Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift-width/lo-hi

2020-03-31 Thread Keith Trinity
The K3 Utility help explains what gets EE INIT-ed.
Glad it is working.
Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:47 PM Martin Sole  wrote:

> Keith,
>
> Many thanks for the heads up. I did the gain calibration instinctively as
> I did not know if it would be modified by the EE-Init or not, the D10
> manual page 66 on parameter initialization does not state.
>
> All working well now and the radio is back to proper operation.
>
> Martin, HS0ZED
>
>
> On 31/03/2020 04:50, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
>
> Don't forget to do the TX gain cal, that gets wiped during EE INIT.
> Then save the config.
> **BUT; You might try loading your saved config, then read my notes;
> From my notes;
>
> *Cannot toggle LEDs SHIFT LO CUT HI WIDTH TAPPING LOCKED in CW or DATA
> mode(s) + N/A*
>
> *Fix;* Turn off “CW QRQ” in config menu, or set “PB CTRL” to .05 instead
> of .01
>
> Notes; Any of the following, in any combination, will lock out the toggle
> to HI CUT / LO CUT:
>
> CW mode and CW QRQ ON ("+" sign visible on LCD display, not flashing)
>
> CW mode and CONFIG:PB CTRL Shift=.01
>
> DATA mode (FSK/AFSK)
> Keith WE6R
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift-width/lo-hi

2020-03-31 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX

Not observed on my K3S, sn 10163 radio.  And nothing shows on my P3.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/30/2020 5:39 PM, Buck wrote:
How about this one?  K3S CW mode. Tone at 14.053.953 with shift at 650 
Hz, lox cut at .10  High cut at 1.20.  Same tone at 7.026.765 and 
21.074.113 but weaker.  The tone is strong enough to show a spike on 
the P3.


Tone goes away if I move the shift off 650 Hz or change the low cut or 
high cut.  But the spike still appears on the P3 screen? Something in 
the P3?


k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
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On 3/30/2020 5:50 PM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:

Don't forget to do the TX gain cal, that gets wiped during EE INIT.
Then save the config.
**BUT; You might try loading your saved config, then read my notes;
 From my notes;

*_Cannot toggle LEDs SHIFT LO CUT HI WIDTH TAPPING LOCKED in CW or 
DATA mode(s) + N/A_*


_Fix;_Turn off “CW QRQ” in config menu, or set “PB CTRL” to .05 
instead of .01


Notes; Any of the following, in any combination, will lock out the 
toggle to HI CUT / LO CUT:


CW mode and CW QRQ ON ("+" sign visible on LCD display, not flashing)

CW mode and CONFIG:PB CTRL Shift=.01

DATA mode (FSK/AFSK)

Keith WE6R
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift-width/lo-hi

2020-03-30 Thread Martin Sole

Keith,

Many thanks for the heads up. I did the gain calibration instinctively 
as I did not know if it would be modified by the EE-Init or not, the D10 
manual page 66 on parameter initialization does not state.


All working well now and the radio is back to proper operation.

Martin, HS0ZED


On 31/03/2020 04:50, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:

Don't forget to do the TX gain cal, that gets wiped during EE INIT.
Then save the config.
**BUT; You might try loading your saved config, then read my notes;
From my notes;

*_Cannot toggle LEDs SHIFT LO CUT HI WIDTH TAPPING LOCKED in CW or 
DATA mode(s) + N/A_*


_Fix;_Turn off “CW QRQ” in config menu, or set “PB CTRL” to .05 
instead of .01


Notes; Any of the following, in any combination, will lock out the 
toggle to HI CUT / LO CUT:


CW mode and CW QRQ ON ("+" sign visible on LCD display, not flashing)

CW mode and CONFIG:PB CTRL Shift=.01

DATA mode (FSK/AFSK)

Keith WE6R


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift-width/lo-hi

2020-03-30 Thread Buck
How about this one?  K3S CW mode. Tone at 14.053.953 with shift at 650 
Hz, lox cut at .10  High cut at 1.20.  Same tone at 7.026.765 and 
21.074.113 but weaker.  The tone is strong enough to show a spike on the 
P3.


Tone goes away if I move the shift off 650 Hz or change the low cut or 
high cut.  But the spike still appears on the P3 screen?  Something in 
the P3?


k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 3/30/2020 5:50 PM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:

Don't forget to do the TX gain cal, that gets wiped during EE INIT.
Then save the config.
**BUT; You might try loading your saved config, then read my notes;
 From my notes;

*_Cannot toggle LEDs SHIFT LO CUT HI WIDTH TAPPING LOCKED in CW or DATA 
mode(s) + N/A_*


_Fix;_Turn off “CW QRQ” in config menu, or set “PB CTRL” to .05 instead 
of .01


Notes; Any of the following, in any combination, will lock out the 
toggle to HI CUT / LO CUT:


CW mode and CW QRQ ON ("+" sign visible on LCD display, not flashing)

CW mode and CONFIG:PB CTRL Shift=.01

DATA mode (FSK/AFSK)

Keith WE6R
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift-width/lo-hi

2020-03-30 Thread Keith Trinity WE6R

Don't forget to do the TX gain cal, that gets wiped during EE INIT.
Then save the config.
**BUT; You might try loading your saved config, then read my notes;
From my notes;

*_Cannot toggle LEDs SHIFT LO CUT HI WIDTH TAPPING LOCKED in CW or DATA 
mode(s) + N/A_*


