Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 Final : Still 2 apps that won't run fromdesktop applink
I'm using kde 2.1 beta 2. The way I get mine is to create an application by running kmenuedit from a command line. In that application I have run from a terminal. Then I associate word perfect files with by right clicking on a word perfect file and editing file type - again making sure the run in terminal box is checked. David Boles wrote: > > To get WordPerfect 8 to load I had to write a bash script that contains the > line that you type at the command prompt. I had the KDE.link call the script. I > have NO idea why this works here but it is an old DOS type of thing to do. > > -Original Message - > From: Sujeet Bhatt > To: Mandrake Expert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:01:26 -0600 > Subject: Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 Final : Still 2 apps that won't run from desktop > applink > > > On Wednesday 07 March 2001 17:26, George Czerw declaimed unto the faithful: > > > Beginning with KDE 2.1 Beta 2, I have 2 applications that will NOT > > > launch from any KDE applink or menu entry that I create, and I can't > > > figure out why they won't launch, because if I enter the identical > > > command line from inside a (bash) terminal window WILL launch either > > > application. > > > > > > I had hoped that KDE 2.1 final would resolve this issue, but it has > > > not. > > > > > > The first app is: Corel WordPerfect 8 , which normally launches by > > > entering: > > > /usr/share/wordperfect/wpbin/xwp > > > > > > > > > > I have had the same problem with wordperfect. Let me know if you find a > > solution. > > > > Sujeet > > > > > > > > -- > > David Boles > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > My GnuPG Key ID: 78A3ABD0
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 Final : Still 2 apps that won't run from desktop applink
To get WordPerfect 8 to load I had to write a bash script that contains the line that you type at the command prompt. I had the KDE.link call the script. I have NO idea why this works here but it is an old DOS type of thing to do. -Original Message - From: Sujeet Bhatt To: Mandrake Expert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:01:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 Final : Still 2 apps that won't run from desktop applink > On Wednesday 07 March 2001 17:26, George Czerw declaimed unto the faithful: > > Beginning with KDE 2.1 Beta 2, I have 2 applications that will NOT > > launch from any KDE applink or menu entry that I create, and I can't > > figure out why they won't launch, because if I enter the identical > > command line from inside a (bash) terminal window WILL launch either > > application. > > > > I had hoped that KDE 2.1 final would resolve this issue, but it has > > not. > > > > The first app is: Corel WordPerfect 8 , which normally launches by > > entering: > > /usr/share/wordperfect/wpbin/xwp > > > > > > I have had the same problem with wordperfect. Let me know if you find a > solution. > > Sujeet > > > -- David Boles [EMAIL PROTECTED] My GnuPG Key ID: 78A3ABD0
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 Final : Still 2 apps that won't run from desktop applink
On Wednesday 07 March 2001 17:26, George Czerw declaimed unto the faithful: > Beginning with KDE 2.1 Beta 2, I have 2 applications that will NOT > launch from any KDE applink or menu entry that I create, and I can't > figure out why they won't launch, because if I enter the identical > command line from inside a (bash) terminal window WILL launch either > application. > > I had hoped that KDE 2.1 final would resolve this issue, but it has > not. > > The first app is: Corel WordPerfect 8 , which normally launches by > entering: > /usr/share/wordperfect/wpbin/xwp > > I have had the same problem with wordperfect. Let me know if you find a solution. Sujeet
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Sunday 04 March 2001 09:50 am, Collins Richey wrote: > > run 'rpm --rebuilddb' and 'update-menus -v' > > Yep, that worked, at least partially. The KDE panel now has the > appropriate icons. > > Two further questions: > > 1. Where would I RTFM to know that this was needed? 'apropos menus', then 'man update-menus' > 2. rebuilddb is successful, but update menus goes into a wait after > displaying the message that it is rebuilding the enlightenment menus. > Since I don't really care about enlightenment, I CTL-C'd out of the > update after about 20 minutes of no activity. It's always stuck, just hit -- Dale Earnhardt, the greatest stock car driver ever, he's won his 8th and His Greatest Championship Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Another reason I love linux, I can have my point and click environment, and my commandline too. On Sunday 04 March 2001 06:55 am, Mark Weaver wrote: > you use gFTP to grab'em from the mirror then put them in their own dir > on your hard drive, when they're all done open a terminal window and > using command line RPM install the suckers to your system. Ya just gotta > love command line.
