[FairfieldLife] Re: New Sat Yuga Drum Set
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Sat Yuga has arrived I've decide to get a new drum set (at least that's what I'm telling my wife). Pearl Masters BRX Fusion configuration, natural finish. I'll paradiddle in the new yuga. About 2K bucks? Well, right-left-right-right... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Haiku (was Jewish Haiku)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cute, but none of these have a kijo (season word) in them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kigo Handful of asters Sounds that give way to silence Where are the students? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Sat Yuga Drum Set
--- cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Sat Yuga has arrived I've decide to get a new drum set (at least that's what I'm telling my wife). Pearl Masters BRX Fusion configuration, natural finish. I'll paradiddle in the new yuga. About 2K bucks? Well, right-left-right-right... No. The shell pack is $1489, but that price is going to drop in a few weeks to $1200 for an e-mail special. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, other than one other response to this thread (the one who said his brother did it pre-TM 20 feet down the road or something like that), you are the very first person who I have ever heard of that has claimed to have witnessed first-hand actual levitation. As such, I feel compelled to ask you for much more detail to your experience, please. No problem. When did this happen? Dozens of times -- probably more like hundreds, actually -- over a 14-year period starting in 1981. Where? Actual city/state and location (i.e. house, ashram, type of room, etc.) Dozens of locations. The first time, in the Los Angeles Convention Center. In the buildings we were using for our weekly meetings. In the desert. Once in a Denny's in the dead of night when no customers or waiters were around. :-) Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. Who exactly did the levitating. Rama. Dr. Frederick Lenz. Crazy Fred. As far as I know, he never practiced any techniques to make it happen. As he explained it, he just woke up one day and remembered how to do it. Something from a past life. He never taught how to do it to any of his students, as far as I know. Was it photographed/videotaped and if not, why not? No, and I don't know why not. He didn't believe very much in trying to document any of the things he could do. His theory was that this stuff is hard enough to believe if it's happening right in front of your face in the same room you are in (a statement I can attest to the truth of). So who's going to believe a videotape? Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. What was the circumstances of the manifestation, that is, was it in front of many people, just yourself...was the lighting and the surroundings such that it couldn't be faked, etc. All the settings mentioned before, so setup or prep required. In the one at Denny's a bunch of us were sitting around one of those round tables at 4:00 in the morning and all the waitresses disappeared, probably to grab a quick cigarette in the kitchen, and he smiled and just lifted up off the naugahyde diner seat and hovered there for about 30 seconds, grinning to beat all. :-) I ask this because on my last trip to Las Vegas I visited one of those magic kiosks where they sell magic tricks and I actually saw a magician demonstate a trick that he was selling to the public in which he makes a coin levitate and spin right in front of you (and for the hell of it, I could NOT figure out how he did it but I DO know that it was some sort of magic technique and NOT actual levitation). My roommate during my last year with the TM organization was an airbrush artist who did costumes for Doug Henning. So Doug would come over to the house a lot and would show us some close-up magic. I know he was most famous for his big stage effects, but the man's real genius was with his close-up magic. I was two feet in front of him, able to move around and look at his hands from any angle I chose, and I still couldn't figure out how he did it. I will admit for the sake of intellectual openness that some trick could have been involved in what Rama did, but I honestly don't think there was any. The variety of the settings and the spontaneity with which he'd decide to do this stuff disallows any preparation or equipment. I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. Go figure. I still haven't fully figured it out myself. Personally I wasn't into studying with him for the flash and all the siddhis. I liked meditating with the guy. But the flash was interesting,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Vaj, however studied and clever he may be, is just not gonna beat out the tall (6' 4) Brazilian bombshell who was dancing in front of the stage tonight. Just not gonna happen. No offense, Vaj. :-) 6'4 may be fun to watch, but too tall for me. COmpassion and all that: they'd hurt their necks trying to kiss me, for instance. Whassamatta, you too proud to stand on a stool, fer pete's sake? Unc, I hate to tell you, BUT THAT'S A MAN, BABY! I can pretty much guarantee you that if it was a man, he had spent a great deal of money on cosmetic surgery. :-) Actually, I got to talk with her for quite a while. She was a swimsuit model from Rio who was taking a summer to bum around Europe. The musicians were friends of hers from back in Brazil, so she drove up from Montpelier to see them and dance. Very nice lady. She's young enough to be my granddaughter, so it wasn't like anything was going to happen, but we had a really fun conversation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] That's the element I would see as the next stage of the TM approach to Actually, from MMY's perspective, that's full-blown Unity. Floating during the Yogic FLying sutra practice would come WY before whenever he felt like it... 1. I don't believe that there is any link whatsoever between the siddhis and one's state of consciousness. Apples and oranges. 2. By whenever he felt like it, I was referring to being able to float without the use of any technique. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. snip Excellent points, Unc; many thanks. This post reminds me deeply of a number of personal extradimensional interactions, one of which involved four of us being instructed by luminous Pleaidian bliss- fields (subjectively, my higher self) to hold hands, dance in a circle, and lift off, which we did, as our bodies and the world dissolved into space. (I had had childhood dreams of doing this with other kids, and now suddenly realized they weren't really dreams at all.) After returning to earth amidst intense clarity and ectasy and a highly-charged, newly-luminous body, I couldn't figure out if this had really happened to us on the physical plane or not. It certainly didn't feel like any astral projection I had ever done, and there were *four* of us who had experienced this together, but still...? But the thought strongly came, don't even ask the question; Matter and Spirit are ONE! However, I strongly suspect that the state of consciousness of any theoretical observers would very much dictate what or how much of our levitation/dissolution they perceived. And as you say, while the phenomenon itself was mind-blowing, the real benefit was the healing and home-coming derived from the utterly delightful Pleaidian energy- field around it. Virtually all the other extradimensional interactions since then have shared this same quality of other- consciousness -- not precisely dream-state, not waking-state, but somehow a fusion of the two -- and always meeting seemingly-unusual beings as old friends, or relatives, or other-selves. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! S C A R E D of the S A C R E D :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
BTW, my wife asks what other French rock groups do you hate? Funny. That would, in fact, be kind of a recommendation. :-) I don't know enough about them to make recommendations as to either the ones I like or don't like. I tend to hear things on the radio and not notice who the artist was. Sorry. I'll try to pay more attention. Part of the problem is that I almost never listen to the radio (only when riding in other people's cars), and I don't collect CDs the way I used to in the past. For whatever reasons, other than live performances in small clubs (which rules out big rock bands), I haven't been as into discovering new music here in France as I have been in the past. I've got so much music of my own that at home I tend to listen to that rather than any- thing new. Gettin' old, I guess. My aversion to the band you mentioned is also partly wrapped up in the scandal surrounding the band member. At the time it happened, there were all these fans of the group shouting for leniency for the guy, because of his drug problems and because they liked his music. And this was despite the photos in the tabloids of what he'd actually *done* to poor Marie Trintingnant, a rather lovely and talented actress. Kinda put me off the group's music forever. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! You don't have to wonder any more. Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what happens when men and women is gathered in the same place. I have not read the book. But it has send some waves of chock among the Sidhas in Norway, probably in the whole Scandinavia. Ingegerd __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! When my then-boyfriend and I took our flying block at MIU, I was initially very scornful of and pissed off by the separation of men and women, even for the lectures. A week or so into the course, after we'd been flying for a while, I was walking with the women from my pod to the dining hall when we encountered some men one of them knew, and we stopped to chat. At that point the only man I'd spent any time with at all was my boyfriend; we'd sneak quick meetings every now and then to compare notes on our experiences (he was having a very tough time with unstressing; I wasn't). Anyway, to my astonishment and consternation--and unlike when I was with my boyfriend--I found I was extremely uncomfortable in the men's presence; I could hardly wait to get away. They were perfectly nice guys, gentlemanly, not raucous, but there was something about their vibe--can't think of any other way to describe it--that was very disturbing to the vibe I was experiencing at the time. Not a *bad* vibe per se, just one that was strongly incompatible with mine. This was a completely gut reaction, like, say, a fingernail on a blackboard, just jarring. My women course buddies and I hadn't talked about men vs. women, and we hadn't gotten any explanation about why men and women were separated on the course; and as I say, I'd been highly scornful of it to start with. So it must have been a very innocent response on my part. Unless it was a function of unstressing, but I wasn't noticeably unstressing otherwise, and it was so specific to this particular situation. I hadn't felt it with my boyfriend, but we were extremely close and very attuned to each other. Bottom line, I've never again objected to the separation of men and women on courses or in group program. Whatever other sexism there is in the movement, I don't think this has anything to do with it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
My aversion to the band you mentioned is also partlywrapped up in the scandal surrounding the band member. At the time it happened, there were all thesefans of the group shouting for leniency for the guy, because of his drug problems and because they likedhis music. And this was despite the photos in the tabloidsof what he'd actually *done* to poor Marie Trintingnant,a rather lovely and talented actress. Kinda put me offthe group's music forever.Unc-Well, they're passe now, so foutre le camp. At any rate, I guess that means you also wouldn't like Nirvana after seeing Kurt Cobain's brains splattered on the ceiling, or Sid Vicious, or the Sex Pistols after seeing Nancy Spungeon's slit throat. Just like I don't like Fred Rama Lama after his suicidal drug OD. We all have our reasons. Noir Desir was still a great band. Songs like Ernestine, and Lolita Nie En Block...Putain de merde Mon Frere. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Vaj, however studied and clever he may be, is just not gonna beat out the tall (6' 4) Brazilian bombshell who was dancing in front of the stage tonight. Just not gonna happen. No offense, Vaj. :-) 6'4 may be fun to watch, but too tall for me. COmpassion and all that: they'd hurt their necks trying to kiss me, for instance. Whassamatta, you too proud to stand on a stool, fer pete's sake? I'm sure Pete would stand on a stool ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The teaching is becoming purer end purer. The recertified TM- Teachers, who is men, can only teach men and recert. TM-Teachers that are women can only teach women. In WPA-Courses and week-end- courses, during lecture-time - men and women is separeted. I do not know if they can use same dining-hall. Ingegerd Which is a problem ifthere is only one TM teacher in town. Hence they are encouraging husband and wife teams. Dennise Denniston-Gerace's husband will be joining her team soon, I understand... BTW, while seperation of sexes for education sounds wierd to Westerners (at least in the 20th century), there's plenty of research showing that it can be beneficial, at least for women -at least in school. Perhaps there ARE female-only issues that are best dealt with by females, and likewise with males when it comes to teaching TM? This separation between teaching men and women has some funny side- effects. People who has learned TM from recert. TM-Teachers turn to me ( an independent TM-Teacher) to get following-up, because they are not satisfied with the following-up in the TMO - and the recert. TM- Teacher is very few and not available. In Norway it is one female recert. TM-Teacher. Ingegerd Ingegerd, What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My aversion to the band you mentioned is also partly wrapped up in the scandal surrounding the band member. At the time it happened, there were all these fans of the group shouting for leniency for the guy, because of his drug problems and because they liked his music. And this was despite the photos in the tabloids of what he'd actually *done* to poor Marie Trintingnant, a rather lovely and talented actress. Kinda put me off the group's music forever. -Well, they're passe now, so foutre le camp. At any rate, I guess that means you also wouldn't like Nirvana after seeing Kurt Cobain's brains splattered on the ceiling, or Sid Vicious, or the Sex Pistols after seeing Nancy Spungeon's slit throat. I never liked any of those groups because I thought the music sucked. :-) That's the way I felt bout the group you mentioned, too, when I heard their stuff on the radio. Finding out what they were like in real life just cemented the deal for me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Vaj, however studied and clever he may be, is just not gonna beat out the tall (6' 4) Brazilian bombshell who was dancing in front of the stage tonight. Just not gonna happen. No offense, Vaj. :-) 6'4 may be fun to watch, but too tall for me. COmpassion and all that: they'd hurt their necks trying to kiss me, for instance. Whassamatta, you too proud to stand on a stool, fer pete's sake? I'm sure Pete would stand on a stool ! I'm 7'1. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Welcome Sat Yuga
