Re: [expert] samba

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 31 Mar 2003 11:33 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 15:44, richard bown wrote:
> > Now I'm confused :(
> >
> > The windows box only has 2 users, both have a null string as a password,
> > ie I login as "richard" with a blank password.
> > When I login to this box as a user "richard" and the password is
> > "richard".
> > I dont think linux likes null strings as passwords.
>
> On the Linux machine you'll need to create equivalent samba users with:
>
>   smbadduser richard:richard
>   It will prompt for a password. Just press Enter to disable the
> passwords.
>
I have only ever once added one user with a null password, and it never 
worked.  I don't think samba does like null passwords - though it's possible 
that there is a minimum length for passwords set somewhere.  To eliminate 
this as a suspect, could you set one of the windows machine with a password, 
match it on linux and samba and see if it appears?

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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 - a big puzzle

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 30 Mar 2003 4:10 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 09:58, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I've installed the 2.4.21 kernel, and think that with a bit of help it
> > should be possible to get the camera working now.  It has been recognised
> > as /dev/sdb1 (see fstab attached).  Under /mnt I find /camera/dcim - I
> > had made a mountpoint 'camera' when trying to get this working before,
> > but the 'dcim' is totally new, and, I believe, an attempt to read the
> > camera.
> >
> > >From mount -a I get:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]# mount -a
> > mount: No medium found
> > mount: fs type umask=0 not supported by kernel
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]#
> >
> > Selecting either 'removable' or 'camera/dcim' from a file manager, either
> > as root or user, opens as an empty directory, whereas I know there are
> > images.
> >
> > It has the feel of a permissions problem, but I can't spot it.  What am I
> > missing?
> >
> > Anne
>
> Couple of things I notice.  It seems that the mount point is
> /mnt/removable  not /mnt/camera/dcim 

Yes - I haven't figured this out yet.  The fstab line was put in by Mandrake 
and I haven't touched it, yet the mount appears to be under /camera.  I guess 
I need to find out where it is getting this from.

> second is the reference to kudzu.
> Since kudzu is long gone from MDK this might be hanging it up.
>
Again, I did not put this in, Mandrake did.  This is the new kernel, installed 
with 9.0.

> Another thing... someone correct me please if I'm wrong shouldn't it be
> fs=auto instead of just auto?  Finally not sure what the exec at the end
> does for you.  It's supposed to allow for the execution of binaries but
> since this doesn't have binaries I'm not sure how it will help.
>
I'm reluctant to mess with a line that Mandrake put in until I know exactly 
why I'm doing it.

> End result.
>
>
> /dev/sdb1 /mnt/removable fs=auto
> user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0  0 0
>
>
> James

I appreciate your thoughts, James.  There's something very puzzling here.  I 
feel that I am within a hair's breadth of getting it working, but just can't 
spot the last link.

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RE: [expert] samba

2003-04-01 Thread Frankie
if you use windows find to look for the machine.. can it see it then??

Start->search/find->Computers

and enter the hostname of the linux server (in my case the server is called
"home")

windows networking can be a pain the first time with samba..
I have never had a problem setting it up after my first ever battle...

The problem is that you can't SEE the linux machines from windows..solve
that first, worry about loggin in later.

fireup komba2 and see if you can access the windows machines from the linux
box.. that should tell you if there is a network config issue.


let us know if you can see the machines both ways.


rgds

Franki

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On Monday 31 Mar 2003 11:33 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 15:44, richard bown wrote:
> > Now I'm confused :(
> >
> > The windows box only has 2 users, both have a null string as a password,
> > ie I login as "richard" with a blank password.
> > When I login to this box as a user "richard" and the password is
> > "richard".
> > I dont think linux likes null strings as passwords.
>
> On the Linux machine you'll need to create equivalent samba users with:
>
>   smbadduser richard:richard
>   It will prompt for a password. Just press Enter to disable the
> passwords.
>
I have only ever once added one user with a null password, and it never
worked.  I don't think samba does like null passwords - though it's possible
that there is a minimum length for passwords set somewhere.  To eliminate
this as a suspect, could you set one of the windows machine with a password,
match it on linux and samba and see if it appears?

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[expert] GnomeICU broken (mdk 9.1)

2003-04-01 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
cheers folks,

I just encountered, the GnomeICU 0.98.123 package is seriously broken.
Sending german chars (äöüß) failsthe message to be sent with the error:

 There was an error converting your message from UTF8 to your locale.
 You probably entered a character which doesn't exist in your locale.
 YOUR MESSAGE WASN'T SENT.

btw: Is there any chance of getting the latest 0.99 version packaged by
you guys?


Beside that: Great release folks! :)  And a real good installer!

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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 - a big puzzle

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 9:05 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> mount: fs type umask=0 not supported by kernel

Thinking about this a bit more, I'm wondering about that error in mount -a.  
The 'media not found' is irrelevant, I think, being the LS120 drive not in 
use.  But what about that 'mount: fs type umask=0 not supported by kernel'?  
The new line put into fstab by Mandrake contains 'umask=0,exec 0 0'.  This is 
a form I haven't met before.  Is there a connection, I wonder?  Again, I 
tended to trust the line because it was automatically generated.

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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 - a big puzzle

2003-04-01 Thread Thomas Sourmail
> use.  But what about that 'mount: fs type umask=0 not supported by kernel'?  
> The new line put into fstab by Mandrake contains 'umask=0,exec 0 0'.  This is 
> a form I haven't met before.  Is there a connection, I wonder?  Again, I 


Wonder not. You need to sepcify the filesystem type in fstab. If you
forget, umask=0 is taken as indicating the fs type (and of course there is
not such fs). 

'man mount' should help

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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 - SOLVED, though still puzzled

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 10:24 am, Thomas Sourmail wrote:
> > use.  But what about that 'mount: fs type umask=0 not supported by
> > kernel'? The new line put into fstab by Mandrake contains 'umask=0,exec 0
> > 0'.  This is a form I haven't met before.  Is there a connection, I
> > wonder?  Again, I
>
> Wonder not. You need to sepcify the filesystem type in fstab. If you
> forget, umask=0 is taken as indicating the fs type (and of course there is
> not such fs).
>
> 'man mount' should help
>
> Thomas.

I was right - it was a permissions issue all the time.  By doing a mount -a I 
had mounted it as root, and user had no permission.  At least I'm fairly sure 
this is what has happened, because I logged out, then in again, and I can 
read the camera now!

I'm still puzzled about the mount point, though.  mtab clearly shows it 
mounted under /mnt/camera, although fstab seems to mount it under 
/mnt/removable.  I wonder if this is a sort of generic mount point which has 
to be redirected, and has been given 'camera' on the assumption that it was 
created for that purpose?  Seems a far-fetched guess, but I can't think of 
any other explanation.

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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 again!

2003-04-01 Thread john
On Monday 31 Mar 2003 H:26 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Monday 31 Mar 2003 7:08 pm, Brian wrote:
> > On Monday 31 March 2003 12:58 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > I've installed the 2.4.21 kernel, and think that with a bit of help
> > > it should be possible to get the camera working now.  It has been
> > > recognised as /dev/sdb1 (see fstab attached).  Under /mnt I find
> > > /camera/dcim - I had made a mountpoint 'camera' when trying to get
> > > this working before, but the 'dcim' is totally new, and, I believe,
> > > an attempt to read the camera.
> > >
> > > From mount -a I get:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]# mount -a
> > > mount: No medium found
> > > mount: fs type umask=0 not supported by kernel
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]#
> > >
> > > Selecting either 'removable' or 'camera/dcim' from a file manager,
> > > either as root or user, opens as an empty directory, whereas I know
> > > there are images.
> > >
> > > It has the feel of a permissions problem, but I can't spot it.
> > > What am I missing?
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > The dcim is the folder on the media, it should contain your images if
> > you have any on the camera.  Sounds like you have done it.
> >
> > Brian
>
> That's what I thought, Brian, but I can't see the images in Konqueror.
>
> Anne

Anne,
I found a similar thing with my Zio Smartcard reader, with a smartcard full of 
photos I could browse them in Gphoto but Konqueror showed dcim as an 
apparently empty directory, I played around with the icon sizes (don't know 
why) and the photos appeared in Konqueror


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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 again!

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 11:37 am, john wrote:
> > That's what I thought, Brian, but I can't see the images in Konqueror.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Anne,
> I found a similar thing with my Zio Smartcard reader, with a smartcard full
> of photos I could browse them in Gphoto but Konqueror showed dcim as an
> apparently empty directory, I played around with the icon sizes (don't know
> why) and the photos appeared in Konqueror

Thanks, John.  It turned out to be permissions after all.  I had run mount -a 
as root, so as a user I did not hav permissions.

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Re: [expert] print multi-page TIFF files?

2003-04-01 Thread Steffen Barszus
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 08:32, Martin Fahrendorf wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 1. April 2003 03:19 schrieb Jack Coates:
> > any one have a way to print a multiple-page fax sent as a TIFF? I hate
> > to boot VMware just to print it, but it looks like that's the only
> > option -- everything in Linux only shows page 1.
>
> ah, you can do it with efix (part of the efax package) simply run
> 'efix tifffile.tiff > psfile.ps'. But afaik kfax can do it too.
>
> Martin

gs should be able to do this too (or was it a tool from libtiff ?). It is 
definitly possible as I had a faxserver running here to receive faxes and got 
the faxes in pdf-attached emails. 

From man tiff2ps:

The  following generates POSTSCRIPT Level II for all pages of a facsim-
ile:
  tiff2ps -a2 fax.tif | lpr

So multipage TIFF => PS should work. 

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[expert] [squid-users] running out of file descriptors

2003-04-01 Thread Mike Rambo
We're running squid-2.4.STABLE7-2mdk on Mandrake Linux release 9.0
(dolphin) for i586. It's been running ok for a few weeks. I noticed this
morning numerous "WARNING! Your cache is running out of filedescriptors"
errors in cache.log.

Googling didn't come up with anything definitive. I did find a couple
of ML messages about editing a header file in squid and recompiling but
I hesitate to embark upon that adventure without knowing for sure that
it is really related to my problem.

Does anyone have any experience with this problem or know what that
error refers to?

Thanks.


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Re: [expert] acpi and resume on a Toshiba Satellite 4090

2003-04-01 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
On 30 Mar 2003, James Sparenberg wrote:

I'll do a double check at home.  All that said, you're using 'pmsuspend',
right?

> Yes... if I leave it commented out ... it goes to ram... (verified by
> removing power suspend is lost.) If I comment it in it goes to
> disk.. Perhaps a setting in your BIOS.  As long as you don't have a bios
> like mine you might be able to change it.

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Re: [expert] Enlarging Swap

2003-04-01 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
That's lead to another question.  I'm just using swap for suspend tests.
Now that I have created (add) another swap partition to have memory enough
to suspend to HD, my doubt is what should I have to put in lilo append?
To complicate a little more, none of my swap partitions has alone space
enough to cover RAM, but both together do.
Answering myself, I think that I had to put at least one swap partition
big enough and set it at lilo, right?

Cheers,

On 30 Mar 2003, James Sparenberg wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 16:37, Jim C wrote:
> > I'm a little confused here.  Shouldn't adding memory to a box mean you
> > don't need as much swap?
>
> My understanding is that in a way you are right, in a way not. (Hows
> that for a definitive answer.)  More ram decreases the likely hood of
> needing to use swap but the old rule of thumb 2x ram=swap still is
> applied.  I will be honest in saying that above about 256M or ram  the
> only thing I use swap for is suspend space based on what I do.  In fact
> I did pull a real boner about 6 months ago and built a box with 768M ram
> and forgot to create a swap partition.  It ran pretty well for a long
> time... we noticed it when it went into an infinite loop one day.
> (programing loop.) and it was trying to page.  Put an old 2gig in it as
> a swap drive just in case but it really didn't "improve" things at all
> except when the infinite loop is run.

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Re: [expert] Enlarging Swap

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 2:16 pm, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote:
> That's lead to another question.  I'm just using swap for suspend tests.
> Now that I have created (add) another swap partition to have memory enough
> to suspend to HD, my doubt is what should I have to put in lilo append?
> To complicate a little more, none of my swap partitions has alone space
> enough to cover RAM, but both together do.
> Answering myself, I think that I had to put at least one swap partition
> big enough and set it at lilo, right?
>
I have two smallish swap partitions, each with its own line in fstab, thus:

/dev/hde7 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hdf5 swap swap defaults 0 0

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[expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Frankie
Hi guys,

I have to write a webapp with a downlaod option for the data..
at present the format is in .csv (comma seperated values)

however there are massive limitations to what csv can display. notably there
is no way to make headers of format the data at all

In word processors we have rich text format (.rtf) is there anything
available that does the same thing for spreadsheets?

It must be openable in excel, lotus etc.. and hopefully openoffice as
well...

