[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > snip > > > My roommate during my last year with the TM organization > > was an airbrush artist who did costumes for Doug Henning. > > So Doug would come over to the house a lot and would > > show us some close-up magic. I know he was most famous > > for his big stage effects, but the man's real genius was with > > his close-up magic. I was two feet in front of him, able to > > move around and look at his hands from any angle I chose, > > and I still couldn't figure out how he did it. > > In Colo. I used to watch "Doc" do his bar majic in Snowmass. After a > while I would just look at his "other" hand. That's where the trick > was. It was right in front of you. Simple misdirection. This is a > lesson I have enjoyedly applied to life. Look for the background or > the less obvious. That's were the action is taking place. That's actually why Doug was so good at close-up magic. There was no "other hand." In the trick I'm thinking about, he was sitting cross-legged with both bare arms stretching out in front of him, palms down, hands closed. Then he'd turn both hands over, slowly. In one hand would be a gold coin, in the other, none. Then he'd just turn his hands over, the coins would switch places, And various permutations on this. It was cool *because* there was no distraction. He was so good at this stuff he didn't *need* distractions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing > > head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: > > Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual "power" and > > the rest of you peons haven't. > > > > Take some advice, Unc: if you truly have experienced such an > > incredible phenomenon that is unprovable, restrain your obviously > > uncontrollable desire to tell the world how cool you are and keep it > > to yourself. > > Unc, from my side I am most happy to hear your account(s) -- you have > really helped clarify and confirm some of my own thoughts on phenomena > of this sort, and I thank you :-) Someone asked an honest question, I gave an hones answer. That's all. All the pissy stuff isince has been from people who didn't like the answer, or what it implied about their assumptions about an experience they've never had but feel they know everything about. It's like this anytime the subject comes up anywhere. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" [...] > As a general statement, I agree with that. I do not agree, however, with your other > assertions regarding my definitions of "purity of the teaching". It was you, on the other > hand, who incorrectly assumed that "purity of the teaching" and "preservation of oral > traditions" were equivalent terms, thereby injecting an extraneous element into the > discussion. > OK, when I said "oral traditions," and "purity of the teaching," I was, without thinking, referring to the oral aspects of both teaching TM AND teaching someone to become a TM teacher as opposed to other aspects, which was confusion on my part, though MMY appears to believe that the oral parts are most likely to get confused in the long run. Certainly, its easier to have a "telephone" distortion-effect from oral transmission than from written transmission. MMY's video tapes are meant to help prevent that. The entire structure of TM teacher training is also meant to help prevent that. Er, what were we talking about again? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" [...] > As a general statement, I agree with that. I do not agree, however, with your other > assertions regarding my definitions of "purity of the teaching". It was you, on the other > hand, who incorrectly assumed that "purity of the teaching" and "preservation of oral > traditions" were equivalent terms, thereby injecting an extraneous element into the > discussion. > OK, when I said "oral traditions," and "purity of the teaching," I was, without thinking, referring to the oral aspects of both teaching TM AND teaching someone to become a TM teacher as opposed to other aspects, which was confusion on my part, though MMY appears to believe that the oral parts are most likely to get confused in the long run. Certainly, its easier to have a "telephone" distortion-effect from oral transmission than from written transmission. MMY's video tapes are meant to help prevent that. The entire structure of TM teacher training is also meant to help prevent that. Er, what were we talking about again? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > [...] > > > > > You're complaining about oral traditions and their > preservation > > > and > > > > > about the lousy job of this that the TMO has done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That interpretation is justified neither by what I wrote nor by > > > what I intended. > > > > > > > > First, I'm not discussing "oral traditions"; you have inserted > that > > > topic into the string on > > > > your own accord. > > > > > > What do YOU mean by "purity of the teaching," if not the oral > > > tradition of teaching TM? > > > > > > > > At the risk of being redundant, I will once again attempt to point > out that the topic of "oral > > traditions" was introduced by you, not by me. I was not > discussing "oral traditions", but > > rather the "purity of the teaching" in the TMO. These topics are > not identical unless one > > defines them to be at the outset and proceeds on that basis. As I > have said in other posts, > > in my opinion there is more involved in the purity of the teaching > than the specific > > content, part of which by the way is strictly oral tradition, and > part of which is not. > > Well, when *I* started TM, "purity of the teaching" was understood by > me (and by most other people, I'll bet) to refer to the specifics of > teaching TM, NOT some extra stuff added later on. Purity of the teaching, in the narrow sense, refers to the content and methods of instruction, which are valued, not so much for their own sake, as for the effects they produce, the most important of which would probably be effortless transcending. However, I doubt if most people would object if we also included the purity of the intent of the initiator as part of the purity of the teaching. Unless, of course, you object and would like to state your case. Thus far, I don't see that I've added anything to the common understanding of "purity of the teaching", and I am confident that you are unable to identify any other element that I have added, despite your apparent assertion that I have done so. > If you're going off on tangets by defining "purity of the teaching" > by some non-standard term that YOU never defined at the start of this > discussion, but simply assumed that everyone else had to agree with, > well, bully for you, but its not how to conduct a discussion. If you truly feel qualified to give lessons on how to conduct a discussion, please indicate how my understanding of the concept is nonstandard, as you assert . > > Terms that are undefined at the start are assumed to be the most > common definition, not someone's ad hoc definition that he/she has > never defined. As a general statement, I agree with that. I do not agree, however, with your other assertions regarding my definitions of "purity of the teaching". It was you, on the other hand, who incorrectly assumed that "purity of the teaching" and "preservation of oral traditions" were equivalent terms, thereby injecting an extraneous element into the discussion. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: We're today's SRF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I remember when I started TM back in '73 there was talk about > Yogananda's organisation called the Self-Realization Fellowship. Most > people I knew had read his book and thought of him fondly as a > result. His organisation, however, seemed to be of the past, one that > had seen its best days and although still in existence, seemed > populated only by a few little old ladies who met once every few > months over a coffee klatch. > > Well, 32 years later I get the impression that the TMO is today's > SRF. Few people start TM and those of us who got into TM in a big way > in the '70s are now in our 50s and 60s. No one takes us seriously > (indeed, The TMO is a marginal joke, at best) and, like the SRF of > the '70s, we may meet in our respective cities for TM meetings of old > meditators once every few months...we are, indeed, a bunch of little > old ladies who sip tea and sit around dreaming of the World Plan that > our guru promulgated and spending the rest of the time in idle > Movement gossip. Things may be changing (or not). Never give up hope for improvements in things that you value. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > > > You're complaining about oral traditions and their preservation > > and > > > > about the lousy job of this that the TMO has done. > > > > > > > > > > > > That interpretation is justified neither by what I wrote nor by > > what I intended. > > > > > > First, I'm not discussing "oral traditions"; you have inserted that > > topic into the string on > > > your own accord. > > > > What do YOU mean by "purity of the teaching," if not the oral > > tradition of teaching TM? > > > > At the risk of being redundant, I will once again attempt to point out that the topic of "oral > traditions" was introduced by you, not by me. I was not discussing "oral traditions", but > rather the "purity of the teaching" in the TMO. These topics are not identical unless one > defines them to be at the outset and proceeds on that basis. As I have said in other posts, > in my opinion there is more involved in the purity of the teaching than the specific > content, part of which by the way is strictly oral tradition, and part of which is not. Well, when *I* started TM, "purity of the teaching" was understood by me (and by most other people, I'll bet) to refer to the specifics of teaching TM, NOT some extra stuff added later on. If you're going off on tangets by defining "purity of the teaching" by some non-standard term that YOU never defined at the start of this discussion, but simply assumed that everyone else had to agree with, well, bully for you, but its not how to conduct a discussion. Terms that are undefined at the start are assumed to be the most common definition, not someone's ad hoc definition that he/she has never defined. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The beauty of this teaching, as I understood it when I became a > teacher, was that it was > > not necessary for anyone to obsess about what constitutes optimal > conditions for practice. > > Those things had been worked out, and the best way to mess it up > would be to add > > something. Like, perhaps, a kick in the backside. > > Amen to that! Yes, I completely agree. The beauty about TM for me has > always been its utter simplicity and versatility, and the complete > independence of the practice from any group, unless one so chooses. > Practice it anywhere- (except the US Congress, and while driving that > is). But if you're a student who has accepted grant/scholarship money specifically to participate in a school where group meditation/sidhis practice is expected, what is the specific objection? Perhaps these students all paid their own way, in which case perhaps they should issue specially colored badges to the scholarship students so they can be singled out for disciplinary action... You take my point? People end up at MUM because they've elected to participate in the programs there, not just to take classes. If they're not willing to participate, then they should leave. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is > > > playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed > > > your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool > > > spiritual "power" and the rest of you peons haven't. > > > > Bingo. > > > > And the proof is how nasty he gets when > > somebody turns out not to be impressed. > > > > If you're not convinced of how cool he is > > by what he's told you about what he > > experienced, he has to convince *himself* > > he's cool by putting you down. > > It's obviously a.m.t. cyberstalker "pile on" time. > > I will allow you guys to flame among yourselves. > Got better things to do. :-) Can I join? So now, your definition of "cyberstalker" is anyone who disagrees with you? In fact, I don't recall that Shremp has ever gotten your ire up before... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book & L B book on Dev Go for it L.B.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > How l.B, would funding now facilitate others if they are busy with other > responbilities? .. what dollar funding is now required in dollars ? How would this speed there actins or yours? Is it in there hands or yours or both?... We seem to be on a more than several years. quest for funds , Dollars which have perhaps been diverted or used for living expenses? MOST necesasary however to continue the work we understand & know but is NOT?? the main effort or use for the funds to go for publishing? We seem to be always raising funds with out progress? Up date us on this PLEASE. ... & thanks in advance for your responces in the past regarding this most important work you do for us all! I am sorry that you found it necessary to include such irresponsible allegations in your request for an update on the book project. Perhaps your own motivations in this matter might be worthy of review. I think we are all aware that there is a climate of negative expectations regarding many projects associated with the movement at this time. Certainly I am aware that the prolonged gestation of this book has created negative expectations in the minds of many who look forward to reading it. To whatever extent some weakness in my own performance in that regard has been a contributing factor, I am sorry indeed. The truth of the matter FROM THE VERY BEGINNING was that I never knew how long it would take, even though I may have thought otherwise. The book is, in fact, very near completion at this timeand it is ABSOLUTELY not the case that there has been no progressbut even now I cannot give a specific timetable due to variables not under my control. I have given several updates in this forum, some of them fairly detailed, but frankly, I would prefer not to discuss the project in public again until I can make the publication announcement. However, anyone with a serious interest in the project may feel free to contact me offline if they would like to discuss it further. L B S > -Original Message- > From: L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 03:04:59 - > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book & L B book on Dev Go for it > L.B. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Where does it now stand L.B. ... its so important perhaps should be > > passed > top > otheres for speed... Its so very important for us all to soon very soon see > .! > Give us an up > date please. > > > > Right now all the people whose input is required for completion have other > responsibilities > to deal with. No funding is available to facilitate. It will have to wait a > bit. > > L B S > > > > -Original Message- > > From: L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:13:58 - > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. > > > > > > > > Thanks for thinking of me, Pat, but I am not even remotely interested in > > such > a > > project. > > > > I already have one unfinished translation on my plate, and I am sure it is > > worthy of > > publication. This other thing, by comparison, is just chaff in the wind. > > > > L B S > > > > > - PJG > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL > > > > PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Ingegerd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what > > > > > > happens when men and women [are] gathered > > > > > > in the same place. I have not read the book. > > > > > > But it has send some waves of chock > > > > > > among the Sidhas in Norway > > > > > > > > > > Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? > > > > > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > > > > > I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is > > > > maybe something like "The Clowns Masks". I got the title in Swedish - > > > > so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the > > > > book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling > > > > me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. > > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links To s
