[Elecraft] K3 KDVR
I recently installed the KDVR in my K3 and used it over the weekend during the CQ WW contest. In a word, it worked GREAT!!! I submitted the commands from N1MM and with its ESM feature it worked flawlessly. Since I was SP in the contest only two message were needed - Call and Exchange. Starting out in the contest I decided to increase the tempo of the messages a couple of times and it was so easy and took only seconds to change. No mic to the PC, no PC sound cards, no audio cables, etc. I'm very pleased with the KDVR and even have my voice on Monday morning! And the K3/KPA500 worked pretty well too... ;-) 73, Mitch WD0ECO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-KDVR-tp7564750.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 KDVR Macros (was Best add on for K3)
AB1OD said I would be extremely interested in seeing what the CAT commands or N1MM macros look like if both banks are in use. I use the basic macro format shown here http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3courtesy of N6ML. I don't have access to Iain's mc file (that's the N1MM macros, for those unfamiliar with N1MM) at the moment so I don't know if it shows use of the second bank or not. If not, maybe be Iain has looked at the use of the second bank of memories? 73, Barry K6RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR Macros (was Best add on for K3)
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR Macros (was Best add on for K3)
Sorry about the link. The following word got caught in it. Should be just http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3courtesy 73, Barry AB1OD said I would be extremely interested in seeing what the CAT commands or N1MM macros look like if both banks are in use. I use the basic macro format shown here http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3courtesy of N6ML. I don't have access to Iain's mc file (that's the N1MM macros, for those unfamiliar with N1MM) at the moment so I don't know if it shows use of the second bank or not. If not, maybe be Iain has looked at the use of the second bank of memories? 73, Barry K6RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR Macros (was Best add on for K3)
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR Macros (was Best add on for K3)
There are actually two links there. The first part works. The second part is broken. - 73, Stan - KR7C -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-KDVR-Macros-was-Best-add-on-for-K3-tp7556500p7556527.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Sam, I take it that reading is not one of your strong suits. Sorry just couldn't resist. Have a great day 73 Jack KZ5A K3 #4165 On 11/22/2010 1:41 PM, Sam Morgan wrote: it's already there hold down the left side of the BAND switch until you see the VOX indicator go off sorry just couldn't resist have a great day GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan On 11/22/2010 10:27 AM, Jack Brabham wrote: I have a highly intelligent VOX system that always does what I want, when I want, it's called a foot-switch. You can hear good examples of VOX operation by monitoring 14.070, hardly an hour goes by without hearing someones dog barking, kids yelling, or an incoming honey-do request. I'd vote for a CONFIG option to completely disable VOX in SSB so I don't accidentally turn it on when using the band switch, as has happened a few times. 73 Jack KZ5A K3 #4165 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
I have a highly intelligent VOX system that always does what I want, when I want, it's called a foot-switch. You can hear good examples of VOX operation by monitoring 14.070, hardly an hour goes by without hearing someones dog barking, kids yelling, or an incoming honey-do request. I'd vote for a CONFIG option to completely disable VOX in SSB so I don't accidentally turn it on when using the band switch, as has happened a few times. 73 Jack KZ5A K3 #4165 On 11/16/2010 11:55 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: It is handy in the event that the wrong message is being sent to interrupt and over ride using voice input just as it is useful to be able to interrupt a CW message with a simple tap of the paddle. I find this especially true in contests. However the point about taking a slurp of coffee is a good one. We need an intelligent VOX system. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: 16 November 2010 17:44 To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? That is specifically why I would not want the VOX to interrupt the KDVR. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
it's already there hold down the left side of the BAND switch until you see the VOX indicator go off sorry just couldn't resist have a great day GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan On 11/22/2010 10:27 AM, Jack Brabham wrote: I have a highly intelligent VOX system that always does what I want, when I want, it's called a foot-switch. You can hear good examples of VOX operation by monitoring 14.070, hardly an hour goes by without hearing someones dog barking, kids yelling, or an incoming honey-do request. I'd vote for a CONFIG option to completely disable VOX in SSB so I don't accidentally turn it on when using the band switch, as has happened a few times. 73 Jack KZ5A K3 #4165 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Tnx Lyle for the info. I am not saying this is a bug, but it would be nice if the KDVR wasn't interrupted if you break VOX while it is transmitting. You can talk to someone else in the shack while the recorded message is playing. Kind of got spoiled using the recorder in N1MM which doesn't interrupt the playback of a recorded message unless you hit ESC. Using the KDVR is a simpler hookup with programming the F1-F4 keys in N1MM rather than using the pc's audio card and less chance of feedback, hum and other potential issues. 73, N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lyle Johnson Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:23 PM To: Barry Pfeil Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? Yes. The DVR is after MIC GAIN and before filtering/processing, so it records based on the mic gain setting, and plays back to the system at that same exact level. 73, Lyle KK7P ...In other words, changing the MIC gain during playback does NOT affect then playback level. However, the DVR evidently stores UNCOMPRESSED audio because the compression DOES vary directly with the COMP control during DVR playback. Again, is this normal/expected? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. 73, Lyle KK7P Tnx Lyle for the info. I am not saying this is a bug, but it would be nice if the KDVR wasn't interrupted if you break VOX while it is transmitting. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Well, that eliminates using the K3 with VOX in the manner I described for speaking the first (variable) part of a contest exchange and using the DVR for the second (fixed) part as in Sweepstakes. MY logic says that if the DVR can start while PTT is activated by the footswitch it should do the same when the PTT is activated by the VOX. I hate to suggest it, but maybe this could be one more option on the DVR operation? 73, Barry K6RM - Original Message From: Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com To: N2TK, Tony tony@verizon.net Cc: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net; Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 4:40:22 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. 73, Lyle KK7P Tnx Lyle for the info. I am not saying this is a bug, but it would be nice if the KDVR wasn't interrupted if you break VOX while it is transmitting. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
That is specifically why I would not want the VOX to interrupt the KDVR. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
It is handy in the event that the wrong message is being sent to interrupt and over ride using voice input just as it is useful to be able to interrupt a CW message with a simple tap of the paddle. I find this especially true in contests. However the point about taking a slurp of coffee is a good one. We need an intelligent VOX system. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: 16 November 2010 17:44 To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? That is specifically why I would not want the VOX to interrupt the KDVR. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
How about being able to set it up like N1MM cancels the voice announcement - use the ESC key? Or if you hit the same F key again before the KDVR is done it stops sending? N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: Doug Turnbull [mailto:turnb...@net1.ie] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:55 PM To: 'N2TK, Tony'; j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? It is handy in the event that the wrong message is being sent to interrupt and over ride using voice input just as it is useful to be able to interrupt a CW message with a simple tap of the paddle. I find this especially true in contests. However the point about taking a slurp of coffee is a good one. We need an intelligent VOX system. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: 16 November 2010 17:44 To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? That is specifically why I would not want the VOX to interrupt the KDVR. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
...At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee... ...or sneeze, or comment to myself on the operating skills of the previous contact, or yell just a minute, honey - while the DVR is calling CQ. I've just put my good ol' W9XT Contest Card away after many years of successful operation with NA, and the KDVR is waiting in the mailbox. I guess I'll have to learn some new techniques. I never use VOX anyway. Ralph, VE7XF (new guidelines) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
