Re: [PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

[MIKE SHERMAN]

 
 
  
   This is subtle. If you’re selling appliance connectors as components in the Au/NZ market, they are likely treated differently than those appliance connectors that are only sold as part of equipment. 
   Mike Sherman 
  
  
   Sherman PSC LLC
  
  
   
On 04/18/2023 11:31 AM Scott Aldous <0220f70c299a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
   
   

   
   

   
   
Be careful. Appliance connectors are AU Level 3 equipment. You can find the full list in AS/NZS 4417.2.
   
   
   

 On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 9:27 AM Ryan Jazz <rjayasin...@yamahaguitargroup.com> wrote:
 


 
  
   
Hello List Members,
An update that the NRTL withdrew their request for the “Australia/NZ”  approvals document for the appliance inlet
The IEC certificate was acceptable.
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz

 Ryan Jayasinghe
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 rjayasin...@line6.com
  
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  From: Ryan Jazz Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:36 PMTo: emc-p...@ieee.orgSubject: Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?
 

 
Dear list members,
We are trying to get a CB Report for our guitar amplifier from our local NRTL.
For the Australia/New Zealand deviations they are asking us to provide an ‘Australia/NZ’ approval document for the appliance inlet.
Is this a new requirement, I always thought Australia/New Zealand accepts IEC approvals.
If it is a new requirement does anyone know the regulation name or standard number.
Thank you,
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com
 
"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley
 
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Re: [PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

[Scott Aldous]

Be careful. Appliance connectors are AU Level 3 equipment
<https://www.eess.gov.au/registration/registration-in-scope-electrical-equipment/level-3/>.
You can find the full list in AS/NZS 4417.2
<https://www.standards.govt.nz/shop/asnzs-4417-22020/>.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 9:27 AM Ryan Jazz 
wrote:

> Hello List Members,
>
> An update that the NRTL withdrew their request for the “Australia/NZ”
>  approvals document for the appliance inlet
>
> The IEC certificate was acceptable.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ryan Jazz
>
> Ryan Jayasinghe
>
> Regulatory Compliance Engineer
>
> rjayasin...@line6.com
>
>
>
> "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" -
> Aldous Huxley
>
>
>
> LINE6
>
> 26580 Agoura Road
>
> Calabasas CA 91302
>
> line6.com
>
> ampeg.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Jazz
> *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2023 1:36 PM
> *To:* emc-p...@ieee.org
> *Subject:* Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320
> Appliance Inlet ?
>
>
>
> Dear list members,
>
> We are trying to get a CB Report for our guitar amplifier from our local
> NRTL.
>
> For the Australia/New Zealand deviations they are asking us to provide an
> ‘Australia/NZ’ approval document for the appliance inlet.
>
> Is this a new requirement, I always thought Australia/New Zealand accepts
> IEC approvals.
>
> If it is a new requirement does anyone know the regulation name or
> standard number.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ryan Jazz
>
> Ryan Jayasinghe
>
> Regulatory Compliance Engineer
>
> rjayasin...@line6.com
>
>
>
> "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" -
> Aldous Huxley
>
>
>
> LINE6
>
> 26580 Agoura Road
>
> Calabasas CA 91302
>
> line6.com
>
> ampeg.com
>
>
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Re: [PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

[Ryan Jazz]

Hello List Members,
An update that the NRTL withdrew their request for the "Australia/NZ"  
approvals document for the appliance inlet
The IEC certificate was acceptable.
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com<mailto:rjayasin...@line6.com>

"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous 
Huxley

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From: Ryan Jazz
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:36 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance 
Inlet ?

Dear list members,
We are trying to get a CB Report for our guitar amplifier from our local NRTL.
For the Australia/New Zealand deviations they are asking us to provide an 
'Australia/NZ' approval document for the appliance inlet.
Is this a new requirement, I always thought Australia/New Zealand accepts IEC 
approvals.
If it is a new requirement does anyone know the regulation name or standard 
number.
Thank you,
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com<mailto:rjayasin...@line6.com>

"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous 
Huxley

LINE6
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line6.com
ampeg.com


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[PSES] AW: [PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

[Dürrer Bernd]

Hi Ryan,
If the national adoption of the IEC standard contains modifications, you need a 
CB report that approves compliance with these national deviations. According to 
the Australian Standards website, IEC 60320-1 has been adopted there with 
national modifications (AS/NZS 60320.1-2012 - Standards 
Australia<https://www.standards.org.au/standards-catalogue/sa-snz/electrotechnology/el-004/as-slash-nzs--60320-dot-1-2012>).
 Unfortunately, I do not have the AS/NZS edition of this standard and do not 
know the content of these modifications. Sometimes, such modifications are 
mentioned in the international IEC edition: For example, IEC 60335-1:2020 
mentions in the foreword that 0,5 mm² supply cords are not allowed for class I 
appliances in Australia and New Zealand. My experience with national deviations 
in other AS/NZS standard has been that such modifications may be only editorial 
(e.g. replacing references to other IEC standards by reference to AS/NZS 
standards which in turn are equivalent or identical to their IEC counterpart), 
but sometimes also technical (e.g. specific requirements for supply voltage and 
frequency to be used for testing).
Therefore, you should request evidence from your appliance inlet supplier that 
the inlet complies with AS/NZS 60320.1. Alternatively, you (or your supplier) 
could purchase a copy of the AS/NZS edition: If the national deviations are not 
relevant for your inlet, you may try to convince your local NRTL to accept your 
plug as compliant with AS/NZS 60320.1.
Kind regards,
Bernd

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Dear list members,
We are trying to get a CB Report for our guitar amplifier from our local NRTL.
For the Australia/New Zealand deviations they are asking us to provide an 
‘Australia/NZ’ approval document for the appliance inlet.
Is this a new requirement, I always thought Australia/New Zealand accepts IEC 
approvals.
If it is a new requirement does anyone know the regulation name or standard 
number.
Thank you,
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com<mailto:rjayasin...@line6.com>

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[PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

[Ryan Jazz]

Dear list members,
We are trying to get a CB Report for our guitar amplifier from our local NRTL.
For the Australia/New Zealand deviations they are asking us to provide an 
'Australia/NZ' approval document for the appliance inlet.
Is this a new requirement, I always thought Australia/New Zealand accepts IEC 
approvals.
If it is a new requirement does anyone know the regulation name or standard 
number.
Thank you,
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com<mailto:rjayasin...@line6.com>

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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Does Hong Kong require same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as China?

[Ted Eckert]

Hello Monrad,

Hong Kong still has a completely separate regulatory regime from China. You 
will likely find importing to Hong Kong far simpler than Chinese approvals. As 
far as I am aware, most products will not require marking for Hong Kong. It 
will likely require minimal work if you don't have radios in the products.

Best regards,
Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
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From: Monrad Monsen 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:37 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Does Hong Kong require same EMC/Safety/RoHS 
approvals and labeling as China?

Does Hong Kong require the same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as 
China?  My focus is on regulation of automated data processing products like 
servers, PCs, disk arrays, switches, power distribution units (PDUs) and rack 
integrated systems.  For example, China requires that servers and PCs be 
labeled with a CCC mark for EMC & Safety and also Environment Friendly Use 
Period (EFUP) labeling for RoHS.  Is this required for Hong Kong as well?

Of course, Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region under the People's 
Republic of China since 1 July 1997, but they have a "high degree of autonomy" 
in all matters except foreign and defense affairs for the subsequent 50 years.  
The products I support already have CCC & EFUP labeling and approvals so the 
topic has not come up until now when we might be importing a few 3rd party 
products into Hong Kong.

Thanks.

Monrad Monsen


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[PSES] Does Hong Kong require same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as China?

[Monrad Monsen]

Does Hong Kong require the same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as 
China?  My focus is on regulation of automated data processing products like 
servers, PCs, disk arrays, switches, power distribution units (PDUs) and rack 
integrated systems.  For example, China requires that servers and PCs be 
labeled with a CCC mark for EMC & Safety and also Environment Friendly Use 
Period (EFUP) labeling for RoHS.  Is this required for Hong Kong as well?

 

Of course, Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region under the People's 
Republic of China since 1 July 1997, but they have a "high degree of autonomy" 
in all matters except foreign and defense affairs for the subsequent 50 years.  
The products I support already have CCC & EFUP labeling and approvals so the 
topic has not come up until now when we might be importing a few 3rd party 
products into Hong Kong.

 

Thanks.

 

Monrad Monsen

 

 

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Re: [PSES] South Africa radio approvals

[Schmidt, Mark]

Hi Doug,

Yes, this is normal. I do not believe 3rd parties could influence or expedite 
services with the ICASA due to the fact that they may be in violation of their 
own anti-bribery polices. That couldn't happen could it?

Regards,
Mark

From: Kealey, Doug [mailto:doug.kea...@garmin.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 11:47 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] South Africa radio approvals

Hi All,
Our ICASA product submittals (for products with BT/WiFi/ANT radios) in South 
Africa are taking months due to the long turnaround time.  One of our managers 
in our S. Africa office has met with the ICASA management, but there is still 
no solution to their backlog.  Has anyone found a faster way, or an alternative 
to going through ICASA to receive approvals?

Perhaps a 3rd party offers a way to expedite a submittal to completion at ICASA 
if there is no better path.  I have not yet started asking all the 3rd parties 
(that email me frequently) about this, but I probably will,

Thank you for any ideas, contacts or suggestions you can offer.

Best regards,
Doug Kealey
Regulatory and Environmental Affairs Manager
Garmin International, Inc.
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[PSES] South Africa radio approvals

[Kealey, Doug]

Hi All,
Our ICASA product submittals (for products with BT/WiFi/ANT radios) in South 
Africa are taking months due to the long turnaround time.  One of our managers 
in our S. Africa office has met with the ICASA management, but there is still 
no solution to their backlog.  Has anyone found a faster way, or an alternative 
to going through ICASA to receive approvals?

Perhaps a 3rd party offers a way to expedite a submittal to completion at ICASA 
if there is no better path.  I have not yet started asking all the 3rd parties 
(that email me frequently) about this, but I probably will,

Thank you for any ideas, contacts or suggestions you can offer.

Best regards,
Doug Kealey
Regulatory and Environmental Affairs Manager
Garmin International, Inc.
Olathe, Kansas USA
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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[Regan Arndt]

Thanks to everyone who responded. I received a few specific examples and a
special thanks to those who were able to share this.
I can now state confidently that not much has changed in this industry
regarding this topic since I first started.go figure
It also appears that component manufacturers have become more creative,
elusive and sometime devious

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:30 PM, John Allen <
09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote:

> Velly Good J
>
>
>
> *From:* John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
> *Sent:* 22 September 2017 21:20
>
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency
> approvals
>
>
>
> All fluxed up!
>
>
>
> With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
>
> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England
>
>
>
> UK is a sovereignty, not a Zollverein-ty
>
>
>
> *From:* John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org
> <09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org>]
> *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 9:05 PM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency
> approvals
>
>
>
> And, as an example of “sorting” a supplier,  we began to get hipot
> failures on a product and tracked it down to a simple IEC power outlet
> which was flashing over – the problem was finally tracked down to the
> supplier of the outlet assembly having changed the flux used for soldering
> wires to the outlet pins to one where the residue was conductive! When we
> “persuaded” them to change the flux back to the original type, the problem
> disappeared J.
>
>
>
> John E Allen
>
> W. London, UK
>
>
>
> *From:* Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org <ri...@ieee.org>]
> *Sent:* 22 September 2017 20:13
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency
> approvals
>
>
>
>
>
> Back when I was working…
>
>
>
> For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec).  For purchased
> parts, the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec.
> This drawing equated our part number to the manufacturer’s part number.  If
> the part was required to be certified, such was indicated on the drawing.
> This drawing was used for purchasing the part.
>
>
>
> Then, the company did away with incoming inspection.  The certification
> houses had a fit, and threatened to appeal to the president of the
> company.  I told the certification houses that I couldn’t justify setting
> up an inspection process and hiring people to look for the certification
> mark (for which we never had a failure).  (The certification houses had no
> sympathy for our expenses.)  Instead, I invited the certification house
> inspectors to the production line where they could look at the parts as
> they were being installed in the product.  This worked.
>
>
>
> (Some parts are bulk-marked, so the certification mark is on the package.
> In one inspection, the package had been discarded to the compactor.  Our
> manufacturing host climbed into the compactor and retrieved the package!)
>
>
>
> We installed process measurement.  My process measurement was the number
> of inspection deficiencies, any one of which threatened to shut down the
> production line.  So, I instituted a periodic line inspection in
> anticipation of a certification house inspection.  I was much more thorough
> and detailed than the certification house inspectors.  I drove the
> deficiencies to zero.  This infuriated the inspectors, so the certification
> houses sent managers to see why their inspectors could find no
> deficiencies.  Sigh.
>
>
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com
> <brian_ku...@lecotc.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 5:44 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency
> approvals
>
>
>
> We address this possible issue in two ways.
>
>
>
>1. We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical
>Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”.
>When parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the
>certification markings on the parts match the print. If they are different,
>the parts are rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the
>manufacturer changed the certification body, etc.).
>2. The purchase print also has a statement that says that the supplier
>must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including regulatory
>certifica

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[John Allen]

Velly Good J

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: 22 September 2017 21:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

All fluxed up!

 

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England

 

UK is a sovereignty, not a Zollverein-ty

 

From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:05 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

And, as an example of “sorting” a supplier,  we began to get hipot failures on 
a product and tracked it down to a simple IEC power outlet which was flashing 
over – the problem was finally tracked down to the supplier of the outlet 
assembly having changed the flux used for soldering wires to the outlet pins to 
one where the residue was conductive! When we “persuaded” them to change the 
flux back to the original type, the problem disappeared J.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 22 September 2017 20:13
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

 

Back when I was working…

 

For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec).  For purchased parts, 
the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec.  This drawing 
equated our part number to the manufacturer’s part number.  If the part was 
required to be certified, such was indicated on the drawing.  This drawing was 
used for purchasing the part.

 

Then, the company did away with incoming inspection.  The certification houses 
had a fit, and threatened to appeal to the president of the company.  I told 
the certification houses that I couldn’t justify setting up an inspection 
process and hiring people to look for the certification mark (for which we 
never had a failure).  (The certification houses had no sympathy for our 
expenses.)  Instead, I invited the certification house inspectors to the 
production line where they could look at the parts as they were being installed 
in the product.  This worked.

 

(Some parts are bulk-marked, so the certification mark is on the package.  In 
one inspection, the package had been discarded to the compactor.  Our 
manufacturing host climbed into the compactor and retrieved the package!)

 

We installed process measurement.  My process measurement was the number of 
inspection deficiencies, any one of which threatened to shut down the 
production line.  So, I instituted a periodic line inspection in anticipation 
of a certification house inspection.  I was much more thorough and detailed 
than the certification house inspectors.  I drove the deficiencies to zero.  
This infuriated the inspectors, so the certification houses sent managers to 
see why their inspectors could find no deficiencies.  Sigh.

 

Rich

 

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 5:44 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

We address this possible issue in two ways.

 

1.  We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical 
Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When 
parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification 
markings on the parts match the print. If they are different, the parts are 
rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the manufacturer changed 
the certification body, etc.). 
2.  The purchase print also has a statement that says that the supplier 
must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including regulatory 
certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of contract between the 
supplier and the purchasing company.  
3.  Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on an 
annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all safety 
critical components are verified that they are what they are supposed to be and 
verifies the certification markings.  The certification markings is also a type 
of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.  

 

Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows certification 
marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless and as others 
have already pointed out this information can change without warning.  

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

Greetings everyone,

 

My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a 
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their 

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[John Woodgate]

All fluxed up!
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England
 
UK is a sovereignty, not a Zollverein-ty
 
From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:05 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals
 
And, as an example of “sorting” a supplier,  we began to get hipot failures on 
a product and tracked it down to a simple IEC power outlet which was flashing 
over – the problem was finally tracked down to the supplier of the outlet 
assembly having changed the flux used for soldering wires to the outlet pins to 
one where the residue was conductive! When we “persuaded” them to change the 
flux back to the original type, the problem disappeared :).
 
John E Allen
W. London, UK
 
From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 22 September 2017 20:13
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals
 
 
Back when I was working…
 
For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec).  For purchased parts, 
the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec.  This drawing 
equated our part number to the manufacturer’s part number.  If the part was 
required to be certified, such was indicated on the drawing.  This drawing was 
used for purchasing the part.
 
