[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not putting you on about this. It's just the strangest phenomenon in the world, but it happens. And far more often than you might think, -You mean the atraction between a man and a woman is strange even when it's between a teacher and student? No, of course not. That's natural. What is strange is that the teacher would spend a lot of time with the student he's sleeping with talking trash about the other students and putting them down. That's the phenomenon that's common, and strikes me as more than a little strange. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Themes of TMO...
Well, a bit odd indeed; my intention was to bring to awareness some of the tendencies which have been discussed here, in terms of how strange the movement has become to many outside observers, and how this might relate to theme's which have been present in the movement since Jerry, Charlie, and the more main-stream folks of times past...left the movement; There must be something at the root of what upsets people especially of late, of certain tendencies which seem to play themselves out, over and over again. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After much thought, these are a few conclusions I have come to believe, based on personal experience, past life readings, and intuition: 1. Many of the TMO people seem to be blindly obedient; stingily similar vibrations at times of the blind obedience of the Third Reich Period; working off karma from that period, either victims or victimizer's. 2. It seems that Maharishi wants to leave a certain group of people in charge who are completely surrendered to him, so that after he leaves, he can more or less, channel through these people/ as though there is little personality left, and in that vacuum the Master can speak? who knows? 3. There is a certain feeling of bureaucracy in the structure of this Peace Government, in a way, like any other bureaucracy, it has a certain comformatity, lukewarm, sexless, feeling, like many of the government folks in Washington D.C., needing power and uniform, and or costume to feel important; and some of the more successful one's are fully scripted.../? Unusual thesis Mr. Gimbel. One is struck right away by your apparitional conclusions, particularly what your mind is capable of after much thought. Might I suggest extending your argument? #4 Dog spelled backwards is - To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole problem is that in the TMO where most of the powerful figures are male and where women are accorded no respect, who amongst them is going to believe anything any woman says? I've got alot of complaints about the TMO but no where and at no time did I ever have the impression that either MMY or the TMO ever accorded women no respect; indeed, I would say that, between the sexes, preferential treatment and respect were given women...both in practise and in the teaching. I got the feeling that what Rick was referring to was the idea of women as equals. In my experience, Maharishi always treated the women around him as decoration, or as something you put up on a pedestal and revere, as opposed to actually relating to. I don't know the answer to this question, because I haven't been in touch with the TMO for so long, but among all the scientists invited to speak and lend their caveat to the TMO and help sell its products, has there ever been a woman scientist? Has any woman who is considered a leader in her field ever been invited to speak at TM-sponsored symposia? Has any woman ever been involved in the groups that do the strategic planning with Maharishi? I never saw any. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Perspective on Racism and Segregation in the US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [...] I'd really like to hear from Sparaig on what he actually believed when he asked us to name one restaurant that was integreated and what he believes now that he has heard what Barry has had to say about his experiences in the South. Barry used to drive between Tenesse and DC during that period? He's already said that he did, and that during that period he never encountered a segregated restaurant along the main highways. Pay more attention to what is said and less to what you want to be true and you'll hear more. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that MMY knows these outlandish schemes wont get achieved time after time year after year , but in effect it is some technique for his true believer type die hard followers. I am not one and get angry when these relative goals dont occur and dont really want to be a part to this cult anymore that follows a master no matter what he says whether it happens on the relative plane or not but I have to belive he knows what he is doing and it gets his followers to know his wishes and to strive for them as goals. If not then he would be so angry at everything we had not done or achieved by now he would have shut us down a long time ago way before England. Hopefully someone tells him we dont even have 500 in the domes period no less to fly and 2,000 to live in Vedic City is our Ru population or not even with everyone doing other techniques etc and we are not leaving our mortgage homes for some prefab structure. It will be great for renters. So I think he gives the weak followers who cant think for themselves these projects so that they have some path and for the rest of us who can think for ourselves we dont need that master thing. Doesn't it strike you that Maharishi is only interested in dealing with people who DO need that master thing? TM is really only being taught in schools where he can control the indoctrination of students over a period of years. Teachers who show any indication of being independent are declared non-teachers. It's an obvious consolidation of the organization to eliminate anyone who *doesn't* need the master thing, and consider him the master. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Themes of TMO...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, a bit odd indeed; my intention was to bring to awareness some of the tendencies which have been discussed here, in terms of how strange the movement has become to many outside observers, and how this might relate to theme's which have been present in the movement since Jerry, Charlie, and the more main-stream folks of times past...left the movement; There must be something at the root of what upsets people especially of late, of certain tendencies which seem to play themselves out, over and over again. Maharishi has *always* treated his students as children, with him as parent and absolute obediance a given. Almost everyone who attempted to grow up and make their own decisions about their own lives has either left the movement or been drummed out of it. I think it's pretty simple. This is the only form of interpersonal relationship with which Maharishi is comfortable. He can't possibly change, so everyone is expected to conform to his limitations and stay a child forever. As someone said here recently, these are the only people he trusts with the future of the movement. They have to have as little person- ality as possible and as little ability to stand on their own and make their own decisions as possible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that MMY knows these outlandish schemes wont get achieved time after time year after year , but in effect it is some technique for his true believer type die hard followers. I am not one and get angry when these relative goals dont occur and dont really want to be a part to this cult anymore that follows a master no matter what he says whether it happens on the relative plane or not but I have to belive he knows what he is doing and it gets his followers to know his wishes and to strive for them as goals. If not then he would be so angry at everything we had not done or achieved by now he would have shut us down a long time ago way before England. Hopefully someone tells him we dont even have 500 in the domes period no less to fly and 2,000 to live in Vedic City is our Ru population or not even with everyone doing other techniques etc and we are not leaving our mortgage homes for some prefab structure. It will be great for renters. So I think he gives the weak followers who cant think for themselves these projects so that they have some path and for the rest of us who can think for ourselves we dont need that master thing. Doesn't it strike you that Maharishi is only interested in dealing with people who DO need that master thing? TM is really only being taught in schools where he can control the indoctrination of students over a period of years. Teachers who show any indication of being independent are declared non-teachers. It's an obvious consolidation of the organization to eliminate anyone who *doesn't* need the master thing, and consider him the master. To a certain extentthis may be true (I've said as much saying that MMY is creating a hardcore group that will follow King Tony after MMY dies). However, there are reasonably (as far as I can tell) independent schools and whatnot that still associate with the TMO without the requirement of crowns and so on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why bagpipes?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pedal point represents the unmanifest?? Dunno about the pedal point; anybody know what kind of music they were playing? One of the tunes reminded me of Auld Lang Syne, but I'm not at all sure whether it was that. But the bagpipe may have originated in India as early as 1500 B.C. Whether it was invented there or not, it did originate somewhere in the Middle East in ancient times, and it's been a common folk instrument in India for millennia. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why bagpipes?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pedal point represents the unmanifest?? Dunno about the pedal point; anybody know what kind of music they were playing? One of the tunes reminded me of Auld Lang Syne, but I'm not at all sure whether it was that. It's possible. Robert Burns probably borrowed the melody from an old Scots folk song called The Miller's Wedding. But the bagpipe may have originated in India as early as 1500 B.C. Whether it was invented there or not, it did originate somewhere in the Middle East in ancient times, and it's been a common folk instrument in India for millennia. Citations, please, especially for the last sentence, and the last word in the sentence. I had a friend (Robin Williamson) who was rather an authority on musical instruments, being the master of many of them. The only non-Celtic links he could ever find to the East for the bagpipe were rumors (that is, never any actual instruments) that the Sumerian bagpipes had worked their way East, transported there by Celtic travelers. In other words, this rap sounds to me like yet another of those Maharishi-inspired fantasies about all things valuable having had their origination in India. :-) As for their appearance in the ceremonies, I still hold to my theory that Maharishi can't tell the differ- ence between true ancient India and the India of the British Raj. They're all muddled up in his mind as some pastiche fantasy of a better age in the past. I saw many instances of this in the time I was working with him on publications. He'd look at drawings of buildings and declare, That is Vedic, and the building would turn out to be a drawing of one of the British Raj's administrative headquarters. He's impressed by pomp and ceremony, and thinks it impresses others. And the pomp and ceremony he grew up with was British. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vacation photo (sorta)
I was going to refer those who've been curious about the area of France I'm vacationing in to the latest (August) issue of Geo magazine, but I can't tell for sure on the Web whether it has an English-language edition. Anyway, they have a section this month on Languedoc-Roussillion, and it even contains a photo of the house I live in. If you find the French edition, it's on pages 110-111. Since I couldn't find a link to that photo, here's another one: http://www.tourinfos.com/fr/r0011/d0030/m0003/p000549.htm My house is the one just to the left of the bush in the fore- ground, on the right of the photo. If you look closely, you can probably see me waving from the terrace... :-) It's looking pretty certain that I'll be able to move here in the Fall, and live in the same house. Life is good... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why bagpipes?
