[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization > you > > > haven't > > > > > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the > > > years, > > > > > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY > apparently > > > is > > > > > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order > to > > > > > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the > > > entropy > > > > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but > > > mostly, the > > > > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > > > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only > way > > > you > > > > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the > > > Kingdom of > > > > > Heaven these days... > > > > > > > > > > > > > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose > and > > > at > > > > what cost (and I don't mean just money)? > > > > > > > > > > Time will tell. Check out David Lynch's talk on TM at the > University > > > of Washington. He's given about a dozen of these presentations so > > > far, maybe more. This is the quality of introduction to TM that > > > students are getting these days. Not something that your usual > low- > > > paid volunteers in an all-volunteer organization are able to do, > IMHO. > > > > > > http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.asp?rid=2756 > > > > > > > I guess they were only good for the first few million meditators, > > 20-40,000 teachers and the first few billions in revenue. Now it's > > easier... > > > > JohnY > > > > It's intersting how people can bandy these figures around without > ever blinking. > > 6 million instructed at $400 each = $2.4 billion. Assuming that > everyone paid that much, there's still the 50% that went to the local > center and TM teacher. $1.2 gross revenues over 50 years isn't > exactly the most profitable of international companies. > > It also doesn't make sense because the most expensive place in the > world to learn TM has always been the USA, and greatest wave of > initiations was in the mid-70's during the Merv years, where as many > as 35,000 people per month were starting, paying about $125 each with > half that revenue staying with the local TM center and teacher. > > $4.4 million a month for a few months, call it a year, in the mid- > 70's, just doesn't translate into "billions," even if the rest of the > world were learning at the 10x the rate, paying the same amount and > no teacher or center was ever paid, we'd only get $44 million per > month for 12 months, which STILL doesn't compute. > You're forgetting all the other stuff. TTC, siddhi's, ayeurvedic, jyotish, yagya, bliss, pycho, eating,smoking, advanced, purusha, books, sci, miu, fundraisers, pundits, courses, books, and of course real estate, investments, vibration, sv, tony's book, miu press, raams, ragas, millionaires... it adds up. And I was more concerned with the people who helped and provided their loyal service, often at great cost to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised them as "low-paid volunteers". They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Does a million $ buy loyalty?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > So, who is more likely to be loyal to MMY and the TMO, > > the guy who is willing to pay $1 million to the TMO for > > the privledge of wearing a funny hat and helping to make > > policy, or the guy who mocks the first guy? > > We'll see who beats feet and how fast. Time will tell. But > results would be better. Just as a topic for discussion, *does* money buy loyalty in spiritual organizations? Sparaig's theory above is that the guy who paid a million bucks to wear a funny hat and be a Raja is more likely to remain loyal to the organization after Maharishi is dead. My experience in other organizations tells me dif- ferently. I would be willing to bet that a lot of these Rajas -- probably over 50% of them -- are going to beat feet from the TMO within two to three years after Maharishi's death. Why? Well, it all has to do with what they *bought* for their million dollars. What they bought was *attention*, pure and simple. These people paid a million dollars each so that they could 1) get more attention from Maharishi during the last years of his life, and 2) get more attention from the lower-level TMers around them, who have to "look up to them" as the top level in a *very* hierarchical organization. This same phenomenon -- buying your way to the top -- shows up in a lot of other spiritual organizations. And one of the things you notice in those organizations is that as soon as the guy in charge dies, those who *have* bought their way to the top and positioned them- selves as his "closest followers" are often the first ones to leave. Where do they go? To another organization, and another teacher, where they buy their way to the top of *that* organization's attention hierarchy. So I'd be willing to bet that we'll see a lot of "bail-outs" among the Rajas as soon as Maharishi dies. These people didn't pay a million bucks to sit around and do the down-and-dirty daily work of running a large international organization. They paid a million bucks to get to spend some time around a dying spirit- ual teacher, and to get a lot of attention. As soon as they're not getting that attention any more, they'll start to look elsewhere for it. Mark my words. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you > > > knew ... > > > > I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for > > details past "how are initiations going?" They said quite > > well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had > > more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. > > Either that, or they're displaying the same degree of > honesty when telling you these things that they use > when telling them to themselves. Same degree of honesty as you display, huh, Barry? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... > > That's a trait picked up from Maharishi. Amazing how > many people will buy bullshit when you present it as > if you "knew." :-) Nope, more fantasy. Lawson never "spoke as though he knew." > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean > almost > > > > anything. > > > > How many each month since the recertification course? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has > a > > > > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their > new SV- > > > > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' > for me. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by > > > the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar > > > to fools. > > > > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and > > I suspect you don't either. > > Ah...sparaig offers a lesson in compassion. > > Always be willing to overlook ignorance, arrogance and > even outright insanity...as long as it happens to be in > another TM fanatic. Then it's permissible to cut the > guy a break and assume that there just might be a > rational explanation for his outburst...maybe. > > What makes me suspect that we wouldn't be seeing such > compassion if the same sort of thing had been said > by one of the people you consider an "anti-TMer," eh? Hilarious. He'd have said *exactly* the same thing that he just did to Bob. Just can't kick that addiction to fantasy, can ya, Barry? > Gawd...some day you people really have to DEAL with the > self importance thing. Maharishi LIED to you, for decades, > and you believed it. You really AREN'T the most important > and most highly evolved people on the planet. GET OVER IT. Is that what you thought when you were a big deal in the movement, Barry? Did you ever think you might have been lying to *yourself* back then? And that you're still doing it? What totally freaks you out--or would if you could be honest with yourself--is those of us who *aren't* TBs and are still committed *personally* to TM because it's had such good results in our lives. We never thought we were the most important or the most highly evolved people on the planet. We never took ourselves that seriously. It appears you did. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you > > knew ... > > I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for > details past "how are initiations going?" They said quite > well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had > more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. Either that, or they're displaying the same degree of honesty when telling you these things that they use when telling them to themselves. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... That's a trait picked up from Maharishi. Amazing how many people will buy bullshit when you present it as if you "knew." :-) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost > > > anything. > > > How many each month since the recertification course? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > > > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > > > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' for me. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by > > the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar > > to fools. > > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and > I suspect you don't either. Ah...sparaig offers a lesson in compassion. Always be willing to overlook ignorance, arrogance and even outright insanity...as long as it happens to be in another TM fanatic. Then it's permissible to cut the guy a break and assume that there just might be a rational explanation for his outburst...maybe. What makes me suspect that we wouldn't be seeing such compassion if the same sort of thing had been said by one of the people you consider an "anti-TMer," eh? Gawd...some day you people really have to DEAL with the self importance thing. Maharishi LIED to you, for decades, and you believed it. You really AREN'T the most important and most highly evolved people on the planet. GET OVER IT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Wow. Bob's a loon. A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his true colors from time to time so that no one is tempted to take him seriously. There should be a special shelf in the Self Help section for TM fanatics. It would be called, "We're Ok, everyone else is fucked." :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you > > haven't > > > > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the > > years, > > > > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently > > is > > > > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > > > > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the > > entropy > > > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but > > mostly, the > > > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way > > you > > > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the > > Kingdom of > > > > Heaven these days... > > > > > > > > > > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose and > > at > > > what cost (and I don't mean just money)? > > > > > > > Time will tell. Check out David Lynch's talk on TM at the University > > of Washington. He's given about a dozen of these presentations so > > far, maybe more. This is the quality of introduction to TM that > > students are getting these days. Not something that your usual low- > > paid volunteers in an all-volunteer organization are able to do, IMHO. > > > > http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.asp?rid=2756 > > > > I guess they were only good for the first few million meditators, > 20-40,000 teachers and the first few billions in revenue. Now it's > easier... > > JohnY > It's intersting how people can bandy these figures around without ever blinking. 6 million instructed at $400 each = $2.4 billion. Assuming that everyone paid that much, there's still the 50% that went to the local center and TM teacher. $1.2 gross revenues over 50 years isn't exactly the most profitable of international companies. It also doesn't make sense because the most expensive place in the world to learn TM has always been the USA, and greatest wave of initiations was in the mid-70's during the Merv years, where as many as 35,000 people per month were starting, paying about $125 each with half that revenue staying with the local TM center and teacher. $4.4 million a month for a few months, call it a year, in the mid- 70's, just doesn't translate into "billions," even if the rest of the world were learning at the 10x the rate, paying the same amount and no teacher or center was ever paid, we'd only get $44 million per month for 12 months, which STILL doesn't compute. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch Chris Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > go to > http://www.sonnyradio.com/chrisbliss.htm > and click on > Watch Chris Bliss > and watch the whole thing > > Anony-Not-in-Bliss-FF > Actually download it and watch several times. Being in action :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you > haven't > > > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the > years, > > > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently > is > > > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > > > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the > entropy > > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but > mostly, the > > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way > you > > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the > Kingdom of > > > Heaven these days... > > > > > > > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose and > at > > what cost (and I don't mean just money)? > > > > Time will tell. Check out David Lynch's talk on TM at the University > of Washington. He's given about a dozen of these presentations so > far, maybe more. This is the quality of introduction to TM that > students are getting these days. Not something that your usual low- > paid volunteers in an all-volunteer organization are able to do, IMHO. > > http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.asp?rid=2756 > I guess they were only good for the first few million meditators, 20-40,000 teachers and the first few billions in revenue. Now it's easier... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... > I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for details past "how are initiations going?" They said quite well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost > > > anything. > > > How many each month since the recertification course? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > > > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > > > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' for me. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost > > anything. > > How many each month since the recertification course? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > > regularly. > > > > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' for me. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Watch Chris Bliss
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But it's Sat Yug. Has been for almost nine months. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of > > Heaven these days... > > Maybe we are just going thru a phrase? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Where in Bob's post did he mention persecution, Sunshine? Since he didn't, there is no logic to your comment about witch burnings and public hangings. As Judy might say, you just made it up because you wanted to make his position look bad. You need to be careful with your sarcasm. Pretty soon you will find yourself always saying the opposite of what you really mean even when you're buying groceries. Then you'll probably get carted off somewhere for a full psychological examination and likely end up in the same ward as Sem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's always so refreshing to see how those who are the most > enthusiastic about TM are also those who show such understanding and > open-mindedness to other ways of thinking. Clearly, TM is working for > you. What's the next step...witch burnings? Public hangings? > > Sal > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:16 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 7:31 PM, authfriend wrote: > It's my understanding that MMY was referring > specifically to SSRS's hyperventilation > technique (not, of course, to SSRS himself). > And the phrase was "sugar-coated poison," just > for the record Hmmm. Hadn't heard that slant on it...actually makes more sense. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
But it's Sat Yug. Has been for almost nine months. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of > Heaven these days... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost > anything. > How many each month since the recertification course? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > regularly. > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' for me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you haven't > > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the years, > > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently is > > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > > > > > * > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of > > Heaven these days... > > > > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose and at > what cost (and I don't mean just money)? > Time will tell. Check out David Lynch's talk on TM at the University of Washington. He's given about a dozen of these presentations so far, maybe more. This is the quality of introduction to TM that students are getting these days. Not something that your usual low- paid volunteers in an all-volunteer organization are able to do, IMHO. http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.asp?rid=2756 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost anything. How many each month since the recertification course? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > regularly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way --
perhaps
> > too
> > > > > > polished for many of our tastes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has
little
> > > to do
> > > > > with real class, which generally isn't something you can
buy or
> > put a
> > > > > label on.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > > > > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think
is
> > possible,
> > > > > > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE
does it
> > > right --
> > > > > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a
greater
> > > than 50%
> > > > > > probability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
> > > >
> > > > Because they are without class I presume. If you are
conserned
> > about
> > > > my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
> > > > probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together
> > a "service"
> > > > that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are
optimistic.
