[expert] Using Startx instead of kdm
Hi all, I would like to stop using kdm, and have my machine boot to a shell prompt. How do I stop using a window manager login? Also, if I do want to start a window manager from the shell, I know it's startx. But how do I change the wm that gets started? startx gnome? startx xfce? TIA, Bill. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Startx instead of kdm
In /etc/inittab change id:5:initdefault: to id:3:initdefault: startx KDE, startx Gnome, startx XFce, etc A better way is to use Xtart. To install it: urpmi Xtart Then don't use startx at all. Just type Xtart and it will present you with a short text menu of available WindowManagers. On Saturday 12 October 2002 07:44 am, Bill Witherspoon wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to stop using kdm, and have my machine boot > to a shell prompt. How do I stop using a window manager login? > > Also, if I do want to start a window manager from the shell, > I know it's startx. But how do I change the wm that gets > started? startx gnome? startx xfce? > > TIA, > Bill. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A question for real experts :)
James Sparenberg wrote: > > Pierre, > >Lets see Cisco, running DS3's between Campuses... Owns the lines, Yep > I think they would know the current state of the system. Just cause > it's a DS3 doesn't mean its a commercial line. Never used it my self > for anything greater than a t-1 (proved that the line pulled in was > faulty *grin*) I've also used it to trace down bad dslam's for a couple > of folks I know. Many things could cause the problem one of the reasons > you're getting flaky numbers could be the problem you are looking for. > > Pierre, Please resist the urge to flame... too many people carry blow > torches. > > James > > FLAME! Hell, I come from the seditious sixties, and I carry napalm for those flaming moments... drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Startx instead of kdm
Yo, If you reconfigure your display settings in Mandrake Control Center, it will ask you if you want to start X after boot up. Just tell it no. If that don't work, just delete the start-up script in the appropriate runnlevel. Usually it's runnlevel 5, on mien it's rc5.d/S30dm for display manager. Hope that helps. On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 16:44, Bill Witherspoon wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to stop using kdm, and have my machine boot > to a shell prompt. How do I stop using a window manager login? > > Also, if I do want to start a window manager from the shell, > I know it's startx. But how do I change the wm that gets > started? startx gnome? startx xfce? > > TIA, > Bill. > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Has anybody tried to install NVidia Drivers for mandrake9.0?
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Roberto Armenteros uttered these words of wisdom: >Nvidia has drivers for MD 8.2 not for 9.0. In case >anybody has successfuly installed the 8.2 drivers >successfuly please I would appreciate if you can tell >me how everything went. > > THanks a lot, >Rob. Actually, there are mandrake 9.0 drivers on the nvidia website - I just installed them last weekend. When you get to the nvidia / linux website, scroll to the bottom of the drivers list and you should see them. Mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com < Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] New video card advice
Thanks so much Todd; it seems so easy. -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Departamento de Biología Vegetal Universidad de Murcia E-30100 Murcia España (Spain) El Sáb 12 Oct 2002 02:49, Todd Flinders escribió: > After you install the GeForce4, download and install the Nvidia drivers for > Mandrake 9.0 either from the Mandrake Club or a contrib directory. Then > run XFdrake or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand (XFdrake is probably > preferred). Then you should be able to start X. > > When X is running, bring up a terminal and type: > glxinfo | grep render > > You should see: > direct rendering: Yes > > On Friday 11 October 2002 04:41 pm, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I have decided what video card buy: a NVIDIA Geforce4; I have seen 5 > > different models: > > > > GeForce4 MX 460 > > GeForce4 MX 440 w/AGP 8x > > GeForce4 MX 440 > > GeForce4 MX 440-SE > > GeForce4 MX 420 > > > > All with 64MB Ram, being the first the most powerfull. -- > > > > Does anyone have experienced with one of this card and Mandrake 8.2 or > > 9.0? > > > > Could you recommend me any of them? > > > > Is possible with a 9.0 installed using a Voodoo3 3000 change the video > > card and install the new one or do I need to install again Mandrake 9, > > then the NVIDIa files and then the Config XFree86 files changes? > > > > Thanks a lot in advance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Adding a ATA 100 drive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Having never used the two HPT370 ide ports on my Soyo 6BA+100 motherboard, I wanted to put my new IBM 80GB ATA 100 drive into my existing Mandrake 8.2 box. The kernel 'sees' the drive as hde and identifies it but hangs during boot with a message like: Partition Check : /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0 If I boot with the lilo command line: 'linux hde=noprobe' I can get the system to boot but there isn't any '/dev/hde' or '/dev/ide/host2' I have 'append="devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi' in my lilo.conf file. The system runs fine otherwise. I know the drive is working since I temporarily made it a slave on the primary ide (hdb) and was able to partition and format the drive that way. HELP! Do I need to load a driver and make a new initrd? I don't want to wait for my copy of 9.0 to arrive before I play with this drive at high speed. TIA - -- KevinO Matz's Law: A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE9p9VLjBS1mMJB+bQRAqgdAKCSeviKdSNhkyy8iWByc9CKlnDzcgCghWYm 1kWqBs3/mpbKJ/ZONluOxZI= =toJQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] mysql does not start on boot (V9.0)
With MKD 9.0 mysql does not start automaticall durring boot (Service is marked "to start on boot"). I have to start mysql manually. Has anybody a hint what do do? W. Kasberg -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] [Cooker] cdrecord error
Hi! After installing Mdk 9.0 all went fine and my Teac IDE was installed over ide-scsi. After a try with gcombust and gtoaster I was not able to burn. For debugging I started the following burning session with just one simple file. There seems to be something burned but as you can see in the following logs there is an error after just a few seconds. If you need some more information don't hesitate to ask ... Thanks Steffen --- Calling: /usr/lib/xcdroast-0.98/bin/xcdrwrap CDRECORD dev= "0,1,0" fs=4096k -v driveropts=burnfree speed=12 -dummy -eject -pad tsize=109760s - scsidev: '0,1,0' scsibus: 0 target: 1 lun: 0 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24 Cdrecord 1.11a32 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' Driveropts: 'burnfree' atapi: 1 Device type: Removable CD-ROM Version: 0 Response Format: 1 Vendor_info: 'TEAC' Identifikation : 'CD-W512EB ' Revision : '2.0B' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R Drive buf size : 3462144 = 3381 KB FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB Track 01: data 214 MB padsize: 30 KB Total size: 246 MB (24:23.69) = 109777 sectors Lout start: 246 MB (24:25/52) = 109777 sectors Current Secsize: 2048 ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 5 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type B, low Beta category (B-) (4) ATIP start of lead in: -12369 (97:17/06) ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74) Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 69 Manufacturer: Moser Baer India Limited Manufacturer is guessed because of the orange forum embargo. The orange forum likes to get money for recent information. The information for this media may not be correct. Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: 250072 Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 12 in dummy TAO mode for single session. 0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. BURN-Free is OFF. Turning BURN-Free on Starting new track at sector: 0 cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 2A 00 00 00 00 D9 00 00 1F 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 24 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x24 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in cdb) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 0.022s timeout 40s Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 write track data: error after 16 bytes Writing time:9.301s Fixating... WARNING: Some drives don't like fixation in dummy mode. Fixating time: 23.782s Average write speed 157.7x. cdrecord: fifo had 71 puts and 8 gets. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Adding a ATA 100 drive