Does anyone have any suggestions on this one??


regards


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Re: [expert] double click close

2003-04-01 Thread Lorne
On Sunday 30 March 2003 02:44 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 19:51, Lorne wrote:
> > On Monday 31 March 2003 05:32 pm, Jim C wrote:
> > > This is how you would fix it in Mdk 9.0 and it is probably similar in
> > > 9.1
> > >
> > > 1. Go to KDE Control Center | Look and Feel | Window Decoration
> > > 2. Change the Window Decoration to match your needs.
> > >
> > > Be aware that in 9.0 there was a check box at the botton of the screen
> > > that provided access to the "Buttons" tab so that this could be
> > > customized.
> > >
> > > Bottum line:  The Window Decoration screen *should* be where this is
> > > fixed.
> >
> > It was working until I upgraded to 9.1 I noticed that the buttons tab is
> > greyed out. ?? I wonder if something has broken in this release?
>
> There are two boxes in the bottom left of the screen... clicking the top
> checkbox makes the button tab come alive.
>
Yup, you are correct, however there is still no option to fix the close window 
"X" by double clicking like you used to be able to do. Now all you can do is 
click on it and it brings down the menu to move mininmize close etc. 

> > > > I have noticed that I can no longer double click on an application in
> > > > the upper left corner and get it to close. For instance, I'm in Kmail
> > > > right now... the upper left has a small icon and I used to be able to
> > > > double click it and it would close. Since the 9.1 update, it opens up
> > > > to move/size/minimize etc. How about some clever person telling me
> > > > where this got changed so I can put it back. :)
> >
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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 3:10 pm, Frankie wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I have to write a webapp with a downlaod option for the data..
> at present the format is in .csv (comma seperated values)
>
> however there are massive limitations to what csv can display. notably
> there is no way to make headers of format the data at all
>
> In word processors we have rich text format (.rtf) is there anything
> available that does the same thing for spreadsheets?
>
> It must be openable in excel, lotus etc.. and hopefully openoffice as
> well...
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on this one??
>
Stating the obvious, Franki, but couldn't it stay as a spreadsheet?  .xls can 
be opened in Excel, Lotus 1-2-3 (as long as you are not using the latest 
edition additions) and OOo - though if macros were involved it would be more 
difficult.

If you need to test anything against Lotus 1-2-3 you could send it to me - I'm 
happy to help.

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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Frankie
its not in xls format...

its currently csv, and as far as I know, having a perl script create xls
format data would be quiet hard..


Also, I don't want to support M$ file formats..


Thats why I was hoping there was an rtf type format for spreadsheets.


rgds

Franki

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On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 3:10 pm, Frankie wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I have to write a webapp with a downlaod option for the data..
> at present the format is in .csv (comma seperated values)
>
> however there are massive limitations to what csv can display. notably
> there is no way to make headers of format the data at all
>
> In word processors we have rich text format (.rtf) is there anything
> available that does the same thing for spreadsheets?
>
> It must be openable in excel, lotus etc.. and hopefully openoffice as
> well...
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on this one??
>
Stating the obvious, Franki, but couldn't it stay as a spreadsheet?  .xls
can
be opened in Excel, Lotus 1-2-3 (as long as you are not using the latest
edition additions) and OOo - though if macros were involved it would be more
difficult.

If you need to test anything against Lotus 1-2-3 you could send it to me -
I'm
happy to help.

Anne
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Re: [expert] my 9.1 first day: missing start menu items and more

2003-04-01 Thread Christopher Kolar
At 09:24 AM 3/30/2003, you wrote:

On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 13:03, Christopher Kolar wrote:
> Hi everyone.  I've recently upgraded to 9.1 from 8.1 and, given the
> age difference, things went pretty smoothly.  To date the most
> annoying problem that I have had is that all of the programs on the
> KDE start menu are gone -- both in my user account and as root.
Try as first a user and then as root update-menus... wait a few seconds
and see if it comes back.  From 8.1 to 9.1 the changes in KDE have been
enormous.  You might have to wack all of the .kde and .kderc files/dirs
in your home directory, but try update-menus first.
>
> ** It appears to be rewriting the permissions on /home directories to
> 700 every 15 minutes or so.  That is good for security, but bad if you
> have apps (like pre-2.1 Mailman) that want to run in a /home directory
> with more permissive read settings.
Use the tools in MCC to edit this (under the security tab).  If you
can't find a correct rule chose editable.. it will let you enter new
rules so that what you need gets set to what you want.  For the purists
in the group the file to edit is under /etc/msec.
Thanks, James, for two suggestions that were right on track.  I ran 
menu-update as a normal user from the shell and changed, then I ran it as 
root from shell and it spun for a minute -- everything was then in its 
proper place when I went into KDE (both as root and as a user).  Thanks 
also for pointing me to the new DrakPerm panel.

Cheers,

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 3:46 pm, Frankie wrote:
> its not in xls format...
>
> its currently csv, and as far as I know, having a perl script create xls
> format data would be quiet hard..
>
I suggested this because just about any spreadsheet can read/write .xls.  I 
use Gnumeric, and use .xls to cross-platform files.  Equally, just about all 
will read in .cvs files.
>
> Also, I don't want to support M$ file formats..
>
Understood - but being practical, it's there, available to all, and so far as 
I know M$ does not benefit one iota by your using it.  Your choice - just 
what linux is about 

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Re: openssh was: Re: [expert] 9.1 First Day recap

2003-04-01 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 23:18, Vincent Danen wrote:

> In fact, because of this, I don't understand why Thierry made it runable
> from xinetd.  Sure, it's possible, but it's so inefficient to make it pretty
> much worthless.

I just thought I'd add that I've always run sshd standalone. I just
happened to be in the ./xinetd.d directory (installing a tftp server)
when I installed sshd. Not really thinking (and also noticing the
sshd-xinetd file) I went ahead and enabled it.


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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 3:46 pm, Frankie wrote:
> > its not in xls format...
> >
> > its currently csv, and as far as I know, having a perl script create xls
> > format data would be quiet hard..
>
> I suggested this because just about any spreadsheet can read/write .xls.  I
> use Gnumeric, and use .xls to cross-platform files.  Equally, just about
> all will read in .cvs files.
>
> > Also, I don't want to support M$ file formats..
>
> Understood - but being practical, it's there, available to all, and so far
> as I know M$ does not benefit one iota by your using it.  Your choice -
> just what linux is about 

I certainly understand the desire to not support M$ file formats.  Even though 
M$ doesn't gain directly from such support, they do peripherally.  It 
perpetuates the use of M$ software and the idea that M$ is a "standard" that 
people need to follow.  This sort of thinking is one of the reasons that 
people seem to automatically assume that it is OK to send you a *.doc file 
because, NATURALLY, you will use Windoze and/or Word.  Of COURSE it is 
acceptable to send *.doc files or request/require doc files because everyone 
uses Word/windoze.  It is better to encourage use of more democratic/open 
formats, kill the assumption that everyone uses M$ products and they are all 
that exist or are useful.  

It is handy to be able to read other people's files, regardless of the app 
they used to create it, but it is better if a more universally available and 
untied format is used.  It irritates me when I receive a doc file from a 
family member who has made the above erroneous assumption.  This is an 
endemic problem that can best be addressed by using open formats whenever 
possible in preference to ANY closed format.
  

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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Frankie
thats great

do u have a suggestion for me as to a spreadsheet format ???

Its strange.. rtf has been around for many years.. but noone has greated a
spreadsheet version?


seems odd..


rgds

Franki

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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 3:46 pm, Frankie wrote:
> > its not in xls format...
> >
> > its currently csv, and as far as I know, having a perl script create xls
> > format data would be quiet hard..
>
> I suggested this because just about any spreadsheet can read/write .xls.
I
> use Gnumeric, and use .xls to cross-platform files.  Equally, just about
> all will read in .cvs files.
>
> > Also, I don't want to support M$ file formats..
>
> Understood - but being practical, it's there, available to all, and so far
> as I know M$ does not benefit one iota by your using it.  Your choice -
> just what linux is about 

I certainly understand the desire to not support M$ file formats.  Even
though
M$ doesn't gain directly from such support, they do peripherally.  It
perpetuates the use of M$ software and the idea that M$ is a "standard" that
people need to follow.  This sort of thinking is one of the reasons that
people seem to automatically assume that it is OK to send you a *.doc file
because, NATURALLY, you will use Windoze and/or Word.  Of COURSE it is
acceptable to send *.doc files or request/require doc files because everyone
uses Word/windoze.  It is better to encourage use of more democratic/open
formats, kill the assumption that everyone uses M$ products and they are all
that exist or are useful.

It is handy to be able to read other people's files, regardless of the app
they used to create it, but it is better if a more universally available and
untied format is used.  It irritates me when I receive a doc file from a
family member who has made the above erroneous assumption.  This is an
endemic problem that can best be addressed by using open formats whenever
possible in preference to ANY closed format.


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of
common sense.
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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)

I would suggest trying HTML. Since you're using Perl, it should be a no
brainier to create an HTML file that you can feed to whatever your client
is. I just tried a simple HTML file with both Excel (via CrossOver Office)
and OpenOffice. I don't have Lotus, but I have to assume that it would work.
Anne?

The HTML worked great with one caveat. OpenOffice has a web authoring
"feature" that thinks it knows better than I do what app to open when I ask
it to load HTML files. Thus, if you call your spreadsheet
"spreadsheetdata.html", OpenOffice will happily open the HTML in it's web
editor. I could not figure out how to stop that behavior without some
serious tweaking in OpenOffice's configuration. The only way I found (in
admittedly about 2 minutes of trying) to work around this problem was to
call the HTML file spreadsheetdata.html.xls. That way, OpenOffice "thinks"
it's a spreadsheet and opens it in the right application. I choose to keep
the HTML part just so that folks know it's really HTML and not binary Excel
data. 


Hope this helps!

David

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:11 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.


Hi guys,

I have to write a webapp with a downlaod option for the data..
at present the format is in .csv (comma seperated values)

however there are massive limitations to what csv can display. notably there
is no way to make headers of format the data at all

In word processors we have rich text format (.rtf) is there anything
available that does the same thing for spreadsheets?

It must be openable in excel, lotus etc.. and hopefully openoffice as
well...

Does anyone have any suggestions on this one??


regards


Franki



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Re: [expert] print multi-page TIFF files?

2003-04-01 Thread Jack Coates
tried them all, and the last one works...

On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 02:18, Steffen Barszus wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 April 2003 08:32, Martin Fahrendorf wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 1. April 2003 03:19 schrieb Jack Coates:
> > > any one have a way to print a multiple-page fax sent as a TIFF? I hate
> > > to boot VMware just to print it, but it looks like that's the only
> > > option -- everything in Linux only shows page 1.
> >
> > ah, you can do it with efix (part of the efax package) simply run
> > 'efix tifffile.tiff > psfile.ps'. But afaik kfax can do it too.
> >

efix can't do it:
efix: Tue 01 Apr 2003 07:55:08 AM PST efix v 0.3 Copyright 1999 Ed Casas
efix: 55:08 Error: can only read TIFF/G3 or TIFF/uncompressed
efix: 55:08 Error: missing offset to TIFF data


kfax fails with "Sorry, this version can only handle Fax files."
> > Martin
> 
> gs should be able to do this too (or was it a tool from libtiff ?). It is 
> definitly possible as I had a faxserver running here to receive faxes and got 
> the faxes in pdf-attached emails. 

gs can't:
Error: /undefined in II*
Operand stack:

Execution stack:
   %interp_exit   .runexec2   --nostringval--   --nostringval--  
--nostringval--   2   %stopped_push   --nostringval--  
--nostringval--   --nostringval--   false   1   %stopped_push   1   3  
%oparray_pop   1   3   %oparray_pop   1   3   %oparray_pop   .runexec2  
--nostringval--   --nostringval--   --nostringval--   2  
%stopped_push   --nostringval--   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
Dictionary stack:
   --dict:1046/1123(ro)(G)--   --dict:0/20(G)--   --dict:68/200(L)--
Current allocation mode is local
Current file position is 4
ESP Ghostscript 7.05.6: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1

> 
> >From man tiff2ps:
> 
> The  following generates POSTSCRIPT Level II for all pages of a facsim-
> ile:
>   tiff2ps -a2 fax.tif | lpr
> 
> So multipage TIFF => PS should work. 

this works great -- program is in the libtiff3-progs RPM.

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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Jack Coates
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 07:51, Frankie wrote:
> thats great
> 
> do u have a suggestion for me as to a spreadsheet format ???

.sxw if you must be free, and encourage people to use OpenOffice on all
platforms, or .xls if you want to get to practical working state
quickly. Or if you really want to spend some time, look into content
managment platforms with conversion capabilities -- I think Plone can do
some of this sort of work, and is supposed to have good
OpenOffice/StarOffice support.

> 
> Its strange.. rtf has been around for many years.. but noone has greated a
> spreadsheet version?
> 

nope.