On Aug 3, 2005, at 5:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: As for their appearance in the ceremonies, I still hold to my theory that Maharishi can't tell the differ- ence between true ancient India and the India of the British Raj. There certainly are aspects of M.'s teaching which really have the mark of being influenced by the British and possibly--most likely--a heavily Brit-influenced education. We really don't know because M. has done such a great job at hiding his past. There are certain earmarks I look for in a version of Indian teachings which have been tainted by western, mostly Christian, influence and M.'s filtering of Indian trads. is filled with that style. I suspect part of the reason for bagpipes is it's microtonality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vacation photo (sorta)
On Aug 3, 2005, at 5:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: My house is the one just to the left of the bush in the fore- ground, on the right of the photo. If you look closely, you can probably see me waving from the terrace... :-) It's looking pretty certain that I'll be able to move here in the Fall, and live in the same house. Life is good... How much would such a house cost in American dollars? I know of several groups of yogis in the south of France who have set up communal farms or gars there. Apparently it's quite reasonable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vacation photo (sorta)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My house is the one just to the left of the bush in the fore- ground, on the right of the photo. If you look closely, you can probably see me waving from the terrace... :-) Here's a sunset photo taken from that terrace. I'd forgotten that I put it up on the Web... http://www.members.aol.com/tantricone/share/Sunset.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Not hard for me to imagine at all Whoa dude. Now that is Awesome! That is just plain beautiful. Hats off to Llundrub, the cooking, writing sensation from NOLA. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
-- I've got alot of complaints about the TMO but no where and at no time did I ever have the impression that either MMY or the TMO ever accorded women no respect; indeed, I would say that, between the sexes, preferential treatment and respect were given women...both in practise and in the teaching. Ain't no lady Rajas... The TMO of old is not be the TMO of present. Sort of the whole rasion etre for FFL right? lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also is she married? Is now; wasn't then. He's starting to crack. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why bagpipes?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pedal point represents the unmanifest?? Dunno about the pedal point; anybody know what kind of music they were playing? snip But the bagpipe may have originated in India as early as 1500 B.C. Whether it was invented there or not, it did originate somewhere in the Middle East in ancient times, and it's been a common folk instrument in India for millennia. Citations, please, especially for the last sentence, and the last word in the sentence. I had a friend (Robin Williamson) who was rather an authority on musical instruments, being the master of many of them. The only non-Celtic links he could ever find to the East for the bagpipe were rumors (that is, never any actual instruments) that the Sumerian bagpipes had worked their way East, transported there by Celtic travelers. In other words, this rap sounds to me like yet another of those Maharishi-inspired fantasies about all things valuable having had their origination in India. :-) Nope. I Googled bagpipes 'cause I don't know much about them. What I was mainly looking for was some indication that the drone was anything more than an artifact of the nature of the instrument, i.e., whether in Celtic music it was considered to represent the unmanifest or had some similar kind of esoteric significance, per eki's suggestion. I didn't look long enough to find anything about that, but I did, to my surprise, find quite a bit about the bagpipe's Middle Eastern origins, which I hadn't known about at all. Nobody seems to know for sure where it originated, but India is one of the guesses, as well as Sumeria and some other places. Although physical evidence of actual ancient bagpipes is very scarce--apparently because they were made primarily of animal skin and wood, and also because it was a peasant or folk instrument--there's a great deal of literary and pictorial evidence. There's a Hittite slab from 1000 B.C. that depicts a bagpipe, for instance, and one is mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures. One Web site suggested that the proto-bagpipe (more the pipes than the bag) was probably the second musical instrument to evolve after percussion instruments. Here's a few sites: http://tinyurl.com/8yl4w http://www.benalipipesdrums.org/history.html http://www.bagpipes-henderson.com/historyBagpipes.html http://www.skep.com/britton/History.htm http://users.rcn.com/ceverett.massed/Russian%20Bagpipe%20Paper.htm As for their appearance in the ceremonies, I still hold to my theory that Maharishi can't tell the differ- ence between true ancient India and the India of the British Raj. They're all muddled up in his mind as some pastiche fantasy of a better age in the past. Could be. In particular, using the bagpipe for a royal ceremony is more British Raj than native Indian; as noted, the bagpipe is a folk or peasant instrument in India. What I'm curious about is whether there's devotional music for bagpipe in India, or some form of Ghandarva- Veda music. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Themes of TMO...
There must be something at the root of what upsets people especially of late, of certain tendencies which seem to play themselves out, over and over again.Yeah, MMY was inscrutable, hid his true intentions from all his helpers, and they therefore felt useless. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
talking trash about the other students and putting them down.That's the phenomenon that's common, and strikes me as morethan a little strange.It can mean only one thing - self hatred - otherwise the teacher would have to respect the student who had the foresight to listen to him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vacation photo (sorta)
So you're truely a suave guy. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vacation photo (sorta) I was going to refer those who've been curious about the area of France I'm vacationing in to the latest (August) issue of Geo magazine, but I can't tell for sure on the Web whetherit has an English-language edition. Anyway, they have asection this month on Languedoc-Roussillion, and it evencontains a photo of the house I live in. If you find the Frenchedition, it's on pages 110-111.Since I couldn't find a link to that photo, here's another one:http://www.tourinfos.com/fr/r0011/d0030/m0003/p000549.htmMy house is the one just to the left of the bush in the fore-ground, on the right of the photo. If you look closely, youcan probably see me waving from the terrace... :-)It's looking pretty certain that I'll be able to move here inthe Fall, and live in the same house. Life is good... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Perspective on Racism and Segregation in the US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [...] I'd really like to hear from Sparaig on what he actually believed when he asked us to name one restaurant that was integreated and what he believes now that he has heard what Barry has had to say about his experiences in the South. Barry used to drive between Tenesse and DC during that period? He said he made many car trips from Florida and Georgia to New England. Not sure going through Carthage, TN, where the Gores started from (not Nashville as I said earlier), would have been the fastest route; it's quite a bit west of Florida and Georgia. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
Oh thanks. MY wife said, "Will you stop please. I'm trying to eat." - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:snip Not hard for me to imagine at allWhoa dude. Now that is Awesome! That is just plain beautiful. Hats off to Llundrub, the cooking, writing sensation from NOLA.lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.
yes I do agree and it is not for me I love living in Fairfield because we have been here so long and have so many friends here and it is small town living at its finest very easy. You give up amenties but they are close by if you need them. Not like some cities but enough to get by it is very sweet but the whole TMO thing makes me feel so jailed in this town. I try to just stay away from it . I am sure in some big city I would feel jailed by traffic or something else. I do feel very safe here which goes a long way these days , but yes I think it has always been this way the weak are around MMY. They may be brillant but they cant think for themselves at all and are happy to blindly follow a master. Does he take advantage of that probably why would he want to waste his energy going up against all the non believers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that MMY knows these outlandish schemes wont get achieved time after time year after year , but in effect it is some technique for his true believer type die hard followers. I am not one and get angry when these relative goals dont occur and dont really want to be a part to this cult anymore that follows a master no matter what he says whether it happens on the relative plane or not but I have to belive he knows what he is doing and it gets his followers to know his wishes and to strive for them as goals. If not then he would be so angry at everything we had not done or achieved by now he would have shut us down a long time ago way before England. Hopefully someone tells him we dont even have 500 in the domes period no less to fly and 2,000 to live in Vedic City is our Ru population or not even with everyone doing other techniques etc and we are not leaving our mortgage homes for some prefab structure. It will be great for renters. So I think he gives the weak followers who cant think for themselves these projects so that they have some path and for the rest of us who can think for ourselves we dont need that master thing. Doesn't it strike you that Maharishi is only interested in dealing with people who DO need that master thing? TM is really only being taught in schools where he can control the indoctrination of students over a period of years. Teachers who show any indication of being independent are declared non-teachers. It's an obvious consolidation of the organization to eliminate anyone who *doesn't* need the master thing, and consider him the master. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.
Well I will change it to those who want to follow a master and not think for themselves at all. @yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that MMY knows these outlandish schemes wont get achieved time after time year after year , but in effect it is some technique for his true believer type die hard followers. I am not one and get angry when these relative goals dont occur and dont really want to be a part to this cult anymore that follows a master no matter what he says whether it happens on the relative plane or not but I have to belive he knows what he is doing and it gets his followers to know his wishes and to strive for them as goals. If not then he would be so angry at everything we had not done or achieved by now he would have shut us down a long time ago way before England. Hopefully someone tells him we dont even have 500 in the domes period no less to fly and 2,000 to live in Vedic City is our Ru population or not even with everyone doing other techniques etc and we are not leaving our mortgage homes for some prefab structure. It will be great for renters. So I think he gives the weak followers who cant think for themselves these projects so that they have some path and for the rest of us who can think for ourselves we dont need that master thing. Doesn't it strike you that Maharishi is only interested in dealing with people who DO need that master thing? TM is really only being taught in schools where he can control the indoctrination of students over a period of years. Teachers who show any indication of being independent are declared non-teachers. It's an obvious consolidation of the organization to eliminate anyone who *doesn't* need the master thing, and consider him the master. To a certain extentthis may be true (I've said as much saying that MMY is creating a hardcore group that will follow King Tony after MMY dies). However, there are reasonably (as far as I can tell) independent schools and whatnot that still associate with the TMO without the requirement of crowns and so on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vacation photo (sorta)
How did you get this house in France? I have friends that go each summer and find it hard to get a house that is suitable due to age and mold etc and end up staying more country hotels that come very recommended. They also need to be where the kids can go to day camp in French. Looks lovely. ... wrote: I was going to refer those who've been curious about the area of France I'm vacationing in to the latest (August) issue of Geo magazine, but I can't tell for sure on the Web whether it has an English-language edition. Anyway, they have a section this month on Languedoc-Roussillion, and it even contains a photo of the house I live in. If you find the French edition, it's on pages 110-111. Since I couldn't find a link to that photo, here's another one: http://www.tourinfos.com/fr/r0011/d0030/m0003/p000549.htm My house is the one just to the left of the bush in the fore- ground, on the right of the photo. If you look closely, you can probably see me waving from the terrace... :-) It's looking pretty certain that I'll be able to move here in the Fall, and live in the same house. Life is good... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sanskrit (?) term sought
Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe the wave of energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help kickstart creation for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing. He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
TurquoiseB wrote: What is strange is that the teacher would spend a lot of time with the student he's sleeping with talking trash about the other students and putting them down. That's the phenomenon that's common, and strikes me as more than a little strange. Here's my theory. Readers may see in it my familiar worldview -- the Science of Creative Intelligence. - Creation arises from an underlying field of Truth, Beauty and Unity. - Creation is itself a lie, for it gives the impression of differences. - Despite being a lie, Creation strives to rediscover and express the Truth, Beauty and Life at its source. - Although people may act on the basis of their perceived separateness -- say, they hurt another person as if that hurt could not affect the person doing the hurting -- they cannot escape the underlying Unity, Beauty and Truth. - Conscience is the expression of the underlying Unity, Truth and Beauty. In other words, if we were not creatures of something Good, connected at our source, why would anyone ever give a rat's ass about anyone else? Why would criminals feel remorse and confess? Why would heros risk their lives for strangers? Even in the depths of ignorance, Unity tries to live in us each day. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe the wave of energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help kickstart creation for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing. He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is? navaswan - but I have no idea of the spelling - Cardmeister? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Perspective on Racism and Segregation in the US
