[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On second thought, I might be all wrong. I've always thought > > there's an ellipsis of the predicate verb, but it might > > not be the case after all. Beats me! > > > > The apostrphe-d is the verb. Stands for "would" or "had" in informal English. > Yeah, but I gather both in "I had rather" and "I would rather" it's "only" an auxiliary verb. Of course "had" could also be the main verb. But it seems to me the main verb is "missing" in both cases. If "had" acted as a main verb, those idioms (with "had" and "would") wouldn't IMO be...hmm... analogous(?). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'USA Vs. Iran'- 'The Drunks Vs. The Stoners'
Tehran http://www.webehigh.com/city/detail.php?CITYID=Tehran Updated: 6/3/2005 Smoking tolerance level [1= very illegal 5=virtually legal]: 4.5 Legislation: Iran has a very interesting policy towards buds - planting marijuana is legal if planted for food purposes because in Iran ranians still eat the seeds just like sunflower seeds, and there are also companies in tehran that draw the oil from the seed and sell it legally. The punishment for possesion of marijuana is a fine of Iranian Rials 1 (US $1.25)for every gram in your possesion and as long as you have less than 10-15 grams they will not even hassle you. Please always use common sense and caution and remember a smile is better than a frown. Law Enforcement: Smoking it though is technically illegal but enforcement is next to nothing. You can walk anywhere in Iran and puff away and no one will have any idea that you are smoking weed. Most people here smoke hash or opium so smoking weed is considered as OK. Where to buy Marijuana in Iran: You can find Hash at any park in any Iranian city and just walk up to the young bored looking types hanging out. Always bargain!!! Marijuana prices and Brands in Iran : Marijuana Prices 1. Indica Variety High Potency 2-3 Dollars per gram 2. Sativa Variety High Potency 3 Dollars per gram 3. Indica Variey Low Potency 1-2 Dollars per gram In Iran people smoke more Hash than Marijuana but that trend seems to be changing as better weed enters the market. Hash Prices 1. Afghani 2 Dollars per gram 2. Pakistani 2 Dollars per gram Country: Iran Time Zone: UTC/GMT +3:30 hours Dialing codes: + 98 (Iran) Area code: 21 Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
Thanks Hanuman for your response. I'm glad to hear you have been reading 'Kathy's Story'. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago, and > > have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject. > > However, Frank Lotz seemed to be parading his devotion to his 'Guru- > > jie' so I responded by doing a little Hindi translation work. > > So, you can thank Frank. > > Thanks Frank. > I know Frank from past TM years, and if that helps you, can assure > you, that he won't harm you, or send you a letter bomb. He easily gets > heated, always was so. He has done fist fights when provoked, so it > may not be a good idea to stand in front of his house and ring the > bell, and say 'Fuck Maha..'. ;-) > I myself was threatened here not too long ago by one of our more > outspoken members here with the words: 'Fuck you and die' and I am > still very much alive ;-) > > And he is not as closed minded as you would think. For example he also > visited Mother Meera here, something real TB TMers wouldn't do. And he > is a really, really good cook. > So thank you also Paul. I just read your story of Kathy 2005 on your > web, really amazing. So thanks Paul for all the interesting stuff. But > I now also understand why MMY doesn't want to publish all of it. He > simply doesn't agree with some of it. > > People seem to think that aligning ones thinking with the master, like > in classical Guru/disciple devotion means that he should copy him, and > do exactly the same things he did. I disagree. Simply copying a person > in his outward acts or opinions is not a great achievement. > Understanding his actions and desires was for MMY a *means* to achieve > an inner alignment, which served as a channel for the transmission of > the inner *essence*. Once this is achieved, there is no need to copy > the master, rather everyone must live his own enlightenment. It is my > understanding, that MMY had visions of GD while moving in the south, > around 1955, and consequently similar hints at Kanyakumari and > Guruvayur, which gave rise to him teaching. While in actual physical > body GD never asked MMY to teach, or even would have disallowed him to > be a Guru (he obviously allowed him to lecture in his presence, as > seen on films), he may have done so in visions. You may believe in it > or not, but for MMY that must have been the reason and indication to > start teaching. > > All this 'happened'. MMY for some reason had this disposition, and we, > as followers fell for it, and it subsequently changed our lives, more > or less. For my part I am glad he did. History is full of great people > who broke rules. Does it mean they parted from the tradition at a > whole? Did Luther part from Christianity when he broke the rules of > Catholicism? I know that all traditions change all the time. Even the > current Shankaracharya of Kanchi is accused to break the rules of his > former Shankaracharya, who like GD was a great saint, but also very rigid. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
I have refined the translation a little, and will continue to do so as inspiration arises. Hopefully, other translations will emerge soon which will be help get the meanings clearer:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Premanand Paul, > > Thank you for another enormous contribution. Your site on Guru Dev is > tremendous. And this teaching of his (below) hits the spot. > > Jai Guru Dev > ** > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > Yes Barry2, in this context that must be what he meant and I have > > ammended the translation to reflect this view: > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > Paul Mason wrote: > > > > > > >Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few > > > >words about when and how to meditate. > > > >Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 > > > > > > > >"At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but > > at > > > >night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of > > japa > > > >of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa > > muurti' > > > >(desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout > > > >meditation) quick advancement occurs. > > > > > > > >In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the > > mantra, > > > >and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the > > > >ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on > > the > > > >foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of > > compassion > > > >of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The > > vision > > > >of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not > > envisage > > > >the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the > > > >vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa > > in > > > >the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. >From > > > >this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind > > > >gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will > > stay > > > >in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across > > the > > > >ocean of samsaara." > > > >['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] > > > > > > > >More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm > > > > > > > It's important to remember that India being close to the equator > > does > > > not have the varying sunrise and sunset times nor Daylight Saving > > Time > > > that more northerly countries have. Hence many gurus will modify > > the > > > meditation after sunset to meditating in a dark room. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > wrote: > > > > From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that > > you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some > > jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know. > > Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him, > > for all to see. > > I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much > > animosity toward him. > > Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him? > > Yes, you are wrong about the way I feel towards > Maharishi, and you're starting to sound like an > insane cult fanatic to boot. :-) > > I think you should go back and re-read the two > posts you are commenting on above. In them I > said absolutely NOTHING negative about Maharishi. > Not one word, not one line. > > All that I did say was that I don't believe he > is enlightened, and then I explained why. > > Somehow, in your mind, "reading between the lines," > that became "hatred," "jealousy," "envy," an attempt > to diss him, and/or an attempt to "crucify" him. > > Do you even REALIZE this? > > I didn't bother to reply to this cult crap last > night, but I will this morning because I really > think that you should become a little more aware > of how your *own* mind works. All that happened > in this series of posts was that someone (me) > said that he didn't believe that Maharishi is > enlightened, and then explained why. > > YOU turned that into "hatred," "jealousy," "envy," > and an attempt to "crucify" Maharishi. Clearly, > you seem to believe that all of these descriptions > apply to anyone who doesn't believe that Maharishi > is enlightened. Doesn't that strike you as a bit > drastic and...uh...cult-like? > > I'm beginning to understand how you can justify > nuking the people of Iran. You must be "reading > between the lines" with regard to them, too. :-) Hi again, I wasn't trying to justify the bombing of Iran with Nukes; I was just pointing out, that as I was feeling it; my intuition was telling me, that the two regimes, ours and theirs seem to be on a collision course, to this end, and I wanted people to consider the ramifications of that. And I wanted to emphasize what Maharishi had said concerning the state of danger at hand. Now lately, you are hearing discussed, in the main stream press, and the Bush administration, exactly what I was predicting, would be the same mentality. So, I was trying to play that scenerio out beforehand so people could see it was coming... Now my main point with Maharishi, which you seemed to have side- stepped, in your editing of my words; Has to do with the love I feel for him; and as you know sometimes love is irrational by it's mysterious nature. As I said before, I immediately felt a heart opening when I am(was) in his presence that doesn't dissolve, It is real to me, as anyone else, whom I've truely loved. Love is unconditional if it is to be called love. And if I feel that you do not share that love for him, but rather seem to be quite resentful towards him; I was just questioning your passionate statements and what was your true agenda concerning Maharishi, or his teaching or his movement. Did he personally hurt you in some way? Did he take you off your path, (you say, that you followed his advice to follow your path, towards more and more, right). For me, I have done the same thing. ~~~ through the years; Studied Kriya Kundalini Pranayama, a technique of Babaji; I have studied Eckart Tolle's material; Tibetan form of Tai Chi w/Mudras, I dance, I listen to 'Holosync CD's (found this to intensify TM and Siddhis); I've worked with a councilor who works with soul energy and opening chakras; Gangaji's stuff; Plan to get to India soon, as I would like to study more in depth, and just experience where this knowledge is most lively. So, the love and connection, which I feel toward Maharishi, transcends the movement, or anything anyone can say about him. Some of us had a reading with a fellow named Ron Scolastico(past life reading guy)-- 'back in the day', and the question was asked, "Why people were so emotionally attached to Maharishi; And the answer was: The answer was, that some of us, had been with Maharishi, In a past life, where he was martyred. And we all felt this sort of undying love for him, from that experience. so... That's about all I can think of to write now; Let me know if you need anything else clarified. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
Nothing you said changes my opinion of where you're at. Clearly, you seem to believe (because you've said it again it in this post) that if someone (me) doesn't feel the same unconditional love for Maharishi that you do, that means that they are "resentful" and have some sort of secret "agenda." I'm sorry, but that's insanity, not bhakti. I have *never* suggested that you shouldn't feel about him the way you do. Kindly give me the same respect. I consider Maharishi Just Another Guy, not special in any way. He's just a guy like any other who has done a number of positive things in his life and an equal number of negative ones. I cut him no more slack than I would any other human being, and I hold him to no higher standard than I would any other human being. And, like any other human being, I reserve the right to praise the positive things he's done and criticize the negative things he's done. That doesn't mean that I have some "agenda" against him, only that I consider him Just Another Guy, no more important or special than you or me or anyone else on this planet. If the fact that I believe this makes you uptight, that's *your* problem, not mine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > wrote: > > > > > > From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that > > > you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some > > > jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know. > > > Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him, > > > for all to see. > > > I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much > > > animosity toward him. > > > Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him? > > > > Yes, you are wrong about the way I feel towards > > Maharishi, and you're starting to sound like an > > insane cult fanatic to boot. :-) > > > > I think you should go back and re-read the two > > posts you are commenting on above. In them I > > said absolutely NOTHING negative about Maharishi. > > Not one word, not one line. > > > > All that I did say was that I don't believe he > > is enlightened, and then I explained why. > > > > Somehow, in your mind, "reading between the lines," > > that became "hatred," "jealousy," "envy," an attempt > > to diss him, and/or an attempt to "crucify" him. > > > > Do you even REALIZE this? > > > > I didn't bother to reply to this cult crap last > > night, but I will this morning because I really > > think that you should become a little more aware > > of how your *own* mind works. All that happened > > in this series of posts was that someone (me) > > said that he didn't believe that Maharishi is > > enlightened, and then explained why. > > > > YOU turned that into "hatred," "jealousy," "envy," > > and an attempt to "crucify" Maharishi. Clearly, > > you seem to believe that all of these descriptions > > apply to anyone who doesn't believe that Maharishi > > is enlightened. Doesn't that strike you as a bit > > drastic and...uh...cult-like? > > > > I'm beginning to understand how you can justify > > nuking the people of Iran. You must be "reading > > between the lines" with regard to them, too. :-) > > Hi again, > I wasn't trying to justify the bombing of Iran with Nukes; I was just > pointing out, that as I was feeling it; my intuition was telling me, > that the two regimes, ours and theirs seem to be on a collision > course, to this end, and I wanted people to consider the > ramifications of that. > And I wanted to emphasize what Maharishi had said concerning the > state of danger at hand. > Now lately, you are hearing discussed, in the main stream press, and > the Bush administration, exactly what I was predicting, would be the > same mentality. So, I was trying to play that scenerio out beforehand > so people could see it was coming... > Now my main point with Maharishi, which you seemed to have side- > stepped, in your editing of my words; > Has to do with the love I feel for him; and as you know sometimes > love is irrational by it's mysterious nature. > As I said before, I immediately felt a heart opening when I am(was) > in his presence that doesn't dissolve, > It is real to me, as anyone else, whom I've truely loved. > Love is unconditional if it is to be called love. > And if I feel that you do not share that love for him, but rather > seem to be quite resentful towards him; I was just questioning your > passionate statements and what was your true agenda concerning > Maharishi, or his teaching or his movement. > > Did he personally hurt you in some way? > Did he take you off your path, (you say, that you followed his advice > to follow your path, towards more and more, right). > For me, I have done the same thing. > ~~~ through the years; > Studied Kriya Kundalini Pranayama, a technique of Babaji; I have > studied Eckart Tolle's mate
