[FairfieldLife] Hollywood Producer David Lynch t speak at Yale regarding TM, admission free
Celebrated Film Director David Lynch at Yale on September 30 to Speak on Consciousness, Creativity, and the Brain To Launch New Foundation to Help Students Overcome Stress through Transcendental Meditation Award-winning director David Lynch (Elephant Man, Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks, Mulholland Drive) will speak at Yale on Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain on Friday, September 30, at 7:30 p.m. Lynch's talk will be held at the Battell Chapel (Elm and College streets). The talk is free and open to the public. Lynch, who is in the midst of directing his new film, Inland Empire, will speak and answer questions on his films. He will also launch the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace-a nonprofit organization dedicated to bringing the benefits of stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation to students (www.davidlynchfoundation.org). Lynch's foundation recently partnered with other foundations in an unprecedented $1.2 million research grant to study the effects of meditation on brain functioning, academic performance, learning disorders, anxiety, depression, and substance abuse among students in nine schools and colleges. The celebrated yet reclusive film maker admits to his aversion to public speaking, but said he is coming to Yale to highlight the need for students to overcome the epidemic of stress that pervades colleges and schools. Students experience fear, anxiety, depression-their life is not what it should be. I know from my own 30 years of experience that meditation can work. I am coming to Yale to tell students that my foundation is available to help them develop their consciousness, creativity, and brain through Transcendental Meditation, Lynch said. Lynch will be joined at the talk by quantum physicist Dr. John Hagelin, who was recently featured in the hit documentary What the Bleep Do We Know? and neuroscientist Dr. Fred Travis, director of the Center for Brain, Consciousness and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management. Lynch's talk is sponsored by the Yale Film Studies Program, Cinema at the Whitney, The Yale Film Society, and the University Chaplain's Office. For more information, please call 203-436-4668. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Balanced Views?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a Guardian article that points out the very real possibility that many (if not all) the reports of murders, rapes and armed gangs were created by rumor and a press craving disaster in alll its flavors. I also find it interesting that even the Mayor is claiming 10,000 dead, but so far only a few hundred bodies have been found. The articles on bodies all say things like, Just wait until all the waters recede - then the bodies will show up. But bodies float for days after death. They don't sink. Most people were rescued from rooftops, not water. Many couldn't get onto the roof from their attics. My projection from early on has been 10,000 to 100,000 dead. I seem to be in the ballpark: http://www.t-g.com/story/1116806.html Funeral director deploys to hurricane region Tuesday, September 6, 2005 By Clint Confehr A co-owner of Shelbyville-based Gowen-Smith Chapel has been deployed to Gulfport, Miss., to help with recovery since Hurricane Katrina, and his business partner here has described the grim task there. DMort is telling us to expect up to 40,000 bodies, Dan Buckner said, quoting officials with the Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team, a volunteer arm of Homeland Security. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Balanced Views?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a Guardian article that points out the very real possibility that many (if not all) the reports of murders, rapes and armed gangs were created by rumor and a press craving disaster in alll its flavors. The idea that they may never have happened because nobody has come forward to substantiate them is itself pretty dubious. These people were likely too busy trying to stay alive, and then attempting to get out of the city, to track down a policeman, if they could even have found one who had the time to take their report. The police force in New Orleans is in significant disarray at the moment. A lot of them have apparently walked off the job, because the stress was too great, or they needed to see to the safety of their own families. Some apparently drowned in the flood in their homes. Morale is rock-bottom. Two officers have committed suicide. They may not be feeling like confirming anything that they could be blamed for. I saw a segment on CNN this evening in which a woman who had been in the Superdome for four days gave an account of being terrorized at night--in the pitch black--by gangs of young men. And it's not clear when the Guardian looked for bodies in the Convention Center, or where. Some of the bodies have been removed, but one reporter was allowed to look in the cooler, or what would have been a cooler if there had been power, where some 30 bodies had been stashed because the door could be closed on them to contain the stench. I also find it interesting that even the Mayor is claiming 10,000 dead, but so far only a few hundred bodies have been found. The articles on bodies all say things like, Just wait until all the waters recede - then the bodies will show up. But bodies float for days after death. They don't sink. I think they're referring to the bodies of people trapped and drowned in the houses that are still under water. And it's not that only a few hundred bodies have been *found*; it's that only a few hundred bodies have been found, taken to the morgue, and *counted*. Let's hope the mayor is wrong, but we really have no way of knowing yet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as we enter the domain of devas we've got problems Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs in the air as a myth until it can be quantified. And we are very far from that right now! But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages than those in homes with entrances facing in other directions. I think two things are confounded here. There are the empirical findings that correlate south facing entranced homes with greater diseases, deaths, etc., compared to north facing entranced homes. These are empirical facts if the research is done right. Then there are the explanatory concepts that either link the empirical findings back into known science or a new explanatory construct is created (such as in the 1% stuff) because it is the best and only way to explain the findings. I'm not sure how you think I confounded these two. You said it was a myth until it could be quantified; I was pointing out that the myth itself was a means of quantification in that it could be used to generate testable hypotheses; studies to test the hypotheses would then generate data, empirical facts. You now appear to be referring to a later stage of the process, one I wasn't addressing at all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying your status as an Awakened One validates your perception that 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina were engineered by our government? *lol* No. To anyone believing themselves unAwakened, my so- called status as an Awakened One validates exactly nothing -- other than my obvious irrationality. Well, that's not quite true -- I am validating the Me inside of You, and the You inside of Me, but if you are denying the former, you will probably be denying the latter, and vice versa, for they are the same. Yeah, well, that also means 9/11 and Katrina and our government are also inside you, so why couldn't you have a perception of them? Many are documenting and validating the deeper details of 9/11, to my satisfaction at least. Mmm. I'd say you're easily satisfied. My own suspicion (not that you asked) is that a lot of these deeper details are deliberate disinformation, sexy conspiracy stuff planted to lure attention away from the pursuit of facts that are actually much closer to the surface, much more banal and mundane, but no less evil--just less titillating: incompetence, indifference, hubris, and CYA. And quite possibly subsequent exploitation for personal and political benefit. The conspiracy theories, I think, are political pornography. People get addicted to them because they're exciting and mysterious; and they suck up energy that could be used much more constructively. It's in the interests of the real villains to keep folks chasing after sinister-looking shadows. I have no idea really whether Hurricane Katrina was similarly engineered by *portions of* our government -- I am simply noting that the means were probably available (to some at least), the motive appears to be moving in the same pattern as that of 9/11, and as in 9/11, asking the question Cui bono? -- who benefits? -- may well provide a clue into who is preparing to benefit from the opportunities inherent in this latest problem - reaction - solution scenario. This strikes me as post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Did I let my child wander out in the street so that I could collect a huge judgment from the drunken driver who struck her and disabled her for life? (Hypothetical.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then again, had I written a sychophantic gilded haliography, it would have cornered a niche market, even the TM movement would have stocked it and I'd be sailing! That would be a great name for a rock band: the Sychophantic Gilded Haliography. Edited version: Sycophantic Gilded Hagiography. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages than those in homes with entrances facing in other directions. Yes but... You can do research that shows a correlation between factors, and even gives an indication of which factors may be causal. This is important preliminary research. But, when faced with overwhelming opposition to your ideas due to their not fitting with mainstream paradigms, you need to follow up this research with studies that demonstrate the actual causal mechanisms for the results being observed. I'm not sure you can actually *demonstrate* causal mechanisms. Rather, you make causal *assumptions* to a greater or lesser confidence level, no? At this time, no one has a clue how to study the causal relationship between devas that can't be seen and anything else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip it can cause confusion. He even says this is the meaning of Jesus's comment I am the ONLY way Minor quibble: I don't believe Jesus is recorded as having said this, but rather just I am the way. It's subsequent Christian teaching that derives ONLY from that assertion. Otherwise, nice post... I am the way, the truth and the light. No-one comes to the Father save by me (Me). Oh, hmm, you're right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was not (intending to) imply that the poor in NO have it easy. Though I understand it could have come across that way, as smug. So I would have been better off, deep-sixing my witty ending. Te absolvo... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/6/05 10:13 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. I agree. References to Big Easy life was perhaps a low cost shot. Not quite a cheap shot. But not not quite fitting to the circumstances. But my main point was that many are not wanting to go to Utah, and prefering the shelters to that (as bad as the shleters are.) And hence I questioned the attractiveness of FF for them. (I would pick Utah over FF :) ) I saw some on the news tonight who are still living on a bridge near their neighborhood and refusing to be moved to a military hospital ship which would be very comfortable. There are others in the Astrodome who refuse to move to a cruise ship in which they'd have their own cabin, private bathroom, great food, etc. Heck, I felt like going down for that. I understand that the folks in the Astrodome who didn't want to move to the cruise ship were elderly folk who had managed by dint of great effort to get the data for their new location into the system, so they could get their Social Security checks and so on. They were afraid if they were moved again, it would be impossible to get it straightened out. FWIW... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New name for FEMA
(HNS) - The Department of Homeland Security has taken the first step to deflect criticism of its handling of Hurricane Katrina. FEMA has been renamed in an effort to streamline the agency even more than it's already been streamlined. The newly-named Federal Unified Bureau of Active Response will be the central clearing house for federal response to emergencies and attacks. DHS director Michael Chertoff says the new name properly reflects the agency's ability to handle current and future serious, widespread or even mild disasters. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages than those in homes with entrances facing in other directions. Yes but... You can do research that shows a correlation between factors, and even gives an indication of which factors may be causal. This is important preliminary research. But, when faced with overwhelming opposition to your ideas due to their not fitting with mainstream paradigms, you need to follow up this research with studies that demonstrate the actual causal mechanisms for the results being observed. I'm not sure you can actually *demonstrate* causal mechanisms. Rather, you make causal *assumptions* to a greater or lesser confidence level, no? Its all mythical. There's no such thing as scientific explanation in the logical/legal sense of the word. Scientists talk about underlying mechanisms because its convenient and makes it easier to deal with things, but just as someone who is fully enlightened is supposed to perceive the world without intellectual analysis getting inthe way, scientific reality is assumed to be unknowable. The best you can hope for is that your stories (theories) about the world have some relationship to reality. The working assumption is merely that your predictions won't prove incorrect. THEN you're supposed to try to knock holes in your own assumption. At this time, no one has a clue how to study the causal relationship between devas that can't be seen and anything else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fire Crews Enlisted for FEMA PR
Article Last Updated: 9/06/2005 02:04 AM Frustrated: Fire crews to hand out fliers for FEMA By Lisa Rosetta The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake Tribune ATLANTA - Not long after some 1,000 firefighters sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: What are we doing here? As New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded on national television for firefighters - his own are exhausted after working around the clock for a week - a battalion of highly trained men and women sat idle Sunday in a muggy Sheraton Hotel conference room in Atlanta. Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers. Instead, they have learned they are going to be community- relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA. On Monday, some firefighters stuck in the staging area at the Sheraton peeled off their FEMA-issued shirts and stuffed them in backpacks, saying they refuse to represent the federal agency. Federal officials are unapologetic. I would go back and ask the firefighter to revisit his commitment to FEMA, to firefighting and to the citizens of this country, said FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak. The firefighters - or at least the fire chiefs who assigned them to come to Atlanta - knew what the assignment would be, Hudak said. The initial call to action very specifically says we're looking for two-person fire teams to do community relations, she said. So if there is a breakdown [in communication], it was likely in their own departments. One fire chief from Texas agreed that the call was clear to work as community-relations officers. But he wonders why the 1,400 firefighters FEMA attracted to Atlanta aren't being put to better use. He also questioned why the U.S. Department of Homeland Security - of which FEMA is a part - has not responded better to the disaster. The firefighters, several of whom are from Utah, were told to bring backpacks, sleeping bags, first-aid kits and Meals Ready to Eat. They were told to prepare for austere conditions. Many of them came with awkward fire gear and expected to wade in floodwaters, sift through rubble and save lives. They've got people here who are search-and-rescue certified, paramedics, haz-mat certified, said a Texas firefighter. We're sitting in here having a sexual-harassment class while there are still [victims] in Louisiana who haven't been contacted yet. The firefighter, who has encouraged his superiors back home not to send any more volunteers for now, declined to give his name because FEMA has warned them not to talk to reporters. On Monday, two firefighters from South Jordan and two from Layton headed for San Antonio to help hurricane evacuees there. Four firefighters from Roy awaited their marching orders, crossing their fingers that they would get to do rescue and recovery work, rather than paperwork. A lot of people are bickering because there are rumors they'll just be handing out fliers, said Roy firefighter Logan Layne, adding that his squad hopes to be in the thick of the action. But we'll do anything. We'll do whatever they need us to do. While FEMA's community-relations job may be an important one - displaced hurricane victims need basic services and a variety of resources - it may be a job best suited for someone else, say firefighters assembled at the Sheraton. It's a misallocation of resources. Completely, said the Texas firefighter. It's just an under-utilization of very talented people, said South Salt Lake Fire Chief Steve Foote, who sent a team of firefighters to Atlanta. I was hoping once they saw the level of people . . . they would shift gears a little bit. Foote said his crews would be better used doing the jobs they are trained to do. But Louis H. Botta, a coordinating officer for FEMA, said sending out firefighters on community relations makes sense. They already have had background checks and meet the qualifications to be sworn as a federal employee. They have medical training that will prove invaluable as they come across hurricane victims in the field. A firefighter from California said he feels ill prepared to even carry out the job FEMA has assigned him. In the field, Hurricane Katrina victims will approach him with questions about everything from insurance claims to financial assistance. My only answer to them is, '1-800-621-FEMA,' he said. I'm not used to not being in the know. Roy Fire Chief Jon Ritchie said his crews would be a little frustrated if they were assigned to hand out phone numbers at an evacuee center in Texas rather than find and treat victims of the disaster. Also of concern to some of the firefighters is the cost borne by their municipalities in the
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [NESARA CANADA] Message from SaLuSa, 6th September 2005
Note: forwarded message attached. Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- SaLuSa 6th September, 2005. What activity is taking place on earth right now! The floodgates have opened in more ways than one and a regime change is on the cards. To say the people have had enough is to put it mildly. The backlash has been brewing for quite some time and you have reached the point where the proverbial straw has broken the camel's back. In this case it is the patience of the people that has snapped and they will no longer tolerate incompetence. The force for change cannot go unanswered, and neither will it be pushed aside. Your aspirations are about to be fulfilled, and a new caring and responsible administration is about to emerge. It may take a little time to do so but it is there and waiting for the right time to announce its existence. You cannot say this was not foreseen, and you have been told many times that changes were afoot. People have taken decisions into their own hands and their power is such that in spite of attempts to prevent it, they will see their wishes fulfilled. When the people speak with one voice they create a movement in the ethers that brings it into being. We saw this time period arriving, which is why we have been assuring you of your victory. What is most encouraging from our point of view is that you have largely reached this point through your own determination. As we see it, it is better that the success is attributed to your efforts rather than ours. Notwithstanding that statement, we have of course been backing you up with encouragement and directing your energies into the right areas. We can see the outcome of events on Earth which are clearly predictable, and your locked up frustrations of many years are surfacing. For millennia of time you have yearned to be able to live in peace, as in essence you are loving beings that given the chance will show your true colors. When you look back you will see how you have been controlled and subject to the ambitions of those who self first. Now you are breaking out of those constraints, and we see into the future and you are taking back your freedom. From this one act all else follows, and you will be so surprised at how quickly people join hands and change the face of Humanity. Remember that you are climbing back up from whence you came, and these are the higher levels of harmony beauty and happiness. It is your natural way of being, and you only gave it up to drop into the lower vibrations. It is like a game, yet so very serious as you contracted to experience duality for the purpose of helping others who will follow. There are very few people at present that do not feel something in the air. They sense changes are taking place, but within the chaos being created they cannot visualize the outcome. We see it clearly and as we often tell you, there is a path that is becoming your reality that leads to the end times. The new vibrations are already here and they are bringing what we see manifesting into your reality now. You are sovereign Beings and you will not be denied your rights any longer. The beauty of the changes is that you are now ready to receive them and work with them. It is time for a change that signals the end of the old ways, and the transition period will be quite short. We have been fully prepared for this event for a very long time and you should have no doubts that we shall go into action immediately we are allowed to do so. The Galactic Federation, the Masters and the Angelic Kingdom carry immense power and authority bestowed upon them by even greater Beings that in your eyes would be seen as Gods. There is a plan for this Galaxy that is not going to be stopped by the activities of a handful of human beings. Everything is orderly outside of Earth, and soon you shall join us and we shall travel together doing the Creator's bidding. The immensity of everything within creation is staggering and it is still expanding, and life abounds everywhere and experiences within its own evolutionary plan. All is continually on the move and there is a common thread as all aspire to re-unite with All That Is. Once you reach a certain point of understanding you will grasp the purpose of life and how it has its link with the Godhead. There are wonders everywhere you look and you can experience in whatever way you choose. The drive is to go ever onwards in that unceasing search for the Truth. We know that you are beginning to accept our physical differences, although in reality many of us are so much like you
[FairfieldLife] Rare honesty
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet, the man makes his point... Indeed. We see eye to eye on this one point at least -- the demonic (anti-truth, anti-life, anti-human) being or energy that was playing through Hitler, is now playing through W. and seems to be in a position to affect the world now more than ever. When Love arrives and knocks on the door, *all* the resistances stand up and ask to be released. The more powerful the Love, the deeper the resistance enlivened and presenting itself for healing. The shadow would not seem so dark were we not standing in so bright a Light :-) Lines from Birgminham Shadows, by Bruce Cockburn: Birmingham Just behind the mountain Sparse streelamps glow in hot half-moon haze Shadows shorten into little black pools that elongate behind We walk, talk some, laugh some . . . Tattoo on chest like the key to the puzzle of your pumping heart Wearing your shadows all over your sleeve Wearing the role of young upstart . . . I wear my shadows where they're harder to see But they follow me everywhere I guess that should tell me that I'm travelling toward light Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA Head and former fired horse maid waited
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...]. As many as 10,000 may be dead in the wake of the storm. Far, FAR more than that. 10,000 to 100,000 dead. Latest rumor is that the morgues have been told to prepare for 40,000 bodies, but some may be from cemetaries. The demon Bush ate 40,000 bodies? Wow! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] More Balanced Views?