In a message dated 8/3/05 8:06:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Barry used to drive between Tenesse and DC during that period?He said he made many car trips from Florida andGeorgia to New England. Not sure going throughCarthage, TN, where the Gores started from (notNashville as I said earlier), would have been thefastest route; it's quite a bit west of Florida and Georgia. Based on my drives through Tennessee and Virginia I would guess the Gores would have traveled up Interstate 81 and would have taken noon meals between Bristol and Lexington. Virginia, not being in the deep South, probably was not as adamant about segregation policies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...talking trash about the other students and putting them down. That's the phenomenon that's common, and strikes me as more than a little strange. It can mean only one thing - self hatred - otherwise the teacher would have to respect the student who had the foresight to listen to him. That's certainly a possibility. It could also be a method of channeling self-doubts by projecting them onto the students. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vacation photo (sorta)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you're truely a suave guy. That's Sauve, but I get it. :-) Actually, the original medieval name probably was Sauve' (I don't know how to make real accent marks on my friend's Mac), which would mean saved. I have been SAVED, dear bretheren! Rejoice for me and for the Lawd. Put your hands on that monitor in front of you and be healed! Then send me all your money via Paypal. [ The preceding has been a public service announcement sponsored by the Blinding Light Church of the Presumptous Assumption, Sauve, France. ] :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: What is strange is that the teacher would spend a lot of time with the student he's sleeping with talking trash about the other students and putting them down. That's the phenomenon that's common, and strikes me as more than a little strange. Here's my theory. Readers may see in it my familiar worldview -- the Science of Creative Intelligence. - Creation arises from an underlying field of Truth, Beauty and Unity. - Creation is itself a lie, for it gives the impression of differences. - Despite being a lie, Creation strives to rediscover and express the Truth, Beauty and Life at its source. - Although people may act on the basis of their perceived separateness -- say, they hurt another person as if that hurt could not affect the person doing the hurting -- they cannot escape the underlying Unity, Beauty and Truth. - Conscience is the expression of the underlying Unity, Truth and Beauty. In other words, if we were not creatures of something Good, connected at our source, why would anyone ever give a rat's ass about anyone else? Why would criminals feel remorse and confess? Why would heros risk their lives for strangers? Even in the depths of ignorance, Unity tries to live in us each day. Pretty interesting and positive way of looking at it. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unity tries to live in us each day. - Patrick Gillam Isn't Unity what we are, rather than something that lives in us? Isn't that what we're trying to realize? An important distinction. The former way of putting it (Patrick's statement) implies that the force doing the uniting is Unity itself, as if it were sentient. That's certainly one way of seeing the situation, but it isn't necessary to postulate the state of consciousness of Unity. Jeff's statement does more justice to the idea that Unity (eter- nity, Self, whatever) has always been present. There was no need for anything to try to live it in us...it was already there. All that was necessary was for us to realize this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
Isn't Unity what we are, rather than something that "lives in us?"Isn't that what we're trying to "realize?"On that note, I looked out the window and noticed that several huge wasps have decided they love my garden, and elsewhere, a rat must have spent some quality time eating my food offerings on an outer windowsill. So I'm wondering what the nature of unity is that structured my probably having to kill these beings. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Unity what we are, rather than something that lives in us? Isn't that what we're trying to realize? On that note, I looked out the window and noticed that several huge wasps have decided they love my garden, and elsewhere, a rat must have spent some quality time eating my food offerings on an outer windowsill. So I'm wondering what the nature of unity is that structured my probably having to kill these beings. Does Unity care? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Unity what we are, rather than something that lives in us? Isn't that what we're trying to realize? On that note, I looked out the window and noticed that several huge wasps have decided they love my garden, and elsewhere, a rat must have spent some quality time eating my food offerings on an outer windowsill. So I'm wondering what the nature of unity is that structured my probably having to kill these beings. You could find a way to coexist with them. That'd be pretty unifying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Unity what we are, rather than something that lives in us? Isn't that what we're trying to realize? On that note, I looked out the window and noticed that several huge wasps have decided they love my garden, and elsewhere, a rat must have spent some quality time eating my food offerings on an outer windowsill. So I'm wondering what the nature of unity is that structured my probably having to kill these beings. The ability to *sanely* discriminate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Themes of TMO...
on 8/3/05 1:46 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has *always* treated his students as children, with him as parent and absolute obediance a given. Almost everyone who attempted to grow up and make their own decisions about their own lives has either left the movement or been drummed out of it. I think it's pretty simple. This is the only form of interpersonal relationship with which Maharishi is comfortable. He can't possibly change, so everyone is expected to conform to his limitations and stay a child forever. As M said to a friend of mine when he sent him away from Vlodrop, You have become too independent and I can't stand it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please recommend software
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Gillam wrote: Can anyone in the room recommend shareware I can use to manipulate PDFs and JPEGs? If you'd like to reply off-list to keep the clutter down, I'm sure everyone will appreciate it. Thank you kindly! - Patrick Gillam There are printer drivers that output to PDF files instead of a printer. That way you can use almost any graphics or wordprocessor to create PDFs. These are far less expensive than buying Acrobat (I paid $25 for one). In some more recent programs may be able to export to PDF. Just do some searches. Thanks for staying legal. Software development of today's products takes large teams composed of specialists in their field and somebody has to pay for that. Without the income the software won't exist. - Bhairitu Ever heard of Linux? Historians will have two observations on 20th Century IT. The first is that someone made 67 thousand millions of pounds selling faulty goods and the other is that so many people put up with it. Don't bleed for fat cats that cause problems for others by not accepting responsibility for their goods Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
In other words, if we were not creatures of something Good, connected at our source, why would anyone ever give a rat's ass about anyone else? Why would criminals feel remorse and confess? Why would heros risk their lives for strangers? Even in the depths of ignorance, Unity tries to live in us each day.Pretty interesting and positive way of looking at it. Thanks.Ah, I had missed this. Why would anyone give a rat's ass. I have a rat problem, that is, rats are eating my attic. I had put out poison for them many times. I always feel sorry for them, but what can you do? They breed and take over if you let them. Rats don't try to ask us for permission before digging out the roots under our favorite trees and digging out deep holes in our walls. Sure from God's perspective they probably have just as much right to life as humans (Unless you like the Torah or New testament of The Book, in which case, yeah, fuck em). But unfortunately we cannot coexist. Rats are vermin carriers and anathema to cleanliness and health. On the other hand, wasps are dangerous critters. I have no compunction about letting them live, but if they stung my wife I would feel quite slighted as if I had been remiss in my duties as a husband and care provider. In theOld Eastern Americawasps nests often were allowed even inside the home because wasps are predatory and kill other bugs. If you don't step on them or attack them they leave you alone. In theory. However, imagine doing your asanas for world peace and rolling over on a wasp. Wasps sting and their entire internal organs shove the stinger into you, thus killing it. The stinger is blood covered carrying many microorganisms to your own bloodstream. Not to mention poison. Wasps are sort of like terrorists.Sort of like American troops in Iraq too. From reports in the paper American troops have started attacking civilians who even look suspicious by shooting first and asking questions second. So if intelligent humans can act like this then what of wasps? I don't know. I am a man of peace. If I fight, I merely fight with words.Usually. How can I tell these wasps I am gonna fucking kill them if they don't split? How can I tell these rats that I do love them as God's creatures, and I even think they're cute, but they have to die? But worst, how can I be such a fucking hypocrite?! Unity consciousness. I'll let them be just for now. Today I am meditating. Until the wife gets wise and busts my balls over it. Then they're screwed. So that I can be. Maybe they'll just go away Om namah shankar shoo fly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Themes of TMO...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/3/05 1:46 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As M said to a friend of mine when he sent him away from Vlodrop, You have become too independent and I can't stand it. Reminds me of how I felt when my wife became more self-determined after doing Scientology for a while. She initially did pretty much what I told her to do without much ability to observe or discriminate on her own. Then her awareness came up and I had to weather Ralph Cramden syndrome. Fortunately, I did. I couldn't be prouder of her. She keeps me honest and is such an equal partner. I'm glad to know I had at least at little something to do with helping her realize who she really is: a phenomenal being who I couldn't imagine living without, contrary to MMY's purported tactic. Jeff PS Rick, it's good to have you back. I can't exactly explain why, but I feel a wave of affinity when I see a post is from you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe the wave of energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help kickstart creation for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing. He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is? navaswan - but I have no idea of the spelling - Cardmeister? JohnY Can't figure out what it could be; 'nava' means either 'new' or 'nine', 'svan'(swan) means 'sound'(voice), etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe the wave of energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help kickstart creation for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing. He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is? navaswan - but I have no idea of the spelling - Cardmeister? JohnY Can't figure out what it could be; 'nava' means either 'new' or 'nine', 'svan'(swan) means 'sound'(voice), etc. Here's a colorful graphical definition, from Fairfield even: http://www.navaswan.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bush Administration and DEA to Extradite God from Heaven...
Thanks Swami Bush Administration and DEA to Extradite God from Heaven... for conspiracy to manufacture and distribute dangerous drugs. Yes, our Heavenly Father, Creator of the Universe as well as the lowly marijuana seed, is charged with attempting to poison America's youth and undermine Christian values.While the Bush Administration has yet to figure out how to serve the warrant, a DEA spokesman said this is mostly a symbolic gesture to put God on notice that, "Even he is not above the law, and being omnipotent, should have forseen the dire consequences of this disruptive and highly addictive creation." The spokesman futher pondered, "I wonder what he has to say about this?"It has been rumored that God in turn merely smiled benevolently and nodded towards the first chapter of the Bible.The ACLU pointed out that while God could get life in prison; that this would be extremely cruel for an immortal being. "However; at this time we are not preparing a defense as Johny Cochran has already volunteered his services from the Other Side," an ACLU lawyer said.Several billion tax dollars have already been funneled into the private sector to start construction of a prison secure enough to hold a Divine Being, "just in case" a Department of Prisons release noted. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:19 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe the wave of energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help kickstart creation for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing. He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is? navaswan - but I have no idea of the spelling - Cardmeister? JohnY Can't figure out what it could be; 'nava' means either 'new' or 'nine', 'svan'(swan) means 'sound'(voice), etc. It ain't in Monier-Williams... Found on the web: It is the time of day that East Indians call Navasvan (Newself); the gap between dark and dawn, when many realms overlap. It is the Hour of creation within creation, also called the hour of Brahma, the Creator. http://www.mouthofgod.net/book/chapter_1.html Otherwise, like Eki says: NAVA, new=Gr. NEOS=L. NOVUS (NOVELTY, NOVICE, INNOVATE, RENOVATE; NAPLES/NAPOLI [Italy]: neos + polis, city) SVAN, to sound (SONAR, SONI; SWAN, the bird [sic]) http://www.mouthofgod.net/book/chapter_1.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY address Nov, 1960; Lakshman Joo?
