Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-08 Thread Hoyt


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Subject: Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?


 Kirk McElhearn wrote:
 
  How do I know if I have this problem...?
 
 This problem arises because of the PC's BIOS PROM's inability to boot
 beyond cylinder 1023.  If you use a Boot Manager, and make sure it is
 located below cylinder 1024, then only this Boot Manager is ever
 booted by the BIOS.   The Boot Manager does the rest of the booting
 and if you choose a modern one then it has no 1024 cylinder or 8Gb
 limit in what it can boot.   Hooray!

And, again, if you use the nuni bootloader there is =no= BIOS limitation.

Hoyt

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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-07 Thread Kirk McElhearn

On 6/04/00 19:03, Brian T. Schellenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] is 
reported to have said:

IF you have the 1024-cylindar problem, though, you'll have to create
all the /boot paritions on the first install.

How do I know if I have this problem...?

Kirk



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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-07 Thread John Aldrich

On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, you wrote:
 On 6/04/00 19:03, Brian T. Schellenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] is 
 reported to have said:
 
 IF you have the 1024-cylindar problem, though, you'll have to create
 all the /boot paritions on the first install.
 
 How do I know if I have this problem...?

Will you be booting off an IDE drive? If so, chances are
you have this problem. Of course, SCSI drives have their
own problems -- you have to build support for your SCSI
card into the kernel.
John



Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-07 Thread Edward

On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, Kirk McElhearn wrote:

 On 6/04/00 19:03, Brian T. Schellenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] is 
 reported to have said:
 
 IF you have the 1024-cylindar problem, though, you'll have to create
 all the /boot paritions on the first install.
 
 How do I know if I have this problem...?
 
 Kirk

On my PC Linux sees the same number of cylinders as the BIOS (which is
different from the label on the drive).  Is this always the case?  If so you
only need to look at the BIOS settings.

Edward

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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-07 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger


Geez, man!  Read the post.

I answered that question in the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH of the same
posting!!

Here is my original post:
--


  Sure.  Whatever.

  You can create 'em ahead of time,
  create 'em on the first install, or
  create 'em as you go (just leave the end of the disk un-paritioned on
  the first install).

  IF you have the 1024-cylindar problem, though, you'll have to create
  all the /boot paritions on the first install.

  I'd probably FIRST do a test install on the disk where I had a dummy
  empty partition 1050 cylindars large, and install into / for the rest
  of the disk, with default options.

  If this one boots, then you know you don't have to worry about the 1024
  limit; if it fails, then you do.

  THEN proceed with either the simple approach or the complex one,
  depending on whether you have the 1024 problem or not.



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| On 6/04/00 19:03, Brian T. Schellenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] is 
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| 
| IF you have the 1024-cylindar problem, though, you'll have to create
| all the /boot paritions on the first install.
| 
| How do I know if I have this problem...?
| 
| Kirk
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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger


With regard to home directories, I've found it most useful to have
seperate /home partitions that hold all the config files and all that,
and a /home2 partition, which can be shared.

On this partition each user gets another directory that they own, and
then they can put "big" stuff that will be the same for each
distribution (like multimedia files, for instance) in their /home2 area
and make a symlink from /home to there.

It works for me; YMMV.

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RE: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Bill Shirley

I would suggest using the Ranish Partition Manager.  It is also a mutiple
boot loader.  And  it's free!

http://www.users.intercom.com/~ranish/part/

Hope this helps,
Bill

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Subject: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?


I am getting a new 20 gig HD this week, to add to my 4.3 gig HD.  I would
like to have Windoze on the 4.3, and use the 20 for multiple Linux
distributions (for testing and writing purposes).  Can this be done?  Can
I , say, have five 4 gig partitions, and put a different Linux on each
one?  If so, is there any special things to know when installing?  I
would ideally not want to use Lilo, but use a boot floppy for each
different distribution.  Will this work?

Thanks,

Kirk



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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Pj

I didn't see any support for Linux partitions, but then I did not read
the 'primer'.

Pj 

Bill Shirley wrote:
 
I would suggest using the Ranish Partition Manager.  It is also a
mutiple boot loader.  And  it's free!
http://www.users.intercom.com/~ranish/part/

Hope this helps,
Bill



Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Kirk McElhearn

On 6/04/00 7:21, Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reported to have 
said:

See what I mean?

I think I get it.  But how do I actually go about making the partitions?  
When I install Mandrake, I get a partitioner.  Do I do it all at that 
time?  (I am planning to do a clean Mandrake install as the first OS on 
the new disk.)  Or do I need to partition the HD before installing 
anything?

