RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
They may be dirt cheap now, but shortly our Dear Leader in the US is going to institute about a 90% increase in the cost of gas with his cap and trade carbon tax. Some things just make me glad that I'm out here in the sandbox. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! -Original Message- From: Rob Hagman [mailto:r...@hagman.demon.nl] On Behalf Of li...@hagman.demon.nl Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Don't know why your are complaining about your dirt cheap fuel prices Average price for Jun 30 source: http://www.unitedconsumers.com/link.asp?m=tc=waartankenbanner.asp?regio=8c t=as=0 For the most common types of fuel, converted to $/US Gal. from Euro/ltr Euro95 Regulair $7.76 Ultimate 98 Super/Premium $8.09 Diesel $5.78 LPG $3.10 Most expensive: Texaco Super MLV $8.19 Small Diesels and LPG fueled cars are quite popular here in the Netherlands Rob. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Brian Dwyer [mailto:bdw...@bne.catholic.edu.au] Verzonden: dinsdag 30 juni 2009 6:55 Aan: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Onderwerp: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Shessh - paid $AU 1.12 ltr this morning,(cheapest day of the week for petrol in Brisbane) there's about 3.8 ltr to the US Gal which is about $AU 4.59 US Gal. Taking the current exchange rate $US 1 = $AU 1.23 into consideration means I paid the equivalent of about $US 5.64 a gal. For good measure the state government is introducing a new 8c ltr state tax tomorrow !!! Diesel is approx 3 - 5c a litre dearer than unleaded !! Local Ford Fairmont Ghia 6 cyl 4 ltr sedan gets about 11.5L/100k or 2.5Gal/62 miles (26.2 mpg) around town My math is not real great but I think you get the idea ! Brian -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 1:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Don't know why your are complaining about your dirt cheap fuel prices Average price for Jun 30 source: http://www.unitedconsumers.com/link.asp?m=tc=waartankenbanner.asp?regio=8c t=as=0 For the most common types of fuel, converted to $/US Gal. from Euro/ltr Euro95 Regulair $7.76 Ultimate 98 Super/Premium $8.09 Diesel $5.78 LPG $3.10 Most expensive: Texaco Super MLV $8.19 Small Diesels and LPG fueled cars are quite popular here in the Netherlands Rob. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Brian Dwyer [mailto:bdw...@bne.catholic.edu.au] Verzonden: dinsdag 30 juni 2009 6:55 Aan: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Onderwerp: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Shessh - paid $AU 1.12 ltr this morning,(cheapest day of the week for petrol in Brisbane) there's about 3.8 ltr to the US Gal which is about $AU 4.59 US Gal. Taking the current exchange rate $US 1 = $AU 1.23 into consideration means I paid the equivalent of about $US 5.64 a gal. For good measure the state government is introducing a new 8c ltr state tax tomorrow !!! Diesel is approx 3 - 5c a litre dearer than unleaded !! Local Ford Fairmont Ghia 6 cyl 4 ltr sedan gets about 11.5L/100k or 2.5Gal/62 miles (26.2 mpg) around town My math is not real great but I think you get the idea ! Brian -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 1:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the BCEC Security Gateway, and is believed to be clean. Brisbane Catholic Education however gives no warranties that this e-mail is free from computer viruses or other defects. Except for responsibilities implied by law that cannot be excluded, Brisbane Catholic Education, its employees and agents will not be responsible for any loss, damage or consequence arising from this e-mail.
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Fuel over here is around 100.9p/litre for unleaded (regular) 102.9p/litre for diesel (regular) I spotted diesel at 111.9p/litre (reg) LPG iirc 45p/litre -Original Message- From: Rob Hagman [mailto:r...@hagman.demon.nl] On Behalf Of li...@hagman.demon.nl Sent: 30 June 2009 07:16 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Don't know why your are complaining about your dirt cheap fuel prices Average price for Jun 30 source: http://www.unitedconsumers.com/link.asp?m=tc=waartankenbanner.asp?regio=8c t=as=0 For the most common types of fuel, converted to $/US Gal. from Euro/ltr Euro95 Regulair $7.76 Ultimate 98 Super/Premium $8.09 Diesel $5.78 LPG $3.10 Most expensive: Texaco Super MLV $8.19 Small Diesels and LPG fueled cars are quite popular here in the Netherlands Rob. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Brian Dwyer [mailto:bdw...@bne.catholic.edu.au] Verzonden: dinsdag 30 juni 2009 6:55 Aan: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Onderwerp: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Shessh - paid $AU 1.12 ltr this morning,(cheapest day of the week for petrol in Brisbane) there's about 3.8 ltr to the US Gal which is about $AU 4.59 US Gal. Taking the current exchange rate $US 1 = $AU 1.23 into consideration means I paid the equivalent of about $US 5.64 a gal. For good measure the state government is introducing a new 8c ltr state tax tomorrow !!! Diesel is approx 3 - 5c a litre dearer than unleaded !! Local Ford Fairmont Ghia 6 cyl 4 ltr sedan gets about 11.5L/100k or 2.5Gal/62 miles (26.2 mpg) around town My math is not real great but I think you get the idea ! Brian -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 1:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the BCEC Security Gateway, and is believed to be clean. Brisbane Catholic Education however gives no warranties that this e-mail is free from computer viruses or other defects. Except for responsibilities implied by law that cannot be excluded, Brisbane Catholic Education, its employees and agents
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Oh, and torque approaching 2X the HP rating makes me horny. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Places like www.td5alive.com can do some nice tuning and take it to around 185bhp. Some claim better MPG as well. Its on my list of jobs but not to 185bhp. Maybe more like 150bhp. Land rover are now doing a TDv6 and a TDv8 in the Range Rovers. One of the lumps now has twin turbo :-) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 30 June 2009 14:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use
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I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use
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The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
HP is rated at 215 I think for the GC CRD. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:55 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Very cool... although the estimated 18/23 mpg seems a little anemic. No HP rating either... although at 376 TQ, I'd guess maybe about 200... that is a little low for a vehicle that size with probably only a 5-spd tranny. -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense
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Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being
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Very cool... although the estimated 18/23 mpg seems a little anemic. No HP rating either... although at 376 TQ, I'd guess maybe about 200... that is a little low for a vehicle that size with probably only a 5-spd tranny. -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively
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Real Jeeps have a 4.0 liter v6: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s252/Articul8_DWG/Rausch%20082507/photo23.jpg :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I
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You sure you don't mean the 4.0 liter _IN-LINE_ six? :P -sc -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Real Jeeps have a 4.0 liter v6: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s252/Articul8_DWG/Rausch%20082507/ph oto23.jpg :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had
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Yup, sure do! No way I meant the mini-van motors they're putting in the newer Wranglers. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) You sure you don't mean the 4.0 liter _IN-LINE_ six? :P -sc -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Real Jeeps have a 4.0 liter v6: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s252/Articul8_DWG/Rausch%20082507/ph oto23.jpg :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066
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Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. 30mph? Pretty good for a KIA. I thought you said it would get up to 70... snickers -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I've made several trips in my 2002 Kia between my home near Seattle and destinations in Eastern WA (minimum trip time, 4 hours, maximum 7 hrs) at sustained speeds over 70mph, usually pushing 80. I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. I love the little beast, even if acceleration is dismal, and the roofer left a huge dent in the front driver-side quarter panel.. Kurt On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 08:47, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
LOL! OK - I mistyped. It's 30mpg at over 70mph. On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 05:30, Maglinger, Paulpmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. 30mph? Pretty good for a KIA. I thought you said it would get up to 70... snickers -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I've made several trips in my 2002 Kia between my home near Seattle and destinations in Eastern WA (minimum trip time, 4 hours, maximum 7 hrs) at sustained speeds over 70mph, usually pushing 80. I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. I love the little beast, even if acceleration is dismal, and the roofer left a huge dent in the front driver-side quarter panel.. Kurt On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 08:47, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Don't know about diesel, but gas is all over the map - I buy at Arco, because they have consistently lower prices, but even they go anywhere from $2.69 to $2.89. Others range higher. Kenmore, Redmond, Bothell, Kirkland, Auburn and Enumclaw, WA Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:35, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Reg. 2.63 at Costco Not sure about diesel right now Northwest Indiana near Chicago From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:35:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
$2.59 Regular $2.67 Diesel Southern Indiana From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
In the west burbs of Chicago Diesel is a bit cheaper than regular gas the last time I looked. From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:51 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Reg. 2.63 at Costco Not sure about diesel right now Northwest Indiana near Chicago From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:35:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
$3.059 Regular $2.859 Diesel East Bay (walnut Creek) California From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) $2.59 Regular $2.67 Diesel Southern Indiana From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the Names in the News company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments.