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Update-menus normally takes only a minute or so to run. What you want to do is hit after it _appears_ to hang. I don't know why this is (sigh...) M. On Sunday 04 March 2001 07:50, Collins Richey wrote: > On Sunday 04 March 2001 06:09, you wrote: > > On Saturday 03 March 2001 09:19 pm, Collins Richey wrote: > > > >create a directory to d/l the rpms to, then paste the URL with > > > > *.rpms added into nt (Webdownloader) or your favorite other. eg, > > > > ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586/k > > > >de -2.1 /*.rpm When the d/l is complete, cd to that dir, su to root > > > > and 'rpm -Uvh *' > > > > > > I followed these instructions, but there is more. > > > > > > 4. The panel is present, but most of the icons have the gearwheel > > > (generic icon) instead of the expected icon. > > > > run 'rpm --rebuilddb' and 'update-menus -v' > > Yep, that worked, at least partially. The KDE panel now has the > appropriate icons. > > Two further questions: > > 1. Where would I RTFM to know that this was needed? > 2. rebuilddb is successful, but update menus goes into a wait after > displaying the message that it is rebuilding the enlightenment menus. > Since I don't really care about enlightenment, I CTL-C'd out of the update > after about 20 minutes of no activity. -- Michael O'Henly TENZO Design
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Sunday 04 March 2001 06:09, you wrote: > On Saturday 03 March 2001 09:19 pm, Collins Richey wrote: > > >create a directory to d/l the rpms to, then paste the URL with > > > *.rpms added into nt (Webdownloader) or your favorite other. eg, > > > ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586/kde > > >-2.1 /*.rpm When the d/l is complete, cd to that dir, su to root and > > > 'rpm -Uvh *' > > > > I followed these instructions, but there is more. > > > > 4. The panel is present, but most of the icons have the gearwheel > > (generic icon) instead of the expected icon. > > run 'rpm --rebuilddb' and 'update-menus -v' Yep, that worked, at least partially. The KDE panel now has the appropriate icons. Two further questions: 1. Where would I RTFM to know that this was needed? 2. rebuilddb is successful, but update menus goes into a wait after displaying the message that it is rebuilding the enlightenment menus. Since I don't really care about enlightenment, I CTL-C'd out of the update after about 20 minutes of no activity. -- Thanks, Collins Richey Denver Area
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Sunday 04 March 2001 08:02, Mark Weaver wrote: > > Ya know...it just doesn't feel right without Chris. Anyone know how to > get in touch with him? I'm still here and reading the lists. If anyone has a question, just ask. Just a change in email addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -Chris -- New England Business Services, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] 860-956-9408 / 860-798-7032 (cell)
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
I get this alot, all you have to do normally is log out and log back in -- Microsoft is not the answer, its the question. And the answer is no. www.badran.co.uk
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Saturday 03 March 2001 09:19 pm, Collins Richey wrote: > >create a directory to d/l the rpms to, then paste the URL with > > *.rpms added into nt (Webdownloader) or your favorite other. eg, > > ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586/kde > >-2.1 /*.rpm When the d/l is complete, cd to that dir, su to root and > > 'rpm -Uvh *' > I followed these instructions, but there is more. > 4. The panel is present, but most of the icons have the gearwheel > (generic icon) instead of the expected icon. run 'rpm --rebuilddb' and 'update-menus -v' -- Dale Earnhardt, the greatest stock car driver ever, he's won his 8th and His Greatest Championship Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Sat Mar 03 2001 23:19, You wrote: > > 4. The panel is present, but most of the icons have the gearwheel (generic > icon) instead of the expected icon. > try doing as root and from console: rpm -i --rebuilddb update-menus -v -- Atentamente, Pedro Del Medico P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #144076
