Re: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

[N8LP]

Thanks for the update Paul. Waterfall bias is a welcome addition. I have
noticed some unreported bugs in my system...

The baseline of the pan trace and the baseline of the pan window don't align
properly. The difference is about 1/4" on my SVGA monitor with pan/waterfall
split roughly 50/50, but varies as you change span. It also does this on the
P3 monitor, and is even more pronounced at narrow spans. 

My SVGA output does not always come up with the waterfall when I have it set
to. The little monitor initializes properly. Double tapping the Display
button brings the waterfall back on the SVGA output.

Strange slowdowns happen when the span is set near 150kHz, including the
inability of the Utility to properly talk to the SVGA card. I went in
circles trying to update the firmware before I figured this out. The utility
seems to communicate best when span is set to 200kHz. I don't think this is
a regression, but I just noticed the comms part of it.

73,
Larry N8LP






Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote
> 
> P3 Version 1.16, SVGA version 1.04 and P3 Utility version 1.12.4.26 are
> all now available from the Elecraft website.   We are suggesting that
> users update their P3 Utility to the latest version. 
> 
> P3 Utility is available at:
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/P3_Utility_Setup_1_12_4_26.exe
> P3 1.16 and SVGA 1.04:
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/elecraft_software_page.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Paul
> 


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Re: [Elecraft] Moderation

[Adrian]

Well I could be a bit wet, but definitely not a drain.

Adrian

-Original Message-
From: Milt -- N5IA [mailto:n...@zia-connection.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012 3:51 PM
To: Adrian; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Moderation

Adrain,

Don't you understand that it is a LOT farther from VK4 than most other
places.  Just takes time

:-)  :-)

de Milt, N5IA


-Original Message-
From: Adrian
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:54 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Moderation

How many years do you need to be on the list before posts are not moderated,
or am I on the naughty list?



I have posted messages here then have seen several and tens of posts go
through after my post timestamp,

before I finally see mine show up the next day and way out of sequence with
the thread responded too.



Adrian . vk4tux

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Re: [Elecraft] amp

[Igor Sokolov]

I do not want bigger then K3 size of K4 based on the same architecture but 
K4 of the size of K3 based on SDR architecture would be very interesting.
I would strongly consider KPA 1500 if it would be capable of everything that 
Expert 2K-FA can already do plus a bit extra. That is provided the price of 
such an amp is about the same as that of Expert 2K-FA.
Alternatively I would be ready to purchase from Elecraft something like 
Expert 1K-FA (1 Kw amp) that would be similar in features and price but 
would have switching power supply and weight around 10 Kg. This would be 
ideal for DXpeditions.

73, Igor UA9CDC

- Original Message - 
From: "Adrian" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:03 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] amp


>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kevin" 
>>>
>>> There's no good reason for Elecraft to invest the time and money into
>>> manufacturing a 1-1.5K Watt amp.
>>> The market is very small and the competition is fierce, not only from
>>> other SS amp manufacturer's but from those that still sell tube type
>>> amps.
>>
> You must remember you are talking about loyal Elecraft fans who will
> sacrifice whatever it takes to keep the K-Line pure.
>>>
>>> You can't compete on price with the likes of an Ameritron, QRO,
>>> Commander (whenever they decide to resurface) and even Alpha.
>>>
>>> That leaves features and the more features you add, like stupid proofing
>>> a SS amp, and the inevitable built-in "match 1500W to my rain gutters"
>>> tuner, you've lost the price war.
>>>
>>> If you buy an Ameritron AL-1500 with the 8877 Eimac tube, a contest
>>> proven amp with thousands sold and thousands of hours, you can afford to
>>> re-tube it twice and still not hit the magic $6K mark.
>>>
>>> Solid state amps have come a long way but they have a real long way to
>>> go before matching the reliability and price point of a tube amp.
>>>
>>> I'd love Elecraft to prove me wrong but think they'd be better served by
>>> focusing their efforts on the "K4". The barbarians are at the gate
>>> performance wise and I'd really like to shove a stick in some FTDX-5000
>>> owners eyes.
>>
> No keep the K3 updated and improved, it is a great alrounder that doesnt
> break the back or bank balance.
> All K3 owners feel they have the lastest at all times due to Elecrafts
> marvellous hardware and firmware updates available to all.
>>
> If a 6k 1.5kw K1500 is released, there will a cue waiting as per usual 
> with
> Elecraft releases. Present k3 owners, I think would rather see a KPA1500
> for
> their k3, rather than a K4, which will have what else besides size 
> perhaps?
> The K-line is modelled on the size of the K3 so K4 looks very unlikely to
> me.
>
> Adrian ... vk4tux
>>
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[Elecraft] T-Town Twister Special Event Station

[Joel Black]

Whew!  Sorry for the cross-post.

I *really* meant to post this sooner:

The Tuscaloosa Amateur Radio Club (TARC) will be operating a Special 
Event Station in remembrance of the 44 people that died when an EF-4 
tornado struck Tuscaloosa on April 27, 2011.This Special Event Station 
will be active on April 28, 2012 from 11:00AM -- 5:00PM local time (1600 
- 2200Z).Our operating frequencies will be +/- 14.270 and 7.270MHz.We 
will also be operating an RTTY station in the data portion of both the 
20 and 40m bands.

For more information, you can go to www.w4xi.org.

Why am I posting here?  Well, the RTTY station will be my K3 using 
Fldigi. ;)

No need to reply here, just work us.  :)

73,
Joel - W4JBB
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[Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Bill]

I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.

At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that 
I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this 
AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background 
hiss rises.

When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is 
the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on 
both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.

I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However, 
it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable 
level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise - 
daytime level on 75 meters is zero.

Suggestions would be most appreciated.

Bill W2BLC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Don Wilhelm]

Bill,

That is the AGC which makes it sound like that.  Look at my webpage 
article dealing with "Noisy K3" to give you some information about how 
to adjust the AGC parameters to reduce that effect.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 9:00 AM, Bill wrote:
> I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.
>
> At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that
> I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this
> AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background
> hiss rises.
>
> When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is
> the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on
> both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.
>
> I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However,
> it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable
> level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise -
> daytime level on 75 meters is zero.
>
> Suggestions would be most appreciated.
>
> Bill W2BLC
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 OK I have another question.

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

Fred,

Do the "spurs" appear on all bands?

Are the "spurs" still there if you disconnect the antenna from your K3?

When you tune, does the fequency of each spur change by the same amount as 
the change in "zero beat" frequency due to tuning?

If the "spurs" disappear, then their source is outside of the K3 - P3 of 
course.  The answer to my third question would help to determine whether or 
not the "spurs" are being "heard" by a spurious response of the K3's 
receiver, be the source internal or external, and which response.


73,

Geoff
LX2AO


On April 28, 2012 at 04:39 +0200, Fred Jensen wrote:




> Lately, sort of after I calibrated my K3 S-meter with my svc mon and set
> the P3, I'm seeing very large "spurs" I can't tune to ... they move as I
> tune.  I'm pretty sure I don't have the IF mod for the P3.
>
> Anyone know where they're coming from?  When I "calibrated" the P3 to
> the S-meter, I had to run the setting way down to the -20 range.
> Signals all look good, just these big couple of "spurs."
>

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR3 Problem

[Dave wo2x]

I contacted Elecraft and they determined my KDVR3 was bad. A new one was sent
and I installed it yesterday. DVR now working correctly!

Thanks to Elecraft for excellent support.

Dave
wo2x


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[Elecraft] Dayton

[va3bxg]

The. Grand pilgrimage is soon upon us, so a question

Will eric/wayne bring anything to dayton for sale. IE the battery charger for 
the KX3.

Will we be able to pre-order the 100amp brick?

Will there be a hospitality suite/get together for us adventurous souls?


Robert

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Moderation

[WILLIS COOKE]

A factor here is that every message gets a dual posting on Mailman.QTH.net and 
the Yahoo Group.  The message must go first to mailman and be processed then 
back to Yahoo and be processed.  I don't know how long each of these steps take 
but being processed by two services and passing through the internet two times 
is bound to take longer than one pass.  I have been a regular on Elecraft 
reflectors for about 5 years and I have never seen a message held up that looks 
like an approval process.  Some times the message seems to take a while, but 
benign messages seem to have this happen as often as controversial messages.  
Eric does sometimes ask us to curtail a thread, but it seems to me that it is 
always when the thread is getting too long and tedious rather than when the 
discussion is controversial.  I think the delays are just part of the internet, 
and particularly a part of sometimes inadequate server power at Yahoo.  I 
notice the delays on other
 Yahoo services as well.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
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 From: Adrian 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:29 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw:  Moderation
 
Perhaps so, Could be an internet thing, it just seemed like my post was
stuck in a cache until approved.

Adrian ... vk4tux
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: "Adrian" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Moderation
>
>
> I really don't think they do that Adrian.  If they did I'd be on it most 
> of the
> time ;-)
>
> 73,
> Tom
> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
> ARRL Lifetime Member
> QCWA Lifetime Member
>
> "Only the white eyes would believe they could cut the top
> off a blanket, sew it to the bottom and have a longer
> blanket."
> -- American Indian comment about Daylight Saving Time --
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:54:37 +1000, "Adrian"  wrote:
>
>>How many years do you need to be on the list before posts are not 
>>moderated,
>>or am I on the naughty list?
>>
>>
>>
>>I have posted messages here then have seen several and tens of posts go
>>through after my post timestamp,
>>
>>before I finally see mine show up the next day and way out of sequence 
>>with
>>the thread responded too.
>>
>>
>>
>>Adrian . vk4tux
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Moderation

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Every so often most of us notice a huge delay in seeing posts appear. AFAIK
it has nothing to do with it being "approved" but has everything to do with
the flow of messages being handled by several servers that must constantly
update each other with the new messages. A glitch in that updating process
can result in an unusual delay. 

At the other extreme, on rare occasions that updating process duplicates
messages so we see a post appear more than once. 

Ron AC7AC

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Adrian
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:29 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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 Perhaps so, Could be an internet thing, it just seemed like my post was
stuck in a cache until approved.

 Adrian ... vk4tux

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

[Doug Turnbull]

Hi All,
 I am having some difficultly in updating my P3 firmware.P3 Utility
1.12.4.26 is installed but when I check for new Firmware Available I am told
they are: 
MCU 01.13
SVGA 01.02
FPGA0 01.02
FPGA1 01.02
FPGA2 01.02
FPGA3 01.02
FPGA4 01.02
And that these are already installed.Should not the latest P3 utility
automatically tell me of updates available and then allow me to install
them.Any on e have a suggestion?   Thank you.

 73 Doug EI2CN   
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul Saffren N6HZ
Sent: 27 April 2012 23:21
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

P3 Version 1.16, SVGA version 1.04 and P3 Utility version 1.12.4.26 are all
now available from the Elecraft website.   We are suggesting that users
update their P3 Utility to the latest version. 

