[FairfieldLife] Re: India - Mirror of Truth, was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/4/06 12:36 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Paul. You saved my day. Ingegerd Don't forget that you're not going to be able to print this. You're going to have to sit at your computer for hours, reading it. Unless you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat and know how to take the print protection off, that is. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM cafe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on recent discussions, I'm going to start a cafe for TM True Believers in which they pay me $2500 for a membership, and then they get their daily lattes for free for the next two years. Given that many of these TBs can't seem to tell the difference between coming up with all the cash up front and paying as you go, I think it'll be a big success. Heck, maybe I'll even follow the *rest* of the TMO business model and get hundreds of TBs to sign up and pay their money, then close the place down after a couple of months and keep all the money. I'm sure they'd understand; they seem to when the TMO does it. I wil gladly pay you Tuesday for a Caffe Latte today. Free Wimpy Burger with every 10th cup. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding personal checking: is it confidential? That is, like the confidentiality between a doctor and a patient or a clergy and a parishioner, is what goes on in the checking room confidential? I don't remember the issue of confidentiality per se ever being brought up either on TTC or pre-TTC when I learned checking notes, but I kinda always assumed it was myself... I always considered it confidential. For example, when people talked about the kinky sex fantasies they were dwelling on instead of the mantra, I never mentioned it to anyone. Ooops. Never mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding personal checking: is it confidential? That is, like the confidentiality between a doctor and a patient or a clergy and a parishioner, is what goes on in the checking room confidential? I don't remember the issue of confidentiality per se ever being brought up either on TTC or pre-TTC when I learned checking notes, but I kinda always assumed it was myself... I always considered it confidential. For example, when people talked about the kinky sex fantasies they were dwelling on instead of the mantra, I never mentioned it to anyone. Ooops. Never mind. At least you didn't name names... yet. Who? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rapid enlightnement and global prosperity will be ensured if all people took advantage of all the Maharishi Technologies for Enlightenment. Full cost is $300,000. Which is only $3 a day over 100 years. I'd rather go whole hog and be a Raja for $10 a day over 100 years. Yeah, but if you pay in installments you have to pay for your own crown. (Or pick one up for free at Burger King.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/06 12:20:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They're living a monastic life, and are really doing it. They meditate for a living. Sponsors support them. Most of them have been doing it for decades. How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? They haven't come up with a price for that yet. LOL. But it's not as far-fetched as you think. I know of one spiritual author who offered a couple of well- known Tibetan Buddhist teachers a bribe of one million bucks each to write a blurb for the book jacket in which they declared him a tulku (recognized reincarnation of a famous teacher from the past). Both teachers laughed the author out of the room. It's just a matter of time until the TM movement figures out that there is money to be made in selling Enlightenment Authentification Diplomas. They'd sell like hotcakes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding personal checking: is it confidential? That is, like the confidentiality between a doctor and a patient or a clergy and a parishioner, is what goes on in the checking room confidential? I don't remember the issue of confidentiality per se ever being brought up either on TTC or pre-TTC when I learned checking notes, but I kinda always assumed it was myself... I always considered it confidential. For example, when people talked about the kinky sex fantasies they were dwelling on instead of the mantra, I never mentioned it to anyone. Ooops. Never mind. At least you didn't name names... yet. Who? Wild horses could not drag the names of those who indulged in such sexual fantasies from my lips, although cold cash might. I will say only that the number one fantasy sex *object* during that period was Rindy Schwartz. Go figure. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bending (aa_kuñcana) and muula-bandha?
From Yoga-kuNDalyupaniSat (kundalini-yoga): adhogatim apaanaM vai uurdhvagaM kurute balaat . aaku~nchanena taM praahurmuulabandho.ayamuchyate .. 42.. [When one] forcibly (balaat) makes (kurute) the downwardsgoing (adho-gatim) apaana upwardsgoing (uurdhva-gam) by bending(??aakuñcanena), that (ayam) is called (ucyate) muula-bandha. (taM praahur seems to be redundant: that's called). What could the bending mean? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding personal checking: is it confidential? That is, like the confidentiality between a doctor and a patient or a clergy and a parishioner, is what goes on in the checking room confidential? I don't remember the issue of confidentiality per se ever being brought up either on TTC or pre-TTC when I learned checking notes, but I kinda always assumed it was myself... I think most TM-Teacher keep confidential what is going on between Teacher and student in the checking-room. In the early-early days, before MMY trained TM-Teachers, he trained Checkers. Handed out the papers to them. It was a lot of people who knew the checking points, without being Teachers. Ingegerd Really? NOt how I was taught to be a checker. When did he hand out papers? Early in the 1960. He held checking courses for meditators in the summer courses in Norway, probably in other countries too. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: India - Mirror of Truth, was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/4/06 12:36 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Paul. You saved my day. Ingegerd Don't forget that you're not going to be able to print this. You're going to have to sit at your computer for hours, reading it. Unless you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat and know how to take the print protection off, that is. :-) I am not that patient. I try to buy the book. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. You are so right. MMY has changed his mind about loans. I remember in the early-early days that MMY said that we never should take up loans, because it made a limit to our freedom. He said that the persons or banks that gave us loans, made us as slaves - because they owned a part of us. I think that this was something he had from Guru Dev. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. You are so right. MMY has changed his mind about loans. I remember in the early-early days that MMY said that we never should take up loans, because it made a limit to our freedom. He said that the persons or banks that gave us loans, made us as slaves - because they owned a part of us. I think that this was something he had from Guru Dev. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
In case anyone should think otherwise, although it is tempting I am not championing Guru Dev's teaching, merely noting the apparent divergance of thought between MMY and his guru. There are aspects of both of their teachings that seem odd. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. You are so right. MMY has changed his mind about loans. I remember in the early-early days that MMY said that we never should take up loans, because it made a limit to our freedom. He said that the persons or banks that gave us loans, made us as slaves - because they owned a part of us. I think that this was something he had from Guru Dev. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. I doubt that it's just your opinion; that is, I suspect quite a few people share it. Materialism (the corrupting power of money and...uh...power) is one thing; that's certainly a factor in the long-term playing out of any spiritual teacher's career. One of the other factors though, one that isn't talked about as much because it's more occult, is the corrupting power of *attention*. I know of a number of spiritual teachers whose *own* spiritual teachers suggested that they were not ready to become teachers, but who did so anyway. In retrospect, it occurs to me that the thing they weren't ready for was having the attention of hundreds or thousands or even tens of thousands of students focused on them. For the people here who have been TM teachers (or teachers in other traditions) and who have stood in front of large audiences (500 to 1000 or more), you might have some idea of what I am talking about. When I used to teach the Asilomar Christmas courses, which tended to attract 500 to 1500 participants, I quickly learned that I was going to need a week to recover from teaching the course. In my case, I always arranged to hole up in a cabin in Big Sur for the week following the course and spend some time meditating and walking in the woods to recover my sanity and my sense of balance. Otherwise, I would have taken the *imbalance* I always felt after teaching those courses back with me to the Regional Office and allowed it to express itself there. It's difficult to describe to someone who hasn't been there, done that. The best I can come up with is that when you are the *focus* for a bunch of students' attention, especially if they are round- ing or practicing long meditations, you are basic- ally being *touched* by their auras when they focus their attention on you. If their attention field is experiencing some roughness or (in TM-ese) unstressing, it cannot help but affect you as well, because you are the object that their attention field is focused on. Now imagine being a young, naive guy from India who has either lived with his mother or in an ashram all his life, and who suddenly winds up not only being the object of focus of tens of thousands of TM students but the object of focus for the world press (as a result of ripping off the Beatles' share of mass attention). It would be a miracle if he *had* handled it gracefully. In my opinion, such a miracle did not occur. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: India - Mirror of Truth, was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/4/06 12:36 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Paul. You saved my day. Ingegerd Don't forget that you're not going to be able to print this. You're going to have to sit at your computer for hours, reading it. Unless you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat and know how to take the print protection off, that is. :-) You still need a password to remove any security items.Unless you have software from the former Soviet Union which removes or finds them :-). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:08 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:Now imagine being a young, naive guy from India who has either lived with his mother or in an ashram all his life, and who suddenly winds up not only being the object of focus of tens of thousands of TM students but the object of focus for the world press (as a result of ripping off the Beatles' share of mass attention). It would be a miracle if he *had* handled it gracefully. In my opinion, such a miracle did not occur. There's a biography I read a while back on the web--I believe it was called "Call No Man Master", not certain--but it had a description of the early days of the TM movement in Britain and M's interaction with the public and how he taught from the perspective of a female assistant. She describes how M would come back after teaching or lecture in which he had to interact with students--understand he was teaching all the students on his own at this point--and was exhausted. He complained about all the endless questions people would ask. It becomes clear where the impetus to create "meditation guides" came from. It was just too much for him to handle, he was drained and exhausted. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
