Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-08-02 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:31:31 -0400
Mike Blumenkrantz  wrote:

> Actually, if we were able to do Mac builds elsewhere then this would
> greatly improve our CI build times. Mac builders on Travis are very
> highly contested and so have even fewer resources available than
> Linux builders. Even on my CI feature branch, Mac builds take 2x
> longer (10+ mins more) than Linux builds.

Could see if CircleCI is any faster, I think its a similar env. Though
maybe more for Mobile vs Desktop.
https://circleci.com/build-environments/xcode/osx/


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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
The provider I mentioned is getting more machines so space isn’t an issue as it 
will have 530gb on board. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Jul 2018, at 07:14, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 05:43:58 + jaquil...@eagleeyet.net said:
> 
>> Hi Carsten,
>> 
>> Thanks for the update. I am in search of another mac host provider. I 
>> know back in 2009 that osx was around 12gb installed then at some point 
>> they managed to get that down to 6gb for the os installed. My suspicion 
>> is that they moved alot of big apps like xcode out of the os and onto 
>> the app store.
> 
> wow... that's fat. even at 6gb... :) so 16g might be the ticket in either 
> case.
> not sure it's even an option...
> 
>>> On 2018-07-28 05:40, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 04:56:44 + jaquil...@eagleeyet.net said:
>>> 
 Hi All,
 
 I am looking at this to see what I can get and the initial provider I
 found sadly his page is saying sold out on all models granted 2 say 
 sign
 up.
 
 My question though is how much storage space for code as well as the
 built product is needed?
>>> 
>>> spare space beyond dependencies and OS that is NEEDED is about 1gb, but 
>>> that's
>>> a bare minimum (well ok 700m for an efl git tree plus build files, with 
>>> some
>>> extra space for the install). once you start using ccache and need 
>>> space for
>>> comfort, maybe 8gb? that's beyond the base os + dependencies. i don't 
>>> know how
>>> much osx uses and i might hazard a guess that dependencies beyond basic 
>>> osx
>>> might add up to 200-500m. so maybe 16gb and call it a day if osx isn't 
>>> too
>>> bloated...
>>> 
> On 2018-07-25 06:54, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello.
> 
>> On 25.07.2018 08:41, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>> Seeing as there is quite a bit of interest in this tonight, which is
>> going to probably be the first evening relaxed at home with my wife
>> since we got back from the honeymoon, I will purchase the server. Can
>> someone open up some tickets on Phabricator with what you guys want me
>> to do and what the end goal is that way progress can be tracked by
>> those following the ticket.  If not I will open a ticket on my
>> helpdesk.
>> 
>> I’m also a bit concerned about accuracy of documentation. Is
>> everything up to date?
> 
> https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/distros/osx-start.md
> https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-deps.sh
> https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-build.sh
> 
> This is what I used when setting up the osx builds on Travis. Likely
> there are more details to figure out.
> 
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
> 
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-28 Thread Carsten Haitzler
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 05:43:58 + jaquil...@eagleeyet.net said:

> Hi Carsten,
> 
> Thanks for the update. I am in search of another mac host provider. I 
> know back in 2009 that osx was around 12gb installed then at some point 
> they managed to get that down to 6gb for the os installed. My suspicion 
> is that they moved alot of big apps like xcode out of the os and onto 
> the app store.

wow... that's fat. even at 6gb... :) so 16g might be the ticket in either case.
not sure it's even an option...