Then, the company did away with incoming inspection.  The certification houses 
had a fit, and threatened to appeal to the president of the company.  I told 
the certification houses that I couldn’t justify setting up an inspection 
process and hiring people to look for the certification mark (for which we 
never had a failure).  (The certification houses had no sympathy for our 
expenses.)  Instead, I invited the certification house inspectors to the 
production line where they could look at the parts as they were being installed 
in the product.  This worked.
 
(Some parts are bulk-marked, so the certification mark is on the package.  In 
one inspection, the package had been discarded to the compactor.  Our 
manufacturing host climbed into the compactor and retrieved the package!)
 
We installed process measurement.  My process measurement was the number of 
inspection deficiencies, any one of which threatened to shut down the 
production line.  So, I instituted a periodic line inspection in anticipation 
of a certification house inspection.  I was much more thorough and detailed 
than the certification house inspectors.  I drove the deficiencies to zero.  
This infuriated the inspectors, so the certification houses sent managers to 
see why their inspectors could find no deficiencies.  Sigh.
 
Rich
 
 
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 5:44 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals
 
We address this possible issue in two ways.
 
1.  We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical 
Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When 
parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification 
markings on the parts match the print. If they are different, the parts are 
rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the manufacturer changed 
the certification body, etc.). 
2.  The purchase print also has a statement that says that the supplier 
must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including regulatory 
certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of contract between the 
supplier and the purchasing company.  
3.  Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on an 
annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all safety 
critical components are verified that they are what they are supposed to be and 
verifies the certification markings.  The certification markings is also a type 
of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.  
 
Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows certification 
marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless and as others 
have already pointed out this information can change without warning.  
 
The Other Brian
 
From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals
 
Greetings everyone,
 
My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a 
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their 
agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.
 
I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also be

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[John Allen]

And, as an example of “sorting” a supplier,  we began to get hipot failures on 
a product and tracked it down to a simple IEC power outlet which was flashing 
over – the problem was finally tracked down to the supplier of the outlet 
assembly having changed the flux used for soldering wires to the outlet pins to 
one where the residue was conductive! When we “persuaded” them to change the 
flux back to the original type, the problem disappeared J.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 22 September 2017 20:13
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

 

Back when I was working…

 

For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec).  For purchased parts, 
the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec.  This drawing 
equated our part number to the manufacturer’s part number.  If the part was 
required to be certified, such was indicated on the drawing.  This drawing was 
used for purchasing the part.

 

Then, the company did away with incoming inspection.  The certification houses 
had a fit, and threatened to appeal to the president of the company.  I told 
the certification houses that I couldn’t justify setting up an inspection 
process and hiring people to look for the certification mark (for which we 
never had a failure).  (The certification houses had no sympathy for our 
expenses.)  Instead, I invited the certification house inspectors to the 
production line where they could look at the parts as they were being installed 
in the product.  This worked.

 

(Some parts are bulk-marked, so the certification mark is on the package.  In 
one inspection, the package had been discarded to the compactor.  Our 
manufacturing host climbed into the compactor and retrieved the package!)

 

We installed process measurement.  My process measurement was the number of 
inspection deficiencies, any one of which threatened to shut down the 
production line.  So, I instituted a periodic line inspection in anticipation 
of a certification house inspection.  I was much more thorough and detailed 
than the certification house inspectors.  I drove the deficiencies to zero.  
This infuriated the inspectors, so the certification houses sent managers to 
see why their inspectors could find no deficiencies.  Sigh.

 

Rich

 

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 5:44 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

We address this possible issue in two ways.

 

1.  We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical 
Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When 
parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification 
markings on the parts match the print. If they are different, the parts are 
rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the manufacturer changed 
the certification body, etc.). 
2.  The purchase print also has a statement that says that the supplier 
must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including regulatory 
certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of contract between the 
supplier and the purchasing company.  
3.  Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on an 
annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all safety 
critical components are verified that they are what they are supposed to be and 
verifies the certification markings.  The certification markings is also a type 
of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.  

 

Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows certification 
marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless and as others 
have already pointed out this information can change without warning.  

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

Greetings everyone,

 

My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a 
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their 
agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.

 

I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the 
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to standards 
harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for the sake of cost 
reduction) on components without changing their respective part number. Or even 
worse, continue to advertise that the component is approved but in reality, it 
is not.

 

Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share? 

 

P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples 
before I present again to our local

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[John Allen]

Rich & Friends

 

I, too in a past life at HP at Bristol, took the same approach of making sure 
that our processes and productions were  well in excess of what past experience 
had shown that UL/CSA inspectors had looked for – and, albeit with a couple of 
minor “glitches”, that resulted in a pretty “smooth ride” thereafter (even much 
earlier on, when things were quite good, a BSI inspector, on behalf of CSA 
IIRC, commented that if the inspectors “look down” a couple of layers and find 
little or nothing then they won’t look much lower – on the basis that they 
found that if there were companies where the first or second layer highlighted 
serious discrepancies then those do have “problems”, whereas with a company 
like us (then) they could probably find issues if they looked deep enough and 
hard enough, but that would not be “fair” and not be an “even playground”).

 

So, the moral is (if you can persuade the management to support you!) to sort 
your potential issues to a deeper level than you can expect from the inspectors 
(OR the “law” if a real problem appears to have surfaced) and then you can rest 
reasonably “easy” – and you hope that your suppliers have done the same! In 
other words, be rigorous with yourselves and check out your suppliers in a 
similar manner, and if they are not then sort or ditch them!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 22 September 2017 20:13
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

 

Back when I was working…

 

For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec).  For purchased parts, 
the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec.  This drawing 
equated our part number to the manufacturer’s part number.  If the part was 
required to be certified, such was indicated on the drawing.  This drawing was 
used for purchasing the part.

 

Then, the company did away with incoming inspection.  The certification houses 
had a fit, and threatened to appeal to the president of the company.  I told 
the certification houses that I couldn’t justify setting up an inspection 
process and hiring people to look for the certification mark (for which we 
never had a failure).  (The certification houses had no sympathy for our 
expenses.)  Instead, I invited the certification house inspectors to the 
production line where they could look at the parts as they were being installed 
in the product.  This worked.

 

(Some parts are bulk-marked, so the certification mark is on the package.  In 
one inspection, the package had been discarded to the compactor.  Our 
manufacturing host climbed into the compactor and retrieved the package!)

 

We installed process measurement.  My process measurement was the number of 
inspection deficiencies, any one of which threatened to shut down the 
production line.  So, I instituted a periodic line inspection in anticipation 
of a certification house inspection.  I was much more thorough and detailed 
than the certification house inspectors.  I drove the deficiencies to zero.  
This infuriated the inspectors, so the certification houses sent managers to 
see why their inspectors could find no deficiencies.  Sigh.

 

Rich

 

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 5:44 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

We address this possible issue in two ways.

 

1.  We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical 
Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When 
parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification 
markings on the parts match the print. If they are different, the parts are 
rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the manufacturer changed 
the certification body, etc.). 
2.  The purchase print also has a statement that says that the supplier 
must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including regulatory 
certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of contract between the 
supplier and the purchasing company.  
3.  Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on an 
annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all safety 
critical components are verified that they are what they are supposed to be and 
verifies the certification markings.  The certification markings is also a type 
of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.  

 

Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows certification 
marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless and as others 
have already pointed out this information can change without warning.  

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Sa

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[Regan Arndt]

LOL.great story! Thanks for sharing!
Damned if you.damned if you don't.

On Sep 22, 2017 12:13 PM, "Richard Nute" <ri...@ieee.org> wrote:



Back when I was working…



For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec).  For purchased
parts, the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec.
This drawing equated our part number to the manufacturer’s part number.  If
the part was required to be certified, such was indicated on the drawing.
This drawing was used for purchasing the part.



Then, the company did away with incoming inspection.  The certification
houses had a fit, and threatened to appeal to the president of the
company.  I told the certification houses that I couldn’t justify setting
up an inspection process and hiring people to look for the certification
mark (for which we never had a failure).  (The certification houses had no
sympathy for our expenses.)  Instead, I invited the certification house
inspectors to the production line where they could look at the parts as
they were being installed in the product.  This worked.



(Some parts are bulk-marked, so the certification mark is on the package.
In one inspection, the package had been discarded to the compactor.  Our
manufacturing host climbed into the compactor and retrieved the package!)



We installed process measurement.  My process measurement was the number of
inspection deficiencies, any one of which threatened to shut down the
production line.  So, I instituted a periodic line inspection in
anticipation of a certification house inspection.  I was much more thorough
and detailed than the certification house inspectors.  I drove the
deficiencies to zero.  This infuriated the inspectors, so the certification
houses sent managers to see why their inspectors could find no
deficiencies.  Sigh.



Rich





*From:* Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
*Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 5:44 AM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency
approvals



We address this possible issue in two ways.



   1. We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical
   Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”.
   When parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the
   certification markings on the parts match the print. If they are different,
   the parts are rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the
   manufacturer changed the certification body, etc.).
   2. The purchase print also has a statement that says that the supplier
   must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including regulatory
   certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of contract between
   the supplier and the purchasing company.
   3. Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on an
   annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all safety
   critical components are verified that they are what they are supposed to be
   and verifies the certification markings.  The certification markings is
   also a type of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.



Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows
certification marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless
and as others have already pointed out this information can change without
warning.



The Other Brian



*From:* Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com <reganar...@gmail.com>]
*Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals



Greetings everyone,



My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify
their agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.



I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to
standards harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for
the sake of cost reduction) on components without changing their respective
part number. Or even worse, continue to advertise that the component is
approved but in reality, it is not.



Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share?



P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.



Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)



Cheers!

Regan
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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[Richard Nute]

 

Back when I was working…

 

For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec).  For purchased parts, 
the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec.  This drawing 
equated our part number to the manufacturer’s part number.  If the part was 
required to be certified, such was indicated on the drawing.  This drawing was 
used for purchasing the part.

 

Then, the company did away with incoming inspection.  The certification houses 
had a fit, and threatened to appeal to the president of the company.  I told 
the certification houses that I couldn’t justify setting up an inspection 
process and hiring people to look for the certification mark (for which we 
never had a failure).  (The certification houses had no sympathy for our 
expenses.)  Instead, I invited the certification house inspectors to the 
production line where they could look at the parts as they were being installed 
in the product.  This worked.

 

(Some parts are bulk-marked, so the certification mark is on the package.  In 
one inspection, the package had been discarded to the compactor.  Our 
manufacturing host climbed into the compactor and retrieved the package!)

 

We installed process measurement.  My process measurement was the number of 
inspection deficiencies, any one of which threatened to shut down the 
production line.  So, I instituted a periodic line inspection in anticipation 
of a certification house inspection.  I was much more thorough and detailed 
than the certification house inspectors.  I drove the deficiencies to zero.  
This infuriated the inspectors, so the certification houses sent managers to 
see why their inspectors could find no deficiencies.  Sigh.

 

Rich

 

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 5:44 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

We address this possible issue in two ways.

 

1.  We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical 
Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When 
parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification 
markings on the parts match the print. If they are different, the parts are 
rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the manufacturer changed 
the certification body, etc.). 
2.  The purchase print also has a statement that says that the supplier 
must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including regulatory 
certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of contract between the 
supplier and the purchasing company.  
3.  Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on an 
annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all safety 
critical components are verified that they are what they are supposed to be and 
verifies the certification markings.  The certification markings is also a type 
of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.  

 

Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows certification 
marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless and as others 
have already pointed out this information can change without warning.  

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

Greetings everyone,

 

My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a 
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their 
agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.

 

I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the 
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to standards 
harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for the sake of cost 
reduction) on components without changing their respective part number. Or even 
worse, continue to advertise that the component is approved but in reality, it 
is not.

 

Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share? 

 

P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples 
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.

 

Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)

 

Cheers!

Regan


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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[Nyffenegger, Dave]

I run into the marketing BS data sheet issue quite often.  Glad to see I’m not 
the only one.  It becomes clear that whomever is drafting the data sheets does 
not understand the compliance specifications.  They will list standards in a 
section  called Approvals or such for example a UL standard implying that a 
product is UL approved when often it’s not, possibly approved by another lab, 
and some of the standards are not lab certified at all.  They will ambiguously 
list NRTL names.  Some data sheets will only show the NRTL logos somewhere on 
the data sheet and nothing more.   Some manufacturers produce excellent data 
sheets with clearly stated approvals and standards.  The rest need to be 
researched to validate their approvals and file numbers on the NRTL web site.  
I’ve caught several OEMs loosely claiming approvals that in fact did not have 
them.  Some power supply data sheets will list UL/EN 60950-1 as a standard but 
not indicate the class of supply or whether or not it was approved as SELV 
outputs which is optional to the standard.  Some of the most ambiguous products 
are those with multiple components such as IT equipment with external wall 
warts or brick power supplies or line cords where the external items are 
outsourced.  Some of those OEMs will claim an NRTL approval on the core product 
but when contacted can’t produce the NRTL approvals for their outsourced 
components supplied with it, sometimes they don’t even have the full electrical 
ratings.  That’s usually when I say goodbye and pick an alternative.

-Dave

From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:48 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

Datasheets!

Mainly marketing “BS”!

Never believe them until you have checked in DETAIL with the mfr AND the 
certification bodies!

John E Allen
W. London, UK
From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 September 2017 21:44
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

I have run into this a lot:  I don't have any specific example part numbers 
saved, but often I will be given a datasheet that claims certification with a 
certain NRTL standard but I can't validate it online.  When asked, the 
manufacturer either says they dropped that certification, or it applied to only 
one particular part in the series.  In my experience, datasheets and marketing 
materials are often misleading (at best) about component certification.

-Ken A

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Regan Arndt 
<reganar...@gmail.com<mailto:reganar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Greetings everyone,

My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a 
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their 
agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.

I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the 
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to standards 
harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for the sake of cost 
reduction) on components without changing their respective part number. Or even 
worse, continue to advertise that the component is approved but in reality, it 
is not.

Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share?

P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples 
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.

Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)

Cheers!
Regan
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Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[Regan Arndt]

Thanks Brian, so you are telling me that they did not change their part #
when they changed the hipot value?

If so, that's another interesting scenario to keep tabs on.

On Sep 22, 2017 7:20 AM, "Kunde, Brian" <brian_ku...@lecotc.com> wrote:

Regan,



I do not recall a case where a manufacturer completely removed a
certification, but I have seen the following scenarios:



1.   Where a certification will change, such as from the separate UL
 and CSA marks to a joined cULus or cCSAus mark. I’ve also seen marks
change from one agency to another like TUV:SUD to VDE or TUV Rheinland,
etc..

2.   Suppliers will notify us of a change in the standard that a part
is evaluated to or the test levels in which a part is specified for. One
example I recall is an opto-isolator where the manufacturer re-specified
the dielectric strength of the part due to a change in the standard they
use.  This flagged our R department to re-evaluate the part in the
application.

3.   The most common and recent change we had to deal with is where a
supplier first claims their parts to be RoHS-EU compliant. This is usually
done without any change to the part number. For us, how do we separate old
stock (where RoHS is questionable) from new stock? We had to make sure we
used up old stock prior to our declarations of RoHS or purge old stock
parts to insure we are using RoHS compliant parts.



I hope this was helpful.



The Other Brian



*From:* Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 9:48 AM
*To:* Kunde, Brian
*Cc:* EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org
*Subject:* [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency
approvals
*Importance:* Low



Thanks Brian. That's great you do this.

Can you share any examples of where they have removed agencies but still
retained the same part #?





On Sep 22, 2017 5:43 AM, "Kunde, Brian" <brian_ku...@lecotc.com> wrote:

We address this possible issue in two ways.



1.   We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical
Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”.
When parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the
certification markings on the parts match the print. If they are different,
the parts are rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the
manufacturer changed the certification body, etc.).

2.   The purchase print also has a statement that says that the
supplier must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including
regulatory certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of
contract between the supplier and the purchasing company.

3.   Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on
an annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all
safety critical components are verified that they are what they are
supposed to be and verifies the certification markings.  The certification
markings is also a type of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.



Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows
certification marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless
and as others have already pointed out this information can change without
warning.



The Other Brian



*From:* Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals



Greetings everyone,



My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify
their agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.



I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to
standards harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for
the sake of cost reduction) on components without changing their respective
part number. Or even worse, continue to advertise that the component is
approved but in reality, it is not.



Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share?



P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.



Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)



Cheers!

Regan

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Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[Kunde, Brian]

Regan,

I do not recall a case where a manufacturer completely removed a certification, 
but I have seen the following scenarios:


1.   Where a certification will change, such as from the separate UL  and 
CSA marks to a joined cULus or cCSAus mark. I’ve also seen marks change from 
one agency to another like TUV:SUD to VDE or TUV Rheinland, etc..


