[FairfieldLife] P*rsian guy in BB!
One of this year's contestants in Finnish Big Brother is Farbod from Irran. http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/bb/julkinen/279oi+big-brother-farbod.html He's been living in Finland for 8 years now. He told the other participants that he can't drink or smoke because of his religion. He's rather silent, but otherwise quite a funny feller. I was rather surprised when he told that visiting a ho*ker led him to not having an er*ction for a week, because to his surprise there was already another guy with a s*hlong of some 27 cm (10.629 inches), having a bl*w-job from the ho*ker that had huge sillycon bo*bies. Well, perhaps there ain't actually no reason to be surprised. He also quite often uses words like 'vittu' (= cvnt; means 'fvck!')...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
I've always been a skinny 170 lbs. until around four months ago, I started binging for some reason and gained over 30 pounds breaking 200 which was a lot for me. At around 200 lbs., I always felt bloated, dull, tired, had to nap all the time, no energy, depressed, couldn't move or walk properly, my heart started back firing and I generally felt like sh-t. Then I came across a picture of a friend of mine who has always been the picture of perfect health, looking not a day over 35 at the age of 56. He had such a powerful influence on me as a kid, being the perfect all around athlete, that at that moment of seeing his picture, something clicked in my brain and I lost all desire to binge. So, I went back to two small balanced meals a day, nothing in between, lots of liquids, but most important, I started listening to my stomach that clearly now says, ENOUGH and if that means that I'm not hungry at the second meal in the evening, then I don't eat, but do keep the liquids going. I can tell that I'm starting to loose weight but most important, I've gained back the energy and general feeling of well being that I had before gaining the weight. There's no question that fat contributes nothing but needs everything for it's maintenance. Unlike muscle which contributes so much for the bodies functioning, fat on the other hand requires fat nutrients and gives back nothing, burdening the body, leading to disease. Fat is constantly sending 'fat' messages to the brain, feed me more fat. Muscle sends messages to the brain, feed me more protein. So by exercising, the muscle mass increases, and therefore the messages start changing in the brain from feed me more fat to feed me more protein. The body will figure out what it needs if a person focuses on exercise as well as the diet. One of the main problems with the TMO are the sedentary routines. Combine that with the diets rich in fat and carbs and that spells F-A-T. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 10/4/07 11:12:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad it worked out for you, and your health has greatly improved. I guess as a last resort Bevan could go under the knife, but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day... He can't do it. Otherwise he would have by now. It requires too much discipline and a struggle with a lot of *inner demons*. ** And outer demons, too. I've met many TM/MUM officials and they're pretty creepy people for the most part, so Bevan is not only representative of that low life, but constrained and surrounded by it in every way, that makes his breaking out of bad habits unlikely until the pundits free up his atmosphere by creating a more evolution- and-happiness- friendly environment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pushing Pushing Daisies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice color enhancement. Are you responsible for that too? Its a new box called the Luster. The DP, Michael Weaver locked ourselves in a bay for 18 hours played around. We were adding shadows on walls, changing the specific colors, and hiding face blemishes. Its amazing. I think they used it on 300. Neat. Stu, as a lifelong movie freak, but one who has no real understanding of the magic that goes into films from the developers' point of view, I was wondering if you could rap a bit about what you consider good editing. What's an example that really stands out for you -- in classic films (or TV) or in more modern ones? I understand the *effect* of good editing -- being able to preserve or create the pace of a scene or a film, adding value to the work that the actors and the cinematographers put into it, but it would be fun to hear about that process from an insider's point of view. If you feel like it and have the time, of course. One of my favorites in terms of editing was Don Juan de Marco, the way he created transitions from one scene (and, given the plot, one reality) to another. For example, Marlon Brando would be sitting at the dinner table while his wife is talking about the events of the day, but the soundtrack music is still the music from old Mexico, where his mind obviously still is after his first session with Don Juan. Then she notices that he's not paying attention and asks him directly, Where *are* you? and the music just stops, in mid-note. Very effective. And these days editing involves so much more than just simple cutting, like all the post- production work on Amelie. At the time, I think that film contained more post-processed and manipulated (in terms of color, removing things digitally, adding others digitally, etc.) than any other film. But in the audience, the first time you see it, you really don't notice all the enhancements...you just notice that the film *works* for you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: P.S. to Turq, I think you're a predator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: others extol the fun of one-night-stands Who was doing this? Exactly. I can't speak about others, but I have written about such an event (and, to tell the truth, experienced one) only once on this forum, and that was long before Bronte ever arrived. People project what they want to see onto what they see. And what they want to see becomes a kind of reality for them. And that's fine in one sense, because that's the nature of percep- tion itself, but IMO one shouldn't confuse what one projects onto, say, a work of art with what the artist intended. My favorite example of this is Dylan. There are any number of people who have developed compli- cated, extensive theories of the symbolism of his songs. And yet from his side, Dylan insists that he has never once in his life utilitzed symbolism. He use *imagery*. He just paints odd, abstract word art, and allows people to project onto it whatever they want. Remember the scene with Steve Martin looking at the painting in the museum in L.A. Story? The camera is pointed at him and the people with him as he describes what he sees in the painting: I like the relationships. I mean, each character has his own story. The puppy is a bit too much, but you have to overlook things like that in these kinds of paintings. The way he's *holding* her...it's almost...filthy. I mean, he's about to kiss her and she's pulling away. The way the leg's sort of smashed up against her...Phew... Look how he's painted the blouse sort of translucent. You can just make out her breasts underneath and it's sort of touching him about here. It's really...pretty torrid, don't you think? Then of course you have the onlookers peeking at them from behind the doorway like they're all shocked. They wish. Yeah, I must admit, when I see a painting like this, I get emotionally...erect. The camera angle shifts and we see that he has been describing a painting of a red rectangle. 'Nuff said...