> On 2018-07-28 05:40, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 04:56:44 + jaquil...@eagleeyet.net said:
> > 
> >> Hi All,
> >> 
> >> I am looking at this to see what I can get and the initial provider I
> >> found sadly his page is saying sold out on all models granted 2 say 
> >> sign
> >> up.
> >> 
> >> My question though is how much storage space for code as well as the
> >> built product is needed?
> > 
> > spare space beyond dependencies and OS that is NEEDED is about 1gb, but 
> > that's
> > a bare minimum (well ok 700m for an efl git tree plus build files, with 
> > some
> > extra space for the install). once you start using ccache and need 
> > space for
> > comfort, maybe 8gb? that's beyond the base os + dependencies. i don't 
> > know how
> > much osx uses and i might hazard a guess that dependencies beyond basic 
> > osx
> > might add up to 200-500m. so maybe 16gb and call it a day if osx isn't 
> > too
> > bloated...
> > 
> >> On 2018-07-25 06:54, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> >> > Hello.
> >> >
> >> > On 25.07.2018 08:41, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> >> >> Seeing as there is quite a bit of interest in this tonight, which is
> >> >> going to probably be the first evening relaxed at home with my wife
> >> >> since we got back from the honeymoon, I will purchase the server. Can
> >> >> someone open up some tickets on Phabricator with what you guys want me
> >> >> to do and what the end goal is that way progress can be tracked by
> >> >> those following the ticket.  If not I will open a ticket on my
> >> >> helpdesk.
> >> >>
> >> >> I’m also a bit concerned about accuracy of documentation. Is
> >> >> everything up to date?
> >> >
> >> > https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/distros/osx-start.md
> >> > https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-deps.sh
> >> > https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-build.sh
> >> >
> >> > This is what I used when setting up the osx builds on Travis. Likely
> >> > there are more details to figure out.
> >> >
> >> > regards
> >> > Stefan Schmidt
> >> >
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 04:56:44 + jaquil...@eagleeyet.net said:

> Hi All,
> 
> I am looking at this to see what I can get and the initial provider I 
> found sadly his page is saying sold out on all models granted 2 say sign 
> up.
> 
> My question though is how much storage space for code as well as the 
> built product is needed?

spare space beyond dependencies and OS that is NEEDED is about 1gb, but that's
a bare minimum (well ok 700m for an efl git tree plus build files, with some
extra space for the install). once you start using ccache and need space for
comfort, maybe 8gb? that's beyond the base os + dependencies. i don't know how
much osx uses and i might hazard a guess that dependencies beyond basic osx
might add up to 200-500m. so maybe 16gb and call it a day if osx isn't too
bloated...

> On 2018-07-25 06:54, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> > Hello.
> > 
> > On 25.07.2018 08:41, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> >> Seeing as there is quite a bit of interest in this tonight, which is 
> >> going to probably be the first evening relaxed at home with my wife 
> >> since we got back from the honeymoon, I will purchase the server. Can 
> >> someone open up some tickets on Phabricator with what you guys want me 
> >> to do and what the end goal is that way progress can be tracked by 
> >> those following the ticket.  If not I will open a ticket on my 
> >> helpdesk.
> >> 
> >> I’m also a bit concerned about accuracy of documentation. Is 
> >> everything up to date?
> > 
> > https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/distros/osx-start.md
> > https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-deps.sh
> > https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-build.sh
> > 
> > This is what I used when setting up the osx builds on Travis. Likely
> > there are more details to figure out.
> > 
> > regards
> > Stefan Schmidt
> > 
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-28 Thread jaquilina

Hi Carsten,

Thanks for the update. I am in search of another mac host provider. I 
know back in 2009 that osx was around 12gb installed then at some point 
they managed to get that down to 6gb for the os installed. My suspicion 
is that they moved alot of big apps like xcode out of the os and onto 
the app store.



On 2018-07-28 05:40, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 04:56:44 + jaquil...@eagleeyet.net said:


Hi All,

I am looking at this to see what I can get and the initial provider I
found sadly his page is saying sold out on all models granted 2 say 
sign

up.

My question though is how much storage space for code as well as the
built product is needed?


spare space beyond dependencies and OS that is NEEDED is about 1gb, but 
that's
a bare minimum (well ok 700m for an efl git tree plus build files, with 
some
extra space for the install). once you start using ccache and need 
space for
comfort, maybe 8gb? that's beyond the base os + dependencies. i don't 
know how
much osx uses and i might hazard a guess that dependencies beyond basic 
osx
might add up to 200-500m. so maybe 16gb and call it a day if osx isn't 
too

bloated...


On 2018-07-25 06:54, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello.
>
> On 25.07.2018 08:41, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>> Seeing as there is quite a bit of interest in this tonight, which is
>> going to probably be the first evening relaxed at home with my wife
>> since we got back from the honeymoon, I will purchase the server. Can
>> someone open up some tickets on Phabricator with what you guys want me
>> to do and what the end goal is that way progress can be tracked by
>> those following the ticket.  If not I will open a ticket on my
>> helpdesk.
>>
>> I’m also a bit concerned about accuracy of documentation. Is
>> everything up to date?
>
> https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/distros/osx-start.md
> https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-deps.sh
> https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-build.sh
>
> This is what I used when setting up the osx builds on Travis. Likely
> there are more details to figure out.
>
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
>
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-27 Thread jaquilina

Hi All,

I am looking at this to see what I can get and the initial provider I 
found sadly his page is saying sold out on all models granted 2 say sign 
up.