> > > >
> > > > My point has been that the above is not a non-zero
probability,
> > though
> > > > it may be low. As you learn when you formally study
probability
> > and
> > > > risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign
extreme
> > > > probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
> > >
> > > MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in
India
> > > and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM
> > > program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after
MMY
> > goes
> > > and probably not from within the current inner circle.
> > >
> >
> > In what way is SSRS more popular?
> >
>
> My understanding is that at least here in the US most of the
teachers
> of SSRS's Sahaj Meditation were previously TM teachers. More popular
> in terms of affordable teaching that works?
More popular with people who are dissatisfied with the TMO as it has
been since they joined SSRS. That's hardly a large,*mainstream*
population to draw conclusions from, IMHO.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the > > value of > > > > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least > > within > > > > > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe > > even > > > > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to > > test > > > > > whose loyalty? > > > > > > > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during > > the > > > > > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > > > > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, > > let > > > > > alone need to have it tested? > > > > > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > > > > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught > > > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > > > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not > > > want to seem mean. It's such a special feeling to be tossed aside by > > > the organisation that you have worked for for years. > > > > > > Disloyalty, what crap. > > > > > > > So, who is more likely to be loyal to MMY and the TMO, the guy who is > > willing to pay $1 million to the TMO for the privledge of wearing a > > funny hat and helping to make policy, or the guy who mocks the first > > guy? > > > > We'll see who beats feet and how fast. Time will tell. But results > would be better. Just about every Rajah has been involved witht he TMO for decades, I believe. Thus far, they haven't split. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you haven't > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the years, > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently is > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > * > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of > Heaven these days... > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose and at what cost (and I don't mean just money)? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 5:33 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the > > > light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to > > > fools. > > > > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and I > > suspect you don't either. > > Mahesh once called SSRS "sweet poison". Not sure if he giggled or > scowled when he said it. Not sure it matters... It's my understanding that MMY was referring specifically to SSRS's hyperventilation technique (not, of course, to SSRS himself). And the phrase was "sugar-coated poison," just for the record. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps
> too
> > > > > polished for many of our tastes.
> > > >
> > > > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little
> > to do
> > > > with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or
> put a
> > > > label on.
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > > > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is
> possible,
> > > > > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it
> > right --
> > > > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater
> > than 50%
> > > > > probability.
> > > > >
> > > > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
> > >
> > > Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned
> about
> > > my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
> > > probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together
> a "service"
> > > that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic.
> > >
> > > My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability,
> though
> > > it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability
> and
> > > risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme
> > > probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
> >
> > MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in India
> > and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM
> > program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after MMY
> goes
> > and probably not from within the current inner circle.
> >
>
> In what way is SSRS more popular?
>
My understanding is that at least here in the US most of the teachers
of SSRS's Sahaj Meditation were previously TM teachers. More popular
in terms of affordable teaching that works?
JohnY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the > value of > > > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least > within > > > > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe > even > > > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to > test > > > > whose loyalty? > > > > > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during > the > > > > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, > let > > > > alone need to have it tested? > > > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught > > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not > > want to seem mean. It's such a special feeling to be tossed aside by > > the organisation that you have worked for for years. > > > > Disloyalty, what crap. > > > > So, who is more likely to be loyal to MMY and the TMO, the guy who is > willing to pay $1 million to the TMO for the privledge of wearing a > funny hat and helping to make policy, or the guy who mocks the first > guy? > We'll see who beats feet and how fast. Time will tell. But results would be better. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 5:33 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and I suspect > you don't either. Mahesh once called SSRS "sweet poison". Not sure if he giggled or scowled when he said it. Not sure it matters... ...it has been speculated that what M. *really* meant was SSRS was a "sweet poison" to your ignorance or something like that. He poisons your "small self". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 5:16 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Ah, yes, the Darth Shankar theory. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > Ah, though we have had some great displays of arrogance today, I think > Bob takes the crown. > Did he pay a million bucks for it though? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and I suspect you don't either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Yes, the deep compassion is awe-inspiring. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's always so refreshing to see how those who are the most > enthusiastic about TM are also those who show such understanding and > open-mindedness to other ways of thinking. Clearly, TM is working for > you. What's the next step...witch burnings? Public hangings? > > Sal > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:16 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
It's all part of the Kalyuga, Anon. Bob can't let his natural light shine through on this forum because all the rest of us wallowing in darkness would be blinded by the blaze. Sal On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:20 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Ah, though we have had some great displays of arrogance today, I think Bob takes the crown.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
It's always so refreshing to see how those who are the most enthusiastic about TM are also those who show such understanding and open-mindedness to other ways of thinking. Clearly, TM is working for you. What's the next step...witch burnings? Public hangings? Sal On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:16 PM, bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Ah, though we have had some great displays of arrogance today, I think Bob takes the crown. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you haven't > named. And there have been several schisms already over the years, > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently is > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > * There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of Heaven these days... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an > > > eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will > > not > > > seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to > > the > > > 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than > > > organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 > > > compared to 1980's. > > > > And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. > > They already do. Didn't you get that siddhi? They fly out much easier once the the stick in your butt is removed -- the one that makes one so rigid and mocking of new things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush-Shiva caricature in NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not a very good cartoon. What's he holding in his upper left hand? > * Instead of a trident weapon and a snake, the usual depiction, http://www.art-and-archaeology.com/india/khajuraho/khalak4.html it's a stick (for Iran) and a carrot (for India) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's > funny > > > hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... > > > > Have the anti-crown crowd, or "its just anarchaic mideval thing" > > observers, had a face to face with God lately? Or Gods? Notice > thier > > head wear? > > > > Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an > > eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will > not > > seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to > the > > 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than > > organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 > > compared to 1980's. > > And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. They already do. Didn't you get that siddhi? I can also make them fly out of my mouth. (Yeah, I already know all the "monkey breath" jokes.) I can even make them fly out with jeweled crowns. I wonder. Do people think Norwegians and Thais are out of it and hoplessly wierd because they have a king? And do they think it so so very odd and bizzare that the royalty wear crowns? (I think.) Hereditary rulers in the domain of consciousness is kind of a nice idea IMO. If they can keep collective consciousness clear, bright and progressive, where is the problem? IF the influence of their programs is shown scientifically to have a beneficial effect, the laughter will settle down - and respect will grow. I think some on this list present things far more humorous than rich men wearing crowns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush-Shiva caricature in NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not a very good cartoon. What's he holding in his upper left hand? > a snake: http://www.art-and-archaeology.com/india/khajuraho/khalak4.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny > > hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... > > Have the anti-crown crowd, or "its just anarchaic mideval thing" > observers, had a face to face with God lately? Or Gods? Notice thier > head wear? > > Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an > eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not > seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to the > 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than > organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 > compared to 1980's. And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny > hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... Have the anti-crown crowd, or "its just anarchaic mideval thing" observers, had a face to face with God lately? Or Gods? Notice thier head wear? Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to the 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 compared to 1980's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
