Re: [expert] hard disk duplication and partition growth
Forget cp, it will nearly always choke on some things. To get a reliable copy, that guarentees all permissions, and ownerships will stay in tact: # cd / # find /[old-home] -print | cpio -pdumv /[New-Home] Then make the appropriate changes to /etc/fstab, and you're there. This one has never failed me. Ric On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 12:28:34PM +, Christopher Joseph wrote: First apologies. I have had some problems getting the search function on the mail archives to function properly this morning so I have not been able to trawl for past questions regarding the same topic properly. The problem: I have bought a new 80 Gb ATA133 Hard disk for my desktop running mandrake linux. I would like to migrate some of the partions on the existing disk to the new disk and then 'grow' the remaining partitions to fill the original disk. I tried moving /home, /usr and /var on to the new disk by simply using SU on konqueror and simply copying the files accross. I them altered /etc/fstab to mount the new partitions at reboot. BUT - the copy process changed a lot of permissions and all kinds of things have errored Like: opening emacs I couldn't save back to my emacs preferences because the .emacs... file had been chmodded as part of the copy process. or any number of services failed to shutdown or start despite there being no failures in the copy process. Again probably down to permissions. The Question: How should I migrate partions (/var, /usr, /home) onto the new disk and grow the remaining ones (/, SWAP). Thanks in advance. -- Christopher Joseph --- http://www.ideadesigners.com [iseries web technologies] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 78019724 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 9.1rc2 Hostname problem
All; I installed 9.1rc2 last night, and it has an annoying problem. It won't let me set the hostname. It defaults it to some, very long, strange thing. In the past, I've always gotten round this, by forcing the hostname in /etc/sysconfig/network. But that trick isn't working in 9.1rc2. The workstation is running undder DHCP, and I suspect that's where the name is coming from. But I've always been able to change it before. Any suggestions? Or did I miss a big one again? :) Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1rc2 Hostname problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 06:51:08PM +, Eric Fernandez wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; I installed 9.1rc2 last night, and it has an annoying problem. It won't let me set the hostname. It defaults it to some, very long, strange thing. In the past, I've always gotten round this, by forcing the hostname in /etc/sysconfig/network. But that trick isn't working in 9.1rc2. The workstation is running undder DHCP, and I suspect that's where the name is coming from. But I've always been able to change it before. Any suggestions? Or did I miss a big one again? :) Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Do not report RC2 here, but on cooker list (or bugzilla). DHCP has been debugged since RC2, update to latest cooker. I didn't know if it was a bug, or a feature. Which is why I asked the question, and not filed a bug report. This is not at all uncommon on this list. But thank you for being yet another, self appointed list moderator. It's good to know there are so many out there willing to interject their personal opinion as if it were law. ya know what? I've had so many problems with MDL since 9.0, that I'm just going to take it off, and re-install RedHat. It runs. Maybe I'll return to MDL when: Someone fires all the self appointed list moderators. I asked a simple question, and got a lecture. I'm tired of this. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Boycotting MDL
I'm making a statement of personal/political basis. I'm personally boycotting Mandrake Linux. When the French remember who their firends are, and support them, then perhaps this American will return, and support the French again. Until then, you can kiss my American dollars good-bye. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1rc2 Hostname problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 01:08:37PM -0600, Paul Cox wrote: On Thursday 13 March 2003 12:06 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; I installed 9.1rc2 last night, and it has an annoying problem. It won't let me set the hostname. It defaults it to some, very long, strange thing. In the past, I've always gotten round this, by forcing the hostname in /etc/sysconfig/network. But that trick isn't working in 9.1rc2. The workstation is running undder DHCP, and I suspect that's where the name is coming from. But I've always been able to change it before. Update dhcp-client from the cooker and it should fix it (you'll also need dhcp-common). Thank you. I'll give that a shot. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1rc2 Hostname problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:10:08PM +, Eric Fernandez wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: I didn't know if it was a bug, or a feature. Which is why I asked the question, and not filed a bug report. This is not at all uncommon on this list. But thank you for being yet another, self appointed list moderator. It's good to know there are so many out there willing to interject their personal opinion as if it were law. ya know what? I've had so many problems with MDL since 9.0, that I'm just going to take it off, and re-install RedHat. It runs. Maybe I'll return to MDL when: Someone fires all the self appointed list moderators. I asked a simple question, and got a lecture. I'm tired of this. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Sorry, you misunderstood me. I am not english native speaker, I have a lot of work, and I thought this would help because I had the answer. I know perfectly that RC2 is bugged at that level, since I participate to the debugging phase, and that there have been a lot of updates for the network since RC2. Do not forget this is a developer version. So what do you want me to answer ??? I did not make you any criticism about the bug report, I just remembered that there is another list for debugging cooker... I did not want to sound harsh, but I gave a simple and quick answer, and finally I am criticized. Very rude for someone who just try to help, no ? :( Eric Eric My appoligies. I did indeed mis-understand the tenor of your reply. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Boycotting MDL
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:16:24PM +, Eric Fernandez wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: I'm making a statement of personal/political basis. I'm personally boycotting Mandrake Linux. When the French remember who their firends are, and support them, then perhaps this American will return, and support the French again. Until then, you can kiss my American dollars good-bye. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com You are pathetic... I tried to help you with the RC2 network bug, you have been upset because I did not give you a 3 pages answer (but my answer was accurate and genuine, I just have no time since I try to debug the future 9.1), and now you come with that American dollar story... I thought that Linux users were more intelligent to not mix international politics and computing. Eric My two posts are totally dis-related. I am only mixing computing, and politics, because Mandrakesoft has made such a crusade out of getting money. And sorry to inform you, but it is very common for international politics, and business to be mixed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Boycotting MDL
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:34:10PM +, Eric Fernandez wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: My two posts are totally dis-related. So you ask for help/advice about 9.1RC2, and five minutes later you decide to declare publicly that you want to boycott Mandrake ? This sounds very logical... Everybody is free to do what he thinks is just. Personnaly I still buy some american products. We do not have the same point of view about war, but I don't think that working people should be penalized because of just another classical geopolitics fight. They are not responsible. Let me put it this way: I spent a number of years living in Europe, and Asia, because I so strongly disagreed with the things my govenrment was doing. I'm very near to doing the same thing again. I don't agree with what they are doing. I don't agree with the war. I feel that there are far greater threats to the world than Iraq, and issues of far greater importance within the US that need to be addressed, and our president is refusing to address them. That does not however defer my support for my country. It also does not make me forget who my friends are. Eric, none of this is targeted at you. I doubt that you, or I could sway the direction of things. I also doubt that my support (or lack of) for MDK would impact you, the person. My statement is targeted at Mandrakesoft. They want my support. The US needs Frances support. Pressure from one, can effect the other. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1rc2 Hostname problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:32:09PM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 6:57 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 06:51:08PM +, Eric Fernandez wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: ya know what? I've had so many problems with MDL since 9.0, that I'm just going to take it off, and re-install RedHat. It runs. Ric, I don't know what problems you had with 9.0, but you must remember that 9.1 is still in beta. rc (release candidate) means it is getting nearer, but it will still have major bugs. It's there for the experienced to try to find them before it is too late to iron them out. That said, it is unfair to bad-mouth a distro when looking at its cooker versions. If you return to 9.0 we may be able to help with your problems. Anne; Hi, good to hear from you. I've always liked your answers, you do a great job of being very diplomatic. Thank you. - Personally, I'm on one of my tirades today. But you've seen them from me before if you've been around this list any length of time. - I really wasn't bad-mouthing the distro. And I understand that rc(n) is beta, and is bound to have problems. Which is why my original post was a simple question, to see if I was being brain damaged, and missed a previously reported problem, or if it was a new bug that I would need to report. I was then told not to report it here, to take it to the cooker list, etc. My critisizm was not for the distro. If I didn't like MDL, I wouldn't bother with it. It was for the (seemingly) self appointed list moderators that continually feel it their duty to play cop on this list. However. That turned out to be a misunderstanding, and I've made my appology to the individual involved. FWIW: I have 9.1rc2 installed, and with the exception of the hostname issue, am happy with it. This is the first version of 9.1 that actually installed on my tired old PC (can't afford any fancy new computers..). So far, I'm quite happy with it. It even correctly detected my printer, and set it up at install time (a detail that another well known distro seems to have overlooked). Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Boycotting MDL
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 08:08:52PM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 7:52 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:34:10PM +, Eric Fernandez wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: Ric you have been reading the lists long enough to know that we have asked/requested/begged that these topics be moved to an OT list. This list is not for political discussion. I know, I know... I'm hanging my head in total shame... I should have my keyboard taken away on days like today. My appologies to the list for my unwarrented outburst. I consider my hand duely slapped. Ric Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1rc2 Hostname problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 01:59:03PM -0600, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday March 13 2003 12:57 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Do not report RC2 here, but on cooker list (or bugzilla). DHCP has been debugged since RC2, update to latest cooker. I didn't know if it was a bug, or a feature. Which is why I asked the question, and not filed a bug report. This is not at all uncommon on this list. Understandable. The advice to post to cooker or file a bug report was misplaced anyhow as this problem has endless duplicate bug reports already filed. The assertion to update to current cooker is valid tho. This and other network and DHCP related stuff has already been fixed. IME, bugs reports on RC2, or any other beta ios's are usually reported and fixed within a few days, so bug reporting them at this late date is invalid. A search of the cooker archive http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/ would've revealed this, On the bright side, if you update to current cooker this weekend, you'll have 9.1 final ;) Thanks Tom. I'll take a look at it tonight. Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] New list Moderator (was) 9.1rc2 Hostname problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 02:49:33PM -0500, Mark Weaver wrote: All you's guys! I'm appointing myself a moderator and I'm also appointing Et, as my leu-ten-ant. My first action as moderator is to demand that Ric drink some guiness until he's sh^t-faced and all the tension drains out. Boycotting the list is not allowed and no one is allowed to be an @$$hole except for ET when he feels like it. LOL I'll accept Marks appointment as list moderator, and will respect his suggestion. Pub time is coming up soon here. I'm off work in an hour. I'm overdue to get totally sh^tfaced. :) - Note to self: Park the damn car, and take a taxi when going out to get clobbered.. don't drive Don't drive Don't drive... Ric Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Boycotting MDL
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 12:01:04PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 11:00, Ric Tibbetts wrote: I'm making a statement of personal/political basis. I'm personally boycotting Mandrake Linux. When the French remember who their firends are, and support them, then perhaps this American will return, and support the French again. Until then, you can kiss my American dollars good-bye. Ric Along the way... get your ass down to the recruiting center and learn what freedom really is... then remove yourself from this list ... please. Thank you for the suggestion. But I did my time. 6 years in the Air Force, during the Vietnam era. I didn't agree with that one either, but I still supported my country, and did my bit. Ric Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [expert] Boycotting MDL
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 12:02:22PM -0600, Joe Braddock wrote: ---Original Message--- From: Ric Tibbetts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/13/03 01:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Boycotting MDL On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:34:10PM +, Eric Fernandez wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: My two posts are totally dis-related. So you ask for help/advice about 9.1RC2, and five minutes later you decide to declare publicly that you want to boycott Mandrake ? This sounds very logical... Everybody is free to do what he thinks is just. Personnaly I still buy some american products. We do not have the same point of view about war, but I don't think that working people should be penalized because of just another classical geopolitics fight. They are not responsible. Let me put it this way: I spent a number of years living in Europe, and Asia, because I so strongly disagreed with the things my govenrment was doing. I'm very near to doing the same thing again. I don't agree with what they are doing. I don't agree with the war. I feel that there are far greater threats to the world than Iraq, and issues of far greater importance within the US that need to be addressed, and our president is refusing to address them. That does not however defer my support for my country. It also does not make me forget who my friends are. Eric, none of this is targeted at you. I doubt that you, or I could sway the direction of things. I also doubt that my support (or lack of) for MDK would impact you, the person. My statement is targeted at Mandrakesoft. They want my support. The US needs Frances support. Pressure from one, can effect the other. Ric Ummm, Ric, what is Mandrakesoft's position on the possible war with Iraq? How do you know that they, Mandrakesoft, aren't in favor of it and lobbying their government to change it's position? You don't and neither do I. What I do know is that this is not the proper forum for this type of discussion. Someone, I don't remember who, has set up a list for OT discussions. That might be the more appropriate forum (and no, I am not another self proclaimed list moderator). Joeb You're absolutely right Joe. So I will refrain from making any further comment on that subject to this list, effictive now. Ric Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1rc2 Hostname problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 08:25:02PM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 8:08 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:32:09PM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 6:57 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: FWIW: I have 9.1rc2 installed, and with the exception of the hostname issue, am happy with it. This is the first version of 9.1 that actually installed on my tired old PC (can't afford any fancy new computers..). So far, I'm quite happy with it. It even correctly detected my printer, and set it up at install time (a detail that another well known distro seems to have overlooked). That's good to hear. Trouble is, you know, that at times like this feelings can be tender, wherever you live. Leave politics alone for the list. Your experience with this release is encouraging. After watching all the struggles I get nervous about moving on and up. It was the same with 9.0 - but when I did it, it went flawlessly. So far, IMHO, you would do well to be nervous about 9.1, it's been more problemmatic than most previous MDL releases. So far, rc2 is the first to even install run on my hardware. I still confine use of betas to my non-critical systems. I learned that lesson many years ago. But 9.1 is getting there. I need to beat it up some more though. It was late last night when I finally got it loaded, and I got hung up on the hostname issue (thank you to all who pointed out the fix for that). I'm looking forward to working with it tonight. -- Ric Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Boycotting MDL
Ok, I wasn't going to do this. But after all the Warm Wonderful responses that have been posted here, I just can't resist any longer. Do I support believe in the War? Hell no! I firmly believe the Mr. Bush, and his family are wrong on this one, and need to focus on more pressing matters. But: What a great country I live in, that I can have, and openly state that opinion! My approval, or non-approval of my governments actions have nothing to do with my support of my country. Any disagreement I may have with them, I free to take up with them. What a marvelous thing that is! We've fought long and hard to have that right. And like so many before me, I'll continue to protect that right. Something many on this list cannot know, because they've never experienced human rights in thier older, more experienced countries. Ric Ric Tibbetts wrote: I'm making a statement of personal/political basis. I'm personally boycotting Mandrake Linux. When the French remember who their firends are, and support them, then perhaps this American will return, and support the French again. Until then, you can kiss my American dollars good-bye. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD = 8.1?