Can I run diskDrake from the current Mandrake installation (on the older 
HD) to partition the new disk?

Kirk



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RE: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Bill Shirley

Ranish Partition Manager does support Linux partitions.  I like the text
based boot manager best. It allows you to type the number of the partition
to boot or type zero to go directly into the partition manager.  Pretty easy
to use, also.  Just remember, when resizing a partition, to use the + and -
keys; it's easier that way.  It will copy data from  one partition to
another.  I believe it will boot partitions above the 1024 cyl. line. It has
instructions for booting Win9x and NT above the 1024 cyl. line.

If you're doing an install to a clean hard disk, I recommend downloading
Ranish,
unzipping to a floppy, booting the floppy, and configuring the boot manager
(text based)
in the space right after the Master Boot Record (uses about 500K) which is
usually unused
because all fdisk programs (MS and Linux) like to align partitions on a
cylinder boundary.
After installing the boot manager, you can use Ranish, DiskDrake, or any
other program to
define your Linux partitions.  You won't need lilo at all.

It should be easy enough to investigate now.  I think you will find it very
useful.  And
if you're hard disk is still clean, it won't be so scary to experiment with
it.

Hope this helps,
Bill


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Subject: Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?


I didn't see any support for Linux partitions, but then I did not read
the 'primer'.

Pj

Bill Shirley wrote:

I would suggest using the Ranish Partition Manager.  It is also a
mutiple boot loader.  And  it's free!
http://www.users.intercom.com/~ranish/part/

Hope this helps,
Bill




Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger


Sure.  Whatever.

You can create 'em ahead of time,
create 'em on the first install, or
create 'em as you go (just leave the end of the disk un-paritioned on
the first install).

IF you have the 1024-cylindar problem, though, you'll have to create
all the /boot paritions on the first install.

I'd probably FIRST do a test install on the disk where I had a dummy
empty partition 1050 cylindars large, and install into / for the rest
of the disk, with default options.

If this one boots, then you know you don't have to worry about the 1024
limit; if it fails, then you do.

THEN proceed with either the simple approach or the complex one,
depending on whether you have the 1024 problem or not.

On Thu, 06 Apr 2000, you wrote:
| On 6/04/00 7:21, Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reported to have 
| said:
| 
| See what I mean?
| 
| I think I get it.  But how do I actually go about making the partitions?  
| When I install Mandrake, I get a partitioner.  Do I do it all at that 
| time?  (I am planning to do a clean Mandrake install as the first OS on 
| the new disk.)  Or do I need to partition the HD before installing 
| anything?
| 
| Can I run diskDrake from the current Mandrake installation (on the older 
| HD) to partition the new disk?
| 
| Kirk
| 
| 
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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Matt Stegman

 I think I get it.  But how do I actually go about making the partitions?  
 When I install Mandrake, I get a partitioner.  Do I do it all at that 
 time?  (I am planning to do a clean Mandrake install as the first OS on 
 the new disk.)  Or do I need to partition the HD before installing 
 anything?

I'd suggest making the partitions ahead of time, for simplicity.  That
way, you'll know what you want to do before you start installing, and
won't have to deal with any inept install partitioning tools you might run
across.  Planning is good.

And you can use any partitioning tool you like- except for Microsoft
FDISK.EXE, because it doesn't understand anything outside of MS-Land.

-Matt Stegman
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RE: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Matt Stegman

On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Bill Shirley wrote:
 After installing the boot manager, you can use Ranish, DiskDrake, or
 any other program to define your Linux partitions.  You won't need
 lilo at all.

Don't you?  You still need something that will read into the ext2
filesystem and locate the kernel.  

LILO is also nice because it allows you to add "append=" strings, and
specify a runlevel for init.  Can you do this with other boot managers?

I know that you can keep LILO in the boot sector of the Linux partition,
and have the other boot manager load LILO, which loads the kernel, but can
the other boot managers actually load the kernel?

-Matt Stegman
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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Ron Stodden

Kirk McElhearn wrote:

 Or do I need to partition the HD before installing
 anything?

Good partitioning is so essential to the running of any multiple-OS
computer that it isn't worth taking any risks with (like tyres on a
car, and the battery in cold climates).

Partition Magic is mature, well known, and works well for all OSs and
file system types.  Ranish is only beta, Mandrake's partitioner is
too new (look at the history of bugs behind Partition Magic!).