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Marc Siegel wrote: > > > KDE 2.1 final binary RPMs for Mandrake 7.2 are now in the > > mandrake-devel/unsupported/KDE-2.1 directory on the mirrors. > > > > I wish I knew who to give credit to for this work ... > > > > I am glad they are in a subdirectory of their own; it makes updating > > so easy. > > How does this make updating easy? What program do you use to upgrade? > > -Marc > > -- > Why would anyone want to be called "Later"? Marc, you use gFTP to grab'em from the mirror then put them in their own dir on your hard drive, when they're all done open a terminal window and using command line RPM install the suckers to your system. Ya just gotta love command line. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Ron Stodden wrote: > > Marc Siegel wrote: > > > > > KDE 2.1 final binary RPMs for Mandrake 7.2 are now in the > > > mandrake-devel/unsupported/KDE-2.1 directory on the mirrors. > > > > > > I wish I knew who to give credit to for this work ... > > > > > > I am glad they are in a subdirectory of their own; it makes updating > > > so easy. > > > > How does this make updating easy? What program do you use to upgrade? > > If you just want to upgrade KDE and nothing else you just navigate to > this subdirectory, open a terminal there (^T) and run rpm -Uvh > *.rpm.QED! > > Without the subdirectory, you would have to manually extract all the > relevant RPMs (how to tell?) into a work directory first. This is > error-prone, > > rpm must be given all the RPMs to install in one hit - that's the > only way to get the mutual dependencies properly organised. > > -- > Regards, > > Ron. [au] Ya know...it just doesn't feel right without Chris. Anyone know how to get in touch with him? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Saturday 03 March 2001 11:26, you wrote: > On Saturday 03 March 2001 11:58 am, Marc Siegel wrote: > > > KDE 2.1 final binary RPMs for Mandrake 7.2 are now in the > > > mandrake-devel/unsupported/KDE-2.1 directory on the mirrors. > > > I wish I knew who to give credit to for this work ... > > > I am glad they are in a subdirectory of their own; it makes > > > updating so easy. > > > > How does this make updating easy? What program do you use to upgrade? > >create a directory to d/l the rpms to, then paste the URL with > *.rpms added into nt (Webdownloader) or your favorite other. eg, > ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586/kde-2.1 >/*.rpm When the d/l is complete, cd to that dir, su to root and 'rpm -Uvh *' FYI, I followed these instructions, but there is more. 1. On my 7.2 system (installed development system from ISO images), the following dependencies are missing. pciutils, ppp, apmd, autoconf, automake, enscript, gettext, libjpeg-devel, m4 I downloaded these from rpmfind and tried again. 2. With all dependencies satisfied, there were several remaining conflicts between 2.1 and 2.0 packages, so I had to use --force. 3. after telinit 5, kde 2.1 came up ok. 4. The panel is present, but most of the icons have the gearwheel (generic icon) instead of the expected icon. 5. I've only tried konqueror and kmail at this point, but these seem to be ok. -- Thanks, Collins Richey Denver Area
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Marc Siegel wrote: > > > KDE 2.1 final binary RPMs for Mandrake 7.2 are now in the > > mandrake-devel/unsupported/KDE-2.1 directory on the mirrors. > > > > I wish I knew who to give credit to for this work ... > > > > I am glad they are in a subdirectory of their own; it makes updating > > so easy. > > How does this make updating easy? What program do you use to upgrade? If you just want to upgrade KDE and nothing else you just navigate to this subdirectory, open a terminal there (^T) and run rpm -Uvh *.rpm.QED! Without the subdirectory, you would have to manually extract all the relevant RPMs (how to tell?) into a work directory first. This is error-prone, rpm must be given all the RPMs to install in one hit - that's the only way to get the mutual dependencies properly organised. -- Regards, Ron. [au]
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Saturday 03 March 2001 11:58 am, Marc Siegel wrote: > > KDE 2.1 final binary RPMs for Mandrake 7.2 are now in the > > mandrake-devel/unsupported/KDE-2.1 directory on the mirrors. > > I wish I knew who to give credit to for this work ... > > I am glad they are in a subdirectory of their own; it makes > > updating so easy. > How does this make updating easy? What program do you use to upgrade? create a directory to d/l the rpms to, then paste the URL with *.rpms added into nt (Webdownloader) or your favorite other. eg, ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586/kde-2.1/*.rpm When the d/l is complete, cd to that dir, su to root and 'rpm -Uvh *' -- Dale Earnhardt, the greatest stock car driver ever, he's won his 8th and His Greatest Championship Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
> KDE 2.1 final binary RPMs for Mandrake 7.2 are now in the > mandrake-devel/unsupported/KDE-2.1 directory on the mirrors. > > I wish I knew who to give credit to for this work ... > > I am glad they are in a subdirectory of their own; it makes updating > so easy. How does this make updating easy? What program do you use to upgrade? -Marc -- Why would anyone want to be called "Later"?