I pushed for the ability to interrupt DVR playback with PTT (footswitch) activation, but I thought the way it ended up, the DVR would start playing even if PTT was asserted, but would stop if PTT was (re-)asserted after it had started playing. I don't have my K3 at-hand to try this at the moment. I expect VOX activation is considered the same as PTT in this context, but not 100% sure... I don't use VOX. ~Iain / N6ML On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Recently installed the KDVR3 and still trying to figure it out. Two questions: 1. In setting up for the Sweepstakes contest, I want to use the microphone to speak the first part of my exchange, that is the other station's call and the number and precedence I am giving him, e.g., W1XYZ, you're number 123 Uniform and I want to use the KDVR for the rest, e.g., K6RM, 59, Sierra Charlie Victor. I've programmed the N1MM macros from N6ML's site http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3 to drive the K3 DVR and they work great when pushing the physical N1MM Function keys or clicking same on-screen. BUT, when using VOX, I've discovered that the message won't play if I try to start it (with the N1MM F-key or ENTER in ESM mode) while the PTT is still asserted from my earlier speaking. If I wait that fraction of a second until the VOX PTT drops (i.e., when I hear noise in the headset again) before I initiate the message, it plays fine. Switching to the footswitch instead of VOX, everything plays fine even if I keep the footswitch down while the DVR message is starting. Seems like the same logic in the K3 that allows that should also apply to the VOX PTT assertion, but apparently it does not? Is this expected behavior or maybe a bug or needed enhancement in the DVR? 2. I find that the playback level of the DVR is a function of the MIC GAIN setting when recording. In other words, changing the MIC gain during playback does NOT affect then playback level. However, the DVR evidently stores UNCOMPRESSED audio because the compression DOES vary directly with the COMP control during DVR playback. Again, is this normal/expected? With all due respect, I LOVE my K3, but I HATE having to experiment (or read this reflector) to learn things like this when it SHOULD be in the manual. Frankly, IMHO, the K3 manual stinks. Thanks es 73, Barry K6RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
On 11/15/2010 5:12 PM, Barry Pfeil wrote: BUT, when using VOX, I've discovered that the message won't play if I try to start it (with the N1MM F-key or ENTER in ESM mode) while the PTT is still asserted from my earlier speaking. During CQP, I used DVR for the first time on your rig. I strongly prefer VOX. The thing I found maddening is that if you BREATHE while the DVR is playing, you'll kill DVR playback. That made it nearly unusable for me. Frankly, IMHO, the K3 manual stinks. I agree. ALL good writing should tell a story. The K3 manual does not tell a story. It's also disjointed, poorly indexed, and some stuff you need to know can be very hard to find. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Yes. The DVR is after MIC GAIN and before filtering/processing, so it records based on the mic gain setting, and plays back to the system at that same exact level. 73, Lyle KK7P ...In other words, changing the MIC gain during playback does NOT affect then playback level. However, the DVR evidently stores UNCOMPRESSED audio because the compression DOES vary directly with the COMP control during DVR playback. Again, is this normal/expected? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Thanks, Lyle. Why can't the manual make a simple clear statement like that How long has the KDVR been around? Grumble, grumble...! 73, Barry K6RM - Original Message From: Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 6:22:41 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? Yes. The DVR is after MIC GAIN and before filtering/processing, so it records based on the mic gain setting, and plays back to the system at that same exact level. 73, Lyle KK7P ...In other words, changing the MIC gain during playback does NOT affect then playback level. However, the DVR evidently stores UNCOMPRESSED audio because the compression DOES vary directly with the COMP control during DVR playback. Again, is this normal/expected? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] (Elecraft K3) KDVR
Re-the current thread on using the KDVR for checking transmitted audio: When using SSB I like to monitor my audio sidetone in my phones, probably because, like most hams, I like the sound of my own voice! I recognise that this may not be a true reproduction of the outgoing signal, but it does give me an idea of the level of residual back ground noise from fans, dog barking, wife yelling at me to get and do something useful and so on. That way I can make adjustments to the mike gain and compressor gain if neccessary. The trouble is that the K3 produces a slight processing delay between my speech and the sidetone, which I find most disconcerting. I usually end up using my old TS-850 for 'phone instead of the K3 because of this. I've mentioned this before and I believe a modification may be on Lyle's list, (somewhere near the bottom). 73 Tom G3OLB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] (Elecraft K3) KDVR
Tom, try these steps. 1. With dog and wife away, and fans off, see how you sound, adjust as necessary. This is your baseline. 2. Dog barks, put outside 3. Wife yells, see #2. 4. After front door slams, followed by ominous silence, go outside to retreive all your belongings from the front garden. 5. Bang fist futilely on door for readmittance, and be alert to catch the rigs as they come through the window. Seriously, set it once and forget it. Extraneous noise is not best dealt with by fiddling with the mic settings. 73, Mike NF4L Tom Boucher wrote: Re-the current thread on using the KDVR for checking transmitted audio: When using SSB I like to monitor my audio sidetone in my phones, probably because, like most hams, I like the sound of my own voice! I recognise that this may not be a true reproduction of the outgoing signal, but it does give me an idea of the level of residual back ground noise from fans, dog barking, wife yelling at me to get and do something useful and so on. That way I can make adjustments to the mike gain and compressor gain if neccessary. The trouble is that the K3 produces a slight processing delay between my speech and the sidetone, which I find most disconcerting. I usually end up using my old TS-850 for 'phone instead of the K3 because of this. I've mentioned this before and I believe a modification may be on Lyle's list, (somewhere near the bottom). 73 Tom G3OLB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] (Elecraft K3) KDVR
Hi Tom, Why don't you use the TS850 to listen to yourself transmitting on the K3 off-air? This way you are hearing a true reproduction of how you sound with no monitor circuit delay. Of course, this is only useful to initially set up your TX audio - not for use whilst operating. Once you set your TX adjustments, you really shouldn't have to change the settings, unless, of course, you are continually changing microphones, operators, etc. Just an idea. Andy VK4KY -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-K3-KDVR-tp5149940p5151514.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
Gents: Im trying to understand the need to even *consider* a KDVR module. I use N1MMLogger, and have for over 4 years now. I can record, not only messages, but numbers and letters and phrases into the computer (pre-air processor, using my air mic) and off air audio, up to the limiting amount of storage that my computer's hard drive has (zillions and zillions of messages, hours and hours of QSO's!). The Logger software can parse the letters and numbers. It sends, not only pre-canned signal reports, but dynamic callsigns and serial numbers live. If I choose to, I dont even have to talk at all in a SSB contest (ever work Jamie, NS3T? You worked a DVK!). Not only this, but with the Enter Sends Message feature of Logger, I input the callsign and hit the enter key, and the software sequences the correct function key for the QSO step automatically. It even logs the Q when done and sends QRZ for the next one. In multioperator situations, I can have all the operators using the station record the messages and when they take their shift, they press CTRL-O, put in their callsigns, and the software will load the Logger's DVK with their own personal voice message files automatically. Although I use a MicroKeyer 2, K3 makes interfacing to the computer as simple as plugging in the soundcard line out into line in on the back of the radio and plugging the soundcard in (not really needed, but useful if I set Logger to record each QSO) into the line out of the K3. So, worst case, you need a USB to serial adaptor for CAT and two 1/8 inch stereo cables for audio I/O. If I ever want to go portable or operate at another station with my K3, I take my MicorKeyer 2 and the K3 interface cable with me. Then, one single USB cable is all that is needed to interface the computer to the MicroKeyer 2 for full DVK, CAT and all other feature functionality in SSB, CW, RTTY and PSK, along with any other soundcard based mode I desire to use (The MicroKeyer 2 has its own built in sound card). By the way, N1MM Logger is Freeware. I own lots of options for my K3, but KDVR is not one of them. Is there any compelling reason to even *own* this accessory, other than having a computer-less environment which, in today's contesting environment, is not going to be very competitive (unless your QTH is P5, Mt. Athos or something exotic)? Lu Romero - W4LT K3 S# 3192 Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:22:23 -0700 From: Andrew Faber andrewfa...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR To: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com,Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net,Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net Message-ID: 002701ca4d03$a893f570$f2000...@bc.local Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Brett, As I see it the advantage is that you can send messages from the keyboard (particularly useful if you have an SO2R setup with the radios spread apart). Furthermore, you can integrate the message sending into the normal message sending functionality, like message repeating and hitting ESC to stop it. I do that with my logging program, CQPWIN, and find it's more convenient than continually using the radio buttons. I do have to have the program calibrate the length of each message first, to be able to do the repeating properly. It works fine. 73, andy, ae6y - Original Message - From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR What makes this easier than just using the radio? Seems to me that its just as easy to press M1 as F1... Also now that VOX can now stop tx of a DVR message stopping it is as simple as pressing nearly any button or beginning a transmission. Heck ESC would probably also work if you initiated w/ M1 if it works when you press F1. BTH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
