Re: [Elecraft] Humming KPA500

2017-09-03 Thread F5vjc
Switching or variation of load on your AC supply?

On 3 September 2017 at 00:43, pkhjr via Elecraft 
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> Mine does the same thing.  I opened it up last year and could not find
> anything loose.  Would like to get it resolved.
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[Elecraft] The great P3

2017-09-03 Thread Gian Luca Cazzola
This morning I wanted test my P3 - I have mounted a10mhz inverted see antenna, 
that I use from some days.
I have an HP8640A and a Racal 9914 ovenized counter.
I tested the K3S+P3 with signals starting at -135dBm up to -73dBm (S9).
I thought that the P3 is a great weapon for doing and contesting.
Now, after seeing the absolute precision of the P3 at every signal level I can 
say that it is a real measurement instrument, a kind of real spectrum analyzer.
Thanks Wayne Burdock & Co for your great work.
Ian IK4EWX
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[Elecraft] Elecraft P3

2017-09-03 Thread Gian Luca Cazzola

This morning I wanted test my P3 - I have mounted a10mhz inverted see antenna, 
that I use from some days, and wanted be sure about P3 signal strength  
precision.
I have an HP8640A and a Racal 9914 ovenized counter.
I tested the K3S+P3 with signals starting at -135dBm up to -73dBm (S9).
I thought that the P3 is a great weapon for doing and contesting.
Now, after seeing the absolute precision of the P3 at every signal level I can 
say that it is a real measurement instrument, a kind of real spectrum analyzer.
Thanks Wayne Burdock & Co for your great work.
Ian IK4EWX
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Re: [Elecraft] Humming KPA500

2017-09-03 Thread Richard Lamont
On 02/09/17 15:52, Clay Autery wrote:

> Loose PS transformer?

The assembly manual for the kit suggests that, although it isn't
necessary, if you have a torque wrench you should tighten it to 55
inch-pounds.


73,
Richard G4DYA
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[Elecraft] [OT] ToyNTP GPSDO SNTP Server: Unable to listen on Port 123

2017-09-03 Thread MaverickNH
I'm using a GPSDO to set my PC Clock uisng ToyNTP
http://www.dxatlas.com/ToyNtp/ It keep time +/- 50 microseconds, which works
great for digital work like WSJT-X. 

I have Network Time Protocol disabled in Administrative Services and I run
ToyNPT as Administrator. It has  worked fine for a year. Sometimes I get
"SNTP Server:  Unable to listen on Port 123" and reboot and it works OK.
Just recently, something is grabbing that port, and won't let go. No new
apps installed around the time the problem cropped up.

Is there any way to find out what app is using Port 123? 

Bret/N4SRN



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[Elecraft] MH4 Microphone Questions

2017-09-03 Thread Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft
I find the MH2 a bit on the large side for my hands, so the MH4 looks 
interesting to me.  The case appears to be identical to the Icom HM-36,which I 
use with one of my K2s and find very comfortable to hold.  

Can anyone confirm that the dimensions match?  

Has anyone tried out the MH4 for audio quality yet?

73,
Steve VE3SMA
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] ToyNTP GPSDO SNTP Server: Unable to listen on Port 123

2017-09-03 Thread Dale Chayes

On Sep 3, 2017, at 08:51 , MaverickNH  wrote:

> I'm using a GPSDO to set my PC Clock uisng ToyNTP
> http://www.dxatlas.com/ToyNtp/ It keep time +/- 50 microseconds, which works
> great for digital work like WSJT-X.
> 
> I have Network Time Protocol disabled in Administrative Services and I run
> ToyNPT as Administrator. It has  worked fine for a year. Sometimes I get
> "SNTP Server:  Unable to listen on Port 123" and reboot and it works OK.
> Just recently, something is grabbing that port, and won't let go. No new
> apps installed around the time the problem cropped up.

It’s possible that some piece of networking outside your computer (or a 
“helpful” update to your firewall)  is blocking incoming UDP on port 123

> 
> Is there any way to find out what app is using Port 123?

In the Windows world there might be some variability about how to do this, but, 
there is a nice summary of methods on StackOverflow at:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48198/how-can-you-find-out-which-process-is-listening-on-a-port-on-windows

One of the suggestions in that summery is TCPView:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/tcpview

-Dale/KB1ZKD


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] ToyNTP GPSDO SNTP Server: Unable to listen on Port 123

2017-09-03 Thread Dave Cole
More than likely your existing NTP client in Windows has arisen from the 
dead like a zombie, and is starting up at boot time.


73s and thanks,
Dave
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http://www.nk7z.net

On 09/03/2017 05:51 AM, MaverickNH wrote:

No new apps installed...

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[Elecraft] K1 Internal Battery kit

2017-09-03 Thread edward kacura via Elecraft

Bought my fourth K1 (my last), last month, didn't have the KAT1 installed thou. 
I was fortunate to have  ordered one before they were discontinued last week !
The KBT1, internal battery kit is discontinued also, I'd like to find one.
If you have one that's excess to your needs or not using anymore, built or not, 
I would be happy to take it off your hands !
Contact me off line at ekac...@yahoo.com
Sad to see the KX1 and K1 discontinued, they're both such fun and easy to 
operate little rigs ! I've had my KX1 almost 8 yrs and plan to keep it, the 
same for this latest K1 !
Now I'm thinking maybe I should find a K2 before they disappear, sold my K2 
last December after having it almost 8 yrs. After buying my KX3, s/n 045 in 
2012, the K2 didn't see much use anymore. 

Thanks in advance !!
72/73 de EdN7EDKBradenton, FL.
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[Elecraft] A request to Wayne - K3S NR firmware mod.

2017-09-03 Thread Gian Luca Cazzola
 To Wayne and his Elecraft crew:

I am an ultra satisfied cw user of a Elecraft K3S ( that I use with P3 and two 
SP3).

The only things that I dont like are:
- the noise blanker - i havent found situations where it help - or I am unable 
to use it, even if I tried lot of settings…

- the NOISE REDUCTOR, that first times I thought it help barely, but after some 
time I found that it simply need to be reset (simple OFF-ON) at band noise 
changing  time after time and it work well.

About the NB I dont ask anything ( I simply accept that it doesn’t work), 

but about NR - Noise Reductor I ask you that with next firmware modifications 
you introduce an automatic NR reset ( at least every 5 minutes a ciclic OFF-ON, 
it simply improve a lot its results)

Many thanks.

73 es gl,
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Re: [Elecraft] A request to Wayne - K3S NR firmware mod.

2017-09-03 Thread Rick Tavan
Noise blankers are difficult to design and to use. They work by blanking
out the receiver during noise pulses. The user defines what is a noise
pulse and how aggressively to blank it by adjusting the NB parameters. If
you don't blank out enough, you still hear the noise. If the signal is
below that noise, you won't hear it. If you blank out too much, you lose so
much real signal that it is no longer possible to copy or to copy
comfortably. *I have had very good results with the NB in the K3 on some
kinds of human-made noise.* Other noises seem to have too high a duty cycle
or signal strength to be effectively blanked. Your noise sources may be in
that category. I don't think it is fair to say the K3 NB "doesn't work." It
certainly does work on many kinds of noise. No NB that I have tried or
heard of can work on all kinds of noise.

73,

/Rick N6XI


Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Gian Luca Cazzola 
wrote:

>  To Wayne and his Elecraft crew:
>
> I am an ultra satisfied cw user of a Elecraft K3S ( that I use with P3 and
> two SP3).
>
> The only things that I dont like are:
> - the noise blanker - i havent found situations where it help - or I am
> unable to use it, even if I tried lot of settings…
>
> - the NOISE REDUCTOR, that first times I thought it help barely, but after
> some time I found that it simply need to be reset (simple OFF-ON) at band
> noise changing  time after time and it work well.
>
> About the NB I dont ask anything ( I simply accept that it doesn’t work),
>
> but about NR - Noise Reductor I ask you that with next firmware
> modifications you introduce an automatic NR reset ( at least every 5
> minutes a ciclic OFF-ON, it simply improve a lot its results)
>
> Many thanks.
>
> 73 es gl,
> Ian IK4EWX
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3

2017-09-03 Thread Jim Brown

On 9/3/2017 2:46 AM, Gian Luca Cazzola wrote:

Now, after seeing the absolute precision of the P3 at every signal level I can 
say that it is a real measurement instrument, a kind of real spectrum analyzer.