Hi, I had my abit kT7-raid working fine with mdk8.2, it also has a hpt370 raid. hpt support is next to nothing, they wrote an "opensource" driver but as so many other companys have done, this is far from open. Its not compatible with the kernel licence. 8,2 worked fine out the box, and also fine after i rebuilt the kernel 2.4.19. Did not need a initrd at all. Now its running mkd9 with stock kernel fine. Perhaps you should try upgrading your kernel by hand or just wait for mdk9 JG KevinO wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Having never used the two HPT370 ide ports on my Soyo 6BA+100 motherboard, I wanted to put my new IBM 80GB ATA 100 drive into my existing Mandrake 8.2 box. The kernel 'sees' the drive as hde and identifies it but hangs during boot with a message like: Partition Check : /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0 If I boot with the lilo command line: 'linux hde=noprobe' I can get the system to boot but there isn't any '/dev/hde' or '/dev/ide/host2' I have 'append="devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi' in my lilo.conf file. The system runs fine otherwise. I know the drive is working since I temporarily made it a slave on the primary ide (hdb) and was able to partition and format the drive that way. HELP! Do I need to load a driver and make a new initrd? I don't want to wait for my copy of 9.0 to arrive before I play with this drive at high speed. TIA - -- KevinO Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Logging and SQL
Is there any way to get Mandrake to write its log files to SQL tables so that queries on the logs can easily be written using PHP/MySQL? Perhpas this should be a wish list item? Mark St John's Church, Polegate - Making Disciples of Jesus Christ This email is intended solely for the addressee and is strictly confidential. If you are not the addressee, please do not read, print, transmit, store or act in reliance on it or any attachments. Instead, please delete the message from your computer. St John's Church accepts no liability for changes made to this email (and any attachments) after it was sent, or for viruses arising as a result of this email transmission. Any unauthorised reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email message is strictly prohibited. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] linux on large number of computers
i would like to deploy linux on my whole network "large number of computers".. but i want to know that is there any way i can customize my instalations ? i mean if i would like all clients to have a fix sets of programs for example open office , gimp ,mozilla etc etc can this be done ? how ? thanks = *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] linux on large number of computers
sure, just do the installation as expert and at the end, when it asks you to reboot, the is an expert option. click on it and you get an option to create an auto-install floppy, Alternatively, you can do the some in your mandrake control center under the boot tab. On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 14:19, faisal gillani wrote: > i would like to deploy linux on my whole network > "large number of computers".. but i want to know that > is there any way i can customize my instalations ? i > mean if i would like all clients to have a fix sets of > programs for example open office , gimp ,mozilla etc > etc > can this be done ? how ? > > thanks > > = > *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Network Interfaces at boot time?
On Friday 11 October 2002 08:45 pm, John O'Shaughnessy wrote: > Greetings, > > I've got a Dell Latitude C400 with mandrake 9.0. > > There is: > 1. Inboard Ethernet (always present) > 2. Dock Ethernet (present only when docked) > 3. Wireless Ethernet PC Card (present only when inserted -- could be either > docked or undocked. > > When I installed the system, eth0 was the internal interface, eth1 was the > dock, and wireless was added later, showing up as eth2. > > Now, when I try to book undocked, the system freezes trying to bring up > eth1, which, I'm assuming, means it is looking for the Dock Ethernet, which > isn't there. I need to power down, or CTRL-ALT-DEL to get out of the > situation. > > Is there a way to make the system understand that the interfaces may or may > not be present, or at the very least, not to hang when not docked? John, If you run Mandrake Control Center and go to the Networking module, you will be able to create separate profiles for each NIC in your laptop. I haven't used that before, so I can't vouch for its abilities... -- Dave Sherman| "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA| to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." |- Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] SOLVED !! Iomega Zip not detected under v9.0
Mr Klar, I personally solved my problem - it has been difficult, and for a stupid reason : I simply did not know LiLo enough, and did not run /sbin/lilo after setting "devfs=nomount" in /etc/lilo.conf : why ? Because I have been using Grub for years, and when you change Grub's configuration, you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, that's all ! Mandrake 9.0 is shipped with LiLo by default, I tried to change to Grub, as I wanted to remove the boot GUI in order to have a clean text screen; with DrakConf it does not seem possible, LiLo or Grub bring to the same graphic window, so I kept LiLo, never mind. I can say also that I edit my configuration files by hand, not using DrakConf - because I am an old Unix user/admin, and I still remember when Linux GUIs where not so stable. And also, I dislike GUIs, generally ! But DrakConf is aware of the need of running LiLo after changing the configuration. So when I tried to disable devfs, I did everything as I used to do in Mandrake 8.2 with Grub : I set "devfs=nomount" in the bootloader configuration file (unfortunately, it was this time /etc/lilo.conf) and removed S99devfsd from /etc/rc5.d. And I did NOT run /sbin/lilo. But I used lilo years ago, maybe with an early Slackware, and I learned it a litlle. Also, I searched a little bit more with Google, because of that hdc4 (my previous post), it looked like I did not disable devfs ! and I finally remembered that you HAVE to run /sbin/lilo each time you change its configuration file !!! It is a nasty trap, maybe I should write to the LiLo maintainers, they could write in a default /etc/lilo.conf that you have to run /sbin/lilo in order to register the changes. The conclusion is that devfs is not stable yet. On Friday 11 October 2002 21:21, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SICN wrote: > I haven't tried mcc, however I have tried linuxconf. > No success there > I will try when I get home removing hdb from lilo.conf. > I don't recall if I have tried that in my attempts tho. > > Thanks, > > Brian D. Klar - CVE > OTS > WPAFB > > -Original Message- > From: Charles A Edwards [mailto:eslrahc@;bellsouth.net] > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] Iomega Zip not detected under v9.0 > > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:50:12 -0400 > > Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SICN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > mcc/mount points ?? > > mcc=Mandrake Control Center then select Mount Points where you can > graphically set the mount points for your devices and set their > attributes. > > It is supposed to now not be necessary but boot with hdb=ide-scsi in > your lilo appends then try accessing the drive with the sda4 fstab > listing. > > I have 5 systems with zip drives, 3 USB and 2 ide, and all work well but > of these only 1, a USB, is a clean 9.0 install all the others are > updated cookers. > > > Charles > > --- > A homeowner's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a weekend for? > -- > Charles A Edwards > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- -- Robert Grasso @home --- UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Can't start licq as normal user.