[FairfieldLife] The Outlaw Path To Enlightenment
Last night I rapped for a little while about outlaws and why I like them, and the flack they sometimes get from others for living by no rules but their own. But there is another reason why I love outlaws. For me they are the perfect metaphor for the pathway to enlightenment. In my considered opinion, *most* of the men and women in human history who have realized their enlightenment have done so by being outlaws. At some point in their lives they decided to stop following the advice or the laws of others, and follow only their own. You need look no further than the Buddha for an example. Yeah, he studied with a few teachers during his early days. But he rejected them all, and in the end wound up studying only with the Self. And that was all that was needed to realize the Self. That is essentially his message, and in my opinion it is still true, all these centuries later. Many in the spiritual community are *offended* by the idea of DIY (Do It Yourself). They come up with all sorts of intellectual arguments for how it isn't possible for a self to realize Self all by itself. They repeat the stuff they've been told (and, more often than not, *sold*) by teachers who told them that they *needed* a teacher to realize who they are. They go on and on like Ron does about how a guru is essential, and how doing exactly what he or she says is essential to become enlightened. Well, to echo Cuba Gooding, Jr. in Jerry Maguire, Show me the enlightenment! We were all told for years or decades within the TM move- to Just Follow Instructions. Do what we tell you to do and you'll become enlightened. Yeah, right. We all know how many people in the TM movement *that* worked for. And then I look at other spiritual traditions and what I see is that the guys and gals who get written about *as* enlightened beings are the ones who *didn't* follow instructions, who *didn't* do exactly what they were told to do. For the most part, the people whom history records as the enlightened were outlaws. For a while they tried doing things Somebody Else's Way, but in the end the thing that enabled them to realize their enlight- enment was finding Their Own Way. I could go on and on and on, listing the enlightened of the past whose life stories suggest that they were outlaws. It's pretty easy to do; there are far more of them than there are stories about people who realized enlightenment by doing what they were told. But instead, since I know that this is going to push some buttons, I'll ask those who still believe that one *can* become realized by doing what you're told to do (or that that's the *only* way you can realize enlight- enment) to provide some examples of this. Show me the enlightenment! Trot out some examples of someone follow- ing Someone Else's Path and getting enlightened by doing what he or she was told to do. We've certainly seen Ron trying to do this here, and I think we've all seen how believable his claims that all these people are poppin' into enlightenment are. I would suspect that there is not one person here who believes it. But *Ron* believes it, and obviously believes firmly that if he does everything he is told to do, for long enough, that enlightenment will be the result. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I'm not convinced. I think there is great value in the moment in which one *rejects* doing what one has been told, and does Something Else instead. That moment often is referred to by the enlightened as the pivotal moment in their lives in which the seed of realization was planted. It may not have actually been *doing* the Something Else that caused realization, but just making that decision to no longer be reliant on Someone Else's Path in almost every case revealed their *own* path to them. And that path led them home.
[FairfieldLife] Re: P.S. to Turq, I think you're a predator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Another thought on all this. Edg sings the joys of being really intimate with one person while others extol the fun of one-night- stands. Maybe what's right for one isn't what right's for another person -- different needs from relationships, sex, etc. I've done both, and I wouldn't have missed any of 'em. In my experience, they're fulfilling in different ways, at different times. It may be that one *or* the other is exclusively right for some people, but I have the sneaking suspicion that for many who hew to one and eschew the other, they've limited themselves unnecessarily.
[FairfieldLife] Re: P.S. to Turq, I think you're a predator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: others extol the fun of one-night-stands Who was doing this? Exactly. I can't speak about others, but I have written about such an event (and, to tell the truth, experienced one) only once on this forum, and that was long before Bronte ever arrived. Correction. I discovered that I recently wrote a *reminiscence* of the magic of one-night stands back in the 70s and 80s when I lived in Malibu. Great times...before AIDS and before the resurgence of guilt and fear as lifestyle. And yes, those days and those one night stands were fun. Are they still? I really couldn't tell you, because I'm so slow and plodding when it comes to romance that by the time I've gotten around to having sex with someone, it's really not worth it to waste all that prep time on just one night. :-) Will the love affair, when I finally get around to it, last forever and be true love? Don't know and don't care. I'm not *looking* for forever and true love. I don't need them in my life to feel fulfilled. If they happen, that's way cool. If they don't, I have more than enough happiness going on already to not miss them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: P.S. to Turq, I think you're a predator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: others extol the fun of one-night-stands Who was doing this? If nobody else was, I will. Not as the *only* rewarding relationship modality, by any means, but something very much worth doing in the right circumstances. And over time, in my experience, short-term and long-term relationships (not at the *same* time!) tend to enhance each other.
[FairfieldLife] This is what men do in bars to women
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=71741 The above is exactly the issue of suckering others by a con-job. These valiant soldiers have been screwed. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, are you a predator? (Re: Turq, I think you're a predator)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you rail about George Bush invading a country, why is it allowed for Turq to walk into a bar and use all his powers just because he can? It is allowed, yes, because it would be so hard to police, but where is Turq's moral authority -- who can look in a mirror and say with a clear conscience, Heh heh, I got that stupid short-bus guy to buy this lemon car from my shady used-car dealership. Or, That girl is so stupid, it's like she's permanently drunk, so that'll be my easy-lay for tonight! Edg, stop. Just stop. Barry's said explicitly that he was just enjoying the conversation with this woman, not trying to get into her pants: And yeah, she is 'way cute, and I would be the luckiest guy on earth if I were fortunate enough to be hittin' that. But that really wasn't on my mind. What was on my mind was the rarity of finding a kindred soul on this blue-green ball in black space -- in the most unlikely of locations (a basement Irish bar) and in the most unlikely of bodies. I can tell already that this young girl and her sister and I are going to become really good friends. And I don't develop really good friends that easily. So to those of you who have fallen for all the 'poking the near-dead to see if they've still got a spark of life in them' language I sometimes use on this forum, and have been convinced that I'm just a lowlife scum without morals...well...you're probably right. But I *do* have ethics, and my ethics would never allow me to do *anything* to harm this cute young thing in any way. While it might be really enjoyable to ball the 19- year-old's sweet little buns off -- or even those of her slightly older sister -- that's almost certainly not going to happen. What *might* happen is that we'll have *great* conversations. And if anything I can say in them can help to keep these two as OPEN to life, and as ALIVE as they are now, and not let that aliveness get all worn down and OLD by interfacing with the world, I will be content. I don't trust Barry any further than I could throw him, and *I* believe him when he says that's all he was doing--as nauseatingly juvenile as I find his ostentatious self-congratulation. All your rants against him on this topic have been based on a premise that *you made up*. Either come up with some really solid reasons why we should assume he was lying, or *get the hell off him*. Rant all you want about men's sexual predations on women, but stop personalizing it to Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Outlaw Path To Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That moment often is referred to by the enlightened as the pivotal moment in their lives in which the seed of realization was planted. It may not have actually been *doing* the Something Else that caused realization, but just making that decision to no longer be reliant on Someone Else's Path in almost every case revealed their *own* path to them. And that path led them home. The dynamic occurred for me as you describe it, only I wouldn't call it a decision by me, more of a complete exhaustion, and surrender, that I ever knew what I was doing in the first place, that all the stress and strain of trying was gone, that all and any attempts to align myself with anything at all, be it a belief, or a way of doing things, or a description of enlightenment, all vanished in less than an hour, washed away by a blissful torrent of tears, and here I am, ever since, completely empty. Just me.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, are you a predator? (Re: Turq, I think you're a predator)