My question though is how much storage space for code as well as the 
built product is needed?


On 2018-07-25 06:54, Stefan Schmidt wrote:

Hello.

On 25.07.2018 08:41, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
Seeing as there is quite a bit of interest in this tonight, which is 
going to probably be the first evening relaxed at home with my wife 
since we got back from the honeymoon, I will purchase the server. Can 
someone open up some tickets on Phabricator with what you guys want me 
to do and what the end goal is that way progress can be tracked by 
those following the ticket.  If not I will open a ticket on my 
helpdesk.


I’m also a bit concerned about accuracy of documentation. Is 
everything up to date?


https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/distros/osx-start.md
https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-deps.sh
https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-build.sh

This is what I used when setting up the osx builds on Travis. Likely
there are more details to figure out.

regards
Stefan Schmidt

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-25 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello.

On 25.07.2018 08:41, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> Seeing as there is quite a bit of interest in this tonight, which is going to 
> probably be the first evening relaxed at home with my wife since we got back 
> from the honeymoon, I will purchase the server. Can someone open up some 
> tickets on Phabricator with what you guys want me to do and what the end goal 
> is that way progress can be tracked by those following the ticket.  If not I 
> will open a ticket on my helpdesk.
> 
> I’m also a bit concerned about accuracy of documentation. Is everything up to 
> date?

https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/distros/osx-start.md
https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-deps.sh
https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/tree/.ci/ci-osx-build.sh

This is what I used when setting up the osx builds on Travis. Likely
there are more details to figure out.

regards
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-25 Thread Xavi Artigas
Hi Jonathan,

Regarding accuracy of documentation... expect anything. I have found
infrastructure docs to vary in quality, and to be generally pretty
scattered.
Since you will be setting everything up from scratch, this is an EXCELLENT
opportunity to write down every step along the way and update any missing
doc. That would be enormous.
I can take care of that if you send me your notes, once you have everything
up and running.

Thanks!
Xavi

On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 at 08:41, Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:

> Seeing as there is quite a bit of interest in this tonight, which is going
> to probably be the first evening relaxed at home with my wife since we got
> back from the honeymoon, I will purchase the server. Can someone open up
> some tickets on Phabricator with what you guys want me to do and what the
> end goal is that way progress can be tracked by those following the
> ticket.  If not I will open a ticket on my helpdesk.
>
> I’m also a bit concerned about accuracy of documentation. Is everything up
> to date?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 25 Jul 2018, at 08:26, Stefan Schmidt 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> >> On 24.07.2018 16:01, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> >>
> >> Any series of builds which requires a macos on Travis is subject to
> delay
> >> until a macos builder can be provided, meaning we may end up having to
> wait
> >> an undetermined amount of time for each new build if a lot of macos
> >> builders are in use. If we could eliminate that builder from our build
> >> matrix, it would help us from this angle.
> >
> > Yes, the osx builds are a bottleneck. With both factors, delay until the
> > job starts and build time itself.
> >
> > We have not made real use of harbourmaster and drydock yet, which means
> > we will have to learn if that really is a good option for all this. We
> > will also see if the hosted mac server really gives the speed increase
> > in CI you hope for. Something to try out but with various unknowns and
> > risks attached.
> >
> > Jonathan wanted to set this up. I would say we wait until he has
> > somethign that can build efl over ssh and we can see how it would
> > integrate with phab once that is done.
> >
> > regards
> > Stefan Schmidt
> >
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-25 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Seeing as there is quite a bit of interest in this tonight, which is going to 
probably be the first evening relaxed at home with my wife since we got back 
from the honeymoon, I will purchase the server. Can someone open up some 
tickets on Phabricator with what you guys want me to do and what the end goal 
is that way progress can be tracked by those following the ticket.  If not I 
will open a ticket on my helpdesk.