2.   Suppliers will notify us of a change in the standard that a part is 
evaluated to or the test levels in which a part is specified for. One example I 
recall is an opto-isolator where the manufacturer re-specified the dielectric 
strength of the part due to a change in the standard they use.  This flagged 
our R department to re-evaluate the part in the application.


3.   The most common and recent change we had to deal with is where a 
supplier first claims their parts to be RoHS-EU compliant. This is usually done 
without any change to the part number. For us, how do we separate old stock 
(where RoHS is questionable) from new stock? We had to make sure we used up old 
stock prior to our declarations of RoHS or purge old stock parts to insure we 
are using RoHS compliant parts.

I hope this was helpful.

The Other Brian

From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Kunde, Brian
Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency 
approvals
Importance: Low

Thanks Brian. That's great you do this.
Can you share any examples of where they have removed agencies but still 
retained the same part #?


On Sep 22, 2017 5:43 AM, "Kunde, Brian" 
<brian_ku...@lecotc.com<mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com>> wrote:
We address this possible issue in two ways.


1.   We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical 
Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When 
parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification 
markings on the parts match the print. If they are different, the parts are 
rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the manufacturer changed 
the certification body, etc.).

2.   The purchase print also has a statement that says that the supplier 
must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including regulatory 
certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of contract between the 
supplier and the purchasing company.

3.   Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on an 
annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all safety 
critical components are verified that they are what they are supposed to be and 
verifies the certification markings.  The certification markings is also a type 
of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.

Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows certification 
marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless and as others 
have already pointed out this information can change without warning.

The Other Brian

From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com<mailto:reganar...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

Greetings everyone,

My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a 
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their 
agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.

I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the 
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to standards 
harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for the sake of cost 
reduction) on components without changing their respective part number. Or even 
worse, continue to advertise that the component is approved but in reality, it 
is not.

Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share?

P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples 
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.

Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)

Cheers!
Regan
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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[Regan Arndt]

Thanks Brian. That's great you do this.
Can you share any examples of where they have removed agencies but still
retained the same part #?


On Sep 22, 2017 5:43 AM, "Kunde, Brian" <brian_ku...@lecotc.com> wrote:

We address this possible issue in two ways.



1.   We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical
Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”.
When parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the
certification markings on the parts match the print. If they are different,
the parts are rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the
manufacturer changed the certification body, etc.).

2.   The purchase print also has a statement that says that the
supplier must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including
regulatory certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of
contract between the supplier and the purchasing company.

3.   Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on
an annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all
safety critical components are verified that they are what they are
supposed to be and verifies the certification markings.  The certification
markings is also a type of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.



Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows
certification marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless
and as others have already pointed out this information can change without
warning.



The Other Brian



*From:* Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals



Greetings everyone,



My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify
their agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.



I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to
standards harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for
the sake of cost reduction) on components without changing their respective
part number. Or even worse, continue to advertise that the component is
approved but in reality, it is not.



Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share?



P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.



Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)



Cheers!

Regan

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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[Kunde, Brian]

We address this possible issue in two ways.


1.   We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical 
Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When 
parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification 
markings on the parts match the print. If they are different, the parts are 
rejected until this issues has been resolved (possible the manufacturer changed 
the certification body, etc.).


2.   The purchase print also has a statement that says that the supplier 
must notify us in advance of any changes to the part including regulatory 
certifications and status. The purchase print is a type of contract between the 
supplier and the purchasing company.


3.   Our Compliance Department performs Production Audits (usually on an 
annual bases) on all families of products. During these audits, all safety 
critical components are verified that they are what they are supposed to be and 
verifies the certification markings.  The certification markings is also a type 
of contract or declaration from the manufacturer.

Datasheets and pages from the manufacturer’s catalog that shows certification 
marks, symbols, or a list of standards are really meaningless and as others 
have already pointed out this information can change without warning.

The Other Brian

From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

Greetings everyone,

My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a 
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their 
agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.

I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the 
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to standards 
harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for the sake of cost 
reduction) on components without changing their respective part number. Or even 
worse, continue to advertise that the component is approved but in reality, it 
is not.

Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share?

P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples 
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.

Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)

Cheers!
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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[John Allen]

AND, as I should have said, obtained up-to-date copies of the certification 
docs!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 21 September 2017 21:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

Greetings everyone,

 

My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a 
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their 
agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.

 

I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the 
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to standards 
harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for the sake of cost 
reduction) on components without changing their respective part number. Or even 
worse, continue to advertise that the component is approved but in reality, it 
is not.

 

Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share? 

 

P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples 
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.

 

Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)

 

Cheers!

Regan

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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[John Allen]

Datasheets!

 

Mainly marketing “BS”!

 

Never believe them until you have checked in DETAIL with the mfr AND the 
certification bodies!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 21 September 2017 21:44
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

 

I have run into this a lot:  I don't have any specific example part numbers 
saved, but often I will be given a datasheet that claims certification with a 
certain NRTL standard but I can't validate it online.  When asked, the 
manufacturer either says they dropped that certification, or it applied to only 
one particular part in the series.  In my experience, datasheets and marketing 
materials are often misleading (at best) about component certification.

 

-Ken A

 

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Regan Arndt <reganar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings everyone,

 

My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a 
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their 
agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.

 

I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the 
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to standards 
harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for the sake of cost 
reduction) on components without changing their respective part number. Or even 
worse, continue to advertise that the component is approved but in reality, it 
is not.

 

Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share? 

 

P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples 
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.

 

Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)

 

Cheers!

Regan

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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[IBM Ken]

I have run into this a lot:  I don't have any specific example part numbers
saved, but often I will be given a datasheet that claims certification with
a certain NRTL standard but I can't validate it online.  When asked, the
manufacturer either says they dropped that certification, or it applied to
only one particular part in the series.  In my experience, datasheets and
marketing materials are often misleading (at best) about component
certification.

-Ken A

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Regan Arndt  wrote:

> Greetings everyone,
>
>
> My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a
> foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify
> their agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.
>
>
> I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the
> industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to
> standards harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for
> the sake of cost reduction) on components without changing their respective
> part number. Or even worse, continue to advertise that the component is
> approved but in reality, it is not.
>
>
> Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share?
>
>
> P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples
> before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Regan
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[PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

[Regan Arndt]

Greetings everyone,


My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a
foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify
their agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number.


I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also believe that the
industry still continues to eliminate redundant certification (due to
standards harmonization) or sometimes complete agency certification (for
the sake of cost reduction) on components without changing their respective
part number. Or even worse, continue to advertise that the component is
approved but in reality, it is not.


Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share?


P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples
before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting.



Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately or within this forum)



Cheers!

Regan

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[PSES] Seeking Contract/Freelance/Permanent Test/Approvals/QMS Position

[Russell Bradbeer]

Hi All,

After 13 years with TUV as a Project Manager for EMC, wireless, safety, 
environmental and mechanical test services and as a Senior Technical 
Certifier for EMC & R directives and Quality Management Systems, I 
now find myself ‘available for work’. Prior to TUV I was a Test & 
Approvals Manager, managing a team within a large R department, prior 
to that I held various Senior Electronics Design Engineer positions. I’m 
also ISO 9001 :2008, :2015 and ISO 17025 IRCA auditor qualified.


So if anyone needs some occasional or short/mid-term resource, or knows 
of any permanent positions… I’m based in Hampshire UK but can travel. 
Test Lab sitter anyone?


Best Regards,
Russell

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[PSES] Wi-Fi (WLAN) router approvals with psu

[McBurney, Ian]

Dear colleagues.

We are looking at purchasing a WLAN (Wi-Fi) router from China and include our 
own wall wart power supply with it.
The router comes with all the necessary approvals and safety reports tested 
with its own wall wart psu. However; are these documents still valid it we swap 
the PSU with our own PSU?
Our own wall wart psu is approved.

Many thanks in advance.

Ian McBurney
Design & Compliance Engineer.

Allen & Heath Ltd.
Kernick Industrial Estate,
Penryn, Cornwall. TR10 9LU. UK
T: 01326 372070
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Re: [PSES] Taiwan and Korean approvals

[S Drysdale]

Hi Peter,

Based on your originating IP, I recommend contacting TUV SUD in San Diego.  1
858-678-1400.   Chip Fleury would be a good contact normally, but I think
he might be on vacation, in which case Vina Kerai is your person.  You can
tell them Scott Drysdale from Canada sent you their way.

Best Regards,
Scott D.
OOO Own Opinions Only.


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> Hello group,
>
> Can someone recommend a lab that can do BSMI and Korean approvals please?
>
> Thank you
> Peter
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Re: [PSES] Taiwan and Korean approvals

[Julian Jones]

I can recommend Hursley EMC, but I would ☺

We have ITE, Domestic and ISM scope for Taiwan, and all for Korea except Radio.


Rgds



Julian Jones

Hursley EMC


From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: 17 August 2016 17:07
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Taiwan and Korean approvals



Can someone recommend a lab that can do BSMI and Korean approvals please?

UL has testing offices in both countries.  I used them for BSMI.
Rich


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Re: [PSES] Taiwan and Korean approvals

[Richard Nute]

 

 

Can someone recommend a lab that can do BSMI and Korean approvals please?

 

UL has testing offices in both countries.  I used them for BSMI.  

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Re: [PSES] Taiwan and Korean approvals

[Rajneesh Raveendran]

Hi Peter,

There are many labs in the US that can support you for both BSMI & Korean
approvals...

Regards,
Rajneesh


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[PSES] Taiwan and Korean approvals

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Hello group,
 
Can someone recommend a lab that can do BSMI and Korean approvals please?
 
Thank you
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[PSES] Vietman approvals

[Kim Boll Jensen]

Hi all

 

Does anyone have a good link to some English version of the QCVN 4 list of
mandatory regulation for EEE or just some guide lines for type approval
regulation on EE in Vietnam?

 

Best regards,

 

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[PSES] Vietnam wireless approvals.

[S Drysdale]

Dear list members,

I was hoping some one might be able to point me in the right direction for
Vietnam wireless approvals.  The device is already FCC certified under
15.247 and is a 2.4 GHz transmitter.  I am trying to find out the
requirements for the test lab, the requirements or standards for the
product, and what is required with respect to filing once the testing is
completed.  Any advice or pointers in the right direction are appreciated.

Best Regards,
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[PSES] Korea KCC/RRA approvals

[peterhays]

Hi Group,

I am working with a client where we have an EMC lab that has ISO 17025 
approvals. We need to get a few products certified by RRA for EMC. Does anyone 
gone through the process of getting a product directly certified rather than 
going through 3rd party labs?

What is the process? how do we know the cost? what is required? etc.

thanks
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Re: [PSES] Hong Kong Approvals for EMC

[Mark Schmidt]

Hello Andrew,

There is no agreement that I am aware of but you might check the Asia-pacific 
trade agreement. I have never had any problems in Honk Kong, typically I would 
have a CB scheme report for product safety and a report fulfilling the 
requirements of the EMC Directive. I think you may find it will be addressed on 
a case by case basis and there is no one standard/requirement to blanket Hong 
Kong for assurance of entry into HK.

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Is there some form of agreement between the EU and Hong Kong on accepting 
equipment that has met the EU EMC Directive and is CE Marked or does this 
equipment have to be retested and remarked accordingly.

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Andy

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[PSES] Hong Kong Approvals for EMC

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Andy

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Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals

[Tyra, John]

Can't comment on ITE equipment since we make Audio Video products but I have 
found this process to be very chaotic and time consuming for our products

There was a considerable amount of documentation required especially for the 
manufacturing facilities.

There are only a handful of  accredited labs in India and they are still trying 
to figure out what they need to do.

CB reports are not officially recognized but are helpful.

It took us close to 5 months to get our first report with a lot of back and 
forth with the test house and BIS and that was with local representation.

Just a suggestion based on our experience.

1. Study the regulations and don't just rely on the Indian test lab you pick as 
they are still trying to figure things out.

2. Don't be afraid to push back with the lab as they are not experts yet and 
rely on BIS for  direction.

3. Don't over think the forms you are required to complete. There is 
considerable documentation to be completed which  takes a lot of time.

4. Don't wait until the last minute as the lead time is very long.

Good luck.

Sent from my ASUS Pad

Gelfand, David david.gelf...@ca.kontron.com wrote:


As of July 3 there is are new mandatory approvals requiring in-country
safety testing.   Has there been any extension of this date?

Could anyone share their experience getting India approvals under this
new scheme?

Thanks,

David

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[PSES] India ITE approvals

[Gelfand, David]

As of July 3 there is are new mandatory approvals requiring in-country
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David

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Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals

[Knighten, Jim L]

David,

No, there is not extension.  There is a 90 day extension available for 
companies who have their products submitted for testing prior to the deadline, 
but who have not yet received a test report.  You must apply for this extension.

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As of July 3 there is are new mandatory approvals requiring in-country
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David

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Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals

[Knudsen, Patricia]

The latest information for India registration and extension can be found at the 
following sites:

Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS): http://www.bis.org.in/other/ITCompReg.htm

Department of Electronics and Information Technology (DeitY), scroll down the 
page to the Standards section: http://deity.gov.in/content/electronic-hardware


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Subject: Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals

David,

No, there is not extension.  There is a 90 day extension available for 
companies who have their products submitted for testing prior to the deadline, 
but who have not yet received a test report.  You must apply for this extension.

Jim

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Subject: [PSES] India ITE approvals

As of July 3 there is are new mandatory approvals requiring in-country
safety testing.   Has there been any extension of this date?

Could anyone share their experience getting India approvals under this new 
scheme?

Thanks,

David

David Gelfand
Compliance Specialist
Kontron Canada Inc

 

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[PSES] Question on FCC Part 15C Transmitter Approvals

[Scott Douglas]

We make a product that has a wireless receiver in it, 2.4 GHz band. I 
know we'll need to test  for and get FCC Part 15C Certification on this 
product (and apply FCC ID, etc.).


The supplier of our wireless receiver component also sells a matching 
transmitter. This transmitter is complete and self-contained and can be 
plugged into a USB port on a laptop for example. Data from the laptop is 
sent to our product via the wireless link.


This transmitter has its own FCC ID obtained by the manufacturer. 
Remember it plugs into some other product (like the laptop) and is not 
hidden. This is much like the transmitter for a wireless mouse.


Question is, do we need to get another FCC ID for this transmitter if:
1. We sell it with our product but do not alter the transmitter 
labeling in any way?
2. We sell it with our product and have the manufacturer print our 
brand name on the transmitter (but leave their FCC ID showing)?
3. We sell the transmitter separately from our product in generic 
packaging not altering the labeling on the transmitter?
4. We sell the transmitter separately but have the manufacturer 
print our brand name on the transmitter (but leave their FCC ID showing)?


This apparently does not meet the criteria for a modular approval and 
the transmitter FCC ID Grant does not have modular in it anywhere.


Can anyone make sense of this and explain please?

Your wisdom is much appreciated.

Scott Douglas

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[PSES] Russian GOST approvals for welding equipment

[Doug Nix]

Colleagues,

I am looking for someone with experience obtaining GOST approvals for welding 
equipment. I have an existing customer who needs and assist with this and I 
want to hand the project over to someone with experience in this area.

Please contact me offline on this project if you are interested.

Doug Nix
d...@complianceinsight.ca
+1 (519) 650-4753

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Re: [PSES] wireless approvals matrix

[Scott Douglas]

Bob,

The IEEE Servers have been experiencing problems with power outages and 
what not since super storm Sandy roared through New York and New Jersey. 
It may be a while before order is restored and all is back online. 
Please have patience while IEEE works to get things working again.


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Scott Douglas
EMC-PSTC List Admin


On 11/1/2012 10:07 AM, Sykes, Bob wrote:


Worldly Experts,

Some time ago a few members of this list compiled a list of global 
wireless approval requirements.


Foolishly I did not save any emails containing the link to that 
document and now it would be extremely to me.


It seems the list archives are not working, or the at least the link 
to them in the email footers doesn't work.


