Re: [Evolution] Losing folder defaults
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 09:38 am, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > On Tue, 2003-01-21 at 07:59, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > On Saturday 18 January 2003 01:25 am, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 20:52, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 17:26, Christine McLellan wrote: > > > > > Martin - > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by losing folder defaults? Do you mean which > > > > > folders are set as default mailbox, calendar, contacts, etc? > > > > > Or something about each Exchange folder that you are viewing > > > > > with Evo such as the email columns, sort order, threading? > > > > > And are these actual folders or vFolders? Have you submitted > > > > > a bug on this at > > > > > http://bugzilla.ximian.com? > > > > > > > > Christine, > > > > > > > > I am not Martin, but I am experiencing the latter, mostly with > > > > my "Threaded view" setting. And no, I have not submitted a bug > > > > > > this is mostly an FYI that may shine some light on some things. > > > > > > the "Threaded view" setting is not global, it is per-folder. > > > > > > opening a folder you've never opened before will use the global > > > setting (which is in the config.xmldb). I think it defaults to > > > off. There's actually no way to set this via the UI that I can > > > recall, but there used to be. > > > > Jeffrey, > > > > I have two copies of this, > > ~/evolution/config.xmldb & > > ~/evolution/private/config.xmldb > > > > Which one should I be editing to change the global defaults? > > the first one. the second one just holds your passwords. Found and edited. Thanks. I hope this solves the problem so that "who cares what caused it." > > > > also, make sure you are running bonobo-conf 0.16, as that is the > > > only version of bonobo-conf that will reliably save config > > > settings when the system has write errors. > > > > What is the best way to test my version? > > rpm -qa | grep bonobo-conf I have libbonobo-conf0-0.16-1.ximian.1 bonobo-conf-0.16-1.ximian.1 so I guess that's not the reason for my problem. > > > not sure any of these FYI's light up any lightbulbs as to why you > > > may be having problems. > > > > > > now... assuming that doesn't solve it for ya, then the only other > > > explanation is that evolution-mail is not shutting down cleanly > > > and is thus not ever getting to the point where it flushes the > > > settings to disk. if you control-c or killev, this is likely the > > > problem. > > > > That happens sometimes as there are times when the "Evolution is > > closing..." box does not go away (for hours). Other times, I may > > exit the window manager without exiting Evolution first. BUT, this > > seems to happen even with a proper shutdown. > > *shrug* Well, hopefully, by my manually editing ~/evolution/config.xmldb, I have solved the problem so that the cause of the problem is rendered irrelevant. Thanks again. Art > > Jeff -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Shell commands in mail filters
Art Alexion: > > (I'm using evo 1.2.0) > > > > use the filter "pipe through shell command" instead. Thanks -- just put brain into gear. I was wanting to 'pipe through shell command' as an action rather than a criterion -- but it looks like I can get away with using it as a criterion. If all criteria are to be met it looks like evo keeps evaluating the criteria until it finds a test which fails and then doesn't bother evaluating the rest. I'm in the situation that I want the message to be piped through a certain shell command whenever some other criteria are met, so I just have to place my shell command >after< the other criteria. Thanks Art for pointing me in the right direction, much appreciated. John ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Re: Filtering out duplicate messages
On Monday 20 January 2003 03:52 pm, guenther wrote: > cheers(); > > > Interestingly, it appears that you have "Replied to All", as I've > > received two copies and the message was addressed to me. > > Yes, I did Reply to All like I always do on this list. > > > Although, as I review this email, which I have created using "Reply > > to list" as you've instructed, I can see that it is addressed to > > Guenther with a CC to the evolution list. > > Actually, as I did receive your last mail in my INBOX (not the list) > I checked it -- and strangely it didn't work. I must have used the > wrong folder, seems I didn't had enough coffee... > > Reply to List surely can't work on the copy, that gets directly > delivered without the list-server software. > > > Is this what you had expected? > > Nope. I just did a Reply to List on your last mail -- and it works. > :) > As an aside, I just did a "reply to list" in kmail and it worked fine. Here's why. Evolution's "reply to list works" fine, too. But the way this list's server is configured and the way people "reply to all" instead causes problems for Evolution. In Evolution, when you "reply to list", the program looks for an "X-mail-list:" header. If the copy of the message you are replying to was sent through the list, the header is found and Evolution addresses the reply accordingly. However, if the message you are replying to is a copy sent directly to you, and not through the list, there is no "X-mail-list:" header for Evolution to follow. In that circumstance, Evolution reverts to "reply to all". Kmail works the same way, with one difference. In kmail, folders can be designated as holding a list, including the list address. If "reply to list" is selected and there is no header to get the list address from, kmail reverts to getting the list address from the folder setting. This works really well. I am really learning to love both MUAs. They each have their own individual strengths. I wish each would incorporate the benefits of the other. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Shell commands in mail filters
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 04:26 am, John N S Gill wrote: > I've been trying to use the 'Shell command' action to help with spam > filtering using bogofilter/evolution. > > The problem I'm running into is that all that seems to happen when I > specify a shell command as an action is that the command gets run. > > I guess the behaviour is not unreasonable, it does exactly what it > says. > > However, I was hoping that there would be away to pipe the message > being filtered into the shell command. Am I missing something? > > (I'm using evo 1.2.0) > use the filter "pipe through shell command" instead. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Losing folder defaults
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 07:59 am, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > On Saturday 18 January 2003 01:25 am, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > this is mostly an FYI that may shine some light on some things. > > > > the "Threaded view" setting is not global, it is per-folder. > > > > opening a folder you've never opened before will use the global > > setting (which is in the config.xmldb). I think it defaults to off. > > There's actually no way to set this via the UI that I can recall, > > but there used to be. > > Jeffrey, > > I have two copies of this, > ~/evolution/config.xmldb & > ~/evolution/private/config.xmldb > > Which one should I be editing to change the global defaults? Opened both and saw it was the first one that holds the defaults that I was looking for. Made the changes. Thanks. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Losing folder defaults
On Saturday 18 January 2003 01:25 am, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 20:52, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 17:26, Christine McLellan wrote: > > > Martin - > > > > > > What do you mean by losing folder defaults? Do you mean which > > > folders are set as default mailbox, calendar, contacts, etc? Or > > > something about each Exchange folder that you are viewing with > > > Evo such as the email columns, sort order, threading? And are > > > these actual folders or vFolders? Have you submitted a bug on > > > this at > > > http://bugzilla.ximian.com? > > > > Christine, > > > > I am not Martin, but I am experiencing the latter, mostly with my > > "Threaded view" setting. And no, I have not submitted a bug > > this is mostly an FYI that may shine some light on some things. > > the "Threaded view" setting is not global, it is per-folder. > > opening a folder you've never opened before will use the global > setting (which is in the config.xmldb). I think it defaults to off. > There's actually no way to set this via the UI that I can recall, but > there used to be. Jeffrey, I have two copies of this, ~/evolution/config.xmldb & ~/evolution/private/config.xmldb Which one should I be editing to change the global defaults? > > also, make sure you are running bonobo-conf 0.16, as that is the only > version of bonobo-conf that will reliably save config settings when > the system has write errors. What is the best way to test my version? > > as another aside, if you are out of disk space - settings may not > necessarily be saved, depending on whether or not bonobo-conf-0.16 is > able to save a tenporary copy (in the ~/evolution/ directory, not > /tmp). Disk space not an issue. > > not sure any of these FYI's light up any lightbulbs as to why you may > be having problems. > > now... assuming that doesn't solve it for ya, then the only other > explanation is that evolution-mail is not shutting down cleanly and > is thus not ever getting to the point where it flushes the settings > to disk. if you control-c or killev, this is likely the problem. That happens sometimes as there are times when the "Evolution is closing..." box does not go away (for hours). Other times, I may exit the window manager without exiting Evolution first. BUT, this seems to happen even with a proper shutdown. > > Jeff Thanks, Art -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Shell commands in mail filters
I've been trying to use the 'Shell command' action to help with spam filtering using bogofilter/evolution. The problem I'm running into is that all that seems to happen when I specify a shell command as an action is that the command gets run. I guess the behaviour is not unreasonable, it does exactly what it says. However, I was hoping that there would be away to pipe the message being filtered into the shell command. Am I missing something? (I'm using evo 1.2.0) John Gill == > > /usr/bin/bogofilter -S> > (tells bogofilter to identify e-mail as spam) > > I accomplish #2 by marking the e-mail as "Important" which I actually > use as a spam id in the filters. The appropriate shell command is then > executed, but it doesn't look like bogofilter got it :( It does work > manually from the command line, so I think bogofilter itself is fine. The problem is that we do not pass command-line arguments (it is non-trivial to parse command-line options). Instead, write a wrapper script and have Evolution run that. ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Vanished folders?
