Re: [expert] Problems in shuttind down
Miark, your suggestion works, THANKS a lot. Sorry for asking this further question. I thought that autofs was useful for mounting ANY filesystem, including read-only NTFS and CD-ROMs. Now, I removed autofs, it properly shuts down and I STILL (fortunately) can read my NTFS filesystems and my CDROM. So, my question is: is autofs used ONLY for NTFS (and I do not have any of those) ? Actually I saw in /etc/auto.misc that the CDROM is mentioned there Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards /stefano Miark wrote: Run drakxservices as root. Turn off autofs, and make sure it doesn't run at boot. Miark On Tuesday 17 Dec 2002 08:56, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Just migrated to 9.0. When shutting down, the shutdown process FREEZES at a certain point with the following error: unmounting NFS filesystems: Cannot MOUNTPROG RPC: RPC: Program not registered umount2: Device or resource busy umount: /net: device is busy At this point I have to hard-reset the computer (which implies that, on rebooting, filesystems are checked for consistency) Could someone help me in understanding this? Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards /stefano Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity
On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 11:04, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Brinkman wrote on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 10:29:15PM + : Bottom line is hardware is a moving target, always has been. Unfortunately, specially with other than with M$, it's a downhill slide towards Junkyard Wars. Maxtor seems to be the safest bet right What is amazing to me is that nobody has had anything to say (positive or negative) about: 1) IBM drives Never had one. 2) Seagate drives I've got 3 of them that are almost 7 years old...(Make nice Firewall HDD's) I'm using Seagate and Maxtor (Never would have believed I would say this, about Maxtor.) throughout our company systems... Less than 1% of them got RMA'd so I was really happy with that. Oh and my underwater HDD's were all seagates they survived 100% but this is a test I'd never recommend. I have my own personal experiences with them, but am curious what others have seen. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com cat /boot/vmlinuz /dev/dsp #for great justice Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.20-2mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9/3VSlp7v05cW2woRAn2iAJ0QHljt2GlH77JuqXQCouJM61BwowCeOiyQ wqWblDUKE1e/JpDW/EKx9Mc= =HWLg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity
On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 15:32, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:39:07 -0800 Larry Sword [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm have problems finding this anywhere on the IBM web site or by search. Can you please provide the source document you have for this?? This all came about because the warranty that IBM used for about a month some time in 01 only warrantied their drives for X number of hrs, something that worked out to about 10 hrs per day. This wording was quickly removed and recanted. A statement was issued by them that even during that period all their drives were/are tested and perform within norm during 24/7 operation. The only IBM drive which had serious issues was the 75GXP I personally have 22 hds ranging from 12gb to 60gb and age from 5 years to less than 6 months split about 50/50 between IBM and pre-buyout Maxtors. Thus far I have suffered 2 Maxtor failures and no IBM failures. The only problem I have with IBM drives is that they are not available locally. On the subject of drives another which has not been mentioned is Fujitsu. Stay away. They, in Sept. admitted that at least 3% of their drives sold in Japan will have to be replaced but they made no admission in regards to drives sold elsewhere. In the US a class action law suit has been filed against Fujitsu of America and HP for sale of system with said drives. Now not being produced for the desktop market many pre-built systems were/are sold with these drives. If you have 1 of these systems my suggestion would be to replace it or at the very least make very frequent back-ups. The drives most prone to failure are the MPG3xx, MPG3204AT, MPG3307AH and the MPG3409AH. Additional info on the class action suit can be found at www.sheller.com/fujitsuclassaction.htm Fujitsu Sorry rather have a WD drive *grin* 14 hours to do a 75 meg image copy to the drive. Drives heat up so bad you can't touch the HDD except with an oven mit... NOISY.. Personally I think Fujitsu is Japanese for hockey puck. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] maximum capacity
On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 06:37, Lorne wrote: On Tuesday 17 December 2002 02:28 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Check the archives.. but I do seem to remember that if you are willing to put up with the slower access times. (depending on what you do you might not even notice that it's slower.) you can do an append=nodma at boot and the WD drives suddenly start to work nicer. Since I remember Civilme saying something about DMA being the root of the problem with WD drives. Thanks James. I read that, but it didn't give me a very warm fuzzy... so I'm going to try to use it on my xp box or return it for a better brand. Anything Civilme had to say about WD would be sure to not give you a warm anything...*grin* James On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 17:41, Lorne wrote: On Monday 16 December 2002 09:06 am, Guy Van Sanden wrote: Reiser 3.5 and 3.6 can handle up to 17.6 Terrabyte in a single filesystem. (check www.namesys.com) Practically speaking this is also the maximum file size, which is logical given the partition size. So it shouldn't be reiser... maybe the drive is malfunctioning, or it is not supported by your BIOS (that large). This used to be the case with 2-4 GB drivers in 486's or early pentiums. The manufacturers often get arround this by installing some low-level driver. Unfortunately these are often incompatible with *NIX. Maybe you can try JFS, XFS or EXT3 to check? Thanks man... It turns out to me far worse than I suspected. At first I thought I was exceeding the partition size. Turns out I just made the mistake of buying a Western Digital drive! Arrr Kind regards Guy Perhaps a dumb question, but what is the maximum partition size you can make a linux ext2, or reisfer or any other linux partition? The reason I ask, is I just purchased a 180gb IDE drive and Reiser is choking. I've done a cursory search on the internet and not seeing anything. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0
OK, I set up a dns server on my gateway. It works fine from the clients but using the dns names I can't ping any of the clients from the server. I can ping the IPs. I've tried adding this to resolv.conf: nameserver 127.0.0.1 That is how I fixed it last time, but it doesn't help. I've also tried shutting down shorewall and that doesn't help either. I've noticed that if I try to add a client using the wizard provided by Mandrake that clicking on the icon doesn't start it. Anybody got any clues? Are there some issues of which I am not aware? Jim C. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity
I have 2 Maxtor's and 1 Seagate All work "like a champ" ! No problem with any of them ! But... I also have a couple of computers with WD drives in them. no problems to speak of ! What seems to be their "bane"? At YA later ! Donna - Original Message - From: James Sparenberg To: Expert List Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 11:04, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Brinkman wrote on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 10:29:15PM + : Bottom line is hardware is a moving target, always has been. Unfortunately, specially with other than with M$, it's a downhill slide towards Junkyard Wars. Maxtor seems to be the safest bet right What is amazing to me is that nobody has had anything to say (positive or negative) about: 1) IBM drivesNever had one. 2) Seagate drivesI've got 3 of them that are almost 7 years old...(Make nice FirewallHDD's) I'm using Seagate and Maxtor (Never would have believed I wouldsay this, about Maxtor.) throughout our company systems... Less than 1%of them got RMA'd so I was really happy with that. Oh and my underwaterHDD's were all seagates they survived 100% but this is a test I'dnever recommend. I have my own personal experiences with them, but am curious what others have seen. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com cat /boot/vmlinuz /dev/dsp #for great justice Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.20-2mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9/3VSlp7v05cW2woRAn2iAJ0QHljt2GlH77JuqXQCouJM61BwowCeOiyQ wqWblDUKE1e/JpDW/EKx9Mc= =HWLg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
It seems that Evolution 1.2 is available through Ximian Red-Carpet. I see that, in order to get the new Evolution, other Gnome RPMs should be downloaded. I am wondering if these other packages, with a ximian suffix (instead than a mdk suffix) would be compatible with packages that will become available via MandrakeUpdate. Should one wait untile Evolution 1.2 would be available via standard MandrakeUpdate? Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards /stefano smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] compiling kernel with acpi and w/o apic
Jack, I was getting ready to try 2.4.20, either vanilla (with preempt patch, and a modified Mandrake .conf), or cooker 2.4.20-2. Could you advise me in on as to why you aren't happy with 2.4.20? I was under the impression it fixed some USB problems, of which I am having. Thanks, Robert Crawford On Wednesday 18 December 2002 12:23 am, Jack Coates wrote: the default 9.0 kernel comes with a very old version of ACPI -- you should either go from vanilla (which broke USB in my case) or download a cooker kernel with newer ACPI. I've had ok luck with 2.4.19-19, currently on 2.4.20-2 and not happy with it. On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 08:19, Sascha Noyes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity
On Tuesday December 17 2002 01:04 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Brinkman wrote on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 10:29:15PM + : Bottom line is hardware is a moving target, always has been. Unfortunately, specially with other than with M$, it's a downhill slide towards Junkyard Wars. Maxtor seems to be the safest bet right What is amazing to me is that nobody has had anything to say (positive or negative) about: 1) IBM drives 2) Seagate drives I have my own personal experiences with them, but am curious what others have seen. Blue skies... Todd I had two 7200 rpm IBM Deskstars. I always run 24/7, but last April I was out of town for a week and shut down. When I got back, the 30 gig IBM, with all my Linux on it, wouldn't spin up. 8 months old, mechanical failure. In a pinch, I replaced it with a Maxtor bought locally, rather than wait on RMA. Then a few months ago the remaining 30g IBM started actin up. 14 months old. I replaced it with a Maxtor 80g before the IBM had a chance to totally fail. Never did bother to RMA either IBM. BTW, both IBM's were replacements for old and slow WD's. The above was the first time I've had any HDD problems in over 12 years. I've never had any Seagates. Gettin back to 'downhill slide', most HDD vendors recently dropped from 3 yr, to 1 year warranties. Not exactly a confidence builder. Both Maxtor's I've got now still have 3 yrs warranty. We'll just haft'a see how long the last. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 07:06, Stefano Pogliani wrote: It seems that Evolution 1.2 is available through Ximian Red-Carpet. I see that, in order to get the new Evolution, other Gnome RPMs should be downloaded. I am wondering if these other packages, with a ximian suffix (instead than a mdk suffix) would be compatible with packages that will become available via MandrakeUpdate. Should one wait untile Evolution 1.2 would be available via standard MandrakeUpdate? I have Evo 1.2.1 installed, I downloaded it directly from the Ximian FTP site. From what I have heard about Red Carpet, I would stay away from it, people are always complaining about it installing/removing/changing things. Ximian has the RPM packages for Mandrake 9.0, I find them very good at putting out packages for different distros. -- ...Rob -- Always remember to pillage before you burn. = Robert Goshko Axis Computer Consulting Services, Inc President Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada http://www.axis-dev.ca/ Supporting the Revolution In Your World = Registered Linux User #260513 GNU/Linux i686 2.4.19-16mdk 7:33am up 16 min, 5 users, load average: 1.02, 1.01, 0.65 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