This morning I chatted with a TM teacher who attended the Guru Purnima events in Antrim, New Hampshire, USA, which was to be the meeting place for New England 'rus. Attendees watched the tape (which I presumed to be of the Vlodrop speeches and festivities) in the afternoon. Then in the evening, as the moon rose, everyone did his or her flying program and indeed, just as Maharishi had instructed, shouted Welcome Sat Yuga as they hopped. They had moved the foam outside to be in the moonlight. Men were on one batch of foam and women on another, but meditators were sitting around, too. Everyone was told to fly 15 minutes, whatever their instructed time may have been otherwise. I'm told there was a crowd. Some younger people, too -- teenage children of others there. Apparently Maharishi made the analogy of going outside to greet an arriving guest. People were to go outside to greet the rising moon. I don't suppose anything like that happened in Fairfield? It sounded like fun! Loopy, but fun. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning I chatted with a TM teacher who attended the Guru Purnima events in Antrim, New Hampshire, USA, which was to be the meeting place for New England 'rus. snip I don't suppose anything like that happened in Fairfield? Actually, it was quite a bit like that in Fairfield. There was an outdoor program by the Ladies' Dome, and an outdoor program in a field just off Juniper Ave in Vedic City. I attended the one in VC; no one challenged my right to be there or gave me any crap whatsoever. There was no shouting of the welcome, otherwise it was pretty much as you described, with cake afterwards. There WAS quite a bit of laughing in program, however. It was really quite sweet, out there in the country, and as you say, fun. My first group program with the official people since 1994. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conny Larrson's book
Ingegerd wrote: Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what happens when men and women [are] gathered in the same place. I have not read the book. But it has send some waves of chock among the Sidhas in Norway Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in Norway, and we are very much alert to keep the purity in our teaching, and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex-TM- Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an organisation - we have to be self-supporting. We are the one who are responsible for what we are doing. I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other countries through the European Network. They are really serious about what they are doing. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Vaj, however studied and clever he may be, is just not gonna beat out the tall (6' 4) Brazilian bombshell who was dancing in front of the stage tonight. Just not gonna happen. No offense, Vaj. :-) 6'4 may be fun to watch, but too tall for me. COmpassion and all that: they'd hurt their necks trying to kiss me, for instance. Whassamatta, you too proud to stand on a stool, fer pete's sake? I'm sure Pete would stand on a stool ! I'm 7'1. Sure you are ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in Norway, and we are very much alert to keep the purity in our teaching, and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex-TM- Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an organisation - we have to be self-supporting. We are the one who are responsible for what we are doing. I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other countries through the European Network. They are really serious about what they are doing. Ingegerd From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Although this idea seems quite popular, it will clearly not manifest until Maharishi has passed. No one wants to upset or offend him, even though many feel he has made some critical mistakes in his marketing plan. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what happens when men and women [are] gathered in the same place. I have not read the book. But it has send some waves of chock among the Sidhas in Norway Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? - Patrick Gillam I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is maybe something like The Clowns Masks. I got the title in Swedish - so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM- Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in Norway, and we are very much alert to keep the purity in our teaching, and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex-TM- Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an organisation - we have to be self-supporting. We are the one who are responsible for what we are doing. I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other countries through the European Network. They are really serious about what they are doing. Ingegerd From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Although this idea seems quite popular, it will clearly not manifest until Maharishi has passed. No one wants to upset or offend him, even though many feel he has made some critical mistakes in his marketing plan. L B S If somebody start something like that - only focusing on the teaching - I am in. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Such a group would at some point have to start thinking about running teacher training courses to make new teachers, no? Maybe not for a while yet, but eventually. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Such a group would at some point have to start thinking about running teacher training courses to make new teachers, no? Maybe not for a while yet, but eventually. Making new teachers regionally was part of the original World Plan. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book
Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. - PJG --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what happens when men and women [are] gathered in the same place. I have not read the book. But it has send some waves of chock among the Sidhas in Norway Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? - Patrick Gillam I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is maybe something like The Clowns Masks. I got the title in Swedish - so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it possible that there was some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level but that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually witnessed it. So. To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to tell us that you DID see real levitation when it is obvious that -- even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from what could remotely be described as real? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM- Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM- Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in Norway, and we are very much alert to keep the purity in our teaching, and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex- TM- Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an organisation - we have to be self-supporting. We are the one who are responsible for what we are doing. I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other countries through the European Network. They are really serious about what they are doing. Ingegerd From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Although this idea seems quite popular, it will clearly not manifest until Maharishi has passed. No one wants to upset or offend him, even though many feel he has made some critical mistakes in his marketing plan. L B S This may sound like a kooky idea but, hey, nothing would surprise me in the least when it comes to the TMO: May I suggest that the very first thing that TM teachers teaching outside the movement should do who want to teach AND maintain the purity of the TM teaching is to approach MMY, tell him what they are doing, and ask his advice on what they can do to maintain the purity of the teaching. Remember that MMY himself said in a recent press conference that (and I paraphrase) that there was still some value in learning TM from people teaching it outside the movement. You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) Free advice...and the teachers would get the endorsement from MMY... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. Hundreds of times. You're just trying to disbelieve it. I understand. I tried to disbelieve it myself. Didn't work. Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it possible that there was some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level but that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually witnessed it. So. To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to tell us that you DID see real levitation when it is obvious that -- even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from what could remotely be described as real? Shemp, you are seriously missing the point. I'm sitting in front of you. I slowly lift up off my chair and hover in mid-air for a few minutes. You see this clearly. You actually pinch yourself to make sure you're not dream- ing. You get up and walk all the way around me, to make sure there are no hidden wires or anything. Then I settle back down onto the chair again. No one else is in the room. There are no video cameras. Did you just see what you saw, or not? THAT is the reality of the situation, except that in my case there were often hundreds of people in the room with me, seeing the same thing. It doesn't MATTER how it was done. You saw it. And now you have to live with what you saw. THAT is the reality of the situation. YOU are the one who is looking for proof that what I experienced was what you'd like to consider real levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what I experienced. I was more than honest about relating it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince you of anything. I just explained my experience. I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was there seeing it happen. But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. It's yours. I got over mine years ago. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it possible that there was some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level but that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually witnessed it. So. To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to tell us that you DID see real levitation when it is obvious that -- even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from what could remotely be described as real? If what *he* experienced was remotely like what *we* experienced, it could definitely be described as real -- if by real you mean profoundly significant, life-changing, and so on. Much realer, more meaningful, than the normal reality had been, in some ways. If by real you mean a shared consensus with *everyone* else -- I am not sure this is ever possible with this kind of mind-bending phenomena, given the tenacity with which some people adhere to their own reality-constructs. I mean, even with standard psychological tests, you can get 11 witnesses swearing to 11 (sometimes) radically different versions of the same event... though in those cases it is true the videotape will pick up the truth of the matter (or will it?). Interesting questions, for sure :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) Free advice...and the teachers would get the endorsement from MMY... Ahh, I see -- you are assuming then that he would *not* be micromanaging the new organisation...? Because if you gave him that kind of leeway or authority, it would seem you'd be going right back to square one, repeating the same old patterns of the first org...:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Sat Yuga Drum Set
