Bob, I have never understood this whole split operation setup much less figuring out how to listen to someone working split and doing what you stated below. Would you please try and explain it to me.Others have tried but for some reason i just dont get it, or it wont sink in. I was on the radio yesterday and saw many folks calling ST0R and figured that wont work so well. Thanks ~73 Don KD8NNU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
The KPA500 was designed to run on 120V mains, Brian. It draw less current than many household vacuum cleaners. Since 240VAC mains are common as well throughout the world, it makes sense that it was designed to work on that voltage too. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- ...I also don't understand guys spending 2 grand for an amp and not buying the proper 240 V cable and wall outlets. It seems the interest more is that the amp matches the K3 aesthetically than technical/safety considerations. 73 de Brian/K3KO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Deposits etc. UpCharge?
From: Ken - K0PP kengk...@gmail.com But Rose says I can't buy K3 # 56 65, due out soon (:-( Rose! Rose! Where's your sense of gravitas?? Think of the poor boys' sense of self worth..! -- Dave G KK7SS Richland, WA '59 Morris Minor 1000 - working on it.. '65 Sprite - in process :( '76 Midget - co-owned with #4 Son :) '06 Honda Civic Hybrid __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fine tuning AF1
Good morning Ron, Yes the antenna is attached to the KX1 so it is as close as it can be to the rig. Yes the Miracle whip is just that a great convenience over the long wire. I have not tried the counterpoise but I do have one and the next time I am out on my deck I will give it a go and see how it helps. If that fails then I will try the cap's as well. Thanks for your time Ron -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Fine-tuning-AF1-tp6636813p6638375.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:22 AM, bob finger fin...@goeaston.net wrote: Listening to the ST0R operation on many bands has been interesting to say the least... === There's a pattern that recurs whenever a new, highly desirable one goes on the air. The first day or two, there's a large contingent who call on the DX frequency. These attract an equally large contingent of up-cops who drive everyone crazy. This leads to long profane name-calling exchanges on the DX frequency, and frustrated guys deliberately jamming the DX. It's worst on CW, but phone is similar. While all this is going on, it's hard to work the new one because he's frequently covered up by all this nonsense, and of course the pileups are at their max size as well. However, a well-placed call as Bob describes may well snag him anyway. Then after a day or so, the wackos get tired of it and go away, and the pileups are more orderly, and they get smaller as time goes on. An op who listens may get him without a lot of pain. (However, ST0R has had one unusual quality. The phone pileups were so wide (up to 15 khz) and so deep for several days that the ops were spinning their receiver dial between QSOs. Finding the last station worked didn't help, because the next one was up to 10 khz away. By now, the ST0R piles are down to normal size.) This DXpedition has provided a clue as to how many DXers there are in the world. So far, they've made QSOs with about 17,000 hams. Since everyone needed them, presumably when they leave South Sudan, we'll have a rough count of how many guys in the world wanted a new country enough to work them. It was pretty chaotic at the beginning when all 17,000 were trying to cram their call into the same little space of bandwidth. Good DX, Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
Config/Cop/slap 73 Rich NU6T On 7/31/2011 5:36 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I don't see the problem, there is a large boxed indicator on the display telling you the K3 is in SPLIT. Just take a quick look at the display when changing bands. Of course, I know there are some who would like an automated hand to slap us on the forehead and say in a loud voice Dummy, you are in split. The implementation of that device is left to the user. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 7:43 AM, N3XX wrote: Calling on ST0R's freq happened to me a few times. Every time I would go and check another band, then come back to the original band where I had been calling, my split would be gone. I forgot to reset to split, and then would be calling on the wrong freq. Found that I had to go into the CONFIG / SPLT SV menu and set it to YES, then split would be saved. Of course now that I have it set this way, I will have to be careful when I qsy to a new band that split is not set when I don't want to be operating split. 