P3 Utility is available at:
http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/P3_Utility_Setup_1_12_4_26.exe
P3 1.16 and SVGA 1.04:
http://www.elecraft.com/software/elecraft_software_page.htm


MCU 01.16 / 4-27-2012

.   Faster P3 Utility response when no SVGA board is installed
.   Added the menu selection, "MENU : SVGA menu : SVGA FW" to display
the
revision numbers of SVGA firmware and FPGA images.
.   Disabling the SVGA now blanks the external display.
.   The external display waterfall color bias is initialized properly at
power-up.
.   The AVERAGE and MKRA/B parameter adjustment text on the external
display
is removed when the adjustment is exited on the P3.
.   The "VFB" RS-232 command now works with the SVGA display.
.   MKR A and MKR B adjustment text on the external display is still on
after
changing SVGA resolution and after the un-QSY function.
.   The waterfall height adjustment on the external display is
terminated when
pressing a toggle key on the P3.
.   The display frequency is correct when K3 RIT is on after switching
from
tracking to fixed-tune mode.
.   Fixed an intermittent bug in the "#QSY" RS-232 command.
.   VFO B cursor displays correctly when VFO B is on a different band.
.   The auto-baud of the K3 RS-232 port works again.  (It broke in
version
1.06.)

P3SVGA 01.04 / 4-20-2012

.   Added U-shaped bracket style cursors. 
.   Added 4 optional fonts which can be selected within the P3 SVGA
menu. 
.   Numerous screen bug-lets fixed such as thicker separation line
between
waterfall and spectrum, removed dark space on right of waterfall, removed
hanging marker frequency lines, disappearing marker highlight when filter
width was narrow, window formatting etc.
.   Added monochrome waterfall color table. 
.   Spectrum trace no longer resets (sags) when VFO A or B is tuned in
fixed
tune mode.
.   Added waterfall color bias, available in P3 SVGA menu.
.   Top and bottom tick marks now move when tuning VFO A in tracking
mode. 
.   Spectrum/Waterfall screen update speed increased slightly. 
.   Vertical white line center frequency added when in tracking mode. 
.   Transmit cursor now displays 'under' VFO A cursor. 
.   Trace averaging now resets using un-averaged data instead of zero. 
.   Fixed RIT bug where RIT was not being displayed correctly. 
.   Fixed I/Q sync bug that caused high noise to display on spectrum
when span
changed.
.   Fixed jumping 200 Hz VFO A/B cursors in fixed tune mode. 

Known Issues: 
1) When CenterEn is enabled on the P3 in tracking mode and the center
frequency is changed, the SVGA frequency does not stay in sync.  This will
be addressed in a future release. 

2) Several users have seen what appears to be flickering in the waterfall
display.  This is not a bug - Its the normal optical result of scrolling
discrete pixelated data and noise up one line at a time across the whole
waterfall.  It happens on the smaller P3 screen too, but it is not as
evident to your eye due to the smaller size.  The effect can be minimized by
setting averaging to 2 and then enabling waterfall averaging. 

3) 1920x1080 resolution does not correctly sync horizontally on some
monitors.  We are aware of this problem and are seeking a solution.  In the
meantime we suggest using 1440x900 resolution. 

73, 

Paul



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 (was: amp)

[Vic K2VCO]

At some point there will need to be a K4. I'm sure that Elecraft will keep 
improving the
K3 with firmware and hardware upgrades for some time, but one day there will be 
enough
improvements possible with newer technology and new ideas that a complete 
redesign will be 
the best way to incorporate them.

After all, the competition doesn't sit still.

On 4/27/2012 10:03 PM, Adrian wrote:

> No keep the K3 updated and improved, it is a great alrounder that doesnt 
> break the back
> or bank balance. All K3 owners feel they have the lastest at all times due to
> Elecrafts marvellous hardware and firmware updates available to all.
>
> If a 6k 1.5kw K1500 is released, there will a cue waiting as per usual with 
> Elecraft
> releases. Present k3 owners, I think would rather see a KPA1500 for their k3, 
> rather
> than a K4, which will have what else besides size perhaps? The K-line is 
> modelled on
> the size of the K3 so K4 looks very unlikely to me.
>
> Adrian ... vk4tux


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ANT 1-2 isolation

[Mark - G4AXX]

The isolation between ANT 1 and ANT 2 varies from -76dB at 1.8MHz to -46dB at
50MHz. 
This is measured with a signal generator, using the K3 S-meter, with ANT 2,
AUX RF and RX ANT IN terminated in 50 Ohms.

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7509068/ANT1-2_leakage.jpg 

The isolation between AUX RF and ANT 1/2 is >95dB (1-30MHz), rising to -70dB
(52MHz). 
This was measured with an N2PK VNA.

I have tried to dress the unscreened wires from ANT 1 & 2 to the ATU in a
way to minimise coupling, but the coupling is dominated by the capacitance
of relays K18 & K19.  

Using ANT1/2 for Diversity reception means the receivers are never truly
independent. There is likely to be more coupling inside the K3 than can
usually be achieved by physical separation of the antennas.

Operating Diversity reception with the SUB RX fed from the AUX RF BNC input
is the way to go.

73 Mark G4AXX


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Re: [Elecraft] Moderation

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

Hi Adrian,

In general we do not moderate every posting to the Elecraft list for content.  
We simply do not have time. Also, new subscribers to the list are not 
automatically moderated. 

The Elecraft list server (which is provided by qth.net, not Elecraft) will 
occasionally hold a posting when it comes from an unsubscribed email address or 
contains swear words, is obviously spam etc. We also will put a specific email 
address in 'moderate' mode when we see that it has been hijacked by a spammer 
who is posting to the list.

In these cases the emails are saved by the server for review and we try to 
check that group daily during the business week. Almost 99% of these are spam.  
If a posting is from an email address that is subscribed to the list and it is 
not spam etc, it gets passed through. Spam, postings from emails addresses that 
do not exactly match the subscriber list etc are usually rejected.

One common mistake subscribers make is to subscribe from one email address or 
alias and then post from another with a from: address that does not match their 
list sub address. Those will get bounced by the server as we get hit by 
hundreds of unsubscribed addresses with spam daily.

Most of our moderation comes from posts I make here gently suggesting that 
threads end etc.

73,
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On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:54 PM, "Adrian"  wrote:

> How many years do you need to be on the list before posts are not moderated,
> or am I on the naughty list?
> 
> 
> 
> I have posted messages here then have seen several and tens of posts go
> through after my post timestamp,
> 
> before I finally see mine show up the next day and way out of sequence with
> the thread responded too.
> 
> 
> 
> Adrian . vk4tux
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Vic K2VCO]

Following my previous message, I thought I would speculate on what a K4 might 
be, despite 
my complete lack of inside information.

Elecraft understands their market and I think they will keep more or less the 
same 
physical size and price point as the K3. I also suspect that Wayne will never 
design 
something that is big and heavy or consumes a lot of power. Any Elecraft 
transceiver has 
to be at home in the field as well as in a fixed station.

I expect that a K4 would have the same general architecture as the K3, but 
might include 
some higher-performance pieces such as a better first mixer or an ADC converter 
that can 
handle stronger signals. Alternatively it might even be a 'pure' SDR if it's 
possible to 
get the performance that way. The main CPU and DSP units will be certainly be 
more powerful.

There will be changes in the user interface. I am not sure how Wayne will do 
it, but the 
market wants dedicated band buttons. Maybe it will end up just a little bigger 
than the K3.

I think we are talking evolution rather than revolution. Maybe they will take a 
page from 
Apple and call it the K3s instead of K4!

Again, I have absolutely no inside information, just thinking out loud.

On 4/28/2012 8:11 AM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
> At some point there will need to be a K4. I'm sure that Elecraft will keep 
> improving the
> K3 with firmware and hardware upgrades for some time, but one day there will 
> be enough
> improvements possible with newer technology and new ideas that a complete 
> redesign will be
> the best way to incorporate them.
>
> After all, the competition doesn't sit still.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ANT 1-2 isolation

[Mark n2qt]

with isolation numbers like this perhaps there is hope for
duplex mode, with transmitting on one band with the
subrx enabled and listening on another??

Hopefully!

Mark n2qt


-Original Message- 
From: Mark - G4AXX
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:27 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 ANT 1-2 isolation

The isolation between ANT 1 and ANT 2 varies from -76dB at 1.8MHz to -46dB 
at
50MHz.
This is measured with a signal generator, using the K3 S-meter, with ANT 2,
AUX RF and RX ANT IN terminated in 50 Ohms.

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7509068/ANT1-2_leakage.jpg

The isolation between AUX RF and ANT 1/2 is >95dB (1-30MHz), rising to -70dB
(52MHz).
This was measured with an N2PK VNA.

I have tried to dress the unscreened wires from ANT 1 & 2 to the ATU in a
way to minimise coupling, but the coupling is dominated by the capacitance
of relays K18 & K19.

Using ANT1/2 for Diversity reception means the receivers are never truly
independent. There is likely to be more coupling inside the K3 than can
usually be achieved by physical separation of the antennas.

Operating Diversity reception with the SUB RX fed from the AUX RF BNC input
is the way to go.

73 Mark G4AXX


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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Moderation

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

This official Elecraft list is totally independent of and not connected to the 
Yahoo groups. Postings are not linked. The Yahoo K3 and KX3 groups were set up 
by others and are not moderated by us. 

This list is the primary focus for Elecraft information and discussion. We do 
try to read the other lists when we have time, but do not do so nearly as often 
as we read and respond to postings on this list.

73,
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On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:49 AM, WILLIS COOKE  wrote:

> A factor here is that every message gets a dual posting on Mailman.QTH.net 
> and the Yahoo Group.  The message must go first to mailman and be processed 
> then back to Yahoo and be processed.  I don't know how long each of these 
> steps take but being processed by two services and passing through the 
> internet two times is bound to take longer than one pass.  I have been a 
> regular on Elecraft reflectors for about 5 years and I have never seen a 
> message held up that looks like an approval process.  Some times the message 
> seems to take a while, but benign messages seem to have this happen as often 
> as controversial messages.  Eric does sometimes ask us to curtail a thread, 
> but it seems to me that it is always when the thread is getting too long and 
> tedious rather than when the discussion is controversial.  I think the delays 
> are just part of the internet, and particularly a part of sometimes 
> inadequate server power at Yahoo.  I notice the delays on other
> Yahoo services as well.
>  
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
> 
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[Elecraft] Kit Shipping Schedule Theory

[AB5N]

Greetings-

Wow, there's almost no info available on KX-3 production. If I had to
theorize:

I imagine that the original board problem was corrected, but that there were
several 
other small - mostly software- problems to work out. Being that assembled
units are being shipped, 
the board supplier must have delivered working boards. The DSP chip was
delayed in showing up
but certainly adequate supplies of it are now available. Of all existing
orders, 2/3rds are kit orders.

The questions facing Eric and Wayne must be: How many people do we add/train
to fulfill KX-3 orders
and what else can we use them on -when KX-3 orders taper down? When do we
feel that enough of the
bugs have been worked-out of the KX-3 assembly and firmware so we can start
shipping? 
Assembled rigs bring in $100 more (and orders for them keep coming in). The
kits are actually
more difficult to put together (all boards must be hand-checked and packed)
It's hard to make it top 
priority to ship kits out. Plus, there will be user assembly questions which
will drain employee time once 
they start shipping kits.
Then there is Dayton coming up... more distractions and man-hours. 

If I was them, I'd fill ALL factory-assembled unit orders before shipping
any kits. It's common business sense. 
They are now 3/4 through all factory-assembled orders as-per Tom's list. At
present rates, that puts kit shipping starting after Dayton some time. It
/might even be/ their goal to ship the remaining assembled units before
Dayton. Being Dayton sucks a wide-week out of the schedule, I'd look for
kits to start shipping at the end of May. I hope so- as there will be
another bevy of orders after Dayton!

Hows that for conjecture?!