On Friday 11 October 2002 11:15 pm, Todd Flinders wrote: > Licq is working just fine for me. However, I did bring over my ~/.licq > directory from 8.2. > > Can you show us what you see when you type licq&? You might be getting > some error messages which would help us to troubleshoot the problem. = [charles@chuck charles]$ licq& [1] 9909 [charles@chuck charles]$ 09:44:44: [WRN] Licq: Ignoring stale lockfile (pid 9776) fcntl: Bad file descriptor fcntl: Bad file descriptor fcntl: Bad file descriptor fcntl: Bad file descriptor fcntl: Bad file descriptor fcntl: Bad file descriptor Licq Segmentation Violation Detected. Backtrace: /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 [0x40129e55] Attempting to generate core file. = > On Friday 11 October 2002 08:54 pm, Ken Thompson wrote: > > Subject about sez it all. > > I've changed permissions both as user and as root. > > I have them set at rwx for ugo right now and the durn thing still has to > > be started from a root console.. System Fresh install of MDK 9.0, Athalon > > 1200 512 Mb mem Epox 8KTA3L.. All was working just fine in 8.2.. Another > > thing, after following the thread on the 250Mb Zip, I found that the > > 100Mb Zip has the same problem, will not mount at all.. Again this *total > > system has been working fine under 8.2 and I've made no changes to the > > hardware.. One improvement I did notice was the way my Matrox 540 Dual > > head card was configured *out if the box*, nice. > > Any body else having these problems?? any solutions found yet? > > TIA, > > Ken Thompson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A question for real experts :)
On Saturday 12 October 2002 11:17 am, J. Craig Woods wrote: > James Sparenberg wrote: > > Pierre, > > > >Lets see Cisco, running DS3's between Campuses... Owns the lines, Yep > > I think they would know the current state of the system. Just cause > > it's a DS3 doesn't mean its a commercial line. Never used it my self > > for anything greater than a t-1 (proved that the line pulled in was > > faulty *grin*) I've also used it to trace down bad dslam's for a couple > > of folks I know. Many things could cause the problem one of the reasons > > you're getting flaky numbers could be the problem you are looking for. > > > > Pierre, Please resist the urge to flame... too many people carry blow > > torches. > > > > James > > FLAME! Hell, I come from the seditious sixties, and I carry napalm for > those flaming moments... > > drjung Dr.Jung, may I make a suggestion regarding the storage of napalm keeping the fuel separate from the soap, will allow you to "rotate the stock" thereby keeping the freshest possible ingredients, and insuring the brightest color flames possible Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [Cooker] cdrecord error
On Saturday 12 October 2002 02:08 am, Steffen Barszus wrote: > dummy -eject -pad tsize=109760s - Make sure to un check make dummy run first ... I get's me every time.. Also, I've had the best result by not using any padding YMMV. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Odd printer action?
I posted this to the newbie list first, no replies - so here goes: This is really odd - my HP DeskJet 694C has always worked. Well, its usually not auto-detected during installation but I've always managed to set it up between CUPS and XPP. Anyways, now whenever I boot up, just at the end of the boot up messages, the green light on the printer flashes once, then the orange light starts blinking continuously. The printer is basically unresponsive at this point. I can turn it off and on (waiting for up to 1 minute between) and it still goes right back to the blinking orange light. I can do a shutdown -r now, and once the computer gets to the password (in BIOS), I can turn the printer back off then on, and its fine again. Until I continue booting up, then once again, near the end of Mandrake's bootup messages (this is before I login as any user), it does it again. For those not familiar with the 694C, the orange light is a "catch all" light that will blink for various different reasons. I pulled my printer manual out and looked thru the troubleshooting section but nothing stood out. Just in case, yes there is paper in the printer You can't print anything at all - times out... The only things I've been fooling with lately are postfix/fetchmail/procmail and I don't see how that has anything to do with this. Just in case though, I turned these services off, and rebooted - made no difference. I'm using Mandrake v8.2 at this time. Anyone have any ideas? PS I know it might just be going bad butit doesn't seem right that it only blinks once Mandrake boots. If I don't get any sem-useful hints here, I'll take it into my sons' room and hook it up to his comp (which dual boots Windoze... Thanks much! -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Iomega Zip not detected under v9.0
On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 17:11, Robert Grasso wrote: > You are right, I tried it two days ago, unsuccessfully. But I was confused by > the transformation of HardDrake into a GUI, and I assumed - well, that the > detection of new hardware was suppressed, that harddrake only could display > the existing hardware - so after some fighting, research, I finally > understood. I tried again right now to set "devfs=nomount", without any more > success. > you did run lilo didn't you? I work in customer service, i'm sorry - I had to ask ;) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Iomega Zip not detected under v9.0
On Saturday 12 October 2002 16:05, Colin Rose wrote: > On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 17:11, Robert Grasso wrote: > > You are right, I tried it two days ago, unsuccessfully. But I was > > confused by the transformation of HardDrake into a GUI, and I assumed - > > well, that the detection of new hardware was suppressed, that harddrake > > only could display the existing hardware - so after some fighting, > > research, I finally understood. I tried again right now to set > > "devfs=nomount", without any more success. > > you did run lilo didn't you? > I work in customer service, i'm sorry - I had to ask ;) Never mind, it has been a good training ! Just a bit exasperating ;-) but it's our job ! I am also doing support, and Linux support is slowly increasing among my users - in some way it's good that I find the solution myself, now I do know that one must run /sbin/lilo ! These times I was much more involved in security : DMZ and anti-spam, so grub and lilo were far away from me ! -- Robert Grasso @home --- UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A question for real experts :)
On 11 Oct 2002 20:33:53 -0700 James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pierre back down Please. This is a neat tool yes. It does have it's > place yes. It doesn't add any more traffic than normal pings. Neat tools in the hands to those who are troubleshooting are fine, especially when used correctly... my flame was directed at those who just use troubleshooting tools to see some cool display which does nothing more than warm their hearts when things are fine, then causes them to whine when everybody else (other than themselves) does the same thing and impacts the "neat", "cool" display that now makes them think things are no longer good... > Take a > look at the tool and it's algorithms. You'll find that the numbers it > produces are only accurate on a Lan but over a connection from say an > office to the local Telco, level 3 etc etc. It can be very useful for > providing proof that Your Unix box isn't the reason you've been > experiencing a 40% drop in traffic speed over the last 3 months. (Yes > Level 3 and Pac Hell have both told me that our Linux Firewalls and > servers were the reason that our t-3 had intermittent speed drops of 75% > or more at really unusual times.) As if running M$ crap would suddenly > make a bad fiber splice good again. (Bing proved the slowdown. and an > OTDR showed the location of the break.) Again, that was NOT my beef... BTW, Jack and I corresponded offline and while the problem he initially decribed was low throughput on a DS-3, the problem was in a LAN switch feeding the DS-3 -- I don't have all the details; but if the switch was droppig into 10mbps mode as he suggested at one point, that would limit the DS-3 throughput to that same 10mbps... actually, he told me 10 one way and 5 the other... BUT, he also had a level of CRC errors which was too high for comfort; but not enough diagnostic output from one device to further characterize them... Tools are great when used by those that understand their use, impact, effectiveness and affect on what's being measured, etc... those who go "Oh! COOL tool!" are often not in that category. Anyway Jack's problem was "solved" by replacing a bad switch. The biggest problem I see on the 'net is the total incompetence at many ISPs (most haven't even heard of an OTDR); but that's for another rant... :^) Suffice it to say, ISPs have lots of diagnostic information available; the biggest problem is that they don't have the foggiest idea where it is, or how to look at it, let alone analyze it... Enjoy, Pierre Dr. J: let's see how many bite on this "lure"... :^) :^) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Odd printer action?