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but > today is > > > > positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. > Big > > > > yellow full moon coming up. > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev! > > > > > > > > OffWorld > > > > > > > > How NE is Sunnyvale? > > > > > > Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco > Bay > > > Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. > > > > How's Buffy? O wait, that's SunnyDALE... > > Somehow I saw the movie- never watched the series, but the movie was > ok. The same guy did the TV series as the movie. It wasn't a carbon copy of the movie, but definitely based on the same premise. Some very good writing went into that show. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep > > > people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. > > > > > > JohnY > > > > The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a > > combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for > > Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they > > are in the Academy. > > Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the > > country - that could do the following-up after the students left the > > Academy. > > Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many > > of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed > > about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. > > They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. > > Ingegerd > > > > In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching > lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. > So, the all-new TMorganization is what, a few months old and you're complaining about followup issues? Give it a year or 5. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > My roommate during my last year with the TM organization > was an airbrush artist who did costumes for Doug Henning. > So Doug would come over to the house a lot and would > show us some close-up magic. I know he was most famous > for his big stage effects, but the man's real genius was with > his close-up magic. I was two feet in front of him, able to > move around and look at his hands from any angle I chose, > and I still couldn't figure out how he did it. In Colo. I used to watch "Doc" do his bar majic in Snowmass. After a while I would just look at his "other" hand. That's where the trick was. It was right in front of you. Simple misdirection. This is a lesson I have enjoyedly applied to life. Look for the background or the less obvious. That's were the action is taking place. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rory, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on these > phenomena if you care to share them. Many of us have had these > experiences which are experienced as real, yet not quite physical. > You've spoken before about possible explanations. If you care to > again, I'm sure there is more interest than just mine on the board > here. I don't know, Jim. An easy solution would be to ascribe the phenomena to one or another of the subtle bodies, but such a categorizing doesn't quite seem to do them justice. Generally speaking, it is not really difficult to distinguish between subtle, interior, subjective experiences (like out-of-body experiences, OOBs and "overshadowing") and gross, exterior, objective ones, and somehow these phenomena fit neither category, or both. Indeed there is a clear sense of the quickening or raising of the vibration of the physical body before these fluid-state phenomena occur, and the distinct feeling that one does not leave the physical body behind as one might in an OOB experience. Rather, it is as if the physical form itself becomes subtle. Unlike any subtle-body experience I ever encountered, this phenomenon is so mind-blowing precisely *because it appears to be physical.* Very deep-seated understandings of physical-vs.non-physical, "real" vs. "less-real" all have to go out the window. Since that first time, it has become more evident that interdimensional or extradimensional portals are (probably) always available -- one apparently need only have the understanding of the Now and the True desire to recontact these other aspects of ourself to effect a visible, heartfelt reunion with extremely specific and physically(?)-detailed beings in the sea of Love. Somehow now that I think of it this does not seem so different from the specific enlivenment of the various devas and rishis etc. within the body during a puja or yagya. These too seem to be both rather "subtle" and "gross" simultaneously. There is much here that remains a Mystery to me :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [...] > > > > > > That's the element I would see as the next stage of the > > > TM approach to> > > > > > Actually, from MMY's perspective, that's full-blown Unity. Floating > > during the Yogic FLying sutra practice would come WY > > before "whenever he felt like it"... > > 1. I don't believe that there is any link whatsoever between > the siddhis and one's state of consciousness. Apples and > oranges. Not in MMY's cosmology, but whatever. > > 2. By "whenever he felt like it," I was referring to being able > to float without the use of any technique. That's what I meant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Sat Yuga Drum Set
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen < snip > On my Governor trainning we were told to underline > phrases in the 9th and 10th mandala that innocently > correlated with our experiences. Bevan (pre-famous) > was telling us to do this. Some wit asked Bevan what > we should do once we had underlined both the mandalas. > Without missing a beat Bevan said," Then you get to go > on a special course." Quite funny at the time! Bevan had a sweet side. In Biarittz in '75 or '76, I had a bad toothache and had to go to the dentist. I recall Bevan being very sympathetic. lurk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] > Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual > movements give such power to the penis and vagina. > They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the > genitals is such a strange thing! > Let me tell you the old Native American story about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fuck Rama, put it to sleep. > I still say something good could come about from you examining this aversion you have to Rama, other than "I know people that got side tracked following this guy" lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip > > Yes, eye witness accounts abound, but there also a > general pattern is found: the witnesses > are not unanimous about what they saw. Examples that > come to mind include the Fatima > manifestations, the appearance of the angel Moroni > to Joseph Smith and a few others at > Palmyra, and one or two others I can't remember at > the moment. Two very stable and rational people that I know, while living in Fairfield, experienced the "same thing" in utterly different ways. One saw lights descend from the sky and come towards her. The other person just saw planets in the night sky. Same event, radically different experiences. > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Patanjali's criteria for levitation
What *were* Patanjali's criteria for levitation? Are they all met within the TMSP, and therefore should we expect more than "bhuchari siddhi" (hopping)? Well, Patanjali gives at least TWO formulae for achieving levitation: 1) YS III:39 Through mastery of udaana-prana, non-adhesion to water, mud or thorns--the power of "rising" (utkraanti). and the TMSP sutra: 2) YS III:42 Through samayama on the relation between the body and ether and through absorption on cotton fiber's lightness--we traverse space. What's missing here? Duh! What is udana? How is it different from the other pranas? How is it channeled into the neck and head? Isn't that dangerous? Even if we did manage to do these two, why didn't we get that the 4th pranayama in pada 2 was the key to go beyond the formulae? The answer: he were never told. What I wonder is: why were you never told? or WHY DID YOU NEVER ASK? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book & L B book on Dev Go for it L.B.
How l.B, would funding now facilitate others if they are busy with other responbilities? .. what dollar funding is now required in dollars ? How would this speed there actins or yours? Is it in there hands or yours or both? ... We seem to be on a more than several years. quest for funds , Dollars which have perhaps been diverted or used for living expenses? MOST necesasary however to continue the work we understand & know but is NOT?? the main effort or use for the funds to go for publishing? We seem to be always raising funds with out progress? Up date us on this PLEASE. ... & thanks in advance for your responces in the past regarding this most important work you do for us all! -Original Message-From: L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 03:04:59 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book & L B book on Dev Go for it L.B. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Where does it now stand L.B. ... its so important perhaps should be passed top otheres for speed... Its so very important for us all to soon very soon see .! Give us an up date please. Right now all the people whose input is required for completion have other responsibilities to deal with. No funding is available to facilitate. It will have to wait a bit. L B S > > -Original Message- > From: L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:13:58 - > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. > > > > Thanks for thinking of me, Pat, but I am not even remotely interested in such a > project. > > I already have one unfinished translation on my plate, and I am sure it is > worthy of > publication. This other thing, by comparison, is just chaff in the wind. > > L B S > > > - PJG > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Ingegerd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what > > > > > happens when men and women [are] gathered > > > > > in the same place. I have not read the book. > > > > > But it has send some waves of chock > > > > > among the Sidhas in Norway > > > > > > > > Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? > > > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > > > I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is > > > maybe something like "The Clowns Masks". I got the title in Swedish - > > > so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the > > > book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling > > > me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. > > > Ingegerd > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] We're today's SRF
I remember when I started TM back in '73 there was talk about Yogananda's organisation called the Self-Realization Fellowship. Most people I knew had read his book and thought of him fondly as a result. His organisation, however, seemed to be of the past, one that had seen its best days and although still in existence, seemed populated only by a few little old ladies who met once every few months over a coffee klatch. Well, 32 years later I get the impression that the TMO is today's SRF. Few people start TM and those of us who got into TM in a big way in the '70s are now in our 50s and 60s. No one takes us seriously (indeed, The TMO is a marginal joke, at best) and, like the SRF of the '70s, we may meet in our respective cities for TM meetings of old meditators once every few months...we are, indeed, a bunch of little old ladies who sip tea and sit around dreaming of the World Plan that our guru promulgated and spending the rest of the time in idle Movement gossip. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I feel that the "purity of the teaching" as I > have > > > understood it has already > > > > > been > > > > > > lost. There is very little there left preserving, and that > > > which is worthy of preserving > > > > can > > > > > > best be saved outside the context of the organization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So which branch of Christianity has done the best at > preserving > > > the oral tradition? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not discussing Christianity here, so I will not bother > > > responding to this question. > > > > > > You're complaining about oral traditions and their preservation > and > > > about the lousy job of this that the TMO has done. > > > > > > > > That interpretation is justified neither by what I wrote nor by > what I intended. > > > > First, I'm not discussing "oral traditions"; you have inserted that > topic into the string on > > your own accord. > > What do YOU mean by "purity of the teaching," if not the oral > tradition of teaching TM? At the risk of being redundant, I will once again attempt to point out that the topic of "oral traditions" was introduced by you, not by me. I was not discussing "oral traditions", but rather the "purity of the teaching" in the TMO. These topics are not identical unless one defines them to be at the outset and proceeds on that basis. As I have said in other posts, in my opinion there is more involved in the purity of the teaching than the specific content, part of which by the way is strictly oral tradition, and part of which is not. > > > > > > > Second, I'm not complaining. I am analyzing, and the result of my > analysis is somewhat > > negative with regard to the content. That may seem like a > distinction without a difference > > to you, but for me it is significant. > > > > Seeing how I'm still stuck about the distinction you make between > the "purity of the tradition" and the "purity of the [oral] > tradition" of TM, I guess I'm REALLY missing your point. You are, and there's not much I can do to help if you are unwilling to read these posts more conscientiously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TMO has been set up specifically to preserve its oral > > > tradition. That is NOT the case > > > > > for ANY major branch of the Christian religion, and it shows, > > > IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > Whether or not the TMO approach will work for any length of > time > > > remains to be seen. > > > > > What we CAN be sure of is that most, if not all, other > approaches > > > have not seemed to > > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > Look at Benson's Relaxation Response, based on numerous > > > interviews with TMers. Look > > > > at > > > > > Chopra's own meditation technique, and how he presents it to > > > people. We can see the > > > > > results of the telephone effect immediately (within a > generation > > > of second-handness). > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's techniques, useful or not, aren't > deemed > > > central to his > > > > organization, > > > > > as far as I can tell, because his charitable works are the > only > > > pretty much the only thing > > > > > discussed here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your penchant for straw man arguments could take up a lot of > band > > > width at this rate. > > > > > > > > > Your inability to address my points takes up at least as much if > not > > > more. > > > > > > > > Ho hum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMY has always been consistent in his representation of what > he > > > believes is important, > > > > > and I find it amusing that people criticize him for building > an > > > organization specifically > > > > > designed to preserve that which he deems most important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely you jest! Maharishi has changed his game plan more times > > > than I can recall, as has > > > > been observed time and again in this forum. At the most obvious > > > level, what has become > > > > of the priority to have large numbers of ordinary people > > > meditating, or large numbers of > > > > Sidhas flying together, etc, etc.? > > > > > > And so? Its HIS game plan to change, and his teaching method to > > > change. "Purity of the teaching" is his to define, as well... > > > > > > > > Well, which is it then? Either he is consistent as you claim in > your previous post, or it > > doesn't matter because it's "HIS game plan to change". Get back to > me
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The beauty of this teaching, as I understood it when I became a teacher, was that it was > not necessary for anyone to obsess about what constitutes optimal conditions for practice. > Those things had been worked out, and the best way to mess it up would be to add > something. Like, perhaps, a kick in the backside. Amen to that! Yes, I completely agree. The beauty about TM for me has always been its utter simplicity and versatility, and the complete independence of the practice from any group, unless one so chooses. Practice it anywhere- (except the US Congress, and while driving that is). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On Jul 23, 2005, at 11:16 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > I'll bet a dollar that Judy and Barry were monks in a past life, > having very similar arguments. I've been seeing that image all day > long particularly when I read Judy's stuff. Buddhist monks in the > East. As Buddha Shakyamuni said--'if you want to understand what happened in your past lives, look at the patterns in the current life.' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's entirely possible he can be a decent, genuine > > human being in person. > > Jim's right; I think you both are truly great -- as is Jim himself! > Let's raise a glass to all three of you -- if not tonight in a cafe in > Paris in 3-D, perhaps we are there in E-D (extradimensionality) -- the > space of the Heart :-) As you well know, its a big, big table, plenty of glasses and toasts to go around! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance > at the Dome > > > diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good > kick in the backside > > > somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes > towards group program no > > > doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it > any wonder the University > > is > > > having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? > > > > > > L B S > > > > PS > > > > MORE IMPORTANT > > > > Diverting the attention from the sutra in any way interferes with > the practice, as I have > > understood it. Does anyone seriously believe that there is > something better than "simple, > > natural, innocent" in this regard? > > > > > I think obsessing about optimal conditions for sutra practice would > be at least as detrimental as requiring someone to be present. The beauty of this teaching, as I understood it when I became a teacher, was that it was not necessary for anyone to obsess about what constitutes optimal conditions for practice. Those things had been worked out, and the best way to mess it up would be to add something. Like, perhaps, a kick in the backside. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > And still another part of it is past history (on > > alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in > > which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are > > experientially impoverished compared to himself-- > > including demanding that they relate their > > experiences and claiming that if they don't, they > > must not have had any. It becomes really quite > > unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a > > taste of it here. > > Okay, we've got a history here! Now I get it. > I'll bet a dollar that Judy and Barry were monks in a past life, having very similar arguments. I've been seeing that image all day long particularly when I read Judy's stuff. Buddhist monks in the East. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2nd Day of Sat Yuga? Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/movies/24chop.html?8hpib > > > Excerpts > > > Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad > By ANUPAMA CHOPRA NY Times > We are witnessing (no pun intended) the further integration of Indian culture into the rest of the world and vice-versa. As long as the soup has a distinctive flavor from time to time, the ingredients will change regularly during Sat Yuga. Its a matter of pefection in the moment, to moment, to moment. Economically, this is occurring with India too, and strongly noticed here in Silicon Valley. Many, many companies have outsourced some of their engineering functions to India. What is your take, 108? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book & L B book on Dev Go for it L.B.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Where does it now stand L.B. ... its so important perhaps should be passed > top otheres for speed... Its so very important for us all to soon very soon see .! Give us an up date please. Right now all the people whose input is required for completion have other responsibilities to deal with. No funding is available to facilitate. It will have to wait a bit. L B S > > -Original Message- > From: L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:13:58 - > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. > > > > Thanks for thinking of me, Pat, but I am not even remotely interested in such > a > project. > > I already have one unfinished translation on my plate, and I am sure it is > worthy of > publication. This other thing, by comparison, is just chaff in the wind. > > L B S > > > - PJG > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Ingegerd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what > > > > > happens when men and women [are] gathered > > > > > in the same place. I have not read the book. > > > > > But it has send some waves of chock > > > > > among the Sidhas in Norway > > > > > > > > Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? > > > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > > > I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is > > > maybe something like "The Clowns Masks". I got the title in Swedish - > > > so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the > > > book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling > > > me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. > > > Ingegerd > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing > > head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: > > Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual "power" and > > the rest of you peons haven't. > > > > Take some advice, Unc: if you truly have experienced such an > > incredible phenomenon that is unprovable, restrain your obviously > > uncontrollable desire to tell the world how cool you are and keep it > > to yourself. > > Unc, from my side I am most happy to hear your account(s) -- you have > really helped clarify and confirm some of my own thoughts on phenomena > of this sort, and I thank you :-) Rory, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on these phenomena if you care to share them. Many of us have had these experiences which are experienced as real, yet not quite physical. You've spoken before about possible explanations. If you care to again, I'm sure there is more interest than just mine on the board here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Nicely done, Akasha. You have demonstrated once again that there's nothing like a shot of dispassionate discourse to take some of the vinegar out of a pissing contest. Allow me to add a few thoughts of my own. One of the persistent problems with "miracles", as gleefully noted by professional skeptics of the materialist persuasion, is the manifest absence of manifest evidence. The faithful, and even the rational, will respond in kind that absence of proof is not the functional equivalent of proof of absence. Nevertheless, a pattern appears to persist: generally speaking, miracles cannot be verified. [Note: I am not denying, for example, the occurrance of miraculous recovery from illness, etc., but am referring here to that broad class of phenomena loosely referred as "the paranormal". Like levitation.] Yes, eye witness accounts abound, but there also a general pattern is found: the witnesses are not unanimous about what they saw. Examples that come to mind include the Fatima manifestations, the appearance of the angel Moroni to Joseph Smith and a few others at Palmyra, and one or two others I can't remember at the moment. The only unambiguous case of levitation that I know of was Joseph of Cupertino, and that is some centuries past. What does it mean that these things appear to be immune to objective verification? Some would argue, and quite reasonably, I think, that objectivity itself is an illusion which disappears under close scrutiny. However, I personally do not find that argument completely satisfactory in cases like this. Proponents of levitation as an achievable skill are comparatively more unanimous in saying that real levitation includes gross, observable movement of the physical body. To me, that would be the Gold Standard. Nevertheless, I am willing to accept the proposition that some other, worthwhile phenomenon could occur which has more to do with perceptions of subtle bodies, etc. I know people who claim to have eyewitnessed real levitation, and some who claim to have accomplished it. I simply don't know how to evaluate such claims. I know that I have been lied to about it by Governors who were told to lie about it by Maharishi, but that's all history and I don't know anyone who cares about it any more. The bottom line in terms of this discussion is that there is certainlty in the mind of one participant, and a wide range of responses among the others. It strikes me almost as a cosmic principle that it somehow MUST be this way, because hey, that's the way it is. For those who have seen what they have seen and doubt not, no amount of discussion is likely to change their stance. For those who have heard what they have heard and doubt, emphatically, no amount of passion is likely to convince. It's beautiful, isn't it? L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > I've read > through all these posts in this exchange and > > I can't find a hint of this > > "spiritual-one-upsmanship". What are you talking about > > Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then > > considering the possibility that there was some sort > > of subjective element involved in the perception of > > the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big > > deal? > > > > Its an interesting exchange, on several levels, including different > perceptions of what people mean by the same words, subtle positioning, > and subjective / objective realities. > > Since words are just rough maps for concepts and concepts are rough > maps for both inner and outer phenomenon, its a wonder -- to me-- that > we actually communiate at all sometimes. For example, there appears to > be a different take on the word "real". Per my reading of the views, > one person is holding "real" to be both trans-personal and objectively > (aka mechanically, measurably) verifiable (e.g., could be seen on > video cam). Another is viewing "real" as subjective reality, that if > the perception was real, then it was real, it was a real experience. > Its this clinging to ones own view of what the word "real" means, and > not seeing or acknowledging what the other may mean by the term, which > is causing the war of words and abrasive feelings back and forth. > > It seems to me there are at least five possibilities here, without > much need for arguing or spite. > > 1) objectively, mechanically and mesurably verifiable leviation took > place. This might include Rama sitting on a digital scale with > constant readout to show changes weight, video cam verification, laser > light encircling to verify no wires etc. > > 2) a subtle phenomenon / siddi in which a subtle form of Rama > levitated and he similtatnously enlivened some subtle perception in > many but not all attendees to see the phenomenon. > > 3) some powerful suggestion / trance (from teacher or by observer > themselves to themselves) tech
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Haiku (was Jewish Haiku)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > old man's portrait hangs > > in empty domes and centers > > no laughter, no light > > Cute, but none of these have a kijo (season word) in them. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kigo Done sleepitating I slowly open my eyes Sun shines out here, too To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > [...] > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I feel that the "purity of the teaching" as I have > > understood it has already > > > > been > > > > > lost. There is very little there left preserving, and that > > which is worthy of preserving > > > can > > > > > best be saved outside the context of the organization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So which branch of Christianity has done the best at preserving > > the oral tradition? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not discussing Christianity here, so I will not bother > > responding to this question. > > > > You're complaining about oral traditions and their preservation and > > about the lousy job of this that the TMO has done. > > > > That interpretation is justified neither by what I wrote nor by what I intended. > > First, I'm not discussing "oral traditions"; you have inserted that topic into the string on > your own accord. What do YOU mean by "purity of the teaching," if not the oral tradition of teaching TM? > > Second, I'm not complaining. I am analyzing, and the result of my analysis is somewhat > negative with regard to the content. That may seem like a distinction without a difference > to you, but for me it is significant. > Seeing how I'm still stuck about the distinction you make between the "purity of the tradition" and the "purity of the [oral] tradition" of TM, I guess I'm REALLY missing your point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TMO has been set up specifically to preserve its oral > > tradition. That is NOT the case > > > > for ANY major branch of the Christian religion, and it shows, > > IMHO. > > > > > > > > Whether or not the TMO approach will work for any length of time > > remains to be seen. > > > > What we CAN be sure of is that most, if not all, other approaches > > have not seemed to > > > > work. > > > > > > > > Look at Benson's Relaxation Response, based on numerous > > interviews with TMers. Look > > > at > > > > Chopra's own meditation technique, and how he presents it to > > people. We can see the > > > > results of the telephone effect immediately (within a generation > > of second-handness). > > > > > > > > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's techniques, useful or not, aren't deemed > > central to his > > > organization, > > > > as far as I can tell, because his charitable works are the only > > pretty much the only thing > > > > discussed here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your penchant for straw man arguments could take up a lot of band > > width at this rate. > > > > > > Your inability to address my points takes up at least as much if not > > more. > > > > Ho hum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MMY has always been consistent in his representation of what he > > believes is important, > > > > and I find it amusing that people criticize him for building an > > organization specifically > > > > designed to preserve that which he deems most important. > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely you jest! Maharishi has changed his game plan more times > > than I can recall, as has > > > been observed time and again in this forum. At the most obvious > > level, what has become > > > of the priority to have large numbers of ordinary people > > meditating, or large numbers of > > > Sidhas flying together, etc, etc.? > > > > And so? Its HIS game plan to change, and his teaching method to > > change. "Purity of the teaching" is his to define, as well... > > > > Well, which is it then? Either he is consistent as you claim in your previous post, or it > doesn't matter because it's "HIS game plan to change". Get back to me when you have > decided. > Or he has some idea of what changes are good to make to his own teaching method and what changes are not good to make to his own teaching method that those of us who aren't the original authors of MMY's teaching method may not catch? Get back to me when you have a clue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act > > > the same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? > > > > Speaking for myself: Why should behavior that I > > find objectionable on alt.m.t be somehow immune > > to complaint here? Spiritual one-upmanship is > > spiritual one-upmanship whether it takes place > > there or here. It would be just as objectionable > > if it were *only* here. > > My point wasn't directed specifically at you, it was at the lot of > the a.m.t. folks. Your point is well-taken. > An example that comes to mind is going back to school later in my > life when I was older. Because I did not know a soul when I showed > up I was able to act in ways new and exciting and previously only > fantasized about by me because there was no one acting towards me as > friends/family of years had been causing my response to be the same > old responses. I am asking if that were possible here in these > circumstances. I dunno, I don't feel my behavior is somehow constrained by people who know me, such that I'd feel free to behave differently with folks who don't. Maybe when I was younger that was more the case. The older I get, the more I'm inclined to just speak my mind no matter who's listening. The older you are, the more people you've met and dealt with, and the less influence any one group of people has over you, or so I find to be the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome > > diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good kick in the backside > > somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no > > doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University > is > > having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? > > > > L B S > > PS > > MORE IMPORTANT > > Diverting the attention from the sutra in any way interferes with the practice, as I have > understood it. Does anyone seriously believe that there is something better than "simple, > natural, innocent" in this regard? > I think obsessing about optimal conditions for sutra practice would be at least as detrimental as requiring someone to be present. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We all have to download the output of these caterwailing > foxes, sitting on garden walls screaming at eachother. 1. If you read FFL in the archives, you can select which messages to download. So, no, *we* do not all have to download the endless nitpicking. Personally, I don't. 2. Even if you receive FFL in email, and you do download the stream of traffic, no one is forcing you to read it all. Using an email client with the ability to filter may also be of help in enhancing the personally perceived signal to noise ratio. Why curse the darkness when you have the power to turn on a light? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And still another part of it is past history (on > > alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in > > which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are > > experientially impoverished compared to himself-- > > including demanding that they relate their > > experiences and claiming that if they don't, they > > must not have had any. It becomes really quite > > unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a > > taste of it here. > > Okay, we've got a history here! Now I get it. Don't forget the other two parts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the > > same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? > > Speaking for myself: Why should behavior that I > find objectionable on alt.m.t be somehow immune > to complaint here? Spiritual one-upmanship is > spiritual one-upmanship whether it takes place > there or here. It would be just as objectionable > if it were *only* here. My point wasn't directed specifically at you, it was at the lot of the a.m.t. folks. Your point is well-taken. An example that comes to mind is going back to school later in my life when I was older. Because I did not know a soul when I showed up I was able to act in ways new and exciting and previously only fantasized about by me because there was no one acting towards me as friends/family of years had been causing my response to be the same old responses. I am asking if that were possible here in these circumstances. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > ...or get given a yellow card. We all have to download the > > output of these caterwailing foxes, sitting on garden walls > > screaming at eachother. > > Just one other point: It's not exactly as if there > weren't a healthy measure of the same from the old > FFL hands as well that's just as uninteresting and > annoying to those who aren't directly involved in it. Fabulous point! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And still another part of it is past history (on > alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in > which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are > experientially impoverished compared to himself-- > including demanding that they relate their > experiences and claiming that if they don't, they > must not have had any. It becomes really quite > unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a > taste of it here. Okay, we've got a history here! Now I get it. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 2nd Day of Sat Yuga? Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/movies/24chop.html?8hpib
Excerpts
Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad
By ANUPAMA CHOPRA NY Times
MUMBAI
HALFWAY through "Aitraaz" ("Objection"), a Bollywood take on Barry
Levinson's "Disclosure," Sonia grabs hold of Raj. Once upon a time,
they were lovers. But when Sonia, an ambitious model, opted for an
abortion instead of child and marriage, Raj left her. Now she is his
boss. Sonia starts to undress him, whispering, "Show me you are an
animal." When he refuses and walks away, she screams: "I'm not asking
you to leave your wife. I just want a physical relationship. If I
don't have an objection, why should you?"