on 9/6/05 11:51 PM, Cliff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a Guardian article that points out the very real possibility that many (if not all) the reports of murders, rapes and armed gangs were created by rumor and a press craving disaster in alll its flavors. I also find it interesting that even the Mayor is claiming 10,000 dead, but so far only a few hundred bodies have been found. The articles on bodies all say things like, Just wait until all the waters recede - then the bodies will show up. But bodies float for days after death. They don't sink. Unless they're stuck in attics. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Balanced Views?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/6/05 11:51 PM, Cliff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a Guardian article that points out the very real possibility that many (if not all) the reports of murders, rapes and armed gangs were created by rumor and a press craving disaster in alll its flavors. I also find it interesting that even the Mayor is claiming 10,000 dead, but so far only a few hundred bodies have been found. The articles on bodies all say things like, Just wait until all the waters recede - then the bodies will show up. But bodies float for days after death. They don't sink. Unless they're stuck in attics. WRT rapes and armed gangs, in an article in the New York Times about Oprah Winfrey's show taped in New Orleans on Sunday and aired Tuesday, in her interview with the New Orleans police chief, he told of rapes inside the Superdome and an attempt by gang members to take him hostage as he toured the building. So my earlier speculation that the NO police want to minimize reports of violence is no longer operative, if the police chief himself is talking about rapes and gangs on national television. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die/Create more satva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that may be helpful; In our analysis of Bushy, and what is happening and what has happened; One thing I heard, is that George Bush, is embodying, everything, about the old system; old paradigm, that needs changing. Like the dying Old Guard; he 'stays the course' and holds the vibration of this old dying paradigm. So, in a way, he is helping to reveal, what doesn't work anymore. He is helping us all to see the hypocrisy of it all. So, like Hitler, who gave us an example, of what not to do, what not to be; We now have our George, 'keeping the course', as we watch the whole thing collapses. snip I agree. The one thing Bush has held to consistently is the old way of doing or not doing things. Even his excuses and the excuses of those around him are textbook reactive small minded thinking. He is a perfect mirror of the old imperialist, class warfare, capitalist system. However I also see some elements of this on the Democratic side, mainly in the form of exhausted reactive diatribes against those in power. So the lines cannot be cleanly drawn between red and blue, D vs. R, etc. The one thing is clear is that Bush represents the purest thinking of the old guard, and a lot of people have woken up to the fact that it doesn't work well (though I see a lot of denial too). Now, whether that creates a higher consciousness in the U.S., or merely creates a permanent group of 50% P.O'd electorate remains to be seen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor Who Failed His City
And the ones you put up here are believably honest, Judy? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, to me. And, yes, I'm sure you'll now try to engage me in a point-by- point proof of how absolutely right every word you've ever put on the board is. You and I both know how pointless that discussion would be, but for some reason you seem determined to engage perpetually. You have as much of an agenda as anyone, Judy. Admitting that would be believable honesty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know what political agenda frontpagemagazine.com supports? I did not think so... Sure he does. That's why he reads it. That's *his* political agenda. Unbelievably dishonest article, but entirely typical of FrontPage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
Bet his unhappy wife got it for him without his knowing about it. No man would ever get the plate for himself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vanity plate seen on a Hummer in Aspen: http://bbs.chrismoore.com/images/splicense.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sankeertana (Singing Glory of God)
Sankeertana (Singing Glory of God) The relationship between devotion and sankeertan is very unique. One is complimentary to the other. The more you sing the glory of God, the more you evolve in devotion. One nourishes the other. Devotion expresses through sankeertan and sankeertan culminates in devotion. The emotions hidden in the heart manifest as sankeertan. Emotion is predominant in sankeertan and it inspires the soul. Both body and mind also get sustained, refreshed and invigorated through sankeertan. Sankeetan reinforces devotion, knowledge and detachment (bhakti, jnana, vairagya) and drives away sorrow, distress and despair. - Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji Jai Guru Datta! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
TurquiseB wrote: Big laugh. Sometimes you can avoid being perceived as a big dick by pretending to have a small one. Are you soliciting? I thought this was a family-oriented newsgroup. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
Rick Archer wrote: When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana granthas [validating texts] to ashes. You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Avoidable Katrina Catastrophe by Jim Greenfield
Rick Archer wrote: It's All About the Oil, Stupid You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Rick, trying to turn a national disaster into a political agenda and poking fun at the victims. Couldn't you at least wait until all the dead have been identified? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquiseB wrote: Big laugh. Sometimes you can avoid being perceived as a big dick by pretending to have a small one. Are you soliciting? I thought this was a family-oriented newsgroup. You *thought*, Willy? Color me surprised. Congratulations. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New name for FEMA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (HNS) - The Department of Homeland Security has taken the first step to deflect criticism of its handling of Hurricane Katrina. FEMA has been renamed in an effort to streamline the agency even more than it's already been streamlined. The newly-named Federal Unified Bureau of Active Response will be the central clearing house for federal response to emergencies and attacks. DHS director Michael Chertoff says the new name properly reflects the agency's ability to handle current and future serious, widespread or even mild disasters. Heh. A name change that accurately reflects the intent to accomplish nothing? Look at the new name again... FUBAR... Er, NM... I guess thats better than: Federal Integrated Bureau of Active Response Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying your status as an Awakened One validates your perception that 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina were engineered by our government? R: *lol* No. To anyone believing themselves unAwakened, my so- called status as an Awakened One validates exactly nothing -- other than my obvious irrationality. Well, that's not quite true -- I am validating the Me inside of You, and the You inside of Me, but if you are denying the former, you will probably be denying the latter, and vice versa, for they are the same. J: Yeah, well, that also means 9/11 and Katrina and our government are also inside you, so why couldn't you have a perception of them? R: Yes, they are inside of me, because there is nowhere else they *could* be. I contain it all, but I am not fully aware at all times of every specific element which is inside of me. My attention is regulated by desire, the same as everyone's, as far as I can see -- in this case, the desire of those elements or beings in me who wish to know me, and to be known to me. When we meet, and know ourselves to be one, to be Love and Light and Laughter, there is healing; wholeness expands :-) Many are documenting and validating the deeper details of 9/11, to my satisfaction at least. J: Mmm. I'd say you're easily satisfied. My own suspicion (not that you asked) is that a lot of these deeper details are deliberate disinformation, sexy conspiracy stuff planted to lure attention away from the pursuit of facts that are actually much closer to the surface, much more banal and mundane, but no less evil--just less titillating: incompetence, indifference, hubris, and CYA. And quite possibly subsequent exploitation for personal and political benefit. The conspiracy theories, I think, are political pornography. People get addicted to them because they're exciting and mysterious; and they suck up energy that could be used much more constructively. It's in the interests of the real villains to keep folks chasing after sinister-looking shadows. R: An interesting hypothesis, and quite reasonable. I have no idea really whether Hurricane Katrina was similarly engineered by *portions of* our government -- I am simply noting that the means were probably available (to some at least), the motive appears to be moving in the same pattern as that of 9/11, and as in 9/11, asking the question Cui bono? -- who benefits? -- may well provide a clue into who is preparing to benefit from the opportunities inherent in this latest problem - reaction - solution scenario. J: This strikes me as post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Did I let my child wander out in the street so that I could collect a huge judgment from the drunken driver who struck her and disabled her for life? (Hypothetical.) R: Yes, maybe so. Causality and intention are sometimes very difficult to determine, particularly as we (each of us) function on a great many levels of awareness, some completely unaware of each other. Again, I do not *know* that Hurricane K. was deliberately caused by humans, as I did *know* that portions of our government did help to engineer 9/11. I do *know* that weather-control is feasible, as is earth-quake generation. In fact it's pretty obvious that some one of us is causing them, and is causing them as a portion of the divine plan, whether they consciously know it or not :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
TurquoiseB wrote: Are you soliciting? I thought this was a family-oriented newsgroup. You *thought*, Willy? I guess I was mistaken. Color me surprised. Waht color, red? Congratulations. :-) Anytime, just leave the work-a-day language at the brothel. : ) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
on 9/7/05 11:04 AM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana granthas [validating texts] to ashes. You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. Thanks for the compliment. I know nothing about this stuff. I just forwarded something that looked interesting that Blaine Watson had forwarded to me. I defer to your great wisdom as a scholar of Indian and Vedic history. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MMY Conspiracy theories
Dana Sawyer's comments: -- Forwarded Message From: Dana Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:21:06 -0400 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MMY Conspiracy theories Rick, I don't know who wrote the comments on the first comment below but they are quite accurate about the gripe that exists within Swarupananda's camp. I'll make a couple of specific comments below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recognized Shankaracharya (the one most here seem to prefer) referred to MMY as an ashram clerk. The rumor was that this clerk managed to conspire with a cook to kill Gurudev. AFter the will wasproduced, this clerk was so powerful as to get the first guy on the list proclaimed Shankaracharya overthe protestations (if you believe what everyone here appears to) liaterally everyother disciple of Gurudev besides MMY and the cook. First, the person's point here seems to be that it is implausible that a cook and a clerk were so powerful that they could usurp the Shankaracaryaship. This is both true and false. Even throwing out the idea that Brahmananda was given poison, it is possible that Mahesh, as secretary, could have skewed the will and then had a less than lucid Brahmananda sign a different document then he thought he was signing. Beyond that it's important to recognize, for good or bad, that those who felt the document was a forgery formed the much larger and more influential group. They immediately took matters into their own hands and backed Krishnabodhashrama as the new Shankaracarya, so for them all that was lost was property, not the position. See? When the guy below says that, possession is nine tenths of the law he's correct with regards to the government. The Shantanada group had Brahmananda's will with his signature on it and that's all that the government filing office in Allahabad cared about. The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, yes who was first on the list, and became Shankarachara -- so it was a bit more interesting, with a thicker plot -- than your account suggests. yes, again. And it appears from some testimony regarding the will, that GD was not very lucid in his last days. Plausibly the effect of sudden poisons introduced. Every testimony that I've heard, on either side of the dispute, holds that Brahmananda was barely able to communicate in his last days - whether there was poison involved or not. hypothetically, if a signed list appeared, it would give enough nominal clearance during the chaos of GD's passing, to enable a new shankaracharaya to be rushed into GD's quarters. Which is what happened. Then it became a game of possession is 9/10s of the law. Exactly right. and in the subsequent court case (the first one), the only issue for the court was whether or not the person on the will, Shantananda, was acting in accord with the public trust that was established. The court, as a secular body, had not interest or concern for figuring out whether or not Shantananda should own the properties. And GD's clerk or secretary would be the person to prepare such a list. And could have had GD sign it, at GD's request, or in the confusion of his non-lucidity, if that occurred. Mahesh DID prepare the documents and the rest is certainly possible, though I'm certain nothing will ever be proven one way or the other. In the meantime, it is a moot point. Vasudevananda cannot travel as the Shankaracarya or present himself as such. The war is over and Swarupananda owns the position; that's the fact of the matter and its time, for better or worse, simply to face it and move on - as Hindus themselves have. Dana -- End of Forwarded Message Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
FW: [FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
More comments from Dana: -- Forwarded Message From: Dana Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:35:49 -0400 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: [FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography Rick, here are a few more comments. The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, who was first on the list, and became Shankarachara -- yes. ...I think that Shantanand was GD's cook is the best established of the facts. he was. Guru Dev didn't have a cook - Sannyasins of the Shankaracharya order don't eat food cooked by others. Actually, this is wrong. Not only was Shantananda the cook, as everyone agrees, but dandi samnyasis (and, if fact, all swamis of the Shankaracarya orders) can ONLY eat food cooked by others. Part of the samnyas is to never do any work, including cooking, and they are doubly prevented by the fact that they also vow never to touch fire (which is why TM teachers turn away from the photo of Brahmananda when they kindle fire during puja). Swamis only eat food cooked by others. And it appears from some testimony regarding the will, that GD was not very lucid in his last days. All agree on this. Plausibly the effect of sudden poisons introduced. Yes, plausibly, but we'll never know. According to the coroners report Guru Dev died of natural causes - no mention of poisons in the Indian press at the time. But no autopsy was ever performed and so we'll never know. But hypothetically, if a signed list appeared, it would give enough nominal clearance during the chaos of GD's passing, to enable a new shankaracharaya to be rushed into GD's quarters. Which is what happened. yes, this is correct. According to the Times of India Shantanand was installed as the new Shankaracharya with all due pomp and ceremony in a public coronation that lasted for days. But was also poorly attended due to the controvery which immediately occured. Only TMers think that everything was hunky dory when Shantananda took over the properties. Then it became a game of possession is 9/10s of the law. right again. Shantanand, as Guru Dev's succussor, inherited the Shankaracharya title, the Jyotirmath, the property, and all the accoutrements of the office. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati is the current Shankaracharya at Jyotirmath. This person is obviously a major Shantananda supporter because facts seem to be of no concern. Vasudevananda cannot even publicly claim to be Shankaracarya without risking jail. The properties he inherited are meager and in disrepair. On the other hand, Swarupananda's properties have greatly increased and he is the personage backed by the other Shankaracaryas and the general population. And GD's clerk or secretary would be the person to prepare such a list. And could have had GD sign it, at GD's request, or in the confusion of his non-lucidity, if that occurred. Mahesh did prepare and present the will. Apparently Guru Dev's last will and command was written in Hindi by Guru Dev himself. No, it was dictacted to Mahesh. The will has never been contested, according to published reports. Which pulished reports? Do you mean contested in court or simply publicly contested? Either way this is a wrong statement. It has been greatly contested in public (and from the immediate time of Brahmananda's death) and once in court. Dana Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Lord Shiva About Perfect Vastu For Initiations