Bob-AB5N 

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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net announcement

[Phillip Shepard]

The weekly Elecraft SSB net will meet tomorrow (4/29/12) at 1800Z on 14.3035
MHz +/- QRM. I will be the net control station from Oregon.  See you there.

73,

Phil, NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

[W5RDW]

"Spectrum trace no longer resets (sags) when VFO A or B is tuned in fixed
tune mode."

This is a BIG improvement. Many thanks on this one.

-
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Re: [Elecraft] Kit Shipping Schedule Theory

[Rob May]

As far as the spreadsheet goes, it's heavily biased towards those who ordered 
early.  There is no way that they are 3/4 of the way through delivering factory 
built K3's.  They are not even up to 45 minutes after ordering started.  No 
units were shipped this past week as far as I can tell.  No one has updated the 
spreadsheet to show that they've received shipping notice from Elecraft in over 
a week.  I don't think Elecraft is shipping factory kits first because they 
make $100 more dollars, that's a nominal amount for the amount of tech time to 
assemble them.  I think they just need to get the kinks out of the kitting 
process and make sure they have a clear manual that the average ham can follow.
 
I don't know what the most recent delay is, but I hope it's resolved soon 
because I'm the next one on the factory built list! :)  Meanwhile, having fun 
playing with the batteries, case, antennas I've ordered to go with the KX3.
Rob
NV5E


> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:06:52 -0700
> From: 7000...@gmail.com
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Kit Shipping Schedule Theory
>
> Greetings-
>
> Wow, there's almost no info available on KX-3 production. If I had to
> theorize:
>
> I imagine that the original board problem was corrected, but that there were
> several
> other small - mostly software- problems to work out. Being that assembled
> units are being shipped,
> the board supplier must have delivered working boards. The DSP chip was
> delayed in showing up
> but certainly adequate supplies of it are now available. Of all existing
> orders, 2/3rds are kit orders.
>
> The questions facing Eric and Wayne must be: How many people do we add/train
> to fulfill KX-3 orders
> and what else can we use them on -when KX-3 orders taper down? When do we
> feel that enough of the
> bugs have been worked-out of the KX-3 assembly and firmware so we can start
> shipping?
> Assembled rigs bring in $100 more (and orders for them keep coming in). The
> kits are actually
> more difficult to put together (all boards must be hand-checked and packed)
> It's hard to make it top
> priority to ship kits out. Plus, there will be user assembly questions which
> will drain employee time once
> they start shipping kits.
> Then there is Dayton coming up... more distractions and man-hours.
>
> If I was them, I'd fill ALL factory-assembled unit orders before shipping
> any kits. It's common business sense.
> They are now 3/4 through all factory-assembled orders as-per Tom's list. At
> present rates, that puts kit shipping starting after Dayton some time. It
> /might even be/ their goal to ship the remaining assembled units before
> Dayton. Being Dayton sucks a wide-week out of the schedule, I'd look for
> kits to start shipping at the end of May. I hope so- as there will be
> another bevy of orders after Dayton!
>
> Hows that for conjecture?!
>
> Bob-AB5N
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UK_EUlocal net

[Tony Read]

Dear all is there a eu/Uk Elecraft net. If so what the time and QRG please 
Thanks 
Tony G0GMS 



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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Moderation

[Dave KQ3T]

And (at least it seems to me) every now and then I'll see the reply 
before I see the original message. :)

73
Dave KQ3T

On 4/28/2012 11:00 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Every so often most of us notice a huge delay in seeing posts appear. AFAIK
> it has nothing to do with it being "approved" but has everything to do with
> the flow of messages being handled by several servers that must constantly
> update each other with the new messages. A glitch in that updating process
> can result in an unusual delay.
>
> At the other extreme, on rare occasions that updating process duplicates
> messages so we see a post appear more than once.
>
> Ron AC7AC
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Kit Shipping Schedule Theory

[Earlve7qj]

Im thinking your assessment is very accurate.  So it just means that it sucks 
to be me and anyone else waiting for kits Damn, would have been nice to 
have the kx3 before i went to dayton... Oh well, ill just have to wait like 
everyone else.

73 de  VE7QJ

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On 2012-04-28, at 9:06 AM, AB5N <7000...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings-
> 
> Wow, there's almost no info available on KX-3 production. If I had to
> theorize:
> 
> I imagine that the original board problem was corrected, but that there were
> several 
> other small - mostly software- problems to work out. Being that assembled
> units are being shipped, 
> the board supplier must have delivered working boards. The DSP chip was
> delayed in showing up
> but certainly adequate supplies of it are now available. Of all existing
> orders, 2/3rds are kit orders.
> 
> The questions facing Eric and Wayne must be: How many people do we add/train
> to fulfill KX-3 orders
> and what else can we use them on -when KX-3 orders taper down? When do we
> feel that enough of the
> bugs have been worked-out of the KX-3 assembly and firmware so we can start
> shipping? 
> Assembled rigs bring in $100 more (and orders for them keep coming in). The
> kits are actually
> more difficult to put together (all boards must be hand-checked and packed)
> It's hard to make it top 
> priority to ship kits out. Plus, there will be user assembly questions which
> will drain employee time once 
> they start shipping kits.
> Then there is Dayton coming up... more distractions and man-hours. 
> 
> If I was them, I'd fill ALL factory-assembled unit orders before shipping
> any kits. It's common business sense. 
> They are now 3/4 through all factory-assembled orders as-per Tom's list. At
> present rates, that puts kit shipping starting after Dayton some time. It
> /might even be/ their goal to ship the remaining assembled units before
> Dayton. Being Dayton sucks a wide-week out of the schedule, I'd look for
> kits to start shipping at the end of May. I hope so- as there will be
> another bevy of orders after Dayton!
> 
> Hows that for conjecture?!
> 
> Bob-AB5N 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

[Tobyp]

Also the vertical cursor does not disappear when the BW is narrowed down to
50 hz when on cw mode.  I appreciate that improvement. 

Font size set to number 2 looks very nice. 

Nice to have more improvements.thanks guys!

Toby  W4CAK

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Moderation

[WILLIS COOKE]

That is news to me, but I'm confident that Eric knows.  I suppose that I have 
believed that Yahoo Groups was involved because the Elecraft messages come to 
me the same way that Yahoo Groups do and the Yahoo server slowing down affects 
me because I use Yahoo for an email server.  Those of you who use other servers 
are subject to the limitations of your email server instead of Yahoo.  I am not 
subscribed to the K3 and KX3 Yahoo Groups because I get plenty of email as it 
is.  I do not suspect Eric or anyone else of moderating my email, but in a 
recent episode of email help from Lagos I would not have objected if someone 
had intercepted his plea for funds.  
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart



 From: Eric Swartz  WA6HHQ - Elecraft 
To: WILLIS COOKE  
Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw:  Moderation
 
This official Elecraft list is totally independent of and not connected to the 
Yahoo groups. Postings are not linked. The Yahoo K3 and KX3 groups were set up 
by others and are not moderated by us. 

This list is the primary focus for Elecraft information and discussion. We do 
try to read the other lists when we have time, but do not do so nearly as often 
as we read and respond to postings on this list.

73,
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On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:49 AM, WILLIS COOKE  wrote:

> A factor here is that every message gets a dual posting on Mailman.QTH.net 
> and the Yahoo Group.  The message must go first to mailman and be processed 
> then back to Yahoo and be processed.  I don't know how long each of these 
> steps take but being processed by two services and passing through the 
> internet two times is bound to take longer than one pass.  I have been a 
> regular on Elecraft reflectors for about 5 years and I have never seen a 
> message held up that looks like an approval process.  Some times the message 
> seems to take a while, but benign messages seem to have this happen as often 
> as controversial messages.  Eric does sometimes ask us to curtail a thread, 
> but it seems to me that it is always when the thread is getting too long and 
> tedious rather than when the discussion is controversial.  I think the delays 
> are just part of the internet, and particularly a part of sometimes 
> inadequate server power at Yahoo.  I notice the delays on other
> Yahoo services as well.
>  
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Moderation

[Phil Hystad]

As far as I know, and I could be wrong since I have not researched this 
recently, Yahoo does not allow that kind of post.

If Elecraft had a Yahoo group account then all of those posts would be under 
the login name of Elecraft and not the individual members who posted to 
Elecraft.   Thus, all of the Elecraft message posts would be coming from one 
login account name and that would really mess things up.  Also, if this feature 
were supported, it would allow Elecraft members to implicitly post to the Yahoo 
news group (possibly without their knowledge or approval) without having been 
registered to that newsgroup.  This is another faulty feature if Yahoo allowed 
it.


73, phil, K7PEH


On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:39 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:

> That is news to me, but I'm confident that Eric knows.  I suppose that I have 
> believed that Yahoo Groups was involved because the Elecraft messages come to 
> me the same way that Yahoo Groups do and the Yahoo server slowing down 
> affects me because I use Yahoo for an email server.  Those of you who use 
> other servers are subject to the limitations of your email server instead of 
> Yahoo.  I am not subscribed to the K3 and KX3 Yahoo Groups because I get 
> plenty of email as it is.  I do not suspect Eric or anyone else of moderating 
> my email, but in a recent episode of email help from Lagos I would not have 
> objected if someone had intercepted his plea for funds.  
>  
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
> 
> 
> 
> From: Eric Swartz  WA6HHQ - Elecraft 
> To: WILLIS COOKE  
> Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw:  Moderation
> 
> This official Elecraft list is totally independent of and not connected to 
> the Yahoo groups. Postings are not linked. The Yahoo K3 and KX3 groups were 
> set up by others and are not moderated by us. 
> 
> This list is the primary focus for Elecraft information and discussion. We do 
> try to read the other lists when we have time, but do not do so nearly as 
> often as we read and respond to postings on this list.
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> Elecraft list moderator etc.
> www.elecraft.com
> _..._
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:49 AM, WILLIS COOKE  wrote:
> 
>> A factor here is that every message gets a dual posting on Mailman.QTH.net 
>> and the Yahoo Group.  The message must go first to mailman and be processed 
>> then back to Yahoo and be processed.  I don't know how long each of these 
>> steps take but being processed by two services and passing through the 
>> internet two times is bound to take longer than one pass.  I have been a 
>> regular on Elecraft reflectors for about 5 years and I have never seen a 
>> message held up that looks like an approval process.  Some times the message 
>> seems to take a while, but benign messages seem to have this happen as often 
>> as controversial messages.  Eric does sometimes ask us to curtail a thread, 
>> but it seems to me that it is always when the thread is getting too long and 
>> tedious rather than when the discussion is controversial.  I think the 
>> delays are just part of the internet, and particularly a part of sometimes 
>> inadequate server power at Yahoo.  I notice the delays on other
>> Yahoo services as well.
>>   
>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[hawley, charles j jr]

I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu 990. 
Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood?

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Bill"  wrote:

> I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.
> 
> At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that 
> I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this 
> AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background 
> hiss rises.
> 
> When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is 
> the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on 
> both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.
> 
> I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However, 
> it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable 
> level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise - 
> daytime level on 75 meters is zero.
> 
> Suggestions would be most appreciated.
> 
> Bill W2BLC
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[Elecraft] D-Star

[Adrian]

Thanks Eric, A concise response from you as always. Now to change subject I
saw your callsign on a Californian D-Star server log some time back, and it
was evident that you have used the mode. I was big on it a few years back
and I still have all the gear. However my participation on D-Star waned with
my HF interest, and especially the K3 coming along.

My question is; Has Elecraft ever entertained the idea of incorporation of
DV mode in any of their 2m - 70cm gear?
The ambe chip is proprietary codec, but that utilised any manufacturer could
provide a module to provide for the mode?

