Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 06:37 -0800, Civileme wrote: > Anyway, your approach is defeating you. Try reading here how to install. > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fdoc.php3 > > (Ummm Mandrake folks, could we make the documentation link about 36 point and > blinking in annoying colors on the main page? Doesn't work either. I once had a site with Windows stuff on it and a link to a nice site with related tricks. I made that link scream "CLICK ME!" at the reader because I thought all Windows user are trained Pavlov-style. Did not work! wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 04:42:10PM -0400, Jeff Malka wrote: > I came in the middle. > Is Mandrake 7.1 a pre-release version? Absolutely not. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net Freezer Burn BBS: telnet://bbs.freezer-burn.org . ICQ: 54924721 Webmaster for the Linux Portal Site Freezer Burn: http://www.freezer-burn.org Current Linux uptime: 19 hours 13 minutes.
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
Jeffno, absolutely not. Alan Jeff Malka wrote: > > I came in the middle. > Is Mandrake 7.1 a pre-release version? > > Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Registered Linux user 183185 > > - Original Message - > From: Pj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem > > > Why do you think software is tested before it is released for sale? > > > > Don't complain if you don't know the difference between a stable version > > and a distro still in testing. And, please don't call Mdk buggy because > you > > don't know how to install a pre-release version. I don't know how to > > install it either.. but I'm not trying. BTW, Mandrake includes KDE in > every > > release. If you don't like it there are several other XWindow Managers > > available for your viewing pleasure. > > > > Pj > > > > > > At 05:24 PM 7/20/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in > love > > >with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > > >comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines > that > > >run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that > crappy > > >upgrade to 7. which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > > > > >wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta > > >product. > > > > > >-sarang > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
I came in the middle. Is Mandrake 7.1 a pre-release version? Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Pj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem > Why do you think software is tested before it is released for sale? > > Don't complain if you don't know the difference between a stable version > and a distro still in testing. And, please don't call Mdk buggy because you > don't know how to install a pre-release version. I don't know how to > install it either.. but I'm not trying. BTW, Mandrake includes KDE in every > release. If you don't like it there are several other XWindow Managers > available for your viewing pleasure. > > Pj > > > At 05:24 PM 7/20/00 -0400, you wrote: > >this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love > >with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > >comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that > >run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy > >upgrade to 7. which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > > >wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta > >product. > > > >-sarang > > > > > > > >
RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > > Entering Step "'Setup filesystems' > > > error resetting /mnt/etc/mtab at usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 313 > > > > Hmmm... I think this is a problem with partition tables, like > > Civilme mentioned. Did you try re-partitioning the drive with the > > installer? > > > > I did not do this because I cannot even get that far. I also must use PM > because your partition utility will not give me the needed FAT32 partitions > for DOS and Windows. If PM 5 will not work then I am in big trouble. I also > use Boot Magic. That also must work, LILO cannot do all I need and not > nearly as nicely. You can install BM later, and I wonder if you have tried GRUB. Anyway, why won't it give you a FAT32 partition? Why not in fact partition the whole disk FAT32 with PM and then let the installer resize the FAT32 partition and set up the others AFTER you have installed Windows? I have of course tried setting up FAT32/vfat partitioning with the installer and was able to make it work. Of course, installing Windows later overwrote the boot sector and I had to use a startup disk and DrakBoot to set up the boot options. Anyway, your approach is defeating you. Try reading here how to install. http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fdoc.php3 (Ummm Mandrake folks, could we make the documentation link about 36 point and blinking in annoying colors on the main page? > I may try to see if I can find a way to partition with the installer to see > what happened but I did redo the entire drive with PM and if that is the > problem WHY did it work PERFECTLY on 7.0 and continues to work perfectly on > 7.0. > Because ext2 has been enhanced of late, and of course the PM you have is still the same as when you bought it. > > > Is there ANY way to upgrade manually that is reasonable to do. > > I could boot > > > to version 7 and do it if it is a reasonable thing to do.. > > > > There probably is, by manually upgrading each RPM and following > > dependencies. This probably isn't your (or my) idea of good time, > > however. > > > > NOOP that is all I could think of. :-) > > > > > > I hadn't see or replied to), left me with very little to go on. I > > simply saw a "bash Mandrake" message and responded to it. > > > > Not really intended that way. > > > > > > Just out of curiousity, but are you trying this with XFree86 4 or > > 3.3.6? And, again, you have to remember that hardware like the > > intellimouse