I’m also a bit concerned about accuracy of documentation. Is everything up to 
date?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jul 2018, at 08:26, Stefan Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
>> On 24.07.2018 16:01, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
>> 
>> Any series of builds which requires a macos on Travis is subject to delay
>> until a macos builder can be provided, meaning we may end up having to wait
>> an undetermined amount of time for each new build if a lot of macos
>> builders are in use. If we could eliminate that builder from our build
>> matrix, it would help us from this angle.
> 
> Yes, the osx builds are a bottleneck. With both factors, delay until the
> job starts and build time itself.
> 
> We have not made real use of harbourmaster and drydock yet, which means
> we will have to learn if that really is a good option for all this. We
> will also see if the hosted mac server really gives the speed increase
> in CI you hope for. Something to try out but with various unknowns and
> risks attached.
> 
> Jonathan wanted to set this up. I would say we wait until he has
> somethign that can build efl over ssh and we can see how it would
> integrate with phab once that is done.
> 
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
> 
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-25 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello.

On 24.07.2018 16:01, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> 
> Any series of builds which requires a macos on Travis is subject to delay
> until a macos builder can be provided, meaning we may end up having to wait
> an undetermined amount of time for each new build if a lot of macos
> builders are in use. If we could eliminate that builder from our build
> matrix, it would help us from this angle.

Yes, the osx builds are a bottleneck. With both factors, delay until the
job starts and build time itself.

We have not made real use of harbourmaster and drydock yet, which means
we will have to learn if that really is a good option for all this. We
will also see if the hosted mac server really gives the speed increase
in CI you hope for. Something to try out but with various unknowns and
risks attached.

Jonathan wanted to set this up. I would say we wait until he has
somethign that can build efl over ssh and we can see how it would
integrate with phab once that is done.

regards
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-25 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello.

On 24.07.2018 22:18, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
> Leave setup and administration to me.
> 
> Is this a green light on this?

I never blocked it. From my side its fine if you want to do this.

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-25 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello.

On 24.07.2018 22:25, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
> I have no problem with setting it up with harbourmaster.
> 
> Do you have any documentation on how to set it up or how to interact
> with HM?

Marcel has been looking into this. He should be able to help.

Before we start anything like this though the system should be already
installed with all the efl dependencies and a buld of efl should work
over ssh. If you also want to use this server for debugging I would
argue that you need two different user for the CI and the debugging jobs.

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 20:03:32 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina 
said:

> Ssh is All that’s needed as far as I know. 

would need more than that for vnc... sure - set up ssh tunnels for vnc.. but it
still is a another service to support...

> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 24 Jul 2018, at 16:14, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:41:29 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
> >  said:
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 24.07.2018 11:19, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:28:05 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
> >>>  said:
> >>> 
>  Hello.
>  
> > On 23.07.2018 11:11, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:42:43 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
> >  said:
> > 
> >> Hello.
> >> 
> >>> On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
> >>> Hi Guys,
> >>> 
> >>> I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.
> >>> 
> >>> I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following
> >>> 
> >>> https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html
> >>> 
> >>> What do you guys think?
> >> 
> >> You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?
> >> 
> >> What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?
> >> 
> >> https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with an
> >> apple as logo)
> > 
> > run apps and debug them interactively? you'd need vnc or some remote
> > display/access setup ...but that. :) it'd require people to not fight
> > over the same display... i.e. one person at a time... :)
>  
>  If we have one osx system for CI builds and another one for debugging
>  problems on OSX I easily see how they could be very different in terms
>  of OSX versions, libraries, homebrew installs, etc.
> >>> 
> >>> that's massively better than only a CI system and no way to interactively
> >>> debug things like copy & paste (ask netstar - he has a mac box to do that
> >>> now). this isn't perfection, but it never will be. :) it's better than
> >>> nothing as right now the CI systems do not allow dbeugging like i
> >>> described. just builds. right?
> >> 
> >> Just builds. I don't expect a CI system to be a debugging system. To me
> >> these are two very different things to do. The TravisCI setup for OSX
> >> already proved itself very useful by finding build breaks on code
> >> committed into master.
> >> 
> >> You fancy a full blown OSX system with remote VNC access for manually
> >> compiling and debugging. That is fair and could be nice to have. Just
> >> nothing on my list to work on. If you and Jonathan want to work on
> >> setting this all up, just go ahead.
> > 
> > Indeed when eagleye mailed this, this was my first thought as it would need
> > nothing more than:
> > 
> > 1. some kind of vnc setup
> > 2. some kind of ssh access with accounts
> > 3. some kind of sudo-like access
> > 
> > then at least when things really need some work, people can  ssh in, use vnc
> > and develop/test without having to buy a mac themselves. it sure as hell
> > isn't as nice as a local machine, but ... it is a big step up from just
> > CI/test suites. :)
> > 
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread jaquilina

I have no problem with setting it up with harbourmaster.