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Also got the DVDs 'The Greatest Show on Earth' Come to the circus, the greatest show on earth! Come to the circus, to the circus... I wanted so badly to be Betty Hutton after seeing that film. For weeks afterward I'd sit on the swing in the back yard dressed in my bathing suit, my ankles crossed, singing my little heart out. Cute! Loved that movie when I saw it! I used to tell my brother the circus was coming just because I wanted to see the animals and colorful costumes so badly. I never got to be Betty Hutton. Did the circus ever arrive for you? Sort of, but it has taken my entire life to see the performance. The wonder that I sought as a child has slowly, inexorably (another favorite word...) revealed itself to me. And I've been to probably ten actual performances of the circus... I'll bet your wrong about never being Betty Hutton; all our childhood dreams come true. Great train wreck in that movie too. And Cornell Wilde driving his white convertible along the train tracks toward the oncoming train, standing up waving his arms, trying to stop it before it hits the other train... Hey, no more peeking! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How big a desire is it? I know what you're saying. Honestly I have never felt the actual desire to levitate. Not nearly as the desire to smoke a cig, or have a drink, so I guess that's about why it doesn't happen. I figure either the grace of life itself will lift me up to prove something that I myself couldn't really care about or not. I mean, I get stuff I don't desire too. Often those are the best things. Like wow, I couldn't imagine them. Ed Zackery. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld How NE is Sunnyvale? Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. How's Buffy? O wait, that's SunnyDALE... Somehow I saw the movie- never watched the series, but the movie was ok. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that it could have been captured on videotape. I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have written that you had witnessed what looked like levitation and not to have used the word real and then qualify the experience so extensively as you did in the follow-up posting. Hundreds of times. You're just trying to disbelieve it. It's not a question of me disbelieving it, Unc. It's more a question of me not allowing myself to fall for a recounting of a phenomenon that it turns out didn't happen as you originally described it. And if it happened hundreds of times and hundreds and thousands of others saw it as you did I would suggest to you that others would be relating their experiences of the phenomenon as you also did. And, hey, maybe they have. Could you please supply even just a few names of people who also witnessed it? Maybe you could supply links to websites of people who also witnessed it so I can read their accounts? I understand. I tried to disbelieve it myself. Didn't work. Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it possible that there was some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level but that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually witnessed it. So. To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to tell us that you DID see real levitation when it is obvious that -- even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from what could remotely be described as real? Shemp, you are seriously missing the point. I'm sitting in front of you. I slowly lift up off my chair and hover in mid-air for a few minutes. You see this clearly. You actually pinch yourself to make sure you're not dream- ing. You get up and walk all the way around me, to make sure there are no hidden wires or anything. Then I settle back down onto the chair again. No one else is in the room. There are no video cameras. Did you just see what you saw, or not? THAT is the reality of the situation, except that in my case there were often hundreds of people in the room with me, seeing the same thing. ...then I would suggest to you that at least one or two of those hundreds would have either: 1) wrote about the experience on websites...and, hey, maybe they did...can you supply the links? or 2) would have insisted that the phenomenon either be videotaped and/or scientifically studied. It doesn't MATTER
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) Free advice...and the teachers would get the endorsement from MMY... Ahh, I see -- you are assuming then that he would *not* be micromanaging the new organisation...? Because if you gave him that kind of leeway or authority, it would seem you'd be going right back to square one, repeating the same old patterns of the first org...:-) -): Good point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Such a group would at some point have to start thinking about running teacher training courses to make new teachers, no? Maybe not for a while yet, but eventually. Yes, and as I gather from conversations with others who share the interest, it would be done by consensus as to what and how. In other words, the old pros would sit together and hammer it out until everyone was satisfied that they had gotten it right. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. Thanks for thinking of me, Pat, but I am not even remotely interested in such a project. I already have one unfinished translation on my plate, and I am sure it is worthy of publication. This other thing, by comparison, is just chaff in the wind. L B S - PJG --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what happens when men and women [are] gathered in the same place. I have not read the book. But it has send some waves of chock among the Sidhas in Norway Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? - Patrick Gillam I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is maybe something like The Clowns Masks. I got the title in Swedish - so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would not be able to prove what you would consider a real experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I get it...you don't want to believe this is true. There are a few websites out there where people who studied with Rama have written about their experiences. The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. One of my stories is in there, but under a different name because they published it using pseudonyms for every- one, for privacy reasons. http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that it could have been captured on videotape. I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have written that you had witnessed what looked like levitation and not to have used the word real and then qualify the experience so extensively as you did in the follow-up posting. Hundreds of times. You're just trying to disbelieve it. It's not a question of me disbelieving it, Unc. It's more a question of me not allowing myself to fall for a recounting of a phenomenon that it turns out didn't happen as you originally described it. And if it happened hundreds of times and hundreds and thousands of others saw it as you did I would suggest to you that others would be relating their experiences of the phenomenon as you also did. And, hey, maybe they have. Could you please supply even just a few names of people who also witnessed it? Maybe you could supply links to websites of people who also witnessed it so I can read their accounts? I understand. I tried to disbelieve it myself. Didn't work. Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it possible that there was some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level but that not everyone in the room where this was going on
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU are the one who is looking for proof that what I experienced was what you'd like to consider real levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what I experienced. I was more than honest about relating it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince you of anything. I just explained my experience. I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was there seeing it happen. But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. It's yours. I got over mine years ago. Unc This internet group FFL is sometimes like watching someone actually levitate, or not. It is all just words on the one hand, and yet once we read for awhile, it dawns on us that things are being discussed and ideas exchanged that are every bit as astonishing as watching someone levitate. Watching someone levitate, or doing it yourself, is just a matter of a wall in the mind, or no wall in the mind. Symptomatic of neurons firing in a specific pattern in the brain, or not. shempmcgurk, I followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion and realized as Unc and Rory have alluded (afw=another favorite word) to, no matter what the proof, say levitation taped with a video camera, by your mom, for example, what would it change in your life, in your mind, in your everyday existence? Recently I woke up and did a mundane chore around the house, only it was something out of sequence; I had never before written checks for my bills before washing the dishes, for example. I forget the actual event, but it was similar. Anyway, this time I did it without thinking, and realized that the only reason my reality changed was that there was no longer this virtual wall inside my head. The absence of the boundary changed my life. Then I got to thinking how life in general evolves from a lot of boundaries, to fewer and fewer and fewer, until we have none. As Rory speaks about Brahman being a state of life where the duality disappears; no boundaries. (and Rory, let's see THAT on video-tape, eh? ;)) Pick any living thing and trace its evolution to the next level of life and you'll see what I mean. e.g. a rock can't move, but a roach can. Fewer boundaries for Sir Roach. So the important thing isn't the levitation at all. At all. It is the elimination of boundaries within us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU are the one who is looking for proof that what I experienced was what you'd like to consider real levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what I experienced. I was more than honest about relating it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince you of anything. I just explained my experience. I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was there seeing it happen. But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. It's yours. I got over mine years ago. Unc This internet group FFL is sometimes like watching someone actually levitate, or not. It is all just words on the one hand, and yet once we read for awhile, it dawns on us that things are being discussed and ideas exchanged that are every bit as astonishing as watching someone levitate. Watching someone levitate, or doing it yourself, is just a matter of a wall in the mind, or no wall in the mind. Symptomatic of neurons firing in a specific pattern in the brain, or not. shempmcgurk, I followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion and realized as Unc and Rory have alluded (afw=another favorite word) to, no matter what the proof, say levitation taped with a video camera, by your mom, for example, what would it change in your life, in your mind, in your everyday existence? Recently I woke up and did a mundane chore around the house, only it was something out of sequence; I had never before written checks for my bills before washing the dishes, for example. I forget the actual event, but it was similar. Anyway, this time I did it without thinking, and realized that the only reason my reality changed was that there was no longer this virtual wall inside my head. The absence of the boundary changed my life. Then I got to thinking how life in general evolves from a lot of boundaries, to fewer and fewer and fewer, until we have none. As Rory speaks about Brahman being a state of life where the duality disappears; no boundaries. (and Rory, let's see THAT on video-tape, eh? ;)) Pick any living thing and trace its evolution to the next level of life and you'll see what I mean. e.g. a rock can't move, but a roach can. Fewer boundaries for Sir Roach. So the important thing isn't the levitation at all. At all. It is the elimination of boundaries within us. Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. Shemp isn't interested in proof. He's interested in making sure that none of his boundaries are disturbed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU are the one who is looking for proof that what I experienced was what you'd like to consider real levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what I experienced. I was more than honest about relating it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince you of anything. I just explained my experience. I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was there seeing it happen. But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. It's yours. I got over mine years ago. Unc This internet group FFL is sometimes like watching someone actually levitate, or not. It is all just words on the one hand, and yet once we read for awhile, it dawns on us that things are being discussed and ideas exchanged that are every bit as astonishing as watching someone levitate. Watching someone levitate, or doing it yourself, is just a matter of a wall in the mind, or no wall in the mind. Symptomatic of neurons firing in a specific pattern in the brain, or not. shempmcgurk, I followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion and realized as Unc and Rory have alluded (afw=another favorite word) to, no matter what the proof, say levitation taped with a video camera, by your mom, for example, what would it change in your life, in your mind, in your everyday existence? Recently I woke up and did a mundane chore around the house, only it was something out of sequence; I had never before written checks for my bills before washing the dishes, for example. I forget the actual event, but it was similar. Anyway, this time I did it without thinking, and realized that the only reason my reality changed was that there was no longer this virtual wall inside my head. The absence of the boundary changed my life. Then I got to thinking how life in general evolves from a lot of boundaries, to fewer and fewer and fewer, until we have none. As Rory speaks about Brahman being a state of life where the duality disappears; no boundaries. (and Rory, let's see THAT on video- tape, eh? ;)) Pick any living thing and trace its evolution to the next level of life and you'll see what I mean. e.g. a rock can't move, but a roach can. Fewer boundaries for Sir Roach. So the important thing isn't the levitation at all. At all. It is the elimination of boundaries within us. Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. Shemp isn't interested in proof. He's interested in making sure that none of his boundaries are disturbed. I see it rather that Shemp wants to find proof of something that many such as yourself have claimed to have seen. Then he can 'legitimately' break the boundary to such an experience in his mind. So the mistake is not in his attempting to nail down the proof, but in believing that the solution to breaking the boundary comes from outside himself, rather than within himself. Ergo, it matters not a whit of a whit whether or not you actually witnessed somebody levitating. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. Doesn't matter. (Although it mattered to you at the time, and was significant you say in breaking a boundary for you.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. Disbelief games? I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games when you claim to have experienced real levitation and then, one post later, upon questioning, qualify the claim. Either you did or you didn't. It sounds to me like you're playing a game of spiritual-one- upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced someone levitating. May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced such a thing that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to everyone that you experienced something that 5,000 years of recorded human history would come to a standstill if even the remotest possible proof was offered to its reality. I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would not be able to prove what you would consider a real experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I get it...you don't want to believe this is true. There are a few websites out there where people who studied with Rama have written about their experiences. The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. One of my stories is in there, but under a different name because they published it using pseudonyms for every- one, for privacy reasons. http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that it could have been captured on videotape. I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have written that you had witnessed what looked like levitation and not to have used the word real and then qualify the experience so extensively as you did in the follow-up posting. Hundreds of times. You're just trying to disbelieve it. It's not a question of me disbelieving it, Unc. It's more a question of me not allowing myself to fall for a recounting of a phenomenon that it turns out didn't