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nothing you said changes my opinion of where you're > at. Clearly, you seem to believe (because you've said > it again it in this post) that if someone (me) doesn't > feel the same unconditional love for Maharishi that > you do, that means that they are "resentful" and have > some sort of secret "agenda." I'm sorry, but that's > insanity, not bhakti. Of course, he *didn't* say that. > I have *never* suggested that you shouldn't feel > about him the way you do. Kindly give me the same > respect. He never suggested you shouldn't feel about MMY the way you do, either. And his posts to you have been *far* more respectful than yours to him. I consider Maharishi Just Another Guy, not > special in any way. He's just a guy like any other > who has done a number of positive things in his life > and an equal number of negative ones. I cut him no > more slack than I would any other human being, and > I hold him to no higher standard than I would any > other human being. > > And, like any other human being, I reserve the > right to praise the positive things he's done and > criticize the negative things he's done. That doesn't > mean that I have some "agenda" against him, only that > I consider him Just Another Guy, no more important or > special than you or me or anyone else on this planet. > If the fact that I believe this makes you uptight, > that's *your* problem, not mine. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that > > > > you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some > > > > jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know. > > > > Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him, > > > > for all to see. > > > > I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much > > > > animosity toward him. > > > > Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him? > > > > > > Yes, you are wrong about the way I feel towards > > > Maharishi, and you're starting to sound like an > > > insane cult fanatic to boot. :-) > > > > > > I think you should go back and re-read the two > > > posts you are commenting on above. In them I > > > said absolutely NOTHING negative about Maharishi. > > > Not one word, not one line. > > > > > > All that I did say was that I don't believe he > > > is enlightened, and then I explained why. > > > > > > Somehow, in your mind, "reading between the lines," > > > that became "hatred," "jealousy," "envy," an attempt > > > to diss him, and/or an attempt to "crucify" him. > > > > > > Do you even REALIZE this? > > > > > > I didn't bother to reply to this cult crap last > > > night, but I will this morning because I really > > > think that you should become a little more aware > > > of how your *own* mind works. All that happened > > > in this series of posts was that someone (me) > > > said that he didn't believe that Maharishi is > > > enlightened, and then explained why. > > > > > > YOU turned that into "hatred," "jealousy," "envy," > > > and an attempt to "crucify" Maharishi. Clearly, > > > you seem to believe that all of these descriptions > > > apply to anyone who doesn't believe that Maharishi > > > is enlightened. Doesn't that strike you as a bit > > > drastic and...uh...cult-like? > > > > > > I'm beginning to understand how you can justify > > > nuking the people of Iran. You must be "reading > > > between the lines" with regard to them, too. :-) > > > > Hi again, > > I wasn't trying to justify the bombing of Iran with Nukes; I was just > > pointing out, that as I was feeling it; my intuition was telling me, > > that the two regimes, ours and theirs seem to be on a collision > > course, to this end, and I wanted people to consider the > > ramifications of that. > > And I wanted to emphasize what Maharishi had said concerning the > > state of danger at hand. > > Now lately, you are hearing discussed, in the main stream press, and > > the Bush administration, exactly what I was predicting, would be the > > same mentality. So, I was trying to play that scenerio out beforehand > > so people could see it was coming... > > Now my main point with Maharishi, which you seemed to have side- > > stepped, in your editing of my words; > > Has to do with the love I feel for him; and as you know sometimes > > love is irrational by it's mysterious nature. > > As I said before, I immediately felt a heart opening when I am (was) > > in his presence that doesn't dissolve, > > It is real to me, as anyone else, whom I've truely loved. > > Love is unconditional if it is to be called love. > > And if I feel that you do not share that love for him, but rather > > seem to be quite resentful towards him; I was just question
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
(snip) > Most people just laugh when I say that and there is no further need for discussion. For > those who still appear confused, I elaborate. "They say I have weapons of mass > destruction, and they can't let me in because I'm a threat to the course participants." > > I encourage my friends to reject these empty arguments about the harm that MIGHT be > done if the heretic is allowed inside the temple, and to accept the proposition that In the > vicinity of yoga, no enemy is found. > > The blacklisting program through the years has had substantial, observable negative > effects on the community, not the least of which, one might argue, has been the pathetic > slide of Dome attendance to abysmal depths. > > If the movement leadership is really committed to Superradiance. let them demonstrate > their commitment to an Ideal Society by bringing their acceptance policies all the way into > Sat Yuga. > > L B Shriver I agree, L B... To me it seems silly, that a group, which is supposed to be so... Powerful, that it can purify this whole crazy United States of $$$; That a few, like a few handful of 'untouchables' or 'lesser than thou' in the dome(s), will effect anything at all. (I use those terms, to emphasize that the elitist personality, which seems to need an underdog, in order to feel superior and loyal to the hierarchy); The irony is: The very Unity we are wanting to manifest... Is destroyed-- Spitting-Apart-- As the I-Ch'ing would say... Many times, but not always, there are these [younger souls], with different agendas to fulfill, They continue to baffle the older souls, who are by nature more accepting of diversity, and universality. A strong need for some people to feel superior than others. Wishing to exclude or 'Shun' others; Shunning is common in many religions based in fear. Also: You have to realize that many of the people involved in the TM movement are working out karma of a most recent past life, in some cases, not all, having been involved with the Third Reich. (Particularly the so-called, baby-boomer generation, which encompass most of Maharishi's students); I feel that Maharishi took on some p-r-e-t-t-y heavy karma for volunteering to work with this group. R.G. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2 on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Great idea and great post. I’ve often felt that one possible > scenario after >> MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail and MUM will >> become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably. >> > Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund? I don’t know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante or Mark Meredith. >Or has everything been > funnled into pundits, rajas etc? Lot’s has been secretly siphoned off by “International” over the years, for undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning of the university. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 > wrote: > > > > > Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that > > > > MMY's word and actions are also influenced by culture and > > > > thus that everything he says is not "the absolute speaking > > > > absolutely" (rather, no more than it is when you or I or they > > > > themselves speak), that women in saris is just fashion and > > > > culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation of > > > > english and modern education and a strong campaign to > > > > repatriate the wealth "stolen" by the west back to India > > > > might be an just ideological quest, and that worshipping > > > > "laws of nature" in the form of Lakshmi and Ganesh might > > > > just be Hinduism and not neutral science. > > > > > > Again, well put. But one wants to be careful not to > > > throw the baby out with the bathwater. For example, > > > is listening to Vedic chanting merely cultural, or do > > > the sounds actually have an effect on consciousness? > > > > > > How do you know where to draw the line? Sometimes it > > > seems obvious, but other times it may not be quite so > > > clear. And different people, of course, draw the line > > > in different places, so that line isn't absolute either. > > > > All sounds have an effect on consciousness--weed whackers, Bach, > > Vedic chanting, (c)rap music (the "c" is silent). Go for what feels > > life-supporting for you. Likewise, if you like wearing saris, fine. > > But to pretend it's a law of nature that women should wear saris is, > > IMO, unnecessary. > > Yeah, well, that kind of misses my point, which was > that *some* things that are apparently cultural may > *also* be "scientific" in that their specific effects > are universal. (I wasn't including saris, by the way.) Thanks for clarifying. I didn't address that because I didn't see that the point was in contention (although "universal" is a pretty large in scope). I didn't even think I was suggesting throwing anything out in the first place, only saying that I don't believe Maharishi is totally uninfluenced by culture, history, situation in time, and ideology, and that some of what he does is based on that. I wasn't even saying that's a bad thing, more that it is unavoidable. Just as Guru Dev was influenced by his cultural milieu, so is Maharishi. > > And the issue with Vedic chanting, of course, would > be whether it has a *positive* effect on consciousness. > (I'm not talking about whether it's enjoyable or > elevating to listen to aesthetically; I'd vastly > rather listen to Bach for that.) > That could lead to some interesting discussion about precisely which recitation--Vedic or or non-Vedic sanskrit, or Buddhist, Chinese, Japanese, Australian aboriginal, North American native, African etc.--has which effects for developing consciousness or making life more in harmony with natural law etc. I have more questions than answers in that regard. No doubt some of the more scholarly posters here would have some interesting things to say. If I have time perhaps I'll start a new thread on that topic. > > Drawing the lines is where thinking for ourselves comes in. > > Ultimately, we're responsible for ourselves. > > So long as we recognize the lines aren't universal. > > > > > > > Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is what I'd call insisting > > that a country of 1 billion people throw out all English language > > education and western-style schooling educate everyone in their own > > tribal language and calling it Vedic. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
+ (Snip) + "I consider Maharishi Just Another Guy, not > > special in any way. He's just a guy like any other > > who has done a number of positive things in his life > > and an equal number of negative ones. I cut him no > > more slack than I would any other human being, and > > I hold him to no higher standard than I would any > > other human being. > > > > And, like any other human being, I reserve the > > right to praise the positive things he's done and > > criticize the negative things he's done. That doesn't > > mean that I have some "agenda" against him, only that > > I consider him Just Another Guy, no more important or > > special than you or me or anyone else on this planet. > > If the fact that I believe this makes you uptight, > > that's *your* problem, not mine." > > You have spoken your agenda here quite loud and clearly; That Maharishi is "just another guy". You certainly have the right to feel, that he's just another guy. As a matter of fact you could be more fond of the dog down the street, than you are towards Maharishi, that's ok in my book. You have complete freedom to do as you wish anytime you wish, my dear. Just try not to be so bitchy; it's unbecoming, someone of your stature, as I feel that you are not: "Just another guy?" Just like the late great Princess Diana was not 'just another girl' But, on the other hand, I know exactly what you mean, at that very detatched level: Like that old saying goes: "If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him". R.G. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
(snip) > >" YOU turned that into "hatred," "jealousy," "envy," > > > and an attempt to "crucify" Maharishi. Clearly, > > > you seem to believe that all of these descriptions > > > apply to anyone who doesn't believe that Maharishi > > > is enlightened. Doesn't that strike you as a bit > > > drastic and...uh...cult-like? > > > > > > I'm beginning to understand how you can justify > > > nuking the people of Iran. You must be "reading > > > between the lines" with regard to them, too. :-)" When I used the word 'crucify', I meant it in the context in which it is used in "A Course in Miracles"; Where the word crucify signifies 'attack thoughts' or thoughts originated from the ego; much of 'A course in Miracles', addresses this issue. But in reality, the crucifixion is a powerful symbol as we know; As it is used in mostly all the churches of Christianity. Everywhere you go, there you see, the crucifixion, statues of torture. So, is Christianity a cult also, by your definition? That we have to be tortured to get to Heaven? And isn't it the same in the Islamic world; in the cult of Iran? Can we see how these two cults could clash and destroy much of humanity? Like crucifying each other... Much like the cult of the Third Reich did a half century ago. Many millions died; hard to imagine, I used to think; How could that have happened; how can people be so stupid... How soon we repeat what we don't learn. So, sure this Christian cult, and this Islamic cult; Can decide to annihilate each other in the name of God. I would tend to fear these larger cults, of religious nationalism, wouldn't you? Because: "Nobody's is right, if everybody's wrong" R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers
In a message dated 8/31/06 9:12:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote:> About 950 in the mornings, 1,200+ in the evenings.> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:> >> > Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am> curious as to whether > there > > is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few> this year. Also Ernesto > > and John haven't seemed to cause much, if any,> damage. In fact, they seem > to > > be bringing much needed rains to some areas.I am responsible for destroying the wrath of Ernestothrough arcane tantic drum rituals. Picturing DrPete dressed in a bunch of grapes suit drumming with wild voodoo women are dancing around him. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers
In a message dated 8/31/06 9:20:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've heard it's not so much cooler water, but more upper level windshear which keeps the storms from developing. That wind shearcondition went back to normal a couple weeks ago, so more should beforming now. So few hurricanes?? Compared to what, last year's records?? Compared to just about any year in the past few decades. What few that have formed fizzled out by or before they hit land and were capable of doing much damage. I can only recall two this year that have even made it to the Caribbean. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > >>> >> Great idea and great post. I¹ve often felt that one possible > >> > scenario after > >>> >> MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail and MUM will > >>> >> become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably. > >>> >> > >> > Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund? > > > I don¹t know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante or Mark > Meredith. Last I looked MUM's balance sheet listed net assets at about $30 million, that includes the value of the campus, so their endowment fund can't be significant. In terms of income/expenses, it's been a break even operation for many years. > >> >Or has everything been > >> > funnled into pundits, rajas etc? > > > Lot¹s has been secretly siphoned off by ³International² over the years, for > undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning of the > university. I think "pundits" fundraising has all been completely separate from MUM which is its own entity. "Pundits" money has probably all gone to india and offshore accounts. Rajas are all rich and are contributors of funds to the movement, not the other way around. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/30/06 1:57:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I heard or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?) that Nankishore > joined SSRS...any truth to that? If any of those two should join anyone it would be the other way around. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > Yep, that staggering achievement of bringing over one pundit, > supported by a private group of people. > > And who is his cook? This is the third time you've asked who his cook is. What's up with that? Why the fascination with who's going to cook for the guy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > Paul Mason wrote: > > > > >Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few > > >words about when and how to meditate. > > >Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 > > Paul, just how far do you think MMY would have > gotten in teaching people around the world to > meditate if he had been teaching a la Guru Dev? > > Or, what do you think would have happened if MMY > had taught as he did, and these instructions from > Guru Dev had been translated and made available > through the TMO? How many TMers would have > decided they were going to try it Guru Dev's way, > and what would have been the result? Especially > in the absence of Guru Dev's personal guidance? > > What was MMY going to say, "No, no, don't do what > Guru Dev instructed, do what I instruct"? > > You keep suggesting that there's something > sinister about MMY not promoting Guru Dev's actual > teaching, but that's one of the silliest criticisms > I've encountered. > > MMY obviously *didn't have a choice* if he wanted > TM to be universally accepted--or even to *work*, > for that matter. The context in which Guru Dev > taught was just too different. > > I suppose MMY could have issued a carefully > bowdlerized version of Guru Dev's lectures with > all the sectarian Hinduism taken out. What would > you have thought of that? What would have been > left? Would that have been true to Guru Dev's > intent? > > If you want to bash MMY for going global with TM > instead of staying back in India and teaching a > few people exactly what Guru Dev taught, ishtas and > all--or for teaching anything in the first place-- > fine. > > But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to > make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to > stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru > Dev by not promoting his original teachings. That > just makes no sense at all. > > Bingo ! That Paul Mason fellow has one major agenda; to make money To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Never thought I would see this.