I've done all that as well (or at least most of it), but it takes a moderate amount of time for me to check and edit the recorded audio files to make sure they sound as close to my normally transmitted voice as possible (same volume, etc). I've heard some truly horrible examples during contests where the voice file and the real-time voice sounded so different that you'd swear it was a different person. I even had one contact with a station where the recorded voice was from a man and the operator was a YL! Any confusion that sort of thing causes just slows the QSO rate. I don't own a KDVR (yet), but one of its potential advantages would seem to be the ability to quickly set up voice memories for a new contest that sounded exactly like your normal mic voice without any additional editing. 73, Dave AB7E Lu Romero wrote: Gents: Im trying to understand the need to even *consider* a KDVR module. I use N1MMLogger, and have for over 4 years now. I can record, not only messages, but numbers and letters and phrases into the computer (pre-air processor, using my air mic) and off air audio, up to the limiting amount of storage that my computer's hard drive has (zillions and zillions of messages, hours and hours of QSO's!). The Logger software can parse the letters and numbers. It sends, not only pre-canned signal reports, but dynamic callsigns and serial numbers live. If I choose to, I dont even have to talk at all in a SSB contest (ever work Jamie, NS3T? You worked a DVK!). Not only this, but with the Enter Sends Message feature of Logger, I input the callsign and hit the enter key, and the software sequences the correct function key for the QSO step automatically. It even logs the Q when done and sends QRZ for the next one. In multioperator situations, I can have all the operators using the station record the messages and when they take their shift, they press CTRL-O, put in their callsigns, and the software will load the Logger's DVK with their own personal voice message files automatically. Although I use a MicroKeyer 2, K3 makes interfacing to the computer as simple as plugging in the soundcard line out into line in on the back of the radio and plugging the soundcard in (not really needed, but useful if I set Logger to record each QSO) into the line out of the K3. So, worst case, you need a USB to serial adaptor for CAT and two 1/8 inch stereo cables for audio I/O. If I ever want to go portable or operate at another station with my K3, I take my MicorKeyer 2 and the K3 interface cable with me. Then, one single USB cable is all that is needed to interface the computer to the MicroKeyer 2 for full DVK, CAT and all other feature functionality in SSB, CW, RTTY and PSK, along with any other soundcard based mode I desire to use (The MicroKeyer 2 has its own built in sound card). By the way, N1MM Logger is Freeware. I own lots of options for my K3, but KDVR is not one of them. Is there any compelling reason to even *own* this accessory, other than having a computer-less environment which, in today's contesting environment, is not going to be very competitive (unless your QTH is P5, Mt. Athos or something exotic)? Lu Romero - W4LT K3 S# 3192 Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:22:23 -0700 From: Andrew Faber andrewfa...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR To: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com,Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net,Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net Message-ID: 002701ca4d03$a893f570$f2000...@bc.local Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Brett, As I see it the advantage is that you can send messages from the keyboard (particularly useful if you have an SO2R setup with the radios spread apart). Furthermore, you can integrate the message sending into the normal message sending functionality, like message repeating and hitting ESC to stop it. I do that with my logging program, CQPWIN, and find it's more convenient than continually using the radio buttons. I do have to have the program calibrate the length of each message first, to be able to do the repeating properly. It works fine. 73, andy, ae6y - Original Message - From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR What makes this easier than just using the radio? Seems to me that its just as easy to press M1 as F1... Also now that VOX can now stop tx of a DVR message stopping it is as simple as pressing nearly any button or beginning a transmission. Heck ESC would probably also work if you initiated w/ M1 if it works when you press F1. BTH
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
As an example of use of the K3 DVR, in March I was operating ARRL Phone froom P49Y. When operating split on 40m you have to change your listening frequency every so often. Although I generally use prerecorded messages for CQs, in that case it was easy to just record a new message in M1 on the K3 announcing the updated listening frequency, then send it from the keyboard. Having the K3 DVR was very useful in that context. Also, if you are ever having computer audio issues, perhaps due to rf pickup, sending the messages directly from the radio does bypass all those problems. So I think it's a good fall-back option. 73, andy ae6y - Original Message - From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com To: lrom...@ij.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR I've done all that as well (or at least most of it), but it takes a moderate amount of time for me to check and edit the recorded audio files to make sure they sound as close to my normally transmitted voice as possible (same volume, etc). I've heard some truly horrible examples during contests where the voice file and the real-time voice sounded so different that you'd swear it was a different person. I even had one contact with a station where the recorded voice was from a man and the operator was a YL! Any confusion that sort of thing causes just slows the QSO rate. I don't own a KDVR (yet), but one of its potential advantages would seem to be the ability to quickly set up voice memories for a new contest that sounded exactly like your normal mic voice without any additional editing. 73, Dave AB7E Lu Romero wrote: Gents: Im trying to understand the need to even *consider* a KDVR module. I use N1MMLogger, and have for over 4 years now. I can record, not only messages, but numbers and letters and phrases into the computer (pre-air processor, using my air mic) and off air audio, up to the limiting amount of storage that my computer's hard drive has (zillions and zillions of messages, hours and hours of QSO's!). The Logger software can parse the letters and numbers. It sends, not only pre-canned signal reports, but dynamic callsigns and serial numbers live. If I choose to, I dont even have to talk at all in a SSB contest (ever work Jamie, NS3T? You worked a DVK!). Not only this, but with the Enter Sends Message feature of Logger, I input the callsign and hit the enter key, and the software sequences the correct function key for the QSO step automatically. It even logs the Q when done and sends QRZ for the next one. In multioperator situations, I can have all the operators using the station record the messages and when they take their shift, they press CTRL-O, put in their callsigns, and the software will load the Logger's DVK with their own personal voice message files automatically. Although I use a MicroKeyer 2, K3 makes interfacing to the computer as simple as plugging in the soundcard line out into line in on the back of the radio and plugging the soundcard in (not really needed, but useful if I set Logger to record each QSO) into the line out of the K3. So, worst case, you need a USB to serial adaptor for CAT and two 1/8 inch stereo cables for audio I/O. If I ever want to go portable or operate at another station with my K3, I take my MicorKeyer 2 and the K3 interface cable with me. Then, one single USB cable is all that is needed to interface the computer to the MicroKeyer 2 for full DVK, CAT and all other feature functionality in SSB, CW, RTTY and PSK, along with any other soundcard based mode I desire to use (The MicroKeyer 2 has its own built in sound card). By the way, N1MM Logger is Freeware. I own lots of options for my K3, but KDVR is not one of them. Is there any compelling reason to even *own* this accessory, other than having a computer-less environment which, in today's contesting environment, is not going to be very competitive (unless your QTH is P5, Mt. Athos or something exotic)? Lu Romero - W4LT K3 S# 3192 Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:22:23 -0700 From: Andrew Faber andrewfa...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR To: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com,Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net,Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net Message-ID: 002701ca4d03$a893f570$f2000...@bc.local Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Brett, As I see it the advantage is that you can send messages from the keyboard (particularly useful if you have an SO2R setup with the radios spread apart). Furthermore, you can integrate the message sending into the normal message sending functionality, like message repeating and hitting ESC to stop it. I do that with my logging program, CQPWIN, and find it's more convenient than continually