_Fix;_Turn off “CW QRQ” in config menu, or set “PB CTRL” to .05 instead 
of .01


Notes; Any of the following, in any combination, will lock out the 
toggle to HI CUT / LO CUT:


CW mode and CW QRQ ON ("+" sign visible on LCD display, not flashing)

CW mode and CONFIG:PB CTRL Shift=.01

DATA mode (FSK/AFSK)

Keith WE6R
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift-width/lo-hi

2020-03-28 Thread Nr4c
64 F and overcast here in Williamsburg, Virginia right now. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Mar 28, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Martin Sole  wrote:
> 
>  Bill,
> 
> Many thanks, EE-Init seems to have done the trick, if for no other reason 
> than it set default settings and restored the normal operation. Loading my 
> saved configuration, saved after the problem occurred, created the same 
> problem, no HI-Lo in SSB only on Data and AM.
> 
> I've now doe a full manual setup of all my filters and modules, I had that 
> info to hand, and saved the current full working configuration.
> 
> So normal service is restored and the Hi-Lo function is once again working on 
> all modes. Now I just need to brave the 38 degrees C to get outside and climb 
> the tower to work on the antenna.
> 
> Many thanks Bill
> 
> 73
> Martin, HS0ZED
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28/03/2020 15:53, Nr4c wrote:
>> Look in manual for “EE_Init”. 
>> 
>> Is it set to Hi-Lo for SSB and Shift-Width for CW?   If so, why change it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 3:51 AM, Martin Sole  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI,
>>> 
>>> So today having fun in WPX but playing with the K3 controls I am fairly 
>>> sure that I should be able to change from shift-width to lo-hi by just a 
>>> tap of either knob, but it does nothing. Well it does work as expected in 
>>> Data and AM mode but not in CW or SSB. All other functions are normal and 
>>> working as expected including the NORM and I/II switch functions. its just 
>>> shift-width/hi-lo in CW and SSB modes only.
>>> 
>>> I've never needed to do this before but am scratching my head how to do a 
>>> hard reset to default baseline settings, cannot find anything in the manual.
>>> 
>>> So what's going on? Have I set something that could disable this, and how 
>>> can I achieve a clean test state to see what should or shouldn;t work.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Martin, HS0ZED
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift-width/lo-hi

2020-03-28 Thread Martin Sole

Bill,

Many thanks, EE-Init seems to have done the trick, if for no other 
reason than it set default settings and restored the normal operation. 
Loading my saved configuration, saved after the problem occurred, 
created the same problem, no HI-Lo in SSB only on Data and AM.


I've now doe a full manual setup of all my filters and modules, I had 
that info to hand, and saved the current full working configuration.


So normal service is restored and the Hi-Lo function is once again 
working on all modes. Now I just need to brave the 38 degrees C to get 
outside and climb the tower to work on the antenna.


Many thanks Bill

73
Martin, HS0ZED



On 28/03/2020 15:53, Nr4c wrote:

Look in manual for “EE_Init”.

Is it set to Hi-Lo for SSB and Shift-Width for CW?   If so, why change it?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Mar 28, 2020, at 3:51 AM, Martin Sole  wrote:

HI,

So today having fun in WPX but playing with the K3 controls I am fairly sure 
that I should be able to change from shift-width to lo-hi by just a tap of 
either knob, but it does nothing. Well it does work as expected in Data and AM 
mode but not in CW or SSB. All other functions are normal and working as 
expected including the NORM and I/II switch functions. its just 
shift-width/hi-lo in CW and SSB modes only.

I've never needed to do this before but am scratching my head how to do a hard 
reset to default baseline settings, cannot find anything in the manual.

So what's going on? Have I set something that could disable this, and how can I 
achieve a clean test state to see what should or shouldn;t work.

73
Martin, HS0ZED


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift-width/lo-hi

2020-03-28 Thread Nr4c
Look in manual for “EE_Init”. 

Is it set to Hi-Lo for SSB and Shift-Width for CW?   If so, why change it?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Mar 28, 2020, at 3:51 AM, Martin Sole  wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
> So today having fun in WPX but playing with the K3 controls I am fairly sure 
> that I should be able to change from shift-width to lo-hi by just a tap of 
> either knob, but it does nothing. Well it does work as expected in Data and 
> AM mode but not in CW or SSB. All other functions are normal and working as 
> expected including the NORM and I/II switch functions. its just 
> shift-width/hi-lo in CW and SSB modes only.
> 
> I've never needed to do this before but am scratching my head how to do a 
> hard reset to default baseline settings, cannot find anything in the manual.
> 
> So what's going on? Have I set something that could disable this, and how can 
> I achieve a clean test state to see what should or shouldn;t work.
> 
> 73
> Martin, HS0ZED
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] K3 shift-width/lo-hi

2020-03-28 Thread Martin Sole

HI,

So today having fun in WPX but playing with the K3 controls I am fairly 
sure that I should be able to change from shift-width to lo-hi by just a 
tap of either knob, but it does nothing. Well it does work as expected 
in Data and AM mode but not in CW or SSB. All other functions are normal 
and working as expected including the NORM and I/II switch functions. 
its just shift-width/hi-lo in CW and SSB modes only.


I've never needed to do this before but am scratching my head how to do 
a hard reset to default baseline settings, cannot find anything in the 
manual.


So what's going on? Have I set something that could disable this, and 
how can I achieve a clean test state to see what should or shouldn;t work.