Ya know people, There used to be a time with Linux, that what you get was really bare bones. It was the kernel, some gnu utilities, and a basic installer. Then we the Linux community would scurry about, and find the bits that we liked, and wanted, and we spent some time, getting to know them, and massaging them onto our systems. And when we were all done (here's the scary bit), people used to take what they had packaged up, and put it on a web site for all to use. What a fantastic model that was. That truely WAS the very heart soul of Linux in the early days. But alas, today, we are besieged with spoiled, whiney (l)users who want it all done for them. Sod this learn how nonsense. You just want it all packaged up, nince tidy for you. What a spoiled bunch of windows (l)users you are. Show some hair. Go get the friggin packages, build 'em, and then SHARE 'em! What a fantastic idea that IS! How about you quit wanting to MandrakeSoft to give you everything, and give something back? That's the way it used to work. It still should. Mandrakesoft can't possibly be expected to support a continuing production schedule, AND go find evey piece of software, and make it work with every release they've ever put out. I fall back on my original statement: Do it yourself, and share. That's what it's all about. Ric OR: Go get KDE x.xx and install it yourself! Yes, lets to the same work a thousand times over! In stead of Mandrake doing it just once and sharing it with their community. Very smart... Or you do it and share it with the community so that they do not have to do it a thousand times over. Become a Club volunteer and package KDE3.1 for club members, I bet you would get a VIP membership out of it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity
Vincent Danen wrote: On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 12:29:42PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests for requests like: When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such. Truth is, they won't. But people don't seem to get the picture. So they had to put an eol on there. I know, there are plentyof other reasons, but that's one of them. Wow... Red Hat has the same problem we have. I recall seeing something like this on this very list not too long ago... And moreif you have ever tried to compile a kernel on 8.0 grin I have built kernels on 8.0... what's the problem with building kernels on 8.0? Ditto: I have an 8.0 box on my desk at work. I've not had any problems building kernels on it. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT - Not ready while 123 runs
And just what does any of this have to do with MDK? I don't particularly care what will, or will not install on XP. This isn't the place for it. Ric On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 11:53:05PM -0400, Adolfo Bello wrote: Today, I tried to install Netscape 7 in a XP-SP1 box. After answering the Accept/Agree ubiquitous questions in today's installation programs, the setup program crashed. I tried a couple of times more with the same outcome. Curiosity made me boot XP-SP1 in my laptop to install Netscape. The setup program crashed again. Well, maybe the setup program is corrupted, so let's download it again. Humm. Let me try in another XP box without SP1. Perfect. No fuss, no crash. Then I decided to download the new Netscape version 7.02 (released after SP1) and install it in the two reluctant XP-SP1 boxes. No problem whatsoever. Is Redmont condemning Winsucks users to repeat the history? -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity
I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests for requests like: When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such. Truth is, they won't. But people don't seem to get the picture. So they had to put an eol on there. I know, there are plentyof other reasons, but that's one of them. Ric synrat wrote: I'm pretty sure there was a good reason for redhat to make life shorter for their releases. After all it is the only commercially successful distro. They wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot or in the head like that I'm positive they know what they're doing. No serious admin. would install redhat in the first place. Especially redhat 8, which can't even compile the kernel it ships with. Despite that, most American corporations will play along with Redhat, because in the end it still comes out much cheaper then dealing with Sun, SGI or HP and their unix headaches. They all do linux now anyway.. As for the rest of us there's Freebsd, Slackware, Gentoo or Debian, which are all here to stay even if the stock market seizes to exist. On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 05 March 2003 12:14 pm, J. Grant wrote: Hi Keith, Using HTTPS is much more secure than sending via post. I am also in the UK, I have never been the victim of online fraud. However before the net revolution some one did charge my CC and it was refunded. All online CC have a garentee against fraud just like anything else. MDK could support paypal etc, but I am sure that would still leave some one out CC is still the best option. I am pretty sure Deno set up a PayPal account for MandrakeSoft. It says to send payment to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this page http://www.linux-mandrake.com/donations/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] No reboot fixed--but why?
Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:29, Miark wrote: I have an old backup machine that doesn't reboot or powerdown in Linux, but yesterday I got the idea to try apm=off at bootup. The machine now reboots and powers down perfectly. I'd like to know why, but the only anomaly I noticed is that APM is disabled in the BIOS. If APM is disabled in the bios, does that mean you _must_ turn it off in Linux also to allow reboots and powerdowns to work? Or is that just a coincidence on my machine? Miark in theory it's coincidence, because ACPI's presence is supposed to force unload of the APM modules. However, something about your laptop could be making the APM stuff hang up? I've noticed the same on other systems (non-laptops). That is apm was running, they wouldn't shut down. But turning that off would fix the problem. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Todd; Thank you for the objective reply. I realize I've been on a tangent today. And it's mostly caused by outside influences. However, since the conversation is open: ;) Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tibbetts, Ric wrote on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 12:15:56PM -0500 : Mandrake on the other hand, insists on trying to match Redhats release schedule, but they're including major content changes in a point release, and they're beating themselves up trying to keep up. Mandrake releases X.0, X.1, X.2. Then it jumps to Y.0, Y.1, Y.2. It has nothing to do with point releases or version releases. Technically, they are ALL version releases. Which was exactly my point. The version point releases need to be just that. Point releases. Bug fixes, and security rapairs, etc. Not content changes. Leave the content changes to the major revision rolls. So, you are only dealing with a finite set of problems at a time. Then, you can dedicate a 6 month block of time to getting the bugs out of 9.0, to release 9.1, which is exactly that. A point release of 9.0. Once 9.x series is stable, THEN start developing the 10.x series. Put the new content in there. And spend the next couple of point releases bug fixing, and such to that. Yes, SOME content can be slipped in to a point release. But the core needs to remain fixed, so you can get it stable. Otherwise you're working around the clock, trying to track a zillion bugs, and interdependancy problems, as you keep changing the tires on the buggy while you're driving it. Again, that's just my humble opinion. But I've worked around enough development projects to know the drill. But I still see them making the same mistakes. Rushed releases, with too much content change to be controlable in such short cycles. They're Back around the time of 6.x, there was one CD for Main and one CD for Contrib. Now all of Main won't fit on three CD's, and Contrib is about the same. Which is again, exactly why you can't try to change ALL of it, EVERY release. IMHO, if there has been any one failure of Mandrake, it's been the inability to say No, we won't put that in Main. The attempt to be everything to everybody requires more manpower than we have, resulting in everybody pulling 60-80 hour weeks trying to get things to a cohesive point. See my point above. That could be remedied. Mandrake needs to address their project management, configuration management, and version control. You can do as much with far less effort with good management practices. Yup, I understand that they're trying to meet with a competitive market, and meet customer demands. But... The customer is ALWAYS going to want the latest greatest software, whether it's stable or not. And THEY WANT IT STABLE. Well, it can't always be done. Mandrake needs to learn when to say no. You're approaching it from a slightly different angle, but you arrive at nearly the same conclusion. The general feel about Mandrake around the people, and companies I work around is not good. If a Linux box is built, it's Redhat. Why? Stable releases, Stable company. Yes, in the US, RedHat is the brand that's known and that's what we're trying to address. And believe me Todd. I'm actually not just trying to attack. I was actually intending to offer suggestions that just might help. I've been running Mandrake for a couple of years now. And in all honesty, I will probably continue to do so. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Joe Braddock wrote: I didn't make the claim that Windows had better performance than Mandrake, I was responding to that claim. Actually, Windows 95 does perform quicker than Mandrake 9.0, but that's not a fair comparison (it also out performs Windows NT/2000/XP). A fair Windows vs Mandrake comparison would use Windows 2000 or XP and I don't believe either of those will out perform Mandrake on the same box. As for Windows requiring more than a pentium class machine, Microsoft says the minimum hardware for XP is a pentium (or K6 and some others) running at 300mhz. Now, does anyone really expect to run XP on that platform? No but that fact that it can run on that platform means it can't be optimized for the later Intel and AMD chips. Actually, I have XP running at home on a PII-333 My kids use it as their game machine. But my oldest is only 7. Their demands are low. :) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 attempt #2
We have similar machines. ;) I'm still running my old PII-400 as well. It's been a solid performer. For what I do, it still does the job just fine. Anyway. I should probably re-install, and give it one more for the Gipper... It did run the first time. I don't know why it wouln'd re-boot after that. It just hangs on Setting up Logical Volume Management. Maybe no one else is running LVM, and the problem has just gone unnoticed? I have some time today. Maybe I'll give it one more go around, and if it still doesn't work, I'll report it to bugzilla. As was said, If they don't know, they won't fix it. ;) Ric Ken Thompson wrote: On Sunday 23 February 2003 12:34 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Well, that was fun. Per the suggestions here, and on the errata, I unplugged the printer, and tried it again. And as expected, it made it past that. So, with the load finished, I logged in as a regular user. Yup. Worked fine. So, then do the cursory reboot, just to be sure all is well, and .. Klank.. klunk.. ppffft nada I dies on starting up logical volume management... It just hangs there. So, time to put a reliable system back on it. Maybe rc2. ;) Ric Ric, Here's what I've done to get it installed and running in a pretty stable mode: Pentium II 400 256MB RAM Matrox Millenium 400 Dual Head 32MB 17 Pixie Monitor setup as ADI MicroScan 17X Logitech USB wheel Mouse setup as generic USB wheel RTL-8139 NIC setup with DCHP to a smoothwall firewall and cable internet connection. 1)Expert install up untill the lock out in Summary. 2) Reboot into runlevel 3 and run drakconf to set up Xwindows, networking and KDE 3) add other items after login using either urpmi or MCC software installer. 4) Use printerdrake to set up cups. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 attempt #2
We have similar machines. ;) I'm still running my old PII-400 as well. It's been a solid performer. For what I do, it still does the job just fine. Anyway. I should probably re-install, and give it one more for the Gipper... It did run the first time. I don't know why it wouln'd re-boot after that. It just hangs on Setting up Logical Volume Management. Maybe no one else is running LVM, and the problem has just gone unnoticed? I have some time today. Maybe I'll give it one more go around, and if it still doesn't work, I'll report it to bugzilla. As was said, If they don't know, they won't fix it. ;) Ric Ken Thompson wrote: On Sunday 23 February 2003 12:34 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Well, that was fun. Per the suggestions here, and on the errata, I unplugged the printer, and tried it again. And as expected, it made it past that. So, with the load finished, I logged in as a regular user. Yup. Worked fine. So, then do the cursory reboot, just to be sure all is well, and .. Klank.. klunk.. ppffft nada I dies on starting up logical volume management... It just hangs there. So, time to put a reliable system back on it. Maybe rc2. ;) Ric Ric, Here's what I've done to get it installed and running in a pretty stable mode: Pentium II 400 256MB RAM Matrox Millenium 400 Dual Head 32MB 17 Pixie Monitor setup as ADI MicroScan 17X Logitech USB wheel Mouse setup as generic USB wheel RTL-8139 NIC setup with DCHP to a smoothwall firewall and cable internet connection. 1)Expert install up untill the lock out in Summary. 2) Reboot into runlevel 3 and run drakconf to set up Xwindows, networking and KDE 3) add other items after login using either urpmi or MCC software installer. 4) Use printerdrake to set up cups. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 attempt #2
David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 February 2003 12:32 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: We have similar machines. ;) I'm still running my old PII-400 as well. It's been a solid performer. For what I do, it still does the job just fine. Anyway. I should probably re-install, and give it one more for the Gipper... It did run the first time. I don't know why it wouln'd re-boot after that. It just hangs on Setting up Logical Volume Management. Maybe no one else is running LVM, and the problem has just gone unnoticed? I have some time today. Maybe I'll give it one more go around, and if it still doesn't work, I'll report it to bugzilla. As was said, If they don't know, they won't fix it. ;) It's worth the hassle, trust me : - ) Oh, I agree! Without feed-back, nothing would ever get fixed. I'll give it another run-through today. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 Take 3