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. Shemp isn't interested in proof. He's interested in making sure that none of his boundaries are disturbed. I see it rather that Shemp wants to find proof of something that many such as yourself have claimed to have seen. Then he can 'legitimately' break the boundary to such an experience in his mind. 'Legitimately' is good. That's the issue, which you nail in the next paragraph. So the mistake is not in his attempting to nail down the proof, but in believing that the solution to breaking the boundary comes from outside himself, rather than within himself. That's it exactly. There comes a point when no one can no longer rely on 'outside' 'evidence' as being more accur- ate than one's own experience. Ergo, it matters not a whit of a whit whether or not you actually witnessed somebody levitating. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. Doesn't matter. (Although it mattered to you at the time, and was significant you say in breaking a boundary for you.) It really *doesn't* matter to me whether a videocamera would have recorded the levitation and other phenomena I saw Rama manifest. The boundary for me, as you put it well, was broken the minute I realized that I trusted my own experience more than I would trust the videotape. It happened. The man levitated. Or disappeared. Or did one of the many other odd things he could do. And all of those things really happened, as far as I can tell. *How* they happened doesn't interest me as much as the simple fact that they happened. Personally, intellectually, my experience convinces me that some siddhis do not actually manifest on a gross physical level. That is, they are really happening, but on a more subtle plane or dimension. To perform the siddhi, you have to move into that dimension. To witness the siddhi, you *also* have to move into that dimension. It's something I cannot express properly in words, and it's *certainly* something I can ever convince anyone of, even if I wanted to. Bottom line was that it was a great deal of *fun* to see such phenomena, and to sit in the energy field that surrounds them. People can believe whatever they want, based on whatever 'proof' they consider valid. I'll stand on my own experience. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would not be able to prove what you would consider a real experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I get it...you don't want to believe this is true. There are a few websites out there where people who studied with Rama have written about their experiences. The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. One of my stories is in there, but under a different name because they published it using pseudonyms for every- one, for privacy reasons. http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. Of course I won't read it. You've already admitted that it was an imaginary phenomenon...so why would I waste my time? It existed in your head and in the heads of your fellow brainwashed cult members. For someone who comes down so hard on the TMO and MMY for being a cult it seems to me that you stand guilty of the very things you condemn in others. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. I neither believe or disbelieve as I wasn't there. YOU were. YOU claim, in one post, to indisputably have witnessed real levitation and then, in the next post, demonstrate that you hadn't. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual power and the rest of you peons haven't. Take some advice, Unc: if you truly have experienced such an incredible phenomenon that is unprovable, restrain your obviously uncontrollable desire to tell the world how cool you are and keep it to yourself. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that it could have been captured on videotape. I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have written that you had witnessed what looked like levitation and not to have
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU are the one who is looking for proof that what I experienced was what you'd like to consider real levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what I experienced. I was more than honest about relating it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince you of anything. I just explained my experience. I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was there seeing it happen. But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. It's yours. I got over mine years ago. Unc This internet group FFL is sometimes like watching someone actually levitate, or not. It is all just words on the one hand, and yet once we read for awhile, it dawns on us that things are being discussed and ideas exchanged that are every bit as astonishing as watching someone levitate. Watching someone levitate, or doing it yourself, is just a matter of a wall in the mind, or no wall in the mind. Symptomatic of neurons firing in a specific pattern in the brain, or not. shempmcgurk, I followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion and realized as Unc and Rory have alluded (afw=another favorite word) to, no matter what the proof, say levitation taped with a video camera, by your mom, for example, what would it change in your life, in your mind, in your everyday existence? Recently I woke up and did a mundane chore around the house, only it was something out of sequence; I had never before written checks for my bills before washing the dishes, for example. I forget the actual event, but it was similar. Anyway, this time I did it without thinking, and realized that the only reason my reality changed was that there was no longer this virtual wall inside my head. The absence of the boundary changed my life. Then I got to thinking how life in general evolves from a lot of boundaries, to fewer and fewer and fewer, until we have none. As Rory speaks about Brahman being a state of life where the duality disappears; no boundaries. (and Rory, let's see THAT on video- tape, eh? ;)) Pick any living thing and trace its evolution to the next level of life and you'll see what I mean. e.g. a rock can't move, but a roach can. Fewer boundaries for Sir Roach. So the important thing isn't the levitation at all. At all. It is the elimination of boundaries within us. Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. Shemp isn't interested in proof. He's interested in making sure that none of his boundaries are disturbed. Not by bullshit, that's for sure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. Disbelief games? I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games when you claim to have experienced real levitation and then, one post later, upon questioning, qualify the claim. Shemp, I did not qualify the claim. I was honest. I gave you an easy out for your disbelief by telling you the exact truth of what happened. Some -- most -- students saw this stuff; some didn't. I didn't have to mention that. But it's the truth. Does this imply that the phenomenon of levitation was not happening on a gross, physical level. You bet your ass it does. But does it imply that the levitation wasn't really happening? Only if you believe that levitation is something that happens on the gross, physical level. You obviously believe this. I am happy for you, and hope that your certainty brings you much peace. Either you did or you didn't. I did. You don't want to believe this. And *nothing* I can possibly say can change this situation. I'm being nice and explaining this, but *that* won't do any good, either. You entered (in fact, instigated) this discussion convinced that you knew the truth about what levitation really is, and you will leave the discussion the same way. It sounds to me like you're playing a game of spiritual-one- upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced someone levitating. I'm supposed to lie and say I haven't? I have. So have maybe two or three thousand other people who studied with Rama over the years, and thousands more who saw him do this stuff in public lectures. Doesn't sound all that special to me. :-) May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced such a thing that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to everyone that you experienced something that 5,000 years of recorded human history would come to a standstill if even the remotest possible proof was offered to its reality. You are fooling yourself. No one would fucking notice if scientific proof of levitation was found tomorrow. Nothing would happen. People would read about it and do exactly what you are doing right now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning I chatted with a TM teacher who attended the Guru Purnima events in Antrim, New Hampshire, USA, which was to be the meeting place for New England 'rus. snip I don't suppose anything like that happened in Fairfield? Actually, it was quite a bit like that in Fairfield. There was an outdoor program by the Ladies' Dome, and an outdoor program in a field just off Juniper Ave in Vedic City. I attended the one in VC; no one challenged my right to be there or gave me any crap whatsoever. There was no shouting of the welcome, otherwise it was pretty much as you described, with cake afterwards. There WAS quite a bit of laughing in program, however. It was really quite sweet, out there in the country, and as you say, fun. My first group program with the official people since 1994. L B S . And the Lions will lie down with the Lambs See , it must be Sat Yug. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual power and the rest of you peons haven't. Bingo. And the proof is how nasty he gets when somebody turns out not to be impressed. If you're not convinced of how cool he is by what he's told you about what he experienced, he has to convince *himself* he's cool by putting you down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. Shemp isn't interested in proof. He's interested in making sure that none of his boundaries are disturbed. I see it rather that Shemp wants to find proof of something that many such as yourself have claimed to have seen. Then he can 'legitimately' break the boundary to such an experience in his mind. 'Legitimately' is good. That's the issue, which you nail in the next paragraph. So the mistake is not in his attempting to nail down the proof, but in believing that the solution to breaking the boundary comes from outside himself, rather than within himself. That's it exactly. There comes a point when no one can no longer rely on 'outside' 'evidence' as being more accur- ate than one's own experience. Ergo, it matters not a whit of a whit whether or not you actually witnessed somebody levitating. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. Doesn't matter. (Although it mattered to you at the time, and was significant you say in breaking a boundary for you.) It really *doesn't* matter to me whether a videocamera would have recorded the levitation and other phenomena I saw Rama manifest. The boundary for me, as you put it well, was broken the minute I realized that I trusted my own experience more than I would trust the videotape. It happened. The man levitated. Or disappeared. Or did one of the many other odd things he could do. And all of those things really happened, as far as I can tell. *How* they happened doesn't interest me as much as the simple fact that they happened. Personally, intellectually, my experience convinces me that some siddhis do not actually manifest on a gross physical level. That is, they are really happening, but on a more subtle plane or dimension. To perform the siddhi, you have to move into that dimension. To witness the siddhi, you *also* have to move into that dimension. It's something I cannot express properly in words, and it's *certainly* something I can ever convince anyone of, even if I wanted to. Bottom line was that it was a great deal of *fun* to see such phenomena, and to sit in the energy field that surrounds them. People can believe whatever they want, based on whatever 'proof' they consider valid. I'll stand on my own experience. Unc Yep, I know what you mean. I wonder though if levitation can occur on 'a gross physical level'? I suspect yes, though it is not terribly important for me to find out right now. Yogananda wrote about it in his Auto of a Yog book, and that is good enough for me; that book has the ring of truth to it when I read it. The intradimensional experiences though are fascinating in their own right, and equally mind blowing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual power and the rest of you peons haven't. Bingo. And the proof is how nasty he gets when somebody turns out not to be impressed. If you're not convinced of how cool he is by what he's told you about what he experienced, he has to convince *himself* he's cool by putting you down. It's obviously a.m.t. cyberstalker pile on time. I will allow you guys to flame among yourselves. Got better things to do. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual power and the rest of you peons haven't. Bingo. And the proof is how nasty he gets when somebody turns out not to be impressed. If you're not convinced of how cool he is by what he's told you about what he experienced, he has to convince *himself* he's cool by putting you down. What you say might be true, but I'll make a bet that if you and Shemp flew over to France, found Unc, and ordered a nice bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon, had a couple of glasses each, sitting in a pleasant cafe, all of this would transform; the table would resound with toast after toast to each of your best qualities! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual power and the rest of you peons haven't. Bingo. And the proof is how nasty he gets when somebody turns out not to be impressed. If you're not convinced of how cool he is by what he's told you about what he experienced, he has to convince *himself* he's cool by putting you down. What you say might be true, but I'll make a bet that if you and Shemp flew over to France, found Unc, and ordered a nice bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon, had a couple of glasses each, sitting in a pleasant cafe, all of this would transform; the table would resound with toast after toast to each of your best qualities! It's entirely possible he can be a decent, genuine human being in person. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I actually visited the site and downloaded the book. I then did a word search on levitate and nine references to it came up. After a cursory reading of several of the testimonials, I have concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc, and that you were both brainwashed and hypnotized. You did NOT witness actual levitation. You witnessed a delusion of levitation. Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all this anger towards Unc. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that it could have been captured on videotape. I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have written that you had witnessed what looked like levitation and not === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. Disbelief games? I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games when you claim to have experienced real levitation and then, one post later, upon questioning, qualify the claim. Either you did or you didn't. It sounds to me like you're playing a game of spiritual-one- upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced someone levitating. I've read through all these posts in this exchange and I can't find a hint of this spiritual-one-upsmanship. What are you talking about Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then considering the possibility that there was some sort of subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big deal? May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced such a thing that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to everyone that you experienced something that 5,000 years of recorded human history would come to a standstill if even the remotest possible proof was offered to its reality. I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would not be able to prove what you would consider a real experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I get it...you don't want to believe this is true. There are a few websites out there where people who studied with Rama have written about their experiences. The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. One of my stories is in there, but under a different name because they published it using pseudonyms for every- one, for privacy reasons. http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. Disbelief games? I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games when you claim to have experienced real levitation and then, one post later, upon questioning, qualify the claim. Either you did or you didn't. It sounds to me like you're playing a game of spiritual-one- upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced someone levitating. I've read through all these posts in this exchange and I can't find a hint of this spiritual-one-upsmanship. What are you talking about Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then considering the possibility that there was some sort of subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big deal? Part of it is that he started out by saying he'd witnessed real levitation. That's misleading in a TM crowd, which understands real levitation to mean an objective physical process (whether that's ultimately correct or not). If he admits the possibility that it may have been subjective, he should have qualified real to begin with to make this clear. Another part of it is that he got all pissy and started putting Shemp down when Shemp pointed this out. That's where you really see the spiritual one-upmanship coming out. And still another part of it is past history (on alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are experientially impoverished compared to himself-- including demanding that they relate their experiences and claiming that if they don't, they must not have had any. It becomes really quite unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a taste of it here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] a.m.t. spillover
Having been around these newsgroups for years now I am sorry to see the a.m.t. spillover to FFlife-not the people themselves, but the nitpicking of nitpicking. Not that FFLife wasn't in need of some new blood! We should invite Andrew Skolnick over and John Whats-his-name and that nasty nasty nasty nasty Perino, who did attempt to do his shtick here in FFlife and thankfulyy failed (kidding about Skolnick and Perion). Leave them out. Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. Disbelief games? I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games when you claim to have experienced real levitation and then, one post later, upon questioning, qualify the claim. Either you did or you didn't. It sounds to me like you're playing a game of spiritual-one- upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced someone levitating. I've read through all these posts in this exchange and I can't find a hint of this spiritual-one-upsmanship. What are you talking about Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then considering the possibility that there was some sort of subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big deal? Part of it is that he started out by saying he'd witnessed real levitation. That's misleading in a TM crowd, which understands real levitation to mean an objective physical process (whether that's ultimately correct or not). If he admits the possibility that it may have been subjective, he should have qualified real to begin with to make this clear. Another part of it is that he got all pissy and started putting Shemp down when Shemp pointed this out. That's where you really see the spiritual one-upmanship coming out. And still another part of it is past history (on alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are experientially impoverished compared to himself-- including demanding that they relate their experiences and claiming that if they don't, they must not have had any. It becomes really quite unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a taste of it here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I actually visited the site and downloaded the book. I then did a word search on levitate and nine references to it came up. After a cursory reading of several of the testimonials, I have concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc, and that you were both brainwashed and hypnotized. You did NOT witness actual levitation. You witnessed a delusion of levitation. Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all this anger towards Unc. Let him say: I witnessed what appeared to me to be levitation, not 'I witnessed REAL levitation'. I don't like being bullshitted. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that it could have been captured on videotape. I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have written that you had witnessed what looked like levitation and not === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. Disbelief games? I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games when you claim to have experienced real levitation and then, one post later, upon questioning, qualify the claim. Either you did or you didn't. It sounds to me like you're playing a game of spiritual-one- upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced someone levitating. I've read through all these posts in this exchange and I can't find a hint of this spiritual-one-upsmanship. What are you talking about Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then considering the possibility that there was some sort of subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big deal? The subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation came later, which should have, in my opinion, come first. May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced such a thing that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to everyone that you experienced something that 5,000 years of recorded human history would come to a standstill if even the remotest possible proof was offered to its reality. I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would not be able to prove what you would consider a real experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I get it...you don't want to believe this is true. There are a few websites out there where people who studied with Rama have written about their experiences. The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. One of my stories is in there, but under a different name because they published it using pseudonyms for every- one, for privacy reasons. http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen I've read through all these posts in this exchange and I can't find a hint of this spiritual-one-upsmanship. What are you talking about Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then considering the possibility that there was some sort of subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big deal? Its an interesting exchange, on several levels, including different perceptions of what people mean by the same words, subtle positioning, and subjective / objective realities. Since words are just rough maps for concepts and concepts are rough maps for both inner and outer phenomenon, its a wonder -- to me-- that we actually communiate at all sometimes. For example, there appears to be a different take on the word real. Per my reading of the views, one person is holding real to be both trans-personal and objectively (aka mechanically, measurably) verifiable (e.g., could be seen on video cam). Another is viewing real as subjective reality, that if the perception was real, then it was real, it was a real experience. Its this clinging to ones own view of what the word real means, and not seeing or acknowledging what the other may mean by the term, which is causing the war of words and abrasive feelings back and forth. It seems to me there are at least five possibilities here, without much need for arguing or spite. 1) objectively, mechanically and mesurably verifiable leviation took place. This might include Rama sitting on a digital scale with constant readout to show changes weight, video cam verification, laser light encircling to verify no wires etc. 2) a subtle phenomenon / siddi in which a subtle form of Rama levitated and he similtatnously enlivened some subtle perception in many but not all attendees to see the phenomenon. 3) some powerful suggestion / trance (from teacher or by observer themselves to themselves) techniques that result in some strong cognitive distortion. 4) some perception that did not correspond to gross physical reality, aka a hallucination. 5) Make-believe / deception. From past discussions and my take on this is that #'s 3-5 are not operational in this case. Its probably 1 or 2. Both boundary breaking. Not much evidence has been presented of #1 occurring. That dooes not prove #1 did not occur, just there is no strong case for it, no reason to believe that it occurred. The mechanics of #2 are not clear, and no feasible model or proof of such has been offered other than one or several personal testimonies. And such testimonies could be a case of #1 -- yet unverified -- gross physical levitation, or could be a #2 -- subtle phenomenon -- going on. I see no problem in being open the reality that it was such: some unexplained subtle phenomenon, while holding out it actually could have been physical -- but not verifed as such. With a possibility of a #3 phenomenon prevailing or being mixed into all of this. Whether its 1, 2, or 3, I believe Unc experienced something as real and tangible when he drinks a double expresso at a stand-up parisian sidewalk bar. I don't think he was hallucinating or lying. Having said this, I do find shades of a spiritual-one-upsmanship positioning, whether intended or not. I find similar structures in other discussions. Unc casts Shemp's position from a variety of angles as disbelief. It echos, in a way, of the refrain in the late 90's among disbelievers in the the new ecconomy that they just didn't get it, that valuing so many dot.coms at extraordinary levels, at quite unhistoric price-ernings ratios -- based on quite future eanings not current , etc, was really quite rational and sound and if you didn't get-it you were hopelessly naive, out-of-it, and the untimate insult, un-hip. By default, Unc's positions is one of belief. The former is weaker than the latter, its a defensive position, though the distiction may be subtle. Shemp could recast the argument as Rama was fraud and accuse Unc of suffering from and not being able to come to terms with his disbelief. This would place him in a superior spiritual-one-upmanship position. The silly thing is, the real, but unstated debate, appears to be about what each hold the word real to mean. This difference, and lack of akcnowledging the others view, manifests into staked out positions which result in progressively entrenched defenses around positions which vanish if the real debate (about meanings of words use) is first resolved. This is of interest, to me, because the same mechanics and structure appears to be a the root of so many FFL and other chat word-wars. And it may be part of spiritual-one-upmanship gamesmanship, i am not sure. A curious, perhaps side point here, is Unc's proposition that even if quite verifiable objective proof were presented, it would not change anyones mind. I find that such an odd take on things. Lots of new, surprising, odd and hard to believe,
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having been around these newsgroups for years now I am sorry to see the a.m.t. spillover to FFlife-not the people themselves, but the nitpicking of nitpicking. Not that FFLife wasn't in need of some new blood! We should invite Andrew Skolnick over and John Whats-his-name and that nasty nasty nasty nasty Perino, who did attempt to do his shtick here in FFlife and thankfulyy failed (kidding about Skolnick and Perion). Leave them out. Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? I second that. I am leaving this group because there is so much stupid threads going on and on and on about nothing. Get a fvcking job guys. Go help old ladies, travel the world. Get a life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book L B book on Dev Go for it L.B.