On Jan 5, 2006, at 7:55 AM, Vaj wrote:On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:08 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:Now imagine being a young, naive guy from Indiawho has either lived with his mother or in an ashram all his life, and who suddenly winds up not only being the object of focus of tens of thousands of TM students but the object of focusfor the world press (as a result of ripping off the Beatles' share of mass attention). It would be a miracle if he *had* handled it gracefully. In my opinion, such a miracle did not occur.There's a biography I read a while back on the web--I believe it was called "Call No Man Master", not certain--but it had a description of the early days of the TM movement in Britain and M's interaction with the public and how he taught from the perspective of a female assistant. She describes how M would come back after teaching or lecture in which he had to interact with students--understand he was teaching all the students on his own at this point--and was exhausted. He complained about all the endless questions people would ask. It becomes clear where the impetus to create "meditation guides" came from. It was just too much for him to handle, he was drained and exhausted.http://web.archive.org/web/20021022123115/www.isleofavalon.co.uk/GlastonburyArchive/callnomm/cnm-09.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
I learned the hard way not to reveal names of people I instructed in TM. Someone I had instructed told me she did not appreciate having someone yell across the workplace cafeteria, Hey! I heard you learned TM! With that I generalized that discretion is always a sound policy, whether teaching, checking or pursuing any professional activity outside the TM world. As for checking confessionals, one of our TTC course leaders, Scott Eaton, told us people would treat checking like a counseling sesssion, and feel the need to reveal their darkest concerns. Sure enough, it happened. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/06 10:11:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is, like the confidentiality between a doctor and a patient or a clergy and a parishioner, is what goes on in the checking room confidential? I don't remember the issue of confidentiality per se ever being brought up either on TTC or pre-TTC when I learned checking notes, but I kinda always assumed it was myself... Legally, no. But I believe that TM teachers are expected to not blab about what someone tells them during checking. Checking is not exactly a confessional. Yeah, what in the world is someone going to tell you during checking? That they are really stressed out about something, and details of same? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/06 10:11:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is, like the confidentiality between a doctor and a patient or a clergy and a parishioner, is what goes on in the checking room confidential? I don't remember the issue of confidentiality per se ever being brought up either on TTC or pre-TTC when I learned checking notes, but I kinda always assumed it was myself... Legally, no. But I believe that TM teachers are expected to not blab about what someone tells them during checking. Checking is not exactly a confessional. Yeah, what in the world is someone going to tell you during checking? That they are really stressed out about something, and details of same? But you're not doing psychotherapy. You're there to check their meditation. I've checked hundreds of people in my time and nobody ever started talking about their problems. They knew that they were there to have their meditation checked and that was all. Did anyone have a different experience? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you're not doing psychotherapy. You're there to check their meditation. I've checked hundreds of people in my time and nobody ever started talking about their problems. They knew that they were there to have their meditation checked and that was all. Did anyone have a different experience? Nope. I hope everyone understood that my crack earlier about people talking about their sexual fantasies was just a joke. Except for when I checked Bevan, of course, but that's a story for another time... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru Dev faded more and more as he became The Big Guru. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. You are so right. MMY has changed his mind about loans. I remember in the early-early days that MMY said that we never should take up loans, because it made a limit to our freedom. He said that the persons or banks that gave us loans, made us as slaves - because they owned a part of us. I think that this was something he had from Guru Dev. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. I doubt that it's just your opinion; that is, I suspect quite a few people share it. Materialism (the corrupting power of money and...uh...power) is one thing; that's certainly a factor in the long-term playing out of any spiritual teacher's career. One of the other factors though, one that isn't talked about as much because it's more occult, is the corrupting power of *attention*. I know of a number of spiritual teachers whose *own* spiritual teachers suggested that they were not ready to become teachers, but who did so anyway. In retrospect, it occurs to me that the thing they weren't ready for was having the attention of hundreds or thousands or even tens of thousands of students focused on them. For the people here who have been TM teachers (or teachers in other traditions) and who have stood in front of large audiences (500 to 1000 or more), you might have some idea of what I am talking about. When I used to teach the Asilomar Christmas courses, which tended to attract 500 to 1500 participants, I quickly learned that I was going to need a week to recover from teaching the course. In my case, I always arranged to hole up in a cabin in Big Sur for the week following the course and spend some time meditating and walking in the woods to recover my sanity and my sense of balance. Otherwise, I would have taken the *imbalance* I always felt after teaching those courses back with me to the Regional Office and allowed it to express itself there. It's difficult to describe to someone who hasn't been there, done that. The best I can come up with is that when you are the *focus* for a bunch of students' attention, especially if they are round- ing or practicing long meditations, you are basic- ally being *touched* by their auras when they focus their attention on you. If their attention field is experiencing some roughness or (in TM-ese) unstressing, it cannot help but affect you as well, because you are the object that their attention field is focused on. Now imagine being a young, naive guy from India who has either lived with his mother or in an ashram all his life, and who suddenly winds up not only being the object of focus of tens of thousands of TM students but the object of focus for the world press (as a result of ripping off the Beatles' share of mass attention). It would be a miracle if he *had* handled it gracefully. In my opinion, such a miracle did not occur. it is a great danger to start to feel Very Important. It is a luck that Karma or Nature or whatever drag you down sometimes. Every TM- Teacher that I know that is very serious about teaching people, has faced some really hard times some times. And if we manage to turn hard times to something positive, amazing things happens in a positive way. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. Someone has to pay for the spiritual movement. In ancient times an Ashram in India was paid for by donors and patrons, a lot of volunteerism on the part of those who can't pay, a synagogue or monestary in ancient Isreal was paid for by the donors and patrons, a monestary or church in Medieval or Victorian England was paid for by donors and patrons, a monestary in ancient Tibet the same, a church in modern US is paid for by donors and patrons and a lot of volunteerism on the part of those who can't pay. Maharishi considers Americans wealthy by most standards in the world (which they are - something like 60% of the world's population live below the poverty line), and so he is asking lower-middle class to upper class Americans to pay what is only $3.30 a day for 2 years, for what has proven to be (through hundreds of peer-reviewed journals) the best researched and documented technique on the planet...by far. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
As far as I know, Guru Dev lived in a mansion in his retirement called the Jyotir Math, with servants and massive donors from the Hindu community, as well as many volunteers (which included Maharishi fro a decade or so). OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru Dev faded more and more as he became The Big Guru. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. You are so right. MMY has changed his mind about loans. I remember in the early-early days that MMY said that we never should take up loans, because it made a limit to our freedom. He said that the persons or banks that gave us loans, made us as slaves - because they owned a part of us. I think that this was something he had from Guru Dev. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. No, that's what people who are trying to avoid working for a living have been saying since the beginning of time. Other groups have been teaching for free, paying for their teaching efforts themselves, for about the same period of time. The It's got to be paid for spiel comes from people who are too lazy to actually work for a living, and who want someone to support them so that they can avoid having to get a job like everyone else. Historically, in both the West and the East, there have always been groups in which the teachers and monks worked for a living and paid for their teaching efforts themselves. It's just that the lazy fucks who'd rather be supported by people like you than work themselves didn't want you to know about them, and so told you the stuff you just repeated as if it were true. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
Jyotir Math has been described here on FFL as a lodge, furthermore it appears that Guru Dev seldom visited Jyotir Math. The term retirement is a surprising way to describe the period Guru Dev undertook the position of Shankaracharya of Northern India. Is it possible that you might share your sources about the financial support you suggest Guru Dev received for his ashram and mission? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know, Guru Dev lived in a mansion in his retirement called the Jyotir Math, with servants and massive donors from the Hindu community, as well as many volunteers (which included Maharishi fro a decade or so). OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru Dev faded more and more as he became The Big Guru. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. You are so right. MMY has changed his mind about loans. I remember in the early-early days that MMY said that we never should take up loans, because it made a limit to our freedom. He said that the persons or banks that gave us loans, made us as slaves - because they owned a part of us. I think that this was something he had from Guru Dev. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:23 AM, off_world_beings wrote:Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. Someone has to pay for the spiritual movement. In ancient times an Ashram in India was paid for by donors and patrons, a lot of volunteerism on the part of those who can't pay, a synagogue or monestary in ancient Isreal was paid for by the donors and patrons, a monestary or church in Medieval or Victorian England was paid for by donors and patrons, a monestary in ancient Tibet the same, a church in modern US is paid for by donors and patrons and a lot of volunteerism on the part of those who can't pay. A myth. I have received many, many initiations from both Hindu, Buddhist and Taoist teachers. Some for free, most for a small donation. When I became part of a community of yogins we used a traditional model which was non-hierarchical and totally transparent financially. When we need something, we ask the community for money or we sponsor a teaching or we do fundraising. Either way it is all transparent--all members know how money is used and where.Spiritual movements should mirror the spiritual life and be free and transparent. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