I lied. I did read something Edg wrote, because I was curious as to whether he had regained his sanity. It appears that he has not, therefore in the future he goes back on the Don't Bother To Read List until this passing coup de foudre has passed. And I won't address his demands for me to explain and deny his fantasy accusations, for two reasons. One is that they are fantasies. The second, and far more important, is that I owe him or anyone else no explanation or justification for anything I've ever done in my life. None. If you want a cinema reference for why I feel this way, see the fine film The Contender. Joan Allen's character in that film personifies my philosophy. But I do need to address a few things he said, because they slander a place he clearly knows nothing about, and is mistaking for dark places that exist inside his mind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, to me, a 60 year old guy looking to get laid by a 25 year old barmaid in a country -- where it is understood that a woman found out and about without a man nearby is asking to be raped ... ... Curtis, would you suggest that a woman walk alone at night in Spain? Probably not -- why? Cuz men have dicks and can man-handle most women, right?, and in Spain, well, better for women to stay inside their casa-burkas, right? This cannot be allowed to pass. Clearly Edg has not been to Spain in recent decades. Any woman, young or old, can safely walk the streets of Sitges at any time day or night, with almost zero fear of being hassled, much less raped. In my time here I have seen almost *no* examples of the macho or misogynist male mindset he claims is omnipresent here. The lack of it shocks even me. I would characterize the Spain that I live in -- as opposed to the fantasy Spain that Edg sees in his mind -- as far less misogynistic than, say, Australia or Mexico or even parts of the United States. As for a woman being able to safely walk the streets alone without fear of being raped, I would say that Sitges is probably a great deal safer than the town that Edg lives in in the United States, wherever that may be. In gen- eral Europe is a far safer place for women than the United States, and in specific Sitges is far safer than Paris. And I've heard intel- ligent, world-savvy women I know describe Paris as the safest city they've ever experienced. As for women needing to be protected, I'm sorry, but Edg needs to stop going out with those rubber blow-up dolls you get from the porno shops. *They* need to be protected from the world because, like many fantasies, one quick puncture and poof!, they're gone. But real women aren't like that. The women I have met and observed here in Spain are energetic, alive, intelligent, self-possessed, and they don't take no shit off *anybody*, male or female. If someone thinks that they've got to be protected, and that he's just the man to do the protecting, well I wish him luck tilting at his *next* windmill. Spain is not like Edg's fantasy Spain. Women are not like Edg's fantasy women. And I'm not like his fantasies of me, either. May he wake up from this current bad dream soon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Outlaw Path To Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I rapped for a little while about outlaws and why I like them, and the flack they sometimes get from others for living by no rules but their own. But there is another reason why I love outlaws. For me they are the perfect metaphor for the pathway to enlightenment. In my considered opinion, *most* of the men and women in human history who have realized their enlightenment have done so by being outlaws. At some point in their lives they decided to stop following the advice or the laws of others, and follow only their own. You need look no further than the Buddha for an example. Yeah, he studied with a few teachers during his early days. But he rejected them all, and in the end wound up studying only with the Self. And that was all that was needed to realize the Self. That is essentially his message, and in my opinion it is still true, all these centuries later. Many in the spiritual community are *offended* by the idea of DIY (Do It Yourself). They come up with all sorts of intellectual arguments for how it isn't possible for a self to realize Self all by itself. They repeat the stuff they've been told (and, more often than not, *sold*) by teachers who told them that they *needed* a teacher to realize who they are. They go on and on like Ron does about how a guru is essential, and how doing exactly what he or she says is essential to become enlightened. Well, to echo Cuba Gooding, Jr. in Jerry Maguire, Show me the enlightenment! We were all told for years or decades within the TM move- to Just Follow Instructions. Do what we tell you to do and you'll become enlightened. Yeah, right. We all know how many people in the TM movement *that* worked for. And then I look at other spiritual traditions and what I see is that the guys and gals who get written about *as* enlightened beings are the ones who *didn't* follow instructions, who *didn't* do exactly what they were told to do. For the most part, the people whom history records as the enlightened were outlaws. For a while they tried doing things Somebody Else's Way, but in the end the thing that enabled them to realize their enlight- enment was finding Their Own Way. I could go on and on and on, listing the enlightened of the past whose life stories suggest that they were outlaws. It's pretty easy to do; there are far more of them than there are stories about people who realized enlightenment by doing what they were told. But instead, since I know that this is going to push some buttons, I'll ask those who still believe that one *can* become realized by doing what you're told to do (or that that's the *only* way you can realize enlight- enment) to provide some examples of this. Show me the enlightenment! Trot out some examples of someone follow- ing Someone Else's Path and getting enlightened by doing what he or she was told to do. We've certainly seen Ron trying to do this here, and I think we've all seen how believable his claims that all these people are poppin' into enlightenment are. I would suspect that there is not one person here who believes it. But *Ron* believes it, and obviously believes firmly that if he does everything he is told to do, for long enough, that enlightenment will be the result. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I'm not convinced. I think there is great value in the moment in which one *rejects* doing what one has been told, and does Something Else instead. That moment often is referred to by the enlightened as the pivotal moment in their lives in which the seed of realization was planted. It may not have actually been *doing* the Something Else that caused realization, but just making that decision to no longer be reliant on Someone Else's Path in almost every case revealed their *own* path to them. And that path led them home. When sincere seekers are there , the universe offers a choice. Probably when the sincerety is kept up, more choices come along the way and the time frame is eternity so no need to worry. It looks like out of the 6 billion people on the planet, not many follow a Guru, this is their choice, that is what free will is about. Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy's remark on Curtis, are you a predator?