That was what had happened. I copied some xml metadata to the directories of the folders that had vanished, and voila! There they were again when I restarted Evolution. On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 09:23, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 00:20, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > > I conducted a radical restructuring of my filesystem today, which > > included tarring up everything in my home directory, moving it all to a > > new directory, and untarring it there. My old home directory is now a > > symbolic link to my new directory. > > > > Now when I launch Evolution, several of the folders I set up for > > incoming mail are missing. My filters still say that they're there, and > > when I delve into my ~/evolution/local directories, I can see > > subdirectories for the folders. > > > > How can I bring my folders back? > > Is it possible that some of the folder-metadata.xml files are not > readable anymore? -- -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evolution Crashes When I Try to Attach a Document
Oh. Ick. Is there something that can be done in the meantime, short of using my Yahoo account or another client to send attachments? On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 10:03, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > This has been tracked down to a bug in RedHat 8.0's gcc I believe. Some > optimisation or another that it does at -O2 is breaking gnome-vfs's MIME > sniffing code and causing it to crash. > > Afaik, someone has a patch that reorders the arguments to an > if-statement that somehow tricks gcc's code generator into doing the > Right Thing (tm). > > So hopefully Ximian (and/or Red Hat) will be shipping a new gnome-vfs > soon with the patch. > > Jeff > > On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 12:11, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > > When I try attaching a document to an e-mail, the e-mail component of > > Evolution crashes. I've launched Evolution from the command line to see > > if any error messages show up, but none do; nor can I find anything in > > my system log. > > > > Help would be greatly appreciated! > > > > I'm running Evolution 1.2.1 on Red Hat 8.0 -- -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Evolution Crashes When I Try to Attach a Document
When I try attaching a document to an e-mail, the e-mail component of Evolution crashes. I've launched Evolution from the command line to see if any error messages show up, but none do; nor can I find anything in my system log. Help would be greatly appreciated! I'm running Evolution 1.2.1 on Red Hat 8.0 -- -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
RE: [Evolution] Losing folder defaults
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 16:16, Marlin Borsick wrote: > Is this just an Exchange-related issue? Or are you finding the same > behavior with the local folder settings? Trying to pin this down... Just with local folders. Not using an exchange server. > > -Original Message- > From: Arthur S. Alexion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:58 > To: Evolution List > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Losing folder defaults > > > On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 05:37, Marlin Borsick wrote: > > I am losing the folder defaults every so often. I am using Evolution > > 1.2.1 client and the Exchange connector. The connector itself seems > > fine as once the default folders are set, I can get what I need off > > the Exchange server. > > > > However, the behavior of having to reset the folder defaults has gone > > from a once every two weeks thing to nearly every other day now. Has > > anyone seen this behavior and been able to resolve it? > > > > I won't say there it might be the reason, but most of the time I have > > the Outlook client open on my Windows workstation. However the last > > several times, the only email client open was the Evolution client. So > > > it appears that there is no consistency in this behavior. > > Seems quite a few of us are having the same problem. I get it with the > threading setting, some get it with the "hide messages marked for > deletion". -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Losing folder defaults
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 17:26, Christine McLellan wrote: > Martin - > > What do you mean by losing folder defaults? Do you mean which folders > are set as default mailbox, calendar, contacts, etc? Or something > about each Exchange folder that you are viewing with Evo such as the > email columns, sort order, threading? And are these actual folders or > vFolders? Have you submitted a bug on this at > http://bugzilla.ximian.com? Christine, I am not Martin, but I am experiencing the latter, mostly with my "Threaded view" setting. And no, I have not submitted a bug > > Thanks, > -Christine > > > On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 05:37, Marlin Borsick wrote: > > I am losing the folder defaults every so often. I am using Evolution > > 1.2.1 client and the Exchange connector. The connector itself seems fine > > as once the default folders are set, I can get what I need off the > > Exchange server. > > > > However, the behavior of having to reset the folder defaults has gone > > from a once every two weeks thing to nearly every other day now. Has > > anyone seen this behavior and been able to resolve it? > > > > I won't say there it might be the reason, but most of the time I have > > the Outlook client open on my Windows workstation. However the last > > several times, the only email client open was the Evolution client. So > > it appears that there is no consistency in this behavior. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Marlin L. Borsick President > > Coastalan, Inc. > > > > phone: +1 (330) 948-1740 > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > web: http://www.coastalan.net > > ____ > > > > ___ > > evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Selective quoting
I like the kmail (and -- surprise -- AOL) feature where you can select text in a message before replying, and only the selected text is quoted. Very nice for limiting quotes to relevant stuff. The kmail default, if no text is selected, is to quote all. The AOL default is nothing quoted. I like the kmail default better. Any chance this behavior can be integrated into Evolution? -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Spam Filter -- I need volunteers
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 06:07, Ian Watkinson wrote: > > This is through fetchmail? or piping to spamc in the filter? piping to spamc in the filter > > If so, care to elaborate for a newbie on exactly how this is done. > > Install spammc > > Configure. > > Set up filter x y z in Evo. > > Thanks in advance. I thought I already did this for you, but here goes: First make sure the spamassassin daemon is running. Called spamd. Next create a filter in Evo. (Filters in the Tools menu is where you do it) My filter is In the first dropdown, select Pipe Message to Shell Command In the text box to its right type: /usr/bin/spamc -c After returns type: 1 Then in the actions area of the filter set up dialog Select Move to Folder from the dropdown You can send it to any folder. I choose "Spam" in Local folders. That's it. I hope it is clearer this time. Read two manpages spamassassin and Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf. Edit and use ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Losing folder defaults
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 05:37, Marlin Borsick wrote: > I am losing the folder defaults every so often. I am using Evolution > 1.2.1 client and the Exchange connector. The connector itself seems fine > as once the default folders are set, I can get what I need off the > Exchange server. > > However, the behavior of having to reset the folder defaults has gone > from a once every two weeks thing to nearly every other day now. Has > anyone seen this behavior and been able to resolve it? > > I won't say there it might be the reason, but most of the time I have > the Outlook client open on my Windows workstation. However the last > several times, the only email client open was the Evolution client. So > it appears that there is no consistency in this behavior. Seems quite a few of us are having the same problem. I get it with the threading setting, some get it with the "hide messages marked for deletion". -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Vanished folders?
I conducted a radical restructuring of my filesystem today, which included tarring up everything in my home directory, moving it all to a new directory, and untarring it there. My old home directory is now a symbolic link to my new directory. Now when I launch Evolution, several of the folders I set up for incoming mail are missing. My filters still say that they're there, and when I delve into my ~/evolution/local directories, I can see subdirectories for the folders. How can I bring my folders back? -- -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Spam Filter -- I need volunteers
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 14:07, Marco Tabini wrote: > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 13:46, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > > [no cc:s please, I read the list] > > Fair enough. Sorry about that. I am really happy that I learned how to create a "Reply to List" toolbar button by following this list. > > > And exactly what happens if *you* happen to disagree with spamassassin? > > > > I tweak the rules. It's occasionally necessary, but by now bogofilter > > works very well so I give it more and more weight. I'd say there's <1% > > false negatives and <.1% false positives (and those are mostly from > > discussions about spam, sometimes containing parts of actual spam > > messages - so I can understand that the system gets confused). > > My point is, wouldn't it be better if the system were able to learn to > tweak its own rules, particularly if you could train it to do so > directly from within Evo, rather than by having to change the rules > manually? I'm not interested in creating "the Spamassassin killer" > (pardon the pun)--I'd rather learn from it--but perhaps there is a more > convenient solution. I think you are really onto something with this convenience thing, but not sure I understand why you aren't sharing the source, especially since -- from my understanding -- it is an add it to an open source MUA. Seems a bit incongruous. Besides the knowledgeable users who could help contribute useful suggestions, there are a number of development team members on the list who could provide help with Evolution's hooks and APIs. Its your perogative, though. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Spam Filter -- I need volunteers
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 14:10, Ian Watkinson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 17:22, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 17:20, Marco Tabini wrote: > snip > > For those who can easily install software on the computer receiving > > their mail: use procmail and spamassassin and bogofilter (both are free > > Software). > > > > My setup: > > > > - mail comes in > > - mail goes through bogofilter > > - mail goes through spamassassin > > a spamassassin rule gives a score if bogofilter said it's spam. > > - mail goes through bogofilter in learning mode > > trains bogofilter according to the opinion of spamassassin > > - mail goes through procmail filtering, sorting mail into folders. > > > > spamassassin 2.5 will make bogofilter obsolete, I hope. > > > > cheers > > -- vbi > > > Any pointers on how you setup Evo to look at your mail folders, or more > specifically, how I can go from "default" to this setup? Best if you let it check incoming mail *as it is coming into the inbox*. First make sure the spamassassin daemon is running. Called spamc. Next create a filter in Evo. Mine is Pipe Message to Shell Command | /usr/bin/spamc -c | returns | 1 Then Move to Folder | "Spam" in Local folders That's it. Read two manpages spamassassin and Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf. Edit and use ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs. > > Thanks in advance. No problem -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Spam Filter -- I need volunteers
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 14:07, Marco Tabini wrote: > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 13:46, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > > [no cc:s please, I read the list] > > Fair enough. Sorry about that. I am really happy that I learned how to create a "Reply to List" toolbar button by following this list. > > > And exactly what happens if *you* happen to disagree with spamassassin? > > > > I tweak the rules. It's occasionally necessary, but by now bogofilter > > works very well so I give it more and more weight. I'd say there's <1% > > false negatives and <.1% false positives (and those are mostly from > > discussions about spam, sometimes containing parts of actual spam > > messages - so I can understand that the system gets confused). > > My point is, wouldn't it be better if the system were able to learn to > tweak its own rules, particularly if you could train it to do so > directly from within Evo, rather than by having to change the rules > manually? I'm not interested in creating "the Spamassassin killer" > (pardon the pun)--I'd rather learn from it--but perhaps there is a more > convenient solution. I think you are really onto something with this convenience thing, but not sure I understand why you aren't sharing the source, especially since -- from my understanding -- it is an add it to an open source MUA. Seems a bit incongruous. Besides the knowledgeable users who could help contribute useful suggestions, there are a number of development team members on the list who could provide help with Evolution's hooks and APIs. Its your perogative, though. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Spam Filter -- I need volunteers
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 12:44, Marco Tabini wrote: > And exactly what happens if *you* happen to disagree with spamassassin? > You make fine adjustments using either the global configuration file or the individual user_prefs file. In addition to adjusting the weighting of the scoring, it also supports brute force blacklists and whitelists. There is a feature for auto-white and auto-blacklisting based on your deletions (though I don't use it). For the first month, I kept the user_prefs file open in an editor on the same desktop, and fine tuned the lists. It seems to be batting a combined 95%, with only about 2% false positives (easy to whitelist), and 5% false negatives. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Long lines and line wrap; revisited
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 11:05, Dave Finnegan wrote: > I've determined the problem with evolution failing properly line wrap > received emails. > > If the email has a long line with no white space (e.g. a long URL > embedded in the message) and the message has long lines of text within > it then the viewer wraps the lines at the length of the longest "word" > (the long URL) rather than wrapping at the width of the viewer display > window. > > What I'd like to see is the viewer to wrap lines at the width of the > viewer window and simply cut long words at the specified character > count. > > Is this possible? > > >http://server:80/this/is/a/sample/long/line/that/will/not/wrap/correctly/in/the/email/viewing/window/due/to/this/long/line/with/no/white/space/upon/which/to/perform/line/breaks Not me. I don't want long URLs truncated. I like the example message just the way it is. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] evolution and spamassassin
My shell command (which seems to work fine) is "/usr/bin/spamc -c" Then if it returns = 1. then move to spam folder. In order for this to work the daemon, spamd must be running. I don't think the default spamassassin install loads the daemon. Without the daemon, you can run "spamassassin -e" instead of "spamc -c", but the daemon method is supposed to run faster (depending on the speed of your machine, you will notice a slow down in mail retrievals while spamassassin processes the mail.) On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 10:50, Dave Finnegan wrote: > Install spamassassin. > > Create a filter with: > > pipe message to shell command > > command is: "/usr/bin/spamc -c > /tmp/spamc.out" > > returns greater than '0' > > Then setup to move to "Spam" folder, or whatever. > > Dave > > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 18:58, Manolo wrote: > > How can check mails with spamassassing when evolution donwload its? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > ___ > > Yahoo! Móviles > > Personaliza tu móvil con tu logo y melodía favorito > > en http://moviles.yahoo.es > > > > > > ___ > > evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Is virus protection required?
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 17:47, Bill Hartwell wrote: > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 08:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >I go through every so often and run RAV on my system > > > > Is this a default package with most installations? > > Nope. RAV is available from GeCAD The Software Company, at > http://www.ravantivirus.com - it's not free, but I'm not sure what > anti-virus programs for Linux are. Maybe I'm not looking in the right > places, but I haven't found any free ones yet. My understanding is that anti-virus programs that run under Linux are meant to scan for MS-threatening viruses in mail which may eventually be intended for delivery to a windows machine. I know of no anti-virus programs per se available to detect and correct Linux targeted viruses -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Threading
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 22:42, Eric Lambart wrote: > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 12:51, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > > That's my understanding, too. Am I the only one who finds that > > Evolution has amnesia when it comes to threading preferences (but > > remembers sorting, column, and some other preferences)? > > > > For the record, I am using RH 7.2/kernel 2.4-21/running under > > Windowmaker, if it matters. > > I doubt you are the only one. I almost never shut off my computer, and > really only shut down Evolution when it crashes (sometimes once a week, > sometimes 3x in a day). But anytime I run a 'killev' and restart > Evolution, it has forgotten either my threading preferences (doesn't > happen t often), my "Hide Read Messages" settings (pretty much every > time), or _something_. First, its funny that you lose the "Hide Read Messages" settings, because that setting seems to "stick". I seem to always lose the Threading preference. > Obviously killing Evolution is a rather 'rude' way to close the program > (well, it freezing while talking to my IMAP server is rude, too!), so I > don't expect everything to be perfect when I restart. I've had very few crashes of Evolution while it is running. (My ISP does not support IMAP.) My problem is that it rarely finishes shutting down. The little "Evolution is exiting" box usually lasts forever (the only times it doesn't is when an evolution component crashes, and I have to restart). During a "normal" shutdown, I have to "killev". Otherwise, while the "Evolution is exiting" box remains up, I can't restart. Seems I lose the settings no matter which way I exit. > > Hmmm... just my 2c. I've got RH 7.1, kernel 2.4.18, with Sawfish, > though I can't imagine the window manager could have anything to do with > it. > > Eric -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Why Two Copies With List Replies?