Indeed it is, Ian.  And superior in many ways to very expensive lab 
equipment, particularly in its frequency resolution. And the SVGA, which 
does an even higher resolution FFT, significantly improves that 
resolution.  To see examples of how it can be used as a test instrument, 
see http://k9yc.com/FTDX5000_Report.pdf


Note also that even very inexpensive modern SDR receivers have excellent 
spectrum analysis capabilities, but, like the K3/P3, must be properly 
calibrated. See


k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread K9MA
I have never found the K3 noise blanker to be effective.  On the other hand, in 
side-by-side comparisons, the noise blanker in my old FT-1000D can be very 
effective on my ever present power line noise.  However, like all noise 
blankers of that design, it only works if there are no strong signals within 
many kHz of the operating frequency, so it's completely useless on a crowded 
band.  The only way around this I know of is to use a second receiver, tuned to 
a clear spot nearby, to control the noise blanker.

BTW, the K3 noise blanker uses a filter with a bandwidth of about 100 kHz.  The 
idea is that, in such a wide bandwidth, the amplitude of the noise pulses 
should be large, making them easier to distinguish from signals.  (The FT-1000 
uses something like 15 kHz.)  However, I've never been able to get the K3 NB to 
work, even on a completely dead band.  Under the same conditions, I can often 
get a 20 dB reduction with the other radio.  That I don't understand.  I should 
investigate that sometime.

73, 

Scott K9MA 

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> On Sep 3, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
> 
> Noise blankers are difficult to design and to use. They work by blanking
> out the receiver during noise pulses. The user defines what is a noise
> pulse and how aggressively to blank it by adjusting the NB parameters. If
> you don't blank out enough, you still hear the noise. If the signal is
> below that noise, you won't hear it. If you blank out too much, you lose so
> much real signal that it is no longer possible to copy or to copy
> comfortably. *I have had very good results with the NB in the K3 on some
> kinds of human-made noise.* Other noises seem to have too high a duty cycle
> or signal strength to be effectively blanked. Your noise sources may be in
> that category. I don't think it is fair to say the K3 NB "doesn't work." It
> certainly does work on many kinds of noise. No NB that I have tried or
> heard of can work on all kinds of noise.
> 
> 73,
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
> 
> Rick Tavan
> Truckee, CA
> 
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Gian Luca Cazzola 
> wrote:
> 
>> To Wayne and his Elecraft crew:
>> 
>> I am an ultra satisfied cw user of a Elecraft K3S ( that I use with P3 and
>> two SP3).
>> 
>> The only things that I dont like are:
>> - the noise blanker - i havent found situations where it help - or I am
>> unable to use it, even if I tried lot of settings…
>> 
>> - the NOISE REDUCTOR, that first times I thought it help barely, but after
>> some time I found that it simply need to be reset (simple OFF-ON) at band
>> noise changing  time after time and it work well.
>> 
>> About the NB I dont ask anything ( I simply accept that it doesn’t work),
>> 
>> but about NR - Noise Reductor I ask you that with next firmware
>> modifications you introduce an automatic NR reset ( at least every 5
>> minutes a ciclic OFF-ON, it simply improve a lot its results)
>> 
>> Many thanks.
>> 
>> 73 es gl,
>> Ian IK4EWX
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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Jim Brown

On 9/3/2017 9:18 AM, K9MA wrote:

I have never found the K3 noise blanker to be effective.




BTW, the K3 noise blanker uses a filter with a bandwidth of about 100 kHz.



The K3 NB is really TWO blankers, operating in two different IFs. Each 
can be tweaked for various kinds of noise from the menu system.  Access 
the menu by a Long Push of the NB button.


It's important to understand that there are many kinds of noise. Noise 
blankers are most effective on IMPULSE NOISE, which is the result of 
something arcing, usually in the power system, but also electric fences 
and neon signs.


Most of the residential noise we hear today is ELECTRONIC noise, 
generated by switch-mode power supplies and microprocessors.  Noise 
blankers must be very different to suppress this sort of noise. The menu 
tweaks provided by the K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2 are very critical to making 
the NB effective on the noise you're experiencing. One size does NOT fit 
all.


73, Jim K9YC


On Sep 3, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Rick Tavan  wrote:

Noise blankers are difficult to design and to use. They work by blanking
out the receiver during noise pulses. The user defines what is a noise
pulse and how aggressively to blank it by adjusting the NB parameters.

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[Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie

2017-09-03 Thread Doug Millar via Elecraft
For fun- What technical design technique does the National HRO receiver series  
have in common with the Elecraft series of receivers that is unique to both of 
them?  Doug K6JEY
 

 
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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie

2017-09-03 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
They both run on electrons, hopefully traveling is about the same 
direction...

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Subject: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie

For fun- What technical design technique does the National HRO receiver series  
have in common with the Elecraft series of receivers that is unique to both of 
them?  Doug K6JEY
 

 
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[Elecraft] Fwd: Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Ralph McClintock




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Subject:[Elecraft] Noise Blankers
Date:   Sun, 3 Sep 2017 13:59:59 -0400
From:   Ralph McClintock 
To: k...@sdellington.us



Scott,

 There are two NBs available in the K3. Have you tried the K3 DSP NB? 
Don't even tell me about the "NB" in the FT-1000. Been there; _fought_ 
with Chip K7JA at Yaesu about how bad it was until he quit responding. 
That was about 1992/3. Tom W8JI finally explained where Yaesu really 
screwed the pooch with their entire FT-1000 line NB wise. I went through 
every rig from 1990 right up to 2014 when I got my 2nd K3 and the latest 
DPS software. During that time I was fighting electric fence and power 
line "crap" on 160 meters, my main band of interest. The "regular" for 
lack of a better word, Noise Blanker, in the K3 is probably okay for 
auto ignition noise, like all the rest, but for what I faced it was the 
DSP NB that blew all the rest of the crap away. NO Problems with strong 
signal overload on 160. I could copy very weak signals right in between 
New England/NY big guys, and that is on my transmit antenna! The K3 DSP 
NB was, and still is, a game changer for me. Give it a try on your power 
line junk.


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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Fred Jensen
I find the K3 NB to be surprisingly effective.  I also find that 
adjustment is highly dependent on the characteristics of the signal and 
the noise, and the effects of changing those adjustments is subtle.  The 
effect of a blanker on ignition noise was really astounding ... "was," 
because ignition noise seems to be history these days.  I suspect that 
many of the "it doesn't work very well" observations may stem from 
anticipation of a dramatic disappearance of today's noise from 
incidental and unintended radiators with NB on.  My local noise comes 
from the NV Energy power system and an uncountable number of Part 15 
violators in the house and neighborhood.  K3 NB is very effective for me 
against them.


I am a bit sorry that both the IF and DSP blanker parameters are so 
cryptic in the K3.  Depth of the blanking pulse and width of the 
blanking interval are the two "real" parameters involved.  The K3 seems 
to camouflage them which, for me at least, makes them a bit harder to 
adjust properly, I'm not sure what I'm doing when I change them.  
Incidentally, punching holes in the receiver sensitivity to block noise 
pulses is itself introducing noise.  As with everything else in life, 
it's a trade-off.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/3/2017 9:40 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 9/3/2017 9:18 AM, K9MA wrote:

I have never found the K3 noise blanker to be effective.



BTW, the K3 noise blanker uses a filter with a bandwidth of about 100 
kHz.



The K3 NB is really TWO blankers, operating in two different IFs. Each 
can be tweaked for various kinds of noise from the menu system.  
Access the menu by a Long Push of the NB button.


It's important to understand that there are many kinds of noise. Noise 
blankers are most effective on IMPULSE NOISE, which is the result of 
something arcing, usually in the power system, but also electric 
fences and neon signs.


Most of the residential noise we hear today is ELECTRONIC noise, 
generated by switch-mode power supplies and microprocessors. Noise 
blankers must be very different to suppress this sort of noise. The 
menu tweaks provided by the K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2 are very critical to 
making the NB effective on the noise you're experiencing. One size 
does NOT fit all.


73, Jim K9YC 


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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie"

2017-09-03 Thread Ralph McClintock

1Khz accuracy.

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] ToyNTP GPSDO SNTP Server: Unable to listen on Port 123

2017-09-03 Thread MaverickNH
That TCPView is a nice app - it helped me confirm that the Win10 NTP client
was indeed coming back from the dead - not showing in Task Manager Processes
but listening on ntp Port 123. Ending Process with TCPView seems more
effective. Bullet to the head for those Zombie Apps!