Can anyone point me to the wireless approval document?

adTHANKSvance,

Bob Sykes


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Re: [PSES] wireless approvals matrix

[Dan Roman]

Bob,I believe that document may be on the Product Compliance online communities site. Unfortunately most of the IEEE web servers are down because of the storm so I cannot verify.The URL is http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ and you need an IEEE account to view it. An IEEE account is available for either members or non-members. Visit www.ieee.org and click on the "My IEEE" link to create an account. Hopefully the sites will be back up by next week.DanFrom: Sykes, Bob [mailto:bob.sy...@gilbarco.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 10:07 AMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: [PSES] wireless approvals matrixWorldly Experts,Some time ago a few members of this list compiled a list of global wireless approval requirements.Foolishly I did not save any emails containing the link to that document and now it would be extremely to me.It seems the list archives are not working, or the at least the link to them in the email footers doesn't work.Can anyone point me to the wireless approval document?adTHANKSvance,Bob Sykes
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[PSES] wireless approvals matrix

[Sykes, Bob]

Worldly Experts,

Some time ago a few members of this list compiled a list of global wireless 
approval requirements.
Foolishly I did not save any emails containing the link to that document and 
now it would be extremely to me.
It seems the list archives are not working, or the at least the link to them in 
the email footers doesn't work.
Can anyone point me to the wireless approval document?

adTHANKSvance,
Bob Sykes



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[PSES] Korean appliance approvals

[Brian Ceresney]

Dear Experts,
I'm preparing an battery charger appliance product for eventual approvals in 
Korea, for the first time after the Jan 2012 Korean regulatory changes. We are 
obtaining a CB Test Report, and will utilize that document to apply for Korean 
approvals.
I have heard information from a supplier that is contradictory to my 
understanding, but I'm having a difficult time confirming it.
Our product has a mains input cable assembly that is approved by one of the 
ENEC group, to EN60320-2-2-1998. This is the correct version of the standard 
according to the OJ standards list, which also notes IEC EN60320-2-2-1998 as 
equivalent.  In my experience, Korea has required approval to the IEC standard, 
by an accredited European test lab.

Our supplier is stating that Korean authorities will not accept approval to an 
IEC standard for this component, and will only accept specific Korean approval. 
Can anybody who has been involved with the 2012 Korean approvals process 
provide any feedback on this?
Additionally, are approvals in Korea still performed one model at a time, 
regardless of how many models are included in a CB report?

Are there any other new details that can delay or prevent an approval?

Any help is much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Brian C.



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Re: [PSES] Korean appliance approvals

[John Woodgate]

In message 
A77B72CD6A838945868172207F84AD5C1486742D@mbx027-w1-ca-7.exch027.domain.l
ocal, dated Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Brian Ceresney bceres...@delta-q.com 
writes:


Our product has a mains input cable assembly that is approved by one of 
the ENEC group, to EN60320-2-2-1998. This is the correct version of the 
standard according to the OJ standards list, which also notes IEC 
EN60320-2-2-1998 as equivalent.  


Since these approvals agencies can be very pedantic, I should point out 
that the IEC standard is IEC 60320-2-2, without 'EN'.


IEC 60320-2-2 ed2.0 (1998-08)
TC/SC 23G

Appliance couplers for household and similar general purposes - Part 
2-2: Interconnection couplers for household and similar equipment


You can see that this standard applies to the appliance coupler ONLY, 
not the cable and any mains plug that may be on the other end.

--
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Instead of saying that the government is doing too little, too late or too
much, too early, say they've got is exactly right, thus throwing them into
total confusion.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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Re: [PSES] Korean appliance approvals

[Brian Ceresney]

Thanks everyone, for your reponses. I realize that I accidentally created a new 
IEC EN standard typographically(oops). 

The results I've received so far are that Korea insists upon Korean approvals, 
even if the Korean and IEC or EN standards are identical. 

Thanks again for your comments. 
Best Regards, 
Brian C.
(My other brother Brian)

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Subject: Re: Korean appliance approvals

In message 
A77B72CD6A838945868172207F84AD5C1486742D@mbx027-w1-ca-7.exch027.domain.l
ocal, dated Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Brian Ceresney bceres...@delta-q.com 
writes:

Our product has a mains input cable assembly that is approved by one of 
the ENEC group, to EN60320-2-2-1998. This is the correct version of the 
standard according to the OJ standards list, which also notes IEC 
EN60320-2-2-1998 as equivalent.  

Since these approvals agencies can be very pedantic, I should point out 
that the IEC standard is IEC 60320-2-2, without 'EN'.

IEC 60320-2-2 ed2.0 (1998-08)
TC/SC 23G

Appliance couplers for household and similar general purposes - Part 
2-2: Interconnection couplers for household and similar equipment

You can see that this standard applies to the appliance coupler ONLY, 
not the cable and any mains plug that may be on the other end.
-- 
OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk
Instead of saying that the government is doing too little, too late or too
much, too early, say they've got is exactly right, thus throwing them into
total confusion.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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[PSES] State of MA - Gas Equipment Approvals

[Richard Pittenger]

Hello Group,

Can anyone answer the question of when did the State of MA initiate their state 
approval system for gas-fired equipment? I can't seem to find this information 
on their web site nor do they seem to be answering their phones today. Thanks.

Good day,
Richard Pittenger
Agency Approval Engineer
Food Machines Engineering
Hobart/Berkel


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[PSES] Terms and definitions for approvals

[ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen]

Within the implementation of the goods package in the EC
most ce marking related directives (if not all) are being upgraded
to reflect a single way of handling approvals, market surveillance
and so on. From the concept NEW EMCD I copied the following definitions
to be used in the approvals process for EMCD (and soon others):


An NCB (National Certification Body) is more or less equivalent to a Notified 
Body in the EU
and CBTL would be a Conformity Assesment Body in the EU


(a1) ‘equipment’ means any apparatus or fixed installation; 
(b2)  ‘apparatus’ means any finished appliance or combination thereof made 
commercially 
available as a single functional unit, intended for the end user and liable to 
generate 
electromagnetic disturbance, or the performance of which is liable to be 
affected by 
such disturbance;  
(c3)  ‘fixed installation’ means a particular combination of several types of 
apparatus and, 
where applicable, other devices, which are  assembled, installed and intended 
to be 
used permanently at a predefined location;  
(d4)  ‘electromagnetic compatibility’ means the ability of equipment to 
function 
satisfactorily in its electromagnetic environment without introducing 
intolerable 
electromagnetic disturbances to other equipment in that environment; 
 

(e5)  ‘electromagnetic disturbance’ means any electromagnetic phenomenon which 
may 
degrade the performance of equipment,  including, 
electromagnetic noise, an unwanted signal or a change in the 
propagation medium itself;  

(f6)  ‘immunity’ means the ability of equipment to perform as intended without 
degradation in the presence of an electromagnetic disturbance; 
(g7)  ‘safety purposes’ means the purposes of safeguarding human life or 
property; 
(h8)  ‘electromagnetic environment’ means all electromagnetic phenomena 
observable in a 
given location.;

(9)  'making available on the market' means  any supply of apparatus for 
distribution, 
consumption or use on the Union market in the course of a commercial activity, 
whether in return for payment or free of charge; 
(10)  'placing on the market' means the first making available of apparatus on 
the Union 
market; 
(11) 'manufacturer' means any natural or legal person who manufactures 
apparatus or has 
apparatus designed or manufactured, and markets that apparatus under his name 
or 
trademark; 
(12)  'authorised representative' means any natural or legal person established 
within the 
Union who has received a written mandate from a manufacturer to act on his 
behalf 
in relation to specified tasks; 
(13)  'importer' means any natural or legal person established within the Union 
who places 
apparatus from a third country on the Union market; 
(14)  'distributor' means any natural or legal person in the supply chain, 
other than the 
manufacturer or the importer, who makes apparatus available on the market; 
(15)  'economic operators' means the manufacturer, the authorised 
representative, the 
importer and the distributor; 
(16)  'technical specification' means a document  that prescribes technical 
requirements to 
be fulfilled by the equipment; 
(17)  'harmonised standard' means harmonised standard as defined in Article 
2(1)(c) of 
Regulation (EU) No [../..] [on European Standardisation]; 
(18)  'accreditation' means accreditation as defined in Article 2(10) of 
Regulation (EC) No 
765/2008; 
(19)  'national accreditation body' means national accreditation body as 
defined in Article 
2(11) of Regulation (EC) No 765/2008;

(20)  'conformity assessment' means the process demonstrating whether the 
requirements 
relating to an apparatus have been fulfilled; 
(21)  'conformity assessment body' means a  body that performs conformity 
assessment 
activities including calibration, testing, certification and inspection; 
(22)  'recall' means any measure aimed at achieving the return of  apparatus 
that has 
already been made available to the end user; 
(23)  'withdrawal' means any measure aimed at preventing apparatus in the 
supply chain 
from being made available on the market; 
(24)  'CE marking' means a marking by which the manufacturer indicates that the 
apparatus is in conformity with the applicable requirements set out in Union 
harmonisation legislation providing for its affixing; 
(25) 'Union harmonisation legislation' means any Union legislation harmonising 
the 
conditions for the marketing of products.


Regards,

Ing.  Gert Gremmen, BSc



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Verzonden: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:59 PM
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: power plugs

In message bccfb88541b04d419dbc184fcf787...@tamuracorp.com, dated Thu,
26 Jan 2012, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes:

NCB = National Certification Body
CBTL

Re: [PSES] RF Approvals expertise in Malaysia, Taiwan and Korea

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

Hi Charlie,

Try Lynn Lim at Spade Consultants.   l...@spadeconsultancy.com

or 


Yemmy Soong at Bureau Veritas ADT yemmy_so...@adt.com.tw

Good luck.
 
Scott Griggs
 
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From: Charlie Blackham emcp...@sulisconsultants.com
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:54 AM
Subject: [PSES] RF Approvals expertise in Malaysia, Taiwan and Korea


Group
 
Client have RF Short Range Device (78 GHz (Tank) Level Probing Radar) which is
compliant with:
· FCC Part 15C
· EN 302 372 (TLPR, closed tank) 
· EN 302 729 (LPR, open tank) via NB opinion
 
This frequency range/application is quite new and whilst the client has in
country offices, staffed by native speakers, they are not staffed by
RF/approvals experts and they are running into problems with local Radio
Spectrum Regulations.
 
Can anyone recommend RF savvy consultants in the above countries who might be
able to help the local client office?
 
Regards
Charlie


 
Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: www.sulisconsultants.com http://www.sulisconsultants.com/ 
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247
 
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RF Approvals expertise in Malaysia, Taiwan and Korea

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Group
 
Client have RF Short Range Device (78 GHz (Tank) Level Probing Radar) which is
compliant with:
· FCC Part 15C
· EN 302 372 (TLPR, closed tank) 
· EN 302 729 (LPR, open tank) via NB opinion
 
This frequency range/application is quite new and whilst the client has in
country offices, staffed by native speakers, they are not staffed by
RF/approvals experts and they are running into problems with local Radio
Spectrum Regulations.
 
Can anyone recommend RF savvy consultants in the above countries who might be
able to help the local client office?
 
Regards
Charlie



 

Charlie Blackham

Sulis Consultants Ltd

Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317

Web: www.sulisconsultants.com http://www.sulisconsultants.com/ 

Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

 

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job openings in product regulatory approvals

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Hello,

Garmin is hiring in Kansas City, our largest RD center.  To view the job
descriptions, go to http://www8.garmin.com/careers/index.html and click Search
Jobs.  Enter 11000FN or 11000DH in the “job number” field. 

Please forward to a colleague who is job hunting.  Here is a site with some
photos of the Kansas City area.  We are in a nice area of tree-lined
neighborhoods, about 15 miles south of the city.  www.thinkkc.com 

 

If one is inclined to buy some acreage in a rural setting, there is quite a
bit available a few miles further south or to the west.  Basketball fans may
enjoy seeing the University of Kansas Jayhawks men’s and women’s teams vie
for dominance in their NCAA conference.  Division champion Kansas City Chiefs
play here, as do the baseball Royals.  We are the home of a legendary jazz
music scene, the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art, the Crossroads Art District, the
Kansas City Symphony, the Kansas Bioscience Corridor, the Kansas Speedway and
Google’s first ever high-speed network.  Some have said the new Kauffman
Center for the Performing Arts http://www.kcperformingartscenter.org/  will
rival the Sydney Opera House.

 

Best regards,

Doug

 

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Regulatory and Environmental Affairs Manager 

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1200 E. 151 St.

Olathe, Kansas USA 66062

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13.56 MHz RFID approvals in Jordan

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Worldly Experts,
 
Can someone enlighten me as to a good source of Testing and Certification
requirements for a 13.56 MHz low power RFID device in Jordan?
I have found Jordan's Telecommunications Regulatory Commission website, but
there is only information about RFID in the 865-868 MHz band.
 
I am still completely unable to fathom how to search the emc-pstc mailing list
archives on the new(est) website.
 
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RE: International approvals

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Good People,

Please, no more replies from consultants. I will not add complexity to
this process. And I am about to start another one of these evil
international projects. 

Do not want a third-party - I want an organization that is organized.

Brian 

  -Original Message-
  From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:12 AM
  To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
  Subject: International approvals
  
  
  This project and my last IA project have been pure misery.
  
  I only do about one project per year where the customer 
  requires safety and EMC for 'just about everywhere'. I am 
  looking for an organization that assigns a single person to 
  run each project - for ALL facets to include factory 
  inspections, safety, EMC, and environmental. I have grown 
  weary of doing the legwork for organizations that supposedly 
  have 'one-stop shopping' for IA; then charge me big money 
  for doing their work.
  
  Both big-name organizations that I have used in past 20 
  months suck. Should I seek a smaller, lesser known 
  organization? Suggestions?
  
  thanks much,
  Brian 

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RE: International approvals

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The off-line responses with the many 'war stories' are beyond interesting.
They have exceeded the entertainment level of a Shakespearian tragedy. The
five-act metaphor of the compliance process:

Act 1. product safety testing and EMC testing and 'green' information
collection. the project is good. the data is better.
Act 2. report writing, review, and report approval. the compliance person
foolishly believes all is done.
Act 3. waiting for a specialist to review the reports, then waiting for the
office to forward the package to a higher review. an ill wind blows.
Act 4. the mounting suffering of each rejection while waiting for each
individual report writer to fix his literature.
Act 5. the slow agonizing death of the company compliance engineer, after
which the engineering department rejoices at his release from pain.

Apologies to all of the English Literature instructors that have attempted to
explain this stuff to technical people.

Brian


  -Original Message-
  From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com]
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:42 AM
  To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
  Subject: RE: International approvals
  
  Good People,
  
  I would like to, again, offer my sincere gratitude to the 
  many off-line responses. I will be looking at several of the 
  organizational suggestions.
  
  Certainly no disrespect to Mr. Randolph, but the below 
  response is the line I hear from the bug guys' sales 
  executives, but only after they promise one-stop shopping 
  and complete project management. And I never ask test lab 
  personnel to do anything other than to perform the tests and 
  provide test data. I long for the days when the big guys 
  were competent and did not pretermit obvious responsibility, 
  were able to provide expert advice, and were true business partners.
  
  This is a morphed example from the last two international 
  projects. I did this:
  - Wrote the CB report.
  - Arranged for the factory audits.
  - Tracked down the audit reports and sent it to them
  - Set up the equipment at the EMC lab and helped configure 
  the receiver when the data made no sense.
  - Red-lined the EMC report.
  - Compiled the REACH and RoHS data and submitted complete report.
  - Forwarded all of this stuff and much more to the approvals 
  office for 'final' review.
  
  Then had all of the above rejected, several times, by two 
  other levels of review for various clerical errors and label 
  markings. 
  
  As company compliance professionals, we all must hold NRTLs, 
  NBs, NCBs, etc to the level of competency as noted on their 
  respective accreditations. Any non-Fortune 1k company cannot 
  afford to expect less. We need a 'Consumer Reports' for all 
  regulatory functions. Other than having really big lab 
  facilities with lots of really nice equipment, what is the 
  basis of these organizations' accreditations with the 
  various national bodies and other agencies ?
  
  Brian
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joe Randolph [mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:55 PM
  To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
  Subject: Re: International approvals
  
  On 3/9/2011, Brian O'Connell wrote:
  
  I only do about one project per year where the customer 
  requires safety
  and EMC for 'just about everywhere'. I am looking for an 
  organization that
  assigns a single person to run each project - for ALL facets 
  to include
  factory inspections, safety, EMC, and environmental. I have 
  grown weary of
  doing the legwork for organizations that supposedly have 'one-stop
  shopping' for IA; then charge me big money for doing their work.
  
  Both big-name organizations that I have used in past 20 months suck.
  Should I seek a smaller, lesser known organization? Suggestions? 

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RE: [PSES] International approvals

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Brian et al,

Now that you have successfully threaded the international approvals
process it appears that you should be considering hanging out your own
shingle and collect the fat fee doing this for others.  I smell an
opportunity here.  

:) br, Pete

Peter E Perkins, PE
Principal Product Safety  Regulatory Consultant
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Re: International approvals

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Actually, a couple of the big names do appear to offer that service; to take
your product around the world for approvals.
That is in addition to the usual testing and reports.
Telecom excepted.