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 14:39, Alessio Bragadini wrote: > On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 12:36:07PM -0500, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > > Pardon my ignorance, but is the gist of this thread that I can add a > > Reply to list toolbar button, with a stock icon and accelerator, just by > > editing my /usr/share/gnome/ui/evolution-mail-message.xml > > That's true. I've just done it (not yet the icon part) and it works. Fantastic! Who said you can't configure Evolution's toolbar? Not only is my button there and working, but the stock icon works fine and the accelerator key (Control*L) works too. Thanks to all who contributed this information. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Threading
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 06:36, Enver ALTIN wrote: > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 00:14, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > I've noticed this thread break comes from Outlook and AOL users, and > > Lyris list server software also refuses to thread. I really like > > threading, so I pay attention to what screws it up. Surprisingly, yahoo > > hosted lists seem to thread very well regardless of the MUA. > > The problem of the software you mention has nothing to do with > Evolution, and personally I don't expect it to contain workarounds of > case-special *weird* solutions. It shouldn't fix others' bugs :) Enver, I never implied that this had anything to do with Evolution nor whether should provide a workaround to fix other's bugs (though the discussion over the option to go back to subject based threading would address this). I just shared my observation as to which MUAs and list servers were the culprits. > > > While on the topic, why doesn't my threaded preference stick in > > Evolution? It sticks in one of my vfolders, but none of the others. > > Evolution attempts to remember almost all of the preferences concerning > about the view on a per-folder basis, AFAIK. That's my understanding, too. Am I the only one who finds that Evolution has amnesia when it comes to threading preferences (but remembers sorting, column, and some other preferences)? For the record, I am using RH 7.2/kernel 2.4-21/running under Windowmaker, if it matters. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Threading
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 02:54, Alessio Bragadini wrote: > On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 09:40, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > > > I noticed that on mailing lists, threads are often broken. In some > > cases, it's just because evo does apparently not thread by Subject > > 1.2.X doesn't, 1.0.X did. > > > in other cases it's unusual headers. Some (Thread-Id, Thread-Topic) seem > > really weird > > They come - surprise - from Microsoft applications. I've noticed this thread break comes from Outlook and AOL users, and Lyris list server software also refuses to thread. I really like threading, so I pay attention to what screws it up. Surprisingly, yahoo hosted lists seem to thread very well regardless of the MUA. While on the topic, why doesn't my threaded preference stick in Evolution? It sticks in one of my vfolders, but none of the others. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Why Two Copies With List Replies?
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 11:49, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 10:42, Alessio Bragadini wrote: > > It would be ok for me to re-use the 'Reply to All' icon (if I had to > > judge on the icon alone, even differentiating between Reply and Reply to > > All would take a couple of seconds). > > > > But from the shown patch it seems that the association between an action > > and its icon is listed in the C source file, rather than in a > > configuration file. Am I wrong? > > No. :-) > > Sorry for not being clear, with "stock icons" I meant "GNOME stock > icons". In that case you can just use the name of the icon in the XML > file, eg.: > > pixtype="stock" pixname="Close" accel="*Control*w"/> > > (For the list of stock icon names, I think you have to browse > /usr/include/gnome-1.0/libgnomeui/gnome-stock.h) Pardon my ignorance, but is the gist of this thread that I can add a Reply to list toolbar button, with a stock icon and accelerator, just by editing my /usr/share/gnome/ui/evolution-mail-message.xml and adding something like ? -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Why Two Copies With List Replies?
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 01:12, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 20:03, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > No, the problem is that you are using Reply-to-List on the message that > > was Cc'd to you and didn't pass through the mailing-list software and > > thus does NOT have the mailing-list headers that Evolution checks for. > > > > If you Reply-to-List on a message and Evolution can't figure out what > > list it was to, it reverts to Reply-to-All instead. > > Maybe we should gray the menu item out instead? Unless the user is showing all headers, graying out may be the only way to tell which was the list copy and which was the personal copy. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Why Two Copies With List Replies?
That makes perfectly good sense. Evolution is not broken in this
regard. Now is there any chance of fixing the list software so that it
defaults to "Reply to List" and we don't have the twin problems of
sometimes forgetting and only replying to sender, and others who don't
feel like digging into menus hitting "Reply to All" instead. The first
behavior defeats the sharing purpose of the list, and the second is
inefficient, wasteful, and annoying.
Thanks for the explanation, Jeffrey.
Art
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 20:03, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> No, the problem is that you are using Reply-to-List on the message that
> was Cc'd to you and didn't pass through the mailing-list software and
> thus does NOT have the mailing-list headers that Evolution checks for.
>
> If you Reply-to-List on a message and Evolution can't figure out what
> list it was to, it reverts to Reply-to-All instead.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 18:12, Arthur S. Alexion wrote:
> > 1.2.1, also, and this is a "Reply to list", too. I think I have it
> > narrowed down. If the original message was addressed to the list only,
> > then "Reply to List" works. But if the 'original' message was a "Reply
> > to All" with the sender in the "To" field, and the list in the "cc"
> > field, then, even a "Reply to list" results in both the sender and the
> > list as addressees.
> >
> > On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 16:17, Brett Johnson wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 13:23, Arthur S. Alexion wrote:
> > >
> > > > Coincidentally, with this list being among the few that do not default
> > > > replies to the list, it is ironic that the MUA which is its subject
> > > > treats its "Reply to List" feature as "Reply to All". There should be a
> > > > difference.
> > >
> > > Eh? This message is a result of "Reply to List", and it contains only a
> > > single "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" header. "Reply to All" results in two
> > > headers ("To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and "Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"). Looks
> > > like a significant difference to me. FWIW, I'm running evo 1.2.1 on a
> > > debain testing-ish system. Are you running an older version?
> > >
> > > Cheers!
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Re: [Evolution] Why Two Copies With List Replies?
1.2.1, also, and this is a "Reply to list", too. I think I have it
narrowed down. If the original message was addressed to the list only,
then "Reply to List" works. But if the 'original' message was a "Reply
to All" with the sender in the "To" field, and the list in the "cc"
field, then, even a "Reply to list" results in both the sender and the
list as addressees.
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 16:17, Brett Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 13:23, Arthur S. Alexion wrote:
>
> > Coincidentally, with this list being among the few that do not default
> > replies to the list, it is ironic that the MUA which is its subject
> > treats its "Reply to List" feature as "Reply to All". There should be a
> > difference.
>
> Eh? This message is a result of "Reply to List", and it contains only a
> single "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" header. "Reply to All" results in two
> headers ("To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and "Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"). Looks
> like a significant difference to me. FWIW, I'm running evo 1.2.1 on a
> debain testing-ish system. Are you running an older version?
>
> Cheers!
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Re: [Evolution] Why Two Copies With List Replies?
Lane is right. It is inefficient and a time waster and I don't buy any of the excuses I got to my similar previous post. (the suggestion was that maybe the poster is not a list member -- nonsense) Coincidentally, with this list being among the few that do not default replies to the list, it is ironic that the MUA which is its subject treats its "Reply to List" feature as "Reply to All". There should be a difference. On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 22:41, simran wrote: > Not that i use the feature myself... but i can see why its there. > Oftentimes, people filter based on the to address... i have filters > saying ... if i'm on the 'To' or 'Cc' fields, then move it to the "read > properly" folder... > > On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 12:40, Lane P. Lester wrote: > > I fail to understand the logic by which Reply to List generates > > replies to both the author and the list. After all, the author is > > subscribed to the list and will thereby receive two copies of the > > reply. Why doesn't the function simply put the list address in the To > > field? > > > > Lane > > > > Lane P. Lester / Madison County, Georgia > > Running Linux more and Windows less > > > > ___ > evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Follow up Flags
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 11:28, Ettore Perazzoli wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 12:12, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 07:22, Arthur S. Alexion wrote:
> > > I have been trying to take advantage of the "Follow up Flag" feature to
> > > manage my email. I was surprised that a Follow up Flag did not create a
> > > task.
> > >
> > > 1. Why not?
> >
> > because it wasn't possible to code
>
> Hey, nothing is *impossible* to code. :)
>
> At some point we should have at least alarms that fire up when the
> follow-up is due; I am pretty sure we have a bug about this in Bugzilla.
Now a really cool gui thing would be:
Click a message and drag and drop it on the task folder in the tree.
This triggers a dialog box which would allow setting the follow up and
alarm functions.
Personally, I see no reason to combine calendars and task lists with a
mail client, but if you are going to, then take full advantage of it.
This would also mean dragging and dropping a calendar date onto a
contact to cue a meeting notice email, etc. Maybe Evolution 2.5 ;-{!>
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Re: [Evolution] Application Transfer to Palm?