And Edg, if Barry's worst critic says it, you know it's got to be true. You say deal with the issues but you're questioning someone's personal integrity and demanding they defend it, which it's not their job to do here. Barry is avoiding getting triggered and drawn into a fight. He might have debated with you had you not made it personal. While you're not flaming in the literal sense of name-calling, you're questioning his personal moral fiber, which is not far from flaming. If you want to debate your four points, go for it. But to keep sticking Barry in the middle of it is both unfair and counterproductive to your purpose. Your moral ideas are good ones IMO, and debating such matters causes everyone's consciousness to be expanded or raised. You play a part, through such thoughtful posts, in social evolution. It just focuses readers off the concepts and into hurt and bickering when you make the issue of a forum member's integrity the middle of an otherwise well-reasoned argument. - Bronte authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you rail about George Bush invading a country, why is it allowed for Turq to walk into a bar and use all his powers just because he can? It is allowed, yes, because it would be so hard to police, but where is Turq's moral authority -- who can look in a mirror and say with a clear conscience, Heh heh, I got that stupid short-bus guy to buy this lemon car from my shady used-car dealership. Or, That girl is so stupid, it's like she's permanently drunk, so that'll be my easy-lay for tonight! Edg, stop. Just stop. Barry's said explicitly that he was just enjoying the conversation with this woman, not trying to get into her pants: And yeah, she is 'way cute, and I would be the luckiest guy on earth if I were fortunate enough to be hittin' that. But that really wasn't on my mind. What was on my mind was the rarity of finding a kindred soul on this blue-green ball in black space -- in the most unlikely of locations (a basement Irish bar) and in the most unlikely of bodies. I can tell already that this young girl and her sister and I are going to become really good friends. And I don't develop really good friends that easily. So to those of you who have fallen for all the 'poking the near-dead to see if they've still got a spark of life in them' language I sometimes use on this forum, and have been convinced that I'm just a lowlife scum without morals...well...you're probably right. But I *do* have ethics, and my ethics would never allow me to do *anything* to harm this cute young thing in any way. While it might be really enjoyable to ball the 19- year-old's sweet little buns off -- or even those of her slightly older sister -- that's almost certainly not going to happen. What *might* happen is that we'll have *great* conversations. And if anything I can say in them can help to keep these two as OPEN to life, and as ALIVE as they are now, and not let that aliveness get all worn down and OLD by interfacing with the world, I will be content. I don't trust Barry any further than I could throw him, and *I* believe him when he says that's all he was doing--as nauseatingly juvenile as I find his ostentatious self-congratulation. All your rants against him on this topic have been based on a premise that *you made up*. Either come up with some really solid reasons why we should assume he was lying, or *get the hell off him*. Rant all you want about men's sexual predations on women, but stop personalizing it to Barry. - Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Outlaw Path To Enlightenment
Ron wrote: When sincere seekers are there , the universe offers a choice. Probably when the sincerety is kept up, more choices come along the way and the time frame is eternity so no need to worry. It looks like out of the 6 billion people on the planet, not many follow a Guru, this is their choice, that is what free will is about. - Hridaya Bronte writes: Ron, this is the part of you I like. There is a sweet person underneath all that need to proseletyze and the apparent judgmentalness. - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Curtis, are you a predator? (Re: Turq, I think you're a predator)
On Oct 6, 2007, at 11:10 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: It is not about women; it is about more endowed persons taking advantage of lesser endowed persons. Dude are you serious? Then you missed my point completely. Perhaps Sal can fill you in on how wack this is. I tried. I'd be glad to try, Curtis, if I had any idea what his point was at this juncture. (Interesting choice of words, BTW, on Edg's part above.) This latest series of monologues seems to have been triggered by something Barry said a while back, calling Edg old, which Edge has been reacting rather strongly to ever since, to put it really mildly. While most seem to have learned to brush off internet remarks that we feel are misrepresentative, Edg takes much of it very personally, and this is the unfortunate result. Edg, whatever is really bothering you, this isn't the forum to take it out on. All this is doing is making you come across as someone so obsessive as to be almost scary. I would say it's high time to get a grip and deal with the real issues, whatever they are. JM2C. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, are you a predator? (Re: Turq, I think you're a predator)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 2007, at 11:10 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: It is not about women; it is about more endowed persons taking advantage of lesser endowed persons. Dude are you serious? Then you missed my point completely. Perhaps Sal can fill you in on how wack this is. I tried. I'd be glad to try, Curtis, if I had any idea what his point was at this juncture. (Interesting choice of words, BTW, on Edg's part above.) This latest series of monologues seems to have been triggered by something Barry said a while back, calling Edg old, which Edge has been reacting rather strongly to ever since, to put it really mildly. While most seem to have learned to brush off internet remarks that we feel are misrepresentative, Edg takes much of it very personally, and this is the unfortunate result. Edg, whatever is really bothering you, this isn't the forum to take it out on. All this is doing is making you come across as someone so obsessive as to be almost scary. I would say it's high time to get a grip and deal with the real issues, whatever they are. JM2C. Sal Might I suggest to get a checking ? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Not A Pretty Girl
All this talk about women and the need to protect them got me remembering the best song I've ever heard on the subject. It's by Ani DiFranco, and in the world of women's music it's considered nigh unto an anthem. I think you can listen to the whole song here (but I'm not sure because it won't play for me from outside the US): http://www.rhapsody.com/anidifranco/notaprettygirl Here are the lyrics: I am not a pretty girl that is not what I do I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued so put me down punk maybe you'd prefer a maiden fair isn't there a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere I am not an angry girl but it seems like I've got everyone fooled every time I say something they find hard to hear they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear and imagine you're a girl just trying to finally come clean knowing full well they'd prefer you were dirty and smiling And I am sorry I am not a maiden fair and I am not a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere And generally my generation wouldn't be caught dead working for the man and generally I agree with them trouble is you gotta have yourself an alternate plan and I have earned my disillusionment I have been working all of my life and I am a patriot I have been fighting the good fight And what if there are no damsels in distress what if I knew that and I called your bluff? don't you think every kitten figures out how to get down whether or not you ever show up?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not A Pretty Girl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this talk about women and the need to protect them got me remembering the best song I've ever heard on the subject. It's by Ani DiFranco, and in the world of women's music it's considered nigh unto an anthem. I think you can listen to the whole song here (but I'm not sure because it won't play for me from outside the US): http://www.rhapsody.com/anidifranco/notaprettygirl Worried that the above link wouldn't work, I searched YouTube and found to my dismay that there weren't any videos of Ani doing this song. Or at least I couldn't find any. I *did* find a number of very interesting covers of this song by women all over the world who were moved enough by it to do their own version. If you don't know Ani, and would like a taste, try 32 Flavors, another of her songs that says a great deal IMO about how a strong woman sees being a strong woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsP2TheK0iQ This video is the incarnation of everything I've been talking about re the magic of young women. This is my idea of an interesting woman. Others, also on YouTube, include: Joni Mitchell, For Free: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQM1JkiQgoc Norah Jones, She (Gram Parsons cover): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37W0W9M6IjQ Tori Amos, Smells Like Teen Spirit (Nirvana Cover): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcHNZVrxEts These are the kinds of women I'm using as a 'measuring rod' for comparison when I refer to one of the women I've had a conversation with as interesting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not A Pretty Girl