The basic problem is that there is no ISO, or any other, standard or
organisation in charge of how disks should be partitioned - for
example, Windows traditionally builds the partition tables in start
cylinder number order, Unix/Linux traditionally builds them in
creation time order.  Fundamental ditfferences like that make
interworking catastrophic.  Because this whole area has just grown
like Topsy, it is not well designed, and has been much klooged over
the years to retain the required backwards compatibility.  Therefore
there are lots of gotchas. For a salutory education, just look at the
error message listing in the back of the Partition Magic manual!.  
Mandrake has not yet published the error messages for its
partitioner.

So, yes, set up your hard disks with a good multi-OS and
multi-file-system-type partitioner before you install.  The only one
I know that can be confidently trusted is Partition Magic.  Yes, it
does cost, but it's more than worth it.   

Partitioning is not just a one time job - you will be readjusting the
partitioning, say, monthly, as your space demands grow.

-- 

Regards,

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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-06 Thread Scott Sweeney

What I have typically done in the past is to make partitions for the 
first OS (typically Win95) and leave the rest of the disk 
unpartitioned. When I load the next OS, I partition specifically for 
that, and so on.  I give the most space to the primary OS, and less 
to the others.  That way, I don't have to worry about resizing 
partitions and losing data, since I am essentially working with a bare 
drive.  Of course that takes planning ahead of time.

-scott



On 7 Apr 00, at 10:54, Ron Stodden wrote:

 Kirk McElhearn wrote:
 
  Or do I need to partition the HD before installing
  anything?
 
 Good partitioning is so essential to the running of any multiple-OS
 computer that it isn't worth taking any risks with (like tyres on a
 car, and the battery in cold climates).
 
 Partition Magic is mature, well known, and works well for all OSs and
 file system types.  Ranish is only beta, Mandrake's partitioner is
 too new (look at the history of bugs behind Partition Magic!).
 
 The basic problem is that there is no ISO, or any other, standard or
 organisation in charge of how disks should be partitioned - for
 example, Windows traditionally builds the partition tables in start
 cylinder number order, Unix/Linux traditionally builds them in
 creation time order.  Fundamental ditfferences like that make
 interworking catastrophic.  Because this whole area has just grown
 like Topsy, it is not well designed, and has been much klooged over
 the years to retain the required backwards compatibility.  Therefore
 there are lots of gotchas. For a salutory education, just look at the
 error message listing in the back of the Partition Magic manual!.  
 Mandrake has not yet published the error messages for its
 partitioner.
 
 So, yes, set up your hard disks with a good multi-OS and
 multi-file-system-type partitioner before you install.  The only one
 I know that can be confidently trusted is Partition Magic.  Yes, it
 does cost, but it's more than worth it.   
 
 Partitioning is not just a one time job - you will be readjusting the
 partitioning, say, monthly, as your space demands grow.
 
 -- 
 
 Regards,
 
 Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.





Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread Matt Stegman

Absolutely.  With a disk that big, you may want to plan ahead.  Assuming
your computer isn't all kinds of cool (as in, able to boot past the 8GB
limit) you'll want to make all your /boot partitions at the beginning of
the disk, then your / (root) partitions, and maybe stick a single /home
partition in the middle, to be shared across the multiple installations.

It'll work better if you plan all this out beforehand, and make the
partitions before you install.  That way, you can just specify which
partition becomes what when you install.  In addition to sharing a /home
filesystem, you can also share a swap partition between installs.

Then, when you're done, you can setup a single LILO to boot all of
them.  It'll work if you just have each install LILO over the last one's
LILO (on the MBR of the drive), and then boot the last one to be installed
and fix LILO.  I've not seen an installation program that'll give you that
fine-grained control over the LILO setup.  You'll have to do it by hand,
unless you LIKE going through more than one boot prompt.

If you need more help, just ask.

-Matt Stegman
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Kirk McElhearn wrote:

 I am getting a new 20 gig HD this week, to add to my 4.3 gig HD.  I would 
 like to have Windoze on the 4.3, and use the 20 for multiple Linux 
 distributions (for testing and writing purposes).  Can this be done?  Can 
 I , say, have five 4 gig partitions, and put a different Linux on each 
 one?  If so, is there any special things to know when installing?  I 
 would ideally not want to use Lilo, but use a boot floppy for each 
 different distribution.  Will this work?




Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread Ron Stodden

Kirk,

Matt gives you good advice.

I strongly recommend using Partition Magic exclusively for all your
disk partitioning.

Set up the new disk as LBA in your BIOS, and make sure that your
choice of boot manager lets you boot over 8Gb (Boot Magic is OK and
comes with Partition Magic).  By using Boot Magic you won't need to
bother with  /boot partitions.  Make your Linux partitions hdb5, 6,
8, 9, with hdb7 your swap partition.  Depending upon your purpose, a
common home partition is often a good idea, but only for Linux
partitions sharing the same Linux distribution, and not for the first
time user.