Where does it now stand L.B. ... its so important perhaps should be passed top otheres for speed... Its so very important for us all to soon very soon see .! Give us an up date please.-Original Message-From: L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:13:58 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. Thanks for thinking of me, Pat, but I am not even remotely interested in such a project. I already have one unfinished translation on my plate, and I am sure it is worthy of publication. This other thing, by comparison, is just chaff in the wind. L B S - PJG --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what happens when men and women [are] gathered in the same place. I have not read the book. But it has send some waves of chock among the Sidhas in Norway Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? - Patrick Gillam I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is maybe something like "The Clowns Masks". I got the title in Swedish - so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having been around these newsgroups for years now I am sorry to see the a.m.t. spillover to FFlife-not the people themselves, but the nitpicking of nitpicking. Not that FFLife wasn't in need of some new blood! We should invite Andrew Skolnick over and John Whats-his-name and that nasty nasty nasty nasty Perino, who did attempt to do his shtick here in FFlife and thankfulyy failed (kidding about Skolnick and Perion). Leave them out. Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? ...or get given a yellow card. We all have to download the output of these caterwailing foxes, sitting on garden walls screaming at eachother. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maybe of Interest - Ireland Peace Palace
Some comments and details of building a peace palace on an island off the coast of Ireland: http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=69927results_offset=210 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Tantra and the Siddhas
In brief on-list response to the topic of Tantra, I've uploaded the wonderful intro. to _Masters of Enchantment_: the biographies and sadhanas of the 84 Mahasiddhas of Tibetan and Hindu tantra. It's intro. is one of the best I have read. It also includes the artists (Robert Beer) intro which briefly details his own enlightenment. If you have some interest in these siddhas, you'll surely enjoy this brief and wonderfully accurate glimpse from my brother Keith Dowman. http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/Downloads/FileSharing4.html Prem and Ashirvad, Vaj Some excerpts: The exemplors of the new Buddhism, the high priests of Tantra, were called siddhas. In the beginning, in eighth century India, they represented a pure and purifying spirituality arising from the grass roots of society. Alienated from the dead forms of the social and religious establishment, equating society with life's confusion, renunciation was a prerequisite to spiritual attainment. The ethos of their pure mysticism made them antiestablishment, unorthodox and antischolastic. They stressed the simple and free life rather than institutional discipline. Militating against empty ritual, charlatanism, specious philosophizing, the caste system and Brahminical ritual purity they were iconoclastic rebels. They taught existential involvement rather than metaphysical speculation. Many siddhas were musicians and poets who sang their realization in wonderful mystical songs in vernacular languages, using metaphors of home and family, farming and crafts, love and sex. The siddhas were never to compromise their radical attitudes to orthodoxy, and they maintained their ideal of existential freedom at all cost. -- Who were these spiritual adventurers? What did they teach? What was their practice? In answering these questions it would be useful to define several Sanskrit words that remain untranslated throughout this work because they have no English equivalents. The first is the word siddha. Siddhas are practitioners of Tantra who are successful in attaining the goal of their meditation. This achievement is known as siddhi. It is twofold in that it confers both magical power (mundane) and enlightenment itself (supreme). The word siddha could be rendered saint, magus, magician, or adept. But even this is not sufficient, because siddha evokes an entire life style, a unique mode of being, and a very particular form of aspiration. For uninitiated Indians, the emphasis of their associations with siddhas is on magical power. If a yogin or yogini can walk through walls, fly in the sky, heal the sick, turn water into wine, levitate, or read minds, they may gain the title siddha. If those same practitioners have a crazy glint in their eyes, cover themselves in ashes, bring tears to the eyes with their songs, calm street mongrels by their very presence, induce faithful women to leave their families, wear vajras in their yard-long hair knots, eat out of skull bowls, talk with the birds, cry when they see a spastic child, sleep with lepers, fearlessly upbraid powerful officials for moral laxity, or perform with conviction any act contrary to convention while demonstrating a higher reality, then they are doubly siddhas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? Speaking for myself: Why should behavior that I find objectionable on alt.m.t be somehow immune to complaint here? Spiritual one-upmanship is spiritual one-upmanship whether it takes place there or here. It would be just as objectionable if it were *only* here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Its this clinging to ones own view of what the word real means, and not seeing or acknowledging what the other may mean by the term, which is causing the war of words and abrasive feelings back and forth. That's part of it. As I noted in another post, though, in the context of a TM forum, real levitation is generally taken to mean objective, physical, measurable levitation. So to use it in a maybe-this, maybe-that sense, without being up front about it right at the beginning, seems like a sort of bait-and-switch attempt to mislead. snip A curious, perhaps side point here, is Unc's proposition that even if quite verifiable objective proof were presented, it would not change anyones mind. And yet he's quite insistent that it changed *his* mind. Moreover, in the PDF file, the piece he wrote says he was *prepared* to believe levitation was possible because of the TM-Sidhis teaching. So anyone may not be the appropriate term here, as far as Unc is concerned. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On Jul 22, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: A while back, I spoke to a woman in Fairfield, who claimed she was having a more advanced levitation experience; I wished I had asked her for more details at the time... I am wondering if anyone could share experiences which would qualify as the next stage of manifestation of this Siddhi of Levitation... As I've shared with the list before, yes there are schools of yogis who practice these methods. When one gets into the more serious stages of the practice, one is often isolated in strict retreat. And these are the yogis I know of and friends have visited. If one has similar initiation into the path of inner tantra, one can gain permission to visit such siddhas. And yes, they do levitate and the vision thereof is not selective like those who have mastered the art of post-hypnotic suggestion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual power and the rest of you peons haven't. Take some advice, Unc: if you truly have experienced such an incredible phenomenon that is unprovable, restrain your obviously uncontrollable desire to tell the world how cool you are and keep it to yourself. Unc, from my side I am most happy to hear your account(s) -- you have really helped clarify and confirm some of my own thoughts on phenomena of this sort, and I thank you :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's entirely possible he can be a decent, genuine human being in person. Jim's right; I think you both are truly great -- as is Jim himself! Let's raise a glass to all three of you -- if not tonight in a cafe in Paris in 3-D, perhaps we are there in E-D (extradimensionality) -- the space of the Heart :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I second that. I am leaving this group because there is so much stupid threads going on and on and on about nothing. Get a fvcking job guys. Go help old ladies, travel the world. Get a life. Have a good one and a great one, Offworld -- thanks for hanging with us :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 2nd Day of Sat Yuga? Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/movies/24chop.html?8hpib Excerpts Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad By ANUPAMA CHOPRA NY Times MUMBAI HALFWAY through Aitraaz (Objection), a Bollywood take on Barry Levinson's Disclosure, Sonia grabs hold of Raj. Once upon a time, they were lovers. But when Sonia, an ambitious model, opted for an abortion instead of child and marriage, Raj left her. Now she is his boss. Sonia starts to undress him, whispering, Show me you are an animal. When he refuses and walks away, she screams: I'm not asking you to leave your wife. I just want a physical relationship. If I don't have an objection, why should you? The actress Priyanka Chopra had a difficult time playing this scene. A former Miss World, Ms. Chopra was a sophisticated, globally feted celebrity and she had prepared for her role by studying the calculated seductiveness of Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct. But on the day that scene was shot, Ms. Chopra broke down and cried. The directors, brothers who go by the hyphenate Abbas-Mustan, had to spend a few hours convincing her that she was only playing a character. Filming didn't start until late afternoon. Ms. Chopra wasn't just being dramatic. She is a Bollywood actress, and as such, trained to play the role of a virginal glam-doll, not a sexual aggressor. By tradition, a Bollywood heroine is a one-dimensional creation who may wear eye-popping bustiers or writhe passionately during a song in the rain. But she is unfailingly virtuous. Whether girlfriend, wife or mother, she is the repository of Indian moral values. In the ancient epic Ramayana, the hero Lakshman draws a furrow in the earth, the Line of Lakshman, which represents the limits of proper feminine behavior, and requests that his sister-in-law Sita not step outside it. As if heeding his exhortation, Bollywood heroines have rarely stepped out of line, even for a kiss. But a decade-long cultural churning has overturned stereotypes in India. In 1991, the threat of fiscal collapse forced the government to introduce wide-ranging economic reforms and allow multinational corporations to operate in India. The same year, satellite television arrived. Today, consumerism, globalization, the proliferation of semiclad bodies in print and television, and the emergence of a more worldly audience have redefined the boundaries of what is permissible. Sex has been pulled out of the closet and actors have become more willing to experiment with their images. The latest Bollywood heroines seem to be taking a page out of Mae West's book: when they are good, they are very good, but when they are bad, they're better. Mallika Sherawat, 24, a statuesque actress, needed little convincing to step out of the stereotype. Ms. Sherawat made her leading-lady debut in 2003 with Khwahish (Desire), which grabbed headlines for its 17 kisses. Her follow-up was even steamier. Murder, released last year, a rehash of Adrian Lyne's Unfaithful, had her playing a lonely housewife in Bangkok who has a passionate affair with an ex-boyfriend. Ms. Sherawat pushed the edge of the sexual envelope as far as the Indian Censor Board would allow. The lovemaking scenes featured bare backs, cleavage and passionate kissing. Bolder still was the idea that a respectable upper-middle-class woman could have sexual desires and cheat on her husband - and get away with it. Murder made back its investment, approximately $750,000, several times over. Ashish Rajadhyaksha, a senior fellow at the Bangalore-based Center for the Study of Culture and Society, said the film established Ms. Sherawat as an Indian postfeminist icon. The self-anointed kissing queen of India now has bigger ambitions. She plays an Indian princess in a coming Hong Kong movie, The Myth, starring Jackie Chan. After making a splash on Mr. Chan's arm at the Cannes Film Festival, she is, she says, negotiating with Creative Artists Agency for representation. Ms. Sherawat's journey from a traditional small-town nobody to an international sex symbol is a modern-day fairy tale that has already had an impact. (For Ms. Sherawat, it also has a downside: She says her father refuses to speak her.) Film studios here in Mumbai are overrun with starlets fiercely trading on their sexuality, and even established actresses are now taking chances. In Fida (Crazy), released last year, Kareena Kapoor played a scheming hedonist who beguiles her besotted lover into robbing a bank for her. Ms. Kapoor, a fourth-generation star, is Bollywood aristocracy. Her great-grandfather Prithviraj Kapoor was a leading man in the 1940's, and her grandfather (Raj Kapoor), parents, uncles and sister are famous actors. There were audible gasps from audiences when her true character was revealed with a dramatic flourish in Fida: she steps out of the shower with a man who is not her lover. Heroines aren't just discovering sex, they are positively reveling in bad behavior. In a forthcoming, still-untitled film, Sushmita Sen, a former Miss