[Elecraft] K3 - KDVR vs N1MM
I have and -can- use N1MM. My club uses if for FD. However, I view it as extremely complex and requiring a long learning curve. It -is- a fine program, but perhaps too fine for many. It handles many contests ... some rather obscure ... and yet it doesn't (conveniently) do CQP. (;-( The manual for the thing uses 405 pages to explain it! The K3's DVR has a number of uses. I have several CQ's for different uses, my call in a couple of forms, etc. set up in memories. The stand-alone DVR -does- meet the real-world needs for many. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
Well, as a Fall back redundancy option, granted, its a consideration. However, it is no problem to record on the fly using N1MM when you either run the mic line through the sound card (as I used to do) or split from a mixer (as I do now with a cheap Behringer EuroRack mixing board). You just hit TEST on the K3, hit CTRL-Shift-F1 on the computer and record the new frequency into your message. For example, W4LT listening this frequency and 7.090. to check it, just hit F1 and it will play back. Re-enable TX by hitting TEST again. This way you actually hear it through the radio monitor. Regarding the levels and editing, none is needed. The level should not be any different than the level you are transmitting with, because, well, youre transmitting through the soundcard as well as recording! Editing is simple, you dont like what it sounds like, re-record it by hitting CTRL-Shift-F1 till you are happy with the result. Computer audio RF issues should have reared their ugly heads when you were doing setup before the contest, not during one. The beauty of K3 is that you really dont need an interface at all... The transformers are built in. With K3 and MicroKeyer, you double buffer the i/o lines with transformers on both sides... I have NEVER experienced RF issues with either MK or MK2 (I own one of both), in fact, using a admittedly dirty OCF dipole, the MK's actually REMOVED the little bit of RF I was getting into the audio with my old Kenwood TS850 and that antenna. Frankly, computers do break, but so do radios. The only way to have full redundancy is to bring at least two of each part... That gets expensive. So how much are those five nines worth to you? -lu-W4LT- - Original Message Follows - From: Andrew Faber andrewfa...@ymail.com To: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com, lrom...@ij.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:19:40 -0700 As an example of use of the K3 DVR, in March I was operating ARRL Phone froom P49Y. When operating split on 40m you have to change your listening frequency every so often. Although I generally use prerecorded messages for CQs, in that case it was easy to just record a new message in M1 on the K3 announcing the updated listening frequency , then send it from the keyboard. Having the K3 DVR was very useful in that context. Also, if you are ever having computer audio issues, perhaps due to rf pickup, sending the messages directly from the radio does bypass all those problems. So I think it's a good fall-back option. 73, andy ae6y - Original Message - From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com To: lrom...@ij.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR I've done all that as well (or at least most of it), but it takes a moderate amount of time for me to check and edit the recorded audio files to make sure they sound as close to my normally transmitted voice as possible (same volume, etc). I've heard some truly horrible examples during contests where the voice file and the real-time voice sounded so different that you'd swear it was a different person. I even had one contact with a station where the recorded voice was from a man and the operator was a YL! Any confusion that sort of thing causes just slows the QSO rate. I don't own a KDVR (yet), but one of its potential advantages would seem to be the ability to quickly set up voice memories for a new contest that sounded exactly like your normal mic voice without any additional editing. 73, Dave AB7E Lu Romero wrote: Gents: Im trying to understand the need to even *consider* a KDVR module. I use N1MMLogger, and have for over 4 years now. I can record, not only messages, but numbers and letters and phrases into the computer (pre-air processor, using my air mic) and off air audio, up to the limiting amount of storage that my computer's hard drive has (zillions and zillions of messages, hours and hours of QSO's!). The Logger software can parse the letters and numbers. It sends, not only pre-canned signal reports, but dynamic callsigns and serial numbers live. If I choose to, I dont even have to talk at all in a SSB contest (ever work Jamie, NS3T? You worked a DVK!). Not only this, but with the Enter Sends Message feature of Logger, I input the callsign and hit the enter key, and the software sequences the correct function key for the QSO step automatically. It even logs the Q when done and sends QRZ for the next one. In multioperator situations, I can have all the operators using the station record the messages and when they take their shift, they press CTRL-O, put in their callsigns, and the software will load the Logger's DVK with their own personal voice message files automatically. Although I use a MicroKeyer 2, K3 makes interfacing to the computer as simple as plugging in the soundcard line out
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
Don't forget that there are many Hams who don't do contests, but who appreciate the ability to record and playback audio. Many of them I know wouldn't even have a computer in the same room with the rig beyond the occasional firmware update. Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
That's simply not true. There are all sorts of settings that can make audio sound differently going through the sound card one way versus another. I check my on-the-air signals and they are typically different without some adjusting. Other contesters do the same editing that I do to get their recordings to sound the same as their mic voice. Ask around ... you'll see. I suspect you've never checked your transmitted signal with a different receiver to make sure. I do. Maybe your recordings always sound the same as your mic voice, but there is nothing that says that will be the case in general. Dave AB7E Lu Romero wrote: Regarding the levels and editing, none is needed. The level should not be any different than the level you are transmitting with, because, well, youre transmitting through the soundcard as well as recording! Editing is simple, you dont like what it sounds like, re-record it by hitting CTRL-Shift-F1 till you are happy with the result. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 KDVR
Oh well, here is my 2 cents worth...(:-)) When operating portable (99 percent of the time in my case) it is not always practical to run a Laptop and during a 24 hour contest there will be battery issues to contend with. Sure, I could run the Genset, but why bother when the K3 has a great DVR that will handle the job nicely without the aid of Mr. Gates and his unreliable box of techno-gizmo's(:-)) I am not interested in sitting in front of a PC and punching buttons all thru a contest. Point, Click, F this and then F that etcjust does not get me fired up. I enjoy the human interaction of HF DX and pitting my skills against the rest. A trophy or an award are great ways to recognise a job well done in a contest, but for me, I prefer to operate without a PC and if that costs me QSO's and points then I am still happy as I feel a sense of personal achievement and to me, that's what counts most. I admire those of you who stay awake for the entire contest, you deserve congratulations, but for me, I may be slow, but boy oh boy I still have fun. The DVR gives my throat a rest and a chance to sip on a nice cold beer, all that plus having fun in the Outback 73's Gary VK4WT/P In the Motorhome Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
I tried
{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}--CATA2ASC K31;SWT21;}
and it did not work. It worked when I removed -- and accidental spaces
around SWT21.
Half of the command
{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}
plays just as well. What is the meaning of the second half?
Thanks for Gary ZL2IFB.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Ignacy n...@arrl.net wrote:
I tried
{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}--CATA2ASC K31;SWT21;}
and it did not work. It worked when I removed -- and accidental spaces
around SWT21.
Don't know where the '-' came from - it should be a '{'.
Half of the command
{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}
plays just as well. What is the meaning of the second half?
It was an attempt at an SO2R configuration, which I never really fully
tested. CATA1ASC means send this to radio 1, iff it is currently
active. There is no send this to the currently active radio symbol,
so I had to send to both, but only if they're active, which seemed to
achieve the desired effect.
~Iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
I will probably use the KDVR3 with N1MM for Sweepstakes this year, as I'll be a guest operator at another station (with real antennas), and will be taking my own laptop. The built-in audio on the laptop is garbage (when the gain is cranked up high enough for a Heil HC4 as input, it has all sorts of nasty noises in it), and none of the USB audio devices that I have seem to do duplex audio in the way I need for N1MM software voice keying I do use N1MM software voice keying for other contests, including SO2R SSB. It works well most of the time, with a decent sound card. For a simple single-operator contester who just wants to have a convenient recorded CQ and maybe exchange, the KDVR3 method can be easier than messing around with Windows audio, and there's less to go wrong... ~Iain / N6ML On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Lu Romero lrom...@ij.net wrote: Gents: Im trying to understand the need to even *consider* a KDVR module. I use N1MMLogger, and have for over 4 years now. I can record, not only messages, but numbers and letters and phrases into the computer (pre-air processor, using my air mic) and off air audio, up to the limiting amount of storage that my computer's hard drive has (zillions and zillions of messages, hours and hours of QSO's!). The Logger software can parse the letters and numbers. It sends, not only pre-canned signal reports, but dynamic callsigns and serial numbers live. If I choose to, I dont even have to talk at all in a SSB contest (ever work Jamie, NS3T? You worked a DVK!). Not only this, but with the Enter Sends Message feature of Logger, I input the callsign and hit the enter key, and the software sequences the correct function key for the QSO step automatically. It even logs the Q when done and sends QRZ for the next one. In multioperator situations, I can have all the operators using the station record the messages and when they take their shift, they press CTRL-O, put in their callsigns, and the software will load the Logger's DVK with their own personal voice message files automatically. Although I use a MicroKeyer 2, K3 makes interfacing to the computer as simple as plugging in the soundcard line out into line in on the back of the radio and plugging the soundcard in (not really needed, but useful if I set Logger to record each QSO) into the line out of the K3. So, worst case, you need a USB to serial adaptor for CAT and two 1/8 inch stereo cables for audio I/O. If I ever want to go portable or operate at another station with my K3, I take my MicorKeyer 2 and the K3 interface cable with me. Then, one single USB cable is all that is needed to interface the computer to the MicroKeyer 2 for full DVK, CAT and all other feature functionality in SSB, CW, RTTY and PSK, along with any other soundcard based mode I desire to use (The MicroKeyer 2 has its own built in sound card). By the way, N1MM Logger is Freeware. I own lots of options for my K3, but KDVR is not one of them. Is there any compelling reason to even *own* this accessory, other than having a computer-less environment which, in today's contesting environment, is not going to be very competitive (unless your QTH is P5, Mt. Athos or something exotic)? Lu Romero - W4LT K3 S# 3192 Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:22:23 -0700 From: Andrew Faber andrewfa...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR To: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com, Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net Message-ID: 002701ca4d03$a893f570$f2000...@bc.local Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Brett, As I see it the advantage is that you can send messages from the keyboard (particularly useful if you have an SO2R setup with the radios spread apart). Furthermore, you can integrate the message sending into the normal message sending functionality, like message repeating and hitting ESC to stop it. I do that with my logging program, CQPWIN, and find it's more convenient than continually using the radio buttons. I do have to have the program calibrate the length of each message first, to be able to do the repeating properly. It works fine. 73, andy, ae6y - Original Message - From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR What makes this easier than just using the radio? Seems to me that its just as easy to press M1 as F1... Also now that VOX can now stop tx of a DVR message stopping it is as simple as pressing nearly any button or beginning a transmission. Heck ESC would probably also work if you initiated w/ M1 if it works when you press F1. BTH
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
Ian: I dont think you are understanding what I am saying... You DO NOT use Windows Audio OR the laptop's soundcard at all. The Soundcard is built in to the MicroKeyer 2. It is specially designed for this application, with low noise and high dynamic range plus a standard codec driver. So you just connect the rig to the MicroKeyer 2 and the MK2 to the laptop using USB and everything works, even my HC4 Boomset through the MK's External Mic in. And there is no need for special CAT commands in the macros or the use of PTT by radio command that can get messy since Logger just sends the CAT command like a UDP packet. But, to each their own, if it works for you, I'm glad. I look forward to working you on SS. I will be using my K3 driven with my MK2 from home. -lu-W4LT- -Original Message- From: dse...@dseven.org [mailto:dse...@dseven.org] On Behalf Of Iain MacDonnell - N6ML Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:03 PM To: lrom...@ij.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR I will probably use the KDVR3 with N1MM for Sweepstakes this year, as I'll be a guest operator at another station (with real antennas), and will be taking my own laptop. The built-in audio on the laptop is garbage (when the gain is cranked up high enough for a Heil HC4 as input, it has all sorts of nasty noises in it), and none of the USB audio devices that I have seem to do duplex audio in the way I need for N1MM software voice keying I do use N1MM software voice keying for other contests, including SO2R SSB. It works well most of the time, with a decent sound card. For a simple single-operator contester who just wants to have a convenient recorded CQ and maybe exchange, the KDVR3 method can be easier than messing around with Windows audio, and there's less to go wrong... ~Iain / N6ML On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Lu Romero lrom...@ij.net wrote: Gents: Im trying to understand the need to even *consider* a KDVR module. I use N1MMLogger, and have for over 4 years now. I can record, not only messages, but numbers and letters and phrases into the computer (pre-air processor, using my air mic) and off air audio, up to the limiting amount of storage that my computer's hard drive has (zillions and zillions of messages, hours and hours of QSO's!). The Logger software can parse the letters and numbers. It sends, not only pre-canned signal reports, but dynamic callsigns and serial numbers live. If I choose to, I dont even have to talk at all in a SSB contest (ever work Jamie, NS3T? You worked a DVK!). Not only this, but with the Enter Sends Message feature of Logger, I input the callsign and hit the enter key, and the software sequences the correct function key for the QSO step automatically. It even logs the Q when done and sends QRZ for the next one. In multioperator situations, I can have all the operators using the station record the messages and when they take their shift, they press CTRL-O, put in their callsigns, and the software will load the Logger's DVK with their own personal voice message files automatically. Although I use a MicroKeyer 2, K3 makes interfacing to the computer as simple as plugging in the soundcard line out into line in on the back of the radio and plugging the soundcard in (not really needed, but useful if I set Logger to record each QSO) into the line out of the K3. So, worst case, you need a USB to serial adaptor for CAT and two 1/8 inch stereo cables for audio I/O. If I ever want to go portable or operate at another station with my K3, I take my MicorKeyer 2 and the K3 interface cable with me. Then, one single USB cable is all that is needed to interface the computer to the MicroKeyer 2 for full DVK, CAT and all other feature functionality in SSB, CW, RTTY and PSK, along with any other soundcard based mode I desire to use (The MicroKeyer 2 has its own built in sound card). By the way, N1MM Logger is Freeware. I own lots of options for my K3, but KDVR is not one of them. Is there any compelling reason to even *own* this accessory, other than having a computer-less environment which, in today's contesting environment, is not going to be very competitive (unless your QTH is P5, Mt. Athos or something exotic)? Lu Romero - W4LT K3 S# 3192 Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:22:23 -0700 From: Andrew Faber andrewfa...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR To: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com, Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net Message-ID: 002701ca4d03$a893f570$f2000...@bc.local Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Brett, As I see it the advantage is that you can send messages from the keyboard (particularly useful if you have an SO2R setup with the radios spread apart). Furthermore, you can integrate
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
Dave: If you are messing with Windows Audio, through a computer's general use sound card, I can agree with you. Windows often changes settings as you open and close multiple programs. However, since I plug the mic into the MicroKeyer directly and its internal sound card is passing both my live audio and my recorded audio, that is recorded through that same sound card with the identical settings, PRE AIR PROCESSING, there is absolutely no difference as long as my voice stays fresh (which it doesn't, but that's a wetware issue, not a hardware or software issue). Granted, you do have to do a bit of setup before hand to make sure the levels are correct (what you call different without adjusting. I adjust!). I do this ahead of time and lock the settings. And once I do this, I don't mess with them again. I am then guaranteed the same consistent levels upon subsequent recordings on the fly through Logger's facilities. I do trim my recordings for canned messages at times as well, especially numbers and letters, using NCH WavePad. However, I record the raw mic signal through the MK2 into the computer and NEVER apply any processing at all at this point. The rig's processor and EQ will then handle both my live audio and my canned audio with the same processing, making them as near identical as the sampling rate will allow (I am a audio dweeb. I hear the quantizing, but I can rationalize the bit rate!) This even worked with my original MK, using a Delta 44 sound card in the computer (NOT the crappy one on the motherboard or a $19 Geeks.com special). I most certainly do listen to on air signals with my secondary TS-570 transceiver during setup over RF, although now, with the K3 rather than my previous TS-850, the local monitor with TX off is pretty darn accurate, in my humble opinion. I made my living for over 30 years making sure quality sound and picture was transmitted over RF and I always made my MCR operators and production audio ops mix to the off air signal after processing for best accuracy. So I understand the issues. My recordings sound really really close to my live voice (at the start of the test when its fresh, not after 46 hours of saying Five Nine Zero Five a thousand times, though!) because I put the work in ahead of time to make sure that they do and leave the settings alone. Other ops mileage, especially the incessant tweakers, may vary. -lu-W4LT- Message: 19 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:13:31 -0700 From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 4ad7826b.8040...@cis-broadband.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed That's simply not true. There are all sorts of settings that can make audio sound differently going through the sound card one way versus another. I check my on-the-air signals and they are typically different without some adjusting. Other contesters do the same editing that I do to get their recordings to sound the same as their mic voice. Ask around ... you'll see. I suspect you've never checked your transmitted signal with a different receiver to make sure. I do. Maybe your recordings always sound the same as your mic voice, but there is nothing that says that will be the case in general. Dave AB7E No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.1.0.25 - 6.13490). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
Hi Fred. The answers to your questions are mostly yes. Read the following
from Iain in response to my query on the NCCC reflector. I'm sure Iain would
answer more specifics if you need them.