Rob, where is this FTP site? Which packages did you download from that site? Thanks a lot for your help. Best regards /stefano P.S.Do you know if/how Evolution could use a Thwate Digital Certificate for signing mails ? Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 07:06, Stefano Pogliani wrote: It seems that Evolution 1.2 is available through Ximian Red-Carpet. I see that, in order to get the new Evolution, other Gnome RPMs should be downloaded. I am wondering if these other packages, with a ximian suffix (instead than a mdk suffix) would be compatible with packages that will become available via MandrakeUpdate. Should one wait untile Evolution 1.2 would be available via standard MandrakeUpdate? I have Evo 1.2.1 installed, I downloaded it directly from the Ximian FTP site. From what I have heard about Red Carpet, I would stay away from it, people are always complaining about it installing/removing/changing things. Ximian has the RPM packages for Mandrake 9.0, I find them very good at putting out packages for different distros. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Drowning Servers..... Literally.
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Todd Lyons wrote: 50/50 mix of Simple Green and Water, a 2 wide paint brush, and a soft-bristled toothbrush. Wash it down, rinse it with bottled water (or any other finely filtered water). Force air over it and let it dry overnight. A simple fan is really all that's needed with the humidity is low, a conditioned air source (preferably heated as opposed to cooled) if the humidity is high. After reading this, I thought to myself that I keep all my PCs off the floor (hurricanes are an annual threat in South Florida). I'd never need to clean a PC that got flooded. Yesterday I was making a cup of coffee using my trusty single cup BlackDecker Brew'N Go. Trouble is I forgot to put the cup underneath to catch the coffee. So the table caught it for me. And so did my laptop. Bleah. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Jim C wrote: OK, I set up a dns server on my gateway. It works fine from the clients but using the dns names I can't ping any of the clients from the server. I can ping the IPs. I've tried adding this to resolv.conf: nameserver 127.0.0.1 That is how I fixed it last time, but it doesn't help. I've also tried shutting down shorewall and that doesn't help either. I've noticed that if I try to add a client using the wizard provided by Mandrake that clicking on the icon doesn't start it. Anybody got any clues? Are there some issues of which I am not aware? Look at your db files and make sure that you have all the appropriate periods at the ends of the lines. It's hard to know without looking at the db files though. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 07:40, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, where is this FTP site? Which packages did you download from that site? Thanks a lot for your help. Best regards You can check http://ximian.com/mirrors.html for the list of FTP sites. From 1.2.1 I downloaded all the packages in the ximian-evolution/mandrake-90-i586 directory that were dated 13/12/02 (Dec 13, 2002), watch out because both the 1.2 and 1.2.1 packages are in the same directory. I had installed all the 1.2 packages prior to this as I was running 1.2, so there may be a few dependencies in some of the library packages that were not updated for the 1.2.1 release. P.S.Do you know if/how Evolution could use a Thwate Digital Certificate for signing mails ? There was at one time greyed out options eluding to this eventual functionality, but I just checked and they are now gone from the security tab on the e-mail account set-up, just PGP/GPG for now. -- ...Rob -- Microsoft - We put the backwards into backwards compatibility. = Robert Goshko Axis Computer Consulting Services, Inc President Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada http://www.axis-dev.ca/ Supporting the Revolution In Your World = Registered Linux User #260513 GNU/Linux i686 2.4.19-16mdk 8:13am up 56 min, 5 users, load average: 1.60, 1.28, 1.13 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] compiling kernel with acpi and w/o apic
the swsusp included is beta 16, which is broken per the swsusp and acpi-sppt lists -- not like beta 15 worked, but apparently beta 16 is even more broken :-) This could be related to swsusp, but hotplug has quit working, rendering my memory-stick slot broken (this is USB, so proceed with caution). Like the last few 2.4.19 kernels, it panics about half the time when logging out of X or choosing shutdown from gdm. I am so glad for journaling filesystems. Jack On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 06:28, flacycads wrote: Jack, I was getting ready to try 2.4.20, either vanilla (with preempt patch, and a modified Mandrake .conf), or cooker 2.4.20-2. Could you advise me in on as to why you aren't happy with 2.4.20? I was under the impression it fixed some USB problems, of which I am having. Thanks, Robert Crawford On Wednesday 18 December 2002 12:23 am, Jack Coates wrote: the default 9.0 kernel comes with a very old version of ACPI -- you should either go from vanilla (which broke USB in my case) or download a cooker kernel with newer ACPI. I've had ok luck with 2.4.19-19, currently on 2.4.20-2 and not happy with it. On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 08:19, Sascha Noyes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? /stefano Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 07:40, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, where is this FTP site? Which packages did you download from that site? Thanks a lot for your help. Best regards You can check http://ximian.com/mirrors.html for the list of FTP sites. From 1.2.1 I downloaded all the packages in the ximian-evolution/mandrake-90-i586 directory that were dated 13/12/02 (Dec 13, 2002), watch out because both the 1.2 and 1.2.1 packages are in the same directory. I had installed all the 1.2 packages prior to this as I was running 1.2, so there may be a few dependencies in some of the library packages that were not updated for the 1.2.1 release. P.S.Do you know if/how Evolution could use a Thwate Digital Certificate for signing mails ? There was at one time greyed out options eluding to this eventual functionality, but I just checked and they are now gone from the security tab on the e-mail account set-up, just PGP/GPG for now. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Error building NVIDIA rpm
El Lun 16 Dic 2002 23:04, PlugHead escribió: On Monday 16 December 2002 08:32 pm, Toshiro wrote: El Dom 15 Dic 2002 23:55, PlugHead escribió: Have you installed the kernel-source rpm appropriate to your kernel? -Jason Yes, I installed the RPM that comes with MDK9 I would do a 'rpm -qa | grep ^kernel' and make sure that the kernel packages listed all have the same version #'s. -Jason Well, your were right :), the kernel-headers version is 2.4.18-41mdk and the other packages are 2.4.19-16, but that's what's on the Mandrake CDs, is the 'kernel-headers' rpm the wrong version? -- Toshiro Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Error building NVIDIA rpm
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:55:27 -0300 Toshiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, your were right :), the kernel-headers version is 2.4.18-41mdk and the other packages are 2.4.19-16, but that's what's on the Mandrake CDs, is the 'kernel-headers' rpm the wrong version? The kernel-header rpm is provided by the glibc pkg Not the kernel pkg. Its version used for the kernel headers rpm is therefore dependent upon the version of the kernel used by the glibc build system. Running 9.0 kernel-headers-2.4.18-41 is the correct version. Charles Pascal is not a high-level language. -- Steven Feiner -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Error building NVIDIA rpm
I had the same thing. So I'm not nuts, right? Right? ;) ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Toshiro Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Error building NVIDIA rpm El Lun 16 Dic 2002 23:04, PlugHead escribió: On Monday 16 December 2002 08:32 pm, Toshiro wrote: El Dom 15 Dic 2002 23:55, PlugHead escribió: Have you installed the kernel-source rpm appropriate to your kernel? -Jason Yes, I installed the RPM that comes with MDK9 I would do a 'rpm -qa | grep ^kernel' and make sure that the kernel packages listed all have the same version #'s. -Jason Well, your were right :), the kernel-headers version is 2.4.18-41mdk and the other packages are 2.4.19-16, but that's what's on the Mandrake CDs, is the 'kernel-headers' rpm the wrong version? -- Toshiro Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] compiling kernel with acpi and w/o apic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Es Dimecres 18 Desembre 2002 15:28, en flacycads va escriure: Jack, I was getting ready to try 2.4.20, either vanilla (with preempt patch, and a modified Mandrake .conf), or cooker 2.4.20-2. Could you advise me in on as to why you aren't happy with 2.4.20? I was under the impression it fixed some USB problems, of which I am having. My experience is similar to Jack's: 2.4.19-19mdk works better to me than 2.4.20-2mdk: - -In both usb sound aren't working after resume (swsusp.sh 0.4) - -2.4.19-19 suspends (and resumes) fine, 2.4.20-2 sometimes hang and shows some errors when resuming. On Wednesday 18 December 2002 12:23 am, Jack Coates wrote: the default 9.0 kernel comes with a very old version of ACPI -- you should either go from vanilla (which broke USB in my case) or download a cooker kernel with newer ACPI. I've had ok luck with 2.4.19-19, currently on 2.4.20-2 and not happy with it. On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 08:19, Sascha Noyes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- - -- Joan Tur. Eivissa-Spain AOL quini2k, ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+ALJMok8j9RhtetwRAsnfAKCU+ffgcRhcFpyVajfjg4ZuJ3WikgCfcSdG RfN/6/BT8rZBFHYokOd4T2I= =2n5E -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I am in KDE HELL - which cooker kernel?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 15 December 2002 06:29 pm, Jason Greenwood wrote: Yes, you are right, 9.0 totally F***ed up Supermount, even for me (I disable it on all vanilla 9.0 installs). It was broken on every install I tried (probably 5 or so, including and especially laptops). In the current cooker kernel, Supermount seems to work flawlessly for me on my home box. It also works on my fathers box and he's running the latest cooker too. I can't vouch for it across the board but it seems to have been addressed by now and I haven't heard much about it on the Cooker List (in itself a good sign). As for USB support, I can't comment, perhaps the list can give more insight here... [...] Could you please specify the kernel version you are using/talking about? In the Atmel mailing list, there appears to be issues with USB not only with the stock 9.0 kernel, but several cooker variants as well - in particular, problems that either prevent building the Atmel USB wlan driver or once built leads to hard system lockups. Cooker kernels can change with the day so I'd like to have a starting point for getting around the stock 9.0 kernel problems. I envision having to go back to and build a 2.4.18 kernel (from 8.2) to obtain a usable system at this point. I have an Atmel-based usb wlan device (Linksys WUSB11 v2.6) that works in 8.2, kernel 2.4.18-8mdk and -8.1mdk, but doesn't work properly in the 2.4.19 stock mdk 9.0 kernel. This is besides the supermount problems of 9.0. praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE+ALNNmkm5RO1gX9cRAjihAKCrSePKkKti5WB301on0ASFhtRG0gCfeVHL 7DGWFLJi/hKyIVW0Rv8cd0c= =sAze -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] compiling kernel with acpi and w/o apic