> 
> seems odd..
> 
> 
> rgds
> 
> Franki
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Praedor Atrebates
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> 
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> On Tuesday 01 April 2003 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 3:46 pm, Frankie wrote:
> > > its not in xls format...
> > >
> > > its currently csv, and as far as I know, having a perl script create xls
> > > format data would be quiet hard..
> >
> > I suggested this because just about any spreadsheet can read/write .xls.
> I
> > use Gnumeric, and use .xls to cross-platform files.  Equally, just about
> > all will read in .cvs files.
> >
> > > Also, I don't want to support M$ file formats..
> >
> > Understood - but being practical, it's there, available to all, and so far
> > as I know M$ does not benefit one iota by your using it.  Your choice -
> > just what linux is about 
> 
> I certainly understand the desire to not support M$ file formats.  Even
> though
> M$ doesn't gain directly from such support, they do peripherally.  It
> perpetuates the use of M$ software and the idea that M$ is a "standard" that
> people need to follow.  This sort of thinking is one of the reasons that
> people seem to automatically assume that it is OK to send you a *.doc file
> because, NATURALLY, you will use Windoze and/or Word.  Of COURSE it is
> acceptable to send *.doc files or request/require doc files because everyone
> uses Word/windoze.  It is better to encourage use of more democratic/open
> formats, kill the assumption that everyone uses M$ products and they are all
> that exist or are useful.
> 
> It is handy to be able to read other people's files, regardless of the app
> they used to create it, but it is better if a more universally available and
> untied format is used.  It irritates me when I receive a doc file from a
> family member who has made the above erroneous assumption.  This is an
> endemic problem that can best be addressed by using open formats whenever
> possible in preference to ANY closed format.
> 
> 
> - --
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> of
> common sense.
>  -- Chapman Cohen
> 
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RE: [expert] 9.1 First Day recap

2003-04-01 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 09:52, James Sparenberg wrote:

> > I believe now that the network problem was related to the dhclient
> > startup. Putting in a static IP seems to have worked around the problem
> > but I'm still trying to confirm this. There's about a 5 second delay
> > when I run dhclient manually to when it gets an IP address. This delay
> > may be causing something else to fail. Maybe I'll reorder the network
> > startup...

>Just curious if you use dhcpd instead of dhcp-client does it display
> the same problems?  

It has the same delay with all clients I've tried (my dhcp server has
quite a few addresses linked to the MAC so it may be the problem).


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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 10:58 am, Jack Coates wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 07:51, Frankie wrote:
> > thats great
> >
> > do u have a suggestion for me as to a spreadsheet format ???
>
> .sxw if you must be free, and encourage people to use OpenOffice on all
> platforms, or .xls if you want to get to practical working state

So what IS wrong with *.csv?  You can format it so that it is compatible with 
windoze or Mac or linux/unix.  It is a simple text file and is importable 
readable by virtually anything (as Anna stated).

I too have used .xls, but it depends on my audience/target.  For the broad, 
general sense such that ANYONE could use your file regardless, I would think 
.csv would work.  If you know your target will use excel, then by all means 
use .xls.

If I want to analyze my data, I save it as .csv and then can import it as a 
data file for grace or similar app.  If it is merely a basic spreadsheet, it 
almost doesn't matter.

My problem here is that I jumped in at a latter stage of the discussion and 
haven't really seen the previous messages beyond the last 3 or 4.  


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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 4:36 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> I certainly understand the desire to not support M$ file formats.  Even
> though M$ doesn't gain directly from such support, they do peripherally. 
> It perpetuates the use of M$ software and the idea that M$ is a "standard"
> that people need to follow.  This sort of thinking is one of the reasons
> that people seem to automatically assume that it is OK to send you a *.doc
> file because, NATURALLY, you will use Windoze and/or Word.  Of COURSE it is
> acceptable to send *.doc files or request/require doc files because
> everyone uses Word/windoze.  It is better to encourage use of more
> democratic/open formats, kill the assumption that everyone uses M$ products
> and they are all that exist or are useful.
>
> It is handy to be able to read other people's files, regardless of the app
> they used to create it, but it is better if a more universally available
> and untied format is used.  It irritates me when I receive a doc file from
> a family member who has made the above erroneous assumption.  This is an
> endemic problem that can best be addressed by using open formats whenever
> possible in preference to ANY closed format.
>
Fish and fruit, IMHO.  .doc files are unnecessary, for the most part, because 
.rtf can deal with most of what people want to do.  With spreadsheets I have 
not found any universally read file format if formatting needs to be kept.  
.csv is fine if it doesn't.  Until there's an option, I use what's there.  
I'll change if you can show me one.

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 4:58 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 07:51, Frankie wrote:
> > thats great
> >
> > do u have a suggestion for me as to a spreadsheet format ???
>
> .sxw if you must be free, and encourage people to use OpenOffice on all
> platforms, or .xls if you want to get to practical working state
> quickly. Or if you really want to spend some time, look into content
> managment platforms with conversion capabilities -- I think Plone can do
> some of this sort of work, and is supposed to have good
> OpenOffice/StarOffice support.
>
But until Open Office is widely used under windows it's no good for most 
people.  Of course, go on trying to spread the work - I do - but in the short 
term .sxw doesn't help.

I am slightly prejudiced against .sxw as a solution on two other counts - a) 
OOo and SO6 have proved far from stable on my box and b) they're another 
proprietary format, even if they are open source.  We need an open, widely 
supported format.

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Re: [expert] [squid-users] running out of file descriptors

2003-04-01 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 07:42, Mike Rambo wrote:
> We're running squid-2.4.STABLE7-2mdk on Mandrake Linux release 9.0
> (dolphin) for i586. It's been running ok for a few weeks. I noticed this
> morning numerous "WARNING! Your cache is running out of filedescriptors"
> errors in cache.log.
> 
> Googling didn't come up with anything definitive. I did find a couple
> of ML messages about editing a header file in squid and recompiling but
> I hesitate to embark upon that adventure without knowing for sure that
> it is really related to my problem.
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with this problem or know what that
> error refers to?
> 

Do you know if this is an application limit or one in the Linux kernel?

What does your /proc/sys/fs/file-max value show? Are you approaching
this value? Also, try doing a 'ulimit -a' from the squid user account
and check if the 'open files' value is small.


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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 5:07 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:

> So what IS wrong with *.csv?  You can format it so that it is compatible
> with windoze or Mac or linux/unix.  It is a simple text file and is
> importable readable by virtually anything (as Anna stated).
>
The original post said that he had .csv, but it didn't retain formatting.

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 4:55 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> I would suggest trying HTML. Since you're using Perl, it should be a no
> brainier to create an HTML file that you can feed to whatever your client
> is. I just tried a simple HTML file with both Excel (via CrossOver Office)
> and OpenOffice. I don't have Lotus, but I have to assume that it would
> work. Anne?
>
I've never tried it, David.  If you would like to send me a test html 
spreadsheet I will try it and report back.

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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)

Thanks!

I'll send the file via private Email in a minute or so...

David

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Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.


On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 4:55 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> I would suggest trying HTML. Since you're using Perl, it should be a no
> brainier to create an HTML file that you can feed to whatever your client
> is. I just tried a simple HTML file with both Excel (via CrossOver Office)
> and OpenOffice. I don't have Lotus, but I have to assume that it would
> work. Anne?
>
I've never tried it, David.  If you would like to send me a test html 
spreadsheet I will try it and report back.

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 11:18 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 4:55 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> > I would suggest trying HTML. Since you're using Perl, it should be a no
> > brainier to create an HTML file that you can feed to whatever your client
> > is. I just tried a simple HTML file with both Excel (via CrossOver
> > Office) and OpenOffice. I don't have Lotus, but I have to assume that it
> > would work. Anne?
>
> I've never tried it, David.  If you would like to send me a test html
> spreadsheet I will try it and report back.

I have never really played with the other formats myself.  I did just try 
using gnumeric, saving a test spreadsheet as html (3.2) and then importing 
the html into kspread.  It is bungled.  The information is there but it is 
intercalated into other file text.  Is there a particular method to bringing 
html into each spreadsheet app or is kspread retarded?  Could someone else 
with more experience that way give it a shot as well?

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RE: [expert] samba

2003-04-01 Thread richard bown
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 09:31, Frankie wrote:
> if you use windows find to look for the machine.. can it see it then??
> 
> Start->search/find->Computers... that bit is'nt in winblows 2k, but it dos'nt 
in network neighbourhood when searching there 
> 
> and enter the hostname of the linux server (in my case the server is called
> "home")
> 
> windows networking can be a pain the first time with samba..
> I have never had a problem setting it up after my first ever battle...
> 
> The problem is that you can't SEE the linux machines from windows..solve
> that first, worry about loggin in later.
> 
> fireup komba2 and see if you can access the windows machines from the linux
> box.. that should tell you if there is a network config issue.
Dont seem to have komba2 loaded in MDK9.1, but linNeighbourhood cant
find that damn winblows machine either.
> 
> 
> let us know if you can see the machines both ways.
> 
> 
> rgds
> 
> Franki
> 
> here are todya samba logs


log.fw-gb7tf
2003/04/01 08:07:11, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_printername_ok(291)
  Unable to get printer status for public - client-error-not-found
[2003/04/01 08:07:11, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection(252)
  fw-gb7tf (44.131.90.129) couldn't find service public
[2003/04/01 08:10:50, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_printername_ok(291)
  Unable to get printer status for public - client-error-not-found
[2003/04/01 08:10:50, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection(252)
  fw-gb7tf (44.131.90.129) couldn't find service public


next log.nmbd

[2003/04/01 17:22:35, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(794)
  Netbios nameserver version 2.2.7a started.
  Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/04/01 17:22:35, 0] param/loadparm.c:set_server_role(3420)
  Server's Role (logon server) conflicts with share-level security
[2003/04/01 17:22:35, 0] nmbd/nmbd_logonnames.c:add_logon_names(165)
  add_domain_logon_names:
  Attempting to become logon server for workgroup MDKGROUP on subnet
44.131.90.129
[2003/04/01 17:22:39, 0]
nmbd/nmbd_logonnames.c:become_logon_server_success(124)
  become_logon_server_success: Samba is now a logon server for workgroup
MDKGROUP on subnet 44.131.90.129
[2003/04/01 17:22:39, 0]
nmbd/nmbd_responserecordsdb.c:find_response_record(235)
  find_response_record: response packet id 14818 received with no
matching record.
[2003/04/01 17:22:39, 0]
nmbd/nmbd_responserecordsdb.c:find_response_record(235)
  find_response_record: response packet id 14819 received with no
matching record.


next log.smbd

[2003/04/01 17:22:27, 0] smbd/server.c:main(707)
  smbd version 2.2.7a started.
  Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
[2003/04/01 17:22:27, 0] param/loadparm.c:set_server_role(3420)
  Server's Role (logon server) conflicts with share-level security

Does that help at all?

Both machines cant see each other. and ping, telnet,ftp, http work fine
between them.
I think one major problem is that entry in the log.nmbd indicating a
subnet of one machine, this one,,, Where does smbd and nmbd get its
routing from ?
checking route -en shows the subnet routing on the local network to be
OK
Destination Gateway  Genmask  Flags MSS Window  irtt Iface
xx.xx.148.00.0.0.0   255.255.255.128U 0 0  0 eth1
44.131.90.00.0.0.0   255.255.254.0  U0 0  0 eth0
127.0.0.0  0.0.0.0   255.0.0.0  U0 0  0 lo
0.0.0.0xx.xx.148.10.0.0.0  UG0 0  0 eth1

The interface the winblows machine is on is eth0

There's something screwy going on , but what ?


TIA 
Richard


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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Frankie
csv is not good for formatting or table headings and the like..

The data is about 8gig of debt collection data.. and without headings it is
gibberish..

whats why I was hoping there was a format that allowed just basic
formatting..


rgds

Franki


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> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 07:51, Frankie wrote:
> > thats great
> >
> > do u have a suggestion for me as to a spreadsheet format ???
>
> .sxw if you must be free, and encourage people to use OpenOffice on all
> platforms, or .xls if you want to get to practical working state

So what IS wrong with *.csv?  You can format it so that it is compatible
with
windoze or Mac or linux/unix.  It is a simple text file and is importable
readable by virtually anything (as Anna stated).

I too have used .xls, but it depends on my audience/target.  For the broad,
general sense such that ANYONE could use your file regardless, I would think
.csv would work.  If you know your target will use excel, then by all means
use .xls.

If I want to analyze my data, I save it as .csv and then can import it as a
data file for grace or similar app.  If it is merely a basic spreadsheet, it
almost doesn't matter.

My problem here is that I jumped in at a latter stage of the discussion and
haven't really seen the previous messages beyond the last 3 or 4.


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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 11:18 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 4:55 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> > I would suggest trying HTML. Since you're using Perl, it should be a no
> > brainier to create an HTML file that you can feed to whatever your client
> > is. I just tried a simple HTML file with both Excel (via CrossOver
> > Office) and OpenOffice. I don't have Lotus, but I have to assume that it
> > would work. Anne?
>
> I've never tried it, David.  If you would like to send me a test html
> spreadsheet I will try it and report back.