was designed for Windows and we have to figure out a way > > > Version 3.3.6. > > > > > > > So you can use the mouse as a regular mouse, you just can't use the > > scrolling wheel? When imwheel is running is when you have all the > > problems? > > > > True. > > > > However, if you need to get to a shell prompt, just press "Alt-F1" > > and you will get a shell prompt. You don't need to change the boot > > mode and reboot if all you want is the console. I switch back and > > forth from X to the console all the time without rebooting my > > machine. > > > > Thanks for that tip. All could find was the other sequence. > There should really be an option on the GUI for this. > Actually ctrl-alt-f2 through ctrl-alt-f6 also allow you to log into consoles and ctrl-alt-f7 returns to GUI. > > > > it would be nice to have it work straight out of the box, I agree. > > > > But is it really that difficult to tell Mandrake, during the install, > > > > > > No, I have done that but it did not seem to work. Maybe it was my > imagination. It is very hard to tell what it thinks it has. > > > > > > I've never had the opportunity to look at AIX, but it certainly > > sounds like the documentation is better than what came with OS/2. > > For most of OS/2 you were more in the dark or had far more cryptic > > documentation than with Linux. Looks like they must have done > > something right with AIX. > > Yes they did. The sales of the RS 6000 servers are going through the roof. > They can't make enough of them here in Rochester. > > > > > > > > > this hardware stuff, people have to reverse engineer drivers or write > > > > their own in order to use them which makes Linux's compatability with > > > > hardware sometimes tricky. Yes, it's gotten much better than it used > > > > > And I guess that is the problem. I hope you can realize that I cannot be > expected to be happy when all of my nice hardware does not work or does not > work well. > > Diamond monster sound card. > HP Scan Jet 5100C > Yamaha CD Writer > Intellimouse > Viper II video (I sewitced to the 3dfx Voodoo 3 and that wroks but no > accelerated in 7.0 ) > HP 855C Desk Jet (works but not ver well) > > And it goes on. Until I get support for this not so esoteric hardware it is > gooing to be hard to liek Linux. Only the VIPER II could be caleed cutting > edge, and perhaps the Intellimouse. Nevertheless, I love my mouse and will > not long use what does not fully support it. You get used to teh wheel and > can't live without it. > >
RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote: > I did not do this because I cannot even get that far. I also must use PM > because your partition utility will not give me the needed FAT32 partitions > for DOS and Windows. If PM 5 will not work then I am in big trouble. I also > use Boot Magic. That also must work, LILO cannot do all I need and not > nearly as nicely. > I may try to see if I can find a way to partition with the installer to see > what happened but I did redo the entire drive with PM and if that is the > problem WHY did it work PERFECTLY on 7.0 and continues to work perfectly on > 7.0. > Here's a suggestion: Make your Fat32 partitions with PM. Then leave the rest of the drive unpartitioned and partition it with the installer. It's MUCH better to let the installer partition it, because of the quirks of the EXT2 FS. Also, if you INSIST on using PM, at least get all the updates! John
RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
> > Entering Step "'Setup filesystems' > > error resetting /mnt/etc/mtab at usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 313 > > Hmmm... I think this is a problem with partition tables, like > Civilme mentioned. Did you try re-partitioning the drive with the > installer? > I did not do this because I cannot even get that far. I also must use PM because your partition utility will not give me the needed FAT32 partitions for DOS and Windows. If PM 5 will not work then I am in big trouble. I also use Boot Magic. That also must work, LILO cannot do all I need and not nearly as nicely. I may try to see if I can find a way to partition with the installer to see what happened but I did redo the entire drive with PM and if that is the problem WHY did it work PERFECTLY on 7.0 and continues to work perfectly on 7.0. > > Is there ANY way to upgrade manually that is reasonable to do. > I could boot > > to version 7 and do it if it is a reasonable thing to do.. > > There probably is, by manually upgrading each RPM and following > dependencies. This probably isn't your (or my) idea of good time, > however. > NOOP that is all I could think of. :-) > > I hadn't see or replied to), left me with very little to go on. I > simply saw a "bash Mandrake" message and responded to it. > Not really intended that way. > > Just out of curiousity, but are you trying this with XFree86 4 or > 3.3.6? And, again, you have to remember that hardware like the > intellimouse was designed for Windows and we have to figure out a way Version 3.3.6. > > So you can use the mouse as a regular mouse, you just can't use the > scrolling wheel? When imwheel is running is when you have all the > problems? > True. > However, if you need to get to a shell prompt, just press "Alt-F1" > and you will get a shell prompt. You don't need to change the boot > mode and reboot if all you want is the console. I switch back and > forth from X to the console all the time without rebooting my > machine. > Thanks for that tip. All could find was the other sequence. There should really be an option on the GUI for this. > > > it would be nice to have it work straight out of the box, I agree. > > > But is it really that difficult to tell Mandrake, during the install, > > No, I have done that but it did not seem to work. Maybe it was my imagination. It is very hard to tell what it thinks it has. > > I've never had the opportunity to look at AIX, but it certainly > sounds like the documentation is better than what came with OS/2. > For most of OS/2 you were more in