Thanks guys!

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[Elecraft] K1 Internal Battery kit

2017-09-03 Thread edward kacura via Elecraft
Thanks for the reply'sI have found a kit !
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[Elecraft] Putting my K2 up for sale

2017-09-03 Thread Bob Brown
Home temporarily in leukemia remission and gotta sell some radios.  The first 
will be a QRP K2.  I'm the 2nd owner and the last time I used it it worked 
great. 

This morning I found the manual and all the paperwork and need to get the list 
of options that are in the radio and post it here. 

I'm just giving a little heads up in case someone is looking for one. Hope 
that's ok that I post this. Admins, feel free to delete this if I need all the 
details first.  I'll hopefully get details together soon.  You can find me on 
QRZ.COM  Member Frankford Radio Club with references. 

Hope everyone is having a great holiday weekend.  I'm still in resting mode but 
go back into hospital for more chemo on the 15th. 

73, Bob KW3F
Lansdale, PA



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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Wes Stewart
I agree. The adjustments are far too many and arcane.  I'm currently plagued 
with powerline noise that has yet to be fixed, although they are supposed to be 
working on it. The K3S blanker is slightly better than useless. When I set it 
aggressive enough to be audibly useful, FT8 decodes multiple signals at 120 Hz 
intervals, which upsets sequencing.


I'm finding that my SDR-IQ that I normally use only as a bandscope, has better 
noise blanking on its demodulated audio than the K3.  Too bad I can't use it 
with WSJT-X.


I suspect, but do not know for sure, (maybe the designer can enlighten us) that 
there is insufficient delay in the (analog) signal path and the noise gets 
through before blanking takes place.


Wes  N7WS



On 9/3/2017 9:18 AM, K9MA wrote:

I have never found the K3 noise blanker to be effective.  On the other hand, in 
side-by-side comparisons, the noise blanker in my old FT-1000D can be very 
effective on my ever present power line noise.  However, like all noise 
blankers of that design, it only works if there are no strong signals within 
many kHz of the operating frequency, so it's completely useless on a crowded 
band.  The only way around this I know of is to use a second receiver, tuned to 
a clear spot nearby, to control the noise blanker.

BTW, the K3 noise blanker uses a filter with a bandwidth of about 100 kHz.  The 
idea is that, in such a wide bandwidth, the amplitude of the noise pulses 
should be large, making them easier to distinguish from signals.  (The FT-1000 
uses something like 15 kHz.)  However, I've never been able to get the K3 NB to 
work, even on a completely dead band.  Under the same conditions, I can often 
get a 20 dB reduction with the other radio.  That I don't understand.  I should 
investigate that sometime.

73,

Scott K9MA

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Re: [Elecraft] MH4 Microphone Questions

2017-09-03 Thread Wayne Burdick

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> I find the MH2 a bit on the large side for my hands, so the MH4 looks 
> interesting to me.  The case appears to be identical to the Icom HM-36,which 
> I use with one of my K2s and find very comfortable to hold.  
> 
> Can anyone confirm that the dimensions match?  

They do. It’s the same size as our MH3, used with the KX2 and KX3.


> 
> Has anyone tried out the MH4 for audio quality yet?

We’ve done a lot of in-house testing of the MH4, and it works great. This isn’t 
surprising given that it’s the same element we used in the MH3.

73,
Wayne
N6KR
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Keith Onishi
In my experience, NR is much better than NB against power line noise. 
However, NR does not work on DATA mode. I use BHI Compact In-line DSP Noise 
Eliminating Module, which is inserted between K3 line out and USB audio module.

For effectively eliminating noise, tuning RF gain and AGC level in addition to 
NB and/or NR would give you better results.

de JH3SIF, Keith


> 2017/09/04 4:38、Wes Stewart  のメール:
> 
> I agree. The adjustments are far too many and arcane.  I'm currently plagued 
> with powerline noise that has yet to be fixed, although they are supposed to 
> be working on it. The K3S blanker is slightly better than useless. When I set 
> it aggressive enough to be audibly useful, FT8 decodes multiple signals at 
> 120 Hz intervals, which upsets sequencing.
> 
> I'm finding that my SDR-IQ that I normally use only as a bandscope, has 
> better noise blanking on its demodulated audio than the K3.  Too bad I can't 
> use it with WSJT-X.
> 
> I suspect, but do not know for sure, (maybe the designer can enlighten us) 
> that there is insufficient delay in the (analog) signal path and the noise 
> gets through before blanking takes place.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/3/2017 9:18 AM, K9MA wrote:
>> I have never found the K3 noise blanker to be effective.  On the other hand, 
>> in side-by-side comparisons, the noise blanker in my old FT-1000D can be 
>> very effective on my ever present power line noise.  However, like all noise 
>> blankers of that design, it only works if there are no strong signals within 
>> many kHz of the operating frequency, so it's completely useless on a crowded 
>> band.  The only way around this I know of is to use a second receiver, tuned 
>> to a clear spot nearby, to control the noise blanker.
>> 
>> BTW, the K3 noise blanker uses a filter with a bandwidth of about 100 kHz.  
>> The idea is that, in such a wide bandwidth, the amplitude of the noise 
>> pulses should be large, making them easier to distinguish from signals.  
>> (The FT-1000 uses something like 15 kHz.)  However, I've never been able to 
>> get the K3 NB to work, even on a completely dead band.  Under the same 
>> conditions, I can often get a 20 dB reduction with the other radio.  That I 
>> don't understand.  I should investigate that sometime.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Scott K9MA
>> 
>> --
>> 
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>> 
>>  
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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie"

2017-09-03 Thread Fred Jensen
Ummm ... my K3 has a tuning "precision" of 1 Hz, repeatable.  It has 
whatever "accuracy" I set when I calibrate it against WWV.


Unfortunately I never had any of the HRO series and only used one a 
couple of time on FD 150 years ago, so I don't know the answer to the 
question.

*
73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County*

On 9/3/2017 11:41 AM, Ralph McClintock wrote:

1Khz accuracy.

W1ZK



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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] ToyNTP GPSDO SNTP Server: Unable to listen on Port 123

2017-09-03 Thread Clay Autery
What Dave said!!!  Windows is notorious for things similar to this.

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On 9/3/2017 8:48 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> More than likely your existing NTP client in Windows has arisen from
> the dead like a zombie, and is starting up at boot time.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 09/03/2017 05:51 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
>> No new apps installed...
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Re: [Elecraft] MH4 Microphone Questions

2017-09-03 Thread Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft
Thanks, Wayne.  Very tempting!

73,
Steve VE3SMA

On Sun, 9/3/17, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

  > Can anyone confirm that the dimensions match?  
 
 They do. It’s the same size as our MH3, used with the KX2 and KX3.
  
 > Has anyone tried out the MH4 for audio quality yet?
 
 We’ve done a lot of in-house testing of the MH4, and it works great. This
 isn’t surprising given that it’s the same element we used in the MH3.
 
 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR
  
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Depending the type of noise, for repetitive pulse type noise only,  the 
Noise Blanker does it job.  Now one must understand that all pulse noise 
is not alike.  Therefore, different values of NB, both with the  IF 
values and with DSP values, will require some adjustments.    If the 
noise is not repetitive then the NB is not the better choice but the NR 
is the better choice.  Again, depending on they type of noise, certain 
combinations of NR values will be necessary.


Yes, that is correct in that the Noise Reduction function is not 
available or can not be activated in the DATA mode.  However the Noise 
Blanker can be used in the DATA mode.   Again, the Noise Blanker is for 
repetitive pulse type noise.


I've spoken with many hams and find their understanding of Noise 
Reduction  being described as often does not work as expected. Further 
discussion seems to indicate they want NENoise Elimination.    
Well, NRNoise Reduction does in fact work when the values are 
selected based on the type of broad noise spectrum being encountered.  
NR has very little effect on pulse type noise.


One fact not clearly understood, is that most hams operate with too much 
RF Gain.   Thus the correct application of ATTENUATION and RF Gain 
reduction will greatly improve receiver performance in the face of noise.