In a message dated 1/5/06 2:34:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The very fact that someone should have to take outa loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. Andthe organization that places the people of the worldin that position are the criminals. BINGO! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
In a message dated 1/5/06 2:45:03 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? They haven't come up with a price for that yet.LOL.But it's not as far-fetched as you think. I know ofone spiritual author who offered a couple of well-known Tibetan Buddhist teachers a bribe of one million bucks each to write a blurb for the bookjacket in which they declared him a tulku (recognizedreincarnation of a famous teacher from the past). Both teachers laughed the author out of the room.It's just a matter of time until the TM movementfigures out that there is money to be made inselling "Enlightenment Authentification Diplomas."They'd sell like hotcakes. I know! I wasn't joking! ROFLMAO! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know, Guru Dev lived in a mansion in his retirement called the Jyotir Math, with servants and massive donors from the Hindu community, as well as many volunteers (which included Maharishi fro a decade or so). On the other hand, he was never running a worldwide movement. So many people here are making unfavorable apples-to- oranges comparisons with other teachers and movements without taking into account the significant differences in goals, which in many cases require different means to accomplish. (Obviously core ethical principles shouldn't vary much, but beyond that core there's a lot of variation, e.g., whether loans are ethical.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru Dev faded more and more as he became The Big Guru. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. No, that's what people who are trying to avoid working for a living have been saying since the beginning of time. Other groups have been teaching for free, paying for their teaching efforts themselves, for about the same period of time. The It's got to be paid for spiel comes from people who are too lazy to actually work for a living, and who want someone to support them so that they can avoid having to get a job like everyone else. In what sense are people who work for the TMO full time too lazy to work for a living? Historically, in both the West and the East, there have always been groups in which the teachers and monks worked for a living and paid for their teaching efforts themselves. It's just that the lazy fucks who'd rather be supported by people like you than work themselves didn't want you to know about them, and so told you the stuff you just repeated as if it were true. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: IAM Cost
on 1/4/06 8:38 PM, shukra69 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cost of the course that I saw was when Amma herself was in Toronto giving it. It was that or more. You could only take it by going on the retreat. That was the cost of a weekend retreat with Amma. It included one's hotel room and meals. If you were on the retreat, you could learn the IAM meditation at no additional cost. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
on 1/5/06 2:51 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will say only that the number one fantasy sex *object* during that period was Rindy Schwartz. Go figure. For you, or for the people you were checking? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Spot The Fake Smile
http://tinyurl.com/2u7sh http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/index.shtml I got 18 out of 20. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
In a message dated 1/5/06 7:52:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you're not doing psychotherapy. You're there tocheck their meditation. I've checked hundreds ofpeople in my time and nobody ever started talkingabout their "problems." They knew that they were thereto have their meditation checked and that was all. Didanyone have a different experience? Yeah, I had people occasionally start telling me their problems when they first came in the checking room. I listened for a moment and said "let's check your meditation and see if things don't get better." Then I started the checking process. That was all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. No, that's what people who are trying to avoid working for a living have been saying since the beginning of time. It will not change. You are being naive. Historically, in both the West and the East, there have always been groups in which the teachers and monks worked for a living and paid for their teaching efforts themselves. Nonsense. Even Jesus accepted money for his Church. Monks and priests have always been paid for their services since the beginning of time. Ancient cultures considered these services paramount and the most practical thing they could do, and were quite happy to be materialistic about it, and pay for it, just like you would for TV, airplanes, buses, internet computer, etc. You just have your priorities skewed. Also, almost all ancient cultures had some concept of Karma, and believed that they were given what they had for a reason (wether they were given poverty or wealth), And Maharishi has said that it is the 'deserving ability' of the people that allows them to gain the necessary means, which is what almost all ancient cultures believed, including Guru Dev's cultural worldview. It's just that the lazy fucks who'd rather be supported by people like you than work themselves didn't want you to know about them, :-) Debatable, but it will never change...except in the real Sat Yug... ie. the one that is not due for half a million years or so. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:23 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. Someone has to pay for the spiritual movement. In ancient times an Ashram in India was paid for by donors and patrons, a lot of volunteerism on the part of those who can't pay, a synagogue or monestary in ancient Isreal was paid for by the donors and patrons, a monestary or church in Medieval or Victorian England was paid for by donors and patrons, a monestary in ancient Tibet the same, a church in modern US is paid for by donors and patrons and a lot of volunteerism on the part of those who can't pay. A myth. I have received many, many initiations from both Hindu, Buddhist and Taoist teachers. Some for free, most for a small donation. When I became part of a community of yogins we used a traditional model which was non-hierarchical and totally transparent financially. When we need something, we ask the community for money or we sponsor a teaching or we do fundraising. Either way it is all transparent-- all members know how money is used and where. Spiritual movements should mirror the spiritual life and be free and transparent. That is exactly what I just said, gio read it again, upthread. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
Jyotir Math was a comfortable living in India, with servants and massive donors from the Hindu community (this is common knowledge, and you are being a naive western baby boomer if you think it was otherwise), as well as many volunteers (which included Maharishi for a decade or so). Guru Dev spent more than 10 years there in what we would call his 'retirement years'. Kinda like when I get to 70+ I am thinking of becoming a small-time opium addict in the mountains of Thailand in a nice bamboo hut, and a paid servant to bring me fruit and soya milk... :-) OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jyotir Math has been described here on FFL as a lodge, furthermore it appears that Guru Dev seldom visited Jyotir Math. The term retirement is a surprising way to describe the period Guru Dev undertook the position of Shankaracharya of Northern India. Is it possible that you might share your sources about the financial support you suggest Guru Dev received for his ashram and mission? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know, Guru Dev lived in a mansion in his retirement called the Jyotir Math, with servants and massive donors from the Hindu community, as well as many volunteers (which included Maharishi fro a decade or so). OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru Dev faded more and more as he became The Big Guru. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. You are so right. MMY has changed his mind about loans. I remember in the early-early days that MMY said that we never should take up loans, because it made a limit to our freedom. He said that the persons or banks that gave us loans, made us as slaves - because they owned a part of us. I think that this was something he had from Guru Dev. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote:Nonsense. Even Jesus accepted money for his Church. Monks and priests have always been paid for their services since the beginning of time. Ancient cultures considered these services paramount and the most practical thing they could do, and were quite happy to be materialistic about it, and pay for it, just like you would for TV, airplanes, buses, internet computer, etc. You just have your priorities skewed. Also, almost all ancient cultures had some concept of Karma, and believed that they were given what they had for a reason (wether they were given poverty or wealth), And Maharishi has said that it is the 'deserving ability' of the people that allows them to gain the necessary means, which is what almost all ancient cultures believed, including Guru Dev's cultural worldview. Is there any record of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati *charging* for a mantra? Or was it just on a donation basis? Or was it free? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. If, by taking out that loan, they are more likely to continue to meditate, is that criminal? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. No, that's what people who are trying to avoid working for a living have been saying since the beginning of time. Other groups have been teaching for free, paying for their teaching efforts themselves, for about the same period of time. The It's got to be paid for spiel comes from people who are too lazy to actually work for a living, and who want someone to support them so that they can avoid having to get a job like everyone else. In what sense are people who work for the TMO full time too lazy to work for a living? Historically, in both the West and the East, there have always been groups in which the teachers and monks worked for a living and paid for their teaching efforts themselves. It's just that the lazy fucks who'd rather be supported by people like you than work themselves didn't want you to know about them, and so told you the stuff you just repeated as if it were true. :-) I know , they work way harder than me, and I work pretty hard. I wouldn't do what they do. I like my weekends and vacations and sebaticals. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding personal checking: is it confidential? That is, like the confidentiality between a doctor and a patient or a clergy and a parishioner, is what goes on in the checking room confidential? I don't remember the issue of confidentiality per se ever being brought up either on TTC or pre-TTC when I learned checking notes, but I kinda always assumed it was myself... I think most TM-Teacher keep confidential what is going on between Teacher and student in the checking-room. In the early-early days, before MMY trained TM-Teachers, he trained Checkers. Handed out the papers to them. It was a lot of people who knew the checking points, without being Teachers. Ingegerd Really? NOt how I was taught to be a checker. When did he hand out papers? Early in the 1960. He held checking courses for meditators in the summer courses in Norway, probably in other countries too. Ingegerd Huh. Something about that timeline (among other things) seems wrong. For one thing, MMY was spending a great deal of time in 1959 in LA in the USA. Don't know when he left for Europe. Another thing that seems odd is that checking, at least in its current form, is credited to someone other than MMY, and my impression is that it started AFTER he started teaching TM teachers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Nonsense. Even Jesus accepted money for his Church. Monks and priests have always been paid for their services since the beginning of time. Ancient cultures considered these services paramount and the most practical thing they could do, and were quite happy to be materialistic about it, and pay for it, just like you would for TV, airplanes, buses, internet computer, etc. You just have your priorities skewed. Also, almost all ancient cultures had some concept of Karma, and believed that they were given what they had for a reason (wether they were given poverty or wealth), And Maharishi has said that it is the 'deserving ability' of the people that allows them to gain the necessary means, which is what almost all ancient cultures believed, including Guru Dev's cultural worldview. Is there any record of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati *charging* for a mantra? Or was it just on a donation basis? Or was it free? FREE !??? GET OVER IT ! Only Maharishi and a few others have given techniques for freeand that NEVER lasts. NEVER. It is a fact of life. If you wanted knoweldge from Guru Dev you had to DONATE your time as a worker, and a lot of it, OR, pay for it (yagyas etc.), or gain good karma by being a DONOR to the temple. By our standards it would not be much, but by Indian standards in those days it was not insignificant. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. So, rather than growing over the years, he's actually become impoverished spiritually. So much for Gurudev's teachings having lasting value... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case anyone should think otherwise, although it is tempting I am not championing Guru Dev's teaching, merely noting the apparent divergance of thought between MMY and his guru. There are aspects of both of their teachings that seem odd. Or out of tune with the rest of modern Hinduism... Which fits with Gurudev also being seen as a reformer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru Dev faded more and more as he became The Big Guru. Ingegerd Gurudev never had to deal with millions of students. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. Isn't it awful that Maharishi has spent so long promoting healthy living, electric vehicles, solar panel factory in India, organic farming and greenhouses, and a balanced and nature-friendly lifestyle...oh, and I almost forgot..working for the last 50 years to create world peace, getting governments involved where he can, and, having pundits doing continual yagyas and oblations at spiritual sites around India, starting a highly sophisticated Purusha center in the Himalayas, bringing back the Vedic tradition in a systematized and sophisticated form in India. Is there ANY other teacher that has done this for 50 years?...and is not stopping in his late 80's ! ! ! OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:06 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru Dev faded more and more as he became The Big Guru. Ingegerd Gurudev never had to deal with millions of students. Oh? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: IAM Cost
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/4/06 8:38 PM, shukra69 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cost of the course that I saw was when Amma herself was in Toronto giving it. It was that or more. You could only take it by going on the retreat. That was the cost of a weekend retreat with Amma. It included one's hotel room and meals. If you were on the retreat, you could learn the IAM meditation at no additional cost. Yeah, but isn't there some angle we can work some corruption into? Perhaps Amma stole some silverware or some pats of butter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
I agree with authfriend here. I taught TM full time for a short while and supported myself doing so. I worked hard and deserved what I earned from it. It was just as much a job as anything else I could have done. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. No, that's what people who are trying to avoid working for a living have been saying since the beginning of time. Other groups have been teaching for free, paying for their teaching efforts themselves, for about the same period of time. The It's got to be paid for spiel comes from people who are too lazy to actually work for a living, and who want someone to support them so that they can avoid having to get a job like everyone else. In what sense are people who work for the TMO full time too lazy to work for a living? Historically, in both the West and the East, there have always been groups in which the teachers and monks worked for a living and paid for their teaching efforts themselves. It's just that the lazy fucks who'd rather be supported by people like you than work themselves didn't want you to know about them, and so told you the stuff you just repeated as if it were true. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day - Now GReen TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it awful that Maharishi has spent so long promoting healthy living, electric vehicles, solar panel factory in India, organic farming and greenhouses, and a balanced and nature-friendly lifestyle...oh, and I almost forgot..working for the last 50 years to create world peace, getting governments involved where he can, and, having pundits doing continual yagyas and oblations at spiritual sites around India, starting a highly sophisticated Purusha center in the Himalayas, bringing back the Vedic tradition in a systematized and sophisticated form in India. Is there ANY other teacher that has done this for 50 years?...and is not stopping in his late 80's ! ! ! OffWorld Maybe the TMO talked about electric vehicles at some pt - they've talked about most everything - but the above list of activities is not particularly representative of what the tmo has actually done. There is a small organic greenhouse operation here in ffld. Maybe talk about bigger operations will come through but so far that's just talk. There's also projects cutting down the rainforest in brazil and other forests elsewhere in the world. In the past MMY has drilled for oil in texas, marketing high-end silk dresses, and now used cars in india as well (at least one nephew is). Remember last year's big plans - enlightenment centers in malls. Real estate remains the main business of the tmo, but most everything has been tried, and being a green eco-friendly business has never been a prerequisite. Promoting his brand of spirituality has been MMY's most tireless and unending motivation which is impressive in its energy and committment. Lots of religious people today and throughout history have shown that kind of motivation though - and full time religious people conducting global businesses on the side while also getting involved in politics is nothing new - research pat robertson and rev. moon's operations which are much larger than MMY's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. If, by taking out that loan, they are more likely to continue to meditate, is that criminal? People continue to meditate because they have good experience, regardless of what they have paid or not paid. If they have not good experience, they stop even if they have paid $ 2.500. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Income in Fairfield
I thought this might be of interest for anyone considering moving to Fairfield or who would like a relatively hands free type of income while they go on courses or other activities. Retire or relocate to Fairfield Ideal business opportunity Great retirement income. Currently nets over $30,000 per year. Mobile home park with 56 hookups, currently 40 rented. Park has not yet reached its full rental capacity. Lot rent $130 per month. November bank appraisal at $285,000, will sell below appraised value. Great return on investment. To discuss or request additional information, please contact John @ (1) 808 341-0880 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding personal checking: is it confidential? That is, like the confidentiality between a doctor and a patient or a clergy and a parishioner, is what goes on in the checking room confidential? I don't remember the issue of confidentiality per se ever being brought up either on TTC or pre-TTC when I learned checking notes, but I kinda always assumed it was myself... I think most TM-Teacher keep confidential what is going on between Teacher and student in the checking-room. In the early-early days, before MMY trained TM-Teachers, he trained Checkers. Handed out the papers to them. It was a lot of people who knew the checking points, without being Teachers. Ingegerd Really? NOt how I was taught to be a checker. When did he hand out papers? Early in the 1960. He held checking courses for meditators in the summer courses in Norway, probably in other countries too. Ingegerd Huh. Something about that timeline (among other things) seems wrong. For one thing, MMY was spending a great deal of time in 1959 in LA in the USA. Don't know when he left for Europe. Another thing that seems odd is that checking, at least in its current form, is credited to someone other than MMY, and my impression is that it started AFTER he started teaching TM teachers. He came to London in 1959, where a Norwegian Lady (The first TM- Teacher in Norway) learned to meditate. He came to Norway in 1960. In 1962 he trained hundreds of meditation checkers at a Summer Course in Hochgurgl, Tyrol, where some Norwegian meditators learned to check meditations and give introductory lectures about TM. Later, some of them became TM-Teachers. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Nonsense. Even Jesus accepted money for his Church. Monks and priests have always been paid for their services since the beginning of time. Ancient cultures considered these services paramount and the most practical thing they could do, and were quite happy to be materialistic about it, and pay for it, just like you would for TV, airplanes, buses, internet computer, etc. You just have your priorities skewed. Also, almost all ancient cultures had some concept of Karma, and believed that they were given what they had for a reason (wether they were given poverty or wealth), And Maharishi has said that it is the 'deserving ability' of the people that allows them to gain the necessary means, which is what almost all ancient cultures believed, including Guru Dev's cultural worldview. Is there any record of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati *charging* for a mantra? Or was it just on a donation basis? Or was it free? FREE !??? GET OVER IT ! Only Maharishi and a few others have given techniques for freeand that NEVER lasts. NEVER. It is a fact of life. If you wanted knoweldge from Guru Dev you had to DONATE your time as a worker, and a lot of it, OR, pay for it (yagyas etc.), or gain good karma by being a DONOR to the temple. By our standards it would not be much, but by Indian standards in those days it was not insignificant. OffWorld I have teached a lot of students for free. With good following-up, most of them continue. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting other support operations - at least that's the business angle on understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn. I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks down in my mind. PLus it seems directly contradictory to the impulse we had back then to spread tm as quickly as possible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with authfriend here. I taught TM full time for a short while and supported myself doing so. I worked hard and deserved what I earned from it. It was just as much a job as anything else I could have done. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. No, that's what people who are trying to avoid working for a living have been saying since the beginning of time. Other groups have been teaching for free, paying for their teaching efforts themselves, for about the same period of time. The It's got to be paid for spiel comes from people who are too lazy to actually work for a living, and who want someone to support them so that they can avoid having to get a job like everyone else. In what sense are people who work for the TMO full time too lazy to work for a living? Historically, in both the West and the East, there have always been groups in which the teachers and monks worked for a living and paid for their teaching efforts themselves. It's just that the lazy fucks who'd rather be supported by people like you than work themselves didn't want you to know about them, and so told you the stuff you just repeated as if it were true. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Life is Bliss'- Businessportal24 (Pressemitteilung) - Bad Lausick,Germany