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And still another part of it is past history (on alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are experientially impoverished compared to himself-- including demanding that they relate their experiences and claiming that if they don't, they must not have had any. It becomes really quite unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a taste of it here. Okay, we've got a history here! Now I get it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
I never liked any of those groups because I thoughtthe music sucked. :-) That's the way I felt bout thegroup you mentioned, too, when I heard their stuffon the radio. Finding out what they were like in real life just cemented the deal for me. Why do you post phoney smilies? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ...or get given a yellow card. We all have to download the output of these caterwailing foxes, sitting on garden walls screaming at eachother. Just one other point: It's not exactly as if there weren't a healthy measure of the same from the old FFL hands as well that's just as uninteresting and annoying to those who aren't directly involved in it. Fabulous point! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? Speaking for myself: Why should behavior that I find objectionable on alt.m.t be somehow immune to complaint here? Spiritual one-upmanship is spiritual one-upmanship whether it takes place there or here. It would be just as objectionable if it were *only* here. My point wasn't directed specifically at you, it was at the lot of the a.m.t. folks. Your point is well-taken. An example that comes to mind is going back to school later in my life when I was older. Because I did not know a soul when I showed up I was able to act in ways new and exciting and previously only fantasized about by me because there was no one acting towards me as friends/family of years had been causing my response to be the same old responses. I am asking if that were possible here in these circumstances. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And still another part of it is past history (on alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are experientially impoverished compared to himself-- including demanding that they relate their experiences and claiming that if they don't, they must not have had any. It becomes really quite unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a taste of it here. Okay, we've got a history here! Now I get it. Don't forget the other two parts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all have to download the output of these caterwailing foxes, sitting on garden walls screaming at eachother. 1. If you read FFL in the archives, you can select which messages to download. So, no, *we* do not all have to download the endless nitpicking. Personally, I don't. 2. Even if you receive FFL in email, and you do download the stream of traffic, no one is forcing you to read it all. Using an email client with the ability to filter may also be of help in enhancing the personally perceived signal to noise ratio. Why curse the darkness when you have the power to turn on a light? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good kick in the backside somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University is having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? L B S PS MORE IMPORTANT Diverting the attention from the sutra in any way interferes with the practice, as I have understood it. Does anyone seriously believe that there is something better than simple, natural, innocent in this regard? I think obsessing about optimal conditions for sutra practice would be at least as detrimental as requiring someone to be present. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? Speaking for myself: Why should behavior that I find objectionable on alt.m.t be somehow immune to complaint here? Spiritual one-upmanship is spiritual one-upmanship whether it takes place there or here. It would be just as objectionable if it were *only* here. My point wasn't directed specifically at you, it was at the lot of the a.m.t. folks. Your point is well-taken. An example that comes to mind is going back to school later in my life when I was older. Because I did not know a soul when I showed up I was able to act in ways new and exciting and previously only fantasized about by me because there was no one acting towards me as friends/family of years had been causing my response to be the same old responses. I am asking if that were possible here in these circumstances. I dunno, I don't feel my behavior is somehow constrained by people who know me, such that I'd feel free to behave differently with folks who don't. Maybe when I was younger that was more the case. The older I get, the more I'm inclined to just speak my mind no matter who's listening. The older you are, the more people you've met and dealt with, and the less influence any one group of people has over you, or so I find to be the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] Personally, I feel that the purity of the teaching as I have understood it has already been lost. There is very little there left preserving, and that which is worthy of preserving can best be saved outside the context of the organization. So which branch of Christianity has done the best at preserving the oral tradition? I am not discussing Christianity here, so I will not bother responding to this question. You're complaining about oral traditions and their preservation and about the lousy job of this that the TMO has done. That interpretation is justified neither by what I wrote nor by what I intended. First, I'm not discussing oral traditions; you have inserted that topic into the string on your own accord. What do YOU mean by purity of the teaching, if not the oral tradition of teaching TM? Second, I'm not complaining. I am analyzing, and the result of my analysis is somewhat negative with regard to the content. That may seem like a distinction without a difference to you, but for me it is significant. Seeing how I'm still stuck about the distinction you make between the purity of the tradition and the purity of the [oral] tradition of TM, I guess I'm REALLY missing your point. The TMO has been set up specifically to preserve its oral tradition. That is NOT the case for ANY major branch of the Christian religion, and it shows, IMHO. Whether or not the TMO approach will work for any length of time remains to be seen. What we CAN be sure of is that most, if not all, other approaches have not seemed to work. Look at Benson's Relaxation Response, based on numerous interviews with TMers. Look at Chopra's own meditation technique, and how he presents it to people. We can see the results of the telephone effect immediately (within a generation of second-handness). Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's techniques, useful or not, aren't deemed central to his organization, as far as I can tell, because his charitable works are the only pretty much the only thing discussed here. Your penchant for straw man arguments could take up a lot of band width at this rate. Your inability to address my points takes up at least as much if not more. Ho hum. MMY has always been consistent in his representation of what he believes is important, and I find it amusing that people criticize him for building an organization specifically designed to preserve that which he deems most important. Surely you jest! Maharishi has changed his game plan more times than I can recall, as has been observed time and again in this forum. At the most obvious level, what has become of the priority to have large numbers of ordinary people meditating, or large numbers of Sidhas flying together, etc, etc.? And so? Its HIS game plan to change, and his teaching method to change. Purity of the teaching is his to define, as well... Well, which is it then? Either he is consistent as you claim in your previous post, or it doesn't matter because it's HIS game plan to change. Get back to me when you have decided. Or he has some idea of what changes are good to make to his own teaching method and what changes are not good to make to his own teaching method that those of us who aren't the original authors of MMY's teaching method may not catch? Get back to me when you have a clue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Haiku (was Jewish Haiku)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: old man's portrait hangs in empty domes and centers no laughter, no light Cute, but none of these have a kijo (season word) in them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kigo Done sleepitating I slowly open my eyes Sun shines out here, too To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Nicely done, Akasha. You have demonstrated once again that there's nothing like a shot of dispassionate discourse to take some of the vinegar out of a pissing contest. Allow me to add a few thoughts of my own. One of the persistent problems with miracles, as gleefully noted by professional skeptics of the materialist persuasion, is the manifest absence of manifest evidence. The faithful, and even the rational, will respond in kind that absence of proof is not the functional equivalent of proof of absence. Nevertheless, a pattern appears to persist: generally speaking, miracles cannot be verified. [Note: I am not denying, for example, the occurrance of miraculous recovery from illness, etc., but am referring here to that broad class of phenomena loosely referred as the paranormal. Like levitation.] Yes, eye witness accounts abound, but there also a general pattern is found: the witnesses are not unanimous about what they saw. Examples that come to mind include the Fatima manifestations, the appearance of the angel Moroni to Joseph Smith and a few others at Palmyra, and one or two others I can't remember at the moment. The only unambiguous case of levitation that I know of was Joseph of Cupertino, and that is some centuries past. What does it mean that these things appear to be immune to objective verification? Some would argue, and quite reasonably, I think, that objectivity itself is an illusion which disappears under close scrutiny. However, I personally do not find that argument completely satisfactory in cases like this. Proponents of levitation as an achievable skill are comparatively more unanimous in saying that real levitation includes gross, observable movement of the physical body. To me, that would be the Gold Standard. Nevertheless, I am willing to accept the proposition that some other, worthwhile phenomenon could occur which has more to do with perceptions of subtle bodies, etc. I know people who claim to have eyewitnessed real levitation, and some who claim to have accomplished it. I simply don't know how to evaluate such claims. I know that I have been lied to about it by Governors who were told to lie about it by Maharishi, but that's all history and I don't know anyone who cares about it any more. The bottom line in terms of this discussion is that there is certainlty in the mind of one participant, and a wide range of responses among the others. It strikes me almost as a cosmic principle that it somehow MUST be this way, because hey, that's the way it is. For those who have seen what they have seen and doubt not, no amount of discussion is likely to change their stance. For those who have heard what they have heard and doubt, emphatically, no amount of passion is likely to convince. It's beautiful, isn't it? L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen I've read through all these posts in this exchange and I can't find a hint of this spiritual-one-upsmanship. What are you talking about Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then considering the possibility that there was some sort of subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big deal? Its an interesting exchange, on several levels, including different perceptions of what people mean by the same words, subtle positioning, and subjective / objective realities. Since words are just rough maps for concepts and concepts are rough maps for both inner and outer phenomenon, its a wonder -- to me-- that we actually communiate at all sometimes. For example, there appears to be a different take on the word real. Per my reading of the views, one person is holding real to be both trans-personal and objectively (aka mechanically, measurably) verifiable (e.g., could be seen on video cam). Another is viewing real as subjective reality, that if the perception was real, then it was real, it was a real experience. Its this clinging to ones own view of what the word real means, and not seeing or acknowledging what the other may mean by the term, which is causing the war of words and abrasive feelings back and forth. It seems to me there are at least five possibilities here, without much need for arguing or spite. 