Optimizing receiver gain compared to band noise and the noise floor of 
the receiver is explained in a quote from Rob Sherwood, Sherwood 
Engineering:


"If receiver noise floor is 10 dB below band noise, the receiver is 
contributing less than 0.5 dB of the total noise.
Band noise varies by band over 30 dB, 160-10 meters. It also varies by 
direction and time of day, plus what the sun is doing. In an noisy urban 
environment it is anybody's guess as to your band noise level.
A simple test is to see how much the noise coming out your speaker 
increases when you switch between a dummy load and your antenna, when 
tuned to a dead spot on the band.
Example on 10 meters at my rural QTH, IC-756 Pro III: preamp OFF, noise 
goes up 3 dB. That means the receiver is contributing half the noise. 
Preamp 1 ON, band noise goes up 9.5 dB.   Almost all legacy receivers 
are designed for 10 meters, and attenuation is desirable on the low HF 
bands."


In Rob's first statement, how do we get the band noise to be 10 dB above 
receiver noise?  Use Attenuation and RF  Gain reduction. As an example, 
if receiver noise floor is -130 dBm and the band noise, no signal, is 
S-5 or -97 dBm, the difference being 33 dB. This would then indicate one 
should employ 15 dB of Attenuation and 8 dB of RF Gain reduction.  Or 10 
dB of Attenuation and some 13 dB of RF Gain reduction.   Of course the 
band noise will be comprised of different noise components, depending on 
band and many other factors as he suggests.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/3/2017 3:06 PM, Keith Onishi wrote:

In my experience, NR is much better than NB against power line noise.
However, NR does not work on DATA mode. I use BHI Compact In-line DSP Noise 
Eliminating Module, which is inserted between K3 line out and USB audio module.

For effectively eliminating noise, tuning RF gain and AGC level in addition to 
NB and/or NR would give you better results.

de JH3SIF, Keith



2017/09/04 4:38、Wes Stewart  のメール:

I agree. The adjustments are far too many and arcane.  I'm currently plagued 
with powerline noise that has yet to be fixed, although they are supposed to be 
working on it. The K3S blanker is slightly better than useless. When I set it 
aggressive enough to be audibly useful, FT8 decodes multiple signals at 120 Hz 
intervals, which upsets sequencing.

I'm finding that my SDR-IQ that I normally use only as a bandscope, has better 
noise blanking on its demodulated audio than the K3.  Too bad I can't use it 
with WSJT-X.

I suspect, but do not know for sure, (maybe the designer can enlighten us) that 
there is insufficient delay in the (analog) signal path and the noise gets 
through before blanking takes place.

Wes  N7WS



On 9/3/2017 9:18 AM, K9MA wrote:

I have never found the K3 noise blanker to be effective.  On the other hand, in 
side-by-side comparisons, the noise blanker in my old FT-1000D can be very 
effective on my ever present power line noise.  However, like all noise 
blankers of that design, it only works if there are no strong signals within 
many kHz of the operating frequency, so it's completely useless on a crowded 
band.  The only way around this I know of is to use a second receiver, tuned to 
a clear spot nearby, to control the noise blanker.

BTW, the K3 noise blanker uses a filter with a bandwidth of about 100 kHz.  The 
idea is that, in such a wide bandwidth, the amplitude of the noise pulses 
should be large, making them easier to distinguish from signals.  (The FT-1000 
uses something like 15 kHz.)  However, I've never been able to get the K3 NB to 
work, even on a completely dead band.  Under the same conditions, I can often

Re: [Elecraft] MH4 Microphone Questions

2017-09-03 Thread Phil Hystad
I agree, thanks Wayne and Eric and Elecraft.  In the year that I bought my 
first transmitter, the
MH4 would have cost (if we go backwards on inflation) about $7.25.  That was 
back in 1960.
So, not a bad deal at all, seems very cheap in fact.  Of course, I didn’t need 
a mic for that transmitter back then, my Eico 720 was CW only.

By the way, just ordered the MH4.
> On Sep 3, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Wayne.  Very tempting!
> 
> 73,
> Steve VE3SMA
> 
> On Sun, 9/3/17, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
>> Can anyone confirm that the dimensions match?  
> 
> They do. It’s the same size as our MH3, used with the KX2 and KX3.
> 
>> Has anyone tried out the MH4 for audio quality yet?
> 
> We’ve done a lot of in-house testing of the MH4, and it works great. This
> isn’t surprising given that it’s the same element we used in the MH3.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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[Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Gary Smith
I'm sure this has been asked before but I 
am not finding the solution, the story of 
my life...

I just loaded WSJT-X into the Windows 10 
computer & I have a K3s. I have been 
following the user's guide found here: 
https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K
1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html

I am using LP Bridge to give me a unique 
serial port ( 11 ).

In setting up the radio I have followed (I 
think I have followed) the instructions 
but when I click Test CAT I get a failure. 
I tried selecting the different clickable 
options but have no success, it always 
comes up as a failure. I successfully run 
MMTTY and N1MM with no issues. I am having 
difficulty getting the audio to run from 
the computer but that doesn't seem to 
bother N1MM & MMTTY operation.

After much googling I have resorted to 
asking here for suggestions. 

If there is a user's group that has people 
familiar with WSJT and the K3/K3s that I 
can get info from, that would be better 
than using the bandwidth here.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Wes Stewart

Unfortunately, WSJT-X demands full control of the CAT port.  Been there, done 
that.

Wes  N7WS

On 9/3/2017 2:47 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

I'm sure this has been asked before but I
am not finding the solution, the story of
my life...

I just loaded WSJT-X into the Windows 10
computer & I have a K3s. I have been
following the user's guide found here:
https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K
1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html

I am using LP Bridge to give me a unique
serial port ( 11 ).

In setting up the radio I have followed (I
think I have followed) the instructions
but when I click Test CAT I get a failure.
I tried selecting the different clickable
options but have no success, it always
comes up as a failure. I successfully run
MMTTY and N1MM with no issues. I am having
difficulty getting the audio to run from
the computer but that doesn't seem to
bother N1MM & MMTTY operation.

After much googling I have resorted to
asking here for suggestions.

If there is a user's group that has people
familiar with WSJT and the K3/K3s that I
can get info from, that would be better
than using the bandwidth here.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J


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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Wes Stewart

Just a couple of points.

In the K3(S) there is no "RF Gain" control unless by RF gain you mean "It's not 
the audio gain gain control."


The "RF" gain control operates on the i-f amplifier, which is after the analog 
noise blanker. In this regard, it is little different from AGC, which operates 
on exactly the same circuitry. Why some people believe that they are better at 
controlling i-f gain than the AGC system does is beyond me, but old wife's tales 
die hard.  If this is hard to fathom, watch the S meter as you reduce "RF" 
gain.  The reading increases, no different from letting the AGC do it.


Attenuation is a different matter. It operates at RF and is a viable tool.

About noise blanking, I think I had a little to say about that almost 40 years 
ago: http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Noise_Blanker.pdf


Wes  N7WS



On 9/3/2017 1:48 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
Depending the type of noise, for repetitive pulse type noise only,  the Noise 
Blanker does it job.  Now one must understand that all pulse noise is not 
alike.  Therefore, different values of NB, both with the  IF values and with 
DSP values, will require some adjustments.    If the noise is not repetitive 
then the NB is not the better choice but the NR is the better choice.  Again, 
depending on they type of noise, certain combinations of NR values will be 
necessary.


Yes, that is correct in that the Noise Reduction function is not available or 
can not be activated in the DATA mode.  However the Noise Blanker can be used 
in the DATA mode.   Again, the Noise Blanker is for repetitive pulse type noise.


I've spoken with many hams and find their understanding of Noise Reduction  
being described as often does not work as expected. Further discussion seems 
to indicate they want NENoise Elimination.    Well, NRNoise 
Reduction does in fact work when the values are selected based on the type of 
broad noise spectrum being encountered.  NR has very little effect on pulse 
type noise.


One fact not clearly understood, is that most hams operate with too much RF 
Gain.   Thus the correct application of ATTENUATION and RF Gain reduction will 
greatly improve receiver performance in the face of noise.


Optimizing receiver gain compared to band noise and the noise floor of the 
receiver is explained in a quote from Rob Sherwood, Sherwood Engineering:


"If receiver noise floor is 10 dB below band noise, the receiver is 
contributing less than 0.5 dB of the total noise.
Band noise varies by band over 30 dB, 160-10 meters. It also varies by 
direction and time of day, plus what the sun is doing. In an noisy urban 
environment it is anybody's guess as to your band noise level.
A simple test is to see how much the noise coming out your speaker increases 
when you switch between a dummy load and your antenna, when tuned to a dead 
spot on the band.
Example on 10 meters at my rural QTH, IC-756 Pro III: preamp OFF, noise goes 
up 3 dB. That means the receiver is contributing half the noise. Preamp 1 ON, 
band noise goes up 9.5 dB.   Almost all legacy receivers are designed for 10 
meters, and attenuation is desirable on the low HF bands."