Do you have any documentation on how to set it up or how to interact 
with HM?


On 2018-07-24 07:21, Stefan Schmidt wrote:

Hello.

On 23.07.2018 18:31, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:

Actually, if we were able to do Mac builds elsewhere then this would
greatly improve our CI build times. Mac builders on Travis are very 
highly
contested and so have even fewer resources available than Linux 
builders.
Even on my CI feature branch, Mac builds take 2x longer (10+ mins 
more)

than Linux builds.


The problem is that you can not simply hook up some external osx server
to Travis to speed it up. Its a completely different resource. The only
way I could see it used for CI would be through Phabricator's 
harbourmaster.


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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread jaquilina

Leave setup and administration to me.

Is this a green light on this?

On 2018-07-24 07:28, Stefan Schmidt wrote:

Hello.

On 23.07.2018 11:11, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:42:43 +0200 Stefan Schmidt 


said:


Hello.

On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:

Hi Guys,

I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.

I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following

https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html

What do you guys think?


You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?

What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?

https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with 
an

apple as logo)


run apps and debug them interactively? you'd need vnc or some remote
display/access setup ...but that. :) it'd require people to not fight 
over the

same display... i.e. one person at a time... :)


If we have one osx system for CI builds and another one for debugging
problems on OSX I easily see how they could be very different in terms
of OSX versions, libraries, homebrew installs, etc.

Anyway, I do not want to shoot this down. As long as someone else will
take care of it and handles things I just take it as a gift horse. :-)

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Ssh is All that’s needed as far as I know. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Jul 2018, at 16:14, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:41:29 +0200 Stefan Schmidt 
> said:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24.07.2018 11:19, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:28:05 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
>>>  said:
>>> 
 Hello.
 
> On 23.07.2018 11:11, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:42:43 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
>  said:
> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>>> On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> 
>>> I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.
>>> 
>>> I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following
>>> 
>>> https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html
>>> 
>>> What do you guys think?
>> 
>> You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?
>> 
>> What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?
>> 
>> https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with an
>> apple as logo)
> 
> run apps and debug them interactively? you'd need vnc or some remote
> display/access setup ...but that. :) it'd require people to not fight over
> the same display... i.e. one person at a time... :)
 
 If we have one osx system for CI builds and another one for debugging
 problems on OSX I easily see how they could be very different in terms
 of OSX versions, libraries, homebrew installs, etc.
>>> 
>>> that's massively better than only a CI system and no way to interactively
>>> debug things like copy & paste (ask netstar - he has a mac box to do that
>>> now). this isn't perfection, but it never will be. :) it's better than
>>> nothing as right now the CI systems do not allow dbeugging like i
>>> described. just builds. right?
>> 
>> Just builds. I don't expect a CI system to be a debugging system. To me
>> these are two very different things to do. The TravisCI setup for OSX
>> already proved itself very useful by finding build breaks on code
>> committed into master.
>> 
>> You fancy a full blown OSX system with remote VNC access for manually
>> compiling and debugging. That is fair and could be nice to have. Just
>> nothing on my list to work on. If you and Jonathan want to work on
>> setting this all up, just go ahead.
> 
> Indeed when eagleye mailed this, this was my first thought as it would need
> nothing more than:
> 
> 1. some kind of vnc setup
> 2. some kind of ssh access with accounts
> 3. some kind of sudo-like access
> 
> then at least when things really need some work, people can  ssh in, use vnc
> and develop/test without having to buy a mac themselves. it sure as hell isn't
> as nice as a local machine, but ... it is a big step up from just CI/test
> suites. :)
> 
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread jaquilina
I think an ideal place for me to help the project is on the mac side of 
things. I can only sponsor 1 server.


On 2018-07-24 14:01, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
Sure, it would have to go through harbormaster or similar and we would 
not

be mailing the server to Travis for them to use.

Any series of builds which requires a macos on Travis is subject to 
delay
until a macos builder can be provided, meaning we may end up having to 
wait

an undetermined amount of time for each new build if a lot of macos
builders are in use. If we could eliminate that builder from our build
matrix, it would help us from this angle.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 3:22 AM Stefan Schmidt 


wrote:


Hello.