Good one. I have not listened to her in some time. Perhaps time to again. I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued seems to well sum up a prevailing mind-set of some. On a tangental topic, her line and I am a patriot I have been fighting the good fight struck me. As quite an interesting take on patriot. I am sick of jingoists hyjacking the term. I grew up on the Sons of Liberty theme, Johnny Trumain, and all. Beyond childhood heros, I know patriotism is a much deeper than the shallow way it is used by some today as a shiny (as in hollow) badge of honor. I think back to the war resisters of many wars. As an example, to me, they are generally far more patriotic than those haughtingly and dismissively wearing an american flags on their lapels. War resisters, or anyone passionately furthering a cause -- fighting for a cause they are committed to, to make the their country, but more important, to make the world a better place. Perhaps a better, newer word needs to be struck for patriots of the world and humandkind. But deFranco gets at that: and I am a patriot I have been fighting the good fight She is not talking about country, but about causes. America in 1775 was a cause. Today, in ways its a sad characture of itself. Like Denny Crane -- for Boston Legal fans (as endearing as Denny is in his crusty way). patri -- must be the same root at partiarch. Fight for he FatherLand. How about fight for the Humanland? Or the Natureland -- not to discriminate and ignore our animal brothers and sisters. A Natriot? A Lifriot? A Oneriot? A Lovriot? Sounds like Love Riot. (not to be confused with a Love Orgy I suppose.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this talk about women and the need to protect them got me remembering the best song I've ever heard on the subject. It's by Ani DiFranco, and in the world of women's music it's considered nigh unto an anthem. I think you can listen to the whole song here (but I'm not sure because it won't play for me from outside the US): http://www.rhapsody.com/anidifranco/notaprettygirl Here are the lyrics: I am not a pretty girl that is not what I do I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued so put me down punk maybe you'd prefer a maiden fair isn't there a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere I am not an angry girl but it seems like I've got everyone fooled every time I say something they find hard to hear they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear and imagine you're a girl just trying to finally come clean knowing full well they'd prefer you were dirty and smiling And I am sorry I am not a maiden fair and I am not a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere And generally my generation wouldn't be caught dead working for the man and generally I agree with them trouble is you gotta have yourself an alternate plan and I have earned my disillusionment I have been working all of my life and I am a patriot I have been fighting the good fight And what if there are no damsels in distress what if I knew that and I called your bluff? don't you think every kitten figures out how to get down whether or not you ever show up?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Curtis, are you a predator? (Re: Turq, I think you're a predator)
Nabloss: Might I suggest to get a checking ? ;-) Bronte: Your mantra, applied quite humorously here. Nabby, you crack me up. nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 2007, at 11:10 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: It is not about women; it is about more endowed persons taking advantage of lesser endowed persons. Dude are you serious? Then you missed my point completely. Perhaps Sal can fill you in on how wack this is. I tried. I'd be glad to try, Curtis, if I had any idea what his point was at this juncture. (Interesting choice of words, BTW, on Edg's part above.) This latest series of monologues seems to have been triggered by something Barry said a while back, calling Edg old, which Edge has been reacting rather strongly to ever since, to put it really mildly. While most seem to have learned to brush off internet remarks that we feel are misrepresentative, Edg takes much of it very personally, and this is the unfortunate result. Edg, whatever is really bothering you, this isn't the forum to take it out on. All this is doing is making you come across as someone so obsessive as to be almost scary. I would say it's high time to get a grip and deal with the real issues, whatever they are. JM2C. Sal Might I suggest to get a checking ? ;-) - Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not A Pretty Girl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Joni Mitchell, For Free: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQM1JkiQgoc This video was Joni in her youth. I've been traveling and working so much that I haven't had a chance to pick up her new album (the first in ten years), but I hope to soon. Here is the promo for it, and for two other of her projects this year. I ran into Joni Mitchell a couple of times. Once is written up in one of the stories in Road Trip Mind. The other was at a gathering with Yaqui medicine man Grandfather Cachora. The smoking and all of her numerous chronic ailments (she had childhood polio, and that has repercussions later in life) have left their share of wear and tear on her body and her face and her aura, but she's still one interesting woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGa4spIe1-E
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Outlaw Path To Enlightenment
(snip) That moment often is referred to by the enlightened as the pivotal moment in their lives in which the seed of realization was planted. It may not have actually been *doing* the Something Else that caused realization, but just making that decision to no longer be reliant on Someone Else's Path in almost every case revealed their *own* path to them. And that path led them home. This is good stuff- It is true you eventually have to 'find' it for yourself- basically this is the philosophy of the 12-step programs- that you need to find: 'Your own 'Higher Power'. Jesus claimed the same: Search within... Maharishi teaches the same: It's all within... Then there's the idea of 'old soul, young soul'... Some people aren't the least bit interested in any of this stuff of enlightenment, as they are caught up in the more material side of things: survival, position, possessions, not much time left for anything spiritual. Then there's the one's that need to just follow one of the various dogmas, of one the religions... Only problem is: all of the religions are generally based in a figure- head who was enlightened, but as was said, you can't get there, by just being a 'Parrot'...quack, quack... Then there's the 'Jacobs Ladder Principle'... Have you ever noticed when you are speaking to someone, About some ecsorteric stuff, that they just sort of 'blank out', And didn't hear a word you said; have you ever noticed that for yourself, at times: someone will have told you something, and you completely blank out on what was said. Sometimes your not ready to hear what is being said. You can't skip steps in the Soul's evolution, it comes in steps, lessons, trials and tribulations, pain, and joy. It's great to find a teacher, a guru, to hang with, and learn from. Especially if one has the good fortune to meet an enlightened one. Being around someone who is enlightened is contagious, as they are vibrating the vibration of one who is beyond the ego- very rare. It's called Darshan in India, and to be in the darshan of a high being, is an honor and a blessing. But eventually, if you are to become enlightened yourself, You have to take the final leap, yourself. And if you have a good guru, he or she will push you, when you are ready.
[FairfieldLife] Joni Mitchell, my idol
Turq: I ran into Joni Mitchell a couple of times. Once is written up in one of the stories in Road Trip Mind. The other was at a gathering with Yaqui medicine man Grandfather Cachora. Bronte: Joni MItchell was an icon of my youth. My idol. I memorized 90 percent of her song lyrics. I've only seen her in concert but she has always fascinated me. Is Road Trip Mind a book you wrote? I'd love it if you shared your experiences with her on the two occasions you met her, and your impressions of her. She came across in her songs as a lady of all heart yet great strength. She was the writer of Both Sides Now which Judy Collins made famous. Mitchell's words are sheer poetry. Here are some of my favorite lines from her lyrics, that I still remember by heart: From Chelsea Morning: Woke up, it was a Chelsea morning, and the first thing that I heard Was a song outside my window, and the traffic wrote the words. It came ringing up like Christmas bells and rapping up like pipes and drums! Won't you stay, we'll put on the day and we'll wear it til the night comes. Woke up, it was Chelsea morning, and the first thing that I saw Was the sun through yellow curtains, and a rainbow on my wall. Blue red green and gold to welcome you, crimson-crystal beads to beckon! Won't you stay, we'll put on the day -- there's a sun show every second. Woke up, it was a Chelsea morning, and the first thing that I knew There was milk and toast and honey, and a bowl of oranges, too. And the sun poured in like butterscotch and stuck to all my senses! Won't you stay, we'll put on the day, and we'll talk in present tenses. Or how about her song Michael: Michael wakes you up with sweets. He takes you up streets, and the rain comes down. Sidewalk markets locked up tight, and umbrellas bright on a grey background. There's oil in the puddles in taffeta patterns that run down the drain In colored arrangements that Michael will change with a stick that he found. Michael takes you to a park. He sings, and it's dark, and the clouds come by. Yellow slickers up on swings like puppets on strings hanging in the sky. They'll splash home to suppers in wallpapered kitchens. Their mothers will scold. But Michael will hold you to keep away cold til the sidewalks are dry. Michael leads you up a stair. He needs you to care, and you know you do. Cats come crying to the key, and dry you will be, in a towl or two. There's rain in the window, there's sun in the painting that smiles on the wall. You want to know all, but his mountains have called, so you never do. Michael from mountains, go where you will go to. Know that I will know you. Someday I may know you very well. Okay, I'm getting carried away, but anyone who's read this