73, Tim - N3XX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Mark Stennett wrote: You can do this with RIT/XIT also but not as elegantly as with a second receiver running in split. For the sake of those who don't understand that method… obviously, with one VFO and no split, we have no choice but to use RIT with the KX1. I tune through the pile-up with RIT off, listening for where others are making contact with the DX, noting any trend in changes to that. I stop where I want to transmit, engage RIT and tune to the DX transmit frequency. When the time comes, I PLaY memory 2, my call sign a couple of times, and listen for my call sign to be returned. If he calls someone else, I repeat the process (RIT off, etc), finding where he was listening last again. When RIT is on, the decimal point on the frequency display flashes as a reminder. The main problem with using RIT is that if I change my transmit frequency, I have to readjust RIT to get back on the DX transmit frequency, since RIT is an offset of the transmit frequency. That's not necessary when using two VFOs split. You can elegantly adjust one without affecting the other. Not having anything to do with this subject, memory 1 on my KX1 is a 3x2 CQ and rePeat (hold PLaY) is set to a minimum of 15 seconds. I hope this helps someone. -- Moe - AB8XA Elecraft KX1 #2484, Fists #13020, SKCC #7460, FPQRP #2617, NAQCC #5352, QRP-ARCI #14326 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
The first thing you need to do is live three or four skip zones closer to the DX so that you can say, Worked ST0R on the first call on six-meters using my wet string dipole and my K3 dialed down to only 10 watts...don't know why the rest of you are having so much trouble. Absent that, what you understand is true. However, the second most important thing to do is NOT to automatically transmit 2.4 KHz up, unless you're in the one hop zone, because every other guy, except me, is also transmitting 2.4 KHz up. Disconnect yourself from the spotting network and listen. I'm like you and don't have a second receiver. I do have an SDR-IQ and can see the pileup, but this is an aid, not a necessity. Here is my technique: True Split operation: (I only use this method if the split is greater than 10 KHz, otherwise I use the XIT/RIT method I'll describe later.) Tune in the DX using VFO A. How strong is he? If he's S3 here in AZ and the guys spotting him are saying he's S9+ in NY, I'm probably going to do something else for awhile. But let's say that he's strong enough to be workable. [Lock] the dial and do an A/B swap. Now you can use the main tuning knob to find the pileup and get the flavor of what the competition is doing. If you listen and determine that the stations working him really are all doing it up 2.4 KHz, then you know he's not tuning between Qs and you are going to have to rely on timing and/or being louder than everyone else. Do another A/B swap and start calling. Otherwise, continue to listen to the pile, trying to find the guys that are giving him a report. You can generally tell when he's transmitting because the pile will die down, except for the guys who won't be working him because they are calling when he is transmitting. See if you can deduce a pattern in where he is listening. Sometimes there simply isn't one and/or propagation is such that you really can't hear many or any stations working him. You're going to have to pick a spot and rely on timing, propagation, luck or the (yuck) spotting network. Do an A/B swap so you hear the DX on A and have at it. In the case where he is clearly changing his listen frequency from time to time you need to anticipate where he will listen next. For this you need to try to hear the last guy he worked. If you are back to listening on A, the [REV] button becomes your friend. On a good day, I can press the [REV] button with a finger and tune the VFO with my thumb, but you might have to make this a two-handed operation. Regardless of how you do it, [REV] temporarily allows you to listen to and change if necessary, what will be your TX frequency. Alternative XIT/RIT method: If the split is less than 10 KHz than I personally far prefer to use the XIT and RIT controls. As before, tune in the DX and [Lock] the VFO, make sure [Split] is off. Everything else about listening, anticipating, timing, etc, remains the same. Now to listen to the pile and set a TX frequency, turn on (tap) both RIT and XIT. The RIT/XIT control knob is now the tuning knob. As you turn it, you are listening on what will be your TX frequency, the B display will momentarily show the offset and the A display will show the actual frequency. When you have picked a TX freq, tap the RIT button and you are back to listening to the DX and when you transmit it will be at the offset frequency. If you fail to be heard, you can either sit tight or if you choose to find the station that's working him you can tap RIT and tune for him. Tap RIT again and you're back to listening to the DX. I find it easier to do this with the RIT button and knob next to each other that trying to hold the REV button while tuning the VFO knob. Regardless of technique, listen, listen, listen. He can't hear you when he's transmitting, he won't answer you if he's calling for sevens and you're an eight. If he is on 14.195 and as one DXpedition op said, Listening up five to ten... and... 14.190, then you really want to, as I did, call him on 14.190, while everyone else is calling up five to ten. N7WS --- On Sun, 7/31/11, gold...@charter.net gold...@charter.net wrote: I dont have the two receivers so that is the first thing that puts me at a disadvantage. However, when someone is spotted and they say for example 2.4 UP, I assume that means something split. So if I listen on VFO A that would be their transmitt frq and I would transmitt on VFO B up 2.4 khz or do I have it backwards? Thanks ~73 Don KD8NNU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