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
;)
From: David L Herrick [mailto:davidherr...@nincal.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:44 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
$3.059 Regular
$2.859 Diesel
East Bay (walnut Creek) California
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
$2.59 Regular
$2.67 Diesel
Southern Indiana
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what
gas/diesel prices are in your area.
Reg. Unleaded = $2.89
Diesel = $3.29
Anchorage, Alaska
- Sean
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo
capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive.
A diesel would be nice, fer sher.
Kurt
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk
wrote:
Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel
(and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly).
/loves fuel bill.
-Original Message-
From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
[mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of
Ben Scott
Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com
wrote:
Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear
yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-)
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola
Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've
never seen savings at 55.
Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement.
I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced
the confusion.
MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I
know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively.
I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs
changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between
21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when
it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily.
80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's
going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up
to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the
engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH
but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to
redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on
the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's
considerably beefier, or so I've read.
It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher
speeds. I wouldn't have expected that.
-- Ben
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Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
There is something very wrong with the coloring of that map.
Something very very wrong...
--
ME2
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Salvador Manzoma...@usc.edu wrote:
http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
;)
From: David L Herrick [mailto:davidherr...@nincal.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:44 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
$3.059 Regular
$2.859 Diesel
East Bay (walnut Creek) California
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
$2.59 Regular
$2.67 Diesel
Southern Indiana
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel
prices are in your area.
Reg. Unleaded = $2.89
Diesel = $3.29
Anchorage, Alaska
- Sean
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo
capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive.
A diesel would be nice, fer sher.
Kurt
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk
wrote:
Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and
~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly).
/loves fuel bill.
-Original Message-
From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
[mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Scott
Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote:
Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear
yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-)
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola
Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've
never seen savings at 55.
Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement.
I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced
the confusion.
MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I
know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively.
I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs
changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between
21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when
it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily.
80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's
going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up
to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the
engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH
but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to
redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on
the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's
considerably beefier, or so I've read.
It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher
speeds. I wouldn't have expected that.
-- Ben
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx There is something very wrong with the coloring of that map. Something very very wrong... I imagine it looks fine if you live in Oklahoma. ;-) I assume the sharp boundaries along state lines are the result of taxes and other state fees impacting gas prices. -- Ben
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Shessh - paid $AU 1.12 ltr this morning,(cheapest day of the week for petrol in Brisbane) there's about 3.8 ltr to the US Gal which is about $AU 4.59 US Gal. Taking the current exchange rate $US 1 = $AU 1.23 into consideration means I paid the equivalent of about $US 5.64 a gal. For good measure the state government is introducing a new 8c ltr state tax tomorrow !!! Diesel is approx 3 - 5c a litre dearer than unleaded !! Local Ford Fairmont Ghia 6 cyl 4 ltr sedan gets about 11.5L/100k or 2.5Gal/62 miles (26.2 mpg) around town My math is not real great but I think you get the idea ! Brian -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 1:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the BCEC Security Gateway, and is believed to be clean. Brisbane Catholic Education however gives no warranties that this e-mail is free from computer viruses or other defects. Except for responsibilities implied by law that cannot be excluded, Brisbane Catholic Education, its employees and agents will not be responsible for any loss, damage or consequence arising from this e-mail.
RE: Is Exchange Doomed?
While I can see that as a rational for pushing IT outside the walls of the business, I still think it is a poor move. If you push your IT outside the walls you are setting yourself up to be held hostage by that same outsourcing company when it comes time to renew the agreement. If you outsource your mail to a hosted service, you have no clue as to whether or not your mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Hi Kevin; I wasn’t the one that was asking about that. While I can understand a small time business wanting to concentrate on business and not on servers, i.e. Exchange servers, IIS for customer facing websites, etc, why would a business like GSK want to outsource their mail? I would think that they would want to keep business information inside the business. I’ve made the same argument about businesses running their mail through companies/services such as POSTINI where it can get leaked out or choked off due to “equipment failures” and other things. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | Large Org 1000 BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil SMORG’s Okay, I know I’ve been out of touch way out here in the sandbox for the last three years, but could someone point me in the direction of the glossary of acronyms? Seems there have been a number of changes since I left civilization. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I can't think that anyone is scared that Exchange will go away. I think that a number of vendors are concerned that Microsoft is pushing - really hard - SMORGs to the cloud. From: Louis, Joe [jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Naw. Different CC. I’m curious though as to what 3rd party Exchange vendors think about this article. None of the ones that I deal with are scaling back on their offerings on the fear that Google/Cloud computing will replace Exchange. Stu? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? If you mean MCC, then yes. J From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? OCC the school? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I too find it hard to believe that Gmail would be replacing Exchange in any
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Email is a commodity. Hosted Exchange is a commodity. Now, when I first set up a hosted Exchange company in 1999, it was pretty rare...but not today. If you have something that differentiates your business (such as your drug pipeline in the case of a pharma company) - you sure don't outsource that. But commodities? They aren't worth it. Insofar as being held hostage or mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party... well, that's what contracts are for. And realistically, that's no different than having someone go bad inside your IT organization. Anyway, this spirit of discourse and disagreement is what makes the world go 'round. All IMHO. YMMV. Void in the state of Wisconsin. :-) From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? While I can see that as a rational for pushing IT outside the walls of the business, I still think it is a poor move. If you push your IT outside the walls you are setting yourself up to be held hostage by that same outsourcing company when it comes time to renew the agreement. If you outsource your mail to a hosted service, you have no clue as to whether or not your mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Hi Kevin; I wasn’t the one that was asking about that. While I can understand a small time business wanting to concentrate on business and not on servers, i.e. Exchange servers, IIS for customer facing websites, etc, why would a business like GSK want to outsource their mail? I would think that they would want to keep business information inside the business. I’ve made the same argument about businesses running their mail through companies/services such as POSTINI where it can get leaked out or choked off due to “equipment failures” and other things. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | Large Org 1000 BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.milmailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil SMORG’s Okay, I know I’ve been out of touch way out here in the sandbox for the last three years, but could someone point me in the direction of the glossary of acronyms? Seems there have been a number of changes since I left civilization. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.commailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I can't think that anyone is scared that Exchange will go away. I think that a number of vendors are concerned that Microsoft is pushing - really hard - SMORGs to the cloud. From: Louis, Joe [jlo...@guardianalarm.commailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday
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Michael: You’re right, that’s why I like this list, we have differing opinions, but as far as I know, no one has croaked because of the debates here. But as far as having a “contract” in place with a third party host, it makes no difference to the crook on the datacenter floor if you have a 50 page contract written in 3 dialects of lawyereese saying that he can’t do what he’s doing. If he’s going to do it, then he’s going to do it and to heck with the ramifications. By the time the customer finds out and reports the problem, the damage is done. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Email is a commodity. Hosted Exchange is a commodity. Now, when I first set up a hosted Exchange company in 1999, it was pretty rare...but not today. If you have something that differentiates your business (such as your drug pipeline in the case of a pharma company) - you sure don't outsource that. But commodities? They aren't worth it. Insofar as being held hostage or mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party... well, that's what contracts are for. And realistically, that's no different than having someone go bad inside your IT organization. Anyway, this spirit of discourse and disagreement is what makes the world go 'round. All IMHO. YMMV. Void in the state of Wisconsin. :-) From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? While I can see that as a rational for pushing IT outside the walls of the business, I still think it is a poor move. If you push your IT outside the walls you are setting yourself up to be held hostage by that same outsourcing company when it comes time to renew the agreement. If you outsource your mail to a hosted service, you have no clue as to whether or not your mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Hi Kevin; I wasn’t the one that was asking about that. While I can understand a small time business wanting to concentrate on business and not on servers, i.e. Exchange servers, IIS for customer facing websites, etc, why would a business like GSK want to outsource their mail? I would think that they would want to keep business information inside the business. I’ve made the same argument about businesses running their mail through companies/services such as POSTINI where it can get leaked out or choked off due to “equipment failures” and other things. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | Large Org 1000 BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA
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What's wrong with Wisconsin? I don't live there, not from there, just want to know. 2009/6/26 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com Email is a commodity. Hosted Exchange is a commodity. Now, when I first set up a hosted Exchange company in 1999, it was pretty rare...but not today. If you have something that differentiates your business (such as your drug pipeline in the case of a pharma company) - you sure don't outsource that. But commodities? They aren't worth it. Insofar as being held hostage or mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party... well, that's what contracts are for. And realistically, that's no different than having someone go bad inside your IT organization. Anyway, this spirit of discourse and disagreement is what makes the world go 'round. All IMHO. YMMV. Void in the state of Wisconsin. :-) -- *From:* Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [ john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 7:33 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? While I can see that as a rational for pushing IT outside the walls of the business, I still think it is a poor move. If you push your IT outside the walls you are setting yourself up to be held hostage by that same outsourcing company when it comes time to renew the agreement. If you outsource your mail to a hosted service, you have no clue as to whether or not your mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 *Molōn labe!* *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:57 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. -- *From:* Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [ john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Hi Kevin; I wasn't the one that was asking about that. While I can understand a small time business wanting to concentrate on business and not on servers, i.e. Exchange servers, IIS for customer facing websites, etc, why would a business like GSK want to outsource their mail? I would think that they would want to keep business information inside the business. I've made the same argument about businesses running their mail through companies/services such as POSTINI where it can get leaked out or choked off due to equipment failures and other things. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 *Molōn labe!* *From:* KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:13 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | Large Org 1000 BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. *From:* Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil SMORG's Okay, I know I've been out of touch way out here in the sandbox for the last three years, but could someone point me in the direction of the glossary of acronyms? Seems there have been a number of changes since I left civilization. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 *Molōn labe!* *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:57 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I can't think that anyone is scared that Exchange will go
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Well, I’m a Limey so not authoritative on this one, but I always thought it was poking a bit of fun at the gambling laws of Wisconsin when they banned things like lotteries, etc. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 June 2009 13:50 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? What's wrong with Wisconsin? I don't live there, not from there, just want to know. 2009/6/26 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com Email is a commodity. Hosted Exchange is a commodity. Now, when I first set up a hosted Exchange company in 1999, it was pretty rare...but not today. If you have something that differentiates your business (such as your drug pipeline in the case of a pharma company) - you sure don't outsource that. But commodities? They aren't worth it. Insofar as being held hostage or mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party... well, that's what contracts are for. And realistically, that's no different than having someone go bad inside your IT organization. Anyway, this spirit of discourse and disagreement is what makes the world go 'round. All IMHO. YMMV. Void in the state of Wisconsin. :-) _ From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? While I can see that as a rational for pushing IT outside the walls of the business, I still think it is a poor move. If you push your IT outside the walls you are setting yourself up to be held hostage by that same outsourcing company when it comes time to renew the agreement. If you outsource your mail to a hosted service, you have no clue as to whether or not your mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. _ From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Hi Kevin; I wasn’t the one that was asking about that. While I can understand a small time business wanting to concentrate on business and not on servers, i.e. Exchange servers, IIS for customer facing websites, etc, why would a business like GSK want to outsource their mail? I would think that they would want to keep business information inside the business. I’ve made the same argument about businesses running their mail through companies/services such as POSTINI where it can get leaked out or choked off due to “equipment failures” and other things. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | Large Org 1000 BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil SMORG’s Okay, I know I’ve been out of touch way out here in the sandbox for the last three years, but could someone point me in the direction of the glossary of acronyms? Seems there have been a number of changes since I left civilization. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich
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Did I mention that I'm old? :-) Wisconsin used to have draconian anti-gambling laws - to such a degree that if a resident of Wisconsin bought a lottery ticket in another state - they were not allowed to cash it in. Eventually, lottery tickets often had void in the state of Wisconsin printed on them. Google that phrase, you'll find lots of hits. Really, it's a joke. In the early days of Usenet, IMHO, YMMV, void in Wisconsin was a common tagline. Now, not so much. From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? What's wrong with Wisconsin? I don't live there, not from there, just want to know. 2009/6/26 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.commailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com Email is a commodity. Hosted Exchange is a commodity. Now, when I first set up a hosted Exchange company in 1999, it was pretty rare...but not today. If you have something that differentiates your business (such as your drug pipeline in the case of a pharma company) - you sure don't outsource that. But commodities? They aren't worth it. Insofar as being held hostage or mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party... well, that's what contracts are for. And realistically, that's no different than having someone go bad inside your IT organization. Anyway, this spirit of discourse and disagreement is what makes the world go 'round. All IMHO. YMMV. Void in the state of Wisconsin. :-) From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.milmailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? While I can see that as a rational for pushing IT outside the walls of the business, I still think it is a poor move. If you push your IT outside the walls you are setting yourself up to be held hostage by that same outsourcing company when it comes time to renew the agreement. If you outsource your mail to a hosted service, you have no clue as to whether or not your mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.commailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.milmailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Hi Kevin; I wasn’t the one that was asking about that. While I can understand a small time business wanting to concentrate on business and not on servers, i.e. Exchange servers, IIS for customer facing websites, etc, why would a business like GSK want to outsource their mail? I would think that they would want to keep business information inside the business. I’ve made the same argument about businesses running their mail through companies/services such as POSTINI where it can get leaked out or choked off due to “equipment failures” and other things. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.orgmailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | Large Org 1000 BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte
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funny, i've met you before, and you didn't look green to me. From: Neil Hobson [nhob...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Well, I’m a Limey so not authoritative on this one, but I always thought it was poking a bit of fun at the gambling laws of Wisconsin when they banned things like lotteries, etc. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 June 2009 13:50 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? What's wrong with Wisconsin? I don't live there, not from there, just want to know. 2009/6/26 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.commailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com Email is a commodity. Hosted Exchange is a commodity. Now, when I first set up a hosted Exchange company in 1999, it was pretty rare...but not today. If you have something that differentiates your business (such as your drug pipeline in the case of a pharma company) - you sure don't outsource that. But commodities? They aren't worth it. Insofar as being held hostage or mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party... well, that's what contracts are for. And realistically, that's no different than having someone go bad inside your IT organization. Anyway, this spirit of discourse and disagreement is what makes the world go 'round. All IMHO. YMMV. Void in the state of Wisconsin. :-) From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.milmailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? While I can see that as a rational for pushing IT outside the walls of the business, I still think it is a poor move. If you push your IT outside the walls you are setting yourself up to be held hostage by that same outsourcing company when it comes time to renew the agreement. If you outsource your mail to a hosted service, you have no clue as to whether or not your mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.commailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.milmailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Hi Kevin; I wasn’t the one that was asking about that. While I can understand a small time business wanting to concentrate on business and not on servers, i.e. Exchange servers, IIS for customer facing websites, etc, why would a business like GSK want to outsource their mail? I would think that they would want to keep business information inside the business. I’ve made the same argument about businesses running their mail through companies/services such as POSTINI where it can get leaked out or choked off due to “equipment failures” and other things. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.orgmailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | Large Org 1000 BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.milmailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil SMORG’s Okay, I know I’ve been out of touch
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Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil: But as far as having a “contract” in place with a third party host, it makes no difference to the crook on the datacenter floor if you have a 50 page contract ... I think MBS's point is that you can have crooks inside your organization just as easily as you can have crooks in a supplier's organization. You seem to take it as a given that you can always trust employee, and we know that's not true. I'm sure you familiar with all the audit requirements DoD has for computers that already can only be touched by people who have security clearance, formal access authorization, and need-to-know. :) They're there because the insider threat is real, and the hardest to defend against. It's certainly possible to arrange for assurances for this sort of thing. You could do your own audits of the hosting company, or there could be some kind of accreditation system. Same as the National Industrial Security Program allows for commercial organizations to process DoD classified information, even though there normally aren't any DoD personnel on-site. All that said, most of the hosted offerings I've seen have no provisions for that sort of thing, and most businesses don't seem to care. They just blindly assume everything's going to be fine. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Indeed. Typically peak mileage corresponds to the peak of the torque curve in the highest gear you can run and still maintain RPM. -sc -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair…BOOM! Shook *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Sherry you're a Denver Bronco's fan. I never would have guessed. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair...BOOM! Shook From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you’re a Denver Bronco’s fan. I never would have guessed. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair…BOOM! Shook *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I knew that I'm rolling on the floor. J There's such a group hug between Texas and Colorado. I run into you guys on the slopes all the time. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you're a Denver Bronco's fan. I never would have guessed. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair...BOOM! Shook From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Not at all. The fact that there are so many is what makes a generalization like this ring all the more true. This doesnt have to be a flame war. A discussion of passions doesnt have to be nasty. Observations I have learned from ready industry magazines and watching industry spotlight shows: Most US cars have wider body lines (body lines are the gap between outer shell parts of the body, and break up the aesthetic appearance of the car). Most US cars have smaller disc brakes. Most US cars use non-modern suspension (particularly in the rear). Most US cars are sloppy, and have extensive play in the steering (even brand new cars have been found to have this) What I am describing applies to most all of the other automotive markets outside of the US. Toyota is a fine example, but what I am illustrating is what each younger generation knows from the get-go: The the US automotive industry is mostly crap when you compare its cars to foreign counterparts. We as a society are raised to care nothing about buying US-made products anymore. We all know we are no longer the general quality standard for all things. We buy our goods on the cheap wherever we can find it in the world economy. Take a look in a Walmart. Tell me how much sold there is made in the USA anymore. We don't buy hardly anything made or grown in the US anymore, so why should we have such a passion for American automotive? We typically wont tolerate inferior products from other industries. As far as automobiles go; its a piece of heavy equipment. I wouldn't risk my life or the lives of loved ones and others to buy inferior products. To me thats not about saving gas money; thats about keeping my family safe (see: modern steering, brakes and suspension for accident avoidance). Manufactures like Chevrolet and Ford have repeatedly admitted that they do not use modern-standard disc brakes and suspension equipment because it would add 5K+ to the vehicle cost as well as require higher maintenance costs for the owner. I don't want to see the US automotive industry fail. But they have. They make inferior products. Its past tense. They have been living in their own little world about this for decades. Yes, this is a generalization. Because its generally true. There's no flaming here. I'm simply calling it as I've seen it. If someone can set me straight and tell me otherwise, I'd be happy to hear it. Its been a disappointment in life to see the cars I grew up loving become more and more irrelevant over time - other than for nostalgic reasons... -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Eric Wittersheimewittersh...@aasmnet.org wrote: I'm sorry ME2 but this is pretty lame. There are too many different US and foreign auto companies to make this generalization. I'm sure you can cite examples of what you are trying to say but there are many examples of cars that fit the description larger body lines, more sway, less control that are made by non US companies. That sounds to me like you are describing most of Toyota's lineup. Look, I'm not trying to start some kind of flame war or anything like that but I really have a problem with your last statement. With the economy the way it is and so many US citizens without jobs why wouldn't people want to try and help by buying local. I don't accept the argument about quality anymore. I guess it is all good while WE have a job right? -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:33 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble
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Yup, if you're at Wolf Creek the first week of Feb. 2010 you will run into this Texan. Honestly, I loved seeing Elway finally win a Superbowl in 98, especially against the Packers. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: I knew that I’m rolling on the floor. J There’s such a group hug between Texas and Colorado. I run into you guys on the slopes all the time. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:30 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you’re a Denver Bronco’s fan. I never would have guessed. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair…BOOM! Shook *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair...BOOM! Shook From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.commailto:michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Nice! I love that color on the Xterra! -- ME2 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Thanks, I do too ;) It's actually somewhat rare to see an Orange Xterra, Nissan only made them in that color 1 year - 2003. I figure I've got another 5-6 years on driving this one. My last Nissan was a 1995 Pathfinder that I put over 220K miles on before I finally had it pried out of my hands (my husband insisted that I needed a newer, more reliable vehicle and there wasn't anything wrong with the one I had). It was a little easier when I found the Xterra to replace it with..I'm fond of my vehicles, put a lot of mileage on them and expect them to last me 10+ years, therefore, I buy Nissan. There, got us somewhat back on-topic for this OT thread. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! I love that color on the Xterra! -- ME2 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I'll make note to avoid that date. J I actually liked the second one better. It was nice to sit back and watch a blow out against someone else for once. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, if you're at Wolf Creek the first week of Feb. 2010 you will run into this Texan. Honestly, I loved seeing Elway finally win a Superbowl in 98, especially against the Packers. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: I knew that I'm rolling on the floor. J There's such a group hug between Texas and Colorado. I run into you guys on the slopes all the time. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you're a Denver Bronco's fan. I never would have guessed. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair...BOOM! Shook From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake
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Ha, you really shouldn't avoid that week, it might be really entertaining to watch this 40 something year old grandma learn to snowboard! Yup, that next year was good too. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: I’ll make note to avoid that date. J I actually liked the second one better. It was nice to sit back and watch a blow out against someone else for once. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:45 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, if you're at Wolf Creek the first week of Feb. 2010 you will run into this Texan. Honestly, I loved seeing Elway finally win a Superbowl in 98, especially against the Packers. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: I knew that I’m rolling on the floor. J There’s such a group hug between Texas and Colorado. I run into you guys on the slopes all the time. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:30 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you’re a Denver Bronco’s fan. I never would have guessed. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair…BOOM! Shook *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I'll stick to my Echo...2005, 200,000kms and I can still get rubber from 2nd gear and I've had it up to almost 120mph. At 54mpg it rocks! My 97 Dakota (350,000kms)(motor still runs like a top) takes 2 tanks (80 litre tank) for every 1 (38 litre tank) on the Toyota and won't start when it's wetwant to guess which vehicle I like better? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: June-26-09 11:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Honda Odyssey here...can hit 32mpg with seven adults and AC running at 80mpg! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.comwrote: All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Thanks. It has been a great truck. I got a SuperChips programmer for it. It doesn't pull quite as much power out of it as some of the other chip/programmers available, but it came with a warranty and I like the different tuning levels based on the amount I'm towing. As soon as the factory warranty runs out, I'll be looking at removing the diesel particulate filter, which I understand is mostly responsible for the drop in fuel economy. I will say this, Its nice to see diesel prices stay consistent with current rise in gas prices. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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No kidding... a $1.50 premium was a bit steep. Fortunately my rig was before the mandatory EGR stuff. My chip was a 3-level switchable... it had a nice torque mode for pulling the trailer... You have gauges? -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Thanks. It has been a great truck. I got a SuperChips programmer for it. It doesn't pull quite as much power out of it as some of the other chip/programmers available, but it came with a warranty and I like the different tuning levels based on the amount I'm towing. As soon as the factory warranty runs out, I'll be looking at removing the diesel particulate filter, which I understand is mostly responsible for the drop in fuel economy. I will say this, Its nice to see diesel prices stay consistent with current rise in gas prices. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Sensible people seem to stick with brands that they have had good luck with. I've had great luck with Honda cars and Toyota trucks. I finally had to give my 91 Integra to my son a couple of years ago when I bought my FJ Cruiser (never got over the 70 Land Cruiser I had). From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:03 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Thanks, I do too ;) It's actually somewhat rare to see an Orange Xterra, Nissan only made them in that color 1 year - 2003. I figure I've got another 5-6 years on driving this one. My last Nissan was a 1995 Pathfinder that I put over 220K miles on before I finally had it pried out of my hands (my husband insisted that I needed a newer, more reliable vehicle and there wasn't anything wrong with the one I had). It was a little easier when I found the Xterra to replace it with..I'm fond of my vehicles, put a lot of mileage on them and expect them to last me 10+ years, therefore, I buy Nissan. There, got us somewhat back on-topic for this OT thread. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! I love that color on the Xterra! -- ME2 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
No gauges. The only thing I'm really missing is a boost gauge. It would be nice to have a transmission temp gauge easily viewable rather than having to cycle through the on-board options. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: No kidding… a $1.50 premium was a bit steep. Fortunately my rig was before the mandatory EGR stuff. My chip was a 3-level switchable… it had a nice torque mode for pulling the trailer… You have gauges? -sc *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:47 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Thanks. It has been a great truck. I got a SuperChips programmer for it. It doesn't pull quite as much power out of it as some of the other chip/programmers available, but it came with a warranty and I like the different tuning levels based on the amount I'm towing. As soon as the factory warranty runs out, I'll be looking at removing the diesel particulate filter, which I understand is mostly responsible for the drop in fuel economy. I will say this, Its nice to see diesel prices stay consistent with current rise in gas prices. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Exhaust temp is nice for protecting your turbo when running a chip/programmer. A real tranny temp gauge is nice for towing too, if your truck's factory tranny gauge was as brain dead as mine was... -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) No gauges. The only thing I'm really missing is a boost gauge. It would be nice to have a transmission temp gauge easily viewable rather than having to cycle through the on-board options. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: No kidding... a $1.50 premium was a bit steep. Fortunately my rig was before the mandatory EGR stuff. My chip was a 3-level switchable... it had a nice torque mode for pulling the trailer... You have gauges? -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Thanks. It has been a great truck. I got a SuperChips programmer for it. It doesn't pull quite as much power out of it as some of the other chip/programmers available, but it came with a warranty and I like the different tuning levels based on the amount I'm towing. As soon as the factory warranty runs out, I'll be looking at removing the diesel particulate filter, which I understand is mostly responsible for the drop in fuel economy. I will say this, Its nice to see diesel prices stay consistent with current rise in gas prices. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I've made several trips in my 2002 Kia between my home near Seattle and destinations in Eastern WA (minimum trip time, 4 hours, maximum 7 hrs) at sustained speeds over 70mph, usually pushing 80. I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. I love the little beast, even if acceleration is dismal, and the roofer left a huge dent in the front driver-side quarter panel.. Kurt On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 08:47, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | Large Org 1000 BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.milmailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil SMORG’s Okay, I know I’ve been out of touch way out here in the sandbox for the last three years, but could someone point me in the direction of the glossary of acronyms? Seems there have been a number of changes since I left civilization. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.commailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I can't think that anyone is scared that Exchange will go away. I think that a number of vendors are concerned that Microsoft is pushing - really hard - SMORGs to the cloud. From: Louis, Joe [jlo...@guardianalarm.commailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Naw. Different CC. I’m curious though as to what 3rd party Exchange vendors think about this article. None of the ones that I deal with are scaling back on their offerings on the fear that Google/Cloud computing will replace Exchange. Stu? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.commailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? If you mean MCC, then yes. :) From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.commailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? OCC the school? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.commailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I too find it hard to believe that Gmail would be replacing Exchange in any organization that really uses Exchange for more than passing email messages back and forth… Gmail just doesn’t have the same feature set yet… I use gmail to host my own personal domain and I have a number of friends who do too. The main reason I went with Google is because it was free. The ads aren’t intrusive, so I can deal with them. I wouldn’t be surprised if my domain and theirs were counted in the 1.75 million businesses who are using Google apps.. how do they know I’m not a business? So, the number may be accurate as far as Google’s counting on the number of group “domains” but it still likely doesn’t provide the whole picture. I can confirm that Google is offering their service for free to schools. I have a friend who’s an admin at a community college in Michigan that just moved all their student’s email accounts over to gmail… No cost to the college. From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.commailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they’ve been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office “cloud” model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I’m sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it’s been free. I also don’t think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps? 1.75 million USERS I would believe, not businesses. Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud service too
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I know that it integrates with OCS just fine; for other solutions, you'd have to talk to an Exchange Off-Prem person. From: Maglinger, Paul [pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? How does it interact with unified messaging? From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Yes, significantly less - especially in large volume. Don't ignore the fact that for larger customers (5,000 seats) they will also stand up individual forests. When you do the math, don't forget to include bandwidth cost, A/V cost, A/S cost, backup and restore cost, HA cost, admin cost, power cost, cooling cost, and SA cost (not to mention other general licensing costs). Cost justifying it really isn't a problem. From: Barsodi.John [john.bars...@igt.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? They advertise $10/user/mo + add’l services on their Exchange Online site. Are you suggesting that they will severely undercut that to sell the service? MS approached us about 2 years ago when I was working on the beginning of my Exchange 2007 transition plans. They had less than 20 customers on it and most of the names that they could tell us were large customers 10-100k+ seats. Doing the math, it doesn’t seem like a worthy investment unless there are some huge price breaks. Fast forward to today, we are now looking at our costs to run the part of my Messaging infrastructure – Exchange and BB, perhaps to consider looking at the Exchange Online option again. At those rates, I don’t see the benefit… Those of you who work for or own an EHS business, how do your customers, who use MAPI only for connectivity, connect up? Just use Outlook Anywhere? We had to look at several dedicated WAN links to the various MS datacenters globally for our users…and those costs add up quick. There’s also the problem with internal relay options…internal application integration(CRM type of products) - JB From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Microsoft is pretty buying the seats when they do this. I’ve bid against Microsoft on some of these large customers. Microsoft comes to the table saying “ no exchange licenses, and we’ll sell it to you for nearly nothing a month” It is very hard to complete… 120k users you care looking at 2-20 million dollars in CALs alone plus hardware (5-20m), plus administration(1-2m a year).. etc.. Compare that with 50-500k a month and the dollars and upper management start making up your mind for you. ~Kevinm WLKMMAS– This message is Certified Swine Flu Free My life http://www.hedonists.cahttp://www.hedonists.ca/ From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Leave it to Microsoft marketing to come up with Business POS… :) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Not true. Glaxo-Smith-Kline (GSK, one of the largest drug companies in the world) is in the process of moving 120,000 (yes, 120K) seats to Microsoft's BPOS solution. They aren't the first, and they won't be the last. I know too much about this particular move that isn't public - but the fact that it is happening is known and public information. From: Maglinger, Paul [pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I believe there is too much corporate paranoia for a 3rd party email solution on large companies. Small and medium businesses however... From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they’ve been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office “cloud” model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I’m sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it’s been free. I also don’t think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman
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I like it! From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? They're like S'mores, except made with granola... From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil SMORG’s Okay, I know I’ve been out of touch way out here in the sandbox for the last three years, but could someone point me in the direction of the glossary of acronyms? Seems there have been a number of changes since I left civilization. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I can't think that anyone is scared that Exchange will go away. I think that a number of vendors are concerned that Microsoft is pushing - really hard - SMORGs to the cloud. From: Louis, Joe [jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Naw. Different CC. I’m curious though as to what 3rd party Exchange vendors think about this article. None of the ones that I deal with are scaling back on their offerings on the fear that Google/Cloud computing will replace Exchange. Stu? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? If you mean MCC, then yes. :-) From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? OCC the school? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I too find it hard to believe that Gmail would be replacing Exchange in any organization that really uses Exchange for more than passing email messages back and forth… Gmail just doesn’t have the same feature set yet… I use gmail to host my own personal domain and I have a number of friends who do too. The main reason I went with Google is because it was free. The ads aren’t intrusive, so I can deal with them. I wouldn’t be surprised if my domain and theirs were counted in the 1.75 million businesses who are using Google apps.. how do they know I’m not a business? So, the number may be accurate as far as Google’s counting on the number of group “domains” but it still likely doesn’t provide the whole picture. I can confirm that Google is offering their service for free to schools. I have a friend who’s an admin at a community college in Michigan that just moved all their student’s email accounts over to gmail… No cost to the college. From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they’ve been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office “cloud” model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I’m sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it’s been free. I also don’t think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps? 1.75 million USERS I would believe, not businesses. Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud service too. It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable competition. Carl From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Is Exchange Doomed? http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone
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I don’t think you can state how big an organization is by seat count. I know of an organization comprising ~250 seats with over 20 servers on 3 continents. From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | Large Org 1000 BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Small Org? I don't know either! :P 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.milmailto:john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil SMORG’s Okay, I know I’ve been out of touch way out here in the sandbox for the last three years, but could someone point me in the direction of the glossary of acronyms? Seems there have been a number of changes since I left civilization. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.commailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I can't think that anyone is scared that Exchange will go away. I think that a number of vendors are concerned that Microsoft is pushing - really hard - SMORGs to the cloud. From: Louis, Joe [jlo...@guardianalarm.commailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Naw. Different CC. I’m curious though as to what 3rd party Exchange vendors think about this article. None of the ones that I deal with are scaling back on their offerings on the fear that Google/Cloud computing will replace Exchange. Stu? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.commailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? If you mean MCC, then yes. :) From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.commailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? OCC the school? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.commailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I too find it hard to believe that Gmail would be replacing Exchange in any organization that really uses Exchange for more than passing email messages back and forth… Gmail just doesn’t have the same feature set yet… I use gmail to host my own personal domain and I have a number of friends who do too. The main reason I went with Google is because it was free. The ads aren’t intrusive, so I can deal with them. I wouldn’t be surprised if my domain and theirs were counted in the 1.75 million businesses who are using Google apps.. how do they know I’m not a business? So, the number may be accurate as far as Google’s counting on the number of group “domains” but it still likely doesn’t provide the whole picture. I can confirm that Google is offering their service for free to schools. I have a friend who’s an admin at a community college in Michigan that just moved all their student’s email accounts over to gmail… No cost to the college. From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.commailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they’ve been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office “cloud” model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I’m sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it’s been free. I also don’t think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent
Re: Is Exchange Doomed?
2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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well, i think that both you and i know that it wasn't really that simple (in regards to the auto industry). insofar as pharma is concerned - if someone else can take a business requirement and do it better, cheaper, faster than you can - i think you should let them do it. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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and yes, to a certain extent i agree with you both. however, IMHO, this is why we have contracts (both internal and external) for SLAs and OLAs. there is absolutely no assurance (in my experience) that internal personnel can provide better overall performance than external personnel. in fact, if that were true, i would fail as a consultant - because internal folks would be able to work me out of my value to a company. From: Jeremy Phillips [jere...@cohesivelogic.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? To a certain extent I would agree with Kurt. You really never know what kind of attention those internal operations will be given by 3rd party providers, regardless of what they tell you they are going to do. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? It is indeed more complicated than that, but it still was a large part of it. Email management and other IT functions are overhead, to be sure, but I think it's a grave mistake to put so much internal process into the hands of outsiders, for many reasons. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:06, Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com wrote: well, i think that both you and i know that it wasn't really that simple (in regards to the auto industry). insofar as pharma is concerned - if someone else can take a business requirement and do it better, cheaper, faster than you can - i think you should let them do it. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~�� �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj�~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~�� �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj�~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
MIcheal, what kind of TV do you have, I'm looking to buy not inferior as well. ;-) (but serious too) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
I'm sorry ME2 but this is pretty lame. There are too many different US and foreign auto companies to make this generalization. I'm sure you can cite examples of what you are trying to say but there are many examples of cars that fit the description larger body lines, more sway, less control that are made by non US companies. That sounds to me like you are describing most of Toyota's lineup. Look, I'm not trying to start some kind of flame war or anything like that but I really have a problem with your last statement. With the economy the way it is and so many US citizens without jobs why wouldn't people want to try and help by buying local. I don't accept the argument about quality anymore. I guess it is all good while WE have a job right? -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:33 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
I just found 56 in my local area for sale with less than 200k. most have less than 50k. Do I win a prize or something? -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
A slightly used Subaru! On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Eric Wittersheim ewittersh...@aasmnet.orgwrote: I just found 56 in my local area for sale with less than 200k. most have less than 50k. Do I win a prize or something? -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
That W engine of theirs is an interesting piece of design and engineering work. -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Subarus have boxer (flat) motors - you're confusing them with the Volkswagen group. Good cars nevertheless. My honda has 217000 miles on it. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud - Original Message - From: Campbell, Rob rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thu Jun 25 17:25:25 2009 Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) That W engine of theirs is an interesting piece of design and engineering work. -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from
RE: Is Exchange Doomed?