far you may like to read more, so I'll type a couple more. How's this for an image conveying a world of meaning: Just before our love got lost, you said, I am as constant as a Northern Star, And I said, Constantly in the darkness. Where's that at? If you want me, I'll be in the bar. On the back of a cartoon coaster, in the blue TV-screen light I drew a map of Canada, with your face sketched on it twice. You're in my blood, you're my holy wine. You taste so bitter, and so sweet. Oh, I could drink a case of you, darlin', And still be on my feet. You know, I'd still be on my feet. Then there's this gem about a priest: The priest sat in the airport bar, He was wearing his father's tie. And his eyes looked into my eyes so far Whenever the words ran dry. Past the lash and the circle blue -- He looked as only a priest can: through. And his eyes said me, And his eyes said you. And my eyes said, let us try. He said, You wouldn't like it here, no it's no place you could share. The roof is ripped with hurricanes and the room is always bare. He said, I need the wind and I seek the cold. He reached past the wine for my hand hold. And he saw me young, And he saw me old. And he saw me sitting there. Well, now the trials are trumpet-scored, oh will we pass the test? Or just as one loves more and more, will one love less and less? Oh, come let's run from this ring we're in Where the Christians clap and the Germans grin -- Crying let them lose, crying let them win. Oh, make them both confess. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Joni Mitchell, For Free: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQM1JkiQgoc This video was Joni in her youth. I've been traveling and working so much that I haven't had a chance to pick up her new album (the first in ten years), but I hope to soon. Here is the promo for it, and for two other of her projects this year. I ran into Joni Mitchell a couple of times. Once is written up in one of the stories in Road Trip Mind. The other
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Outlaw Path To Enlightenment
snip But eventually, if you are to become enlightened yourself, You have to take the final leap, yourself. And if you have a good guru, he or she will push you, when you are ready. Well, nobody pushed Siddhartha. He broke with the gurus and found the flaw in what they were teaching. For that the world turned him into the Buddha and started a whole new dogmology based on him. Typical of the follower-type mind. - Bronte - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
[FairfieldLife] Re: P*rsian guy in BB!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of this year's contestants in Finnish Big Brother is Farbod from Irran. http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/bb/julkinen/279oi+big-brother-farbod.html He's been living in Finland for 8 years now. He told the other participants that he can't drink or smoke because of his religion. He's rather silent, but otherwise quite a funny feller. I was rather surprised when he told that visiting a ho*ker led him to not having an er*ction for a week, because to his surprise there was already another guy with a s*hlong of some 27 cm (10.629 inches), having a bl*w-job from the ho*ker that had huge sillycon bo*bies. Well, perhaps there ain't actually no reason to be surprised. He also quite often uses words like 'vittu' (= cvnt; means 'fvck!')... Well, thank goodness that he's not one of those non-existent Iranian gays: http://hamjens.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joni Mitchell, my idol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq: I ran into Joni Mitchell a couple of times. Once is written up in one of the stories in Road Trip Mind. The other was at a gathering with Yaqui medicine man Grandfather Cachora. Bronte: Joni MItchell was an icon of my youth. My idol. I memorized 90 percent of her song lyrics. I've only seen her in concert but she has always fascinated me. Is Road Trip Mind a book you wrote? I'd love it if you shared your experiences with her on the two occasions you met her, and your impressions of her. She came across in her songs as a lady of all heart yet great strength. It's easier to see the strength these days. She tends to keep her heart a little more hidden. In the video I posted about Shine, you really see it only in the last interview segment, about being irrational. Triple Scorpio. Very intense. The RTM story is at: http://ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm26.html The evening with Cachora also got written up into a story, but it isn't on the Net. You no doubt know her song Don Juan's Reckless Daughter? Suffice it to say Joni had an affinity for Castaneda and his vision of Yaqui spirituality. So she was curious and outspoken when talking with one of the brujos that Castaneda had actually studied with. It was interesting to see that even though she clearly considered him knowledgeable, she never took any- thing he said as gospel; she was always ready to challenge any statement that didn't seem right to her. Interesting woman.
[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris on athiesm and mysticism
http://www.tinyurl.com/2q9oem But certain people, for whatever reason, are led to suspect that there is more to human experience than this. In fact, many of them are led to suspect this by religionby the claims of people like the Buddha or Jesus or some other celebrated religious figures. And such a person may begin to practice various disciplines of attentionoften called meditation or contemplationas a means of examining his moment to moment experience closely enough to see if a deeper basis of well-being is there to be found.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Not A Pretty Girl
Good song. But kittens don't always figure out how to get down. Some of them do starve in the tops of trees. Damsels sometimes are in distress, and heros sometimes rescue them. Remember Pretty Woman? Great story. She and he rescued each other. As a woman who's been on my own a long time in the world, I relate to both sides of the equation. I can be one tough broad when I need to be. I kick ass. I'm the union steward, the defender of the underdog. I get my way. People don't mess with me. But there's another side, a vulnerable side, that doesn't often get to be expressed. Only when something tender is in the environment, making the atmosphere soft and safe, does that tender side come out. Edg is the kind of man who brings out that side in women. He once said to someone who wanted me off the forum, What if Bronte is the butterfly that will light on the idea-flowers of your mind? What a touching image, and one I don't deserve or live up to, but that Edg could think of a woman as potentially being like that touched my heart. It reminded me of that ethereal part of me that the kick-ass persona guards and hides. It is in every woman, even us liberated types. In a world where women know they can't rely on anyone but themselves, we have learned to be tough as any man. But our hearts long for the kind of man who sees through the armour, who can honor and cherish the innocent little girl that never disappeared, that lives inside us, often forgotten even by us. I saw an embroidered pillow the other day that said Grandmas are just grown-up little girls. As Edg would say, like that. Edg is the old-fashioned prince-type, a hero without a respectable cause in this world that makes fun of causes and rescuings. To place oneself in his camp is to invite ridicule, as he is the subject of ridicule himself for his protective ways. He senses the sensitive, and the world tells him that doesn't exist. He's living in the Middle Ages. Women aren't like that anymore. But Edg is right. And the man who can see and value the softness in a woman, even the kick-ass ones, is the man who can win any woman's heart. I once had a boyfriend who saw this in me for a limited period of time. He got scared of his powerful feelings, so he closed down his heart, and then his intuitive vision ebbed, naturally. He became an average guy, and we started having average-type problems. In time we broke up. But while our hearts were open, we had this wonderful vision of each other: that tenderest part of another's personhood, that level of the soul, the first sprouting of individuality. He and I called it the bear in each other. As in teddy bear. The bear became our symbol. Because I've experienced this level, which is not universal ego but also not anything dependent on worldly content -- a spiritual entity in itself, a pure innocent personhood -- that's why I'm so adamant about the individual existing as whole and eternal and divine and good, a pure spirit within the mind of God. I'll never forget how that man made me feel, or how I felt about him. It was the realest, purest thing I've ever known. And losing it was the greatest loss of my life. So if Edg wants to tilt at windmills and stand up for delicate damsels that most people say don't exist, we women hear him and a tear wells up in our eye because we understand. I am not surprised he enjoys a relationship on the level of ritam with a woman, them finishing each other's sentences and experiencing one another's thoughts arising before they're spoken. A man with his vision of the tenderest side of human nature is capable of that kind of union and that kind of love. Truly, as he says, the rest of us don't know jack about intimacy. And for all the glories of individual freedom, the glees of kicking ass and being independent, the delights of discovering nubile young folks half our age who show an interest in us -- nothing beats being loved for who you are by a person who will love you long after the dripping shakti of youth has dried up and left. I saw The Nanny Diaries the other day, a movie partly about gorgeous women who marry the most prized men, and what happens to these folks. The men they married loved them for their youthful shakti. When it fades, the men look for their shakti somewhere else. I always envied these perfect women, but the film gave me a new perspective. I came to see their glory as short-lived, how they wind up as hurting as much as anyone else. They thought they were loved by the best, so their love would last. But no one ever saw or loved their inner tender person. These poor women get tossed on the garbage heap by the time they're 40, as their husbands seek out and purchase a new and improved model of the same. I'll bet that never happens with Edg's girlfriend. As it never happens in those wonderful relationships we all admire, where the old man and old