Gerald, it seems that most DX uses split when it generates a pileup. That allows the calling stations to hear the DX stations even when some continue calling after DX station comes back to someone. In a perfect world everyone would listen before transmitting, but we are far from perfect. Besides, skip conditions on the most popular DX bands often prevent the calling stations from hearing each other. The amount of split is not fixed, but most stations listen up from their transmitting frequency. The split is typically about 2 kHz on CW. (I can't speak for other modes.) Some stations try to locate the station the DX is currently working and tail end with their call when they sign. Others shift up or down a few hundred Hz from the frequency the DX was last listening on, looking for a possible quiet spot the DX station might tune to and notice them. I very seldom call DX if there's a pileup and never call CQ DX. However, it's not unusual to have DX reply to my CQ right on my frequency, sometimes resulting in a rag-chew. As we are chatting we'll eventually start to hear blips and beeps of people tapping their keys on the frequency or someone just sends BK BK BK BK as if the DX station isn't allowed to do anything but run exchanges for their log books. As soon as we recognize a breaking station there is often a huge pileup calling the DX right on top of our frequency. I haven't a clue as to how the DX station shifts that one-frequency pile-up to a split frequency arrangement, if he/she ever does. As soon as we sign I'm spinning the dial to get away from the mayhem, Hi! Ron AC7AC -Original Message- When I chased DX there was no split, we conserved bandwidth. Is there somewhere to see the split freq? Is it what the op wants? Is it limited to cw or ssb? Can someone explain it to me, I'm sure their are others wondering too. Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Connecting Encoder/Decoder to K3
Has anyone connected a Communications Specialist TE-32 type CTCSS Encoder to the K3 with the 2m option? If so, how was it connected, i.e. into the circuitry as well as any necessary modifications. Dick Diddams - W7QHE dickdiddams at earthlink dot net K2, K3 and P3 owner __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Connecting Encoder/Decoder to K3
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Richard L Diddams dickdidd...@earthlink.net wrote: Has anyone connected a Communications Specialist TE-32 type CTCSS Encoder to the K3 with the 2m option? Why would you want to do that?!? The K3 has tone encode built in! See page 29 of the Owner's Manual. ~iain / N6ML __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Connecting Encoder/Decoder to K3
It's found on page 27 of some (earlier ?) manuals. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
...When I chased DX there was no split, we conserved bandwidth == This is a strange statement. I was licensed in 1958, and soon got interested in DX. In those days the DX columns of CQ and QST were filled with anguished pleas for stations to work split and never transmit on the DX frequency. This is still the case today -- recent columns in both magazines sound just like those from 1958 -- and always has been as far as I know. My Elmers, W0AJU and W0QDF, were honor roll DXers who tried to teach me the ropes. I once got a terse phone-call from one of them when I inadvertently called on the DX frequency. (Even today I never transmit with VFO A. When working simplex I just set AB. I'm always in split mode.) Of course, in those days there were no transceivers, so tuning Rx and Tx independently was part of normal operation. Everybody knew how to do it, or they didn't operate. Now the simple act of tuning your radio seems to be a mystery. I guess that if you don't use CW and you operate phone simplex you can work some DX, but the rare ones will remain beyond your reach. It ain't hard. As one poster observed, the K3 makes it as easy as any radio can make it. The Yaesu FT1000 radios were designed explicitly for split operation, and they revolutionized DXing. The K3 has the same setup, but improved with a better main and much better 2nd receiver, better control of what you hear in the headphones, etc. If you don't know how to receive on one frequency and transmit on another, spend some time learning how. Only then can you really appreciate what your K3 is, and why. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe
Hello, I have the K3 connected to N1MM and working without problem. I have WKUSB to COM7 and RS232 to USB cable (that I bought at Elecraft when I bought the K3) connected to COM8 at 38400 bps Now I installed HRD, open it and selected Elecraft K3 in COM8 and 38400 and I have this error K3, COM8, 38400 denied access Make sure your radio is switched on and not in memory mode If you are using a homemade/non-standard cable you may need to select RTS and/or DTR Any idea what´s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W K3 #4077 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