73
Martin, HS0ZED


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 'SHIFT' not functional

2016-06-22 Thread Nick Kennedy
You are quite right, Vic. It amazes me that I didn't know that since I've 
used QRQ from day 1 and thought I used SHIFT as well.


Currently, it's a direct CONFIG menu entry CW QRQ and select ON or OFF.

73-

Nick, WA5BDU

-Original Message- 
From: Vic Rosenthal

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:54 PM
To: Nick Kennedy
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 'SHIFT' not functional

Check to see if QRQ mode is set. It locks out the shift function. If there 
is a little plus sign on the right side of the display in CW mode then 
that's it.
To turn it off, go to the CONFIG menu, CW WEIGHT and tap one of the number 
keys. I don't recall which, but you can find it in the manual.


Vic 4X6GP

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 'SHIFT' not functional

2016-06-22 Thread Vic Rosenthal
Check to see if QRQ mode is set. It locks out the shift function. If there is a 
little plus sign on the right side of the display in CW mode then that's it.
To turn it off, go to the CONFIG menu, CW WEIGHT and tap one of the number 
keys. I don't recall which, but you can find it in the manual.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 22 Jun 2016, at 17:39, Nick Kennedy  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My K3’s ‘SHIFT’ control no longer shifts. It stays at the CW pitch frequency 
> I’ve dialed up as indicated by “FC *0.44”, for example, when I turn the knob.
> 
> I had been setting up the rig for Field Day (taking out macros, etc.) when 
> this occurred. 
> 
> This is happening in the CW mode. In fact, I just verified that SHIFT works 
> normally in SSB and AM modes. The WIDTH control works normally as well.
> 
> Searching the manual, it seems that using XFIL can disable SHIFT.  Maybe I 
> accidentally hit XFIL.  But if I did, how do I go back to normal?  When I 
> rotate the WIDTH control, my filters are sequenced in and out as expected.
> 
> No CAT is currently connected.
> 
> At least it’s not fatal, but it would be nice to get the function back before 
> Saturday.
> 
> 73/TU,
> 
> Nick, WA5BDU
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 'SHIFT' not functional

2016-06-22 Thread Clay Autery
While you are on a band/mode/etc where the shift pot isn't working... 
push and hold "shift", which is the "NORM" function which will reset
filtering to default...  This may fix it.  Just my SWAG.


On 6/22/2016 9:39 AM, Nick Kennedy wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My K3’s ‘SHIFT’ control no longer shifts. It stays at the CW pitch frequency 
> I’ve dialed up as indicated by “FC *0.44”, for example, when I turn the knob.
>
> I had been setting up the rig for Field Day (taking out macros, etc.) when 
> this occurred. 
>
> This is happening in the CW mode. In fact, I just verified that SHIFT works 
> normally in SSB and AM modes. The WIDTH control works normally as well.
>
> Searching the manual, it seems that using XFIL can disable SHIFT.  Maybe I 
> accidentally hit XFIL.  But if I did, how do I go back to normal?  When I 
> rotate the WIDTH control, my filters are sequenced in and out as expected.
>
> No CAT is currently connected.
>
> At least it’s not fatal, but it would be nice to get the function back before 
> Saturday.
>
> 73/TU,
>
> Nick, WA5BDU
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[Elecraft] K3 'SHIFT' not functional

2016-06-22 Thread Nick Kennedy
Hi All,

My K3’s ‘SHIFT’ control no longer shifts. It stays at the CW pitch frequency 
I’ve dialed up as indicated by “FC *0.44”, for example, when I turn the knob.

I had been setting up the rig for Field Day (taking out macros, etc.) when this 
occurred. 

This is happening in the CW mode. In fact, I just verified that SHIFT works 
normally in SSB and AM modes. The WIDTH control works normally as well.

Searching the manual, it seems that using XFIL can disable SHIFT.  Maybe I 
accidentally hit XFIL.  But if I did, how do I go back to normal?  When I 
rotate the WIDTH control, my filters are sequenced in and out as expected.

No CAT is currently connected.

At least it’s not fatal, but it would be nice to get the function back before 
Saturday.

73/TU,

Nick, WA5BDU
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift and lo/hi cut no longer working

2015-04-08 Thread Chris Hallinan
Yes, that was the issue.  Thanks, Wayne and all!
Still getting to know my new K3!

73,
Chris - K1AY

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> You probably turned on CW QRQ mode. See CONFIG:CW QRQ.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Apr 3, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Chris Hallinan  wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Somehow I managed to get my K3 into some state where the shift function
> > doesn't shift, and I'm unable to select the alternate functions of the
> > shift and width knobs to hi/lo cut.
> >
> > Mode CW, VFO-A, nothing unusual.  LEDs show Shift and Width functions
> > enabled.
> >
> > When I rotate Shift, the vfo-b display simply shows FC *0.48 (my pitch,
> the
> > center of the passband.)  It does not shift.  Width control works.  I've
> > power cycled, still no joy.  No software connected, either. Pressing each
> > button does nothing.  (Should go to alternate mode, ie lo/hi cut.  Long
> > pressing shift does normalize.  It's only the functions associated with
> the
> > shift knob.
> >
> > What gives?  What did I do wrong?
> >
> > Chris
> > K1AY
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] SHIFT/WIDTH in DATA A mode

2015-04-05 Thread Wayne Burdick
SYNC DATA provides a very short turnaround time by disabling operations that 
would require switching the synthesizer frequency between receive and transmit. 
(This is analogous to CW QRQ mode.) If you have the new synth installed 
(KSYN3A), the delays will be much shorter even with SYNC DATA turned off.