Ok, re-loaded the box. Same result. On the first boot, all goes well. On the second boot, all goes to hell. It won't boot the second time. It fails (or more accurately hangs) at: Setting up Logical Volume Management. But here's the interesting part: The boot sequence at the time of the failure is: . . . Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode [ok] Setting up Logical Volume Management- Passes this one! vgchange -- volume group Rootvg already active - As is should be. Activating swap partitions: Finding module dependencies Starting up RAID devices - Huh? I don't have any! Setting up Logical Volume Management: - Again?!?! This one hangs. That's as far as it gets. I suppose I could re-load it (again), and look through the startup scripts while it's booted the first time, and find the culprit. But, I think this one needs to be a bugzilla report (guess it's time to sign up for an account). Tis broken. Tis repeatable. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 Take 3
Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 February 2003 03:48 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: That's as far as it gets. I suppose I could re-load it (again), and look through the startup scripts while it's booted the first time, and find the culprit. But, I think this one needs to be a bugzilla report (guess it's time to sign up for an account). I agree, get thyself to bugzilla henceforth and report. Yeah, ok, tried that. I went to submit the report. Filled out the form, and hit submit, and it sat... and sat, and sat... I killed it after some time. Does nothing at Mandrakesoft work right? Sheesh! Where do you go to submit a bug report about the bug report software? What a joke. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 Take 3
James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 19:29, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 February 2003 03:48 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: That's as far as it gets. I suppose I could re-load it (again), and look through the startup scripts while it's booted the first time, and find the culprit. But, I think this one needs to be a bugzilla report (guess it's time to sign up for an account). I agree, get thyself to bugzilla henceforth and report. Yeah, ok, tried that. I went to submit the report. Filled out the form, and hit submit, and it sat... and sat, and sat... I killed it after some time. Does nothing at Mandrakesoft work right? Sheesh! Where do you go to submit a bug report about the bug report software? What a joke. Ric U it's been working for me. Actually the answer to your question is Bugzilla *grin* Ric have you ever considered that the Linux gods have it out for you? However if it helps... the bug number is 2305 and it did get submitted. LOL The Linux Gods huh? Nah, Linux in general is pretty good to me. I just seem to having a problem with the Mandrake gods of late. Glad to hear the report submitted. I did in fact hit it twice. After it didn't do anything for a while the first time, I stopped it, and tried it again (I've known Mozilla to hang...). Obviously, the submittal worked, it was just a tad slow. The submittal report(s) have also since arrived. I need to leave the coffe alone. ;) Ah well, maybe rc2 will work for me. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 install failure
All; Thought I'd take a shot at 9.1 rc1. No go. The install went ok up to the end. At the summary stage, it was installing the printer, and died, horribly. It correctly identified the printer, then failed with the error: panic: swash_fetch When I hit ok, it went back to try to install the printer, resulting in the same error, etc... I tried re-loading it a couple times, with the same result. If I crashed it out of that, and rebooted the PC, it failed to boot fully, with a crash (didn't note the error message). Sigh... Ok, I'll try again at rc2 ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 install failure
Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 February 2003 07:50 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; Thought I'd take a shot at 9.1 rc1. No go. The install went ok up to the end. At the summary stage, it was installing the printer, and died, horribly. You obviously did not read the errata. http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=480mode=nocomments - -- Absolutely, totally correct. I did not read th errata. I just downloaded the isos, and tried to install it. My Bad. But, if the printers are broken, I'll wait for rc2. ;) Thanks for the responses. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 install failure
Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 22 February 2003 07:50 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; Thought I'd take a shot at 9.1 rc1. No go. The install went ok up to the end. At the summary stage, it was installing the printer, and died, horribly. You obviously did not read the errata. http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=480mode=nocomments But what the heck, I'll give it one more shot, with the printer turned off. Nothing to lose but a couple of hours. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 attempt #2
Well, that was fun. Per the suggestions here, and on the errata, I unplugged the printer, and tried it again. And as expected, it made it past that. So, with the load finished, I logged in as a regular user. Yup. Worked fine. So, then do the cursory reboot, just to be sure all is well, and .. Klank.. klunk.. ppffft nada I dies on starting up logical volume management... It just hangs there. So, time to put a reliable system back on it. Maybe rc2. ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
I just installed it today. First observations: 1) On install, I checked select individual packages , but it blew past that, and ran the install, minus a few packages I wanted to install 2) The cdrom mounting in /etc/fstab was wrong: Neither of my CD roms would mount. I had to change /etc/fstab from: /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,umask=0,exec 0 0 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom2 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,umask=0,exec 0 0 to: /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,umask=0,exec 0 0 /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,umask=0,exec 0 0 2) urpmi won't work. It complains that cdrom1 is not selected. 3) Evolution is still missing It's only been up a few minutes... Dunno much else about it yet. Seems ok.. But I need to find a way to install OpenOffice... It did not install originally. I deslected office workstation at install time, to save space. Also, I didn't want KOffice some of the junk. I was going to grab it under select individula packages.. But didn't get the chance. Ric Mark Weaver wrote: O my GOD! Mandrake 9.1beta3 installed without one single hitch, error, or problem of any sort. This is AWESOME! When it's finished it's going to be the best Mandrake version ever. Only thing I'm left wondering is what happened to the cute little mouse arrow that previously had a shadow and was much softer in appearance. Now it appears as the regular old dull cursor arrow. Whats up with that? :) Love this distro. I can't wait till the final comes out because I'm buying the powerpack with all the goodies. Excellent job Mandrake! EXCELLENT!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] password change script
7 systems is plenty for NIS. I've done it for as few as 3. Save yourself some headaches, put in NIS. It's easy! Ric Brian York wrote: Does anyone have or know of a script/program (preferably perl) that could be configured to change a users password on all linux machines on a network. I know a nis server would be better but we don't have enough linux machines yet to require one (only 7 linux servers). Thanks Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] password change script
Jan Wilson wrote: * Ric Tibbetts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030131 16:14]: 7 systems is plenty for NIS. I've done it for as few as 3. Save yourself some headaches, put in NIS. It's easy! Brian York wrote: Does anyone have or know of a script/program (preferably perl) that could be configured to change a users password on all linux machines on a network. I know a nis server would be better but we don't have enough linux machines yet to require one (only 7 linux servers). Or you could go the LDAP route. I'm trying to set that up right now, as I get the time. It's supposed to be lots better than NIS, after you get it all set up, although I'm not finding it the easiest thing to get my head around. LDAP has some security advantages over NIS, as well as some functional advantages. But it can be a bear to get your head around. If the original poster didn't want to put in NIS for 7 clients, they're certainly not going to want to attempt LDAP.. :) NIS is easy. JMHO Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1b2 observation/opinioin
snip | | | Oh come on! If we can't argue about it, what's the point? | *pokes* Come on! | *sticks his tongue out* Weirdo! | *throws a squeezy stress relieving computer shaped foam thing at you* | Let's argue? Plase? ;) | | I think 9.1b2 is looking good :) Azrael, I would have to agree with you. ;) Come on Ric!! - -- Mark LOL You guys are too much. I'll give it another whirl at the next release (RC1?). Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:30:30AM +0100, Martin Fahrendorf wrote: Content-Description: signed data Am Dienstag, 21. Januar 2003 02:58 schrieb bascule: i've been doing some reading with the intention of setting up a box to collect all my mail so that i can use imap to look at mail from any box and any os but i just thought of what for me could be a showstopper, i use the multiple identities feature of kmail a lot, mail is sorted into folders and identities associated, now maybe i could set up all my linux installs with kmailset up individualy but this seems to be missing the point, plus on win what? i have been assuming that fetchmail would be fetching mail from my isps, procmail would put it into mail folders on the server and some imap server would server them out to the lan, assuming i have this right is there a way to avoid find a client for each machine that supports the features of kmail and having to configure it seperately, is the only way to run kmail locally in an x session on the server and use vnc or something over the lan? bascule Forget K-Mail. It won't filter into imap folders. Go with either Mozilla Mail, or Evolution. Either one does an excelent job of filtering into imapp folders. I use this set up myself, so that I can always get to my mail, from any client, anywhere, and ALL my mail is there. I got tired of the POP thing a long time ago, when all my mail was on myh home desktop, and I was traveling with a laptop. IMAP is the way to go. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] hostname and postfix
Bascule; Check the settings in /etc/sysconfig/network. I've found differences in that file that will produce what you're seeing. Mine is set: HOSTNAME=aurora DOMAIN=mlb.esid.northgrum.com As such the hostname commands produce: $ hostname aurora $ hostname -f aurora.mlb.esid.northgrum.com $ hostname -d mlb.esid.northgrum.com Which is exactly as they should. It's very common to get this file wrong. The most common mistake I see is to set the fqdn as the hostname, and not enter the domain. This will cause some of the behaviour you're seeing. Cheers! Ric On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:13:40AM +, bascule wrote: further to this i've dicovered something interesting: on the box that was upgraded to 9.0 hostname works like this: $ hostname sigerson.excession $ hostname -f sigerson.excession $ hostname -d excession but on the clean 9.0 install it works like this: $ hostname mycroft $ hostname -f mycroft.excession $ hostname -d excession now clearly in both cases the system is aware of the fqdn since $ hostname -f produces it, but in the former example $ hostname also produces it. checking boot messages shows the the upgraded box says 'setting hostname: sigerson.excession' as it boots, while the fresh box shows 'setting hostname: mycroft' as it boots, i suspect this is related but as related in my previous posts i have specifed the hostname including domain to the system in all the ways i know how, incl all the ways i specified it to the upgraded system now postfix is working as i altered main.cf but there still seems to be something fishy here, who knows what else might be broken over the hostname issue? bascule On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 7:22 am, Martin Fahrendorf wrote: postfix calculates the domainname from your hostname. so a hostname like my.hostname.com results in a domainname hostname.com. if your hostname is simply my, there is no way to get the domain name. so either specify your hostname as bascule.excession or change the entries mydomain and myhostname in /etc/postfix/main.cf. -- `The best way to get a drink out of a Vogon is to stick your finger down his throat...' -- The Book, on one of the Vogon's social inadequacies. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:44:52AM -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: On Tue, January 21 2003 9:26 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: *snip* You can't possibly be suggesting to add filters directly into imap, for every user... If you had a system with 1000 users, and they had 20 filters each... That's hardly practical. That is why it *IS* the job of the client to do it's filtering. If it cannot do it properly, find a client that will, there are plenty out there. *snip* That's exactly what he is saying, and it is quite feasible. If your users want their mail filtered, they can set up their personal procmail settings in their own home directory, if they dont, then they dont have to. -- Chuck Burns, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Agreed. They can. IF they have 1) the access, and 2) the ability. Not everyone does. If I were to use the e-Mail address from my ISP for example, I would not be able to do that. I do not have access. I'd have to set up fetch mail on my Linux box, and get the mail from them, and filter it locally. That would only work for one box. What if I had 3 or 4 different laptops that I might carry around. Plus, need to access my mail from nearly any i-net attached client. I'd need to depend on the client to do the filtering. And indeed, many do it right. Mozilla Mail, Netscape Mail, Evolution, etc. If they can't I don't use them. It's that simple. If someone want's me to use their e-Mail client, it needs to properly support IMAP filtering. All the rest is just techno-geek toys. I, and my users, just want to read our mail. I'm not going to go to excessive measures on the servers make that happen. IMAP does the job exceedingly well, and it serves to any client, be it Linux, Mac, or Windows. I can check my mail from any client, anywhere in the world. As long as it properly supports IMAP filtering. People like to diss Netscape. But what other client is out there that properly supports IMAP filtering and will run on ANY OS?!? All that other stuff is just more stuff to go wrong, and more stuff to maintain. A straight up, out of the box IMAP server will exactly what I need it to do, with minimum fuss, and muss. Isn't that how this stuff is supposed to work? Ric ---==--- Involvement with people is always a very delicate thing -- it requires real maturity to become involved and not get all messed up. -- Bernard Cooke Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 05:44:38PM +0100, Martin Fahrendorf wrote: Content-Description: signed data Am Dienstag, 21. Januar 2003 17:08 schrieb Ric Tibbetts: On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:44:52AM -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: On Tue, January 21 2003 9:26 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: *snip* You can't possibly be suggesting to add filters directly into imap, for every user... If you had a system with 1000 users, and they had 20 filters each... That's hardly practical. That is why it *IS* the job of the client to do it's filtering. If it cannot do it properly, find a client that will, there are plenty out there. *snip* That's exactly what he is saying, and it is quite feasible. If your users want their mail filtered, they can set up their personal procmail settings in their own home directory, if they dont, then they dont have to. -- Chuck Burns, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Agreed. They can. IF they have 1) the access, and 2) the ability. Not everyone does. If I were to use the e-Mail address from my ISP for example, I would not be able to do that. I do not have access. I'd have to set up fetch mail on my Linux box, and get the mail from them, and filter it locally. That would only work for one box. What if I had 3 or 4 different laptops that I might carry around. Plus, need to access my mail from nearly any i-net attached client. I'd need to depend on the client to do the filtering. And indeed, many do it right. Mozilla Mail, Netscape Mail, Evolution, etc. If they can't I don't use them. It's that simple. If someone want's me to use their e-Mail client, it needs to properly support IMAP filtering. All the rest is just techno-geek toys. I, and my users, just want to read our mail. I'm not going to go to excessive measures on the servers make that happen. IMAP does the job exceedingly well, and it serves to any client, be it Linux, Mac, or Windows. I can check my mail from any client, anywhere in the world. As long as it properly supports IMAP filtering. People like to diss Netscape. But what other client is out there that properly supports IMAP filtering and will run on ANY OS?!? All that other stuff is just more stuff to go wrong, and more stuff to maintain. A straight up, out of the box IMAP server will exactly what I need it to do, with minimum fuss, and muss. Isn't that how this stuff is supposed to work? Ric Hi Ric, think a little bit different. Naturally, you can and should be able to use the filter from your mozilla, netscape and others. But think of users who want to use their web-Mail frontend sometimes and don't want to have all the Mails for the mailinglists. Yes, of course, this is only usefull, if the user has acces to the filter (with procmail you have to get a real accout, with cyrus you can use sieve (build in) and with courier you can use the filter build in maildrop). The best is to get both. Martin And thus brings us to the greatest strength of any *nix. There's always more than one way to get a job done. So you can taylor the solution to the requirement. ;) It's really up to the individual to know their requirement, and then find the solution that's right for them. Cheers Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] O Yyyyyyyyyyummy!!
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 10:42:37AM -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:40:48 -0600 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday January 18 2003 05:16 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Mandrake 9.1beta2 is out...Just in case no one else knew. Just found it on one of the french servers. Ooo! I feel like a little kid at Christmas. :) This'll help me feel better after taking that beating yesterday. Did ya notice it's two 650mb iso's? I suspect 9.1 will stay on 650's from now on. I also suspect we'll still have the same percentage of people sayin the iso's won't boot, or won't install (ie, the no-700mb iso's crowd) ;- I have always used 650 successfully; even when the md5sums didn't match due to CD padding... BTW, did no-one notice that RH8.0 is *5* ISOs? It's 5 iso's. But 2-1/2 of them are source. You only need the first 3 to do an install. Ric PS: Heard a rumor that RH 8.0 beta 1 is out... Just a rumor, I've not gone looking for it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CD Burners
All; Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm feeling confident now that I can pretty much get what's on sale, and it will probably work. Although, I will probably stick with a name brand, just for my own piece of mind. Ric On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 09:16:23PM -0800, Michael Noble wrote: I have used LiteOn and Sony IDE both went in without any problems. The system sees them as scsi devices. Mike On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 08:00, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; I'm going to put a new (IDE) CD Burner in my PC (Mdk 9.0). Any suggestions on a good one, that is known to have good compatability, and ease of install? Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Michael Noble mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] CD Burners
All; I'm going to put a new (IDE) CD Burner in my PC (Mdk 9.0). Any suggestions on a good one, that is known to have good compatability, and ease of install? Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CD Burners
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 11:04:28AM -0500, et wrote: On Friday 17 January 2003 11:00 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; I'm going to put a new (IDE) CD Burner in my PC (Mdk 9.0). Any suggestions on a good one, that is known to have good compatability, and ease of install? Thanks! Ric they all work about the same IMHO Thanks ET! No strong compatability, reliability, installtion issues to watch for? I've installed SCSI burners before, and they just dropped in, and worked. I guess I'm hoping for the same from and IDE. (I've always installed Yamahas in the past.. Been stable performers, never given me any trouble..). I'll see what I can find locally. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] evolution 1.2
How did you install Evolution 1.2? (Redcarpet, or ...?) I'd like to take a look at it, but I'm not sure I want to do it via RedCarpet.. Thanks! Ric Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aaron Matteson wrote on Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 02:02:21PM -0800 : Tools menu - Settings Option - Mail Accounts - Choose Your Account - Edit - Identity Tab - Optional Information @ Bottom - Default Signature Aaron, do you think you could upload your public key to wwwkeys.us.pgp.net and/or www.keyserver.net? Blue skies... Todd - -- ...and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy my binaries, and you will know my name is root, when I lay my vengeance upon thee. Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.20-2mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JfM0lp7v05cW2woRAt1bAJ4s3wrZixwZnPGMJMTpJIxk3mjuGgCeIzU2 66Q6KSo+yOGJK8UadqPDY1M= =tsqx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]STOP the presses!! WAS: And the fun continues (it's deadagain)
Derek Simkowiak wrote: I'm getting these. I'm using my work address for this discussion. I agree that port 25 is dead. The question is: Why How? I haven't been following this thread, so I apologize if this is out of context, but could it be the Shorewall firewall causing a problem? --Derek Thanks for the reply. But I got this solved. It was a postfix problem. In setting it up to do spam filterning, it became corrupt... To fix it, I totally uninstalled postfix, then cleaned out the config directory, and re-installed. Without postfix, there is nothing to listen to port 25. The port wasn't closed... there was just nothing holding it open. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] evolution 1.2
Thanks! I'll have a look at that. I'm not quite ready to install 9.1b yet... Ric David Robertson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:47:22 -0500 Ric Tibbetts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you install Evolution 1.2? (Redcarpet, or ...?) I'd like to take a look at it, but I'm not sure I want to do it via RedCarpet.. Thanks! Ric 1.2 is available from texstar - you can add it to your software sources (and others) by visiting http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/ David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] rpmdrake: cannot open archive file /var/lib/urpmi/hdlist.main.cz
Subject says it. I cannot update an 8.1 box. When I try, it just comes back with no list, and I get the (subject) error on the command line. MandrakeUpdate used to work on this box. But something has happened to it. Any suggestions on how to repair the damage would be appreciated. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CD Burners
snip Just a little note, Mandrake generally does not install does not setup the CD-writer automatically on a current system running Mandrake system.. (It does setup the CD-writer if you reinstall your Mandrake, but that's not necessary)The Instructions on http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/hardware/hremov3.html#cdrw will help you with the install your CD on a running system.. Cheers Mark.. Ah... Just the kind of info I was hoping to get. Saved me a lot of frustration there. Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Anybody Home?
It got awfully quiet. Are my spam filters choking the list, or is it just a really quiet night? Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] friggin test message
Mark; That made it! But, the list has been really quiet! It's not you! Ric Mark Weaver wrote: cause nuttin is getting through...I'm gonna shoot dis damn thing! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Spam Filtering with postfix
Thanks; I may take a look at that later. Right now, I'd just have to consider it yet another piece of software to keep track of. If I can get an acceptable result out of postfix, I'm better off. After being down all day yesterday, I'm not too excited about adding anything to that server. Just a little more tweaking, and my filters are doing ok. I still need to chase the occational spammer that sneakes through, but that's part of the fun. ;) Ric On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 10:23:51AM +0300, David Whiting wrote: Have you taken a look at the Eric Raymond's implementation of a Bayesian statsistics spam filter (based on an idea by Paul Graham)? This way you don't have to build up the rules, instead they get built on the characteristics of good mail versus spam mail. I have heard good reports about it, but have not (yet) installed it myself. http://sourceforge.net/projects/bogofilter/ Dave At the moment, I'm still a bit tight on the filters. I'm only getting about 25% of the mail from this list! And I'm losing some personal mail. I need to work out an exceptions list. Like a way to say: All mail from msn.com, except mail from certain user@msn.com Should be a way Need to dig. -- Dave Whiting Dar es Salaam, Tanzania Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Spam Filtering with postfix
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 11:33:51AM -0500, Mark Weaver wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: Thanks; I may take a look at that later. Right now, I'd just have to consider it yet another piece of software to keep track of. If I can get an acceptable result out of postfix, I'm better off. After being down all day yesterday, I'm not too excited about adding anything to that server. Just a little more tweaking, and my filters are doing ok. I still need to chase the occational spammer that sneakes through, but that's part of the fun. ;) Ric hey Ric! glad to see you're back in game. It was one hell of a struggle, but you made it! :) good man! -- Mark heh heh.. Thanks Mark! It was one of those days that you don't look back on fondly. lottsa hair pulling, and cursing going on. ;) It's all patched up now, and running clean. I'm of course, still tweaking the filters, but much more carefully now (one change at a time...). As a side benefit, I got an update for both postfix, and mutt out of the deal. ;) Now.. I just need to tip-toe around that machine until March... Just be very nice to it for 6 more weeks... Then it's toast. I'm going to tear it down, and rebuild it. It's been causing too many problems lately. Maybe 9.1 will be out by then.. ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Spam Filtering with postfix