On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 12:42, W Pennington wrote: > How do you transfer a downloaded application to a Palm/Visor/Clié with > Evolution during the synchronization? > You can't do it during Evolution Palm Sync, but... In a terminal window $ pilot-xfer -i /path/app.prc substituting the path and file name of the app to be installed for /path/app.prc pilot-xfer will prompt you to press the sync button, and installation will proceed ... separate from a sync. This capability is provided by the Pilot-Link package. The evolution install replaces pilot-link with pilot-link.ximian, a version tuned to work with Evolution. In theory,it should still work, but as a disclaimer, I synced once to transfer my contacts, then deleted pilot-link.ximian and gnome_pilot and reinstalled the original pilot-link package. I can no longer sync with Evolution, but my ability to sync with jpilot is restored along with all of the pilot-link features which I use extensively. I wasn't ready to give up jpilot's light footprint, its ability to sync memos and perform full backups. And I suggest you read the man page for pilot-link and its components. If you don't mind the console interface, it provides a lot of very important palm utilities. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Follow up Flags
I have been trying to take advantage of the "Follow up Flag" feature to manage my email. I was surprised that a Follow up Flag did not create a task. 1. Why not? 2. If you set a due date and time, what if any reminders do you get? 3. Can anyone point out a good resource I can read to get the most out of this feature? Thanks -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Search within message
Thanks, Dick. You read my question correctly. I would have expected to find it in the search menu instead of the edit menu, but hey, at least it's available. By the way, though Manuel Borchers misunderstood my question, he answered yours regarding the "search all messages" functionality. He says. On Wed, 2003-01-01 at 13:50, Manuel Borchers wrote: > > Just go to the search-line right above your message list, select > "message contains", enter your keyword(s) and hit return. Et voila, you > get the results in the message list. On Wed, 2003-01-01 at 14:01, Dick Roth wrote: > Since you didn't mention which release of Evo you are running, I'll > assume 1.2.x. In this case, select the message and either use menus: > Edit>Search Message, or enter Ctl-S to get to the dialog. Works like a > charm. > > Now if we could only have "search _all_ messages, that would be neat! > > Dick > > > On Wed, 2003-01-01 at 13:30, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > Am I correct that there is no way to search WITHIN a message? > > > > If so, this would be the first desktop gui email program that I have > > used without that feature. If not, the command is well hidden. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Search within message
Am I correct that there is no way to search WITHIN a message? If so, this would be the first desktop gui email program that I have used without that feature. If not, the command is well hidden. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] spamassassin
On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 09:58, Tony Earnshaw wrote: > fre, 2002-12-27 kl. 14:43 skrev Arthur S. Alexion: > > > Finally got spamd/spamassassin configured and working, and it is a truly > > nice piece of software. For a couple of days, I kept the > > ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs file open in an editor and tweaked the > > white/black lists, and now it seems to be extremely accurate. > > > > But I don't run my own mail server, so, while the program excels at > > segregating and quarantining spam, it is a shame that I will continue to > > need to waste downloading and processing time on the garbage. I still > > have not figured out how to use spamassassin to prevent or stop the spam > > from coming to me in the first place. > > > > This brings me to the question, is there a way, using the evolution > > rules, to automate a bounce of the message every time it is determined > > by spamassissin to be spam? > > It's the job of the smtp mailserver to allow or deny mail domains. > There's absolutely no way Evo could reject spam before it receives it. > in your mail box. Thanks, Tony. Perhaps this is clearer as to what I want to do. Kmail can generate a bounce that appears to be sent from the mail server. Normally, this can be done manually, but I can set its filters (rules) so that mail spamassassin detects as spam is first "bounced" and then moved to a "spam" folder. While the mail is not actually rejected, it appears to the spammer as if it was sent to a non-existent address on the server. If the spammer is gathering and using this information, it thinks that the address is "dead" and deletes it from its database. It is a way of unsubscribing. Can I do the same in evolution? -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] spamassassin
Finally got spamd/spamassassin configured and working, and it is a truly nice piece of software. For a couple of days, I kept the ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs file open in an editor and tweaked the white/black lists, and now it seems to be extremely accurate. But I don't run my own mail server, so, while the program excels at segregating and quarantining spam, it is a shame that I will continue to need to waste downloading and processing time on the garbage. I still have not figured out how to use spamassassin to prevent or stop the spam from coming to me in the first place. This brings me to the question, is there a way, using the evolution rules, to automate a bounce of the message every time it is determined by spamassissin to be spam? -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Reply-To Question
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 23:08, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > Replies to a couple of posts enclosed. > > On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 18:54, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 19:37, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > > On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 12:27, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 14:36, Ray Hunter wrote: > > > > > I would like the reply-to field to populate to the list email > > > > > address...is this possible? > > > > > > > > So would I, but we seem to be in the minority. > > > > > > I don't think it should do this by default. You can always fill in the > > > list as the reply-to by hand. I'm not convinced that adding this as an > > > option is worthwhile. (mind you, I'm not actually an Evolution hacker, > > > but I try to keep up with it pretty closely). > > > > See what I mean... > > No, I'm afraid that I don't. To Ray Hunter, I meant that your reply confirmed that Ray and I were in the minority in wanting to reply to list by default. > > > Furthermore, the existing code to make 'reply-to-list' > > > work is horrible and hacky. I haven't found a 'good' solution for this > > > yet (although it's been suggested that I look at the gnus code. I hope > > > to get there soon). This is one of those problems that appears HARD to > > > solve. > > > > I don't know. I subscribe to about 8 lists and only 2 of the 8 work > > like this one. The other (hosted by ultraviolet.org) is the worst > > You mean like the Evolution list? I wasn't talking about how the > mailing list manager handles it, this is completely unrelated to > Evolution. No. this is a list manager configuration issue. It has nothing to do with evolution or any other mail client. It is, however exacerbated by evolution since some mail clients make replies to list easier. (In mutt and kmail, you just hit the letter L.) > > > > > - reply to all means original poster gets two copies. Why? > > > > > > It doesn't. I think you're missing out on some common use-cases. There > > > are many mailing lists out there which do not require you to be a member > > > of the list before posting. That is to say, reply-to-all only results > > > in the sender getting two copies of the mail if they're not on the > > > list. Removing the sender on 'reply-to-all' is a BAD idea. > > > > You're kidding, right? > > No. I don't understand what your confusion is, please clarify. Almost every time I post to this list, I get duplicate replies. It's annoying and a waste of bandwidth. Some lists even give you the option of not receiving copies of your own posts since they are likely in your sent mail folder anyway (I don't usually activate this option since I like to know that my post made it to the list, but I can see the efficiency in selecting it.) -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Reply-To Question
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 19:37, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 12:27, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 14:36, Ray Hunter wrote: > > > I would like the reply-to field to populate to the list email > > > address...is this possible? > > > > So would I, but we seem to be in the minority. > > I don't think it should do this by default. You can always fill in the > list as the reply-to by hand. I'm not convinced that adding this as an > option is worthwhile. (mind you, I'm not actually an Evolution hacker, > but I try to keep up with it pretty closely). See what I mean... > > > My annoyances, as is, are: > > > > - just hitting reply does not send to list as usually intended. > > Doing this means that you have to have some way of replying -other- than > hitting the 'reply' button, in case you want to just send mail to the > original sender. Isn't this the rare instance? I always thought that the purpose of mail lists is so that questions AND ANSWERS can be shared with everyone on the list. Occasionally a reply to sender only is warranted, but this should be rare. > Furthermore, the existing code to make 'reply-to-list' > work is horrible and hacky. I haven't found a 'good' solution for this > yet (although it's been suggested that I look at the gnus code. I hope > to get there soon). This is one of those problems that appears HARD to > solve. I don't know. I subscribe to about 8 lists and only 2 of the 8 work like this one. The other (hosted by ultraviolet.org) is the worst administered list I've encountered in 9 years on the Internet. The other six seem to accomplish the reply to list function without any problems. I'm not sure what hard to solve problems you are speaking of. Many lists, which default to reply to list, even have an option as to whether or not you receive copies of your own posts.. > > > - reply to all means original poster gets two copies. Why? > > It doesn't. I think you're missing out on some common use-cases. There > are many mailing lists out there which do not require you to be a member > of the list before posting. That is to say, reply-to-all only results > in the sender getting two copies of the mail if they're not on the > list. Removing the sender on 'reply-to-all' is a BAD idea. You're kidding, right? > > > - evolution, unlike "primitive" MUAs like mutt and kmail does not bind > > any key to the "reply to list" action, nor is there a toolbar button., > > so to reply properly, you have to dig into the menus. > See http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=34608 Feel free to > contribute suggested keybindings or some new icons. Hope that helps, BTW, why doesn't evolution have user configured key-bindings and toolbars? Is it a Gnome thing? (I don't use gnome. I use evolution in GNUStep/WindowMaker, so I don't know if that is the case with all gnome programs. I use KDE occasionally, and most KDE apps let you configure both). > Greg -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Reply-To Question
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 16:21, Ray Hunter wrote: > Is there a way to run a script that would populate the reply-to with the > list name? I know enough about perl to know that it can accomplish this, but not enough to write that script. The script would have to identify the message by the X-mail-list flag as belonging to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Then, it would rewrite the reply-to header. A fairly simple job for someone who knows perl. > > I know that you can run shell commands in the filters, could a script be > set in there that would somehow change the reply-to in the email to the > list name? Right, the filter would run your script on [EMAIL PROTECTED] emails. > > I am not that familiar with the under workings of evolution to know what > needs to be changed... The filter set up in evolution would be simple. It is the perl script which requires some working perl knowledge. That's because the reply-to header is in the message; it is not something peculiar to evolution or any other MUA. > > Ideas anyone? > -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] spamassassin filter question
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 15:44, Cliff Wells wrote: > On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 12:19, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 13:42, Cliff Wells wrote: > > > > > > I could never get 'spamassassin -e' to work, but 'spamc -c' works fine. > > > > I can't seem to get either to work, although it seems to be writing to > > /var/spool/mail/arthur but not to my evolution mbox. > > Is spamd running? spamc is just a front-end for talking to the spamd > service. Well first I tried spamassassin -e because you don't need spamd. Then I tried spamc -c, and did not work. Found out that spamd was not running because the init script called gprintf which is not on my system, so the script was choking. Changed the gprintf to printf and ran the script manually, and spamd started. Then spamc -c was working. Now, I rebooted, and it looks like spamd loads successfully with init.d. Hopefully everything works now. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] spamassassin filter question
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 13:37, Philippe Chartier wrote:
> Le ven 20/12/2002 à 18:53, Aaron Weber a écrit :
> > Arthur:
> > The "pipe to shell command" option doesn't parse the arguments or
> > option flags (i.e. "spamassasin -f") which you would need to use.
> > That's why I suggested the shell script.
> >
> > If you have good results without using the shell script, let me know;
> > I didn't have any luck with it, though.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Aaron Weber
> > Ximian, Inc.
>
>
> That's curious. Since I upgraded to Evo 1.2, I've been using Spamassasin
> with "/usr/bin/spamc -c" as argument (it's the Spamassassin client) and
> it's working very well. I instructed other people who managed to get it
> working as well...
do you use the quotes (")? It is not working for me without them.