On 23.07.2018 18:31, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> Actually, if we were able to do Mac builds elsewhere then this would
> greatly improve our CI build times. Mac builders on Travis are very
highly
> contested and so have even fewer resources available than Linux builders.
> Even on my CI feature branch, Mac builds take 2x longer (10+ mins more)
> than Linux builds.

The problem is that you can not simply hook up some external osx 
server
to Travis to speed it up. Its a completely different resource. The 
only

way I could see it used for CI would be through Phabricator's
harbourmaster.

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread Carsten Haitzler
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:41:29 +0200 Stefan Schmidt 
said:

> 
> 
> On 24.07.2018 11:19, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:28:05 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
> >  said:
> > 
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> On 23.07.2018 11:11, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:42:43 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
> >>>  said:
> >>>
>  Hello.
> 
>  On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.
> >
> > I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following
> >
> > https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> 
>  You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?
> 
>  What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?
> 
>  https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with an
>  apple as logo)
> >>>
> >>> run apps and debug them interactively? you'd need vnc or some remote
> >>> display/access setup ...but that. :) it'd require people to not fight over
> >>> the same display... i.e. one person at a time... :)
> >>
> >> If we have one osx system for CI builds and another one for debugging
> >> problems on OSX I easily see how they could be very different in terms
> >> of OSX versions, libraries, homebrew installs, etc.
> > 
> > that's massively better than only a CI system and no way to interactively
> > debug things like copy & paste (ask netstar - he has a mac box to do that
> > now). this isn't perfection, but it never will be. :) it's better than
> > nothing as right now the CI systems do not allow dbeugging like i
> > described. just builds. right?
> 
> Just builds. I don't expect a CI system to be a debugging system. To me
> these are two very different things to do. The TravisCI setup for OSX
> already proved itself very useful by finding build breaks on code
> committed into master.
> 
> You fancy a full blown OSX system with remote VNC access for manually
> compiling and debugging. That is fair and could be nice to have. Just
> nothing on my list to work on. If you and Jonathan want to work on
> setting this all up, just go ahead.

Indeed when eagleye mailed this, this was my first thought as it would need
nothing more than:

1. some kind of vnc setup
2. some kind of ssh access with accounts
3. some kind of sudo-like access

then at least when things really need some work, people can  ssh in, use vnc
and develop/test without having to buy a mac themselves. it sure as hell isn't
as nice as a local machine, but ... it is a big step up from just CI/test
suites. :)

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
Sure, it would have to go through harbormaster or similar and we would not
be mailing the server to Travis for them to use.

Any series of builds which requires a macos on Travis is subject to delay
until a macos builder can be provided, meaning we may end up having to wait
an undetermined amount of time for each new build if a lot of macos
builders are in use. If we could eliminate that builder from our build
matrix, it would help us from this angle.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 3:22 AM Stefan Schmidt 
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> On 23.07.2018 18:31, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > Actually, if we were able to do Mac builds elsewhere then this would
> > greatly improve our CI build times. Mac builders on Travis are very
> highly
> > contested and so have even fewer resources available than Linux builders.
> > Even on my CI feature branch, Mac builds take 2x longer (10+ mins more)
> > than Linux builds.
>
> The problem is that you can not simply hook up some external osx server
> to Travis to speed it up. Its a completely different resource. The only
> way I could see it used for CI would be through Phabricator's
> harbourmaster.
>
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
>
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread Stefan Schmidt



On 24.07.2018 11:19, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:28:05 +0200 Stefan Schmidt 
> said:
> 
>> Hello.
>>
>> On 23.07.2018 11:11, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:42:43 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
>>>  said:
>>>
 Hello.

 On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.
>
> I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following
>
> https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html
>
> What do you guys think?

 You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?

 What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?

 https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with an
 apple as logo)
>>>
>>> run apps and debug them interactively? you'd need vnc or some remote
>>> display/access setup ...but that. :) it'd require people to not fight over
>>> the same display... i.e. one person at a time... :)
>>
>> If we have one osx system for CI builds and another one for debugging
>> problems on OSX I easily see how they could be very different in terms
>> of OSX versions, libraries, homebrew installs, etc.
> 
> that's massively better than only a CI system and no way to interactively 
> debug
> things like copy & paste (ask netstar - he has a mac box to do that now). this
> isn't perfection, but it never will be. :) it's better than nothing as right
> now the CI systems do not allow dbeugging like i described. just builds. 
> right?