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 11:50:32AM -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:57:18 -0500 Tibbetts, Ric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Weaver wrote: On Tuesday 14 January 2003 09:59 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: All; Ok, I've had enough spam for one lifetime.. ;) I'm trying to get postfix to start filtering spam. It will. What I've added so far is: (from the relevant section of main.cf) # # SPAM FILTER SECTION STARTS # # Look more info about spam filtering options at # http://www.postfix.org/uce.html # # Open Relay Database filtering, look more info at # http://www.ordb.org/ # # Comments and improvements are welcome. # maps_rbl_domains = blackholes.mail-abuse.org, relays.ordb.org, blackholes.wirehub.net, relays.osirusoft.com, blackholes.five-ten-sg.com disable_vrfy_command = yes smtpd_helo_required = yes strict_rfc821_envelopes = yes smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/good_recipient.map, reject_unauth_pipelining, reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_maps_rbl, reject_unknown_client, reject_unknown_hostname, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, permit /etc/postfix/good_recipient.map: abuse@ hostmaster@ postmaster@ @$mydomain # --- The problem with the above: Now mail has either become incredibly slow, or nothing is getting through. So I've gone amis somewhere. Can anyone shed some llight on this? I want to be sure that all real local receipients still get their mail, but the spam gets filtered. Thank you!! Ric Hi Ric, Check things out on this site for setting up Postfix. Pierre has really got it going on when it comes to setting up Postfix for doing things correctly. http://pfortin.com/Linux/PostFix/ Mark Thanks Mark, I'll have a look. Currently, my filter seems to be an inverse filter. I'm NOT getting the mail I want, but the spam is flowing freely.. lol. I did notice that Pierre references the same sites I've been using. I've just got a bug in the above (I've already made a few changes to the above). And.. you can't catch it all. Some spam is going to get through no matter what. Ric Between a day travelling and my wife insisting on absconding with me for my birthday, I missed all your fun... Something that may not be obvious on my pages is that I get a msg from postfix for *every* mail rejection... while this sounds bad at first glance, it helps in various ways... I use the info to: - report some sites to ORDB - add rejects to postfix - whitelist some sites that just won't fix their DNS - completely block some sites via iptables - etc. The volume of such reject messages is quite low now... so it was well worth my time to develop those lists over time... this is config'ed in main.cf: # Notifying postmaster notify_classes = resource software policy The most important thing to do when mail stops coming in after making changes to postfix config files is watch the logs... some config errors are only noticed when mail actually comes in (generate incoming mail if you can, or be prepared to wait). The stuff on my postfix page is not completely up-to-date; but you can see my recent configs via the links at the bottom of the page. HTH, Pierre Greetings Pierre! Yeah, you missed the show yesterday. I was having a record bad day. lol But it turned out well. It's all pieced back together now. I've been using the logs you referenced. They're coming out in /var/log/mail/info. It references all the mail. I weed through it, and, like you, use the info to stop good mail from getting filtered, and catching the bad stuff that sneaks through. Eventually, it should go into low maintenance mode. But since it's new, I'm watching it very closely. I'm really pleased that postfix has the ability to do this. It's a great feature, that I didn't know existed. One thing I did change from the bit posted above: I took out reject_unknown_hostname. It was rejecting way too much mail! Even a lot of good mail. Seems that a lot of mail originates from within an intranet where the hostname is not known to the internet at large. Removing that, only allowed a small amount of spam to leak through, and I've been able to either filter that locally, or report it, so it's not a big deal. I just re-read your message, and checked my main.cf. YOu're talking about it actively mailing you for each
Re: [expert] Spam Filtering with postfix
James; Thanks! It was a bloody victory, but a victory all the same. :) As to the system: Yeah., the rebuild will be in person. Which is why it's going to wait until March when I'll be in Seattle next. I'm not too concerned with the power supply. In this case, the inital damage was cause by a power outage. The rest has just been continued symptoms of that. This last time (yesterday) I suspect was my fault. I was messing with the postfix spam filters, and all he(ck) broke loose. I bumped something that I shouldn't have. What was frustrating was that postfix wasn't issuing errors, so I didn't know where to look. So I finally grabbed a bigger hammer. ;0 CPU Fams. Probably a good idea. Right now, it has none. Just fins on both of them, with a case fan, and a duct. They get cooled, but not as well as they could. One problem: The system has 2 CPUs, but the mobo only has one sux power connector. So I'll need to find (make) a Y adapter to power two fans (which is why it has fins now...). I may look into some of that while I'm there. It depends on how much time I have. Ric On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 09:41:51AM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: Ric, If the teardown/rebuild is in person I'd recommend 2 things. 1. Check the quality of output from the power supply... with the amount of data corruptions you've been getting I'd begin to suspect it. 2. Just as a matter of course replace the fan on the cpu... I'm developing the habit of making it an annual thing for my boxes (personal). James 3. Congrats on the success!!! On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 09:16, Ric Tibbetts wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 11:33:51AM -0500, Mark Weaver wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: Thanks; I may take a look at that later. Right now, I'd just have to consider it yet another piece of software to keep track of. If I can get an acceptable result out of postfix, I'm better off. After being down all day yesterday, I'm not too excited about adding anything to that server. Just a little more tweaking, and my filters are doing ok. I still need to chase the occational spammer that sneakes through, but that's part of the fun. ;) Ric hey Ric! glad to see you're back in game. It was one hell of a struggle, but you made it! :) good man! -- Mark heh heh.. Thanks Mark! It was one of those days that you don't look back on fondly. lottsa hair pulling, and cursing going on. ;) It's all patched up now, and running clean. I'm of course, still tweaking the filters, but much more carefully now (one change at a time...). As a side benefit, I got an update for both postfix, and mutt out of the deal. ;) Now.. I just need to tip-toe around that machine until March... Just be very nice to it for 6 more weeks... Then it's toast. I'm going to tear it down, and rebuild it. It's been causing too many problems lately. Maybe 9.1 will be out by then.. ;) Ric __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]STOP the presses!! WAS: And the fun continues (it's d ead again)
This is a multi-part message in MIME format... On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:53:44 -0500, you wrote: I'm getting these. I'm using my work address for this discussion. I agree that port 25 is dead. The question is: Why How? The line in /etc/services is fine. It's uncommented. smtp IS included in bastille-firewall.cfg postfix is running. I have no clue as to what closed that port! And I've rebooted a couple of times. So what ever is doing it, is persistant! BTW: I can get messages out. Just not in. Ric Hi Ric, Is port 25 blocked by the isp, some isp's block port 25 incoming to the user on home accounts to stop people running mail servers. Can you borrow a old box from work and load a text only Mdk on it and leave the box wide open, then moved your mail setting to it to see if that works. If that works then move your firewall to it to see if that works. A process of elimination will eventually find it. Gary. Thanks Gary; I checked with my ISP on that. I've been running that server for a couple of years now. And if they blocked 25, it would block it for every one, and they don't. I now suspect that I've induced an error into my postfix configuration files. It was all working this morning, then I was tweaking those files, and it broke. (I stepped away for a little while to calm down.. and it started looking much clearer). If I could get ahold of Mark Weaver, he has a copy of my files as of last night (when they were working). Mark, if you're out there, semd 'em back!!! Thanks! -- Ric Tibbetts ISOMEDIA.COM - Premium Internet Services. http://www.isomedia.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] It's up!
My mail server is back up. To fix it, I totally uninstalled postfix, and mutt (had to uninstall mutt to satisfy a dependency). Then I cleaned out /etc/postfix, and did a clean install, then laid my config files back in. It's up now (in fact, I 'm sending this on it). I still have no clear idea what went awry. Only that postfix became irretrievably corrupt. I'm going to go plug in my X-Box now, and blow things up! Again, to all who assisted today, and a special thanks to Mark Weaver for hanging in with me all day: THANK YOU!!! This is the greatest list in the world! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Test
Ignore this! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Test
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:43:55AM -0800, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Ignore this! Sorry about the test. I was checking the mutt config. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Test
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 11:30:29AM -0800, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ric Tibbetts wrote on Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:45:38AM -0800 : Sorry about the test. I was checking the mutt config. Couple of resources concerning mutt if you're interested: 1) http://www.cerritoslug.org/tutorials/mutt.html Read the stuff that you're interested in. 2) http://downloads.mrball.net/Mandrake/9.0/RPMS I make CVS snapshots occassionally (currently at 1.5.3) and put them up for download. If you happen to be running Cooker, download the SRPM instead and recompile it. Blue skies... Todd Thanks Todd! I'm just playing with it at the moment. I only use it when I'm accessing this e-Mail account remotely. But I've been using it just enough that I got tired of the default behaviours. :) Now I'm down to fiddling with such useful things as the colors. It's made a bit more fun, because I'm ssh'd into that mail account. So the colors get a little unpredictable. I'll look into updating it though. I'm on one of my older servers, and it's still at MDK 8.1, with Mutt 1.4.something.. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 impressions on expert
On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 11:28, Jack Coates wrote: Steffen Barszus wrote: Hi! 9.1 is the upcoming release and good you are testing it, but reporting here on expert is not the right place it should be done : in case all is good: on cooker in case there are drawbacks/bugs: on bugzilla (and allways do a search if the problem was reported before) Its just a bit OT here on expert I disagree, and would furthermore consolidate the Mandrake lists into -user, -club and -devel if I had the power. Broader discussions in central locations are of far greater power and searchability -- for examples, you need look no farther than LKML or Bugtraq. Where would the user of Mandrake be without Google's ability to search archives of all the mailing lists and all the forums from a single interface? I agree with Jack. This is a great place for discussing it. What I'm seeing here is not so much a list of bug reports, but rather useability reports, and observations. It's a great spot for that, so that all of us that may be interested in trying it out, can discuss its strengths weaknesses. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 beta 1 first impressions
On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 13:48, Mark Weaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 12 January 2003 01:34 pm, Tom Brinkman scribbled incoherently: On Sunday January 12 2003 10:15 am, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: On Sunday 12 January 2003 10:55 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: I've been using 9.1 since cooker unfroze shortly after 9.0's release. It's been solid all along ... on ReiserFS. From what I understand 9.1b1 (due to the 2.4.21 kernel) lacks support for XFS What's up with this? Anyone know why XFS support is lacking? Is it a technical or political decision? My system is 100% XFS so I could really stand to know - this prevents me from even considering upgrading kernels. praedor Don't know. IIUC, the XFS modules are missing from the recent 2.4.21 kernels, not just Mandrakes. Tho I've tried XFS in the past, I've always ended up going back to ReiserFS. which reminds me...Tom, has there been an unerase recovery tool released for ReiserFS yet. Thats the only thing stopping me at the moment from going back to ReiserFS. I love that file system, but there have been a few times that I've needed to recover something, and if I hadn't been running ext2 I wouldn't have been able to retrieve it from the bad place of no return. - -- Mark Mark; Not meaning to sound like a smart a** here. But the best, most reliable unerase system I've found, that is fully transportable across all platforms, is a good backup system. There's just no making up for it. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] msec madness continues
On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 21:36, Mark Weaver wrote: On Sunday 12 January 2003 09:25 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled incoherently: Hi Ric, The very first thing I'd do is turn PS completely off. Better yet...just take the little bugger outa there cause in the long run that app is more trouble at times then it's worth. Once that thing isn't present to muck up the works you may have an easier time debugging the situation. I was running into that for a while some time back and got so sick of PS doing that very thing to me I just took it out. I've not been having any troubles like it since. And I'm still able to keep track of connections to the box just as well. It just gets done a little differently now. -- Mark Hi Mark; Thank you for the reply. Ok, I just shut off portsentry (service portsentry stop). Bastille-firewall is still running. (I'm open to suggestions on better firewalls... Been running Bastille for a while now. Never had any problems in the past. But this one is hair puller.. Ok, so after shutting down portsentry, I still can't get my e-Mail. I get a Failure to connect to server error at the client end. Nothing in the logs on the server. imap is listed in the Bastille config file. But the port seems blocked. If it's not bastille, what is it? Ric Ok...just to make sure, do a restart on both the Postfix service and the xinetd service to ensure they're running. This is usually the #1 cause of that particular error message when trying to connect to the imap service. It goes without saying that you've already got port 143 open for imap connections since you were connecting in that manner before. I too use Bastille, and haven't had any troubles with it. If you're still unable to connect just give a holler cause there's something tickling at the back of my neck for this, but I just can't put my finger on it. I'm sure though as we go through this it'll come to me. -- Mark Ok, I got it. The server even survived a reboot. I just had to piece the run levels back together. All seems well now. Thank you for the jump start. I'd been staring at it so long, I'd lost my perspective. ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Continued Problems Solved
After much head scratching, and digging, I think (hope) that I've found all the gremlins that infected that server. Thank you for all the suggestions. They all helped! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Who Broke Sort?
Ok, it's been a long time since I've needed to do this, and maybe I just forgot how. But: To sort out duplicate lines in a text file, didn't sort -u do the trick? Or am I getting fuzzy old? I have a large text file that I receive on a regular basis ( a couple times a week). I need to clean it up for import into a database. I'm stuck on getting duplicate lines out. I swear, I just used to use sort -n, but that isn't working now. Can someone shed a little light on how to do this? Thanks in advance Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Who Broke Sort?