In Rob's first statement, how do we get the band noise to be 10 dB above 
receiver noise?  Use Attenuation and RF  Gain reduction. As an example, if 
receiver noise floor is -130 dBm and the band noise, no signal, is S-5 or -97 
dBm, the difference being 33 dB. This would then indicate one should employ 15 
dB of Attenuation and 8 dB of RF Gain reduction.  Or 10 dB of Attenuation and 
some 13 dB of RF Gain reduction.   Of course the band noise will be comprised 
of different noise components, depending on band and many other factors as he 
suggests.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/3/2017 3:06 PM, Keith Onishi wrote:

In my experience, NR is much better than NB against power line noise.
However, NR does not work on DATA mode. I use BHI Compact In-line DSP Noise 
Eliminating Module, which is inserted between K3 line out and USB audio module.


For effectively eliminating noise, tuning RF gain and AGC level in addition 
to NB and/or NR would give you better results.


de JH3SIF, Keith



2017/09/04 4:38、Wes Stewart  のメール:

I agree. The adjustments are far too many and arcane.  I'm currently plagued 
with powerline noise that has yet to be fixed, although they are supposed to 
be working on it. The K3S blanker is slightly better than useless. When I 
set it aggressive enough to be audibly useful, FT8 decodes multiple signals 
at 120 Hz intervals, which upsets sequencing.


I'm finding that my SDR-IQ that I normally use only as a bandscope, has 
better noise blanking on its demodulated audio than the K3.  Too bad I can't 
use it with WSJT-X.


I suspect, but do not know for sure, (maybe the designer can enlighten us) 
that there is insufficient delay in the (analog) signal path and the noise 
gets through before blanking takes place.


Wes  N7WS



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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie

2017-09-03 Thread Brian & Cyndi

Hi, Doug!

Two questions...

What do you mean by "technical design technique"? Is this referring to 
how the rigs were designed? Or is this a technical "feature" common to 
all their rigs?


And you are suggesting this technique applies to every model of Elecraft 
radios, from the K1 to the KX3?


Having owned both Elecraft rigs and HRO rigs, I am very curious about 
what you are suggesting.


Brian, W6FVI


On 9/3/2017 10:46 AM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote:

For fun- What technical design technique does the National HRO receiver series  
have in common with the Elecraft series of receivers that is unique to both of 
them?  Doug K6JEY
  

  
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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Richard Lamont
On 03/09/17 20:38, Wes Stewart wrote:

> The K3S blanker is slightly better than
> useless. When I set it aggressive enough to be audibly useful, FT8
> decodes multiple signals at 120 Hz intervals, which upsets sequencing.

That's an inevitable consequence of how a noise blanker works.

It removes power line noise by muting reception 120 (or 100) times a
second, corresponding to peaks in the power line voltage when the arcing
occurs.

If you chop an audio tone up at 120 Hz, you are amplitude modulating the
tone with a 120 Hz waveform. That produces sidebands either side of the
tone 'carrier'. This is why you should never use a noise blanker with
FT8 and similar modes.

The best way to use a rig with WSJT-X is, generally speaking, to make
the computer do as much as possible and make the rig do as little as
possible. Treat it more or less as a dumb transverter. Don't use the
noise blanker, don't reduce the bandwidth below about 2.5 kHz, don't use
the notch filter. WSJT-X's decoder works best if you just get the level
about right and let it deal with the QRM.

73,
Richard G4DYA
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Re: [Elecraft] MH4 Microphone Questions

2017-09-03 Thread Bill Johnson
Wayne, will you offer a mic adapter to also use with KX@ and KX3?

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 3:05 PM
To: Steve Kavanagh 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MH4 Microphone Questions


> On Sep 3, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> I find the MH2 a bit on the large side for my hands, so the MH4 looks 
> interesting to me.  The case appears to be identical to the Icom HM-36,which 
> I use with one of my K2s and find very comfortable to hold.  
> 
> Can anyone confirm that the dimensions match?  

They do. It’s the same size as our MH3, used with the KX2 and KX3.


> 
> Has anyone tried out the MH4 for audio quality yet?

We’ve done a lot of in-house testing of the MH4, and it works great. This isn’t 
surprising given that it’s the same element we used in the MH3.

73,
Wayne
N6KR
 

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Re: [Elecraft] MH4 Microphone Questions

2017-09-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

I would suggest that it would be much easier to create an adapter for 
the MH3 to an 8 pin Foster plug - an 8 pin Foster jack to a 3.5mm plug 
would be quite cumbersome and clumsy in comparison to the size and 
portability of the KX2/KX3.  The PTT connection would be easy (PTT goes 
to ground), but if you also wanted the UP and DN buttons to work, you 
would have to add some level sensing circuitry whose outputs would be 
connected to the UP and down input pins on the Foster connector.


Look at the schematic of the KX2/KX3 mic connections and compare the 
output to the pinout of the K3(S) mic connector and you will see the 
difficulty.


So I think the adapter that you have suggested would not be practical 
for the KX2/KX3.


73,
Don W3FPR

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Wayne, will you offer a mic adapter to also use with KX@ and KX3?

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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
The advantage of controlling the gain manually is not an "old wife's tale". 
Rather, it's clearly just a technique that is not for everyone. 

AGC will reduce the gain according to the strongest signal inside the I.F. 
passband. Manually riding the "RF" gain ensures that a very weak signal is not 
affected by a strong signal that is also inside the I.F. passband. Of course 
that means your ears could be blasted by that strong signal, which is why Wayne 
included a hard limiter that can be enabled to chop such a signal down to size, 
making it no louder than the weak signal we want to copy. 

It has become a moot point for many operators today who cannot read CW if they 
are hearing two or three (or more) signals within the I.F. passband all at the 
same time. For them, it's essential to have enough I.F. selectivity to isolate 
one signal and so AGC is just fine. 

But some of us have a lifetime of experience sorting out multiple signals with 
our gray matter between the ears and prefer to continue to do so -- probably 
until we all become SKs. 

73, Ron AC7AC

 

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 3:00 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

Just a couple of points.

In the K3(S) there is no "RF Gain" control unless by RF gain you mean "It's not 
the audio gain gain control."

The "RF" gain control operates on the i-f amplifier, which is after the analog 
noise blanker. In this regard, it is little different from AGC, which operates 
on exactly the same circuitry. Why some people believe that they are better at 
controlling i-f gain than the AGC system does is beyond me, but old wife's 
tales die hard.  If this is hard to fathom, watch the S meter as you reduce 
"RF" 
gain.  The reading increases, no different from letting the AGC do it.

Attenuation is a different matter. It operates at RF and is a viable tool.

About noise blanking, I think I had a little to say about that almost 40 years
ago: http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Noise_Blanker.pdf

Wes  N7WS

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Re: [Elecraft] MH4 Microphone Questions

2017-09-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

Steve,

Since the microphone element is the same as that used in the MH2 and MH3 
microphones, I would expect the same audio quality.


Yes, the dimensions are the same as the Icom HM-36.  I just compared 
them at the Shelby, NC hamfest.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/3/2017 9:09 AM, Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft wrote:



Has anyone tried out the MH4 for audio quality yet?

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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie

2017-09-03 Thread Phil Kane
On 9/3/2017 10:46 AM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote:

> For fun- What technical design technique does the National HRO
> receiver series  have in common with the Elecraft series of receivers
> that is unique to both of them?

Well, I have owned both of them (HRO-Jr. 1952-64. K2 2006 - present).
Never really appreciated the HRO until it was gone.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] Re Humming KPA

2017-09-03 Thread Norm Lee
Hi, have you tried putting a ferrite "barrel" over the cord?  May work.
Norm vk5gi
McLaren Vale
South Australia

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Ted Edwards W3TB
I will be very interested to see what develops in this thread.  Thanks to
all of you!