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came across this old address of MMY entitled Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, inaugural address November 7, 1960 - Deep Meditation - Laksman Joo. The lecture was given at Cambridge (UK). Does anyone know *why* Swami laksham Joo's name is be mentioned in the title? Since TM resembles and contains parts of Lakshman Joo's teachings I can't help but wonder why. http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html -Vaj Could you please elaborate on what in TM resembles and contains parts of Lakshman Joo's teachings? I am curious because I have heard that Lakshman Joo's tradition is Kashmir Shaivism which is the one from which Muktananda comes from, someone whom I've always been fascinated to read... Warning! Strong personal opinion being expresed here: I wouldn't sully Lakshman Joo's name by linking it to Muktananda who had quite the dick problem. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
on 8/3/05 7:41 AM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also is she married? Is now; wasn't then. He's starting to crack. Her name rhymes with floccinaucinihilipilification To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Themes of TMO...
on 8/3/05 10:00 AM, Jeff Fischer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS Rick, it's good to have you back. I can't exactly explain why, but I feel a wave of affinity when I see a post is from you. Thanks, and I'm glad you've decided to stick around for a bit, although I can't promise that I'll be able to reward you with juicy tidbits. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/3/05 7:41 AM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also is she married? Is now; wasn't then. He's starting to crack. Her name rhymes with floccinaucinihilipilification Shit. I've slept with her, too. I hope she doesn't tell all. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY address Nov, 1960; Lakshman Joo?
on 8/3/05 11:21 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning! Strong personal opinion being expresed here: I wouldn't sully Lakshman Joo's name by linking it to Muktananda who had quite the dick problem. Someone told me recently that his friend, who was Lakshman Joo's right hand man for 8 years (after leaving the TMO), told him that LJ used to hold his penis, ostensibly for some spiritual energy-raising purpose. I don't know if he did anything more than hold it. Another one bites the dust. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--'A Course in Miracles', claims that unity, is the basis of miracles, and that any 'healing' occurs when 'Unity' is experienced; by definition, this experience of unity, mentioned in the Course, happens when the ego is transcended, when the 'body' and thoughts of seperation, cease, and spirit cognizes spirit. atma cognizes Atma. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, if we were not creatures of something Good, connected at our source, why would anyone ever give a rat's ass about anyone else? Why would criminals feel remorse and confess? Why would heros risk their lives for strangers? Even in the depths of ignorance, Unity tries to live in us each day. Pretty interesting and positive way of looking at it. Thanks. Ah, I had missed this. Why would anyone give a rat's ass. I have a rat problem, that is, rats are eating my attic. I had put out poison for them many times. I always feel sorry for them, but what can you do? They breed and take over if you let them. Rats don't try to ask us for permission before digging out the roots under our favorite trees and digging out deep holes in our walls. Sure from God's perspective they probably have just as much right to life as humans (Unless you like the Torah or New testament of The Book, in which case, yeah, fuck em). But unfortunately we cannot coexist. Rats are vermin carriers and anathema to cleanliness and health. On the other hand, wasps are dangerous critters. I have no compunction about letting them live, but if they stung my wife I would feel quite slighted as if I had been remiss in my duties as a husband and care provider. In the Old Eastern America wasps nests often were allowed even inside the home because wasps are predatory and kill other bugs. If you don't step on them or attack them they leave you alone. In theory. However, imagine doing your asanas for world peace and rolling over on a wasp. Wasps sting and their entire internal organs shove the stinger into you, thus killing it. The stinger is blood covered carrying many microorganisms to your own bloodstream. Not to mention poison. Wasps are sort of like terrorists. Sort of like American troops in Iraq too. From reports in the paper American troops have started attacking civilians who even look suspicious by shooting first and asking questions second. So if intelligent humans can act like this then what of wasps? I don't know. I am a man of peace. If I fight, I merely fight with words. Usually. How can I tell these wasps I am gonna fucking kill them if they don't split? How can I tell these rats that I do love them as God's creatures, and I even think they're cute, but they have to die? But worst, how can I be such a fucking hypocrite?! Unity consciousness. I'll let them be just for now. Today I am meditating. Until the wife gets wise and busts my balls over it. Then they're screwed. So that I can be. Maybe they'll just go away Om namah shankar shoo fly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi --- - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- - To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY address Nov, 1960; Lakshman Joo?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/3/05 11:21 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning! Strong personal opinion being expresed here: I wouldn't sully Lakshman Joo's name by linking it to Muktananda who had quite the dick problem. Someone told me recently that his friend, who was Lakshman Joo's right hand man for 8 years (after leaving the TMO), told him that LJ used to hold his penis, ostensibly for some spiritual energy-raising purpose. I don't know if he did anything more than hold it. Another one bites the dust. I guess Peter will now have to employ his own standard of sullied reputation to his beloved Lakshman Joo and from now on refer to him as one also with a dick problem... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe the wave of energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help kickstart creation for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing. He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is? navaswan - but I have no idea of the spelling - Cardmeister? JohnY Can't figure out what it could be; 'nava' means either 'new' or 'nine', 'svan'(swan) means 'sound'(voice), etc. Here's a colorful graphical definition, from Fairfield even: http://www.navaswan.com/ Ah, thank you all! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:19 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe the
wave of
energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help kickstart
creation
for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing.
He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is?
navaswan - but I have no idea of the spelling - Cardmeister?
JohnY
Can't figure out what it could be; 'nava' means either 'new' or
'nine', 'svan'(swan) means 'sound'(voice), etc.
It ain't in Monier-Williams...
Found on the web:
It is the time of day that East Indians call Navasvan (Newself);
Oh, then the second component (svan) must be a form of 'sva'
that at least I have never encountered.
1 sva (poss. refl.) one's own (often ---). m. n. one's self (in the
obl. cases also used as a pronoun, cf. {Atman}); m. f. {A} a
kinsman or relation, a man or woman of one's own caste; n. property,
wealth, riches.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--'A Course in Miracles', claims that unity, is the basis of miracles, and that any 'healing' occurs when 'Unity' is experienced; by definition, this experience of unity, mentioned in the Course, happens when the ego is transcended, when the 'body' and thoughts of seperation, cease, and spirit cognizes spirit. atma cognizes Atma. So I will be healed when I kill the rats and wasps? Or they will be healed? Or I should just make reallly really good friends with them. Invite them in, set places at the table and even keep a few of each in my pockets? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY address Nov, 1960; Lakshman Joo?
On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:57 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: Could you please elaborate on what in TM resembles and contains parts of Lakshman Joo's teachings? I am curious because I have heard that Lakshman Joo's tradition is Kashmir Shaivism which is the one from which Muktananda comes from, someone whom I've always been fascinated to read... I was thinking primarily of the gap, the sandhi in mantra yoga, breath, etc. It is said that Mahesh begged Lakshman Joo for the Vijnana-Bhairava techniques. I wonder if Lakshman Joo held M.'s penis? I have pictures of them sitting together...I'll have to check the hands... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
- Patrick Gillam wrote Unity tries to live in us each day. Jeff Fischer wrote: Isn't Unity what we are, rather than something that lives in us? Isn't that what we're trying to realize? To the ignorant, unity is something trying to get out, to make itself known, to stop being ignored. Twinges of conscience are instances where I've acted as if I'm alone, separate from others, and hence separate from their pain. But the pain leaks through, and I feel it. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY address Nov, 1960; Lakshman Joo?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:57 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: Could you please elaborate on what in TM resembles and contains parts of Lakshman Joo's teachings? I am curious because I have heard that Lakshman Joo's tradition is Kashmir Shaivism which is the one from which Muktananda comes from, someone whom I've always been fascinated to read... I was thinking primarily of the gap, the sandhi in mantra yoga, breath, etc. It is said that Mahesh begged Lakshman Joo for the Vijnana-Bhairava techniques. What exactly are the Vijnana-Bhairava techniques? Can you elaborate on this as well as the sandhi? I wonder if Lakshman Joo held M.'s penis? I have pictures of them sitting together...I'll have to check the hands... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:19 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe the
wave of
energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help kickstart
creation
for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing.
He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is?
navaswan - but I have no idea of the spelling - Cardmeister?
JohnY
Can't figure out what it could be; 'nava' means either 'new' or
'nine', 'svan'(swan) means 'sound'(voice), etc.
It ain't in Monier-Williams...
Found on the web:
It is the time of day that East Indians call Navasvan (Newself);
Oh, then the second component (svan) must be a form of 'sva'
that at least I have never encountered.
1 sva (poss. refl.) one's own (often ---). m. n. one's self (in the
obl. cases also used as a pronoun, cf. {Atman}); m. f. {A} a
kinsman or relation, a man or woman of one's own caste; n. property,
wealth, riches.
These things are based on Swara Yoga which yogis and tantrics practice
in daily life. Usually our breath switches dominance from one nostril
to the other about every hour and a half. Using one nostril or the
other is auspicious for certain things.
Here are a couple of links (and there are many more if you do a search):
http://www.sanatansociety.org/yoga_and_meditation/swara_yoga.htm
http://www.yogapoint.com/info/article6.htm
- Bhairitu
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[FairfieldLife] The meaning of *burning out your karma*....
...the seeds of desire that have gone deep into the subconscious mind are 'roasted' in the fire of knowledge (Sat Chit Ananda, ever new joy) and the intellect (finest, subtlest aspect of the individual, jiva) is established in Being (atma) and free from samsara (reincarnation) and achieves (Moksha,liberation). However, there is still karma, (from past lives and this) which must be reconciled, as is the law of karma, 'As ye sow, so shall ye reap', this karma must be accounted for or voluntarily amended. If one is established in nirvikalpa samadhi (all time state of samadhi) the effect of this karma is minimal but still equal to its cause. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please recommend software
uns_tressor wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Gillam wrote: Can anyone in the room recommend shareware I can use to manipulate PDFs and JPEGs? If you'd like to reply off-list to keep the clutter down, I'm sure everyone will appreciate it. Thank you kindly! - Patrick Gillam There are printer drivers that output to PDF files instead of a printer. That way you can use almost any graphics or wordprocessor to create PDFs. These are far less expensive than buying Acrobat (I paid $25 for one). In some more recent programs may be able to export to PDF. Just do some searches. Thanks for staying legal. Software development of today's products takes large teams composed of specialists in their field and somebody has to pay for that. Without the income the software won't exist. - Bhairitu Ever heard of Linux? Historians will have two observations on 20th Century IT. The first is that someone made 67 thousand millions of pounds selling faulty goods and the other is that so many people put up with it. Don't bleed for fat cats that cause problems for others by not accepting responsibility for their goods Uns. Uns, you have a short memory ;-) I mentioned a while back I am using Linux in fact right now on Knoppix with Thunderbird as my email client. I very much think that for operating systems open source is the way to go. Microsoft is a Frankenstein monster unleashed on the world by circumstance. It needs to be broken up into about 100 companies (or maybe 1000). Even Bill Gates said in the early 1990s it might be better broken up into 3 companies. But he never did it. I would even bet that right now there is a Microsoft Linux group in Redmond. :) Open Source for apps can be good too especially if it's a niche market item where the customers who would be interested don't have the income to purchase it. However we often have to wait for a complete product from open source folks and if the folks driving the development get bored or get offered a good job (because someone noticed their work on the project) then the project falters. Pricing commercial software can be high voodoo too. You need to make a profit to survive and you need to cover your development expenses. Even then it is a crap shoot. Price it too high and your customers won't buy it and price it too low and folks won't think it's worth anything. Hmm reminds me of something else. ;-) As for bugs, your tester usually miss something that shows up as soon as you release. Therefore all first releases should be considered betas unless the program is really simple. Open betas help with the process but for some products won't be practical. And bugs aren't limited to just software. Your computer, your TV, your DVD player, camcorder, digital camera, game console, etc. all ship with bugs which required workarounds. Believe me, just because the product has a big company name on it doesn't mean the code is any better. Often there is a distance between the desires of the suits that run the company (who are often clueless about how software and hardware is developed) and the realities of the development team. - the Geek Tantrik To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY address Nov, 1960; Lakshman Joo?