Just builds. I don't expect a CI system to be a debugging system. To me
these are two very different things to do. The TravisCI setup for OSX
already proved itself very useful by finding build breaks on code
committed into master.

You fancy a full blown OSX system with remote VNC access for manually
compiling and debugging. That is fair and could be nice to have. Just
nothing on my list to work on. If you and Jonathan want to work on
setting this all up, just go ahead.

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread Carsten Haitzler
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:28:05 +0200 Stefan Schmidt 
said:

> Hello.
> 
> On 23.07.2018 11:11, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:42:43 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
> >  said:
> > 
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
> >>> Hi Guys,
> >>>
> >>> I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.
> >>>
> >>> I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following
> >>>
> >>> https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html
> >>>
> >>> What do you guys think?
> >>
> >> You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?
> >>
> >> What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?
> >>
> >> https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with an
> >> apple as logo)
> > 
> > run apps and debug them interactively? you'd need vnc or some remote
> > display/access setup ...but that. :) it'd require people to not fight over
> > the same display... i.e. one person at a time... :)
> 
> If we have one osx system for CI builds and another one for debugging
> problems on OSX I easily see how they could be very different in terms
> of OSX versions, libraries, homebrew installs, etc.

that's massively better than only a CI system and no way to interactively debug
things like copy & paste (ask netstar - he has a mac box to do that now). this
isn't perfection, but it never will be. :) it's better than nothing as right
now the CI systems do not allow dbeugging like i described. just builds. right?

> Anyway, I do not want to shoot this down. As long as someone else will
> take care of it and handles things I just take it as a gift horse. :-)
> 
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello.

On 23.07.2018 11:11, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:42:43 +0200 Stefan Schmidt 
> said:
> 
>> Hello.
>>
>> On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.
>>>
>>> I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following
>>>
>>> https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html
>>>
>>> What do you guys think?
>>
>> You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?
>>
>> What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?
>>
>> https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with an
>> apple as logo)
> 
> run apps and debug them interactively? you'd need vnc or some remote
> display/access setup ...but that. :) it'd require people to not fight over the
> same display... i.e. one person at a time... :)

If we have one osx system for CI builds and another one for debugging
problems on OSX I easily see how they could be very different in terms
of OSX versions, libraries, homebrew installs, etc.

Anyway, I do not want to shoot this down. As long as someone else will
take care of it and handles things I just take it as a gift horse. :-)

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-24 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello.

On 23.07.2018 18:31, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> Actually, if we were able to do Mac builds elsewhere then this would
> greatly improve our CI build times. Mac builders on Travis are very highly
> contested and so have even fewer resources available than Linux builders.
> Even on my CI feature branch, Mac builds take 2x longer (10+ mins more)
> than Linux builds.

The problem is that you can not simply hook up some external osx server
to Travis to speed it up. Its a completely different resource. The only
way I could see it used for CI would be through Phabricator's harbourmaster.

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-23 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
Actually, if we were able to do Mac builds elsewhere then this would
greatly improve our CI build times. Mac builders on Travis are very highly
contested and so have even fewer resources available than Linux builders.
Even on my CI feature branch, Mac builds take 2x longer (10+ mins more)
than Linux builds.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:43 AM Stefan Schmidt 
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.
> >
> > I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following
> >
> > https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html
> >
> > What do you guys think?
>
> You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?
>
> What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?
>
> https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with an
> apple as logo)
>
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
>
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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:42:43 +0200 Stefan Schmidt 
said:

> Hello.
> 
> On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> > 
> > I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.
> > 
> > I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following
> > 
> > https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html
> > 
> > What do you guys think?
> 
> You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?
> 
> What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?
> 
> https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with an
> apple as logo)

run apps and debug them interactively? you'd need vnc or some remote
display/access setup ...but that. :) it'd require people to not fight over the
same display... i.e. one person at a time... :)

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Re: [E-devel] Mac server sponsorship

2018-07-23 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello.

On 23.07.2018 06:59, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I am willing to work on getting a CI setup on a mac machine going.
> 
> I am willing to sponsor a server. I happened to find the following
> 
> https://www.hostmyapple.com/macdedicated.html
> 
> What do you guys think?

You know that we already have CI testing on OSX via TravisCI?

What would this do better than the current CI setup we have?

https://travis-ci.org/Enlightenment/efl (look at the build job with an
apple as logo)

regards
Stefan Schmidt

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