Ronald J. Hall wrote: Anyways, now whenever I boot up, just at the end of the boot up messages, the green light on the printer flashes once, then the orange light starts blinking continuously. The printer is basically unresponsive at this point. I can turn it off and on (waiting for up to 1 minute between) and it still goes right back to the blinking orange light. I have an HP 970Cxi with an orange light too. I have had a problem like yours and it was due to an error in printing the last job. Look in the print queue (K; Control Centre; System; Printing Manager; select your printer; hit the jobs tab in the lower half) and you might see a job stalled there indicating 'Error'. Every time you reset the printer, this same job gets re-presented. The clue is to remove, cancel, or hold this job. In my case, the right click, remove was ignored. Printing of subsequent jobs proceeded however, ignoring the stalled job, and after a renboot, the queue was clear again.If I am right, and you cannot remove this job, it may be necessary to do a little detective work to find where the actual print queue is (/var/???), and physically delete the file which is the bad job. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] IMPORTANT! troels... for Mandrake GNU/Linux 9.0 now available. See my web site: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Startx instead of kdm
Perfect! Thanks. It always buged me loading kdm to run Gnome, or Flux. On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:09:50 -0700 Todd Flinders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In /etc/inittab change id:5:initdefault: to id:3:initdefault: > > startx KDE, startx Gnome, startx XFce, etc > > A better way is to use Xtart. To install it: > urpmi Xtart > > Then don't use startx at all. Just type Xtart and it will present you with a > short text menu of available WindowManagers. > > On Saturday 12 October 2002 07:44 am, Bill Witherspoon wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I would like to stop using kdm, and have my machine boot > > to a shell prompt. How do I stop using a window manager login? > > > > Also, if I do want to start a window manager from the shell, > > I know it's startx. But how do I change the wm that gets > > started? startx gnome? startx xfce? > > > > TIA, > > Bill. > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Startx instead of kdm
Bill Witherspoon wrote: I would like to stop using kdm, and have my machine boot to a shell prompt. How do I stop using a window manager login? As root, edit /etc/inittab to change the initial runlevel from 5 to 3. Change the line: id:5:initdefault: to: id:3:initdefault: Did you know Dept: While kdm is running, you can log in to a terminal at runlevel 3 by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2 (or F3 or F4 or F5 or F6 - yes you can have 5 separate terminal logins!). To return to your kdm session just Ctrl+Alt+F7, then switch back and forth as you please. Also, if I do want to start a window manager from the shell, I know it's startx. But how do I change the wm that gets started? startx gnome? startx xfce? That I do not know, sorry... -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] IMPORTANT! troels... for Mandrake GNU/Linux 9.0 now available. See my web site: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] drakfirewall annoyance
Much like the evil spawn of linuxconf that it apparently is, drakfirewall will quietly destroy any shorewall modifications you've made. This can be annoying if you use a laptop with a wireless interface, a wired interface, and a vmware network interface. Since getting shorewall working again is a bit involved, if you've had to do any modifications you might want to tar up a copy of /etc/shorewall and chmod a-x /usr/sbin/drakfirewall. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Wordprocessors/Office Suites question
I have looked at of the sources that I can find and I have not found a Linux wordprocessor or office suite that will print envelopes WITH bar codes and mailing labels / disk labels? Would anyone care to please point me in a better direction? -- David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A question for real experts :)
Pierre Fortin wrote: > > The biggest problem I see on the 'net is the total incompetence at many > ISPs (most haven't even heard of an OTDR); but that's for another rant... > :^) Suffice it to say, ISPs have lots of diagnostic information > available; the biggest problem is that they don't have the foggiest idea > where it is, or how to look at it, let alone analyze it... > > Enjoy, > Pierre > > Dr. J: let's see how many bite on this "lure"... :^) :^) > Did someone mention DNS restructuring with, among many other benefits, greater security, IPv6 protocol, and alternate character encoding methods? Thanks to Ed, my napalm stock has been "rotated", and I am ready... drjung J. Craig Woods UNIX Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Can't start licq as normal user.
Hmm... odd. Without launching Licq, what do you see if you type: ps -ef|grep 9776 Also, do you have any old pid files in your ~/.licq? On Saturday 12 October 2002 08:45 am, Ken Thompson wrote: > On Friday 11 October 2002 11:15 pm, Todd Flinders wrote: > > Licq is working just fine for me. However, I did bring over my ~/.licq > > directory from 8.2. > > > > Can you show us what you see when you type licq&? You might be getting > > some error messages which would help us to troubleshoot the problem. > > = > [charles@chuck charles]$ licq& > [1] 9909 > [charles@chuck charles]$ 09:44:44: [WRN] Licq: Ignoring stale lockfile (pid > 9776) > fcntl: Bad file descriptor > fcntl: Bad file descriptor > fcntl: Bad file descriptor > fcntl: Bad file descriptor > fcntl: Bad file descriptor > fcntl: Bad file descriptor > Licq Segmentation Violation Detected. > Backtrace: > /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 [0x40129e55] > Attempting to generate core file. > = > > > On Friday 11 October 2002 08:54 pm, Ken Thompson wrote: > > > Subject about sez it all. > > > I've changed permissions both as user and as > > > root. I have them set at rwx for ugo right now and the durn thing > > > still has to be started from a root console.. System Fresh install of > > > MDK 9.0, Athalon 1200 512 Mb mem Epox 8KTA3L.. All was working just > > > fine in 8.2.. Another thing, after following the thread on the 250Mb > > > Zip, I found that the 100Mb Zip has the same problem, will not mount at > > > all.. Again this *total system has been working fine under 8.2 and I've > > > made no changes to the hardware.. One improvement I did notice was the > > > way my Matrox 540 Dual head card was configured *out if the box*, nice. > > > Any body else having these problems?? any solutions found yet? > > > TIA, > > > Ken Thompson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Startx instead of kdm
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Ron Stodden wrote: > Bill Witherspoon wrote: > > > I would like to stop using kdm, and have my machine boot > > to a shell prompt. How do I stop using a window manager login? > > As root, edit /etc/inittab to change the initial runlevel from 5 to 3. > > Change the line: > > id:5:initdefault: > > to: > > id:3:initdefault: > > Did you know Dept: > > While kdm is running, you can log in to a terminal at runlevel 3 by > pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2 (or F3 or F4 or F5 or F6 - yes you can have 5 > separate terminal logins!). > > To return to your kdm session just Ctrl+Alt+F7, then switch back and > forth as you please. To go back to the GUI Alt+F7 is all that's needed. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A question for real experts :)
On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 09:34, Pierre Fortin wrote: > On 11 Oct 2002 20:33:53 -0700 James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Pierre back down Please. This is a neat tool yes. It does have it's > > place yes. It doesn't add any more traffic than normal pings. > > Neat tools in the hands to those who are troubleshooting are fine, > especially when used correctly... my flame was directed at those who just > use troubleshooting tools to see some cool display which does nothing more > than warm their hearts when things are fine, then causes them to whine > when everybody else (other than themselves) does the same thing and > impacts the "neat", "cool" display that now makes them think things are no > longer good... > > > Take a > > look at the tool and it's algorithms. You'll find that the numbers it > > produces are only accurate on a Lan but over a connection from say an > > office to the local Telco, level 3 etc etc. It can be very useful for > > providing proof that Your Unix box isn't the reason you've been > > experiencing a 40% drop in traffic speed over the last 3 months. (Yes > > Level 3 and Pac Hell have both told me that our Linux Firewalls and > > servers were the reason that our t-3 had intermittent speed drops of 75% > > or more at really unusual times.) As if running M$ crap would suddenly > > make a bad fiber splice good again. (Bing proved the slowdown. and an > > OTDR showed the location of the break.) > > Again, that was NOT my beef... > > BTW, Jack and I corresponded offline and while the problem he initially > decribed was low throughput on a DS-3, the problem was in a LAN switch > feeding the