Kirk McElhearn wrote:
 
 I am getting a new 20 gig HD this week, to add to my 4.3 gig HD.  I would
 like to have Windoze on the 4.3, and use the 20 for multiple Linux
 distributions (for testing and writing purposes).  Can this be done?  Can
 I , say, have five 4 gig partitions, and put a different Linux on each
 one?  If so, is there any special things to know when installing?  I
 would ideally not want to use Lilo, but use a boot floppy for each
 different distribution.  Will this work?

-- 

Regards,

Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.



Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread Marcos Dione

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Kirk McElhearn wrote:

 I am getting a new 20 gig HD this week, to add to my 4.3 gig HD.  I would 
 like to have Windoze on the 4.3, and use the 20 for multiple Linux 
 distributions (for testing and writing purposes).  Can this be done?  Can 
 I , say, have five 4 gig partitions, and put a different Linux on each 
 one?  If so, is there any special things to know when installing?  I 
 would ideally not want to use Lilo, but use a boot floppy for each 
 different distribution.  Will this work?

yes, it's possible. indeed, I have several linuxes in my home
computer. suse, caldera, corel, and mdk. furthermore, they share the same
swap partition. the only thig you should have in mind after instalation
is that you can't use lilo for this, because lilo is very acoplated with
the kernel. so, you'll have several kernels (one from each distro) but
just one lilo... this will cause problems.

so, either you use anoter thing to boot each linux (i'm using
ntloader, from windows nt) and you put each lilo in the boot sector of
each linux / or /boot partition (now that I think about, I have only one 
part for each linux, so I don't have to mind about this), either you use
the same kernel in all the linux you have... 

and maybe, you can share /root, /home and maybe /var/spool from
linux to lunix, just taking care of each one having the exactly same
/etc/passwd and /etc/shadow...

good luck

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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread Tom Berkley

Yes.
However, I would recommend only using 4 linux installations of less than
5 gb each. By the time you get done partitioning and formatting, you
will not have 20gb, more like 19gb. To take care of the lilo limitation
of having all the boot files in the first 1000 cylinders of the disk,
make your swap partition first, then one large extended partition with
the rest of the disk. Inside the extended partition you can create 4
16mb partitions for /boot which will keep all your boot files at the
front of the disk. Then you can divide up whats left into four
partitions for the rest of your system (/ files which is everything but
/boot) You could do a lot of other variations with partitions, one of
which is to create one partition for /home but that means that your
login config files will always be the same for each flavor of linux.
This is good for some, but if you want to play with different window
managers and other stuff like different X servers (accelerated X), then
do not try to keep a common /home partition. 

Also what are the models of each of the disks that you have. Both ide?

Tom

Kirk McElhearn wrote:
 
 I am getting a new 20 gig HD this week, to add to my 4.3 gig HD.  I would
 like to have Windoze on the 4.3, and use the 20 for multiple Linux
 distributions (for testing and writing purposes).  Can this be done?  Can
 I , say, have five 4 gig partitions, and put a different Linux on each
 one?  If so, is there any special things to know when installing?  I
 would ideally not want to use Lilo, but use a boot floppy for each
 different distribution.  Will this work?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Kirk
 
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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread John Aldrich

On Wed, 05 Apr 2000, you wrote:
 I am getting a new 20 gig HD this week, to add to my 4.3 gig HD.  I would 
 like to have Windoze on the 4.3, and use the 20 for multiple Linux 
 distributions (for testing and writing purposes).  Can this be done?  Can 
 I , say, have five 4 gig partitions, and put a different Linux on each 
 one?  If so, is there any special things to know when installing?  I 
 would ideally not want to use Lilo, but use a boot floppy for each 
 different distribution.  Will this work?
 
Well, it MAY be possible. But keep in mind that you'll need
to have the kernel FOR EACH DISTRO within the first 1024
cylinders of the hard drive.
John



Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread Alan Shoemaker

Kirkyes.

Alan


Kirk McElhearn wrote:
 
 I am getting a new 20 gig HD this week, to add to my 4.3 gig HD.  I would
 like to have Windoze on the 4.3, and use the 20 for multiple Linux
 distributions (for testing and writing purposes).  Can this be done?  Can
 I , say, have five 4 gig partitions, and put a different Linux on each
 one?  If so, is there any special things to know when installing?  I
 would ideally not want to use Lilo, but use a boot floppy for each
 different distribution.  Will this work?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Kirk
 
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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger


You could do that, but it's easier to just use lilo for all of them.

Lilo can boot any number of Linux partitions for you, so there's really
no need to use the boot floppies.