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:

> Unfortunately, WSJT-X demands full control of the CAT port.  Been there,
> done that.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
>
> On 9/3/2017 2:47 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
>
>> I'm sure this has been asked before but I
>> am not finding the solution, the story of
>> my life...
>>
>> I just loaded WSJT-X into the Windows 10
>> computer & I have a K3s. I have been
>> following the user's guide found here:
>> https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K
>> 1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html
>>
>> I am using LP Bridge to give me a unique
>> serial port ( 11 ).
>>
>> In setting up the radio I have followed (I
>> think I have followed) the instructions
>> but when I click Test CAT I get a failure.
>> I tried selecting the different clickable
>> options but have no success, it always
>> comes up as a failure. I successfully run
>> MMTTY and N1MM with no issues. I am having
>> difficulty getting the audio to run from
>> the computer but that doesn't seem to
>> bother N1MM & MMTTY operation.
>>
>> After much googling I have resorted to
>> asking here for suggestions.
>>
>> If there is a user's group that has people
>> familiar with WSJT and the K3/K3s that I
>> can get info from, that would be better
>> than using the bandwidth here.
>>
>> Thanks & 73,
>>
>> Gary
>> KA1J
>>
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-- 
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and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."
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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie

2017-09-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

Doug,

Actually, I have no idea of what you are referring to.  The HRO 
receivers have the large dial which at that time provided good dial 
reading vs. frequency readings.  That was done with a chart of frequency 
vs. dial number, and with Elecraft gear, that is done in firmware with 
the display showing the actual frequency without reference to a graph.
There is a crystal filter in the HRO, but it is not like the filters in 
the Elecraft gear - in those old days, you had to adjust the crystal 
phasing to peak the signal and it was only useful for CW.


I don't know which HRO receiver you are referring to.  There is a big 
difference between them, culminating with the HRO50.  My experience with 
National receivers goes back to the NC-100 which was the predecessor to 
the HRO series, and has the bandswitching system of the NC-240D (I still 
have it in the attic - a restoration project for "someday-maybe", but it 
may never actually happen).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/3/2017 1:46 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote:

For fun- What technical design technique does the National HRO receiver series  
have in common with the Elecraft series of receivers that is unique to both of 
them?  Doug K6JEY

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report

2017-09-03 Thread kev...@coho.net
Twenty meters was more open than it has been in months.  I had strong 
signals from all over and weak signals from even more places.  The band 
was moving quickly though.  I'd start off hearing an S7 station only to 
close with an S2 signal.  QSB was on all reports to me but only on a few 
from my end.  It ranged from a fast flutter to a slow ocean wave.  Noise 
came in a variety of types too.  Whistlers, to walls of moving static, 
to a steady hiss followed by the crackle of storms.


  On 14049.5 kHz:

NO8V - John - MI

WOCZ - Ken - ND

AB9V - Mike - IN

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6XK - Roy - IA

AC5P - Mike - OK


  On 7045 kHz:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

WM5F - Dwight - ID

The smoke is steady, the heat is too, send rain, please.

    73,

 Kevin.  KD5ONS

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[Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Luther Phillips

My software setup with a K3S, LP-Pan, and Asus U5 is as follows:

LP-Bridge creating virtual ports for:

NaP3
CW Skimmer
Ham Radio Deluxe (last free version, 5.0 Build 2893, using the Logbook as my 
main log)

N1MM or WriteLog for contests

Note that HRD versions newer than about 6.2 will not work with LP-Bridge.

I am able to run WSJT-X  V1.8 rc2 & JT Alert by selecting Ham Radio Deluxe 
as the radio in WSJT-X, which connects it to the HRD server port. Sometimes 
changing bands from WSJT-X takes two tries, but otherwise it works fine, 
even in split TX mode. I'm also using the USB sound card in the K3S for the 
audio in to WSJT-X. Works great, I've seen decodes down to -26 to -28 in 
JT65 & JT9.


JT Alert automatically sends the info for each contact to HRD Logbook when 
the 73 message is sent, or you can send it manually.


If you haven't upgraded WSJT-X to the new 1.8 rc2 version, you should do so 
if you are using it for FT8. There are a number of significant FT8 
improvements in rc2.


There is a WSJT-X user group on Yahoo.

Win4K3 also provides virtual ports and a HRD server port, maybe WSJT-X would 
connect to its HRD server. I have not tried that method.


Hope this is of some help.

73,
Luther N4UW 


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[Elecraft] K3 Jumps To High Output In Data Mode During Power Knob Rotation

2017-09-03 Thread Bud Governale, W3LL
The K3 mode button is set to DATA and the transmit mode is DATA A.

As I adjust the power output (PWR) knob during continuous transmit, the 
measured output displayed on the Power Master jumps to a high level.
As an experiment, If the output is at a steady 40 W for example, when I 
slowly and continuously rotate the PWR knob, the output jumps to 150+ watts 
output during rotation of the PWR knob.
As soon as I stop rotating the PWR knob the output is steady at the chosen 
output.

If I choose a different power output during receive, the output is momentarily 
very high and then drops to the selected output – Overshoot.
No Overshoot if I don’t change the PWR knob.

This is causing havoc with the amp.

Out of curiosity I tried this in CW mode. In CW when I turn the PWR knob 
during a continuous transmit, the output does not jump to a high level but 
rather it follows the PWR knob setting smoothly.

What may be the issue?

73,

Bud W3LL
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[Elecraft] What technical similarity do HRO receivers and Elecraft receivers share that is unique? - Answer

2017-09-03 Thread Doug Millar via Elecraft
Hi Don and others-   Ok.Here is my answer-  I don't think I am far off by 
saying that the unique similarity it is in using switched components to effect 
frequency coverage of the same tuning coil. In the HRO they had clips you could 
change over to go to "bandspread" mode on each coil assembly, Elecraft uses 
relays (switches) to change capacitor values in their bandpass filters so that 
the same assembly can cover two ranges. Essentially the same thing. I don't 
think any other companies have used this technique as extensively as National 
and Elecraft. 
    Your opinion may vary.    Doug
 Dr.Doug Millar EdD.
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report errata

2017-09-03 Thread kev...@coho.net

Between K0DTJ & K6XK there should be a line with

K4JPN - Steve - GA

Whoops.

   Kevin.


On 9/3/2017 5:25 PM, kev...@coho.net wrote:
Twenty meters was more open than it has been in months.  I had strong 
signals from all over and weak signals from even more places.  The 
band was moving quickly though.  I'd start off hearing an S7 station 
only to close with an S2 signal.  QSB was on all reports to me but 
only on a few from my end.  It ranged from a fast flutter to a slow 
ocean wave.  Noise came in a variety of types too.  Whistlers, to 
walls of moving static, to a steady hiss followed by the crackle of 
storms.


  On 14049.5 kHz:

NO8V - John - MI

WOCZ - Ken - ND

AB9V - Mike - IN

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6XK - Roy - IA

AC5P - Mike - OK


  On 7045 kHz:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

WM5F - Dwight - ID

The smoke is steady, the heat is too, send rain, please.

    73,

 Kevin.  KD5ONS

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Connect the K3S direct to a USB port on the computer.   Most likely LP 
Bridge is causing the issues.    Also If you experience issues with 
WSJT-X  V1.8 I have found it must be installed in its own directory 
under C:// and not into a program directory.    It will make its own 
directory by default.


I'm very successfully using WSJT-X v1.8,0-RC1 with Windows 10 and my 
K3S.   If you need screen shots, I'll be glad to make available.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/3/2017 4:47 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

I'm sure this has been asked before but I
am not finding the solution, the story of
my life...

I just loaded WSJT-X into the Windows 10
computer & I have a K3s. I have been
following the user's guide found here:
https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K
1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html

I am using LP Bridge to give me a unique
serial port ( 11 ).

In setting up the radio I have followed (I
think I have followed) the instructions
but when I click Test CAT I get a failure.
I tried selecting the different clickable
options but have no success, it always
comes up as a failure. I successfully run
MMTTY and N1MM with no issues. I am having
difficulty getting the audio to run from
the computer but that doesn't seem to
bother N1MM & MMTTY operation.

After much googling I have resorted to
asking here for suggestions.

If there is a user's group that has people
familiar with WSJT and the K3/K3s that I
can get info from, that would be better
than using the bandwidth here.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Gary Smith
I am likely missing something. I can not 
seemingly get any communication between 
the software and the radio.

Here is a screenshot of my latest attempt 
and the error message.

http://doctorgary.net/WSJT-1.8-radio.jpg

I have tried (I think) all the 
permutations in this screen and CAT is a 
failure.