The actress Priyanka Chopra had a difficult time playing this scene. A
former Miss World, Ms. Chopra was a sophisticated, globally feted
celebrity and she had prepared for her role by studying the calculated
seductiveness of Sharon Stone in "Basic Instinct." But on the day that
scene was shot, Ms. Chopra broke down and cried. The directors,
brothers who go by the hyphenate Abbas-Mustan, had to spend a few
hours convincing her that she was only playing a character. Filming
didn't start until late afternoon.
Ms. Chopra wasn't just being dramatic. She is a Bollywood actress, and
as such, trained to play the role of a virginal glam-doll, not a
sexual aggressor. By tradition, a Bollywood heroine is a
one-dimensional creation who may wear eye-popping bustiers or writhe
passionately during a song in the rain. But she is unfailingly
virtuous. Whether girlfriend, wife or mother, she is the repository of
Indian moral values. In the ancient epic "Ramayana," the hero Lakshman
draws a furrow in the earth, the Line of Lakshman, which represents
the limits of proper feminine behavior, and requests that his
sister-in-law Sita not step outside it. As if heeding his exhortation,
Bollywood heroines have rarely stepped out of line, even for a kiss.
But a decade-long cultural churning has overturned stereotypes in
India. In 1991, the threat of fiscal collapse forced the government to
introduce wide-ranging economic reforms and allow multinational
corporations to operate in India. The same year, satellite television
arrived. Today, consumerism, globalization, the proliferation of
semiclad bodies in print and television, and the emergence of a more
worldly audience have redefined the boundaries of what is permissible.
Sex has been pulled out of the closet and actors have become more
willing to experiment with their images. The latest Bollywood heroines
seem to be taking a page out of Mae West's book: when they are good,
they are very good, but when they are bad, they're better.
Mallika Sherawat, 24, a statuesque actress, needed little convincing
to step out of the stereotype. Ms. Sherawat made her leading-lady
debut in 2003 with "Khwahish" ("Desire"), which grabbed headlines for
its 17 kisses. Her follow-up was even steamier. "Murder," released
last year, a rehash of Adrian Lyne's "Unfaithful," had her playing a
lonely housewife in Bangkok who has a passionate affair with an
ex-boyfriend. Ms. Sherawat pushed the edge of the sexual envelope as
far as the Indian Censor Board would allow. The lovemaking scenes
featured bare backs, cleavage and passionate kissing.
Bolder still was the idea that a respectable upper-middle-class woman
could have sexual desires and cheat on her husband - and get away with
it. "Murder" made back its investment, approximately $750,000, several
times over. Ashish Rajadhyaksha, a senior fellow at the
Bangalore-based Center for the Study of Culture and Society, said the
film established Ms. Sherawat as an Indian "postfeminist icon." The
self-anointed "kissing queen of India" now has bigger ambitions. She
plays an Indian princess in a coming Hong Kong movie, "The Myth,"
starring Jackie Chan. After making a splash on Mr. Chan's arm at the
Cannes Film Festival, she is, she says, negotiating with Creative
Artists Agency for representation.
Ms. Sherawat's journey from a traditional small-town nobody to an
international sex symbol is a modern-day fairy tale that has already
had an impact. (For Ms. Sherawat, it also has a downside: She says her
father refuses to speak her.) Film studios here in Mumbai are overrun
with starlets fiercely trading on their sexuality, and even
established actresses are now taking chances. In "Fida" ("Crazy"),
released last year, Kareena Kapoor played a scheming hedonist who
beguiles her besotted lover into robbing a bank for her. Ms. Kapoor, a
fourth-generation star, is Bollywood aristocracy. Her
great-grandfather Prithviraj Kapoor was a leading man in the 1940's,
and her grandfather (Raj Kapoor), parents, uncles and sister are
famous actors. There were audible gasps from audiences when her true
character was revealed with a dramatic flourish in "Fida": she steps
out of the shower with a man who is not her lover.
Heroines aren't just discovering sex, they are positively reveling in
bad behavior. In a forthcoming, still-untitled
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I second that. I am leaving this group because there is so much > stupid threads going on and on and on about nothing. > Get a fvcking job guys. Go help old ladies, travel the world. Get a > life. Have a good one and a great one, Offworld -- thanks for hanging with us :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's entirely possible he can be a decent, genuine > human being in person. Jim's right; I think you both are truly great -- as is Jim himself! Let's raise a glass to all three of you -- if not tonight in a cafe in Paris in 3-D, perhaps we are there in E-D (extradimensionality) -- the space of the Heart :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing > head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: > Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual "power" and > the rest of you peons haven't. > > Take some advice, Unc: if you truly have experienced such an > incredible phenomenon that is unprovable, restrain your obviously > uncontrollable desire to tell the world how cool you are and keep it > to yourself. Unc, from my side I am most happy to hear your account(s) -- you have really helped clarify and confirm some of my own thoughts on phenomena of this sort, and I thank you :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On Jul 22, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: > A while back, I spoke to a woman in Fairfield, who claimed she was > having a more advanced levitation experience; I wished I had asked her > for more details at the time... > I am wondering if anyone could share experiences which would qualify > as the next stage of manifestation of this Siddhi of Levitation... As I've shared with the list before, yes there are schools of yogis who practice these methods. When one gets into the more serious stages of the practice, one is often isolated in strict retreat. And these are the yogis I know of and friends have visited. If one has similar initiation into the path of inner tantra, one can gain permission to visit such siddhas. And yes, they do levitate and the vision thereof is not selective like those who have mastered the art of post-hypnotic suggestion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...or get given a yellow card. We all have to download the > output of these caterwailing foxes, sitting on garden walls > screaming at eachother. Just one other point: It's not exactly as if there weren't a healthy measure of the same from the old FFL hands as well that's just as uninteresting and annoying to those who aren't directly involved in it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its this clinging to ones own view of what the word "real" means, > and not seeing or acknowledging what the other may mean by the > term, which is causing the war of words and abrasive feelings back > and forth. That's part of it. As I noted in another post, though, in the context of a TM forum, "real levitation" is generally taken to mean objective, physical, measurable levitation. So to use it in a maybe-this, maybe-that sense, without being up front about it right at the beginning, seems like a sort of bait-and-switch attempt to mislead. > A curious, perhaps side point here, is Unc's proposition that even > if quite verifiable objective proof were presented, it would not > change anyones mind. And yet he's quite insistent that it changed *his* mind. Moreover, in the PDF file, the piece he wrote says he was *prepared* to believe levitation was possible because of the TM-Sidhis teaching. So "anyone" may not be the appropriate term here, as far as Unc is concerned. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the > same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? Speaking for myself: Why should behavior that I find objectionable on alt.m.t be somehow immune to complaint here? Spiritual one-upmanship is spiritual one-upmanship whether it takes place there or here. It would be just as objectionable if it were *only* here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Tantra and the Siddhas
In brief on-list response to the topic of Tantra, I've uploaded the wonderful intro. to _Masters of Enchantment_: the biographies and sadhanas of the 84 Mahasiddhas of Tibetan and Hindu tantra. It's intro. is one of the best I have read. It also includes the artists (Robert Beer) intro which briefly details his own enlightenment. If you have some interest in these siddhas, you'll surely enjoy this brief and wonderfully accurate glimpse from my brother Keith Dowman. http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/Downloads/FileSharing4.html Prem and Ashirvad, Vaj Some excerpts: "The exemplors of the new Buddhism, the high priests of Tantra, were called siddhas. In the beginning, in eighth century India, they represented a pure and purifying spirituality arising from the grass roots of society. Alienated from the dead forms of the social and religious establishment, equating society with life's confusion, renunciation was a prerequisite to spiritual attainment. The ethos of their pure mysticism made them antiestablishment, unorthodox and antischolastic. They stressed the simple and free life rather than institutional discipline. Militating against empty ritual, charlatanism, specious philosophizing, the caste system and Brahminical ritual purity they were iconoclastic rebels. They taught existential involvement rather than metaphysical speculation. Many siddhas were musicians and poets who sang their realization in wonderful mystical songs in vernacular languages, using metaphors of home and family, farming and crafts, love and sex. The siddhas were never to compromise their radical attitudes to orthodoxy, and they maintained their ideal of existential freedom at all cost." -- "Who were these spiritual adventurers? What did they teach? What was their practice? In answering these questions it would be useful to define several Sanskrit words that remain untranslated throughout this work because they have no English equivalents. The first is the word "siddha." Siddhas are practitioners of Tantra who are successful in attaining the goal of their meditation. This achievement is known as siddhi. It is twofold in that it confers both magical power (mundane) and enlightenment itself (supreme). The word "siddha" could be rendered "saint," "magus," "magician," or "adept." But even this is not sufficient, because "siddha" evokes an entire life style, a unique mode of being, and a very particular form of aspiration. For uninitiated Indians, the emphasis of their associations with siddhas is on magical power. If a yogin or yogini can walk through walls, fly in the sky, heal the sick, turn water into wine, levitate, or read minds, they may gain the title "siddha." If those same practitioners have a crazy glint in their eyes, cover themselves in ashes, bring tears to the eyes with their songs, calm street mongrels by their very presence, induce faithful women to leave their families, wear vajras in their yard-long hair knots, eat out of skull bowls, talk with the birds, cry when they see a spastic child, sleep with lepers, fearlessly upbraid powerful officials for moral laxity, or perform with conviction any act contrary to convention while demonstrating a "higher" reality, then they are doubly siddhas." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maybe of Interest - Ireland Peace Palace
Some comments and details of building a peace palace on an island off the coast of Ireland: http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=69927&results_offset=210 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Having been around these newsgroups for years now I am sorry to see > the a.m.t. spillover to FFlife-not the people themselves, but the > nitpicking of nitpicking. Not that FFLife wasn't in need of some new > blood! > We should invite Andrew Skolnick over and John Whats-his-name and that > nasty nasty nasty nasty Perino, who did attempt to do his shtick here > in FFlife and thankfulyy failed (kidding about Skolnick and Perion). > Leave them out. > Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the > same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? ...or get given a yellow card. We all have to download the output of these caterwailing foxes, sitting on garden walls screaming at eachother. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book & L B book on Dev Go for it L.B.