73,
Wayne
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On Apr 5, 2015, at 8:27 AM, hb9brj  wrote:

> I was able to narrow down the problem. It is related to SYNC DATA
> (CONFIG:SYNC DT) which forces the same crystal filter to be used for both RX
> and TX. As long as SYNC DATA is OFF everything works as expected.
> 
> If SYNC DATA is ON:
> (1) Toggling between SHIFT/WIDTH and LO/HI CUT is inhibited
> (2) SHIFT control is inactive
> (3) LO CUT and HI CUT both act as WIDTH control
> 
> Am not sure if these limitations are a logical consequence of SYNC DATA ON
> or an unwanted side-effect.
> 
> 73, Markus HB9BRJ
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] SHIFT/WIDTH in DATA A mode

2015-04-05 Thread hb9brj
I was able to narrow down the problem. It is related to SYNC DATA
(CONFIG:SYNC DT) which forces the same crystal filter to be used for both RX
and TX. As long as SYNC DATA is OFF everything works as expected.

If SYNC DATA is ON:
(1) Toggling between SHIFT/WIDTH and LO/HI CUT is inhibited
(2) SHIFT control is inactive
(3) LO CUT and HI CUT both act as WIDTH control

Am not sure if these limitations are a logical consequence of SYNC DATA ON
or an unwanted side-effect.

73, Markus HB9BRJ



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[Elecraft] [K3] SHIFT/WIDTH in DATA A mode

2015-04-04 Thread hb9brj
After a long pause I started to operate in PACTOR again. My K3 behaves
differently today compared to earlier firmware some years ago. Current FW is
MCU 05.14, FPF 01.19, DSP 02.83.

In DATA A mode:
(1) PITCH shows N/A, in contradiction to the user manual. Seems to be fixed
at 1500 Hz. That's fine with me, as I can adjust the mark/space tones in my
PACTOR modem accordingly.

(2) SHIFT/WIDTH controls are showing a strange behaviour:
Based on the green LEDs next to the 2 controls, only LO/HI CUT is available,
SHIFT/WIDTH is not. When moving LO/HI cut, filter graphic and VFO B display
are both indicating a LO/HI cut, but what effectively happens is a width
variation. Verification is easy: Acoustically or on the P3 display.

73, Markus HB9BRJ




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shift and lo/hi cut no longer working

2015-04-03 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Chris,

You probably turned on CW QRQ mode. See CONFIG:CW QRQ.

73,
Wayne
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On Apr 3, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Chris Hallinan  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Somehow I managed to get my K3 into some state where the shift function
> doesn't shift, and I'm unable to select the alternate functions of the
> shift and width knobs to hi/lo cut.
> 
> Mode CW, VFO-A, nothing unusual.  LEDs show Shift and Width functions
> enabled.
> 
> When I rotate Shift, the vfo-b display simply shows FC *0.48 (my pitch, the
> center of the passband.)  It does not shift.  Width control works.  I've
> power cycled, still no joy.  No software connected, either. Pressing each
> button does nothing.  (Should go to alternate mode, ie lo/hi cut.  Long
> pressing shift does normalize.  It's only the functions associated with the
> shift knob.
> 
> What gives?  What did I do wrong?
> 
> Chris
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[Elecraft] K3 shift and lo/hi cut no longer working

2015-04-03 Thread Chris Hallinan
Hi folks,

Somehow I managed to get my K3 into some state where the shift function
doesn't shift, and I'm unable to select the alternate functions of the
shift and width knobs to hi/lo cut.

Mode CW, VFO-A, nothing unusual.  LEDs show Shift and Width functions
enabled.

When I rotate Shift, the vfo-b display simply shows FC *0.48 (my pitch, the
center of the passband.)  It does not shift.  Width control works.  I've
power cycled, still no joy.  No software connected, either. Pressing each
button does nothing.  (Should go to alternate mode, ie lo/hi cut.  Long
pressing shift does normalize.  It's only the functions associated with the
shift knob.

What gives?  What did I do wrong?

Chris
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shift and Width encoders sluggish

2015-03-13 Thread Wayne Burdick
Gary Gregory  wrote:

> ...a very expensive shipping cost to and from the factory….

Gary,

We've been shipping the K3 since 2008. Things do wear out, sometimes, with 
products that get nearly continuous use (like K3s). We strive to locate and 
ship the best-quality parts we can that are compatible with the existing PC 
boards. And we do improve module designs as time permits.

That said, you seem to have an extreme case.

If you don't want to incur the cost of having us make these simple repairs or 
mods, perhaps you can find someone locally in VK--a PC or appliance repair 
shop, maybe even another ham with the needed tools. We can put together a 
package deal on all of the parts you think are required to bring your K3 back 
up to full health. I'll see to it that you're given pricing commensurate with 
your long history as a K3 owner.

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shift and Width encoders sluggish

2015-03-13 Thread Gary Gregory
Bad decoders, "Tin" pins, audio/speaker issues, intermittant keypad
responses, RIT encoder issue etc have rendered my early K3 pretty useless.
Add a very expensive shipping cost to and from the factory prohibitive,
mine has now been set aside and earmarked for scrap.