End of an Affair __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Yeah, well, that kind of misses my point, which was > > that *some* things that are apparently cultural may > > *also* be "scientific" in that their specific effects > > are universal. (I wasn't including saris, by the way.) > > Thanks for clarifying. I didn't address that because I didn't see > that the point was in contention (although "universal" is a pretty > large in scope). If there really is a "law of nature" component to any of this stuff, it *would* be universal, wouldn't it? That's what I was getting at. I didn't even think I was suggesting throwing > anything out in the first place, only saying that I don't believe > Maharishi is totally uninfluenced by culture, history, situation > in time, and ideology, and that some of what he does is based on > that. Yes indeed, I fully agree. It's just that there's a tendency on this forum (not you necessarily) to see everything in black-and-white terms--in this case, if it's cultural, it's *only* cultural and can thus be disregarded. So I wanted to suggest a caveat in that regard. > I wasn't even saying > that's a bad thing, more that it is unavoidable. Just as Guru Dev > was influenced by his cultural milieu, so is Maharishi. Yup. > > And the issue with Vedic chanting, of course, would > > be whether it has a *positive* effect on consciousness. > > (I'm not talking about whether it's enjoyable or > > elevating to listen to aesthetically; I'd vastly > > rather listen to Bach for that.) > > > That could lead to some interesting discussion about precisely which > recitation--Vedic or or non-Vedic sanskrit, or Buddhist, Chinese, > Japanese, Australian aboriginal, North American native, African > etc. Hebrew too, although from a different angle. Many ancient languages make similar claims. --has which effects for developing consciousness or making life > more in harmony with natural law etc. I have more questions than > answers in that regard. No doubt some of the more scholarly posters > here would have some interesting things to say. > > If I have time perhaps I'll start a new thread on that topic. Please do, it's an area of interest for me. As far as I'm aware, the TMO is the only group that has attempted to research the effect of language sounds on consciousness. Do you know of any such efforts elsewhere, with other languages than Sanskrit? It would be neat to do a comparative study, I should think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Never thought I would see this.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > _End of an Affair_ > (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460_pf.html) Nasty old librul media, eh? It's not *quite* as cut-and-dried as the Post makes it sound, however. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to > > make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to > > stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru > > Dev by not promoting his original teachings. That > > just makes no sense at all. > > > Bingo ! > That Paul Mason fellow has one major agenda; to make money For the record, that isn't what I'm suggesting. There are other motivations than money for trying to take down MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > [snip] > > > > Yep, that staggering achievement of bringing over one pundit, > > supported by a private group of people. > > > > And who is his cook? > > This is the third time you've asked who his cook is. What's up with > that? Why the fascination with who's going to cook for the guy? > I'm assuming he's asking because that's the reason the tmo gave for the pundits not coming, their cooks couldn't get visas. People do realize that this pundit has nothing to do with the tmo, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
Did a quick check into mum finances. lastest data is from 04. income = $23.4 million, expensees = $23.3 million. net assets = $29.5 million, endowment fund = $6.3 million. $854,000 received in grants that year. hagelin was paid $113,000 as board member. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the movement's policies and > practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from the group practice in > the Domes. > > It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have been allowed to > participate in the current course, some after many years of exclusion. This is a good > development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many individuals continue to > be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, but it is difficult to > know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning continues, as the machinery > of exclusion is mostly private. > > A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, who is among those not > admitted to the current program. In the course of our conversation, I couldn't help but be > impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of hard feelings toward the > course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the arguments put forward in > support of his exclusion. > > In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater clarity than I have ever heard > them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, I must admit that my > own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps less convincing. > > I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently advanced in support of > exclusions. > > The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned from other teachers or > organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the Domethey might be > disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts that "alien" techniques might have > undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect those sitting near the > practitioner. > > The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue of loyalty to the > master and the master's organization. It says that even if an individual practices ONLY > Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other techniques in private will > breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within the group, therefore > upsetting the progress of all those connected with it. > > Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, they both suffer from > serious problems of credibility. > > First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic observation. > > Those who have been excluded on the basis of "alien practices" are generally those who > have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. Occasionally they were victims > of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire. > > However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing something weird in the > Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them fainted or began > vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly. > > Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling argument as to how one's > evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to one's private program. > More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a seasoned, > experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice produced undesirable > results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying. > > In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that the "alien" techniques are known > to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other than banning, of course). > However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase which I have often heard, > in that regard, is that " we just don't know what the effect would be". > > Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance? > > On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value of every single warm > body that can be included in the group program. It has been "proven by dozens of > meticulous research projects around the world", and those of us who are in possession of > this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it. > > On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no research on the putative > negative effects of practicing "alien techniques" in private, and the fact that we have no > actual reason to believe t
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra
--- nablus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/30/06 1:57:30 P.M. Central > Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > I heard or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?) > that Nankishore > > joined SSRS...any truth to that? > > If any of those two should join anyone it would be > the other way around. Yes. Spoken out of direct experience with SSRS and Nankishore. Can you tell us all about Agentinian shellfish while you're at it? > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did dare to write it. it is scaring. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill > >> > somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). > >> > It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the > >> > threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when > >> > MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the > >> > TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never > >> > know what will happen. > >> > Ingegerd > > > The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A spiritual > teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received one and > changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring > up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like > children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many years says be > regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not above > killing someone or having them killed. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to > > > make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to > > > stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru > > > Dev by not promoting his original teachings. That > > > just makes no sense at all. > > > > > Bingo ! > > That Paul Mason fellow has one major agenda; to make money > > For the record, that isn't what I'm suggesting. > There are other motivations than money for trying > to take down MMY. Ofcourse. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'If Bush Was Assasinated by Mark Almond- Oriel College, Oxford'
What if Bush really was assassinated?by MARK ALMOND Last updated at 13:30pm on 1st September 2006 )Bush is shot by a sniper in a scene from Death of a President. HeadlinesHeld up by a Secret Service bodyguard in his dying moments after being shot in the stomach, this is President Bush being assassinated. The American leader is surrounded by a crowd of panicking onlookers just seconds after being gunned down by a Syrian-born U.S. citizen outside a Chicago hotel. But this shocking image, created by putting the President's face onto an actor with digital wizardry, is part of a new British drama for Channel Four about the War on Terror. In Death Of A President, which has caused outrage in America and will premiere at the Toronto Film Festival this month, the shooting is a starting point for a fictional documentary about what happened next. So what would happen if President Bush was assassinated? Here, a historian looks to the future and imagines the terrifying consequences. BEFORE that fateful day November 9, 2006 historians liked to say the world could never again lurch into global crisis because of one man's death, as it had in 1914 when Austria's Archduke Franz Ferdinand was murdered in Sarajevo, sparking World War I. The assassination of John Kennedy at the height of the Cold War hadn't led to Armageddon in 1963, so why should things spiral out of control now if a president was murdered? That confident view was shattered as global communications networks froze from overload while transmitting round the world the picture of the 43rd President of the United States slumping forward after being fatally shot in the stomach. The murder of George W. Bush set off a global crisis with which we still live today, ten years after he was killed. Of course, in retrospect, we historians could see it all coming. In the summer of 2006, there had been the 'proxy war' between America and Iran fought out in Lebanon between their two regional allies, Israel and Hezbollah. That war ended badly for Israel and emboldened Iran to defy the United Nations and, more to the point, the United States over its nuclear ambitions. George W. Bush's hopes of bringing 'peace through democracy' to the Middle East after his invasion of Iraq had already worn thin by autumn 2006. Anti-war demonstrations had become more numerous and security tightened everywhere. The crude dum-dum bullet fired into the President's stomach that November day caused fatal bleeding and the media were reporting the suspected assassin's details within minutes. Few people in America needed to know more than that the suspected killer of their President was Syrian-born. As the spotlight of blame focused on Syria, regarded by Americans as Iran's poodle, the Iranian Foreign Ministry didn't help its cause by issuing a perfunctory statement expressing regret that the President had 'died in a violent manner' and hoping that the American people would soon choose a new one who would be more peace-loving. It outraged Americans and George W's mother Barbara was overheard at the state funeral telling Cherie Blair: 'It was like what you say to the maid when her dog gets run over. Get a new one, dear, you'll get over it.' The American public wasn't interested in the formal regrets from Damascus and Tehran. Television coverage showed scenes of jubilation on the streets of Syrian and Iranian cities. The new President, speaking from a 'secure location' soon nicknamed Bunker One, announced that 'those who celebrate death will learn to taste it soon enough'. Dick Cheney appeared unfazed by the day's gruesome events. While America closed ranks and mourned, across the Islamic world Bush's death was greeted with outpourings of joy. American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan got into firefights with local militias shooting in the air. Saddam's trial was suspended as the defendants hugged each other in the dock. But what hurt Americans most was the Europeans' lack of grief. Officially, Europe, from Brussels to Berlin and Paris, expressed sorrow and outrage, and President Chirac led the EU mourners in Washington. But there was nothing like the sadness which greeted Kennedy's murder four decades earlier. Despite Britain's own experience of Islamic terrorism, the public response to the murder of the American president here was muted, at best and in some quarters, not all Muslim, it was joyful. The Independent newspaper published its obituary with a front-page collage under the headline 'Latest victim of war on terror'. A passport-style photograph of the late President was put in alphabetical order between a Marine sergeant, George Urban Bush, killed in Iraq the day before and an Air Force pilot, Ryan Caldwell, killed in a helicopter crash near Kabul on the same day the President was shot. The BBC played a montage of Bush's malapropisms from 'Don't mis-underestimate me' to 'The nostalgia for my administration will only begin after it'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" >>> wrote: From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know. Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him, for all to see. I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much animosity toward him. Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him? You're losing it, Robert. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years > ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something > is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with > people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our > brain wave function. After decades of hearing this crap and having been trained to consider themselves more elite than pretty much everyone in the world, is it any wonder that the TBs see "enemies" and "anti-TMers" with "agendas" all around them? The whole *point* of training people to be elitists is so that they'll develop a "them vs. us" mentality and be easier to control. > Some of the TB's told us not to have > non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and > never meditate in the same room as others that used other > meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable > to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, because he wouldn't be practicing TM, would he? You might get cooties. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did > dare to write it. it is scaring. > Ingegerd You think it's scary now? Just wait until Maharishi dies. Based on the pattern of what happens in almost all spiritual movements when the leader they've placed on a pedestal dies, it'll get worse...MUCH worse. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote: > > > > >> > I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill > > >> > somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I > hope). > > >> > It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know > the > > >> > threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - > when > > >> > MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking > over the > > >> > TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you > never > > >> > know what will happen. > > >> > Ingegerd > > > > > The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A > spiritual > > teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received > one and > > changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma > for stirring > > up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty > threat, like > > children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many > years says be > > regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not > above > > killing someone or having them killed. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > wrote: > > > > I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years > > ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something > > is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with > > people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our > > brain wave function. > > After decades of hearing this crap and having > been trained to consider themselves more elite > than pretty much everyone in the world, is it > any wonder that the TBs see "enemies" and > "anti-TMers" with "agendas" all around them? > The whole *point* of training people to be > elitists is so that they'll develop a "them > vs. us" mentality and be easier to control. > > > Some of the TB's told us not to have > > non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and > > never meditate in the same room as others that used other > > meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable > > to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. > > Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that > Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE > meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, > because he wouldn't be practicing TM, > would he? You might get cooties. :-) > Guru Dev, Brahmananda Saraswati IS TM...every cell. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when > he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in > the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not > doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of > the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was > not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that > used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable > to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. > Ingegerd When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, "Zen Buddhist". A voice spoke to him telepathically and said, "What right do you have to transcend?" Then it continued: "This is how I transcend." At that moment, according to my friend, "the bottom fell out" and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the experience to be negative. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2 on 9/1/06 7:50 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Great idea and great post. I’ve often felt that one possible >> scenario after >>> MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail and MUM will >>> become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably. >>> >> Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund? > > I don’t know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante or Mark > Meredith. > >> Or has everything been >> funnled into pundits, rajas etc? > > Lot’s has been secretly siphoned off by “International” over the years, for > undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning of the > university. That’s in addition to the percentage that MUM and MSAE officially tithe to International. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Never thought I would see this.