the dark or had far more cryptic > documentation than with Linux. Looks like they must have done > something right with AIX. Yes they did. The sales of the RS 6000 servers are going through the roof. They can't make enough of them here in Rochester. > > > > this hardware stuff, people have to reverse engineer drivers or write > > > their own in order to use them which makes Linux's compatability with > > > hardware sometimes tricky. Yes, it's gotten much better than it used > > And I guess that is the problem. I hope you can realize that I cannot be expected to be happy when all of my nice hardware does not work or does not work well. Diamond monster sound card. HP Scan Jet 5100C Yamaha CD Writer Intellimouse Viper II video (I sewitced to the 3dfx Voodoo 3 and that wroks but no accelerated in 7.0 ) HP 855C Desk Jet (works but not ver well) And it goes on. Until I get support for this not so esoteric hardware it is gooing to be hard to liek Linux. Only the VIPER II could be caleed cutting edge, and perhaps the Intellimouse. Nevertheless, I love my mouse and will not long use what does not fully support it. You get used to teh wheel and can't live without it. > > > > > My desktop sucks. The ICON are partly hidden by the menu > bar at the top. > the top down > > to the bottom, but it is sort t of frustrating and not well done. > > This is extremely odd. Now, I gather you're using KDE, right? I > don't use KDE much myself but perhaps it's a permission issue? Do Certainly not a permission thing. It does the same thing as root. > > Well, I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. I've never been much of > a Windows users.. before Linux I used OS/2 exclusively. But I do > have a Win98 machine and am totally unimpressed with it. It causes > me more grief than the other 5 Linux Mandrake computers combined. I > hope we can resolve these issues for you so you don't have to resign > yourself to WinSomething-or-Other. > One problem is the hardware support, that is true. Perhaps even more sever is the hidden cost of application replacement. There are no appoications I knwo of to replace with anything close to the saem fucntiona lot fo my applications. If I give up on windows and switch to Linux I lose the Hundresd of dollars I have spent. I also lose those enteirylthat have no replacement. A very good thign to have would be a cross reference list with as many widow apps as possible and
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Sarang Lakare wrote: > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:24:53 -0400 > From: Sarang Lakare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem > > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta > product. > > -sarang > You guys are right, Mandrake 7.1 required much more expert tweaking than 7.0 to work, but I love reiserfs too much. My Sony laptop (Neomagic chip) had the X-server set up correctly with 7.0, but bombed on 7.1; I had to manually fix the config file. Also, my Voodoo 3 3500 tv in my desktop bombed, and I had to fix that too. I am also not too happy that they did not include the libstdc++-devel when you check development, most students are out to learn c++ in classes, making it difficult to convert other college students to Mandrake, if it cannot compile their programs without some tweaking. The last complaint is that the installer is buggy as crap, it messes up on tons of things, sometimes just randomly quitting when selecting RPMS, etc. And the old trick to install off a bootable cd for Sony laptops "linux ide1=0x180,0x386" also seems to be broken now. I hope they fix these eventually, but I'm happy enough to know what I'm doing to stay on the cutting edge... :) -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 20
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 06:37:56PM -0800, Civileme wrote: > > > > Did the lack of Mandrake detected the full amount of RAM and not > > auto-detect a wheel mouse prevent you from completing an install? I > > find that a little difficult to believe. What other problems did you > > have during the install? There must have been something a wee bit > > more problematic than that. > Gil is havinga problem with a diamond viper II and 7.1 > > The unsupported card is being recognized just enough to search for a > nonexistent driver and fail. Ugh. Yeah, 3.3.6 doesn't support that card at all, does it? > Since 7.1 isn't up, he can't read the proceudre on the user manual for > installing the framebuffer kernel, driver, etc. Aren't the manuals available online at www.linux-mandrake.com? I'm sure I saw them there somehow... perhaps Gil can take a look at those and see if he can solve the problem using that information. > And the "perfect" operation in 7.0 is a 640x480 VGA16 implementation. for the > viper II the Voodoo banshee he reported at 800x600 in 7.0 Yikes. > He has two computers, and I am unclear whether the other one will install on > 7.1 or not. I beleive it is a Voodoo Banshee which I have not tried. My > Voodoo3 does not duplicate the Xserver not found behavior. He has downloaded > enough, md5summed it, and even bought from Cheapbytes to apparently supply his > neighborhood with frisbees, but he maintains that 7.1 halts at configuring X > and Xconfigurator or DrakX gives him the same errors. Well, I've had X freeze the system during install when testing 4.0 with an ATI Rage 128 card. But with 3.3.6 it works fine, but I guess with that card he can't try 3.3.6 with it. > I am unable to duplicate the error of failure to find XFree86 on ANY of the > systems accessible to me, so I haven't been of much help. Yeah, I can see frustration from that. All of my cards here are ATI cards... I've never used another card for SVGA graphics, so I know absolutely nothing about Voodoo cards. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net Freezer Burn BBS: telnet://bbs.freezer-burn.org . ICQ: 54924721 Webmaster for the Linux Portal Site Freezer Burn: http://www.freezer-burn.org Current Linux uptime: 0 hours 55 minutes.