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Alan Shoemaker wrote: > Ron/everybodyyou can find the below announcement in a > README file on the KDE ftp site at: > > >http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/Mandrake/7.2/ No go. This space is empty. > The KDE packages for Linux-Mandrake 7.2 are still under > preparation > and testing. They should be available by Wednesday 07-March. > Sorry for the delay - we do want them well-working and > well-tested :) > > Note that packages for cooker (the development version of > Mandrake-8.0) > are already available, in the cooker mirrors. Do not use them > with > Mandrake 7.2. KDE 2.1 final binary RPMs for Mandrake 7.2 are now in the mandrake-devel/unsupported/KDE-2.1 directory on the mirrors. I wish I knew who to give credit to for this work ... I am glad they are in a subdirectory of their own; it makes updating so easy. -- Regards, Ron. [au]
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Ron Stodden wrote: > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various distributions > was promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is no sign > of the KDE 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where will it > appear? Ron/everybodyyou can find the below announcement in a README file on the KDE ftp site at: http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/Mandrake/7.2/ The KDE packages for Linux-Mandrake 7.2 are still under preparation and testing. They should be available by Wednesday 07-March. Sorry for the delay - we do want them well-working and well-tested :) Note that packages for cooker (the development version of Mandrake-8.0) are already available, in the cooker mirrors. Do not use them with Mandrake 7.2. David Faure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David Baudens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Alan
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Ron Stodden wrote: > > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various distributions was > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is no sign of the KDE > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where will it appear? > If you don't mind doing a rpm --rebuild, you can get KDE 2.1 out of the MDK cooker SRPM dept. http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/ They have built ones in the i586 directory, but since MDK 8.0 uses a newer glibc, I doubt they'll work unmolested on MDK <= 7.2. And for someone in this thread them metioned MDK 7.3, it's 8.0 that's up and coming. -- Woody ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- Gatewood Green Web Developer http://www.linux.org/ The first stop for Linux info on the Net Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- All opinions expressed by me are my own and not necessarily endorsed by Linux Online, Inc. or Linux Headquarters, Inc.
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
> I completely understand what you're saying, but unless the creators of > Netscape and those responsible for maintaining and changing it decide to > write it to do the things being suggested in this thread it's not going Oh...you're just saying "That's the way it is, deal with it." Well, you're right on that score. I thought the original post was after a fully-functional Konquerer which may solve some of these problems. Personally, I'd love to dump Netscape and would do so in a heatbeat as it's a mess of a program but for all its leaks and such it's still the most stable browser we have. > had Messenger to run flawlessly for better then 10 hours without a > problem. The browser, on the other hand, is a different story. That This has been my experience as well. > Maybe what needs to happen to the browsers is what has made Linux the OS > that it is. Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing Netscape being written I think there's some logic in believing that a browser, tightly integrated with a filemanager that is part of a desktop suite, may move us in that direction. My guess is that the move is going to happen with potholes in the road :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Tuesday 27 February 2001 08:41, Cecil Watson wrote: > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/M >andrake/7.2/ I'm there now - it's empty :( -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Larry Marshall wrote: > > > While I understand this to be a desire of many who use the browsers in > > this manner, I don't understand "why" this is. The browser was never > > designed to do such a thing. Why would one want it to? Why not just kill > > Mark...look at what Konquerer is doing and think about the question > you just asked. Think about Mickeysoft's argument that the browser > needs to be part of the operating system and think about the question > you've just asked. The short answer to your question is that the > division between what's local and what's being gotten from the web is > blurring. > > I'm one of those 24/7 guys. I receive email constantly. I often > receive a radio feed through the web. I use the web to check all > sorts of stuff in real time as part of my work. > > > the browser now and then, dump the cache and restart the browser. Since > > linux memory management is already good enough to handle running > > Putting these two things together seems illogical to me. We all use > Linux because we don't have to reboot it all the time as we do the > alternative. Why should we be happy killing applications and > restarting them any more than the entire operating system? Extend > your logic to your print server. Do you want to have to kill/restart > it twice a day? What about X? Would you be happy restarting that a > couple times a day? To those of us who use the web a lot, these > things are no more extreme than