Jaya Guru Deva Datta In His commentary on Sri Guru Gita, Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji explains Lord Shiva's answer to Parvati Devi's question about who should initiate. One who has already attained accomplishment is alone competent to intitiate others. Some people feel greatly satisfied as if they got wonderful intitation when they are put to severe tests, made to fast till they nearly collapse and at last when a small spell is breathed into their ear. Some gurus also do like that. Such gurus are for such disciples. Those who intitiate others should chant the spell crores of times indeed. They should attain the fulfilment of that spell. Then with that power, the spell should be given secretly to the disciple. If it is done like that, then only the disciple becomes evolved. So great men don't pass on intiations so quickly. So much emphasis put on the building. Isn't the true power of the initiation in the vastu of the intitiator's building(body/mind)? Who in the TMO meets this qualification? Amazing to see the rationalizations that take place in mind to satisfy the ego's desire to teach someone something. Hari Om Tat Sat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting this Rick, it is beautiful. comments interspersed. The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India 16 August 2005 -- Amritapuri It is impossible to say exactly when Vedic culture began, Amma told the devotees and disciples gathered for Tuesday's meditation and question-and-answer session. The Vedas are anadi [without beginning]; they were there even before the beginning of the human race. The Vedas are said to be isvara nisvasam--the exhalation of God. We don't even know who discovered them. To say exactly when the Vedas came into existence is difficult. Bhagavatam and Mahabharata address this for those willing to dive in. Amma said that there is a lot of miseducation in Vedic studies due to the way that the Vedas are being taught today. Traditionally, the Vedas and their teachings were taught in a gurukula system, orally passed down through the guru-disciple parampara [lineage]. Now, that tradition is all but lost, and the vast majority of Vedic scholars have gained their knowledge through textbooks in translation, motivated by academic curiosity rather than a thirst for the Truth. Such a gurukula system is thriving at Avadhuta Dattapeetham in Mysore, India under the guidance of that One Avatara of Lord Dattatreya who gave Veda back to Lord Brahma after the creator had gotten so caught up in creation He forgot them. Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji Perhaps the biggest tragedy is that Indians today are accepting these fallacies as fact, Amma said. Even though Mahatmas are correcting these misconceptions and pointing out the real meaning of the scriptural statements, most people are not able to accept what the Mahatmas are saying as the real truth. Instead, they cling to the belief that whatever they were taught in schoolfrom textbooks based on the writings of Müller and other Western scholarsmust be correct. There are numerous stories documented about these sort of scholars who came to test Sri Swamiji after hearing the corrections he expounded. Amazing what happens. The story is symbolic of how certain forces have been able to trick the majority of people into forfeiting the Vedic culture that is their birthright. However, even so, the truly inquisitive seekers of knowledge have pushed forward anyway, found out the sweetness of India's spiritual tradition for themselves and embraced it. Kali Yuga thrives But Amma said some of the blame also falls on Indian people themselves; that there were some Indian pundits who sold the knowledge contained in the Vedas to foreigners just to make money, often helping them to misinterpret or pretending to know the meanings when they really did not. This was the beginning of the proliferation of misinformation. In this way, too many of India's precious things were lost, Amma said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
Maharishi's Definition of Heaven on EarthMaharishi's faultless vision, timeless wisdom and infinite compassion for all mankind are obvious in the following Definitions of Heaven on Earth. Having a vision of what Heaven on Earth can be like is not enough to live in heaven. Maharishi has brought out the easily learned procedures necessary for bringing heavenly life to earth. No other teacher of any time or place, besides Maharishi, has been blessed with the knowledge capable of bringing heavenly life to earth and the means to fulfill that ideal of life. With today's fast pace of life and communication everyone can learn what is necessary to bring heaven to their life and their society. Maharishi has made creation of Heaven on Earth simple, reliable and easily achieved. He has enlivened the ancient procedures, developed the necessary programs, tested their validity, published the results and invited every government and every family to adopt this knowledge. Never before has such true compassion been displayed on Earth. SOURCE: http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Heaven_on_Earth.html -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, who was first on the list, and became Shankarachara -- so it was a bit more interesting, with a thicker plot -- than your account suggests. If the cook was Shantanand and he was suspected of murder why did the Swami Svarupanand invite him to the birthday celebration reported by Kropinsky? I for one would not rule out Colonial Mustard. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The uphill battle to sell from India as good in America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just passing along a joke -- funny despite its obvious prejudice -- to point out how off the If it's Vedic, it's good approach the TMO has adopted as a sales strategy in America is. The joke was found in a fairly mainstream location, which means that no one saw anything wrong with it in terms of being PC, and that thus it reflects stereotypes that no one seems to have any problem accepting as true and poking fun at. I somehow suspect that Maharishi is unaware of how the heritage and cultural values of his beloved India are perceived by many in the US. For centuries, Hindu women have worn a red spot on their foreheads. We have always naively thought that it had something to do with their religion. The true story has recently been revealed by the Indian Embassy in Washington, DC. When one of these women gets married, she brings with her a dowry. On her wedding night, the husband scratches off the red spot to see if he has won either a convenience store, a gas station, a donut shop or a motel. Good one. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
My, don't we feel wonderfully exclusive and supremely fortunate. on 9/7/05 12:20 PM, George DeForest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi's Definition of Heaven on EarthMaharishi's faultless vision, timeless wisdom and infinite compassion for all mankind are obvious in the following Definitions of Heaven on Earth. Having a vision of what Heaven on Earth can be like is not enough to live in heaven. Maharishi has brought out the easily learned procedures necessary for bringing heavenly life to earth. No other teacher of any time or place, besides Maharishi, has been blessed with the knowledge capable of bringing heavenly life to earth and the means to fulfill that ideal of life. With today's fast pace of life and communication everyone can learn what is necessary to bring heaven to their life and their society. Maharishi has made creation of Heaven on Earth simple, reliable and easily achieved. He has enlivened the ancient procedures, developed the necessary programs, tested their validity, published the results and invited every government and every family to adopt this knowledge. Never before has such true compassion been displayed on Earth. SOURCE: http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Heaven_on_Earth.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes you can avoid being perceived as a big dick by pretending to have a small one. Confuscious say: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
Sorry Akasha, This is the point at which a conversation via the web gets tiresome and nit-picky. First I claim the irrelevance of your contribution, then you claim the irrelevance of mine. This reply is in no way an attempt at rebuttal. Perhaps, if we had been in the same room we would have enjoyed a mutually enriching conversation. Sorry it didn't work out that way. As I stated originally, I normally really enjoy the astuteness of your contributions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your history of science lecture is a all good and fine. I agree with the essentials of everything your wrote. Making a lot of good points does not however make a good counter to the two points in question. They are not relevant, per my view, of the two quesions at hand. 1) Elements or predictions of the model or hypothesis, need not yet be observable phenomenon (e.g. 13 dimensions of string theory) for the model to be useful, e.,g., after explaining observed phenomenon, they suggest or make testable predictions. (However, it is best if these model elements can themselves be observed someday -- a problem that string theory has. ) This first point came out of a discussion whereby a devic model was suggested to explain SV. Peter said this would be difficult to be accepted by science until observed. While not disagreeing with his endpoint, I suggested that theoretical models often have components that are not yet observed when the theory is proposed and cited many examples from the history of science. A small yet important distinction. More specifically, the distinction I was making suggested that a model that proposes energy and information intense structures (aka devas) to explain SV effects should and would not be rejected out of hand just because the model itself involves some yet to be observed phenomenon (beyond the yet to be unobserved SV effects that it is trying to explain). The key is whether the primary effects are observed by rigorous studies. If they are, then the theory deserves a closer look. Per my point #1, you stated But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later embraced them and much later found evidence for them. The SV mythology does not arise from such an evolution. Scientists do not necessarily want to take any old pie in the sky explanation for how things work and test it rigorously. OK, but a bit off the point. You are countering points I never made or disagreed with. Since the discussion was about explanatory models, I keyed on the one relevant point you made on this topic: how ideas for such explanatory models arise. Thus my point #2: 2) It doesn't matter from where the inspiration for a scientific model / hypthesis / explanation comes from -- it could come from a dream, an drugs, ritam, a thought experiment, OR from more traditional means. What matters is that the idea embodied in an explanatory model itself provides a reasonable explaination for results arising from rigorously conducted, well designed research. And that it provides a basis for further research by making predictions. You then decided to further ignore the points of the debate up to that point, and based on two sentences of contribution up to that point and proclaim THE new definition of the discussion The question is not by what mental mechanisms scientists come up with new ideas. I was addressing what makes a particular set of ideas be considered worthwhile to follow up on. Ok, no one was arguing that, but if you want to make some points on it then fine. So if you want to argue these two points I was actually making, I would be happy to read your critique. I may be wrong and well welcome sound analysis of such. If you want to introduce some new points and point out their relevance to the disuccion, thats great. I simply suggest that a highly dismissive tone is not so consucive for such. If you would rather write a lot of well-written, yet irreleveant (to the points in question), summaries from the history of science, perhaps to demonstrated to us your knowledge of such, thats fine to. Just don't suggest you are effectively addresing the two points in question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: omg, I mean Akasha: You usually have very astute observations to make on FFL. In this case, I am quite disappointed. The question is not by what mental mechanisms scientists come up with new ideas. I was addressing what makes a particular set of ideas be considered worthwhile to follow up on. In the case of August Kekule, he was already a chemist. He was exploring the question of the structure of the benzene molecule in his waking hours because he considered the question to be meaningful. Why? Because he knew that benzene existed as a chemical and that there was a
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages than those in homes with entrances facing in other directions. Yes but... You can do research that shows a correlation between factors, and even gives an indication of which factors may be causal. This is important preliminary research. But, when faced with overwhelming opposition to your ideas due to their not fitting with mainstream paradigms, you need to follow up this research with studies that demonstrate the actual causal mechanisms for the results being observed. I'm not sure you can actually *demonstrate* causal mechanisms. Rather, you make causal *assumptions* to a greater or lesser confidence level, no? *** Yeh, sure. To be technically correct. But this doesn't change the nature of the research. One kind of research finds correlations, without looking at what may cause the correlations. Another kind of research focuses more directly on the processes involved. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
This came from a talk given by an expert on Vastu sent by MMY to the MUM campus to review the campus some years ago. Actually, I think it may have been asuras, and not devas. I don't remember very well. Anyway, this seemed to be coming, not from MMY, but from the traditional understanding of Vastu that predated MMY's interest in it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IN all honesty, Ihave yet to hear an official TM explanation of SV that involved devas. Orientation to the sun is all Ihave heard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as we enter the domain of devas we've got problems Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs in the air as a myth until it can be quantified. And we are very far from that right now! But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages than those in homes with entrances facing in other directions. I think two things are confounded here. There are the empirical findings that correlate south facing entranced homes with greater diseases, deaths, etc., compared to north facing entranced homes. These are empirical facts if the research is done right. Then there are the explanatory concepts that either link the empirical findings back into known science or a new explanatory construct is created (such as in the 1% stuff) because it is the best and only way to explain the findings. This, of course, is much more difficult to do (and what the TMO has failed to do with the 1% research. But the new construct must attempt to link or bridge known science to the new explanatory paradigm. The new construct must make sense within a scientific zeitgeist. The new explanatory construct is a myth and functions as a metaphor if this is not done. Right now, to talk about self-conscious, non-physical entities (i.e., devas) governing directional quadrants on a piece of property is just a cultural belief from India. It is very, very far away from explaining research findings that haven't even been completed yet! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
Frankly I don't think we are really disagreeing on much of anything. The issue, quite minor, appears to be in one or both parties not fully seeing the point the other is making. And this can lead to claims that the counter points are not relevant to the prior point made -- though relevant in the grand scheme of things. Or one not seeing the relevance of such. Or any number of other percieved slights on either side. I think the catalyst of such petty diversions, on both sides, can be percieved tone (intended or not) -- and not the points of knowledge themselves. I hate it too when discussions devolve to such. And I assume you are LBS. And we have both been here before. :) I have actually learned from some of our past discussions and feel (perhaps falsely) that I am more alert as to not falling into such diversions. Or at least detouring them by staying on the points of knowledge. I suspect you have too. Though getting better, neither of us appear to be at optimal state yet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Akasha, This is the point at which a conversation via the web gets tiresome and nit-picky. First I claim the irrelevance of your contribution, then you claim the irrelevance of mine. This reply is in no way an attempt at rebuttal. Perhaps, if we had been in the same room we would have enjoyed a mutually enriching conversation. Sorry it didn't work out that way. As I stated originally, I normally really enjoy the astuteness of your contributions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your history of science lecture is a all good and fine. I agree with the essentials of everything your wrote. Making a lot of good points does not however make a good counter to the two points in question. They are not relevant, per my view, of the two quesions at hand. 1) Elements or predictions of the model or hypothesis, need not yet be observable phenomenon (e.g. 13 dimensions of string theory) for the model to be useful, e.,g., after explaining observed phenomenon, they suggest or make testable predictions. (However, it is best if these model elements can themselves be observed someday -- a problem that string theory has. ) This first point came out of a discussion whereby a devic model was suggested to explain SV. Peter said this would be difficult to be accepted by science until observed. While not disagreeing with his endpoint, I suggested that theoretical models often have components that are not yet observed when the theory is proposed and cited many examples from the history of science. A small yet important distinction. More specifically, the distinction I was making suggested that a model that proposes energy and information intense structures (aka devas) to explain SV effects should and would not be rejected out of hand just because the model itself involves some yet to be observed phenomenon (beyond the yet to be unobserved SV effects that it is trying to explain). The key is whether the primary effects are observed by rigorous studies. If they are, then the theory deserves a closer look. Per my point #1, you stated But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later embraced them and much later found evidence for them. The SV mythology does not arise from such an evolution. Scientists do not necessarily want to take any old pie in the sky explanation for how things work and test it rigorously. OK, but a bit off the point. You are countering points I never made or disagreed with. Since the discussion was about explanatory models, I keyed on the one relevant point you made on this topic: how ideas for such explanatory models arise. Thus my point #2: 2) It doesn't matter from where the inspiration for a scientific model / hypthesis / explanation comes from -- it could come from a dream, an drugs, ritam, a thought experiment, OR from more traditional means. What matters is that the idea embodied in an explanatory model itself provides a reasonable explaination for results arising from rigorously conducted, well designed research. And that it provides a basis for further research by making predictions. You then decided to further ignore the points of the debate up to that point, and based on two sentences of contribution up to that point and proclaim THE new definition of the discussion The question is not by what mental mechanisms scientists come up with new ideas. I was addressing what makes a particular set of ideas be considered worthwhile to follow up on. Ok, no one was arguing that, but if you want to make some points on it then fine. So if you want to argue these two points I was actually making, I would be happy to read your critique. I may be wrong and well welcome sound analysis of such.