David mentions he did open it fine in OpenOffice.  Was that in OO write or 
within the OO calc?  I see that gnumeric html output is opened perfectly 
within gnumeric (big suprise) but is not properly handled by kspread nor 
StarOffice 6.1 (beta) and, I would presume, 6.0.  It opens the html 
spreadsheet in writer rather than in the spreadsheet.  Excel properly imports 
html and places it within the spreadsheet cells?  I don't have excel to play 
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Re: [expert] Problems with 2.4.21 and NForce2 Chipset.

2003-04-01 Thread Joerg Mertin
Hi Folks,

OK - got the Asus A7N8X Board Booting & Working reliably under Mdk-9.1.
with default kernel.
2 Problems do exist:
1. Framebuffer - For this - in the lilo.conf file - make sure the
   vga=xxx line is removed
2. acpi - Add the option: acpi=off to the append line of Lilo.
You have to disable both - and your System will run smooth :)
UnrealTournament 2k3 runs fine for Hours after that :)
Just so yan know it works smooth.

Oh - and congrats to the Mandrake team. The Nforce Network cards, 
Sound-card etc. have all been recognised and all work great :)

Cheers

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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)

I was able to get it to open in OO.o Calc only after naming the html file
spreadsheet.html.xls. The .xls extension is required or OO.o opens the file
(as you saw) in it's silly HTML editor.

I couldn't get the HTML I created to work in either gnumeric or kspread.
kspread looks like it just tries to import the file as a regular text file.
gnumeric 1.0.4 seems to depend on some formatting in the HTML to be there
before it will open and display the data. This header goofs up Excel and
OO.o a little bit.

The idea behind HTML is that it's a good presentation format. For those who
can upload the HTML into a spreadsheet it's a dandy format for manipulation
as well. For those who can't, well, at least the data can be viewed in a
browser or read in plain text. It's the most cross platform solution I can
think of...

David

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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 11:18 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 4:55 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> > I would suggest trying HTML. Since you're using Perl, it should be a no
> > brainier to create an HTML file that you can feed to whatever your
client
> > is. I just tried a simple HTML file with both Excel (via CrossOver
> > Office) and OpenOffice. I don't have Lotus, but I have to assume that it
> > would work. Anne?
>
> I've never tried it, David.  If you would like to send me a test html
> spreadsheet I will try it and report back.

David mentions he did open it fine in OpenOffice.  Was that in OO write or 
within the OO calc?  I see that gnumeric html output is opened perfectly 
within gnumeric (big suprise) but is not properly handled by kspread nor 
StarOffice 6.1 (beta) and, I would presume, 6.0.  It opens the html 
spreadsheet in writer rather than in the spreadsheet.  Excel properly
imports 
html and places it within the spreadsheet cells?  I don't have excel to play

with.

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[expert] open office problem

2003-04-01 Thread Jack Coates
9.1, every time I try to use oocalc or oowrite OpenOffice runs the setup
program again instead. I can get OpenOffice by specifying
~/OpenOffice.org1.0.2/soffice, but all my MIME stuff is borked. Any
ideas?

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 11:57 am, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> I was able to get it to open in OO.o Calc only after naming the html file
> spreadsheet.html.xls. The .xls extension is required or OO.o opens the file
> (as you saw) in it's silly HTML editor.
[...]
> The idea behind HTML is that it's a good presentation format. For those who
> can upload the HTML into a spreadsheet it's a dandy format for manipulation
> as well. For those who can't, well, at least the data can be viewed in a
> browser or read in plain text. It's the most cross platform solution I can
> think of...

Well, since you desire to present the data/info, as you conclude HTML would 
appear to be the best option.  Being able to open the file in a spreadsheet 
app should only be important if others need to make changes to the data via 
spreadsheet functions.

As I think about it, I don't see much basis for anyone to come up with a 
"universal" spreadsheet format.  Certainly, OO/SO, gnumeric, and kspread 
developers COULD do so but it would be universal only to them and leave out 
excel and lotus users (M$ would have no reason whatsoever to support such a 
format unless OO/SO use really took off and they were forced to).  Tex-based 
could be useful, as would a STANDARD use of XML, but I don't think any would 
be better overall than HTML for presentation, only for manipulation in a 
mixed environment.

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Re: [expert] open office problem

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 12:16 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
> 9.1, every time I try to use oocalc or oowrite OpenOffice runs the setup
> program again instead. I can get OpenOffice by specifying
> ~/OpenOffice.org1.0.2/soffice, but all my MIME stuff is borked. Any
> ideas?

This only happens with those subapps from OO?  It doesn't happen with any of 
the other components?  

I do not run into the problem with OO on my 9.1 system.  You are using the 
provided mandrake OO rpm?

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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Frankie
yeah, I agree with all of that..

problem is the end user is not gonna understand downloadin the data as
html..

so I went looking at cpan and found this:
http://search.cpan.org/author/JMCNAMARA/Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-0.40/WriteExc
el.pm


it creates what is as close to standards compliant xls as possible..

so maybe that will have to do for now... csv is just missing to much... I
need basic formatting..



rgds

Franki


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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 11:57 am, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> I was able to get it to open in OO.o Calc only after naming the html file
> spreadsheet.html.xls. The .xls extension is required or OO.o opens the
file
> (as you saw) in it's silly HTML editor.
[...]
> The idea behind HTML is that it's a good presentation format. For those
who
> can upload the HTML into a spreadsheet it's a dandy format for
manipulation
> as well. For those who can't, well, at least the data can be viewed in a
> browser or read in plain text. It's the most cross platform solution I can
> think of...

Well, since you desire to present the data/info, as you conclude HTML would
appear to be the best option.  Being able to open the file in a spreadsheet
app should only be important if others need to make changes to the data via
spreadsheet functions.

As I think about it, I don't see much basis for anyone to come up with a
"universal" spreadsheet format.  Certainly, OO/SO, gnumeric, and kspread
developers COULD do so but it would be universal only to them and leave out
excel and lotus users (M$ would have no reason whatsoever to support such a
format unless OO/SO use really took off and they were forced to).  Tex-based
could be useful, as would a STANDARD use of XML, but I don't think any would
be better overall than HTML for presentation, only for manipulation in a
mixed environment.

praedor
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Re: [expert] usb problem with PDA palm zire

2003-04-01 Thread Robert Goshko
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 06:34, Shamot wrote:
> I tried it but it doesnt work. /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1 still don't 
> exist. Modules for usb are loaded such as a viser module. There are still 
> reported errors like this:
> 
> devfsd[143]: error copying: "/lib/dev-state/usb/tts/0" to "/dev/usb/tts/0"
> error copying: "/lib/dev-state/usb/tts/1" to "/dev/usb/tts/1"
> 
> how should I solve the problem ?

I get mine to work, but only when I don't used devfs (devfs=nomount in
LILO),as under devfs, it doesn't exist until something is there.

Once you get rid of devfs them you will find /dev/ttyUSB1, then do:

ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot

I have my Handspring visor working fine under 9.1 without devfs.


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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)

But if you name the file .html.xls, for all the users know, they
are downloading Excel files. :)

David

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yeah, I agree with all of that..

problem is the end user is not gonna understand downloadin the data as
html..

so I went looking at cpan and found this:
http://search.cpan.org/author/JMCNAMARA/Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-0.40/WriteExc
el.pm


it creates what is as close to standards compliant xls as possible..

so maybe that will have to do for now... csv is just missing to much... I
need basic formatting..



rgds

Franki


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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 11:57 am, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> I was able to get it to open in OO.o Calc only after naming the html file
> spreadsheet.html.xls. The .xls extension is required or OO.o opens the
file
> (as you saw) in it's silly HTML editor.
[...]
> The idea behind HTML is that it's a good presentation format. For those
who
> can upload the HTML into a spreadsheet it's a dandy format for
manipulation
> as well. For those who can't, well, at least the data can be viewed in a
> browser or read in plain text. It's the most cross platform solution I can
> think of...

Well, since you desire to present the data/info, as you conclude HTML would
appear to be the best option.  Being able to open the file in a spreadsheet
app should only be important if others need to make changes to the data via
spreadsheet functions.

As I think about it, I don't see much basis for anyone to come up with a
"universal" spreadsheet format.  Certainly, OO/SO, gnumeric, and kspread
developers COULD do so but it would be universal only to them and leave out
excel and lotus users (M$ would have no reason whatsoever to support such a
format unless OO/SO use really took off and they were forced to).  Tex-based
could be useful, as would a STANDARD use of XML, but I don't think any would
be better overall than HTML for presentation, only for manipulation in a
mixed environment.

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 6:21 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> As I think about it, I don't see much basis for anyone to come up with a
> "universal" spreadsheet format.  Certainly, OO/SO, gnumeric, and kspread
> developers COULD do so but it would be universal only to them and leave out
> excel and lotus users (M$ would have no reason whatsoever to support such a
> format unless OO/SO use really took off and they were forced to). 
> Tex-based could be useful, as would a STANDARD use of XML, but I don't
> think any would be better overall than HTML for presentation, only for
> manipulation in a mixed environment.
>
As a matter of interest, how did .rtf come into being?

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 6:45 pm, Frankie wrote:
> yeah, I agree with all of that..
>
> problem is the end user is not gonna understand downloadin the data as
> html..
>
> so I went looking at cpan and found this:
> http://search.cpan.org/author/JMCNAMARA/Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-0.40/WriteEx
>c el.pm
>
>
> it creates what is as close to standards compliant xls as possible..
>
> so maybe that will have to do for now... csv is just missing to much... I
> need basic formatting..
>
Not trying to stir this up, Franki, but how is that more satisfactory than 
using .xls to start with?  Or is it that the .csv data is not translatable 
(by you) to .xls?  Perhaps we are not understanding your application.

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 12:54 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 6:21 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> > As I think about it, I don't see much basis for anyone to come up with a
> > "universal" spreadsheet format.  Certainly, OO/SO, gnumeric, and kspread
> > developers COULD do so but it would be universal only to them and leave
> > out excel and lotus users (M$ would have no reason whatsoever to support
> > such a format unless OO/SO use really took off and they were forced to).
> > Tex-based could be useful, as would a STANDARD use of XML, but I don't
> > think any would be better overall than HTML for presentation, only for
> > manipulation in a mixed environment.
>
> As a matter of interest, how did .rtf come into being?

Oddly enough, it is a creation of Microsoft intended to permit formatted 
document exchange across applications and platforms, predating pdf.  It seems 
that once upon a time M$ really had an interest in cross-platform file 
formats.  

I don't know how long ago this was but it fell into the earlier days of DOS 
and Win 3.x somewhere.  Though M$ still supports it, their most recent idea 
of what cross-platform document sharing means is someone running M$ Word on a 
Mac or PC and passing doc files back and forth...see?  Cross-platform!  

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Re: [expert] open office problem

2003-04-01 Thread Jack Coates
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 09:31, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
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> On Tuesday 01 April 2003 12:16 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
> > 9.1, every time I try to use oocalc or oowrite OpenOffice runs the setup
> > program again instead. I can get OpenOffice by specifying
> > ~/OpenOffice.org1.0.2/soffice, but all my MIME stuff is borked. Any
> > ideas?
> 
> This only happens with those subapps from OO?  It doesn't happen with any of 
> the other components?  
> 
> I do not run into the problem with OO on my 9.1 system.  You are using the 
> provided mandrake OO rpm?

yes, OpenOffice.org-1.0.2-7mdk. It started after I cleaned out my home
directory, but persists after:

restoring ~/OpenOffice.org1.0.1 & ~/.openoffice from backup

removing and reinstalling the workstation install via
/usr/lib/openoffice/program/setup

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[expert] crossover plugin?

2003-04-01 Thread Jack Coates
any one else using (or failing to use) crossover plugin on 9.1? It
quietly fails to work here, except pluginsetup which fails with "unable
to get info about installed DLLs."
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[expert] KDE is taking forever to load - add client, destroying client????

2003-04-01 Thread Eduardo Mendes
Hello

I had 8.2 running on my Sony laptop but I decided to upgrade to 9.1 (what a 
hell, 8.2 works fine and why not 9.1?  So I thought).   

X server is taking forever to load.  After 10 minutes I gave in and used 
shutdown the x server.  Lots of adding clients and destroying clients showed 
up on the screen.

What am I doing wrong?

Many thanks

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Re: [expert] crossover plugin?

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 01:16 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
> any one else using (or failing to use) crossover plugin on 9.1? It
> quietly fails to work here, except pluginsetup which fails with "unable
> to get info about installed DLLs."

Same here, using the registered version rather than the tryout version.  
At this point, however, it isn't a problem for me because I haven't used it 
for quite a while.  Quicktime was virtually the only reason I needed/wanted 
it and now mplayer can handle quicktime mov files (even those using 
sorenson).  

In any case, I don't see anything obvious (to me) trying to run the 
pluginsetup with strace either.

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Re: [expert] crossover plugin?

2003-04-01 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 01:16 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
> any one else using (or failing to use) crossover plugin on 9.1? It
> quietly fails to work here, except pluginsetup which fails with "unable
> to get info about installed DLLs."