Support at Elecraft is excellent and those folks work hard at helping
customers but a non-responsive factory let them down badly if you need to
discuss your concerns.

Gary
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K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 14/03/2015 3:57 AM, "Roger D Johnson"  wrote:

> The 4 encoders to the left of the main tuning knob all have a "notchy" feel
> to them whereas the RIT encoder feels smooth. Is this normal? Are the
> newest encoders notchy or smooth? Is the displayed frequency supposed
> to change when the RIT knob is turned even when RIT is off?
>
> 73, Roger
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shift and Width encoders sluggish

2015-03-13 Thread Roger D Johnson

The 4 encoders to the left of the main tuning knob all have a "notchy" feel
to them whereas the RIT encoder feels smooth. Is this normal? Are the
newest encoders notchy or smooth? Is the displayed frequency supposed
to change when the RIT knob is turned even when RIT is off?

73, Roger


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shift and Width encoders sluggish

2015-03-13 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
I think there was a bad batch of decoders or decoders that didn't 
perform as claimed.  I am not sure mine have ever worked right. Unless 
you have two radios to compare to one would never know and there was 
never anything sent out that said hey if your encoders are acting wonky 
you might have got some bad ones.


Similar pin issue with the power boards.  I am unclear why Elecraft 
using inferior parts all of sudden became my problem.


These are defects and while my K3's are no longer under warranty, the 
amount of defects and how they are handled will factor in to decision 
making on future radio purchases.  The decoder issue might have been a 
warranty issue if I knew to look for it.


Mike W0MU

On 3/13/2015 9:32 AM, bruce whitney via Elecraft wrote:

Perhaps Eric will clear this up but maybe my experience can
help with this issue.
The last time I sent one of my K3's back for some work - I
mentioned that those four encoders in that cluster had a noticeable and 
undesirable
'backlash' feel to them - could they do something about it?I was told by the 
Elecraft tech that they had supplied
several generations of those controls - I think - one was arbitrarily changed
by the supplier and another Elecraft changed suppliers, or part numbers - or
whatever. The bottom line being that not all encoders are alike. I had them
changed out for the latest generation which are just great. They were very
inexpensive - and very little labor - provided you already had the front cover
removed for other purposes.
I recommend the new controls and when I send my other K3
back in a few days for the new synthesizer, and a few other upgrades - I am
going to get the new controls on it as well.73, Bruce W8RA
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[Elecraft] K3 Shift and Width encoders sluggish

2015-03-13 Thread bruce whitney via Elecraft
Perhaps Eric will clear this up but maybe my experience can
help with this issue.
The last time I sent one of my K3's back for some work - I
mentioned that those four encoders in that cluster had a noticeable and 
undesirable
'backlash' feel to them - could they do something about it?I was told by the 
Elecraft tech that they had supplied
several generations of those controls - I think - one was arbitrarily changed
by the supplier and another Elecraft changed suppliers, or part numbers - or
whatever. The bottom line being that not all encoders are alike. I had them
changed out for the latest generation which are just great. They were very
inexpensive - and very little labor - provided you already had the front cover
removed for other purposes.
I recommend the new controls and when I send my other K3
back in a few days for the new synthesizer, and a few other upgrades - I am
going to get the new controls on it as well.73, Bruce W8RA  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shift and Width encoders sluggish

2015-03-11 Thread Chester Alderman
About 756 years ago (actually last month -- it just seems like a long time
ago) I sold my K3 and am now waiting for a new one, however with that K3
(that I owned for 5 years), started having issues with Width and Shift
encoders. I finally discovered if I turned off QSK and QRQ, those problems
disappeared. So you might check the setting of QRQ and QSK to see if that
solves the responsiveness of those encoders.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shift and Width encoders sluggish

I am having the same issue with the PWR, Width, and Shift encoders as
well...
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On Tue, 2015-03-10 at 22:23 -0600, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> They tend to be not very responsive.  The power and speed encoders work 
> much smoother.
> 
> Could they be dirty or is this possibly a known issue?
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shift and Width encoders sluggish

2015-03-11 Thread David Cole
I am having the same issue with the PWR, Width, and Shift encoders as
well...
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On Tue, 2015-03-10 at 22:23 -0600, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> They tend to be not very responsive.  The power and speed encoders work 
> much smoother.
> 
> Could they be dirty or is this possibly a known issue?
> 

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[Elecraft] K3 Shift and Width encoders sluggish

2015-03-10 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
They tend to be not very responsive.  The power and speed encoders work 
much smoother.


Could they be dirty or is this possibly a known issue?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 (shift widt )

2015-02-27 Thread Wayne Burdick
Do you have CONFIG:CW QRQ = ON? QRQ mode disables certain features, including 
filter shifting.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



On Feb 27, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Viggo Magnus Nilsen  wrote:

> Hello Elecraft user's
> 
> 
> Problem or not ??  I cant adjust the SHIFT WIDTH pssband tune in CW mode., it 
> work ok in SSB., when trying adjustment the display info is : *FC 80, have 
> reloaded the Firmware, the width in the ''filter'' work ok., any idea ?
> 
> 
> 73' Viggo  LA9NEA



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[Elecraft] K3 (shift widt )

2015-02-27 Thread Viggo Magnus Nilsen
Hello Elecraft user's


Problem or not ??  I cant adjust the SHIFT WIDTH pssband tune in CW mode., it 
work ok in SSB., when trying adjustment the display info is : *FC 80, have 
reloaded the Firmware, the width in the ''filter'' work ok., any idea ?


