[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 10/2/05 7:49 PM, sinhlnx at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The problem arises since Ramana Maharshi himself stated that any > > talk of "I'm Enlishtened" is a lot of nonsense since there's no "I" > > left to claim it. > > Everyone assumes Ramana Maharishi was enlightened. How did he convey that > fact? What phrases or descriptions of his own state did he use to convince > everyone? Do those in his lineage use similar phrases or descriptions, or do > they go on to say things Ramana never would have said? Good question! (from sinhlnx/matrixmonitor). In short (IMO - but not being an expert on Ramana - just a TM practitioner who combines TM with devotion to Him), trying to answer the above questions by parts: a. How did he convey that fact? Ans: first, from Ramana's own description of his merging into the Self on July 17th, 1896. It's very convincing, and I may come back tomorrow to write down his own words. a(2) Second, after his Enlightenment "experience" (note - there definitely were psycho/physical symptoms accompanied with Ramana's realization, a fact that I tried to emphasize in my previous post). And, since such symptoms do occur, it would be less than totally correct to say that Enlightenment can't be described. Apart from the Transcendental component, there are physiological correlates going along with stress release. And, although release of the "knots" has been described in ancient literature, MMY is definitely the first Guru to attempt describing the higher states of consciousness in terms of their physiological correlates of stress release; as we define stress in modern terms (especially since Hans Selye). Ramana - although describing certain psychophysiological symptoms, definitely didn't make the connection that MMY did, as a formal concept. a(3) Next, he conveyed the fact as a living embodiment of Skanda Himself, able to "suck" people into the Self merely by being in his presence. The very first recorded instance of this by a Westerner was the Theosophist T.H. Humphreys, who happened to find Ramana somehow, ventured into his cave, and was overwhelmed by the Radiance of His Being. a(4) during the early part of Ramana's career, we have the testimony of various other reputable Sages who met Him, and attested to His realization. a(5) later in Ramana's career, we have the testimony of various other people who became Enlightened in His presence, and then made outright claims of Enlightenment for themselves. Such testimonies are recorded in the works of David Godman, such as 1. The book "No Mind, I am the Self" by Godman, being a biography of a certain Laksmana who around 1947 became Enlightened in Ramana's Presence, and wrote "I have realized the Self" and handed the note to Ramana. Ramana is then said by observers to turned up his eyebrows, smiled and given some type of silent affirmation. But let's stop here: none of these circumstantial lines of evidence alone is proof of Ramana's attainment; but taken as a whole, especially the collected works of Ramana (he didn't write much, most of the collected works were recorded by others); there can be no doubt!...but again, this is not a mathematical proof. If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment, then there is a general concensus even among other Sages such as Adi Da, Swami Sivananda, Yogananda, and philsophers such as Ken Wilber; that Ramana was not only Enlightened, but was the "greatest" Sage of the 20th century. Some Buddhists may disagree with Wilber's conclusion. I would rank Guru Dev on the same level, personally. a(6) next, we have numerous inner plane experiences of countless people (myself among them), who have had remarkable encounters with Him, attesting (at least) to His Power; and further lending weight to the conclusion at hand; although I would hasten to add that I also have had a remarkable inner plane experience with Satan, but would not count that as a similar type of evidence. We must examine the lasting influence of the evidence...does it/they to lead in the long run (such inner plane experiences)to one's further progress on the Path, even culminating in Self-Realization ? (as in the case of some of the Neo-Advaitins who count Ramana as their teacher). Having said this we can list as a(7) Ramana's collected works, which I will refer to tonight in hopes of finding a statment of His at least close to an outright declaration of having realized the Self; if not something like "I realized the Self on July 17th, 1896", at least something close to it. a(8) Next, we can certainly count on the testimony of HWL Poonja, who became Enlightened in Ramana's Presence, whose many words have been recorded by David Godman and others. Again, we may attempt to pinpoint an outright declaration of Self-Realization but failing that, we have several volumes of HWL Poonja's statements regarding the nature of Enlightenment (but again falling short of MMY
[FairfieldLife] 500-1 odds on Bush going Muslim
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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Yoga Laugh"
Lol ! Yea I really like the 'laughing without sound' bit. Classic. I am transformed. Cheers Rick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.stupidvideos.com/Default.asp?VideoID=1006 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
on 10/2/05 7:49 PM, sinhlnx at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The problem arises since Ramana Maharshi himself stated that any > talk of "I'm Enlishtened" is a lot of nonsense since there's no "I" > left to claim it. Everyone assumes Ramana Maharishi was enlightened. How did he convey that fact? What phrases or descriptions of his own state did he use to convince everyone? Do those in his lineage use similar phrases or descriptions, or do they go on to say things Ramana never would have said? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How do we convince others that we are enlightened? It has always > > worked for me on a frequency level, like a radio. Whenever I am in > > the presence of someone enlightened, my body resonates at that > > frequency of Wholeness. it is simple, obvious and unmistakable. > > The same can be said to happen when in proximity to charimatic, > wealthy and attractice people too. > Just some more subjective stuff arising from feelings etc.. > You are right, it is a resonant frequency with the beautiful and charismatic, though a different 'station' tuned in on the radio. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Danger - Cow's Milk Causes Diabetes
Danger - Life Causes Death. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Utilities > - > > Milk & diabetes > Thursday September 29 2005 16:36 IST > > Maneka Gandhi > > > > > > Diabetes is the fastest growing health problem in the world. Type 1 diabetes is the most common kind of diabetes among children but it also appears in adulthood and patients must take daily injections of insulin for the rest of their lives. > > The pancreas is an organ that makes digestive juices and hormones. It produces hormones, like insulin, which regulate the use and storage of the body's main energy sources, sugar and fats in the cells. The insulin-producing cells are called beta cells. > > To understand its prevention, you have to understand type-1 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes is the result of the body attacking and destroying its own insulin producing beta cells in the pancreas. When these beta cells are destroyed, the body cannot produce insulin. Type 1 diabetes is diagnosed. > > When the body can't make insulin after a meal there is no insulin to open the sugar doors in the cells so the sugar cannot get into the cells. So the sugar accumulates n the blood and the blood sugar level gets much higher than it should. But the cells are starving to death in a sea of sugar. So they start to burn proteins and fats instead of sugar for energy, releasing toxins called ketones, which makes the blood acidic. So the person needs injections of insulin to open the doors and let the sugar into the cells for every meal they eat. This is type 1 diabetes. > Diabetes is neither a bacteria nor a virus nor any attacking cell. It is simply the name given to the process in which the body attacks its own beta cells. The obvious question, then, is: Why would the human body attack its own pancreas and destroy those beta cells the keep the body alive? > > All scientific research points its finger repeatedly at cow's milk. How does the body's immune system work? Your immune system is your body's police force. It is their job to protect you from your enemies, bacteria, viruses, cancer cells, anything that is not part of your normal body. When a baby is born it has a weak immature immune system. The mother's immune system identifies bacteria and viruses and secretes antibodies to counter them. These antibodies are special protein molecules that are coded for a specific virus or bacteria. Her body supplies these antibodies in her breast milk. These antibodies, made of protein, pass through the stomach undigested and are absorbed through the intestinal wall intact right into the baby's blood. > > The cow's proteins, meant for her baby calf, are fed to our children. We are releasing whole intact cow proteins into our children's blood. However some maturing immune systems recognize that these cow proteins don't belong in the human body and so they start to make antibodies against them. The immune system directs its immune cells, called T-cells to find and destroy these trespassers. > > How can this cause type 1 diabetes? Some children's beta cells make proteins that are very similar to certain proteins found in cow's milk. If they become allergic to cow protein then because their own beta cells are so similar their immune systems become confused and attack not only the foreign cow-milk proteins, but also the insulin-producing beta cells of the pancreas. Research studies have shown that all people with type 1 diabetes have developed high levels of these particular antibodies. When the beta cells are gone, the body can't make insulin anymore. > > What is the proof of what top scientists say all over the world? The incidence of type 1 diabetes in different countries directly correlates to the per capita consumption of dairy products in these countries. Those countries that drink little milk have a low incidence of type 1 diabetes. As the consumption of dairy products in a country increases so does the incidence of type 1 diabetes. > > According to the October issue of Diabetes, early exposure to cow's milk may increase the lifetime risk of developing diabetes in infants with relatives who had diabetes. At 3 months of age, infants fed cow's milk had a significantly higher immune response to cow insulin than infants who received the other formula or were breast- fed. > > The link between drinking cow's milk during infancy and the risk of developing diabetes has been strengthened by a study by researchers of the University of Helsinki who reported the findings in San Diego at the 59th Annual Scientific Sessions of the American Diabetes Association. Immunologists found as soon as cow's milk entered the body, the immune system would attack pancreas islet cells that make human insulin, which resembles bovine insulin, and would p