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 19:06, David Relson wrote: At 06:50 PM 9/5/02, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Ok, it's been a long time since I've needed to do this, and maybe I just forgot how. But: To sort out duplicate lines in a text file, didn't sort -u do the trick? Or am I getting fuzzy old? I have a large text file that I receive on a regular basis ( a couple times a week). I need to clean it up for import into a database. I'm stuck on getting duplicate lines out. I swear, I just used to use sort -n, but that isn't working now. Can someone shed a little light on how to do this? Thanks in advance Ric man sort will show you what the -n option does. To remove duplicates, you can do sort in.file | uniq out.file or sort -u in.file out.file. Yep, exactly as I remembered it. But -u didn't seem to be working. It turned out to be a very minor difference in the lines, in a very large file. The first two places I looked were man sort, and info sort. Both said that -u should work. I suspect that it does. The fault may have been mine on this one. Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OT: mysql problem
Ok, since I'm on a roll with the off topic dumb questions today. I have another one. I am just starting to work with mysql. It was going ok, until the daemon died. I have no idea what caused it, but it won't restart. The log file gives the error: 020905 20:03:48 mysqld started 020905 20:03:48 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist 020905 20:03:48 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown 020905 20:03:48 mysqld ended That particular table never did exist. In fact, the default databse of mysql never did exist. But all the sudden, the daemon won't run without it. I'm sure something simple happened to cause this. Can anyone shine a light on it for me? I've been digging through the documentation, but so far, I can't come up with anything. I'd sure appreciate any advice! Thanks!! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: mysql problem
Update: I did some more digging, and found: ./bin/mysql_install_db The documentation indicated that it was safe to run if the mysql database was missing (as would be the case with a new installation). So I ran it, and it created the mysql database. So now the error I get is: 020905 21:05:04 mysqld started 020905 21:05:04 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Can't find file: './mysql/host.frm' (errno: 13) 020905 21:05:04 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown 020905 21:05:04 mysqld ended Closer. But still not running. I still don't understand why it stopped in the first place. It was running fine. Then, right between queries, it just died. BTW: It's running on Mandrake 8.2 STill hoping for an answer. :) Ok, I know, it's the middle of the night... Thanks. Ric On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 23:11, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Ok, since I'm on a roll with the off topic dumb questions today. I have another one. I am just starting to work with mysql. It was going ok, until the daemon died. I have no idea what caused it, but it won't restart. The log file gives the error: 020905 20:03:48 mysqld started 020905 20:03:48 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist 020905 20:03:48 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown 020905 20:03:48 mysqld ended That particular table never did exist. In fact, the default databse of mysql never did exist. But all the sudden, the daemon won't run without it. I'm sure something simple happened to cause this. Can anyone shine a light on it for me? I've been digging through the documentation, but so far, I can't come up with anything. I'd sure appreciate any advice! Thanks!! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: mysql problem
Ok, it's running. What I did: When I ran mysql_install_db, I did it as root. So it created the mysql database (the privliges database) owned by root. I changed the ownership to mysql, and all works now. So... It runs now. But I still don't know why all the sudden it died like it did. Ric On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 23:11, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Ok, since I'm on a roll with the off topic dumb questions today. I have another one. I am just starting to work with mysql. It was going ok, until the daemon died. I have no idea what caused it, but it won't restart. The log file gives the error: 020905 20:03:48 mysqld started 020905 20:03:48 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist 020905 20:03:48 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown 020905 20:03:48 mysqld ended That particular table never did exist. In fact, the default databse of mysql never did exist. But all the sudden, the daemon won't run without it. I'm sure something simple happened to cause this. Can anyone shine a light on it for me? I've been digging through the documentation, but so far, I can't come up with anything. I'd sure appreciate any advice! Thanks!! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OT: PDA Question
All; Ok, this is WAAAY off topic, but I figured that if anyone in the world would have an opinion on this, it would you you. ;) I've finally hit the point that I can't remember everything. I need a portable way to carry information around with me. In short, I need a PDA (gasp.. sob... I never thought I'd come to this...). I've been looking around, and there's about a half million of them out there. I'd sure appreciated any suggestions on which are good, and which are just fodder. I found one at Office Depot called Zarus. It run on Linux (cool!). The software that was on it looked good, but how does it compare to some of the more mainstream PDA? Should I just stick with a Palm? Any input will be gratefully accepted. I'm really just starting this search, and I've never paid any attention to them in the past, so it's all new territory. Thanks in advance! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] PHP vs MYSQL
Well, I guess it had to happen. If you hang around this stuff long enough, eventually you're going to need a database. I know, this may be a really subjective question, but what's the comparison between php mysql? Is one better/worse, easier/harder than the other? Or are they just different? Does one have strengths/weaknesses over/under the other? Or are they both good, but designed to do two different jobs? This is probably all documented somewhere. Maybe some kind soul could point me at a site somewhere, and I could just study all this myself. ;) Thanks! As always, any pointers are greatly appreciated. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PHP vs MYSQL
Yeah, Sorry, my fingers typed that before my brain caught up with them. Ric On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 09:48, Seppo Järvinen wrote: PHP is a scripting language not a database MYSQL is a database not a language if you want to make db based websites you're going to need both unless you use something else for the site scripting (Perl) On 28 Jul 2002, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Well, I guess it had to happen. If you hang around this stuff long enough, eventually you're going to need a database. I know, this may be a really subjective question, but what's the comparison between php mysql? Is one better/worse, easier/harder than the other? Or are they just different? Does one have strengths/weaknesses over/under the other? Or are they both good, but designed to do two different jobs? This is probably all documented somewhere. Maybe some kind soul could point me at a site somewhere, and I could just study all this myself. ;) Thanks! As always, any pointers are greatly appreciated. Ric -- Seppo Jarvinen , [EMAIL PROTECTED]Never trust an operating system GSM+SMS +358 50 340 7350 you don't have sources for. GSM+SMS +358 40 568 1756 You never know what you're facing Power the World, With Linux! unless you dare to LOOK AT IT. Technology lies on the leading edge Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Testing - Can't get messages on the list.
Praedor Tempus wrote: On Thursday 06 June 2002 08:27 pm, J. Craig Woods wrote: On Thursday 06 June 2002 11:42, you wrote: Testing. I've not had much luck getting messages to post for some reason. Just testing to see if this one makes it. Ric Are ya'll getting bounced mails or delivery failures? I run postfix and was unable to post for a while. Postfix would give me mail delivery failures and lots of Unable to send for the last 4 hours, still trying messages. I don't get any messages at all. The e-Mail just doesn't show up on the list... Kind of dissapears into the twilight zone, and is never heard from again. My problem appeared/appears to be a two-fold problem. First, my domain wasn't acceptable to the mandrake (or kde) mailservers - a dns problem that I fixed. Second, it depends on which ISP I use. Purdue doesn't give a rat's that I have my own mailserver. That mail gets through fine. ISPWest, my alternate (under testing), doesn't like it, so it seems, since my mails posted through a connection to them fails. I have been noticing that some messages don't make it from either my home address, or my work address. It's indescriminate as to where I send it from. Thus confirming my suspision that the problem is originating on the Mandrake side. 1. What is different about the way you post messages that ARE getting through vs those that aren't? Nothing. I've sent copies of e-Mail that didn't make it the first time, and they show up the second. 2. Are you sure your domain/name is fully and properly setup? Oh yeah. I've been having some strange occurances on my home domain lately, but I find that I have more failed messages from work, than from home. 3. Your ISP isn't a butthead about mailservers being run on client systems? Again, in my case, it's not limited to just my home address. Let's face it.. It's on the Mandrake side. It's happening to a lot of people. -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] X Access Problem
Ok, if it's msec, then it's extremely inconsistent. I just checked my home box. It was built from the same CDs as the one I just built today at work. Both systems were built from the same CDs. Both systems are running msec level 2 X works normally on one (I can log into a remote machine, and export the display back to the workstation, and it works fine). X does not work normally on the one at work. If I telnet to another box, and export the display back, it is refused. Further, if I drop to a VC, and try to X -query to another box, X is refused. It acts like a security issue. But if msec is behind it, it's not causing the same behaviour on a nearly identical box at home. So... It's something else? This is frustrating! Ric On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 16:23, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: msec... Level 1 or above, and only localhost can access X -=SPLAT=- I just got hit with a BFO (Blind Flash of the Obvious). Thanks, I needed that! -Original Message- From: et [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] X Access Problem MSEC? level 3 or above? man msec says this: You must be root to run msec . Launch msec x to set you security level to x (x=[0-5]). It'll modify your system according to security level x features. For a fine description of each security level, consult the documentation under /usr/share/doc/msec-0.19/security.txt. If you want to make changes to the current level, use /etc/security/msec/perm.local to override the permis sions/owners/groups and /etc/security/msec/level.local to override the rules (see mseclib(3) for details). FILES /usr/sbin/msec The msec executable (sh script) /var/lib/msec/security.conf Contains the configuration of the current active security level. These settings can be overridden in /etc/secu rity/msec/security.conf. AUTHOR Vandoorselaere Yoann, Mandrakesoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 06 June 2002 03:37 pm, you wrote: I've tried the below. It's stranger than that. If I drop to a VC, and try X -query remotehost -once :1 It fails with the error that it cannot open display. (nothing to be exported on that one.). There's no firewall running. It has to be an X permissions thing. It's just not allowing remote hosts to use the display. I just can't find it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:37 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [expert] X Access Problem On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Ok, this one is probably really obvious. But I'm in a really stupid state today, and can't see it I just loaded a fresh install of 8.2 on a box. I also loaded KDE 3. Everything seems to be going good, except: When I telnet to another box, and export the display back, it gets refused (yes, I ran xhost on the box first). I also cannot X -query to another host, because of the same problem. Ok, so it's a built in security issue. Looks like X is turned off for remote A few things that you might check: Is there a firewall running on either of the machines? If so, either allow the ports (IIRC, 6000) or if possible, disable the firewalling temporarily. Is name resolution working correctly between both machines? I.e., either have the entries in the hosts files or setup DNS. On a similar note, try disabling access control completely on the local machine with: xhost + then try running the app again. If it works, lock everything out with: xhost - then specifically allow the remote host. Are you exporting to the correct display? You might also try using an SSH session instead, since this may get around any blocked ports. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Testing - Can't get messages on the list.