In a message dated 9/1/06 9:14:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> _End of an Affair_ > (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460_pf.html)Nasty old librul media, eh?It's not *quite* as cut-and-dried as the Post makesit sound, however. Well, I may be wrong about The Washington Post, but they, the *librul media*, certainly had Rove and Cheney tried and convicted in their reader's minds. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > wrote: > > > > > > I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years > > > ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something > > > is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with > > > people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our > > > brain wave function. > > > > After decades of hearing this crap and having > > been trained to consider themselves more elite > > than pretty much everyone in the world, is it > > any wonder that the TBs see "enemies" and > > "anti-TMers" with "agendas" all around them? > > The whole *point* of training people to be > > elitists is so that they'll develop a "them > > vs. us" mentality and be easier to control. > > > > > Some of the TB's told us not to have > > > non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and > > > never meditate in the same room as others that used other > > > meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable > > > to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. > > > > Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that > > Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE > > meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, > > because he wouldn't be practicing TM, > > would he? You might get cooties. :-) > > Guru Dev, Brahmananda Saraswati IS TM...every cell. But he wouldn't be *practicing* TM, Jim. As anyone who has read his writings knows, he would be practicing a *different* technique of meditation. Therefore, if Geoffrey Clements was stating the official TM position accurately (and he probably was because I've heard the same thing from Maharishi), then you have to assume that the official TM position would be that it would be dangerous to meditate in the same room with Guru Dev. You can't have it both ways. Either techniques other than TM have cooties and "disturb our brain wave functioning," or they don't. And *if* they do, which does seem to be the TM dogma, then the techniques Guru Dev and his fellow monks practiced would fall into that category, and be "dangerous" to be around. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul posted a quote from Guru Dev that made > it clear that Maharishi would never have been > allowed to teach and have disciples within > the tradition that Guru Dev represented. You > can imagine how well that went down with a > fanatical TB. :-) I read the quote from Brahmananda Saraswati, Guru Dev, and then the following comments. The world has changed a great deal since Guru Dev's time. What He said was said in the context of those around Him, and Indian culture. And it was perfect- for THAT time and place. To somehow then say it applies now, or even that it applies by extension to Maharishi is faulty logic. All Guru Dev wants is the rapid increase of Sattva, through the transformation of Tamas, universally. Nothing more and nothing less. He strongly radiates It. There are NO boundaries to His knowledge. PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with regards to His power and purity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" wrote: > > > > I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years > > ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something > > is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate > > with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb > > our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have > > non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and > > never meditate in the same room as others that used other > > meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable > > to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. > > Ingegerd > > > > When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me > that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next > to him. The thought came, "Zen Buddhist". A voice spoke to > him telepathically and said, "What right do you have to > transcend?" Then it continued: "This is how I transcend." > > At that moment, according to my friend, "the bottom fell > out" and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had > ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the > experience to be negative. Although this story sounds somewhat hyped up and fictionalized, that *IS* what it's like to meditate with someone who can go into samadhi for long periods of time. The bottom really does "fall out," in the sense that as long as that person stays in thought- less samadhi, *you* stay in thoughtless samadhi. Forget the "maximum of several seconds" stuff that Sparaig talks about from the experiments; we're talking twenty minutes to an hour easy, sometimes longer. When you think about it, this may be one reason that the TMO doesn't want its people meditating with those from other traditions who can transcend for long periods of time. As long as they don't know it's possible, they don't know what they're missing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction on 9/1/06 10:02 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during > meditation he > felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, "Zen Buddhist". A voice > spoke to > him telepathically and said, "What right do you have to transcend?" Then it > continued: > "This is how I transcend." > > At that moment, according to my friend, "the bottom fell out" and he plunged > into the > deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the > experience to > be negative. I remember that story. Who was that? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even > Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with > regards to His power and purity. PS to Jim. As much as I like you, I probably consider your own ideas of what is true and what is not a great deal more valid than I would consider ideas that you think come straight from a guy who has been dead for over 50 years. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After decades of hearing this crap and having > been trained to consider themselves more elite > than pretty much everyone in the world, (Gee, I wonder how I missed that training.) is it > any wonder that the TBs see "enemies" and > "anti-TMers" with "agendas" all around them? Yeah, how would anybody imagine that someone who has hung out in TM-related groups for over a decade relentlessly criticizing all things TM-ish could possibly have an "agenda"? > The whole *point* of training people to be > elitists is so that they'll develop a "them > vs. us" mentality and be easier to control. But of course you'd never buy into that mentality and think of the TBs "them," would you, Barry? (Terminology is interesting. "Pro-TMer" isn't considered disparaging by either those who support TM or its critics, yet "anti-TMer" evokes howls of outrage from the latter. And while "anti-TMer" is considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't bother them at all to label the pro-TMers "TBs/True Believers.") To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even > Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with > regards to His power and purity. Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev?? Wow! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/1/06 10:02 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> > When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once > >> > during > >> > meditation he > >> > felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, "Zen Buddhist". A > >> voice > >> > spoke to > >> > him telepathically and said, "What right do you have to transcend?" Then > >> > it > >> > continued: > >> > "This is how I transcend." > >> > > >> > At that moment, according to my friend, "the bottom fell out" and he > >> plunged > >> > into the > >> > deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find > >> > the > >> > experience to > >> > be negative. > > > I remember that story. Who was that? Sorry, I remember the story "clear-as-a-bell", but don't remember who told it. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > wrote: > > > > The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did > > dare to write it. it is scaring. > > Ingegerd > > You think it's scary now? Just wait until Maharishi > dies. Based on the pattern of what happens in almost > all spiritual movements when the leader they've placed > on a pedestal dies, it'll get worse...MUCH worse. That is what I am afraid of. Ingegerd > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote: > > > > > > >> > I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill > > > >> > somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I > > hope). > > > >> > It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know > > the > > > >> > threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - > > when > > > >> > MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking > > over the > > > >> > TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you > > never > > > >> > know what will happen. > > > >> > Ingegerd > > > > > > > The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A > > spiritual > > > teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received > > one and > > > changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma > > for stirring > > > up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty > > threat, like > > > children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many > > years says be > > > regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not > > above > > > killing someone or having them killed. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is > > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even > > Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with > > regards to His power and purity. > > Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev?? Wow! > Hi- did what I said sound pompous? Just a misunderstanding. Context is everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me attributing something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I was having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But he wouldn't be *practicing* TM, Jim. As > anyone who has read his writings knows, he > would be practicing a *different* technique > of meditation. Therefore, if Geoffrey Clements > was stating the official TM position accurately > (and he probably was because I've heard the > same thing from Maharishi), then you have to > assume that the official TM position would be > that it would be dangerous to meditate in the > same room with Guru Dev. > > You can't have it both ways. Either techniques > other than TM have cooties and "disturb our > brain wave functioning," or they don't. And > *if* they do, which does seem to be the TM > dogma, then the techniques Guru Dev and his > fellow monks practiced would fall into that > category, and be "dangerous" to be around. > Hi, I really have nothing to say either pro or against this thing about other techniques being practiced in the dome or in proximity to TMers. I was purely sharing what I know about Brahmananda Saraswati- nothing more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > (Terminology is interesting. "Pro-TMer" isn't > considered disparaging by either those who support > TM or its critics, yet "anti-TMer" evokes howls of > outrage from the latter. And while "anti-TMer" is > considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't > bother them at all to label the pro-TMers > "TBs/True Believers.") This is an astute observation. For example, I occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent lable, while at the same time I usually reject the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly. The moral equivalency of labels is usually an uncomfortable topic for those who like to use them. On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily follow that what we might call the "truth content" of the labels is equivalent. As I'm sure you are aware, it's much easier to be impartial about topics in which we are not personally involved. If, for example, we were having a discussion about a group of Christian fundamentalists that was experiencing fragmentation and schism over the years, we would probably be able to identify familiar roles being played out. Furthermore, we would probably have no difficulty accepting the prevailing view among educated people that the hard core membership of the organization is likely to be more narrow-minded and paranoid than the membership at the fringe, and tend to view them more negatively than anyone else would. True believership is a well-documented phenomenon, and is usually associated with some form of cognitive or development deficit. Having said that, it is also only too true that those outside the core are often blind to their own prejudices and negative thinking. In effect, their thought processes are virtually indistinguishable from the TB's. What a beautiful universe. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > But he wouldn't be *practicing* TM, Jim. As > > anyone who has read his writings knows, he > > would be practicing a *different* technique > > of meditation. Therefore, if Geoffrey Clements > > was stating the official TM position accurately > > (and he probably was because I've heard the > > same thing from Maharishi), then you have to > > assume that the official TM position would be > > that it would be dangerous to meditate in the > > same room with Guru Dev. > > > > You can't have it both ways. Either techniques > > other than TM have cooties and "disturb our > > brain wave functioning," or they don't. And > > *if* they do, which does seem to be the TM > > dogma, then the techniques Guru Dev and his > > fellow monks practiced would fall into that > > category, and be "dangerous" to be around. > > > Hi, I really have nothing to say either pro or against this thing > about other techniques being practiced in the dome or in proximity > to TMers. I was purely sharing what I know about Brahmananda > Saraswati- nothing more. In any case, Guru Dev in meditation would likely be all samadhi, all the time, so the question of "techniques" wouldn't even arise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is > > > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. > > > Even Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda > > > Saraswati with regards to His power and purity. > > > > Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev?? Wow! > > > Hi- did what I said sound pompous? I'm not sure "pompous" is quite the word I'd use, but it was a little startling, yes. ;-) Just a misunderstanding. Context is > everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me attributing > something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I > was having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was > specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't me. I figured. Just twitting you a little. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is > > > > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. > > > > Even Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda > > > > Saraswati with regards to His power and purity. > > > > > > Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev?? Wow! > > > > > Hi- did what I said sound pompous? > > I'm not sure "pompous" is quite the word I'd use, > but it was a little startling, yes. ;-) > > Just a misunderstanding. Context is > > everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me attributing > > something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I > > was having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was > > specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't me. > > I figured. Just twitting you a little. > That's fine- yeah I am absolutely clear who is who when I write stuff... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In any case, Guru Dev in meditation would likely be > all samadhi, all the time, so the question of > "techniques" wouldn't even arise. > Right- incomprehensibly beyond any techniques, beyond anything really. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > >>> >> Great idea and great post. I¹ve often felt that one possible > >> > scenario after > >>> >> MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail and MUM will > >>> >> become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably. > >>> >> > >> > Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund? > > > I don¹t know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante or Mark > Meredith. > > > >> >Or has everything been > >> > funnled into pundits, rajas etc? > > > Lot¹s has been secretly siphoned off by ³International² over the years, for > undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning of the > university. > That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > snip > > > (Terminology is interesting. "Pro-TMer" isn't > > considered disparaging by either those who support > > TM or its critics, yet "anti-TMer" evokes howls of > > outrage from the latter. And while "anti-TMer" is > > considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't > > bother them at all to label the pro-TMers > > "TBs/True Believers.") > > > > > This is an astute observation. For example, I occasionally use the True Believer or > equivalent lable, while at the same time I usually reject the anti- TM label when applied to > yours truly. > > The moral equivalency of labels is usually an uncomfortable topic for those who like to use > them. On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily follow that what we might call the "truth > content" of the labels is equivalent. Right, it's more a matter of what people intend when applying the labels. "True Believer," as used here, is almost always intended to demean (not necessarily by you), and it tends to be applied indiscriminately to anyone who expresses disagreement with a TM critic. Until one of the critical noisemakers here started attacking me (and others) for using the term "anti-TMer," however, I had never considered it a derogatory term. I had used the phrase "rabid anti-TMer" when I wanted to indicate an extremist position, and I used it very selectively. Yet somehow the pro-TMers are expected to refer politely to "TM critics" while humbly submitting to being labeled "True Believers." > As I'm sure you are aware, it's much easier to be impartial about topics in which we are not > personally involved. If, for example, we were having a discussion about a group of > Christian fundamentalists that was experiencing fragmentation and schism over the years, > we would probably be able to identify familiar roles being played out. Furthermore, we > would probably have no difficulty accepting the prevailing view among educated people > that the hard core membership of the organization is likely to be more narrow-minded > and paranoid than the membership at the fringe, and tend to view them more negatively > than anyone else would. Certainly. > True believership is a well-documented phenomenon, and is usually associated with some > form of cognitive or development deficit. I suspect so, which is why it should be used selectively. > Having said that, it is also only too true that those outside the core are often blind to their > own prejudices and negative thinking. In effect, their thought processes are virtually > indistinguishable from the TB's. Thank you. I've been pointing this out here for some time now, so I'm pleased to find you concur. > What a beautiful universe. Weird, but beautiful... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did a quick check into mum finances. lastest data is from 04. > > income = $23.4 million, expensees = $23.3 million. net assets = $29.5 > million, endowment fund = $6.3 million. $854,000 received in grants > that year. hagelin was paid $113,000 as board member. > Pretty small endowment after all these years. Looks like Hagelin is one of a very very few. Thanks, JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2 on 9/1/06 11:15 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money > they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff? Who can say for sure? But the Shrivastavas are rumored to be living pretty well. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