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting guy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "jim_flanegin" > [quoting other] > > The spiritual path is the willingness to confront yourself. To > > examine yourself and expose the lies that you have been telling > > yourself to justify doing whatever it is that you want to do. This > > is a painful, humiliating process and very uncomfortable. ...True > > spirituality means ruthless self-examination and the deepening of a > > willingness to bear whatever it takes to stay true. > > All this is good and fine. But what is the difference with long term > psycho-analysis or other "traditional" -- somewhat looked down upon > methods. Or simple building a "strong character". "ruthless > self-examination and the deepening of a willingness to bear whatever > it takes to stay true" could be the description of many protagonists > in much literature, drama and film. I don't think the process is any different. The goal may or may not be. And if the goal is absolute confrontation with and exposure of the self, then the process will be absolutely rigorous as well. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting guy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 10/3/05 3:14 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Turned on the TV at random in Hawaii recently and saw this guy, Eli > > Jaxson-Bear, speaking. Hadn't heard of him before, as I > > don't 'collect' teachers. He says some interesting things, though: > > This guy is Gangaji's husband. I don't know who Gangaji is, though there was a blond woman on stage with him, and they seemed very attuned to one another. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I seem to recall some instance in which Amma had some guys dress up > in dresses and dance before an audience. Ego busting technique I > guess. Yes, how utterly humiliating for the men. Do you think she uses the same ego-busting technique with women, having them dress up in pants and dance before an audience? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more Lynch tour
Did you notice the writer of the article has an interesting name. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/dhdel Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
On 10/3/05 10:18 AM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any drum circles folks out > there? I haven't been in a drum circle for years, but those moments are memorable. Also as a former Ft. Lauderdalian, I can appreciate the power of that place. Some of the most incredible public siddhis I have seen were in drum circles around an all night--dusk to dawn--bonfire. People handling coals with bare hands, people going into deep trances and so on. Later as a practitioner of the Chod--which was often done in lonely places at twilight--I would use a drum and bell as a trance object and then, sometimes dozens of us, would leave 'body' all at once. You want to talk about a drumming circle...whoa! Highly recommended... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hymn of the Gambler, line by line, just for "fun"
> > 1c > > sómasyeva maujavatásya bhakSó > (somasya; iva; mauja'vatasya; bhakSaH) > > Like (iva) the draught (bhakSaH) of > the soma (somasya) from Mount Muujavant > (maujavatasya) > > 1d > > vibhÍdako jÁgRvir máhyam achAn > (vibhIdakaH; jAgRviH; mahyam; achAn) > > the enlivening (jAgRviH) vibhIdaka > (vibhIdakaH) has pleased (achAn) me > (mahyam; actually dative: "for me") 2ab ná mA mimetha, ná jihILa eSá: shivÁ sákhibhya utá máhyam AsIt. (na; mA; mimetha; na; jihILe; eSA; shivA; sakhi'bhyaH; uta; mahyam; AsIt) She (eSA) does not (na) scold (mimetha) me (mA),[she is] not (na) angry (jihIle): [she] was (AsIt) kind (shivA) to friends (sakhibhyaH) and (uta) to me (mahyam). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin Beautiful! Or she could be testing to see who’s ready for total identification with Ma... I will post them if I have time later, there are entire groups of sadhus who dress as women as part of their sadhana. On 10/3/05 4:55 PM, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on 10/3/05 3:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smile, it’s alright. Transvestites are sacred—esp. to those worshipping the goddess, as it’s the perfect way for them to complete their identification with Her. It’s the fault of western repressive mores that we don’t welcome this holy practice as part of the divine scheme of things. I seem to recall some instance in which Amma had some guys dress up in dresses and dance before an audience. Ego busting technique I guess. I didn’t see it but I heard about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting guy
> All this is good and fine. But what is the difference with long term > psycho-analysis or other "traditional" -- somewhat looked down upon > methods. Or simple building a "strong character". "ruthless > self-examination and the deepening of a willingness to bear whatever > it takes to stay true" could be the description of many protagonists > in much literature, drama and film. "ruthless self-examination" could be considered a means to see clearly. This is sometimes called the path of attention and a very steep climb. Its value may be the direct engagement of those obstacles, addictions, affectations etc that clog the processes of cognition. Maybe, a person that completely lets go on the path of effortlessness and transcends all mental machinations truly attends to what is. Maybe is the key word. Attention with strain is just another binding mental influence. Expending effort to be effortless is simply absurd. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Danger - Cow's Milk Causes Diabetes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Milk & diabetes > Thursday September 29 2005 16:36 IST > > Maneka Gandhi > > > According to the October issue of Diabetes, early exposure to cow's milk may increase the lifetime risk of developing diabetes in infants with relatives who had diabetes. At 3 months of age, infants fed cow's milk had a significantly higher immune response to cow insulin than infants who received the other formula or were breast- fed. >SNIP> It makes sense that using cow's milk instead of breast-feeding would cause health problems in infancy, but diabetics are not advised to avoid milk later in life: http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/milk.jsp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Interesting guy
on 10/3/05 3:14 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Turned on the TV at random in Hawaii recently and saw this guy, Eli > Jaxson-Bear, speaking. Hadn't heard of him before, as I > don't 'collect' teachers. He says some interesting things, though: This guy is Gangaji's husband. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin on 10/3/05 3:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smile, it’s alright. Transvestites are sacred—esp. to those worshipping the goddess, as it’s the perfect way for them to complete their identification with Her. It’s the fault of western repressive mores that we don’t welcome this holy practice as part of the divine scheme of things. I seem to recall some instance in which Amma had some guys dress up in dresses and dance before an audience. Ego busting technique I guess. I didn’t see it but I heard about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] more Lynch tour
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[FairfieldLife] train noise abatement
http://tinyurl.com/a2t7u Fairfield decided not to spend the money to reduce train noise -- if trains speed up, it wouldn't have helped anyway../ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chandi Path MP3's posted
Navaratri is starting tomorrow. I tis a holiday in honor of the goddess as Divine Mother. It is traditional to recite or listen to Chandi Path during this time. I have posted the entire Chandi Path in four MP3's on www.puja.net. You'll see a link under the "What's New" section on the left side of the main page. You can listen on-line or download. Each file is about 11 MB. Chandi Path is the 700 verse story of Durga and is considered to be one long mantra. It is something of a tradition to listen to it during Navaratri as a way of "connecting" with the Divine Mother. Chandi Path comes from the Markandeya Purana and dates at around 900 BC. The rendition that I have posted is quite nicely done; not too fast and the sanskrit is clear. I have also posted a transliteration of the text. Enjoy! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Danger - Cow's Milk Causes Diabetes
Utilities Milk & diabetes Thursday September 29 2005 16:36 IST Maneka Gandhi Diabetes is the fastest growing health problem in the world. Type 1 diabetes is the most common kind of diabetes among children but it also appears in adulthood and patients must take daily injections of insulin for the rest of their lives. The pancreas is an organ that makes digestive juices and hormones. It produces hormones, like insulin, which regulate the use and storage of the bodys main energy sources, sugar and fats in the cells. The insulin-producing cells are called beta cells. To understand its prevention, you have to understand type-1 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes is the result of the body attacking and destroying its own insulin producing beta cells in the pancreas. When these beta cells are destroyed, the body cannot produce insulin. Type 1 diabetes is diagnosed. When the body cant make insulin after a meal there is no insulin to open the sugar doors in the cells so the sugar cannot get into the cells. So the sugar accumulates n the blood and the blood sugar level gets much higher than it should. But the cells are starving to death in a sea of sugar. So they start to burn proteins and fats instead of sugar for energy, releasing toxins called ketones, which makes the blood acidic. So the person needs injections of insulin to open the doors and let the sugar into the cells for every meal they eat. This is type 1 diabetes. Diabetes is neither a bacteria nor a virus nor any attacking cell. It is simply the name given to the process in which the body attacks its own beta cells. The obvious question, then, is: Why would the human body attack its own pancreas and destroy those beta cells the keep the body alive? All scientific research points its finger repeatedly at cows milk. How does the bodys immune system work? Your immune system is your bodys police force. It is their job to protect you from your enemies, bacteria, viruses, cancer cells, anything that is not part of your normal body. When a baby is born it has a weak immature immune system. The mothers immune system identifies bacteria and viruses and secretes antibodies to counter them. These antibodies are special protein molecules that are coded for a specific virus or bacteria. Her body supplies these antibodies in her breast milk. These antibodies, made of