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Joni Mitchell, my idol
Bronte wrote: She came across in her songs as a lady of all heart yet great strength. Turq wrote: It's easier to see the strength these days. She tends to keep her heart a little more hidden. Bronte writes: Yeah. That started around the time she turned from writing folk to writing jazz. An edge, a hardness, came into her work that didn't resonate with me. I liked the soft center. For years I continued to buy her new albums, always being disappointed, then gave up and lost interest. But I understand the hardness. I've been there, too. It's just not the part of myself I like reflected in the music I listen to. Music is a way for me to find my own soft center, ya know? Turq wrote: The evening with Cachora also got written up into a story, but it isn't on the Net. Bronte writes: Any way of our seeing it? Truq wrote: You no doubt know her song Don Juan's Reckless Daughter? Suffice it to say Joni had an affinity for Castaneda and his vision of Yaqui spirituality. So she was curious and outspoken when talking with one of the brujos that Castaneda had actually studied with. It was interesting to see that even though she clearly considered him knowledgeable, she never took anything he said as gospel; she was always ready to challenge any statement that didn't seem right to her. Bronte writes: Yes. Not surprising. Very cool. A self-made woman. I didn't know about the Castanada connection til you told me of it, though. (I went through a Castandada period, too.) I've spent the last couple hours catching up on Joni Mitchell, thanks to you. I LOVED your Road Trip story! Talk about being in the groove! Your friend Dakota sounds amazing. But does he (do you) ride the wave of Tao with these synchronicities or are you creating the events by expecting them? The latter wouldn't be the case in instances like the girl who you gave the key to, as you didn't expect it, you just went somewhere on a hunch. But even in that case, was it she, in her need, who created the event? Dakota's certainty that he would run into Joni Mitchell could be explained as expectation creating reality. I wrote a ten-lesson course on that subject: Imaginate Your Way to a Better Life. I don't deny the reality of Tao-surfing, though. If we create reality (and I think we do), we create it on those waves. All hail to the Tao and the magic of the moment! Thanks for some wonderful reading, Turq. - Bronte - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris on athiesm and mysticism
2007-10-06
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Thank you very much for this. :-) It demonstrates the eternal vigilance to hold to our sincerity and doubt to assure both the personal and the impersonal Ishvara are more fully reflected in our thoughts, words and deeds and our attention is focused on that Ishvara so that our efforts, socially expressed, do not deteriorate into the very antithesis of progressing toward subtler realms and the probable desideratum of all life in the universe. Many atheists constitute some of the most magnanimous hearts and minds I've ever met. Further forensics into the lives of atheists and the continuum of atheism in the myriad lives of each person who subscribes to it will demonstrate that a period of atheism in their lifetime, for many believers of nonbelief, will show that such periods are as fasting from the extroversive ostentations that have gone astray and substituted for true spiritual experience, often substituting regressive, oppressive, suppressive and repressive impostoring imitations of spirituality in the sanctimonious theater of religiosity while camouflaging predatious psycho-social cannibalizations of humanity. While myopic minds and Muladhariis the world over may belligerently bark their minimitis towards their perceived ideological adversaries, the universe is a singular whole complete within itself with truths, satya, that pervade all things. Moments of atheism in the evolution of beings is just an exercise in discipline in pursuit of that same satya to hold fast to their heart of sincerity and veracity. Even for those of us who trust in, if not certain of a singularity pervading the universe, and for those of us who have actually experienced samadhi and know the answer for sure, we must respect the sincerity of these atheists and the driving force they provide to keep society true and on track towards more sublime thresholds of evolutionary excellence for humanity and the world at large. *You are never alone or helpless;* *the force the guides the stars guides you too.* This message set at 60 spaces across for better forwarding. See how it's done at: * http://ReFormatYourEmail.makes.it http://reformatyouremail.makes.it/* On 10/6/07, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/2q9oem But certain people, for whatever reason, are led to suspect that there is more to human experience than this. In fact, many of them are led to suspect this by religion—by the claims of people like the Buddha or Jesus or some other celebrated religious figures. And such a person may begin to practice various disciplines of attention—often called meditation or contemplation—as a means of examining his moment to moment experience closely enough to see if a deeper basis of well-being is there to be found.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Outlaw Path To Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) That moment often is referred to by the enlightened as the pivotal moment in their lives in which the seed of realization was planted. It may not have actually been *doing* the Something Else that caused realization, but just making that decision to no longer be reliant on Someone Else's Path in almost every case revealed their *own* path to them. And that path led them home. This is good stuff- It is true you eventually have to 'find' it for yourself- basically this is the philosophy of the 12-step programs- that you need to find: 'Your own 'Higher Power'. Jesus claimed the same: Search within... Maharishi teaches the same: It's all within... Then there's the idea of 'old soul, young soul'... Some people aren't the least bit interested in any of this stuff of enlightenment, as they are caught up in the more material side of things: survival, position, possessions, not much time left for anything spiritual. Then there's the one's that need to just follow one of the various dogmas, of one the religions... Only problem is: all of the religions are generally based in a figure- head who was enlightened, but as was said, you can't get there, by just being a 'Parrot'...quack, quack... Then there's the 'Jacobs Ladder Principle'... Have you ever noticed when you are speaking to someone, About some ecsorteric stuff, that they just sort of 'blank out', And didn't hear a word you said; have you ever noticed that for yourself, at times: someone will have told you something, and you completely blank out on what was said. Sometimes your not ready to hear what is being said. You can't skip steps in the Soul's evolution, it comes in steps, lessons, trials and tribulations, pain, and joy. It's great to find a teacher, a guru, to hang with, and learn from. Especially if one has the good fortune to meet an enlightened one. Being around someone who is enlightened is contagious, as they are vibrating the vibration of one who is beyond the ego- very rare. It's called Darshan in India, and to be in the darshan of a high being, is an honor and a blessing. But eventually, if you are to become enlightened yourself, You have to take the final leap, yourself. And if you have a good guru, he or she will push you, when you are ready. I supose I can talk about my own experience. I was on my own because the way things were is not really like having a Guru compared to now. So this is new and the experience is good, There was rapid evolution this past year. I am already old enough and enlightenment is not there, but now it looks possible and I can grasp the situation. I am more relaxed, and actually out of the dogma which I was in. I put myself there by non the less it was uncomfortable. But about the doing it on your own, I have now been on both sides of the fence, the first side was 47 years, how much longer do i have to wait? the opportunity came up to be with a Guru and i gave it a shot. I could care less about public opinion, I just took sanyas, shaved my head for the ceremony, was walking around LA in an orange dress and shirt- does that sound like one that is concerned with public opionion? Why is it though that if I say it is the prebirth right that each person has this enlightenment, all would agreee, but if I say that also a Guru can come from any country and their dharshan would be the same- oh n, it has to be indian or it cant be? You know , i think most of the sadakas in my path are happy to have the Guru all to ourselfs because we know about the transformation and evolution that took place. The are like 15 sadakas reporting in , and one after the other talking about a stilled mind, etc. Well, we know it is not right to hog the guru to ourselfs, so we offer it up all over the place, mostly it is rejected. The honest truth is I dont care. I am really happy to have this individual attention. I also am happy if people are interested but either way is quite fine. Hridaya