> > (Terminology is interesting. "Pro-TMer" isn't > > considered disparaging by either those who support > > TM or its critics, yet "anti-TMer" evokes howls of > > outrage from the latter. And while "anti-TMer" is > > considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't > > bother them at all to label the pro-TMers > > "TBs/True Believers.") > > > > This is an astute observation. For example, I > occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent > lable, while at the same time I usually reject > the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly. The thing is, "True Believer" is actually more accurate than "pro-TMer." "True Believer" implies all of the characteristics that Eric Hoffer wrote about in his books, while "pro-TMer" only implies someone who feels that the TM *technique* itself is beneficial. The term "anti-TMer" is incredibly inaccurate, and IMO consciously so. I would say that *most* of the people here who have problems with some of the TM dogma and some of the TMO behavior have *no* such problems with the basic TM technique itself. The attempt to call someone who has problems with some of the TM dogma and many of the actions of the TMO an "anti-TMer" is DISHONEST. MOST of the folks here who have been called "anti-TMers" by one of Hoffer's classic TBs have NO problems with TM the technique. It's just that the TBs want people to *think* that they do. Read the list of Hoffer's criteria for a "True Believer." THAT is what I am referring to when I term someone a TB or True Believer. I am *not* suggesting merely that they are "pro-TM" and that being a "pro-TMEer" is a bad thing. Hell, *I* am actually "pro-TM" in that I think that the basic TM technique has value. But at the same time I believe that many of the personality traits and behaviors exhibited by the True Believers are very damaging indeed, both to themselves and to others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > wrote: > > > > I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years > > ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something > > is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with > > people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our > > brain wave function. > > After decades of hearing this crap and having > been trained to consider themselves more elite > than pretty much everyone in the world, is it > any wonder that the TBs see "enemies" and > "anti-TMers" with "agendas" all around them? > The whole *point* of training people to be > elitists is so that they'll develop a "them > vs. us" mentality and be easier to control. > > > Some of the TB's told us not to have > > non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and > > never meditate in the same room as others that used other > > meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable > > to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. > > Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that > Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE > meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, > because he wouldn't be practicing TM, > would he? You might get cooties. :-) > ...and I've meditated with TMers who were unstressing SO much that it was uncomfortable to be in the same room with them while they were doing TM... And when I fly and I meditate next to someone NOT doing TM -- they may be sleeping -- am I being negatively affected? What about that wonderful silence one experiences in a church or a monastery and we take advantage of it by sitting down to meditate in that silence...obviously the "vibes" in those places are NOT a result of TMers...should we NOT do that? Or, closer to home, going to a temple in India and experiencing the silence there...it wasn't created by TMers...should we avoid that experience? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2 on 9/1/06 11:27 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > , "markmeredith2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Did a quick check into mum finances. lastest data is from 04. >> >> income = $23.4 million, expensees = $23.3 million. net assets = $29.5 >> million, endowment fund = $6.3 million. $854,000 received in grants >> that year. hagelin was paid $113,000 as board member. >> > > Pretty small endowment after all these years. Looks like Hagelin is > one of a very very few. Maharishi had to pay him well to convince him to drop his business aspirations and be full time. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is > > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even > > Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with > > regards to His power and purity. > > PS to Jim. > > As much as I like you, I probably consider your > own ideas of what is true and what is not a great > deal more valid than I would consider ideas that > you think come straight from a guy who has been > dead for over 50 years. :-) > No thought in it- I guess it all depends on how you define 'dead' :- ). Is death truly defined by just the body we have on earth dying? Or is there a tangible element of life continuing as part of the death process? Do a Byron Katie type inquiry on that one please, and see what you come up with... I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? I appreciate your honest response, though I do think it equally important to always keep an open mind about such things. The world is not always as it seems :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > (Terminology is interesting. "Pro-TMer" isn't > > > considered disparaging by either those who support > > > TM or its critics, yet "anti-TMer" evokes howls of > > > outrage from the latter. And while "anti-TMer" is > > > considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't > > > bother them at all to label the pro-TMers > > > "TBs/True Believers.") > > > > > > > > This is an astute observation. For example, I > > occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent > > lable, while at the same time I usually reject > > the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly. > > The thing is, "True Believer" is actually more > accurate than "pro-TMer." "True Believer" implies > all of the characteristics that Eric Hoffer wrote > about in his books, while "pro-TMer" only implies > someone who feels that the TM *technique* itself > is beneficial. > > The term "anti-TMer" is incredibly inaccurate, > and IMO consciously so. I would say that *most* > of the people here who have problems with some of > the TM dogma and some of the TMO behavior have *no* > such problems with the basic TM technique itself. > > The attempt to call someone who has problems with > some of the TM dogma and many of the actions of > the TMO an "anti-TMer" is DISHONEST. MOST of the > folks here who have been called "anti-TMers" by > one of Hoffer's classic TBs have NO problems with > TM the technique. It's just that the TBs want > people to *think* that they do. > > Read the list of Hoffer's criteria for a "True > Believer." THAT is what I am referring to when I > term someone a TB or True Believer. I am *not* > suggesting merely that they are "pro-TM" and > that being a "pro-TMEer" is a bad thing. Hell, > *I* am actually "pro-TM" in that I think that > the basic TM technique has value. > > But at the same time I believe that many of the > personality traits and behaviors exhibited by the > True Believers are very damaging indeed, both to > themselves and to others. > Shame on you for snipping! SHAME SHAME SHAME. Just kidding of course. But note that in the part you snipped, I said: "On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily follow that what we might call the "truth content" of the labels is equivalent. Furthermore, we would probably have no difficulty accepting the prevailing view among educated people that the hard core membership of the organization is likely to be more narrow-minded and paranoid than the membership at the fringe, and tend to view them more negatively than anyone else would." This is the part that agrees with your points, which are all well-taken. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > > > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is > > > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. > Even > > > Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with > > > regards to His power and purity. > > > > PS to Jim. > > > > As much as I like you, I probably consider your > > own ideas of what is true and what is not a great > > deal more valid than I would consider ideas that > > you think come straight from a guy who has been > > dead for over 50 years. :-) > > > No thought in it- I guess it all depends on how you define 'dead' :- > ). Is death truly defined by just the body we have on earth dying? > Or is there a tangible element of life continuing as part of the > death process? Do a Byron Katie type inquiry on that one please, and > see what you come up with... > > I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many > years. > Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! > Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! > > Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct > perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had > such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? > > I appreciate your honest response, though I do think it equally > important to always keep an open mind about such things. The > world is not always as it seems :-) So here's a fun intellectual quandary to pursue... (Just to clarify, I am *not* saying the following about you personally, Jim, because we've never discussed this subject and I don't know where you stand on it. I'm just bringing it up because it's one of my favorite weirdnesses about the TM movement.) The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that without exception, the TMers I've met who believe that they can perceive or be in communication with something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness *also* believe, when you ask them about it, in Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight- ened being when they die. You remember that dogma, right? It's "the drop returns to the ocean" rap, in which individuality is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, toast, never to appear again. Me, I don't know either way, but I do have fun noticing that the *same* people who firmly believe that there is no individuality left after an enlightened being dies (as Maharishi says) have no problem whatsoever believing that they've at one point or another in their lives been in contact with Guru Dev's individuality. This contradiction really isn't one for me because I *don't* believe in Maharishi's "the drop returns to the ocean rap." So if I had run into Guru Dev's consciousness somewhere along the way (I haven't) I'd have had no intellectual problems with it. It just strikes me that those who claim to believe in Maharishi's theory *should* have an intellectual problem with running into the individual conscious- ness of someone they consider enlightened who died. It seems to me that if they truly believe that they've encountered Guru Dev's individual conscious- ness that they should believe that Maharishi is wrong about his "drop returning to the ocean" theory. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > (Terminology is interesting. "Pro-TMer" isn't > > > considered disparaging by either those who support > > > TM or its critics, yet "anti-TMer" evokes howls of > > > outrage from the latter. And while "anti-TMer" is > > > considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't > > > bother them at all to label the pro-TMers > > > "TBs/True Believers.") > > > > > > > > This is an astute observation. For example, I > > occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent > > lable, while at the same time I usually reject > > the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly. > > The thing is, "True Believer" is actually more > accurate than "pro-TMer." "True Believer" implies > all of the characteristics that Eric Hoffer wrote > about in his books, while "pro-TMer" only implies > someone who feels that the TM *technique* itself > is beneficial. > > The term "anti-TMer" is incredibly inaccurate, > and IMO consciously so. I would say that *most* > of the people here who have problems with some of > the TM dogma and some of the TMO behavior have *no* > such problems with the basic TM technique itself. > > The attempt to call someone who has problems with > some of the TM dogma and many of the actions of > the TMO an "anti-TMer" is DISHONEST. MOST of the > folks here who have been called "anti-TMers" by > one of Hoffer's classic TBs have NO problems with > TM the technique. It's just that the TBs want > people to *think* that they do. No, this is a deliberate distortion on Barry's part. Neither "anti-TMer" nor "pro-TMer" is used with reference *only* to one's attitude to the TM technique, and he knows it. > Read the list of Hoffer's criteria for a "True > Believer." THAT is what I am referring to when I > term someone a TB or True Believer. Anyone familiar with Hoffer's work knows that his "True Believer" label is *ludicrously* inapplicable to most of those to whom Barry attempts to apply it here. I am *not* > suggesting merely that they are "pro-TM" and > that being a "pro-TMEer" is a bad thing. Hell, > *I* am actually "pro-TM" in that I think that > the basic TM technique has value. > > But at the same time I believe that many of the > personality traits and behaviors exhibited by the > True Believers are very damaging indeed, both to > themselves and to others. As LB noted in his post: "True believership is a well-documented phenomenon, and is usually associated with some form of cognitive or development deficit. "Having said that, it is also only too true that those outside the core are often blind to their own prejudices and negative thinking. In effect, their thought processes are virtually indistinguishable from the TB's." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that > without exception, the TMers I've met who believe > that they can perceive or be in communication with > something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness > *also* believe, when you ask them about it, in > Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight- > ened being when they die. > > You remember that dogma, right? It's "the drop > returns to the ocean" rap, in which individuality > is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, > toast, never to appear again. > I don't recall hearing Maharishi ever talk about after death experience, so I am not familiar with that rap of his. In any case my personal belief is that the two states, live here, or live there (aka death) are pretty much the same- Same Stuff; Different Existence (to parapharase a popular expression...). It doesn't make any sense to me that what we call death should be strange and different. I mean, isn't life here strange and different enough?? Considering what you have said above about what Maharishi said about the death of enlightened beings, I think it is better for us to gain enlightenment ourselves and then better determine what the experience is, regardless of what Maharishi has said on the subject, or what we think he has said on the subject. So, in conclusion, I have not heard Maharishi say anything that contradicts my direct experience of Brahmananda Saraswati. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Be careful!