Re: [FairfieldLife] In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
Yes, this is all your belief. Fine and dandy. BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE, YOU IDIOT! --- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi's Definition of Heaven on EarthMaharishi's faultless vision, timeless wisdom and infinite compassion for all mankind are obvious in the following Definitions of Heaven on Earth. Having a vision of what Heaven on Earth can be like is not enough to live in heaven. Maharishi has brought out the easily learned procedures necessary for bringing heavenly life to earth. No other teacher of any time or place, besides Maharishi, has been blessed with the knowledge capable of bringing heavenly life to earth and the means to fulfill that ideal of life. With today's fast pace of life and communication everyone can learn what is necessary to bring heaven to their life and their society. Maharishi has made creation of Heaven on Earth simple, reliable and easily achieved. He has enlivened the ancient procedures, developed the necessary programs, tested their validity, published the results and invited every government and every family to adopt this knowledge. Never before has such true compassion been displayed on Earth. SOURCE: http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Heaven_on_Earth.html -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Different paths may lead to different peaks, but its all high altitude peaks and air with similar views.) Aha - so you *do* have a working assumption that these peaks all exist in the same underlying universe. (A little quibble we had some months ago - you've probably forgotten) Not quite knowing who you are, its hard to recall. I am open to the LBSian theory of many paths, many peaks. I am open to the possibility that, at some point, the peaks are a distinction without a meaningful difference. Any way, a foolish consistancy is the hobgoblin of little minds. *** Akasha, Please reference: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/57406 And I also acknowledge your Emerson quote. I don't want to be held to a particular point of view either. ;- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages than those in homes with entrances facing in other directions. Yes but... You can do research that shows a correlation between factors, and even gives an indication of which factors may be causal. This is important preliminary research. But, when faced with overwhelming opposition to your ideas due to their not fitting with mainstream paradigms, you need to follow up this research with studies that demonstrate the actual causal mechanisms for the results being observed. I'm not sure you can actually *demonstrate* causal mechanisms. Rather, you make causal *assumptions* to a greater or lesser confidence level, no? *** Yeh, sure. To be technically correct. But this doesn't change the nature of the research. One kind of research finds correlations, without looking at what may cause the correlations. Another kind of research focuses more directly on the processes involved. On another front, I have been looking at the correlation / causation question. At times I do a lot of multi-variate regression work where say, 10 independent variables clearly explain most of the variations in the dependent variable. This can lull one into believing that this demonstrates causality. As a proof it does not, though it may still be a causal relationship and the relationships can be mapped out using influence diagrams. Some interesting links on loosely and formally proving causality are below: http://b-course.hiit.fi/naive_cause.html The scientific research community has adopted rigorous methods to eliminate the need for subjective judgments about many things, but when it comes to testing whether X causes Y, they revert to intuition and hand-waving. This book makes a strong argument that we shouldn't accept that. It demonstrates that it is possible to turn intuitions about causation into hypotheses that are unambiguous and testable. http://www.psych.uni-goettingen.de/abt/1/waldmann/cog_sci00.pdf http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521773628/102-3865279-2055340?v=glance online version of the above: http://bayes.cs.ucla.edu/BOOK-2K/book-toc.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
Thanks for your reply. No I'm not LBS (really), but maybe I should take that as a compliment. Anyway, please excuse any stupidity on my part. This seems to be ending amicably. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly I don't think we are really disagreeing on much of anything. The issue, quite minor, appears to be in one or both parties not fully seeing the point the other is making. And this can lead to claims that the counter points are not relevant to the prior point made -- though relevant in the grand scheme of things. Or one not seeing the relevance of such. Or any number of other percieved slights on either side. I think the catalyst of such petty diversions, on both sides, can be percieved tone (intended or not) -- and not the points of knowledge themselves. I hate it too when discussions devolve to such. And I assume you are LBS. And we have both been here before. :) I have actually learned from some of our past discussions and feel (perhaps falsely) that I am more alert as to not falling into such diversions. Or at least detouring them by staying on the points of knowledge. I suspect you have too. Though getting better, neither of us appear to be at optimal state yet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Akasha, This is the point at which a conversation via the web gets tiresome and nit-picky. First I claim the irrelevance of your contribution, then you claim the irrelevance of mine. This reply is in no way an attempt at rebuttal. Perhaps, if we had been in the same room we would have enjoyed a mutually enriching conversation. Sorry it didn't work out that way. As I stated originally, I normally really enjoy the astuteness of your contributions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your history of science lecture is a all good and fine. I agree with the essentials of everything your wrote. Making a lot of good points does not however make a good counter to the two points in question. They are not relevant, per my view, of the two quesions at hand. 1) Elements or predictions of the model or hypothesis, need not yet be observable phenomenon (e.g. 13 dimensions of string theory) for the model to be useful, e.,g., after explaining observed phenomenon, they suggest or make testable predictions. (However, it is best if these model elements can themselves be observed someday -- a problem that string theory has. ) This first point came out of a discussion whereby a devic model was suggested to explain SV. Peter said this would be difficult to be accepted by science until observed. While not disagreeing with his endpoint, I suggested that theoretical models often have components that are not yet observed when the theory is proposed and cited many examples from the history of science. A small yet important distinction. More specifically, the distinction I was making suggested that a model that proposes energy and information intense structures (aka devas) to explain SV effects should and would not be rejected out of hand just because the model itself involves some yet to be observed phenomenon (beyond the yet to be unobserved SV effects that it is trying to explain). The key is whether the primary effects are observed by rigorous studies. If they are, then the theory deserves a closer look. Per my point #1, you stated But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later embraced them and much later found evidence for them. The SV mythology does not arise from such an evolution. Scientists do not necessarily want to take any old pie in the sky explanation for how things work and test it rigorously. OK, but a bit off the point. You are countering points I never made or disagreed with. Since the discussion was about explanatory models, I keyed on the one relevant point you made on this topic: how ideas for such explanatory models arise. Thus my point #2: 2) It doesn't matter from where the inspiration for a scientific model / hypthesis / explanation comes from -- it could come from a dream, an drugs, ritam, a thought experiment, OR from more traditional means. What matters is that the idea embodied in an explanatory model itself provides a reasonable explaination for results arising from rigorously conducted, well designed research. And that it provides a basis for further research by making predictions. You then decided to further ignore the points of the debate up to that point, and based on two sentences of contribution up to that point and proclaim THE new definition of the discussion The question is not by what
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana granthas [validating texts] to ashes. You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. And obviously, as a knower of Yogis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Different paths may lead to different peaks, but its all high altitude peaks and air with similar views.) Aha - so you *do* have a working assumption that these peaks all exist in the same underlying universe. (A little quibble we had some months ago - you've probably forgotten) Not quite knowing who you are, its hard to recall. I am open to the LBSian theory of many paths, many peaks. I am open to the possibility that, at some point, the peaks are a distinction without a meaningful difference. Any way, a foolish consistancy is the hobgoblin of little minds. *** Akasha, Please reference: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/57406 And I also acknowledge your Emerson quote. I don't want to be held to a particular point of view either. ;- Oh. You are THAT anon. I remember. :) So perhaps, probably not LBS, per my guess in adjacent post. Its fun(ny). In reading my words of the past per your link, its as if I am reading the exchange of two parties. I am not tied to one or the other's views. Its like my past writings are just of another person out there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your reply. No I'm not LBS (really), but maybe I should take that as a compliment. Anyway, please excuse any stupidity on my part. This seems to be ending amicably. Don't want to interrupt, but what's LBS? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] OT Sanskrit and Lithuanian?