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Re: [Evolution] Reply-To Question
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 14:36, Ray Hunter wrote: > I would like the reply-to field to populate to the list email > address...is this possible? So would I, but we seem to be in the minority. My annoyances, as is, are: - just hitting reply does not send to list as usually intended. - reply to all means original poster gets two copies. Why? - evolution, unlike "primitive" MUAs like mutt and kmail does not bind any key to the "reply to list" action, nor is there a toolbar button., so to reply properly, you have to dig into the menus. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] spamassassin filter question
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 13:42, Cliff Wells wrote: > On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 10:48, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > On Friday 20 December 2002 02:18 pm, you, Mertens Bram, wrote: > > > What is the "-f" option you want to use? I can't find it in the > > > spamassassin documentation... > > > > I think he meant "-e" which is the same as "spamc -c" returning a > > boolean value instead of writing flags. > > I could never get 'spamassassin -e' to work, but 'spamc -c' works fine. I can't seem to get either to work, although it seems to be writing to /var/spool/mail/arthur but not to my evolution mbox. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Feature Request: auto-collapse threads
On Friday 20 December 2002 01:21 pm, you, Eric Lambart, wrote: > I've seen people asking for an option to collapse all threads--I > think that's a popular request, and I would like it too... but I > haven't seen what you're asking for. I'm actually not clear on > exactly what you want. It is a quite handy setting I use in kmail. The way it works is that threads with no unread mail are displayed collapsed by default, but threads with unread mail are opened. This keeps your folder view more compact, while allerting you of a new addition to a thread. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] spamassassin filter question
On Friday 20 December 2002 12:53 pm, Aaron Weber wrote: > The "pipe to shell command" option doesn't parse the arguments or > option flags (i.e. "spamassasin -f") which you would need to use. > That's why I suggested the shell script. you DO mean "spamassassin -e", right? -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] spamassassin filter question
On Friday 20 December 2002 02:18 pm, you, Mertens Bram, wrote: > What is the "-f" option you want to use? I can't find it in the > spamassassin documentation... I think he meant "-e" which is the same as "spamc -c" returning a boolean value instead of writing flags. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Feature Request: auto-collapse threads
Some mail readers have a setting for threaded mail reading which expand threads with unread mail, while collapsing others. What is the chance of implementing this in evolution? -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Outgoing filtering
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 16:59, Robert Floyd wrote: > I'd like to set up a filter that will move outgoing mail to a folder > based on the subject line. I've created such a filter, but it doesn't > seem to be working on the outgoing messages. What do I need to check? > (Evolution 1.2.0). The Filters dialog has a drop-down near the top where you can select filters for outgoing or incoming mail. It doesn't look like you can set a single filter for both. Make sure your filter is in the outgoing filters list. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Feature request: selective quoting
I really like the feature of some mail clients that allow you to select the text in the original message that you want to quote in your reply. Then, only the selected text is quoted. If there isn't any way to do it in evolution now, it sure would be a valuable feature for me. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evolution won't quit
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 19:40, m96 wrote: > you should use the 'killev' command to kill evolution, it will also exit > some other background processes, like wombat - used for calendar. So, if I understand, you are recommending that, instead of File|Close or Exit, I should go to a terminal window and run killev instead? (If it makes a difference, I am not using the tasks and the calendar. Just using Evolution as a mail client and ancillary address book..) > > the only thing that i can imagine is that you are using imap and your > server is too slow. Not using IMAP. > > > On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 12:34, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > When I try to shut down evolution, I get the persistent message that I > > should "please wait while evolution exits" (or something close). I > > understand that this is normal and as it should be, as evolution is > > doing some clean up and things as it quits, but most of the time, this > > remains on the screen for hours, and only goes away with a "kill" or > > window manager exit. This seems to be bad, because it interrupts the > > tasks that evolution should perform on exit (for instance, some settings > > changes that I make don't "stick" because, I suspect, I am "killing" > > before it gets a chance to.) -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] spamassassin filter question
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 07:36, Nicolas ROBAUX wrote: > Le jeu 19/12/2002 à 12:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > > > I tried emulating that with evolution's filters but got lost. Does > > anyone have instructions for accomplishing this with evolution's > > filters? > > > > Hi ! I just found this link, looking for the same question yesterday ! > :-) > > >http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=DeOp-7xg&p_lva=&p_faqid=329&p_created=1039628948&p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1zcGFtJnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9NCZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMT0yJnBfcHJvZF9sdmwyPX5hbnl_JnBfY2F0X2x2bDE9fmFueX4mcF9zb3J0X2J5PWRmbHQmcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_li= > Thanks to Nicolas ROBAUX & Mertens Bram for their help. While the suggestions were similar, Mertens suggested that I enter the shell command with the parameter directly into the filter, while the Ximiam instructions suggest using a shell script to run the message through Spamassassin and to point the filter to the shell script. Do both ways work? If so, is there any reason to use the shell script method instead? Thanks, again. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] spamassassin filter question
I used spamassassin successfully in kmail using the following instructions The filter setup is the work of five minutes (if that!) if you have a working spamassassin set up: 1. The Filter Criteria in question is " ." (that's a single dot). 2. The Filter Action is " spamassassin" or " spamc" if you're using the daemon spamd. (Note: spamassassin had to be called with the parameters -P -F 0 in versions prior to 2.40. These options are now obsolete and produce warnings!) 3. Then, in the Advanced Options, uncheck the "If this filter matches, stop processing here" box. If you keep this filter at the top, it will analyze all incoming mail, decide whether it's spam or not, and flag it accordingly. 4. I've got a second filter behind it, which looks for "X-Spam-Flag equals YES" and diverts them into a specific spam folder I tried emulating that with evolution's filters but got lost. Does anyone have instructions for accomplishing this with evolution's filters? -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Feature Request: next unread
I see commands to navigate to the next message in the list, but not to the next UNREAD message. This would be nice for those of us using threaded view who tend to have new mail all over the inbox. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Evolution won't quit
When I try to shut down evolution, I get the persistent message that I should "please wait while evolution exits" (or something close). I understand that this is normal and as it should be, as evolution is doing some clean up and things as it quits, but most of the time, this remains on the screen for hours, and only goes away with a "kill" or window manager exit. This seems to be bad, because it interrupts the tasks that evolution should perform on exit (for instance, some settings changes that I make don't "stick" because, I suspect, I am "killing" before it gets a chance to.) -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Feature Request
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 04:18, carlo piana wrote: > Yeah, that's my point. I cannot afford (in terms of security and of > dedicated resources) to have a pop server in my office, and rely on my > ISP's. Although I have quite a large connection, I understand that IMAP > is somewhat heavier to manage than POP, for that it implies > client/server database transactions and is not viable for low bandwidth > connection (not that this is my case, though). > > Plus, it > works, doesn't hurt anybody, use it! ;) I think the reason some ISPs don't support IMAP is that they don't like so much mail remaining on the server. They can't control the POP leave mail on server option, but discourage their subscribers from using it. Anyway, I agree that Evolution should support selective mail downloads and deletions. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Feature Request
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 04:05, carlo piana wrote: > Il mar, 2002-12-17 alle 13:30, Arthur S. Alexion ha scritto: > > On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 03:32, carlo piana wrote: > > > A feature I would like to have is the ability to control the server > > > status on the POP server. I.E. to keep messages and delete them after a > > > fixed date, and/or to delete them on demand, a feature which Eudora does > > > perfectly in W$. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Il mer, 2002-12-04 alle 18:16, Derek Denk ha scritto: > > > > One thing I'd like to see in evolution is an option to save replies to > > > > messages in the same folder as the original message. > > > > I think both of these "features" can be implemented by the user just > > writing a simple rule. > > > > For instance, I have rules that sort incoming mail into separate > > mailboxes based on a mailing list. All I would have to do is have the > > rule apply to outgoing as well as incoming mail. > > This is not entirely correct for what concerns my problem. I do not see > how a rule can affect the (in)ability to delete a message *on the server > side* at a certain date. All we can do now is to delete *or* to keep the > messages altogether. A feature which allowed to delete selected messages > from server and not others would permit, for instance, to delete spam > and infected messages from the POP server preventing from multiple > downloads in an environment where several people access the same > mailbox. This could be for instance useful for people downloading same > messages from different locations. > > I know that this is not exactly the paradigm for which POP is meant to > work, yeah, I know that this is an IMPAP thing, but nonetheless it is > allowed and works with other mailers (none of which under *nix, AFAIK). My Apologies, Carlo, you are right. I was thinking of the local mailboxes, not the server copy. Derek's problem (replies in the same box as as the original) can be solved with a rule, though. I think you are right that most *nix MUAs don't support this on POP. Probably for the same reason that I understand Ximian refuses to implement it. There is a philosophy that this is something that should be solved with IMAP, not POP. Unfortunately some of us do not run our own servers, and some or our ISPs (mine included) refuse to support IMAP. Like many others, I have tried to use rules/filters to make POP emulate IMAP features. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] [Fwd: Pilot: Fatal alert]
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 04:42, Not Zed wrote: > On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 13:35, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > Interesting, but Evolution 1.2.1 (and 1.0.8 before it) only showed the > > list server appended signature to me, and none of the message body. I > > was hoping that forwarding it as an attachment (rather than in line) > > would have the same effect. It's odd, but this only seems to happen > > with [some] mail from that list, and it only chokes when I view it with > > Evolution. (In other words, Evolution seems to do fine with mail from > > all of my other sources, and kmail and mutt seem to display the body of > > these messages.) Apparently, Evolution is seeing the list signature as > > the last alternative of the body of the message. > > Looks like mail has been sent to the list in html + text versions, and > the mailing list software is stripping the html part, but not changing > the content type of the container appropriately. > That makes a whole lot of sense as this is the only list where I have this problem. -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] [Fwd: Pilot: Fatal alert]
On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 22:18, Thomas O'Dowd wrote: > Would be nice to have a config option in general to say always show me > XX if available (where X is a choice of auto, plain/text > html/text etc). In this case that option doesn't really help unless the > user says html/text here... Personally, I'd mostly leave this switched > to plain/text. I'm not sure whether it's the same, but kmail has an option "show html in preference to plain text" which I have assigned a key binding. I leave it off (showing plain text) except for the rare instance when I need to see the html. > > On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 11:11, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > If you take a look at the message source, you'll find that the message > > is a multipart/alternativewhich means that there are several > > "alternative" views of the same[1] message body which are listed in > > reverse preference order (last part is the most preferred, first part is > > the least preferred). > > > > What a mail client is supposed to do is show the *last* part which it is > > capable of displaying, which is exactly what Evolution is doing. > > > > I don't know what can be done as obviously it would not be good to show > > the user all versions of the body (imagine reading multiple copies of > > the same message all in a row - we'd probably get thousands of bug > > reports about a bug in evolution that showed multiple copies of the same > > message). > > > > [1] obviously, the content *does* differ. usually you'll have 1 version > > in text/html format and one in text/plain (and possibly one in > > text/richtext or text/enriched or something). > > > > Jeff > > > > On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 20:43, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > > The attached message shows up blank in my copy of Evolution 1.2.1. I > > > get a lot of messages from that particular list which show up blank in > > > evolution, but are readable in kmail. Any ideas? -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] [Fwd: Pilot: Fatal alert]