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 12:59, s wrote: On Thursday 06 June 2002 11:52 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Looks like this one made it. Now I'll try the one that counts (the one with the question in it). Ric Yeah, the test ones always make it. :D Don't feel like the lone ranger, 2/3 of mine never make it either. shrugs -s It adds an interesting level to the degree of frustration. Just when things are breaking, and you've already beat your head against the keyboard trying fix it.. You finally give in and ask for help... And you can't get the message onto the list... LOL Gotta laugh, or you'd throw the silly thing out the window, and go outside, and lay in the grass on a sunny day... Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] msec changes Mailman perms
I'm not sure of the exact file, since I'm not running a mailing list, and don't have a /home/mailman. However, if I were you, I'd look at the msec config files in /usr/share/msec Just a thought. I may be wrong. Ric On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 08:49, Albert E. Whale wrote: I'm using LM 8.2 (new install), and running several mailing list. At msec 3 4 I am continually having to reset the /home/mailman perms back to 02775. Does anyone have a suggestion on how I can stop the madness? -- Albert E. Whale - CISSP http://www.abs-comptech.com -- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer Networking Specialists Sr. Security, Network, and Systems Consultant Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Apache SERVER_NAME quick Q
On mine, I have a server with multiple hostnames. So Apache was getting soem strange results. I set mine in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf (on LM 8.1). The setting is near the top, and is commented out by default. I uncomment it, and put the hostname I want in the ServerName entry. Like so: ServerName www.mydomain.net Then it picks up that entry, and not the name assigned to the NIC. Dunno if that helps you or not. But it solved my problem. David Rankin wrote: Well, I should have been more clear, and maybe the problem isn't as simple as I thought. On my 7.2 box, #ServerName your.server.name is still commented out, but apache is able to use gethostbyname() and correctly fill in the welcome screen in apache. In 8.2, something is fishy. [Skyline] # hostname Skyline.3111Skyline.com That looks OK [Skyline] # hostname --fqdn Unknown host That looks bad So it seems the problem with apache isn't with apache or httpd.conf, but rather with my hostname setup. I have set hostname and domainname, and I can't figure out why hostname --fqdn would return unknown host? What config file am I failing to check? /etc/sysconfig/network has the right hostname. Gary Dunn wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 06:29, David Rankin wrote: Just a quick Q, because I'm suffering from a mental lapse. I'm getting Apache configured on 8.2. The SERVER_NAME variable in the default Welcome screen is pulling 127.0.0.1 instead of the actual host name. Hostname is working fine. Where do I look to get this fixed. You definitely need to edit httpd.conf, which may be located in /usr/local/apache/conf depending on how your system is set up. (My apache is on a FreeBSD box, which puts it in /usr/local/etc/apache.) Look for this: # ServerName allows you to set a host name which is sent back to clients for # your server if it's different than the one the program would get (i.e., use # www instead of the host's real name). # # Note: You cannot just invent host names and hope they work. The name you # define here must be a valid DNS name for your host. If you don't understand # this, ask your network administrator. # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. # You will have to access it by its address (e.g., http://123.45.67.89/) # anyway, and this will make redirections work in a sensible way. # # 127.0.0.1 is the TCP/IP local loop-back address, often named localhost. Your # machine always knows itself by this address. If you use Apache strictly for # local testing and development, you may use 127.0.0.1 as the server name. # ServerName your.server.name Gary Dunn Open Slate Project Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 1329 N. University, Suite D4 Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Apache SERVER_NAME quick Q
Then I screwed my eyes back in, and re-read the question. You're right, you have aDNS problem. What's in /etc/hosts ? Ric Tibbetts wrote: On mine, I have a server with multiple hostnames. So Apache was getting soem strange results. I set mine in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf (on LM 8.1). The setting is near the top, and is commented out by default. I uncomment it, and put the hostname I want in the ServerName entry. Like so: ServerName www.mydomain.net Then it picks up that entry, and not the name assigned to the NIC. Dunno if that helps you or not. But it solved my problem. David Rankin wrote: Well, I should have been more clear, and maybe the problem isn't as simple as I thought. On my 7.2 box, #ServerName your.server.name is still commented out, but apache is able to use gethostbyname() and correctly fill in the welcome screen in apache. In 8.2, something is fishy. [Skyline] # hostname Skyline.3111Skyline.com That looks OK [Skyline] # hostname --fqdn Unknown host That looks bad So it seems the problem with apache isn't with apache or httpd.conf, but rather with my hostname setup. I have set hostname and domainname, and I can't figure out why hostname --fqdn would return unknown host? What config file am I failing to check? /etc/sysconfig/network has the right hostname. Gary Dunn wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 06:29, David Rankin wrote: Just a quick Q, because I'm suffering from a mental lapse. I'm getting Apache configured on 8.2. The SERVER_NAME variable in the default Welcome screen is pulling 127.0.0.1 instead of the actual host name. Hostname is working fine. Where do I look to get this fixed. You definitely need to edit httpd.conf, which may be located in /usr/local/apache/conf depending on how your system is set up. (My apache is on a FreeBSD box, which puts it in /usr/local/etc/apache.) Look for this: # ServerName allows you to set a host name which is sent back to clients for # your server if it's different than the one the program would get (i.e., use # www instead of the host's real name). # # Note: You cannot just invent host names and hope they work. The name you # define here must be a valid DNS name for your host. If you don't understand # this, ask your network administrator. # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. # You will have to access it by its address (e.g., http://123.45.67.89/) # anyway, and this will make redirections work in a sensible way. # # 127.0.0.1 is the TCP/IP local loop-back address, often named localhost. Your # machine always knows itself by this address. If you use Apache strictly for # local testing and development, you may use 127.0.0.1 as the server name. # ServerName your.server.name Gary Dunn Open Slate Project Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 1329 N. University, Suite D4 Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] smtp(s) from outside the network...
All; I'm currently away from my home system. Before I left, I set up imap, and pop so that I could receive my e-Mail, even though I'm not on the network. Now that I'm out here, I've noticed that I cannot send mail, via smtp through my home server. It's not a major problem, since I can route through an ISP, but I'd like to get it to work. I checked /etc/services, and smtp, and smtps are both there. But I cannot connect. Should there be an entry for xinted? If so, does anyone have the recipe for it? Also, I cannot connect to imaps, any suggestions? The above ports are open in my firewall, and ssh works. So I'm not sure where else to look. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kdm wierdness in 8.2
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 06:47, Thomas Gamble wrote:
On Friday 05 April 2002 11:28 pm, Damian wrote:
El vie, 05-04-2002 a las 02:51, Ric Tibbetts escribió:
On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 16:07, Thomas Gamble wrote:
Since upgrading to 8.2 I have noticed that changes to the login manager
don't stick. In particular, changing 'Show Users' to 'None'. After a
couple of login cycles this reverts back to 'All but no show'. I've
seen this same bahavior on three separate installations of MDK8.2 all
clean installs. It seems as though a script is running somewhere that
regenerates the /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc file, but I've been
unsuccessful in finding anything. Editing this file directly has the
same result. Has anyone else had this problem, and have you found a
solution?
It's not just kdm. I'm having exactly the same problem with gdm. I
thought it was just me.
Anyone have a fix yet? Or at least a cause?
Thanks!
Ric
possible cause: security level? just wondering...
It turns out this is exactly the cause.
In particular, it is related to the msec script that gets run from both
/etc/cron.daily and /etc/cron.hourly. This script is a link to
/usr/share/msec/security.sh which calls /usr/share/msec/msec.py. msec.py
tests for security levels and makes corrections to certain system setting
based on the current level setting.
The following code snippet from /usr/share/msec/msec.py appears to be the
offender:
if level = 4:
set_user_umask('077')
set_shell_history_size(10)
allow_root_login(0)
enable_sulogin(1)
allow_user_list(0)
enable_promisc_check(1)
accept_icmp_echo(0)
accept_bogus_error_responses(0)
allow_reboot(0)
enable_at_crontab(0)
if level == 4:
password_aging(60, 30)
else:
password_aging(30, 15)
else:
set_user_umask('022')
set_shell_history_size(-1)
allow_root_login(1)
enable_sulogin(0)
allow_user_list(1)
enable_promisc_check(0)
accept_icmp_echo(1)
accept_bogus_error_responses(1)
allow_reboot(1)
enable_at_crontab(1)
password_aging(9)
The call to 'allow_user_lists(1)' in the 'else' portion is the problem. This
has the result of forcing the 'ShowUsers' setting in kdmrc to 'All'.
Commenting this line out fixes the problem and still allows higher
security level settings to force 'ShowUsers' to 'None'. This script also
affects similar settings in gdm (I believe it's the 'Browser' setting)and
this change should fix that as well.
Worked like a charm. Thanks!
I found that alternate to commenting out the allow_user_list(1) entry,
simply changing the value to (0) worked as well.
Thanks again, for solving an annoying problem!
Ric
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[expert] [OT] Xine problem with 8.2
All; Ok, not exactly on topic, but I'm hoping that someone here will know this one. I'm trying to play DVD's with xine. It plays mpegs ok, but I get the following error on DVDs: There is no available plugin to handle dvd://video_ts.vob I've checked the home page for xine looking for answers, an found nothing. Can someone point me to an answer for this? Thanks in advance! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [OT] Xine problem with 8.2 (Never Mind)
I got it figured out. Thanks anyway. Ric On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 12:57, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; Ok, not exactly on topic, but I'm hoping that someone here will know this one. I'm trying to play DVD's with xine. It plays mpegs ok, but I get the following error on DVDs: There is no available plugin to handle dvd://video_ts.vob I've checked the home page for xine looking for answers, an found nothing. Can someone point me to an answer for this? Thanks in advance! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE screen Saver Location
Ok, you're not going to believe how easy this actually is. 1) Go into the KDE configuration panel, and shut off the default screensaver 2) Run xscreensaver-demo to select the screensaver(s) that you want to use. It will present a list of them. It will also create a ~/.xscreensaver file with your settings. 3) cd ~/.kde/Autostart 4) ln -s /usr/bin/X11/xscreenaver . (to like xcscreensaver into the autostart directory). 5) Restart KDE. When KDE starts, the xscreensaver splash panel will appear for 5 seconds. You can either turn this off, or shorten the duration by editing the .xscreensaver file in your home directory. I have mine set to come up, but at a very short duration, just so I know it started. That's it! Just disable the KDE screensaver. And link xscreensaver into the KDE Autostart directory (under your home dir). And you're there. You can optionally configure xscreensaver to include/exclude your favorite xscreensavers (for example, turning off all but xflame) Personally, I like xscreensaver far better than the default KDE unit. ;) Have fun! Ric On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 17:36, Ken Thompson wrote: I'd like to use X-Flame screen saver in KDE but for the life of me I can't find where the files are stored so they can be found in the KDE ControlCenter. Anybody else put Xscreensaver files in KDE? Gnome shows all the Xscreensaver files, H.. -- Ken Thompson, North West Antique Autos Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nwaa.com Sales and brokering of antique autos and parts. Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kdm wierdness in 8.2
On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 16:07, Thomas Gamble wrote: Since upgrading to 8.2 I have noticed that changes to the login manager don't stick. In particular, changing 'Show Users' to 'None'. After a couple of login cycles this reverts back to 'All but no show'. I've seen this same bahavior on three separate installations of MDK8.2 all clean installs. It seems as though a script is running somewhere that regenerates the /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc file, but I've been unsuccessful in finding anything. Editing this file directly has the same result. Has anyone else had this problem, and have you found a solution? It's not just kdm. I'm having exactly the same problem with gdm. I thought it was just me. Anyone have a fix yet? Or at least a cause? Thanks! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE screen Saver Location
[ric@darkstar ric]$ locate xflame /usr/share/control-center/screensavers/xflame.xml /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver/xflame /usr/X11R6/man/man1/xflame.1.bz2 Hint: It;s not the .xml, or th e.bz2 file. ;) All of the xscreensaver executables are located in /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver However, it's a full executable. I'm not sure that KDE will run it. I may be wrong, but I believe that the kde screensavers are a specific file format, read by a screensaver program in kde. Not the case with xscreensaver. What I did a while back was to turn off the kde screensaver, and add a section to the startkde script to execute xscreensaver when it was started. Thus, I had xscreensaver running inside of kde. That was a couple of years ago though. I'm running gnome these days, so I'd have to research a bit to figure out the specifics again. Hope that helps. Ric On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 17:36, Ken Thompson wrote: I'd like to use X-Flame screen saver in KDE but for the life of me I can't find where the files are stored so they can be found in the KDE ControlCenter. Anybody else put Xscreensaver files in KDE? Gnome shows all the Xscreensaver files, H.. -- Ken Thompson, North West Antique Autos Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nwaa.com Sales and brokering of antique autos and parts. Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE screen Saver Location
xscreensaver/kde integration 102 Sorry, I left off a piece on that last answer. If you fire up xscreensaver from startkde, it will by default cycle through al of them, at preselected intervals. You can pick a single one by running xscreensaver-demo, and configuring it from there. Just shut off all the ones you don't want. For more info, try: man xscreensaver. Chiao! Ric On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 17:36, Ken Thompson wrote: I'd like to use X-Flame screen saver in KDE but for the life of me I can't find where the files are stored so they can be found in the KDE ControlCenter. Anybody else put Xscreensaver files in KDE? Gnome shows all the Xscreensaver files, H.. -- Ken Thompson, North West Antique Autos Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nwaa.com Sales and brokering of antique autos and parts. Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] a second different IP for the same net-card.