"Yes, it sounded more like venting than rational analysis." Have the last word if you wish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" wrote: > > > But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO > > > I said I think there is less than a 10% chance the TMO will be > successful in the "elite" market in ten years. Thats not particularly > "hopeful". Actually, "hope" has nothing to do with it. I don't care > one way or another -- though I am hopeful and somewhat confident > (50/50 probability) that some org will sucessfully tailor programs for > that market. > > >and I have no > > interest in undermining your positivity and trust; > > None to undermine. I am just saying that there is more than a zero > probability that the TMO could be successful in the "elite" market in > ten years. Most posts here assume a zero chance. I think that is > short-sighted and closed-minded. > > >But I just need > > an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. > > Yes, it sounded more like venting than rational analysis. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO I said I think there is less than a 10% chance the TMO will be successful in the "elite" market in ten years. Thats not particularly "hopeful". Actually, "hope" has nothing to do with it. I don't care one way or another -- though I am hopeful and somewhat confident (50/50 probability) that some org will sucessfully tailor programs for that market. >and I have no > interest in undermining your positivity and trust; None to undermine. I am just saying that there is more than a zero probability that the TMO could be successful in the "elite" market in ten years. Most posts here assume a zero chance. I think that is short-sighted and closed-minded. >But I just need > an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. Yes, it sounded more like venting than rational analysis. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > anon_astute: well lucky you, you are so astute... you are 100% sure > the elite are not penny-pinching ...And you are 100% certain.. etc > etc... > No I don't expect either of us are 100% sure of anything. It's my > opinion, and it's your opinion. That's good enough for me. > > I don't think though the Rajas represent a good focus group. A > political party, for instance, would want a focus group representing > the spectrum of the population, not a group composed of the most > generous party supporters... > > No I wasn't there "in the planning sessions when this unfolded?" > But it's not a minority who think that "the whole unfolding of the > TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and > counterproductive". That is just observable "outcome". > > But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO and I have no > interest in undermining your positivity and trust; But I just need > an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. I used to be positive > & trusting myself.. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" > wrote: > > > > > > Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of > > > their way to save the odd dollar. > > > > Uh huh. Thats why they shop at Nordstroms and stay at $500 / night > > hotels. > > > > I am not saying they are not looking of a "deal" but its of > theorder > > of saving 15% on a case of $150/bottle Merlot. > > > > > They > > > want also the "badges" of the elite - designer labels etc to > > > demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their > > > appreciation of "quality" and celebrate their "belonging" to a > > > priviledged group. > > > > Um, but they penny pinch when doing so, right? > > > > > The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may > > > represent "quality" so do other techniques such as Buddhist > ones, > > > now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a > global > > > traditional "culture" of spirituality that is clearly at odds > with > > > the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. > And as > > > others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the > TMO's > > > public image there are not one but a huge number of things that > are > > > off-putting. The TMO is just not "cool", it's downright > embarassing. > > > > And you are 100% certain this will be the case in ten years, when > the > > new wave of Lynch (and other) funded research MAY be published in > > premier journals, gorgeous real good-vibe peace palaces MAY be in > > every wealthy neighborhood, and neo-TM teachers MAY be from "elite" > > families, socialy connected and adept, and dripping with ojas and > > peacefulness, doing program 6-8 hours a day? > > > > > If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have > made > > > sense to get elite advice on how to do this. > > > > Um, getting several hundred people willing to pay one million seems > > like a darn good focus group to me. > > > > > The reason so many of > > > us are baffled, > > > > the non-elites, right? > > > > > I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and > > > its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. > > > > And you have been there in the planning sessions when this > unfolded? > > You are 100% certain there is no substance to M.'s 50-100 years > plans > > for the org? > > > > > The > > > only thing that makes any overall sense > > > > sense to to you, right? Not sense in an objective sense,right? > > > > > is the "money-grabbing > > > tunnel-vision" interpretation; > > > > And yours is NOT a tunnel-vision" interpretation? > > > > > and a systematic avoidance of putting > > > the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done > it > > > with his own resources decades ago). > > > > You know this as 100% certain, and you know all of the tradeoffs > and > > factors involved inthe decision? Glad to see TM as made you so > > arrogance-free. > > > > >There is too much ignorance and > > > denigration of what good already exists around > > > > around this post? > > > > > - beautiful buildings > > > and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and > visual > > > sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. > > > > > In their place wooden, > > > ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority > > > figures > > > > You know the rajas personally? Now? I saw a video of Raja Felix. He > > did a good job, mannerism wise -- not wooden at all. Bright, > corgial, > > humerous, relaxed. And his wife was quite beautiful,graceful, and > down > > to earth. > > > > > > > who seem as unspiritual > > > > again, you hang with the rajas and have a basis for a cogent > opinion? > > > > >This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? I just saw an interview with HHDL on CNN. Quite nice in itself. But in a follow up interview with the DL interviewer, he mentioned "meditation", and said "whether its Transcendental Meditation or any meditation, lots of people are seeking meditation [as part of a "secularly spiritual life"]. Everyone knows the term Transcendental Meditation and TM. How many know the term "Sudarshan Kryia" (one of the main programs of SSRS)? Or if you mention Ravi Shankar and/or AOL -- how many think of SSRS and the Art of Living org, and not "that sitar player", or father of Nora Jones, and America-on-Line? SSRS and AOL may be getting quite popular in india, but I don't see AOL experiencing anything like the SIMS days popularity in the US. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
anon_astute: well lucky you, you are so astute... you are 100% sure the elite are not penny-pinching ...And you are 100% certain.. etc etc... No I don't expect either of us are 100% sure of anything. It's my opinion, and it's your opinion. That's good enough for me. I don't think though the Rajas represent a good focus group. A political party, for instance, would want a focus group representing the spectrum of the population, not a group composed of the most generous party supporters... No I wasn't there "in the planning sessions when this unfolded?" But it's not a minority who think that "the whole unfolding of the TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive". That is just observable "outcome". But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO and I have no interest in undermining your positivity and trust; But I just need an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. I used to be positive & trusting myself.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" wrote: > > > > Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of > > their way to save the odd dollar. > > Uh huh. Thats why they shop at Nordstroms and stay at $500 / night > hotels. > > I am not saying they are not looking of a "deal" but its of theorder > of saving 15% on a case of $150/bottle Merlot. > > > They > > want also the "badges" of the elite - designer labels etc to > > demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their > > appreciation of "quality" and celebrate their "belonging" to a > > priviledged group. > > Um, but they penny pinch when doing so, right? > > > The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may > > represent "quality" so do other techniques such as Buddhist ones, > > now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a global > > traditional "culture" of spirituality that is clearly at odds with > > the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. And as > > others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the TMO's > > public image there are not one but a huge number of things that are > > off-putting. The TMO is just not "cool", it's downright embarassing. > > And you are 100% certain this will be the case in ten years, when the > new wave of Lynch (and other) funded research MAY be published in > premier journals, gorgeous real good-vibe peace palaces MAY be in > every wealthy neighborhood, and neo-TM teachers MAY be from "elite" > families, socialy connected and adept, and dripping with ojas and > peacefulness, doing program 6-8 hours a day? > > > If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have made > > sense to get elite advice on how to do this. > > Um, getting several hundred people willing to pay one million seems > like a darn good focus group to me. > > > The reason so many of > > us are baffled, > > the non-elites, right? > > > I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and > > its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. > > And you have been there in the planning sessions when this unfolded? > You are 100% certain there is no substance to M.'s 50-100 years plans > for the org? > > > The > > only thing that makes any overall sense > > sense to to you, right? Not sense in an objective sense,right? > > > is the "money-grabbing > > tunnel-vision" interpretation; > > And yours is NOT a tunnel-vision" interpretation? > > > and a systematic avoidance of putting > > the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done it > > with his own resources decades ago). > > You know this as 100% certain, and you know all of the tradeoffs and > factors involved inthe decision? Glad to see TM as made you so > arrogance-free. > > >There is too much ignorance and > > denigration of what good already exists around > > around this post? > > > - beautiful buildings > > and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and visual > > sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. > > > In their place wooden, > > ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority > > figures > > You know the rajas personally? Now? I saw a video of Raja Felix. He > did a good job, mannerism wise -- not wooden at all. Bright, corgial, > humerous, relaxed. And his wife was quite beautiful,graceful, and down > to earth. > > > > who seem as unspiritual > > again, you hang with the rajas and have a basis for a cogent opinion? > > >This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for > > anyone, let alone an "elite"! > > Well, lucky for you, you are not an elite and won't have to make that > decisions. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > > > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > > > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > > > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > > > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > > > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > > > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > > > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > > > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he > > taught > > > > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > > > > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did > > not > > > > want to seem mean. > > > > > > Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally > > > considers the teachers who have chosen not to take > > > the "loyalty test" to be disloyal, or whether that's > > > something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies > > > and presented as if it were fact. > > > > > > > There are two loyalty tests: > > > > 1) paying a million dollars for the privledge of wearing a funny hat > > and helping to run the TMO; > > 2) accepting the requirement of recertification (and apparently > > bowing to the Rajahs) before going out to teach TM under the auspices > > of the TMO. > > > > or #3, there is no loyalty test, its the figment of some overactive > imaginations. > Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > >
> > > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps
too
> > > > polished for many of our tastes.