On Aug 3, 2005, at 2:20 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What exactly are the Vijnana-Bhairava techniques? Can you elaborate on this as well as the sandhi? The Vijanana-Bhairava is a collection of 112 different yogas. The text requires an oral explanation in many cases because it is deliberately obscure--thus Mahesh requested the teaching on these yogas from one of the last living masters. Sandhi is the gap talked of in TMO. It occurs numerous places--between the disappearance of one thought and the reemergence of another, or the gap between in-breath and out-breath, etc. It the doorway to the transcendent. Different techniques use this to enter the transcendent in different ways. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
This esoteric experience of burning karma is, in fact, related to a little known Jewish technique of burning your kishka's out. For those who don't know, a kishka, in one definition, simply means, intestine. A more modern interpretion relates to heartburn. Himey Yonkel says that the first known experience of having your kishka burned out was the first day Katz's Deli, on Delancey Street in Manhattan, opened. The first customer ordered a pastrami sandwich, sat down, took a bite, swallowed, his face beamed and he cried out, This is heavenly! However, about an hour later, he was walking down Broadway, near 39th Street, in the garment district, when he cried out, My kishka's are killing me then he belched and the people three deep away from him could be heard saying, It smells like pastrami around here. Since then many millions of native New Yorkers as well as tourists regularly participate in this ancient tribal rite of having their kishka's burned out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please recommend software
Have you tried this site for shareware? http://www.download.com/ --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uns_tressor wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Gillam wrote: Can anyone in the room recommend shareware I can use to manipulate PDFs and JPEGs? If you'd like to reply off-list to keep the clutter down, I'm sure everyone will appreciate it. Thank you kindly! - Patrick Gillam There are printer drivers that output to PDF files instead of a printer. That way you can use almost any graphics or wordprocessor to create PDFs. These are far less expensive than buying Acrobat (I paid $25 for one). In some more recent programs may be able to export to PDF. Just do some searches. Thanks for staying legal. Software development of today's products takes large teams composed of specialists in their field and somebody has to pay for that. Without the income the software won't exist. - Bhairitu Ever heard of Linux? Historians will have two observations on 20th Century IT. The first is that someone made 67 thousand millions of pounds selling faulty goods and the other is that so many people put up with it. Don't bleed for fat cats that cause problems for others by not accepting responsibility for their goods Uns. Uns, you have a short memory ;-) I mentioned a while back I am using Linux in fact right now on Knoppix with Thunderbird as my email client. I very much think that for operating systems open source is the way to go. Microsoft is a Frankenstein monster unleashed on the world by circumstance. It needs to be broken up into about 100 companies (or maybe 1000). Even Bill Gates said in the early 1990s it might be better broken up into 3 companies. But he never did it. I would even bet that right now there is a Microsoft Linux group in Redmond. :) Open Source for apps can be good too especially if it's a niche market item where the customers who would be interested don't have the income to purchase it. However we often have to wait for a complete product from open source folks and if the folks driving the development get bored or get offered a good job (because someone noticed their work on the project) then the project falters. Pricing commercial software can be high voodoo too. You need to make a profit to survive and you need to cover your development expenses. Even then it is a crap shoot. Price it too high and your customers won't buy it and price it too low and folks won't think it's worth anything. Hmm reminds me of something else. ;-) As for bugs, your tester usually miss something that shows up as soon as you release. Therefore all first releases should be considered betas unless the program is really simple. Open betas help with the process but for some products won't be practical. And bugs aren't limited to just software. Your computer, your TV, your DVD player, camcorder, digital camera, game console, etc. all ship with bugs which required workarounds. Believe me, just because the product has a big company name on it doesn't mean the code is any better. Often there is a distance between the desires of the suits that run the company (who are often clueless about how software and hardware is developed) and the realities of the development team. - the Geek Tantrik To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Why bagpipes?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked local bagpipe maestro Tim Britton to comment on the bagpipe issue: Neat. Thanks, Rick. I'm still curious to know what kind of music they were playing on the bagpipes at the coronation ceremonies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Since then many millions of native New Yorkers as well as tourists regularly participate in this ancient tribal rite of having their kishka's burned out. Your comments are in poor taste Ken...the subject is very significant and deserves serious reflection, it's really very beautiful, and central to spirituality and Transcendental Meditation. And having a giggle in between bouts of serious reflection just destroys it completely, right, BillyG? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Patrick Gillam wrote Unity tries to live in us each day. Jeff Fischer wrote: Isn't Unity what we are, rather than something that lives in us? Isn't that what we're trying to realize? To the ignorant, unity is something trying to get out, to make itself known, to stop being ignored. Twinges of conscience are instances where I've acted as if I'm alone, separate from others, and hence separate from their pain. But the pain leaks through, and I feel it. - Patrick Gillam No problem- once a unified life is lived, our tendency to act as if alone drastically diminishes, in part becuase the seperation between us and others is not the dominant perception. Differences are there but they function more as differentiation for normal daily activity (e.g.the red traffic light means stop vs the green light means go) vs something for the ego (small self) to involve itself with. There is no further thought of differences once they have been interacted with in order to carry on daily life. Things are as they are- no more and no less. That pain leaking through is just built up impressions of separation, which dissolves quickly once a unified life is lived. Often the pain purges itself from the body; crying, vomiting, etc., when union is close at hand. Memories of pain can be felt, but there is no more karma of separation actively generated. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--Actually, I think A Course In Miracles is refering to our relationship with other humans, and the transcendence of judgement, and ego; in the Holy Instant when we realize the other and ourselves, as the same, as one. I'm not sure how to guide you in your relationships with the rats(are you sure they're not just big mice) and wasps. If you could make eye contact with one of these creatures even for an instant, perhaps there could be some 'bonding' and recognition of the desire to live, breath and be free.. Also, I found some interesting tidbits, on Unity Consciousness: Subject: 'Will' of God (vs: phi compression/compassion as ALIGN YOURSELF into ONE), Tue, 30 Nov 1999 From: James Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED], To: dan raven beth ray mary What do you think of this concept? This is what came last night after reading (reduce God to a Geometry) in one of your notes sent to me. It came in dream time. James Will of God What does the statement align or surrender to the will of God mean? Jesus said; aligned with the One are the compassionate, upon them shall be compassion. I am suggesting that the will of God is manifested as relationships to PHI. If you align your heart and body to this relationship, which has no destructive patterns inherent, then your consciousness rises to a level of being one with God. Love is a golden mansion in which the King of Eternity homes the entire family of creation. And at God's command, love is a mystic fire that can melt the grossness of the cosmos into the invisible substance of eternal Love. This from Reflections on Love, Written in 1940 by Paramahansa Yogananda. He writes in Divine Romance Just as oil is present in every part of the olive, so love permeates every part of Creation. So Love is in everything and is the energy or substance or God, but he continues in the same book in the next lines, The satisfaction of love is not in the feeling itself, but in the joy that feeling brings. Love gives joy We love love because it gives us such intoxicating happiness. So it is not the ultimate; the ultimate is bliss. God is, ever-existing, ever conscious, ever-new bliss from joy we have come, in joy we live and have our being, and in that sacred joy we will one day melt again. He continues; All The divine emotions-love, compassion, courage, self-sacrifice, humility would be meaningless without joy. Joy means exhilaration, an expression of the ultimate Bliss. Man's experience of joy originates in the brain, in the subtle center of God (amygdala) consciousness that the yogis call the thousand- petal lotus. Yet the actual feeling of this joy is experienced not in the head but in the heart. The Divine Romance by Paramahansa Yogananda The early Sufi texts states, that the Heart is the seat of God when opened, but a tomb when closed. So the key lies in the heart, the fourth chakra, awaiting you to find it and then open it. But open it to what and what is the KEY? The fourth energy center is the Heart chakra or Anahatam, which literally means 'unstruck or unbeaten' like the transcendental sound, which is constant, just as the heart beats constantly. It is located in the spinal column, directly behind the center of the chest, at the heart level. It is connected physiologically with the heart plexus of nerves. It is depicted as a twelve-petalled lotus, green in color with a six-pointed star and is inscribed with the letter ya. It is associated with creative power, unconditional love and compassion, and the ability to over come fate. In the writings of the Siddhas, anahata is said to be where one's thoughts and desires are forfilled. With its awakening, one becomes a master over the situations of life. One no longer depends upon fate to determine one's conscious will. This is from the book, Babaji and the 18 Siddha Kriya Yoga Tradition by M. Govindan, M.A. We have found over and over that when the heart opens to another or feels awe the relationships of the echo's coming from the heart are is a PHI relationship or proportion. Phi Relationships are found not only the architecture of nature, this includes man but in the fractal nature of atomic structure. The more we look in to it the more we find the fractal signature of PHI proportions in the structures of all physical and inanimate things like crystals. The mechanics of Quantum object appears to even have this relationship in their actions. The Geometry of why this might be so is easy to understand for it allows for activity beyond the speed of light, and God it if anything beyond this limitation. It states that we are made in His image and likeness. In this state (bliss), all the necessities having been attained and the ultimate aim effected, the heart becomes perfectly purified and instead of merely reflecting the spiritual light, actively manifests the same. Man, being thus consecrated or anointed by the Holy Spirit, becomes Christ, the anointed Savior. Entering the
[FairfieldLife] There is only one belief which logically combines science with theology, it's ca
There is only one belief which logically combines science with theology, it's called Christian Pantheism. There is evidence that Jesus was a Pantheist, believing God and the Universe are one in the same. To find out more, click on the following link... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Introduction_to_Christian_Pantheism/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Since then many millions of native New Yorkers as well as tourists regularly participate in this ancient tribal rite of having their kishka's burned out. Your comments are in poor taste Ken...the subject is very significant and deserves serious reflection, it's really very beautiful, and central to spirituality and Transcendental Meditation. And having a giggle in between bouts of serious reflection just destroys it completely, right, BillyG? Don't know if that's the way Ken sees it...? Was it humour, or deprecating scarcasm?? (I think the later..) BillyG. I think it was Ken's waggish humor. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This esoteric experience of burning karma is, in fact, related to a little known Jewish technique of burning your kishka's out. For those who don't know, a kishka, in one definition, simply means, intestine. A more modern interpretion relates to heartburn. Himey Yonkel says that the first known experience of having your kishka burned out was the first day Katz's Deli, on Delancey Street in Manhattan, opened. The first customer ordered a pastrami sandwich, sat down, took a bite, swallowed, his face beamed and he cried out, This is heavenly! However, about an hour later, he was walking down Broadway, near 39th Street, in the garment district, when he cried out, My kishka's are killing me then he belched and the people three deep away from him could be heard saying, It smells like pastrami around here. Since then many millions of native New Yorkers as well as tourists regularly participate in this ancient tribal rite of having their kishka's burned out. After eating Chinese take-out last night, I awoke around 3:00 AM burning my kishkas out. This fire of karma was squelched with about a dozen tums followed by a pain relieving Yonkel Yodel. Harmony returned and the nation prospered. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is only one belief which logically combines science with theology, it's ca
I think you're wrong. Jesus was a jew. ;-) --- missy_love101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is only one belief which logically combines science with theology, it's called Christian Pantheism. There is evidence that Jesus was a Pantheist, believing God and the Universe are one in the same. To find out more, click on the following link... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Introduction_to_Christian_Pantheism/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY address Nov, 1960; Lakshman Joo?