In the Audio tab I have Input as:
Microphone (2-USB Audio CODEC)
Output as
Speakers (2-USB Audio CODEC)

General & main
http://doctorgary.net/WSJT-1.8-General.jpg

It has to be simple and obvious but so far 
it's clear as mud. I'm trying to swim 
upstream.  ;)

73,

Gary
KA1J


> I do not understand the need for extra stuff. I have run wsjt-x with
> my K3S and single USB cable using DTR and RTS for CW and  PTT and
> using the built in sound. 
> 
> Be sure and sync clock with internet before trying to do anything with
> JT modes. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Gary Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > I'm sure this has been asked before but I 
> > am not finding the solution, the story of 
> > my life...
> > 
> > I just loaded WSJT-X into the Windows 10 
> > computer & I have a K3s. I have been 
> > following the user's guide found here: 
> > https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K
> > 1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html
> > 
> > I am using LP Bridge to give me a unique 
> > serial port ( 11 ).
> > 
> > In setting up the radio I have followed (I 
> > think I have followed) the instructions 
> > but when I click Test CAT I get a failure. 
> > I tried selecting the different clickable 
> > options but have no success, it always 
> > comes up as a failure. I successfully run 
> > MMTTY and N1MM with no issues. I am having 
> > difficulty getting the audio to run from 
> > the computer but that doesn't seem to 
> > bother N1MM & MMTTY operation.
> > 
> > After much googling I have resorted to 
> > asking here for suggestions. 
> > 
> > If there is a user's group that has people 
> > familiar with WSJT and the K3/K3s that I 
> > can get info from, that would be better 
> > than using the bandwidth here.
> > 
> > Thanks & 73,
> > 
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Gary Smith
Bob,

Because of logistics, I can't connect the 
K3s to the computer directly, I am using a 
powered USB hub. That shouldn't be an 
issue, if I halt  LP-Bridge (which stops 
control of my logging software), I can use 
the K3 & P3 utilities.

I did try closing LP-Bridge and running 
WSJT alone (changing the port to 8 which 
is what the K3s is identified with) but I 
had similar results. 

I have tried the different settings in K3s 
config under PTT-KEY but that hasn't 
helped either.

I really hate to take up a lot of 
bandwidth on the reflector lest it become 
an overload & the thread becomes closed. 
OTOH, for those that want to use their K3s 
with this program and are not getting it 
to work, this thread may help them as 
well.

73,

Gary KA1J

> Connect the K3S direct to a USB port on the computer.   Most likely
> LP Bridge is causing the issues.    Also If you experience issues
> with WSJT-X  V1.8 I have found it must be installed in its own
> directory under C:// and not into a program directory.    It will
> make its own directory by default.
> 
> I'm very successfully using WSJT-X v1.8,0-RC1 with Windows 10 and my
> K3S.   If you need screen shots, I'll be glad to make available.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 9/3/2017 4:47 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > I'm sure this has been asked before but I
> > am not finding the solution, the story of
> > my life...
> >
> > I just loaded WSJT-X into the Windows 10
> > computer & I have a K3s. I have been
> > following the user's guide found here:
> > https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K
> > 1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html
> >
> > I am using LP Bridge to give me a unique
> > serial port ( 11 ).
> >
> > In setting up the radio I have followed (I
> > think I have followed) the instructions
> > but when I click Test CAT I get a failure.
> > I tried selecting the different clickable
> > options but have no success, it always
> > comes up as a failure. I successfully run
> > MMTTY and N1MM with no issues. I am having
> > difficulty getting the audio to run from
> > the computer but that doesn't seem to
> > bother N1MM & MMTTY operation.
> >
> > After much googling I have resorted to
> > asking here for suggestions.
> >
> > If there is a user's group that has people
> > familiar with WSJT and the K3/K3s that I
> > can get info from, that would be better
> > than using the bandwidth here.
> >
> > Thanks & 73,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Randy Farmer

Try turning off Hardware Handshake.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 9/3/2017 8:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

I am likely missing something. I can not
seemingly get any communication between
the software and the radio.

Here is a screenshot of my latest attempt
and the error message.

http://doctorgary.net/WSJT-1.8-radio.jpg

I have tried (I think) all the
permutations in this screen and CAT is a
failure.

In the Audio tab I have Input as:
Microphone (2-USB Audio CODEC)
Output as
Speakers (2-USB Audio CODEC)

General & main
http://doctorgary.net/WSJT-1.8-General.jpg

It has to be simple and obvious but so far
it's clear as mud. I'm trying to swim
upstream.  ;)

73,

Gary
KA1J



I do not understand the need for extra stuff. I have run wsjt-x with
my K3S and single USB cable using DTR and RTS for CW and  PTT and
using the built in sound.

Be sure and sync clock with internet before trying to do anything with
JT modes.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Sep 3, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Gary Smith  wrote:

I'm sure this has been asked before but I
am not finding the solution, the story of
my life...

I just loaded WSJT-X into the Windows 10
computer & I have a K3s. I have been
following the user's guide found here:
https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K
1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html

I am using LP Bridge to give me a unique
serial port ( 11 ).

In setting up the radio I have followed (I
think I have followed) the instructions
but when I click Test CAT I get a failure.
I tried selecting the different clickable
options but have no success, it always
comes up as a failure. I successfully run
MMTTY and N1MM with no issues. I am having
difficulty getting the audio to run from
the computer but that doesn't seem to
bother N1MM & MMTTY operation.

After much googling I have resorted to
asking here for suggestions.

If there is a user's group that has people
familiar with WSJT and the K3/K3s that I
can get info from, that would be better
than using the bandwidth here.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie

2017-09-03 Thread Alan

An accurate S meter?

On 09/03/2017 10:46 AM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote:

> For fun- What technical design technique does the National HRO
> receiver series have in common with the Elecraft series of receivers
> that is unique to both of them?  Doug K6JEY
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Re: [Elecraft] What technical similarity do HRO receivers and Elecraft receivers share that is unique? - Answer

2017-09-03 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
In the HRO-7 coil sets (that I had) they were screws that changed the 
connections. 

It was a fun thought experiment for those of us who had HRO receivers. 

I miss my HRO but mine came to me from W6HUA - Field Gray who was Jack Webb's 
art direction on the original Dragnet TV shows and well as the feature length 
movies "The DI" and "Pete Kelly's Blues"). I met Field on 80 meters and he said 
he'd sell me his HRO IF I promised that if I needed the cash back he'd buy it 
from me. In College that happened and he took it back for the $100 I paid for 
it (about $15 in today's money). I was just starting college and some months 
later he left it at my Mother's home. I then found out he had become an SK from 
cancer. 

Decades later another young fellow used to spend hours in my shack listening to 
it. Eventually I turned it over to him, no charge because that is what I paid, 
with the same conditions. 

That made it a great receiver, no matter how good it was or was not by today's 
standards. 

That's the Ham radio I grew up in. Most gear was passed onto the next 
generation with no idea of profit. The price we paid was what it was worth to 
us for the enjoyment we gained from it.  

73, Ron AC7AC

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Millar via Elecraft
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 5:46 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] What technical similarity do HRO receivers and Elecraft 
receivers share that is unique? - Answer

Hi Don and others-   Ok.Here is my answer-  I don't think I am far off by 
saying that the unique similarity it is in using switched components to effect 
frequency coverage of the same tuning coil. In the HRO they had clips you could 
change over to go to "bandspread" mode on each coil assembly, Elecraft uses 
relays (switches) to change capacitor values in their bandpass filters so that 
the same assembly can cover two ranges. Essentially the same thing. I don't 
think any other companies have used this technique as extensively as National 
and Elecraft. 
Your opinion may vary.Doug
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Geoff Allsup
I'd also set SPLIT to NONE and then restart everything. And be sure the radio 
is turned on before starting WSJT



Sent from my iPhone

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> On Sep 3, 2017, at 21:37, Randy Farmer  wrote:
> 
> Try turning off Hardware Handshake.
> 
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
> 
>> On 9/3/2017 8:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
>> I am likely missing something. I can not
>> seemingly get any communication between
>> the software and the radio.
>> 
>> Here is a screenshot of my latest attempt
>> and the error message.
>> 
>> http://doctorgary.net/WSJT-1.8-radio.jpg
>> 
>> I have tried (I think) all the
>> permutations in this screen and CAT is a
>> failure.
>> 
>> In the Audio tab I have Input as:
>> Microphone (2-USB Audio CODEC)
>> Output as
>> Speakers (2-USB Audio CODEC)
>> 
>> General & main
>> http://doctorgary.net/WSJT-1.8-General.jpg
>> 
>> It has to be simple and obvious but so far
>> it's clear as mud. I'm trying to swim
>> upstream.  ;)
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Gary
>> KA1J
>> 
>> 
>>> I do not understand the need for extra stuff. I have run wsjt-x with
>>> my K3S and single USB cable using DTR and RTS for CW and  PTT and
>>> using the built in sound.
>>> 
>>> Be sure and sync clock with internet before trying to do anything with
>>> JT modes.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Gary Smith  wrote:
 
 I'm sure this has been asked before but I
 am not finding the solution, the story of
 my life...
 