There are people moving from hosted to in-house solutions as well. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? It is indeed more complicated than that, but it still was a large part of it. Email management and other IT functions are overhead, to be sure, but I think it's a grave mistake to put so much internal process into the hands of outsiders, for many reasons. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:06, Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com wrote: well, i think that both you and i know that it wasn't really that simple (in regards to the auto industry). insofar as pharma is concerned - if someone else can take a business requirement and do it better, cheaper, faster than you can - i think you should let them do it. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Is Exchange Doomed?
Indeed. Furthermore, there is no assurance at all that external people can improve on what internal personnel can accomplish. Sometimes there is a place and others, notsomuch. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? and yes, to a certain extent i agree with you both. however, IMHO, this is why we have contracts (both internal and external) for SLAs and OLAs. there is absolutely no assurance (in my experience) that internal personnel can provide better overall performance than external personnel. in fact, if that were true, i would fail as a consultant - because internal folks would be able to work me out of my value to a company. From: Jeremy Phillips [jere...@cohesivelogic.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? To a certain extent I would agree with Kurt. You really never know what kind of attention those internal operations will be given by 3rd party providers, regardless of what they tell you they are going to do. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? It is indeed more complicated than that, but it still was a large part of it. Email management and other IT functions are overhead, to be sure, but I think it's a grave mistake to put so much internal process into the hands of outsiders, for many reasons. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:06, Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com wrote: well, i think that both you and i know that it wasn't really that simple (in regards to the auto industry). insofar as pharma is concerned - if someone else can take a business requirement and do it better, cheaper, faster than you can - i think you should let them do it. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~�� �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj�~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~�� �� http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninj�~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Is Exchange Doomed?
Seems like nobody's ever happy with what they have, it seems! :) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 14:57, William Lefkovics will...@lefkovics.net wrote: There are people moving from hosted to in-house solutions as well. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? It is indeed more complicated than that, but it still was a large part of it. Email management and other IT functions are overhead, to be sure, but I think it's a grave mistake to put so much internal process into the hands of outsiders, for many reasons. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:06, Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com wrote: well, i think that both you and i know that it wasn't really that simple (in regards to the auto industry). insofar as pharma is concerned - if someone else can take a business requirement and do it better, cheaper, faster than you can - i think you should let them do it. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Maybe so. Around here they're hard to find. -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I just found 56 in my local area for sale with less than 200k. most have less than 50k. Do I win a prize or something? -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Eric Wittersheimewittersh...@aasmnet.org wrote: Look, I'm not trying to start some kind of flame war or anything like that but I really have a problem with your last statement. It really irks me when people say they don't want a discussion and then proceed to give their opinion anyway. If you really don't want a discussion, hit Delete or Next. You don't get to state your opinion but then declare the discussion closed. With the economy the way it is and so many US citizens without jobs why wouldn't people want to try and help by buying local. There are two problems with that. One is that, under the capitalistic system the US nominally subscribes to, buying an inferior product rewards the behavior which led to the inferior product and eliminates the incentive for improvement. Product quality tends to actually decline in this scenario. I would argue that the whole Buy American regardless of quality! attitude some people expose has *contributed* to the problems with the US industry. The industry had a nice cushion of people who would buy crap no matter what. Had being the key word. The other problem is that, as you note, the auto industry is very global. Want to buy an import? Buy a Ford Fusion. They're built in Mexico. Or you could buy a car made in America -- like a Toyota Corolla. I don't accept the argument about quality anymore. You're free to to not accept it, of course, but you're just denying reality in that event. Which again goes back to why the US automakers are in trouble. (Many import brands have better quality than Chrysler and GM. (Ford appears to have made significant improvement.) This is evidenced by any number of objective measurements, in particular, reported longevity and repairs.) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Is Exchange Doomed?
It's true. But then, how many are still running Lotus Notes R5? Exchange 5.0? Companies get new management who want their own 'stamp' on their department. Technology and company needs are dynamic. What fit yesterday may not tomorrow. The grass is always greener it seems. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Seems like nobody's ever happy with what they have, it seems! :) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 14:57, William Lefkovics will...@lefkovics.net wrote: There are people moving from hosted to in-house solutions as well. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? It is indeed more complicated than that, but it still was a large part of it. Email management and other IT functions are overhead, to be sure, but I think it's a grave mistake to put so much internal process into the hands of outsiders, for many reasons. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:06, Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com wrote: well, i think that both you and i know that it wasn't really that simple (in regards to the auto industry). insofar as pharma is concerned - if someone else can take a business requirement and do it better, cheaper, faster than you can - i think you should let them do it. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Is Exchange Doomed?
Or groupwise. We're apparently going to take the plunge into exchange in the next several months, although as near as I can tell, we don't really gain anything except a much bigger bill. William Lefkovics will...@lefkovics.net 6/25/2009 3:41 PM It's true. But then, how many are still running Lotus Notes R5? Exchange 5.0? Companies get new management who want their own 'stamp' on their department. Technology and company needs are dynamic. What fit yesterday may not tomorrow. The grass is always greener it seems. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Seems like nobody's ever happy with what they have, it seems! :) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 14:57, William Lefkovics will...@lefkovics.net wrote: There are people moving from hosted to in-house solutions as well. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? It is indeed more complicated than that, but it still was a large part of it. Email management and other IT functions are overhead, to be sure, but I think it's a grave mistake to put so much internal process into the hands of outsiders, for many reasons. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:06, Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com wrote: well, i think that both you and i know that it wasn't really that simple (in regards to the auto industry). insofar as pharma is concerned - if someone else can take a business requirement and do it better, cheaper, faster than you can - i think you should let them do it. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
rofl From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) A slightly used Subaru! On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Eric Wittersheim ewittersh...@aasmnet.org wrote: I just found 56 in my local area for sale with less than 200k. most have less than 50k. Do I win a prize or something? -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Maglinger, Paulpmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. I bought my Forrester new in May 2000 and it now has 185K miles on it. I haven't had any surprising problems. The clutch was replaced last year, but at 160K it's not like it owed me anything. The catalytic converter needs to be replaced now to pass emissions; same deal. And it's great in New England snow. I've pulled people out of snowbanks with that little SUV. Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) - Sean On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Maglinger, Paulpmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. I bought my Forrester new in May 2000 and it now has 185K miles on it. I haven't had any surprising problems. The clutch was replaced last year, but at 160K it's not like it owed me anything. The catalytic converter needs to be replaced now to pass emissions; same deal. And it's great in New England snow. I've pulled people out of snowbanks with that little SUV. Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Is Exchange Doomed?