DS-3 -- I don't have all the details; but if the switch was > droppig into 10mbps mode as he suggested at one point, that would limit > the DS-3 throughput to that same 10mbps... actually, he told me 10 one > way and 5 the other... > > BUT, he also had a level of CRC errors which was too high for comfort; but > not enough diagnostic output from one device to further characterize > them... > > Tools are great when used by those that understand their use, impact, > effectiveness and affect on what's being measured, etc... those who go > "Oh! COOL tool!" are often not in that category. > > Anyway Jack's problem was "solved" by replacing a bad switch. > > The biggest problem I see on the 'net is the total incompetence at many > ISPs (most haven't even heard of an OTDR); but that's for another rant... > :^) Suffice it to say, ISPs have lots of diagnostic information > available; the biggest problem is that they don't have the foggiest idea > where it is, or how to look at it, let alone analyze it... On the last point I agree. Problems stemmed from an era when if you could breath and say computer you got a job. (and if you were 19 it was even better.) Experience is however slowly rearing it's head. (Now if we can just keep the universities at bay for a few more years it might work *grin*) BTW I love Bing for doing long term tests on intermittent slowdowns. (Bad LAN switch being a good example of what I've used it for.) James > > Enjoy, > Pierre > > Dr. J: let's see how many bite on this "lure"... :^) :^) > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A question for real experts :)
On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 11:36, J. Craig Woods wrote: > Pierre Fortin wrote: > > > > The biggest problem I see on the 'net is the total incompetence at many > > ISPs (most haven't even heard of an OTDR); but that's for another rant... > > :^) Suffice it to say, ISPs have lots of diagnostic information > > available; the biggest problem is that they don't have the foggiest idea > > where it is, or how to look at it, let alone analyze it... > > > > Enjoy, > > Pierre > > > > Dr. J: let's see how many bite on this "lure"... :^) :^) > > > > Did someone mention DNS restructuring with, among many other benefits, > greater security, IPv6 protocol, and alternate character encoding > methods? Thanks to Ed, my napalm stock has been "rotated", and I am > ready... > > drjung OK Who's got my other asbestos sock!!! (Found the rest of the suit in the closet under the bit bucket.) James > > J. Craig Woods > UNIX Network/System Administration > http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html > Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wordprocessors/Office Suites question
It's not a word processor but I just called a friend of mine to see how he does it. He uses a product called envelope. Found at http://freefall.homeip.net/code/envelope/ I haven't used it. He said it was simple (he thinks LaTex is user friendly as well so your mileage may vary.) Supposed to do Bar Codes as well. James On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 10:55, David Boles wrote: > I have looked at of the sources that I can find and I have not found a > Linux wordprocessor or office suite that will print envelopes WITH bar > codes and mailing labels / disk labels? > > Would anyone care to please point me in a better direction? > > -- > > David > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm going to jump in on this one too. It may be a similar product, but it is NOT even close to being as clean and smooth as 8.2! Argue all you want, but if you want honest straight forward opinions, the fact remains it isn't as clean as it was. You used to be able to open up rpmdrake, I could install, remove, update all in one. Now, if I want to install I open one. If I find that I want to remove something, then I have to close the one and open another. It is NOt soley because it is different! It isn't as clean, it isn't as inuitive and it is just pure and simple a step backwards. It was an idea that someone thought was a good idea. It is not. Since it seems to have hit a nerve, it must have been your idea. :) They do work hard, and they have some fantastic ideas. We tell them when they do, but don't bash a fellow because someone made a bad decision to split something up and made it less functional. For crying out loud. Step back, take a deep breath and ponder that perhaps, just maybe it wasn't such a good idea after all. On Saturday 12 October 2002 12:21 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: > Piero Piutti wrote: > > I have just joined this mailinglist and I've noticed that one of the > > hottest topics is the "new look" rpmdrake. > > > > My two cents about this topic... > > > > I've been using MDK 8.2 since last June and I was so enthusiast about it > > that I have switched all my daily tasks from Windows to Linux. > > What made MDK 8.2 so special were its distro-specific tools, the best of > > which was no doubt rpmdrake. It was so user-friendly it was almost > > addictive! > > > > So I was looking forward to update to 9.0 and I was expecting it to > > feature all the good things from 8.2 plus enhancements as long as new > > stuff. > > > > As far as I can see the new release is very good (stable as rock, I must > > say - though I have been using it for a few days only), but my "first > > impression" was definitely spoiled when I found out that rpmdrake had > > been sliced into three different pieces! > > > > Now it is very uncomfortable to use (at opposite of its predecessor which > > was 100% user-friendly). > > Honestly, and I'm not attempting to chastise or malign anyone here for > their opinions on this topic, but exactly is it thats so hard to use > when it comes to the new presentation of rpmdrake? all the mods are in > one place; they're easy to get to; they're presented in a clear and easy > to understand manner which allows the user to know exactly what tool is > being used to perform the task. The only thing I can possibly see is > that they're no longer "together" accessible from *one* interface. > > I must conclude then that all this trouble is based solely on the fact > that it's different, as in "not looking the same" thats causing all the > heartache over this. The tools still work the same, they're all still > using the same processes under the covers to get the job done. The added > benefit here is that to do an update, install, uninstall, ( I can't > remember now what the fourth things is) it's no longer necessary to have > "more" stuff running then is actually necessary. > > Let me stress here. The _ONLY_ thing that has changed here *is* the > look. nothing else that the user sees and/or uses has changed. All this > railing on the programmers and decision-makers is groundless and > childish. Notice here I am NOT labeling anyone who disagrees with my > viewpoint as being childish. I only mean to point out that a mountain is > being made out of a molehill. > > Lets remember...this is _FREE_ software that is being released to the > public with no strings attached. Instead of bitching and biting the > hands that feed our appetites for more, newer, and better software we > should be happy and enjoying the diversity in the progression of this > distribution. They're not going to be able to totally please every > Mandrake user each and every time the next level is released. > > We should maybe look for and focus on something that is in "real" need > of improvement. > > I've seen this problem before. I'm a sysadmin/programmer where I work > and every time we make a signifigant change to something it's never a > good one in the eyes of the users as a whole. Plain and simple folks > just don't like change that doesn't happen to make immediate sense to > their way of thinking. However, when they're done bitchin and take the > time to actually make use the new things or the changes they ultimately > begin to see the logic and thought behind the change. > > Mark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9qIEmbI42Fu70lIwRArWwAJ9MoponfcJ9+dazkhWAXg27JOZUEgCdFgWC xcEZj6P2N7YYMVxHqsLhta0= =zi/Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: > Piero Piutti wrote: >> I have just joined this mailinglist and I've noticed that one of the hottest >> topics is the "new look" rpmdrake. >> >> . . . >> >> Now it is very uncomfortable to use (at opposite of its predecessor which >> was 100% user-friendly). > > Honestly, and I'm not attempting to chastise or malign anyone here for > their opinions on this topic, but exactly is it thats so hard to use > when it comes to the new presentation of rpmdrake? all the mods are in > one place; they're easy to get to; they're presented in a clear and easy > to understand manner which allows the user to know exactly what tool is > being used to perform the task. The only thing I can possibly see is > that they're no longer "together" accessible from *one* interface. > > I must conclude then that all this trouble is based solely on the fact > that it's different, as in "not looking the same" thats causing all the > heartache over this. The tools still work the same, they're all still > using the same processes under the covers to get the job done. The added > benefit here is that to do an update, install, uninstall, ( I can't > remember now what the fourth things is) it's no longer necessary to have > "more" stuff running then is actually necessary. Your "not looking the same" argument is baloney. I LIKE the look of the new Mandrake Control Center. What I miss is being able to tab back and forth between installed and uninstalled. As an end-user, not a programmer, I wasn't bothered by having "more stuff running than is actually necessary." I liked the convenience of that tabbing back and forth FUNCTION. > Let me stress here. The _ONLY_ thing that has changed here *is* the > look. nothing else that the user sees and/or uses has changed. All this > railing on the programmers and decision-makers is groundless and > childish. Notice here I am NOT labeling anyone who disagrees with my > viewpoint as being childish. I only mean to point out that a mountain is > being made out of a molehill. Being able to tab back and forth is to me a FUNCTION, not a look. And it seems to me you ARE labelling the people who disagree with you as childish. > Lets remember...this is _FREE_ software that is being released to the > public with no strings attached. Instead of bitching and biting the > hands that feed our appetites for more, newer, and better software we > should be happy and enjoying the diversity in the progression of this > distribution. They're not going to be able to totally please every > Mandrake user each and every time the next level is released. It's not a matter of bitching and biting. It's a matter of saying what we like and don't like. Surely that's not irrelevant to Mandrakesoft. If enough people don't like something, it might behoove them to consider changing it. As for the "no strings attached", last I heard Mandrakesoft was in business to make money, and in fact has been in some difficulty due to lack of same. In fact, as soon as that option was available I ordered the 9.0 powerpack, despite the fact that all those packages are available online and I have had 9.0 running on my computer for several weeks. > We should maybe look for and focus on something that is in "real" need > of improvement. > > I've seen this problem before. I'm a sysadmin/programmer where I work > and every time we make a signifigant change to something it's never a > good one in the eyes of the users as a whole. Plain and simple folks > just don't like change that doesn't happen to make immediate sense to > their way of thinking. However, when they're done bitchin and take the > time to actually make use the new things or the changes they ultimately > begin to see the logic and thought behind the change. Personally, I LIKE change. That's why I move to the next version as soon as possible. That's why I run all the betas and release candidates not on a spare, experimental machine, but on my one and only. I think the same is true of many other people on this list. I think you're doing me and them a disservice by ASSUMING they're against change instead of taking their argument seriously and trying to understand what it is that bothers them about the new rpmdrake. As an end-user I LOVE Mandrake 9.0 but I don't like the new rpmdrake as well as its predecessor. no, it's not THAT big a deal. I'm not going to go back to 8.2 over it. But I have an opinion, one that's apparently shared by quite a few others on this list, and I'm going to express it, your sneers notwithstanding. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Network Interfaces at boot time?
I've seen the profiles -- is there any documentation on what you can do with them? Based on this, and Todd's suggestion, I guess I can try to create some boot time logic to see if the dock is present, and load (or not load) the network accordingly. It's just shame that it couldn't just fail gracefully, noting that the interface doesn't seem to be present, and moving on. Thanks! John On 10/12/02 8:05 AM, "Dave Sherman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 11 October 2002 08:45 pm, John O'Shaughnessy wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> Is there a way to make the system understand that the interfaces may or may >> not be present, or at the very least, not to hang when not docked? > > John, > > If you run Mandrake Control Center and go to the Networking module, you > will be able to create separate profiles for each NIC in your laptop. I > haven't used that before, so I can't vouch for its abilities... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(
As I am french, I apologize if I don't write using a very clean english. I am system administrator, giving support to my users. I like dealing with the OS in-deep, so I am one of those that really dislike GUIs. I always used rpm as a command-line tool, reading man pages (that old troff !) in an xterm and ignoring rpm-disGUIsed. But I am really aware of the users' needs; I know that, when one doesn't know computers at all, Linux, Windows or else can quickly be overwhelming : I can see it almost every day in my company. I think that we could say : who will use such tool ? I will use system administration tools, and I need them to be comfortable. A developer needs development tools, an environment, compilers, debuggers. An executive, a clerk will need a wordprocessor, a spreadsheet, databases, AND comfort in using that nasty box, a pretty wallpaper, a funny screensaver ( I like them too, but maybe with less importance :-) or he or she goes back to the pen and paper. Each tool must be designed with an accurate aim. Of course, problems arise when, for instance, an administrative tool must be planned for an administrator AND an end-user (everybody agrees ? pretty GUIs are intended to be used mainly by people not involved with the OS in-deep : that's to say almost everybody - well, by us administrators too, when we remember that we have been children and suddenly become childish) I personally often use tools heavily misconfigured, simply because sometimes I am lazy. I don't care because I am an old and experienced Unix user. But someone else would be horrified, and would not bear such conditions. About Mandrake GUIs, or RedHat GUIs, or all these emerging administering GUIs : my own opinion that I don't want to share with anybody, is that they are emerging : I have been afraid in the past, when they were not stable, while the GNU command-line tools were already strong and reliable. As I feel comfortable with my command-line, I don't look with much care to the news : maybe RedHat and Mandrake already have very strong graphic tools. Some day I will bother about it. So this is me, an individual, one of those very few techies. But if people enjoy the tools from Mandrake, the main battle is won ! Give them another choice than Windows ! Finally, two points : - such an opinion which was expressed about rpmdrake, for me is really important : GNU/Linux systems today aim to be designed for everybody, so we need to care particularly about an end-user which will maybe use GNU/Linux systems as he would with Windows (I don't mean the person who posted about rpmdrake - it's not so easy to express my ideas in english :-). - and here is the main point : from my point of vue, GNU/linux systems are trying to do what Windows did not do : trying to supply a traditional Unix system, robust and reliable, satisfying administrators and developpers; and in the same OS, a nice, pretty GUI, maybe sometimes Las Vegas flavored, so that we will try to take Microsoft out of business (THEY understood what is an end-user). How could everybody be satisfied ? How can we design tools that will be used by so different people ? I feel that discussions like this one are, and will be endless for years ... On Saturday 12 October 2002 22:38, Dale Huckeby wrote: > On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: > > Piero Piutti wrote: > >> I have just joined this mailinglist and I've noticed that one of the > >> hottest topics is the "new look" rpmdrake. > >> > >> . . . > >> > >> Now it is very uncomfortable to use (at opposite of its predecessor > >> which was 100% user-friendly). > > > > Honestly, and I'm not attempting to chastise or malign anyone here for > > their opinions on this topic, but exactly is it thats so hard to use > > when it comes to the new presentation of rpmdrake? all the mods are in > > one place; they're easy to get to; they're presented in a clear and easy > > to understand manner which allows the user to know exactly what tool is > > being used to perform the task. The only thing I can possibly see is > > that they're no longer "together" accessible from *one* interface. > > > > I must conclude then that all this trouble is based solely on the fact > > that it's different, as in "not looking the same" thats causing all the > > heartache over this. The tools still work the same, they're all still > > using the same processes under the covers to get the job done. The added > > benefit here is that to do an update, install, uninstall, ( I can't > > remember now what the fourth things is) it's no longer necessary to have > > "more" stuff running then is actually necessary. > > Your "not looking the same" argument is baloney. I LIKE the look of the > new Mandrake Control Center. What I miss is being able to tab back and > forth between installed and uninstalled. As an end-user, not a programmer, > I wasn't bothered by having "more stuff running than is actually > necessary." I liked the conven
Re: [expert] Has anybody tried to install NVidia Drivers formandrake 9.0?