1) objectively, mechanically and mesurably verifiable leviation took place. This might include Rama sitting on a digital scale with constant readout to show changes weight, video cam verification, laser light encircling to verify no wires etc. 2) a subtle phenomenon / siddi in which a subtle form of Rama levitated and he similtatnously enlivened some subtle perception in many but not all attendees to see the phenomenon. 3) some powerful suggestion / trance (from teacher or by observer themselves to themselves) techniques that result in some strong cognitive distortion. 4)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual power and the rest of you peons haven't. Take some advice, Unc: if you truly have experienced such an incredible phenomenon that is unprovable, restrain your obviously uncontrollable desire to tell the world how cool you are and keep it to yourself. Unc, from my side I am most happy to hear your account(s) -- you have really helped clarify and confirm some of my own thoughts on phenomena of this sort, and I thank you :-) Rory, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on these phenomena if you care to share them. Many of us have had these experiences which are experienced as real, yet not quite physical. You've spoken before about possible explanations. If you care to again, I'm sure there is more interest than just mine on the board here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book L B book on Dev Go for it L.B.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does it now stand L.B. ... its so important perhaps should be passed top otheres for speed... Its so very important for us all to soon very soon see .! Give us an up date please. Right now all the people whose input is required for completion have other responsibilities to deal with. No funding is available to facilitate. It will have to wait a bit. L B S -Original Message- From: L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:13:58 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. Thanks for thinking of me, Pat, but I am not even remotely interested in such a project. I already have one unfinished translation on my plate, and I am sure it is worthy of publication. This other thing, by comparison, is just chaff in the wind. L B S - PJG --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what happens when men and women [are] gathered in the same place. I have not read the book. But it has send some waves of chock among the Sidhas in Norway Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? - Patrick Gillam I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is maybe something like The Clowns Masks. I got the title in Swedish - so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2nd Day of Sat Yuga? Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/movies/24chop.html?8hpib Excerpts Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad By ANUPAMA CHOPRA NY Times snip We are witnessing (no pun intended) the further integration of Indian culture into the rest of the world and vice-versa. As long as the soup has a distinctive flavor from time to time, the ingredients will change regularly during Sat Yuga. Its a matter of pefection in the moment, to moment, to moment. Economically, this is occurring with India too, and strongly noticed here in Silicon Valley. Many, many companies have outsourced some of their engineering functions to India. What is your take, 108? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And still another part of it is past history (on alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are experientially impoverished compared to himself-- including demanding that they relate their experiences and claiming that if they don't, they must not have had any. It becomes really quite unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a taste of it here. Okay, we've got a history here! Now I get it. I'll bet a dollar that Judy and Barry were monks in a past life, having very similar arguments. I've been seeing that image all day long particularly when I read Judy's stuff. Buddhist monks in the East. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good kick in the backside somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University is having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? L B S PS MORE IMPORTANT Diverting the attention from the sutra in any way interferes with the practice, as I have understood it. Does anyone seriously believe that there is something better than simple, natural, innocent in this regard? I think obsessing about optimal conditions for sutra practice would be at least as detrimental as requiring someone to be present. The beauty of this teaching, as I understood it when I became a teacher, was that it was not necessary for anyone to obsess about what constitutes optimal conditions for practice. Those things had been worked out, and the best way to mess it up would be to add something. Like, perhaps, a kick in the backside. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's entirely possible he can be a decent, genuine human being in person. Jim's right; I think you both are truly great -- as is Jim himself! Let's raise a glass to all three of you -- if not tonight in a cafe in Paris in 3-D, perhaps we are there in E-D (extradimensionality) -- the space of the Heart :-) As you well know, its a big, big table, plenty of glasses and toasts to go around! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On Jul 23, 2005, at 11:16 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I'll bet a dollar that Judy and Barry were monks in a past life, having very similar arguments. I've been seeing that image all day long particularly when I read Judy's stuff. Buddhist monks in the East. As Buddha Shakyamuni said--'if you want to understand what happened in your past lives, look at the patterns in the current life.' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The beauty of this teaching, as I understood it when I became a teacher, was that it was not necessary for anyone to obsess about what constitutes optimal conditions for practice. Those things had been worked out, and the best way to mess it up would be to add something. Like, perhaps, a kick in the backside. Amen to that! Yes, I completely agree. The beauty about TM for me has always been its utter simplicity and versatility, and the complete independence of the practice from any group, unless one so chooses. Practice it anywhere- (except the US Congress, and while driving that is). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] Personally, I feel that the purity of the teaching as I have understood it has already been lost. There is very little there left preserving, and that which is worthy of preserving can best be saved outside the context of the organization. So which branch of Christianity has done the best at preserving the oral tradition? I am not discussing Christianity here, so I will not bother responding to this question. You're complaining about oral traditions and their preservation and about the lousy job of this that the TMO has done. That interpretation is justified neither by what I wrote nor by what I intended. First, I'm not discussing oral traditions; you have inserted that topic into the string on your own accord. What do YOU mean by purity of the teaching, if not the oral tradition of teaching TM? At the risk of being redundant, I will once again attempt to point out that the topic of oral traditions was introduced by you, not by me. I was not discussing oral traditions, but rather the purity of the teaching in the TMO. These topics are not identical unless one defines them to be at the outset and proceeds on that basis. As I have said in other posts, in my opinion there is more involved in the purity of the teaching than the specific content, part of which by the way is strictly oral tradition, and part of which is not. Second, I'm not complaining. I am analyzing, and the result of my analysis is somewhat negative with regard to the content. That may seem like a distinction without a difference to you, but for me it is significant. Seeing how I'm still stuck about the distinction you make between the purity of the tradition and the purity of the [oral] tradition of TM, I guess I'm REALLY missing your point. You are, and there's not much I can do to help if you are unwilling to read these posts more conscientiously. The TMO has been set up specifically to preserve its oral tradition. That is NOT the case for ANY major branch of the Christian religion, and it shows, IMHO. Whether or not the TMO approach will work for any length of time remains to be seen. What we CAN be sure of is that most, if not all, other approaches have not seemed to work. Look at Benson's Relaxation Response, based on numerous interviews with TMers. Look at Chopra's own meditation technique, and how he presents it to people. We can see the results of the telephone effect immediately (within a generation of second-handness). Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's techniques, useful or not, aren't deemed central to his organization, as far as I can tell, because his charitable works are the only pretty much the only thing discussed here. Your penchant for straw man arguments could take up a lot of band width at this rate. Your inability to address my points takes up at least as much if not more. Ho hum. MMY has always been consistent in his representation of what he believes is important, and I find it amusing that people criticize him for building an organization specifically designed to preserve that which he deems most important. Surely you jest! Maharishi has changed his game plan more times than I can recall, as has been observed time and again in this forum. At the most obvious level, what has become of the priority to have large numbers of ordinary people meditating, or large numbers of Sidhas flying together, etc, etc.? And so? Its HIS game plan to change, and his teaching method to change. Purity of the teaching is his to define, as well... Well, which is it then? Either he is consistent as you claim in your previous post, or it doesn't matter because it's HIS game plan to change. Get back to me when you have decided. Or he has some idea of what changes are good to make to his own teaching method and what changes are not good to make to his own teaching method that those of us who aren't the original authors of MMY's teaching method may not catch? Get back to me when you have a clue. Sorry, you are already so far down the slippery slope of pissing contests that I'm afraid I won't be able to find you. L B S To subscribe, send a
[FairfieldLife] Patanjali's criteria for levitation
What *were* Patanjali's criteria for levitation? Are they all met within the TMSP, and therefore should we expect more than bhuchari siddhi (hopping)? Well, Patanjali gives at least TWO formulae for achieving levitation: 1) YS III:39 Through mastery of udaana-prana, non-adhesion to water, mud or thorns--the power of rising (utkraanti). and the TMSP sutra: 2) YS III:42 Through samayama on the relation between the body and ether and through absorption on cotton fiber's lightness--we traverse space. What's missing here? Duh! What is udana? How is it different from the other pranas? How is it channeled into the neck and head? Isn't that dangerous? Even if we did manage to do these two, why didn't we get that the 4th pranayama in pada 2 was the key to go beyond the formulae? The answer: he were never told. What I wonder is: why were you never told? or WHY DID YOU NEVER ASK? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