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/3/05 11:21 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning! Strong personal opinion being expresed here: I wouldn't sully Lakshman Joo's name by linking it to Muktananda who had quite the dick problem. Someone told me recently that his friend, who was Lakshman Joo's right hand man for 8 years (after leaving the TMO), told him that LJ used to hold his penis, ostensibly for some spiritual energy-raising purpose. I don't know if he did anything more than hold it. Another one bites the dust. Ahthese holy men and their dicks. It must be all the curry they eat. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Since then many millions of native New Yorkers as well as tourists regularly participate in this ancient tribal rite of having their kishka's burned out. Your comments are in poor taste Ken...the subject is very significant and deserves serious reflection, it's really very beautiful, and central to spirituality and Transcendental Meditation. And having a giggle in between bouts of serious reflection just destroys it completely, right, BillyG? Don't know if that's the way Ken sees it...? Was it humour, or deprecating scarcasm?? (I think the later..) BillyG. I think it was Ken's waggish humor. Could be...you know him better than I!! However, since he's disappeared we don't know! Perhaps, Ken is bitter against the knowledge because he's Jewish, or perhaps he just hates me, but then why take it out on knowledge and truth, why not dispute them directly?? BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
Your comments are in poor taste Ken...the subject is very significant and deserves serious reflection, it's really very beautiful, and central to spirituality and Transcendental Meditation.---so take Pepcid, eh? Why you not get you mamma a sandwich while you're inviting all your friends to nosh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:19 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
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wrote:
Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe the
wave of
energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help kickstart
creation
for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing.
He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is?
navaswan - but I have no idea of the spelling - Cardmeister?
JohnY
Can't figure out what it could be; 'nava' means either 'new' or
'nine', 'svan'(swan) means 'sound'(voice), etc.
It ain't in Monier-Williams...
Found on the web:
It is the time of day that East Indians call Navasvan (Newself);
Oh, then the second component (svan) must be a form of 'sva'
that at least I have never encountered.
1 sva (poss. refl.) one's own (often ---). m. n. one's self (in the
obl. cases also used as a pronoun, cf. {Atman}); m. f. {A} a
kinsman or relation, a man or woman of one's own caste; n. property,
wealth, riches.
Maybe its that?: RV IV.34.v5
5a aá vaajaa yaatópa na RbhukSaa mahó naro dráviNaso gRNaanaáH
a aá vaajaaH yaata úpa naH RbhukSaaHb maháH naraH dráviNasaH
gRNaanaáH
c aá vaH piitáyo .abhipitvé áhnaam imaá ástaM navasvà iva gman
c aá vaH piitáyaH abhipitvé áhnaamd imaáH ástam *navasvàH* iva gman
Come to us, Heroes, Vajas and Rbhuksans, glorified for the sake of
mighty treasure.
These draughts approach you as the day is closing, as cows, whose
calves are *newly-born*, their stable.
Acc. to Aurobindo cows are synonymous to light.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it was Ken's waggish humor. Could be...you know him better than I!! However, since he's disappeared we don't know! Perhaps, Ken is bitter against the knowledge because he's Jewish, or perhaps he just hates me, but then why take it out on knowledge and truth, why not dispute them directly?? BillyG. Oh, BillyG, don't embarrass yourself. Right, BTW, that'll be $50. bucks for that little tidbit of information on karma you didn't know about!!! I take Visa OR MasterCard, take your pick! BillyG Future knowledge upgrades, prepaid only!! Please!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--Well just let them know that your serious, which will motivate them to pray also..? - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read the quote but it didn't sink in. What do chakras and the amygdala have to do with my rat and wasp problem? I'm just kidding. I tried an experiment. I prayed to God to help get rid of the infestation so I wouldn't have to kill those fuckers. :) - Original Message - From: Robert Gimbel To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits) --Actually, I think A Course In Miracles is refering to our relationship with other humans, and the transcendence of judgement, and ego; in the Holy Instant when we realize the other and ourselves, as the same, as one. I'm not sure how to guide you in your relationships with the rats (are you sure they're not just big mice) and wasps. If you could make eye contact with one of these creatures even for an instant, perhaps there could be some 'bonding' and recognition of the desire to live, breath and be free.. Also, I found some interesting tidbits, on Unity Consciousness: Subject: 'Will' of God (vs: phi compression/compassion as ALIGN YOURSELF into ONE), Tue, 30 Nov 1999 From: James Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED], To: dan raven beth ray mary What do you think of this concept? This is what came last night after reading (reduce God to a Geometry) in one of your notes sent to me. It came in dream time. James Will of God What does the statement align or surrender to the will of God mean? Jesus said; aligned with the One are the compassionate, upon them shall be compassion. I am suggesting that the will of God is manifested as relationships to PHI. If you align your heart and body to this relationship, which has no destructive patterns inherent, then your consciousness rises to a level of being one with God. Love is a golden mansion in which the King of Eternity homes the entire family of creation. And at God's command, love is a mystic fire that can melt the grossness of the cosmos into the invisible substance of eternal Love. This from Reflections on Love, Written in 1940 by Paramahansa Yogananda. He writes in Divine Romance Just as oil is present in every part of the olive, so love permeates every part of Creation. So Love is in everything and is the energy or substance or God, but he continues in the same book in the next lines, The satisfaction of love is not in the feeling itself, but in the joy that feeling brings. Love gives joy We love love because it gives us such intoxicating happiness. So it is not the ultimate; the ultimate is bliss. God is, ever-existing, ever conscious, ever-new bliss from joy we have come, in joy we live and have our being, and in that sacred joy we will one day melt again. He continues; All The divine emotions- love, compassion, courage, self-sacrifice, humility would be meaningless without joy. Joy means exhilaration, an expression of the ultimate Bliss. Man's experience of joy originates in the brain, in the subtle center of God (amygdala) consciousness that the yogis call the thousand- petal lotus. Yet the actual feeling of this joy is experienced not in the head but in the heart. The Divine Romance by Paramahansa Yogananda The early Sufi texts states, that the Heart is the seat of God when opened, but a tomb when closed. So the key lies in the heart, the fourth chakra, awaiting you to find it and then open it. But open it to what and what is the KEY? The fourth energy center is the Heart chakra or Anahatam, which literally means 'unstruck or unbeaten' like the transcendental sound, which is constant, just as the heart beats constantly. It is located in the spinal column, directly behind the center of the chest, at the heart level. It is connected physiologically with the heart plexus of nerves. It is depicted as a twelve-petalled lotus, green in color with a six-pointed star and is inscribed with the letter ya. It is associated with creative power, unconditional love and compassion, and the ability to over come fate. In the writings of the Siddhas, anahata is said to be where one's thoughts and desires are forfilled. With its awakening, one becomes a master over the situations of life. One no longer depends upon fate to determine one's conscious will. This is from the book, Babaji and the 18 Siddha Kriya Yoga Tradition by M. Govindan, M.A. We have found over and over that when the heart opens to another or feels awe the relationships of the echo's coming from the heart are is a PHI relationship or proportion. Phi Relationships are found not only the architecture of nature, this includes man but in the fractal nature of atomic structure. The more we
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
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On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:19 AM, cardemaister wrote:
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Friend of mine wants to know the term used to describe
the
wave of
energy that travels just ahead of sunrise to help
kickstart
creation
for the day. It's 'nederswam,' or some such thing.
He thinks it may be Sanskrit. Any idea what the term is?
navaswan - but I have no idea of the spelling -
Cardmeister?
JohnY
Can't figure out what it could be; 'nava' means
either 'new' or
'nine', 'svan'(swan) means 'sound'(voice), etc.
It ain't in Monier-Williams...
Found on the web:
It is the time of day that East Indians call Navasvan
(Newself);
Oh, then the second component (svan) must be a form of 'sva'
that at least I have never encountered.
1 sva (poss. refl.) one's own (often ---). m. n. one's self (in
the
obl. cases also used as a pronoun, cf. {Atman}); m. f. {A} a
kinsman or relation, a man or woman of one's own caste; n.
property,
wealth, riches.
Maybe its that?: RV IV.34.v5
5a aá vaajaa yaatópa na RbhukSaa mahó naro dráviNaso gRNaanaáH
a aá vaajaaH yaata úpa naH RbhukSaaHb maháH naraH dráviNasaH
gRNaanaáH
c aá vaH piitáyo .abhipitvé áhnaam imaá ástaM navasvà iva gman
c aá vaH piitáyaH abhipitvé áhnaamd imaáH ástam *navasvàH*
Yeah, I found that too. That might be the only occurrence
of that word in RV. Where did you find the pada-paaTha, or
is it your own rendering? Someone *might* have read 'navasvaH'
a bit incorrectly, as 'navasvaN'(or 'navasvah' as 'navasvan').