> > >
> > > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little
> to do
> > > with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or
put a
> > > label on.
> >
> >
> > OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is
possible,
> > > > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it
> right --
> > > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater
> than 50%
> > > > probability.
> > > >
> > > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
> >
> > Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned
about
> > my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
> > probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together
a "service"
> > that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic.
> >
> > My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability,
though
> > it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability
and
> > risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme
> > probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
>
> MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in India
> and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM
> program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after MMY
goes
> and probably not from within the current inner circle.
>
In what way is SSRS more popular?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? > > > > > > > > > > Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh > > > at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly > > > kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would > > > definately inspire them to start TM. > > > > > > JohnY > > > > I can imagine you guys as consultants to the catholic church centuries > > past: > > > > "Hey, the public will never go for these robes and crowns and big > > fancy marble churches. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! I mean this church is > > about ministring to the poor. If you put the pope in fancy gowns and > > three foot golden headwear, mark my words, its the END of the Church, > > No spiritually hip person, no elite, no poor will come within 100 > > miles of the church. It will NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! happen! > > > > Uncli, Joyoue and Vaja Consultants > > 432 AD > > That's our point. (1) The TMO is making itself look like a medieval > religion. If it wants to market itself that way it can, but according > to most of the faithful here that's not what the TMO is about. (2) > The Church did lose it's proper focus on the simple teachings of jesus > just as the TMO is losing its focus. > > I think one could argue that the spiritually hip and aware have indeed > avoided the institutional church ever since about 432 AD. > That may be, but the spiritual hip are seldom the monetarily/Power elite. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he > taught > > > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > > > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did > not > > > want to seem mean. > > > > Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally > > considers the teachers who have chosen not to take > > the "loyalty test" to be disloyal, or whether that's > > something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies > > and presented as if it were fact. > > > > There are two loyalty tests: > > 1) paying a million dollars for the privledge of wearing a funny hat > and helping to run the TMO; > 2) accepting the requirement of recertification (and apparently > bowing to the Rajahs) before going out to teach TM under the auspices > of the TMO. > or #3, there is no loyalty test, its the figment of some overactive imaginations. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
> >
> > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps
too
> > > polished for many of our tastes.
> >
> > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little
to do
> > with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or
put a
> > label on.
>
>
> OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
>
>
True enough. If TM *IS* a valid, "mechanical" spiritual technique,
the attitude of the student, aside from being willing to practice it,
is unimportant. However, people who are impressed by sterile, elitist
organizations who happen to have lots of money, influence, etc, are
among the ones who most need to practice a "valid" spiritual
technique.
> >
> > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is
possible,
> > > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it
right --
> > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater
than 50%
> > > probability.
> > >
> > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
>
> Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about
> my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
> probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together
a "service"
> that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic.
>
> My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability,
though
> it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and
> risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme
> probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught > > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not > > want to seem mean. > > Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally > considers the teachers who have chosen not to take > the "loyalty test" to be disloyal, or whether that's > something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies > and presented as if it were fact. > There are two loyalty tests: 1) paying a million dollars for the privledge of wearing a funny hat and helping to run the TMO; 2) accepting the requirement of recertification (and apparently bowing to the Rajahs) before going out to teach TM under the auspices of the TMO. The TM teachers who refuse to accept #2 before teaching TM are, by definition, "disloyal" to the TMO. They guys who don't want to wear funny hats after paying $1 million for the privledge don't have to pay $1 million for the privledge, but they also don't get to help run the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of > > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least within > > > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even > > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test > > > whose loyalty? > > > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the > > > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let > > > alone need to have it tested? > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not > want to seem mean. It's such a special feeling to be tossed aside by > the organisation that you have worked for for years. > > Disloyalty, what crap. > So, who is more likely to be loyal to MMY and the TMO, the guy who is willing to pay $1 million to the TMO for the privledge of wearing a funny hat and helping to make policy, or the guy who mocks the first guy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip" > > > > kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be "spiritual" but my ego > > needs to feel "hip". > > I tend to agree, but it's a factor to be dealt > with out there in the olde spiritual smorgasbord. > > My point is that -- among the ones doing the > shopping -- TM is considered pretty much the > most pedestrian, least interesting, and least > viable of the many spiritual paths. If you talk > to people who are cruising the lectures and the > bookstores in search of enlightenment or even a > little peace these days, you'll find that for > most of them learning TM is considered pretty > much the last resort, a fallback position if > nothing else works out for them. I've actually > heard the phrase, "Well, you can always learn > TM," followed by group laughter at the idea of > some poor schmoe who is so out of it that the > only thing he could learn is TM. > > I'm not saying it *should* be -- I actually think > that plain vanilla TM is more beneficial than many > of the things considered "hipper" -- but that's > the way it is. I just think that the people who > still think it's widely respected should get out > more. > Heh. Amongst scientists in the know, TM is "there" while most others aren't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a > > closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of > > possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will > > be going to SV centers to learn TM. > > It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- > arguably the most sophisticated "shoppers" and consumers--would not > see through the 20,000+ USD it would take to get the TM technique > it's not-so-advanced TM "advanced techniques" and the TM$P. It would > not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know > that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs > cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. Also the level > of spiritual naivete on 'things eastern' is much less than it was in > TM's hayday. It is likely the level of understanding will only > increase in the future, further lessening the palatability of 'be- all > and end-all' meditation techniques sold as a fast-track to > enlightenment. > > And hasn't the main influx in Neo-Hindu meditation *already* shifted > to SSRS's empire--including the top 2-3%? > Really? SSRS has how many trained teachers in how many places in the world? Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM regularly. FOr anyone seriouslyinterested in TM who can't afford it, they can point them tothe CitiBank loans and/or David Lynch's foundation. And MMY may provide auxiliary services to those who want them, such as Ayurveda and SV design, etc., but there is no requirement that anyone participate in such services. BTW, why do you call SSRS or by implication, TM, Neo-Hindu meditation? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least within > the > > realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test > > whose loyalty? > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the > past > > 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let > > alone need to have it tested? > > The rajahs were tested fortheir loyalty by paying $1 million for the > privledge of wearing funny hats. In exchange, they were given > managerial positions in the TMO. > > Can you imagine Deepak Chopra ever wearing a funny hat in public? Sure. He wears funny sweaters all the time. SSRS wears very funny hats sometimes. If you can't laugh at yourself, the stick up your butt prevents the kundalini from fully flowing. Kundalini Sutras, Ch xii, V34 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of > their way to save the odd dollar. Uh huh. Thats why they shop at Nordstroms and stay at $500 / night hotels. I am not saying they are not looking of a "deal" but its of theorder of saving 15% on a case of $150/bottle Merlot. > They > want also the "badges" of the elite - designer labels etc to > demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their > appreciation of "quality" and celebrate their "belonging" to a > priviledged group. Um, but they penny pinch when doing so, right? > The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may > represent "quality" so do other techniques such as Buddhist ones, > now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a global > traditional "culture" of spirituality that is clearly at odds with > the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. And as > others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the TMO's > public image there are not one but a huge number of things that are > off-putting. The TMO is just not "cool", it's downright embarassing. And you are 100% certain this will be the case in ten years, when the new wave of Lynch (and other) funded research MAY be published in premier journals, gorgeous real good-vibe peace palaces MAY be in every wealthy neighborhood, and neo-TM teachers MAY be from "elite" families, socialy connected and adept, and dripping with ojas and peacefulness, doing program 6-8 hours a day? > If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have made > sense to get elite advice on how to do this. Um, getting several hundred people willing to pay one million seems like a darn good focus group to me. > The reason so many of > us are baffled, the non-elites, right? > I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and > its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. And you have been there in the planning sessions when this unfolded? You are 100% certain there is no substance to M.'s 50-100 years plans for the org? > The > only thing that makes any overall sense sense to to you, right? Not sense in an objective sense,right? > is the "money-grabbing > tunnel-vision" interpretation; And yours is NOT a tunnel-vision" interpretation? > and a systematic avoidance of putting > the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done it > with his own resources decades ago). You know this as 100% certain, and you know all of the tradeoffs and factors involved inthe decision? Glad to see TM as made you so arrogance-free. >There is too much ignorance and > denigration of what good already exists around around this post? > - beautiful buildings > and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and visual > sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. > In their place wooden, > ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority > figures You know the rajas personally? Now? I saw a video of Raja Felix. He did a good job, mannerism wise -- not wooden at all. Bright, corgial, humerous, relaxed. And his wife was quite beautiful,graceful, and down to earth. > who seem as unspiritual again, you hang with the rajas and have a basis for a cogent opinion? >This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for > anyone, let alone an "elite"! Well, lucky for you, you are not an elite and won't have to make that decisions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least within > > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test > > whose loyalty? > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the > > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let > > alone need to have it tested? > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > coming from an insane organization. > > It's like saying, "These teachers who don't do what > they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did > diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are > still loyal." > > Yeah, right. > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you haven't named. And there have been several schisms already over the years, including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently is triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of > the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the > realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test > whose loyalty? > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past > 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let > alone need to have it tested? The rajahs were tested fortheir loyalty by paying $1 million for the privledge of wearing funny hats. In exchange, they were given managerial positions in the TMO. Can you imagine Deepak Chopra ever wearing a funny hat in public? And there's no loyalty test for TMers, only for the managers of the TMO. > > > > > > > Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the > > independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty > > test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more > > likely to survive in the long run. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > on 3/23/06 2:16 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the > > > > potential > > > > > > of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage > > of it: > > > > > > > > > > They shouldn't bother, because as soon as the educators get > > wind of > > > > rajas, > > > > > Hail Mugabe, and rebuilding all the world's cities, they'll run > > > > scared. > > > > > OTOH, they may go to Mike Scozzari, Farrokh, and other > > independent > > > > teachers > > > > > who'll teach TM pure and simple, at a reasonable price. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of > > the > > > > independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a > > loyalty > > > > test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more > > > > likely to survive in the long run. > > > > > > > > > > Now, I may have heard it all. Loyalty test, sure. > > > > Actually, I'm not the only one who suspects this. > > > > > > Everyone that I have > > > seen take a look at the new rajas on the web don't ever mention an > > > interest in TM again. > > > > Did you mention to those who've glanced at the pictures that the > > rajahs had to pay a million dollars each for the privledge of wearing > > the funny hats? Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? > > > > Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh > at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly > kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would > definately inspire them to start TM. Talk to your disenchanted friends. ANd explain the above. See what they say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? > > > > > > > > > > Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh > > > at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly > > > kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would > > > definately inspire them to start TM. > > > > > > JohnY > > > > I can imagine you guys as consultants to the catholic church centuries > > past: > > > > "Hey, the public will never go for these robes and crowns and big > > fancy marble churches. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! I mean this church is > > about ministring to the poor. If you put the pope in fancy gowns and > > three foot golden headwear, mark my words, its the END of the Church, > > No spiritually hip person, no elite, no poor will come within 100 > > miles of the church. It will NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! happen! > > > > Uncli, Joyoue and Vaja Consultants > > 432 AD > > That's our point. (1) The TMO is making itself look like a medieval > religion. If it wants to market itself that way it can, but according > to most of the faithful here that's not what the TMO is about. (2) > The Church did lose it's proper focus on the simple teachings of jesus > just as the TMO is losing its focus. > > I think one could argue that the spiritually hip and aware have indeed > avoided the institutional church ever since about 432 AD. Well I left it in 428 and was still very hip. :) But you appear to be confusing two separate points. First, my point, is that people are not as turned off by some "radical" things ten or 50 years hence, as we may initially think. Second, a focus on ostentatious behavior may well be a sign of decline on any organizations, particlularly a spiritual one. Though perhaps less to for one focusing solely on ostentatious people (top 3% of earners) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
> >
> > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too
> > > polished for many of our tastes.
> >
> > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little
to do
> > with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a
> > label on.
>
>
> OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
>
>
> >
> > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible,
> > > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it
right --
> > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater
than 50%
> > > probability.
> > >
> > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
>
> Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about
> my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
> probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together a "service"
> that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic.
>
> My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability, though
> it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and
> risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme
> probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in India
and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM
program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after MMY goes
and probably not from within the current inner circle.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of their way to save the odd dollar. It justifies their sense of superiority towards the masses who "waste money" and "don't work hard" enough or "aren't clever enough" to do what they can do. They want also the "badges" of the elite - designer labels etc to demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their appreciation of "quality" and celebrate their "belonging" to a priviledged group. The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may represent "quality" so do other techniques such as Buddhist ones, now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a global traditional "culture" of spirituality that is clearly at odds with the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. And as others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the TMO's public image there are not one but a huge number of things that are off-putting. The TMO is just not "cool", it's downright embarassing. If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have made sense to get elite advice on how to do this. The reason so many of us are baffled, I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. The only thing that makes any overall sense is the "money-grabbing tunnel-vision" interpretation; and a systematic avoidance of putting the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done it with his own resources decades ago). There is too much ignorance and denigration of what good already exists around - beautiful buildings and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and visual sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. In their place wooden, ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority figures who seem as unspiritual as the rest of us in spite of decades of practice and fortunes spent on courses and support for MMY. This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for anyone, let alone an "elite"! But then they feel good als --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > > > Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the > > > > ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public > > > > courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the > > elites got > > > > wise and started shopping at walmart as they "saw through" the > > > > Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in > > 2016 > > > > its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get > > a bed > > > > at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. > > > > > > This is not an analogous comparison: in each of the above instances, > > > when you pay more money, you get more. The "elite" know this and > > will > > > pay more, to get more. They are therefore unlikely to pay more > > for TM > > > to get less when they can get more--often much more--elsewhere for > > > their buck. > > > > What is the "more" that they get? They all get similar clothing, a > > safe bed and shower, and a place to play golf. The extra non-core > > attributes, some value some don't. Many elite do value them and will > > pay for them. > > Finer quality clothing; nicer room with many amenities like internet > on your TV with wireless, even butlers at some hotels, several rooms, > massage, etc.; nicer greens, top-rate gourmet restuarant, nicer > clubhouse, celebs, politicians, etc. > > > How can you possibly say with certainty that the beyond core > > attributes that the TMO, or some org, is able to provide in 10 years > > will not have sufficient value to the top 3% of earners that they will > > pay for them? > > It's just my sense from being at around other people of what they > want. TM has been "passe" for a while now. Overpriced TM is even more > passe. > > > > > > > > > But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont > > > > think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing > > bajans, or > > > > go to courses and hug everyone while saying "I belong to you", or > > > > sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm > > room only > > > > facilities. > > > > > > Or the toxic mold of Livingston Manor? It would be interesting to > > > know what the occupancy rates are at the Raj--a facility which might > > > appeal to some elite who enjoy vacations in Iowa. > > > > > You and Barry can contine to respond to ghost posts that manifest only > > in your minds, but the point I am raising as conjecture is that a > > neo-TM in ten years, if properly done, may be attractive to the top > > 2-3% of incomes earners. That has nothing to do with toxix mold in > > Livingsoton Manor in 2006. > > I was responding to your comments on "funky facilities". > > > > > Regarding the Raj, I have not been there so Ican't address it. But I > > have been to Ch
[FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > From a friend. Anyone know the answer to this?: > > > > I've heard that there is some phrase that helps someone passing on.that > > is to be whispered to them as they pass. Do you know of this? > > Having a notion that you know what is best to say to someone upon their passing is such > arrogant thinking. (albeit innocent) Not surprising attitudes coming from a bastardized > version of what Adi Shankara began long ago. Being told we knew everything in order to > give some innocent fool enlightentment. It's to be expected in this kali age that this type > of thinking would develop into believing we know what sounds should be the last that > some poor soul should hear. > > Does anyone here really believe they know what is best for another's journey? > > Can you imagine the karmic ramifications of such an act? Who would want to incur such? > > Is it not best to chant names of the Lord for yourself, praying for their well being, leaving > it up to God? > > Om Shanti Glad to see that you have transcended arrogance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? > > > > > > > Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh > > at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly > > kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would > > definately inspire them to start TM. > > > > JohnY > > I can imagine you guys as consultants to the catholic church centuries > past: > > "Hey, the public will never go for these robes and crowns and big > fancy marble churches. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! I mean this church is > about ministring to the poor. If you put the pope in fancy gowns and > three foot golden headwear, mark my words, its the END of the Church, > No spiritually hip person, no elite, no poor will come within 100 > miles of the church. It will NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! happen! > > Uncli, Joyoue and Vaja Consultants > 432 AD That's our point. (1) The TMO is making itself look like a medieval religion. If it wants to market itself that way it can, but according to most of the faithful here that's not what the TMO is about. (2) The Church did lose it's proper focus on the simple teachings of jesus just as the TMO is losing its focus. I think one could argue that the spiritually hip and aware have indeed avoided the institutional church ever since about 432 AD. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From a friend. Anyone know the answer to this?: > > I've heard that there is some phrase that helps someone passing on.that > is to be whispered to them as they pass. Do you know of this? Having a notion that you know what is best to say to someone upon their passing is such arrogant thinking. (albeit innocent) Not surprising attitudes coming from a bastardized version of what Adi Shankara began long ago. Being told we knew everything in order to give some innocent fool enlightentment. It's to be expected in this kali age that this type of thinking would develop into believing we know what sounds should be the last that some poor soul should hear. Does anyone here really believe they know what is best for another's journey? Can you imagine the karmic ramifications of such an act? Who would want to incur such? Is it not best to chant names of the Lord for yourself, praying for their well being, leaving it up to God? Om Shanti Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the > > > ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public > > > courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the > elites got > > > wise and started shopping at walmart as they "saw through" the > > > Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in > 2016 > > > its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get > a bed > > > at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. > > > > This is not an analogous comparison: in each of the above instances, > > when you pay more money, you get more. The "elite" know this and > will > > pay more, to get more. They are therefore unlikely to pay more > for TM > > to get less when they can get more--often much more--elsewhere for > > their buck. > > What is the "more" that they get? They all get similar clothing, a > safe bed and shower, and a place to play golf. The extra non-core > attributes, some value some don't. Many elite do value them and will > pay for them. Finer quality clothing; nicer room with many amenities like internet on your TV with wireless, even butlers at some hotels, several rooms, massage, etc.; nicer greens, top-rate gourmet restuarant, nicer clubhouse, celebs, politicians, etc. > How can you possibly say with certainty that the beyond core > attributes that the TMO, or some org, is able to provide in 10 years > will not have sufficient value to the top 3% of earners that they will > pay for them? It's just my sense from being at around other people of what they want. TM has been "passe" for a while now. Overpriced TM is even more passe. > > > > > But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont > > > think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing > bajans, or > > > go to courses and hug everyone while saying "I belong to you", or > > > sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm > room only > > > facilities. > > > > Or the toxic mold of Livingston Manor? It would be interesting to > > know what the occupancy rates are at the Raj--a facility which might > > appeal to some elite who enjoy vacations in Iowa. > > > You and Barry can contine to respond to ghost posts that manifest only > in your minds, but the point I am raising as conjecture is that a > neo-TM in ten years, if properly done, may be attractive to the top > 2-3% of incomes earners. That has nothing to do with toxix mold in > Livingsoton Manor in 2006. I was responding to your comments on "funky facilities". > > Regarding the Raj, I have not been there so Ican't address it. But I > have been to Chopra's Center in La Jolla, and lots of "elites" were > flocking there. And his prices were on par, perhaps higher than the > Raj. And 20 times what the local AV tech was offering 5 miles away in > Pacific Beach, in their garage for the same thing. Exactly--and it is these type of places I would expect to continue to see "elites" go to. > > My point has little to do with the TM brand, and nothing to do with > loyalties to the TM -- I left for the most part, body, heart and soul, > in 1978. But I think that there is an opportunity and need > for SOMEONE, som org, to do IT in a classy, polished that appeals to > the upper strata of society. And clients will be happy to pay a > premium price. Yes, I agree--I just would be amazed if it was the TMO. There already are such facilities (as you pointed out) and some appear to be be doing quite well. Did you happen to catch the 60 Minutes installment on people who go to Thailand and India for surgeries? It's incredible. The same thing is happening with panchakarma. It's very, very reasonable and you receive better care than in the US. > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too > polished for many of our tastes. But that he or his "team" eventually > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% > probability. Some of the things are done very well. For example, if anything, I could see elite continuing to use TMO panchakarma mansions if another similar facility does not happen. Some may learn TM while there. The organic farming subscription plan also sounds very promising to me-- and you have a sense this will be done quite well--certainly better than federal standards. I have a colleague whose daughter is raking in 200K a year on her own organic farm, which is rather small, so it could also work--if the movement doesn't fold. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from t
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
>
> > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too
> > polished for many of our tastes.
>
> Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little to do
> with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a
> label on.
OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
>
> > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible,
> > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right --
> > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50%
> > probability.
> >
> I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about
my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together a "service"
that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic.
My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability, though
it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and
risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme
probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > coming from an insane organization. > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not > want to seem mean. Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally considers the teachers who have chosen not to take the "loyalty test" to be disloyal, or whether that's something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies and presented as if it were fact. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little to do with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or put a label on. But that he or his "team" eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least within > > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test > > whose loyalty? > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the > > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let > > alone need to have it tested? > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > coming from an insane organization. > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not want to seem mean. It's such a special feeling to be tossed aside by the organisation that you have worked for for years. Disloyalty, what crap. JohnY > It's like saying, "These teachers who don't do what > they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did > diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are > still loyal." > > Yeah, right. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip" > > > > kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be "spiritual" but my ego > > needs to feel "hip". > > I tend to agree, but it's a factor to be dealt > with out there in the olde spiritual smorgasbord. > > My point is that -- among the ones doing the > shopping -- TM is considered pretty much the > most pedestrian, least interesting, and least > viable of the many spiritual paths. If you talk > to people who are cruising the lectures and the > bookstores in search of enlightenment or even a > little peace these days, you'll find that for > most of them learning TM is considered pretty > much the last resort, a fallback position if > nothing else works out for them. I've actually > heard the phrase, "Well, you can always learn > TM," followed by group laughter at the idea of > some poor schmoe who is so out of it that the > only thing he could learn is TM. > > I'm not saying it *should* be -- I actually think > that plain vanilla TM is more beneficial than many > of the things considered "hipper" -- but that's > the way it is. I just think that the people who > still think it's widely respected should get out > more. I agree. TM as we know it, AKA the SIMS days, the way it was taught, its image,etc are dead. What I am postulating is that a new, classy TM, with world class research, nice SV teaching centers, glowing classy teachers dripping with ojas, may be attractive to those making over $300-400,000 a year, in 10 years or so. Or some other program will fill the "need". At the same prices. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:04 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > > > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its > > quite a > > > > closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of > > > > possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of > > society will > > > > be going to SV centers to learn TM. > > > > > > It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- > > > arguably the most sophisticated "shoppers" and consumers--would not > > > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, the 20,000+ USD it > > would take to get the TM technique > > > it's not-so-advanced TM "advanced techniques" and the TM$P. It would > > > not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know > > > that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs > > > cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. > > > > Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the > > ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public > > courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got > > wise and started shopping at walmart as they "saw through" the > > Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 > > its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed > > at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. > > This is not an analogous comparison: in each of the above instances, > when you pay more money, you get more. The "elite" know this and will > pay more, to get more. They are therefore unlikely to pay more for TM > to get less when they can get more--often much more--elsewhere for > their buck. What is the "more" that they get? They all get similar clothing, a safe bed and shower, and a place to play golf. The extra non-core attributes, some value some don't. Many elite do value them and will pay for them. How can you possibly say with certainty that the beyond core attributes that the TMO, or some org, is able to provide in 10 years will not have sufficient value to the top 3% of earners that they will pay for them? > > But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont > > think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or > > go to courses and hug everyone while saying "I belong to you", or > > sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only > > facilities. > > Or the toxic mold of Livingston Manor? It would be interesting to > know what the occupancy rates are at the Raj--a facility which might > appeal to some elite who enjoy vacations in Iowa. > You and Barry can contine to respond to ghost posts that manifest only in your minds, but the point I am raising as conjecture is that a neo-TM in ten years, if properly done, may be attractive to the top 2-3% of incomes earners. That has nothing to do with toxix mold in Livingsoton Manor in 2006. Regarding the Raj, I have not been there so Ican't address it. But I have been to Chopra's Center in La Jolla, and lots of "elites" were flocking there. And his prices were on par, perhaps higher than the Raj. And 20 times what the local AV tech was offering 5 miles away in Pacific Beach, in their garage for the same thing. My point has little to do with the TM brand, and nothing to do with loyalties to the TM -- I left for the most part, body, heart and soul, in 1978. But I think that there is an opportunity and need for SOMEONE, som org, to do IT in a classy, polished that appeals to the upper strata of society. And clients will be happy to pay a premium price. MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps too polished for many of our tastes. But that he or his "team" eventually are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is possible, but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it right -- with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater than 50% probability. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip" > > kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be "spiritual" but my ego > needs to feel "hip". I tend to agree, but it's a factor to be dealt with out there in the olde spiritual smorgasbord. My point is that -- among the ones doing the shopping -- TM is considered pretty much the most pedestrian, least interesting, and least viable of the many spiritual paths. If you talk to people who are cruising the lectures and the bookstores in search of enlightenment or even a little peace these days, you'll find that for most of them learning TM is considered pretty much the last resort, a fallback position if nothing else works out for them. I've actually heard the phrase, "Well, you can always learn TM," followed by group laughter at the idea of some poor schmoe who is so out of it that the only thing he could learn is TM. I'm not saying it *should* be -- I actually think that plain vanilla TM is more beneficial than many of the things considered "hipper" -- but that's the way it is. I just think that the people who still think it's widely respected should get out more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:25 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip" > > kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be "spiritual" but my ego needs to feel > "hip". That is why in it's distorted manifestation, "Spirituality" becomes "Spiritual Materialism". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_materialism http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/tib/cutting.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:25 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip" kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be "spiritual" but my ego needs to feel"hip"."Ego is able to convert everything to its own use, even spirituality. For example, if you have learned of a particularly beneficial meditation technique of spiritual practice, then ego's attitude is, first to regard it as an object of fascination and, second to examine it. Finally, since ego is seeming solid and cannot really absorb anything, it can only mimic. Thus ego tries to examine and imitate the practice of meditation and the meditative way of life. When we have learned all the tricks and answers of the spiritual game, we automatically try to imitate spirituality, since real involvement would require the complete elimination of ego, and actually the last thing we want to do is to give up the ego completely. However, we cannot experience that which we are trying to imitate; we can only find some area within the bounds of ego that seems to be the same thing. Ego translates everything in terms of its own state of health, its own inherent qualities. It feels a sense of great accomplishment and excitement at have been able to create such a pattern. At last it has created a tangible accomplishment, a confirmation of its own individuality. If we become successful at maintaining our self-consciousness through spiritual techniques, then genuine spiritual development is highly unlikely. Our mental habits become so strong as to be hard to penetrate. We may even go so far as to achieve the totally demonic state of complete "Egohood.""_fr. "Spiritual Materialism" C. Trungpa. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? > > > > Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh > at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly > kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would > definately inspire them to start TM. > > JohnY I can imagine you guys as consultants to the catholic church centuries past: "Hey, the public will never go for these robes and crowns and big fancy marble churches. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! I mean this church is about ministring to the poor. If you put the pope in fancy gowns and three foot golden headwear, mark my words, its the END of the Church, No spiritually hip person, no elite, no poor will come within 100 miles of the church. It will NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! happen! Uncli, Joyoue and Vaja Consultants 432 AD To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip" kind of an oxymoron. I wanna be "spiritual" but my ego needs to feel "hip". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:04 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its > quite a > > > closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of > > > possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of > society will > > > be going to SV centers to learn TM. > > > > It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- > > arguably the most sophisticated "shoppers" and consumers--would not > > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, the 20,000+ USD it > would take to get the TM technique > > it's not-so-advanced TM "advanced techniques" and the TM$P. It would > > not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know > > that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs > > cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. > > Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the > ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public > courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got > wise and started shopping at walmart as they "saw through" the > Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 > its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed > at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. This is not an analogous comparison: in each of the above instances, when you pay more money, you get more. The "elite" know this and will pay more, to get more. They are therefore unlikely to pay more for TM to get less when they can get more--often much more--elsewhere for their buck. > > > Also the level > > of spiritual naivete on 'things eastern' is much less than it was in > > TM's hayday. It is likely the level of understanding will only > > increase in the future, further lessening the palatability of 'be- > all > > and end-all' meditation techniques sold as a fast-track to > > enlightenment. > > > > And hasn't the main influx in Neo-Hindu meditation *already* shifted > > to SSRS's empire--including the top 2-3%? > > And what pray tell does that have to do with the possibilities of a > speculative though possible manifestation of a neo-TM in Years? The market sector they are trying to "tap" will have have bought or buy "elsewhere". Less market = less money. > But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont > think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or > go to courses and hug everyone while saying "I belong to you", or > sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only > facilities. Or the toxic mold of Livingston Manor? It would be interesting to know what the occupancy rates are at the Raj--a facility which might appeal to some elite who enjoy vacations in Iowa. There's more than AOL out there. The Spiritual Supermarket has grown. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a > > closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of > > possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will > > be going to SV centers to learn TM. > > It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- > arguably the most sophisticated "shoppers" and consumers--would not > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, the 20,000+ USD it would take to get the TM technique > it's not-so-advanced TM "advanced techniques" and the TM$P. It would > not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know > that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs > cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got wise and started shopping at walmart as they "saw through" the Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. > Also the level > of spiritual naivete on 'things eastern' is much less than it was in > TM's hayday. It is likely the level of understanding will only > increase in the future, further lessening the palatability of 'be-all > and end-all' meditation techniques sold as a fast-track to > enlightenment. > > And hasn't the main influx in Neo-Hindu meditation *already* shifted > to SSRS's empire--including the top 2-3%? And what pray tell does that have to do with the possibilities of a speculative though possible manifestation of a neo-TM in 10 years? But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. I dont find thant many of the top 2-3% income levels that want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or go to courses and hug everyone while saying "I belong to you", or share a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only facilities. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a > > closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of > > possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will > > be going to SV centers to learn TM. > > It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- > arguably the most sophisticated "shoppers" and consumers--would not > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, the 20,000+ USD it would take to get the TM technique > it's not-so-advanced TM "advanced techniques" and the TM$P. It would > not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know > that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs > cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. Yes,, all the elite golfers in 10 years finally saw through the ridiculous pricing ofcountry clubs and are all flocking to public courses. And Nordstroms is closing in 2016 I hear, all the elites got wise and started shopping at walmart as they "saw through" the Nordstoms fluff. And the Four Seasons hotel chain is closing in 2016 its doors. Those savy elites finally got it that they could get a bed at motel 6 for 1/10 the price. > Also the level > of spiritual naivete on 'things eastern' is much less than it was in > TM's hayday. It is likely the level of understanding will only > increase in the future, further lessening the palatability of 'be-all > and end-all' meditation techniques sold as a fast-track to > enlightenment. > > And hasn't the main influx in Neo-Hindu meditation *already* shifted > to SSRS's empire--including the top 2-3%? And what pray tell does that have to do with the possibilities of a speculative though possible manifestation of a neo-TM in Years? But I disagree with your assessment of AOL. Lots of elites I dont think want to sit on the floor in funky facilities and sing bajans, or go to courses and hug everyone while saying "I belong to you", or sleep in a room with a stranger -- at shared rooms or dorm room only facilities. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least within > > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test > > whose loyalty? > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the > > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let > > alone need to have it tested? > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > coming from an insane organization. > > It's like saying, "These teachers who don't do what > they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did > diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are > still loyal." > > Yeah, right. > The other thing is, a spiritual path is by definition intensely personal, and one's efforts can really not be accurately judged by another. We proceed as fast as we are able to. Its not like going through medical school, for example. With regard to a loyalty test by a guru, whatever guru, we first have to assume that the test has value to us, to buy into it. So from the outside, any judgments of another's spiritual path are meaningless. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: > And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a > closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of > possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will > be going to SV centers to learn TM. It's also rather naive to think that the top 2-3% of society-- arguably the most sophisticated "shoppers" and consumers--would not see through the 20,000+ USD it would take to get the TM technique it's not-so-advanced TM "advanced techniques" and the TM$P. It would not take a great deal of savy in the Spiritual Supermarket to know that you could get a lot more for a lot less than what TM programs cost--even if the prices were significantly reduced. Also the level of spiritual naivete on 'things eastern' is much less than it was in TM's hayday. It is likely the level of understanding will only increase in the future, further lessening the palatability of 'be-all and end-all' meditation techniques sold as a fast-track to enlightenment. And hasn't the main influx in Neo-Hindu meditation *already* shifted to SSRS's empire--including the top 2-3%? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least within > > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test > > whose loyalty? > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the > > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let > > alone need to have it tested? > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > coming from an insane organization. Not "in their eyes," you utter nitwit. In their perception of what's in *MMY's* eyes. Why is it so impossibly difficult for you to grasp this type of distinction, Barry? Oh, never mind, I know. It's because you desperately need your fix of TMer-bashing. > > It's like saying, "These teachers who don't do what > they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did > diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are > still loyal." > > Yeah, right. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