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 02:38, civileme wrote: MdkXpertList wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:55:23 -0800 (PST) Dianne Marie Montesa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the main config file for the NIC is on /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0... i havent found a way to put another ip on the same card using config files, so i put the above command on the rc.local file to make it available upon boot up. Just like main config file, just add :X to the name: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:1 . . . /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:X and for example ifcfg-eth0:0 DEVICE=eth0:0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=192.168.1.2 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.1.0 BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 ONBOOT=yes /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases is the script which do the actual job to bring them up... Happy Easter to all Bluebirds and Traktopellers... -- Juhani -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Thanks, the classic poor man's router lives again.! Civileme They never died. They were just hiding in the background. ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 8.2 Install
Just a quick one. I installed 8.2 on my crash burn box tonight. The install went exactly how an install should. Flawless. So far, I can't see any large differences from 8.1, except that it runs smoother, and some applications have newer versions, and run faster smoother. Exactly how a point release should be. Good Job Mandrakesoft! I'll be ordering the boxed set of this one. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.2 Install
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 22:28, J. Craig Woods wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: Just a quick one. I installed 8.2 on my crash burn box tonight. The install went exactly how an install should. Flawless. So far, I can't see any large differences from 8.1, except that it runs smoother, and some applications have newer versions, and run faster smoother. Exactly how a point release should be. Good Job Mandrakesoft! I'll be ordering the boxed set of this one. Ric YEA! The RicMan is happy again :-) Aw.. I'm most always happy, an da Linux supporter in arenas that you wouldn't believe! Sometimes I just drink a bit too much coffee. ;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The little operating system that could
On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 00:22, J. Craig Woods wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: And yeah, I feel better now. Thanks. (gotta lay off that late night coffee...;) Ric Hey bud, have some brews, it'll help you deal with life's little shitty moments... LOL Yeah, maybe so.. maybe so. But it's been me Juan Valdez for so long, he's named a crop after me! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The little operating system that could
Ummm, _Either_ the boxed sets _OR_ the club will get you StarOffice and the non-free Apps. You do not need both. Thank you for clearing that one up. From a few comments made, there were others that were also confused about that one. It takes about $3-4 million to make one of these distros and keep the security fixes rolling and tested, and we do ..eventually.. finish our tools, though we can make no guarantees about the tools being made by the community. Contrast that with $300 million or more for the Other Desktop system, which doesn't even make an effort to provide drivers, leaving that to the hardware people. Again, I don't begrudge Mandrakesoft the right to make money. That's why you start such a business in the first place. Also, the programmers do need to eat. I've long been a supporter, and will continue to buy the boxed sets (albeit, not all of them. I usually download the x.0, x.1 type versions, and then buy the one that looks like it will be the last of the version. In this case, I'll be buying 8.2). It just looked like Mandrakesoft wanted us to not only buy the boxed sets, but to ALSO join the club. I was balking a bit at that. Thank you for clearing that one up! Anyway, enough said. Your post suggests you do not understand the difference between free (libre) and free(gratuit) at all. Nor do you appreciate that this will all go away very soon if such laws as SSSCA actually pass. Linux, and building home computers, will both be outlawed. I've already sent appropriate letters to the people involved voicing my opinion of this one. As should eveyone else! Freedom is not free. Pay for it in money or pay for it in the traditional manner, blood, toil, tears, and sweat. And Freedom is what it is about, not overwhelming the worlkd's richest men, just assuring that your computer belongs to _you_. You *DO* have a way with words. ;) And I agree with you 100%! My original post was borne out of a late night frustration in dealing with a problem that shouldn't have existed. Just a nasty software glitch that shouldn't have existed. As I've said. I will continue to support Linux. It's the only OS that makes sense! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] The little operating system that could
The full title of this: The little operating system that could, and the little company that couldn't. Meaning of course Linux, and Mandrake. I'm a newly disgruntled user. Don't mis-read that. I'm not a new user by any means. I still have my RedHat 3.x disks on the shelf. I'm just newly disgruntled. Why? I'm tired of things that don't work consistantly. I'm tired of hostile help lists that love nothing more than to flame anyone who dares to have a contradictory opinion. I'm tired of the partially finished software, and having to argue over the value of a much needed function, just because the DOD (Developer of the Day) doesn't want to include it. I'm tired of seeing an application with possibilities dissapear because the developer graduated, and got a job. But mostly, I'm tired of paying more, and more for it all. And having the distributors constantly stick their hand out for more. It used to be that Linux was openly free. It was meant to be that way. But then the companies came in, and saw a way to make money from Linus' child, and built distributions. Ok, distributions were a good thing. Rolling your own was a bear! Even those used to be totally free. You were encouraged to download it. They still are in a way. But now Mandrake is taking it upon themselves to make you feel guilty for that, and even worse, making you a second class citizen. You can't get the same distributino from download, as you can by buying a boxed set. You can't get StarOffice 6.0 without Belonging to the Club. Can't get this, can't get that. BAH! Seems to me that Linus' little free operating system is now costing as much as windows, without the benefit of the off the shelf software. Don't believe me? Add it up. Average charge per new releass: $69.00 per release. x 2 realeases per year. $138.00 Shipping: $15.00 per boxed set 30.00 The Club $10 per month x 12 (Remember, you need to belong to the $10 per month club to get Staroffice 6.0) 120.00 - Cost of Mandrake, per year: $288.00 Congratulations. For the home user, the cost of ownership of Mandrake has exceeded the cost of Win2k. And you can't even go down to the local software store and buy a game for it. Or a business accounting package, or a decent CD Label Printing Package. or Ok, yep, I'll keep running it, because I like it. I'm just disgruntled. If you all want to turn on the jets, and flame me for it, fine. I just felt the need to share a few points that just fry me from time to time. Thanks for listening. JMHO-YMMV Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The little operating system that could
On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 22:47, J. Craig Woods wrote: Ric Tibbetts wrote: Congratulations. For the home user, the cost of ownership of Mandrake has exceeded the cost of Win2k. And you can't even go down to the local software store and buy a game for it. Or a business accounting package, or a decent CD Label Printing Package. or Ok, yep, I'll keep running it, because I like it. I'm just disgruntled. If you all want to turn on the jets, and flame me for it, fine. I just felt the need to share a few points that just fry me from time to time. Thanks for listening. JMHO-YMMV Ric OK, Ric, you had your bitch. Do you feel any better? I must say you are mostly right but, what the hell, welcome to the world of Linux... I've been with Linux a long time. And I'll continue to stay. I break out in a rash every time I need to walk up to a Windows box. Sometimes junk just builds up, and ya gotta dump it somewhere. And for the record: I don't begrudge Mandrake the right to make their money. We all help to that end when we buy the boxed sets. What got my goat was when they started looking for hand-outs on top of what they already get for paid support, and purchases of boxed sets. It looks like buying the boxed set is no longer enough, but we all have to join the club as well. I charge my customers too. But only once. But enough ranting. Sorry for disturbing everyone. I'll crawl back into my cave now. And yeah, I feel better now. Thanks. (gotta lay off that late night coffee...;) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The little operating system that could
On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 22:30, Brian Parish wrote: Hang on Ric - I won't flame you, but I will correct your math. StarOffice 6 comes IN the boxed set, so let's start by revising the figures down to $168. Now we can flame accurately ;-) 6.0 is in the boxed set? Are you sure about that? Dang. Changes my whole formula. Ok, so now it only costs as much as Win XP ;) Ric Brian On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 16:48, Ric Tibbetts wrote: The full title of this: The little operating system that could, and the little company that couldn't. Meaning of course Linux, and Mandrake. I'm a newly disgruntled user. Don't mis-read that. I'm not a new user by any means. I still have my RedHat 3.x disks on the shelf. I'm just newly disgruntled. Why? I'm tired of things that don't work consistantly. I'm tired of hostile help lists that love nothing more than to flame anyone who dares to have a contradictory opinion. I'm tired of the partially finished software, and having to argue over the value of a much needed function, just because the DOD (Developer of the Day) doesn't want to include it. I'm tired of seeing an application with possibilities dissapear because the developer graduated, and got a job. But mostly, I'm tired of paying more, and more for it all. And having the distributors constantly stick their hand out for more. It used to be that Linux was openly free. It was meant to be that way. But then the companies came in, and saw a way to make money from Linus' child, and built distributions. Ok, distributions were a good thing. Rolling your own was a bear! Even those used to be totally free. You were encouraged to download it. They still are in a way. But now Mandrake is taking it upon themselves to make you feel guilty for that, and even worse, making you a second class citizen. You can't get the same distributino from download, as you can by buying a boxed set. You can't get StarOffice 6.0 without Belonging to the Club. Can't get this, can't get that. BAH! Seems to me that Linus' little free operating system is now costing as much as windows, without the benefit of the off the shelf software. Don't believe me? Add it up. Average charge per new releass: $69.00 per release. x 2 realeases per year. $138.00 Shipping: $15.00 per boxed set 30.00 The Club $10 per month x 12 (Remember, you need to belong to the $10 per month club to get Staroffice 6.0) 120.00 - Cost of Mandrake, per year: $288.00 Congratulations. For the home user, the cost of ownership of Mandrake has exceeded the cost of Win2k. And you can't even go down to the local software store and buy a game for it. Or a business accounting package, or a decent CD Label Printing Package. or Ok, yep, I'll keep running it, because I like it. I'm just disgruntled. If you all want to turn on the jets, and flame me for it, fine. I just felt the need to share a few points that just fry me from time to time. Thanks for listening. JMHO-YMMV Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?
Just to throw my .02 into this: I have an IBM PC that does something similar. My wife kids use it. After it has been running a while, it just locks up, for no real reason. The keyboard mouse simply stop responding. The only way out is to throw the big red switch. It currently has Win98 on it. I also tried Win 2k, and Linux as a test to see if it was the OS. No change. In at least my case, it's a hardware (bios?) problem. That box's days are numbered. It's on the replace list. It's an older box anyway. Ric On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 00:03, David Guntner wrote: Jonathan Dlouhy grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Dave, it definetly sounds like a hardware problem. It sounds like something gets heated up after 24 hours then fails. It could be a one of several things. Don't flame me for this, but, have you tried a different OS to see if it does the same thing? That would require an awful *lot* of work to install something else, which is not exactly something I'm too keen on right now... :-) However, as it *has* been runing Mandrake reliably for many months (close to a year) now, I don't think it's an OS thing. Not a flame, just some info. :-) If so, then it's got to be a hardware problem. I would investigate the RAM, then the motherboard. I don't know how much ram you have, but if you could beg, borrow or steal some other ram, swap yours out then run it for a couple of days. If it doesn't lock up, then I guess we know the problem. If it still does it it's time to look at the mb. After that I'm out of ideas. I've got 256M of RAM in the machine, to answer your (implied) question. I don't know anyone with memory that I could borrow. :-) As I mentioned in my earlier message, I've run Memtest-86 (you boot it up from a diskette) on this machine, and it doesn't find any problems with memory (when I was experiencing a problem where the machine started spontaneously rebooting from time to time for no apparent reason, Memtest-86 identified bad memory and when I replaced that SIMM module, the reboots stopped - so I trust this utility). Thanks for the reply! --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] open office or star office.
On Sat, 2002-03-09 at 10:01, Praedor Tempus wrote: I would DEFINITELY go with StarOffice. You cannot get the 6 beta anymore, unless you know someone with it. Sun pulled the StarOffice 6.0 beta in preparation for the full release version due out this spring. However, be warned, rumor has it that they'll be chargin for it. I won't start a marketing war by going into their reasons, but it will no longer be free. OpenOffice will continue to be free, but as the saying goes: ya gets what ya pays for. JMHO-YMMV ric I just tried the latest Openoffice and, damn, it was buggy and slooow. DAMN slow. I ended up reinstalling StarOffice 5.2. It is faster and has more working features/few bugs. --- Damian Gatabria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Sáb 09 Mar 2002 11:00, escribió: Hi, I wondering whether to use start office or open office. Can u guys tell me which is better and the benefits of the one recomended over the other. Regards, Hari Yellina. StarOffice is based upon OpenOffice, so they are a lot alike... i don't know if you can get the latest version of staroffice anymore [...] __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MOBO Question
I'm building a multi-purpose box (multi-OS). So selecting a mobo is a balancing act trying to ensure interoperability between the vairous operating systems The most problematic being between Solaris,a nd Linux. So far the ASUS A7V266-M carries excelent certification with Solaris. Has anyone had any experience with it with Linux? Any input is greatly appreciated. TIA -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] swap partitions on multiple hard drives - what to putin /etc/fstab?
yup, that'll do it. ;) On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 12:33, Brian Henerey wrote: My current /etc/fstab for one of my systems shows this: [root@cmrldata1 /]# more /etc/fstab /dev/hda2 / reiserfsdefaults1 1 /dev/hda5 /data1 ext2defaults1 2 /dev/hdb5 /data2 ext2defaults1 2 none/dev/ptsdevpts mode=0620 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0/mnt/floppy vfatuser,noauto 0 0 none/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/hda1 swapswapdefaults0 0 /dev/hdc6 /data3 ext2defaults1 2 However, I have swap partitions setup on my 2nd and 3rd hard drives, hdb and hdc. Should they be added with an entry such as this?: /dev/hdb1 swapswapdefaults0 0 /dev/hdc1 swapswapdefaults0 0 Thanks for the advice. -Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Motherboards - again
The recent discussions of motherboards has raised a question with me. There is always lots of chat about the mid to upper end mobos, but what about the lower end? If I were to put together a budget box, that could still run Linux, and be useable, what mobos would you experts recommend? This is really just a curiosity question. Not everyone can afford to build a box based on the Soyo Dragon+, they may want something resulting in a box half that price. So drag out your calculators, and lets see what can be built on budget hardware (must be current stuff. No 486 boxes). Thanks! -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