I guess I need to rethink my plan for kernels. I thought 2.4.20 with preemptive patch would be a good move, but now I'm not so sure. I guess it's back to the research boards for me. My main complaint with Linux so far is the performance on high-end PC's, like my KX7-333 Board and Athlon XP thoroughbred cpu. I've been looking for improvement with optimizing gcc compiler flags, and now this preemptive kernel stuff looks extremely promising. Any advice is greatly welcome. I also just read there is a new Intel compiler for linux, that offers much improved application compiling. Thanks for the info, guys, Robert C. On Wednesday 18 December 2002 12:37 pm, Joan Tur wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Es Dimecres 18 Desembre 2002 15:28, en flacycads va escriure: Jack, I was getting ready to try 2.4.20, either vanilla (with preempt patch, and a modified Mandrake .conf), or cooker 2.4.20-2. Could you advise me in on as to why you aren't happy with 2.4.20? I was under the impression it fixed some USB problems, of which I am having. My experience is similar to Jack's: 2.4.19-19mdk works better to me than 2.4.20-2mdk: - -In both usb sound aren't working after resume (swsusp.sh 0.4) - -2.4.19-19 suspends (and resumes) fine, 2.4.20-2 sometimes hang and shows some errors when resuming. On Wednesday 18 December 2002 12:23 am, Jack Coates wrote: the default 9.0 kernel comes with a very old version of ACPI -- you should either go from vanilla (which broke USB in my case) or download a cooker kernel with newer ACPI. I've had ok luck with 2.4.19-19, currently on 2.4.20-2 and not happy with it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. -- ...Rob -- Putting the K in quality for 10^-2 centuries. = Robert Goshko Axis Computer Consulting Services, Inc President Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada http://www.axis-dev.ca/ Supporting the Revolution In Your World = Registered Linux User #260513 GNU/Linux i686 2.4.19-16mdk 11:37am up 4:20, 5 users, load average: 1.24, 1.16, 1.13 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0
Brian wrote: what happens if you try this: host name of client name of dns server The following: [jcolling@enigma jcolling]$ host spartack enigma ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached [jcolling@enigma jcolling]$ host spartack.microverse.net enigma Using domain server: Name: enigma Address: 192.168.1.253#53 Aliases: Host spartack.microverse.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) [jcolling@enigma jcolling]$ I should probably double check the db files as they were generated mostly by the wizard. On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:21:09 -0800 Jim C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I set up a dns server on my gateway. It works fine from the clients ... it. Anybody got any clues? Are there some issues of which I am not aware? Jim C. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0
Title: RE: [expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0 Does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file have 'dns' for hosts? -Original Message- From: Jim C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0 Brian wrote: what happens if you try this: host name of client name of dns server The following: [jcolling@enigma jcolling]$ host spartack enigma ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached [jcolling@enigma jcolling]$ host spartack.microverse.net enigma Using domain server: Name: enigma Address: 192.168.1.253#53 Aliases: Host spartack.microverse.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) [jcolling@enigma jcolling]$ I should probably double check the db files as they were generated mostly by the wizard. On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:21:09 -0800 Jim C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I set up a dns server on my gateway. It works fine from the clients ... it. Anybody got any clues? Are there some issues of which I am not aware? Jim C.
Re: [expert] Drowning Servers..... Literally.
Or some places just have STUPID architects. Our College had a new satellite campus built in a small town. The architect claimed to be an expert on designing for communications equipment and computer labs. When we went to set up all the servers and computers, we found a server room no bigger than a broom closet, with a WATER/air cooling system mounted ABOVE the cabinet built for the servers and hubs. There was not even a drip tray in case of dribble leakage, let alone protection from a serious blowout. The servers ended up occupying an empty nook next to someone's desk, and the server room is an air-conditioned mop-closet. And this jack-ass still gets PAID to design buildings! Ken On Wednesday 18 December 2002 03:16 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Todd Lyons wrote: 50/50 mix of Simple Green and Water, a 2 wide paint brush, and a soft-bristled toothbrush. Wash it down, rinse it with bottled water (or any other finely filtered water). Force air over it and let it dry overnight. A simple fan is really all that's needed with the humidity is low, a conditioned air source (preferably heated as opposed to cooled) if the humidity is high. After reading this, I thought to myself that I keep all my PCs off the floor (hurricanes are an annual threat in South Florida). I'd never need to clean a PC that got flooded. Yesterday I was making a cup of coffee using my trusty single cup BlackDecker Brew'N Go. Trouble is I forgot to put the cup underneath to catch the coffee. So the table caught it for me. And so did my laptop. Bleah. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity
On Tuesday 17 December 2002 10:18 pm, Joseph Braddock wrote: No, I don't think so. It is a brand new motherboard. however... it DID come with a special ide controller card. Seems that WD drives are junk based on another thread. :( Do you know the make of the special IDE controller card? Also, besides the card is there an on-board IDE? If you are using the card, is the on-board IDE disabled? Finally, if you are using the card, what happens if you remove it and use the on-board ide (or vice versa if you are using the on-board)? When I got all my new hardware and started building the system, I do remember having problems with the western digital drives the first day or two. I had used the first ide cables I had laying around and they were the old type. I had to use the newer UDMA type that I got with the hardware. From what I understand each signal line has its own ground line, maybe the western digitals have crappy electronics that are bad abt crosstalk. This system was built for over clocking and has plenty of fans and air flow, the power supply has plenty of power. I know some of the geforce 4 cards have had problems when the power supplies were not sufficient. Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:45, Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. The thing about RPM auto-installers (urpmi too) is that they work fine when a distribution is fresh. The problems arise when you want to install new stuff on said distribution and have to update 7/10ths of the system to satisfy dependencies that may or may not actually exist in the world outside of the RPM database. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
Ok, I understand your point and I sympathize. But, let's put my question in another form: which is the risk of installing some of the GNOME packages that are said to be required by the new Evolution 1.2 and which are not signed by Mandrake ? If I install libgtkhtml20, 1.0.4-6.ximian.1 as proposed by the new Evolution, where currently I have 1.0.4-4mdk, what will it happen when Mandrake will publish a version 1.0.4-6mdk or, anyway, a new version ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:45, Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. The thing about RPM auto-installers (urpmi too) is that they work fine when a distribution is fresh. The problems arise when you want to install new stuff on said distribution and have to update 7/10ths of the system to satisfy dependencies that may or may not actually exist in the world outside of the RPM database. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0
Grr!! It just started working again. Friggin thing is haunted or something. Hmmm... Either that or perhaps I was just tired lastnight. I did notice that this syntax for clients works: hostname1IN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2 IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3IN AXXX.XXX.X.239 while this does not: hostname1.IN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2. IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3.IN AXXX.XXX.X.239 I also noticed that if you use this: hostname1.network.netIN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2.network.net IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3.network.netIN AXXX.XXX.X.239 You can't then use hostname1 as an alias for hostname1.network.net Anyway thanks for all your help! :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems in shuttind down
Stefano, Miark, your suggestion works, THANKS a lot. Great to hear it. Sorry for asking this further question. I thought that autofs was useful for mounting ANY filesystem, including read-only NTFS and CD-ROMs. I suppose it is--many people on this list run it. But when you're running Supermount in addition to AutoFS, there's a conflict of interest, so to speak. Some people didn't get Supermount working to their satisfaction, so they stopped running that in favor of AutoFS. I was the opposite: Supermount works perfectly for me, so I killed AutoFS instead. I figured it would be the same for you. Now, I removed autofs, it properly shuts down and I STILL (fortunately) can read my NTFS filesystems and my CDROM. When you installed Mandrake, it made /etc/fstab entries for all that stuff. That's why you didn't experience any problems when you killed AutoFS. So, my question is: is autofs used ONLY for NTFS. No, not to my knowledge. But then again, I'm not really sure since I'm a Supermount kinda guy. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Drowning Servers..... Literally.