I normally operate my K2 and K3 exactly like I operated my separate transmitter and receiver pair in the past. I tune the RX to the frequency on which I plan to transmit. Zero beat with the TX, and transmit. With modern transceivers like the Elecraft rigs it's much, much faster and easier than with a separate TX/RX. I run in SPLIT all the time. When I'm receiving on the frequency on which I want to transmit I tap A=B (on the K2) or AB (on the K3) to instantly zero beat the transmitter to the rx frequency. Now I can continue to tune around using the comfortable VFO A knob without disturbing my transmit frequency. A nice feature we didn't have on the separate tx/rx pair is that we can press REV to peek at our transmit frequency at any time and then instantly return to the selected receive frequency. So there's even less excuse for not checking the xmit frequency before actually transmitting than we had years ago, Hi! 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- ...Of course, in those days there were no transceivers, so tuning Rx and Tx independently was part of normal operation. Everybody knew how to do it, or they didn't operate... Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe
Thanks Jack, I quit N1MM and HRD Works. So I cannot use both at the same time? 73, Jorge CX6VM -Mensaje original- De: Jack Colson [mailto:jcols...@tampabay.rr.com] Enviado el: Domingo, 31 de Julio de 2011 07:04 p.m. Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe I am under the opinion you may only have ONE interface open at a time between the computer and the K3. I have done the same thing and get the same message. I have even tried the K3 Utility and it will not function if N1MM is connected to the K3. 73, Jack, W3TMZ - Original Message - From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM cx6vm.jo...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:43 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe Hello, I have the K3 connected to N1MM and working without problem. I have WKUSB to COM7 and RS232 to USB cable (that I bought at Elecraft when I bought the K3) connected to COM8 at 38400 bps Now I installed HRD, open it and selected Elecraft K3 in COM8 and 38400 and I have this error K3, COM8, 38400 denied access Make sure your radio is switched on and not in memory mode If you are using a homemade/non-standard cable you may need to select RTS and/or DTR Any idea what´s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W K3 #4077 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3800 - Release Date: 07/31/11 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe
Jorge, Do you have N1MM running when you start HRD? If so, COM8 is already in use by N1MM and HRD cannot use it because N1MM is using the port. Close N1MM and try HRD alone. If you want multiple applications to use the same port that is connected to the K3, you will have to use a software application that provides virtual ports. LP-Bridge is a good example and supports the K3 very well (in fact the K3 is the only radio it virtualizes). It is available from www.telepost.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 5:43 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: Hello, I have the K3 connected to N1MM and working without problem. I have WKUSB to COM7 and RS232 to USB cable (that I bought at Elecraft when I bought the K3) connected to COM8 at 38400 bps Now I installed HRD, open it and selected Elecraft K3 in COM8 and 38400 and I have this error K3, COM8, 38400 denied access Make sure your radio is switched on and not in memory mode If you are using a homemade/non-standard cable you may need to select RTS and/or DTR Any idea what´s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W K3 #4077 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe
So I cannot use both at the same time? No. Windows does not allow two programs to use a single serial port at the same time. That is standard for most operating systems. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/31/2011 6:08 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: Thanks Jack, I quit N1MM and HRD Works. So I cannot use both at the same time? 73, Jorge CX6VM -Mensaje original- De: Jack Colson [mailto:jcols...@tampabay.rr.com] Enviado el: Domingo, 31 de Julio de 2011 07:04 p.m. Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe I am under the opinion you may only have ONE interface open at a time between the computer and the K3. I have done the same thing and get the same message. I have even tried the K3 Utility and it will not function if N1MM is connected to the K3. 73, Jack, W3TMZ - Original Message - From: Jorge Diez - CX6VMcx6vm.jo...@gmail.com To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:43 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe Hello, I have the K3 connected to N1MM and working without problem. I have WKUSB to COM7 and RS232 to USB cable (that I bought at Elecraft when I bought the K3) connected to COM8 at 38400 bps Now I installed HRD, open it and selected Elecraft K3 in COM8 and 38400 and I have this error K3, COM8, 38400 denied access Make sure your radio is switched on and not in memory mode If you are using a homemade/non-standard cable you may need to select RTS and/or DTR Any idea what´s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W K3 #4077 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3800 - Release Date: 07/31/11 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe
I have just been notified that I posted an invalid link - thank you Jim. The correct link is www.telepostinc.com. 73, Don W3FPR Jorge, Do you have N1MM running when you start HRD? If so, COM8 is already in use by N1MM and HRD cannot use it because N1MM is using the port. Close N1MM and try HRD alone. If you want multiple applications to use the same port that is connected to the K3, you will have to use a software application that provides virtual ports. LP-Bridge is a good example and supports the K3 very well (in fact the K3 is the only radio it virtualizes). It is available from www.telepost.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 5:43 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: Hello, I have the K3 connected to N1MM and working without problem. I have WKUSB to COM7 and RS232 to USB cable (that I bought at Elecraft when I bought the K3) connected to COM8 at 38400 bps Now I installed HRD, open it and selected Elecraft K3 in COM8 and 38400 and I have this error K3, COM8, 38400 denied access Make sure your radio is switched on and not in memory mode If you are using a homemade/non-standard cable you may need to select RTS and/or DTR Any idea what´s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W K3 #4077 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
Hi Fred, A watt is a watt. A SS 500 watt sounds just like a tube or other brand SS 500watt on the receive end. The other features are sure nice though on the transmit side. But with that 1500W amp you are running at 500W, you have the power available when you need the little extra push of 1500W. The increase in power does on occasion help for the DX station to hear you over someone else or even just hear you. Sometimes less than an S-unit increase does matter, but not most of the time. 73, N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 6:39 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500 On 7/30/2011 12:58 PM, KD3RF wrote: Worked ST0R on two bands so far, both using the KPA500, SB on 20 mtrs and 15 mtr RTTY. Ran the amp at reduced input on RTTY for 200 watts out, fan didn't even come on. Can someone tell me what I could expect from my KPA500 working the ST0R pileup that I couldn't expect from a Brand X 500W amplifier [or an unbranded 1,500W amp running at 500W]? My K3/KPA500 combo offers me exquisite QSK at any speed, allows me to change bands in an instant, and requires no tuning, all of which are distinct advantages in operating in general. However, none of them seem particularly relevant to the question of working DX in a very rowdy and sometimes obnoxious pileup. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe
thanks Don et all will try it. 73, Jorge -Mensaje original- De: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com] Enviado el: Domingo, 31 de Julio de 2011 08:04 p.m. Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Ham Radio Deluxe I have just been notified that I posted an invalid link - thank you Jim. The correct link is www.telepostinc.com. 73, Don W3FPR Jorge, Do you have N1MM running when you start HRD? If so, COM8 is already in use by N1MM and HRD cannot use it because N1MM is using the port. Close N1MM and try HRD alone. If you want multiple applications to use the same port that is connected to the K3, you will have to use a software application that provides virtual ports. LP-Bridge is a good example and supports the K3 very well (in fact the K3 is the only radio it virtualizes). It is available from www.telepost.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2011 5:43 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: Hello, I have the K3 connected to N1MM and working without problem. I have WKUSB to COM7 and RS232 to USB cable (that I bought at Elecraft when I bought the K3) connected to COM8 at 38400 bps Now I installed HRD, open it and selected Elecraft K3 in COM8 and 38400 and I have this error K3, COM8, 38400 denied access Make sure your radio is switched on and not in memory mode If you are using a homemade/non-standard cable you may need to select RTS and/or DTR Any idea what´s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W K3 #4077 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening
to Don who said I have never understood this whole split operation one of our fellow K3 owners and an old neighbor, Bob W9KNI wrote a book on working DX, In fact it is THE BOOK' on working DX not only does it thoroughly go thru all the variations of working split , it has many if not all the little techniques of working split efficiently if you have not read it , and you want to work DX you have been reading the wrong stuff.check it out http://www.idiompress.com/books-complete-dxer.html I buy worn out copies at hamfests and pass them to friends bill ny9h/3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