73, Barry, K6RM
- Forwarded Message
From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: NCCC Reflector n...@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:05:35 PM
Subject: Re: KDVR
Hi Barry,
Yes, I was using the KDVR3 for voice keying - really I only used it
for my CQ(s). N1MM doesn't explicitly support use of the KDVR3, but it
does allow you to send arbitrary commands to the K3, so I use the
commands that emulate pressing the M1-M4 buttons. I was pleasantly
surprised yesterday when I instinctively hit the Escape key to
interrupt my CQ when I thought I heard someone calling, and it
actually worked! I'm really not sure why it works - there may be some
hidden magic that sends a stop command to the K3 on hitting Escape. I
have yet to inquire about that.
Anyway, here are the messages I use for this... theoretically this
should work for SO2R, but I haven't really tested that thoroughly (I
only have one K3 at home)...
F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT21;}
F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT31;}
F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT35;}
F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT39;}
The main benefit of this is that it avoids all of the hassles of
getting the audio routed through the computer working right and
sounding decent - instead you just plug your headset (or fav mic)
straight into the radio and go. Message recording is done with the
buttons on the radio. Listeners should be unable to distinguish
recorded vs live audio, other than by the repetition.
A possible down-side is that N1MM doesn't know when the playback of a
message ends - in fact it doesn't even know that a message is being
played. Things like repeating (or, worse, dueling) CQs could be a bit
tricky.
For something quick and easy, it works quite well...
~Iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Barry Pfeilbarrypf...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Iain. I believe it was in your NAQP soapbox comments where I saw
something about having N1MM interfaced to the K3/KDVR. If not, trash this
and let me know.
If so, I was wondering how you were using the DVR. Since I don't have the
KDVR option and N1MM allows one to record messages on the same computer it's
running on, I have always used that method. But I can see where recording
the messages inside the K3 might have some advantages. Is that what you
were using the KDVR for and, if so, what are the pros and cons of this
method?
TNX es 73,
Barry K6RM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
What makes this easier than just using the radio? Seems to me that
its just as easy to press M1 as F1... Also now that VOX can now stop
tx of a DVR message stopping it is as simple as pressing nearly any
button or beginning a transmission. Heck ESC would probably also work
if you initiated w/ M1 if it works when you press F1.
BTH
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Fred. The answers to your questions are mostly yes. Read the following
from Iain in response to my query on the NCCC reflector. I'm sure Iain would
answer more specifics if you need them.
73, Barry, K6RM
- Forwarded Message
From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: NCCC Reflector n...@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:05:35 PM
Subject: Re: KDVR
Hi Barry,
Yes, I was using the KDVR3 for voice keying - really I only used it
for my CQ(s). N1MM doesn't explicitly support use of the KDVR3, but it
does allow you to send arbitrary commands to the K3, so I use the
commands that emulate pressing the M1-M4 buttons. I was pleasantly
surprised yesterday when I instinctively hit the Escape key to
interrupt my CQ when I thought I heard someone calling, and it
actually worked! I'm really not sure why it works - there may be some
hidden magic that sends a stop command to the K3 on hitting Escape. I
have yet to inquire about that.
Anyway, here are the messages I use for this... theoretically this
should work for SO2R, but I haven't really tested that thoroughly (I
only have one K3 at home)...
F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT21;}
F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT31;}
F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT35;}
F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT39;}
The main benefit of this is that it avoids all of the hassles of
getting the audio routed through the computer working right and
sounding decent - instead you just plug your headset (or fav mic)
straight into the radio and go. Message recording is done with the
buttons on the radio. Listeners should be unable to distinguish
recorded vs live audio, other than by the repetition.
A possible down-side is that N1MM doesn't know when the playback of a
message ends - in fact it doesn't even know that a message is being
played. Things like repeating (or, worse, dueling) CQs could be a bit
tricky.
For something quick and easy, it works quite well...
~Iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Barry Pfeilbarrypf...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Iain. I believe it was in your NAQP soapbox comments where I saw
something about having N1MM interfaced to the K3/KDVR. If not, trash this
and let me know.
If so, I was wondering how you were using the DVR. Since I don't have the
KDVR option and N1MM allows one to record messages on the same computer it's
running on, I have always used that method. But I can see where recording
the messages inside the K3 might have some advantages. Is that what you
were using the KDVR for and, if so, what are the pros and cons of this
method?
TNX es 73,
Barry K6RM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
Brett,
As I see it the advantage is that you can send messages from the keyboard
(particularly useful if you have an SO2R setup with the radios spread
apart). Furthermore, you can integrate the message sending into the normal
message sending functionality, like message repeating and hitting ESC to
stop it. I do that with my logging program, CQPWIN, and find it's more
convenient than continually using the radio buttons. I do have to have the
program calibrate the length of each message first, to be able to do the
repeating properly. It works fine.
73, andy, ae6y
- Original Message -
From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com
To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Fred Jensen
k6...@foothill.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
What makes this easier than just using the radio? Seems to me that
its just as easy to press M1 as F1... Also now that VOX can now stop
tx of a DVR message stopping it is as simple as pressing nearly any
button or beginning a transmission. Heck ESC would probably also work
if you initiated w/ M1 if it works when you press F1.
BTH
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
Hi Fred. The answers to your questions are mostly yes. Read the
following from Iain in response to my query on the NCCC reflector. I'm
sure Iain would answer more specifics if you need them.