More like, at a low introductory price. I'd be willing to bet after their licensing department goes over the paperwork, they'll figure a way to make you buy some type of CAL once you're hooked. From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Microsoft is pretty buying the seats when they do this. I've bid against Microsoft on some of these large customers. Microsoft comes to the table saying no exchange licenses, and we'll sell it to you for nearly nothing a month It is very hard to complete... 120k users you care looking at 2-20 million dollars in CALs alone plus hardware (5-20m), plus administration(1-2m a year).. etc.. Compare that with 50-500k a month and the dollars and upper management start making up your mind for you. ~Kevinm WLKMMAS- This message is Certified Swine Flu Free My life http://www.hedonists.ca http://www.hedonists.ca/ From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Leave it to Microsoft marketing to come up with Business POS... J From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Not true. Glaxo-Smith-Kline (GSK, one of the largest drug companies in the world) is in the process of moving 120,000 (yes, 120K) seats to Microsoft's BPOS solution. They aren't the first, and they won't be the last. I know too much about this particular move that isn't public - but the fact that it is happening is known and public information. From: Maglinger, Paul [pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I believe there is too much corporate paranoia for a 3rd party email solution on large companies. Small and medium businesses however... From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they've been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office cloud model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I'm sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it's been free. I also don't think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps? 1.75 million USERS I would believe, not businesses. Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud service too. It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable competition. Carl From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Is Exchange Doomed? http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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They advertise $10/user/mo + add'l services on their Exchange Online site. Are you suggesting that they will severely undercut that to sell the service? MS approached us about 2 years ago when I was working on the beginning of my Exchange 2007 transition plans. They had less than 20 customers on it and most of the names that they could tell us were large customers 10-100k+ seats. Doing the math, it doesn't seem like a worthy investment unless there are some huge price breaks. Fast forward to today, we are now looking at our costs to run the part of my Messaging infrastructure - Exchange and BB, perhaps to consider looking at the Exchange Online option again. At those rates, I don't see the benefit... Those of you who work for or own an EHS business, how do your customers, who use MAPI only for connectivity, connect up? Just use Outlook Anywhere? We had to look at several dedicated WAN links to the various MS datacenters globally for our users...and those costs add up quick. There's also the problem with internal relay options...internal application integration(CRM type of products) - JB From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Microsoft is pretty buying the seats when they do this. I've bid against Microsoft on some of these large customers. Microsoft comes to the table saying no exchange licenses, and we'll sell it to you for nearly nothing a month It is very hard to complete... 120k users you care looking at 2-20 million dollars in CALs alone plus hardware (5-20m), plus administration(1-2m a year).. etc.. Compare that with 50-500k a month and the dollars and upper management start making up your mind for you. ~Kevinm WLKMMAS- This message is Certified Swine Flu Free My life http://www.hedonists.cahttp://www.hedonists.ca/ From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Leave it to Microsoft marketing to come up with Business POS... :) From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Not true. Glaxo-Smith-Kline (GSK, one of the largest drug companies in the world) is in the process of moving 120,000 (yes, 120K) seats to Microsoft's BPOS solution. They aren't the first, and they won't be the last. I know too much about this particular move that isn't public - but the fact that it is happening is known and public information. From: Maglinger, Paul [pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I believe there is too much corporate paranoia for a 3rd party email solution on large companies. Small and medium businesses however... From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they've been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office cloud model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I'm sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it's been free. I also don't think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps? 1.75 million USERS I would believe, not businesses. Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud service too. It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable competition. Carl From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Is Exchange Doomed? http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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BPOS solution? Could someone translate that for me, please? John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Not true. Glaxo-Smith-Kline (GSK, one of the largest drug companies in the world) is in the process of moving 120,000 (yes, 120K) seats to Microsoft's BPOS solution. They aren't the first, and they won't be the last. I know too much about this particular move that isn't public - but the fact that it is happening is known and public information. From: Maglinger, Paul [pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I believe there is too much corporate paranoia for a 3rd party email solution on large companies. Small and medium businesses however... From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they’ve been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office “cloud” model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I’m sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it’s been free. I also don’t think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps? 1.75 million USERS I would believe, not businesses. Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud service too. It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable competition. Carl From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Is Exchange Doomed? http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Google WHAT? From: William Lefkovics [will...@lefkovics.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Wouldn’t surprise me… darn seafood buffet. Smelled similar to Google Customer Service. From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? Was that what I smelled? On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:53 PM, William Lefkovics will...@lefkovics.netmailto:will...@lefkovics.net wrote: I was with you right up to the ‘Gmail is great’ part and then I tasted some throwup in my mouth. From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.commailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they’ve been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office “cloud” model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I’m sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it’s been free. I also don’t think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps? 1.75 million USERS I would believe, not businesses. Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud service too. It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable competition. Carl From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.commailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Is Exchange Doomed? http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Is Exchange Doomed?
Not true. Glaxo-Smith-Kline (GSK, one of the largest drug companies in the world) is in the process of moving 120,000 (yes, 120K) seats to Microsoft's BPOS solution. They aren't the first, and they won't be the last. I know too much about this particular move that isn't public - but the fact that it is happening is known and public information. From: Maglinger, Paul [pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I believe there is too much corporate paranoia for a 3rd party email solution on large companies. Small and medium businesses however... From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they’ve been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office “cloud” model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I’m sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it’s been free. I also don’t think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps? 1.75 million USERS I would believe, not businesses. Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud service too. It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable competition. Carl From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Is Exchange Doomed? http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Google licensed EAS from Microsoft for some very specific applications. They did not acquire a general license. From: Sam Cayze [sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Nobody mentioned the interesting fact that Google licensed EAS from Microsoft? Google licensed EAS from Microsoft. There it is. I don't think MS is worried. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I can't think that anyone is scared that Exchange will go away. I think that a number of vendors are concerned that Microsoft is pushing - really hard - SMORGs to the cloud. From: Louis, Joe [jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Naw. Different CC. I’m curious though as to what 3rd party Exchange vendors think about this article. None of the ones that I deal with are scaling back on their offerings on the fear that Google/Cloud computing will replace Exchange. Stu? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? If you mean MCC, then yes. :) From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? OCC the school? From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I too find it hard to believe that Gmail would be replacing Exchange in any organization that really uses Exchange for more than passing email messages back and forth… Gmail just doesn’t have the same feature set yet… I use gmail to host my own personal domain and I have a number of friends who do too. The main reason I went with Google is because it was free. The ads aren’t intrusive, so I can deal with them. I wouldn’t be surprised if my domain and theirs were counted in the 1.75 million businesses who are using Google apps.. how do they know I’m not a business? So, the number may be accurate as far as Google’s counting on the number of group “domains” but it still likely doesn’t provide the whole picture. I can confirm that Google is offering their service for free to schools. I have a friend who’s an admin at a community college in Michigan that just moved all their student’s email accounts over to gmail… No cost to the college. From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they’ve been saying that for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office “cloud” model. Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none of them had Exchange. And I’m sure the schools are getting a huge break on it (if not for free). Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it’s been free. I also don’t think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a cost to the end user. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps? 1.75 million USERS I would believe, not businesses. Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud service too. It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable competition. Carl From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Is Exchange Doomed? http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Shockingly, it's happening. A number of my hosted Exchange clients handle confidential customer information. From: Campbell, Rob [rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? I can’t see any company that handles any kind of confidential customer information letting their corporate email outside the firewall. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps? 1.75 million USERS I would believe, not businesses. Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud service too. It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable competition. Carl From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Is Exchange Doomed? http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