Jack, there was a message not long ago from Jeremy (forgot his last 
name-White?) of the Codeweavers group. It said that some new distros would 
break Plugin, although I thought they meant Redhat specificially. I would go 
to their website and see what the fuss was about. It might have something to 
do with the problems you're having. (I can't remember if it was glibc stuff 
or not).

HTHs.

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Re: [expert] [squid-users] running out of file descriptors

2003-04-01 Thread Mike Rambo
Kwan Lowe wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 07:42, Mike Rambo wrote:
> > We're running squid-2.4.STABLE7-2mdk on Mandrake Linux release 9.0
> > (dolphin) for i586. It's been running ok for a few weeks. I noticed this
> > morning numerous "WARNING! Your cache is running out of filedescriptors"
> > errors in cache.log.
> >
> 
> Do you know if this is an application limit or one in the Linux kernel?

Unfortunately no.

> 
> What does your /proc/sys/fs/file-max value show? Are you approaching
> this value? 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mrambo]# cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
8192

Sorry, I don't know how to check whether I'm using them all up.

> Also, try doing a 'ulimit -a' from the squid user account
> and check if the 'open files' value is small.
> 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# ulimit -a
open files(-n) 1024

I don't appear to be able to use ulimit to increase this value (as user
squid anyway) because of insufficient permissions. Plus I've found some
stuff in the squid FAQ that indicates squid won't pick it up without a
recompile anyway.


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Re: [expert] usb problem with PDA palm zire

2003-04-01 Thread Shamot
fine. It works now. USB files in /dev/ exist
I have /dev/pilot as link to ttyUSB1 and with jpilot synchronizing with PDA 
works fine but in Kpilot it doesn't work. It seems like PDA connects to PC 
but it doesn't synchronize data and it ends the synchronizing prematury. Does 
anybody has the same problem with Kpilot ?


> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 06:34, Shamot wrote:
> > I tried it but it doesnt work. /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1 still don't
> > exist. Modules for usb are loaded such as a viser module. There are still
> > reported errors like this:
> >
> > devfsd[143]: error copying: "/lib/dev-state/usb/tts/0" to
> > "/dev/usb/tts/0" error copying: "/lib/dev-state/usb/tts/1" to
> > "/dev/usb/tts/1"
> >
> > how should I solve the problem ?
>
> I get min to work, but only when I don't used devfs (devfs=nomount in
> LILO),as under devfs, it doesn't exist until something is there.
>
> Once you get rid of devfs them you will find /dev/ttyUSB1, then do:
>
> ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
>
> I have my Handspring visor working fine under 9.1 without devfs.


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RE: [expert] crossover plugin?

2003-04-01 Thread JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)

Crossover (and wine in general) are currently broken on all distros that use
glibc 2.3.x with the native pthreads stuff.

You can see a summary from Jeremy White of CodeWeavers here:

http://crossover.codeweavers.com/pipermail/discuss/2003-March/003093.html


It looks like they're working on it and will have cxoffice out first in the
next month or so. cxplugin will follow shortly thereafter. 


David

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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 01:16 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
> any one else using (or failing to use) crossover plugin on 9.1? It
> quietly fails to work here, except pluginsetup which fails with "unable
> to get info about installed DLLs."

Same here, using the registered version rather than the tryout version.  
At this point, however, it isn't a problem for me because I haven't used it 
for quite a while.  Quicktime was virtually the only reason I needed/wanted 
it and now mplayer can handle quicktime mov files (even those using 
sorenson).  

In any case, I don't see anything obvious (to me) trying to run the 
pluginsetup with strace either.

praedor
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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Felix Miata
Frankie wrote:
 
> so maybe that will have to do for now... csv is just missing to much... I
> need basic formatting..

Why not try the original standard SS file formats, Lotus 1-2-3 v1A (WKS)
or v2 (WK1)? AFAIK, there is no such thing as a spreadsheet app that
can't handle at least one of them. My workhorse SS can read/write both,
but not XLS.
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[expert] problem with ifplugd and 3c905 Boomerang 100baseTx

2003-04-01 Thread Bruno Damour
Hi,

I upgraded my server with mdk 9.1 (def) and I had problem with the network : eth0 does 
not come up properly (no ip).

In syslog:
PCI: Found IRQ 9 for device 00:10.0
PCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 00:07.2
3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html
00:10.0: 3Com PCI 3c905 Boomerang 100baseTx at 0x1000. Vers LK1.1.16
[...]
Mar 28 18:03:19 neptune network: Bringing up loopback interface:  succeeded 
Mar 28 18:03:19 neptune ifplugd[740]: Warning: Could not get interface address. 
Mar 28 18:03:19 neptune ifplugd[740]: Using interface eth0/00:60:08:77:EA:ED with 
driver 3c59x LK1.1.16 
Mar 28 18:03:19 neptune ifplugd[740]: ETHTOOL_GLINK failed: Operation not supported 
Mar 28 18:03:19 neptune ifplugd[740]: ifplugd 0.13 successfully initialized, link beat 
not detected. 

If I try to restart network :
#/etc/init.d/network restart

Apr  1 11:42:17 neptune network: Bringing up loopback interface:  succeeded
Apr  1 11:42:17 neptune ifplugd[5017]: Using interface eth0/00:60:08:77:EA:ED with 
driver 3c59x LK1.1.16
Apr  1 11:42:17 neptune ifplugd[5017]: ETHTOOL_GLINK failed: Operation not supported
Apr  1 11:42:17 neptune ifplugd[5017]: ifplugd 0.13 successfully initialized, link 
beat not detected.
Apr  1 11:42:17 neptune network: Bringing up interface eth0:  failed

I determined the problem to be with ifstatus :

# ifstatus -v eth0
eth0:
SIOCETHTOOL failed (Operation not supported)
SIOCGMIIPHY: unplugged
SIOCDEVPRIVATE: unplugged

# mii-tool -v eth0
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
  product info: National DP83840A rev 1
  basic mode:   autonegotiation enabled
  basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
  capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
  advertising:  100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
  link partner: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control

I solved this inserting in ifcfg-eth0 :
MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=1
but I had the same problem with my Laptop HP Omnibook XE3  Accton card (tulip)

What is wrong with ifstatus ?

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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Frankie
I have since decided against this as well in the end..

I have gone back to csv...

but as for why this is better then normal xls.. is that the perl module will
only write xls that all the office apps will totally understand.. there is
no diff in any of them.. excel often writes xls files that look bad on
others..


anyway, the main reason I gave up on this module was because it requires the
file be written to temp drives and then to master xls file..

I want to open a header and stream the info to the user.. no file creation
on the server..

I have achieved that with csv currently. and it will be much faster for not
having to do file creation...

I also got headers of a sort with csv now as well..
I had the headings in an array (a list)... so I did a count on them.. and
inserted this in the script:
$csv_output .= '-,' x $count;

so it adds an underline for each header...
gives it some seperation from the data..

testing in OOo looks ok..


rgds

Franki


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On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 6:45 pm, Frankie wrote:
> yeah, I agree with all of that..
>
> problem is the end user is not gonna understand downloadin the data as
> html..
>
> so I went looking at cpan and found this:
>
http://search.cpan.org/author/JMCNAMARA/Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-0.40/WriteEx
>c el.pm
>
>
> it creates what is as close to standards compliant xls as possible..
>
> so maybe that will have to do for now... csv is just missing to much... I
> need basic formatting..
>
Not trying to stir this up, Franki, but how is that more satisfactory than
using .xls to start with?  Or is it that the .csv data is not translatable
(by you) to .xls?  Perhaps we are not understanding your application.

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread diego
XML is universal and should perform ok with any perl/whatever script to
convert to/from any other format. Only backdraw I can think of is
unefficiency (you'd probably end with much more tags than data
itself)...

Anyway, it seems you have hit a good point: missing aplication
standards!!



El mar, 01-04-2003 a las 18:11, Anne Wilson escribió:
> On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 4:36 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> > I certainly understand the desire to not support M$ file formats.  Even
> > though M$ doesn't gain directly from such support, they do peripherally. 
> > It perpetuates the use of M$ software and the idea that M$ is a "standard"
> > that people need to follow.  This sort of thinking is one of the reasons
> > that people seem to automatically assume that it is OK to send you a *.doc
> > file because, NATURALLY, you will use Windoze and/or Word.  Of COURSE it is
> > acceptable to send *.doc files or request/require doc files because
> > everyone uses Word/windoze.  It is better to encourage use of more
> > democratic/open formats, kill the assumption that everyone uses M$ products
> > and they are all that exist or are useful.
> >
> > It is handy to be able to read other people's files, regardless of the app
> > they used to create it, but it is better if a more universally available
> > and untied format is used.  It irritates me when I receive a doc file from
> > a family member who has made the above erroneous assumption.  This is an
> > endemic problem that can best be addressed by using open formats whenever
> > possible in preference to ANY closed format.
> >
> Fish and fruit, IMHO.  .doc files are unnecessary, for the most part, because 
> .rtf can deal with most of what people want to do.  With spreadsheets I have 
> not found any universally read file format if formatting needs to be kept.  
> .csv is fine if it doesn't.  Until there's an option, I use what's there.  
> I'll change if you can show me one.
> 
> Anne
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> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)
IIRC, OpenOffice.org is working with OASIS to correct this very problem

Here's hoping...

David

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XML is universal and should perform ok with any perl/whatever script to
convert to/from any other format. Only backdraw I can think of is
unefficiency (you'd probably end with much more tags than data
itself)...

Anyway, it seems you have hit a good point: missing aplication
standards!!



El mar, 01-04-2003 a las 18:11, Anne Wilson escribió:
> On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 4:36 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> > I certainly understand the desire to not support M$ file formats.  Even
> > though M$ doesn't gain directly from such support, they do peripherally.

> > It perpetuates the use of M$ software and the idea that M$ is a
"standard"
> > that people need to follow.  This sort of thinking is one of the reasons
> > that people seem to automatically assume that it is OK to send you a
*.doc
> > file because, NATURALLY, you will use Windoze and/or Word.  Of COURSE it
is
> > acceptable to send *.doc files or request/require doc files because
> > everyone uses Word/windoze.  It is better to encourage use of more
> > democratic/open formats, kill the assumption that everyone uses M$
products
> > and they are all that exist or are useful.
> >
> > It is handy to be able to read other people's files, regardless of the
app
> > they used to create it, but it is better if a more universally available
> > and untied format is used.  It irritates me when I receive a doc file
from
> > a family member who has made the above erroneous assumption.  This is an
> > endemic problem that can best be addressed by using open formats
whenever
> > possible in preference to ANY closed format.
> >
> Fish and fruit, IMHO.  .doc files are unnecessary, for the most part,
because 
> .rtf can deal with most of what people want to do.  With spreadsheets I
have 
> not found any universally read file format if formatting needs to be kept.

> .csv is fine if it doesn't.  Until there's an option, I use what's there.

> I'll change if you can show me one.
> 
> Anne
> -- 
> Registered Linux User No.293302
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Frankie
is the file format of SS open???

I need to create it with perl... in other words, I'd need to know the
format.



rgds

Franki

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Frankie wrote:

> so maybe that will have to do for now... csv is just missing to much... I
> need basic formatting..

Why not try the original standard SS file formats, Lotus 1-2-3 v1A (WKS)
or v2 (WK1)? AFAIK, there is no such thing as a spreadsheet app that
can't handle at least one of them. My workhorse SS can read/write both,
but not XLS.
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Re: [expert] open office problem

2003-04-01 Thread Greg Meyer
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 01:01 pm, Jack Coates wrote:

>
> yes, OpenOffice.org-1.0.2-7mdk. It started after I cleaned out my home
> directory, but persists after:
>
> restoring ~/OpenOffice.org1.0.1 & ~/.openoffice from backup
>
> removing and reinstalling the workstation install via
> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/setup

Is there an .sversionrc file present in your home directory
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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 8:21 pm, Frankie wrote:

> I also got headers of a sort with csv now as well..
> I had the headings in an array (a list)... so I did a count on them.. and
> inserted this in the script:
> $csv_output .= '-,' x $count;
>
> so it adds an underline for each header...
> gives it some seperation from the data..
>
> testing in OOo looks ok..
>
Glad you found something that works for you, Franki

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Re: [expert] crossover plugin?

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 02:05 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> Crossover (and wine in general) are currently broken on all distros that
> use glibc 2.3.x with the native pthreads stuff.
>
> You can see a summary from Jeremy White of CodeWeavers here:
>
> http://crossover.codeweavers.com/pipermail/discuss/2003-March/003093.html
>
>
> It looks like they're working on it and will have cxoffice out first in the
> next month or so. cxplugin will follow shortly thereafter.
[...]

I haven't had a problem (yet at least) with WineX on 9.1.  I ran RTCW on the 
weekend after the new install to make sure everything was still working as 
desired.  I haven't tried codeweavers wine or basic winehq wine.

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RE: [expert] crossover plugin?

2003-04-01 Thread JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)

What version of winex? Did you try StarCraft? 