http://www.lfcc.lt/publ/roots/node14.html While other Indo-European languages underwent rapid transformations, the languages in the Baltic branch, and Lithuanian in particular, remained relatively unchanged. The Lithuanian language is characterized by an abundance of diverse word formations and synonyms. Out of all of the living Indo-European languages, it has best retained archaic sound systems, many morphologies and lexical features. For this reason, it is difficult for researchers to fully comprehend Indo-European languages without knowledge of Lithuanian. Sanskrit and the Baltic languages constitute two poles between which are sought the origins of the Indo-European languages. There are in fact many similarities between these two tongues. For example, the following proverb written in modern Lithuanian and Sanskrit demonstrates these likenesses: Dievas dave dantis, Dievas duos duonos Devas adat datas, Devas dasyati dhanas [carde's sandhi machinations for the Sanskrit: devo 'dat dantaa(H), devo dasyati(?) dhanaaH(?)] (God gave us teeth, God will give us bread) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
LBS = LB Shriver, who posted here a lot in the past and espoused a process = product philosophy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes look at Fairfield. That infinite compassion is obvious. A teacher who won't even let his students sit in the same room with him, even for a million from those foolish enough to offer? A teacher who gives nothing to the University he founded. (without a price) A teacher who has given no new knowledge in decades. A teacher who complains. A teacher whose MAPI business offers audio cassettes in a time of cd's and charges $200.00 for the cd of Vishnu Sahasranama! $200.00!!! for the 1000 names of the Lord. According to those ancient scriptures he has purportedly enlivened, that man who sells Veda is surely going to Hell. Gurus do not ask for anything. They are givers and take only a devotees sins. I was with ya up to the last sentence. I'm asking because I'm always curious when I run into someone who believes that a guru can take a devotee's sin or somehow mitigate his karmas. What do you think is the *mechanism* by which this is accomplished? As I understand karma, I don't see it as possible. I certainly believe it's possible that a teacher can speed up the student's ability to work through and process his own karma, but to resolve it or make it go away? Can't see how that could work. So I'm curious, since you seem to believe in your own last line above, how you envision this happening, how you think it works. Thanks in advance. Anyone else who has a theory can chime in, too, if they'd like. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its fun(ny). In reading my words of the past per your link, its as if I am reading the exchange of two parties. I am not tied to one or the other's views. Its like my past writings are just of another person out there. *** I had a similar experience once. A professor at some esteemed university wrote me to notify me that he had cited an essay that I had posted on the web several years ago and thanking me for my insights. Naturally, I looked up the reference. While I recognized that I had actually written it, I really felt like I was reading someone else's work. I couldn't imagine having those insights and points of view. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Gurus do not ask for anything. They are givers and take only a devotees sins. I was with ya up to the last sentence. I'm asking because I'm always curious when I run into someone who believes that a guru can take a devotee's sin or somehow mitigate his karmas. What do you think is the *mechanism* by which this is accomplished? As I understand karma, I don't see it as possible. I certainly believe it's possible that a teacher can speed up the student's ability to work through and process his own karma, but to resolve it or make it go away? Can't see how that could work. So I'm curious, since you seem to believe in your own last line above, how you envision this happening, how you think it works. Thanks in advance. Anyone else who has a theory can chime in, too, if they'd like. Unc OK, here's my chime- what I have experienced is that karma has two elements, the karma of thought and the karma of action, though it is the karma of thought which is most powerful. What I mean is, it is the repetitions of our thoughts which manifest results, either presenting a situation which we may then act upon, or manifesting a reality of which we are then a part of, and may act within. This occurs whether we want it to or not, because it is the law of cause and effect; karma. The awareness we have of our thoughts and thinking process determines the karma that we live. If we perform an action and then anticipate its result, either joyfully or fearfully, that is what will come back to us. We constantly create and recreate our reality. The function of a Guru in this process is twofold. One, the Guru's presence can clear our mind, purify it, so that we are more aware of the future effects we are thinking up for ourselves, and two, the presence of the Guru purifies our mind so that we naturally create more pleasing karma for ourselves vs. living the effects of impure thoughts. An alternative to being at the effect of personal karma is to stop thinking. By this, I mean becoming established in that reality which is beyond thinking. By doing this, we leave it to Brahman to deliver our karma to us. We no longer create it, and instead always effortlessly enjoy good karma. I experience this, though I am not sure of the mechanics of it. It just works- must have something to do with enjoying the immense bliss of the Creator after subsuming ourselves to Him/Her. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] World peace may come to Danbury - article
http://news.newstimeslive.com/story.php?id=74221category=Local World Peace may come to Danbury 'Meditators' seek spot to build prayer palace By Eugene Driscoll THE NEWS-TIMES Artists rendering of the Maharishi Peace Palace Terry and Bernie Nevas want to build in the Danbury area. DANBURY It is a movement that has influenced Hollywood types ranging from shock jock Howard Stern to the guy who plays the dad on the wholesome television show 7th Heaven. Its leaders have opened countless enlightenment centers, a university heck, they've even founded their own city. The movement is the Global Country of World Peace, headed by an Indian guru now in his 90s, and it's coming to Danbury. Maybe. For three months, Terry and Bernie Nevas hjave searched greater Danbury for a place to build a Maharishi Peace Palace a place where people can learn and practice transcendental meditation, a technique made famous by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a guru who once served as spiritual guide to The Beatles. The Nevases, a married couple from Weston, are part of an international movement led by the Maharishi to spread peace, transcendental meditation and ancient teachings from India around the globe. After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the Maharishi gave his followers a mission: to build 2,400 Peace Palaces in the United States and 3,000 palaces worldwide. The idea is to have powerful, positive, peaceful vibes flow out of the Peace Palaces and into the surrounding communities, therefore making the world a more peaceful place. Advertisement Click for Larger Image UNITED METHODIST NEW FAIR 1 BEAVER BOG RD NEW FAIRFIELD CT 06812 NEWFAIRFIELDUMC.ORG What we're offering is all kinds of peace-creating technologies. That means peace for the individual and peace for the environment. Transcendental meditation is the primary technique that we teach, Terry Nevas said. Practitioners repeat a mantra silently to reach a state of deep relaxation and pure consciousness. Studies have shown this reduces blood pressure, lowers cholesterol, and even strengthens the immune system. Not everyone, however, is fond of the Maharishi. In fact, some say he's the charismatic leader of a sprawling group that treats him like a god. The Maharishi controls a vast business and real estate empire worth $3 billion to $5 billion, according to various news reports, though some estimates place the empire's worth as high as $9 billion. Rick Ross, a cult expert who runs the Rick Ross Institute in New Jersey and its associated Web site, said the Peace Palace effort is nothing more than a way for the Maharishi to make money on real estate. Many of these proposed Peace Palaces never come to fruition. Much of Maharishi's vast fortune is in real estate investments, Ross said. Frequently what he does is buy and hold properties. Eventually he'll dump it and make some money that way. The two-story, 12,000-square-foot Peace Palace is envisioned as an enlightenment center where people can practice transcendental meditation, relax in a Maharishi spa, take classes in Maharishi consciousness-based education or purchase a book on Raam Raj organic clothing. While Terry and Bernie Nevas are running ads in newspapers that claim the palace is to be built in Danbury, they've yet to find suitable land. Finding a spot for a Maharishi Peace Palace isn't easy. The Maharishi gives specific requirements governing what type of land is suitable. The land can't be too close to high-tension wires or graveyards. Also, the land can't have large hills that block rays from the east side of the building for more than 12 minutes after the sun comes up. That last requirement is proving to be a real pain in the neck for the effort to spread peace locally. The Nevases hope to construct two buildings one for women, the other for men. They had their eyes on some land in New Milford, but too many hills blocked the horizon. They've also looked in Ridgefield and Danbury. The topography of Danbury is very difficult. There are hills all over the place, Terry Nevas said. The Maharishi, through myriad non-profit corporations such as the Global Country of World Peace and the Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corp., owns land all over the United States. The Maharishi International University was founded in 1973 in Fairfield, Iowa. It later changed its name to the Maharishi University of Management. In 2001, Maharishi followers incorporated Maharishi Vedic City, five miles away from the university. All buildings in the burgeoning town are built according to the principles of Vedic architecture, which is akin to feng shui. The structures use only nontoxic materials and solar energy. Robert Phipps, executive vice president of the Fairfield Chamber of Commerce, said the meditators have transformed the Fairfield area into a haven for artists, artisans and entrepreneurs. I would not say it is a cult, Phipps said. They have had a tremendous effect
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die/Create more satva
Of course Bush isn't the only one, who is representative, of the Old Guard. There are many; but since George was born into the whole structure, and has no concept of what the rest of us have to deal with; He is the perfect one to reflect the ignorance, which he is in. It's really not his fault; it's a matter of consciousness. He's just acting out the part, that really no one else, wishes to act out. As far as the rise of consciousness in this country and throughout the world; As the old ways of doing things; fail, then a new structure will have to come into exsistence. Even this hurricane, blew the image of the United States, as the invincible Superpower; When the whole world got to see; That we're all just human. And that the United States, has karma to pay also; We certainly aren't above karma. But at a certain point; The old structure is destined to collapse; And nature abhors a vacumn. One thing that may be helpful; In our analysis of Bushy, and what is happening and what has happened; One thing I heard, is that George Bush, is embodying, everything, about the old system; old paradigm, that needs changing. Like the dying Old Guard; he 'stays the course' and holds the vibration of this old dying paradigm. So, in a way, he is helping to reveal, what doesn't work anymore. He is helping us all to see the hypocrisy of it all. So, like Hitler, who gave us an example, of what not to do, what not to be; We now have our George, 'keeping the course', as we watch the whole thing collapses. snip I agree. The one thing Bush has held to consistently is the old way of doing or not doing things. Even his excuses and the excuses of those around him are textbook reactive small minded thinking. He is a perfect mirror of the old imperialist, class warfare, capitalist system. However I also see some elements of this on the Democratic side, mainly in the form of exhausted reactive diatribes against those in power. So the lines cannot be cleanly drawn between red and blue, D vs. R, etc. The one thing is clear is that Bush represents the purest thinking of the old guard, and a lot of people have woken up to the fact that it doesn't work well (though I see a lot of denial too). Now, whether that creates a higher consciousness in the U.S., or merely creates a permanent group of 50% P.O'd electorate remains to be seen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die/Create more satva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Bush isn't the only one, who is representative, of the Old Guard. There are many; but since George was born into the whole structure, and has no concept of what the rest of us have to deal with; He is the perfect one to reflect the ignorance, which he is in. It's really not his fault; it's a matter of consciousness. He's just acting out the part, that really no one else, wishes to act out. As far as the rise of consciousness in this country and throughout the world; As the old ways of doing things; fail, then a new structure will have to come into exsistence. Even this hurricane, blew the image of the United States, as the invincible Superpower; When the whole world got to see; That we're all just human. And that the United States, has karma to pay also; We certainly aren't above karma. But at a certain point; The old structure is destined to collapse; And nature abhors a vacumn. I like your observation that the whole mirage of the U.S. as Superpower has been blown away by H. Katrina. However, is the old structure 'destined to collapse'? Looks to me like it is putting up one hell of a fight. And though we hear it often, does nature in fact abhor a vacuum? Isn't outer space largely a vacuum, and isn't that mostly what we see our visible universe consisting of? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Gurus do not ask for anything. They are givers and take only a devotees sins. I was with ya up to the last sentence. I'm asking because I'm always curious when I run into someone who believes that a guru can take a devotee's sin or somehow mitigate his karmas. What do you think is the *mechanism* by which this is accomplished? As I understand karma, I don't see it as possible. I certainly believe it's possible that a teacher can speed up the student's ability to work through and process his own karma, but to resolve it or make it go away? Can't see how that could work. So I'm curious, since you seem to believe in your own last line above, how you envision this happening, how you think it works. Thanks in advance. Anyone else who has a theory can chime in, too, if they'd like. Unc OK, here's my chime- what I have experienced is that karma has two elements, the karma of thought and the karma of action, though it is the karma of thought which is most powerful. What I mean is, it is the repetitions of our thoughts which manifest results, either presenting a situation which we may then act upon, or manifesting a reality of which we are then a part of, and may act within. This occurs whether we want it to or not, because it is the law of cause and effect; karma. The awareness we have of our thoughts and thinking process determines the karma that we live. If we perform an action and then anticipate its result, either joyfully or fearfully, that is what will come back to us. We constantly create and recreate our reality. The function of a Guru in this process is twofold. One, the Guru's presence can clear our mind, purify it, so that we are more aware of the future effects we are thinking up for ourselves, and two, the presence of the Guru purifies our mind so that we naturally create more pleasing karma for ourselves vs. living the effects of impure thoughts. Nicely said. I can generally buy that, because it puts the resolution of the samskaras right in the lap of the person who created them. What you explained is basically what I had in mind when I said that a teacher could speed up the resolution of karmas. My issue is with the oft-repeated and oft-believed idea that the guru is somehow absorbing or resolving the karmas him- or herself. That -- the concept of grace -- seems to me to be unnecessary for the proper functioning of evolution and realization of enlightenment, and from an Occum's Razor point of view, I tend to write off the unnecessary as unlikely. In other words, in my view the universe works perfectly well as the interplay of karma and free will. Add a third element -- grace -- which by definition would violate this interplay, and you've unnecessarily complicated your model. But to each his own... An alternative to being at the effect of personal karma is to stop thinking. By this, I mean becoming established in that reality which is beyond thinking. By doing this, we leave it to Brahman to deliver our karma to us. We no longer create it, and instead always effortlessly enjoy good karma. I experience this, though I am not sure of the mechanics of it. It just works- must have something to do with enjoying the immense bliss of the Creator after subsuming ourselves to Him/Her. Interestingly, I can grok what you're saying and identify with it, even though I personally believe neither in a Creator or a Creation. The description of the effect and the enjoyment of the effect remains the same whether you believe that the Absolute has sentience and intent of its own or not. Go figure. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/6/05 9:55 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does jibe with the build it and they will come attitude about the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. Yeah, I guess the question is who will come? And if both Governors and pundits are coming, how will that work? And if neither of those come, then it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to invite refugees rather than leave the place empty. Rather than a compassionate gesture? They're not in the habit of making those. I figured the PR angle would appeal to them. *** There are no jobs for NO refugees in Fairfield, not in the kind of numbers that are needed, so it would be pretty pointless to just house people for a while, especially since that housing is available elsewhere. Looks like a few refugees might go to private homes in Ottumwa http://tinyurl.com/8x6qu So how about it, Rick, you gonna invite a refugee into your home in Fairfield? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/6/05 9:55 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does jibe with the build it and they will come attitude about the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. Yeah, I guess the question is who will come? And if both Governors and pundits are coming, how will that work? And if neither of those come, then it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to invite refugees rather than leave the place empty. Rather than a compassionate gesture? They're not in the habit of making those. I figured the PR angle would appeal to them. *** they don't want to come to Iowa, anyway, it appears (who could blame them): http://tinyurl.com/7gq6f Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
on 9/7/05 3:18 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** There are no jobs for NO refugees in Fairfield, not in the kind of numbers that are needed, so it would be pretty pointless to just house people for a while, especially since that housing is available elsewhere. Looks like a few refugees might go to private homes in Ottumwa http://tinyurl.com/8x6qu I called the Ottumwa City Council and they said these plans are up in the air because the refugees who were slated to come here don't want to come to Iowa. I was going to send out a notice to the Amma mailing list. Still will if it looks like they're coming. I noticed on http://www.hurricanehousing.org/ that there are lots of offers from Iowa City and Cedar Rapids. Don't know how many takers. So how about it, Rick, you gonna invite a refugee into your home in Fairfield? I would like to but we work at home and our place is pretty small. I was thinking of setting up our camper in the driveway, but the weather will be getting colder. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] another technology of maharishi vedic science