Adrian ... vk4tux


Most of our moderation comes from posts I make here gently suggesting that
threads end etc.

73,
Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 not loading MCU 4.48

[VE3WDM]

I would like to thank everyone for their input and I have found pressing
"copy files from Elecraft" did the trick (thanks Dick K6KR for the info) My
problem was I had just updated my P3 and it does not have this button in the
P3 Utility. You are just give the option of "Check version now" push button
and all worked well doing that so I just tried the same in the K3 Utility.  
Thanks again for all your input. 
Mike
VE3WDM

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[Elecraft] K2 battery voltage

[Mike Weir]

Good afternoon all, I have the battery from Elecraft for my K2 and I charged it 
for 16 hours using my Aston RS20M. The voltage reading from the Astron supply 
using my Fluke 179 was 13.78 volts and the K2 was reading 13.3 volts. My 
question is after the 16 hours of charging with the Astron power supply removed 
from the K2 my voltage reading on the K2 is 12.1 volts and .042ma's. Is this 
voltage within spec's for the K2's battery after a 16 hour charge?
Mike
VE3WDM
  
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Re: [Elecraft] A Success Story

[Gary Hinson]

> Elecraft makes very few mistakes in the first place but when they do the
> response is cheerful, immediate and always helpful.  

OK so where are the firmware fixes for the K3's CW-in-SSB QSK bug, and the
CW-during-PTT-release bug?   Not exactly an "immediate" response ...

73
Gary ZL2iFB

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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Edward R. Cole]

When I bought my K3/10 (w/sub-Rx) at near $3K I promised my wife this 
was "the last radio I would buy in my life"!  So, OK, I lied (fibbed 
is nicer) and bought a KX3.  But my intention is still the same: the 
K3 promised non-obsolescence since it was a SDR in its 
heart.  Elecraft has more than met the challenge with a solid stream 
of firmware upgrades/improvements.

I am aware that hardware will continue to evolve and in time some of 
the components of the K3 will become "old stuff".  But I am hoping 
that the K3 line will be extended new life with module upgrades when 
that occurs vs obsolescense by bringing out a "K4" which I will most 
certainly not be able to afford (I robbed my 401K for the K3).

After having my K3 for two years I have come to believe it is the 
best radio one can get at any price.  If the hardware can be improved 
thru upgrades along with firmware improvements I see there being no 
reason to abandon the K3 (it will be the K4).

So this is my way of gently lobbying for this approach vs the new 
model run-out business model.  The computer industry does this 
already too much.

AS far as a 1.5kW sspa I am not in that market so does not play a 
part in my purchasing behavior.  I might some day opt for the KPA500 
if running 270w seems too "feeble"...but not likely since I was 
having plenty fun at 12w with the K3/10.

I am one of the non-HF users of the K3 whose ranks are 
increasing.  The K3 (and now the KX3) have come under notice of eme 
and VHF/mw users who will invest their kw$ on the higher frequencies 
6m+.  My upcoming paper on using the KX3+KX3-2M as IF radio for mw 
will help encourage those folks to look at Elecraft products.


73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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[Elecraft] FM transmit audio level

[Edward R. Cole]

I continue to get complaints my mic audio is too low on FM.  So today 
I ran the mic gain to 60 and they said it only slightly better, so I 
advanced deviation to 6.0 which is too wide for normal deviation, 
still light audio reports.  I have no problem on SSB with my Heil 
HM10-5 desk mic set to gain=20 and had no problems using it with my 
FT-847 on any mode.

So I wonder if there is an internal mic gain pot that can be adjusted 
for FM?  One person offered that maybe the radio was selected for 
Narrow Band FM, but I do not see any place in the configuration menu 
that has such a selection.

Of course 15-KHz FM used to be referred to as NBFM when the standard 
was 30-KHz.  But I'm guessing the current term refers to 12.5 KHz.

Anyway is there a way to adjust this?  I prefer to keep my mic gain 
set to 20 so I do not inadvertently splatter all over an HF band 
because I forgot to reset it.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

[N5GE]

See Below...

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 01:07:41 -0700 (PDT), N8LP  wrote:


>The baseline of the pan trace and the baseline of the pan window don't align
>properly. The difference is about 1/4" on my SVGA monitor with pan/waterfall
>split roughly 50/50, but varies as you change span. It also does this on the
>P3 monitor, and is even more pronounced at narrow spans.

I confirm this, but the difference is more pronounced on my monitor.  When I set
the WF height at ~ 50% the monitor waterfall image is more like 60 - 70% of the
monitor vertical height.  However, I believe in my case it might be the age of
the monitor which was very inexpensive and only has 1024 x 768 resolution which
probably has elliptical pixels which are taller than they are wide.  That could
cause the distortion I am seeing. 

>Strange slowdowns happen when the span is set near 150kHz,

I confirm this also.  I'd almost believe that somehow the refresh rate is being
corrupted or somehow follows the span rate, because when reducing the span the
refresh rate returns to normal. The anomaly seems to me to begin at near 125 and
continuously become more pronounced at 144. At 150 it is almost at a dead stop
and at 152 it is back to normal up to 200KC wide.
[snip]

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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Mike Markowski]

On 04/28/2012 04:01 PM, Edward R. Cole wrote:
> [...] If the hardware can be improved
> thru upgrades along with firmware improvements I see there being no
> reason to abandon the K3 (it will be the K4). [...]

Perusing a hacker site, it seems a group has broken into the Elecraft 
inner sanctum and posted brainstorming emails on the next rig: while the 
RF hardware is similar, under consideration are an ultra high resolution 
touch screen so that virtual buttons and knobs are displayed and changed 
with various modes and choices.  Display options include cw skimming, 
auto-contest (human involvement optional), heuristic "split following" 
for dx'ers.  Optional voice recognition module not only obeys commands 
but offers reminders, if needed, to not yell into mic or overdo 
compression.  In fact, an expert system builds up response patterns, cw 
& phone, and over time can respond intelligently for you allowing you to 
finish your favorite beverage while operating.  Note: All lies.

73,
Mike ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Keith Heimbold]

A completely ubiquitous system that integrates directly into the brain allowing 
operators complete freedom to operate locally, remotely and elsewhere hands 
free. CW by eye blinking. 

Keith 
AG6AZ

Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Mike Markowski"  wrote:

> On 04/28/2012 04:01 PM, Edward R. Cole wrote:
>> [...] If the hardware can be improved
>> thru upgrades along with firmware improvements I see there being no
>> reason to abandon the K3 (it will be the K4). [...]
> 
> Perusing a hacker site, it seems a group has broken into the Elecraft 
> inner sanctum and posted brainstorming emails on the next rig: while the 
> RF hardware is similar, under consideration are an ultra high resolution 
> touch screen so that virtual buttons and knobs are displayed and changed 
> with various modes and choices.  Display options include cw skimming, 
> auto-contest (human involvement optional), heuristic "split following" 
> for dx'ers.  Optional voice recognition module not only obeys commands 
> but offers reminders, if needed, to not yell into mic or overdo 
> compression.  In fact, an expert system builds up response patterns, cw 
> & phone, and over time can respond intelligently for you allowing you to 
> finish your favorite beverage while operating.  Note: All lies.
> 
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 battery voltage

[Don Wilhelm]

Mike,

Your battery is not fully charged 13.3 volts is just not enough to fully 
charge the battery..  If you are going to use your power supply to 
charge the battery, you will have to increase your power supply voltage 
to 14.1 to 14.3 volts - there is a pot inside the Astron.
The battery does not see the full power supply voltage because there is 
a drop across diode D10 in the K2.

The alternative to increasing the power supply voltage is to add a 
Smartcharger.  Take a look at my website article www.w3fpr.com for how 
to do it.  That type charger needs a direct connection to the battery 
(but fused for safety).
If you want to see the specification for that battery, it is at 
http://www.power-sonic.com/images/powersonic/sla_batteries/ps_psg_series/12volt/PS-1229_11_Feb_21.pdf

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 3:31 PM, Mike Weir wrote:
> Good afternoon all, I have the battery from Elecraft for my K2 and I charged 
> it for 16 hours using my Aston RS20M. The voltage reading from the Astron 
> supply using my Fluke 179 was 13.78 volts and the K2 was reading 13.3 volts. 
> My question is after the 16 hours of charging with the Astron power supply 
> removed from the K2 my voltage reading on the K2 is 12.1 volts and .042ma's. 
> Is this voltage within spec's for the K2's battery after a 16 hour charge?
> Mike
> VE3WDM
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Re: [Elecraft] Kit Shipping Schedule Theory

[Bruce Beford]

Bob-
In this regard, Tom's list is very misleading. Only a small fraction of
customers have offered to place their orders on Tom's private spreadsheet.
It is really of no value unless you placed an order within the first few
hours of the order page opening up. Even then, you need to know your
confirmation email time, and are relying on those ahead of you to offer
their info for posting.

They are nowhere near 3/4 of the way through factory assembled orders. I
guarantee that. In fact, I would bet they are not even 10% of the way
through factory assembled orders. (and new orders are coming in daily) The
latest order confirmation time for a publicly announced factory assembled
KX3 delivery was 28 minutes after ordering opened. By now, there is a
backlog of probably close to 2000 units. Sales is quoting 90-120 day
delivery for orders placed now.

Last week, a posting was made indicating a 2 week delay in kit order
shipping starting. This would hopefully put kit orders beginning before
Dayton.

I ordered about 3 1/2 hours after the gate opened. I am still hoping to see
my kit by Field Day. (If not, I'll run the K2 and a KD1JV ATS/MTR rig)

73,
Bruce, N1RX

> They are now 3/4 through all factory-assembled orders as-per Tom's list.


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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Arthur Burke]

Kind of like that famous (infamous?) programming capability:

START
TURN ON ALL DEBUGGING
DO WHAT I'M THINKING
GOTO $TART

Art - N4PJ


On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Keith Heimbold  wrote:

> A completely ubiquitous system that integrates directly into the brain
> allowing operators complete freedom to operate locally, remotely and
> elsewhere hands free. CW by eye blinking.
>
> Keith
> AG6AZ
>
> Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Mike Markowski" 
> wrote:
>
> > On 04/28/2012 04:01 PM, Edward R. Cole wrote:
> >> [...] If the hardware can be improved
> >> thru upgrades along with firmware improvements I see there being no
> >> reason to abandon the K3 (it will be the K4). [...]
> >
> > Perusing a hacker site, it seems a group has broken into the Elecraft
> > inner sanctum and posted brainstorming emails on the next rig: while the
> > RF hardware is similar, under consideration are an ultra high resolution
> > touch screen so that virtual buttons and knobs are displayed and changed
> > with various modes and choices.  Display options include cw skimming,
> > auto-contest (human involvement optional), heuristic "split following"
> > for dx'ers.  Optional voice recognition module not only obeys commands
> > but offers reminders, if needed, to not yell into mic or overdo
> > compression.  In fact, an expert system builds up response patterns, cw
> > & phone, and over time can respond intelligently for you allowing you to
> > finish your favorite beverage while operating.  Note: All lies.
> >
> > 73,
> > Mike ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Bob K6UJ]

I have a Kenwood TS-590S for a back up to my K3 and it has a noticeably quieter 
background than the K3.
I believe we should be able to address this with the NR in the K3,  I'm still 
learning how to adjust the NR.