what you're suggesting should be a > matter of course. > > Cheers --- Larry Larry, I completely understand what you're saying, but unless the creators of Netscape and those responsible for maintaining and changing it decide to write it to do the things being suggested in this thread it's not going to happen. It wasn't, at it's foundation, designed to do this. That's what I was attempting to say. I can appreciate your situation, and I've had Messenger to run flawlessly for better then 10 hours without a problem. The browser, on the other hand, is a different story. That critter needs to be flushed now and then and the more content pumped through the more often this needs to happen. It's been suggested that the C++/JAVA mix that makes up Netscape is part of the problem. While JAVA offers great error checking this isn't being done; The app leaks into memory like crazy creating lots of problems for the OS and other applications. As it is now expecting "any" of the current browsers on the market, both free and paid-for, to do what Linux does isn't realistic. Maybe what needs to happen to the browsers is what has made Linux the OS that it is. Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing Netscape being written completely in C/C++ and have NO "compiled at runtime" JAVA in the program at all. Sure would speed things up a bit and might stop a lot of the leaks too. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
Re: Reloading browsers [Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final]
No kidding, reminds me of the NT "user adjustment" that required a reboot every 45 days. Sheeez, the only adjustment a user should have to make, is to upgrade periodically as the developers squish bugs (ie this one). --- Pierre Fortin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark, > > [At the risk of starting a thread that won't die...] > > With all due respect, your comments really puzzle me... especially in a > Linux > forum... Extending your argument, why was it ever necessary to make > Linux so > reliable? Users could just "dump and restart" it too... > > Just as I hate reboots, especially unplanned ones (including power which > is why > all my systems are on UPSs), I too hate browser crashes/restarts. > > "Why"...? > > Because it destroys my workflow, negatively affects my thought patterns > and > forces a [partial] cranial restart too (lost time). Many of us have > multiple > browser windows open because we too are multitasking. By your argument, > why > bother having business meetings that build on the previous meetings; > just "dump > and restart" all the data, knowledge and decisions as one goes from > meeting to > meeting... > > Linux, and almost every other non-M$ OS, have over the years proven that > OS > crashes are unnecessary and that crash avoidance actually improves > productivity; > why should that not apply to applications too...? I suspect you've > never had a > browser crash while in the middle of a stock trade during a volatile > trading > day... many of us have. > > And NO! I don't think it is responsible of developers to expect the > user to > make "adjustments" just because they can't get it right. In fact, this > does > *not scale*... every bug or misfeature which requires user awareness, > *multiply* reduces productivity, *multiply* impacts thought processes, > etc. etc. > > We don't need, nor want unplanned application restarts any more than we > want OS > reboots. > > Hope that answers your "why"... :^) > > Regards, > Pierre > > PS: I'm retired and still feel this way... Why? 'cuz my life > expectancy is > surely now shorter than yours... :^) > > > Mark Weaver wrote: > > > > While I understand this to be a desire of many who use the browsers in > > this manner, I don't understand "why" this is. The browser was never > > designed to do such a thing. Why would one want it to? Why not just > kill > > the browser now and then, dump the cache and restart the browser. > Since > > linux memory management is already good enough to handle running > > non-stop without trouble it would appear that users, rather then the > > software would have to make an adjustment here. > > > > Mark > > > > Bill Barnes wrote: > > > > > > Well, part of the rush is for what is hoped to be an > > > acceptable browser. > > > > > > Opera, Netscape6, Netscape 4.76 inevitably crash about > > > the time you get a decent mix of websites up. I > > > expect the browser to be up 24/7. Maybe Konqueror > > > Final can do this. > > > > > > -Bill > = ^C quit :q exit ? help shit __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
> While I understand this to be a desire of many who use the browsers in > this manner, I don't understand "why" this is. The browser was never > designed to do such a thing. Why would one want it to? Why not just kill Mark...look at what Konquerer is doing and think about the question you just asked. Think about Mickeysoft's argument that the browser needs to be part of the operating system and think about the question you've just asked. The short answer to your question is that the division between what's local and what's being gotten from the web is blurring. I'm one of those 24/7 guys. I receive email constantly. I often receive a radio feed through the web. I use the web to check all sorts of stuff in real time as part of my work. > the browser now and then, dump the cache and restart the browser. Since > linux memory management is already good enough to handle running Putting these two things together seems illogical to me. We all use Linux because we don't have to reboot it all the time as we do the alternative. Why should we be happy killing applications and restarting them any more than the entire operating system? Extend your logic to your print server. Do you want to have to kill/restart it twice a day? What about X? Would you be happy restarting that a couple times a day? To those of us who use the web a lot, these things are no more extreme than what you're suggesting should be a matter of course. Cheers --- Larry