Russian music site. Loads of short samples. E.g. Ravi Shankar: http://music.km.ru/album.asp?id=dbae12dcfe0b49ccb2282487b3fbc4bb To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Be careful!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Russian music site. > Loads of short samples. > E.g. Ravi Shankar: > > http://music.km.ru/album.asp?id=dbae12dcfe0b49ccb2282487b3fbc4bb > Menuhin meets Shankar: http://music.km.ru/album.asp?id=9dd807962a304a8981612a71e2dfef09 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: **SNIP** > > So here's a fun intellectual quandary to pursue... > **SNIP** > > The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that > without exception, the TMers I've met who believe > that they can perceive or be in communication with > something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness > *also* believe, when you ask them about it, in > Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight- > ened being when they die. > > You remember that dogma, right? It's "the drop > returns to the ocean" rap, in which individuality > is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, > toast, never to appear again. > > Me, I don't know either way, but I do have fun > noticing that the *same* people who firmly believe > that there is no individuality left after an > enlightened being dies (as Maharishi says) have > no problem whatsoever believing that they've at > one point or another in their lives been in contact > with Guru Dev's individuality. > **SNIP** > > It just strikes me that those who claim to believe > in Maharishi's theory *should* have an intellectual > problem with running into the individual conscious- > ness of someone they consider enlightened who died. > It seems to me that if they truly believe that > they've encountered Guru Dev's individual conscious- > ness that they should believe that Maharishi is > wrong about his "drop returning to the ocean" theory. > **END** The critique (above) assumes that the past (and the future, too, it would follow) is an actual and separate reality from the present. But only the Present is ever experienced and the concepts of past and future only utilitarian concepts of slicing and dicing It so we have something to talk about. The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human experience creates and accomodates "changes" through time and space. I'm sure you've probably read it in the past. However, to whatever degree someone did hold those two concepts simultaneously while also regarding past, present, and future to be separate realities, I agree that it would be something of an intellectual contradiction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
That was just a side comment or point of information. I didn't intend for you to alter the translation. I would be surprised if Brahmanand Saraswati was aware of the variation of sunrise and sunsets in more northerly countries unless he also practiced astrology and was working on charts from those areas. Given that question however he may have well responded to make the room dark. Paul Mason wrote: >Yes Barry2, in this context that must be what he meant and I have >ammended the translation to reflect this view: >http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Paul Mason wrote: >> >> >> >>>Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few >>>words about when and how to meditate. >>>Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 >>> >>>"At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but >>> >>> >at > > >>>night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of >>> >>> >japa > > >>>of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa >>> >>> >muurti' > > >>>(desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout >>>meditation) quick advancement occurs. >>> >>>In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the >>> >>> >mantra, > > >>>and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the >>>ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on >>> >>> >the > > >>>foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of >>> >>> >compassion > > >>>of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The >>> >>> >vision > > >>>of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not >>> >>> >envisage > > >>>the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the >>>vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa >>> >>> >in > > >>>the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From >>>this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind >>>gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will >>> >>> >stay > > >>>in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across >>> >>> >the > > >>>ocean of samsaara." >>>['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] >>> >>>More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm >>> >>> >>> >>It's important to remember that India being close to the equator >> >> >does > > >>not have the varying sunrise and sunset times nor Daylight Saving >> >> >Time > > >>that more northerly countries have. Hence many gurus will modify >> >> >the > > >>meditation after sunset to meditating in a dark room. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that > > without exception, the TMers I've met who believe > > that they can perceive or be in communication with > > something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness > > *also* believe, when you ask them about it, in > > Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight- > > ened being when they die. > > > > You remember that dogma, right? It's "the drop > > returns to the ocean" rap, in which individuality > > is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, > > toast, never to appear again. > > I don't recall hearing Maharishi ever talk about after death > experience, so I am not familiar with that rap of his. > > In any case my personal belief is that the two states, live here, or > live there (aka death) are pretty much the same- Same Stuff; > Different Existence (to parapharase a popular expression...). It > doesn't make any sense to me that what we call death should be > strange and different. I mean, isn't life here strange and different > enough?? > > Considering what you have said above about what Maharishi said about > the death of enlightened beings, I think it is better for us to gain > enlightenment ourselves and then better determine what the > experience is, regardless of what Maharishi has said on the subject, > or what we think he has said on the subject. > > So, in conclusion, I have not heard Maharishi say anything that > contradicts my direct experience of Brahmananda Saraswati. I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look forward to what is inevitably going to happen after Maharishi himself dies. The *same* people who will claim that he was the hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his theories were perfect and correct in every instance are going to start claiming that they're in communication with his individual spirit now that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories would have to be incorrect for this to happen is never going to occur to them... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look > forward to what is inevitably going to happen after > Maharishi himself dies. > > The *same* people who will claim that he was the > hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his > theories were perfect and correct in every instance > are going to start claiming that they're in > communication with his individual spirit now > that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories > would have to be incorrect for this to happen is > never going to occur to them... > Not necessarily. Whether or not we see someone as supremely enlightened does not determine whether or not we will be in communication with them. If they are truly supremely enlightened, it is up to them whether or not we are in contact with them. If there is an overwhelming and steadfast desire or our part, then we may be fortunate. Otherwise, if it is a fanciful pipe dream, or something spur of the moment, nothing will occur, regardless of our estimation of Maharishi or anyone else as supremely enlightened. Remember that beneath this covering of flesh and blood is a soul seeking knowledge and whatever occurs in our world primarily feeds the knowledge of the soul, regardless of how we may be affected by it. The goal of course is to attain integration so that the soul and the individual are one, aka enlightenment. This is the true purpose of sidhi powers, and Blessings of the Saints. And this is why such phenomena are not easily scrutinized by the idly curious or disdainful. Rather than the dry musings of the merely curious, there is a rich hidden world available to the devout. Those whose main motive in seeking such phenomena is ego bound will always be confounded, for the Self will always assert its dominion, bowing to nothing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The *same* people who will claim that he was the > hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his > theories were perfect and correct in every instance > are going to start claiming that they're in > communication with his individual spirit now > that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories > would have to be incorrect for this to happen is > never going to occur to them... Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a > delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human experience > creates and accomodates "changes" through time and space. I'm sure > you've probably read it in the past. I was intrigued by your description and went looking on the Web for the story. The only thing I could find was what follows, on the Web site of one Swami Shyamendra. I assume it's the story you're referring to; I found this rendition of it delightful. (I thought the Swami's whole Web site was charming. I had never heard of him. He must have some sort of organization, but it looks to me as though he wrote most of the content himself.) I've quoted just the story itself; it's preceded and followed by explanations and elaborations. Ecstacy of Just Being Myself? YOGA VASISTHA Vol II by Swami Shyam Paramahansa SECTION 2 THE STORY OF JHIWAT A monk was practicing Yoga. Systematically he succeeded to master states of non- violence, non-falsehood, non-sensationalism, non-alluring and non- possessiveness of mind. He mastered then inner and outer cleanliness, contentment, austerity, study of scriptures and abiding by the will of the cosmic. Then he mastered pyramidical posture, then balanced prana and prana airs. Then he disconnected the urges of senses from their moorings towards their objects. Then he focused concentration, then penetrated deeper recesses of his consciousness crossing all the way from sub, unconscious and deeper unconscious to the state of Mystica Trancensia. He enjoyed it so much. He stayed on that ascended state of timeless, breathless and bodiless state of relaxation longer and longer. When he descended down back to body consciousness he strolled around, ate something, smelled some flowers growing outside, then entered into the state of trance again. A long time passed. Then one day some visitors came. They left a book of someone's autobiography in the cottage. Before going to rest he read the book and entered in sleep. His system was so clean, whatever he thought reflected in and through his mind all the way. His name became Jhivat in his dream. He was both a drunkard and serviceful man to the wise men. After service he drank his favorite Double Scotch and slept. In dream he became a bramhin. He studied the scriptures well and became an evangelist and began preaching the word of God. Exhausted one day after long hours of giving a sermon and collecting enormous amounts of tithings he slept, while still counting all the dollar bills. In dream he became a President of United States of America and began making his army bases in every third world country and almost buying them. He slept again one night in his White House and saw another dream in which he had become the most prosperous President of the world. He was successfully able to place electrodes in the skull of governing leaders of every nation of the world. And sitting in the White House in a huge laboratory with a group of scientists, he began operating the brains of every leader of the world. One day a most beautiful lady from Moscow came to visit him. In the White House they dined together. Music played. After everybody left they retired to the bedroom where they fell in love and made love together. Both together, embraced, fell asleep. He entered then in another dream. He had become a most beautiful woman, a nymph in heaven. There he grew up as a dancer. While dancing her eyes met with one of her audience who was a very handsome angel. After dance he rushed onto the stage and took her in his warm embrace. They married and started living happily. Then one evening they went for a walk in a picturesque garden. From there in a computer they saw all the most beautiful gardens of the earth. Together they started visiting the planet earth in their well built flying saucer. Kashmir, Switzerland, Disneyland, Vedaland, Niagra Falls, they traveled, strolled, sported and played music. One day she saw a wonderful golden deer. Large eyes charmed her and she took her to her planet as her pet. She kept her in the next room. She slept in the night with her angel husband and saw a dream in which she became a deer. She was wandering forest to forest in lush, green grass and trees surrounded with vines blooming with flowers. Seeing these she slept and saw herself being a bumble bee humming around the flowers. Then she saw herself being a lotus flower. One day an elephant came and ate the lotus. Then lotus became an elephant in next life. Rushing towards his girlfriend he fell in a ditch and was beaten by hunters so much that he swooned and saw in dream he became a creeper. A swan came from somewhere and ate i
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > wrote: > > > The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a > > delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human experience > > creates and accomodates "changes" through time and space. I'm sure > > you've probably read it in the past. > > I was intrigued by your description and went > looking on the Web for the story. The only > thing I could find was what follows, on the Web > site of one Swami Shyamendra. > http://www.swamishyam.org/Yoga-Vasistha-2/YOGA-V_1.HTM > Great find! I was looking too but did not uncover the jewel :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'If Bush Was Assasinated by Mark Almond- Oriel College, Oxford'