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 09:35:16PM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote: > > I did read your problem. Perhaps you should read it again. You say > > "cannot install (CLEAN)" yet nowhere in the message above, quoted so > > you can read what you wrote in the first place, doesn't once mention > > the word "clean". Yes I see you wrote "... don't work and machines > > that run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1..", *that* I > > understood. Nowhere did you mention clean. Perhaps if you'd like a > > little help you could drop the attitude please? > > I did not mention it because it does not matter. I get the same error in > both cases. You have not answered why I get the error about the setting up > file systems. Here I copy the error again. > > The ACTUAL ERROR shown when I exit install is as follows: > > Entering Step "'Setup filesystems' > error resetting /mnt/etc/mtab at usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 313 Hmmm... I think this is a problem with partition tables, like Civilme mentioned. Did you try re-partitioning the drive with the installer? > Is there ANY way to upgrade manually that is reasonable to do. I could boot > to version 7 and do it if it is a reasonable thing to do.. There probably is, by manually upgrading each RPM and following dependencies. This probably isn't your (or my) idea of good time, however. > I think you would have to agree that it is frustrating to buy the > distribution and then not be able to use it when I was able to use the > previous on the same machine. I can't do anything to help until I have it > installed can I? Totally! I don't disagree that it's frustrating. But the message that I read (and perhaps you gave more info in previous messages that I hadn't see or replied to), left me with very little to go on. I simply saw a "bash Mandrake" message and responded to it. > > > I also keep losing my mouse after adding the things for Wheel Mouse. > > > > You never mentioned this before. Now we see one of the "problems" > > you mention. Perhaps try downgrading your version of imwheel to the > > The wheel mouse works so poorly that it is not wroth bothering with at this > time. It moves too far on each turn and there is no adjustment like there is > in the intellimouse software under windows. It also only works in root. I > don't think the user should have to go through so much to get something > working that is supposed to work out of the box. If I were using the cooler > version I could understand, but the distribution is at most a beta at this > point. Just out of curiousity, but are you trying this with XFree86 4 or 3.3.6? And, again, you have to remember that hardware like the intellimouse was designed for Windows and we have to figure out a way to make it work under Linux. This provides us with a challenge and many problems, and ends in frustration for the user. But short of begging MS to provide a solution to our problem or giving up entirely, we have to keep trying to refine it and make it work, right? It doesn't happen magically. I think if you consider the number of applications in the distribution, and the number of applications that work as expected, the ratio is pretty good. You happen to be one of the people that have a problem with it, but there are also many others that are satisfied and have no problems with Mandrake. Does that mean they are better than you? Certainly not. Do they know more? I wouldn't guess on that. I would imagine it's a difference in hardware, which is where one of the major weaknesses in Linux lies. But, again, we keep working on it and in the (near) future we hope to provide adequate solutions to allow people to use the newest and coolest hardware under Linux. But that takes work, and testing. To delay a new version of Mandrake with it's many many applications simply because imwheel doesn't work 100% isn't entire reasonable, as I'm sure you would agree. > > do you mean by "losing my mouse"? Does it disappear? Does it > > freezer in one spot on the screen? How do you correct the problem? > > Do you reboot? Do you log out then back in to get it to work again? > > I mean there is no mouse cursor and I have no way to do anything in KDE that > needs a mouse (almost everything) so I have to reboot and them it often > comes back. I finally removed all of the configuration things for the wheel > mouse and it seems ok now, another reason to forget about it. So you can use the mouse as a regular mouse, you just can't use the scrolling wheel? When imwheel is running is when you have all the problems? > > Do you restart the X server and it works? > > No as there is no way to do this when the gui is up and you have no mouse. > That is another problem, Ctl Alt Backspace does not go to the shell, KDE > comes back up, still no mouse. Even when the mouse is working the only way > to get to the shell is to change the boot mode and reboot. You mean it goes back to the login manager, KDM? That's normal. If you're
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
> > What install class under 7.0? what do you mean? > > I have 7.1's showing Mime Type, Application, and URL, etc under New and I want > to figure out what the difference is. Mine dosn't show this.. may be this is coz my upgrade path was 7.0 -> 7.1b1 -> 7.1b3 -> 7.1! Others having the same problem, was this the case with you all too? then maybe we have a solution ;).. coz on a friend's machine (which took 12 hrs to upgrade) the menu works just fine.. but irritatingly, the old "utils" and "genome" menus are still there when u click on "K" -sarang > > Civileme > > > > other than that, I am really impresed with 7.1 too.. infact i had installed > > 7.1b1 and b3 asa they were out! > > > > -sarang