Pressefächer Deutsche Nachrichten Agentur Maharishi's Message "LIFE IS BLISS" Echoes from the Rooftop of the World TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION Editorial by Uttam Maharjan in The Rising Nepal, Gorkhapatra Today, health is a major concern as people have become more and more materialistic and consumeristic with the result that their lifestyles have changed drastically. People have also sacrificed spiritual values in pursuit of materialism. There is a lot of eating with less exercise. It is said that an individual should walk at least one hour a day. With human interest diverting to sedentary lifestyles such as watching TV and playing video games, human health has suffered. We can find couch potatoes and people of a suchlike nature in almost every home. It is essential that human beings should engage in some forms of exercise or meditation. There are many forms of meditation dating back to ancient times. Transcendental meditation (TM) is one such example. TM was propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1957. TM, which is as old as the Rigveda, is a simple, natural and effortless technique of meditation based in part on Hindu meditation. It is scientific, systematic and repeatable with veritable results. It aims at exposing higher levels of unconsciousness inherent in human beings in a state of latency. Since the 1960s when Maharishi Yogi converted the Beatles, TM has been very popular in the West. Maharishi Mahesh Yogis motto is life is bliss. TM aims at making human life blissful by overcoming problems of life. People who practise TM around the world have appreciated this motto as they have been able to lead a life free from stress, tension, angst and Weltschmerz. To fathom how TM works, it would be germane to mention what the mind experiences during TM. The mind experiences finer and finer levels of a thinking process and, in doing so, reaches the sources of thought and is immersed in the self. The self, which reflects unbounded awareness and pure intelligence, is the ultimate reality that governs all processes of life. TM is an experience just like love, joy and happiness and coordinates the body and mind. It leads to a state where the mind comes into direct contact with the sources of thought. The sources of thought are a field of pure intelligence called transcendental consciousness. People experience umpteen thoughts every day. The sources of thought are within them and are responsible for thoughts and their actions. But people may be unaware of this. Thoughts are supported by intelligence, creativity and drive. These are the hallmarks of the sources of thought. TM is a mental process of reaching transcendental consciousness that enables people to experience infinite sources of intelligence creativity and drive. When such sources are entrapped within them, people grow more and more intelligent, creative and energetic. Meditation and all forms of yoga were grossly misinterpreted and misused in the past. It is Maharishi Yogi who systematised and streamlined TM and revised it in its purest form. Maharishi Yogi has removed all tags of mysticism and religion from TM. That is why, TM has nothing to do with any mysticism, religion, faith or creed. This is a very important aspect of TM. During meditation, people experience a thought. Thinking requires no efforts, but it takes place at what is known as gross conscious level. TM leads people to a silent level of awareness. At the gross conscious level, background noise disturbs people. While thinking, millions of neurons out of billions in the brain get active. They keep on disturbing the mind. During TM, de-excitation of the neurons takes place, bringing down the background noise to a silent level called a state of restful alertness. This helps in releasing tension and stress from the nervous system. It is axiomatic that when people are free from stress and tension, they tend to be creative and productive. TM, therefore, gives rise to creativity and productivity. Dr Robert Keith Wallace, of the USA, conducted research on TM for the first time. According to him, during TM, the mind is fully alert, but the body is at deep rest, which is deeper than sleep. This state of the body and mind is called restful alertness. Since then, independent scientific researches on TM have been conducted over 600 times in 30 countries. There are several benefits of TM. Psychologists hold that people use only 5 to 15 per cent of their mental potential. During TM, the potential can be used up to 100 per cent. As such, by enhancing mental potential to the fullest, TM can improve learning ability, problem-solving capacity, academic performance, productivity, job performance and satisfaction, interpersonal relations and clear and unruffled thinking. Similarly, TM has several physical as well as mind-body benefits to offer. TM provides deep rest, removing deep-seated stress and anxiety and increases physical, psychological and sociological adaptability,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
In a message dated 1/5/06 11:12:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People continue to meditate because they have good experience, regardless of what they have paid or not paid.If they have not good experience, they stop even if they have paid $ 2.500. And if they stop after paying such a large sum, which could have been used to pay off the car or get ahead on the mortgage etc, they could easily feel fooled and become bitter about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting other support operations - at least that's the business angle on understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn. Agreed. I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks down in my mind. I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor of 12.3 times since then. A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home in the SF Bay Area waS $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier area was $5 ($75 now), hard bound best sellers were around $2, a new VW was $1200 or so (I think), etc Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an adult is about $925. One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the prodcut has increased due to the availability of adjuct products that are now available to enhance the core porduct: AV, jyotish, yagyas, gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product offering at $925. An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different). Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. And heck, you get a King thrown in for free! (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38 years.) http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?ID=14440 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting other support operations - at least that's the business angle on understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn. Agreed. I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks down in my mind. I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor of 12.3 times since then. A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home in the SF Bay Area was $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier area was $5 ($75 now), hardbound best sellers were around $2, a new VW was $1200 or so (I think), etc. Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an adult is about $925. One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas, gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product offering at $925. An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different). Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. And heck, you get a King thrown in for free! (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38 years.) http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?ID=14440 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Income in Fairfield
Utopia Park is for sale? Gosh, the TMO must be even more desperate than I thought. And calling it 'ideal' when almost 25% of the trailers are currently empty seems a bit fanciful. I imagine if anybody (other than the Zims) had that kind of cash to pony up, Fairfield would not be the first place on their list to spend it in. Sal On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:12 AM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: I thought this might be of interest for anyone considering moving to Fairfield or who would like a relatively hands free type of income while they go on courses or other activities. Retire or relocate to Fairfield Ideal business opportunity Great retirement income. Currently nets over $30,000 per year. Mobile home park with 56 hookups, currently 40 rented. Park has not yet reached its full rental capacity. Lot rent $130 per month. November bank appraisal at $285,000, will sell below appraised value. Great return on investment. To discuss or request additional information, please contact John @ (1) 808 341-0880
[FairfieldLife] Re: Income in Fairfield
On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:12 AM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: I thought this might be of interest for anyone considering moving to Fairfield or who would like a relatively hands free type of income while they go on courses or other activities. Retire or relocate to Fairfield Ideal business opportunity Great retirement income. Currently nets over $30,000 per year. Mobile home park with 56 hookups, currently 40 rented. Park has not yet reached its full rental capacity. Lot rent $130 per month. November bank appraisal at $285,000, will sell below appraised value. Great return on investment. Its a 3.5% after tax, inflation adjusted return for a relatively high risk investment (high risk due to uncertainty about the population and demographics of FF in 20 years: pig farms, MUM closing, few of younger generations staying, aging population, etc). I think I will pass. A 25,000-$50,000 price would give a 15%-30% return (ATaI) which would be more reasonable for a higher risk investment such as this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