Bob
K6UJ



On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:15 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

> I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu 990. 
> Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Bill"  wrote:
> 
>> I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.
>> 
>> At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that 
>> I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this 
>> AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background 
>> hiss rises.
>> 
>> When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is 
>> the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on 
>> both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.
>> 
>> I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However, 
>> it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable 
>> level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise - 
>> daytime level on 75 meters is zero.
>> 
>> Suggestions would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Bill W2BLC
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Don Wilhelm]

Bob,

The K3 has more reserve gain than most other receivers, and the lack of 
signals cause the AGC to set the receiver top full gain.

With other receivers, I usually can run the preamp to advantage, but 
with my K3 it is fine without the preamp on.

Do you have the preamp on?  If not, perhaps you want to turn on the 
attenuator.  To tell if you have enough gain, disconnect the antenna and 
then reconnect it.  If the receiver can hear the "antenna noise" you can 
reduce the gain even further - perhaps by reducing the RF Gain.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 6:42 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
> I have a Kenwood TS-590S for a back up to my K3 and it has a noticeably 
> quieter background than the K3.
> I believe we should be able to address this with the NR in the K3,  I'm still 
> learning how to adjust the NR.
>
>
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:15 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>
>> I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu 990. 
>> Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Bill"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.
>>>
>>> At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that
>>> I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this
>>> AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background
>>> hiss rises.
>>>
>>> When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is
>>> the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on
>>> both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.
>>>
>>> I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However,
>>> it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable
>>> level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise -
>>> daytime level on 75 meters is zero.
>>>
>>> Suggestions would be most appreciated.
>>>
>>> Bill W2BLC
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 OK I have another question.

[Fred Jensen]

On 4/28/2012 6:22 AM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
> Fred,
>
> Do the "spurs" appear on all bands?

Yes
>
> Are the "spurs" still there if you disconnect the antenna from your K3?

Yes
>
> When you tune, does the fequency of each spur change by the same amount
> as the change in "zero beat" frequency due to tuning?

Yes.  I can't "tune to the P3 signal"
>
> If the "spurs" disappear, then their source is outside of the K3 - P3 of
> course. The answer to my third question would help to determine whether
> or not the "spurs" are being "heard" by a spurious response of the K3's
> receiver, be the source internal or external, and which response.

I think the problem is I don't have the K3 IF level mod [replace a 
resistor I think].  I finally dug out the service monitor and calibrated 
my K3 S-meter [after about 3 years :-)].  It had always seemed a little 
"stingy," as we used to say.  Then I set the P3 gain to give me -73 dBm, 
and I had to turn it way up ... way way up.  My guess right now is that 
it is so high that the stray signals from the K3 are showing up.  I 
guess I'll need to make the IF mod.

Thanks and 73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] Kit Shipping Schedule Theory

[Fred Jensen]

This thread reminds me of the time traveler from 2012 who went back in 
time and talked to the Mayans, describing in detail the widespread study 
of their stone calendars and the concerns that the calendar ends in Oct 
of 2012.  The Mayans were incredulous, and the chief said to the time 
traveler, "Look.  A bunch of dirtbags invaded our country and we got 
busy taking care of that.  We never got back to the calendar."

73,

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On 4/28/2012 9:59 AM, Rob May wrote:
>
> As far as the spreadsheet goes, it's heavily biased towards those who
> ordered early.  There is no way that they are 3/4 of the way through
> delivering factory built K3's.  They are not even up to 45 minutes
> after ordering started.  No units were shipped this past week as far
> as I can tell.  No one has updated the spreadsheet to show that
> they've received shipping notice from Elecraft in over a week.

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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Michael D. Adams]

Even though I'm still a couple of days away from receiving my K3, I can
think of one possible enhancement for a K4:  license Siri from Apple.

Imagine the possibilities:  "Siri, where in the pile-up is that DX station
working?"  "Siri, find me a good run frequency." 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Bob K6UJ]

Don,
I usually leave the preamp on and not really needed as you said.  I will try 
backing down the RF gain 
a tad also.  Thanks for the info.
I found too, unless I have other noise issues to deal with, setting the NR at 
F1-1
reduces the hiss quite a bit, and no impact at all on the sig.  Just seems to 
give a quieter background, very nice.  

Bob
K6UJ


On Apr 28, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Bob,
> 
> The K3 has more reserve gain than most other receivers, and the lack of 
> signals cause the AGC to set the receiver top full gain.
> 
> With other receivers, I usually can run the preamp to advantage, but with my 
> K3 it is fine without the preamp on.
> 
> Do you have the preamp on?  If not, perhaps you want to turn on the 
> attenuator.  To tell if you have enough gain, disconnect the antenna and then 
> reconnect it.  If the receiver can hear the "antenna noise" you can reduce 
> the gain even further - perhaps by reducing the RF Gain.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 4/28/2012 6:42 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
>> I have a Kenwood TS-590S for a back up to my K3 and it has a noticeably 
>> quieter background than the K3.
>> I believe we should be able to address this with the NR in the K3,  I'm 
>> still learning how to adjust the NR.
>> 
>> 
>> Bob
>> K6UJ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:15 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> 
>>> I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu 
>>> 990. Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Bill"  wrote:
>>> 
 I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.
 
 At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that
 I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this
 AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background
 hiss rises.
 
 When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is
 the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on
 both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.
 
 I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However,
 it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable
 level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise -
 daytime level on 75 meters is zero.
 
 Suggestions would be most appreciated.
 
 Bill W2BLC
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

[tomb18]

Shouldn't this be 1.15 not 1.16?  Mine says 1.15


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Re: [Elecraft] Windows4P3 Status

[tomb18]

Nope, the manual did not transfer.  I tried to delete it, to no avail.  I
will get my web site up soon I hope and then the beta will be available for
general distribution


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

You only need set PRE/none/ATT and RF gain correctly.  Many people seem to
thing that RF gain at max all the time and PRE on all the time, for all
bands all the time, is the normal setting.

You can make this exact same error on a Ten-Tec Orion.  PRE/ATT/RF gain
need to be set for ambient noise with NO signal to be at a very moderate
level.  It is not at all uncommon on 160 and 80 for that to be ATT on and
RF gain at two PM.  My Yaesu MP dealt with that issue by deliberately
making 160/80 insensitive so they would not receive reports of a noisy
receiver.

On your K3 you have the flexibility to use those on the low bands to supply
preamplier gain for low output directional RX antennas.

My TX antenna on 160 is ATT on, RF gain at noon, and phased loops-on-ground
to NE on the second RX set to PRE on and RF gain at max.  Works balanced
and gang-busters on diversity, because the flexibility in the K3 allows me
to equalize the noise levels in the antennas.  There is no roaring noise
coming out of the RX and NR does not really help for really weak CW
signals.  Narrow selectivity does better.

73, Guy.

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Bob K6UJ  wrote:

> I have a Kenwood TS-590S for a back up to my K3 and it has a noticeably
> quieter background than the K3.
> I believe we should be able to address this with the NR in the K3,  I'm
> still learning how to adjust the NR.
>
>
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:15 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>
> > I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu
> 990. Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Bill"  wrote:
> >
> >> I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.
> >>
> >> At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that
> >> I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this
> >> AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background
> >> hiss rises.
> >>
> >> When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is
> >> the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on
> >> both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.
> >>
> >> I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However,
> >> it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable
> >> level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise -
> >> daytime level on 75 meters is zero.
> >>
> >> Suggestions would be most appreciated.
> >>
> >> Bill W2BLC
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

CW or SSB or both?  How old is the K3?  There was a DSP swapout that 
addressed this.  For SSB I drop the FC on the filter down to about 1.0 
which helps.  There were some other settings that might help.  Check the 
archives.

Mike W0MU

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On 4/28/2012 5:35 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
> Don,
> I usually leave the preamp on and not really needed as you said.  I will try 
> backing down the RF gain
> a tad also.  Thanks for the info.
> I found too, unless I have other noise issues to deal with, setting the NR at 
> F1-1
> reduces the hiss quite a bit, and no impact at all on the sig.  Just seems to 
> give a quieter background, very nice.
>
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> The K3 has more reserve gain than most other receivers, and the lack of 
>> signals cause the AGC to set the receiver top full gain.
>>
>> With other receivers, I usually can run the preamp to advantage, but with my 
>> K3 it is fine without the preamp on.
>>
>> Do you have the preamp on?  If not, perhaps you want to turn on the 
>> attenuator.  To tell if you have enough gain, disconnect the antenna and 
>> then reconnect it.  If the receiver can hear the "antenna noise" you can 
>> reduce the gain even further - perhaps by reducing the RF Gain.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 4/28/2012 6:42 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
>>> I have a Kenwood TS-590S for a back up to my K3 and it has a noticeably 
>>> quieter background than the K3.
>>> I believe we should be able to address this with the NR in the K3,  I'm 
>>> still learning how to adjust the NR.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> K6UJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:15 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>>
 I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu 
 990. Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Bill"   wrote:

> I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.
>
> At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that
> I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this
> AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background
> hiss rises.
>
> When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is
> the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on
> both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.
>
> I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However,
> it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable
> level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise -
> daytime level on 75 meters is zero.
>
> Suggestions would be most appreciated.
>
> Bill W2BLC
>
> -- 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

[Dick Dievendorff]

Try pressing the "Copy Files from Elecraft" button on the P3 Utility's
firmware page.

Dick, K6KR


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Shouldn't this be 1.15 not 1.16?  Mine says 1.15


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Adrian]

You guys are on the wrong track, NR is a waste of time on the K3 on SSB, esp
low bands and attenuation ATT and/or RF gain reduction is way better to keep
audio clarity whilst making noise transparent. Recommend; AGC threshold = 8
AGC slope = 0.

This white noise issue is fixed with N1EU pink noise roll-off settings;

RX Eq settings Low to High audio band:50 = +9  100= +5  200= +2  400=0
800=-2  1.6k=-3  2.4k=-5  3.2k=-10

Problem solved .

Adrian ... vk4tux




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Don Wilhelm]

Bob,

I would discourage you from using the preamp except on the higher bands 
where the atmospheric noise is lower.

I would also discourage you from using NR for that purpose.

The K3 is a contest/DX class transceiver, and like a fine race car, does 
need to have a little more than casual "all knobs to the right" operation.

If you reduce the RF gain, the S-meter will no longer be calibrated.  
You can make the S-meter response independent of the RF Gain by setting 
the Config menu to SMTR MD to ABS.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 7:35 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
> Don,
> I usually leave the preamp on and not really needed as you said.  I will try 
> backing down the RF gain
> a tad also.  Thanks for the info.
> I found too, unless I have other noise issues to deal with, setting the NR at 
> F1-1
> reduces the hiss quite a bit, and no impact at all on the sig.  Just seems to 
> give a quieter background, very nice.
>
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> The K3 has more reserve gain than most other receivers, and the lack of 
>> signals cause the AGC to set the receiver top full gain.
>>
>> With other receivers, I usually can run the preamp to advantage, but with my 
>> K3 it is fine without the preamp on.
>>
>> Do you have the preamp on?  If not, perhaps you want to turn on the 
>> attenuator.  To tell if you have enough gain, disconnect the antenna and 
>> then reconnect it.  If the receiver can hear the "antenna noise" you can 
>> reduce the gain even further - perhaps by reducing the RF Gain.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 4/28/2012 6:42 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
>>> I have a Kenwood TS-590S for a back up to my K3 and it has a noticeably 
>>> quieter background than the K3.
>>> I believe we should be able to address this with the NR in the K3,  I'm 
>>> still learning how to adjust the NR.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> K6UJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:15 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>>
 I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu 
 990. Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Bill"   wrote:

> I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.
>
> At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that
> I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this
> AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background
> hiss rises.
>
> When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is
> the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on
> both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.
>
> I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However,
> it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable
> level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise -
> daytime level on 75 meters is zero.
>
> Suggestions would be most appreciated.
>
> Bill W2BLC
>
> -- 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

[Dick Dievendorff]

Somehow you're looking at a stale FTP directory.  Here's the current
content:

 


FTP directory /P3/firmware at ftp.elecraft.com


To view this FTP site in Windows Explorer: press Alt, click View, and then
click Open FTP Site in Windows Explorer. 