Mark, Very good advice. I normally run the bandwidth about 300HZ listening to the DX. But with the other VFO I open up the bandwidth to at least 1KHZ so I can tune around and more easily find the station the DX is working. After the DX works a few stations hopefully I get the feel of his/her pattern. Then I have an educated guess as to where I should transmit to work them quickly - some DX camp on a frequency until it gets too unruly, some go up or down in slight increments, some jump up or down in fixed increments using memory buttons to keep the rate up. Some even say listening up and purposely listen down to manage the pileups. It sure helps to listen first to find the pattern before just sending into the ether. On SSB it is more difficult with typically wider spread of signals. But you can usually find the pattern there too. And the P3 helps with this too to find the station the DX is working if out of your bandwidth. The K3 is very easy to use SPLIT. I have programmed PF1 for SPLIT, same MODE, up 2KHZ. Sure beats the way we used to do it in the day of tube rigs and even some of the newer SS rigs. ST0R - 8 bands so far. 73, N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Stennett Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:14 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R I have used this split technique quite successfully and the K3 makes it a breeze. The first secret is to wear your headphones. Put the K3 in split and you will hear the main receiver in your left ear while the right ear now has the sub receiver. Set up your filters to your liking. Listen on the main receiver and transmit on the sub receiver. Park the main receiver on the DX and lock the dial so you don't accidentally bump it. Slowly tune the sub receiver up the dial from the DX until you start to hear the other stations the DX is working. Determine if there is a pattern by continuing to listen - is the DX working stations further up the dial after each contact? Down the dial? Listening on the same frequency call after call? Read the mail, get familiar with his style. The second secret is timing. To work the DX through the pileup you have to put your signal where the DX is listening at that moment. By figuring out his operating style you have a distinct advantage over most of those ops who are blindly calling. Because of the pileup the DX likely has his receiver running narrow. Zero beat your transmit VFO with the guy he is working and drop your call as soon as he is finished. If the DX is moving up the dial after each contact, move your VFO slightly above that guy and make your call. Try to anticipate where the DX will be listening next. While I have not tried for ST0R yet I have broken through many pileups on my first or second call, using the KPA500, a vertical dipole on CW and this technique. 73 de na6m On 07/31/2011 07:38 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote: Bob, I have never understood this whole split operation setup much less figuring out how to listen to someone working split and doing what you stated below. Would you please try and explain it to me.Others have tried but for some reason i just dont get it, or it wont sink in. I was on the radio yesterday and saw many folks calling ST0R and figured that wont work so well. Thanks ~73 Don KD8NNU On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:22 AM, bob finger wrote: I have been fascinated reading this thread. Listening to the ST0R operation on many bands has been interesting to say the least. You all that complain about the radio not automatically going into split really don't have a clue. The K3 makes working rare dx a relatively simple task, from the radio perspective at least. Antennas help too of course. One of the first rules of chasing dx in a split pile-up is knowing where the dx is listening. You can't learn that if you are not in split before you ever make a call! Listen! Find out how he is operating and where he is listening. Once you know that simple fact getting in the log is pretty easy. 90% of the callers in the ST0R pile are calling blind, and wasting their time and energy. Be one of the 10% that think before transmitting and you will be in the log. The guys at ST0R are super fine ops. Wish I could say the same for everyone calling. I have spent many hours listening to ST0R, have them in the log wherever I wanted and have a TOTAL trasmit time of maybe 5 or 6 minutes. I've been listening for maybe 10 or 12 hours. I used the amp on 20, because that is the band that counts for me. Other band q's were with the k3 barefoot running only about 50 watts. Its a bit more of a challenge that way for me. Okay off soapbox now. 73 bob de w9ge __ Elecraft mailing list Home:
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening
I recall that it was in Bob's first edition of The Complete DXer, that he noted that serious DXers only used separate transmitters and receivers. It was of course written at a time when transceivers were relatively new and wide splits for chasing DX required remote VFOs. Dual receive was still to come. A few years ago I had an occasion to reminded him of his erstwhile pronouncement and was greeted with a knowing shrug and smile. 73 - Steve WB6RSE On Jul 31, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Bill NY9H wrote: one of our fellow K3 owners and an old neighbor, Bob W9KNI wrote a book on working DX, In fact it is THE BOOK' on working DX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net results (7/31/11)
The propagation seemed lukewarm at best. There was no discussion after the check-ins today. We had 21 participants over a 19 minute period. Have a great week. Here is the list of participants. Station NameQTH Rig S/N WB6CLZ MikeCA K3 4522 N7HTS GaryWY K2 6113 KO5YKen NM K3 4442 W0RSR MikeCO K2 5767 AE6IC FredCA K3 2241 W9EJB Ed IN K3 1593 W8OVDaveTX K3 3139 N1OXA IvanME K3 4538 K4GCJ Gerry NC K3 1597 W5ETJ GaryTX K3 3227 AL7CE Terry AK K3 5137 KL7UW Ed AK K3 404315W N7BBS Jim AZ TS570S K5OAI Sam TX K3 4123 W4RKS Jim AL K3 3618 K8DJC Nelson OH K3 560 K8EAG Gil MI Genesis 59 10W AD5SX PaulNM K3 4645 KB1CH PaulNH K3 4882 AC0NM Glenn OR K3 2843 NS7PPhilOR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Bill NY9H n...@arrl.net wrote: ...Bob W9KNI wrote a book on working DX, In fact it is THE BOOK' on working DX...thoroughly go thru all the variations of working split ... == Bob's book even has a long discourse on how to zero-beat the other guy if he is working simplex! Ya know, none of this stuff is hard to learn/figure out. The K3 and P3 were designed explicitly to make proper station operation easy and smooth. Hams today have such sweet tools, and it requires such minimal effort to learn how to use them. Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] HRD N1MM
I have tried both and if I leave the computer alone for a while every thing comes to a halt and I can not work the radio I also have steppIR in the mix. I have to restart the computer to unlock the program no matter if its HRD or N1MM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
Yes, but you don't know beforehand whether you need it or not. One has no info on the strength of other signals at the DX location or whether he suffers from S8 QRN. So WFWL -- Watts first or weep later. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/31/2011 23:06, N2TK, Tony wrote: Hi Fred, A watt is a watt. A SS 500 watt sounds just like a tube or other brand SS 500watt on the receive end. The other features are sure nice though on the transmit side. But with that 1500W amp you are running at 500W, you have the power available when you need the little extra push of 1500W. The increase in power does on occasion help for the DX station to hear you over someone else or even just hear you. Sometimes less than an S-unit increase does matter, but not most of the time. 73, N2TK, Tony - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3800 - Release Date: 07/31/11 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] split pileup and listening was Pileups and KPA500/ST0R
Tony and others have advised... I can tune around and more easily find the station the DX is working. A sterling idea, but when the DX station is on the other side of the world, and hundreds are calling, there's very little chance I can locate the station he/she is working. I have a K3 with the second receiver, and a P3 as well. I've not been able to connect yet, but timing my call appropriately and calling on the 'fringes' of the audible and visible pileup seem to be the best bet for me. 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 1-2, 2011 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] DX on 15 watts
Until I built my K2 (7186) I had no idea that dx on 15 watts was even possible. I have been running QRO for a couple of years and making the contacts, but getting alot of these same contacts (Sweeden, Hungary, Lithuania) on 15 watts with a radio I built is hard to top. Only been running this rig for a week or two now, but am extreamly well pleased with it. Just wanted to share the joy. 73 mike-kb3qja __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] HRD N1MM
Your computer is probably turning off the USB port to save power. You will need to change the power saving settings in both the power control menu and Windows Device Manager. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/31/2011 9:28 PM, Martin Staffa wrote: I have tried both and if I leave the computer alone for a while every thing comes to a halt and I can not work the radio I also have steppIR in the mix. I have to restart the computer to unlock the program no matter if its HRD or N1MM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Pileups and the KPA500