.. Learning to Read the Vedic Literature in Devanagari: A natural, simple, systematic, effortless technology of Maharishi Vedic Science"The perfect orderliness of the Sanskrit language creates orderliness and balance in the brain physiology, expands the memory, and purifies the physiology. When reciting the Vedic language, the brain functions from more silent levels, increasing peace and harmony in the mind, and unfoldingdeeper levels of consciousness." - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Part-time Sanskrit Courses -- Beginner and AdvancedBeginners: The Department of Maharishi Vedic Science is offering a part-time Sanskritcourse for beginners starting Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 7:45 p.m. inthe Dreier Building, room 114.The one-credit course will last three months. There will be a meeting once aweek, on Tuesdays, from 8:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m., and a weekly optionalmeeting (recommended) at a time convenient to the students. The courserequires regular home practice of the materials covered in each lesson. Bothundergraduate and graduate credit are available.For more specific information about the course, please call 472-3189.Pre-registration is necessary. To register, Call 472-1144 (campus extension 1144).The fee for this one-unit credit-bearing course is $350. Full-time facultyand full-time Ideal Administrators may apply for full tuition scholarshipsthrough the Dean of Faculty or Personnel Offices.Advanced:Part-time Sanskrit II Course(open to people who took the Sanskrit I course in Spring, and to others whoalready read)The Department of Maharishi Vedic Science is offering a part-time SanskritII course starting Friday, September 9, 2005, at 7:45 p.m. in the DreierBuilding, room 114.The one-credit course will last three months. There will be a meeting once aweek, on Mondays, from 8:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Both undergraduate andgraduate credit are available.For more specific information about the course, please call 472-3189.Pre-registration is necessary. To register, Call 472-1144 (campus extension1144).The fee for this one-unit credit-bearing course is $350. Full-time facultyand full-time Ideal Administrators may apply for full tuition scholarshipsthrough the Dean of Faculty or Personnel Offices.***DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements to theMaharishi University of Management community. Send your announcements to[EMAIL PROTECTED]Encourage your friends to sign up for DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS. Send an e-mailmessage to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and put the word "subscribe" (without thequotation marks) in the body of the message. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes look at Fairfield. That infinite compassion is obvious. A teacher who won't even let his students sit in the same room with him, even for a million from those foolish enough to offer? A teacher who gives nothing to the University he founded. (without a price) A teacher who has given no new knowledge in decades. A teacher who complains. A teacher whose MAPI business offers audio cassettes in a time of cd's and charges $200.00 for the cd of Vishnu Sahasranama! $200.00!!! for the 1000 names of the Lord. According to those ancient scriptures he has purportedly enlivened, that man who sells Veda is surely going to Hell. Gurus do not ask for anything. They are givers and take only a devotees sins. I was with ya up to the last sentence. I'm asking because I'm always curious when I run into someone who believes that a guru can take a devotee's sin or somehow mitigate his karmas. What do you think is the *mechanism* by which this is accomplished? As I understand karma, I don't see it as possible. I certainly believe it's possible that a teacher can speed up the student's ability to work through and process his own karma, but to resolve it or make it go away? Can't see how that could work. So I'm curious, since you seem to believe in your own last line above, how you envision this happening, how you think it works. Thanks in advance. Unc, Sin then Karma? Or karma which creates the sin. Vicious cycle as the Samskaras form from repetition according to Vasishta. I do not understand how this all works. I only know what I have absorbed from scripture and what my Sadguru says. Whether it is through the knowledge He reveals or personal intervention, I know not. Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji makes it very clear that I must face my karma. Somehow in the machinations Sadguru softens the blows and remains the anchor. Without any doubt this has been made clear. Hari Om Tat Sat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are concerned). They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was to study the inferior culture, but others were very impressed with Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). IMO, Willytex should have stopped at correcting you and not gone into a typical rant, but that's his choice. He got so excited he began making numerous typos (spurrious instead of spurious, and underserving instead of undeserving), and then closed with a profound 8-year old slam - You suck! Most impressive... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana granthas [validating texts] to ashes. You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. And obviously, as a knower of Yogis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
Maybe I'll forward these comments on to the Amma folks. on 9/7/05 3:56 PM, Cliff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are concerned). They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was to study the inferior culture, but others were very impressed with Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). IMO, Willytex should have stopped at correcting you and not gone into a typical rant, but that's his choice. He got so excited he began making numerous typos (spurrious instead of spurious, and underserving instead of undeserving), and then closed with a profound 8-year old slam - You suck! Most impressive... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana granthas [validating texts] to ashes. You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. And obviously, as a knower of Yogis To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, who was first on the list, and became Shankarachara -- so it was a bit more interesting, with a thicker plot -- than your account suggests. If the cook was Shantanand and he was suspected of murder why did the Swami Svarupanand invite him to the birthday celebration reported by Kropinsky? I for one would not rule out Colonial Mustard. I heard food poisoning. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My, don't we feel wonderfully exclusive and supremely fortunate. on 9/7/05 12:20 PM, George DeForest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi's Definition of Heaven on EarthMaharishi's faultless vision, timeless wisdom and infinite compassion for all mankind are obvious in the following Definitions of Heaven on Earth. Having a vision of what Heaven on Earth can be like is not enough to live in heaven. Maharishi has brought out the easily learned procedures necessary for bringing heavenly life to earth. No other teacher of any time or place, besides Maharishi, has been blessed with the knowledge capable of bringing heavenly life to earth and the means to fulfill that ideal of life. With today's fast pace of life and communication everyone can learn what is necessary to bring heaven to their life and their society. Maharishi has made creation of Heaven on Earth simple, reliable and easily achieved. He has enlivened the ancient procedures, developed the necessary programs, tested their validity, published the results and invited every government and every family to adopt this knowledge. Never before has such true compassion been displayed on Earth. SOURCE: http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Heaven_on_Earth.html Says someone whose guru answers questions by referring to her own nickname. At least MMY doesn't say to reporters, in response to questions, Maharishi's TM is the solution to all problems. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
Where have you been, Sparaig? Maharishi often uses his own name in precisely this context - Maharishi Stapathya Veda will revolutionize..., or Maharishi Ayur Veda will save the world..., etc. He has his title and face all over everything! Haven't you noticed? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My, don't we feel wonderfully exclusive and supremely fortunate. on 9/7/05 12:20 PM, George DeForest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi's Definition of Heaven on EarthMaharishi's faultless vision, timeless wisdom and infinite compassion for all mankind are obvious in the following Definitions of Heaven on Earth. Having a vision of what Heaven on Earth can be like is not enough to live in heaven. Maharishi has brought out the easily learned procedures necessary for bringing heavenly life to earth. No other teacher of any time or place, besides Maharishi, has been blessed with the knowledge capable of bringing heavenly life to earth and the means to fulfill that ideal of life. With today's fast pace of life and communication everyone can learn what is necessary to bring heaven to their life and their society. Maharishi has made creation of Heaven on Earth simple, reliable and easily achieved. He has enlivened the ancient procedures, developed the necessary programs, tested their validity, published the results and invited every government and every family to adopt this knowledge. Never before has such true compassion been displayed on Earth. SOURCE: http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Heaven_on_Earth.html Says someone whose guru answers questions by referring to her own nickname. At least MMY doesn't say to reporters, in response to questions, Maharishi's TM is the solution to all problems. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I was going to talk about the Muslims, but I didn't know if they were responsible for burning literature. I do know that they were responsible for defacing every image of every god they found in temples - they would chip off toes or hands or breasts or heads as to a Muslim, any image is profane. But where do you come up with 75+ million dead? That's an awfully large number to just throw out with no reference and no backup. In all the reading I've done from the first Turk invaders of the 1100s up to the Mughal Empire, which fell in the mid-1800's to the British, there's never been any mention of genocide. On the contrary, there are frequent mentions of Mugahl emperors being great patrons of Hindu culture and thought. I did note your (perhaps), but that's sort of like me saying, Vaj is (perhaps) responsible for the slaughter of thousands of Fairfield resident pets completely out of the blue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really the Muslims and the Sufis who should be disparaged (if anyone) for having destroyed entire lines. Indeed they are (perhaps) responsible for the largest genocide ever known: 75+ million Indians slaughtered On 9/7/05 4:56 PM, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are concerned). They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was to study the inferior culture, but others were very impressed with Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Orleans from a geopolitical perspective
New Orleans: A Geopolitical Prize By George Friedman The American political system was founded in Philadelphia, but the American nation was built on the vast farmlands that stretch from the Alleghenies to the Rockies. That farmland produced the wealth that funded American industrialization: It permitted the formation of a class of small landholders who, amazingly, could produce more than they could consume. They could sell their excess crops in the east and in Europe and save that money, which eventually became the founding capital of American industry. But it was not the extraordinary land nor the farmers and ranchers who alone set the process in motion. Rather, it was geography -- the extraordinary system of rivers that flowed through the Midwest and allowed them to ship their surplus to the rest of the world. All of the rivers flowed into one -- the Mississippi -- and the Mississippi flowed to the ports in and around one city: New Orleans. It was in New Orleans that the barges from upstream were unloaded and their cargos stored, sold and reloaded on ocean-going vessels. Until last Sunday, New Orleans was, in many ways, the pivot of the American economy. For that reason, the Battle of New Orleans in January 1815 was a key moment in American history. Even though the battle occurred after the War of 1812 was over, had the British taken New Orleans, we suspect they wouldn't have given it back. Without New Orleans, the entire Louisiana Purchase would have been valueless to the United States. Or, to state it more precisely, the British would control the region because, at the end of the day, the value of the Purchase was the land and the rivers - which all converged on the Mississippi and the ultimate port of New Orleans. The hero of the battle was Andrew Jackson, and when he became president, his obsession with Texas had much to do with keeping the Mexicans away from New Orleans. During the Cold War, a macabre topic of discussion among bored graduate students who studied such things was this: If the Soviets could destroy one city with a large nuclear device, which would it be? The usual answers were Washington or New York. For me, the answer was simple: New Orleans. If the Mississippi River was shut to traffic, then the foundations of the economy would be shattered. The industrial minerals needed in the factories wouldn't come in, and the agricultural wealth wouldn't flow out. Alternative routes really weren't available. The Germans knew it too: A U-boat campaign occurred near the mouth of the Mississippi during World War II. Both the Germans and Stratfor have stood with Andy Jackson: New Orleans was the prize. Last Sunday, nature took out New Orleans almost as surely as a nuclear strike. Hurricane Katrina's geopolitical effect was not, in many ways, distinguishable from a mushroom cloud. The key exit from North America was closed. The petrochemical industry, which has become an added value to the region since Jackson's days, was at risk. The navigability of the Mississippi south of New Orleans was a question mark. New Orleans as a city and as a port complex had ceased to exist, and it was not clear that it could recover. The Ports of South Louisiana and New Orleans, which run north and south of the city, are as important today as at any point during the history of the republic. On its own merit, POSL is the largest port in the United States by tonnage and the fifth-largest in the world. It exports more than 52 million tons a year, of which more than half are agricultural products -- corn, soybeans and so on. A large proportion of U.S. agriculture flows out of the port. Almost as much cargo, nearly 17 million tons, comes in through the port -- including not only crude oil, but chemicals and fertilizers, coal, concrete and so on. A simple way to think about the New Orleans port complex is that it is where the bulk commodities of agriculture go out to the world and the bulk commodities of industrialism come in. The commodity chain of the global food industry starts here, as does that of American industrialism. If these facilities are gone, more than the price of goods shifts: The very physical structure of the global economy would have to be reshaped. Consider the impact to the U.S. auto industry if steel doesn't come up the river, or the effect on global food supplies if U.S. corn and soybeans don't get to the markets. The problem is that there are no good shipping alternatives. River transport is cheap, and most of the commodities we are discussing have low value-to-weight ratios. The U.S. transport system was built on the assumption that these commodities would travel to and from New Orleans by barge, where they would be loaded on ships or offloaded. Apart from port capacity elsewhere in the United States, there aren't enough trucks or rail cars to handle the long-distance hauling of these enormous
[FairfieldLife] 'Iran Offers Oil/Bush Says No!'
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 7,12:54 PM ET TEHRAN, Iran - Iran offered to send the United States 20 million barrels of crude oil in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina if Washington waived trade sanctions, but a State Department official said Wednesday that offer was rejected. In a gesture that mirrors American aid offers after a devastating 2003 earthquake in Iran, Tehran's envoy to the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries said his government would ship up to 20 million barrels of oil, state radio reported late Tuesday. "If U.S. sanctions are lifted, Iran is prepared to send that quantity of oil to America," the radio quoted Hossein Kazempour as saying. But in Washington, the State Department's executive secretary, Harry K. Thomas Jr., said the offer was rejected because it was conditional. Last week, the Iranian Foreign Ministry offered to send relief supplies to the American Red Cross' name=c1> SEARCHNews | News Photos | Images | Web' name=c3> American Red Cross; Iranian newspapers reported that no response had been received. Iran's offers reciprocates the goodwill that the United States displayed after an earthquake flattened the southeastern Iranian city of Bam in 2003, killing more than 26,000 people. The United States flew in emergency supplies, which were gratefully unloaded at an Iranian airport. The Bam gesture did not, however, lead to an improvement in relations. The United States and Iran have had no diplomatic relations since militants stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and held its occupants hostage in 1979. Washington then imposed a range of sanctions on Iran. The United States accuses Iran of sponsoring terrorism and secretly trying to build nuclear bombs charges that Iran denies. Hurricane Katrina has severely disrupted U.S. oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico and reduced the country's refining capacity by more than 10 percent. Thomas said the United States has accepted offers of nearly $1 billion in assistance from some 95 countries after Hurricane Katrina. Cuba offered to send medical personnel. Washington and Havana do not have diplomatic relations, and the United States has had trade sanctions on Cuba since 1963. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said earlier that the offer was being considered.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I'm sympathetic, Vaj, but so far I see nothing but hearsay, and it contradicts anything I've ever read. Do you have anything other than your own feelings on the subject? Any historical references? Otherwise, the figure is so large and so unsupported that I have to dismiss it as something you have personaly concocted in a vacuum of real information. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/7/05 7:38 PM, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to talk about the Muslims, but I didn't know if they were responsible for burning literature. I do know that they were responsible for defacing every image of every god they found in temples - they would chip off toes or hands or breasts or heads as to a Muslim, any image is profane. Yeah, they destroyed many of the tantras. Of the 84 tantras, only a few survive. But where do you come up with 75+ million dead? That's an awfully large number to just throw out with no reference and no backup. In all the reading I've done from the first Turk invaders of the 1100s up to the Mughal Empire, which fell in the mid-1800's to the British, there's never been any mention of genocide. On the contrary, there are frequent mentions of Mugahl emperors being great patrons of Hindu culture and thought. It is a ballpark figure, because it would be impossible to know for certain. I've heard figures as high as 80 million and as low as 60--so I *assume* a more median figure. Therefore my assumption. Either way, it ain't good Cliff. Keep in mind, to a devout Muslim, a pagan is the epitome of someone worth slaughtering (i.e a worshipper involved in figures or images, etc.) I could go on, but this is a controversial topic, to say the least. Suffice to say many of the Sufi saints of India were famous for one thing: having slaughtered Hindus. Not a very saintly thing, is it? If this is new to you, I suggest you look further, but as I indicated, it ain't a pretty picture. Can you imagine living side-by-side with a culture or religion that considers people who slaughtered your kin saints for having killed them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