If AoL teaches equivalent meditation at $200 (per cite on another post) and Amma's IAM technique is $250 (to attend a retreat to get the technique for free) then each is around $20 in 1968 price terms. Almost half the SIMS student rate. Quite a deal. Do both for about the same as the SIMS $35 deal of the century. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting other support operations - at least that's the business angle on understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn. Agreed. I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks down in my mind. I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor of 12.3 times since then. A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home in the SF Bay Area was $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier area was $5 ($75 now), hardbound best sellers were around $2, a new VW was $1200 or so (I think), etc. Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an adult is about $925. One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas, gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product offering at $925. An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different). Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. And heck, you get a King thrown in for free! (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38 years.) http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?ID=14440 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas, gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product offering at $925. And there is now tons of scientific research (ok ten pounds of GOOD research) on TM. And the positive testimony of many long term TMers. Neiher of which was available in 1968. New products have an uncertainty cost associated with them. The consumer takes a riks, a pig in a poke when trying a new product without reputation or research. They don't know if the claims are valid. Often, prices of new products are discounted to reflect this uncertainty cost to consumers. Thus, firms with new products, without a reputation, research or long time users often aggressively underprice their new product when they enter a market -- to gain market share. When the product becomes a proven quantity, gains a good reputation, has research to back up its claims, the firm will often (be able to) raise its price. Peole with pay a premium for a well known reliable brand. Thus, a 25-50% early market entry discount for TM would be consistent with many or most products you normally buy. And looking at it from another angle, a 50-100% established brand premium, over the market entry discounted price, is also a normal practice, one most counsumers readily pay. Thus a $30% premium over market entry price, that reduces consumer uncertainty, via research and reputation, is reasonable, raising the inflation adjusted 1968 price of $75 ($925 now) to $1500 in today's prices. And an additional 33% premium for the value of the availability of complimentary products (AV, SV, GV ... ) is not inconsistent with many modern marketing strategies. Add another 33% for donations to humaniatarian projects (a type of brandng cost) results in a $2500 2006 mature product price. This is not inconsistant with $75 1968 price, given the maturity, reputation and product line enhancements of TM over 35 + years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:44 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:If AoL teaches "equivalent" meditation at $200 (per cite on another post) and Amma's IAM technique is $250 (to attend a retreat to get the technique for free)You don't need to go on one of Amma's retreats to get her method--at least you didn't used to have to do this.. then each is around $20 in 1968 price terms. Almost half the SIMS student rate. Quite a deal. Do both for about the same as the SIMS $35 "deal of the century". Vipassana, which is taught in the traditional 10 day closed retreat, is taught only by donation AFTER the retreat. This includes accommodations and food at a quiet retreat center.Swami Rama and some of his descendants teach meditation and mantra for free. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas, gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product offering at $925. And there is now tons of scientific research (ok ten pounds of GOOD research) on TM. And the positive testimony of many long term TMers. Neiher of which was available in 1968. New products have an uncertainty cost associated with them. The consumer takes a risk -- a pig in a poke sort of thing -- when trying a new product without reputation or research. They don't know if the claims are valid. Often, prices of new products are discounted to reflect this uncertainty cost to consumers. Thus, firms with new products, without a reputation, research or long time users often aggressively underprice their new product when they enter a market -- to gain market share. When the product becomes a proven quantity, gains a good reputation, has research to back up its claims, the firm will often (be able to) raise its price. Peole with pay a premium for a well known reliable brand. Thus, a 25-50% early market entry discount for TM would be consistent with many or most products you normally buy. And looking at it from another angle, a 50-100% established brand premium, over the market entry discounted price, is also a normal practice, one most counsumers readily pay. Thus a 70% premium over market entry price, that reduces consumer uncertainty, via research and reputation, is reasonable, or at least consistent with many other products as they mature. This raises the inflation adjusted 1968 price of $75 ($925 now) to $1500 in today's prices. And an additional 33% premium for the value of the availability of complimentary products (AV, SV, GV ... ) is not inconsistent with many modern marketing strategies. Add another 33% (over 1500 core mature price) for donations to humaniatarian projects (a type of brandng cost) results in a $2500 2006 mature product price. This is not inconsistant with $75 1968 price, given the maturity, reputation and product line enhancements of TM over 35 + years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cholesterol levels
I'm wondering about TM's affect on cholesterol levels. Can anyone tell me what their HDL level is? I'm looking for firsthand information, please; I'm already familiar with the scientific evidence. My HDL (good) cholesterol level is inordinately high -- about 125, as opposed to 35-40, which is considered normal. I'm wondering how much of this can be attributed to my 30+ years of meditating. Up until about a year or two ago, it was only around 75. At first, my doctors didn't believe my numbers and made me retest. But now they just accepts me as an anomoly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Flash-back India/Feb 23, 1968.
Beatles' Guru Is Turning Them Into Gurus With a Cram Course By JOSEPH LELYVELD Special to The New York TimesRISHIKESH, India, Feb. 22 -All four Beatles are now settled in a retreat here by the Ganges that their globe-trotting guru, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, maintains for those who follow him in pursuit of "absolute bliss consciousness."... Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] 'Happy Birthday Maharishi'
Blessed Deep Silence, Maharishi... Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spot The Fake Smile
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2u7sh http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/index.shtml I got 18 out of 20. Me, too. Plus, one miss I really labored over, finally deciding he was faking cause he reminded me of somewhat I dislike. Thanks for the fun . . . but what does it prove? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a month or so. Break down the cost allocations: Franchise Fee 50% SV Facilities 10% Office Exp. Support 5% Advertising and PR 10% Presentation Media 5% Health Ins, 401k, ATR 10% Travel 5% Salary 10% Salary = 10% x 2500 x 30 = $7500 / month pre tax salary, about $90,000 per year. A low range amount for a mental / physical health professional. Probably only $70,000 a year if there is 2-3 month / year ATR requirement. And they need to afford SV housing on at this salary. If anything, this salary is too low. If you want full time professional teachers, a modest amount of advertuising and PR, professional facilities, (and franchise requirements specify and require SV -- an added cost), reasonable benefits, a running automobile --not full of dents, for teachers etc., then $2500 is about what it would take. If you want it taught only by volunteers in their (non sv) homes, then thats another business / marketing model. Not superior or inferior, but a diferent model, aimed at a different segment of students. This may be a good model of AoL and Amma. But it is NOT going to reach or be appealing for a large part of society. Previously I have been aghast at the $2500 figure for some time. But now, looking at the i) pricing side (inflation adjusted, mature product and all) and the ii) cost side, it seems quite reasonable. The third tier is value. Is neo TM, taught in an SV center by a professional, educated, professionally dressed and transported, articulate teacher, living in a SV house, with a large, available product line TM enhancing products, of with good personal follow-up -- checking, etc, worth $2500? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spot The Fake Smile
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, truth.sayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2u7sh http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/index.shtml I got 18 out of 20. Me, too. Plus, one miss I really labored over, finally deciding he was faking cause he reminded me of somewhat I dislike. Thanks for the fun . . . but what does it prove? It proves that the Internet is a very effective waster of time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
Clearly you are correct Ingegerd. There is a tape recording made on 12th May 1960 in London of the 1st Training Course for Mediation Gurides, also on the tape is a recording of MMY's visit to the SES and Dr Roles. Early in the 1960. He held checking courses for meditators in the summer courses in Norway, probably in other countries too. Ingegerd Huh. Something about that timeline (among other things) seems wrong. For one thing, MMY was spending a great deal of time in 1959 in LA in the USA. Don't know when he left for Europe. Another thing that seems odd is that checking, at least in its current form, is credited to someone other than MMY, and my impression is that it started AFTER he started teaching TM teachers. He came to London in 1959, where a Norwegian Lady (The first TM- Teacher in Norway) learned to meditate. He came to Norway in 1960. In 1962 he trained hundreds of meditation checkers at a Summer Course in Hochgurgl, Tyrol, where some Norwegian meditators learned to check meditations and give introductory lectures about TM. Later, some of them became TM-Teachers. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spot The Fake Smile
Um, that lots of people on this list have waaay too much time on their hands? :) Sal On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:44 PM, truth.sayer wrote: Me, too. Plus, one miss I really labored over, finally deciding he was faking cause he reminded me of somewhat I dislike. Thanks for the fun . . . but what does it prove?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
Mediation Gurides = Meditation Guides --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly you are correct Ingegerd. There is a tape recording made on 12th May 1960 in London of the 1st Training Course for Mediation Gurides, also on the tape is a recording of MMY's visit to the SES and Dr Roles. Early in the 1960. He held checking courses for meditators in the summer courses in Norway, probably in other countries too. Ingegerd Huh. Something about that timeline (among other things) seems wrong. For one thing, MMY was spending a great deal of time in 1959 in LA in the USA. Don't know when he left for Europe. Another thing that seems odd is that checking, at least in its current form, is credited to someone other than MMY, and my impression is that it started AFTER he started teaching TM teachers. He came to London in 1959, where a Norwegian Lady (The first TM- Teacher in Norway) learned to meditate. He came to Norway in 1960. In 1962 he trained hundreds of meditation checkers at a Summer Course in Hochgurgl, Tyrol, where some Norwegian meditators learned to check meditations and give introductory lectures about TM. Later, some of them became TM-Teachers. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a month or so. If you want it taught only by volunteers in their (non sv) homes, then thats another business / marketing model. Not superior or inferior, but a diferent model, aimed at a different segment of students. This may be a good model of AoL and Amma. But it is NOT going to reach or be appealing for a large part of society. And in AoL, and I believe its similar with Amma, you often go to lectures or advanced meeting / follow-ups where the majority of seating is on the floor, in someone's well-lived-in home, lead by a volunteer -- sometimes with sketchy experience or background. And one is expected or encouraged to sing hindu hyms, is addressed as a devotee of , a majority of the fellow students have non-professional backgrounds and education, sprinkled with a few quite odd characters. Group practices can involve hugging everyone in the room, starring into others eyes for a prolonged period, and addressing others with some group sanctioned phrase such as I belong to you. While all of this is great stuff for many, for many more, particularly career-focussed professionals, much of this type of setting is unappealing and simple not something they would participate in - or stay more than 10 minutes for -- if drawn to an initial meeting. The programs are simply NOT comparable, though the techniques may be the same or similar. So there are different approaches for different types of individuals. Some clothes at Wal mart and Nordstroms often are not that much diferent. But some feel much more comfortable in Nordstroms buying underwear, even if they are paying 2-3 times the price as Wal Mart. This is because they like the Norstrom environment, the professional, polished staff, and all the complimentary products not available at Nordstrom -- that is it provides one-stop shopping, with one guide / sales consultant, and has unparalled follow-up. The same could be the approach of neo-TM. Taught in nice SV centers, by polished and professional, well qualified teachers steeped in experience (living in SV homes, doing program 6 hours a day, + 3 months of deep program 2-3 months per year), with profesional teaching and presentation matierials (full color brochures and booklets, hi def large video screens, extensive DVD and satellite and podcast teaching materials) comfortable seats, AND fellow students of similar career, educational and social positions. This new-TM vision has not yet been realized. But it could be. In not to far of a future. A bit of a chicken and egg problem, how to get from here to there. But if the new-TMO can bootstrap itself to this new level, $2500 fees, with professioanl teachers and teaching faciliites, will be appropriate for a large portion of society. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers
I am not sure, but I think the course to train checkers in Tyrol is mentioned in the Historybook about MMY Tours around the World. But the checkers was travelling around for many years to meditation centres to guide people into meditation, answering questions about things they hardly understood. Very devoted, nice people. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mediation Gurides = Meditation Guides --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly you are correct Ingegerd. There is a tape recording made on 12th May 1960 in London of the 1st Training Course for Mediation Gurides, also on the tape is a recording of MMY's visit to the SES and Dr Roles. Early in the 1960. He held checking courses for meditators in the summer courses in Norway, probably in other countries too. Ingegerd Huh. Something about that timeline (among other things) seems wrong. For one thing, MMY was spending a great deal of time in 1959 in LA in the USA. Don't know when he left for Europe. Another thing that seems odd is that checking, at least in its current form, is credited to someone other than MMY, and my impression is that it started AFTER he started teaching TM teachers. He came to London in 1959, where a Norwegian Lady (The first TM- Teacher in Norway) learned to meditate. He came to Norway in 1960. In 1962 he trained hundreds of meditation checkers at a Summer Course in Hochgurgl, Tyrol, where some Norwegian meditators learned to check meditations and give introductory lectures about TM. Later, some of them became TM-Teachers. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals. *** An instruction fee has always been part of Vedic culture. Called dakshina, it has traditionally been collected after instruction -- the only change MMY has made, in a node to this pathetically ignorant age (epitomized in the wheezy crap you post here), is to front-load the preceptor's fee. If Lord Krishna Himself did not object to paying a fee (paid by means of rescuing the guru's son from death), then nobody has a valid objection to paying for services rendered, especially when they are of transcendental value. Is $2500 too much? It is, from any rational human point-of-view, but MMY has made it clear that Divine Intelligence recognizes the need to unfold enlightenment values gradually so as to avoid creating fear and havoc on this ignorant planet: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light Your failure to acknowledge this tactic of the Divine Plan is not surprising, since you have discarded your practice of TM in order to have more time to tell everybody here what idiots they are for enjoying growth to enlightenment through TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Income in Fairfield
John Lasher does not own Utopia Park. The trailer park in question is in town. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Utopia Park is for sale? Gosh, the TMO must be even more desperate than I thought. And calling it 'ideal' when almost 25% of the trailers are currently empty seems a bit fanciful. I imagine if anybody (other than the Zims) had that kind of cash to pony up, Fairfield would not be the first place on their list to spend it in. Sal On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:12 AM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: I thought this might be of interest for anyone considering moving to Fairfield or who would like a relatively hands free type of income while they go on courses or other activities. Retire or relocate to Fairfield Ideal business opportunity Great retirement income. Currently nets over $30,000 per year. Mobile home park with 56 hookups, currently 40 rented. Park has not yet reached its full rental capacity. Lot rent $130 per month. November bank appraisal at $285,000, will sell below appraised value. Great return on investment. To discuss or request additional information, please contact John @ (1) 808 341-0880 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spot The Fake Smile
Eighteen out of 20 for me, too, which surprised me. I didn't think I'd do that well. Did you read about Ekman's work in the New Yorker last year? I'd love the ability to read faces the way he can. The article told about a flash of a smirk that gave away Bill Clinton when he was lying about Monica, and about a cop who held his fire even though a perp was pointing a gun at the cop, just because the cop could see in the perp's eyes that he was not going to pull the trigger. Now, that's faith in one's powers of perception! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2u7sh http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/index.shtml I got 18 out of 20. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
Thanks for the cost comparisons. I suspect that, had the TMO continued to amass good research to support its case, a $1,000 course fee would be reasonable today. But the ideological zeal, the death of Skip Alexander and Maharishi's abandonment of science all demolished that possibility. TM has good cardiovascular research now, but what else? Also, at those prices, a TM Center would need a sales rep who'd get most of the fee, for without doggedness and professional sales skills, few would learn. The rainmaker would bring in students for the money, and the actual teachers would teach as a hobby. The national and international organizations would have to get some token amount. What's a typical franchise fee? All these arguments about TM costing as much per day as a good coffee are fine perspective-setters, but people don't look upon it that way, so it's just an academic exercise. The way people view it, they don't know if TM will work for them, so they discount what they're willing to risk to find out. Think about your discretionary purchases and tell me if you don't do that, if you don't take into account the risk that you'll be dissatisfied. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting other support operations - at least that's the business angle on understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn. Agreed. I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks down in my mind. I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor of 12.3 times since then. A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home in the SF Bay Area was $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier area was $5 ($75 now), hardbound best sellers were around $2, a new VW was $1200 or so (I think), etc. Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an adult is about $925. One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas, gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product offering at $925. An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different). Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. And heck, you get a King thrown in for free! (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38 years.) http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?ID=14440 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spot The Fake Smile
If you like Ekman's work, and get LinkTV, check out the "Lunch with Bokara" episode "Meditation, Emotions Body Language" which feature Vipassana/Insight junkie Jack Kornfield and Paul Ekman. They seem to replay them fairly often.On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Did you read about Ekman's work in the New Yorker last year? I'd love the ability to read faces the way he can. The article told about a flash of a smirk that gave away Bill Clinton when he was lying about Monica, and about a cop who held his fire even though a perp was pointing a gun at the cop, just because the cop could see in the perp's eyes that he was not going to pull the trigger. Now, that's faith in one's powers of perception! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] India: Government Agency ready to build houses and offices according to Vastu!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is $2500 too much? It is, from any rational human point-of-view, but... I havenÕt laughed this hard since joining... Whatever Fairfield Life is paying this guy it isnÕt enough. Priceless!! -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Income in Fairfield
Well that changes everything, doesn't it? I take it all back. It's a great deal. Only a fool would pass up such an opportunity. Sal On Jan 5, 2006, at 4:17 PM, bbrigante wrote: ohn Lasher does not own Utopia Park. The trailer park in question is in town. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Utopia Park is for sale? Gosh, the TMO must be even more desperate > than I thought. And calling it 'ideal' when almost 25% of the trailers > are currently empty seems a bit fanciful. I imagine if anybody (other > than the Zims) had that kind of cash to pony up, Fairfield would not be > the first place on their list to spend it in. > > Sal >
[FairfieldLife] Witness-consciousness