Re: Reloading browsers [Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final]
Pierre Fortin wrote: > > Mark, > > [At the risk of starting a thread that won't die...] > > With all due respect, your comments really puzzle me... especially in a Linux > forum... Extending your argument, why was it ever necessary to make Linux so > reliable? Users could just "dump and restart" it too... Pierre, That's exactly my point. One IS Linux and was designed specifically to go 24/7 and the other is Netscape, a browser that runs inside the OS and was not designed to go 24/7. Linux was written and is being written to remain stable and usable under extreme conditions and long term use, whereas Netscape clearly was not. While there is plenty of reason to expect netscape to behave well enough to run at least 7-8 hours non-stop without choaking, clogging, or otherwise making a pain of itself, because of it's coding and lack of error checking it's not designed to do what Linux does without breaking a sweat. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
While I understand this to be a desire of many who use the browsers in this manner, I don't understand "why" this is. The browser was never designed to do such a thing. Why would one want it to? Why not just kill the browser now and then, dump the cache and restart the browser. Since linux memory management is already good enough to handle running non-stop without trouble it would appear that users, rather then the software would have to make an adjustment here. Mark Bill Barnes wrote: > > Well, part of the rush is for what is hoped to be an > acceptable browser. > > Opera, Netscape6, Netscape 4.76 inevitably crash about > the time you get a decent mix of websites up. I > expect the browser to be up 24/7. Maybe Konqueror > Final can do this. > > -Bill > > --- Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All in good time. what's the rush? > > > > -- > > Mark > > > > "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they > > end up being worthless," > > "Sharing is what makes them powerful." > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Ron Stodden wrote: > > > > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:33:42 +1100 > > > From: Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: Mandrake Expert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [expert] KDE 2.1 final > > > > > > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various > > distributions was > > > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > > > > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is > > no sign of the KDE > > > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > > > > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where > > will it appear? > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Reloading browsers [Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final]
Mark, [At the risk of starting a thread that won't die...] With all due respect, your comments really puzzle me... especially in a Linux forum... Extending your argument, why was it ever necessary to make Linux so reliable? Users could just "dump and restart" it too... Just as I hate reboots, especially unplanned ones (including power which is why all my systems are on UPSs), I too hate browser crashes/restarts. "Why"...? Because it destroys my workflow, negatively affects my thought patterns and forces a [partial] cranial restart too (lost time). Many of us have multiple browser windows open because we too are multitasking. By your argument, why bother having business meetings that build on the previous meetings; just "dump and restart" all the data, knowledge and decisions as one goes from meeting to meeting... Linux, and almost every other non-M$ OS, have over the years proven that OS crashes are unnecessary and that crash avoidance actually improves productivity; why should that not apply to applications too...? I suspect you've never had a browser crash while in the middle of a stock trade during a volatile trading day... many of us have. And NO! I don't think it is responsible of developers to expect the user to make "adjustments" just because they can't get it right. In fact, this does *not scale*... every bug or misfeature which requires user awareness, *multiply* reduces productivity, *multiply* impacts thought processes, etc. etc. We don't need, nor want unplanned application restarts any more than we want OS reboots. Hope that answers your "why"... :^) Regards, Pierre PS: I'm retired and still feel this way... Why? 'cuz my life expectancy is surely now shorter than yours... :^) Mark Weaver wrote: > > While I understand this to be a desire of many who use the browsers in > this manner, I don't understand "why" this is. The browser was never > designed to do such a thing. Why would one want it to? Why not just kill > the browser now and then, dump the cache and restart the browser. Since > linux memory management is already good enough to handle running > non-stop without trouble it would appear that users, rather then the > software would have to make an adjustment here. > > Mark > > Bill Barnes wrote: > > > > Well, part of the rush is for what is hoped to be an > > acceptable browser. > > > > Opera, Netscape6, Netscape 4.76 inevitably crash about > > the time you get a decent mix of websites up. I > > expect the browser to be up 24/7. Maybe Konqueror > > Final can do this. > > > > -Bill