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, you wrote: > mandrake is my choice of Linux too.. and thats why I want to see it > growing. > > I reason I am little bit pissed off with mandrake is that upgrade to 7.1 > from 7.0 takes 12 hrs and installation takes 1-1&1/2 hrs .. whereas 7.0 was > done in 15-20 mints.. i dont' know the reasons.. > > Also, I could install 7.0 on some machines and 7.1 refused to install on > those.. why shld this happen? also after upgrading to 7.1 right clicking on > the KDE desktop dosn't give me anythign under "new" but "folder" :(.. What install class under 7.0? I have 7.1's showing Mime Type, Application, and URL, etc under New and I want to figure out what the difference is. Civileme > > other than that, I am really impresed with 7.1 too.. infact i had installed > 7.1b1 and b3 asa they were out! > > -sarang
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
mandrake is my choice of Linux too.. and thats why I want to see it growing. I reason I am little bit pissed off with mandrake is that upgrade to 7.1 from 7.0 takes 12 hrs and installation takes 1-1&1/2 hrs .. whereas 7.0 was done in 15-20 mints.. i dont' know the reasons.. Also, I could install 7.0 on some machines and 7.1 refused to install on those.. why shld this happen? also after upgrading to 7.1 right clicking on the KDE desktop dosn't give me anythign under "new" but "folder" :(.. other than that, I am really impresed with 7.1 too.. infact i had installed 7.1b1 and b3 asa they were out! -sarang
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > Did the lack of Mandrake detected the full amount of RAM and not > auto-detect a wheel mouse prevent you from completing an install? I > find that a little difficult to believe. What other problems did you > have during the install? There must have been something a wee bit > more problematic than that. > Vincent, Gil is havinga problem with a diamond viper II and 7.1 The unsupported card is being recognized just enough to search for a nonexistent driver and fail. Since 7.1 isn't up, he can't read the proceudre on the user manual for installing the framebuffer kernel, driver, etc. And the "perfect" operation in 7.0 is a 640x480 VGA16 implementation. for the viper II the Voodoo banshee he reported at 800x600 in 7.0 He has two computers, and I am unclear whether the other one will install on 7.1 or not. I beleive it is a Voodoo Banshee which I have not tried. My Voodoo3 does not duplicate the Xserver not found behavior. He has downloaded enough, md5summed it, and even bought from Cheapbytes to apparently supply his neighborhood with frisbees, but he maintains that 7.1 halts at configuring X and Xconfigurator or DrakX gives him the same errors. I am unable to duplicate the error of failure to find XFree86 on ANY of the systems accessible to me, so I haven't been of much help. Civileme
RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
> > I did read your problem. Perhaps you should read it again. You say > "cannot install (CLEAN)" yet nowhere in the message above, quoted so > you can read what you wrote in the first place, doesn't once mention > the word "clean". Yes I see you wrote "... don't work and machines > that run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1..", *that* I > understood. Nowhere did you mention clean. Perhaps if you'd like a > little help you could drop the attitude please? > I did not mention it because it does not matter. I get the same error in both cases. You have not answered why I get the error about the setting up file systems. Here I copy the error again. The ACTUAL ERROR shown when I exit install is as follows: Entering Step "'Setup filesystems' error resetting /mnt/etc/mtab at usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 313 Is there ANY way to upgrade manually that is reasonable to do. I could boot to version 7 and do it if it is a reasonable thing to do.. I think you would have to agree that it is frustrating to buy the distribution and then not be able to use it when I was able to use the previous on the same machine. I can't do anything to help until I have it installed can I? > > I also keep losing my mouse after adding the things for Wheel Mouse. > > You never mentioned this before. Now we see one of the "problems" > you mention. Perhaps try downgrading your version of imwheel to the The wheel mouse works so poorly that it is not wroth bothering with at this time. It moves too far on each turn and there is no adjustment like there is in the intellimouse software under windows. It also only works in root. I don't think the user should have to go through so much to get something working that is supposed to work out of the box. If I were using the cooler version I could understand, but the distribution is at most a beta at this point. > do you mean by "losing my mouse"? Does it disappear? Does it > freezer in one spot on the screen? How do you correct the problem? > Do you reboot? Do you log out then back in to get it to work again? I mean there is no mouse cursor and I have no way to do anything in KDE that needs a mouse (almost everything) so I have to reboot and them it often comes back. I finally removed all of the configuration things for the wheel mouse and it seems ok now, another reason to forget about it. > Do you restart the X server and it works? > No as there is no way to do this when the gui is up and you have no mouse. That is another problem, Ctl Alt Backspace does not go to the shell, KDE comes back up, still no mouse. Even when the mouse is working the only way to get to the shell is to change the boot mode and reboot. > > it would be nice to have it work straight out of the box, I agree. > But is it really that difficult to tell Mandrake, during the install, But if you miss it during the install you are out of luck unless you know what to change it what configuration file. The documentation is hard