This is the only thing keeping me from upgrading to 9.1 on my real machine.
I have it installed on a test box and it looks really nice. 

David

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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 02:05 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> Crossover (and wine in general) are currently broken on all distros that
> use glibc 2.3.x with the native pthreads stuff.
>
> You can see a summary from Jeremy White of CodeWeavers here:
>
> http://crossover.codeweavers.com/pipermail/discuss/2003-March/003093.html
>
>
> It looks like they're working on it and will have cxoffice out first in
the
> next month or so. cxplugin will follow shortly thereafter.
[...]

I haven't had a problem (yet at least) with WineX on 9.1.  I ran RTCW on the

weekend after the new install to make sure everything was still working as 
desired.  I haven't tried codeweavers wine or basic winehq wine.

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 02:29 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> IIRC, OpenOffice.org is working with OASIS to correct this very problem
>
> Here's hoping...
[...]
> -Original Message-
> From: diego [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.
>
>
> XML is universal and should perform ok with any perl/whatever script to
> convert to/from any other format. Only backdraw I can think of is
> unefficiency (you'd probably end with much more tags than data
> itself)...
[...]

It has been my understanding that XML isn't a panacea and isn't necessarily 
universal.  As I understood it for instance, M$ is supposed to use XML in its 
default Word format output in the nearish future - but that this doesn't in 
any way assure that OO/SO or Wordperfect, etc, would be able to understand 
it.  I am no XML expert by any means, just guiding loosely on what came up 
during discussion at slashdot several weeks back.  

It would be nice if this were wrong - if XML would actually make it more 
likely to be able to open docs/files cross-platform (REAL 
cross-platform/cross-os).  

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Re: [expert] crossover plugin?

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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> What version of winex? Did you try StarCraft?
>
> This is the only thing keeping me from upgrading to 9.1 on my real machine.
> I have it installed on a test box and it looks really nice.

I haven't tried StarCraft yet.  I just installed DeusEx (install went 
perfectly) but didn't get to mess with it in play yet.  I have the latest 
beta of Winex 3.0 - I also have the last stable (2.1.1?) but haven't 
re-installed that one yet.  I _might_ because there IS a glitch with the 
beta...you can run an app once but if you try to then run anything else with 
it, it will fail because it cannot find a socket (don't recall the exact 
error).  The "fix" for now is to delete .transgaming/winserver* and then try 
again.  

If I get a chance, I'll try a few more things this evening.  

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Re: [expert] open office problem

2003-04-01 Thread Jack Coates
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 11:32, Greg Meyer wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 April 2003 01:01 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
> 
> >
> > yes, OpenOffice.org-1.0.2-7mdk. It started after I cleaned out my home
> > directory, but persists after:
> >
> > restoring ~/OpenOffice.org1.0.1 & ~/.openoffice from backup
> >
> > removing and reinstalling the workstation install via
> > /usr/lib/openoffice/program/setup
> 
> Is there an .sversionrc file present in your home directory

[EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ cat .sversionrc 
[Versions]
OpenOffice.org 1.0.2=file:///home/jack/OpenOffice.org1.0.2

[EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ diff .sversionrc ../jack-backup/.sversionrc 
1,3c1,4
< [Versions]
< OpenOffice.org 1.0.2=file:///home/jack/OpenOffice.org1.0.2
< 
---
> [Versions]
> StarOffice 5.1=/home/jack/Office51
> OpenOffice.org 1.0.2=file:///home/jack/.openoffice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ cp ../jack-backup/.sversionrc .
cp: overwrite `./.sversionrc'? y
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ oocalc 

and it works

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Re: [expert] usb problem with PDA palm zire

2003-04-01 Thread Robert Goshko
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 11:46, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > I get mine to work, but only when I don't used devfs (devfs=nomount in
> > LILO),as under devfs, it doesn't exist until something is there.
> > 
> > Once you get rid of devfs them you will find /dev/ttyUSB1, then do:
> > 
> > ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
> > 
> > I have my Handspring visor working fine under 9.1 without devfs.
> 
> interesting. I didn't turn that off when I loaded 9.1 and just got 
> things working almost outa the box with 9.1.

I remove devfs also as on my laptop when I plug in my MicroDrive to the
PCMCIA slot, CPU usage shoots to 100% as devfs keep launching
drakupdate.fstab over and over, 8.2 worked great, 9.0 and 9.1 both
suffer from this problem.

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[expert] re:samba

2003-04-01 Thread richard bown
Sorry Guys, this is getting a pain !!!
I have at last managed to get the windows machine to see the linux
machine, albeit its still very wrong.
If I use the find computers in the entire section of winblows network
neighbourhood, it will find it and show the shares if I use the ip
address of the linux machine, either the static address use on the
internal port or the dynamic ip address on the internet port.
The permissions are still wrong as it refused access to the printer,
even though it was shown.
The netbios name is not being picked up by the winblows machine.
I have changed the netbios name to something else as was suggested.

Bill Gates must hold the record for causing more suffering than anyone
else !

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Re: [expert] crossover plugin?

2003-04-01 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 02:52 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 April 2003 02:45 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> > What version of winex? Did you try StarCraft?
> >
> > This is the only thing keeping me from upgrading to 9.1 on my real
> > machine. I have it installed on a test box and it looks really nice.
>
> I haven't tried StarCraft yet.  I just installed DeusEx (install went
> perfectly) but didn't get to mess with it in play yet.  I have the latest
> beta of Winex 3.0 - I also have the last stable (2.1.1?) but haven't
> re-installed that one yet.  I _might_ because there IS a glitch with the
> beta...you can run an app once but if you try to then run anything else
> with it, it will fail because it cannot find a socket (don't recall the
> exact error).  The "fix" for now is to delete .transgaming/winserver* and
> then try again.

OK, this isn't just a WineX beta problem.  It also occurs with WineX-2.2.1 on 
9.1.  The exact error seen with 3.0 beta and 2.2.1 is:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] praedor]$ winex /mnt/win_c/Program\ Files/Internet\ 
Explorer/iexplore.exe
wine: lstat /home/praedor/.transgaming/wineserver-lapdog.ravenhome.net/socket 
: No such file or directory

Doing "rm -rf .transgaming/wineserver*" and trying again generally works (I 
just ran then shut down Acroread 4 for windoze, then ran Caesar III (with 
WineX 2.2.1).

At least part of the problem thus appears to have a simple, but tedious fix.

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Re: [expert] Mobo query

2003-04-01 Thread Robert Crawford
Here's a link to what I believe is  that board/cpu you mention. It appears you 
will need PC133 SDRAM, and I'll bet your other cyrix/IBM has PC100 at best. 
You might need a better Power Supply- at least 250watts, but some smaller 
ones will work, if the output on the 5v and 3volt lines is adequate- you 
never know, but since it's a low power board, you might get away with it. 
However, I would bet that any retail cyrix/ibm rig is going to have an el 
cheapo power supply. 

htttp://www.pcchips.com.tw/product/M787cl+v30.html 

I built a box for a person using a PChips SIS board with that AMR slot, and 
could never get the onboard modem to work, with the drivers that came with 
the board, or ones I got on the net. Had to use a PCI modem- cost about $10 
more. Also, it will use some of the ram for video (settable), so that's a 
consideration. Otherwise, it worked good, and since performance is not your 
real issue, I guess it would suffice for your needs. A good stick of 256MB 
PC133 shouldn't be more that $30 US, and you could sell your 128MB (if it's 
PC100).

 Mandrake will do much better with 256MB or more ram, especially if you like 
KDE or Gnome.

Robert





 



On Monday 31 March 2003 04:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Greg and Robert - hope you don't mind me answering both together.
>
> It's very difficult to find information on the web about the M787CLM, but
> there is a reasonable amount on the M787CLR - and I'm assuming that they
> are similar.  Little is said about the chipset, but the indications are
> that it is a via chipset.
>
> This proposed upgrade is not to make it my main box.  I have an old
> IBM/Cyrix 233 setup that I want to use as a second box, with dual boot
> win98 and Mdk 9. The main purpose is to learn about adding another linux
> computer to my lan, and also to explore video conferencing, over the lan,
> both in the mixed os environment and in an all-linux link.
>
> I accept that the speed of the C3 will not give the best video, but that's
> not important, as it is the learning process that's the important bit.  I
> can't justify spending a huge amount on this project.
>
> The mobo takes DIMMs, and I have a 126MB DIMM in the old system, so memory
> should be no problem.
>
> As it is low-powered it may not be essential to buy a new case, but I think
> it would be wise, though I have an atx power supply that could be mounted
> in the current one.  I can't see that anything else would be needed.
>
> The processor, though called a GigaPro, apparently equates to a celeron,
> which is ok for this box, I think.  3D work would tax it, but it would
> rarely be asked to do that.  It seems that this cpu is used a lot in the
> small embedded boards.  I have seen a report of a successful Debian
> install, so it looks likely that it would be OK for my purposes.
>
> There is not guarantee that I will be able to get one of these, as the guy
> was offering them at a local computer fair, and he may have sold out before
> I can find him again, but if I have heard nothing really offputting before
> then I shall buy one next time he is nearby - 2 weeks time.
>
> Anne
>
> On Sunday 30 Mar 2003 5:25 am, Robert Crawford wrote:
> > That mobo might not even have SDRAM, much less DDR. You will probably
> > need new ram, whatever you do- which isn't too bad, since it's dirt cheap
> > these days. You should be able to use everything else, except probably
> > you'll need a better power supply. You need to do more research as to the
> > ram and power supply you have, and post it so we can advise properly.
> > Maybe post the exact model of Cyrix/IBM you have now, and one of us can
> > look it up and offer better advice- just don't be hasty, and make a
> > mistake. You can put together a really good system, for very little
> > money, if you know how. Any better mobo/cpu is going to require a better
> > power supply, if your present system is what it sounds like. And, to get
> > the best from any modern cpu, you really need DDR memory- SDRAM is on the
> > way out.
> >
> > In any case, Mandrake will install and run on almost any halfway system.
> > I would stay away from those via cpus, though.
> >
> > Robert Crawford
> >
> > On Sunday 30 March 2003 04:53 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > This is to replace the mobo in a box with a Cyrix/IBM cpu.  Everything
> > > in it is pretty old, and would have to be replaced if I rebuild from
> > > scratch. From experience I would say that I would be pushing £500 to
> > > get a full decent system together.  If I buy this for £50 I can get
> > > away by putting in the current drives and spending nothing else.  But
> > > will it run Mandrake?
> > >
> > > Anne
> > >
> > > On Sunday 30 Mar 2003 10:02 pm, Robert Crawford wrote:
> > > > In my opinion, you can do much better for the same or just a little
> > > > more money. I build all my own PC's, and for others, too. For
> > > > example, in the U.S., you can get an Athlon 1700+ tbred "B" for $48
> > > > US, which is 3 times the cpu. Mobo

Re: [expert] usb problem with PDA palm zire

2003-04-01 Thread Shamot
my PDA works fine now. I solved the problem with KPilot where I hade to change 
some conduits to make it work. But Kpilot is too bugy for using. I am happy 
jpilot works fine now. 

Dne út 1. duben 2003 22:13 Robert Goshko napsal(a):
> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 11:46, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > > I get mine to work, but only when I don't used devfs (devfs=nomount in
> > > LILO),as under devfs, it doesn't exist until something is there.
> > >
> > > Once you get rid of devfs them you will find /dev/ttyUSB1, then do:
> > >
> > > ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
> > >
> > > I have my Handspring visor working fine under 9.1 without devfs.
> >
> > interesting. I didn't turn that off when I loaded 9.1 and just got
> > things working almost outa the box with 9.1.
>
> I remove devfs also as on my laptop when I plug in my MicroDrive to the
> PCMCIA slot, CPU usage shoots to 100% as devfs keep launching
> drakupdate.fstab over and over, 8.2 worked great, 9.0 and 9.1 both
> suffer from this problem.


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Re: [expert] Mobo query

2003-04-01 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:43:06 -0500
Robert Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It appears you 
> will need PC133 SDRAM, and I'll bet your other cyrix/IBM has PC100 at
> best. 

If it is "good" PC100 from a reputable company such as Crucial or others
it can be run at 133.
I have several stick th no problem.


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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 again!

2003-04-01 Thread Robert Crawford
Anne,
I've been away for a day. I see you got the 2.4.21 installed, so I guess the 
lilo problem has been solved. On the camera problem- I had a similar problem 
with a canon PowerShot G2, and never was able to solve it with Mandrake 9.0, 
so I can offer little help on that one.

Robert C.