Excerpt from David Frawley's _Awaken Bharata_. As with any excerpt or review, if you like it, buy the book and if you like the book, tell your friends. Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism Hindus are inclined to accept anything that calls itself religion, particularly if it is also mystical. They would like to believe that all mystical states are valid and that all religions are true. This exposes them to manipulation by groups who use a religious or mystical appearance to promote their own agendas that may be anti-Hindu in nature. It is also contrary to their tradition. The Hindu Yoga tradition is well aware of the fact that there are many different states of altered consciousness or mysticism. Not all of these are true, much less wholesome. There are various types of mysticism from what is little more than black magic to the highest Self-realization, and even experiences of Self-realization can be partial or mixed with lesser states. The Yoga tradition relates that even Asuras, beings of great pride and ambition, take to Yoga practices to gain greater powers to further their aim of world domination. Religion, on one hand, has certainly been the greatest help for humanity in our eternal quest of Self-realization. Yet, on the other hand, it has also caused the greatest harm, inciting every sort of crime justified by the name of God. Religion can be not only the means of eradicating our human ego and its intractable biases, it can become the last and greatest attachment for the ego and the place in which our deepest prejudices can hide. Superstitions and hatreds can rest unquestioned in religion, particularly when they are attributed to God or his will. That individuals may have mystical experiences, therefore, does not necessarily indicate that they have gone beyond the limitations of the human ego. Major human faults can still exist in a person who can achieve genuine mystical states, if his development is not comprehensive or complete. Mystics can become greater religious fanatics than ordinary people if they take their experiences too personally. Some mystical states can exaggerate human emotions creating a superego, a being who has a greater awareness to manipulate others for his own ends. Such powerful egos can strongly impact society, as when the masses fall under the influence of a misguided charismatic mystic or religious leader. Such superegos themselves want to become God or his only representative, which affords them great power and authority. Their mystical experiences cause people to blindly follow them, which leads to aggression and destruction. The spiritual realm therefore is not just a realm in which we can advance into divinity; it contains an antithetic possibility of drawing out subhuman or anti-divine forces. Even a person who at times can speak the highest wisdom can fall into pride and anger, if he is not careful. Even good mystics can be so blinded by their idealism and otherworldliness that others can manipulate them for worldly aims. Such a naive saint can be used as an image of holiness to justify religious aggression by the church or religious order. In addition, even if the attainments of a mystic are entirely wholesome, his teaching can be misunderstood and distorted by his followers. This usually begins after the death of the mystic but sometimes its starts while he is still alive. Disciples of great teachers may not themselves be great and can become fanatics of another type, warring with one another for control of the teacher's memory and the resources of his organization. They may use the image of the great teacher to further their own private ambitions or to promote their own personal prejudices. This is quite common when religions become institutions or gain government or military patronage. Misguided followers can turn a spiritual teaching aimed at self-development into a religious ideology aimed at world domination. DEVIC AND ASURIC MYSTICISM Mysticism therefore can be divided into two basic types, what can be called the light and dark, or pure and impure. The first, I would call Devic mysticism, after the term Deva or Godly, which exists for purposes of union with the Divine or higher Self. It is based upon yogic principles of truthfulness, non-violence and tolerance and emphasizes yogic practices of self-control, asceticism and meditation. It is an internal mysticism that has no external need to convert the world to a belief. Devic mysticism promotes Devic qualities of love, peace, selflessness and compassion. The second could be called Asuric mysticism, after Asura for demon, titan or anti-god, subtle beings of great pride, ambition and cunning. Asuric mysticism exists for promoting power or domination and projects a subtle but powerful ego. It is mixed with non-yogic values and practices like intolerance, aggression, and violence. Asuric mysticism works through Asuric qualities of anger, hatred, pride and vengeance. Though it may employ internal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/7/05 8:21 PM, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sympathetic, Vaj, but so far I see nothing but hearsay, and it contradicts anything I've ever read. Do you have anything other than your own feelings on the subject? Any historical references? Otherwise, the figure is so large and so unsupported that I have to dismiss it as something you have personaly concocted in a vacuum of real information. Perhaps when I have some time, I can do your research for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
Great excerpt! A little long, but fascinating- especially so because the author is careful not to fall into a simplistic discussion of 'good' vs. 'evil', but rather the necessary tension between the world's vital forces. Thanks for posting this! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excerpt from David Frawley's _Awaken Bharata_. As with any excerpt or review, if you like it, buy the book and if you like the book, tell your friends. Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
Gladly Jim! If I can find the chapter after this, I'll post that as well... On 9/7/05 9:00 PM, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great excerpt! A little long, but fascinating- especially so because the author is careful not to fall into a simplistic discussion of 'good' vs. 'evil', but rather the necessary tension between the world's vital forces. Thanks for posting this! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] New Orleans from a geopolitical perspective UK already had treaty rt.of navigation of Miss
This was affirmed inthe treaty ending the American revolution, Treaty of Paris. Rt to navigate the miss from mouth to head waters Canada.-Original Message-From: Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:55:37 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Orleans from a geopolitical perspective New Orleans: A Geopolitical Prize By George Friedman The American political system was founded in Philadelphia, but the American nation was built on the vast farmlands that stretch from the Alleghenies to the Rockies. That farmland produced the wealth that funded American industrialization: It permitted the formation of a class of small landholders who, amazingly, could produce more than they could consume. They could sell their excess crops in the east and in Europe and save that money, which eventually became the founding capital of American industry. But it was not the extraordinary land nor the farmers and ranchers who alone set the process in motion. Rather, it was geography -- the extraordinary system of rivers that flowed through the Midwest and allowed them to ship their surplus to the rest of the world. All of the rivers flowed into one -- the Mississippi -- and the Mississippi flowed to the ports in and around one city: New Orleans. It was in New Orleans that the barges from upstream were unloaded and their cargos stored, sold and reloaded on ocean-going vessels. Until last Sunday, New Orleans was, in many ways, the pivot of the American economy. For that reason, the Battle of New Orleans in January 1815 was a key moment in American history. Even though the battle occurred after the War of 1812 was over, had the British taken New Orleans, we suspect they wouldn't have given it back. Without New Orleans, the entire Louisiana Purchase would have been valueless to the United States. Or, to state it more precisely, the British would control the region because, at the end of the day, the value of the Purchase was the land and the rivers - which all converged on the Mississippi and the ultimate port of New Orleans. The hero of the battle was Andrew Jackson, and when he became president, his obsession with Texas had much to do with keeping the Mexicans away from New Orleans. During the Cold War, a macabre topic of discussion among bored graduate students who studied such things was this: If the Soviets could destroy one city with a large nuclear device, which would it be? The usual answers were Washington or New York. For me, the answer was simple: New Orleans. If the Mississippi River was shut to traffic, then the foundations of the economy would be shattered. The industrial minerals needed in the factories wouldn't come in, and the agricultural wealth wouldn't flow out. Alternative routes really weren't available. The Germans knew it too: A U-boat campaign occurred near the mouth of the Mississippi during World War II. Both the Germans and Stratfor have stood with Andy Jackson: New Orleans was the prize. Last Sunday, nature took out New Orleans almost as surely as a nuclear strike. Hurricane Katrina's geopolitical effect was not, in many ways, distinguishable from a mushroom cloud. The key exit from North America was closed. The petrochemical industry, which has become an added value to the region since Jackson's days, was at risk. The navigability of the Mississippi south of New Orleans was a question mark. New Orleans as a city and as a port complex had ceased to exist, and it was not clear that it could recover. The Ports of South Louisiana and New Orleans, which run north and south of the city, are as important today as at any point during the history of the republic. On its own merit, POSL is the largest port in the United States by tonnage and the fifth-largest in the world. It exports more than 52 million tons a year, of which more than half are agricultural products -- corn, soybeans and so on. A large proportion of U.S. agriculture flows out of the port. Almost as much cargo, nearly 17 million tons, comes in through the port -- including not only crude oil, but chemicals and fertilizers, coal, concrete and so on. A simple way to think about the New Orleans port complex is that it is where the bulk commodities of agriculture go out to the world and the bulk commodities of industrialism come in. The commodity chain of the global food industry starts here, as does that of American industrialism. If these facilities are gone, more than the price of goods shifts: The very physical structure of the global economy would have to be reshaped. Consider the impact to the U.S. auto industry if steel doesn't come up the river, or the effect on global food supplies if U.S. corn and soybeans don't get to the markets. The problem is that there are no good shipping alternatives. River transport is cheap, and most of the commodities we are discussing have low value-to-weight
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/7/05 4:56 PM, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are concerned). They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was to study the inferior culture, but others were very impressed with Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). I don't know anything about Indian history, but have studied european colonization and know the british were thoroughly racist and generally attempted to stamp out the culture of those they conquered as part of a strategy of keeping them divided and weak. I've studied african drumming and the traditional rhythms have been preserved in parts of west africa colonized by the french who were more tolerant of the indigenous culture than the british. I'm sure there were some nice intellectuals back in england like cs lewis who liked what was being sent back but who was on the ground in india doing the preserving? any non-english references?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/7/05 8:21 PM, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sympathetic, Vaj, but so far I see nothing but hearsay, and it contradicts anything I've ever read. Do you have anything other than your own feelings on the subject? Any historical references? Otherwise, the figure is so large and so unsupported that I have to dismiss it as something you have personaly concocted in a vacuum of real information. Perhaps when I have some time, I can do your research for you. Right, and when Geo. W. Co. have some extra time, they can take a look at what went wrong with Katrina. Better to get it right the first time dude. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
TM sidha Howard Stern often cracks jokes about his having a small penis. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bet his unhappy wife got it for him without his knowing about it. No man would ever get the plate for himself. Unless he had that rare ability to laugh at himself and not be terribly concerned with his image. I once saw Burt Reynolds on a talk show, and was a little impressed by how natural and self-effacing he was. The subject of Oscars came up, and the host said he felt Burt's best shot at one (at the time) had been in Deliverance. Burt agreed, but reminded the host that the film came out the same year as his semi- nude foldout photo in Cosmo, with Burt reclining à la Playboy, with just one hand covering his privates. He said that he'd gotten a lot of flack from Academy members over that, and it probably killed any chance he might have had of winning. But then he said, Still, I don't regret it. After all, it was a pretty risky thing for me to do -- I have very small hands. Big laugh. Sometimes you can avoid being perceived as a big dick by pretending to have a small one. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vanity plate seen on a Hummer in Aspen: http://bbs.chrismoore.com/images/splicense.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Austin's NOLA guests = crime wave
I was very heartened and warmed by Mayor Wynn's statements reported in today's Austin American Statesman that our NOLA guests are welcome to stay in Austin for as long as they like. The mayor went on to say that Austin's infrastructure, geography and economy can absorb any NOLA guests who want to stay and make Austin their home. I then spoke with a number of Austin City Police officers some friends, some I just walked up to on Sixth Street. They blurted out that there has been a sudden increase in car breakins downtown starting the day the buses carrying our guests arrived. There have also been a sizeable number of arrests of people for smoking crack, right out in the open on Red River and Neches just north of the Salvation Army and ARCH. They gave their current residence as one of our two shelters for NOLA guests and previous to that NOLA. I had heard on the radio station in Georgetown which carries interviews and other such programs of such people as the owner of PrisonPlanet.com, a website Rick quoted a few days ago, that there was a concern that suddenly the country is filled with people with who knows what kind of past. I just blew it off until I heard about the crime wave downtown appears to be experiencing. Perhpas MUM and VC weren't so unfeeling and cruel after all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism interesting post... the two general modes of consciousness, material vs spiritual, is an ancient topic. there is a story in Upanishads of the first time the devas and asuras approached Prajapati for knowledge of the Self. The asuras failed the test, and mistook self for Self, whereas the devas inquired further and came to know the true Self. see the upanishad at -- http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe01/sbe01168.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
You've got it the wrong way round. Reynolds takes a risk because his small hands, he implies, may not be up the task of covering the large thing that needs to be covered. I wonder why Turquoise got that wrong. Eager to find consolation in the fact that there are others of small dimensions, perhaps? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once saw Burt Reynolds on a talk show, and was a little impressed by how natural and self-effacing he was. The subject of Oscars came up, and the host said he felt Burt's best shot at one (at the time) had been in Deliverance. Burt agreed, but reminded the host that the film came out the same year as his semi- nude foldout photo in Cosmo, with Burt reclining à la Playboy, with just one hand covering his privates. He said that he'd gotten a lot of flack from Academy members over that, and it probably killed any chance he might have had of winning. But then he said, Still, I don't regret it. After all, it was a pretty risky thing for me to do -- I have very small hands. Big laugh. Sometimes you can avoid being perceived as a big dick by pretending to have a small one. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vanity plate seen on a Hummer in Aspen: http://bbs.chrismoore.com/images/splicense.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got it the wrong way round. Reynolds takes a risk because his small hands, he implies, may not be up the task of covering the large thing that needs to be covered. I wonder why Turquoise got that wrong. Eager to find consolation in the fact that there are others of small dimensions, perhaps? Well, I am sure all on FFL join me in honoring you as, obviously, a big swinging dick. No other accolade or honor is higher than this, no higher human virtue can be obtained. All honor to thee Feste. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once saw Burt Reynolds on a talk show, and was a little impressed by how natural and self-effacing he was. The subject of Oscars came up, and the host said he felt Burt's best shot at one (at the time) had been in Deliverance. Burt agreed, but reminded the host that the film came out the same year as his semi- nude foldout photo in Cosmo, with Burt reclining à la Playboy, with just one hand covering his privates. He said that he'd gotten a lot of flack from Academy members over that, and it probably killed any chance he might have had of winning. But then he said, Still, I don't regret it. After all, it was a pretty risky thing for me to do -- I have very small hands. Big laugh. Sometimes you can avoid being perceived as a big dick by pretending to have a small one. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vanity plate seen on a Hummer in Aspen: http://bbs.chrismoore.com/images/splicense.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Austin's NOLA guests = crime wave