Where does it now stand L.B. ... its so important perhaps should be passed top otheres for speed... Its so very important for us all to soon very soon see .! Give us an up date please. -Original Message-From: L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:13:58 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. Thanks for thinking of me, Pat, but I am not even remotely interested in such a project. I already have one unfinished translation on my plate, and I am sure it is worthy of publication. This other thing, by comparison, is just chaff in the wind. L B S > - PJG > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Ingegerd wrote: > > > > > > > > Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what > > > > happens when men and women [are] gathered > > > > in the same place. I have not read the book. > > > > But it has send some waves of chock > > > > among the Sidhas in Norway > > > > > > Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is > > maybe something like "The Clowns Masks". I got the title in Swedish - > > so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the > > book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling > > me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. > > Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Having been around these newsgroups for years now I am sorry to see > the a.m.t. spillover to FFlife-not the people themselves, but the > nitpicking of nitpicking. Not that FFLife wasn't in need of some new > blood! > We should invite Andrew Skolnick over and John Whats-his-name and that > nasty nasty nasty nasty Perino, who did attempt to do his shtick here > in FFlife and thankfulyy failed (kidding about Skolnick and Perion). > Leave them out. > Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the > same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? > I second that. I am leaving this group because there is so much stupid threads going on and on and on about nothing. Get a fvcking job guys. Go help old ladies, travel the world. Get a life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > I've read through all these posts in this exchange and > I can't find a hint of this > "spiritual-one-upsmanship". What are you talking about > Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then > considering the possibility that there was some sort > of subjective element involved in the perception of > the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big > deal? > Its an interesting exchange, on several levels, including different perceptions of what people mean by the same words, subtle positioning, and subjective / objective realities. Since words are just rough maps for concepts and concepts are rough maps for both inner and outer phenomenon, its a wonder -- to me-- that we actually communiate at all sometimes. For example, there appears to be a different take on the word "real". Per my reading of the views, one person is holding "real" to be both trans-personal and objectively (aka mechanically, measurably) verifiable (e.g., could be seen on video cam). Another is viewing "real" as subjective reality, that if the perception was real, then it was real, it was a real experience. Its this clinging to ones own view of what the word "real" means, and not seeing or acknowledging what the other may mean by the term, which is causing the war of words and abrasive feelings back and forth. It seems to me there are at least five possibilities here, without much need for arguing or spite. 1) objectively, mechanically and mesurably verifiable leviation took place. This might include Rama sitting on a digital scale with constant readout to show changes weight, video cam verification, laser light encircling to verify no wires etc. 2) a subtle phenomenon / siddi in which a subtle form of Rama levitated and he similtatnously enlivened some subtle perception in many but not all attendees to see the phenomenon. 3) some powerful suggestion / trance (from teacher or by observer themselves to themselves) techniques that result in some strong cognitive distortion. 4) some perception that did not correspond to gross physical reality, aka a hallucination. 5) Make-believe / deception. >From past discussions and my take on this is that #'s 3-5 are not operational in this case. Its probably 1 or 2. Both boundary breaking. Not much evidence has been presented of #1 occurring. That dooes not prove #1 did not occur, just there is no strong case for it, no reason to believe that it occurred. The mechanics of #2 are not clear, and no feasible model or proof of such has been offered other than one or several personal testimonies. And such testimonies could be a case of #1 -- yet unverified -- gross physical levitation, or could be a #2 -- subtle phenomenon -- going on. I see no problem in being open the "reality" that it was such: some unexplained subtle phenomenon, while holding out it actually could have been physical -- but not verifed as such. With a possibility of a #3 phenomenon prevailing or being mixed into all of this. Whether its 1, 2, or 3, I believe Unc experienced something as real and tangible when he drinks a double expresso at a stand-up parisian sidewalk bar. I don't think he was hallucinating or lying. Having said this, I do find shades of a "spiritual-one-upsmanship" positioning, whether intended or not. I find similar structures in other discussions. Unc casts Shemp's position from a variety of angles as "disbelief". It echos, in a way, of the refrain in the late 90's among disbelievers in the the "new ecconomy" that they "just didn't get it", that valuing so many dot.coms at extraordinary levels, at quite unhistoric price-ernings ratios -- based on quite future eanings not current , etc, was really quite rational and sound and if you didn't "get-it" you were hopelessly naive, out-of-it, and the untimate insult, un-hip. By default, Unc's positions is one of "belief". The former is weaker than the latter, its a defensive position, though the distiction may be subtle. Shemp could recast the argument as "Rama was fraud" and accuse Unc of suffering from and not being able to come to terms with his disbelief. This would place him in a superior "spiritual-one-upmanship" position. The silly thing is, the real, but unstated debate, appears to be about what each hold the word "real" to mean. This difference, and lack of akcnowledging the others view, manifests into staked out positions which result in progressively entrenched defenses around positions which "vanish" if the real debate (about meanings of words use) is first resolved. This is of interest, to me, because the same mechanics and structure appears to be a the root of so many FFL and other chat word-wars. And it may be part of "spiritual-one-upmanship" gamesmanship, i am not sure. A curious, perhaps side point here, is Unc's proposition that even if quite verifiable objective proof were presented, it would not change anyones mind. I find that such an odd take on things. Lots of new,
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > > > > > > > "Disbelief games"? > > > > I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games > > when you claim > > to have experienced "real" levitation and then, one > > post later, upon > > questioning, qualify the claim. > > > > Either you did or you didn't. > > > > It sounds to me like you're playing a game of > > spiritual-one- > > upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced > > someone > > levitating. > > I've read through all these posts in this exchange and > I can't find a hint of this > "spiritual-one-upsmanship". What are you talking about > Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then > considering the possibility that there was some sort > of subjective element involved in the perception of > the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big > deal? The "subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation" came later, which should have, in my opinion, come first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced > > such a thing > > that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to > > everyone that > > you experienced something that 5,000 years of > > recorded human history > > would come to a standstill if even the remotest > > possible proof was > > offered to its reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't prove my experience to you, just as you > > would > > > not be able to prove what you would consider a > > "real" > > > experience of levitation if it had happened to > > you. I > > > get it...you don't want to believe this is true. > > > > > > There are a few websites out there where people > > who > > > studied with Rama have written about their > > experiences. > > > The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a > > bunch > > > of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a > > PDF version > > > of a book we (his students) wrote about studying > > with him. > > > One of my stories is in there, but under a > > different name > > > because they published it using pseudonyms for > > every- > > > one, for privacy reasons. > > > > > > http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf > > > > > > I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never > > read it. > > > You aren't interested in what really happened, > > only in > > > what you want to believe happened. So believe > > that. > > > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it > > doesn't > > > affect me in any way. > > > > > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content > > with my > > > personal experience. > > > > > > Unc > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "shempmcgurk" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe > > to be the > > irrelevant > > > > > > parts of your response and leave in the > > parts I want to > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the > > other students who > > > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also > > emphasise, for the > > record, > > > > the > > > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never > > saw anything; > > > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes > > 500 at once) saw > > > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it > > would appear to be > > a > > > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, > > and takes place > > > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical > > levels. If > > you're > > > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on > > film, I don't think > > > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have > > been. But it > > was > > > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and > > as a field of > > > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the > > real benefit of > > > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon > > and others > > > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts > > that it would > > > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, > > that there might > > have > > > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, > > in which > > people's > > > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to > > see a phenomenon > > > > > > > that might not
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > snip > > > > > I actually visited the site and downloaded the book. > > I then did a > > word search on "levitate" and nine references to it > > came up. > > > > After a cursory reading of several of the > > testimonials, I have > > concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc, > > and that you were > > both brainwashed and hypnotized. > > > > You did NOT witness actual levitation. You > > witnessed a delusion of > > levitation. > > Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all > this anger towards Unc. Let him say: "I witnessed what appeared to me to be levitation", not 'I witnessed REAL levitation'. I don't like being bullshitted. > > > > > > > > > > > > You aren't interested in what really happened, > > only in > > > what you want to believe happened. So believe > > that. > > > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it > > doesn't > > > affect me in any way. > > > > > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content > > with my > > > personal experience. > > > > > > Unc > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "shempmcgurk" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe > > to be the > > irrelevant > > > > > > parts of your response and leave in the > > parts I want to > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the > > other students who > > > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also > > emphasise, for the > > record, > > > > the > > > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never > > saw anything; > > > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes > > 500 at once) saw > > > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it > > would appear to be > > a > > > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, > > and takes place > > > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical > > levels. If > > you're > > > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on > > film, I don't think > > > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have > > been. But it > > was > > > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and > > as a field of > > > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the > > real benefit of > > > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon > > and others > > > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts > > that it would > > > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, > > that there might > > have > > > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, > > in which > > people's > > > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to > > see a phenomenon > > > > > > > that might not have been present on a > > physical level. But > > > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was > > about to happen. > > > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He > > never said *what* > > > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one > > of the siddhis > > he was > > > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if > > anything, was > > going > > > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, > > and everyone who > > > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said > > above with what you > > > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air > > levitation." > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I > > conclude that you > > have > > > > NOT > > > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air > > levitation" as you > > first > > > > > > claimed. > > > > > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > > > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the > > possibility that it may > > have > > > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you > > had your doubts > > that > > > > it could have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > I think it would have been more properly > > descriptive of you to > > have > > > > written that you had witnessed what "looked > > like" levitation and > > not > > > === message truncated === > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.
[FairfieldLife] a.m.t. spillover
Having been around these newsgroups for years now I am sorry to see the a.m.t. spillover to FFlife-not the people themselves, but the nitpicking of nitpicking. Not that FFLife wasn't in need of some new blood! We should invite Andrew Skolnick over and John Whats-his-name and that nasty nasty nasty nasty Perino, who did attempt to do his shtick here in FFlife and thankfulyy failed (kidding about Skolnick and Perion). Leave them out. Couldn't the a.m.t. folks give themselves permission to not act the same way they were acting over at a.m.t.? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Disbelief games"? > > > > > > I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games > > > when you claim > > > to have experienced "real" levitation and then, one > > > post later, upon > > > questioning, qualify the claim. > > > > > > Either you did or you didn't. > > > > > > It sounds to me like you're playing a game of > > > spiritual-one- > > > upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced > > > someone > > > levitating. > > > > I've read through all these posts in this exchange and > > I can't find a hint of this > > "spiritual-one-upsmanship". What are you talking about > > Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then > > considering the possibility that there was some sort > > of subjective element involved in the perception of > > the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big > > deal? > > Part of it is that he started out by saying he'd > witnessed "real levitation." That's misleading > in a TM crowd, which understands "real levitation" > to mean an objective physical process (whether > that's ultimately correct or not). If he admits > the possibility that it may have been subjective, > he should have qualified "real" to begin with to > make this clear. > > Another part of it is that he got all pissy and > started putting Shemp down when Shemp pointed > this out. That's where you really see the > spiritual one-upmanship coming out. > > And still another part of it is past history (on > alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in > which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are > experientially impoverished compared to himself-- > including demanding that they relate their > experiences and claiming that if they don't, they > must not have had any. It becomes really quite > unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a > taste of it here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > > > > > > > "Disbelief games"? > > > > I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games > > when you claim > > to have experienced "real" levitation and then, one > > post later, upon > > questioning, qualify the claim. > > > > Either you did or you didn't. > > > > It sounds to me like you're playing a game of > > spiritual-one- > > upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced > > someone > > levitating. > > I've read through all these posts in this exchange and > I can't find a hint of this > "spiritual-one-upsmanship". What are you talking about > Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then > considering the possibility that there was some sort > of subjective element involved in the perception of > the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big > deal? Part of it is that he started out by saying he'd witnessed "real levitation." That's misleading in a TM crowd, which understands "real levitation" to mean an objective physical process (whether that's ultimately correct or not). If he admits the possibility that it may have been subjective, he should have qualified "real" to begin with to make this clear. Another part of it is that he got all pissy and started putting Shemp down when Shemp pointed this out. That's where you really see the spiritual one-upmanship coming out. And still another part of it is past history (on alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are experientially impoverished compared to himself-- including demanding that they relate their experiences and claiming that if they don't, they must not have had any. It becomes really quite unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a taste of it here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > > > "Disbelief games"? > > I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games > when you claim > to have experienced "real" levitation and then, one > post later, upon > questioning, qualify the claim. > > Either you did or you didn't. > > It sounds to me like you're playing a game of > spiritual-one- > upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced > someone > levitating. I've read through all these posts in this exchange and I can't find a hint of this "spiritual-one-upsmanship". What are you talking about Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then considering the possibility that there was some sort of subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big deal? > > May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced > such a thing > that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to > everyone that > you experienced something that 5,000 years of > recorded human history > would come to a standstill if even the remotest > possible proof was > offered to its reality. > > > > > > > I can't prove my experience to you, just as you > would > > not be able to prove what you would consider a > "real" > > experience of levitation if it had happened to > you. I > > get it...you don't want to believe this is true. > > > > There are a few websites out there where people > who > > studied with Rama have written about their > experiences. > > The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a > bunch > > of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a > PDF version > > of a book we (his students) wrote about studying > with him. > > One of my stories is in there, but under a > different name > > because they published it using pseudonyms for > every- > > one, for privacy reasons. > > > > http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf > > > > I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never > read it. > > You aren't interested in what really happened, > only in > > what you want to believe happened. So believe > that. > > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it > doesn't > > affect me in any way. > > > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content > with my > > personal experience. > > > > Unc > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe > to be the > irrelevant > > > > > parts of your response and leave in the > parts I want to > address. > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the > other students who > > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also > emphasise, for the > record, > > > the > > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never > saw anything; > > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes > 500 at once) saw > > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it > would appear to be > a > > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, > and takes place > > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical > levels. If > you're > > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on > film, I don't think > > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have > been. But it > was > > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and > as a field of > > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the > real benefit of > > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon > and others > > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts > that it would > > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, > that there might > have > > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, > in which > people's > > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to > see a phenomenon > > > > > > that might not have been present on a > physical level. But > > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was > about to happen. > > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He > never said *what* > > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one > of the siddhis > he was > > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if > anything, was > going > > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, > and everyone who > > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said > a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > I actually visited the site and downloaded the book. > I then did a > word search on "levitate" and nine references to it > came up. > > After a cursory reading of several of the > testimonials, I have > concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc, > and that you were > both brainwashed and hypnotized. > > You did NOT witness actual levitation. You > witnessed a delusion of > levitation. Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all this anger towards Unc. > > > > > You aren't interested in what really happened, > only in > > what you want to believe happened. So believe > that. > > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it > doesn't > > affect me in any way. > > > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content > with my > > personal experience. > > > > Unc > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe > to be the > irrelevant > > > > > parts of your response and leave in the > parts I want to > address. > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the > other students who > > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also > emphasise, for the > record, > > > the > > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never > saw anything; > > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes > 500 at once) saw > > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it > would appear to be > a > > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, > and takes place > > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical > levels. If > you're > > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on > film, I don't think > > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have > been. But it > was > > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and > as a field of > > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the > real benefit of > > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon > and others > > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts > that it would > > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, > that there might > have > > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, > in which > people's > > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to > see a phenomenon > > > > > > that might not have been present on a > physical level. But > > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was > about to happen. > > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He > never said *what* > > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one > of the siddhis > he was > > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if > anything, was > going > > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, > and everyone who > > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said > above with what you > > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air > levitation." > > > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I > conclude that you > have > > > NOT > > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air > levitation" as you > first > > > > > claimed. > > > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the > possibility that it may > have > > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you > had your doubts > that > > > it could have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > I think it would have been more properly > descriptive of you to > have > > > written that you had witnessed what "looked > like" levitation and > not > === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is > > > playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed > > > your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool > > > spiritual "power" and the rest of you peons haven't. > > > > Bingo. > > > > And the proof is how nasty he gets when > > somebody turns out not to be impressed. > > > > If you're not convinced of how cool he is > > by what he's told you about what he > > experienced, he has to convince *himself* > > he's cool by putting you down. > > What you say might be true, but I'll make a bet that if you and Shemp > flew over to France, found Unc, and ordered a nice bottle of Cabernet > Sauvignon, had a couple of glasses each, sitting in a pleasant cafe, > all of this would transform; the table would resound with toast after > toast to each of your best qualities! It's entirely possible he can be a decent, genuine human being in person. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is > > > playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed > > > your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool > > > spiritual "power" and the rest of you peons haven't. > > > > Bingo. > > > > And the proof is how nasty he gets when > > somebody turns out not to be impressed. > > > > If you're not convinced of how cool he is > > by what he's told you about what he > > experienced, he has to convince *himself* > > he's cool by putting you down. > > It's obviously a.m.t. cyberstalker "pile on" time. Oh, so now Shemp's a cyberstalker too? Q.E.D. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is > > playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed > > your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool > > spiritual "power" and the rest of you peons haven't. > > Bingo. > > And the proof is how nasty he gets when > somebody turns out not to be impressed. > > If you're not convinced of how cool he is > by what he's told you about what he > experienced, he has to convince *himself* > he's cool by putting you down. What you say might be true, but I'll make a bet that if you and Shemp flew over to France, found Unc, and ordered a nice bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon, had a couple of glasses each, sitting in a pleasant cafe, all of this would transform; the table would resound with toast after toast to each of your best qualities! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is > > playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed > > your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool > > spiritual "power" and the rest of you peons haven't. > > Bingo. > > And the proof is how nasty he gets when > somebody turns out not to be impressed. > > If you're not convinced of how cool he is > by what he's told you about what he > experienced, he has to convince *himself* > he's cool by putting you down. It's obviously a.m.t. cyberstalker "pile on" time. I will allow you guys to flame among yourselves. Got better things to do. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. > > > Shemp isn't interested in "proof." He's interested in making sure > > > that none of his boundaries are disturbed. > > > > I see it rather that Shemp wants to find proof of something that > > many such as yourself have claimed to have seen. Then he > > can 'legitimately' break the boundary to such an experience in his > > mind. > > 'Legitimately' is good. That's the issue, which you nail > in the next paragraph. > > > So the mistake is not in his attempting to nail down the proof, but > > in believing that the solution to breaking the boundary comes from > > outside himself, rather than within himself. > > That's it exactly. There comes a point when no one can > no longer rely on 'outside' 'evidence' as being more accur- > ate than one's own experience. > > > Ergo, it matters not a whit of a whit whether or not you actually > > witnessed somebody levitating. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. > > Doesn't matter. (Although it mattered to you at the time, and was > > significant you say in breaking a boundary for you.) > > It really *doesn't* matter to me whether a videocamera > would have recorded the levitation and other phenomena > I saw Rama manifest. The boundary for me, as you put it > well, was broken the minute I realized that I trusted my own > experience more than I would trust the videotape. > > It happened. The man levitated. Or disappeared. Or did > one of the many other odd things he could do. And all of > those things really happened, as far as I can tell. *How* > they happened doesn't interest me as much as the simple > fact that they happened. Personally, intellectually, my > experience convinces me that some siddhis do not actually > manifest on a gross physical level. That is, they are really > happening, but on a more subtle plane or dimension. To > perform the siddhi, you have to move into that dimension. > To witness the siddhi, you *also* have to move into that > dimension. It's something I cannot express properly in > words, and it's *certainly* something I can ever convince > anyone of, even if I wanted to. > > Bottom line was that it was a great deal of *fun* to see > such phenomena, and to sit in the energy field that > surrounds them. People can believe whatever they > want, based on whatever 'proof' they consider valid. > I'll stand on my own experience. > > Unc Yep, I know what you mean. I wonder though if levitation can occur on 'a gross physical level'? I suspect yes, though it is not terribly important for me to find out right now. Yogananda wrote about it in his Auto of a Yog book, and that is good enough for me; that book has the ring of truth to it when I read it. The intradimensional experiences though are fascinating in their own right, and equally mind blowing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is > playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed > your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool > spiritual "power" and the rest of you peons haven't. Bingo. And the proof is how nasty he gets when somebody turns out not to be impressed. If you're not convinced of how cool he is by what he's told you about what he experienced, he has to convince *himself* he's cool by putting you down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would > not be able to prove what you would consider a "real" > experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I > get it...you don't want to believe this is true. > > There are a few websites out there where people who > studied with Rama have written about their experiences. > The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch > of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version > of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. > One of my stories is in there, but under a different name > because they published it using pseudonyms for every- > one, for privacy reasons. > > http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf > > I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. I actually visited the site and downloaded the book. I then did a word search on "levitate" and nine references to it came up. After a cursory reading of several of the testimonials, I have concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc, and that you were both brainwashed and hypnotized. You did NOT witness actual levitation. You witnessed a delusion of levitation. Keep the experience to yourself and unless you're interested in having people think you're nuts, shut up about it. > You aren't interested in what really happened, only in > what you want to believe happened. So believe that. > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't > affect me in any way. > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my > personal experience. > > Unc > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant > > > > parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, > > the > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > > > > > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have > > NOT > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first > > > > claimed. > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that > > it could have been captured on videotape. > > > > I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have > > written that you had witnessed what "looked like" levitation and not > > to have used the word "real" and then qualify the experience so > > extensively as you did in the follow-up posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hundreds of times. You're jus
[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This morning I chatted with a TM teacher who > > attended the Guru Purnima events in Antrim, > > New Hampshire, USA, which was to be the > > meeting place for New England 'rus. > > snip > > > I don't suppose anything like that happened in > > Fairfield? > > > > > > Actually, it was quite a bit like that in Fairfield. > > There was an outdoor program by the Ladies' Dome, and an outdoor program in a field > just off Juniper Ave in Vedic City. I attended the one in VC; no one challenged my right to > be there or gave me any crap whatsoever. > > There was no shouting of the welcome, otherwise it was pretty much as you described, > with cake afterwards. > > There WAS quite a bit of laughing in program, however. > > It was really quite sweet, out there in the country, and as you say, fun. > > My first group program with the official people since 1994. > > L B S >>. "And the Lions will lie down with the Lambs" See , it must be Sat Yug. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > > > "Disbelief games"? > > I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games when you claim > to have experienced "real" levitation and then, one post later, upon > questioning, qualify the claim. Shemp, I did not "qualify the claim." I was honest. I gave you an "easy out" for your disbelief by telling you the exact truth of what happened. Some -- most -- students saw this stuff; some didn't. I didn't have to mention that. But it's the truth. Does this imply that the phenomenon of levitation was not happening on a gross, physical level. You bet your ass it does. But does it imply that the levitation wasn't really happening? Only if you believe that levitation is something that happens on the gross, physical level. You obviously believe this. I am happy for you, and hope that your certainty brings you much peace. > Either you did or you didn't. I did. You don't want to believe this. And *nothing* I can possibly say can change this situation. I'm being nice and explaining this, but *that* won't do any good, either. You entered (in fact, instigated) this discussion convinced that you knew the truth about what levitation "really" is, and you will leave the discussion the same way. > It sounds to me like you're playing a game of spiritual-one- > upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced someone > levitating. I'm supposed to lie and say I haven't? I have. So have maybe two or three thousand other people who studied with Rama over the years, and thousands more who saw him do this stuff in public lectures. Doesn't sound all that special to me. :-) > May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced such a thing > that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to everyone that > you experienced something that 5,000 years of recorded human history > would come to a standstill if even the remotest possible proof was > offered to its reality. You are fooling yourself. No one would fucking notice if scientific proof of levitation was found tomorrow. Nothing would happen. People would read about it and do exactly what you are doing right now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> YOU are the one who is looking for "proof" that what I > > > experienced was what you'd like to consider "real" > > > levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what > > > I experienced. I was more than honest about relating > > > it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince > > > you of anything. I just explained my experience. > > > > > > I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to > > > not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show > > > you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* > > > understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was > > > there seeing it happen. > > > > > > But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. > > > It's yours. I got over mine years ago. > > > > > > Unc > > > > This internet group FFL is sometimes like watching someone actually > > levitate, or not. It is all just words on the one hand, and yet once > > we read for awhile, it dawns on us that things are being discussed and > > ideas exchanged that are every bit as astonishing as watching someone > > levitate. > > > > Watching someone levitate, or doing it yourself, is just a matter of a > > wall in the mind, or no wall in the mind. Symptomatic of neurons > > firing in a specific pattern in the brain, or not. > > > > shempmcgurk, I followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion and > > realized as Unc and Rory have alluded (afw=another favorite word) to, > > no matter what the proof, say levitation taped with a video camera, by > > your mom, for example, what would it change in your life, in your > > mind, in your everyday existence? > > > > Recently I woke up and did a mundane chore around the house, only it > > was something out of sequence; I had never before written checks for > > my bills before washing the dishes, for example. I forget the actual > > event, but it was similar. Anyway, this time I did it without > > thinking, and realized that the only reason my reality changed was > > that there was no longer this virtual wall inside my head. The absence > > of the boundary changed my life. > > > > Then I got to thinking how life in general evolves from a lot of > > boundaries, to fewer and fewer and fewer, until we have none. As Rory > > speaks about Brahman being a state of life where the duality > > disappears; no boundaries. (and Rory, let's see THAT on video- tape, > > eh? ;)) > > > > Pick any living thing and trace its evolution to the next level of > > life and you'll see what I mean. e.g. a rock can't move, but a roach > > can. Fewer boundaries for Sir Roach. > > > > So the important thing isn't the levitation at all. At all. It is the > > elimination of boundaries within us. > > Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. > Shemp isn't interested in "proof." He's interested in making sure > that none of his boundaries are disturbed. Not by bullshit, that's for sure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would > not be able to prove what you would consider a "real" > experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I > get it...you don't want to believe this is true. > > There are a few websites out there where people who > studied with Rama have written about their experiences. > The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch > of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version > of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. > One of my stories is in there, but under a different name > because they published it using pseudonyms for every- > one, for privacy reasons. > > http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf > > I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. Of course I won't read it. You've already admitted that it was an imaginary phenomenon...so why would I waste my time? It existed in your head and in the heads of your fellow brainwashed cult members. For someone who comes down so hard on the TMO and MMY for being a cult it seems to me that you stand guilty of the very things you condemn in others. > You aren't interested in what really happened, only in > what you want to believe happened. I neither believe or disbelieve as I wasn't there. YOU were. YOU claim, in one post, to indisputably have witnessed "real" levitation and then, in the next post, demonstrate that you hadn't. > So believe that. > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't > affect me in any way. Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual "power" and the rest of you peons haven't. Take some advice, Unc: if you truly have experienced such an incredible phenomenon that is unprovable, restrain your obviously uncontrollable desire to tell the world how cool you are and keep it to yourself. > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my > personal experience. > > Unc > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant > > > > parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, > > the > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > > > > > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have > > NOT > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first > > > > claimed. > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > If you