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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the $2500 fee Break down the cost allocations: Franchise Fee 50% SV Facilities 10% Office Exp. Support 5% Advertising and PR10% Presentation Media 5% Health Ins, 401k, ATR 10% Travel 5% Salary10% Looking at a 200 Euro fee Franchise Fee 600 (=10%) SV Facilities 800 Office Exp. Support 600 Advertising and PR 500 Presentation Media 500 Health Ins 300 Travel 200 Salary 2500 total 6000 divided by 30 (initiations) gives a 200 fee. Sounds good ! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Nonsense. Even Jesus accepted money for his Church. Monks and priests have always been paid for their services since the beginning of time. Ancient cultures considered these services paramount and the most practical thing they could do, and were quite happy to be materialistic about it, and pay for it, just like you would for TV, airplanes, buses, internet computer, etc. You just have your priorities skewed. Also, almost all ancient cultures had some concept of Karma, and believed that they were given what they had for a reason (wether they were given poverty or wealth), And Maharishi has said that it is the 'deserving ability' of the people that allows them to gain the necessary means, which is what almost all ancient cultures believed, including Guru Dev's cultural worldview. Is there any record of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati *charging* for a mantra? Or was it just on a donation basis? Or was it free? FREE !??? GET OVER IT ! Only Maharishi and a few others have given techniques for freeand that NEVER lasts. NEVER. It is a fact of life. If you wanted knoweldge from Guru Dev you had to DONATE your time as a worker, and a lot of it, OR, pay for it (yagyas etc.), or gain good karma by being a DONOR to the temple. By our standards it would not be much, but by Indian standards in those days it was not insignificant. OffWorld I have teached a lot of students for free. With good following-up, most of them continue. Ingegerd Good. Can people take the TM-Sidhis if a teacher is not recertified? I must admit, when I took up TM I was doing it for the Sidhis, because I knew it would be powerful and I felt I wanted something more than a simple relaxation technique. It would be awful if I could not have taken the Sidhis. (I for one, hate this whole recert thing) OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting other support operations - at least that's the business angle on understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn. I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks down in my mind. True, but don't you remember, EVEN WHEN IT WAS CHEAP in the the 80's not a lot of people were learning. So what is the difference, especially if someone has a will to learn , then they will learn. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/5/06 11:12:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People continue to meditate because they have good experience, regardless of what they have paid or not paid. If they have not good experience, they stop even if they have paid $ 2.500. And if they stop after paying such a large sum, which could have been used to pay off the car or get ahead on the mortgage etc, they could easily feel fooled and become bitter about it. Wow, you really are out of touch. Do you know how much a car costs these days ? , and how much a mortgage is Remember 15-20 years ago you could buy a new car for $9,000, and a good house for 90,000 (now you probably need 200,000 to 400,000 - depending where you are) OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting other support operations - at least that's the business angle on understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn. Agreed. I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks down in my mind. I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor of 12.3 times since then. A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home in the SF Bay Area was $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier area was $5 ($75 now), hardbound best sellers were around $2, a new VW was $1200 or so (I think), etc. Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an adult is about $925. One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas, gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product offering at $925. An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different). Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. And heck, you get a King thrown in for free! (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38 years.) http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp? ID=14440 That is exactly what I was just thinking. Thanks ! Rick you should add this to some archive file that has to do with TM rates ?? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a month or so. If you want it taught only by volunteers in their (non sv) homes, then thats another business / marketing model. Not superior or inferior, but a diferent model, aimed at a different segment of students. This may be a good model of AoL and Amma. But it is NOT going to reach or be appealing for a large part of society. And in AoL, and I believe its similar with Amma, you often go to lectures or advanced meeting / follow-ups where the majority of seating is on the floor, in someone's well-lived-in home, lead by a volunteer -- sometimes with sketchy experience or background. And one is expected or encouraged to sing hindu hyms, is addressed as a devotee of , a majority of the fellow students have non-professional backgrounds and education, sprinkled with a few quite odd characters. Group practices can involve hugging everyone in the room, starring into others eyes for a prolonged period, and addressing others with some group sanctioned phrase such as I belong to you. While all of this is great stuff for many, for many more, particularly career-focussed professionals, much of this type of setting is unappealing and simple not something they would participate in - or stay more than 10 minutes for -- if drawn to an initial meeting. The programs are simply NOT comparable, It will never work. It is a waste of time. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38 years.) http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp? ID=14440 That is exactly what I was just thinking. Thanks ! Rick you should add this to some archive file that has to do with TM rates ?? OffWorld * There are several inflation calculators that do the math for you: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the cost comparisons. I suspect that, had the TMO continued to amass good research to support its case, a $1,000 course fee would be reasonable today. But the ideological zeal, the death of Skip Alexander and Maharishi's abandonment of science all demolished that possibility. TM has good cardiovascular research now, but what else? REHABILITATION 2004: The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5. EDUCATION 2005: http://tinyurl.com/7j6cn CARDIOLOGY 2005: http://tinyurl.com/bu6pl OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a month or so. Break down the cost allocations: Franchise Fee 50% SV Facilities 10% Office Exp. Support 5% Advertising and PR10% Presentation Media5% Health Ins, 401k, ATR 10% Travel5% Salary10% Salary = 10% x 2500 x 30 = $7500 / month pre tax salary, about $90,000 per year. A low range amount for a mental / physical health professional. Probably only $70,000 a year if there is 2-3 month / year ATR requirement. And they need to afford SV housing on at this salary. If anything, this salary is too low. If you want full time professional teachers, a modest amount of advertuising and PR, professional facilities, (and franchise requirements specify and require SV -- an added cost), reasonable benefits, a running automobile --not full of dents, for teachers etc., then $2500 is about what it would take. If you want it taught only by volunteers in their (non sv) homes, then thats another business / marketing model. Not superior or inferior, but a diferent model, aimed at a different segment of students. This may be a good model of AoL and Amma. But it is NOT going to reach or be appealing for a large part of society. Previously I have been aghast at the $2500 figure for some time. But now, looking at the i) pricing side (inflation adjusted, mature product and all) and the ii) cost side, it seems quite reasonable. The third tier is value. Is neo TM, taught in an SV center by a professional, educated, professionally dressed and transported, articulate teacher, living in a SV house, with a large, available product line TM enhancing products, of with good personal follow- up -- checking, etc, worth $2500? Excellent Analyis ! Someone should keep this so that when all the gripers start griping they can be referred to it, then maybe the horse can stop being whipped. I just paid $650 to join a swim pool for a year for lap swim 3 or 4 times a week. Multiply that by 10 years, and add for inflation I am looking to spend maybe $8,000, just to go swimming a few times a week. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A good swim costs about $8,000.
I just paid $650 to go swimming a few times a weekfor a year. Over 10 years this will likely be about $8,000 with inflation. TM lasts a lifetime and gets better over the life of the product and does not depreciate like a car. Even if you have not meditated for years, if one found oneself in a prison or some dire place, this practice would be WORTH A FORTUNE to you. It is the most precious gift a human can recieve and for all those who are complaining, may you find yourself in a (short term) dire situation, whereby you fall back on effortless TM and find how incredibly valuable it is to you. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A good swim costs about $8,000.
Yes, i agree with you brother. Let's take a little time to think how much we spend for car and house already? Then we think which one is the most important in your life? your self or your car of your house? if you have good car and nice house, but you forget your self, you are not taking care of your self development then? If yes, by having lot money and good car and nice house make everyone happy then why lot of rich people still unhappy? then why they have to change their car, by new house? that indicate everything from out side could not give fulfillment. TM is meaningfull for your life--may be you already experience it by your self-- and just do it twice a day and stop complain. and you already paid don't you? so why do you just meditate twice a day?Hari OM Tat Sat iwsoff_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just paid $650 to go swimming a few times a weekfor a year. Over 10 years this will likely be about $8,000 with inflation.TM lasts a lifetime and gets better over the life of the product and does not depreciate like a car. Even if you have not meditated for years, if one found oneself in a prison or some dire place, this practice would be WORTH A FORTUNE to you. It is the most precious gift a human can recieve and for all those who are complaining, may you find yourself in a (short term) dire situation, whereby you fall back on effortless TM and find how incredibly valuable it is to you.OffWorld Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- off_world_beings posted: REHABILITATION 2004: The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5 Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering learning a meditation technique. May be of interest to government officials, though. The real need here is to compare TM with vipassana meditation, because the vipassanites are teaching in prisons for free. EDUCATION 2005: http://tinyurl.com/7j6cn This cites research on hypertension, which I already said was the only area where strong research is being done. Other citations include stress relief (yawn) and a very small, hardly conclusive study on attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Let's see a longitudinal study on 500 ADHD kids -- that's what I mean when I lament the absence of really solid research. You show concrete improvement in attention and parents will write the checks for $2,500. CARDIOLOGY 2005: http://tinyurl.com/bu6pl Again, my lament is for the absence of research on somethign other than hypertension. Despite the impressive research on blood pressure, I don't hear about people learning TM to control hypertension, nor do I hear about insurance companies footing the bill. Thanks for digging those up, Off World, all the same. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
On Jan 5, 2006, at 8:27 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Excellent Analyis ! Someone should keep this so that when all the gripers start griping they can be referred to it, then maybe the horse can stop being whipped. I just paid $650 to join a swim pool for a year for lap swim 3 or 4 times a week. Multiply that by 10 years, and add for inflation I am looking to spend maybe $8,000, just to go swimming a few times a week. Yes, excellent. It highlights well the expensive aspect of the Unified Field. How could one not want to pay this low price for a proven technology of the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature, esp. the technology of mental mantra recitation! It is so rare, so unique--we just have to have it. Surely others will recognize, not only it's crucial importance for the individual, but it's important role in creating world peace through mental mantra usage. When we can we should corrupt the vows of other religious practitioners and get them to start. As always, we will lie and not tell them these are the mantras of worldly gods snicker. They'll buy it! If the can't afford it, we'll loan them the money. It's the compassionate thing to do! The International Maharishi Monetary Fund will provide the debt, er, prosperity to help foster this wonderful goal, this amazing technology of mechanical mantra repetition!Jai Guru Dev! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