On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 00:43, Todd Flinders wrote: > Mandrake Club has Nvidia drivers for 9.0. > > You can always download the .src.rpm's and rebuild them yourself: > > rpm --rebuild NVIDIA*src.rpm > > You will need to have the rpm-build package installed. This is probably the best thing to do anyway if you have your kernel source installed. It assures you that it will work with your kernel...especially if your not using the distro's stock kernel. The tarball is a decent second choice (only because RPM will keep track of the install with the rpmdb). .kiran Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] wireless access point inquiry
Can anyone tell me which driver works with a Belkin model F5D6050 WAP? I've been unable to find one through a Google search or the manufacturers web site or through the wireless-HOWTO. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Trasferring/upgrading server
I have an internal Web/FTP/File server running MDK 8.2 which I need to transfer to a new box. The current filesystem is as follows: /dev/sdb1 / /dev/sda1 /boot /dev/sda6 /tmp /dev/sda?/swap /dev/sdc1 /home /dev/sdc2 /usr/local /dev/sdc3 /var The new machine will run MDK 9.0, and while I intend to re-use sda as the boot, temp and swap, and also (maybe) the sdb as /, the third disk is going to be moved to a hard AMI RAID 5, comprising completely different disks Anybody like to suggest the most painless manner of doing this? I had thought to : tar up the /etc, /home/, /var and /usr/local directories copy these and the served files in /home/shared (a lot) and the updates & rpms from /usr to an interim server directory move the two hard disks to the new server install Mandrake 9 on the new server copy/untar everything back The one sticking point is that I'd like to install the same set of packages as before. Is there any way of saving out my currently installed package list (which is not the same as the original MDK 8.2. install), and then passing that list to the MDK9 installer?? any script mavens out there? cheers -- john in sydney = Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel version: 2.4.18-8.1mdk Uptime: 57 days 14 hours 53 minutes = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tape backups in Linux?
On Friday 04 October 2002 18:06, you wrote: > Two questions: How do I reference the tape drive? Since it's not a disk > type device, I don't think that /dev/hdd will do it. Would it be as simple > as /dev/tape? Something else? /dev/st0? > Also, is there a reasonably good backup > program (preferably something free, but an inexpensive one would be fine as > well) that will use the tape drive? The next time I manage to destroy my > system, it would be awfully nice if I could just restore from the last > backup :-) Any information would be appreciated. There are quite a few - but amanda stands out as the most robust for network/client backups. There isn't a Mandrake RPM for it AFAIR, but the .src.rpm should compile -- john in sydney = Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel version: 2.4.18-8.1mdk Uptime: 57 days 15 hours 31 minutes = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] What is this about message delay????
Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: delayed Status: 4.0.0 (Persistent transient failure - no additional status information available) Remote-MTA: dns; smtp.mandrax.org Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [216.190.1.229] I've changed providers and now I'm getting delay message errors. Ken Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Odd printer action?
On Saturday 12 October 2002 01:25 pm, you wrote: > The clue is to remove, cancel, or hold this job. In my case, the right > click, remove was ignored. Printing of subsequent jobs proceeded > however, ignoring the stalled job, and after a renboot, the queue was > clear again.If I am right, and you cannot remove this job, it may be > necessary to do a little detective work to find where the actual print > queue is (/var/???), and physically delete the file which is the bad job. Thanks for the advice. I took what you said, then added more instructions from another user (Sharrea) and now, I'll see what happens the next time I reboot. BTW, here is Sharreas' instructions: 1. In a browser go to: http://127.0.0.1:631/ 2. Click on "Administration" and enter root + root password 3. Click "Manage Jobs" 4. Click "Cancel Job" on the same line as the print job. Close browser. (I'm adding this - don't forget to note whatever job # was stuck so you can use below) 5. In a console: su to root 6. # cd /var/spool/cups # ls -a # rm -f 7. Turn the printer off, wait a while then turn it back on. Thanks a lot to the 2 of you :-) -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(
Mark Weaver wrote: Piero Piutti wrote: I have just joined this mailinglist and I've noticed that one of the hottest topics is the "new look" rpmdrake. Honestly, and I'm not attempting to chastise or malign anyone here for their opinions on this topic, but exactly is it thats so hard to use when it comes to the new presentation of rpmdrake? all the mods are in one place; they're easy to get to; they're presented in a clear and easy to understand manner which allows the user to know exactly what tool is being used to perform the task. The only thing I can possibly see is that they're no longer "together" accessible from *one* interface. Ah, but they are! K; Configuration; Mandrake Control Centre; Software Manager. This is my preferred starting-place. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] IMPORTANT! troels... for Mandrake GNU/Linux 9.0 now available. See my web site: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Starting LICQ as user
For what it's worth Dep't. Removed the existing installation of licq with urpme, installed again with urpmi, still no go except as root. NOTE: Symtoms are with links on desktop or panel. END NOTE. Again I removed licq with urpme then downloaded the latest from cooker. Installed with urpmi, same-o same-o ! ! Switched users and launched with the menu link *!*!*!*!* It Worked !*!*!*!*!* OK, I sez, let's try it with user charles, YUP, it worked there too.. Soo, there must be something with a user making application links that prevent some or all programs from launchng.. Now I'm wondering if that has anything to do with the ZIP drive problems, Hm.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(
ahem... look again my friend. It used to be one icon. I could click on tabs from within and check it both ways. Now it is 4 different icons that you have to execute one at a time. On Saturday 12 October 2002 07:53 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: > Mark Weaver wrote: > > Piero Piutti wrote: > >> I have just joined this mailinglist and I've noticed that one of the > >> hottest topics is the "new look" rpmdrake. > > > > Honestly, and I'm not attempting to chastise or malign anyone here for > > their opinions on this topic, but exactly is it thats so hard to use > > when it comes to the new presentation of rpmdrake? all the mods are in > > one place; they're easy to get to; they're presented in a clear and easy > > to understand manner which allows the user to know exactly what tool is > > being used to perform the task. The only thing I can possibly see is > > that they're no longer "together" accessible from *one* interface. > > Ah, but they are! > > K; Configuration; Mandrake Control Centre; Software Manager. > > This is my preferred starting-place. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(
On Saturday 12 October 2002 10:06 pm, Lorne wrote: > ahem... look again my friend. It used to be one icon. I could click on tabs > from within and check it both ways. Now it is 4 different icons that you > have to execute one at a time. What do you do that you need to install, remove, and update packages all at the same time? Typically, you need to either install, remove, or update the programs, not do all 3 at the same time. The old interface was incredibly confusing and slow; the new one is much better in my opinion. -- -- Igor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 9.0 impressions and requests