73, Barry, K6RM
- Forwarded Message
From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: NCCC Reflector n...@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:05:35 PM
Subject: Re: KDVR
Hi Barry,
Yes, I was using the KDVR3 for voice keying - really I only used it
for my CQ(s). N1MM doesn't explicitly support use of the KDVR3, but it
does allow you to send arbitrary commands to the K3, so I use the
commands that emulate pressing the M1-M4 buttons. I was pleasantly
surprised yesterday when I instinctively hit the Escape key to
interrupt my CQ when I thought I heard someone calling, and it
actually worked! I'm really not sure why it works - there may be some
hidden magic that sends a stop command to the K3 on hitting Escape. I
have yet to inquire about that.
Anyway, here are the messages I use for this... theoretically this
should work for SO2R, but I haven't really tested that thoroughly (I
only have one K3 at home)...
F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT21;}
F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT31;}
F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT35;}
F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT39;}
The main benefit of this is that it avoids all of the hassles of
getting the audio routed through the computer working right and
sounding decent - instead you just plug your headset (or fav mic)
straight into the radio and go. Message recording is done with the
buttons on the radio. Listeners should be unable to distinguish
recorded vs live audio, other than by the repetition.
A possible down-side is that N1MM doesn't know when the playback of a
message ends - in fact it doesn't even know that a message is being
played. Things like repeating (or, worse, dueling) CQs could be a bit
tricky.
For something quick and easy, it works quite well...
~Iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Barry Pfeilbarrypf...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
Hi Iain. I believe it was in your NAQP soapbox comments where I saw
something about having N1MM interfaced to the K3/KDVR. If not, trash this
and let me know.
If so, I was wondering how you were using the DVR. Since I don't have the
KDVR option and N1MM allows one to record messages on the same computer
it's
running on, I have always used that method. But I can see where recording
the messages inside the K3 might have some advantages. Is that what you
were using the KDVR for and, if so, what are the pros and cons of this
method?
TNX es 73,
Barry K6RM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
For contesting, it is WAY more effective to be able to control the DVR
from N1MM than from the front panel of the K3. It's tiring and wastes a
lot of time to move your hand back and forth between the keyboard and
the rig multiple times for every contact. For example:
1. move hands to K3 to press M1 for CQ or M3 for thanks/73
2. move hands to keyboard to type callsign of next caller
3. move hands to K3 to press M2 for report; wait for acknowledgment and
report
4. move hands to keyboard to type report
5. repeat
Requests for repeats add additional motions.
When I bought my K3, I specifically did NOT buy the DVR because I didn't
think it could be controlled from the logger. Now that I know
differently I'm seriously considering buying one for the same reasons
described by N6ML below.
73,
Dave AB7E
Brett Howard wrote:
What makes this easier than just using the radio? Seems to me that
its just as easy to press M1 as F1... Also now that VOX can now stop
tx of a DVR message stopping it is as simple as pressing nearly any
button or beginning a transmission. Heck ESC would probably also work
if you initiated w/ M1 if it works when you press F1.
BTH
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Fred. The answers to your questions are mostly yes. Read the
following from Iain in response to my query on the NCCC reflector. I'm sure
Iain would answer more specifics if you need them.
73, Barry, K6RM
- Forwarded Message
From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: NCCC Reflector n...@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:05:35 PM
Subject: Re: KDVR
Hi Barry,
Yes, I was using the KDVR3 for voice keying - really I only used it
for my CQ(s). N1MM doesn't explicitly support use of the KDVR3, but it
does allow you to send arbitrary commands to the K3, so I use the
commands that emulate pressing the M1-M4 buttons. I was pleasantly
surprised yesterday when I instinctively hit the Escape key to
interrupt my CQ when I thought I heard someone calling, and it
actually worked! I'm really not sure why it works - there may be some
hidden magic that sends a stop command to the K3 on hitting Escape. I
have yet to inquire about that.
Anyway, here are the messages I use for this... theoretically this
should work for SO2R, but I haven't really tested that thoroughly (I
only have one K3 at home)...
F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT21;}
F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT31;}
F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT35;}
F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT39;}
The main benefit of this is that it avoids all of the hassles of
getting the audio routed through the computer working right and
sounding decent - instead you just plug your headset (or fav mic)
straight into the radio and go. Message recording is done with the
buttons on the radio. Listeners should be unable to distinguish
recorded vs live audio, other than by the repetition.
A possible down-side is that N1MM doesn't know when the playback of a
message ends - in fact it doesn't even know that a message is being
played. Things like repeating (or, worse, dueling) CQs could be a bit
tricky.
For something quick and easy, it works quite well...
~Iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Barry Pfeilbarrypf...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Iain. I believe it was in your NAQP soapbox comments where I saw
something about having N1MM interfaced to the K3/KDVR. If not, trash this
and let me know.
If so, I was wondering how you were using the DVR. Since I don't have the
KDVR option and N1MM allows one to record messages on the same computer it's
running on, I have always used that method. But I can see where recording
the messages inside the K3 might have some advantages. Is that what you
were using the KDVR for and, if so, what are the pros and cons of this
method?
TNX es 73,
Barry K6RM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
By the way, I since found out that the RX; command is sent to the K3
on hitting Esc[ape] iff the COM port configuration has Radio PTT
via command checked. This has the nice effect of canceling DVR
playback on hitting Escape.
~Iain / N6ML
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Fred. The answers to your questions are mostly yes. Read the following
from Iain in response to my query on the NCCC reflector. I'm sure Iain would
answer more specifics if you need them.
73, Barry, K6RM
- Forwarded Message
From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: NCCC Reflector n...@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:05:35 PM
Subject: Re: KDVR
Hi Barry,
Yes, I was using the KDVR3 for voice keying - really I only used it
for my CQ(s). N1MM doesn't explicitly support use of the KDVR3, but it
does allow you to send arbitrary commands to the K3, so I use the
commands that emulate pressing the M1-M4 buttons. I was pleasantly
surprised yesterday when I instinctively hit the Escape key to
interrupt my CQ when I thought I heard someone calling, and it
actually worked! I'm really not sure why it works - there may be some
hidden magic that sends a stop command to the K3 on hitting Escape. I
have yet to inquire about that.
Anyway, here are the messages I use for this... theoretically this
should work for SO2R, but I haven't really tested that thoroughly (I
only have one K3 at home)...
F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT21;}
F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT31;}
F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT35;}
F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT39;}
The main benefit of this is that it avoids all of the hassles of
getting the audio routed through the computer working right and
sounding decent - instead you just plug your headset (or fav mic)
straight into the radio and go. Message recording is done with the
buttons on the radio. Listeners should be unable to distinguish
recorded vs live audio, other than by the repetition.
A possible down-side is that N1MM doesn't know when the playback of a
message ends - in fact it doesn't even know that a message is being
played. Things like repeating (or, worse, dueling) CQs could be a bit
tricky.
For something quick and easy, it works quite well...
~Iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Barry Pfeilbarrypf...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Iain. I believe it was in your NAQP soapbox comments where I saw
something about having N1MM interfaced to the K3/KDVR. If not, trash this
and let me know.
If so, I was wondering how you were using the DVR. Since I don't have the
KDVR option and N1MM allows one to record messages on the same computer it's
running on, I have always used that method. But I can see where recording
the messages inside the K3 might have some advantages. Is that what you
were using the KDVR for and, if so, what are the pros and cons of this
method?
TNX es 73,
Barry K6RM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
It's just a matter of what you are used to, Brett. Most contesters I know like
to do as much from the keyboard as possible and would rather not reach over and
hit buttons on the radio.
73, Barry, K6RM
From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com
To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net; Elecraft Reflector
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:30:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
What makes this easier than just using the radio? Seems to me that
its just as easy to press M1 as F1... Also now that VOX can now stop
tx of a DVR message stopping it is as simple as pressing nearly any
button or beginning a transmission. Heck ESC would probably also work
if you initiated w/ M1 if it works when you press F1.