Interesting, but Evolution 1.2.1 (and 1.0.8 before it) only showed the list server appended signature to me, and none of the message body. I was hoping that forwarding it as an attachment (rather than in line) would have the same effect. It's odd, but this only seems to happen with [some] mail from that list, and it only chokes when I view it with Evolution. (In other words, Evolution seems to do fine with mail from all of my other sources, and kmail and mutt seem to display the body of these messages.) Apparently, Evolution is seeing the list signature as the last alternative of the body of the message. On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 21:11, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > If you take a look at the message source, you'll find that the message > is a multipart/alternativewhich means that there are several > "alternative" views of the same[1] message body which are listed in > reverse preference order (last part is the most preferred, first part is > the least preferred). > > What a mail client is supposed to do is show the *last* part which it is > capable of displaying, which is exactly what Evolution is doing. > > I don't know what can be done as obviously it would not be good to show > the user all versions of the body (imagine reading multiple copies of > the same message all in a row - we'd probably get thousands of bug > reports about a bug in evolution that showed multiple copies of the same > message). > > [1] obviously, the content *does* differ. usually you'll have 1 version > in text/html format and one in text/plain (and possibly one in > text/richtext or text/enriched or something). > > Jeff > > On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 20:43, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > The attached message shows up blank in my copy of Evolution 1.2.1. I > > get a lot of messages from that particular list which show up blank in > > evolution, but are readable in kmail. Any ideas? -- Arthur S. Alexion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] [Fwd: Pilot: Fatal alert]
The attached message shows up blank in my copy of Evolution 1.2.1. I get a lot of messages from that particular list which show up blank in evolution, but are readable in kmail. Any ideas? -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com --- Begin Message --- The Pilot list/archive/unsubscribe page is http://www.ultraviolet.org --- End Message ---
Re: [Evolution] Grrrr.. whitelisting again
On Monday 09 December 2002 12:31 pm, Steve wrote: > Is there a way to do this in Evolution? SpamAssassin supports this and can be used with Evolution if you use fetchmail. if you use POP, you can do it with Evolution rules. There is a mini-HOWTO for KMail on http://kmail.kde.org/tools.html which you can easily adapt to Evolution. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evolution changed my login
On Tuesday 26 November 2002 10:25 am, Mark Gordon wrote: > Clarification: it was the installer that clobbered > /etc/sysconfig/desktop, not Red Carpet. Red Carpet is blameless in > this regard; they're two different pieces of software. They share > some common code, but this bug is only in the installer. OK, so its safe to continue to use red Carpet, then? I understand. I really appreciate this help. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evolution changed my login
On Tuesday 26 November 2002 10:29 am, Mark Gordon wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 08:43, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > I think you are wrong about there not being any "Gnome stuff" in > > the Evolution Channel. Evolution seems to depend on a lot of > > original_name.ximian versions of some standard Gnome libraries, and > > replaces them without asking for confirmation. > > > The installer lets you know which packages are going to be installed > and will not proceed until you confirm. I guess I just had an isolated experience in using the installer with the bug that you confirmed (34606). It just caused me a lot of agita that distracted me from giving the program a fair evaluation. I removed the pilot sync stuff and re-enabled jpilot (following your instructions) and now I am going to use the Evolution MUA for a while. I really like the Vfolders, so far -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evolution changed my login
On Monday 25 November 2002 07:43 pm, guenther wrote: > I may be wrong, but that sounds like the Ximian (Desktop) Installer > rather than Red Carpet. lynx only is mentioned for downloading the > Installer. > > The "Evolution only rather than the Ximian Desktop" implies the same. > If you only downloaded Red Carpet, you have to subscribe to the > Evolution Channel, and theres no other Gnome stuff in there. > > At http://ximian.com/products/evolution/download.html you followed > the link to the "main download page", right? Thanks, Guenther. Mark Gordon confirms your suspicion that I used the Installer. I think you are wrong about there not being any "Gnome stuff" in the Evolution Channel. Evolution seems to depend on a lot of original_name.ximian versions of some standard Gnome libraries, and replaces them without asking for confirmation. Additionally Mark confirms that the Installer replaced the settings for my Display Manager, even though it didn't need to. The bug is explained at http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=34606 -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evolution changed my login
On Monday 25 November 2002 11:31 pm, Mark Gordon wrote: > OK, confirmed, it's a bug. > http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=34606 Thanks, Mark. I really appreciate the candor. At least it gave me an opportunity to learn how /etc/inittab, prefdm and /etc/sysconfig/desktop interact and work. It is bad, though, because it diminishes trust in the installer. Think about it. We run Linux in user mode because we don't trust ourselves to not make mistakes occasionally in super user mode. But when we run the installer, we put blind trust in the installer and the package provider, who are total strangers. Its like strong encryption -- it doesn't matter how strong it is if you give your password out. > > > My system now has Red Carpet installed in addition to Evolution. > > That's on purpose, so you can easily install updates to Evolution > and/or its dependencies. That's fine, but I wish that it hadn't replaced so many other things. You guys pride yourselves on delivering a product that is familiar to MS Windows/Office users, and I think you have succeeded with a fine product. One Windows thing I wish you did not emulate, though, is "DLL hell" -- where install programs replace shared libraries with versions that are incompatible with other software that the user depends on. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Cannot hear the Bell
All, I am using KDE on RH 8.0. Actually I don't have the speakers connected. I was trying to hear the bell from the internal speaker. Is this possible? -murali --- Lonnie Borntreger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 14:34, Mark Gordon wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 05:16, Muralidhara S wrote: > > > All, > > > > > > I have configured 1.2 to beep for a new mail. > > > But cannot hear the beep.I can hear the system > > > bell sound. > > > > > > Any inputs? > > > > > > Regards > > > murali > > > WebSpectrum Software Pvt. Ltd. > > > www.wsspl.com > > > > Well, there are a million ways to have this > misconfigured. Here's a > > partial list: > > > > - sound notification selected but not added to the > list of notifications > > - sound added to list but no sound file selected > > - speakers turned off > > - speakers not plugged in > > - low-level sound configuration issues > > One more important one: > - What desktop are you using (Gnome, KDE)? > > TTFN, > Lonnie Borntreger > > > > ___ > evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evolution changed my login
On Monday 25 November 2002 12:56 pm, Mark Gordon wrote: > 1) What distribution are you running? Red Hat 7.2 (Kernel 2.4.18-18, KDE 2.2.2-2, Gnome 1.2) > 2) When you say "Red Carpet", do you perhaps mean the Ximian > Installer? If you're not clear on the distinction, can you indicate > how you launched this program? OK. I'm not sure of the distinction between the Ximian installer and Red Carpet. I thought Red Carpet was the name of the Ximian installer. Anyway, I launced it following the "easiest" instructions on the web page. I su'ed to root. Launched "links" with the URL indicated on the page (my system has the "links" text browser instead of "lynx") I followed the instructions, selecting to install Evolution only rather than the Ximian Desktop. My system now has Red Carpet installed in addition to Evolution. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evolution changed my login
On Monday 25 November 2002 11:44 am, Erik Bågfors wrote: > On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 13:32, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > You are right, it doesn't sound like anything an MUA installation > > should change, but when I poked around my /etc/inittab, I found > > that it had been set from /usr/bin/kdm to /etc/lib/prefdm (a gnome > > component). Seems like Red Carpet assumed that, as an Evolution > > user, I should be using all Gnome stuff. > > prefdm is not a gnome component! It's a small "software" that loads > the correct dm. In your case it should load kdm for you. > > I can bet that Red Carpet doesn't change it for you but you probably > installed something else that turns things back to "the way it's > supposed to be". Right, I have learned through this experience (why does it always require coomputer problems to learn so much about the way computers work) that prefdm is a script that reads a variable in the file /etc/sysconfig/desktop. The latter is a very small file that has a single line DISPLAYMANAGER="[preferred display manager]" [prefered display manager] can be GNOME, KDE, KDE1, KDE2, etc. It seems that Red Carpet changed that line to GNOME from KDE. I know that it was Red Carpet because I was careful to only make the single change (install Evoiution via Red Carpet). I had logged on many times between the last software installation and Evolution and know when the change occurred. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evolution changed my login
You are right, it doesn't sound like anything an MUA installation should change, but when I poked around my /etc/inittab, I found that it had been set from /usr/bin/kdm to /etc/lib/prefdm (a gnome component). Seems like Red Carpet assumed that, as an Evolution user, I should be using all Gnome stuff. Truthfully, I don't know WHY it was changed, but I've learned to make single changes to my system at a time so that if anything goes wrong, I know WHAT caused it. I'm certain that it was Red Carpet that did it. Now I didn't have Red Carpet before installing Evolution. When installing Evolution I was presented with a choice of installing only Evolution, or the complete Ximian Desktop. I chose Evolution only. During the course of installing Evolution, Red Carpet asked for permission to replace TWO PACKAGES -- jpilot and balsa. I agreed to the changes and proceeded. Then it went ahead and deleted 109 PACKAGES!, including the standard pilot-link (which was replaced by pilot-link.ximian and gnome-pilot). The progress indicator of the installer indicated that it was removing 109 packages, but I haven't seen a log file indicating which packages were removed. So far, I only know of the 'visible' ones like the aforemention login manager change and pilot-link. Not Zed, do you know if there is a log file created, and where I can find it? Red Carpet/Evolution is the first open source install that made so many changes to my system without notifying me in advance. Art On Monday 25 November 2002 12:23 am, Not Zed wrote: > This doesn't sound like anything to do with Evolution, maybe some > other package down the line. > > redhat uses /etc/sysconfig/desktop or something to set the login > manager, dont know about anything else. > > On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 07:55, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > I boot directly into state 5, with a gui login. My default session > > is KDE, and I think the login was kdm. When I installed Evolution > > with Red Carpet, it changed this login to a more primitive version > > (possibly gdm or xdm). Is there a way to change it back? I can't > > imagine that Evolution needs a particular login, and am pretty > > annoyed at it being changed without my foreknowledge and > > permission. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Deleting in Evol 1.2 using KDE
On Friday 22 November 2002 02:31 pm, Michael D. Lind wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 12:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I remember in a past version there was the option to send deleted > > messages directly to the trash bin so they dont sit in the in-box > > with the strike-through lines. I really want deleted messges to > > go directly to the trash when I delete them with out having to do > > the ctrl+e to expunge. > > View > Hide Deleted Messages That is an acceptable work around that I too have been using, but it does not really do what rfoster wanted -- send messages to trash without the step of expunging. This only hides the messages marked for deleting, but does not serve to do the deletion. If, like me you are going to do it this way, You still have to periodically expunge. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Evolution changed my login