I am happy for you that you have perfected the siddhi to talk to "elites" living 10 years in the future. Perhaps you can ask them what the price of major stocks are in 2016. Talking to elites today would be quite dumb, and was not the focus of my post -- other than examples highlighting perenial qualities of elites such as willing to pay a premium for a differentiated product or service with valued attributes. Asking someone in 1985 how much they were willing to pay for broadband internet service would be dumb. Asking college kids in 1957 -- the year of sputnik -- if they would line up around the block to hear an small indian man in robes talk about bliss and cosmic consciousness would be dumb. Its not out of the realm of possibilities that in the future, if a wave of new high grade and respected research was be published on TM in premier journals, and hundreds of refined and attractive SV teaching ceters are established, and if a set of articulate, educated and socially adept teachers doing program 6 hours a day, living in SV house, etc) are realities, then some in the top 2-3% of society may be attracted to the "new TM". Things like "kings" seem very odd now -- but who knows in 10 years? When M. announced the Age of Enlightenment" many thought he was going way over the line of public acceptance. Really. At the time, many saw it as a radical move. Over time, things that seemed over the line and radical, are common place 10 years later. And while I am not saying it will happen, my point is that its quite a closed mind to say absolutely that it is outside the realm of possibilities that some decent number of the top 2-3% of society will be going to SV centers to learn TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know how many "elite" people the posters who > are coming up with these theories have talked to > lately, but among the ones I know, nothing on Earth > could possibly be considered more passé, old, *not* > in vogue, or downright embarrassing to be part of > than TM. It has all the allure and sexiness of being > Presbyterian. > > The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip" > thing to do just *ain't* gonna consider TM. To believe > that they might if we just dress it up nice and charge > more for it is just an indication of how far out > of touch the TM movement is. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > wrote: > > > > Perhaps you are mixing apples and oranges. How many "elites" -- for > > simplicity lets say those making over $300,000 /year, go to the > local, > > ubiquitous type of kinda funky yoga studio at the local small > mall? > > > > Not many. They go to an expensive health club or spa to learn the > same > > thing. Many other examples possible where those making good incomes > > are willing to pay a large premium for conveninece, competence, and > > "class" (nice surroundings, people like them). Why do they pay > $400 a > > night to stay in a nice hotel when the local Motel 6 also has a bed > > and shower? Why do they pay 35,000 and $300 a month to belong to a > > private golf club when they could use the local public one for > free? > > > > And while I am not saying it will happen, its not out of the realm > of > > possibilities that a wave of new high grade and respected research > > will be published on TM. This would (further) differentiates TM > from > > other techniques -- (even if research would show the same for other > > programs -- if it does not exist, TM will be strongly > differentiated.) > > > > And its not unreasonable the the "new" TM (taught in a SV bulidng, > by > > teachers doing program 6 hours a day, living in SV house, etc) may > > have positive factors associated with it. > > > > It is not a differentiated set of qualities that you would pay a > > premium for. The top 2-5% of the population may very well be > willing > > for the "right" product. Again, I am not saying the new TM will > fill > > the bill, but its not an unreasonable conjecture that it might. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" wrote: > > > > > > I don't think the elite of the world give a flying u-know-what > about > > > TM and paying $2500 to learn it. It is *passe* at this point. > There > > > are far too many more modern methods in the spiritual supermarket > > > these days. > > > > > > At the local natural foods co-op where I shop, there is the > requisite > > > magazine rack near the registers loaded with the modern spiritual > > > versions of the popular magazines-a vast variety of things to > choose > > > from-all kinds of meditation practices, all kinds of sexual > preference > > > magazines, gardening, cooking, etc. > > > > > > Most cities and towns including little tiny ones I've driven > through > > > have yoga offered and the *commonest* of people, the people who > we > > > never would have expected to find taking yoga, are now joining
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of > the technique and the notion that some things are at least within > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test > whose loyalty? > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let > alone need to have it tested? I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty test" tends to be promoted here by those who never became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity coming from an insane organization. It's like saying, "These teachers who don't do what they're told are disloyal, whereas we who never did diddleysquat for the TM movement and never will are still loyal." Yeah, right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of > the technique and the notion that some things are at least within > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test > whose loyalty? > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Here's my guess: Because MMY ain't gonna be around much longer, and he wants to keep together a core group that has demonstrated they are completely committed to his teaching and to the TMO, in an attempt to prevent the organization from splintering and going off in all directions after his death. Whoever takes control of the TMO--probably King Tony--is going to need people he can rely on. It's likely to be pretty crazy for a while after MMY leaves us. > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let > alone need to have it tested? > > > > > > > Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the > > independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty > > test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more > > likely to survive in the long run. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargadatta Maharaj on attainment and efforts
On Mar 24, 2006, at 9:12 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > As the great Saint Tukarama said, the aspirant must put in > > > > ceaseless efforts in the pursuit of spiritual life. > > > > > > In other words, meditate and act, meditate and act, > > > be regular in your meditation and follow a healthy > > > lifestyle, right? > > > > I wasn't getting a meditate-rinse-repeat, meditate-rinse-repeat... > > message out of it Judy. > > > > Since Nisargadatta was talking about (essentially) repetition of > > ishta-mantra and worship of deity, as well as the pranas, > > kundalini and the chakras, I took it to mean keep an intense > > sadhana. > > Sure. I thought you were using it to suggest that > he was recommending effort *in meditation*. No (but an interesting thought, esp. re: channels and pranas meditation). It is referring to the suggestion in vogue that we "call off the search". No sadhana. A good suggestion from the absolute POV perhaps, but relatively speaking, not so realistic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush-Shiva caricature in NY Times
On Mar 24, 2006, at 9:33 AM, feste37 wrote: > It's not a very good cartoon. What's he holding in his upper left > hand? A carrot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > I don't know how many "elite" people the posters who > > > are coming up with these theories have talked to > > > lately, but among the ones I know, nothing on Earth > > > could possibly be considered more passé, old, *not* > > > in vogue, or downright embarrassing to be part of > > > than TM. It has all the allure and sexiness of being > > > Presbyterian. > > > > > > The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip" > > > thing to do just *ain't* gonna consider TM. To believe > > > that they might if we just dress it up nice and charge > > > more for it is just an indication of how far out > > > of touch the TM movement is. > > > > Heh. You know all the elite of the world? > > Well, no, but he doesn't have to, because those > he knows are *representative*, you see, whereas > those you and I know are not; plus which, he knows > a *lot* more of these elite people than we do. I > mean, Barry is among the elite of those who know > elite people. > > So he can speak with perfect confidence about all > those who are looking for the "spiritually hip" > thing to do. If an "elite" is talking to Barry, they are not the "elite". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the value of the technique and the notion that some things are at least within the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe even possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to test whose loyalty? Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during the past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, let alone need to have it tested? > > Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the > independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty > test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more > likely to survive in the long run. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush-Shiva caricature in NY Times
It's not a very good cartoon. What's he holding in his upper left hand? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Received from a Hindu list. It seems to me Dubya is a type of > destroyer, just not the kind that *destroys ignorance*. Can you > imagine the outlash if Bush had been portrayed as Jehovah, Allah or > Jesus?: > > Please call, and email NY Times editor to protest, and publish a full > page > apology for caricature > of Hindu god Shiva. > > http://www.hinduhumanrights.org/images/iht_bush.jpg > > NY Times: > (212) 556-1234 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ~ TIBETAN PERSONALITY TEST ~
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > The Dalai Lama suggests you read it to see if it works for you. > > Just to be accurate, this "test," while fun, has > nothing whatsoever to do with the Dalai Lama. > The Internet is full of stuff that people wrote > and then tacked his name onto. > Yeah, it was just fun...no clue whether the lama had anything to do with it To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargadatta Maharaj on attainment and efforts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 8:17 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > Interesting for the importance of "ceaseless efforts", thoughts > > > and kundalini and the process of creation. This is from the only > > > work written by Nisargadatta Maharaj rather than by someone else. - > > > S. > > > > > As the great Saint Tukarama said, the aspirant must put in > > > ceaseless efforts in the pursuit of spiritual life. > > > > In other words, meditate and act, meditate and act, > > be regular in your meditation and follow a healthy > > lifestyle, right? > > I wasn't getting a meditate-rinse-repeat, meditate-rinse-repeat... > message out of it Judy. > > Since Nisargadatta was talking about (essentially) repetition of > ishta-mantra and worship of deity, as well as the pranas, > kundalini and the chakras, I took it to mean keep an intense > sadhana. Sure. I thought you were using it to suggest that he was recommending effort *in meditation*. In other > words before monist practice would have meaning there is going to > need to be some intense sadhana. As your teacher might say *Tapas > Judy, more tapas.* Of course the *fashionable* way Nisargadatta is > mentioned or quoted (by others) is that there is NO effort, there is > NO seeking, there is NO sadhana--and that's only for a certain > student who is ripe for that. It's dangerous to suggest otherwise. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargadatta Maharaj on attainment and efforts
On Mar 24, 2006, at 8:17 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Interesting for the importance of "ceaseless efforts", thoughts > > and kundalini and the process of creation. This is from the only > > work written by Nisargadatta Maharaj rather than by someone else. - > > S. > > > As the great Saint Tukarama said, the aspirant must put in > > ceaseless efforts in the pursuit of spiritual life. > > In other words, meditate and act, meditate and act, > be regular in your meditation and follow a healthy > lifestyle, right? I wasn't getting a meditate-rinse-repeat, meditate-rinse-repeat... message out of it Judy. Since Nisargadatta was talking about (essentially) repetition of ishta-mantra and worship of deity, as well as the pranas, kundalini and the chakras, I took it to mean keep an intense sadhana. In other words before monist practice would have meaning there is going to need to be some intense sadhana. As your teacher might say *Tapas Judy, more tapas.* Of course the *fashionable* way Nisargadatta is mentioned or quoted (by others) is that there is NO effort, there is NO seeking, there is NO sadhana--and that's only for a certain student who is ripe for that. It's dangerous to suggest otherwise. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush-Shiva caricature in NY Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Received from a Hindu list. It seems to me Dubya is a type of > destroyer, just not the kind that *destroys ignorance*. Can you > imagine the outlash if Bush had been portrayed as Jehovah, Allah > or Jesus?: Actually I've seen lefty cartoons portraying him as both Jehovah and Jesus, but not on the front page of a major newspaper. One of my very favorite cartoons was published in The New Yorker many years ago. A well-dressed man and woman are standing in the back yard of a suburban home at night, drinks in hand, apparently having left a party to get some fresh air. They're looking at an immense, fearsome figure hovering in the sky, complete with eight arms, a necklace of skulls, and snakes for hair. The man is saying calmly to the woman, "It appears to be Shiva manifesting as Lord of Destruction, but why he's in Hartsdale on a Tuesday night, I have no idea." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargadatta Maharaj on attainment and efforts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interesting for the importance of "ceaseless efforts", thoughts > and kundalini and the process of creation. This is from the only > work written by Nisargadatta Maharaj rather than by someone else. - > S. > As the great Saint Tukarama said, the aspirant must put in > ceaseless efforts in the pursuit of spiritual life. In other words, meditate and act, meditate and act, be regular in your meditation and follow a healthy lifestyle, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