Hi I would like to make express some impressions and ask for some help. As you will note below I am a devoted mandrake user and have been since the 7.0 version. That being said, I would like to say that I really like much of the improvements found in the 9.0 final. as I've seen on the lists, there has been debate on much of the control center and "whateverdrake's" that are included. but I see only improvements and added simplicity which make using them easier for any who are new to linux. the look of mandrake has really matured and is cleaner while including all the bells and whistles people have wanted, by and large. I have a fairly recent set-up using an epox 8kta3l+ MB, 512 ram, amd 1700+ cpu, three Hard drives a wd 6.4, wd 10 gig, and a quantum fireball 20 gig, a sound blaster live sound card, and a 32 mg Nvidia tnt2 video card. along with two 3com 595 NIC's and an adeptec 2906 scsi card. all of which work totally and completely under 8.0. additionally I have my wife's machine, win98lite on my home network. and while I can get all these to function well through version 9.0, they seem to lose increasing functionality as I have tried versions 8.1, 8.2, 9.0 beta's and now the 9.0 final. what happens is this, 8.1 was a disaster so I won't mention it, but 8.2 worked well except for the sensors on the motherboard ( via686a-isa-6000 ). on my vaio pcg fx-215 laptop, everything works under 8.2. under 9.0 though, I have the following problems : during boot of 9.0, after the shows it loads the scsi mod for the adeptec card it tells me " someone has reset Channel A " in a loop, requiring a reboot, though if I have something in the cd drive ( cdrw as scsi1 ) it will continue. next, the network connection/and or configuration will be lost between boots, or I simply can't log onto the Internet. at first I could if I set the firewall settings in control center to allow everything in, though with a cable modem especially do I not want to surf this way. ( in 8.0 using bastille firewall I can do what I wish and still have a secure box and network ) I can't use Linneighborhood in 8.2 or 9.0, or connect to the win box at all in 9.0 no matter what I try. I can use similar settings from 8.0 and still little works in networking in 9.0. likely I am doing something wrong, or there is some other hardware issue I'm unaware of which is the problem, still it seems to me that 9.0 has become more complicated, perhaps too complicated for an even advanced user, or at least a non-newbie. Shorewall is too much to wrap my head around, and I can't find a simple firewall to work with it as of yet. also I too have had the reappearing print job. I would really like to use the 9.0 series for the kde 3, the backup tools , and several other things, but unless I can set-up a firewall, and can maintain the network settings, and connect to the windows box as I can in 8.0 there is little point. being able to use the sensors would be nice as well. I'm not totally green by any means, as I can do a lot with linux I never thought I could, alias's to burn iso's, compiling apps, rebuilding rpms, manually configuring lots of stuff, but 9.0 seems to have gotten too complex to be as user friendly as it was. true some things I use may well not be as supported and in earlier versions, but shouldn't they be? perhaps someone could direct me to info on how to resolve my problems? I really want to have a viable firewall set-up first. at least then I could continue to look for help without compromising my home network. any advice is very much welcomed, as I really really want to move on to 9.0 and beyond. Mike McNeese currently triple booting win98lite Mandrake versions 8.0 and 9.0 - Linux registered user # 248955 "If obstacles are all we see, then we've lost sight of our goal!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] linux apps
Hey all, anyone know of a check printing program for linux? I'm using a windows based program called 'versa check' through win4lin right now, but I'm always searching for ways to become 'windows free'. Mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com < Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.0 impressions and requests
mike wrote: [..] I really want to have a viable firewall set-up first. at least then I could continue to look for help without compromising my home network. any advice is very much welcomed, as I really really want to move on to 9.0 and beyond. Mike McNeese I went from the tinyfirewall to shorewall and hit the wall, also. What I use is guarddog. I got it from cooker contribs while cooker was still frozen at 9.0 and it probably has not changed since: $ rpm -q guarddog guarddog-2.0.0-2mdk I just followed the help link to the kde handbook guarddog tutorial after calling guarddog as root, and was able to figure it out without too much pain. Still learning about opening my own ports, such as tcp 37 for rdate. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(
Well each are welcome to our opinions. I guess I could ask the same question about a word processor? What on earth would I need to write, delete and spell correct all at the same time? I mean after all, it is MUCH less confusing to use a seperate spell checker after I'm all done writing my letter. me thinks you are the type of person that would prefer sed to star office? On Saturday 12 October 2002 08:53 pm, Igor Izyumin wrote: > On Saturday 12 October 2002 10:06 pm, Lorne wrote: > > ahem... look again my friend. It used to be one icon. I could click on > > tabs from within and check it both ways. Now it is 4 different icons that > > you have to execute one at a time. > > What do you do that you need to install, remove, and update packages all at > the same time? Typically, you need to either install, remove, or update > the programs, not do all 3 at the same time. The old interface was > incredibly confusing and slow; the new one is much better in my opinion. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] CD/DVD player and ide-scsi
I have my CD burner set to use ide-scsi in lilo.conf, it works fine, no problems. Is it workable to set my non-burning CD/DVD player to ide-scsi so I can copy CDs directly from the player to the burner? Thanks, -- Jonathan Dlouhy Sunday, October 13, 2002 When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? Registered Linux user #264482 Powered by Mandrake Linux 9 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(
Piero Piutti wrote: I have just joined this mailinglist and I've noticed that one of the hottest topics is the "new look" rpmdrake. My two cents about this topic... I've been using MDK 8.2 since last June and I was so enthusiast about it that I have switched all my daily tasks from Windows to Linux. What made MDK 8.2 so special were its distro-specific tools, the best of which was no doubt rpmdrake. It was so user-friendly it was almost addictive! So I was looking forward to update to 9.0 and I was expecting it to feature all the good things from 8.2 plus enhancements as long as new stuff. As far as I can see the new release is very good (stable as rock, I must say - though I have been using it for a few days only), but my "first impression" was definitely spoiled when I found out that rpmdrake had been sliced into three different pieces! Now it is very uncomfortable to use (at opposite of its predecessor which was 100% user-friendly). Honestly, and I'm not attempting to chastise or malign anyone here for their opinions on this topic, but exactly is it thats so hard to use when it comes to the new presentation of rpmdrake? all the mods are in one place; they're easy to get to; they're presented in a clear and easy to understand manner which allows the user to know exactly what tool is being used to perform the task. The only thing I can possibly see is that they're no longer "together" accessible from *one* interface. I must conclude then that all this trouble is based solely on the fact that it's different, as in "not looking the same" thats causing all the heartache over this. The tools still work the same, they're all still using the same processes under the covers to get the job done. The added benefit here is that to do an update, install, uninstall, ( I can't remember now what the fourth things is) it's no longer necessary to have "more" stuff running then is actually necessary. Let me stress here. The _ONLY_ thing that has changed here *is* the look. nothing else that the user sees and/or uses has changed. All this railing on the programmers and decision-makers is groundless and childish. Notice here I am NOT labeling anyone who disagrees with my viewpoint as being childish. I only mean to point out that a mountain is being made out of a molehill. Lets remember...this is _FREE_ software that is being released to the public with no strings attached. Instead of bitching and biting the hands that feed our appetites for more, newer, and better software we should be happy and enjoying the diversity in the progression of this distribution. They're not going to be able to totally please every Mandrake user each and every time the next level is released. We should maybe look for and focus on something that is in "real" need of improvement. I've seen this problem before. I'm a sysadmin/programmer where I work and every time we make a signifigant change to something it's never a good one in the eyes of the users as a whole. Plain and simple folks just don't like change that doesn't happen to make immediate sense to their way of thinking. However, when they're done bitchin and take the time to actually make use the new things or the changes they ultimately begin to see the logic and thought behind the change. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