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. > > Shemp isn't interested in "proof." He's interested in making sure > > that none of his boundaries are disturbed. > > I see it rather that Shemp wants to find proof of something that > many such as yourself have claimed to have seen. Then he > can 'legitimately' break the boundary to such an experience in his > mind. 'Legitimately' is good. That's the issue, which you nail in the next paragraph. > So the mistake is not in his attempting to nail down the proof, but > in believing that the solution to breaking the boundary comes from > outside himself, rather than within himself. That's it exactly. There comes a point when no one can no longer rely on 'outside' 'evidence' as being more accur- ate than one's own experience. > Ergo, it matters not a whit of a whit whether or not you actually > witnessed somebody levitating. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. > Doesn't matter. (Although it mattered to you at the time, and was > significant you say in breaking a boundary for you.) It really *doesn't* matter to me whether a videocamera would have recorded the levitation and other phenomena I saw Rama manifest. The boundary for me, as you put it well, was broken the minute I realized that I trusted my own experience more than I would trust the videotape. It happened. The man levitated. Or disappeared. Or did one of the many other odd things he could do. And all of those things really happened, as far as I can tell. *How* they happened doesn't interest me as much as the simple fact that they happened. Personally, intellectually, my experience convinces me that some siddhis do not actually manifest on a gross physical level. That is, they are really happening, but on a more subtle plane or dimension. To perform the siddhi, you have to move into that dimension. To witness the siddhi, you *also* have to move into that dimension. It's something I cannot express properly in words, and it's *certainly* something I can ever convince anyone of, even if I wanted to. Bottom line was that it was a great deal of *fun* to see such phenomena, and to sit in the energy field that surrounds them. People can believe whatever they want, based on whatever 'proof' they consider valid. I'll stand on my own experience. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. "Disbelief games"? I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games when you claim to have experienced "real" levitation and then, one post later, upon questioning, qualify the claim. Either you did or you didn't. It sounds to me like you're playing a game of spiritual-one- upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced someone levitating. May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced such a thing that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to everyone that you experienced something that 5,000 years of recorded human history would come to a standstill if even the remotest possible proof was offered to its reality. > > I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would > not be able to prove what you would consider a "real" > experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I > get it...you don't want to believe this is true. > > There are a few websites out there where people who > studied with Rama have written about their experiences. > The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch > of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version > of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. > One of my stories is in there, but under a different name > because they published it using pseudonyms for every- > one, for privacy reasons. > > http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf > > I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. > You aren't interested in what really happened, only in > what you want to believe happened. So believe that. > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't > affect me in any way. > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my > personal experience. > > Unc > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant > > > > parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, > > the > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > > > > > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have > > NOT > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first > > > > claimed. > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that > > it could have been captured on videotape. > > > > I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have > > written that you had witnessed what "looked like" levitation and not > > to have used the word "r
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> YOU are the one who is looking for "proof" that what I > > > experienced was what you'd like to consider "real" > > > levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what > > > I experienced. I was more than honest about relating > > > it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince > > > you of anything. I just explained my experience. > > > > > > I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to > > > not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show > > > you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* > > > understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was > > > there seeing it happen. > > > > > > But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. > > > It's yours. I got over mine years ago. > > > > > > Unc > > > > This internet group FFL is sometimes like watching someone actually > > levitate, or not. It is all just words on the one hand, and yet once > > we read for awhile, it dawns on us that things are being discussed and > > ideas exchanged that are every bit as astonishing as watching someone > > levitate. > > > > Watching someone levitate, or doing it yourself, is just a matter of a > > wall in the mind, or no wall in the mind. Symptomatic of neurons > > firing in a specific pattern in the brain, or not. > > > > shempmcgurk, I followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion and > > realized as Unc and Rory have alluded (afw=another favorite word) to, > > no matter what the proof, say levitation taped with a video camera, by > > your mom, for example, what would it change in your life, in your > > mind, in your everyday existence? > > > > Recently I woke up and did a mundane chore around the house, only it > > was something out of sequence; I had never before written checks for > > my bills before washing the dishes, for example. I forget the actual > > event, but it was similar. Anyway, this time I did it without > > thinking, and realized that the only reason my reality changed was > > that there was no longer this virtual wall inside my head. The absence > > of the boundary changed my life. > > > > Then I got to thinking how life in general evolves from a lot of > > boundaries, to fewer and fewer and fewer, until we have none. As Rory > > speaks about Brahman being a state of life where the duality > > disappears; no boundaries. (and Rory, let's see THAT on video- tape, > > eh? ;)) > > > > Pick any living thing and trace its evolution to the next level of > > life and you'll see what I mean. e.g. a rock can't move, but a roach > > can. Fewer boundaries for Sir Roach. > > > > So the important thing isn't the levitation at all. At all. It is the > > elimination of boundaries within us. > > Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. > Shemp isn't interested in "proof." He's interested in making sure > that none of his boundaries are disturbed. I see it rather that Shemp wants to find proof of something that many such as yourself have claimed to have seen. Then he can 'legitimately' break the boundary to such an experience in his mind. So the mistake is not in his attempting to nail down the proof, but in believing that the solution to breaking the boundary comes from outside himself, rather than within himself. Ergo, it matters not a whit of a whit whether or not you actually witnessed somebody levitating. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. Doesn't matter. (Although it mattered to you at the time, and was significant you say in breaking a boundary for you.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> YOU are the one who is looking for "proof" that what I > > experienced was what you'd like to consider "real" > > levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what > > I experienced. I was more than honest about relating > > it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince > > you of anything. I just explained my experience. > > > > I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to > > not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show > > you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* > > understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was > > there seeing it happen. > > > > But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. > > It's yours. I got over mine years ago. > > > > Unc > > This internet group FFL is sometimes like watching someone actually > levitate, or not. It is all just words on the one hand, and yet once > we read for awhile, it dawns on us that things are being discussed and > ideas exchanged that are every bit as astonishing as watching someone > levitate. > > Watching someone levitate, or doing it yourself, is just a matter of a > wall in the mind, or no wall in the mind. Symptomatic of neurons > firing in a specific pattern in the brain, or not. > > shempmcgurk, I followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion and > realized as Unc and Rory have alluded (afw=another favorite word) to, > no matter what the proof, say levitation taped with a video camera, by > your mom, for example, what would it change in your life, in your > mind, in your everyday existence? > > Recently I woke up and did a mundane chore around the house, only it > was something out of sequence; I had never before written checks for > my bills before washing the dishes, for example. I forget the actual > event, but it was similar. Anyway, this time I did it without > thinking, and realized that the only reason my reality changed was > that there was no longer this virtual wall inside my head. The absence > of the boundary changed my life. > > Then I got to thinking how life in general evolves from a lot of > boundaries, to fewer and fewer and fewer, until we have none. As Rory > speaks about Brahman being a state of life where the duality > disappears; no boundaries. (and Rory, let's see THAT on video-tape, > eh? ;)) > > Pick any living thing and trace its evolution to the next level of > life and you'll see what I mean. e.g. a rock can't move, but a roach > can. Fewer boundaries for Sir Roach. > > So the important thing isn't the levitation at all. At all. It is the > elimination of boundaries within us. Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. Shemp isn't interested in "proof." He's interested in making sure that none of his boundaries are disturbed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> YOU are the one who is looking for "proof" that what I > experienced was what you'd like to consider "real" > levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what > I experienced. I was more than honest about relating > it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince > you of anything. I just explained my experience. > > I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to > not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show > you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* > understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was > there seeing it happen. > > But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. > It's yours. I got over mine years ago. > > Unc This internet group FFL is sometimes like watching someone actually levitate, or not. It is all just words on the one hand, and yet once we read for awhile, it dawns on us that things are being discussed and ideas exchanged that are every bit as astonishing as watching someone levitate. Watching someone levitate, or doing it yourself, is just a matter of a wall in the mind, or no wall in the mind. Symptomatic of neurons firing in a specific pattern in the brain, or not. shempmcgurk, I followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion and realized as Unc and Rory have alluded (afw=another favorite word) to, no matter what the proof, say levitation taped with a video camera, by your mom, for example, what would it change in your life, in your mind, in your everyday existence? Recently I woke up and did a mundane chore around the house, only it was something out of sequence; I had never before written checks for my bills before washing the dishes, for example. I forget the actual event, but it was similar. Anyway, this time I did it without thinking, and realized that the only reason my reality changed was that there was no longer this virtual wall inside my head. The absence of the boundary changed my life. Then I got to thinking how life in general evolves from a lot of boundaries, to fewer and fewer and fewer, until we have none. As Rory speaks about Brahman being a state of life where the duality disappears; no boundaries. (and Rory, let's see THAT on video-tape, eh? ;)) Pick any living thing and trace its evolution to the next level of life and you'll see what I mean. e.g. a rock can't move, but a roach can. Fewer boundaries for Sir Roach. So the important thing isn't the levitation at all. At all. It is the elimination of boundaries within us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would not be able to prove what you would consider a "real" experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I get it...you don't want to believe this is true. There are a few websites out there where people who studied with Rama have written about their experiences. The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. One of my stories is in there, but under a different name because they published it using pseudonyms for every- one, for privacy reasons. http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant > > > parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > > > > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, > the > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > > > > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > > > > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have > NOT > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first > > > claimed. > > > > No, I have. > > > > > No, you didn't. > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have > been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that > it could have been captured on videotape. > > I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have > written that you had witnessed what "looked like" levitation and not > to have used the word "real" and then qualify the experience so > extensively as you did in the follow-up posting. > > > > > > > Hundreds of times. You're just trying to > > disbelieve it. > > > > It's not a question of me disbelieving it, Unc. It's more a > question of me not allowing myself to "fall" for a recounting of a > phenomenon that it turns out didn't happen as you originally > described it. > > And if it happened "hundreds of times" and hundreds and thousands of > others saw it as you did I would suggest to you that others would be > relating their experiences of the phenomenon as you also did. > > And, hey, maybe they have. Could you please supply even just a few > names of people who also witnessed it? Maybe you could supply links > to websites of people who also witnessed it so I can read their > accounts? > > > > > I understand. I tried to disbelieve it > > myself. Didn't work. > > > > > Indeed, you then readily admitted that not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. Thanks for thinking of me, Pat, but I am not even remotely interested in such a project. I already have one unfinished translation on my plate, and I am sure it is worthy of publication. This other thing, by comparison, is just chaff in the wind. L B S > - PJG > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Ingegerd wrote: > > > > > > > > Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what > > > > happens when men and women [are] gathered > > > > in the same place. I have not read the book. > > > > But it has send some waves of chock > > > > among the Sidhas in Norway > > > > > > Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is > > maybe something like "The Clowns Masks". I got the title in Swedish - > > so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the > > book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling > > me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. > > Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should > form an alternate > > organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That > is, it would be > > concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a > resource for teachers to > > help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in > the manner they > > received it. > > Such a group would at some point have to start > thinking about running teacher training courses > to make new teachers, no? Maybe not for a while > yet, but eventually. Yes, and as I gather from conversations with others who share the interest, it would be done by consensus as to what and how. In other words, the old pros would sit together and hammer it out until everyone was satisfied that they had gotten it right. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of > > everything > > > > and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he > wouldn't > > be > > > > able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an > organisation > > that > > > > Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... > > > > > > Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) > > > > Free advice...and the teachers would get the "endorsement" from > MMY... > > Ahh, I see -- you are assuming then that he would *not* be > micromanaging the new organisation...? Because if you gave him that > kind of leeway or authority, it would seem you'd be going right back > to square one, repeating the same old patterns of the first org...:-) -): Good point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant > > parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > > > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > > > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > > > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > > > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > [snip] > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you > > originally wrote: > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." > > > > I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first > > claimed. > > No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that it could have been captured on videotape. I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have written that you had witnessed what "looked like" levitation and not to have used the word "real" and then qualify the experience so extensively as you did in the follow-up posting. > Hundreds of times. You're just trying to > disbelieve it. It's not a question of me disbelieving it, Unc. It's more a question of me not allowing myself to "fall" for a recounting of a phenomenon that it turns out didn't happen as you originally described it. And if it happened "hundreds of times" and hundreds and thousands of others saw it as you did I would suggest to you that others would be relating their experiences of the phenomenon as you also did. And, hey, maybe they have. Could you please supply even just a few names of people who also witnessed it? Maybe you could supply links to websites of people who also witnessed it so I can read their accounts? > I understand. I tried to disbelieve it > myself. Didn't work. > > > Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it > > possible that there was "some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in > > which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a > > phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level" but > > that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually > > witnessed it. > > > > So. > > > > To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to > > tell us that you DID see "real" levitation when it is obvious that -- > > even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from > > what could remotely be described as "real"? > > Shemp, you are seriously missing the point. I'm sitting > in front of you. I slowly lift up off my chair and hover in > mid-air for a few minutes. You see this clearly. You > actually pinch yourself to make sure you're not dream- > ing. You get up and walk all the way around me, to > make sure there are no hidden wires or anything. > Then I settle back down onto the chair again. > > No one else is in the room. There are no video cameras. > Did you just see what you saw, or not? > > THAT is the reality of the situation, except that in my > case there were often hundreds of people in the room > with me, seeing the same thing. ...then I would suggest to you that at least one or two of those hundreds would have either: 1) wrote a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is > > > positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big > > > yellow full moon coming up. > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev! > > > > > > OffWorld > > > > > > How NE is Sunnyvale? > > > > Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay > > Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. > > How's Buffy? O wait, that's SunnyDALE... Somehow I saw the movie- never watched the series, but the movie was ok. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > How big a desire is it? > > > I know what you're saying. Honestly I have never felt the actual desire to levitate. Not nearly as the desire to smoke a cig, or have a drink, so I guess that's about why it doesn't happen. I figure either the grace of life itself will lift me up to prove something that I myself couldn't really care about or not. I mean, I get stuff I don't desire too. Often those are the best things. Like wow, I couldn't imagine them. > Ed Zackery. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Sat Yuga Drum Set
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Also got the DVDs 'The Greatest Show on Earth' > > > > > > "Come to the circus, the greatest show on earth! > > > Come to the circus, to the circus..." > > > > > > I wanted so badly to be Betty Hutton after > > > seeing that film. For weeks afterward I'd > > > sit on the swing in the back yard dressed > > > in my bathing suit, my ankles crossed, > > > singing my little heart out. > > > > Cute! Loved that movie when I saw it! I used to tell my brother the > > circus was coming just because I wanted to see the animals and > > colorful costumes so badly. > > I never got to be Betty Hutton. Did the > circus ever arrive for you? Sort of, but it has taken my entire life to see the performance. The wonder that I sought as a child has slowly, inexorably (another favorite word...) revealed itself to me. And I've been to probably ten actual performances of the circus... I'll bet your wrong about never being Betty Hutton; all our childhood dreams come true. > Great train wreck in that movie too. And > Cornell Wilde driving his white convertible > along the train tracks toward the oncoming > train, standing up waving his arms, trying > to stop it before it hits the other train... Hey, no more peeking! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of > everything > > > and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't > be > > > able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation > that > > > Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... > > > > Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) > > Free advice...and the teachers would get the "endorsement" from MMY... Ahh, I see -- you are assuming then that he would *not* be micromanaging the new organisation...? Because if you gave him that kind of leeway or authority, it would seem you'd be going right back to square one, repeating the same old patterns of the first org...:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant > parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. > > You wrote: > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > > > > [snip] > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > [snip] > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you > originally wrote: > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." > > I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first > claimed. Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it > possible that there was "some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in > which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a > phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level" but > that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually > witnessed it. > > So. > > To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to > tell us that you DID see "real" levitation when it is obvious that -- > even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from > what could remotely be described as "real"? If what *he* experienced was remotely like what *we* experienced, it could definitely be described as "real" -- if by real you mean profoundly significant, life-changing, and so on. Much realer, more meaningful, than the "normal" reality had been, in some ways. If by real you mean a shared consensus with *everyone* else -- I am not sure this is ever possible with this kind of mind-bending phenomena, given the tenacity with which some people adhere to their own reality-constructs. I mean, even with standard psychological tests, you can get 11 witnesses swearing to 11 (sometimes) radically different versions of the same event... though in those cases it is true the videotape will pick up the "truth" of the matter (or will it?). Interesting questions, for sure :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant > parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. > > You wrote: > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > > > > [snip] > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > [snip] > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > [snip] > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you > originally wrote: > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." > > I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first > claimed. No, I have. Hundreds of times. You're just trying to disbelieve it. I understand. I tried to disbelieve it myself. Didn't work. > Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it > possible that there was "some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in > which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a > phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level" but > that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually > witnessed it. > > So. > > To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to > tell us that you DID see "real" levitation when it is obvious that -- > even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from > what could remotely be described as "real"? Shemp, you are seriously missing the point. I'm sitting in front of you. I slowly lift up off my chair and hover in mid-air for a few minutes. You see this clearly. You actually pinch yourself to make sure you're not dream- ing. You get up and walk all the way around me, to make sure there are no hidden wires or anything. Then I settle back down onto the chair again. No one else is in the room. There are no video cameras. Did you just see what you saw, or not? THAT is the reality of the situation, except that in my case there were often hundreds of people in the room with me, seeing the same thing. It doesn't MATTER how it was done. You saw it. And now you have to live with what you saw. THAT is the reality of the situation. YOU are the one who is looking for "proof" that what I experienced was what you'd like to consider "real" levitation. I have no such need. I experienced what I experienced. I was more than honest about relating it here. I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince you of anything. I just explained my experience. I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to not believe it. I *understand* that if I were able to show you video, you would STILLnot believe it. I really *do* understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was there seeing it happen. But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. It's yours. I got over mine years ago. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything > > and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be > > able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that > > Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... > > Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) Free advice...and the teachers would get the "endorsement" from MMY... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything > and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be > able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that > Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to > > keep > > > > > people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM- Center - a > > > > combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes > > for > > > > Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days > > where they > > > > are in the Academy. > > > > Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the > > > > country - that could do the following-up after the students left > > the > > > > Academy. > > > > Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM- Teacher. So > > many > > > > of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very > > disappointed > > > > about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with > > me -. > > > > They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. > > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for > > the purity of the teaching > > > lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. > > > > > > L B S > > > > I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in > > Norway, and we are very much alert to "keep the purity in our > > teaching", and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex- TM- > > Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders > > all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think > > are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an > > organisation - we have to be "self-supporting". We are the one who > > are responsible for what we are doing. > > I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other > > countries through the European Network. They are really serious about > > what they are doing. > > Ingegerd > > > > From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate > organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be > concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to > help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they > received it. > > Although this idea seems quite popular, it will clearly not manifest until Maharishi has > passed. No one wants to upset or offend him, even though many feel he has made some > critical mistakes in his "marketing plan". > > L B S This may sound like a kooky idea but, hey, nothing would surprise me in the least when it comes to the TMO: May I suggest that the very first thing that TM teachers teaching outside the movement should do who want to teach AND maintain the purity of the TM teaching is to approach MMY, tell him what they are doing, and ask his advice on what they can do to maintain the purity of the teaching. Remember that MMY himself said in a recent press conference that (and I paraphrase) that there was still some value in learning TM from people teaching it outside the movement. You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: > > Did you experience it only once? > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > [snip] > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > have been captured on videotape. > [snip] > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first claimed. Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it possible that there was "some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level" but that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually witnessed it. So. To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to tell us that you DID see "real" levitation when it is obvious that -- even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from what could remotely be described as "real"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book
Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States. - PJG --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Ingegerd wrote: > > > > > > Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what > > > happens when men and women [are] gathered > > > in the same place. I have not read the book. > > > But it has send some waves of chock > > > among the Sidhas in Norway > > > > Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is > maybe something like "The Clowns Masks". I got the title in Swedish - > so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the > book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling > me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. > Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should > form an alternate > > organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That > is, it would be > > concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a > resource for teachers to > > help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in > the manner they > > received it. > > Such a group would at some point have to start > thinking about running teacher training courses > to make new teachers, no? Maybe not for a while > yet, but eventually. Making new teachers regionally was part of the original World Plan. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate > organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be > concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to > help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they > received it. Such a group would at some point have to start thinking about running teacher training courses to make new teachers, no? Maybe not for a while yet, but eventually. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to > > keep > > > > > people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM- Center - a > > > > combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes > > for > > > > Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days > > where they > > > > are in the Academy. > > > > Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the > > > > country - that could do the following-up after the students left > > the > > > > Academy. > > > > Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So > > many > > > > of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very > > disappointed > > > > about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with > > me -. > > > > They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. > > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for > > the purity of the teaching > > > lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. > > > > > > L B S > > > > I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in > > Norway, and we are very much alert to "keep the purity in our > > teaching", and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex-TM- > > Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders > > all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think > > are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an > > organisation - we have to be "self-supporting". We are the one who > > are responsible for what we are doing. > > I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other > > countries through the European Network. They are really serious about > > what they are doing. > > Ingegerd > > > > From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate > organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be > concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to > help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they > received it. > > Although this idea seems quite popular, it will clearly not manifest until Maharishi has > passed. No one wants to upset or offend him, even though many feel he has made some > critical mistakes in his "marketing plan". > > L B S If somebody start something like that - only focusing on the teaching - I am in. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conny Larrson's book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ingegerd wrote: > > > > Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what > > happens when men and women [are] gathered > > in the same place. I have not read the book. > > But it has send some waves of chock > > among the Sidhas in Norway > > Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes? > > - Patrick Gillam I think so - the book came out recently - and the title in English is maybe something like "The Clowns Masks". I got the title in Swedish - so I do not think that my title in English is right. I ordered the book - and will receive it in 2 weeks. But what the Sidhas is telling me - it is stories about MMY also, which is quite shocking. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to > keep > > > > people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a > > > combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes > for > > > Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days > where they > > > are in the Academy. > > > Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the > > > country - that could do the following-up after the students left > the > > > Academy. > > > Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So > many > > > of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very > disappointed > > > about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with > me -. > > > They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for > the purity of the teaching > > lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. > > > > L B S > > I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in > Norway, and we are very much alert to "keep the purity in our > teaching", and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex-TM- > Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders > all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think > are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an > organisation - we have to be "self-supporting". We are the one who > are responsible for what we are doing. > I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other > countries through the European Network. They are really serious about > what they are doing. > Ingegerd >From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an >alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Although this idea seems quite popular, it will clearly not manifest until Maharishi has passed. No one wants to upset or offend him, even though many feel he has made some critical mistakes in his "marketing plan". L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > [...] > > > > > Vaj, however studied and clever he may be, is > > just not > > > > > gonna beat out the tall (6' 4"") Brazilian > > bombshell who > > > > > was dancing in front of the stage tonight. > > Just not gonna > > > > > happen. No offense, Vaj. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > 6'4" may be fun to watch, but too tall for me. > > COmpassion and all > > > > that: they'd hurt their necks trying to kiss me, > > for instance. > > > > > > Whassamatta, you too proud to stand on a stool, > > > fer pete's sake? > > > > I'm sure Pete would stand on a stool ! > > I'm 7'1". Sure you are ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