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ken Hawkins wrote: Or some places just have STUPID architects. Our College had a new satellite campus built in a small town. The architect claimed to be an expert on designing for communications equipment and computer labs. When we went to set up all the servers and computers, we found a server room no bigger than a broom closet, with a WATER/air cooling system mounted ABOVE the cabinet built for the servers and hubs. There was not even a drip tray in case of dribble leakage, let alone protection from a serious blowout. The servers ended up occupying an empty nook next to someone's desk, and the server room is an air-conditioned mop-closet. And this jack-ass still gets PAID to design buildings! At my last company, the main server room -- housing multiple Sun E250s, a couple E450s, a 6500, dozens of rack mounts -- had a huge glass window on the outside wall. Maybe the same architect designed ours too. Nothing like a huge glass window (not impact proof) in a place that gets at least a few tropical storms and a couple major hurricanes every few years. Not to mention the problem of having your entire data center visible from passers-by. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
Speaking from experience, something will break. I've been there. There's a reason why Red Carpet includes system update channels for your distro in addition to the desktop channel and any products you purchased... it's because they're creating an update path which has potential to be (and therefor eventually is) incompatible with the path provided via Mandrake. In a way this points to another weakness of RPM, which is the ability to specify dependencies with something like foobar version = 2.0. foobar2-1 and foobar-2-0.1 will fail, even though they have the right code inside them. Get two different distributors of the same libraries going on the same system, and sooner or later you're going to break something. If you go with Red Carpet, trust Ximian to do everything for you and quit using urpmi/rpmdrake. If you want to stick with urpmi/rpmdrake, then wait for Mandrake to package the rpms or build Ximian applications from .tgz. On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 11:27, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Ok, I understand your point and I sympathize. But, let's put my question in another form: which is the risk of installing some of the GNOME packages that are said to be required by the new Evolution 1.2 and which are not signed by Mandrake ? If I install libgtkhtml20, 1.0.4-6.ximian.1 as proposed by the new Evolution, where currently I have 1.0.4-4mdk, what will it happen when Mandrake will publish a version 1.0.4-6mdk or, anyway, a new version ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:45, Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. The thing about RPM auto-installers (urpmi too) is that they work fine when a distribution is fresh. The problems arise when you want to install new stuff on said distribution and have to update 7/10ths of the system to satisfy dependencies that may or may not actually exist in the world outside of the RPM database. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0
Jim C wrote: Grr!! It just started working again. Friggin thing is haunted or something. Hmmm... Either that or perhaps I was just tired lastnight. I did notice that this syntax for clients works: hostname1IN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2 IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3IN AXXX.XXX.X.239 while this does not: hostname1.IN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2. IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3.IN AXXX.XXX.X.239 I also noticed that if you use this: hostname1.network.netIN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2.network.net IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3.network.netIN AXXX.XXX.X.239 You can't then use hostname1 as an alias for hostname1.network.net What Happens if you set it up as hostname1.network.net.IN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2.network.net. IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3.network.net.IN AXXX.XXX.X.239 This should work, depending on the Original Zone that the db file is in. -- Albert E. Whale - CISSP http://www.abs-comptech.com -- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer Networking Specialists Sr. Security, Network, and Systems Consultant Board of Directors - InfraGard - Pittsburgh, PA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] compiling kernel with acpi and w/o apic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 18 December 2002 12:37 pm, Joan Tur wrote: Es Dimecres 18 Desembre 2002 15:28, en flacycads va escriure: Jack, I was getting ready to try 2.4.20, either vanilla (with preempt patch, and a modified Mandrake .conf), or cooker 2.4.20-2. Could you advise me in on as to why you aren't happy with 2.4.20? I was under the impression it fixed some USB problems, of which I am having. My experience is similar to Jack's: 2.4.19-19mdk works better to me than 2.4.20-2mdk: -In both usb sound aren't working after resume (swsusp.sh 0.4) -2.4.19-19 suspends (and resumes) fine, 2.4.20-2 sometimes hang and shows some errors when resuming. Any idea where I can still get a 2.4.19-19 kernel? Thanks, Sascha On Wednesday 18 December 2002 12:23 am, Jack Coates wrote: the default 9.0 kernel comes with a very old version of ACPI -- you should either go from vanilla (which broke USB in my case) or download a cooker kernel with newer ACPI. I've had ok luck with 2.4.19-19, currently on 2.4.20-2 and not happy with it. On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 08:19, Sascha Noyes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- - -- Please encrypt all correspondence. PGP key available from: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/snoyes.asc - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+AHovgzJdfX+cTW8RAlM4AKCWMKBt5EsHo/ooJPE5RZQEeI2CEQCeJTew BlZWpkmHxnIIQIG+T0ZUB9w= =7fSh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Drowning Servers..... Literally.