  _  

Up to higher level directory  

04/27/2012 11:54AM  Directory   .
04/19/2012 04:38PM  Directory   ..
04/26/2012 05:19PM  Directory
 beta
02/28/2012 11:06AM341,241 p3f00_0102.bin
 
02/28/2012 11:06AM341,241
 p3f01_0102.bin
02/28/2012 11:06AM341,241
 p3f02_0102.bin
02/28/2012 11:06AM341,241
 p3f03_0102.bin
02/28/2012 11:06AM341,241
 p3f04_0102.bin
04/27/2012 11:15AM 87,176 p3fwnotes.rtf
 
04/27/2012 10:38AM985,182 p3m0116.hex
 
04/20/2012 04:36PM  1,509,286 p3s0104.hex
 

 

 

Dick, K6KR

 

 

From: tom...@videotron.ca [mailto:tom...@videotron.ca] 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:06 PM
To: Dick Dievendorff
Subject: Re: RE: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available

 

Hi, I did.  The updated said 1.15 as the version.  I beta tested the
1.15...strange
Thanks

- Original Message -
From: Dick Dievendorff 
Date: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:03 pm
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware 1.16 and SVGA 1.04 now available
To: 'tomb18' , elecraft@mailman.qth.net

> Try pressing the "Copy Files from Elecraft" button on the P3 Utility's
> firmware page.
> 
> Dick, K6KR
> 
> 
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> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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> Shouldn't this be 1.15 not 1.16?  Mine says 1.15
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Bob K6UJ]

Guy,
Thanks for the info.
I think I have "afraid I wont be able to copy weak signal" fobia, hihi.
I need to experiment more with the RF gain and PRE and convince myself that 
that I am not sacrificing weak sig copy.
My problem lies in the space between the headphones, hihihihi

Bob
K6UJ



On Apr 28, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

> You only need set PRE/none/ATT and RF gain correctly.  Many people seem to 
> thing that RF gain at max all the time and PRE on all the time, for all bands 
> all the time, is the normal setting.  
> 
> You can make this exact same error on a Ten-Tec Orion.  PRE/ATT/RF gain need 
> to be set for ambient noise with NO signal to be at a very moderate level.  
> It is not at all uncommon on 160 and 80 for that to be ATT on and RF gain at 
> two PM.  My Yaesu MP dealt with that issue by deliberately making 160/80 
> insensitive so they would not receive reports of a noisy receiver.  
> 
> On your K3 you have the flexibility to use those on the low bands to supply 
> preamplier gain for low output directional RX antennas.  
> 
> My TX antenna on 160 is ATT on, RF gain at noon, and phased loops-on-ground 
> to NE on the second RX set to PRE on and RF gain at max.  Works balanced and 
> gang-busters on diversity, because the flexibility in the K3 allows me to 
> equalize the noise levels in the antennas.  There is no roaring noise coming 
> out of the RX and NR does not really help for really weak CW signals.  Narrow 
> selectivity does better.
> 
> 73, Guy.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Bob K6UJ  wrote:
> I have a Kenwood TS-590S for a back up to my K3 and it has a noticeably 
> quieter background than the K3.
> I believe we should be able to address this with the NR in the K3,  I'm still 
> learning how to adjust the NR.
> 
> 
> Bob
> K6UJ
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:15 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> 
> > I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu 
> > 990. Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Bill"  wrote:
> >
> >> I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.
> >>
> >> At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that
> >> I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this
> >> AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background
> >> hiss rises.
> >>
> >> When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is
> >> the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on
> >> both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.
> >>
> >> I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However,
> >> it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable
> >> level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise -
> >> daytime level on 75 meters is zero.
> >>
> >> Suggestions would be most appreciated.
> >>
> >> Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Don Wilhelm]

Bob,

Guy is giving you a lot of good advice, and he has some serious 
operating skills behind him, so he knows what he is saying.

Maybe you can think of it this way -- "You can't copy (with your ears) 
signals that are buried in the atmospheric noise, so why make that noise 
louder".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 8:20 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
> Guy,
> Thanks for the info.
> I think I have "afraid I wont be able to copy weak signal" fobia, hihi.
> I need to experiment more with the RF gain and PRE and convince myself that 
> that I am not sacrificing weak sig copy.
> My problem lies in the space between the headphones, hihihihi
>
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>
>> You only need set PRE/none/ATT and RF gain correctly.  Many people seem to 
>> thing that RF gain at max all the time and PRE on all the time, for all 
>> bands all the time, is the normal setting.
>>
>> You can make this exact same error on a Ten-Tec Orion.  PRE/ATT/RF gain need 
>> to be set for ambient noise with NO signal to be at a very moderate level.  
>> It is not at all uncommon on 160 and 80 for that to be ATT on and RF gain at 
>> two PM.  My Yaesu MP dealt with that issue by deliberately making 160/80 
>> insensitive so they would not receive reports of a noisy receiver.
>>
>> On your K3 you have the flexibility to use those on the low bands to supply 
>> preamplier gain for low output directional RX antennas.
>>
>> My TX antenna on 160 is ATT on, RF gain at noon, and phased loops-on-ground 
>> to NE on the second RX set to PRE on and RF gain at max.  Works balanced and 
>> gang-busters on diversity, because the flexibility in the K3 allows me to 
>> equalize the noise levels in the antennas.  There is no roaring noise coming 
>> out of the RX and NR does not really help for really weak CW signals.  
>> Narrow selectivity does better.
>>
>> 73, Guy.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Bob K6UJ  wrote:
>> I have a Kenwood TS-590S for a back up to my K3 and it has a noticeably 
>> quieter background than the K3.
>> I believe we should be able to address this with the NR in the K3,  I'm 
>> still learning how to adjust the NR.
>>
>>
>> Bob
>> K6UJ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:15 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>
>>> I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu 
>>> 990. Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Bill"  wrote:
>>>
 I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning.

 At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that
 I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this
 AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background
 hiss rises.

 When I switch to my TS-480, signals are just as strong and everything is
 the same - EXCEPT there is nearly zero background hiss. I use the ATT on
 both rigs. I much prefer the near FM silence of the 480.

 I have already reduced it somewhat by use of the RX Equalizer. However,
 it needs a lot more reduction to get to what I feel is an acceptable
 level. Of note: I live in a rural area that has no background noise -
 daytime level on 75 meters is zero.

 Suggestions would be most appreciated.

 Bill W2BLC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Gary Gregory]

*Adrian,

My experience with those settings are the same as yours.

Works for me.
73's
Gary
*
On 29 April 2012 10:06, Adrian  wrote:

> You guys are on the wrong track, NR is a waste of time on the K3 on SSB,
> esp
> low bands and attenuation ATT and/or RF gain reduction is way better to
> keep
> audio clarity whilst making noise transparent. Recommend; AGC threshold = 8
> AGC slope = 0.
>
> This white noise issue is fixed with N1EU pink noise roll-off settings;
>
> RX Eq settings Low to High audio band:50 = +9  100= +5  200= +2  400=0
> 800=-2  1.6k=-3  2.4k=-5  3.2k=-10
>
> Problem solved .
>
> Adrian ... vk4tux
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Greg Troxel]

"Adrian"  writes:

> Thanks Eric, A concise response from you as always. Now to change subject I
> saw your callsign on a Californian D-Star server log some time back, and it
> was evident that you have used the mode. I was big on it a few years back
> and I still have all the gear. However my participation on D-Star waned with
> my HF interest, and especially the K3 coming along.
>
> My question is; Has Elecraft ever entertained the idea of incorporation of
> DV mode in any of their 2m - 70cm gear?
> The ambe chip is proprietary codec, but that utilised any manufacturer could
> provide a module to provide for the mode?

I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
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[Elecraft] K1 tilt stand

[NK6A-Don Minkoff]

I am looking for a spare 10-32 Thumb Screw used with the KTS1 tilt 
stand.  In my rush to get off a peak today (operating SOTA)  I dropped one.

Thanks,
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Tim Tucker]

There are quite a few D-STAR repeaters and hot spots on the air that are
non-Icom and required no patent to build.  D-STAR is an evolving technology
and it wouldn't be too far fetched for an enterprising company to build a
radio using similar chipsets and firmware currently being used in the
repeaters and hotspots being built by hams.


> I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
> against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
> kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
> is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Don Wilhelm]

I agree fully, despite the article in the May issue of QST which glosses 
over the proprietary nature of D-Star.

I am opposed to the use of proprietary protocols in ham radio.  Ham 
radio to me is free radio.  I have passed my license requirements, and 
should be able to use whatever modulation techniques are authorized by 
the FCC.  The thought of paying for a license (even though that payment 
may be bundled with a transceiver purchase) is foreign to my views of 
ham radio.

Certainly, I buy computers with Windows loaded, but I do not buy Icom 
transceivers with D-Star loaded.  That is what is foreign to my view of 
ham radio.

Until someone comes up with an open source and free to use substitute 
for the AMBE Codec that is owned by Digital Voice Systems, Inc., I will 
not be using D-Star.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 9:17 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
> I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
> against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
> kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
> is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Matthew Pitts]

Greg,


You don't need to purchase a patent license; all you need to do is order the 
AMBE chips from DVSI (minimum quantity of 6, price per unit is $20US) and 
incorporate them into your design. Having said that, I don't forsee Elecraft 
doing this, as there are other sources of hardware for this, that are likely to 
be of a similar quality to what Elecraft produces.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU


>
> From: Greg Troxel 
>To: Adrian  
>Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
>Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] D-Star
> 
>
>"Adrian"  writes:
>
>> Thanks Eric, A concise response from you as always. Now to change subject I
>> saw your callsign on a Californian D-Star server log some time back, and it
>> was evident that you have used the mode. I was big on it a few years back
>> and I still have all the gear. However my participation on D-Star waned with
>> my HF interest, and especially the K3 coming along.
>>
>> My question is; Has Elecraft ever entertained the idea of incorporation of
>> DV mode in any of their 2m - 70cm gear?
>> The ambe chip is proprietary codec, but that utilised any manufacturer could
>> provide a module to provide for the mode?
>
>I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
>against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
>kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
>is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
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Re: [Elecraft] A Success Story

[Wayne Burdick]

Gary,

We have to prioritize implementation of improvements for all products,  
including the K3. We won't be holding a "vote" like some software  
companies do, so it's up to us to gauge the impact of each fix.

The issues you mentioned have very complex implications for the K3,  
including the redesign of the firmware's T/R sequencing state-machine.  
Fortunately, they also affect a relatively small number of operators.  
A lot of other pending changes have much broader impact. I (and our  
staff engineers) work closely with customer support to make sure we're  
maximizing the benefit of our development time.

Sorry I can't give you better news on these.