73' Viggo  LA9NEA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift/Width encoder pulse noise?

2009-12-07 Thread James Sarte
Hi Joe,

Thanks for the reply.  I don't think it's much of an issue either.  Only
reason I asked is I recently replaced front panels.  I didn't know if I
screwed something up during the transplant.  I do not recall hearing the
same ticking/pulse noise with the previous hardware.  Good to know I'm in
the clear.

73 de James K2QI


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Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:26 PM
To: James Sarte
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift/Width encoder pulse noise?

Hi James,

As far as the noise when you turn shift/width, yes, I hear it too.  I  
assume it's the result of changing the DSP filter parameters.  If done  
while it's processing a strong signal it seems there's bound to be  
some artifacts.  I don't know if anything can be done to quiet them.   
I personally don't consider it a problem, but others might object to it.

As for the shift/width not altering the sub-RX settings unless you're  
in B-set, I think that's normal unless you're in diversity mode.

As for the different feel of the encoders, I can't comment.  Haven't  
had to replace mine.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift/Width encoder pulse noise?

2009-12-07 Thread Joe Planisky
Hi James,

As far as the noise when you turn shift/width, yes, I hear it too.  I  
assume it's the result of changing the DSP filter parameters.  If done  
while it's processing a strong signal it seems there's bound to be  
some artifacts.  I don't know if anything can be done to quiet them.   
I personally don't consider it a problem, but others might object to it.

As for the shift/width not altering the sub-RX settings unless you're  
in B-set, I think that's normal unless you're in diversity mode.

As for the different feel of the encoders, I can't comment.  Haven't  
had to replace mine.

73
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On Dec 7, 2009, at 4:54 PM, James Sarte wrote:

>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:18 PM, James Sarte   
> wrote:
>
>> whenever I turn the filter shift or
>> width knobs now, I get a fairly loud encoder pulse noise.

[snip]

>> Also, when switching over to the sub receiver, rotating the width/ 
>> shift
>> knobs don't have an effect unless I enter the B-set menu.
>>

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift/Width encoder pulse noise?

2009-12-07 Thread James Sarte
Odd... a few days have passed and not a single response to my query.  I did
some searching and noticed people have mentioned "ticks" or "ticking" when
rotating the width knob, but I'm not sure if what I've described can be
considered the same thing.

Anyway, does anyone care to comment or should I forget about it? Obviously
my question doesn't seem to be as important as others.

73 de James K2QI

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:18 PM, James Sarte  wrote:

> Greetings reflector fans,
>
> I noticed something odd tonight with my K3; something I've never noticed
> before.  I decided to do some SWL'ing around 40m and test out the relatively
> new Sync-AM feature.  All works well but whenever I turn the filter shift or
> width knobs now, I get a fairly loud encoder pulse noise.  This is similar
> to the VFO encoder hash on 5 MHz that I used to get prior to the
> hardware/software mod implementation.  This enoder pulse/hash sounds loudest
> when the received signal is strongest, or when using an antenna jack that
> has an antenna connected.  I can't seem to replicate the problem on 20m.
> Also, when switching over to the sub receiver, rotating the width/shift
> knobs don't have an effect unless I enter the B-set menu.
>
> The noise seems to be present in all modes (AM, CW, Data, USB, and LSB).
>
> This is with the latest beta firmware; 3.63.  I've just reverted back to
> 3.42 to see if there's a change, and there isn't (perhaps the hash isn't as
> loud, but it's still there).
>
> I recently replaced my FP due to my original FP's encoders going bad.  I
> have a new FP that I replaced myself.  The encoders used in the new FP
> have a stiffer resistance to turning and don't have the detent feel any
> more.  I'm not sure if something could have happened when I replaced the
> panel, but I doubt it as everything else seems to work FB.
>
> Anyway, just thought I'd toss this out there.  Anyone have any
> suggestions?  Anyone notice anything similar?
>
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>



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[Elecraft] K3: Shift/Width encoder pulse noise?

2009-12-05 Thread James Sarte
Greetings reflector fans,

I noticed something odd tonight with my K3; something I've never noticed
before.  I decided to do some SWL'ing around 40m and test out the relatively
new Sync-AM feature.  All works well but whenever I turn the filter shift or
width knobs now, I get a fairly loud encoder pulse noise.  This is similar
to the VFO encoder hash on 5 MHz that I used to get prior to the
hardware/software mod implementation.  This enoder pulse/hash sounds loudest
when the received signal is strongest, or when using an antenna jack that
has an antenna connected.  I can't seem to replicate the problem on 20m.
Also, when switching over to the sub receiver, rotating the width/shift
knobs don't have an effect unless I enter the B-set menu.

The noise seems to be present in all modes (AM, CW, Data, USB, and LSB).

This is with the latest beta firmware; 3.63.  I've just reverted back to
3.42 to see if there's a change, and there isn't (perhaps the hash isn't as
loud, but it's still there).

I recently replaced my FP due to my original FP's encoders going bad.  I
have a new FP that I replaced myself.  The encoders used in the new FP
have a stiffer resistance to turning and don't have the detent feel any
more.  I'm not sure if something could have happened when I replaced the
panel, but I doubt it as everything else seems to work FB.

Anyway, just thought I'd toss this out there.  Anyone have any suggestions?
Anyone notice anything similar?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shift

2009-08-27 Thread Greg - AB7R
Hi Ken.  You can save two unique filter setups using the NORM knob.