On Monday 31 March 2003 01:26 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Monday 31 Mar 2003 7:08 pm, Brian wrote:
> > On Monday 31 March 2003 12:58 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > I've installed the 2.4.21 kernel, and think that with a bit of help
> > > it should be possible to get the camera working now.  It has been
> > > recognised as /dev/sdb1 (see fstab attached).  Under /mnt I find
> > > /camera/dcim - I had made a mountpoint 'camera' when trying to get
> > > this working before, but the 'dcim' is totally new, and, I believe,
> > > an attempt to read the camera.
> > >
> > > From mount -a I get:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]# mount -a
> > > mount: No medium found
> > > mount: fs type umask=0 not supported by kernel
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]#
> > >
> > > Selecting either 'removable' or 'camera/dcim' from a file manager,
> > > either as root or user, opens as an empty directory, whereas I know
> > > there are images.
> > >
> > > It has the feel of a permissions problem, but I can't spot it.
> > > What am I missing?
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > The dcim is the folder on the media, it should contain your images if
> > you have any on the camera.  Sounds like you have done it.
> >
> > Brian
>
> That's what I thought, Brian, but I can't see the images in Konqueror.
>
> Anne


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Re: [expert] Mobo query

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 31 Mar 2003 9:43 pm, Robert Crawford wrote:
> Here's a link to what I believe is  that board/cpu you mention. It appears
> you will need PC133 SDRAM, and I'll bet your other cyrix/IBM has PC100 at
> best. You might need a better Power Supply- at least 250watts, but some
> smaller ones will work, if the output on the 5v and 3volt lines is
> adequate- you never know, but since it's a low power board, you might get
> away with it. However, I would bet that any retail cyrix/ibm rig is going
> to have an el cheapo power supply.
>
My SDRAM is fairly recent, though I can't remember exactly what it is.  I 
generally buy branded memory, so I would expect it to work, if not at 
optimal.

I hve a spare 300w power supply that could be swapped in.

> htttp://www.pcchips.com.tw/product/M787cl+v30.html
>
This could well be the mobo, though it's difficult to be certain.

> I built a box for a person using a PChips SIS board with that AMR slot, and
> could never get the onboard modem to work, with the drivers that came with
> the board, or ones I got on the net. Had to use a PCI modem- cost about $10
> more. 

I have adsl over lan, so that's no problem, either.

> Also, it will use some of the ram for video (settable), so that's a
> consideration. 

Well, if the existing stick isn't big enough, at least memory is cheap.  
Against that, if I were going for an up to date system I would be buying DDR, 
and would need to replace all of it.

> Otherwise, it worked good, and since performance is not your
> real issue, I guess it would suffice for your needs. A good stick of 256MB
> PC133 shouldn't be more that $30 US, and you could sell your 128MB (if it's
> PC100).
>

>  Mandrake will do much better with 256MB or more ram, especially if you
> like KDE or Gnome.

Robert, I appreciate your comments.  It looks as though this would be a 
sensible buy for a second box with relatively low processing requirements.  
All that remains is to hope that he's at the computer fair in Sheffield next 
weekend, and hasn't sold them all.

Thanks

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Re: [expert] Mobo query

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 10:09 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:43:06 -0500
>
> Robert Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It appears you
> > will need PC133 SDRAM, and I'll bet your other cyrix/IBM has PC100 at
> > best.
>
> If it is "good" PC100 from a reputable company such as Crucial or others
> it can be run at 133.
> I have several stick th no problem.
>
>
> Charles

I'll try it first, but replace if there's any doubt.  Thanks, Charles.

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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 again!

2003-04-01 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 31 Mar 2003 10:03 pm, Robert Crawford wrote:
> Anne,
> I've been away for a day. I see you got the 2.4.21 installed, so I guess
> the lilo problem has been solved. On the camera problem- I had a similar
> problem with a canon PowerShot G2, and never was able to solve it with
> Mandrake 9.0, so I can offer little help on that one.
>
> Robert C.
>
Hi, Robert.  Yes, it's working under the new kernel - couldn't wait for the 
9.1 disks, you see   I'm very puzzled by the mount though.  fstab mounts 
it under /mnt/removable and mtab shows it as /mnt/camera!

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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread diego
True, but that's why standards are for...

Have a look at http://www.w3.org/ as they are working on html, xml, etc
standards and they pretend them to be widely spread.

M$ is not a reference to proof a standard. I read somewhere that M$
worked together with other companies to get HTML transactional 4 (look
the web above), but in the end what they have made is:
their products to understand the standard they among others aproved, but
when designing a web page by default their programs violate it!!!

For example:
M$ frontpage does by default:   text 
Should be:  text 

They don't close some tags, use options that does not exist, ...

Don't know about xml treatment, but from what I know about html, don't
think of how M$ products XML output is, but if they read the XML
produced by another program.




El mar, 01-04-2003 a las 21:46, Praedor Atrebates escribió:
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> On Tuesday 01 April 2003 02:29 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> > IIRC, OpenOffice.org is working with OASIS to correct this very problem
> >
> > Here's hoping...
> [...]
> > -Original Message-
> > From: diego [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:44 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.
> >
> >
> > XML is universal and should perform ok with any perl/whatever script to
> > convert to/from any other format. Only backdraw I can think of is
> > unefficiency (you'd probably end with much more tags than data
> > itself)...
> [...]
> 
> It has been my understanding that XML isn't a panacea and isn't necessarily 
> universal.  As I understood it for instance, M$ is supposed to use XML in its 
> default Word format output in the nearish future - but that this doesn't in 
> any way assure that OO/SO or Wordperfect, etc, would be able to understand 
> it.  I am no XML expert by any means, just guiding loosely on what came up 
> during discussion at slashdot several weeks back.  
> 
> It would be nice if this were wrong - if XML would actually make it more 
> likely to be able to open docs/files cross-platform (REAL 
> cross-platform/cross-os).  
> 
> praedor
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Re: [expert] Mobo query

2003-04-01 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Tuesday April 1 2003 03:09 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:43:06 -0500
>
> Robert Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It appears you
> > will need PC133 SDRAM, and I'll bet your other cyrix/IBM has
> > PC100 at best.
>
> If it is "good" PC100 from a reputable company such as Crucial or
> others it can be run at 133.
> I have several stick th no problem.
>
>
> Charles


For sure, I've got an anicent stick of 128MB Mosel Vitelic 8ns 
cas2 'pc100' ram running with two other Crucial sticks. All at cas2, 
4 bank-interleaving at 135mhz.  Won't do 137 tho, without errors :) 
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[expert] Can two mice be used with Mandrake simultaneously?

2003-04-01 Thread Damon Lynch
Hi,

My physiotherapist is suggesting a mouse for the left and the right
hand, with one for half the day, and one for the other half.  Can I have
both plugged in at the same time?  (I don't need to actually move them
around simultaneously :-)  I'd prefer not to have to crawl under the
desk twice a day, and my current mouse is strictly right handed only. 
My right handed mouse is a USB model.

Thanks and best wishes,
Damon

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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 again!

2003-04-01 Thread Ralph Crongeyer
I use to use gphoto in 9.0 with a PowerShot S30 "USB". All I had to do was 
plugin the camra to a usb port turn it on and start gphoto configure it for 
my camra and usb and presto download the pic's.

Ralph

On Monday 31 March 2003 04:03 pm, Robert Crawford wrote:
> Anne,
> I've been away for a day. I see you got the 2.4.21 installed, so I guess
> the lilo problem has been solved. On the camera problem- I had a similar
> problem with a canon PowerShot G2, and never was able to solve it with
> Mandrake 9.0, so I can offer little help on that one.
>
> Robert C.
>
> On Monday 31 March 2003 01:26 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Monday 31 Mar 2003 7:08 pm, Brian wrote:
> > > On Monday 31 March 2003 12:58 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > I've installed the 2.4.21 kernel, and think that with a bit of help
> > > > it should be possible to get the camera working now.  It has been
> > > > recognised as /dev/sdb1 (see fstab attached).  Under /mnt I find
> > > > /camera/dcim - I had made a mountpoint 'camera' when trying to get
> > > > this working before, but the 'dcim' is totally new, and, I believe,
> > > > an attempt to read the camera.
> > > >
> > > > From mount -a I get:
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]# mount -a
> > > > mount: No medium found
> > > > mount: fs type umask=0 not supported by kernel
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]#
> > > >
> > > > Selecting either 'removable' or 'camera/dcim' from a file manager,
> > > > either as root or user, opens as an empty directory, whereas I know
> > > > there are images.
> > > >
> > > > It has the feel of a permissions problem, but I can't spot it.
> > > > What am I missing?
> > > >
> > > > Anne
> > >
> > > The dcim is the folder on the media, it should contain your images if
> > > you have any on the camera.  Sounds like you have done it.
> > >
> > > Brian
> >
> > That's what I thought, Brian, but I can't see the images in Konqueror.
> >
> > Anne


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[expert] CD-ROM troubles

2003-04-01 Thread Stutzman, JL Jason (6081) @ IS
I've installed MDK 9.1 on two machines...one worked perfectly, the other has
CD-ROM troubles.

It is a dual 500 Mhz (kinda old) with a SCSI interface card (for scanner,
and ZIP drive). One of the CD drives is a writer and is under SCSI
emulation. The other is a standard DVD rom drive on the ide.

The CD-RW drive (although used to install MDK just fine) will not mount any
CDs...something about an input/output error. When I disable supermount and
try to manually mount it, give the error message about "wrong fs type, bad
superblock, too many mounts etc..."

The DVD drive seems to work ok on the command line, nautilus takes for ever
to do anything, and "pings" the drive even when there are no discs inside.

I have seen grumblings about these problems in the past, but haven't found
the solution yet.

Anyone know the answer to make my day?

Thanks,
Jae

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Re: [expert] Can two mice be used with Mandrake simultaneously?

2003-04-01 Thread Rob Blomquist
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 01:41 pm, Damon Lynch wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My physiotherapist is suggesting a mouse for the left and the right
> hand, with one for half the day, and one for the other half.  Can I
> have both plugged in at the same time?  (I don't need to actually
> move them around simultaneously :-)  I'd prefer not to have to
> crawl under the desk twice a day, and my current mouse is strictly
> right handed only. My right handed mouse is a USB model.

I understand that multiple pointers can be used with Linux with USB 
mice. I believe that the information that I have came from 
www.linux-usb.org.

Rob

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Re: [expert] Can two mice be used with Mandrake simultaneously?

2003-04-01 Thread Robert Goshko
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 14:41, Damon Lynch wrote:
> My physiotherapist is suggesting a mouse for the left and the right
> hand, with one for half the day, and one for the other half.  Can I have
> both plugged in at the same time?  (I don't need to actually move them
> around simultaneously :-)  I'd prefer not to have to crawl under the
> desk twice a day, and my current mouse is strictly right handed only. 
> My right handed mouse is a USB model.

You can do this, I have both my trackpad (PS/2) built in mouse and USB
wheel mouse working on my laptop at the same time.

I'm not sure if 2 USB mice would work at the same time?  But is you got
a left handed PS/2 mouse I can't see any problem.

You have to add some lines to your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/usbmouse"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse2"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "PS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Emulate3Buttons"
Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
EndSection

...and at the end:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "layout1"
InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Mouse2" "SendCoreEvents"
Screen "screen1"
EndSection

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Re: [expert] Can two mice be used with Mandrake simultaneously?

2003-04-01 Thread Jack Coates
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 13:41, Damon Lynch wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My physiotherapist is suggesting a mouse for the left and the right
> hand, with one for half the day, and one for the other half.  Can I have
> both plugged in at the same time?  (I don't need to actually move them
> around simultaneously :-)  I'd prefer not to have to crawl under the
> desk twice a day, and my current mouse is strictly right handed only. 
> My right handed mouse is a USB model.
> 
> Thanks and best wishes,
> Damon

As I understand it, you just define two pointer stanzas in
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and then go to town :-) I don't know if the GUI
tool supports this.
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Re: [expert] Fuji Finepix S304 again!

2003-04-01 Thread Ralph Crongeyer
Now that I think of it I used DigiKam Sorry for the mixup.

Ralph

On Tuesday 01 April 2003 04:46 pm, Ralph Crongeyer wrote:
> I use to use gphoto in 9.0 with a PowerShot S30 "USB". All I had to do was
> plugin the camra to a usb port turn it on and start gphoto configure it for
> my camra and usb and presto download the pic's.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Monday 31 March 2003 04:03 pm, Robert Crawford wrote:
> > Anne,
> > I've been away for a day. I see you got the 2.4.21 installed, so I guess
> > the lilo problem has been solved. On the camera problem- I had a similar
> > problem with a canon PowerShot G2, and never was able to solve it with
> > Mandrake 9.0, so I can offer little help on that one.
> >
> > Robert C.
> >
> > On Monday 31 March 2003 01:26 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Monday 31 Mar 2003 7:08 pm, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Monday 31 March 2003 12:58 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > I've installed the 2.4.21 kernel, and think that with a bit of help
> > > > > it should be possible to get the camera working now.  It has been
> > > > > recognised as /dev/sdb1 (see fstab attached).  Under /mnt I find
> > > > > /camera/dcim - I had made a mountpoint 'camera' when trying to get
> > > > > this working before, but the 'dcim' is totally new, and, I believe,
> > > > > an attempt to read the camera.
> > > > >
> > > > > From mount -a I get:
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]# mount -a
> > > > > mount: No medium found
> > > > > mount: fs type umask=0 not supported by kernel
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]#
> > > > >
> > > > > Selecting either 'removable' or 'camera/dcim' from a file manager,
> > > > > either as root or user, opens as an empty directory, whereas I know
> > > > > there are images.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has the feel of a permissions problem, but I can't spot it.
> > > > > What am I missing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anne
> > > >
> > > > The dcim is the folder on the media, it should contain your images if
> > > > you have any on the camera.  Sounds like you have done it.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > >
> > > That's what I thought, Brian, but I can't see the images in Konqueror.
> > >
> > > Anne


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Re: openssh was: Re: [expert] 9.1 First Day recap

2003-04-01 Thread Benjamin Pflugmann
Hi.