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Well, part of the rush is for what is hoped to be an acceptable browser. Opera, Netscape6, Netscape 4.76 inevitably crash about the time you get a decent mix of websites up. I expect the browser to be up 24/7. Maybe Konqueror Final can do this. -Bill --- Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All in good time. what's the rush? > > -- > Mark > > "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they > end up being worthless," > "Sharing is what makes them powerful." > > > On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Ron Stodden wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:33:42 +1100 > > From: Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: Mandrake Expert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [expert] KDE 2.1 final > > > > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various > distributions was > > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is > no sign of the KDE > > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where > will it appear? > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
good one Bill. I bet you're systems administrator, aren't you? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Bill Barnes wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:33:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Bill Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [expert] KDE 2.1 final > > > Well, that's because the Linux community runs in > Sensitivity Severity Mode (SSM). That is, the more > desperate your needs the more likely a link or a > package will be broken. > > This is a mysterious sensing program that you will not > be able to trace, but it's been in the system for at > least 3 years, maybe longer. > > The only way to defeat it is to develop a perception > that what you wanted wasn't important after all. Do > not bang on the keyboard or curse the internet. That > simply demonstrates your desperation to the sensing > device. Also, don't attempt to skirt the link or > program, as this will be communicated to the SSM > system and the problem spreads. Go to the Microsoft > site to relieve the pressure. You can always find > something silly there. > > So to answer the question "when it will appear", it > will appear when it is there. > > LOL > > -Bill > > > > --- "Yacketta,Ronald J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > BUM link! > > > > there is nothing under either directory > > SRPMS and i586 directories are _empty_ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Cecil Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:41 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final > > > > > > > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/Ma > > ndrake/7.2/ > > > > Ron Stodden wrote: > > > > > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various > > distributions was > > > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > > > > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is > > no sign of the KDE > > > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > > > > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where > > will it appear? > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
All in good time. what's the rush? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Ron Stodden wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:33:42 +1100 > From: Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Mandrake Expert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [expert] KDE 2.1 final > > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various distributions was > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is no sign of the KDE > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where will it appear? > >
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Cecil Watson wrote: > > >http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/Mandrake/7.2/ Huh? 7.2/i586/ is an empty directory. Nothing there. -- Regards, Ron. [au]
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
I think this will be a short-lived policy, I think. KDE 2.1 is the sort of important enough component of a system that, unless a Mandrake 7.3 comes out soon, thousands of users will be installing it or switching distros or what-have-you. I imagine a support-KDE-latest-stable policy will emerge at any rate. On Tuesday 27 February 2001 08:10 pm, you wrote: > That's probably for the best. Currently Mandrake only supports what > gets released on "final" CD's and bug fixes released via > Mandrake-Update. Something like KDE2.1 would fall under the > "unsupported" category. This will probably continue until MandrakeSoft > can afford to support non-bugfix updates to their packages. > > "Yacketta,Ronald J" wrote: > > BUM link! > > > > there is nothing under either directory > > SRPMS and i586 directories are _empty_ > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Cecil Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:41 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final > > > > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm > >/Ma ndrake/7.2/ > > > > Ron Stodden wrote: > > > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various distributions was > > > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > > > > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is no sign of the KDE > > > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > > > > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where will it appear? -- Let him choose out of my files, his projects to accomplish. -- Shakespeare, "Coriolanus"
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