1.  First, hold NORM to clear any shift to give you a good starting point.
2.  Now set desired WIDTH and SHIFT the FC to where you want it.
3.  Now do a LONG HOLD of the NORM knob till you see .  Rotate the knob 
while you 
have it pressed to the left to save your custome filter to setting 1. 
4.  Do the same process and rotate to the knob to the RIGHT to save setting 2.

I do this for SSTV and PSK.  Its a quick and easy way to recall a custome 
filter for 
digital modes.

Also, If you use DXLabs (and I believe others can do this as well but its very 
easy in 
DXL) you can enter CAT commands by mode.  So when I use WinWarbler and select 
PSK it 
automatically sets the shift and the BW, and power output to what I want.  No 
need to go 
to the radio to make any changes.  It just happens.

Hope this helps!

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Aug 27 10:51 , Ken Roberson  sent:

>Hello All,
>
>I built S/N 1354 from a kit , with FW 3.25 , I have
>installed most of the mods.
>I operate digi modes some of the time and I need to
>set the shift to 1.25 instead of 1.50 to be centered
>in the IF strip. It's been this way ever since I built
>it. I'm not sure what I have setup wrong .
>All filters are 8 pole .
>With the new shift steps set to 10 hz the shift control
>knob needs to be set all the way to the left ( 1.28 )
>to be centered.
>
>Also on 160 M when I rotate the RIT knob fast to change
>the frequency I have some kind of image, Not sure what
>this is ??
>
>Thanks for your help
>73 Ken K5DNL
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[Elecraft] K3 Shift

2009-08-27 Thread Ken Roberson
Hello All,

I built S/N 1354 from a kit , with FW 3.25 , I have
installed most of the mods.
I operate digi modes some of the time and I need to
set the shift to 1.25 instead of 1.50 to be centered
in the IF strip. It's been this way ever since I built
it. I'm not sure what I have setup wrong .
All filters are 8 pole .
With the new shift steps set to 10 hz the shift control
knob needs to be set all the way to the left ( 1.28 )
to be centered.

Also on 160 M when I rotate the RIT knob fast to change
the frequency I have some kind of image, Not sure what
this is ??

Thanks for your help
73 Ken K5DNL


  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift is at *61, not where it was before

2009-07-31 Thread Ken K3IU
You probably inadvertently set your PITCH to 610. Try resetting it to 
600 and see if that solves your problem.

73, Ken K3IU

Brian Pepperdine wrote:
>
> I have noticed what I think is small but inexplicable change in my K3 shift.
>
> Up until a few weeks ago (when I had some other odd issue with the sidetone 
> going to zero hz, thus the crystal filter not seeming to work...)
> my shift "centre frequency" was 60.
> That is, that is where I think the normal is and was demarcated by an 
> asterisk, hence it read *60, and then 55, 50, 45 etc going down, and then 
> when going back up the 60 had the *60 marker.
>
> Now the marker is *61. Things still go down and up in 5 hz increments when 
> shifting but the default/normal marked is *61.
>
> Why is this? What happened? I don't really discern much diffence (being doing 
> contacts in cw with no problem) ..
> but the mystery of how this changed and how to change it back (simply to be 
> back to 5 hz steps...?) is pestering me.
>
> And yes, my tired eyes don't see much of anything on this in the manuals. But 
> then again my wife has to find my jam for breakfast.
>
> tnx
> Brien Pepperdine
> VE3VAW
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift is at *61, not where it was before

2009-07-31 Thread Brian Pepperdine



I have noticed what I think is small but inexplicable change in my K3 shift.

Up until a few weeks ago (when I had some other odd issue with the sidetone 
going to zero hz, thus the crystal filter not seeming to work...)
my shift "centre frequency" was 60.
That is, that is where I think the normal is and was demarcated by an asterisk, 
hence it read *60, and then 55, 50, 45 etc going down, and then when going back 
up the 60 had the *60 marker.

Now the marker is *61. Things still go down and up in 5 hz increments when 
shifting but the default/normal marked is *61.

Why is this? What happened? I don't really discern much diffence (being doing 
contacts in cw with no problem) ..
but the mystery of how this changed and how to change it back (simply to be 
back to 5 hz steps...?) is pestering me.

And yes, my tired eyes don't see much of anything on this in the manuals. But 
then again my wife has to find my jam for breakfast.

tnx
Brien Pepperdine
VE3VAW
Toronto
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[Elecraft] K3 SHIFT / WIDTH oddity

2009-07-20 Thread Joe Planisky
Hey Folks,

I'm trying to determine whether an oddity I'm experiencing with the  
DSP filter is unique to my K3, or might be a general firmware bug.   
I'm using the beta 3.19 firmware, but have not tried it on earlier  
versions to see if it's unique to 3.19.

I have the 13 kHz, 2.7 kHz, and 400 Hz filters installed.

1. Go to a clear spot on any band (i.e. no signals, just noise). CW  
mode.

2. Set the "SHIFT" control to the minimum value (FC 0.15 on my rig).

3. Set the "WIDTH" control to BW 1.20.  Note the sound of the noise.

4. Rotate the "WIDTH" control CCW.  At BW 1.00, there's a drastic  
change in the noise.  The low frequencies disappear.

5. Continue rotating "WIDTH" CCW. At BW 0.85, the low frequencies re- 
appear and remain present through the minimum width (BW 0.05)

Here are (very rough) readings I took of the -6 dB points with  
Spectrogram:

BWf lo  f hi
1.20  145   689
1.10  183   695
1.00  360   586
0.95  358   574
0.90  365   574
0.85  166   501
0.80  168   490
0.75  181   480

The shift on the low frequency end by nearly an octave between 1.0 and  
0.90 is clearly visible.  Note that throughout these readings, the  
XFIL display indicated FL2 (my 2.7 kHz) filter was being used.