to find if it exists for such tings. The help files should tell you exactly what to do with every config file. AIX which is the IBM version of UNIX is VERY good with this. I have used AIX and have very few problems. It is vastly superior to Linux. > > As far as the wheel mouse being setup automatically... is it > connected via PS/2 or USB? You have to remember that for a lot of It is a PS/2 mouse, that should work at the very least as it is the ubiquitous form of the mouse. > this hardware stuff, people have to reverse engineer drivers or write > their own in order to use them which makes Linux's compatability with > hardware sometimes tricky. Yes, it's gotten much better than it used This I understand but it makes it very tough on the users. > > > My desktop sucks. The ICON are partly hidden by the menu bar at the top. > > So? Move them! When I installed, it made links for every connected > device... CD-ROMs, ZIP drives, etc. I don't want those icons on my I do move them but the problem is they do not stay moved they just go back to the default place on the next boot. That needs to be fixed too. I certainly am not going to move them all every BOOT. Actually I found a refresh desktop fixes it up pretty well or moving the bar form the top down to the bottom, but it is sort t of frustrating and not well done. > > > > Many little things like this that do not happen in 7.0. I am pretty much > > ready to give up on 7.0 AND ON MANDRAKE if this does not > improve soon. It Actually I meant give up on 7.1. Version 7 probably will do all that I need. I am actually using it only to get familiar with it and not as my main OS. that will never happen at home at this rate. It is much more likely that Windows 2000 will fill that spot. If not, probably just stay with WIN98. > > While I agree that the beta testing period for 7.1 could have been > longer, my experiences with 7.1 do not lead me to the same degree of > That is certain. It should not have been released as a
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 06:10:59PM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote: > > > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had > > fallen in love > > > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > > > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and > > machines that > > > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is > > that crappy > > > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > > > > > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give > > out a beta > > > product. > > > > You must be somewhat mistaken. Perhaps you can give us some details > > so that we can improve the next version or perhaps tell you how to > > fix the problems you are having? > > > > OBVIOUSLY you did not read my problem. I cannot install (CLEAN) on a machine > that took 7.0 fine.. I did read your problem. Perhaps you should read it again. You say "cannot install (CLEAN)" yet nowhere in the message above, quoted so you can read what you wrote in the first place, doesn't once mention the word "clean". Yes I see you wrote "... don't work and machines that run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1..", *that* I understood. Nowhere did you mention clean. Perhaps if you'd like a little help you could drop the attitude please? > I also keep losing my mouse after adding the things for Wheel Mouse. You never mentioned this before. Now we see one of the "problems" you mention. Perhaps try downgrading your version of imwheel to the version used in 7.0? Does that solve this problem? I can't say for sure if it will or not, because I don't use a wheel mouse. And what do you mean by "losing my mouse"? Does it disappear? Does it freezer in one spot on the screen? How do you correct the problem? Do you reboot? Do you log out then back in to get it to work again? Do you restart the X server and it works? > Wheel mouse does not set up automatically. > You still have not found a way to get the correct amount of memory. I don't > have that problem with windows or anything else. Pretty lame to have 256 > megs and the OS thins you have 64. > My BIOS reports correctly, maybe there is problem in the program report but > on my startup it shows correctly and none of the windows install ha a > problem with it. Yes, I've experienced this as well. One machine reports 64MB with 256MB installed. Another with 192MB installed is detected just fine. Another with 128MB installed works just fine. I think you'll find that Mandrake is not the only distribution with this problem. Yes, it would be nice to have it work straight out of the box, I agree. But is it really that difficult to tell Mandrake, during the install, what size your memory is? It does set it up properly after that so you don't need to change anything in /etc/lilo.conf in order for you to recognize all that memory. It's one little step, and hardly something worth crying over, and I'm sure it will be fixed shortly. As far as the wheel mouse being setup automatically... is it connected via PS/2 or USB? You have to remember that for a lot of this hardware stuff, people have to reverse engineer drivers or write their own in order to use them which makes Linux's compatability with hardware sometimes tricky. Yes, it's gotten much better than it used to be, but some areas, particularly newer technologies, still have some difficulties. These are all things being worked on, as hardware support is important and everyone knows this. If these things do not work "out of the box" there typically is a reason, and not just that someone feels like making you miserable. > My desktop sucks. The ICON are partly hidden by the menu bar at the top. So? Move them! When I installed, it made links for every connected device... CD-ROMs, ZIP drives, etc. I don't want those icons on my desktop so I delete them. You