73,
wayne
N6KR

On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

>> Elecraft makes very few mistakes in the first place but when they  
>> do the
>> response is cheerful, immediate and always helpful.
>
> OK so where are the firmware fixes for the K3's CW-in-SSB QSK bug,  
> and the
> CW-during-PTT-release bug?   Not exactly an "immediate" response ...
>
> 73
> Gary ZL2iFB
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Sandy]

Amen, amen!  Ditto for the Proprietery PACTOR III   Or anything else 
"Proprietary" PERIOD!

This isn't what ham radio is all about!  Can't agree with you more Don!

73,

Sandy W5TVW

-Original Message- 
From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:42 PM
To: Greg Troxel
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

I agree fully, despite the article in the May issue of QST which glosses
over the proprietary nature of D-Star.

I am opposed to the use of proprietary protocols in ham radio.  Ham
radio to me is free radio.  I have passed my license requirements, and
should be able to use whatever modulation techniques are authorized by
the FCC.  The thought of paying for a license (even though that payment
may be bundled with a transceiver purchase) is foreign to my views of
ham radio.

Certainly, I buy computers with Windows loaded, but I do not buy Icom
transceivers with D-Star loaded.  That is what is foreign to my view of
ham radio.

Until someone comes up with an open source and free to use substitute
for the AMBE Codec that is owned by Digital Voice Systems, Inc., I will
not be using D-Star.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 9:17 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
> I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
> against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
> kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
> is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 tilt stand

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Look in the parts list of your manual and you'll find the elecraft part
number, then order one. That's why the part numbers are there!

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
I am looking for a spare 10-32 Thumb Screw used with the KTS1 tilt stand.
In my rush to get off a peak today (operating SOTA)  I dropped one.

Thanks,
Don, NK6A

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[Elecraft] K3 Frequency Shift

[w0ih]

A couple weeks ago, I was on 40 meters with a group of friends, and one of
the guys (likes everyone on frequency ;-) suggested that I was off.

I finally got around to checking the K3 last week and found that it was off
by about 260 Hz from what it should have been.  I rechecked the calibration
(against WWV, per the manual instructions) and the reference oscillator had
not changed from the original setting (I had it marked down in the manual
from when I first calibrated it).  I had to move it by 260 Hz to get it to
zero beat WWV.

Anyone have any idea why it should shift frequency?   I can't say that I'm
terribly concerned, more curious about it.

Mike

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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Gary Gregory]

*There are also many digital signals that require the purchase of the
decode software and I do not support these also.

Downloaded some software just the other day, found out it would cost 29.95
to make it work. So I went to remove it and guess what?yep, a message
popped up saying sorry to see you go, however, as a special incentive you
can have it for 9.95...Hm...ya gotta wonder.

After all, it is only a hobby for the majority of amateur's?

73's
Gary
*
On 29 April 2012 12:13, Sandy  wrote:

> Amen, amen!  Ditto for the Proprietery PACTOR III   Or anything else
> "Proprietary" PERIOD!
>
> This isn't what ham radio is all about!  Can't agree with you more Don!
>
> 73,
>
> Sandy W5TVW
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:42 PM
> To: Greg Troxel
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] D-Star
>
> I agree fully, despite the article in the May issue of QST which glosses
> over the proprietary nature of D-Star.
>
> I am opposed to the use of proprietary protocols in ham radio.  Ham
> radio to me is free radio.  I have passed my license requirements, and
> should be able to use whatever modulation techniques are authorized by
> the FCC.  The thought of paying for a license (even though that payment
> may be bundled with a transceiver purchase) is foreign to my views of
> ham radio.
>
> Certainly, I buy computers with Windows loaded, but I do not buy Icom
> transceivers with D-Star loaded.  That is what is foreign to my view of
> ham radio.
>
> Until someone comes up with an open source and free to use substitute
> for the AMBE Codec that is owned by Digital Voice Systems, Inc., I will
> not be using D-Star.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/28/2012 9:17 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
> > I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
> > against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
> > kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
> > is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
> >
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[Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Charlie Delta]

I use a Datong FL3 audio filter and the difference to my ears is amazing.  The 
K3 sounds a lot lesser hissy and is very "warm" sounding  when compared to the 
unfiltered radio. Yes, I have tried all AGC  and EQ settings.The difference can 
not   be equaled  by just adjusting the RX EQ or by using a pink noise roll off 
mask. My Datong FL3 is hooked up permanently to the K3 and I can easily switch 
it in and out. Anecdotal comments from other hams also confirms the filters 
efficacy. I have the DSP board upgrade in the K3.

I have perfect hearing, so its not my ears coloring the results. The K3's hiss 
does have a sharp bite to it that was fixed  by using the Datong filter. I know 
what real hiss is, having owned a TS530S and a  FT990 both of which had the 
worst imaginable  IF hiss.  When I tried these radio again I could not believe 
how quiet the K3 really is however you then use a SDR radio and your 
perspective of what quiet is changes!

Maybe the K2 SCAF or some other SCAF will do the same job as the Datong. 
Datongs audio filter has a legendary reputation and its audio peak filter on CW 
and general  filtering qualities leave  many DSP radios for dead. Amazing for a 
30 year old box!

If you can find a Datong FL3 buy it!

73
Craig
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

[Adrian]

Bob,

Guy is giving you a lot of good advice, and he has some serious operating
skills behind him, so he knows what he is saying.

Maybe you can think of it this way -- "You can't copy (with your ears)
signals that are buried in the atmospheric noise, so why make that noise
louder".

73,
Don W3FPR

Yes Guy's information to deal with noise is exactly how I run here, however
the white noise issue is best fixed with the RX equaliser settings I gave
earlier.
If you did manage to read my post Bob and try those settings, then you will
be pleasantly surprised and satisfied with the new mellow sound of your K3.
Please note that this is reversible in case you think vk advice is worth
little.

Adrian ... vk4tux

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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Jim Brown]

On 4/28/2012 6:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I am opposed to the use of proprietary protocols in ham radio.

I feel the same way.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Matthew Pitts]

Leaving aside the proprietary codec, much of the specification has been 
implemented as open source software; for those that don't like the codec, there 
is work progressing on a replacement, which I am following closely. For what 
it's worth, this is the second time today I've had this debate, and hopefully 
I'm making sense about it.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU




>
> From: Sandy 
>To: d...@w3fpr.com; Greg Troxel  
>Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
>Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] D-Star
> 
>Amen, amen!  Ditto for the Proprietery PACTOR III   Or anything else 
>"Proprietary" PERIOD!
>
>This isn't what ham radio is all about!  Can't agree with you more Don!
>
>73,
>
>Sandy W5TVW
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Don Wilhelm
>Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:42 PM
>To: Greg Troxel
>Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] D-Star
>
>I agree fully, despite the article in the May issue of QST which glosses
>over the proprietary nature of D-Star.
>
>I am opposed to the use of proprietary protocols in ham radio.  Ham
>radio to me is free radio.  I have passed my license requirements, and
>should be able to use whatever modulation techniques are authorized by
>the FCC.  The thought of paying for a license (even though that payment
>may be bundled with a transceiver purchase) is foreign to my views of
>ham radio.
>
>Certainly, I buy computers with Windows loaded, but I do not buy Icom
>transceivers with D-Star loaded.  That is what is foreign to my view of
>ham radio.
>
>Until someone comes up with an open source and free to use substitute
>for the AMBE Codec that is owned by Digital Voice Systems, Inc., I will
>not be using D-Star.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 4/28/2012 9:17 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
>> I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
>> against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
>> kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
>> is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
>>
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

[kevinr]

Good Evening,
 Since forty meters does not open up as early this time of year the 
second net has been pushed later by an hour.  If this does not work I'll 
push it another hour next week.  Thus the forty meter net will begin at 
0100z or 6 PM Pacific time.  Hopefully the time change will help a few 
more of you find the net from Northwestern Oregon.

After the sunny and warm weekend it has been wet, windy, and rather 
chilly.  Not quite down to freezing and nowhere near 50 in the daytime.  
Maybe May will be warmer.  Between the rain and wind there were three 
separate hail storms.  While out splitting wood today I saw a lot of 
snow on the neighboring peaks.  Winter is holding on for another week 
while it threatens the flowers.

Please join us tomorrow afternoon and evening.

1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help  (as well as QSP/QNP  help)

Sunday 2200z (Sunday 3 PM PDT) 14050 kHz
Monday 0100z (Sunday 6 PM PDT)  7045 kHz

   Stay well,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Don Wilhelm]

Gary,

That is "sort-of" OK, but until they offer it at no cost, I an not going 
to "buy".  Even a $20 discount for what ought to be free is not 
appealing to me.

OK, you did not say it was ham radio software, nor did you say it was 
some proprietary codec, and that is OK with me (it does not interfere 
with my ham radio operation).  Software authors who want to make a 
profit from their work are OK with me - I like to make a profit from my 
efforts too, but those who develop ham radio protocols and want to 
protect them with patents and copyrights just does not rest well with me.
The spirit of amateur radio is sharing.  You see what I share here on 
this reflector and the QRP-L reflector - that is my view of how amateur 
radio should be - one ham helping another.  Where I was introduced to 
ham radio, that fact was the "glue that binds"  I am deeply indebted to 
those hams who helped me along in my beginning years.  Their efforts 
helped me with my homebrewing efforts (age = 15), and with my sense of 
what ham radio was all about (Google W8GMM for information about this 
unique club).  This was in a town in Ohio with only 5000 residents, but 
over 20 of them were hams.  Those hams taught me that whatever 
information that existed in ham radio circles was something free to 
share.  Proprietary code does not mesh with that concept that I learned 
very early in my ham career.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 10:54 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> *There are also many digital signals that require the purchase of the
> decode software and I do not support these also.
>
> Downloaded some software just the other day, found out it would cost 29.95
> to make it work. So I went to remove it and guess what?yep, a message
> popped up saying sorry to see you go, however, as a special incentive you
> can have it for 9.95...Hm...ya gotta wonder.
>
> After all, it is only a hobby for the majority of amateur's?
>
> 73's
> Gary
> *
> On 29 April 2012 12:13, Sandy  wrote:
>
>> Amen, amen!  Ditto for the Proprietery PACTOR III   Or anything else
>> "Proprietary" PERIOD!
>>
>> This isn't what ham radio is all about!  Can't agree with you more Don!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Sandy W5TVW
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Don Wilhelm
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:42 PM
>> To: Greg Troxel
>> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] D-Star
>>
>> I agree fully, despite the article in the May issue of QST which glosses
>> over the proprietary nature of D-Star.
>>
>> I am opposed to the use of proprietary protocols in ham radio.  Ham
>> radio to me is free radio.  I have passed my license requirements, and
>> should be able to use whatever modulation techniques are authorized by
>> the FCC.  The thought of paying for a license (even though that payment
>> may be bundled with a transceiver purchase) is foreign to my views of
>> ham radio.
>>
>> Certainly, I buy computers with Windows loaded, but I do not buy Icom
>> transceivers with D-Star loaded.  That is what is foreign to my view of
>> ham radio.
>>
>> Until someone comes up with an open source and free to use substitute
>> for the AMBE Codec that is owned by Digital Voice Systems, Inc., I will
>> not be using D-Star.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 4/28/2012 9:17 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
>>> I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
>>> against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
>>> kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
>>> is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Don Wilhelm]

Matthew,

No need for debate - just need for open source software to replace the 
D-Star proprietary stuff.