protein, pass through the stomach undigested and are absorbed through the intestinal wall intact right into the babys blood. The cows proteins, meant for her baby calf, are fed to our children. We are releasing whole intact cow proteins into our childrens blood. However some maturing immune systems recognize that these cow proteins dont belong in the human body and so they start to make antibodies against them. The immune system directs its immune cells, called T-cells to find and destroy these trespassers. How can this cause type 1 diabetes? Some childrens beta cells make proteins that are very similar to certain proteins found in cows milk. If they become allergic to cow protein then because their own beta cells are so similar their immune systems become confused and attack not only the foreign cow-milk proteins, but also the insulin-producing beta cells of the pancreas. Research studies have shown that all people with type 1 diabetes have developed high levels of these particular antibodies. When the beta cells are gone, the body cant make insulin anymore. What is the proof of what top scientists say all over the world? The incidence of type 1 diabetes in different countries directly correlates to the per capita consumption of dairy products in these countries. Those countries that drink little milk have a low incidence of type 1 diabetes. As the consumption of dairy products in a country increases so does the incidence of type 1 diabetes. According to the October issue of Diabetes, early exposure to cows milk may increase the lifetime risk of developing diabetes in infants with relatives who had diabetes. At 3 months of age, infants fed cows milk had a significantly higher immune response to cow insulin than infants who received the other formula or were breast-fed. The link between drinking cows milk during infancy and the risk of developing diabetes has been strengthened by a study by researchers of the University of Helsinki who reported the findings in San Diego at the 59th Annual Scientific Sessions of the American Diabetes Association. Immunologists found as soon as cows milk entered the body, the immune system would attack pancreas islet cells that make human insulin, which resembles bovine insulin, and would produce antibodies. At 2 years of age, 10 of 89 children getting cows milk had type I diabetes. Johns Hopkins Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto has reported similar findings. The evidence incriminating cow-milk consumption in the cause of type 1 diabetes is sufficient to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin Smile, it’s alright. Transvestites are sacred—esp. to those worshipping the goddess, as it’s the perfect way for them to complete their identification with Her. It’s the fault of western repressive mores that we don’t welcome this holy practice as part of the divine scheme of things. On 10/3/05 3:11 PM, "Jason Spock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hari Om, How can you be So cruel.?? There is absolutely no evidence to indcate that Ramana was a transvesite or had commited indescretions. This is a complex topic With, Jai Guru Dev, To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Roy Horn using TM to recover
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/051002/ap/d8cvulgo0.html "Roy Horn says "the magic is back." But two years after he was nearly killed by a tiger on stage, the magic is about walking short distances, not making elephants disappear. "I meditate a lot, but I am constantly in pain," Horn, of the famed duo "Siegfried & Roy," told the Las Vegas Sun. "I'm trying to live with this." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting guy
"jim_flanegin" [quoting other] > The spiritual path is the willingness to confront yourself. To > examine yourself and expose the lies that you have been telling > yourself to justify doing whatever it is that you want to do. This > is a painful, humiliating process and very uncomfortable. ...True > spirituality means ruthless self-examination and the deepening of a > willingness to bear whatever it takes to stay true. All this is good and fine. But what is the difference with long term psycho-analysis or other "traditional" -- somewhat looked down upon methods. Or simple building a "strong character". "ruthless self-examination and the deepening of a willingness to bear whatever it takes to stay true" could be the description of many protagonists in much literature, drama and film. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hymn of the Gambler, line by line, just for "fun"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Rgveda X 34, 1a > > > > prAvepÁ mA bRható mAdayanti... > > (pada-pATha: prAvepAH; mA; bRhataH; mAdayanti) > > > > The dangling ones (pravepAH) of > > the lofty [tree] (bRhataH) gladden > > (mAdayanti) me (mA) > > 1b > > pravAtejÁ íriNe várRtAnAH > (pravAte'jAH; iriNe; varvRtAnAH) > > [those] born in a windy place > (pravAtejAH) > as they roll (rolling: varvRtAnAH) > on the dice-board (iriNe) 1c sómasyeva maujavatásya bhakSó (somasya; iva; mauja'vatasya; bhakSaH) Like (iva) the draught (bhakSaH) of the soma (somasya) from Mount Muujavant (maujavatasya) 1d vibhÍdako jÁgRvir máhyam achAn (vibhIdakaH; jAgRviH; mahyam; achAn) the enlivening (jAgRviH) vibhIdaka (vibhIdakaH) has pleased (achAn) me (mahyam; actually dative: "for me") Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II
FEATURES - PEOPLE & LIFESTYLE Oct 4, 2005 Shirley Maclaine prefers dogs to menMonday October 3 2005 17:30 IST ANI WASHINGTON: Hollywood legend Shirley MacLaine claims that her pet pooch Terry has been instrumental in taking her mind off men.The 71-year-old actress, whose marriage to producer Steve Parker ended in divorce in 1982, insists she'd much rather spend time with her dog than be in the arms of a man.MacLaine, who had recently announced that she was on the lookout for a toyboy to satisfy her needs reveals that she has changed her mind now," she was quoted by Contactmusic,as saying. "I've got better things to do than have another love affair. I look at my dog, and I think the more I know of men, the more I love my dog," The actress is convinced she knew her pet in a previous life and was desperate to share the pooch's "views" with her fans, leading the pair to "co-write" the book Out On a Leash, Exploring Reality and Love.In MacLaine's chapter she discusses how Terry has helped her feel more centred. -OriginalMessage-- From: "Rasa Von Werder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:17:46 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II Rasa Von WerderWWW.WomanThouArtGod.comSeptember 29, 2005 Outline of Themes I. The relationships of female to female will change. There will be more open lesbian liaisons and also, women will bond in order to work together. No more scratching each other's eyes out because we are an oppressed group scrambling for the resources controlled by men. Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Artilce- David Lynch- Link included- good one!! funny
http://www.washingtonsquarenews.com/news/campus/9905.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Interesting guy
Turned on the TV at random in Hawaii recently and saw this guy, Eli Jaxson-Bear, speaking. Hadn't heard of him before, as I don't 'collect' teachers. He says some interesting things, though: I was not drawn to a spiritual life initially. Personal awakening never interested me. Like most people, I just wanted to be happy, which meant that I wanted everyone to love me and do what I wanted them to do and to be free to do whatever I wanted to do. And like most everyone else, I was not successful at this. So even though I had loving parents and a comfortable upper middle-class life, I was miserable and I made those around me miserable. A typical neurotic childhood. In 1965, I was drawn into the civil rights movement as a first-year college student, and I loved the thrill of fighting for freedom. It made me feel very alive. So I became interested in stopping the suffering in the world. I never considered stopping my own suffering. I always saw the suffering as "out there," and I would do something to change it. Also, I never saw my part in creating suffering. Suffering was always created by others: racists, capitalists, corporations. In this way, I denied my own part and also did not look at the root causes of my own suffering. This is the immaturity that precedes the spiritual search. In my attempts to stop the suffering in the world I was tested, as everyone is tested. How far was I willing to sacrifice my own comfort, my own career, my own pleasures for what I said I truly wanted? In this testing, if you stay true to something more important than your own immediate self-interest, there is a maturing, a ripening. This is the spiritual path, whether it is called spiritual or not. The spiritual path is the willingness to confront yourself. To examine yourself and expose the lies that you have been telling yourself to justify doing whatever it is that you want to do. This is a painful, humiliating process and very uncomfortable. The temptation is to sit and meditate 20 minutes a day and call it a spiritual life; to have sex and call it tantra and make believe it is spiritual. True spirituality means ruthless self-examination and the deepening of a willingness to bear whatever it takes to stay true. This is a natural ripening that leads to finding the true teacher. Note: He goes on to describe the 'true teacher' as the Self. Also appears to be familiar with Papaji, who was mentioned earlier. for more: http://www.leela.org/library/interviews/connections97.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
> > First, anyone with a thirst to let others know how enlightened they > > are is mired in deep ignorance, and is either expoliting their > > followers, or has self-esteem issues. I'd say that anyone who *cares* "how enlightened" someone other than him- or herself is is wasting a lot of energy they could be using to either help other people or have fun or both. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
Hari Om, How can you be So cruel.?? There is absolutely no evidence to indcate that Ramana was a transvesite or had commited indescretions. This is a complex topic With, Jai Guru Dev, Jason ---OriginalMessage-- From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:14:59 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin Ramana Maharshi committed indiscretions?? Oh, really? Ramana was a man dressing as a woman,or a woman dressing as a man? From: "Vaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:01:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin > >Maybe this was just to cover his own indiscretions? > Well, not really. In western terms he was a transvestite. >Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely >as part of his sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the >Goddess and a welcome sight to bless weddings in India. >The original post should have had an obligatory smiley. Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] We Got Trouble, Trouble, We Got Poor Vastu Right Here in FF City!