 

 

 

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From: Joe Randolph j...@randolph-telecom.com
Subject: Re: International approvals
To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com, emc-p...@ieee.org
Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 12:55 AM


On 3/9/2011, Brian O'Connell wrote:



I only do about one project per year where the customer 
requires safety
and EMC for 'just about everywhere'. I am looking for an 
organization that
assigns a single person to run each project - for ALL facets to 
include
factory inspections, safety, EMC, and environmental. I have 
grown weary of
doing the legwork for organizations that supposedly have 
'one-stop
shopping' for IA; then charge me big money for doing their work.

Both big-name organizations that I have used in past 20 months 
suck.
Should I seek a smaller, lesser known organization? 
Suggestions? 



Hi Brian:

I don't know if the big-name organizations you refer to were test 
labs, but
if so, I can understand your frustration.  Most test labs are organized to
perform requested tests and produce test reports.  What gets done with those
reports is up to the customer.

I have never seen a big test lab that offered to take full ownership of 
the
entire approval process for a given product.  That's simply not what they are
set up to do.  And I don't really blame them for avoiding that service, since
it is notoriously difficult to predict in advance how many hours of work will
be required to complete all the administrative tasks associated with getting
international approval for a given product.  Keep in mind that the test lab
has no direct control over the product design and has no authority to speak
for the customer's company or make decisions for the customer's company.

The only model that I have seen work well is when an in-house employee 
of the
customer is responsible for obtaining all the necessary approvals.  That
person has a budget that can be spent on test labs and consultants, but that
person alone is the one who owns the approvals for the product.  As an
employee of the customer's organization, that person also has a management
chain that they can exercise as needed to set priorities, get questions
answered by other departments within the company, and make specific
commitments on behalf of the company.  No test lab employee has those levers
available.

In theory, you could hire an outside consultant to serve in this role, 
and
some companies do that.  However, the process frequently gets gummed up for
the same reasons that I described above when a non-employee has to speak and
act on behalf of the customer.

So, while you may see test labs advertise that they do worldwide 
approvals,
what they really mean is that they have the equipment to perform the tests and
they have the necessary accreditations to issue reports that will be accepted
worldwide.  I don't think it means that they will actually own the entire
process for worldwide approvals of the product.





Joe Randolph
Telecom Design Consultant
Randolph Telecom, Inc.
781-721-2848 (USA)
j...@randolph-telecom.com
http://www.randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com/ 
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RE: International approvals

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Good People,

I would like to, again, offer my sincere gratitude to the many off-line
responses. I will be looking at several of the organizational suggestions.

Certainly no disrespect to Mr. Randolph, but the below response is the line I
hear from the bug guys' sales executives, but only after they promise one-stop
shopping and complete project management. And I never ask test lab personnel
to do anything other than to perform the tests and provide test data. I long
for the days when the big guys were competent and did not pretermit obvious
responsibility, were able to provide expert advice, and were true business
partners.

This is a morphed example from the last two international projects. I did this:
- Wrote the CB report.
- Arranged for the factory audits.
- Tracked down the audit reports and sent it to them
- Set up the equipment at the EMC lab and helped configure the receiver when
the data made no sense.
- Red-lined the EMC report.
- Compiled the REACH and RoHS data and submitted complete report.
- Forwarded all of this stuff and much more to the approvals office for
'final' review.

Then had all of the above rejected, several times, by two other levels of
review for various clerical errors and label markings. 

As company compliance professionals, we all must hold NRTLs, NBs, NCBs, etc to
the level of competency as noted on their respective accreditations. Any
non-Fortune 1k company cannot afford to expect less. We need a 'Consumer
Reports' for all regulatory functions. Other than having really big lab
facilities with lots of really nice equipment, what is the basis of these
organizations' accreditations with the various national bodies and other
agencies ?

Brian


-Original Message-
From: Joe Randolph [mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:55 PM
To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: International approvals

On 3/9/2011, Brian O'Connell wrote:

I only do about one project per year where the customer requires safety
and EMC for 'just about everywhere'. I am looking for an organization that
assigns a single person to run each project - for ALL facets to include
factory inspections, safety, EMC, and environmental. I have grown weary of
doing the legwork for organizations that supposedly have 'one-stop
shopping' for IA; then charge me big money for doing their work.

Both big-name organizations that I have used in past 20 months suck.
Should I seek a smaller, lesser known organization? Suggestions? 


Hi Brian:

I don't know if the big-name organizations you refer to were test labs, but
if so, I can understand your frustration.  Most test labs are organized to
perform requested tests and produce test reports.  What gets done with those
reports is up to the customer.

I have never seen a big test lab that offered to take full ownership of the
entire approval process for a given product.  That's simply not what they are
set up to do.  And I don't really blame them for avoiding that service, since
it is notoriously difficult to predict in advance how many hours of work will
be required to complete all the administrative tasks associated with getting
international approval for a given product.  Keep in mind that the test lab
has no direct control over the product design and has no authority to speak
for the customer's company or make decisions for the customer's company.

The only model that I have seen work well is when an in-house employee of the
customer is responsible for obtaining all the necessary approvals.  That
person has a budget that can be spent on test labs and consultants, but that
person alone is the one who owns the approvals for the product.  As an
employee of the customer's organization, that person also has a management
chain that they can exercise as needed to set priorities, get questions
answered by other departments within the company, and make specific
commitments on behalf of the company.  No test lab employee has those levers
available.

In theory, you could hire an outside consultant to serve in this role, and
some companies do that.  However, the process frequently gets gummed up for
the same reasons that I described above when a non-employee has to speak and
act on behalf of the customer.

So, while you may see test labs advertise that they do worldwide approvals,
what they really mean is that they have the equipment to perform the tests and
they have the necessary accreditations to issue reports that will be accepted
worldwide.  I don't think it means that they will actually own the entire
process for worldwide approvals of the product.

Joe Randolph
Telecom Design Consultant
Randolph Telecom, Inc.
781-721-2848 (USA)
j...@randolph-telecom.com
http://www.randolph-telecom.com

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Re: International approvals

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On 3/9/2011, Brian O'Connell wrote:



I only do about one project per year where the customer requires safety
and EMC for 'just about everywhere'. I am looking for an organization 
that
assigns a single person to run each project - for ALL facets to include
factory inspections, safety, EMC, and environmental. I have grown weary 
of
doing the legwork for organizations that supposedly have 'one-stop
shopping' for IA; then charge me big money for doing their work.

Both big-name organizations that I have used in past 20 months suck.
Should I seek a smaller, lesser known organization? Suggestions? 



Hi Brian:

I don't know if the big-name organizations you refer to were test labs, but
if so, I can understand your frustration.  Most test labs are organized to
perform requested tests and produce test reports.  What gets done with those
reports is up to the customer.

I have never seen a big test lab that offered to take full ownership of the
entire approval process for a given product.  That's simply not what they are
set up to do.  And I don't really blame them for avoiding that service, since
it is notoriously difficult to predict in advance how many hours of work will
be required to complete all the administrative tasks associated with getting
international approval for a given product.  Keep in mind that the test lab
has no direct control over the product design and has no authority to speak
for the customer's company or make decisions for the customer's company.

The only model that I have seen work well is when an in-house employee of the
customer is responsible for obtaining all the necessary approvals.  That
person has a budget that can be spent on test labs and consultants, but that
person alone is the one who owns the approvals for the product.  As an
employee of the customer's organization, that person also has a management
chain that they can exercise as needed to set priorities, get questions
answered by other departments within the company, and make specific
commitments on behalf of the company.  No test lab employee has those levers
available.

In theory, you could hire an outside consultant to serve in this role, and
some companies do that.  However, the process frequently gets gummed up for
the same reasons that I described above when a non-employee has to speak and
act on behalf of the customer.

So, while you may see test labs advertise that they do worldwide approvals,
what they really mean is that they have the equipment to perform the tests and
they have the necessary accreditations to issue reports that will be accepted
worldwide.  I don't think it means that they will actually own the entire
process for worldwide approvals of the product.





Joe Randolph
Telecom Design Consultant
Randolph Telecom, Inc.
781-721-2848 (USA)
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International approvals

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This project and my last IA project have been pure misery.

I only do about one project per year where the customer requires safety
and EMC for 'just about everywhere'. I am looking for an organization that
assigns a single person to run each project - for ALL facets to include
factory inspections, safety, EMC, and environmental. I have grown weary of
doing the legwork for organizations that supposedly have 'one-stop
shopping' for IA; then charge me big money for doing their work.

Both big-name organizations that I have used in past 20 months suck.
Should I seek a smaller, lesser known organization? Suggestions?

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Approvals requirements for Azerbaijan

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All

 

Are there any mandatory EMC/Safety approvals for IT equipment in Azerbaijan?

 

Regards

Charlie

 

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Sulis Consultants Ltd

Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317

Web: www.sulisconsultants.com http://www.sulisconsultants.com/ 

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RE: Radio Approvals for Australia

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Hi Bob, 13.56 RFID fall under the ACMAs’ class licence system for LIPD (low
interference potential devices) category for C-Tick marking, the relevant
standard is AS/NZS4268.  Further LIPD details here, 

http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_1278#3  Feel free to contact me off
line for existing report assessments.

 

Regards,

Martin.

 

 

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Chatswood NSW 2067 Australia

Ph +61 2 9882 6500

Fx +61 2 9882 6600

www.austest.com.au

www.harvestlabs.com

www.approvalspecialists.com

Local and Global Approvals News www.approvalsblog.com

 

 

 

 

 

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rehel...@mmm.com
Sent: Monday, 16 August 2010 9:43 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Radio Approvals for Australia

 

Can someone give me a thumbnail sketch on how radio approvals are accomplished
in Australia. My main concern at the moment is 13.56 MHz RFID.

Thank you,
Bob Heller
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
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Radio Approvals for Australia

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Can someone give me a thumbnail sketch on how radio approvals are accomplished
in Australia. My main concern at the moment is 13.56 MHz RFID.

Thank you,
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Ecuador: country approvals

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Is anyone familiar with the product safety requirements in Ecuador?  There is
a voluntary INEN mark.  Is this intended for consumer products, or also for
industrial or data center ITE products?  Is the INEN mark difficult to obtain?

Thanks,

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RE: job opportunity_emphasis on marine navcom approvals

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Greetings.

If interested in this position, or can recommend someone, please contact:

Shanna Lynnes

Technical Recruiter 

GARMIN International

office  913.440.2523 / fax  913.397.0835  

1200 East 151st Street, Olathe, KS  66062

shanna.lyn...@garmin.com mailto:beverly.mar...@garmin.com 

www.garmin.com/careers  search posting #139

 

POSITION SUMMARY:  Sr. Marine Compliance Engineer will coordinate and manage
regulatory standards activities and product compliance approvals for Garmin
consumer and OEM products.

 

ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS: 

 

· Ensure Marine navcom, AIS, EPIRB, radar and GPS development
teams’ success in designing to meet worldwide safety, EMC, wireless, SRD,
radar, battery safety and other applicable regulations. 

· Generate regulatory compliance plans to guide EE and ME design,
manufacturing, test, EMC prescreen and technical publications functions 

· Responsible for the accuracy of the regulatory strategy,
satisfaction of our internal and external customers, as well as not becoming a
gate to product launches

· Effectively track, manage and support multiple projects and
priorities, develop general process guidelines

· Issue leader for assigned standards and directives in development,
forecasting the potential impact on product lines

· Mentor less-experienced Compliance Engineers

· Provide additional leadership in cooperation with the team leader
and other functional teams

· Perform job functions independently with minimal direction 

· Perform other compliance and certification projects as needed

 

EDUCATION, EXPERIENCE, AND SKILLS REQUIRED:

 

· B.S. or M.S. Degree in Electrical, Mechanical or Computer
Engineering, Applied Math or Physics 

· 8+ years experience as a GARMIN International Compliance Engineer
or 10+ years experience as a Compliance or Regulatory Approvals Engineer

· Knowledge in AIS class A and B, US Coast Guard and other Marine
communications and navigation regulations

· Know the abilities of specific TCBs and other certification bodies
and certification schemes worldwide

· Ability to explain User Interface and other AIS software design
requirements to new design team members

· Marine communication and/or navigational electronics standards
(non-SOLAS)  

· Proficiency in understanding and interpreting 3 or more of these
standards (Recreational Craft, EPIRB, RTCM, VHF radio, SAR, IEC, FCC, CISPR,
Industry Canada, ETSI, ITU, ACMA, NZS, ANATEL, ICASA, SOLAS, GOST) and
directives (RTTE, Battery, LVD, EMC)

· Experience with product safety, ESD, EMC and EMI testing with
proven ability to review designs and drive corrective actions necessary to
achieve safety, EMC and AIS compliance

· Strong project management and problem solving skills

· Excellent verbal and written communication skills

 

Welcome to Kansas City at www.thinkkc.com

This position is at our world headquarters in Olathe, Kansas.  Olathe was
ranked #11 in the 2008 list of America's best places to live (small city
category).  Many of our employees live in neighboring Overland Park, which was
ranked #9.  Both have school systems that are among the top in the United
States.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2008/top100/

 

Newsweek magazine recently named Garmin as one of the 500 greenest companies
in the US.

 

Olathe was also named One of America's Top 100 places to Relocate in 2009:

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Complimentary International Approvals Round Table Discussions by TUV Rheinland of North America

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Hello All,
 
You are cordially invited to these discussion in various North American
cities. For registration, please feel free to call the telephone number below
or you can e-mail me at pmerguer...@us.tuv.com
 
 
The purpose of this discussion will be to provide an overview of Global
Regulatory Approvals processes, review potential roadblocks, and give you an
opportunity to have your questions answered by our IA Division expert - Mr.
Bill Holz. Please join us for an informative couple of hours!
There will be REACH, RoHS and WEEE information presented by Geoffrey Bock.
Please join us for this time as well!
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will last approximately 6 hours.
Refreshments and lunch will be served.
Agenda Items Will Include:
Overview of Global Regulatory/International Approvals (IA) Requirements:

*   Telecom/Radio 
*   Wireless 
*   Product Safety (including IEC/EN60950, IEC/EN60065, IEC/EN60335) 
*   EMC 

Country-Specific Requirements:

*   BRICK Countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Korea) 
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America, etc) 
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*   Global Service and Delivery (TUVR global network of 350+ offices) 
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*   Achieving full part number disclosure 
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RE: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

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Hey Monrad,

 

The approvals need to match the market access that you need the product
shipped to.

 

Thanks!

 

Chas



From: monrad.mon...@sun.com [mailto:monrad.mon...@sun.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:37 AM
To: Grasso, Charles
Cc: Dan Roman; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

 

So we all agree on the need for testing -- both emissions and applicable
immunity testing.  

What approvals would be needed?  Does the USB Flash Drive itself need a CE
mark, FCC Class B mark, VCCI, BSMI, etc.?  Or are the approvals applied to the
system (the PC, workstation or server) and the USB Flash Drive is merely
tested to verify that this component does not mess up the passing emissions
profile and immunity of the system?

Thanks.

Monrad L. Monsen
Worldwide Compliance Officer
Sun Microsystems
monrad.mon...@sun.com
303.272.9612 Office

 


Grasso, Charles wrote: 

Hello Monrad,

No brainer here!!

The definition says:

1.1.4 Inherently benign equipment

Equipment which is inherently benign in terms of electromagnetic

compatibility is excluded from the scope of the EMC Directive25.

Equipment is considered inherently benign in terms of electromagnetic

compatibility if:

• its inherent physical characteristics are such that it is incapable of

generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions which

exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunications equipment

and other equipment to operate as intended; and,

• it will operate without unacceptable degradation in the presence of

the electromagnetic disturbance normally present in its intended

environment.

Both conditions need to be met in order to classify equipment as inherently..

 

A USB stick is NOT a benign device from an EMC standpoint. If you stick that
on the end of a 2ft cable

 (sometimes supplied with the USB stick) and run an emissions test you will be
amazed at the emissions you’ll see. 

I concur with Dan. I have seen some truly noisy manufacturers.!!

 

I agree with your choice of specifications with maybe the exception of
powerline mag field.

 

Chas

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dan Roman
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:11 AM
To: monrad.mon...@sun.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

 

Monrad,

 

I have tested PCs with thumb drives attached and while most from reputable
companies easily pass Class B emission limits I have had some of the freebie
drives you get a trade shows and in the mail from vendors fail Class A limits.
 I should note that the good ones have a CE Mark and FCC Class B logo on them
and the real bad ones only had some advertising stickers!  Beware, you
apparently get what you pay for.

 

Dan

 

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@sun.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:59 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

 

What EMC and safety approvals are required for USB flash drives or thumb
drives?