 I just loaded WSJT-X into the Windows 10
 computer & I have a K3s. I have been
 following the user's guide found here:
 https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K
 1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html
 
 I am using LP Bridge to give me a unique
 serial port ( 11 ).
 
 In setting up the radio I have followed (I
 think I have followed) the instructions
 but when I click Test CAT I get a failure.
 I tried selecting the different clickable
 options but have no success, it always
 comes up as a failure. I successfully run
 MMTTY and N1MM with no issues. I am having
 difficulty getting the audio to run from
 the computer but that doesn't seem to
 bother N1MM & MMTTY operation.
 
 After much googling I have resorted to
 asking here for suggestions.
 
 If there is a user's group that has people
 familiar with WSJT and the K3/K3s that I
 can get info from, that would be better
 than using the bandwidth here.
 
 Thanks & 73,
 
 Gary
 KA1J
 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread donovanf
Hi Gary, 


Suggest you redirect your questions to the WSTJ reflector, 
you'll find much experience there and many willing helpers. 


wsjtgr...@yahoogroups.com 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 


- Original Message -

From: "Gary Smith"  
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:19:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s 

I am likely missing something. I can not 
seemingly get any communication between 
the software and the radio. 

Here is a screenshot of my latest attempt 
and the error message. 

http://doctorgary.net/WSJT-1.8-radio.jpg 

I have tried (I think) all the 
permutations in this screen and CAT is a 
failure. 

In the Audio tab I have Input as: 
Microphone (2-USB Audio CODEC) 
Output as 
Speakers (2-USB Audio CODEC) 

General & main 
http://doctorgary.net/WSJT-1.8-General.jpg 

It has to be simple and obvious but so far 
it's clear as mud. I'm trying to swim 
upstream. ;) 

73, 

Gary 
KA1J 


> I do not understand the need for extra stuff. I have run wsjt-x with 
> my K3S and single USB cable using DTR and RTS for CW and PTT and 
> using the built in sound. 
> 
> Be sure and sync clock with internet before trying to do anything with 
> JT modes. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> ...nr4c. bill 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Gary Smith  wrote: 
> > 
> > I'm sure this has been asked before but I 
> > am not finding the solution, the story of 
> > my life... 
> > 
> > I just loaded WSJT-X into the Windows 10 
> > computer & I have a K3s. I have been 
> > following the user's guide found here: 
> > https://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K 
> > 1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html 
> > 
> > I am using LP Bridge to give me a unique 
> > serial port ( 11 ). 
> > 
> > In setting up the radio I have followed (I 
> > think I have followed) the instructions 
> > but when I click Test CAT I get a failure. 
> > I tried selecting the different clickable 
> > options but have no success, it always 
> > comes up as a failure. I successfully run 
> > MMTTY and N1MM with no issues. I am having 
> > difficulty getting the audio to run from 
> > the computer but that doesn't seem to 
> > bother N1MM & MMTTY operation. 
> > 
> > After much googling I have resorted to 
> > asking here for suggestions. 
> > 
> > If there is a user's group that has people 
> > familiar with WSJT and the K3/K3s that I 
> > can get info from, that would be better 
> > than using the bandwidth here. 
> > 
> > Thanks & 73, 
> > 
> > Gary 
> > KA1J 
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Re: [Elecraft] What technical similarity do HRO receivers and Elecraft receivers share that is unique? - Answer

2017-09-03 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
The Hallicrafters SX-73 used three selectable fixed very low value resistors to 
alter the Q and hence, the passband of three IF stages.

Does this qualify?

73, Charlie k3ICH


If you happen to own one, I'd strongly suggest checking these resistors.  I 
have two radios in for restoration, where the resistors were off by as much as 
a factor of 3 which completely screwed up the alignment.

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Millar via Elecraft
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:46 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: [Elecraft] What technical similarity do HRO receivers and Elecraft 
receivers share that is unique? - Answer

Hi Don and others-   Ok.Here is my answer-  I don't think I am far off by 
saying that the unique similarity it is in using switched components to effect 
frequency coverage of the same tuning coil. In the HRO they had clips you could 
change over to go to "bandspread" mode on each coil assembly, Elecraft uses 
relays (switches) to change capacitor values in their bandpass filters so that 
the same assembly can cover two ranges. Essentially the same thing. I don't 
think any other companies have used this technique as extensively as National 
and Elecraft. 
Your opinion may vary.Doug
 Dr.Doug Millar EdD.
K6JEY
drzarko...@yahoo.com
562 810 3989  cell/text

 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - WSJT-X & K3s

2017-09-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

Gary,

I cannot speak to your problems about the communications between WSJT-X 
and the K3S.


But once you have solved that remember that the instructions in the 
WSJT-X help file are not correct for the K3S (or other Elecraft radios). 
 You must drive the audio to 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar 
flashing.  Set the desired power with the power knob.


Elecraft radios are different than other ham transceivers in how they 
control the power.  Do not attempt to use the audio level to control the 
power output - that will create a condition affectionately known as 
"power hunting".


The same is true for all soundcard digital modes.  Follow the 
instructions in the Elecraft manuals and ignore the internet advice.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/3/2017 9:19 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

I am likely missing something. I can not
seemingly get any communication between
the software and the radio.


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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie"

2017-09-03 Thread Vic Rosenthal
I racked my brain on this (I had an HRO) and the only thing I can think of is 
that they both have a sort of digital display.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 3 Sep 2017, at 23:12, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Ummm ... my K3 has a tuning "precision" of 1 Hz, repeatable.  It has whatever 
> "accuracy" I set when I calibrate it against WWV.
> 
> Unfortunately I never had any of the HRO series and only used one a couple of 
> time on FD 150 years ago, so I don't know the answer to the question.
> *
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County*
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver Similaritie"

2017-09-03 Thread Brian Denley
The HRO 500 was my dream receiver as a young guy but unaffordable for a 
teenager.  That one had a digital display and was all solid state.  Around 1967 
or so.  The old building that housed the National Radio plant is still there 
about a mile from where I live.

Brian Denley
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> On Sep 4, 2017, at 12:32 AM, Vic Rosenthal  wrote:
> 
> I racked my brain on this (I had an HRO) and the only thing I can think of is 
> that they both have a sort of digital display.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 3 Sep 2017, at 23:12, Fred Jensen  wrote:
>> 
>> Ummm ... my K3 has a tuning "precision" of 1 Hz, repeatable.  It has 
>> whatever "accuracy" I set when I calibrate it against WWV.
>> 
>> Unfortunately I never had any of the HRO series and only used one a couple 
>> of time on FD 150 years ago, so I don't know the answer to the question.
>> *
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County*
>> 
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[Elecraft] HRO Story

2017-09-03 Thread Doug Millar via Elecraft
Hi Ron, What a great story- the soul of ham radio. I had similar similar 
experiences.  Fellow hams gave me stuff or sold it for little, just to give me 
the experience of getting on the air. I hope that that still happens.  I am 
involved with the microwavers both terrestrial and EME and that spirit is 
strong. Part of it is that if we don't get others on, say 5Ghz, there is no one 
else to talk with. There is more to it, though. I think it has to do with how 
it feels to have your first QSO or DX, or whatever gets you excited, and 
wanting others to have the same experience. 
   You are right about the early HRO's, it was a screw change that changed the 
bandwidth and developed into the funny butterfly swivel. Very similar idea.  
I'd like to think that Elecraft designers had a similar approach to the guys 
who developed the HRO and ACS with their economy of parts and innovative and 
careful engineering- separated by 60years or so.  
    Thanks for responding and for you story. Doug
 
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