We Got Trouble, Trouble, We Got Poor VAstu Right Here in FF City! Harold: Well, either you're closing your eyes To a situation you do now wish to acknowledge Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated By the presence of a south facing enterances in your community. Ya got trouble, my friend, right here, I say, trouble right here in FF City. Why sure I'm a householder, Certainly mighty proud I say I'm always mighty proud to say it. I consider that the hours I spend With a paintbrush in my hand are golden. Help you cultivate horse sense And a cool head and a keen eye. Never take and try to give An iron-clad leave to yourself >From a three-barbeque flip shot? But just as I say, It takes judgement, brains, and maturity to score In the household game, I say that any boob kin take And shove a ball in a pocket (so to speak). And they call that sloth. The first big step on the road To the depths of deg-ra-Day-- I say, first, medicinal wine from a teaspoon, Then beer from a bottle!!! (Look at Rick) An' the next thing ya know, Your son is sneaking back home late Through a south facing window. And list'nin to some big out-a-town Jasper Hearin' him tell about horse-race gamblin'. Not a wholesome trottin' race, no! But a race where they set down right on the horse! Like to see some stuck-up jockey'boy Sittin' on Dan Patch? Make your blood boil? Well, I should say. Friends, lemme tell you what I mean. Ya got one, two, three, four, five, six entrances to consider. Doors that mark the diff'rence Between a gentlemen and a bum, With a capital "B," And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for Poor Vastu! And all week long your FF City Youth'll be frittern away, I say your young men'll be frittern! Frittern away their noontime, suppertime, choretime too! Walkin through south facing doors Never mind gittin' Dandelions pulled Or the screen door patched or the beefsteak pounded. Never mind pumpin' any water 'Til your parents are caught with the Cistern empty On a Saturday night and that's trouble, Oh, yes we got lots and lots a' trouble. I'm thinkin' of the kids in the knickerbockers, Shirt-tail young ones, peekin' in the non-vastu Halls of iniquity after school, look, folks! Right here in FFr City. Trouble with a capital "T" And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for poor Vastu! Now, I know all you folks are the right kinda parents. I'm gonna be perfectly frank. Would ya like to know what kinda conversation goes On while they're loafin' around that Hall? They're tryin' to out Bevon, tryin' out cubebs, Tryin' out Tailor Mades like Cigarette Feends! And braggin' all about How they're gonna cover up a tell-tale breath with Sen-Sen. One fine night, they leave the poor vastu hall, Headin' for the dance at the Arm'ry! Libertine men and Scarlet women! And Rag-time, shameless music That'll grab your son and your daughter With the arms of a jungle animal instink! Mass-staria! Friends, the idle brain is the devil's playground! People: Trouble, oh we got trouble, We go poor Vastu Right here in FF City! With a capital "T" That rhymes with "P" And that stands for Poor VAstu, We've surely got trouble! Right here in FF City, Right here! Gotta figger out a way To keep the young ones moral after school! Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble... Harold: Mothers of FF City! Heed the warning before it's too late! Watch for the tell-tale sign of corruption! The moment your son leaves the house, Does he rebuckle his knickerbockers below the knee? Is there a nicotine stain on his index finger? A dime novel hidden in the corn crib? Is he starting to memorize jokes from Capt. Billy's Whiz Bang? Are certain words creeping into his conversation? Words like 'swell?" And 'so's your old man?" Well, if so my friends, Ya got trouble, Right here in FF city! With a capital "T" And that rhymes with "P" And that stands for Poor VAstu! We've surely got trouble! Right here in FF City! Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock and the Golden Rule! Oh, we've got trouble. We're in terrible, terrible trouble. That game with the inappropriate facing walls is a devil's tool! Oh yes we got trouble, trouble, trouble! With a "T"! Gotta rhyme it with "P"! And that stands for Poor VAstu!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] "Yoga Laugh"
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I've never had much success > > > convincing myself that "if only external element A -Z were changed, > > > I'd be happier". > > So you would not be happier if people stopped, in your view, dissing > the "ballsy" Rory? (even when in reality its all back and forth fun). Good question. Sure, I experience transient desires and their fulfillment, or lack thereof, and associate feelings with those experiences. That is a joy of being alive! In fact I am more fully engage in the transient events of my life than I ever was before, paradoxically. It just doesn't go all that deep. Nor would I stake my identity on the conformance on nonconformance of some percieved outside element in my life. Rather, the challenge is always to integrate myself with that preceived outside element. Hope that answers your question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 10/3/05 1:05 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the > >>> beer that transmits the true non-dual state. > > I had my first beer in about 40 years the other day. Kirk bought a 6-pack to drink while he was cooking, and I had an entire beer. Rick starts down that dark slippery slope. I say we got trouple, trouple, right here in FF City. We got Trouble, Trouble, with a Capitol T that rhymes with P that stands for Pool! (or Purusha) (apologies to the Music Man) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we > > are enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that > > we are? > > What about - is there such a state labelled Enlightenment > and is it worthwhile attaining it? Forget about the > entertainment of lights, energy and sleep witnessing. Yes, Yes, Yes!!! The whole object of the exercise as I see it is two fold; to establish ourselves in a permanent state of non-changing existence, and therefore eliminate suffering. Everything else is either getting there, or enjoying it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
on 10/3/05 1:05 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the >>> beer that transmits the true non-dual state. I had my first beer in about 40 years the other day. Kirk bought a 6-pack to drink while he was cooking, and I had an entire beer. Really dark colored. Hardly noticed any effect. I had just cut the grass so I was hot and dehydrated. Maybe that's why. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
On 10/3/05 2:11 PM, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brahman Beer > > What can you say about it? > Not this, not this. "The Hangover that Lasts Forever" "The Beer to Have When You're Having More Than None" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
And I've never had much success > > convincing myself that "if only external element A -Z were changed, > > I'd be happier". So you would not be happier if people stopped, in your view, dissing the "ballsy" Rory? (even when in reality its all back and forth fun). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the > > > beer that transmits the true non-dual state. > > > > How would we get it to stay in the bottle? > > By using Kline Bottles. > > http://www.kleinbottle.com/kline_bottle.htm > > Alex Fantastic stuff. thanks Feel free to post links to your other kewl stuff. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
> Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT > just the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor. Brahman Beer What can you say about it? Not this, not this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
> The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we > are enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that > we are? What about - is there such a state labelled Enlightenment and is it worthwhile attaining it? Forget about the entertainment of lights, energy and sleep witnessing. > First, anyone with a thirst to let others know how enlightened they > are is mired in deep ignorance, and is either expoliting their > followers, or has self-esteem issues. Same with money, sex, fame...etc. > How do we convince others that we are enlightened? It has always > worked for me on a frequency level, like a radio. Whenever I am in > the presence of someone enlightened, my body resonates at that > frequency of Wholeness. it is simple, obvious and unmistakable. The same can be said to happen when in proximity to charimatic, wealthy and attractice people too. Just some more subjective stuff arising from feelings etc.. > As far as my own criteria for my own enlightenment, it has always > been a simple one; how much am I enjoying myself, or suffering? > Gets rid of the BS right away. ...And I've never had much success > convincing myself that "if only external element A -Z were changed, > I'd be happier". Now, THATS a viewpoint that has merit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the > > beer that transmits the true non-dual state. > > How would we get it to stay in the bottle? By using Kline Bottles. http://www.kleinbottle.com/kline_bottle.htm Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to > > > > do 'out there', such as a yagya, > > > > > > A most interesting phrase, Jim, and one that reminds me of a > Durga > > > Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back -- the first > > > such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. > > > For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, > as > > > absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual was > > > interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside the > > > physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny > > > impulses being awakened within the form with every name chanted. > > It > > > culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then > for > > a > > > number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since > awakening. > > > *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and purifying > > > experience! :-) > > > > That is amazing, and somewhat incomprehensible, though I shall > watch > > for similar the next time I find myself in such a situation. > > Yes, I didn't describe that too clearly -- it should have read, "at > the complexity of impulses being awakened within the form with all > the names chanted." Each name awakened or lit up a specific simple > impulse within the form, the whole forming a complex pattern ... > Right- I understand that. I just haven't had the experience of tracking each awakening of the specific simple impulse, and correlating that to forming a complex pattern. That is what I want to watch for. My experience is more along the lines of exclaiming, and I quote, "Wow, that was really cool! Wow! That felt great- like a shower or something!". Ah, the profundities of awakening... > :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excellent article on previous postmakes it all the more important > to formulate a set of objective/relative signs which attest to one's > Enlightenment, realization of the Self. But this is problematic > within the context of the groundrules laid out by the proponents of > Pseudo-Advaita, of where are many in the Web. A quick "google" can > uncover a few dozen of them. What's > your opinion? The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we are enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that we are? First, anyone with a thirst to let others know how enlightened they are is mired in deep ignorance, and is either expoliting their followers, or has self-esteem issues. How do we convince others that we are enlightened? It has always worked for me on a frequency level, like a radio. Whenever I am in the presence of someone enlightened, my body resonates at that frequency of Wholeness. it is simple, obvious and unmistakable. As far as my own criteria for my own enlightenment, it has always been a simple one; how much am I enjoying myself, or suffering? Gets rid of the BS right away. ...And I've never had much success convincing myself that "if only external element A -Z were changed, I'd be happier". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to > > > do 'out there', such as a yagya, > > > > A most interesting phrase, Jim, and one that reminds me of a Durga > > Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back -- the first > > such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. > > For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, as > > absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual was > > interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside the > > physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny > > impulses being awakened within the form with every name chanted. > It > > culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then for > a > > number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since awakening. > > *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and purifying > > experience! :-) > > That is amazing, and somewhat incomprehensible, though I shall watch > for similar the next time I find myself in such a situation. Yes, I didn't describe that too clearly -- it should have read, "at the complexity of impulses being awakened within the form with all the names chanted." Each name awakened or lit up a specific simple impulse within the form, the whole forming a complex pattern ... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to > > do 'out there', such as a yagya, > > A most interesting phrase, Jim, and one that reminds me of a Durga > Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back -- the first > such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. > For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, as > absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual was > interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside the > physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny > impulses being awakened within the form with every name chanted. It > culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then for a > number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since awakening. > *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and purifying > experience! :-) That is amazing, and somewhat incomprehensible, though I shall watch for similar the next time I find myself in such a situation. Perhaps I should have mentioned that I always experience huge purifications and lightness whenever listening to vedic rituals, such as the installation of the Rajas awhile back. In fact I was able to capture the chanting as mp3 files and burn them on CDs. However, rather than seeking the vedic rituals out, I am a pretty curious fellow (in both senses of the phrase I suppose...) in that I find myself led to all sorts of interesting situations, including vedic chanting when appropriate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