I boot directly into state 5, with a gui login. My default session is KDE, and I think the login was kdm. When I installed Evolution with Red Carpet, it changed this login to a more primitive version (possibly gdm or xdm). Is there a way to change it back? I can't imagine that Evolution needs a particular login, and am pretty annoyed at it being changed without my foreknowledge and permission. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Comments on Evolution 1.2
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 10:51 pm, Russell Stuart wrote: > Evolution 1.2 is very, very good. IMHO > it is the first piece of open source office software that is on a par > with Microsoft's equivalent offering - better in some ways, in fact. > An extraordinary achievement, considering the resources Microsoft > has to throw at the problem. Gee, I always thought Postgre and MySQL were better than MS SQL Server and that the GIMP blows away every graphics offering from MS, including MS Draw. I could go on -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Cannot hear the Bell
All, I have configured 1.2 to beep for a new mail. But cannot hear the beep.I can hear the system bell sound. Any inputs? Regards murali WebSpectrum Software Pvt. Ltd. www.wsspl.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Evo 1.2 & LDAP with MS Exchange Server
ldapsearch -h 10.1.1.30 -x -s sub '(|(displayName=dlewis*)(name=dlewis*)(mail=dlewis*))' returns the CORRECT info for user whose info begins with dlew* With 1.2 evolution trying to authenticate with dn set to cn=MY-NT-DOMAIN USERNAME and give my password, no query comes back, all I get s stuff like this searching server using filter: (|(cn=*dlewis*)(sn=*dlewis*)(mail=*dlewis*)(primaryPhone=*dlewis*)(telephoneNumber=*dlewis*)(homePhone=*dlewis*)(mobile=*dlewis*)(carPhone=*dlewis*)(facsimileTelephoneNumber=*dlewis*)(homeFacsimileTelephoneNumber=*dlewis*)(otherPhone=*dlewis*)(otherFacsimileTelephoneNumber=*dlewis*)(internationaliSDNNumber=*dlewis*)(pager=*dlewis*)(radio=*dlewis*)(telex=*dlewis*)(assistantPhone=*dlewis*)(companyPhone=*dlewis*)(callbackPhone=*dlewis*)(tty=*dlewis*)(o=*dlewis*)(ou=*dlewis*)(roomNumber=*dlewis*)(title=*dlewis*)(businessRole=*dlewis*)(managerName=*dlewis*)(assistantName=*dlewis*)(postalAddress=*dlewis*)(homePostalAddress=*dlewis*)(otherPostalAddress=*dlewis*)(labeledURI=*dlewis*)(displayName=*dlewis*)(spouseName=*dlewis*)(note=*dlewis*)(anniversary=*dlewis*)(birthDate=*dlewis*)(mailer=*dlewis*)(fileAs=*dlewis*)(category=*dlewis*)(calCalURI=*dlewis*)(calFBURL=*dlewis*)) wombat-pas-WARNING **: search returned 0 I think that 1.2 does have an issue with LDAp. People have tried helping and Im at the point where I need to go back to 1.0.8 Its an exchnage 5.5 server that was FINE on the old evolution On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 14:12, Cormac Long wrote: > Does anyone have evo 1.2 working with MS Exchange LDAP server?.. if so > can you provide details of the configuration.. bind, scope etc > > I've monitored evo and gq using Ethereal.. > > Results from using gq (which works) > firstly, it binds but with simple authentication and dn and password > set to NULL > > Lightweight Directory Access Protocol > Message: Id=1 Bind Request > Message Length: 7 > Version: 2 > DN: (null) > Auth Type: Simple (0x00) > Password: (null) > > Evo won't allow you to set dn and password to NULL.. you either don't > bind at all or use non-null email or dn binding... both of which fail > on my LDAP server. > > Then for the search, gq does the following: > Lightweight Directory Access Protocol > Message: Id=2 Search Request > Message Length: 33 > Base DN: (null) > Scope: Subtree (0x02) > Dereference: Never (0x00) > Size Limit: 0 > Time Limit: 0 > Attributes Only: False > Filter: (cn=*long*) > > Evo which can't do NULL binds, goes straight for the search and does > the following: > Lightweight Directory Access Protocol > Message: Id=7 Search Request > Message Length: 53 > Base DN: (null) > Scope: Base (0x00) > Dereference: Never (0x00) > Size Limit: 100 > Time Limit: 0 > Attributes Only: False > Filter: (|(cn=*long*)(sn=*long*)) > > The search string given to gq was "long" and because it was configured > for searching cn with a "contains" rule, it added the * before and > after the string. > > The evo search fails with just "long" and "*long*" when I tried to > emulate the gq search. > > All I can assume is that it fails because I can't set the scope to be > subtree (evo only allows base and one to be selected) or it has > something to do with the inability to bind with dn=NULL, > password=NULL. > > I confirmed with my admin that we don't support a bind.. so I'm > inclined to believe that the subtree is the cause. > > When I was using evo back on the 1.0.X days, I had LDAP working.. its > only since I moved to evo 1.2 that it doesn't work. > > Anyone care to offer suggestions/solutions? > > Regards, >Cormac > > > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan > service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service > working > around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com > ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Uninstalling Evolution
I got your response just minutes after I solved the problem by guessing. On Tuesday 19 November 2002 12:10 pm, Mark Gordon wrote: > It might be using the files in ~/.gnome/gnome-pilot.d > > If you're not using gnome-pilot (Evolution conduits, gnome-pim > conduits), you can just rename (or, if you prefer to live > dangerously, remove) this directory. There is a file and a directory of the same name. first I found the file and moved it to trash (just to be safe). Then I found the directory. Guessing, I decided the directory was more important than the tiny file, so I deleted the file from trash so that I could move the directory and its contents there. > > The alternative would be to reinstall the Evolution conduits in order > use the GUI to disable them, but that's probably overkill in your > case. Overkill in hindsight. > > You'll probably also need to kill gpilotd if it's still running. jpiolt/pilot-link kept giving me this error about the username being garbage, which was confusing. to diagnose that problem, I ran install-user from the command line. Though it would not work, the Palm went into sync mode which it normally doesn't do unless there is a sync daemon active. I guessed that even though I had removed the daemon from my hard drive, it was still running in memory. Not knowing the name, I restarted X. Sure enough it worked. No phantom user name and the sync worked fine. Next, I saw your mail and you confirmed the daemon in memory. Thanks for your excellent help. Now I can go back to using jpilot for PIM and Evolution for an email client (MUA) when in gnome (and jpilot/kmail while in kde). -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] ldap not working in 1.2.0
We are probably seeing a feature of MS exchange 5.5 deviating from the standard possibly. On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 00:16, Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 06:25, Dick Roth wrote: > > ldap lookups worked very well in 1.0.8, but has ceased to function in > > 1.2.0. No amount of tweaking helps. Does anyone have a clue why it > > lost this ability to function? The ldap service hasn't changed. GQ > > still operates properly. > > it works here as expected. > > which ldap-server do you use (slapd here). > > Soeren. > > > ___ > evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution > ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Comments on Evolution 1.2
On Monday 18 November 2002 06:50 pm, Etienne Tourigny wrote: > On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 17:58, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > On Monday 18 November 2002 03:41 pm, Russell Stuart wrote: > > > Last week I made the move from Outlook to Evolution 1.2. I > > thought I > would give some feed back on things I am having > > difficulty adjusting > to. > > > > And then Russell goes on to point out some differences in the > > details between Outlook and Evolution. > > > > I thought I'd respond from the opposite perspective. > > Here I explained why I didn't like Outlook. > > > > I didn't like the way that it forced a PIM into my MUA, either. > > I was using another PIM that I liked very much, and was annoyed > > that I had to install the PIM components of Outlook which I had no > > intention of using. > > Interesting that you don't like a MUA with PIM components - just like > Evolution! Is that one of the "similarities of Evolution to Windows > are its drawbacks" ? Not when I originally wrote, but the more I think about it, Yes. One of the things that I hated about windows is how windows developers -- not just microsoft -- forced their entire package on you, even if you just wanted a component. This reminds me of another thing I didn't like about Evolution/Red Carpet. While the install was easy (I never thought RPM was hard), it took over and changed a lot of things without my foreknowledge and permission. It asked me if it could remove two conflicting packages -- jpilot and balsa -- and then proceeded to remove and replace 109! That's a windows thing only windows developers do it by replacing DLLs. The result in windows is instability and crashes, the result with Red Carpet was that programs that I relied on, no longer existed or worked (not much better). > > I sort of agree with you. If I didn't use the PIM components (which > I do, along with Palm sync) I would not like them to be included with > the main application. But then again once you have an addressbook > for your email contacts a full contact manager is just the next step > (although a long one). But the Calendar and Tasks have no place in a > MUA-only application. I like jpilot as my PIM/Palm desktop app. It is elegantly simple -- it just mirrors the handheld and it synchs with the memo and allows transparent simple control of backups. Plus, it is a separate app that I can use when I don't need email. It uses sparse resources, so it can run in the background without affecting the performance of the foreground app. It would be nice to be able to use the address book for addressing emails, but I don't need street addresses, phone numbers and other contact info clogging my MUA. > > Evo developers: are there any plans to modularize the PIM components > of Evolution? This way they could be used by other Gnome apps very > easily (I guess). And the resulting binaries would be smaller for > someone who needs just a Mailer. And it would load quicker. And... > that's about it. I would add to that a way to toggle the display of html or text versions of mail, ala kmail. It sure speeds up the deletion of spam, not having to wait for it to display its stupid HTML before I delete it. Plus, a lot of my incoming AOL and Outlook created html mail wants to display windows fonts that look terrible in X (amazing how many people send html encoded plain text. why?). It looks much better when I display the plain text versions. > [more of my boring likes and dislikes omitted here] > > > > For me the similarities of Evolution to Windows are its drawbacks. > > Not necessarily bad, but not for those of us who abandoned Windows > > to get away from it, not so that we could exchange it for its open > > source look alike. > > Actually most people run away from the problems in Windows itself. > Outlook is just the most popular mailer. I don't have a problem with > using a product that looks like a Microsoft product. I just want it > not to behave LIKE a Microsoft product. And to me Evolution is that. For me BEHAVING is more than just "misbehaving" (i.e. instability and crashes). It includes the way that it works, even when it works well. For example, I don't like the way that Outlook and Evolution substitute the addressee's name for his or her email address. My Palm addressbook (which was imported into the Evolution addressbook) contains many alternate email addresses, including text enabled cell phones and pagers. By masking the email address that it is using, Evolution makes me have to confirm every such address. (For me, products like Outlook are not bad because they are made by Microsoft. Rather Microsoft is a
Re: [Evolution] Uninstalling Evolution
Mark and Eric, Thanks for the help. I followed a combination of your advices. I followed Eric's advice to let Red Carpet do the uninstall. (Easy once you figure it out, but not very intuitive to find.) And I followed Mark's advice to uninstall pilot-link.ximian and gnome-pilot (couldn't find evolution-pilot in Red Carpet). Doing so allowed me to reinstall j-pilot and the non-ximian pilot-link, and allowing me to use Evolution as an MUA with jpilot as my PIM, but I still have a problem. It may be related to evolution-pilot, but I don't think so. As hoped, neither the Evolution install, nor the partial uninstall, affected the configuration files in my home directory. Jpilot displays my palm data from the last sync and other preferences. That's the good news. The bad news is that some of the evolution syncing configuration files also remain, preventing me from doing a sync. You see jpilot/pilot-link are trying to use the now removed evolution conduits instead of their own. Can either of you (or anyone else on the list) help me with finding and repairing this configuration setting? Thanks for the continuing help. Art On Thursday 14 November 2002 04:14 pm, Mark Gordon wrote: > At this point, reinstalling (e.g.) jpilot should only require removal > of evolution-pilot (and newer pilot-link and gnome-pilot) rather than > evolution. This means you can have jpilot (built against older > pilot-link) and evolution (albeit without conduits) installed on the > same system. > > -Mark Gordon > > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 13:25, Eric Lambart wrote: > > In Red Carpet, first select the channel that contains the package > > you want to remove (i.e. Ximian Desktop, or wherever Evolution is). > > Then click on the "Remove" button on the upper-right (the icon is > > a box with an arrow going UP). From there you can see a list of > > your installed packages and choose those you wish to remove. > > > > Also, I'll bet you could simply choose to re-install (using Red > > Carpet) jpilot etc., and just like when you installed Evolution in > > the first place, it would warn you that certain packages need to be > > removed. Just tell it to go ahead, and it should remove Evolution > > et al. > > > > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 07:19, Arthur S. Alexion wrote: > > > I thought I'd give evolution a try, being unsatisfied with balsa. > > > Seems that I need the software that it removed (jpilot & pilot > > > link) more than I need evolution. > > > > > > I haven't been able to find uninstall instructions. I have a Red > > > Hat RPM system and Red Carpet seems to have been installed. Can > > > anyone point me to uninstall instructions, please? -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Comments on Evolution 1.2