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 11:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ken Hawkins wrote: Or some places just have STUPID architects. Our College had a new satellite campus built in a small town. The architect claimed to be an expert on designing for communications equipment and computer labs. When we went to set up all the servers and computers, we found a server room no bigger than a broom closet, with a WATER/air cooling system mounted ABOVE the cabinet built for the servers and hubs. There was not even a drip tray in case of dribble leakage, let alone protection from a serious blowout. The servers ended up occupying an empty nook next to someone's desk, and the server room is an air-conditioned mop-closet. And this jack-ass still gets PAID to design buildings! At my last company, the main server room -- housing multiple Sun E250s, a couple E450s, a 6500, dozens of rack mounts -- had a huge glass window on the outside wall. Maybe the same architect designed ours too. Nothing like a huge glass window (not impact proof) in a place that gets at least a few tropical storms and a couple major hurricanes every few years. Not to mention the problem of having your entire data center visible from passers-by. I've seen probably a hundred server rooms and data centers all over the U.S. and Canada and most have got at least some level of problem... but my favorite is the place that was in a basement room separated by some drywall from another basement room where an environmental testing company was testing water samples and cleaning equipment. The predictable of course happened... Actually, my favorite favorite was the company that bought 32 fully loaded Catalyst 6509s for their new four-building campus and had us rack them before construction was completed on the buildings. They powered 16 of the switches up for burn-in over a weekend, sucking something like ten pounds of sheetrock dust through each. Within six weeks, every one of those switches had failed in some fashion or another, and all that we or Cisco could say is we told you not to power them on until the buildings were clean. Seems the contractor had told them that the telco rooms had separate HVAC systems, which would mean something if they weren't pulling air in from a construction site. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems in shuttind down
Thanks a lot, Miark. Last one: which is the service associated to supermount ? /stefano Miark wrote: Stefano, Miark, your suggestion works, THANKS a lot. Great to hear it. Sorry for asking this further question. I thought that autofs was useful for mounting ANY filesystem, including read-only NTFS and CD-ROMs. I suppose it is--many people on this list run it. But when you're running Supermount in addition to AutoFS, there's a conflict of interest, so to speak. Some people didn't get Supermount working to their satisfaction, so they stopped running that in favor of AutoFS. I was the opposite: Supermount works perfectly for me, so I killed AutoFS instead. I figured it would be the same for you. Now, I removed autofs, it properly shuts down and I STILL (fortunately) can read my NTFS filesystems and my CDROM. When you installed Mandrake, it made /etc/fstab entries for all that stuff. That's why you didn't experience any problems when you killed AutoFS. So, my question is: is autofs used ONLY for NTFS. No, not to my knowledge. But then again, I'm not really sure since I'm a Supermount kinda guy. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
Jack, what you say makes perfect sense to me. It was not what I wished to hear, but it is very logical and wise. So, anyone has an idea of when Mdk will package its own Evolution 1.2 ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: Speaking from experience, something will break. I've been there. There's a reason why Red Carpet includes system update channels for your distro in addition to the desktop channel and any products you purchased... it's because they're creating an update path which has potential to be (and therefor eventually is) incompatible with the path provided via Mandrake. In a way this points to another weakness of RPM, which is the ability to specify dependencies with something like foobar version = 2.0. foobar2-1 and foobar-2-0.1 will fail, even though they have the right code inside them. Get two different distributors of the same libraries going on the same system, and sooner or later you're going to break something. If you go with Red Carpet, trust Ximian to do everything for you and quit using urpmi/rpmdrake. If you want to stick with urpmi/rpmdrake, then wait for Mandrake to package the rpms or build Ximian applications from .tgz. On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 11:27, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Ok, I understand your point and I sympathize. But, let's put my question in another form: which is the risk of installing some of the GNOME packages that are said to be required by the new Evolution 1.2 and which are not signed by Mandrake ? If I install libgtkhtml20, 1.0.4-6.ximian.1 as proposed by the new Evolution, where currently I have 1.0.4-4mdk, what will it happen when Mandrake will publish a version 1.0.4-6mdk or, anyway, a new version ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:45, Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. The thing about RPM auto-installers (urpmi too) is that they work fine when a distribution is fresh. The problems arise when you want to install new stuff on said distribution and have to update 7/10ths of the system to satisfy dependencies that may or may not actually exist in the world outside of the RPM database. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
[expert] shorewall / connection sharing: solved
I was unable to get connection sharing to work with 9.0, and suspected that shorewall was the culprit. I browsed through the documentation at http://www.shorewall.net/FAQ.htm#faq15 which led me to check the configuration in /etc/shorewall/masq. I changed eth0192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 to: eth0192.168.1.0/24 and masquerading now works. Hope this helps. Brett Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
Texstar has Evo 1.2.1 available if you wish to go the apt/synaptic way for Mandrake. Michael Biddulph Brisbane Australia On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 6:05 am, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jack, what you say makes perfect sense to me. It was not what I wished to hear, but it is very logical and wise. So, anyone has an idea of when Mdk will package its own Evolution 1.2 ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: Speaking from experience, something will break. I've been there. There's a reason why Red Carpet includes system update channels for your distro in addition to the desktop channel and any products you purchased... it's because they're creating an update path which has potential to be (and therefor eventually is) incompatible with the path provided via Mandrake. In a way this points to another weakness of RPM, which is the ability to specify dependencies with something like foobar version = 2.0. foobar2-1 and foobar-2-0.1 will fail, even though they have the right code inside them. Get two different distributors of the same libraries going on the same system, and sooner or later you're going to break something. If you go with Red Carpet, trust Ximian to do everything for you and quit using urpmi/rpmdrake. If you want to stick with urpmi/rpmdrake, then wait for Mandrake to package the rpms or build Ximian applications from .tgz. On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 11:27, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Ok, I understand your point and I sympathize. But, let's put my question in another form: which is the risk of installing some of the GNOME packages that are said to be required by the new Evolution 1.2 and which are not signed by Mandrake ? If I install libgtkhtml20, 1.0.4-6.ximian.1 as proposed by the new Evolution, where currently I have 1.0.4-4mdk, what will it happen when Mandrake will publish a version 1.0.4-6mdk or, anyway, a new version ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:45, Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. The thing about RPM auto-installers (urpmi too) is that they work fine when a distribution is fresh. The problems arise when you want to install new stuff on said distribution and have to update 7/10ths of the system to satisfy dependencies that may or may not actually exist in the world outside of the RPM database. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CGI session management.
Franki wrote: I ended up using CGI::Session.. The access is all via 128 Verisign cert.. so no probs there.. CGI::Session also has an ip check feature you can turn on to make sure a login ID has the same IP each time. It also allows me to expire a session if its not been used for 15 minutes.. It does alot of other cool stuff.. including the storage of anything you want in the session data.. so you can save data between itinerations of the script.. (I'll eventually move to mod_perl, but for now this will be fine.. its all taint mode, using strict and warnings reporting no errors etc.. so mod_perl should be easy to swap to later.) Also if you use CGI::Session with MySQL, you get the added benefit of the db username/password. (The default mode of CGI::Session is to save state info into a session file in a tmp dir somewhere..) Its a very useful module.. together with CGI::Application and HTML::Template they are my favorite modules.. Till I find a better one.. (I change favorites alot while searching CPAN :-) rgds franki Frank, I've not yet spent any time learning to use the modules for PERL but you're really getting me wound up about the one's you've mentioned. know where a fella could find the docs to start learning to use the mods you've mentioned? Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Drowning Servers..... Literally.
You could try Everclear. James Sparenberg wrote: All, Ok ... here's one for you As you may or may not know California ... song? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
Thanks a lot, Michael. Do you know how to add both the RPMS and the Contrib directories of a Texstar mirror to the MandrakeUpdate program available in MDK 9.0 ? Thanks a lot indeed. /stefano Michael Biddulph wrote: Texstar has Evo 1.2.1 available if you wish to go the apt/synaptic way for Mandrake. Michael Biddulph Brisbane Australia On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 6:05 am, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jack, what you say makes perfect sense to me. It was not what I wished to hear, but it is very logical and wise. So, anyone has an idea of when Mdk will package its own Evolution 1.2 ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: Speaking from experience, something will break. I've been there. There's a reason why Red Carpet includes system update channels for your distro in addition to the desktop channel and any products you purchased... it's because they're creating an update path which has potential to be (and therefor eventually is) incompatible with the path provided via Mandrake. In a way this points to another weakness of RPM, which is the ability to specify dependencies with something like foobar version = 2.0. foobar2-1 and foobar-2-0.1 will fail, even though they have the right code inside them. Get two different distributors of the same libraries going on the same system, and sooner or later you're going to break something. If you go with Red Carpet, trust Ximian to do everything for you and quit using urpmi/rpmdrake. If you want to stick with urpmi/rpmdrake, then wait for Mandrake to package the rpms or build Ximian applications from .tgz. On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 11:27, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Ok, I understand your point and I sympathize. But, let's put my question in another form: which is the risk of installing some of the GNOME packages that are said to be required by the new Evolution 1.2 and which are not signed by Mandrake ? If I install libgtkhtml20, 1.0.4-6.ximian.1 as proposed by the new Evolution, where currently I have 1.0.4-4mdk, what will it happen when Mandrake will publish a version 1.0.4-6mdk or, anyway, a new version ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:45, Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. The thing about RPM auto-installers (urpmi too) is that they work fine when a distribution is fresh. The problems arise when you want to install new stuff on said distribution and have to update 7/10ths of the system to satisfy dependencies that may or may not actually exist in the world outside of the RPM database. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [expert] mail client