On 10/3/05 12:37 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's >>> a virtue; >> >> He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the >> non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't >> mean you are enlightened.' I find that very compassionate, not >> contemptuous. > > Well, actually he was saying, "I did it to get > rid of the leeches who were sticking to me" and > similar remarks (as quoted by you). I loved that. > >>> but MMY shows contempt for his students, and >>> that's not a virtue. >> >> I don't know that he has shown contempt. > > You don't believe what people have reported here? I'm not sure specifically what you are referring to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
On 10/3/05 12:22 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I am getting what you say, everyone is getting full strength > darshan / transmission from every advaiti all the time. I was speaking of Dzogchen masters in particular--not all advaitis. The teacher has to be in the primordial state. And no it's not going to apparent to all people, unless they are listening from a very relaxed, natural state. It will depend largely on your own clarity as to whether or not you'll will have recognition. But even if you don't have recognition at that time, it will be available at any other time. So you can have recognition outside of formal transmission. For example I know one person who got it in the middle of a three year retreat while he was offering the mandala. It was years later and a different place from his original pointing-out instruction. In the presence of a non-dual master who is teaching, you are entering a non-dual mandala while still living in the human realm (primarily). I would prefer not to use the word "darshan"--too ambiguous and associated with the Muktananda trip, etc. > So if everyone "gets it", regardless if their awareness is in the > "natural state" and regardless if they are aware of it, what is the > value of "close proximity" darshan? It's only a relative benefit. You have the benefit of "seeing" the master, which from the POV of the non-dual state is as pure symbol. It's just another opportunity to meet the center of the mandala. Of course you have the added benefit of interacting with sangha, receiving oral instructions, etc. There are numerous reasons as to why it is advantageous to be "in person". Even if you don't get it in this life, when you do the Big Samadhi, it will be there, as it has been countless times before. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > What's > > > > > your opinion? > > > > > > > > Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is > > > *always* > > > > some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see > > > doesn't > > > > *appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have > > certain > > > > preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don't match our > > > > perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its > fullness, > > we > > > are > > > > continually called and challenged to surrender our > > preconceptions > > > into > > > > an acceptance of that which is standing right in front of us. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Or, if this doesn't ring for us in this moment, perhaps we are > > called > > > in the opposite direction -- to completely deny everything we > have > > > identified with, until the Self stands utterly alone. Whole- > > hearted or > > > empty-hearted, the end-result would appear to be the same, so > long > > as > > > we are consistent and integral. > > > > Or inconsistent and fragmented; no matter; also good. This too, > and > > this neither. Believe in the dream or not, waking up is > inevitable, > > and we always support the dream in its entirety, whether we are > > consciously aligned with this support or not. :-( :-) :-( :-) > > > > There is no real way we can speed up or slow down the Realization > > that will never happen and that has already happened. Until we > > swallow time, and embrace the imperfection, we are swallowed by > it, > > and embraced by it. So? > > > > > :-) > > Swallowing time! I like that! Gulp... Aaaah... the taste that refreshes! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's > > a virtue; > > He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the > non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't mean you are > enlightened.' I find that very compassionate, not contemptuous. Yes. I am thinking that a taste of the non-dual, whether from a teacher or from drugs, is probably still perceived as coming from the outside; one probably then still hasn't fully understood the mechanics of ignorance and of self-recognition... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > What's > > > > your opinion? > > > > > > Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is > > *always* > > > some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see > > doesn't > > > *appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have > certain > > > preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don't match our > > > perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its fullness, > we > > are > > > continually called and challenged to surrender our > preconceptions > > into > > > an acceptance of that which is standing right in front of us. > > > > > > :-) > > > > Or, if this doesn't ring for us in this moment, perhaps we are > called > > in the opposite direction -- to completely deny everything we have > > identified with, until the Self stands utterly alone. Whole- > hearted or > > empty-hearted, the end-result would appear to be the same, so long > as > > we are consistent and integral. > > Or inconsistent and fragmented; no matter; also good. This too, and > this neither. Believe in the dream or not, waking up is inevitable, > and we always support the dream in its entirety, whether we are > consciously aligned with this support or not. :-( :-) :-( :-) > > There is no real way we can speed up or slow down the Realization > that will never happen and that has already happened. Until we > swallow time, and embrace the imperfection, we are swallowed by it, > and embraced by it. So? > > > :-) Swallowing time! I like that! Gulp... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer > > that > > > > > transmits the true non-dual state. > > > > > > > > Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT > > just > > > > the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor. > > > > > > Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor. > > > > "Retarded humor" -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is retarded > > self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? > > It may seem so for the retarded. And for the non-retarded? How does it seem? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's > > a virtue; > > He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the > non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't > mean you are enlightened.' I find that very compassionate, not > contemptuous. Well, actually he was saying, "I did it to get rid of the leeches who were sticking to me" and similar remarks (as quoted by you). > > but MMY shows contempt for his students, and > > that's not a virtue. > > I don't know that he has shown contempt. You don't believe what people have reported here? > > > > > OK, just wanted to get that straight. > > OK. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer > that > > > > transmits the true non-dual state. > > > > > > Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT > just > > > the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor. > > > > Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor. > > "Retarded humor" -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is retarded > self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? It may seem so for the retarded. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cajun Fundraiser
on 10/3/05 11:07 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Rick, > > How did it go? Very well. We maxed out on the tickets - about 250. There were all sorts of folks there - nice cross section of the community. Some who ordinarily wouldn't be caught dead at an Amma-related function. Kirk worked very hard in the kitchen, along with some great volunteers. Food was good. People put together some great decorations, especially Sweta Ports, Pete's daughter, who made about a dozen large (5') Mardi Gras masks, each one different. Waiters wore peacock feather masks. There were beads on every table and many donned them. Cajun/Zydeco dance music and dancing demonstration. Raised over $6,000. Doug Hamilton and I drove Kirk around town, campus, and Vedic City for a tour. Interesting to see all the SV houses, empty pundit housing, etc. It was interesting hanging out with Kirk for a few days. Just took him to the airport at 5:30 this morning. He's eager to get back home as he's been away since before the hurricane and has a lot of work to do to get his life back together. It was very generous of him to come up and do this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's > a virtue; He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't mean you are enlightened.' I find that very compassionate, not contemptuous. > but MMY shows contempt for his students, and > that's not a virtue. I don't know that he has shown contempt. > > OK, just wanted to get that straight. OK. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/3/05 12:04 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I must have missed that one. > > Probably not. If I am getting what you say, everyone is getting full strength darshan / transmission from every advaiti all the time. So if everyone "gets it", regardless if their awareness is in the "natural state" and regardless if they are aware of it, what is the value of "close proximity" darshan? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that > > > transmits the true non-dual state. > > > > Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT just > > the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor. > > Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor. "Retarded humor" -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is retarded self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
On 10/3/05 12:04 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I must have missed that one. Probably not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his > >>> Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. > >>> I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? > >> > >> I must have missed that. Please explain. > > > > Seems pretty self-explanatory to me. What would you > > like to have explained? > > > > And what's your response to my question? > > You're right: no. So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's a virtue; but MMY shows contempt for his students, and that's not a virtue. OK, just wanted to get that straight. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cajun Fundraiser
Rick, How did it go? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/3/05 11:50 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Funny. But ... > > > > How does any true advaiti keep it in him? I mean not everyone in the > > world gets the transmission when he gives the transmission to someone > > in darshan, do they? > > > IME, a teacher in the non-dual state is transmitting continuously if you can > listen from the natural state. And that's not merely to the human dimension. > Some teachers are also transmitting consciously to other beings. In actual > formal transmission of the state, it occurs outside of space and time. I > remember when I received the transmission of the Mind of Samantabhadra, > which is a transmission of the non-dual state--I didn't recognize it till > hours later while I was driving down the highway. In some cases it may be > days, weeks, months or years. I must have missed that one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