On Monday 18 November 2002 03:41 pm, Russell Stuart wrote: > Last week I made the move from Outlook to Evolution 1.2. I thought I > would give some feed back on things I am having difficulty adjusting > to. And then Russell goes on to point out some differences in the details between Outlook and Evolution. I thought I'd respond from the opposite perspective. In 1997, and again in 1998, I tried Outllook as it came with my copy of MS Office 97. I really disliked the way it did things, some of which seemed ok for MSMail, but really seemed unnatural to me for internet mail. I didn't like the way that it forced a PIM into my MUA, either. I was using another PIM that I liked very much, and was annoyed that I had to install the PIM components of Outlook which I had no intention of using. I quickly went back to Pegasus. When Pegasus seemed to fall behind for a while, I tried Outlook again, didn't like it any better and quickly switched to Eudora. After moving from Windows to Linux, I got to really enjoy using kmail in KDE. However, I decided to give Gnome a whirl. Unhappy with Balsa, I decided to try Evolution. For me the similarities of Evolution to Windows are its drawbacks. Not necessarily bad, but not for those of us who abandoned Windows to get away from it, not so that we could exchange it for its open source look alike. Interesting how different people can be. -- _______ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] LDAP not working evolution 1.2 exchnage 5.5
I cannot get any LDAP query to work from this version of evolution against a 5.5 exchange server running LDAP. It does not accept anonymouse requests and as it is NOT active directory the authentication should be username or NTdomain\username all on port 389 wit NO SSL. The error I get from wombat is wombat-pas-WARNING **: unhandled value for use_tls, not using it wombat-pas-Message: supported server control: 1.2.840.113556.1.4.319 wombat-pas-Message: supported server control: 1.2.840.113556.1.4.417 wombat-pas-Message: supported server control: 1.2.840.113556.1.4.529 authenticating as (null) I CAN talk to the exchange server fine using Bynari Insight USING THESE RH7.3 kernel 2.4.18-18.7.x LDAP components openldap-devel-2.0.23-4 openldap-2.0.23-4 openldap-clients-2.0.23-4 php-ldap-4.1.2-7.3.6 nss_ldap-189-4 Anyone have any ideas? Thanks Ivan Bishop ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Uninstalling Evolution
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 01:25 pm, Eric Lambart wrote: > In Red Carpet, first select the channel that contains the package you > want to remove (i.e. Ximian Desktop, or wherever Evolution is). Then > click on the "Remove" button on the upper-right (the icon is a box > with an arrow going UP). From there you can see a list of your > installed packages and choose those you wish to remove. > > Also, I'll bet you could simply choose to re-install (using Red > Carpet) jpilot etc., and just like when you installed Evolution in > the first place, it would warn you that certain packages need to be > removed. Just tell it to go ahead, and it should remove Evolution et > al. Thank you Eric. I am going to try that now. -- _______ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:arthur@;alexion.com http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Newbie: Evolution doesn't pick up e-mail address fromLDAP
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 10:43 am, Hans-Göran Puke wrote: > I've installed Evolution 1.2 and managed to configure it to get > addressing information from our LDAP directory. > The searches work alright, but when I send an e-mail using one of the > selected records, the e-mail address is all wrong (it is a few > letters from the surname of the person I am trying to reach, not an > e-mail address at all). I don't have this problem when using Mozilla > mail (like I am doing now). Anyone that has any idea about where the > problem may lie? Similarly, is there a way to get it to display the email address in the two field rather than the name. I have clients with multiple addresses, and I want to be able to confirm I am using the right one at a glance. -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:arthur@;alexion.com http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Uninstalling Evolution
I thought I'd give evolution a try, being unsatisfied with balsa. Seems that I need the software that it removed (jpilot & pilot link) more than I need evolution. I haven't been able to find uninstall instructions. I have a Red Hat RPM system and Red Carpet seems to have been installed. Can anyone point me to uninstall instructions, please? -- ___ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC mailto:arthur@;alexion.com http://www.alexion.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Evolution 1.2 on RH 8.0
All, I am new to this list. I am using Evolution 1.0.8 and want to install 1.2. As per the instructions, I downloaded, redcarpet for RH 8.0. When running red-carpet, I get the following error. "The distribution you are running( Red Hat Linux 8.0 ) is not yet supported by Red Carpet." "redcarpet-WARNING **: Unable to download supported distribution info; falling back" The rpm file I downloaded is red-carpet-1.4.0-2.ximian.2.i386.rpm. Please let me know how to install 1.2 on RH 8.0 Regards Murali __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Crashing while opening a particular mail
Hi I m using a Thin Client and using Evolution as a mail client . when clicking on a particular mail my X crashes and brings me back to the login screen what cud be the problem is there anywhere i can chk the logs as to what is actually happening as this mail opens properly in a web based mail. Balajee ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Evolution issues...
Hi Presently i 2 issues 1. I'm using Redhat 7.2 and in evolution i cannot select multiple files to attach in a message.Is that a problem with Evolution or file manager or redhat. Pl help to solve that if at all also it is a not a problem with evolution. 2. If i hv configured IMAP then can i sycn with the server for the filters which are already set there. -- Balajee netCORE Solutions http://www.netcore.co.in
[Evolution] Detailed Mail settings set up?
Hello, Is there a documented set up procedure for using Evolution for sending / receiving e-mail via your ISP supplied web account: Sending mail = smtp Receiving mail = pop I tried this earlier, but ran into problems. I was able to send mail, but clicking send/receive mail button returned: Operation already in in progress Attempting to then check on mail settings for the affected user account then locked up Evolution. Thanks to anyone that might respond. Stacey _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Connector with Evolution 1.1.x?
On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 12:45, Dan Winship wrote: > > Is there a timeline when Connector will work with Evolution 1.1.x? > > We're not planning to put out any prereleases of Connector 1.2. Sorry. > :) > > > I also noticed that the Connector uses the web interface to the Exchange > > server instead of the native MAPI protocol. Hence the need to have OWA > > activated (I was wondering about that requirement). Are there any > > functionality limitations because of this? > > Connector 1.0 has a bunch of limitations just because we didn't have > time to do everything in the first release. 1.2 adds a bunch of stuff > like public folders, delegation, and direct booking. > Sounds good! So is there an anticipated time for the official release of Connector 1.2? Thanks, Ujwal ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Connector with Evolution 1.1.x?
I just bought a copy of Connector to use with our new Exchange 2000 server. So far it works very well. However, I had been running Evolution 1.1.x development snapshots before and had to downgrade to 1.0.8 to use Connector. Is there a timeline when Connector will work with Evolution 1.1.x? I also noticed that the Connector uses the web interface to the Exchange server instead of the native MAPI protocol. Hence the need to have OWA activated (I was wondering about that requirement). Are there any functionality limitations because of this? In a way, this actually works out better for me since I don't have to VPN into the office when I am on the road. Thanks, Ujwal ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Auto-Reply and 1.0.8?
On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 10:27, J. Gardner Biggs wrote: > Can you make a rule to auto-reply to emails received from a certain > account? > > I have just changed ISPs and wish to send an email notifying others of > my new email address. > > TIA How about using the "Source Account" criterion and "Execute shell command" action? The shell command can be a script that sends back an email. The tricky thing is passing the sender's email address to the shell script. I dunno if evolution can do that. Ujwal -- Ujwal S. Sathyam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> NetBrowser Communications ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] tip on debugging spell-checking problems
This is what I do to debug spell-checking problems in Evolution. 1. Install the Balsa mail client. 2. Open a Composer window in Balsa, and do spell-checking. 3. If there is a problem, a window will pop-up giving a pretty good descriptive message of what is wrong. Balsa does not use gnome-spell, but it uses aspell, so there is a chance that any problem there will be a problem in Evolution also. This helped me on two occasions when spell-checking suddenly broke. Turns out that some files from aspell were missing. This method is somewhat extreme but it has helped me before. Evolution should have a similar debug output window, IMHO. Ujwal On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 07:42, Andy Cedilnik wrote: > Hello! > > (Sory fur mispeled woards, boot mi spail checher dose nut wark...) > > A while ago collegue who uses Mandrake 8.1 and used Evolution 1.0.2, > asked me (Debian Woody, Evolution 1.0.3) how can he get spell check to > work. I said: "Install gnome-spell" and he did. He used Red-carpet to do > that and it did not work. He has gnome-spell installed but spell > checking still does not work. > > I since upgraded to Evolution 1.0.5 from Debian Woody repository and > spell check worked better than ever. Today however, I wanted to install > Mozilla 1.0 which is in Ximian's repository, and in the process it > updated my Evolution to 1.0.7. Now my spell check does not work any > more. I traced the problem to the fact that gnome-spell did not get > installed. The reason? Well, gnome-spell depends on aspell, aspell, > depends on libpspell and libtdl, and libpspell depends on libtdl. libtdl > however does not exist. > > So, why would Evolution not do spell checking on Mandrake 8.1 with > gnome-spell, aspell, and everything installed with Evolution 1.0.3? > > What about that libtdl? > > Thank you. > > Andy > > > ___ > evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Folder list invisible in filter editor
In the filter editor, the button "" brings up an empty window. Is this a known bug? Using 1.0.7.99 snapshot from 06/13. Ujwal ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] CVS Evolution: Mac-like interface
Actually, I have been a Mac user for years, and the user interface has worked for me nicely all along. What is missing in Evolution attempts to mimic the Mac interface is that there is no global application-specific menu bar that all the application windows can share. If that were there, this approach would work. However, the Linux GUIs currently do not support that. Ujwal At 1:31 PM +0300 5/22/02, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: >No need to. Just roll back CVs to where it was for the required >files and wake >up to the fact that not everything Mac does is the right thing to do, however >cute and apparently user-friendly it might be. ,-) > >On 21 May 2002, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: >> You're free to submit a patch :-) > >-- >Martin-Éric Racine, Helsinki, Finland. >http://www.pp.fishpool.fi/~q-funk/ >+358 41 474 0289 > > >___ >evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] CVS Evolution: message toolbar and spell-checking
On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 13:59, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 15:33, Ujwal S. Sathyam wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just installed the latest (5/21) snapshot rpms on my Mandrake 8.1 > > system. I encountered a few problems: > > > > 1. When I open messages in a new window, there is no toolbar with the > > "Reply", "Forward", etc. buttons. > > These were removed on purpose. It was redesigned to be less confusing > and more like the way it is done on the Mac. > So, how do I reply to a message when I have the message window open? Ctrl-R does not work when the message window has focus. So I have to close the message window, go back to the message list, choose the message and hit either the Reply button or hit Ctrl-R. Ujwal ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] CVS Evolution: message toolbar and spell-checking
Hi, I just installed the latest (5/21) snapshot rpms on my Mandrake 8.1 system. I encountered a few problems: 1. When I open messages in a new window, there is no toolbar with the "Reply", "Forward", etc. buttons. 2. Spellchecking is spotty. Usually only the first misspelled word is marked. Sometimes, it does not kick in at all. Are these known issues? Thanks, Ujwal ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] POP passwords remember
My version is 1.0.3 from FreeBSD ports. On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 18:34, Fred Chagnon wrote: > > Evolution won't remember my passwords when I check the "remember" box. > > I'm using FreeBSD and this is probably a file permissions issue. > > Where can I find the file that stores the pop passwords? > > Thanx > > I had this problem with 0.1.3, but have since upgraded to 1.0.3 (for > FreeBSD) and haven't had the problem. Can you please confirm your > version? ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] POP passwords remember
Evolution won't remember my passwords when I check the "remember" box. I'm using FreeBSD and this is probably a file permissions issue. Where can I find the file that stores the pop passwords? Thanx Raymond Pert ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