That's probably for the best. Currently Mandrake only supports what gets released on "final" CD's and bug fixes released via Mandrake-Update. Something like KDE2.1 would fall under the "unsupported" category. This will probably continue until MandrakeSoft can afford to support non-bugfix updates to their packages. "Yacketta,Ronald J" wrote: > BUM link! > > there is nothing under either directory > SRPMS and i586 directories are _empty_ > > -Original Message- > From: Cecil Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:41 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final > > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/Ma > ndrake/7.2/ > > Ron Stodden wrote: > > > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various distributions was > > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is no sign of the KDE > > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where will it appear? -- Digital Wokan, Tribal Mage of the Electronics Age Guerilla Linux Warrior
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 13:33 -0800, Bill Barnes wrote: > > Well, that's because the Linux community runs in > Sensitivity Severity Mode (SSM). That is, the more > desperate your needs the more likely a link or a > package will be broken. You may not know it because it reaches way back to when assembler code was chiseled into stone plates. It is the ancestor of what modern folks call the SSM. The name is Murphy's Law. It means that the rpms for KDE 2.1 will appear on the internet just 5 minutes after you went on a 3-week computer-free vacation to an area where nobody ever heard of the internet. wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
On Tuesday 27 February 2001 02:33 pm, Bill Barnes wrote: > Well, that's because the Linux community runs in > Sensitivity Severity Mode (SSM). That is, the more > desperate your needs the more likely a link or a > package will be broken. > > This is a mysterious sensing program that you will not > be able to trace, but it's been in the system for at > least 3 years, maybe longer. > > The only way to defeat it is to develop a perception > that what you wanted wasn't important after all. Do > not bang on the keyboard or curse the internet. That > simply demonstrates your desperation to the sensing > device. Also, don't attempt to skirt the link or > program, as this will be communicated to the SSM > system and the problem spreads. Go to the Microsoft > site to relieve the pressure. You can always find > something silly there. > > So to answer the question "when it will appear", it > will appear when it is there. > > LOL > > -Bill > > > > --- "Yacketta,Ronald J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > BUM link! > > > > there is nothing under either directory > > SRPMS and i586 directories are _empty_ > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Cecil Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:41 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final > > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/M >a > > > ndrake/7.2/ > > > > Ron Stodden wrote: > > > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various > > > > distributions was > > > > > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > > > > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is > > > > no sign of the KDE > > > > > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > > > > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where > > > > will it appear? > > __ It's already on one of the rsync mirrors I use: rsync://rsync.proxad.net/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/kde* -- Kelley Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
Well, that's because the Linux community runs in Sensitivity Severity Mode (SSM). That is, the more desperate your needs the more likely a link or a package will be broken. This is a mysterious sensing program that you will not be able to trace, but it's been in the system for at least 3 years, maybe longer. The only way to defeat it is to develop a perception that what you wanted wasn't important after all. Do not bang on the keyboard or curse the internet. That simply demonstrates your desperation to the sensing device. Also, don't attempt to skirt the link or program, as this will be communicated to the SSM system and the problem spreads. Go to the Microsoft site to relieve the pressure. You can always find something silly there. So to answer the question "when it will appear", it will appear when it is there. LOL -Bill --- "Yacketta,Ronald J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BUM link! > > there is nothing under either directory > SRPMS and i586 directories are _empty_ > > > -Original Message- > From: Cecil Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:41 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final > > > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/Ma > ndrake/7.2/ > > Ron Stodden wrote: > > > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various > distributions was > > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is > no sign of the KDE > > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where > will it appear? > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
BUM link! there is nothing under either directory SRPMS and i586 directories are _empty_ -Original Message- From: Cecil Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/Ma ndrake/7.2/ Ron Stodden wrote: > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various distributions was > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is no sign of the KDE > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where will it appear?
Re: [expert] KDE 2.1 final
http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/Mandrake/7.2/ Ron Stodden wrote: > KDE 2.1 final in binary form for the various distributions was > promised on the KDE site by Monday February 26. > > It is now 3.5 hours into Tuesday GMT and there is no sign of the KDE > 2.1 final update to Mandrake 7.2. > > Where is it? What is happening? When and where will it appear?