On 10/3/05 11:50 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Funny. But ... > > How does any true advaiti keep it in him? I mean not everyone in the > world gets the transmission when he gives the transmission to someone > in darshan, do they? IME, a teacher in the non-dual state is transmitting continuously if you can listen from the natural state. And that's not merely to the human dimension. Some teachers are also transmitting consciously to other beings. In actual formal transmission of the state, it occurs outside of space and time. I remember when I received the transmission of the Mind of Samantabhadra, which is a transmission of the non-dual state--I didn't recognize it till hours later while I was driving down the highway. In some cases it may be days, weeks, months or years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his >>> Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. >>> I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? >> >> I must have missed that. Please explain. > > Seems pretty self-explanatory to me. What would you > like to have explained? > > And what's your response to my question? You're right: no. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that > > transmits the true non-dual state. > > Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT just > the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor. Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that > > transmits the true non-dual state. > > How would we get it to stay in the bottle? Funny. But ... How does any true advaiti keep it in him? I mean not everyone in the world gets the transmission when he gives the transmission to someone in darshan, do they? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that > > transmits the true non-dual state. > > How would we get it to stay in the bottle? HA! Excellent! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange > > > with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his > > > students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on. > > > > > > Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his > > > Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. > > > I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? > > > > HA! We see what we need to see, all right. If we cannot accept > > imperfections with unconditional Love, we will see them everywhere > > until we can! > > Heck, and here I thought that if Papaji's contempt > for his students wasn't an imperfection, I didn't > have to take MMY's contempt for *his* students as > an imperfection either. > > You should be complimenting me for having managed > to turn it around and seeing perfection where I > once saw imperfection. > I thought I was! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that > transmits the true non-dual state. How would we get it to stay in the bottle? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely as part of his > sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the Goddess and a welcome sight to > bless weddings in India. In my understanding they are rather transgender people, not "mere" transvestites. > > The original post should have had an obligatory smiley. > > > On 10/3/05 9:19 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Well, not really. In western terms he was a transvestite. > > > > > > > > Oh, really? Ramana was a man dressing as a woman, > > or a woman dressing as a man? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that > transmits the true non-dual state. Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT just the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday > > night. Beer and pretzels will be served. > > So thats the non-O'Douls state. The non-"non-alcoholic" beer state. > Thus = to the drunken state. > > Did Papa-Bud give you direct transmission of the pure non-odouls > drunken state? After which did you feel a sharp slap to the forehead, > followed by seeing all the stars in the universe -- followed by > profound silence ? > > That was your forehead hitting the floor. = Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that transmits the true non-dual state. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his > > Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. > > I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? > > I must have missed that. Please explain. Seems pretty self-explanatory to me. What would you like to have explained? And what's your response to my question? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
Try the Uranus yagya. ;-) On 10/3/05 10:24 AM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Only if jewish negroes perform it. > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I wonder if that yagya can cure someone of being a >> racist scumbag. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange > > with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his > > students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on. > > > > Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his > > Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. > > I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? > > HA! We see what we need to see, all right. If we cannot accept > imperfections with unconditional Love, we will see them everywhere > until we can! Heck, and here I thought that if Papaji's contempt for his students wasn't an imperfection, I didn't have to take MMY's contempt for *his* students as an imperfection either. You should be complimenting me for having managed to turn it around and seeing perfection where I once saw imperfection. (you-know-what coming up a few lines below; you may want > to stop reading now) > > > (Seriously, stop reading now or you may get mildly irritated) > > > > (or even more than mildly irritated) > > > > (well you can't say I didn't warn you) > > > :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his > Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. > I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? I must have missed that. Please explain. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
On 10/3/05 10:08 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely as part of his >> sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the Goddess and a welcome sight >> to bless weddings in India. >> >> The original post should have had an obligatory smiley. > > Yes, especially given some of your previous > comments about masters who sleep with their > followers being "perverts." ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
Or we just see them as old friends. If we know how to relax into the natural state, we can take notice and they self-liberate--as the yogis say 'like dew in the sun'. " In self-liberation observing the object¹ (gcer-grol), by looking directly at the discursive, intuitive or super-subtle thought that is present at a given moment, what the thought is in truthwhich is also what the mental subject looking at it is in truthis recognized; in other words, the state of knowledge [Tib: rigpa, Skt: vidya] fully manifests. This has been compared to the recognition of an old friend, because what is thus recognized is one¹s own Essence. One recognizes one¹s own original face which precedes any form something more intimate and more one¹s own than the most intimate of friends. This recognition is not the recognition of an object in terms of a concept or idea, but completely surpasses that type of recognition. It¹s not that one thinks to oneself: the thought or concept now presenting itself is nothing other than the true condition or the primordial nature of all existence¹, but that the mental subject disappears together with the thought that it had taken as an object. Since the duality of a subject and an object instantly disappears, together with the importance that we normally attribute to our experience, the tensions that normally tie up our existence are instantly cut, like the string tying a bundle of wood. As soon as this happens, the primordial state manifests in absolute relaxation. This mode or capacity of liberation is illustrated with the image of recognizing an old friend¹ in many Dzogchen texts, and is indicated by the words namtok no she pe drolwa¹ (rnam-rtog ngo-shes-pas grol-ba)." On 10/3/05 10:25 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve >> conflicts primarily by making everything that is in >> disagreement with it "wrong" and everything that >> agrees with it "right." We all are such frigging >> morons! > > Or we treat any and all thoughts as just thoughts -- not giving it any > special status as "true" just because its "mine". The (trained) > intellect can help discern between thoughts that are true and useful, > and those that don't hold up, and are a relection of some inner > limitation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though, > > to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji > > is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter. > > Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He transmitted > the non-dual state to some of his American students who felt they were now > enlightened. They returned to the US and helped foster what is now termed > "pseudo-advaita--at least in the current sense, it's probably older. Andrew > Cohen was one of the "leeches" who brought back his alleged "enlightenment". > Around this that time pseudo-advaita become a larger and more noticeable > trend. > > "It seems that the pauperisation of satsang culture began after the death > of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started to claim that Poonjaji approved > their awakening.' It seems that they just took him too literally. It is an > Advaita custom to say 'you are already awakened.' This is however more a > teaching device than a reflection of reality. And even if some of his > disciples had a glimpse of awakening, Poonjaji knew very well that in most > cases neither it was permanent nor the final state. An example was Andrew > Cohen who was sent to give satsang in the west. He was meant to represent > Poonjaji and attract more westerners to Lucknow. But he and others thought > that Poonjaji actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that reason, Cohen > became very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him when he began to act > as a master. From this wound came later the magazine 'What is > Enlightenment?' which more represents Cohen's own insecurity and an > unsuccessful attempt to heal himself than a genuine search for clarity." So we see that the Jhanas are not only at the heart of his teaching, but also were at the heart of his own practise. EVEN SO, ALL EIGHT JHANAS WERE STILL NOT ENOUGH. THE BUDDHA'S "BREAKTHROUGH" TRANSPIRED ONLY AFTER HE HAD "SURPASSED" THE EIGHTH AND FINAL JHANA!! HIS AWAKENING DID NOT OCCUR "IN" THE EIGHTH JHANA BUT "BEYOND" IT. IT IS IN THAT REALM OF "BEYOND" BEYOND THE BEYOND WHEREIN THE JEWEL OF THE ANCIENTS CAN BE REALIZED BY ALL. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday > night. Beer and pretzels will be served. So thats the non-O'Douls state. The non-"non-alcoholic" beer state. Thus = to the drunken state. Did Papa-Bud give you direct transmission of the pure non-odouls drunken state? After which did you feel a sharp slap to the forehead, followed by seeing all the stars in the universe -- followed by profound silence ? That was your forehead hitting the floor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve > > conflicts primarily by making everything that is in > > disagreement with it "wrong" and everything that > > agrees with it "right." We all are such frigging > > morons! > > Or we treat any and all thoughts as just thoughts -- not giving it any > special status as "true" just because its "mine". The (trained) > intellect can help discern between thoughts that are true and useful, > and those that don't hold up, and are a relection of some inner > limitation. Here's a thought. Are *any* thoughts true and useful? And is this your thought or mine? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and > > > all, and he had a > > > > great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him. > > > > > > Why are you bringing all this up now? Peter died > > > years ago :-) > > > > Yeah, the last time he looked there was not only > > nobody there, but nobody wasn't looking neither! Old > > Peter was dead, dead as a doornail. > > > But only if you played him backwards. > > And he screamed like a banchi when we stuck the phono needle in him. "Banshee" from "Bean Sidhe," female fairy; Irish "Sidhe" apparently being cognate with Sanskrit "Siddha" ... ? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and > > all, and he had a > > > great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him. > > > > Why are you bringing all this up now? Peter died > > years ago :-) > > Yeah, the last time he looked there was not only > nobody there, but nobody wasn't looking neither! Old > Peter was dead, dead as a doornail. But only if you played him backwards. And he screamed like a banchi when we stuck the phono needle in him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
> night. Beer and pretzels will be served.
And all will be one bud wiser? (every 15 minutes).
(gretchen wilson song)
>
> --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
> >
> >
> > BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
> > FROM A PAPER BY
> > AZIZ KRISTOF
> >
> >
> >
> > INTRODUCTION
> >
> >
> > Although not always thought so as such,
> > Advaita actually falls
> > under the auspices of the three main branches of
> > VEDANTA:
> >
> >1. Dvaita Vedanta - the dualistic
> > approach
> >
> >2. Advaita Vedanta - the non-dualistic
> > approach
> >
> >3. Kevala Advaita Vedanta - the pure
> > non-dualistic school.
> >
> > The main exponent of Vedanta was the great
> > sage Adi Sankara
> > who was an adept of the Kevala Advaita Vedanta path.
> > In western
> > circles it is not unusual to blend the last two
> > together as well as
> > interposing the words Advaita and Vedanta as having
> > the same meaning,
> > becoming in a sense euphemisms of themselves
> > ("satsang" is often
> > included as well). Generally speaking it works OK,
> > but when fine
> > tuning the specifics then a more indepth process is
> > usually required.
> > (source).