If anyone else can reproduce this, please let me know.

73
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: shift granularity: suggestion

2009-01-28 Thread Ignacy

To me the current granularity with SHIFT/WIDTH  (50 Hz) is fine.  With LO/HI
it is 100Hz, which is too high for LO. Also, LO often changes from 0.00 to
0.20 in one step, and taking it to 0.10 takes an extra step. Seems like a
bug.
Ignacy 




DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
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> Wayne said,
> We're planning to improve SHIFT granularity (etc.) in a future firmware
> release.
> 
> I hope that this will be an added option in the CONFIG. menu.  I like
> it the way it is now (fast)...at least for cw.  I am really not
> looking forward to having to "spin" that tiny knob to move in 10hz
> steps.
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[Elecraft] K3: shift granularity: suggestion

2009-01-27 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Wayne said,
We're planning to improve SHIFT granularity (etc.) in a future firmware release.

I hope that this will be an added option in the CONFIG. menu.  I like
it the way it is now (fast)...at least for cw.  I am really not
looking forward to having to "spin" that tiny knob to move in 10hz
steps.

de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] K3 SHIFT/WIDTH QUESTION

2008-08-31 Thread k4pi
Just finished SN/1542..  One probably operating question I have is about the 
SHFIT/WIDTH in CW.  In the II mode the controls work as advertised but in 
the I mode the roofing filter switches back to FL1 anytime I move 
SHIFT/WIDTH.  It reverts to FC *.050 for SHIFT and will not change with the 
Shift Knob and the Width will not go lower than 600.  I have tried setting 
them up following the instruction on page 34 with no sucess.  Any replies 
direct.  73 Mike 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift behaviour

2008-05-11 Thread David Pratt

In a recent message, Alexandr Kobranov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ...

want to know if i missed something:

- when on CW mode turning SHIFT to low-end it is going to 0.00 and then 
jump to 2.7 and radio is "off"


No, you are not missing anything, L., I am getting exactly the same as 
you in CW mode only.  I have reported it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but 
have not had an acknowledgement.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift behaviour

2008-05-11 Thread Alexandr Kobranov

Ok Ken,
thanks,

will go through later - maybe there are some other params to check.
And reload FW :-)

Thanks for now,
73!
L. -dst-
K3/10 #727


Ken K3IU napsal(a):
I can not duplicate this on #202 with the latest firmware. It stops at 
FC=0.10 even if I keep rotating the knob anti-clockwise.

73,
Ken K3IU

Alexandr Kobranov wrote:

Hello friends,
want to know if i missed something:

- when on CW mode turning SHIFT to low-end it is going to 0.00 and 
then jump to 2.7 and radio is "off" (no signal like I/F switched off).
It is for BANDWIDTH 2.8kHz and the same for 0.05kHz so bandwidth 
independent.

On SSB mode SHIFT is going to 0.4 and stop here, no jump to 2.7.
Latest F/W installed.
There should be some limits based on PITCH settings and bandwith or not?
Tried to look in wiki and nothing about this there.

http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_anomalies_that_are_considered_normal 



Maybe it is known, maybe not, maybe it is not normal, maybe yes...
Any comments?

73!
L. -dst-
K3/10 #272
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift behaviour

2008-05-11 Thread Ken K3IU
I can not duplicate this on #202 with the latest firmware. It stops at 
FC=0.10 even if I keep rotating the knob anti-clockwise.

73,
Ken K3IU

Alexandr Kobranov wrote:

Hello friends,
want to know if i missed something:

- when on CW mode turning SHIFT to low-end it is going to 0.00 and 
then jump to 2.7 and radio is "off" (no signal like I/F switched off).
It is for BANDWIDTH 2.8kHz and the same for 0.05kHz so bandwidth 
independent.

On SSB mode SHIFT is going to 0.4 and stop here, no jump to 2.7.
Latest F/W installed.
There should be some limits based on PITCH settings and bandwith or not?
Tried to look in wiki and nothing about this there.

http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_anomalies_that_are_considered_normal 



Maybe it is known, maybe not, maybe it is not normal, maybe yes...
Any comments?

73!
L. -dst-
K3/10 #272
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[Elecraft] K3: Shift behaviour

2008-05-11 Thread Alexandr Kobranov

Hello friends,
want to know if i missed something:

- when on CW mode turning SHIFT to low-end it is going to 0.00 and 
then jump to 2.7 and radio is "off" (no signal like I/F switched off).
It is for BANDWIDTH 2.8kHz and the same for 0.05kHz so bandwidth 
independent.

On SSB mode SHIFT is going to 0.4 and stop here, no jump to 2.7.
Latest F/W installed.
There should be some limits based on PITCH settings and bandwith or not?
Tried to look in wiki and nothing about this there.

http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_anomalies_that_are_considered_normal

Maybe it is known, maybe not, maybe it is not normal, maybe yes...
Any comments?

73!
L. -dst-
K3/10 #272
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