know, you *can* drag those icons whereever you like. Also, if you click on the little arrows at either end of the menu bar, the menu dissapears. Are your icons still covered then? > Many little things like this that do not happen in 7.0. I am pretty much > ready to give up on 7.0 AND ON MANDRAKE if this does not improve soon. It > is obviously tested but not enough. There a re TOO MANY people here having > problems. You must not read them all. You have to understand that programs have been updated since 7.0. Some work differently from how they used to. This is called change, progress, whatever you want to call it. I also think you should pay more attention to what you write... I thought you said 7.0 was good? Why do you want to "give up on 7.0" all of a sudden? And yes, I read the problems on this mailing list. Updates have been provided for the more severe problems, and anyone can feel free to upgrade any package from cooker where a lot of the smaller problems or annoyances have been fixed. While I agree that the beta testing period for 7.1 could have been longer, my experie
RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
> -Original Message- > From: Vincent Danen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem > > > On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 05:24:53PM -0400, Sarang Lakare wrote: > > > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had > fallen in love > > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and > machines that > > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is > that crappy > > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > > > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give > out a beta > > product. > > You must be somewhat mistaken. Perhaps you can give us some details > so that we can improve the next version or perhaps tell you how to > fix the problems you are having? > OBVIOUSLY you did not read my problem. I cannot install (CLEAN) on a machine that took 7.0 fine.. I also keep losing my mouse after adding the things for Wheel Mouse. Wheel mouse does not set up automatically. You still have not found a way to get the correct amount of memory. I don't have that problem with windows or anything else. Pretty lame to have 256 megs and the OS thins you have 64. My BIOS reports correctly, maybe there is problem in the program report but on my startup it shows correctly and none of the windows install ha a problem with it. My desktop sucks. The ICON are partly hidden by the menu bar at the top. Many little things like this that do not happen in 7.0. I am pretty much ready to give up on 7.0 AND ON MANDRAKE if this does not improve soon. It is obviously tested but not enough. There a re TOO MANY people here having problems. You must not read them all. > Yes, the upgrade takes way too long. I think everyone knows and > agress on that. But I don't understand the rest of it.. what > hardware are you using? What type of system? What type of install? > Most importantly, what are the problems you are having? Blanket > statements of this type do no one any good. > > FYI, I have installed 7.1 on three machines that used to run 7.0 and > in all instances 7.1 is working flawlessly. I didn't perform an AGAING , check my probvlems. Works on one and not on the other. Current Linux uptime: 10 days 15 hours 8 minutes. This is a useless statistic if it is not doing what you want, AND if you can't install in the first place. I have kept WIN98 OF ALL THINGS up longer than that.
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
PjWhy do you think that Linux Mandrake 7.1 is a pre-release version? Linux Mandrake 7.1 was released back on June 6th. Alan Pj wrote: > > Why do you think software is tested before it is released for sale? > > Don't complain if you don't know the difference between a stable version > and a distro still in testing. And, please don't call Mdk buggy because you > don't know how to install a pre-release version. I don't know how to > install it either.. but I'm not trying. BTW, Mandrake includes KDE in every > release. If you don't like it there are several other XWindow Managers > available for your viewing pleasure. > > Pj > > At 05:24 PM 7/20/00 -0400, you wrote: > >this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love > >with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > >comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that > >run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy > >upgrade to 7. which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > > >wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta > >product. > > > >-sarang > > > > > >
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 05:24:53PM -0400, Sarang Lakare wrote: > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta > product. You must be somewhat mistaken. Perhaps you can give us some details so that we can improve the next version or perhaps tell you how to fix the problems you are having? Yes, the upgrade takes way too long. I think everyone knows and agress on that. But I don't understand the rest of it.. what hardware are you using? What type of system? What type of install? Most importantly, what are the problems you are having? Blanket statements of this type do no one any good. FYI, I have installed 7.1 on three machines that used to run 7.0 and in all instances 7.1 is working flawlessly. I didn't perform an upgrade (did that once before, took way too long as you say), but clean installs on each machine work just fine, so perhaps some detail would help us to help you solve your install problems. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net Freezer Burn BBS: telnet://bbs.freezer-burn.org . ICQ: 54924721 Webmaster for the Linux Portal Site Freezer Burn: http://www.freezer-burn.org Current Linux uptime: 10 days 15 hours 8 minutes.