> >
> > Jerry Katz, in a further clarification, in
> > his Nonduality FAQ
> > website, presents the following as well:
> >
> > Advaita means nonduality. Vedanta means "end
> > of the Veda." The
> > Vedas, the most ancient texts of Indian literature,
> > are books on
> > mythology and sacrifice. Their origins are
> > superhuman, their authority
> > divine, the Orthodox believe. The end of the Veda
> > marked the coming of
> > the Upanishads, which are books on the nondual
> > nature of reality, but
> > which offer different levels of nondual
> > understanding, and have even
> > given rise dualism, which says that God and the
> > human body are
> > eternally separate.
> >
> > Providing the Introduction:
> > the Wanderling
> >
> >
> >
> > The Dangers of Pseudo Advaita now proceeds:
> >
> > We would like to express our concern regarding
> > the recent
> > phenomenon of 'satsang-culture' which in our opinion
> > has impoverished
> > seriously the Orignial Spirit of Advaita. These days
> > many individuals,
> > who have very little or no knowledge at all about
> > the Process of
> > Awakening, feel qualified to give satsang and lead
> > other souls on the
> > Path. Enlightenment has become very cheap these
> > days. Nobody actually
> > really knows what is the meaning of this term as it
> > virtually means
> > everything and nothing. Nowadays, it is sufficient
> > to say 'I am
> > Awakened' in order to give satsang.
> >
> > Because of the unverifiable nature of
> > Enlightenment, this term has
> > been much manipulated. Satsang has been
> > Americanized. In an average
> > satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing
> > signs of euphoric and
> > unauthentic joy, while the teacher tries to look
> > like he or she is in
> > a bliss. Just like a TV show. Very few actually
> > meditate. Why to
> > meditate if we are already all Awakened?
> >
> > But Is this really Advaita? Is Advaita a poor
> > repetition of a
> > several slogans like 'There is nobody there,' 'You
> > are That,' You are
> > already Awakened' or 'There is no Path', etc.? Has
> > this anything to do
> > with teaching of great masters like N. Maharaj or
> > Sri Ramana
> > Maharishi? Ramana sat in caves for 20 years before
> > he could be really
> > complete. In his presence disciples had to meditate
> > for months and
> > years before they could receive from him the glimpse
> > of the Self.
> >
> > It is true that New Millennium is a time of
> > global awakening. But
> > this awakening is mostly partial and relative to the
> > level of most
> > people's unconsciousness. It was Jesus who said that
> > there would be a
> > time when many false teachers will teach in the name
> > of Light. It
> > seems to be happening now. Many of these teachers
> > are not necessarily
> > 'bad people' but simply unqualified and lost, in
> > truth. They have
> > believed too quickly in the thought 'I am now ready
> > to teach!'
> >
> > It seems that the pauper-isation of satsang
> > culture began after
> > the death of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started
> > to claim that
> > Poonjaji approved their 'Awakening.' It seems that
> > they just took him
> > too literally. It is an Advaita custom to say 'you
> > are already
> > Awakened.' This is however more a teaching device
> > than a reflection of
> > reality. And even if some of his disciples had a
> > glimpse of Awakening,
> > Poonjaji knew very well that in most cases neither
> > it was permanent
> > nor the final state.
> >
> >
> > An example was Andrew Cohen who was sent to
> > give satsang in
> > the w
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 10/2/05 7:55 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, he does. He is currently adding to his hand > > drum > > > > collection by seeking a doumbek on ebay. He > > might get > > > > one with jingles inside! > > Taka-dum-taka-taka-dum-dum > > > > > > I got a ghatam this summer: > > > > > > http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/ghatam.html > > > > Oooh, I want one of those! > > > > Nice drum, too. > > Too quiet for a drum circle though. They have a drum > circle here in Ft. Lauderdale on the beach every full > moon. Hundreds of people go to it. Last month I went > and played from about 8:00pm to 1:00am. There are > always about a dozen drummers there that are so good > your mouth drops open when you hear them play. These > are African and latin guys. The play polyrhythmic > subdivisions over and through foundational beats. > Incredible. For one jam I played a simple clave on a > big bass drum and everybody played around and through > it. Amazing experience. Any drum circles folks out > there? I used to live near a huge urban park and in a special spot, there was a drum cirlce every sunday afternoon. I am not a drummer, but it was fun and intresting to time my walks to go by during the cirlce. Quite a lot of talent on all sorts of drums. And rythmic / devotional dancing. And lots of herbal sacraficing it appeared (and smelled of). Lots of people apparently living in their vans would roll up and unload their drums, and all. Looked and felt like 1967. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Any drum circles folks out > there? YES -- great stuff. :-D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange > with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his > students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on. > > Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his > Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. > I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? HA! We see what we need to see, all right. If we cannot accept imperfections with unconditional Love, we will see them everywhere until we can! (you-know-what coming up a few lines below; you may want to stop reading now) (Seriously, stop reading now or you may get mildly irritated) (or even more than mildly irritated) (well you can't say I didn't warn you) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's > > > your opinion? > > > > Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is > *always* > > some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see > doesn't > > *appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have certain > > preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don't match our > > perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its fullness, we > are > > continually called and challenged to surrender our preconceptions > into > > an acceptance of that which is standing right in front of us. > > > > :-) > > Or, if this doesn't ring for us in this moment, perhaps we are called > in the opposite direction -- to completely deny everything we have > identified with, until the Self stands utterly alone. Whole- hearted or > empty-hearted, the end-result would appear to be the same, so long as > we are consistent and integral. Or inconsistent and fragmented; no matter; also good. This too, and this neither. Believe in the dream or not, waking up is inevitable, and we always support the dream in its entirety, whether we are consciously aligned with this support or not. :-( :-) :-( :-) There is no real way we can speed up or slow down the Realization that will never happen and that has already happened. Until we swallow time, and embrace the imperfection, we are swallowed by it, and embraced by it. So? > :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and > > all, and he had a > > > great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him. > > > > Why are you bringing all this up now? Peter died > > years ago :-) > > Yeah, the last time he looked there was not only > nobody there, but nobody wasn't looking neither! Old > Peter was dead, dead as a doornail. Yeah, Peter is dead; long live Peter! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve > conflicts primarily by making everything that is in > disagreement with it "wrong" and everything that > agrees with it "right." We all are such frigging > morons! Or we treat any and all thoughts as just thoughts -- not giving it any special status as "true" just because its "mine". The (trained) intellect can help discern between thoughts that are true and useful, and those that don't hold up, and are a relection of some inner limitation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though, > > to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji > > is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter. > > Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He > transmitted the non-dual state to some of his American students who > felt they were now enlightened. They returned to the US and helped > foster what is now termed "pseudo-advaita--at least in the current > sense, it's probably older. Andrew Cohen was one of the "leeches" > who brought back his alleged "enlightenment". Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on. Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
Only if jewish negroes perform it. --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder if that yagya can cure someone of being a > racist scumbag. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
--- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and > all, and he had a > > great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him. > > Why are you bringing all this up now? Peter died > years ago :-) Yeah, the last time he looked there was not only nobody there, but nobody wasn't looking neither! Old Peter was dead, dead as a doornail. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
night. Beer and pretzels will be served.
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
>
>
> BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
> FROM A PAPER BY
> AZIZ KRISTOF
>
>
>
> INTRODUCTION
>
>
> Although not always thought so as such,
> Advaita actually falls
> under the auspices of the three main branches of
> VEDANTA:
>
>1. Dvaita Vedanta - the dualistic
> approach
>
>2. Advaita Vedanta - the non-dualistic
> approach
>
>3. Kevala Advaita Vedanta - the pure
> non-dualistic school.
>
> The main exponent of Vedanta was the great
> sage Adi Sankara
> who was an adept of the Kevala Advaita Vedanta path.
> In western
> circles it is not unusual to blend the last two
> together as well as
> interposing the words Advaita and Vedanta as having
> the same meaning,
> becoming in a sense euphemisms of themselves
> ("satsang" is often
> included as well). Generally speaking it works OK,
> but when fine
> tuning the specifics then a more indepth process is
> usually required.
> (source).
>
> Jerry Katz, in a further clarification, in
> his Nonduality FAQ
> website, presents the following as well:
>
> Advaita means nonduality. Vedanta means "end
> of the Veda." The
> Vedas, the most ancient texts of Indian literature,
> are books on
> mythology and sacrifice. Their origins are
> superhuman, their authority
> divine, the Orthodox believe. The end of the Veda
> marked the coming of
> the Upanishads, which are books on the nondual
> nature of reality, but
> which offer different levels of nondual
> understanding, and have even
> given rise dualism, which says that God and the
> human body are
> eternally separate.
>
> Providing the Introduction:
> the Wanderling
>
>
>
> The Dangers of Pseudo Advaita now proceeds:
>
> We would like to express our concern regarding
> the recent
> phenomenon of 'satsang-culture' which in our opinion
> has impoverished
> seriously the Orignial Spirit of Advaita. These days
> many individuals,
> who have very little or no knowledge at all about
> the Process of
> Awakening, feel qualified to give satsang and lead
> other souls on the
> Path. Enlightenment has become very cheap these
> days. Nobody actually
> really knows what is the meaning of this term as it
> virtually means
> everything and nothing. Nowadays, it is sufficient
> to say 'I am
> Awakened' in order to give satsang.