We are preparing to source for re-sell some USB flash drives from another
company that tells us that they are exempt.  They have a Declaration of
Conformity (DOC), but no supporting test reports.  This seems flaky to me on
many levels.  

Looking at the USB flash drive article in Wikipedia, the devices would have
a 12 MHz clock oscillator, so I can't merely say it is passive memory. 
However, could the USB flash drive still be excluded from the scope of the
European Union EMC Directive 2004/108/EC as inherently benign equipment?  See
section 1.1.4 within the Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC.
(http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_
quipment/emc/guides/emcguide_may2007.pdf)  I would want the device tested for
radiated emissions, as well as the EN55024 enclosure port immunity tests like
RF radiated field immunity, ESD, and power frequency magnetic field immunity.

I see that the LVD Directive 2006/95/EC limits its cope to equipment operating
in the range of 50-1000VAC and a range of 75-1500VDC.  (Article 1 of LVD
Directive 2006/95/EC)  However, electrical components which are intended to
be incorporated into other equipment and for which a risk assessment can be
undertaken, such as transformers and electrical motors, are covered as such by
the Directive and must be CE marked.  (Section 9, Guidelines on the
Application of Directive 2006/95/EC)  I would assume that this standard USB
flash drive would fit this description.  

Please confirm what worldwide EMC and safety approvals and testing is
required.  I definitely plan to required some systems level EMC testing that
includes the USB Flash Drive mounted on a server or PC, but I need to confirm
what agency approvals are needed for the Flash Drive to be able to sell
worldwide including the frequently regulated countries like USA, Canada,
Europe (plus

Re: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

In message 4a8c3854.2080...@sun.com, dated Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Monrad 
Monsen monrad.mon...@sun.com writes:

What approvals would be needed?  Does the USB Flash Drive itself need a 
CE mark, FCC Class B mark, VCCI, BSMI, etc.? 

Substantially yes. There might be some loopholes, but to be sure of no 
trouble, get everything. The way to economize is to do only those tests 
that you are sure are necessary, and write convincing explanations about 
there being no need to do the others.
-- 
OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk
Things can always get better. But that's not the only option.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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Re: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

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So we all agree on the need for testing -- both emissions and applicable
immunity testing.  

What approvals would be needed?  Does the USB Flash Drive itself need a CE
mark, FCC Class B mark, VCCI, BSMI, etc.?  Or are the approvals applied to the
system (the PC, workstation or server) and the USB Flash Drive is merely
tested to verify that this component does not mess up the passing emissions
profile and immunity of the system?

Thanks.



Monrad L. Monsen
Worldwide Compliance Officer
Sun Microsystems
monrad.mon...@sun.com
303.272.9612 Office





Grasso, Charles wrote: 

Hello Monrad,

No brainer here!!

The definition says:

1.1.4 Inherently benign equipment

Equipment which is inherently benign in terms of electromagnetic

compatibility is excluded from the scope of the EMC Directive25.

Equipment is considered inherently benign in terms of electromagnetic

compatibility if:

• its inherent physical characteristics are such that it is incapable of

generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions which

exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunications equipment

and other equipment to operate as intended; and,

• it will operate without unacceptable degradation in the presence of

the electromagnetic disturbance normally present in its intended

environment.

Both conditions need to be met in order to classify equipment as 
inherently..

 

A USB stick is NOT a benign device from an EMC standpoint. If you stick 
that
on the end of a 2ft cable

 (sometimes supplied with the USB stick) and run an emissions test you 
will
be amazed at the emissions you’ll see. 

I concur with Dan. I have seen some truly noisy manufacturers.!!

 

I agree with your choice of specifications with maybe the exception of
powerline mag field.

 

Chas

 





From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dan 
Roman
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:11 AM
To: monrad.mon...@sun.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb 
Drive

 

Monrad,

 

I have tested PCs with thumb drives attached and while most from 
reputable
companies easily pass Class B emission limits I have had some of the freebie
drives you get a trade shows and in the mail from vendors fail Class A limits.
 I should note that the good ones have a CE Mark and FCC Class B logo on them
and the real bad ones only had some advertising stickers!  Beware, you
apparently get what you pay for.

 

Dan

 

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@sun.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:59 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

 

What EMC and safety approvals are required for USB flash drives or 
thumb
drives?

We are preparing to source for re-sell some USB flash drives from 
another
company that tells us that they are exempt.  They have a Declaration of
Conformity (DOC), but no supporting test reports.  This seems flaky to me on
many levels.  

Looking at the USB flash drive article in Wikipedia, the devices 
would have
a 12 MHz clock oscillator, so I can't merely say it is passive memory. 
However, could the USB flash drive still be excluded from the scope of the
European Union EMC Directive 2004/108/EC as inherently benign equipment?  See
section 1.1.4 within the Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC.
(http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_
quipment/emc/guides/emcguide_may2007.pdf)  I would want the device tested for
radiated emissions, as well as the EN55024 enclosure port immunity tests like
RF radiated field immunity, ESD, and power frequency magnetic field immunity.

I see that the LVD Directive 2006/95/EC limits its cope to equipment
operating in the range of 50-1000VAC and a range of 75-1500VDC.  (Article 1 of
LVD Directive 2006/95/EC)  However, electrical components which are intended
to be incorporated into other equipment and for which a risk assessment can be
undertaken, such as transformers and electrical motors, are covered as such by
the Directive and must be CE marked.  (Section 9, Guidelines on the
Application of Directive 2006/95/EC)  I would assume that this standard USB
flash drive would fit this description.  

Please confirm what worldwide EMC and safety approvals and testing is
required.  I definitely plan to required some systems level EMC testing that
includes the USB Flash Drive mounted on a server or PC, but I need to confirm
what agency approvals are needed for the Flash Drive to be able to sell
worldwide including the frequently regulated countries like USA

Re: Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

I worked for biggest flash based USB drive and SD, CF micro SD cards 
manufacturer for long time.

Safety is very complicated.  But simply said as the device operates less than
the lower  limit specified in LVD,  it is not required, However GPSD may ask
you for the report etc.

on EMC front, it is required and such devices radiate.  It is quite a
challenge to isolate the emissions whether it  is from USB drive or host
computer or it 's this combination.

It is also very interesting to study ESD immunity and pass/fail acceptance
criteria.

If you need further assistance Please reply me on this e-mail.
saloni95...@yahoo.com.

Thanks, 

Sudhakar 

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From: Douglas Smith d...@emcesd.com
Subject: Re: Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive
To: Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@sun.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:36 PM


Hi Monrad and the group (from Austin, TX)

I have seen a USB flash drive radiate at several hundreds of MHz due to 
a
resonance in its physical structure and helped the client fix the problem. So
I think the company you mention is not being diligent.

Duog

Monrad Monsen wrote: 

What EMC and safety approvals are required for USB flash drives 
or thumb
drives?

We are preparing to source for re-sell some USB flash drives 
from another
company that tells us that they are exempt.  They have a Declaration of
Conformity (DOC), but no supporting test reports.  This seems flaky to me on
many levels.  

Looking at the USB flash drive article in Wikipedia, the 
devices would
have a 12 MHz clock oscillator, so I can't merely say it is passive memory. 
However, could the USB flash drive still be excluded from the scope of the
European Union EMC Directive 2004/108/EC as inherently benign equipment?  See
section 1.1.4 within the Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC.
(http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_
quipment/emc/guides/emcguide_may2007.pdf)  I would want the device tested for
radiated emissions, as well as the EN55024 enclosure port immunity tests like
RF radiated field immunity, ESD, and power frequency magnetic field immunity.

I see that the LVD Directive 2006/95/EC limits its cope to 
equipment
operating in the range of 50-1000VAC and a range of 75-1500VDC.  (Article 1 of
LVD Directive 2006/95/EC)  However, electrical components which are intended
to be incorporated into other equipment and for which a risk assessment can be
undertaken, such as transformers and electrical motors, are covered as such by
the Directive and must be CE marked.  (Section 9, Guidelines on the
Application of Directive 2006/95/EC)  I would assume that this standard USB
flash drive would fit this description.  

Please confirm what worldwide EMC and safety approvals and 
testing is
required.  I definitely plan to required some systems level EMC testing that
includes the USB Flash Drive mounted on a server or PC, but I need to confirm
what agency approvals are needed for the Flash Drive to be able to sell
worldwide including the frequently regulated countries like USA, Canada,
Europe (plus Turkey), Australia, Japan (VCCI), Taiwan, China, Russia,
Argentina and Mexico.

Thanks.

-- 


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Sun Microsystems
monrad.mon...@sun.com
303.272.9612 Office

  


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RE: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

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Hello Monrad,

No brainer here!!

The definition says:

1.1.4 Inherently benign equipment

Equipment which is inherently benign in terms of electromagnetic

compatibility is excluded from the scope of the EMC Directive25.

Equipment is considered inherently benign in terms of electromagnetic

compatibility if:

• its inherent physical characteristics are such that it is incapable of

generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions which

exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunications equipment

and other equipment to operate as intended; and,

• it will operate without unacceptable degradation in the presence of

the electromagnetic disturbance normally present in its intended

environment.

Both conditions need to be met in order to classify equipment as inherently..

 

A USB stick is NOT a benign device from an EMC standpoint. If you stick that
on the end of a 2ft cable

 (sometimes supplied with the USB stick) and run an emissions test you will be
amazed at the emissions you’ll see. 

I concur with Dan. I have seen some truly noisy manufacturers.!!

 

I agree with your choice of specifications with maybe the exception of
powerline mag field.

 

Chas

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dan Roman
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:11 AM
To: monrad.mon...@sun.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

 

Monrad,

 

I have tested PCs with thumb drives attached and while most from reputable
companies easily pass Class B emission limits I have had some of the freebie
drives you get a trade shows and in the mail from vendors fail Class A limits.
 I should note that the good ones have a CE Mark and FCC Class B logo on them
and the real bad ones only had some advertising stickers!  Beware, you
apparently get what you pay for.

 

Dan

 

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@sun.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:59 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

 

What EMC and safety approvals are required for USB flash drives or thumb
drives?

We are preparing to source for re-sell some USB flash drives from another
company that tells us that they are exempt.  They have a Declaration of
Conformity (DOC), but no supporting test reports.  This seems flaky to me on
many levels.  

Looking at the USB flash drive article in Wikipedia, the devices would have
a 12 MHz clock oscillator, so I can't merely say it is passive memory. 
However, could the USB flash drive still be excluded from the scope of the
European Union EMC Directive 2004/108/EC as inherently benign equipment?  See
section 1.1.4 within the Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC.
(http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_
quipment/emc/guides/emcguide_may2007.pdf)  I would want the device tested for
radiated emissions, as well as the EN55024 enclosure port immunity tests like
RF radiated field immunity, ESD, and power frequency magnetic field immunity.

I see that the LVD Directive 2006/95/EC limits its cope to equipment operating
in the range of 50-1000VAC and a range of 75-1500VDC.  (Article 1 of LVD
Directive 2006/95/EC)  However, electrical components which are intended to
be incorporated into other equipment and for which a risk assessment can be
undertaken, such as transformers and electrical motors, are covered as such by
the Directive and must be CE marked.  (Section 9, Guidelines on the
Application of Directive 2006/95/EC)  I would assume that this standard USB
flash drive would fit this description.  

Please confirm what worldwide EMC and safety approvals and testing is
required.  I definitely plan to required some systems level EMC testing that
includes the USB Flash Drive mounted on a server or PC, but I need to confirm
what agency approvals are needed for the Flash Drive to be able to sell
worldwide including the frequently regulated countries like USA, Canada,
Europe (plus Turkey), Australia, Japan (VCCI), Taiwan, China, Russia,
Argentina and Mexico.

Thanks.

-- 

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Worldwide Compliance Officer
Sun Microsystems
monrad.mon...@sun.com
303.272.9612 Office

  

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RE: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

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Monrad,

 

I have tested PCs with thumb drives attached and while most from reputable
companies easily pass Class B emission limits I have had some of the freebie
drives you get a trade shows and in the mail from vendors fail Class A limits.
 I should note that the good ones have a CE Mark and FCC Class B logo on them
and the real bad ones only had some advertising stickers!  Beware, you
apparently get what you pay for.

 

Dan

 

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@sun.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:59 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

 

What EMC and safety approvals are required for USB flash drives or thumb
drives?

We are preparing to source for re-sell some USB flash drives from another
company that tells us that they are exempt.  They have a Declaration of
Conformity (DOC), but no supporting test reports.  This seems flaky to me on
many levels.  

Looking at the USB flash drive article in Wikipedia, the devices would have
a 12 MHz clock oscillator, so I can't merely say it is passive memory. 
However, could the USB flash drive still be excluded from the scope of the
European Union EMC Directive 2004/108/EC as inherently benign equipment?  See
section 1.1.4 within the Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC.
(http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_
quipment/emc/guides/emcguide_may2007.pdf)  I would want the device tested for
radiated emissions, as well as the EN55024 enclosure port immunity tests like
RF radiated field immunity, ESD, and power frequency magnetic field immunity.

I see that the LVD Directive 2006/95/EC limits its cope to equipment operating
in the range of 50-1000VAC and a range of 75-1500VDC.  (Article 1 of LVD
Directive 2006/95/EC)  However, electrical components which are intended to
be incorporated into other equipment and for which a risk assessment can be
undertaken, such as transformers and electrical motors, are covered as such by
the Directive and must be CE marked.  (Section 9, Guidelines on the
Application of Directive 2006/95/EC)  I would assume that this standard USB
flash drive would fit this description.  

Please confirm what worldwide EMC and safety approvals and testing is
required.  I definitely plan to required some systems level EMC testing that
includes the USB Flash Drive mounted on a server or PC, but I need to confirm
what agency approvals are needed for the Flash Drive to be able to sell
worldwide including the frequently regulated countries like USA, Canada,
Europe (plus Turkey), Australia, Japan (VCCI), Taiwan, China, Russia,
Argentina and Mexico.

Thanks.

-- 

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Worldwide Compliance Officer
Sun Microsystems
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Re: Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

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In message 4a8b4e62.1080...@sun.com, dated Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Monrad 
Monsen monrad.mon...@sun.com writes:

What EMC and safety approvals are required for USB flash drives or
thumb drives?

We are preparing to source for re-sell some USB flash drives from
another company that tells us that they are exempt.  They have a
Declaration of Conformity (DOC), but no supporting test reports.  This
seems flaky to me on many levels. 

In Europe, neither test reports or 'agency' approvals are legally 
required, but what IS required is a rationale or justification of any 
decision not to test for an EMC phenomenon.


Looking at the USB flash drive article in Wikipedia, the devices
would have a 12 MHz clock oscillator, so I can't merely say it is
passive memory. 

Not necessarily 12 MHz.

However, could the USB flash drive still be excluded
from the scope of the European Union EMC Directive 2004/108/EC as
inherently benign equipment?  See section 1.1.4 within the Guide for
the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC.

(http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_equipment

/emc/guides/emcguide_may2007.pdf)

No, I don't think that works, unless the on-board clock is very low 
power, like in an electronic watch.

  I would want the device tested for radiated emissions,

Well, certainly pre-compliance tested to see if any emissions are so far 
below limits that a claim of 'benign' is justified.

as well as
the EN55024 enclosure port immunity tests like RF radiated field
immunity, ESD, and power frequency magnetic field immunity.

I think that may be going a bit far, but ESD testing is justifiable.

I see that the LVD Directive 2006/95/EC limits its cope to equipment
operating in the range of 50-1000VAC and a range of 75-1500VDC. 
(Article 1 of LVD Directive 2006/95/EC)  However, electrical
components which are intended to be incorporated into other equipment
and for which a risk assessment can be undertaken, such as transformers
and electrical motors, are covered as such by the Directive and must be
CE marked.  (Section 9, Guidelines on the Application of Directive
2006/95/EC)  I would assume that this standard USB flash drive would
fit this description. 

The power levels associated with a USB stick are so low that no safety 
issue is likely.

Please confirm what worldwide EMC and safety approvals and testing is
required.  I definitely plan to required some systems level EMC testing
that includes the USB Flash Drive mounted on a server or PC, but I need
to confirm what agency approvals are needed for the Flash Drive to be
able to sell worldwide including the frequently regulated countries
like USA, Canada, Europe (plus Turkey),

No mandatory agency approvals for Europe.

 Australia, Japan (VCCI),
Taiwan, China, Russia, Argentina and Mexico.

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Re: Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

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Hi Monrad and the group (from Austin, TX)

I have seen a USB flash drive radiate at several hundreds of MHz due to a
resonance in its physical structure and helped the client fix the problem. So
I think the company you mention is not being diligent.

Duog

Monrad Monsen wrote: 

What EMC and safety approvals are required for USB flash drives or 
thumb
drives?