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
Civileme, Denis, et al... Gentlemen, the real problem, in my humble opinion, with LM7.1 is the newly acquired functionality to set up UDMA right out of the box. I undestand the nature of the problem. It would seem that the sloppy coding done by hard drive makers has finally become our bane. While upgrading to a newer OS on a machine with i686 codes has caused us to be painfully aware of our hard drive shortcomings, we must still find a solution somehow. I tried installing LM7.1 on four different hard drives, and it was a four strike failure. All error messages reading "failure to find IDE device" were pretty much the main result. These were standard hard drives, two Western Digital, one Seagate, and one Toshiba. All of these were the ATA66 type. The WD's were with the VIA Apollo Pro bus chip. The Toshiba was with the Intel 440 bus chip, and the Seagate had Intel 810 chip set. What gives? More importantly, has this issure been discussed amongst the Mandrake engineers? What do you suggest as a work around, and what provisions are being made to avoid this issue in future versions? I think, by far, your LM7.02 is superior to any other distro on the market, and I will continue to use it. I do hope we can come to some resolution in the near future. Yes, this seems to be hardware related but if we wait for hardware makers to take us Linux people serious, we may be waiting an interminably long time.. Thanks for your attention, Craig Woods Sarang Lakare wrote: > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta > product. > > -sarang
RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
Read my post and you will see. It is in this thread earlier. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Swain > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 4:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem > > > Sarang, > What kind of problems are you having? I have found 7.1 to be a nice > experience so far. The applications and the installation are much more > cohesive and organized than any previous version. Infact, out of > the box, 7.1 > required less time and customization than any dist. I have used. > I am sorry > that your experience hasn't been as joyous, but for me 7.1 has just > exemplified all the reasons that Mandrake is the dist of choice > for me and > our LUG. > > Sarang Lakare wrote: > > > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had > fallen in love > > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and > machines that > > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is > that crappy > > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > > > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give > out a beta > > product. > > > > -sarang >
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
Why do you think software is tested before it is released for sale? Don't complain if you don't know the difference between a stable version and a distro still in testing. And, please don't call Mdk buggy because you don't know how to install a pre-release version. I don't know how to install it either.. but I'm not trying. BTW, Mandrake includes KDE in every release. If you don't like it there are several other XWindow Managers available for your viewing pleasure. Pj At 05:24 PM 7/20/00 -0400, you wrote: >this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love >with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it >comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that >run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy >upgrade to 7. which takes a whole day to upgrade! > >wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta >product. > >-sarang > > >
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
Sarang, What kind of problems are you having? I have found 7.1 to be a nice experience so far. The applications and the installation are much more cohesive and organized than any previous version. Infact, out of the box, 7.1 required less time and customization than any dist. I have used. I am sorry that your experience hasn't been as joyous, but for me 7.1 has just exemplified all the reasons that Mandrake is the dist of choice for me and our LUG. Sarang Lakare wrote: > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade! > > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta > product. > > -sarang
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade! wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta product. -sarang
RE: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
More information on this error. I installed 7.0 and try to upgrade with 7.1 and I still get the error. Why would they be setting up filesystems in an upgrade in any case? The ACTUAL ERROR shown when I exit install is as follows: Entering Step "'Setup filesystems' error resetting /mnt/etc/mtab at usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 313 Is there ANY way to upgrade manually that is reasonable to do. I could boot to version 7 and do it if it is a reasonable thing to do.. BOY I hope they fix this! > -Original Message- > From: Gil Baron W0MN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:12 PM > To: AA/MandrakeExpert > Subject: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem > > > I am trying to install 7.1 on a second machine. > I get at the Setup Filesystems step > Error Unable to find a valid device to use to create a file system. Check > your hardware ... > > The only problem is that I have a file system. it was created with PM and > has nothing on it and PM says no errors on the drive.. > > THE BIGGER PROBLEM is that it WORKS PERFECTLY with version 7.0. > > I don't understand this at all. It is a situation that shows Mandrake has > done nothing but regression with version 7.1 > > DO NOT BUY IT! > > Maybe I am missing something here. If 7.0 installs then 7.1 should also > install, no? > > > -- > Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/ > 44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27 > "Hierro candente, batir de repente" >