When that open source software is available, I will strongly consider 
it.  There is a lot of function (particularly for ECOMM) that is useful.
In the meantime, I stand by my position that proprietary codecs (or 
software or anything) do not have a proper place in ham radio.  I guess 
this comes from my mental stance that the airways are free within the 
limits of our license privileges - I was a ham back in the mid-1950's, 
when things were not as complex - the big decision was AM or SSB at that 
time.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 11:07 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
> Leaving aside the proprietary codec, much of the specification has been 
> implemented as open source software; for those that don't like the codec, 
> there is work progressing on a replacement, which I am following closely. For 
> what it's worth, this is the second time today I've had this debate, and 
> hopefully I'm making sense about it.
>
> Matthew Pitts
> N8OHU
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> From: Sandy
>> To: d...@w3fpr.com; Greg Troxel
>> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] D-Star
>>
>> Amen, amen!  Ditto for the Proprietery PACTOR III   Or anything else
>> "Proprietary" PERIOD!
>>
>> This isn't what ham radio is all about!  Can't agree with you more Don!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Sandy W5TVW
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Don Wilhelm
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:42 PM
>> To: Greg Troxel
>> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] D-Star
>>
>> I agree fully, despite the article in the May issue of QST which glosses
>> over the proprietary nature of D-Star.
>>
>> I am opposed to the use of proprietary protocols in ham radio.  Ham
>> radio to me is free radio.  I have passed my license requirements, and
>> should be able to use whatever modulation techniques are authorized by
>> the FCC.  The thought of paying for a license (even though that payment
>> may be bundled with a transceiver purchase) is foreign to my views of
>> ham radio.
>>
>> Certainly, I buy computers with Windows loaded, but I do not buy Icom
>> transceivers with D-Star loaded.  That is what is foreign to my view of
>> ham radio.
>>
>> Until someone comes up with an open source and free to use substitute
>> for the AMBE Codec that is owned by Digital Voice Systems, Inc., I will
>> not be using D-Star.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 4/28/2012 9:17 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
>>> I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
>>> against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
>>> kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
>>> is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[amsctalx]

Don - 

I am not suggesting that you include D-Star in your products, and I am not 
going to change your mind, but I tend to disagree with the concern about D-Star 
over the proprietary nature of ABME... 

Not to split hairs, but the "mode" of D-Star is Gaussian minimum shift keying, 
a form of frequency shift keying. The D-Star implementation of GMSK is an 
"open" standard, and has been implemented at the hobbyist level. 

Which brings us to ABME, a proprietary "code-book" protocol (codec). I struggle 
with the lack of a published, unfettered standard as many do, but...I wonder 
how large of a practical impact this on me. I think about the other things that 
I can't make myself but leverage in my station, such as DSP controllers 
containing proprietary intellectual property and "microprocessor-based" 
transceivers (e.g. K3) from which I can not, to the best of knowledge, obtain 
and reuse the code. 

I think that one of the things that distinguishes "open" from proprietary is 
that I could, if I was so inclined, attempt to implement AMBE in software if 
ABME was "open". I am not so inclined, no more than I am inclined to "hack" my 
K3 or replace the DSP in one of my "other" radios with a custom FPGA. If the 
test for ABME is the ability of an individual or organization to implement it 
at-will and without royalty, then I would have to admit it fails...but...with 
all of the proprietary IP and non-reproducible components in my "amateur" 
systems, and knowing of the existence of a number of "modes" (protocols) that 
are implemented by one seriously-flawed PC application (that I can't decode by 
ear), I guess I just have a hard time seeing the big difference. 

In the end, I think D-Star is fun and probably less of threat to the long-term 
health of amateur radio than gentrification and apathy, but that's just my 
opinion... 

73, 


Mike Alexander N8MSA 

amsct...@comcast.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Don Wilhelm"  
To: "Greg Troxel"  
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:42:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] D-Star 

I agree fully, despite the article in the May issue of QST which glosses 
over the proprietary nature of D-Star. 

I am opposed to the use of proprietary protocols in ham radio. Ham 
radio to me is free radio. I have passed my license requirements, and 
should be able to use whatever modulation techniques are authorized by 
the FCC. The thought of paying for a license (even though that payment 
may be bundled with a transceiver purchase) is foreign to my views of 
ham radio. 

Certainly, I buy computers with Windows loaded, but I do not buy Icom 
transceivers with D-Star loaded. That is what is foreign to my view of 
ham radio. 

Until someone comes up with an open source and free to use substitute 
for the AMBE Codec that is owned by Digital Voice Systems, Inc., I will 
not be using D-Star. 

73, 
Don W3FPR 

On 4/28/2012 9:17 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: 
> I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's 
> against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the 
> kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur 
> is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license. 
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 tilt stand

[Don Wilhelm]

Don,

In a pinch, you can run to the local hardware store or good DIY 
emporium  and look in the drawers for some suitable substitute with 
10-32 threads.  When you settle down from the current event, you can 
order the proper replacements from Elecraft  - unfortunately, you will 
have to order it "by description" because the KTSB1 does not include the 
part number.  It may take some effort on the part of the folks at 
Elecraft, but it will get to you.  Since there is no part number, in 
your request, please include the manual that you are ordering from  -- 
there are workers at Elecraft now who do not have the entire company 
history in their memories, so give them a break by providing as much 
information as you can.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 9:31 PM, NK6A-Don Minkoff wrote:
> I am looking for a spare 10-32 Thumb Screw used with the KTS1 tilt
> stand.  In my rush to get off a peak today (operating SOTA)  I dropped one.
>
> Thanks,
> Don, NK6A
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 tilt stand

[Don Wilhelm]

Don,

In a pinch, you can run to the local hardware store or good DIY 
emporium  and look in the drawers for some suitable substitute with 
10-32 threads.  When you settle down from the current event, you can 
order the proper replacements from Elecraft  - unfortunately, you will 
have to order it "by description" because the KTSB1 does not include the 
part number.  It may take some effort on the part of the folks at 
Elecraft, but it will get to you.  Since there is no part number, in 
your request, please include the manual that you are ordering from  -- 
there are workers at Elecraft now who do not have the entire company 
history in their memories, so give them a break by providing as much 
information as you can.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2012 9:31 PM, NK6A-Don Minkoff wrote:
> I am looking for a spare 10-32 Thumb Screw used with the KTS1 tilt
> stand.  In my rush to get off a peak today (operating SOTA)  I dropped one.
>
> Thanks,
> Don, NK6A
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[Elecraft] FW: D-Star

[Adrian]

Don,  I see the argument against proprietary codec etc, but the $20 actually
buy's you the ambe chip ready to added to your circuit.

If a company came up with a secret battery that would outlast any other by a
factor of two, does that mean you should not place  it in your KX3 because
it has secrets? In any case there are people (a VK5 also) working on an open
source codec for ham use.

I lost interest in the mode here over the years, but it is very effective
for international communicational in mobile use and the repeater/reflector
internet linked network etc. Eric's call came up on Reflector 14C connection
log, linked to his local d-star repeater.

i.e: WA6HHQ (10.195.142.80) registered on K6MDD last heard on K6BJ B

 10.195.142.80 is the calls inside ip address that makes the routing system
Work .

I use to write Linux scripts for D-Star CentOS 5 gateways a few years ago,
so I really did lose interest compared to those days.
I am not sure if Elecraft are looking at selling dedicated 2m/70cm
transceivers in the future in any case.

Adrian ... vk4tux

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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star [End of thread]

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

We're exceeding the OT posting volume limit on this one. (Over ten posts in 
about 2 hrs, wow..)

In the interest of reducing email list overload for those not interested in 
this topic, let's end the thread for now. In general ham radio policy topics 
are best debated on other lists and forums.

Oh, and by the way, we do not have plans to add D-Star capability to the K3 or 
KX3 any time soon.

73,
Eric
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On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:40 PM, amsct...@comcast.net wrote:

> Don - 
> 
> I am not suggesting that you include D-Star in your products, and I am not 
> going to change your mind, but I tend to disagree with the concern about 
> D-Star over the proprietary nature of ABME... 
> 
> Not to split hairs, but the "mode" of D-Star is Gaussian minimum shift 
> keying, a form of frequency shift keying. The D-Star implementation of GMSK 
> is an "open" standard, and has been implemented at the hobbyist level. 
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Re: [Elecraft] D-Star

[Don Wilhelm]

Mike,

Please disassociate my posts from official Elecraft.  While I do 
contract repair work on the legacy products (K1, KX1, K2, etc,)  for 
Elecraft, I do not represent Elecraft in any statements that I make here 
on the reflector.  What I suggest is my own independent offering.

73,
Don W3FPR.

On 4/28/2012 11:40 PM, amsct...@comcast.net wrote:
> Don -
>
> I am not suggesting that you include D-Star in your products, and I am 
> not going to change your mind, but I tend to disagree with the concern 
> about D-Star over the proprietary nature of ABME...
>
> Not to split hairs, but the "mode" of D-Star is Gaussian minimum shift 
> keying, a form of frequency shift keying. The D-Star implementation of 
> GMSK is an "open" standard, and has been implemented at the hobbyist 
> level.
>
> Which brings us to ABME, a proprietary "code-book" protocol (codec). I 
> struggle with the lack of a published, unfettered standard as many do, 
> but...I wonder how large of a practical impact this on me. I think 
> about the other things that I can't make myself but leverage in my 
> station, such as DSP controllers containing proprietary intellectual 
> property and "microprocessor-based" transceivers (e.g. K3) from which 
> I can not, to the best of knowledge, obtain and reuse the code.
>
> I think that one of the things that distinguishes "open" from 
> proprietary is that I could, if I was so inclined, attempt to 
> implement AMBE in software if ABME was "open". I am not so inclined, 
> no more than I am inclined to "hack" my K3 or replace the DSP in one 
> of my "other" radios with a custom FPGA. If the test for ABME is the 
> ability of an individual or organization to implement it at-will and 
> without royalty, then I would have to admit it fails...but...with all 
> of the proprietary IP and non-reproducible components in my "amateur" 
> systems, and knowing of the existence of a number of "modes" 
> (protocols) that are implemented by one seriously-flawed PC 
> application (that I can't decode by ear), I guess I just have a hard 
> time seeing the big difference.
>
> In the end, I think D-Star is fun and probably less of threat to the 
> long-term health of amateur radio than gentrification and apathy, but 
> that's just my opinion...
>
> 73,
>
> Mike Alexander N8MSA
>
> amsct...@comcast.net
>
> 
> *From: *"Don Wilhelm" 
> *To: *"Greg Troxel" 
> *Cc: *elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:42:29 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] D-Star
>
> I agree fully, despite the article in the May issue of QST which glosses
> over the proprietary nature of D-Star.
>
> I am opposed to the use of proprietary protocols in ham radio.  Ham
> radio to me is free radio.  I have passed my license requirements, and
> should be able to use whatever modulation techniques are authorized by
> the FCC.  The thought of paying for a license (even though that payment
> may be bundled with a transceiver purchase) is foreign to my views of
> ham radio.
>
> Certainly, I buy computers with Windows loaded, but I do not buy Icom
> transceivers with D-Star loaded.  That is what is foreign to my view of
> ham radio.
>
> Until someone comes up with an open source and free to use substitute
> for the AMBE Codec that is owned by Digital Voice Systems, Inc., I will
> not be using D-Star.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/28/2012 9:17 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
> > I would hope that Elecraft would not add D-Star support; I think it's
> > against the spirit of amateur radio, and particularly contrary to the
> > kit culture, to have an on-air specification that an individual amateur
> > is precluded from implementing without obtaining a patent license.
> >
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