On Mon 2003-03-31 at 21:18:10 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun Mar 30, 2003 at 09:35:58AM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote:
[...]
> >  -i  Specifies that sshd is being run from inetd.  sshd is
> >  normally not run from inetd because it needs to generate
> >  the server key before it can respond to the client, and
> >  this may take tens of seconds.  Clients would have to wait
> >  too long if the key was regenerated every time.  However,
> >  with small key sizes (e.g., 512) using sshd from inetd may
> >  be feasible.
> > 
> > >From what I can see it should regen the key everytime it runs and only
> > when it runs.  So not having a key on the box would be normal.  Wouldn't
> > this really muck up RSA authentication and key checking?  
> 
> No.  The key isn't regenerated each time.  That would play all kinds of
> havoc with authentication and would render known_hosts virtually useless.

Yes, it is. It's just that the sshd naming is a bit overloaded. What
you are talking about is the "host key". The "server key" is more like
a temporary key ("session key" has it's own meaning, that's why I am
not using it in this context), which is generated once an hour by
default.

Btw, I only know all that, because I understood that the man page
talked about the temporary key and thought "server key" was just a
typo. Then I learned The Truth. ;)

Now, when running from inetd, the server key is generated each time,
which is slow.

> I believe this is for some sort of hash that sshd uses internally
> for the keys... it isn't the actual keyfile that is regenerated each
> time.

Correct.

> In fact, because of this, I don't understand why Thierry made it
> runable from xinetd.  Sure, it's possible, but it's so inefficient
> to make it pretty much worthless.

I just learned that the server key is only generated for protocol
version 1. Protocol version 2 seems to do without. So if you disabled
Protocol 2, there would be no penatly for generating the server key.
(I do not imply whether running by inetd is a good thing or not. I
just noticed that the key generation issue isn't one anymore).

> As soon as I found out why he did it, I plan to take it out... no one should
> run sshd from xinetd.

Regardless of the current issue, I would really like that "design
decisions" like that would be better documented generally. I am doing
a lot of programming and am used to expect a explainging comment when
a formerly working design is changed. The rpm changelogs are really
short on that. :-/

The thing I find most sad about this is that really capable people are
making these changes and reading those comments could be like being
beaten with a cluestick. :-)

HAND,

Benjamin.




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Re: [expert] Mobo query

2003-04-01 Thread Robert Crawford
I agree- I run only Crucial on all my boxes. I've never had a ram problem in 
all these years, and if you like to overclock, Crucial always does great. But 
if Anne has cheapo pc100 on the old cyrix/ibm box, it probably won't cut it 
with a PC133 board.

Robert C.

On Tuesday 01 April 2003 04:34 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> On Tuesday April 1 2003 03:09 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:43:06 -0500
> >
> > Robert Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > It appears you
> > > will need PC133 SDRAM, and I'll bet your other cyrix/IBM has
> > > PC100 at best.
> >
> > If it is "good" PC100 from a reputable company such as Crucial or
> > others it can be run at 133.
> > I have several stick th no problem.
> >
> >
> > Charles
>
> For sure, I've got an anicent stick of 128MB Mosel Vitelic 8ns
> cas2 'pc100' ram running with two other Crucial sticks. All at cas2,
> 4 bank-interleaving at 135mhz.  Won't do 137 tho, without errors :)


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[expert] Unknown processes...

2003-04-01 Thread Leonardo
I have these running...

keventd
kapmd
ksoftirqd_CPU0
kswapd
bdflush
kupdated
mdrecoveryd
kjournald

... and i'm deperate to free some system's resources. I don't have any ideas
about what they are, and I would take some time in google trying to find
what these process are.
So, can I kill (or disable) some of them?

Cheers

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Re: [expert] acpi and resume on a Toshiba Satellite 4090

2003-04-01 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 05:08, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote:
> On 30 Mar 2003, James Sparenberg wrote:
> 
> I'll do a double check at home.  All that said, you're using 'pmsuspend',
> right?
> 
> > Yes... if I leave it commented out ... it goes to ram... (verified by
> > removing power suspend is lost.) If I comment it in it goes to
> > disk.. Perhaps a setting in your BIOS.  As long as you don't have a bios
> > like mine you might be able to change it.

Yes when I boot to the kernel config with acpi on.  However I spend most
of my time in apm  still trying to figure out the problems with the
Compaq dsdt table (Suspend is about the only thing that works in
acpi with this laptop.)

James

> 
> ---
> Alan Wilter S. da Silva
> ---
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>   Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho
>Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ
> Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Can two mice be used with Mandrake simultaneously?

2003-04-01 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 14:17, Jack Coates wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 13:41, Damon Lynch wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > My physiotherapist is suggesting a mouse for the left and the right
> > hand, with one for half the day, and one for the other half.  Can I have
> > both plugged in at the same time?  (I don't need to actually move them
> > around simultaneously :-)  I'd prefer not to have to crawl under the
> > desk twice a day, and my current mouse is strictly right handed only. 
> > My right handed mouse is a USB model.
> > 
> > Thanks and best wishes,
> > Damon
> 
> As I understand it, you just define two pointer stanzas in
> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and then go to town :-) I don't know if the GUI
> tool supports this.

Only other thing I've run into is that some BIOS's have an "Enable
Multiple Pointers" feature.  Haven't seen it much but I have seen it. 
So if something doesn't work... check for this.

James



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Re: [expert] crossover plugin?

2003-04-01 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 10:16, Jack Coates wrote:
> any one else using (or failing to use) crossover plugin on 9.1? It
> quietly fails to work here, except pluginsetup which fails with "unable
> to get info about installed DLLs."



Yep and I've talked with one of their people about this as well.  I've
know some who claim that they got it to work by keeping the old config
from 9.0 but I can't get it to actually install anything but itself
here.  I could run the product install script but that is as far as I
got.

James



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Re: [expert] Unknown processes...

2003-04-01 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 19:33, Leonardo wrote:
> I have these running...
> 
> keventd
> kapmd
> ksoftirqd_CPU0
> kswapd
> bdflush
> kupdated
> mdrecoveryd
> kjournald
> 
> ... and i'm deperate to free some system's resources. I don't have any ideas
> about what they are, and I would take some time in google trying to find
> what these process are.
> So, can I kill (or disable) some of them?
> 

In a word, no. These are all kernel related processes for various
functions. They also don't take up a lot of resources anyway, so even if
you could, you wouldn't gain much. 

Is there something wrong with your machine? What symptoms are you
experiencing?


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Re: [expert] open source spreadsheet file format.

2003-04-01 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 06:20, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 Apr 2003 3:10 pm, Frankie wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I have to write a webapp with a downlaod option for the data..
> > at present the format is in .csv (comma seperated values)
> >
> > however there are massive limitations to what csv can display. notably
> > there is no way to make headers of format the data at all
> >
> > In word processors we have rich text format (.rtf) is there anything
> > available that does the same thing for spreadsheets?
> >
> > It must be openable in excel, lotus etc.. and hopefully openoffice as
> > well...
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions on this one??
> >
> Stating the obvious, Franki, but couldn't it stay as a spreadsheet?  .xls can 
> be opened in Excel, Lotus 1-2-3 (as long as you are not using the latest 
> edition additions) and OOo - though if macros were involved it would be more 
> difficult.
> 
> If you need to test anything against Lotus 1-2-3 you could send it to me - I'm 
> happy to help.
> 
> Anne

Or OOo will convert it to html for you.


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[expert] I also had network problems (among others...) after upgrading from 9.0 to 9.1

2003-04-01 Thread Stephen Hillier
I have an old Dell GX-Pro with a Pentium Pro 200, 128 Meg, 3COM 3c905
Boomerang 10/100baseT and Adaptec 2940UW scsi (no IDE enabled). Its a test
machine I use at work and I thought I'd upgrade it first to check things out
before upgrading my main home server machine. I'm glad I did the test
upgrade but now I'm afraid to upgrade my home machine!

After upgrading I noticed that my DHCP client had been switched from dhcpcd
to dhclient. Although I was getting an IP address and my machine thinks it
has a fully qualified host name, the host name was not showing up in DNS
with a fully qualified domain. I also found that KDE was now hanging just
after initializing and I was getting xinetd errors in syslog every few
seconds. I'm assuming that KDE can't connect to itself so to speak. I tried
to use drakxconf, linuxconf, webmin, some manual tweaking to get the
networking to work. When using the 'automated' tools a tulip card as well as
the 3c905 kept getting detected. Since I only have the 3c905 the insmod
keeps failing. I also end up in a loop with drakxconf trying to install
drivers from CD but for some reason the device file for the scsi CDROM has
disappeared. I've tried running through the upgrade a couple of times hoping
for magic but not receiving any. I guess its time to re-install from
scratch!

I'm willing to put up with a lot but this is too much for 9.0 to 9.1
upgrade!


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Re: [expert] Can two mice be used with Mandrake simultaneously?

2003-04-01 Thread Damon Lynch
Thanks very much everyone for the detailed information.  All I need to
do now is find a decent left-hand mouse with buttons that can be
activated by the thumb - not easy to do!  For the right hand I use a 3M
ergonomic mouse -

http://www.3m.com/cws/renmouse.html

This works very well but is strictly right-handed.  Any suggestions?

Thanks and best wishes,
Damon

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Re: [expert] Can two mice be used with Mandrake simultaneously?

2003-04-01 Thread Jason Greenwood
AFAIK, yes, they can, it's a matter of piping the output of one through 
the other eg, like using a touchpad AND external mouse on a laptop at 
the same time (which I currently can do). It makes use of the send core 
events argument in the XF86 Config files.

I will attch my config files for you to compare.

Cheers

Jason

Damon Lynch wrote:
Hi,

My physiotherapist is suggesting a mouse for the left and the right
hand, with one for half the day, and one for the other half.  Can I have
both plugged in at the same time?  (I don't need to actually move them
around simultaneously :-)  I'd prefer not to have to crawl under the
desk twice a day, and my current mouse is strictly right handed only. 
My right handed mouse is a USB model.

Thanks and best wishes,
Damon




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Section "Files"
RgbPath  "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX"
# Additional fonts: Locale, Gimp, TTF...
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
#FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi"
#FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi"
# True type and type1 fonts are also handled via xftlib, see /etc/X11/XftConfig!
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives"
#   FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/CID"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
EndSection

Section "Keyboard"
   Protocol"Standard"
   AutoRepeat  500 5
   LeftAltMeta
   RightAltMeta
   ScrollLock  Compose
   RightCtlControl
# This is just the default keymap for X.
# May be changed with the KDE international keyboard tool.
   XkbModel"pc104"
   XkbLayout "us"

#   XkbOptions  "ctrl:swapcaps"
#   XkbKeycodes "xfree86"
#   XkbTypes"default"
#   XkbCompat   "default"
#   XkbSymbols  "us(pc101)"
#   XkbGeometry "pc"
#   XkbRules"xfree86"
#   XkbModel"pc101"
#   XkbLayout "us"
EndSection

Section "Pointer"
Protocol"PS/2"
Device  "/dev/mouse"
Emulate3Buttons
Emulate3Timeout70
EndSection

# Auto-generated by mkxf86config

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
# Wish we could use some probed settings here, too, but XFree4 cannot do this yet.
#   HorizSync28.0 - 78.0 # Warning: This may fry very old Monitors
HorizSync28.0 - 96.0 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors
VertRefresh  50.0 - 76.0 # Very conservative. May flicker.
# These are some Modelines that happen to work on many systems
# Especially the "1024x768" has been thoroughly tested, even on Laptops
Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640  664  760  800   480  491  493  525 #60Hz
Modeline "800x600" 40.12  800  848  968 1056   600  601  605  628 #60Hz
Modeline "1024x768"851024 1056 1152 1360   768  784  787  823
Modeline "1152x864"921152 1208 1368 1474   864  865  875  895
Modeline "1152x864"   1101152 1240 1324 1552   864  864  876  908
Modeline "1152x864"   1351152 1464 1592 1776   864  864  876  908
Modeline "1152x864"   137.65 1152 1184 1312 1536   864  866  885  902 -HSync 
-VSync
Modeline "1280x1024"   801280 1296 1512 1568  1024 1025 1037 1165 Interlace
Modeline "1280x1024"  1101280 1328 1512 1712  1024 1025 1028 1054
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-VSync
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+VSync
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-VSync
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+VSync
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-VSync
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+VSync
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+VSync
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