On 7/31/2011 4:06 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: Hi Fred, A watt is a watt. A SS 500 watt sounds just like a tube or other brand SS 500watt on the receive end. The other features are sure nice though on the transmit side. Exactly! But with that 1500W amp you are running at 500W, you have the power available when you need the little extra push of 1500W. The increase in power does on occasion help for the DX station to hear you over someone else or even just hear you. Sometimes less than an S-unit increase does matter, but not most of the time. I began running the 1.5KW amp at 500W several months ago to prepare myself for the KPA500. I didn't notice any operating difference then, and I don't now, except that my KPA500 talks to my K3, either can change bands, there is no tune up, the amp is always on the band I'm about to transmit on and never still on the band I just came from, and everything is full QSK. Honestly, if 1/2 an S-unit is going to make a difference, I really do need to improve my operating skills. They probably represent a 20 dB advantage, or disadvantage in my case. The 1.5KW amp is in my truck awaiting an auspicious moment to drive down to Galt and deliver it to a buddy who is also a buyer. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for July 31st August 1st, 2011
Good Evening, Neither band was as good as it was last week. That is not saying I did not get checkins but they were not as strong. I also got odd weather reports from the South. Triple digit temperatures? Hmmm... must be something in the water. I awoke to a very crisp bedroom since I had left my window open all night. I put on a sweatshirt which I am still wearing. When I walked outside it smelled nice but was not warm. However, propagation was decent if not spectacular. DX award goes to Dave in Connecticut who had some QSB and a 339 signal. On to the lists = On 14049.5 kHz at 2200z: K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422 N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994 W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767 AC5P - Mike - OK - K3 - 2170 K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686 KB3FBR - Joe - PA - K2 - 6178 K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113 W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139 On 7045 kHz at z: N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994 K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642 K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113 AE6IC - Fred - CA - K3 - 2241 K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183 One other person reported a sensible temperature today: Brian down in California mentioned 60 degree weather. Now that is more in keeping with our moderate Oregon weather. He obviously lives in an excellent part of that state :) Dale on the other hand said it was hot. He needs to move closer to Brian to experience true bliss. I never thought to try APF but Brian's and Dave's signal would have given me the best test of it. In fact I required a relay to land Brian on twenty meters. Unknown benefactor I thank you for the assistance. I hope it does cool down for you people in the unblessed part of the US. We in the Pacific Northwest look at the weather map and think travel is out of the question. Maybe when the snow falls on the plains I'll venture eastward. South will have to wait too until I get reports of 50 degree weather which is more in keeping with my high melting point. Until next week stay well and cool if that pleases you, 73, Kevin. KD5ONS (Net Control Operator 5th Class) - __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] DX on 15 watts
On 31 Jul 2011 at 22:07, vicki glover wrote: Until I built my K2 (7186) I had no idea that dx on 15 watts was even possible. I have been running QRO for a couple of years and making the contacts, but getting alot of these same contacts (Sweeden, Hungary, Lithuania) on 15 watts with a radio I built is hard to top. Only been running this rig for a week or two now, but am extreamly well pleased with it. Just wanted to share the joy. 73 mike-kb3qja __ 15 Watts is decidedly QRO, I have never run more than 5 Watts from my K2 in the past 9 years and have 231 DXCC. Last month I worked in the Club 72 Marathon (http://club72.su/marathon.html) with just 1 Watt for most of my QSOs and found stations came back just as easily with that power as they did with 5. Conditions have been pretty dire recently but nevertheless had quite a few nice QSOs including some in PY and LU. Give it a go, you will be surprised. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] WoW QRP
The other night I went out to my truck and turned on my radio. I was listening to a conversation when I heard the operator say that he was located about 200 miles from me and was running qrp at 100 milliwatts. I could not believe that I could hear him as well as I could. Apparently he runs qrp all the time as this was his second conversation with one of the operators in the three way conversation. Made me stop and think what a thrill it would be to operate QRP all the time. I thought that most QRP operators were using CW, but this guy was using voice on 40 meters. There are so many different interest in amateur radio that no one could be bored of trying all the new things. Just wanted to share the story and let the reflector know that I have changed my mind and am looking forward to QRP as well as RTTY and DX. Thanks Gerald Manthey - KC6CNN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WoW-QRP-tp6639917p6639917.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