We are preparing to source for re-sell some USB flash drives from 
another
company that tells us that they are exempt.  They have a Declaration of
Conformity (DOC), but no supporting test reports.  This seems flaky to me on
many levels.  

Looking at the USB flash drive article in Wikipedia, the devices 
would have
a 12 MHz clock oscillator, so I can't merely say it is passive memory. 
However, could the USB flash drive still be excluded from the scope of the
European Union EMC Directive 2004/108/EC as inherently benign equipment?  See
section 1.1.4 within the Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC.
(http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_
quipment/emc/guides/emcguide_may2007.pdf)  I would want the device tested for
radiated emissions, as well as the EN55024 enclosure port immunity tests like
RF radiated field immunity, ESD, and power frequency magnetic field immunity.

I see that the LVD Directive 2006/95/EC limits its cope to equipment
operating in the range of 50-1000VAC and a range of 75-1500VDC.  (Article 1 of
LVD Directive 2006/95/EC)  However, electrical components which are intended
to be incorporated into other equipment and for which a risk assessment can be
undertaken, such as transformers and electrical motors, are covered as such by
the Directive and must be CE marked.  (Section 9, Guidelines on the
Application of Directive 2006/95/EC)  I would assume that this standard USB
flash drive would fit this description.  

Please confirm what worldwide EMC and safety approvals and testing is
required.  I definitely plan to required some systems level EMC testing that
includes the USB Flash Drive mounted on a server or PC, but I need to confirm
what agency approvals are needed for the Flash Drive to be able to sell
worldwide including the frequently regulated countries like USA, Canada,
Europe (plus Turkey), Australia, Japan (VCCI), Taiwan, China, Russia,
Argentina and Mexico.

Thanks.

-- 


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Sun Microsystems
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Approvals Required for USB Flash Drive or Thumb Drive

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What EMC and safety approvals are required for USB flash drives or thumb
drives?

We are preparing to source for re-sell some USB flash drives from another
company that tells us that they are exempt.  They have a Declaration of
Conformity (DOC), but no supporting test reports.  This seems flaky to me on
many levels.  

Looking at the USB flash drive article in Wikipedia, the devices would have
a 12 MHz clock oscillator, so I can't merely say it is passive memory. 
However, could the USB flash drive still be excluded from the scope of the
European Union EMC Directive 2004/108/EC as inherently benign equipment?  See
section 1.1.4 within the Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC.
(http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_
quipment/emc/guides/emcguide_may2007.pdf)  I would want the device tested for
radiated emissions, as well as the EN55024 enclosure port immunity tests like
RF radiated field immunity, ESD, and power frequency magnetic field immunity.

I see that the LVD Directive 2006/95/EC limits its cope to equipment operating
in the range of 50-1000VAC and a range of 75-1500VDC.  (Article 1 of LVD
Directive 2006/95/EC)  However, electrical components which are intended to
be incorporated into other equipment and for which a risk assessment can be
undertaken, such as transformers and electrical motors, are covered as such by
the Directive and must be CE marked.  (Section 9, Guidelines on the
Application of Directive 2006/95/EC)  I would assume that this standard USB
flash drive would fit this description.  

Please confirm what worldwide EMC and safety approvals and testing is
required.  I definitely plan to required some systems level EMC testing that
includes the USB Flash Drive mounted on a server or PC, but I need to confirm
what agency approvals are needed for the Flash Drive to be able to sell
worldwide including the frequently regulated countries like USA, Canada,
Europe (plus Turkey), Australia, Japan (VCCI), Taiwan, China, Russia,
Argentina and Mexico.

Thanks.

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hours! Refreshments will be served. 

The Roundtable events are informal with a start time of 9:00 AM. The session
will last approximately 3 hours. 12:00 there will be an hour of REACH, RoHS
and WEEE information presented by Geoffrey Bock. Depending on attendance, a
second session may be added. 

Agenda Items Will Include: 
Overview of Global Regulatory/International Approvals (IA) Requirements: 
- Telecom/Radio 
- Wireless 
- Product Safety (including IEC/EN60950, IEC/EN60065, IEC/EN60335) 
- EMC 
Country-Specific Requirements: 
- BRICK Countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Korea) 
- Requirements for Tier 3 Countries/Emerging Markets (Asia, Africa, So.
America, etc) 
- Additional Markets (that can be difficult to enter - e.g., Taiwan) 
Introduction of IA Service: 
- Global Service and Delivery
- Final In-Country Product Registration Services 
- IA Program Management 
Benefits:
- Reduce Regulatory Project Cycle Time (Enter 200+ Countries in a Single
Project!) 
- Reduce Regulatory Vendor Management 
- Coordinate Global Product Launch 
- Deliver Value to Your Corporate Operations 

Business Development Manager for Green Initiatives will be speaking on the
following topics and issues: 
- Continuing RoHS/WEEE 
- New changes to RoHS/WEEE 
- REACH and the impact to all products that are considered Articles 
- The impact of the CPSIA (CPSC) requirements on children's articles 
- Achieving full part number disclosure 
- The ability to achieve confident Due-Diligence 

International Approvals presenter, Bill Holz, has 25 years of experience in
international regulatory services and joined TUVR's Market Access team in
2008. Mr Holz is well-known as one of the foremost experts in the rules and
pitfalls of navigating complex international regulatory procedures and your
company will benefit from his experience. 

Please confirm your attendance by return email no later then June 1st. Email 
pmerguer...@us.tuv.com 

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Re: TUV Rheinland of North America International Approvals Round Table Complimentary Invitation

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Dear List Members,
 
I do apologize, the Raleigh North Carolina complimentary round table date has
been changed to April 9th. 
 
Should you have any questions please contact bh...@us.tuv.com or
pmerguer...@us.tuv.com
 
 
Thanks, Peter


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com
Subject: TUV Rheinland of North America International Approvals Round 
Table
Complimentary Invitation
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 12:14 AM




TUV Rheinland of North America, Market Access Services,  is conducting a
series of International Approvals (IA) round table discussions to be held at
the following locations:


March 24th - Boca Ratan, FL
March 25th - Atlanta, GA
March 26th - Raleigh, NC
April 14 - Rochester, NY*
April 16 - Secaucus, NJ
April 21 - Boxborough, MA*
April 23 - Newtown, CT
April 28 - Carlsbad, CA*
April 30 - Pleasanton, CA*


* Additional dates may be added


Round Table Overview
The purpose of this discussion will be to provide an overview of Global
Regulatory Approvals processes, review potential roadblocks, and give you an
opportunity to have your questions answered by our International Approvals
expert - Mr. Bill Holz. Please join us for an informative couple of hours!
Continental breakfast will be served. 
 
The Round Table events are informal with normal start time of 9:00 AM. 
The
session will last approximately 3 hours. Depending on attendance, a second
session may be added.
 

Agenda Items Will Include: 

Overview of Global Regulatory/International Approvals (IA) Requirements:
- Telecom/Radio
- Wireless
- Product Safety (including IEC/EN60950-1, IEC/EN60065, IEC/EN60335)
- EMC

Country-Specific Requirements:
- BRICK Countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Korea)
- Requirements for Tier 3 Countries/Emerging Markets (Asia, Africa, So.
America, etc)
- Additional Markets (that can be difficult to enter - e.g., Taiwan)

Introduction of Market Access Service:
- Global Service and Delivery 
- Final In-Country Product Registration Services
-  Program Management 

Benefits:
- Reduce Regulatory Project Cycle Time (Enter 200+ Countries in a Single
Project!)
- Reduce Regulatory Vendor Management
- Coordinate Global Product Launch 
- Deliver Value to Your Corporate Operations 

 
ATTENDANCE IS COMPLIMENTARY

Our presenter, Bill Holz, has 25 years of experience in international
regulatory services and joined TUV Rheinland's Market Access Department in
2008. Bill is well-known as one of the foremost experts in the rules and
pitfalls of navigating complex international regulatory procedures, and your
company will benefit from his experience.  We strongly suggest that your
Marketing/Sales Department and Engineering Department attend together.


Please confirm your attendance as soon as possible by email: 
bh...@us.tuv.com
or pmerguer...@us.tuv.com



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TUV Rheinland of North America International Approvals Round Table Complimentary Invitation

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

TUV Rheinland of North America, Market Access Services,  is conducting a
series of International Approvals (IA) round table discussions to be held at
the following locations:


March 24th - Boca Ratan, FL
March 25th - Atlanta, GA
March 26th - Raleigh, NC
April 14 - Rochester, NY*
April 16 - Secaucus, NJ
April 21 - Boxborough, MA*
April 23 - Newtown, CT
April 28 - Carlsbad, CA*
April 30 - Pleasanton, CA*


* Additional dates may be added


Round Table Overview
The purpose of this discussion will be to provide an overview of Global
Regulatory Approvals processes, review potential roadblocks, and give you an
opportunity to have your questions answered by our International Approvals
expert - Mr. Bill Holz. Please join us for an informative couple of hours!
Continental breakfast will be served. 
 
The Round Table events are informal with normal start time of 9:00 AM. 
The
session will last approximately 3 hours. Depending on attendance, a second
session may be added.
 

Agenda Items Will Include: 

Overview of Global Regulatory/International Approvals (IA) Requirements:
- Telecom/Radio
- Wireless
- Product Safety (including IEC/EN60950-1, IEC/EN60065, IEC/EN60335)
- EMC

Country-Specific Requirements:
- BRICK Countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Korea)
- Requirements for Tier 3 Countries/Emerging Markets (Asia, Africa, So.
America, etc)
- Additional Markets (that can be difficult to enter - e.g., Taiwan)

Introduction of Market Access Service:
- Global Service and Delivery 
- Final In-Country Product Registration Services
-  Program Management 

Benefits:
- Reduce Regulatory Project Cycle Time (Enter 200+ Countries in a Single
Project!)
- Reduce Regulatory Vendor Management
- Coordinate Global Product Launch 
- Deliver Value to Your Corporate Operations 

 
ATTENDANCE IS COMPLIMENTARY

Our presenter, Bill Holz, has 25 years of experience in international
regulatory services and joined TUV Rheinland's Market Access Department in
2008. Bill is well-known as one of the foremost experts in the rules and
pitfalls of navigating complex international regulatory procedures, and your
company will benefit from his experience.  We strongly suggest that your
Marketing/Sales Department and Engineering Department attend together.


Please confirm your attendance as soon as possible by email: 
bh...@us.tuv.com
or pmerguer...@us.tuv.com


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Re: International Approvals Seminar by TUV Rheinland of North America - Dallas, Texas

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Robert,
 
Yes, we had one recently and we intend to have another shortly. I will send
the invite
 
Peter

--- On Wed, 2/11/09, m...@california.com m...@california.com wrote:


From: m...@california.com m...@california.com
Subject: Re: International Approvals Seminar by TUV Rheinland of North
America - Dallas, Texas
To: pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com, emc-p...@ieee.org
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:20 PM


Peter,

Will similar occur in Bay Area?

Robert

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:36:57 -0800 (PST)
 peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 International Approvals Round Table Complimentary
 Invitation
 
 TUV Rheinland of North America, cordially invites you to
 our International Approvals (IA) round table discussion
 to be held at the 
 
  
 Hilton Garden Inn
 1001 W. Pres. George Bush Turnpike
 Richardson, TX
 The roundtable will be held in the Prairie Creek II room.
  
 on February 17th from 9:00AM to noon. For reservations,
 please contact:
  
 Dan Garwood
 TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc.
 2324 Ridgepoint Dr., Suite E
 Austin, TX 78754
 Tel - (512) 927-0070 x231
 Cell - (512) 909-8511
 Fax - (512) 927-0080
 Email - dgarw...@us.tuv.com
  
 The purpose of this discussion will be to provide an
 overview of Global Regulatory Approvals processes, review
 potential roadblocks, and give you an opportunity to have
 your questions answered by our International Approvals
 Division expert - Mr. Bill Holz. Please join us for an
 informative couple of hours! A complimentary continental
 breakfast will be provided.
  
 Agenda Items Will Include: 
 Overview of Global Regulatory/International Approvals
 (IA) Requirements:
 - Telecom/Radio
 - Wireless
 - Product Safety (including EN60950, EN60065, EN60335)
 - EMC
 Country-Specific Requirements:
 - BRICK Countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Korea)
 - Requirements for Tier 3 Countries/Emerging Markets
 (Asia, Africa, So. America, etc)
 - Additional Markets (that can be difficult to enter -
 e.g., Taiwan)
 Introduction of TUVR IA Service:
 - Global Service and Delivery
 - Final In-Country Product Registration Services
 - TUV Rheinland IA Program Management 
 Benefit to TUVR Customers:
 - Reduce Regulatory Project Cycle Time
 - Reduce Regulatory Vendor Management
 - Coordinate Global Product Launch 
 - Deliver Value to Your Corporate Operations 
 ATTENDANCE IS COMPLIMENTARY
 Our presenter, Bill Holz, has 25 years of experience in
 international regulatory services and joined TUVR's
 International approvals team in 2008. Bill is well-known
 as one of the foremost experts in the rules and pitfalls
 of navigating complex international regulatory
 procedures, and your company will benefit from his
 experience. 
  
  
  
 
 
 
   
 
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Re: International Approvals Seminar by TUV Rheinland of North America - Dallas, Texas

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Peter,

Will similar occur in Bay Area?

Robert

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:36:57 -0800 (PST)
 peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 International Approvals Round Table Complimentary
 Invitation
 
 TUV Rheinland of North America, cordially invites you to
 our International Approvals (IA) round table discussion
 to be held at the 
 
  
 Hilton Garden Inn
 1001 W. Pres. George Bush Turnpike
 Richardson, TX
 The roundtable will be held in the Prairie Creek II room.
  
 on February 17th from 9:00AM to noon. For reservations,
 please contact:
  
 Dan Garwood
 TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc.
 2324 Ridgepoint Dr., Suite E
 Austin, TX 78754
 Tel - (512) 927-0070 x231
 Cell - (512) 909-8511
 Fax - (512) 927-0080
 Email - dgarw...@us.tuv.com
  
 The purpose of this discussion will be to provide an
 overview of Global Regulatory Approvals processes, review
 potential roadblocks, and give you an opportunity to have
 your questions answered by our International Approvals
 Division expert - Mr. Bill Holz. Please join us for an
 informative couple of hours! A complimentary continental
 breakfast will be provided.
  
 Agenda Items Will Include: 
 Overview of Global Regulatory/International Approvals
 (IA) Requirements:
 - Telecom/Radio
 - Wireless
 - Product Safety (including EN60950, EN60065, EN60335)
 - EMC
 Country-Specific Requirements:
 - BRICK Countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Korea)
 - Requirements for Tier 3 Countries/Emerging Markets
 (Asia, Africa, So. America, etc)
 - Additional Markets (that can be difficult to enter -
 e.g., Taiwan)
 Introduction of TUVR IA Service:
 - Global Service and Delivery
 - Final In-Country Product Registration Services
 - TUV Rheinland IA Program Management 
 Benefit to TUVR Customers:
 - Reduce Regulatory Project Cycle Time
 - Reduce Regulatory Vendor Management
 - Coordinate Global Product Launch 
 - Deliver Value to Your Corporate Operations 
 ATTENDANCE IS COMPLIMENTARY
 Our presenter, Bill Holz, has 25 years of experience in
 international regulatory services and joined TUVR's
 International approvals team in 2008. Bill is well-known
 as one of the foremost experts in the rules and pitfalls
 of navigating complex international regulatory
 procedures, and your company will benefit from his
 experience. 
  
  
  
 
 
 
   
 
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International Approvals Seminar by TUV Rheinland of North America - Dallas, Texas

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International Approvals Round Table Complimentary Invitation

TUV Rheinland of North America, cordially invites you to our International
Approvals (IA) round table discussion to be held at the 
 
Hilton Garden Inn
1001 W. Pres. George Bush Turnpike
Richardson, TX
The roundtable will be held in the Prairie Creek II room.
 
on February 17th from 9:00AM to noon. For reservations, please contact:
 
Dan Garwood
TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc.
2324 Ridgepoint Dr., Suite E
Austin, TX 78754
Tel - (512) 927-0070 x231
Cell - (512) 909-8511
Fax - (512) 927-0080
Email - dgarw...@us.tuv.com
 
The purpose of this discussion will be to provide an overview of Global
Regulatory Approvals processes, review potential roadblocks, and give you an
opportunity to have your questions answered by our International Approvals
Division expert - Mr. Bill Holz. Please join us for an informative couple of
hours! A complimentary continental breakfast will be provided.
 