021218 Vasiliy Boulytchev wrote: Other than Kmail and trash like that, is there FINALLY a good mail client anyone using? I am dying here guys :(. I hope eudora grabs this open and empty market. like many people, i use recommend Mutt, which is simple powerful. of course, if you've got to have a GUI like dowslosers ... (smile) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
As far as I know apt/synaptic only work for his repository on ibiblio. I just downloaded apt, apt-devel and synaptic via ftp. Ran apt-get update Then you can use either apt-get or synaptic to install packages plus their dependencies. Steer clear of dist-upgrade, it may remove a whole lot more than you want it to. Someone else may know different... Michael Biddulph Brisbane Australia On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 08:26, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Thanks a lot, Michael. Do you know how to add both the RPMS and the Contrib directories of a Texstar mirror to the MandrakeUpdate program available in MDK 9.0 ? Thanks a lot indeed. /stefano Michael Biddulph wrote: Texstar has Evo 1.2.1 available if you wish to go the apt/synaptic way for Mandrake. Michael Biddulph Brisbane Australia On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 6:05 am, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jack, what you say makes perfect sense to me. It was not what I wished to hear, but it is very logical and wise. So, anyone has an idea of when Mdk will package its own Evolution 1.2 ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: Speaking from experience, something will break. I've been there. There's a reason why Red Carpet includes system update channels for your distro in addition to the desktop channel and any products you purchased... it's because they're creating an update path which has potential to be (and therefor eventually is) incompatible with the path provided via Mandrake. In a way this points to another weakness of RPM, which is the ability to specify dependencies with something like foobar version = 2.0. foobar2-1 and foobar-2-0.1 will fail, even though they have the right code inside them. Get two different distributors of the same libraries going on the same system, and sooner or later you're going to break something. If you go with Red Carpet, trust Ximian to do everything for you and quit using urpmi/rpmdrake. If you want to stick with urpmi/rpmdrake, then wait for Mandrake to package the rpms or build Ximian applications from .tgz. On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 11:27, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Ok, I understand your point and I sympathize. But, let's put my question in another form: which is the risk of installing some of the GNOME packages that are said to be required by the new Evolution 1.2 and which are not signed by Mandrake ? If I install libgtkhtml20, 1.0.4-6.ximian.1 as proposed by the new Evolution, where currently I have 1.0.4-4mdk, what will it happen when Mandrake will publish a version 1.0.4-6mdk or, anyway, a new version ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:45, Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. The thing about RPM auto-installers (urpmi too) is that they work fine when a distribution is fresh. The problems arise when you want to install new stuff on said distribution and have to update 7/10ths of the system to satisfy dependencies that may or may not actually exist in the world outside of the RPM database. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mail client
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 05:31:46PM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 021218 Vasiliy Boulytchev wrote: Other than Kmail and trash like that, is there FINALLY a good mail client anyone using? I am dying here guys :(. I hope eudora grabs this open and empty market. like many people, i use recommend Mutt, which is simple powerful. of course, if you've got to have a GUI like dowslosers ... (smile) jepp, agree with that. mutt is THE opensource mailer. goes easy with gpg and has a lot of mailinglist features. go4it. have phun ; miLosh -- DONT ATTACK IRAQ !!! this message was sent by: +--+ |.::|[ The pleXus Network ]|::.| +--+ www:plexus.shacknet.nu | ftp:plexus.shacknet.nu +---+ irc:plexus.shacknet.nu:6667 channel: #nocturne | +--+---+ pub 1024D/C944D699 miLosh (pleXus) [EMAIL PROTECTED] \_ Key fingerprint = 18FB 24BA 77A8 813F 6A8C F67B C08C 5A76 C944 D699 \ +--+ msg62998/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] mail client
I will try Mutt. My kmail crashed every day, with no sideaffects, luckily, so I am ready for new stuff. Netscapes mail client looks pretty, anything I should know about before tossing 20 IMAP accounts onto netscape? hehe Philip Webb wrote: 021218 Vasiliy Boulytchev wrote: Other than Kmail and trash like that, is there FINALLY a good mail client anyone using? I am dying here guys :(. I hope eudora grabs this open and empty market. like many people, i use recommend Mutt, which is simple powerful. of course, if you've got to have a GUI like dowslosers ... (smile) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
urpmi.addmedia Texstar http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.0/rpms with ./hdlist.cz On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 14:26, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Thanks a lot, Michael. Do you know how to add both the RPMS and the Contrib directories of a Texstar mirror to the MandrakeUpdate program available in MDK 9.0 ? Thanks a lot indeed. /stefano Michael Biddulph wrote: Texstar has Evo 1.2.1 available if you wish to go the apt/synaptic way for Mandrake. Michael Biddulph Brisbane Australia On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 6:05 am, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jack, what you say makes perfect sense to me. It was not what I wished to hear, but it is very logical and wise. So, anyone has an idea of when Mdk will package its own Evolution 1.2 ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: Speaking from experience, something will break. I've been there. There's a reason why Red Carpet includes system update channels for your distro in addition to the desktop channel and any products you purchased... it's because they're creating an update path which has potential to be (and therefor eventually is) incompatible with the path provided via Mandrake. In a way this points to another weakness of RPM, which is the ability to specify dependencies with something like foobar version = 2.0. foobar2-1 and foobar-2-0.1 will fail, even though they have the right code inside them. Get two different distributors of the same libraries going on the same system, and sooner or later you're going to break something. If you go with Red Carpet, trust Ximian to do everything for you and quit using urpmi/rpmdrake. If you want to stick with urpmi/rpmdrake, then wait for Mandrake to package the rpms or build Ximian applications from .tgz. On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 11:27, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Ok, I understand your point and I sympathize. But, let's put my question in another form: which is the risk of installing some of the GNOME packages that are said to be required by the new Evolution 1.2 and which are not signed by Mandrake ? If I install libgtkhtml20, 1.0.4-6.ximian.1 as proposed by the new Evolution, where currently I have 1.0.4-4mdk, what will it happen when Mandrake will publish a version 1.0.4-6mdk or, anyway, a new version ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:45, Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. The thing about RPM auto-installers (urpmi too) is that they work fine when a distribution is fresh. The problems arise when you want to install new stuff on said distribution and have to update 7/10ths of the system to satisfy dependencies that may or may not actually exist in the world outside of the RPM database. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mail client
This time Vasiliy Boulytchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: Ladies and Gents, Other than Kmail and trash like that, is there FINALLY a good mail client anyone using? I am dying here guys :(. I hope eudora grabs this open and empty market. If you want a powerful mail client, nothing beats gnus. On the other hand, you *have* to learn elisp to be able to do anything meaningful with gnus, but...what's another scripting/programming language? :) There's nothing you can't do with it, as long as you know elisp :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg63001/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0
I will assume that the domain you have set in your DNS is network.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim C Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] DNS trouble on MDK 9.0 Grr!! It just started working again. Friggin thing is haunted or something. Hmmm... Either that or perhaps I was just tired lastnight. I did notice that this syntax for clients works: hostname1IN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2 IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3IN AXXX.XXX.X.239 As the names are not ending with a period, these 3 lines are equivalents to hostname1.network.net.IN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2.network.net. IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3.network.net.IN AXXX.XXX.X.239 while this does not: hostname1.IN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2. IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3.IN AXXX.XXX.X.239 In these lines, because the names are ending with a period, you are telling that the full qualified name are just what typed, i.e, hostname1, hostname2 and hostname3. I also noticed that if you use this: hostname1.network.netIN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2.network.net IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3.network.netIN AXXX.XXX.X.239 Again, as in these lines the names are not are not ending with a period, these are equivalents to: hostname1.network.net.network.net.IN AXXX.XXX.X.252 hostname2.network.net.network.net. IN AXXX.XXX.X.251 hostname3.network.net.network.net.IN AXXX.XXX.X.239 You can't then use hostname1 as an alias for hostname1.network.net In other words, if you don't place a period after the name, the domain name is implicitly placed after the name. If you place a period after the name, that's going to be the real name, without the domain name being implicitly attached. Finally, to set an alias, use a CNAME register. Hope these few lines will help you. Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Drowning Servers..... Literally.