It's easy to do that; you can even have a single swap partition that
they all share and just use different / partitions for each of them if
you want.

There really aren't any special considerations in doing this, except
that it's probably easiest to just install LILO with the primary
distribution and then have the others use that same lilo.conf.

You can do this by having each other distribution mount that parition
to "/maindist" or something and then ln -s /etc/lilo.conf to
/maindist/etc/lilo.conf for the others.

On Wed, 05 Apr 2000, you wrote:
| I am getting a new 20 gig HD this week, to add to my 4.3 gig HD.  I would 
| like to have Windoze on the 4.3, and use the 20 for multiple Linux 
| distributions (for testing and writing purposes).  Can this be done?  Can 
| I , say, have five 4 gig partitions, and put a different Linux on each 
| one?  If so, is there any special things to know when installing?  I 
| would ideally not want to use Lilo, but use a boot floppy for each 
| different distribution.  Will this work?
| 
| Thanks,
| 
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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread M Thompson

Kirk,

I have my PC setup according to Tom's recommendations and it works great.  I 
created around six of these 16Mb partitions at the beginning of the 
disk...this way I can always add more Linux distros in the future.

Matt

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Subject: Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:17:38 -0700

Yes.
However, I would recommend only using 4 linux installations of less than
5 gb each. By the time you get done partitioning and formatting, you
will not have 20gb, more like 19gb. To take care of the lilo limitation
of having all the boot files in the first 1000 cylinders of the disk,
make your swap partition first, then one large extended partition with
the rest of the disk. Inside the extended partition you can create 4
16mb partitions for /boot which will keep all your boot files at the
front of the disk. Then you can divide up whats left into four
partitions for the rest of your system (/ files which is everything but
/boot) You could do a lot of other variations with partitions, one of
which is to create one partition for /home but that means that your
login config files will always be the same for each flavor of linux.
This is good for some, but if you want to play with different window
managers and other stuff like different X servers (accelerated X), then
do not try to keep a common /home partition.

Also what are the models of each of the disks that you have. Both ide?

Tom

Kirk McElhearn wrote:
 
  I am getting a new 20 gig HD this week, to add to my 4.3 gig HD.  I 
would
  like to have Windoze on the 4.3, and use the 20 for multiple Linux
  distributions (for testing and writing purposes).  Can this be done?  
Can
  I , say, have five 4 gig partitions, and put a different Linux on each
  one?  If so, is there any special things to know when installing?  I
  would ideally not want to use Lilo, but use a boot floppy for each
  different distribution.  Will this work?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Kirk
 
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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread Kirk McElhearn

On 5/04/00 17:17, Tom Berkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reported to have 
said:

Also what are the models of each of the disks that you have. Both ide?

Yes, they are both IDE.

Kirk



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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread Ron Stodden

M Thompson wrote:
 
 I have my PC setup according to Tom's recommendations and it works great.  I
 created around six of these 16Mb partitions at the beginning of the
 disk...this way I can always add more Linux distros in the future.

This mess is NOT necessary NOR what I advised you to do.

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Re: [expert] Multiple Linux systems on one hard disk?

2000-04-05 Thread Matt Stegman

 boot1
 boot2
 boot3
 boot4
 data1
 data2
 data3
 data4

Well, that was my idea.  With maybe a swap partition in the middle, or
better yet, on the other drive (for better performance).

As for knowing whether or not your computer can boot past 1024 cylinders,
I know of no better way than trial and error.

Ron made a good point: program versions may vary wildly between
distributions, so separate home directories may be better.  I'd do it,
just so that it's easier to work on a particular document without
rebooting, or remembering mount points.

Also, if you're not really doing much with Linux other than making a
preference, it's probably a good idea to not share any directories between
distributions.

Like I said earlier, you can use one LILO prompt to boot all 4.  It takes
a little extra work; you basically have to copy the "image=" sections from
the other three lilo.confs to one (we'll say the first
installation).  You'd also have to mount those /boot filesystems, so that
LILO can find the kernels when it installs itself.

Then, adjust the "root=" and image name, and you're done.
Envision a lilo.conf like so:

boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
prompt
timeout=100
image=/boot/vmlinuz
label=mdk
root=/dev/hdb9
read-only
image=/mnt/deb-boot/vmlinuz
label=deb
root=/dev/hdb10
read-only
image=/mnt/suse-boot/vmlinuz
label=suse
root=/dev/hdb11
read-only
image=/mnt/caldera-boot/vmlinuz
label=cal
root=/dev/hdb12
read-only
other=/dev/hda1
label=win
table=/dev/hda

See what I mean?

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