Agenda Items Will Include: 
Overview of Global Regulatory/International Approvals (IA) Requirements:
- Telecom/Radio
- Wireless
- Product Safety (including EN60950, EN60065, EN60335)
- EMC
Country-Specific Requirements:
- BRICK Countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Korea)
- Requirements for Tier 3 Countries/Emerging Markets (Asia, Africa, So.
America, etc)
- Additional Markets (that can be difficult to enter - e.g., Taiwan)
Introduction of TUVR IA Service:
- Global Service and Delivery
- Final In-Country Product Registration Services
- TUV Rheinland IA Program Management 
Benefit to TUVR Customers:
- Reduce Regulatory Project Cycle Time
- Reduce Regulatory Vendor Management
- Coordinate Global Product Launch 
- Deliver Value to Your Corporate Operations 
ATTENDANCE IS COMPLIMENTARY
Our presenter, Bill Holz, has 25 years of experience in international
regulatory services and joined TUVR's International approvals team in 2008.
Bill is well-known as one of the foremost experts in the rules and pitfalls of
navigating complex international regulatory procedures, and your company will
benefit from his experience. 
 
 
 



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International Approvals Seminar by TUV Rheinland of North America - Austin Texas

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International Approvals Round Table Complimentary Invitation

TUV Rheinland of North America, cordially invites you to our International
Approvals (IA) round table discussion to be held at the Courtyard by Marriott
- Austin Central, 5660 N IH 35, Austin, TX  ( It is on the west side of I-35
just south of .) on February 18th from 9:00AM to noon. For reservations,
please contact:
 
Dan Garwood
TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc.
2324 Ridgepoint Dr., Suite E
Austin, TX 78754
Tel - (512) 927-0070 x231
Cell - (512) 909-8511
Fax - (512) 927-0080
Email - dgarw...@us.tuv.com
 
The purpose of this discussion will be to provide an overview of Global
Regulatory Approvals processes, review potential roadblocks, and give you an
opportunity to have your questions answered by our International Approvals
Division expert - Mr. Bill Holz. Please join us for an informative couple of
hours! A complimentary continental breakfast will be provided.
 
Agenda Items Will Include: 
Overview of Global Regulatory/International Approvals (IA) Requirements:
- Telecom/Radio
- Wireless
- Product Safety (including EN60950, EN60065, EN60335)
- EMC
Country-Specific Requirements:
- BRICK Countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Korea)
- Requirements for Tier 3 Countries/Emerging Markets (Asia, Africa, So.
America, etc)
- Additional Markets (that can be difficult to enter - e.g., Taiwan)
Introduction of TUVR IA Service:
- Global Service and Delivery
- Final In-Country Product Registration Services
- TUV Rheinland IA Program Management 
Benefit to TUVR Customers:
- Reduce Regulatory Project Cycle Time
- Reduce Regulatory Vendor Management
- Coordinate Global Product Launch 
- Deliver Value to Your Corporate Operations 
ATTENDANCE IS COMPLIMENTARY
Our presenter, Bill Holz, has 25 years of experience in international
regulatory services and joined TUVR's International approvals team in 2008.
Bill is well-known as one of the foremost experts in the rules and pitfalls of
navigating complex international regulatory procedures, and your company will
benefit from his experience. 
 
 
 

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Mains power cables with North American and European Approvals

[Brian Ceresney]

Greetings All, 

After searching numerous websites, and enduring countless blank stares from
possible suppliers….

I am trying to find 3 conductor power cord that is rated 105C, 250V,
14Awg(1.5^2), SJ Type or equivalent, with UL/CSA Approvals as well as
approval(HAR?) by one of the European safety organizations, with little luck.
Are these approvals mutually exclusive? Or just rarely needed, because country
specific cords/connectors are required in the final application?

Your comments are much appreciated.

 

Best Regards, 

 

Brian Ceresney, CTech.

Test and Regulatory Team Lead,

Delta-Q Technologies Corp.

Unit 3 - 5250 Grimmer Street

Burnaby, BC  Canada  V5H 2H2

Tel: 604-327-8244 Ext.112

Fax: 604-327-8246

Cell:  778-839-9765

www.delta-q.com

bceres...@delta-q.com mailto:bceres...@delta-q.com 

 

 

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RE: Mains power cables with North American and European Approvals

[Ted Eckert]

Hello Brian,

 

There are cables with both UL and European approvals.  I don’t know if any
vendors have 1.5 mm2 cable, but they do have universal jumpers for lower
currents.  The list below represents what I know about.  This is not an
endorsement of any of these vendors.  There are also likely other vendors with
cables with both North American and European approvals.

http://www.volex.com/index.php?option=c
m_ecatalogtask=classlistcountryid=23Itemid=31

http://www.alphawire.com/pages/302.cfm

http://www.qualtekusa.com/Catalog/Power%20Cords/PDF%20Files/319002t01.pdf

 

Ted Eckert

Compliance Engineer

Microsoft Corporation

ted.eck...@microsoft.com

 

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
employer.

 

From: Brian Ceresney [mailto:bceres...@delta-q.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:10 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Mains power cables with North American and European Approvals

 

Greetings All, 

After searching numerous websites, and enduring countless blank stares from
possible suppliers….

I am trying to find 3 conductor power cord that is rated 105C, 250V,
14Awg(1.5^2), SJ Type or equivalent, with UL/CSA Approvals as well as
approval(HAR?) by one of the European safety organizations, with little luck.
Are these approvals mutually exclusive? Or just rarely needed, because country
specific cords/connectors are required in the final application?

Your comments are much appreciated.

 

Best Regards, 

 

Brian Ceresney, CTech.

Test and Regulatory Team Lead,

Delta-Q Technologies Corp.

Unit 3 - 5250 Grimmer Street

Burnaby, BC  Canada  V5H 2H2

Tel: 604-327-8244 Ext.112

Fax: 604-327-8246

Cell:  778-839-9765

www.delta-q.com

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RE: Mains power cables with North American and European Approvals

[Bender, Curtis]

Brian,

 I believe that you are looking for “tri-rated” cable. There are suppliers
that have a multi-rating; typically they spec the wire in mm^2 from what I
have found.

 

Curtis Bender | 616.994.4221 | curtis.ben...@tennantco.com

 



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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:24 PM
To: Brian Ceresney; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: Mains power cables with North American and European Approvals

 

Hello Brian,

 

There are cables with both UL and European approvals.  I don’t know if any
vendors have 1.5 mm2 cable, but they do have universal jumpers for lower
currents.  The list below represents what I know about.  This is not an
endorsement of any of these vendors.  There are also likely other vendors with
cables with both North American and European approvals.

http://www.volex.com/index.php?option=c
m_ecatalogtask=classlistcountryid=23Itemid=31

http://www.alphawire.com/pages/302.cfm

http://www.qualtekusa.com/Catalog/Power%20Cords/PDF%20Files/319002t01.pdf

 

Ted Eckert

Compliance Engineer

Microsoft Corporation

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employer.

 

From: Brian Ceresney [mailto:bceres...@delta-q.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:10 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Mains power cables with North American and European Approvals

 

Greetings All, 

After searching numerous websites, and enduring countless blank stares from
possible suppliers….

I am trying to find 3 conductor power cord that is rated 105C, 250V,
14Awg(1.5^2), SJ Type or equivalent, with UL/CSA Approvals as well as
approval(HAR?) by one of the European safety organizations, with little luck.
Are these approvals mutually exclusive? Or just rarely needed, because country
specific cords/connectors are required in the final application?

Your comments are much appreciated.

 

Best Regards, 

 

Brian Ceresney, CTech.

Test and Regulatory Team Lead,

Delta-Q Technologies Corp.

Unit 3 - 5250 Grimmer Street

Burnaby, BC  Canada  V5H 2H2

Tel: 604-327-8244 Ext.112

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South African Safety Approvals

[Jim Purdie]

Dear Experts,
 
Could anyone pass on any information regarding Safety Approvals required for
computer accessories in South Africa?  The device is a data storage device
that interfaces and is powered through a USB port on a PC, in our case a
laptop.  We are looking at including this accessory with a laptop.  I am told
the laptop is approved in South Africa.
 
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Myanmar and Laos Approvals

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Dear Group Members,
 
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C-tick approvals

[Michael Garretson]

Greetings listmembers,

 

I have a request to obtain C-Tick approvals for a computer platform we
manufacture.

I have been told that we need to have in-country representation in order to
secure and maintain this approval.

We don’t currently have offices there and don’t intend to work with a
distributor.  Our sales will be directly to a multinational company who will
deploy and support it.

If my customer isn’t keen on owning the cert, what are my options?

 

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Re: C-tick approvals

[Alex Horvath]

I just went through this and most domestic certification labs either have or
work with reps down under.

I explored finding an AU rep independently of a domestic lab and found that
it's much easier and cheaper to use a domestic cert lab to file the paperwork.

 

 




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Subject: C-tick approvals



Greetings listmembers,

 

I have a request to obtain C-Tick approvals for a computer platform we
manufacture.

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secure and maintain this approval.

We don¢t currently have offices there and don¢t intend to work with a
distributor.  Our sales will be directly to a multinational company who will
deploy and support it.

If my customer isn¢t keen on owning the cert, what are my options?

 

Michael Garretson
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RE: C-tick approvals

[Aldous, Scott]

Hi Michael,

 

There are agents both in Australia and New Zealand that you can use for this.
They would then issue the declaration, and hold the compliance folder, and you
could mark your product with the C-Tick together with the agent’s supplier
code. They will charge you an up front fee, and an annual fee thereafter to
maintain the folder.

 

You can probably google around for agents. One that I have seen used a lot for
ITE in my previous job is Qualsure Consultants. There are quite a few others
also. Useful information at these sites:

 

http://www.acma.gov.au/web/STANDARD//pc%3DPC_100964
http://www.acma.gov.au/web/STANDARD/pc%3DPC_100964 

 

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legisla
ion/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/0037BC
72B3EF925CA2573E1000FA6AC/$file/RadcomLabellingElectromagCompNotice2008.pdf

 

Scott Aldous

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Advanced Energy

Tel: 970-407-6872

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Greetings listmembers,

 

I have a request to obtain C-Tick approvals for a computer platform we
manufacture.

I have been told that we need to have in-country representation in order to
secure and maintain this approval.

We don’t currently have offices there and don’t intend to work with a
distributor.  Our sales will be directly to a multinational company who will
deploy and support it.

If my customer isn’t keen on owning the cert, what are my options?

 

Michael Garretson
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RE: C-tick approvals

[Kevin Richardson]

Michael,
 
Under Australian product compliance legislation/regulations anyone importing a
product into Australia is responsible for the compliance of that device with
all applicable compliance regulations.  As such, if you do not have a local
office then each and every importer of your product is responsible for the
compliance of the product they import and supply into the Australian market.
 
Australian product compliance regulations allow an importer to appoint an
Agent, by way of written agreement, to assume responsibility for compliance. 
this is the only alternative.  There is no recognition under the Australian
regulations of any relationship/agreement of any one in Australia with the
overseas supplier.
 
For more information on arrangements concerning Agents you may wish to review
the information at www.stanimore.com/agent.htm
 


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I have a request to obtain C-Tick approvals for a computer platform we
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We don’t currently have offices there and don’t intend to work with a
distributor.  Our sales will be directly to a multinational company who will
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Re: need for cUL/CSA approvals on 48VDC electrical distribution equipment

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In message gpebiemindfoomgloinneeohegaa.paul_dobrovo...@sympatico.ca, 
dated Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Paul Dobrovolny paul_dobrovo...@sympatico.ca 
writes:


I'm wondering if there are safety standards, perhaps such as IEC/UL 
60950,
that  require a safety approvals certification file listing on 
48VDC electrical distribution equipment

Not IEC 60950.
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Re: need for cUL/CSA approvals on 48VDC electrical distribution equipment

[Kevin Keegan]

Hi Paul,

I'm not sure why you are saying UL is not valid in Canada. They are an NRTL and 
 
therefore recognized. I agree a cUL would be better if there is a specific 
requirement 
difference for Canada.

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On 5 Jun 2008 at 22:16, Paul Dobrovolny wrote:

 
 Hi
 
 I'm wondering if there are safety standards, perhaps such as IEC/UL 60950,
 that requirea safety approvals certification file listing on 48VDCelectrical 
 distribution 
equipment 
 - i.e. fused disconnect switch, with blown fuse indicator (could be a QIFFI 
 fuse or 
electronic 
 circuit module). 
 Application is a station battery needinga 1200A disconnect means,with 66 kA 
 short-
circuit amps 
 capability.
 
 I've found that some OEMs offer only products with UL recognition - which is 
 notvalid 
in 
 Canada.
 Other OEMs (even Canadian ones) claim that approvals are unnecessary because 
48V is a safe 
 touch voltage (never mind the energy discharge and arc flashhazards!)
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 Thanks!
 
 Please reply directly to:
 
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RE: need for cUL/CSA approvals on 48VDC electrical distribution equipment

[Brian O'Connell]

'UL', as an organization or a standard is not considered valid,
nor is it considered not Valid in Canada. UL's accreditation as
an NRTL does not necessarily give it any standing in Canada - the
NRTL program is administered by the U.S. OSHA. The Canadian
government administers their own programs for compliance with the
Canadian Electric Code.

The CSA and UL have produced several bi-national standards, and
UL and CSA have MRAs for some products. 'cUL' is not better, it
is required, for some products, to place on the market in Canada.
The national version of IEC 60950-1, for North America, is
published as the bi-national standard CSA C22.2 No 60950-1-07, UL
60950-1 2d Ed.

Limits for exposed circuits that are 'safe to touch' are
dependent on the operating environment and the intended end-use
installation. If the environment is CO, then UL/CSA 60950-1 has
national-specific TNV/SELV requirements, and the CEC has
additional requirements, depending on wiring location. That is,
while 48V is low enough V to not require LCC, there are also
fire-code requirements.

luck,
Brian


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Kevin
Keegan
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 5:45 AM
To: Paul Dobrovolny; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: need for cUL/CSA approvals on 48VDC electrical
distribution
equipment

Hi Paul,

I'm not sure why you are saying UL is not valid in Canada. They
are an NRTL and
therefore recognized. I agree a cUL would be better if there is a
specific requirement
difference for Canada.

Regards,
Kevin Keegan
Senior Associate
KES  Associates
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Kanata, Ontario
Canada K2K 2V1

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On 5 Jun 2008 at 22:16, Paul Dobrovolny wrote:


 Hi

 I'm wondering if there are safety standards, perhaps such as
IEC/UL 60950,
 that requirea safety approvals certification file listing on
48VDCelectrical distribution
equipment
 - i.e. fused disconnect switch, with blown fuse indicator
(could be a QIFFI fuse or
electronic
 circuit module).
 Application is a station battery needinga 1200A disconnect
means,with 66 kA short-
circuit amps
 capability.

 I've found that some OEMs offer only products with UL
recognition - which is notvalid
in
 Canada.
 Other OEMs (even Canadian ones) claim that approvals are
unnecessary because
48V is a safe
 touch voltage (never mind the energy discharge and arc
flashhazards!)
 signed, PERPLEXED
 Thanks!

 Please reply directly to:
 
 Paul.Dobrovolny at nasittuq.com

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need for cUL/CSA approvals on 48VDC electrical distribution equipment

[Paul Dobrovolny]

Hi
 
I'm wondering if there are safety standards, perhaps such as IEC/UL 60950,
that  require a safety approvals certification file listing on 48VDC
electrical distribution equipment 
- i.e. fused disconnect switch, with blown fuse indicator (could be a QIFFI
fuse or electronic circuit module).  
Application is a station battery needing a 1200A disconnect means, with 66 kA
short-circuit amps capability.
 
I've found that some OEMs offer only products with  UL recognition - which is
not valid in Canada.
Other OEMs (even Canadian ones) claim that approvals are unnecessary because
48V is a safe touch voltage (never mind the energy discharge and arc flash
hazards!)
signed, PERPLEXED
Thanks!
 
Please reply directly to:


Paul.Dobrovolny at nasittuq.com

www.nasittuq.com http://www.nasittuq.com 

Work (613) 787-9650 



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VCCI approvals for AC/DC adapter

[peterhays]

Hi Folks,

Can anyone tell me why we don't see VCCI logo on many AC/DC adapters on the
market? 

Thanks
Pete


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Re: VCCI approvals for AC/DC adapter

[peter merguerian]

Pete,
 
VCCI is voluntary and it applies to ITE equipment as a system, not power
adaptors. AC/DC power adaptors are covered under the Denan law and must meet
RFI (emissisions only) and safety and be marked with the PSE Mark.
 
Peter

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Hi Folks,

Can anyone tell me why we don't see VCCI logo on many AC/DC adapters on 
the
market? 

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