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was very heartened and warmed by Mayor Wynn's statements reported in today's Austin American Statesman that our NOLA guests are welcome to stay in Austin for as long as they like. The mayor went on to say that Austin's infrastructure, geography and economy can absorb any NOLA guests who want to stay and make Austin their home. I then spoke with a number of Austin City Police officers some friends, some I just walked up to on Sixth Street. They blurted out that there has been a sudden increase in car breakins downtown starting the day the buses carrying our guests arrived. There have also been a sizeable number of arrests of people for smoking crack, right out in the open on Red River and Neches just north of the Salvation Army and ARCH. They gave their current residence as one of our two shelters for NOLA guests and previous to that NOLA. I had heard on the radio station in Georgetown which carries interviews and other such programs of such people as the owner of PrisonPlanet.com, a website Rick quoted a few days ago, that there was a concern that suddenly the country is filled with people with who knows what kind of past. I just blew it off until I heard about the crime wave downtown appears to be experiencing. Perhpas MUM and VC weren't so unfeeling and cruel after all. The sample you are citing is small and subjective. Just because these unfortunate souls have been bussed in from the remains of New Orleans doesn't mean they are an instant crime wave. You should look a little deeper my friend, for the good in these people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] How Bushy Says thanks For the recount
Two Bush 2000 Florida recount aides were rewarded with top FEMA posts Reversing an eight-year crusade to rid the now-embattled Federal Emegency Management Agency of political patronage, a newly elected George W. Bush in 2001 named two key players in his Florida recount fight to important FEMA posts. Neither man, Jacksonville attorney Reynold Hoover (pictured at left) and Miami lawyer Mark Wallace, had any experience in emergency management before they were named by the Bush administration to FEMA, now under fire for its botched response to Hurricane Katrina. Hoover, a longtime explosives expert with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms who became a lawyer in 1996, is still with FEMA as its director of national security coordination. Wallace left the Bush administration in 2004 to become deputy manager of the president's re-election campaign, and is now a lobbyist. They are two more names to add to the list of political appointees and out-and-out hacks at FEMA. Many are calling for the firing of agency chief Michael Brown, the ousted head of a horse association who was hired at FEMA in 2001 along with his college roommate, top Bush advisor Joe Allbaugh. And it was reported yesterday that FEMA's No. 2 and No. 3 officials, Patrick Rhode and Scott Morris, are also former campaign aides. Consider this quote: FEMA is widely viewed as a 'dumping ground,' a turkey farm, if you will, where large numbers of positions exist that can be conveniently and quietly filled by political appointment, the preliminary report said. This has led to a situation where top officials, having little or no experience in disaster or emergency management, are creating substantial morale problems among careerists and professionals. Appropriate in the wake of the agency's bungled efforts over the last 10 days in Louisiana and Mississippi? Yes -- but the above quote is from 1992, during the administration of George H.W. Bush. It came from a preliminary report from the staff of the House Appropriations Committee, and it was written before FEMA came under fire that year for a tardy response to Florida's Hurricane Andrew. (Note: Any article not linked came from the Nexis search engine.) The Andrew debacle was one of many factors in the first President Bush's failed re-election bid. They say that good government is good politics, and so when Bill Clinton arrived at the White House in 1993, he made a serious effort to rid FEMA of political hackery. Clinton hired a professional, James Lee Witt, to run the agency and that May Witt told a Senate Appropriations subcommittee, according to a Washington Post article, that FEMA 'will not be doing business as usual' and that he was committed to making his organization 'one of the most respected agencies in this nation.' Did he succeed? Here's what the Atlanta Journal-Constitution wrote in a January 1996 editorial: FEMA has developed a sterling reputation for delivering disaster- relief services, a far cry from its abysmal standing before James Lee Witt took its helm in 1993. How did Witt turn FEMA around so quickly? Well, he is the first director of the agency to have emergency-management experience. He stopped the staffing of the agency by political patronage. He removed layers of bureaucracy. Most important, he instilled in the agency a spirit of preparedness, of service to the customer, of willingness to listen to ideas of local and state officials to make the system work better. But if Clinton and Witt stopped the staffing of FEMA by political patronage, George W. Bush re-started it within days of taking the oath of office -- rewarding some of the people who'd helped him become president in the grueling 2000 Florida recount. One of those was Wallace (pictured at left) -- a young lawyer who, according to a July 14, 2002, article by the Miami Herald's Carol Rosenberg -- fought on behalf of the GOP in Palm Beach County during the butterfly ballot brouhaha. He was hired in 2001 as FEMA's general counsel and was the chief lawyer for the agency on its Sept. 11 recovery effort. After his 2004 stint as a top official in the Bush campaign, he was hired in March as a D.C. lobbyist for a Florida-based law firm, Akerman Senterfitt. Hoover, the former ATF agent turned attorney, was active in the Duval County GOP at the time of the Florida recount, and because a point man in the Jacksonville area. He initially served as FEMA's chief of staff for a time, but he's currently listed on the agency's organizational chart as director of the Office of National Security Coordination. Of course, we all know that Bush has rewarded a number of people who went to bat for him in Florida in 2000 with plum jobs. One of those is his new UN ambassador John Bolton, who -- as the Herald article reminds us -- [burst] into a Tallahassee library on behalf of the Bush-Cheney campaign to stop a recount of Miami-Dade
[FairfieldLife] Re: Austin's NOLA guests = crime wave
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While not arguing, it prompts me to think: what is good in people, what is bad in people, what is simple karma returning to people, and what are agents of change aka destruction and creation operators -- without value judgements? And what is perfect, and what is not? (In more detail, what is perfect within the larger and largest cycles of change, and what is not?) Not a POV, just questions. What is my city, where races get on relatively well (though many of the police are anti-black to the point of chanting burn baby burn on their police car radios when a black nightclub bured down) and crime is relatively low, going to do now with crime imported directly from NOLA? Not just a question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
All over the world the Asuric force is predominant. We live in an age of power, propaganda, and commercialism, which all have an Asuric appeal. To counter this the Devic force must arouse itself and take humanity in a new direction. If Devic traditions cannot arise and challenge this Asuric dominance, then its negative energy and destructive consequences are bound to increase. COMMENT: H. Sounds like an excuse to promote the growth of Hindu extremism, to me. Too bad, too, that even the Christian religion has also been prone to the excesses of egotism and materialism. Actually, the second message of Christ, which was to Love your neighbour as your self, (the first message was to love God with all your heart) is the only religious precept that I can personally live with, one hundred percent. Christ, when he came to earth, truly revolutionised his world by this radical concept - that true maturity and strength of character (which in my books is another form of enlightenment) is NOT defined by wealth, status, or power, but by degrees of humility, compassion, and the ability to walk a mile in another's shoes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Austin's NOLA guests = crime wave
Somehow the most miserable creatures come out during the worst times. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While not arguing, it prompts me to think: what is good in people, what is bad in people, what is simple karma returning to people, and what are agents of change aka destruction and creation operators -- without value judgements? And what is perfect, and what is not? (In more detail, what is perfect within the larger and largest cycles of change, and what is not?) Not a POV, just questions. What is my city, where races get on relatively well (though many of the police are anti-black to the point of chanting burn baby burn on their police car radios when a black nightclub bured down) and crime is relatively low, going to do now with crime imported directly from NOLA? Not just a question.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Austin's NOLA guests = crime wave
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The sample you are citing is small and subjective. Just because these unfortunate souls have been bussed in from the remains of New Orleans doesn't mean they are an instant crime wave. You should look a little deeper my friend, for the good in these people. And also be skeptical of what you hear. The same kinds of stories have been circulating in Baton Rouge, and there--in addition to the tales about shootings and so on in New Orleans itself--they apparently have almost no basis. Here's a story from the Chicago Tribune: http://tinyurl.com/9ex96 A piece from ReasonOnline about the tales in New Orleans, pointing out that they may well have been responsible for many deaths because of the suspension of relief activities for fear of the nonexistent violence: http://tinyurl.com/9326z A long commentary from Digby's Bblog on the long history in the United States of white racism fueling such rumors and people dying as a result: http://tinyurl.com/asodf Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got it the wrong way round. Reynolds takes a risk because his small hands, he implies, may not be up the task of covering the large thing that needs to be covered. Exactly. No need to dis poor uncs penis. I am sure it is fulfilling to some, if not many. Perhaps even all. The twins appear to enjoy it. And the point that someone else made, as many have in the past: the pen is mightier than the penis. That is, and this is a question, don't mature and intelligent women get turned on more by intellect and humor than a big swinging dick? Or are the primal mechanics such that dick size overwhelms any appreciation of other factors? Its certainly an interesting question from the POV of evolution and natural selection. Do mature, intelligent and spiritual woman feel that a big swinging dick is more of an approximation of the imenseness and infinity of Shiva, and therefore, the propietor of such is more worthy of shiva-like worship and adoration? If so, is a man seen a necessary conduit for such worship and adoration to Shiva -- the Unmanifest? I wonder why Turquoise got that wrong. Eager to find consolation in the fact that there are others of small dimensions, perhaps? Interestingly, the last time he told this story over on alt.m.t, he said he'd read it in a Playboy interview with Reynolds. It does sound like something Reynolds might say, except in fact in the Cosmo spread it isn't his hands covering his privates; it's part of his arm and the way his legs are positioned. Which makes me think it may have been a talk show after all, and the gag was written for him. As far as I'm concerned, Burt Reynolds never needed to do another thing to justify his existence after the Cosmo spread. I still have it tucked away somewhere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] This is a really bad sign
There is increasing evidence that FEMA has been directed to restrict press coverage of the Katrina disaster. From Kevin Drum's Political Animal blog at WashingtonMonthly.com: Reuters: The U.S. agency leading Hurricane Katrina rescue efforts said Tuesday that it does not want the news media to photograph the dead as they are recovered. Bob Brigham: We are in Jefferson Parish, just outside of New Orleans. At the National Guard checkpoint, they are under orders to turn away all media. All of the reporters are turning they're [sic] TV trucks around. Salt Lake Tribune: '[FEMA has] people here who are search-and-rescue certified, paramedics, haz-mat certified,' said a Texas firefighter. 'We're sitting in here having a sexual-harassment class while there are still [victims] in Louisiana who haven't been contacted yet.' The firefighter, who has encouraged his superiors back home not to send any more volunteers for now, declined to give his name because FEMA has warned them not to talk to reporters. Brian Williams, NBC News: While we were attempting to take pictures of the National Guard (a unit from Oklahoma) taking up positions outside a Brooks Brothers on the edge of the Quarter, the sergeant ordered us to the other side of the boulevard. The short version is: there won't be any pictures of this particular group of guard soldiers on our newscast tonight. http://tinyurl.com/8hyhr Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Karmic Response'/'We Invade Iraq'/'Mother Nature Slams Us?'
Funny how God works in strange ways: What we give, we get back; Revenge is mine, said God. So, perhaps, the invasion and destruction of Iraq; It's infrastructure; it's poor and defenseless; When we bombed, watching, "Look How We Can Shock and Awe". We watched the bombs fall, and lightup the sky; Live on CNN. Now we see the reaction; Nature's might; in New Orleans; And surrounding areas. And the folly of man. And how the whole world sees our 'Superpower'; For what it is; Like the Titanic. Arrogant to think we couldescape forever, The wrath of God; For our nation's invasion; And thedestruction of Iraq. Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
markmeredith wrote: I don't know anything about Indian history, but have studied european colonization and know the british were thoroughly racist and generally attempted to stamp out the culture of those they conquered as part of a strategy of keeping them divided and weak. Speaking of racism, have you read the Laws of Manu, Mr. Meredith? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Karmic Response'/'We Invade Iraq'/'Mother Nature Slams Us?'
condense to 5 7 5 and I will actually read you. ELSE ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny how God works in strange ways: What we give, we get back; Revenge is mine, said God. So, perhaps, the invasion and destruction of Iraq; It's infrastructure; it's poor and defenseless; When we bombed, watching, Look How We Can Shock and Awe. We watched the bombs fall, and light up the sky; Live on CNN. Now we see the reaction; Nature's might; in New Orleans; And surrounding areas. And the folly of man. And how the whole world sees our 'Superpower'; For what it is; Like the Titanic. Arrogant to think we could escape forever, The wrath of God; For our nation's invasion; And the destruction of Iraq. - Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: markmeredith wrote: I don't know anything about Indian history, but have studied european colonization and know the british were thoroughly racist and generally attempted to stamp out the culture of those they conquered as part of a strategy of keeping them divided and weak. Speaking of racism, have you read the Laws of Manu, Mr. Meredith? Are you soliciting minors Mr Williams???! Laws of Meru clearly sanction abduction as a legitimate mode of Vedic Marriage. Are you a perv? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for re-posting this. It was interesting to read again, and explains a lot. For anyone who didn't read it, I've edited it down to a shorter length below. A few random thoughts: I know that Maharishi started out to spiritually regenerate the earth, but I didn't think of that as recreating a Vedic civilization, as Bevan says he's been trying to do. That goal -- a return of Vedic civilization -- explains the extreme policies so at odds with American cultural norms. He's at the end of his life and is running out of time, so he's establishing the rules he'd want to have in place, even if they seem premature. I was also struck on this reading by the blaming of American TM teachers for the country's low state of consciousness. You want to micromanage the organization, Maharishi? Fine. But don't blame us if your management leads to failure. --snip-- With this knowledge, after 50 years, such a Rakshasa in the most creative country in the world - we have not done justice to the knowledge. If a Rakshasa is created in the most creative country in the world, then the consciousness is weak. Of course he could be wrong [snip] The focus on Maharishi's knowledge on the part of many American teachers and governors on this, is just not there. Without at least some attention by the teachers, that precious gift, that ability to bring about the fulfillment of Maharishi's vision of Heaven on Earth, is lost. Maharishi said he trained tens of thousands of teachers in the U.S. If there are say, 20,000 teachers, and each teacher taught the TM Technique to just two people a year, this alone would create 40,000 new meditators and potential sidhas each year. I'd be glad to teach many more than 2 people a year and could do so quite easily, if the organization that I'm supposed to represent didn't make it nearly impossible to do so. I also notice that the few remaining teachers that are trying to pump out PR for the Peace Palaces are having to defend themselves in print over innuendos of fraud about land and real estate and cultism. That did not happen nearly as much when TM was actually taught as a technique to release stress, improve health and expand consciousness. The organization has expended all the capital that has be built up in the public mind over the last 30 years on ideas that will generate almost no results. Sad - I hope David Lynches foundation is beyond the control of the TMO . Maybe a few people can actually be taught. The movement didn't fail - it was killed. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
Well, I suppose I have to respond to the things that Tom says in some way. I've been organizing yagyas for about 10 years now and have used the best resources available to me; primarily priests in Kanchipuram who were trained in the Shankara tradition. They've done really well for the group over the years. They are well trained and honest people. My goal was to honor their skill and traditions by providing them with well paid employment to use their skills and knowledge for our benefit. Actually the one thing that I heard consistently from priests in India was that Maharishi paid them very well. It really seemed to make a difference in the enthusiasm that they displayed in their work. I took my cue from that. We paid our priests, on average $40 a day for 5-7 hours of work. Certainly well paid from an India point of view and I think that is as it should be. Priests are very interesting individuals when you get to know them. They use the same mantras that we do in TM, but use them differently. From my experience they are in a different sort of state because their life is focused on devotion and the perfection of the puja and yagya rituals. They certainly experience transcendence. So we shouldn't be too quick to judge them and their practices. They are simply different. Tom very generously participated in a maha sponsor program along with several others who were instrumental in establishing our facility in Kanchipuram. In return the priests added their names to the sponsor list (sankalpam) of every yagya that took place in the facility. This is consistent with the traditions of temples and priests; honoring those who make it possible for the yagya to take place. They were grateful to Tom and the others for their support. That's not stealing. I taught a lot of people in my TM days and I find that yagyas are much like that experience; works really well for most and about the worst that happens is that sometimes people feel nothing. If Tom feels better results from his new yagya source, then bless him. I'm all for success wherever it comes from, but that success doesn't invalidate the efforts of other individuals like myself or any other yagya organizers. I'd rather not pass judgement on Tom in a public place and I'll trust that the readers of FFL will come to their own conclusions. There's lots of information on puja.net and I'm always happy to respond to emails. Ben Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