>
> Because of the unverifiable nature of
> Enlightenment, this term has
> been much manipulated. Satsang has been
> Americanized. In an average
> satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing
> signs of euphoric and
> unauthentic joy, while the teacher tries to look
> like he or she is in
> a bliss. Just like a TV show. Very few actually
> meditate. Why to
> meditate if we are already all Awakened?
>
> But Is this really Advaita? Is Advaita a poor
> repetition of a
> several slogans like 'There is nobody there,' 'You
> are That,' You are
> already Awakened' or 'There is no Path', etc.? Has
> this anything to do
> with teaching of great masters like N. Maharaj or
> Sri Ramana
> Maharishi? Ramana sat in caves for 20 years before
> he could be really
> complete. In his presence disciples had to meditate
> for months and
> years before they could receive from him the glimpse
> of the Self.
>
> It is true that New Millennium is a time of
> global awakening. But
> this awakening is mostly partial and relative to the
> level of most
> people's unconsciousness. It was Jesus who said that
> there would be a
> time when many false teachers will teach in the name
> of Light. It
> seems to be happening now. Many of these teachers
> are not necessarily
> 'bad people' but simply unqualified and lost, in
> truth. They have
> believed too quickly in the thought 'I am now ready
> to teach!'
>
> It seems that the pauper-isation of satsang
> culture began after
> the death of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started
> to claim that
> Poonjaji approved their 'Awakening.' It seems that
> they just took him
> too literally. It is an Advaita custom to say 'you
> are already
> Awakened.' This is however more a teaching device
> than a reflection of
> reality. And even if some of his disciples had a
> glimpse of Awakening,
> Poonjaji knew very well that in most cases neither
> it was permanent
> nor the final state.
>
>
> An example was Andrew Cohen who was sent to
> give satsang in
> the west. He was meant to represent Poonjaji and
> attract more
> westerners to Lucknow. But he and others thought
> that Poonjaji
> actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that
> reason, Cohen became
> very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him
> when he began to act
> as a master. From this wound came later the magazine
> 'What is
> Enlightenment?' which more represents Cohen's own
> insecurity and an
> unsuccessful attempt to heal himself than a g
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely as part of his > sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the Goddess and a welcome sight > to bless weddings in India. > > The original post should have had an obligatory smiley. Yes, especially given some of your previous comments about masters who sleep with their followers being "perverts." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 10/2/05 7:55 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > Yes, he does. He is currently adding to his hand > drum > > > collection by seeking a doumbek on ebay. He > might get > > > one with jingles inside! > Taka-dum-taka-taka-dum-dum > > > > I got a ghatam this summer: > > > http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/ghatam.html > > Oooh, I want one of those! > > Nice drum, too. Too quiet for a drum circle though. They have a drum circle here in Ft. Lauderdale on the beach every full moon. Hundreds of people go to it. Last month I went and played from about 8:00pm to 1:00am. There are always about a dozen drummers there that are so good your mouth drops open when you hear them play. These are African and latin guys. The play polyrhythmic subdivisions over and through foundational beats. Incredible. For one jam I played a simple clave on a big bass drum and everybody played around and through it. Amazing experience. Any drum circles folks out there? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rasa Von Werder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Men who are passive and submissive to women will now be an asset, not > > a defect, as women get more macho and powerful and need simple > comfort > > and support. > > *lol* Nothing wrong with a simple reversal of roles, of course, but > how about an envisoning of a partnership of genuine equality and > balance between *two* powerful, self-actualized people? > Bringing this back to a creative projection through the body, we might see an emphasis on the dominance of matriarchy over the dominance of patriarchy as a continuation of the old see-saw of left- nostril dominance or right-nostril dominance: "Now I am dominant male (and you are submissive female)" = Pingala, right nostril; *or* "Now I am dominant female (and you are submissive male)" = Ida, left nostril. How would it be if *both* nostrils are enlivened simulataneously, and the relationship is Sushumna? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
There can never be any resolution to this debate from the side of the mind. The mind is looking for gratification through affirmation and support. The value of a teacher is in the impact they have on awakening you. This teacher could be quite a fruitloop or very traditional; very sweet and supportive or a real son-of-a-bitch. Their personality is is quite secondary to that which is awake, as it were, in them. Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve conflicts primarily by making everything that is in disagreement with it "wrong" and everything that agrees with it "right." We all are such frigging morons! --- sinhlnx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excellent article on previous postmakes it all > the more important > to formulate a set of objective/relative signs which > attest to one's > Enlightenment, realization of the Self. But this is > problematic > within the context of the groundrules laid out by > the proponents of > Pseudo-Advaita, of where are many in the Web. A > quick "google" can > uncover a few dozen of them. Most are devottes of > Ramana Maharshi, a > few of Nisargadatta Maharaj, and at least one of Adi > Da.; or in the > lineages of these people. (which is in itself a > contradiction since > Ramana Maharshi didn't setup a lineage. Gangaji > claims she is in > the "lineage" of Ramana since she is a devotee of > HWL Poonja and the > latter was a devotee of Ramana. At any rate, let's > briefly discuss > the problem involved in stating that "one" is > Enlightened ; first > within the context of the Neo-Advaitins then within > the context of > Buddhism. > 1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin "tradition": > Ramana Maharshi, HWL > Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, > Andrew Cohen, Adi Da, > etc > The problem arises since Ramana Maharshi himself > stated that any > talk of "I'm Enlishtened" is a lot of nonsense since > there's no "I" > left to claim it. This should stop a lot of > self-styled Neo- > Advaitins in their tracks straight away since lots > of them have > websites and obviously want to let on that they are > Enlightened; but > have difficulting enunciating that. They are left in > a quandary: a. > don't state it and thus potentially be left out of > the adulation they > crave by having sycophants worship them, attend > their lectures, give > donations, OR do make the bold claim and risk > contradicting Ramana's > teaching. If they go around saying "I'm > enlightened", then people > will become suspect in that making the claim > outright have resorted > to then, is to avoid certain taboo statements such > as "I'm > Enlightened" (but Andrew Cohen goes ahead and makes > such a claim > anyway).; and allude rather to certain peripheral > statements of which > there many. These are certain pet code or buzz > phrases intended to > convey the information that "I'm enlightened" ...but > not allowed to > say it outright; so I will resort to the code words. > 2. The MMY/TM org solution is to zero in in > certain symptons of > Enlightenment which must be present for those in CC > or higher but > not present in those not in CC such as continuous > Witnessing > throughout the sleep state. The shortcoming here is > that the list of > symptoms appears to be mighty short, unless there > are others conveyed > during personal communications with the bonavide > Teacher. (besides > MMY, who would these people be?). The very notion > that there are > criteria for judging whether or not people are > Enlightened is > rejected by the Neo-advaitins but is no problem for > MMY, whom in his > cleverness has (more than anybody else) seen that > for every state of > Consciousness, there are corresponding physiological > states. Although > one cannot adequately describe Enlightenment, the > physiological > components CAN be described, (somethingthe > Neo-Advaitins have > overlooked). > 3. Buddhism probably has the most complete and > through framework for > determining if the person is Enlightened; and some > of these criteria > were listed previously. > 4. Other traditions, Sant Mat for example. The > major goal here is > God Consciousness which is probably the same as GC > in MMY's scheme. A > few of the Sant Mat Gurus probably were Enlightened > but the Sant Mat > Tradition basically can't deal with the idea of > non-dualism and > there's no conceptual framework for Advaita in Sant > Mat since the > founders of that Tradition reject Shankara. > Well, that's about it. To conclude, many of the > Neo-Advaitins want to > claim Enlightenment for themselves but run into > problem since their > major founder Ramana Maharshi rejected the very idea > of a claim as > being delusional. Certain Neo-Advaitins such as > Andrew Cohen have > gone against Ramana's teachings with some risk to > their reputations; > and have indeed come up with their own long lists of > the symptoms of > Enlightenment, to wit: (Andrew's magazine Wha
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely as part of his sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the Goddess and a welcome sight to bless weddings in India. The original post should have had an obligatory smiley. On 10/3/05 9:19 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, not really. In western terms he was a transvestite. > > > > Oh, really? Ramana was a man dressing as a woman, > or a woman dressing as a man? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though, > to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji > is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter. Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He transmitted the non-dual state to some of his American students who felt they were now enlightened. They returned to the US and helped foster what is now termed "pseudo-advaita--at least in the current sense, it's probably older. Andrew Cohen was one of the "leeches" who brought back his alleged "enlightenment". Around this that time pseudo-advaita become a larger and more noticeable trend. "It seems that the pauperisation of satsang culture began after the death of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started to claim that Poonjaji approved their awakening.' It seems that they just took him too literally. It is an Advaita custom to say 'you are already awakened.' This is however more a teaching device than a reflection of reality. And even if some of his disciples had a glimpse of awakening, Poonjaji knew very well that in most cases neither it was permanent nor the final state. An example was Andrew Cohen who was sent to give satsang in the west. He was meant to represent Poonjaji and attract more westerners to Lucknow. But he and others thought that Poonjaji actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that reason, Cohen became very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him when he began to act as a master. From this wound came later the magazine 'What is Enlightenment?' which more represents Cohen's own insecurity and an unsuccessful attempt to heal himself than a genuine search for clarity." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