There would be block parties all over the US. Robert Gimbel wrote: >What if Bush really was assassinated?by MARK ALMOND Last updated at 13:30pm on >1st September 2006) > Bush is shot by a sniper in a scene from Death of a President. > HeadlinesHeld up by a Secret Service bodyguard in his dying moments after > being shot in the stomach, this is President Bush being assassinated. > > > The American leader is surrounded by a crowd of panicking onlookers just > seconds after being gunned down by a Syrian-born U.S. citizen outside a > Chicago hotel. But this shocking image, created by putting the President's > face onto an actor with digital wizardry, is part of a new British drama for > Channel Four about the War on Terror. In Death Of A President, which has > caused outrage in America and will premiere at the Toronto Film Festival this > month, the shooting is a starting point for a fictional documentary about > what happened next. So what would happen if President Bush was assassinated? > Here, a historian looks to the future — and imagines the terrifying > consequences. BEFORE that fateful day — November 9, 2006 — historians liked > to say the world could never again lurch into global crisis because of one > man's death, as it had in 1914 when Austria's Archduke Franz Ferdinand was > murdered in Sarajevo, sparking World War I. The assassination of John > Kennedy at the > height of the Cold War hadn't led to Armageddon in 1963, so why should things > spiral out of control now if a president was murdered? That confident view > was shattered as global communications networks froze from overload while > transmitting round the world the picture of the 43rd President of the United > States slumping forward after being fatally shot in the stomach. The murder > of George W. Bush set off a global crisis with which we still live today, ten > years after he was killed. Of course, in retrospect, we historians could > see it all coming. In the summer of 2006, there had been the 'proxy war' > between America and Iran fought out in Lebanon between their two regional > allies, Israel and Hezbollah. That war ended badly for Israel and emboldened > Iran to defy the United Nations and, more to the point, the United States > over its nuclear ambitions. George W. Bush's hopes of bringing 'peace > through democracy' to the Middle East after his invasion of Iraq had already > worn > thin by autumn 2006. Anti-war demonstrations had become more numerous and > security tightened everywhere. The crude dum-dum bullet fired into the > President's stomach that November day caused fatal bleeding and the media > were reporting the suspected assassin's details within minutes. Few people > in America needed to know more than that the suspected killer of their > President was Syrian-born. As the spotlight of blame focused on Syria, > regarded by Americans as Iran's poodle, the Iranian Foreign Ministry didn't > help its cause by issuing a perfunctory statement expressing regret that the > President had 'died in a violent manner' and hoping that the American people > would soon choose a new one who would be more peace-loving. It outraged > Americans and George W's mother Barbara was overheard at the state funeral > telling Cherie Blair: 'It was like what you say to the maid when her dog gets > run over. Get a new one, dear, you'll get over it.' The American public > wasn't > interested in the formal regrets from Damascus and Tehran. Television > coverage showed scenes of jubilation on the streets of Syrian and Iranian > cities. The new President, speaking from a 'secure location' soon nicknamed > Bunker One, announced that 'those who celebrate death will learn to taste it > soon enough'. Dick Cheney appeared unfazed by the day's gruesome events. > While America closed ranks and mourned, across the Islamic world Bush's death > was greeted with outpourings of joy. American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan > got into firefights with local militias shooting in the air. Saddam's trial > was suspended as the defendants hugged each other in the dock. But what > hurt Americans most was the Europeans' lack of grief. Officially, Europe, > from Brussels to Berlin and Paris, expressed sorrow and outrage, and > President Chirac led the EU mourners in Washington. But there was nothing > like the sadness which greeted Kennedy's murder four decades earlier. > Despite Britain's > own experience of Islamic terrorism, the public response to the murder of the > American president here was muted, at best — and in some quarters, not all > Muslim, it was joyful. The Independent newspaper published its obituary > with a front-page collage under the headline 'Latest victim of war on > terror'. A passport-style photograph of the late President was put in > alphabetical order between a Marine sergeant, George Urban Bush, killed in > Iraq the day before and an A
[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Guidelines.txt
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
>Did a quick check into mum finances. snip hagelin was paid $113,000 as board member. > >>> >> > snip > > > Maharishi had to pay him well to convince him to drop his business > aspirations and be full time. Good for him. He does a good job as a spokesman for TMO. Doesn't really matter if you think what he says is BS, I'd rather have him, rather than Neal Patterson as the movement mouthpiece. lurk > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > > wrote: > > > > > The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a > > > delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human experience > > > creates and accomodates "changes" through time and space. I'm > sure > > > you've probably read it in the past. > > > > I was intrigued by your description and went > > looking on the Web for the story. The only > > thing I could find was what follows, on the Web > > site of one Swami Shyamendra. > > http://www.swamishyam.org/Yoga-Vasistha-2/YOGA-V_1.HTM > > > Great find! I was looking too but did not uncover the jewel :-) I have no idea how authentic it is Vasishta- wise, but I love the way the Swami-dude's whimsical personality comes through in the telling. I especially liked the contemporary references. The whole Web site is like that, your fairly standard high-flown enlightenment-speak in his very Indiasyncratic English, with these unexpected little flashes here and there of wry, down-to-earth contemporary humor. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Never thought I would see this.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/1/06 9:14:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) > , MDixon6569@, MDi > > > > _End of an Affair_ > > (_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) > dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/ > Nasty old librul media, eh? > > It's not *quite* as cut-and-dried as the Post makes > it sound, however. > > Well, I may be wrong about The Washington Post, but they, the > *librul media*, certainly had Rove and Cheney tried and convicted > in their reader's minds. For a thorough debunking of the Post's appallingly disingenuous editorial, see this diary at the blog DailyKos: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/1/162135/3059 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look > > forward to what is inevitably going to happen after > > Maharishi himself dies. > > > > The *same* people who will claim that he was the > > hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his > > theories were perfect and correct in every instance > > are going to start claiming that they're in > > communication with his individual spirit now > > that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories > > would have to be incorrect for this to happen is > > never going to occur to them... > > > Not necessarily. Whether or not we see someone as supremely > enlightened does not determine whether or not we will be in > communication with them. If they are truly supremely enlightened, it > is up to them whether or not we are in contact with them. If there > is an overwhelming and steadfast desire or our part, then we may be > fortunate. Otherwise, if it is a fanciful pipe dream, or something > spur of the moment, nothing will occur, regardless of our estimation > of Maharishi or anyone else as supremely enlightened. > > Remember that beneath this covering of flesh and blood is a soul > seeking knowledge and whatever occurs in our world primarily feeds > the knowledge of the soul, regardless of how we may be affected by > it. The goal of course is to attain integration so that the soul and > the individual are one, aka enlightenment. > > This is the true purpose of sidhi powers, and Blessings of the > Saints. And this is why such phenomena are not easily scrutinized by > the idly curious or disdainful. Rather than the dry musings of the > merely curious, there is a rich hidden world available to the devout. > > Those whose main motive in seeking such phenomena is ego bound will > always be confounded, for the Self will always assert its dominion, > bowing to nothing. Well spoken...! R.G. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
It was fun to read Swami Shyamendra's version of the 100 Rudras that you found. Thanks for that. Below is an excerpt from the same story from Swami Venkatesananda's Yoga Vasishta published by the SUNY Press. *** THE STORY OF THE HUNDRED RUDRAS VASISHTA continued: In this connection I shall narrate a legend to you, O Rama, to which please lend your ear. There once lived a mendicant who was devoted to meditation. His mind, having been purified by such meditation, came to possess the power to materialise its thoughts. One day, being tired of continuous meditation, yet having his mind fully concentrated, he thought of doing something. He fancied birth as one who was illiterate and of a non-brahmana family. Instantly, he had become, as it were, a tribesman: there arose in him the feeling 'I am Jivata'. This dream-being roamed for some time in the city also built of dream-objects. One day he got drunk and slept. He dreamt that he was a brahmana endowed with knowledge of the scriptures. While he was living a righteous life, one day this brahmana dreamt that he was a powerful king. He dreamt that he was a mighty emperor of unequalled glory. One day he indulged in royal pleasures and after that slept and dreamt of a celestial nymph. Similarly, this nymph one day dreamt that she was a deer. And this deer dreamt that it was a creeper. Surely, even animals behold dreams, for such is the nature of the mind which can recollect what has been seen and what has been heard. The deer became a creeper. The inner intelligence in the creeper saw in its own heart a bee. It became a bee -- and the bee began to drink the nectar in the flowers on the creeper. It became attached to the nectar in one of those flowers, surely for its own destruction! At night an elephant approached this creeper and plucked it, along with the bee, and crushed it in its mouth. However, the bee, having seen the elephant, contemplated the elephant and became an elephant. The elephant was captured by a king. One day it saw a hive of bees and on account of the memory of its own past birth it became a bee. It began to drink the nectar of the flowers in wild creepers. It became a creeper. The creeper was destroyed by an elephant, but because the creeper had seen swans in the nearby lake, it became a swan. One day this swan was roaming in the company of many other swans. While the mendicant was meditating upon this swan, he was overcome by death. His consciousness therefore became embodied in the swan. VASISHTA continued: That swan once beheld lord Rudra and in his heart there arose the conviction 'I am Rudra'. Instantly it abandoned its body as swan and became Rudra. And that Rudra dwelt in the abode of Rudra. However, since Rudra was endowed with true knowledge, he remembered all that had taken place! *** The story continues for another 9-10 pages and is one of my favorites in the whole Yoga Vasishta. The Yoga Vasishta is just a wonderful book and incomparable. I highly recommend it. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > wrote: > > > The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a > > delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human experience > > creates and accomodates "changes" through time and space. I'm sure > > you've probably read it in the past. > > I was intrigued by your description and went > looking on the Web for the story. The only > thing I could find was what follows, on the Web > site of one Swami Shyamendra. I assume it's the > story you're referring to; I found this rendition > of it delightful. (I thought the Swami's whole > Web site was charming. I had never heard of him. > He must have some sort of organization, but it > looks to me as though he wrote most of the content > himself.) > > I've quoted just the story itself; it's > preceded and followed by explanations and > elaborations. > > Ecstacy of Just Being Myself? > YOGA VASISTHA Vol II > by Swami Shyam Paramahansa > SECTION 2 > THE STORY OF JHIWAT > > A monk was practicing Yoga. > > Systematically he succeeded to master states of non- > violence, non-falsehood, non-sensationalism, non-alluring and non- > possessiveness of mind. > He mastered then inner and outer cleanliness, > contentment, austerity, study of scriptures and abiding by the will > of the cosmic. > Then he mastered pyramidical posture, then balanced prana > and prana airs. > Then he disconnected the urges of senses from their > moorings towards their objects. > Then he focused concentration, then penetrated deeper > recesses of his consciousness crossing all the way from sub, > unconscious and deeper unconscious to the state of Mystica > Trancensia. He enjoyed it so much. He stayed on that ascended state > of timeless, breathless and bodiless sta
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > [snip] > > > > Yep, that staggering achievement of bringing over one pundit, > > supported by a private group of people. > > > > And who is his cook? > > This is the third time you've asked who his cook is. What's up with > that? Why the fascination with who's going to cook for the guy? > One excuse for why there are no pundits here is that the visas for their cooks are difficult or impossible to obtain. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, well, that kind of misses my point, which was > > > that *some* things that are apparently cultural may > > > *also* be "scientific" in that their specific effects > > > are universal. (I wasn't including saris, by the way.) > > > > Thanks for clarifying. I didn't address that because I didn't see > > that the point was in contention (although "universal" is a pretty > > large in scope). > > If there really is a "law of nature" component to > any of this stuff, it *would* be universal, wouldn't > it? That's what I was getting at. > > I didn't even think I was suggesting throwing > > anything out in the first place, only saying that I don't believe > > Maharishi is totally uninfluenced by culture, history, situation > > in time, and ideology, and that some of what he does is based on > > that. > > Yes indeed, I fully agree. It's just that there's a > tendency on this forum (not you necessarily) to see > everything in black-and-white terms--in this case, if > it's cultural, it's *only* cultural and can thus be > disregarded. So I wanted to suggest a caveat in that > regard. > > > I wasn't even saying > > that's a bad thing, more that it is unavoidable. Just as Guru Dev > > was influenced by his cultural milieu, so is Maharishi. > > Yup. > > > > And the issue with Vedic chanting, of course, would > > > be whether it has a *positive* effect on consciousness. > > > (I'm not talking about whether it's enjoyable or > > > elevating to listen to aesthetically; I'd vastly > > > rather listen to Bach for that.) > > > > > That could lead to some interesting discussion about precisely which > > recitation--Vedic or or non-Vedic sanskrit, or Buddhist, Chinese, > > Japanese, Australian aboriginal, North American native, African > > etc. > > Hebrew too, although from a different angle. Many > ancient languages make similar claims. > > --has which effects for developing consciousness or making life > > more in harmony with natural law etc. I have more questions than > > answers in that regard. No doubt some of the more scholarly posters > > here would have some interesting things to say. > > > > If I have time perhaps I'll start a new thread on that topic. > > Please do, it's an area of interest for me. As far as > I'm aware, the TMO is the only group that has attempted > to research the effect of language sounds on consciousness. > Do you know of any such efforts elsewhere, with other > languages than Sanskrit? It would be neat to do a > comparative study, I should think. > Only one, which suggests that the effect isn't exactly replictable... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed 1: Int J Neurosci. 2001 Jul;109(1-2):71-80. Links Physiological patterns during practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique compared with patterns while reading Sanskrit and a modern language. Travis F, Olson T, Egenes T, Gupta HK. Psychology Dept., Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield, Iowa 52557, USA. This study tested the prediction that reading Vedic Sanskrit texts, without knowledge of their meaning, produces a distinct physiological state. We measured EEG, breath rate, heart rate, and skin conductance during: (1) 15-min Transcendental Meditation (TM) practice; (2) 15-min reading verses of the Bhagavad Gita in Sanskrit; and (3) 15-min reading the same verses translated in German, Spanish, or French. The two reading conditions were randomly counterbalanced, and subjects filled out experience forms between each block to reduce carryover effects. Skin conductance levels significantly decreased during both reading Sanskrit and TM practice, and increased slightly during reading a modern language. Alpha power and coherence were significantly higher when reading Sanskrit and during TM practice, compared to reading modern languages. Similar physiological patterns when reading Sanskrit and during practice of the TM technique suggests that the state gained during TM practice may be integrated with active mental processes by reading Sanskrit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Never thought I would see this.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > _End of an Affair_ > (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/ AR2006083101460_pf.html) > Heh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" wrote: > > > > I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when > > he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in > > the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not > > doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of > > the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was > > not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that > > used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable > > to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. > > Ingegerd > > > > When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during > meditation he > felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, "Zen Buddhist". A > voice spoke to > him telepathically and said, "What right do you have to transcend?" Then it > continued: > "This is how I transcend." > > At that moment, according to my friend, "the bottom fell out" and he plunged > into the > deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the > experience to > be negative. And the moral is: people in the mid-70's had some very strange unstressing episodes... BTW, in Zen, it is considered a Very Rare Thing to transcend. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > wrote: > > > > > > I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years > > > ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something > > > is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate > > > with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb > > > our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have > > > non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and > > > never meditate in the same room as others that used other > > > meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable > > > to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me > > that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next > > to him. The thought came, "Zen Buddhist". A voice spoke to > > him telepathically and said, "What right do you have to > > transcend?" Then it continued: "This is how I transcend." > > > > At that moment, according to my friend, "the bottom fell > > out" and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had > > ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the > > experience to be negative. > > Although this story sounds somewhat hyped up and > fictionalized, that *IS* what it's like to meditate > with someone who can go into samadhi for long periods > of time. The bottom really does "fall out," in the > sense that as long as that person stays in thought- > less samadhi, *you* stay in thoughtless samadhi. > Forget the "maximum of several seconds" stuff that > Sparaig talks about from the experiments; we're > talking twenty minutes to an hour easy, sometimes > longer. > > When you think about it, this may be one reason that > the TMO doesn't want its people meditating with those > from other traditions who can transcend for long > periods of time. As long as they don't know it's > possible, they don't know what they're missing. > Pats head. Of course, Unc. There's a good boy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It was fun to read Swami Shyamendra's version of the 100 Rudras that > you found. Thanks for that. Below is an excerpt from the same > story from Swami Venkatesananda's Yoga Vasishta published by the > SUNY Press. A much more elegant telling, and a lot more Moebius strip-like. For some reason, as I was reading it, I was seeing it unfold in my mind's eye (I don't usually visualize what I'm reading), and it occurred to me what a fabulous film could be made of it by someone with creative imagination and skill with special effects/CGI. > The story continues for another 9-10 pages and is one of my > favorites in the whole Yoga Vasishta. The Yoga Vasishta is just a > wonderful book and incomparable. I highly recommend it. I'm sold! Many thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at jyouells@ wrote: > > >> > > > >>> >> Great idea and great post. I¹ve often felt that one possible > > >> > scenario after > > >>> >> MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail > and MUM will > > >>> >> become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably. > > >>> >> > > >> > Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund? > > > > > I don¹t know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante > or Mark > > Meredith. > > > > > >> >Or has everything been > > >> > funnled into pundits, rajas etc? > > > > > Lot¹s has been secretly siphoned off by ³International² over the > years, for > > undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning > of the > > university. > > > That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money > they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff? > > > JohnY > gasp, you mean that massive amount mentioned earlier: income $23.4 million, expenses, $23.3 million...? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/1/06 11:15 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > >> > That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money > >> > they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff? > > > Who can say for sure? But the Shrivastavas are rumored to be living pretty > well. > $100,000 per year goes a long way in India. Yes, I know, you believe that they're siphoning money for their own use from all possible sources world-wide, and perhaps they are. But it takes a while to get a million dollar income if you can only siphon $100k at a time... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > The *same* people who will claim that he was the > > hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his > > theories were perfect and correct in every instance > > are going to start claiming that they're in > > communication with his individual spirit now > > that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories > > would have to be incorrect for this to happen is > > never going to occur to them... > > Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who > deal in contradictions and have different answers > to life's questions, depending on the state of > attention or POV that is in operation at the time. > > > Bringing out the Mysticism of Star Trek" (tm), Odo was one with the collective consciousness (Source?) of his people, yet could manifest a physical form to chat with Kyra. Come to think of it, Shiva's done that how many times? Dare I mention Q? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'If Bush Was Assasinated by Mark Almond- Oriel College, Oxford'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There would be block parties all over the US. > > Robert Gimbel wrote: > > >What if Bush really was assassinated?by MARK ALMOND Last updated at 13:30pm on 1st September 2006) > > Bush is shot by a sniper in a scene from Death of a President. HeadlinesHeld up by a Secret Service bodyguard in his dying moments after being shot in the stomach, this is President Bush being assassinated. > > Another perfect example of how any action can be rationalized. I'm sure the Shrivasta's are on the lookout for like minded folks. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 9/1/06 11:15 AM, jyouells2000 at jyouells@ wrote: > > >> > > > >> > That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money > > >> > they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff? > > > > > Who can say for sure? But the Shrivastavas are rumored to be living pretty > > well. > > > > $100,000 per year goes a long way in India. > > Yes, I know, you believe that they're siphoning money for their own use from all possible > sources world-wide, and perhaps they are. But it takes a while to get a million dollar income > if you can only siphon $100k at a time... > Who says it's only $100K at a time. It depends on the size and number of the suitcases :-> Or how the money is moved between banks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes Barry2, in this context that must be what he meant and I have > ammended the translation to reflect this view: > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > Paul Mason wrote: > > > > >Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few > > >words about when and how to meditate. > > >Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 > > > > > >"At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but > at > > >night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of > japa > > >of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa > muurti' That reminded me of YS I 39: yathaabhimata-dhyaanaad vaa (yathaa+abhimata: as desired) IMO, many translators seem to think that "as desired" refers to the method or style or whatever, of meditation. But according to Bhojadeva's comment on that suutra "yathaabhimata" refers to the object of meditation, whether "outer" or "inner": yathaabhimatavastuni baahye candraadaavaabhyantare naaDiicakraadau vaa bhaavyamaane cetaH sthiriibhavati A desperate attemp at translation: By dwelling (??bhaavyamaane) on an "as-desired-object" (yathaabhimata- vastuni) [whether] outer (baahye) [like] Moon, etc (candraadau) or (vaa) inner (aabhyantare) [like] naaDiis or cakras, etc (naaDii- cakraadau) mind (cetaH) becomes firm [steady?] (sthiriibhavati). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Iowa: not as bad as bordering South Dakota
"In examining behavior in 340 regions of the country, the survey found that 7 of the top 10 areas for under-age binge drinking defined as five or more drinks at a time were in Wyoming, Montana and North and South Dakota. At the other end of the scale, some of the lowest areas for under-age binge drinking were in the nation's most densely packed cities parts of Washington, D.C., Detroit and Los Angeles. An earlier federal study found that rural youths ages 12 and 13 were twice as likely as urban youths to abuse alcohol. With methamphetamine ravaging small towns, Wyoming and other rural states have also been fighting a persistent drug problem." http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/02/us/02binge.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that > > > without exception, the TMers I've met who believe > > > that they can perceive or be in communication with > > > something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness > > > *also* believe, when you ask them about it, in > > > Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight- > > > ened being when they die. > > > > > > You remember that dogma, right? It's "the drop > > > returns to the ocean" rap, in which individuality > > > is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, > > > toast, never to appear again. > > > > I don't recall hearing Maharishi ever talk about after death > > experience, so I am not familiar with that rap of his. > > > > In any case my personal belief is that the two states, live here, or > > live there (aka death) are pretty much the same- Same Stuff; > > Different Existence (to parapharase a popular expression...). It > > doesn't make any sense to me that what we call death should be > > strange and different. I mean, isn't life here strange and different > > enough?? > > > > Considering what you have said above about what Maharishi said about > > the death of enlightened beings, I think it is better for us to gain > > enlightenment ourselves and then better determine what the > > experience is, regardless of what Maharishi has said on the subject, > > or what we think he has said on the subject. > > > > So, in conclusion, I have not heard Maharishi say anything that > > contradicts my direct experience of Brahmananda Saraswati. > > I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look > forward to what is inevitably going to happen after > Maharishi himself dies. > > The *same* people who will claim that he was the > hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his > theories were perfect and correct in every instance > are going to start claiming that they're in > communication with his individual spirit now > that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories > would have to be incorrect for this to happen is > never going to occur to them... > One of his theories that are incorrect that we don't have to wait until he dies in order to debunk is his claim that the CIA infiltrated the TMO. I'm still waiting for proof. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look > > forward to what is inevitably going to happen after > > Maharishi himself dies. > > > > The *same* people who will claim that he was the > > hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his > > theories were perfect and correct in every instance > > are going to start claiming that they're in > > communication with his individual spirit now > > that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories > > would have to be incorrect for this to happen is > > never going to occur to them... > > One of his theories that are incorrect that we don't have to wait > until he dies in order to debunk is his claim that the CIA > infiltrated the TMO. > > I'm still waiting for proof. Your desire for "proof" shows the weakness of your faith, Shemp. If you were a "real" student, you would accept whatever your teacher said as the absolute word of God. No dome badge for you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: >> Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who > deal in contradictions and have different answers > to life's questions, depending on the state of > attention or POV that is in operation at the time. > > > cunt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/