BTH
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Fred. The answers to your questions are mostly yes. Read the following
from Iain in response to my query on the NCCC reflector. I'm sure Iain would
answer more specifics if you need them.
73, Barry, K6RM
- Forwarded Message
From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: NCCC Reflector n...@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:05:35 PM
Subject: Re: KDVR
Hi Barry,
Yes, I was using the KDVR3 for voice keying - really I only used it
for my CQ(s). N1MM doesn't explicitly support use of the KDVR3, but it
does allow you to send arbitrary commands to the K3, so I use the
commands that emulate pressing the M1-M4 buttons. I was pleasantly
surprised yesterday when I instinctively hit the Escape key to
interrupt my CQ when I thought I heard someone calling, and it
actually worked! I'm really not sure why it works - there may be some
hidden magic that sends a stop command to the K3 on hitting Escape. I
have yet to inquire about that.
Anyway, here are the messages I use for this... theoretically this
should work for SO2R, but I haven't really tested that thoroughly (I
only have one K3 at home)...
F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT21;}
F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT31;}
F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT35;}
F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT39;}
The main benefit of this is that it avoids all of the hassles of
getting the audio routed through the computer working right and
sounding decent - instead you just plug your headset (or fav mic)
straight into the radio and go. Message recording is done with the
buttons on the radio. Listeners should be unable to distinguish
recorded vs live audio, other than by the repetition.
A possible down-side is that N1MM doesn't know when the playback of a
message ends - in fact it doesn't even know that a message is being
played. Things like repeating (or, worse, dueling) CQs could be a bit
tricky.
For something quick and easy, it works quite well...
~Iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Barry Pfeilbarrypf...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Iain. I believe it was in your NAQP soapbox comments where I saw
something about having N1MM interfaced to the K3/KDVR. If not, trash this
and let me know.
If so, I was wondering how you were using the DVR. Since I don't have the
KDVR option and N1MM allows one to record messages on the same computer it's
running on, I have always used that method. But I can see where recording
the messages inside the K3 might have some advantages. Is that what you
were using the KDVR for and, if so, what are the pros and cons of this
method?
TNX es 73,
Barry K6RM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR
By the way, I since found out that the RX; command is sent to the
K3
on hitting Esc[ape] iff the COM port configuration has Radio PTT
via command checked. This has the nice effect of canceling DVR
playback on hitting Escape.
Thanks Iain. Works like a dream when I figured out that I simply need
to cut-n-paste the{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}{CATA2ASC K31;SWT21;} and
similar commands from your earlier message into N1MM's config SSB
messages option for the relevant message, in place of the wav\
stuff in there by default.
I guess we can trigger messages M5-M8 as well with the appropriate
commands? I'm thinking that, for a multi-single club effort in CQ WW
SSB, we might get the two main ops to record their messages in banks
1-4 and 5-8 respectively. Mind you, it's easy to re-record any
message on the K3, much easier than messing around with WAV files on
the PC.
Anyway, I think this feature might *finally* be enough for the K3 to
displace the FT1000's from the club!
73,
Gary ZL2iFB and ZM2M (www.ZM2M.com)
Forget the Internet. Talk to people around the world on equipment you
built yourself. Get on the air and make friends through amateur
radio. Dave, VK2RD
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR Problem errasing unwanted M1-M4 recordings
I was wondering the same thing, how do you completely erase M1-M4 if needed? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-KDVR-manual-tp1609936p2204672.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR Problem errasing unwanted M1-M4 recordings
To completely erase your transmit message: Tap REC Tap the Memory you want to erase. Immediately REC again to stop. That works because starting a new recording in a memory location completely eliminates whatever was in that location. A fraction of a second of recording effectively erases all 16 seconds because the playback stops automatically at the end of the recording. I don't believe there's a way to completely erase the Received audio recording other than by recording over the whole 90 seconds. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark KN7T Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:54 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR Problem errasing unwanted M1-M4 recordings I was wondering the same thing, how do you completely erase M1-M4 if needed? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-KDVR-manual-tp1609936p2204672.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: KDVR Status
Hi Everyone, Has anyone with a K3 Serial Number around 370 received their KDVR or received notice of its upcoming shipment? Thanks in advance, Dave N1LQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: KDVR Status
Dave, I have Serial #974 and received an E Mail from La Vonna ( account...@elecraft.com ) yesterday that my KDVR would be shipping within the next 2 weeks. You might want to check see if they sent you an E Mail and didn't get a confirmation E mail back from you. 73 Al WB6HPF David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: Hi Everyone, Has anyone with a K3 Serial Number around 370 received their KDVR or received notice of its upcoming shipment? Thanks in advance, Dave N1LQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-KDVR-Status-tp1654990p1655025.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: KDVR Status
Got Mine 12/12/08 Phil # 609 - Original Message - From: David and Dianne on Comcast dhh...@comcast.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KDVR Status Hi Everyone, Has anyone with a K3 Serial Number around 370 received their KDVR or received notice of its upcoming shipment? Thanks in advance, Dave N1LQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 12:28 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 12:28 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual
Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: Its now up on our manual download page in the K3 section. See: http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#K3 73, Eric WA6HHQ Many thanks Eric and a great job as always on the manual. Many thanks to all involved. 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 http://www.amateurradiotraining.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual
Any chance of getting a look at the manual guys? I want to 'build it' in anticipation of receiving mine soon :) 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 http://www.amateurradiotraining.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual
Yes, manual please! I would like to know if it will perform all of the functions of a SSB contest DVK (digital voice keyer). I want it to replace my MFJ-434 unit. A review of the manual would hopefully answer my questions. That way I can decide to respond positively to a shipment notification from the Elecraft sales staff. I do not look forward to installing it due to the control panel disassembly required. So, I want it to be worth my effort. 73, Henry - K4TMC K3/100 #98 -Original Message- From: Ian Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:40 pm Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual Any chance of getting a look at the manual guys? I want to 'build it' in anticipation of receiving mine soon :) 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 http://www.amateurradiotraining.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual
Its now up on our manual download page in the K3 section. See: http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#K3 73, Eric WA6HHQ -Original Message- From: Ian Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:40 pm Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual Any chance of getting a look at the manual guys? I want to 'build it' in anticipation of receiving mine soon :) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual
When will the KDVR3 be released? Do we have a date yet? Stan W5EWA --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:22 PM Its now up on our manual download page in the K3 section. See: http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#K3 73, Eric WA6HHQ -Original Message- From: Ian Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:40 pm Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual Any chance of getting a look at the manual guys? I want to 'build it' in anticipation of receiving mine soon :) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual
The date was 11/30. Ray let us know that he got his confirmation notice yesterday: http://n2.nabble.com/KDVR3-Confirmation-Notice-td1609161.html ~Iain / K6IAM Stan Rife wrote: When will the KDVR3 be released? Do we have a date yet? Stan W5EWA --- On *Wed, 12/3/08, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:22 PM Its now up on our manual download page in the K3 section. See: http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#K3 73, Eric WA6HHQ -Original Message- From: Ian Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:40 pm Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual Any chance of getting a look at the manual guys? I want to 'build it' in anticipation of receiving mine soon :) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual
Hi, I got my LaVonagram on the 21st of November: http://n2.nabble.com/KDVR3-LaVona-Gramm-td1560732.html. Should be shipping right about now! vy 73 de toby Stan Rife wrote: When will the KDVR3 be released? Do we have a date yet? Stan W5EWA --- On *Wed, 12/3/08, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:22 PM Its now up on our manual download page in the K3 section. See: http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#K3 73, Eric WA6HHQ -Original Message- From: Ian Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:40 pm Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KDVR manual Any chance of getting a look at the manual guys? I want to 'build it' in anticipation of receiving mine soon :) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