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 02:47 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ken Hawkins wrote: Or some places just have STUPID architects. Our College had a new satellite campus built in a small town. The architect claimed to be an expert on designing for communications equipment and computer labs. When we went to set up all the servers and computers, we found a server room no bigger than a broom closet, with a WATER/air cooling system mounted ABOVE the cabinet built for the servers and hubs. There was not even a drip tray in case of dribble leakage, let alone protection from a serious blowout. The servers ended up occupying an empty nook next to someone's desk, and the server room is an air-conditioned mop-closet. And this jack-ass still gets PAID to design buildings! At my last company, the main server room -- housing multiple Sun E250s, a couple E450s, a 6500, dozens of rack mounts -- had a huge glass window on the outside wall. Maybe the same architect designed ours too. Nothing like a huge glass window (not impact proof) in a place that gets at least a few tropical storms and a couple major hurricanes every few years. Not to mention the problem of having your entire data center visible from passers-by. I don't think that you can place all of the blame on the architect. At some point in the design process, there must have been a design review by the client. The major purpose of these reviews is to identify and resolve exactly such flaws as have been mentioned. My guess is that either the knowledgeable people weren't invited, the CEO wanted visitors to be impressed with what an extremely high tech outfit lived in the building, or the IT guy didn't bother to review the drawings before the meeting. (Not that I hold any brief for architects, but as an engineer who spent 40 years designing industrial products, I have endured my share of design reviews. While it was never easy to see my baby torn apart, I also knew that it was better to fix these problems while they could be resolved by moving some lines around rather than after all of that money had been spent.) I'm curious about one thing. From what I remember from my HVAC course, I'd think that a big window in a southern location implies great amounts of radiant heat gain at certain times of the day (unless the window faced the north). Did this have any effect on the equipment? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Error building NVIDIA rpm
On Wednesday December 18 2002 11:16 am, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:55:27 -0300 Toshiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, your were right :), the kernel-headers version is 2.4.18-41mdk and the other packages are 2.4.19-16, but that's what's on the Mandrake CDs, is the 'kernel-headers' rpm the wrong version? The kernel-header rpm is provided by the glibc pkg Not the kernel pkg. Its version used for the kernel headers rpm is therefore dependent upon the version of the kernel used by the glibc build system. Running 9.0 kernel-headers-2.4.18-41 is the correct version. Charles Sure'nough, kernel headers have been parked in glibc for quite a while now. Closed source drivers that intrude (ie, (win/lin hardware), and applications that introduce crud into the kernel is on the way out. ...or so it seems http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/12/12/vanishing.html Recent, even older, lkml traffic, including Linus' opinion (from the start) of their intrusions in kernel space /libs indicates this past abiltiy is fixin to be very limited, seems even excluded. IMO, sooner the better. I believe it'll probly cut down on a sh!+load of tainted linux system bug reports, or at least make them more valid. Hopefully, nVidia, et al, is either gonna have to cough up source, or y'all can park their stuff on old kernels. I reckon they will in order to keep Hollywood and the growin linux business. Maybe? Hopefully IMO. It's sort'a kind'a getin down to 'put up or hush up' in the kernel and libs. 'Course I imagine they'll be work-arounds, then y'all can call your installs, lin-doze ... with about the same amount of security and ability to open support. howdy Charles, -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] USB hard drive as backup
On Tuesday 17 December 2002 01:05 pm, Jonathan Dlouhy wrote: I'm thinking of buying a USB hard drive to use as a backup. Any reccomendations would be helpful. Brands, compatabilty, etc. I was considering Maxtor since it seems to be the drive du jour. BTW, I'm using LM9, two WD drives, ASUS mobo PIII 450mhz , two USB ports, ATI videocard, your basic homemade box. I use a spare 2.5 notebook hard disks for my portable / external USB drive casing when i upgraded my notebooks' HDD. It's convenient if you are on the go since it's smaller but a little slower in rpm (4800 rpm) compared to 3.5 minimum of 5400 rpm. I've read somewhere that notebook HDDs will be coming out with 7200 rpm versions next year. -- AFernando email address(es): [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] USB hard drive as backup
On Thursday 19 December 2002 09:29 am, AFernando wrote: I use a spare 2.5 notebook hard disks for my portable / external USB drive casing when i upgraded my notebooks' HDD. It's convenient if you are on the go since it's smaller but a little slower in rpm (4800 rpm) compared to 3.5 minimum of 5400 rpm. I've read somewhere that notebook HDDs will be coming out with 7200 rpm versions next year. Forgot to add: Try not to buy Fujitsu HDDs. My personal preferences are in this order Seagate, IBM (so so but no much choice for notebooks). Maxtor, Quantum... -- AFernando email address(es): [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] S3 Trio, Voodoo2, and XFree86 4.2.1
(Sorry if you've seen this before. I asked about this a few days ago, but didn't see my message on the list, or any replies.) I am trying to configure a PII system that has an S3 Trio3D graphics chip, and an added Voodoo2 3dfx card. According to the documentation, these are both supported by Xfree 4.2.1, though not by earlier XFree 4 versions. Mandrake 9 only offers XFree 3.3.6, though, and doesn't even give me the option to choose version 4 (although 4.2.1 is the version that comes with MDK9.0). I have spent some time on google, but have not really found what I need. How can I force it to use XFree 4.2.1? And how can I configure it to use the graphics acceleration capabilities of the 3dfx card? Brian. _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity
yup, I'd agree with that.. So far the only drive brand I've not had issues with.. is IBM.. I have had one IBM drive fail, but it was a travelstar.. (laptop drive) and it had been hammered for 3 years. dropped twice and generally misused. and it still gave me time to copy all the important stuff off before it died.. Till I have an IBM or two fail, they are still my favorite... Incidently, when I worked for octek, we sold Fujitsu drives. (just after seagate bought conner) and even back them we had tons of failures, most of the faulty ones were DOA, they never made it off the premises.. They then swapped to quantum... Rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir Sent: Wednesday, 18 December 2002 8:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity --- Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 17 December 2002 02:04 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: What is amazing to me is that nobody has had anything to say (positive or negative) about: 1) IBM drives 2) Seagate drives I have my own personal experiences with them, but am curious what others have seen. Blue skies...Todd Todd, IBM released a statement saying that their drives were not meant to be used 24 hours a day/7 days a week. (or some such to that effect). Since then, their reputation has been less than glowing. I've got a 60 gig Deskstar IDE that I've had no problems with (so far). Got a 20 gig IDE Seagate in my youngests' computer - no problems with it so far either. I believe that any manufacturer is going to have manufacturing problems at one time or another. It is statistically inevitable. IBM referred to the statement above afterward, stating that there was alot of misunderstanding about that statement; however we all know how the internet is these days and the negatives cascaded rapidly, as they are wont to do on any vulnerable topic, be it Mandrakeclub or Trent Lott. I have two IBM Deskstars here that have performed flawlessly since I got them almost two years ago. The last Seagate that I got came from the factory with the lid sealed on with chrome tape. After that I vowed never again to touch a seagate. Within some months after that happened, the Walnut Creek servers were taken down so that they could remove all of the top of the line Barracudas they had just installed. Everybody deserves a manufacturing defect break now and again. But if you're Western Digital and you cut the data crc checks from the hard drive design in order to gain a performance edge, that's clearly not a manufacturing defect issue. That's a design issue. If you are willing to cut primary features out of a design in order to save money, then what else is wrong? More to the point, what else have they not told you and what else will you find out about later from the linux hardware testers because the win hardware testers don't have a clue? These are problems that IBM does *not* have and it's why I'm sticking with them as long as I can. --LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Error building NVIDIA rpm
On Monday 16 December 2002 09:55 pm, Toshiro wrote: Well, your were right :), the kernel-headers version is 2.4.18-41mdk and the other packages are 2.4.19-16, but that's what's on the Mandrake CDs, is the 'kernel-headers' rpm the wrong version? Updating to a later kernel-headers packages has got to be worth a try. I've got the 2.4.19 version on my system and the driver compiled without a hitch. Normally, there is some difference between the kernel-headers version and the rest of the kernel packages, but I'm not sure that putting 2.4.18 with 2.4.19 would work. Then again, I'm not sure it wouldn't, but you've got nothing to lose by trying... -Jason = I thought it was going to be bucket-of-water time myself. -- Gaspode's way of saying I'm sorry, was I intruding? (Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] timestamp info in bash script
is there a way to obtain the time and date of a file without having to parse the ls command output? bascule -- 'I think, if you want thousands, you've got to fight for one.' (Small Gods) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Error building NVIDIA rpm
I found the 2.4.19-16 headers rpm and installed the nvidia rpms just fine . would you like me to send it to you? Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA ° Currently triple booting 98lite; MDK 8.0 kernel 2.4.3-20; MDK 9.0 kernel 2.4.19-16 Registered Linux User #248955 ° If obstacles are what you see in your path... Then you have lost sight of your goal! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] test command
$echo $? returns 0 after these test commands. (B (B$test -z "" (B$test -z (B (BBut it returns different value after followings. (B (B$test -n ""-- echo$? returns 1 (B$test -n -- " " 0 (B (BCan someone explain why it goes as above? Especially (BI don't figure out why $test -n returns 0. (B (B+-+ * Get your own Jmail account.|URL= http://www.jmail.co.jp (B|--jmail--| * Get your own home page.|URL= http://www.servance.jp (B+-+ * Get your own domain.|URL= http://domaintorou.com/ (B Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] timestamp info in bash script
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 19:29, bascule wrote: is there a way to obtain the time and date of a file without having to parse the ls command output? bascule Sure, parse the stat output instead :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity
I know there are very likely valid technical reasons against WD drives in linux, everything that I have heard about WD drives bothers me deeply. On the other hand, if my Maxtor drive crashes tomorrow, that does not mean that Maxtor is a bad brand, absolutely not. We cannot infer anything about the reliability of the manufacturers from individual drives. Now, if we have large scale reliability data, then we can start talking ... [Actually, this list as a collective may be able to provide such a large scale dataset]. But this is why I encourage everybody to participate in the StorageReview drive reliability survey at http://www.storagereview.com/ Please stop by there and enter information your present and past drives. There is only one trick in this game: You can't view the results of the survey without first registering at StorageReview and then entering information on at least one hard drive. If you decide to register and enter data there, please don't bias the survey by only entering information about drives that have crashed on you or been DOA, enter instead information about all your drives. Right now, the readers of StorageReview have entered data about a total of 9059 drives. Narfi. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] timestamp info in bash script
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 19:29, bascule wrote: is there a way to obtain the time and date of a file without having to parse the ls command output? bascule okay, serious answer this time. man bash and look for -ot and -nt -- older than and newer than, respectively. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] mail client
Ladies and Gents, Other than Kmail and trash like that, is there FINALLY a good mail client anyone using? I am dying here guys :(. I hope eudora grabs this open and empty market. -- Vasiliy Boulytchev Colorado Information Technologies Inc. (719) 473-2800 x15 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mail client
I use Mozilla Mail happily every day. I find it perfect for my needs with excellent filter functionality. What exactly are you looking for in your perfect mail client? I used to use Eudora and find Mozilla beats it hands down for my needs. Cheers Jason Vasiliy Boulytchev wrote: Ladies and Gents, Other than Kmail and trash like that, is there FINALLY a good mail client anyone using? I am dying here guys :(. I hope eudora grabs this open and empty market. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mail client
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:25 am, Vasiliy Boulytchev wrote: Ladies and Gents, Other than Kmail and trash like that, is there FINALLY a good mail client anyone using? I am dying here guys :(. I hope eudora grabs this open and empty market. Hello, [checks mail headers] You're using KMail 1.4.3 as well! I'm quite happy with it, and obviously it works for you as well. If you're new from windows and dying for your Outlook Express, then use Ximian Evolution. I take it you wouldn't be happy with PINE (licencing problems anyway) or MAPLE, which are text-based. Mozilla as someone else suggested might suit you. And don't even bother checking MY X-Mailer. It's Outlook Expresss 9.50.NET. Cheers and regards, _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity
--- Narfi Stefansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there are very likely valid technical reasons against WD drives in linux, everything that I have heard about WD drives bothers me deeply. On the other hand, if my Maxtor drive crashes tomorrow, that does not mean that Maxtor is a bad brand, absolutely not. We cannot infer anything about the reliability of the manufacturers from individual drives. Now, if we have large scale reliability data, then we can start talking ... [Actually, this list as a collective may be able to provide such a large scale dataset]. Tell me you didn't have that in mind when you started typing this email. ;) This is a very good suggestion and I am all for it. Thanks! But this is why I encourage everybody to participate in the StorageReview drive reliability survey at http://www.storagereview.com/ Please stop by there and enter information your present and past drives. There is only one trick in this game: You can't view the results of the survey without first registering at StorageReview and then entering information on at least one hard drive. I'm surprised to see that name again. StorageReview has been a highly respected and valuable resource in the past, and I have used it quite a bit to make buying decisions. This is the first time I've seen someone else advertise it. If you decide to register and enter data there, please don't bias the survey by only entering information about drives that have crashed on you or been DOA, enter instead information about all your drives. Right now, the readers of StorageReview have entered data about a total of 9059 drives. Narfi. Good work, --LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Using Red-Carpet for Evolution 1.2?
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 15:15, Jack Coates wrote: urpmi.addmedia Texstar http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.0/rpms with ./hdlist.cz First thanks for the above... worked like a charm... second if anyone else does this there is a hitch. You keep getting an error libgal.so.19 is needed by libgtkhtml20-1.0.4-4mdk Now the above are both needed by evo 1.0.8 and will get replaced as soon as you install evo 1.2.1 so I had to do rpm -e libgtkhtml20 gtkhtml --nodeps Then urpmi evolution And everyting was kosher once again... James On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 14:26, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Thanks a lot, Michael. Do you know how to add both the RPMS and the Contrib directories of a Texstar mirror to the MandrakeUpdate program available in MDK 9.0 ? Thanks a lot indeed. /stefano Michael Biddulph wrote: Texstar has Evo 1.2.1 available if you wish to go the apt/synaptic way for Mandrake. Michael Biddulph Brisbane Australia On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 6:05 am, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Jack, what you say makes perfect sense to me. It was not what I wished to hear, but it is very logical and wise. So, anyone has an idea of when Mdk will package its own Evolution 1.2 ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: Speaking from experience, something will break. I've been there. There's a reason why Red Carpet includes system update channels for your distro in addition to the desktop channel and any products you purchased... it's because they're creating an update path which has potential to be (and therefor eventually is) incompatible with the path provided via Mandrake. In a way this points to another weakness of RPM, which is the ability to specify dependencies with something like foobar version = 2.0. foobar2-1 and foobar-2-0.1 will fail, even though they have the right code inside them. Get two different distributors of the same libraries going on the same system, and sooner or later you're going to break something. If you go with Red Carpet, trust Ximian to do everything for you and quit using urpmi/rpmdrake. If you want to stick with urpmi/rpmdrake, then wait for Mandrake to package the rpms or build Ximian applications from .tgz. On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 11:27, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Ok, I understand your point and I sympathize. But, let's put my question in another form: which is the risk of installing some of the GNOME packages that are said to be required by the new Evolution 1.2 and which are not signed by Mandrake ? If I install libgtkhtml20, 1.0.4-6.ximian.1 as proposed by the new Evolution, where currently I have 1.0.4-4mdk, what will it happen when Mandrake will publish a version 1.0.4-6mdk or, anyway, a new version ? /stefano Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:45, Robert Goshko wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:09, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Rob, if you downloaded all the packages, then you manually did what Red Carpet did ! I mean, you installed some other packages that could, one day, conflict with the ones from Mandrake. Am I correct ? Stefano, In theory, but from some of the postings I've seen on the Ximain User mailing list, this seems to vary. I hear lots of people complaining about how Red Carpet did this and that to my system. I have never tried it so I cannot tell you first hand. I am always a little weary of just push the button and we will download what you need and install it software, call me old fashioned, but if the system is going to get pooched, I would like to do it myself, at least I'll know exactly what I did. The thing about RPM auto-installers (urpmi too) is that they work fine when a distribution is fresh. The problems arise when you want to install new stuff on said distribution and have to update 7/10ths of the system to satisfy dependencies that may or may not actually exist in the world outside of the RPM database. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mail client
That is very strange... Although I use Evolution, both my wife and my mother are running Kmail, my wife has to see a crash yet. My mother did have prolbems with the kmail package build by SuSE (it was the KDE 3.0.4 upgrade). The RPM's from the KDE site worked fine however. Kind regards Guy On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 00:02, Vasiliy Boulytchev wrote: I will try Mutt. My kmail crashed every day, with no sideaffects, luckily, so I am ready for new stuff. Netscapes mail client looks pretty, anything I should know about before tossing 20 IMAP accounts onto netscape? hehe Philip Webb wrote: 021218 Vasiliy Boulytchev wrote: Other than Kmail and trash like that, is there FINALLY a good mail client anyone using? I am dying here guys :(. I hope eudora grabs this open and empty market. like many people, i use recommend Mutt, which is simple powerful. of course, if you've got to have a GUI like dowslosers ... (smile) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Guy Van Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[expert] [repost] Evolution Weirdness
Hello I'm having a very weird problem with evolution... Currently, I'm running 1.2, but it was there too on 1.0.8. My system is Mandrake 9.0. My mail-list-display shows times in 12 hour format, where my locale is set to use 24 hour. All other apps (like sylpheed) detect this correct. But here comes the weird part, All other users on the system have the same locale settings (it is done via /etc/profile.d). Evolution for them shows the 24 hour format. If I copy my evolution directory to another account, it shows 24 hour format. If I remove my home directory and replace it with an empty one, the 12 hour setting remains. It seems only linked to my userID. Verifying with a working Id on my system, settings apart from UID seem identical: id gvs -- has the problem uid=1002(gvs) gid=1002(home) groups=1002(home),80(cdwriter),1001(users),1004(cvs) id ness uid=1003(ness) gid=1002(home) groups=1002(home),80(cdwriter),1001(users),1004(cvs) locale (for both) LANG=en_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_CTYPE=en_US LC_NUMERIC=en_US LC_TIME=en_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_COLLATE=en_US LC_MONETARY=en_US LC_MESSAGES=en_US LC_PAPER=en_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_NAME=en_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_ADDRESS=en_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_TELEPHONE=en_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_ALL= There are no specific profile settings for gvs, as I can rule out diffences in the homedir. The Mandrake 9 system is newly installed and replaces my SuSE 8.0 with also had the same problem. Some background: my userID's are obtained from a NIS server running FreeBSD. The homedirectories are also mounted from that system, with the 'nolock' option to make evolution happy. Help ;-) Guy -- Guy Van Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[expert] [repost] XFree 4 resolutions
Hello I have a slight problem with XFree. I set up my parent's PC to watch DVD's on a TV. To to this, the resolution needs to be switched to 800x600 under their USERID's (no root). This works by pressing CTRL-ALT-+/- The monitor switches to 800x600 but the desktop doesn't. It is now larger then the physical screen, and you can scroll through it with the mouse. Is there some option I can set to turn this behaviour off? Thanks Guy -- Guy Van Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