Or, then again, it might be an intentional misreading, because
'navaswan' sounds better...
iva gman
Come to us, Heroes, Vajas and Rbhuksans, glorified for the sake of
mighty treasure.
These draughts approach you as the day is closing, as cows, whose
calves are *newly-born*, their stable.
Acc. to Aurobindo cows are synonymous to light.
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[FairfieldLife] Sid Harth quotes Dr.Ambedkar
http://forumhub.com/indhistory/26352.18617.16.56.40.html "The Brahmins claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form) to study and understand the difficulties of mankind. Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate Himself?? Can he not understand the creation? Why should God become a donkey or a cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures?" - Sid Harth. "BEEF EATING RAMA: When God Rama was told to go to forest, he mournfully revealed to is mother: "if has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the princely comforts and the tasty, MEAT DISHES. (Ayodha Kandam, 20, 26, 94th Chapters)." - Sid Harth. "RAMA'S MANY WIVES: Mr. C.R. Sreenivasa lyengar's translation of Valmiki Ramayana says: " Though Rama had married Sita to be the queen, he married many other wives for sexual pleasure in accordance with the royal customs. (Ayodha Kandam 8th Chapter, page 28). (The term "Rama's wives" as been used in many places in Ramayan).- Sid Harth. "RAMA'S DISRESPECT FOR HIS FATHER: Rama called his father " A FOOL, AN IDIOT" (Ayodhya Kandam, 53rd Chapter)" - Sid Harth. Please visit www.ambedkar.org for more on this issue. Please visit thread No.20552 in www.sysindia.com archives. Some more on this issue: I quote first Dr. B.R. Ambedkar: "Valmiki has very minutely described* [f79] the daily life of Rama after he became King. According to that account the day was divided into two parts. Up to forenoon and afternoon. From morning to forenoon he was engaged in performing religious rites and ceremonies and offering devotion. The afternoon he spent alternately in the company of Court jesters and in the Zenana. When he got tired of the Zenana he joined the company of jesters and when he got tired of jesters he went back to the Zenana*[f80]. Valmiki also gives a detailed description of how Rama spent his life in the Zenana. This Zenana was housed in a park called Ashoka Vana. There Rama, used to take his meal. The food according to Valmiki consisted of all kinds of delicious viands. They included flesh and fruits and liquor. Rama was not a teetotaler. He drank liquor copiously and Valmiki records that Rama saw to it that Sita joined with him in his drinking bouts*[f81]. From the description of the Zenana of Rama as given by Valmiki it was by no means a mean thing. There were Apsaras, Uraga and Kinnari accomplished in dancing and singing. There were other beautiful women brought from different parts. Rama sat in the midst of these women drinking and dancing. They pleased Rama and Rama garlanded them. Valmiki calls Rama as a 'Prince among women's men '. This was not a day's affair. It was a regular course of his life." - Dr. B. R. Ambedkar - Riddles of Rama and Krishna. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it was Ken's waggish humor. Could be...you know him better than I!! However, since he's disappeared we don't know! Perhaps, Ken is bitter against the knowledge because he's Jewish, or perhaps he just hates me, but then why take it out on knowledge and truth, why not dispute them directly?? BillyG. Oh, BillyG, don't embarrass yourself. Right, BTW, that'll be $50. bucks for that little tidbit of information on karma you didn't know about!!! I take Visa OR MasterCard, take your pick! BillyG Future knowledge upgrades, prepaid only!! Please!! Your $50.00 charge reminds of a little prank I wanted to play on one of those internet scam artists...but I found out I was too cheap to do it. As I'm sure 100% of the readers of this forum have gotten the same letters as me from those scam artists in Africa -- mostly from Nigeria -- you'll all know what I am referring to: you get an unsolicited email asking you to be an intermediary for a charity organisation in their country and could you please cash a check for them for a donation? And for your trouble you can keep 10% of the proceeds. The idea is they have one of their cohorts actually mail you a check, you deposit it in the bank and then before it has a chance to clear they convince you because of the urgent need of the charity that you are to please send them by international money order the funds. So, I strung along one of the scam artists making them believe I would co-operate and they emailed me back saying they were having a donator send me a check for $3,500 of which I could keep 10%. I would therefore be expected to send them $3, 150 and keep $350 for my troubles. My brilliant idea? To actually send them an international money order...not for $3,150 but for $3.15! I thought that would send them into a frenzy and stir up all sorts of shit. But I didn't do it because it would have cost $20.00 for the money order with Western Union and although I was willing to have a giggle for $3.15 and maybe an extra $5.00 I wasn't going to pay $23.15... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *That pain leaking through is just built up impressions of separation, which dissolves quickly once a unified life is lived* I believe when we have healed ourselves to this extent, then we become healing to anyone we have contact with, in that the latent impressions of pain and seperation, which can still be recognized in other's, helps to dissolve the same, and hence, the miracle of the healing power of unity. That would be great. I do find that my interpersonal relationships have all improved immeasurably. No more stories. As to whether or not I am 'healing' others, gee I just don't know about that, although I agree about the perception of pain, etc. in others, since we no longer carry it in ourselves. Regarding miracles, it is pretty miraculous to do or not do just about anything. It's that 'appreciation' thing Tom T and Barry were talking about earlier... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it was Ken's waggish humor. Could be...you know him better than I!! However, since he's disappeared we don't know! Perhaps, Ken is bitter against the knowledge because he's Jewish, or perhaps he just hates me, but then why take it out on knowledge and truth, why not dispute them directly?? BillyG. Oh, BillyG, don't embarrass yourself. Right, BTW, that'll be $50. bucks for that little tidbit of information on karma you didn't know about!!! I take Visa OR MasterCard, take your pick! BillyG Future knowledge upgrades, prepaid only!! Please!! Your $50.00 charge reminds of a little prank I wanted to play on one of those internet scam artists...but I found out I was too cheap to do it. As I'm sure 100% of the readers of this forum have gotten the same letters as me from those scam artists in Africa -- mostly from Nigeria -- you'll all know what I am referring to: you get an unsolicited email asking you to be an intermediary for a charity organisation in their country and could you please cash a check for them for a donation? And for your trouble you can keep 10% of the proceeds. The idea is they have one of their cohorts actually mail you a check, you deposit it in the bank and then before it has a chance to clear they convince you because of the urgent need of the charity that you are to please send them by international money order the funds. So, I strung along one of the scam artists making them believe I would co-operate and they emailed me back saying they were having a donator send me a check for $3,500 of which I could keep 10%. I would therefore be expected to send them $3, 150 and keep $350 for my troubles. My brilliant idea? To actually send them an international money order...not for $3,150 but for $3.15! I thought that would send them into a frenzy and stir up all sorts of shit. But I didn't do it because it would have cost $20.00 for the money order with Western Union and although I was willing to have a giggle for $3.15 and maybe an extra $5.00 I wasn't going to pay $23.15... Yeah, and not only that, but you have to actually be in contact with such low-life, and God knows where that would end up! I use to get those stupid emails too, gads. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it was Ken's waggish humor. Could be...you know him better than I!! However, since he's disappeared we don't know! Perhaps, Ken is bitter against the knowledge because he's Jewish, or perhaps he just hates me, but then why take it out on knowledge and truth, why not dispute them directly?? BillyG. Oh, BillyG, don't embarrass yourself. Right, BTW, that'll be $50. bucks for that little tidbit of information on karma you didn't know about!!! I take Visa OR MasterCard, take your pick! BillyG Future knowledge upgrades, prepaid only!! Please!! Your $50.00 charge reminds of a little prank I wanted to play on one of those internet scam artists...but I found out I was too cheap to do it. As I'm sure 100% of the readers of this forum have gotten the same letters as me from those scam artists in Africa -- mostly from Nigeria -- you'll all know what I am referring to: you get an unsolicited email asking you to be an intermediary for a charity organisation in their country and could you please cash a check for them for a donation? And for your trouble you can keep 10% of the proceeds. The idea is they have one of their cohorts actually mail you a check, you deposit it in the bank and then before it has a chance to clear they convince you because of the urgent need of the charity that you are to please send them by international money order the funds. So, I strung along one of the scam artists making them believe I would co-operate and they emailed me back saying they were having a donator send me a check for $3,500 of which I could keep 10%. I would therefore be expected to send them $3, 150 and keep $350 for my troubles. My brilliant idea? To actually send them an international money order...not for $3,150 but for $3.15! I thought that would send them into a frenzy and stir up all sorts of shit. But I didn't do it because it would have cost $20.00 for the money order with Western Union and although I was willing to have a giggle for $3.15 and maybe an extra $5.00 I wasn't going to pay $23.15... Yeah, and not only that, but you have to actually be in contact with such low-life, and God knows where that would end up! I use to get those stupid emails too, gads. Apropos of this discussion, I have had two clients (both seniors) over the past two months who have been scammed by phone. The first was by a caller was from Spain who convinced her to send her over $200,000 in some sort of lottery scam, which she did. The second lost about $3,500 in the same sort of thing where she was asked to send the money to pay the taxes on a lottery win. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it was Ken's waggish humor. Could be...you know him better than I!! However, since he's disappeared we don't know! Perhaps, Ken is bitter against the knowledge because he's Jewish, or perhaps he just hates me, but then why take it out on knowledge and truth, why not dispute them directly?? BillyG. Oh, BillyG, don't embarrass yourself. Right, BTW, that'll be $50. bucks for that little tidbit of information on karma you didn't know about!!! I take Visa OR MasterCard, take your pick! BillyG Future knowledge upgrades, prepaid only!! Please!! Your $50.00 charge reminds of a little prank I wanted to play on one of those internet scam artists...but I found out I was too cheap to do it. As I'm sure 100% of the readers of this forum have gotten the same letters as me from those scam artists in Africa -- mostly from Nigeria -- you'll all know what I am referring to: you get an unsolicited email asking you to be an intermediary for a charity organisation in their country and could you please cash a check for them for a donation? And for your trouble you can keep 10% of the proceeds. The idea is they have one of their cohorts actually mail you a check, you deposit it in the bank and then before it has a chance to clear they convince you because of the urgent need of the charity that you are to please send them by international money order the funds. So, I strung along one of the scam artists making them believe I would co-operate and they emailed me back saying they were having a donator send me a check for $3,500 of which I could keep 10%. I would therefore be expected to send them $3, 150 and keep $350 for my troubles. My brilliant idea? To actually send them an international money order...not for $3,150 but for $3.15! I thought that would send them into a frenzy and stir up all sorts of shit. But I didn't do it because it would have cost $20.00 for the money order with Western Union and although I was willing to have a giggle for $3.15 and maybe an extra $5.00 I wasn't going to pay $23.15... Yeah, and not only that, but you have to actually be in contact with such low-life, and God knows where that would end up! I use to get those stupid emails too, gads. Apropos of this discussion, I have had two clients (both seniors) over the past two months who have been scammed by phone. The first was by a caller was from Spain who convinced her to send her over $200,000 in some sort of lottery scam, which she did. The second lost about $3,500 in the same sort of thing where she was asked to send the money to pay the taxes on a lottery win. How sad, BTW, are you getting anywhere with JS?...nyuk! Yu crazy guy yu!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it was Ken's waggish humor. Could be...you know him better than I!! However, since he's disappeared we don't know! Perhaps, Ken is bitter against the knowledge because he's Jewish, or perhaps he just hates me, but then why take it out on knowledge and truth, why not dispute them directly?? BillyG. Oh, BillyG, don't embarrass yourself. Right, BTW, that'll be $50. bucks for that little tidbit of information on karma you didn't know about!!! I take Visa OR MasterCard, take your pick! BillyG Future knowledge upgrades, prepaid only!! Please!! Your $50.00 charge reminds of a little prank I wanted to play on one of those internet scam artists...but I found out I was too cheap to do it. As I'm sure 100% of the readers of this forum have gotten the same letters as me from those scam artists in Africa -- mostly from Nigeria -- you'll all know what I am referring to: you get an unsolicited email asking you to be an intermediary for a charity organisation in their country and could you please cash a check for them for a donation? And for your trouble you can keep 10% of the proceeds. The idea is they have one of their cohorts actually mail you a check, you deposit it in the bank and then before it has a chance to clear they convince you because of the urgent need of the charity that you are to please send them by international money order the funds. So, I strung along one of the scam artists making them believe I would co-operate and they emailed me back saying they were having a donator send me a check for $3,500 of which I could keep 10%. I would therefore be expected to send them $3, 150 and keep $350 for my troubles. My brilliant idea? To actually send them an international money order...not for $3,150 but for $3.15! I thought that would send them into a frenzy and stir up all sorts of shit. But I didn't do it because it would have cost $20.00 for the money order with Western Union and although I was willing to have a giggle for $3.15 and maybe an extra $5.00 I wasn't going to pay $23.15... Yeah, and not only that, but you have to actually be in contact with such low-life, and God knows where that would end up! I use to get those stupid emails too, gads. Apropos of this discussion, I have had two clients (both seniors) over the past two months who have been scammed by phone. The first was by a caller was from Spain who convinced her to send her over $200,000 in some sort of lottery scam, which she did. The second lost about $3,500 in the same sort of thing where she was asked to send the money to pay the taxes on a lottery win. How sad, BTW, are you getting anywhere with JS?...nyuk! Yu crazy guy yu!! Completely nowhere. She has won. I am totally defeated. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Does anyone else find this sentence funny?
Is that Maharishi heaven Mama? - Original Message - From: shempmcgurk To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Does anyone else find this sentence funny? The following is from a website promoting a Florida developer of Vashtu-designed buildings and the website is found at http://www.mandalaclub.com/page/page/1505387.htmDoes anyone else find this very first sentence of the home page hilarious...or is it just me?"Located on Florida's east coast in the charming town of Vero Beach, Mandala Club is a community of 90 homes designed to promote the health and wellbeing of those fortunate enough to live there." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY address Nov, 1960; Lakshman Joo?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/3/05 11:21 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning! Strong personal opinion being expresed here: I wouldn't sully Lakshman Joo's name by linking it to Muktananda who had quite the dick problem. Someone told me recently that his friend, who was Lakshman Joo's right hand man for 8 years (after leaving the TMO), told him that LJ used to hold his penis, ostensibly for some spiritual energy-raising purpose. I don't know if he did anything more than hold it. Another one bites the dust. Like I said, gullible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY address Nov, 1960; Lakshman Joo?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:57 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: Could you please elaborate on what in TM resembles and contains parts of Lakshman Joo's teachings? I am curious because I have heard that Lakshman Joo's tradition is Kashmir Shaivism which is the one from which Muktananda comes from, someone whom I've always been fascinated to read... I was thinking primarily of the gap, the sandhi in mantra yoga, breath, etc. It is said that Mahesh begged Lakshman Joo for the Vijnana-Bhairava techniques. Who is saying this? I wonder if Lakshman Joo held M.'s penis? I have pictures of them sitting together...I'll have to check the hands... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits
on 8/3/05 1:23 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got the feeling that what Rick was referring to was the idea of women as equals. In my experience, Maharishi always treated the women around him as decoration, or as something you put up on a pedestal and revere, as opposed to actually relating to. And he often decorated them. It was common for him to buy jewelry and saris for Mother Divine ladies. Expensive ones for the higher-ups, but even my wife got some nice stuff while on MD. I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing. Ladies like stuff like that and it gave them some relative happiness, which they may have been missing. I don't know the answer to this question, because I haven't been in touch with the TMO for so long, but among all the scientists invited to speak and lend their caveat to the TMO and help sell its products, has there ever been a woman scientist? Has any woman who is considered a leader in her field ever been invited to speak at TM-sponsored symposia? Has any woman ever been involved in the groups that do the strategic planning with Maharishi? I never saw any. Suzie Dillbeck did plenty. Also Rhoda Orme-Johnson and other ladies with academic qualifications spoke at conferences if they were qualified to speak. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Themes of TMO...
on 8/3/05 5:05 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As M said to a friend of mine when he sent him away from Vlodrop, You have become too independent and I can't stand it. This was in public, right? I believe it was a private discussion. He said it was quite an emotional moment for both of them, as he and Maharishi were both very fond of each other, but he was indeed getting independent in his thinking, and it was time to go. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone else find this sentence funny?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is from a website promoting a Florida developer of Vashtu-designed buildings and the website is found at http://www.mandalaclub.com/page/page/1505387.htm Does anyone else find this very first sentence of the home page hilarious...or is it just me? Located on Florida's east coast in the charming town of Vero Beach, Mandala Club is a community of 90 homes designed to promote the health and wellbeing of those fortunate enough to live there. Prison. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Themes of TMO...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/3/05 5:05 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As M said to a friend of mine when he sent him away from Vlodrop, You have become too independent and I can't stand it. This was in public, right? I believe it was a private discussion. He said it was quite an emotional moment for both of them, as he and Maharishi were both very fond of each other, but he was indeed getting independent in his thinking, and it was time to go. Not quite the same thing as above, though... Your ideas don't fit in with the way I'm taking the organization isn't the same as you have become too independent and I can't stand it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] AAA Magazine article features Vedic City
link to a AAA Living Magazine article: Iowa Shangri-la http://www.autoclubgroup.com/mnia/travel/aaaliving/article.aspx?articleId=226 Vedic City featured in Triple-AAA of Iowa magazine this month To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeesh. I will refrain from attempting humor on FFLife in the future. I thought I was funny but what do I know? If you ever ate at Katz's you'd understand the joke and seeing the term burning out your karma reminded me of hearing my mom/dad/grandparents who spoke Yiddish, say, hundreds of times, my kishka's are killing me (indigestion). Double yeesh to you bill. Sorry you didn't feel, (even now) my post was worthy of any substantive reply, but that's OK. I'm not about to hold a petty grudge, maybe I have offended you in the past, for which I apologize...was it that Hinjew joke I told?? Just kiddin' Ken, you're the best. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --'A Course in Miracles', claims that unity, is the basis of miracles, and that any 'healing' occurs when 'Unity' is experienced; by definition, this experience of unity, mentioned in the Course, happens when the ego is transcended, when the 'body' and thoughts of seperation, cease, and spirit cognizes spirit. atma cognizes Atma. So I will be healed when I kill the rats and wasps? Or they will be healed? Or I should just make reallly really good friends with them. Invite them in, set places at the table and even keep a few of each in my pockets? Sometimes we can make telepathic contact with animals (including insects) and let them know our wishes; sometimes they will even listen to us and cooperate! Try reading J. Allen Boone's Kinship with all Life, and/or Machaelle Small Wright's Behaving as if the God in All Life Mattered for nice examples of interspecies communion and cooperation. And sometimes we just gotta kill 'em. But it never hurts to try the other route first -- as mentioned, sometimes it works :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: AAA Magazine article features Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: link to a AAA Living Magazine article: Iowa Shangri-la http://www.autoclubgroup.com/mnia/travel/aaaliving/article.aspx? articleId=226 Vedic City featured in Triple-AAA of Iowa magazine this month That State has always been desperate for money (taxes), AND people I might add, (they were losing population at one point, don't know about now). I'm sure it will be inundated with tourists from all over the World.looking for the profound wisdom of the Vedas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Themes of TMO...
on 8/3/05 5:46 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not quite the same thing as above, though... Your ideas don't fit in with the way I'm taking the organization isn't the same as you have become too independent and I can't stand it. That was the way my friend quoted him, but my assumption is that the meaning was more along the lines of your first sentence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
Billy We were friends or at least friendly when I was in Studio City and you, me and Jack shared the activities at the little Studio City Center. I was very suprised, I guess about a year ago, when you made a really nasty anti-Semitic remark here on FFLife. I hadn't had that kind of comment made at/to me since I was in high school and I definitely remember the effect your comment had on me. It was not a Hinjew joke. I lived in an Orthodox neighborhood in Manhattan a couple of years ago for a couple of years and the people I got to know and who knew I meditated called me a Hinjew, it's apparently a common term. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeesh. I will refrain from attempting humor on FFLife in the future. I thought I was funny but what do I know? If you ever ate at Katz's you'd understand the joke and seeing the term burning out your karma reminded me of hearing my mom/dad/grandparents who spoke Yiddish, say, hundreds of times, my kishka's are killing me (indigestion). Double yeesh to you bill. Sorry you didn't feel, (even now) my post was worthy of any substantive reply, but that's OK. I'm not about to hold a petty grudge, maybe I have offended you in the past, for which I apologize...was it that Hinjew joke I told?? Just kiddin' Ken, you're the best. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit (?) term sought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone *might* have read 'navasvaH' a bit incorrectly, as 'navasvaN'(or 'navasvah' as 'navasvan'). Or, then again, it might be an intentional misreading, because 'navaswan' sounds better... Maybe it's a dialect. The book mentioned it to be east-Indian. However you pronounce it, it's a cool time of day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