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Joni Mitchell, my idol
Just for the record, Henry Louie was Joni’s manager (or was it recording engineer, Turq?). Henry and his wife Nadine were close to MMY in the early days. I once heard a story that some starry-eyed fan got close enough to Joni (who learned TM at some point) to say “Jai Guru Dev” and that Joni’s response was “Fuck you.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.3/1054 - Release Date: 10/6/2007 7:12 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris on athiesm and mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/2q9oem But certain people, for whatever reason, are led to suspect that there is more to human experience than this. In fact, many of them are led to suspect this by religionby the claims of people like the Buddha or Jesus or some other celebrated religious figures. And such a person may begin to practice various disciplines of attentionoften called meditation or contemplationas a means of examining his moment to moment experience closely enough to see if a deeper basis of well-being is there to be found. The talk from which this is taken is titled The Problem with Atheism, and his discussion of mysticism takes most of the second half of it; I get the distinct sense it's what he most wanted to convey. He leads into the discussion very cleverly, in such a down-to-earth, practical way that even the most hard-core atheist rationalist materialist, I suspect, would have a hard time objecting to it. It's worth a read just to see how he does it (and interestingly, his approach has much in common with the TM intro lecture). Then toward the end, he writes: As advocates of reason, we know that mystery is going to be with us for a very long time. Indeed, there are good reasons to believe that mystery is ineradicable from our circumstance, because however much we know, it seems like there will always be brute facts that we cannot account for but which we must rely upon to explain everything else. This may be a problem for epistemology but it is not a problem for human life and for human solidarity. It does not rob our lives of meaning. And it is not a barrier to human happiness. We are faced, however, with the challenge of communicating this view to others. We are faced with the monumental task of persuading a myth- infatuated world that love and curiosity are sufficient, and that we need not console or frighten ourselves or our children with Iron Age fairy tales. I don't think there is a more important intellectual struggle to win; it has to be fought from a hundred sides, all at once, and continuously; but it seems to me that there is no reason for us to fight in well-ordered ranks, like the red coats of Atheism. He comes *so close* in this essay to bridging the gap between personal mystical experience via meditation/contemplation and religion, but in the end he refuses to make the leap, dismissing religion as Iron Age fairy tales. If only one of his hundred sides of this intellectual struggle could involve a close study of religious dogma *alongside* the reports of mystical experience, to the point where it becomes clear that the dogma in many if not most cases is a metaphorical rendering of that very mystical experience rather than Iron Age fairy tales dreamed up in a vacuum. Bottom line, once the real nature of the fairy tales is understood, there will no longer be any need to dismiss and disparage them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds
2007-10-06
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
I agree, Turquoise, though what about efforts to vanquish Buddhism, and what about any lack of wars in the geography covered by Buddhism? Surely we have more to learn. On 10/4/07, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Animated Map - 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds: http://mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html Neat. I guess my only nitpick with it is the category they placed it in, Maps of War. To my knowledge (and someone can correct me if they think I'm wrong), the which animal doesn't fit with the others entry on this map is Buddhism. I don't think they've *ever* fought a war to spread Buddhism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds
TurquoiseB wrote: I don't think they've *ever* fought a war to spread Buddhism. Maybe not, but there have been wars in Buddhist countries - India, Tibet, Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Burma, Thailand, Japan, China, Java, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Korea.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Joni Mitchell, my idol
On Oct 6, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Just for the record, Henry Louie was Joni’s manager (or was it recording engineer, Turq?). Henry and his wife Nadine were close to MMY in the early days. I once heard a story that some starry-eyed fan got close enough to Joni (who learned TM at some point) to say “Jai Guru Dev” and that Joni’s response was “Fuck you.” Not surprising since one of her friends, Alan Ginsberg had discovered and exposed the Maharishi's phoniness many years ago (and IIRC correctly, Ginsberg published it in a newspaper).
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds
Animated Map - 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds: http://mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html You need to get some smarts. There's no historical evidence that a 'Krishna' was born in India in 3000 B.C. There's no evidence that an 'Abraham' gave birth to a tribe that invaded and conqured Canaan in 2000 B.C. And, there's no historical evidence that a 'Jesus' died in the year Zero. In fact, most wars are caused by tyrants who have no religion at all. It may be true that thousands of people in 5,000 years have died as a result of religious zealots, but that number is like nothing compared to the millions and millions of people who died at the hands of fanatics like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Saddham Hussien or Pol Pot, in just a recent single century of modern history.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, Turquoise, though what about efforts to vanquish Buddhism, and what about any lack of wars in the geography covered by Buddhism? Surely we have more to learn. On 10/4/07, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Animated Map - 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds: http://mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html Neat. I guess my only nitpick with it is the category they placed it in, Maps of War. To my knowledge (and someone can correct me if they think I'm wrong), the which animal doesn't fit with the others entry on this map is Buddhism. I don't think they've *ever* fought a war to spread Buddhism. No, in fact Buddhism fits on this map just fine. Maps of War isn't a category they placed that map in; it's the name of the Web site. The category the map was placed in is History of Religion (which you can tell by looking at the URL). The intro to the map says: How has the geography of religion evolved over the centuries, and where has it sparked wars? Our map gives us a brief history of the world's most well-known religions: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism. Selected periods of inter-religious bloodshed are also highlighted. Nowhere, of course, does the map show any war fought to spread Buddhism (or Hinduism, for that matter). Always a good idea to look at something before you start criticizing it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Outlaw Path To Enlightenment
TurquoiseB wrote: Last night I rapped for a little while about outlaws and why I like them, and the flack they sometimes get from others for living by no rules but their own. But there is another reason why I love outlaws. For me they are the perfect metaphor for the pathway to enlightenment. Who are you running from? In my considered opinion, *most* of the men and women in human history who have realized their enlightenment have done so by being outlaws. At some point in their lives they decided to stop following the advice or the laws of others, and follow only their own. How would you be knowing about most of the men and women in human history when you've only lived Spain for two months? Sure, Socrates maybe broke the law by siding with the oligarchs, but was he enlightened when he composed the Republic? I think not. And he drank the hemlock - a stupid thing to do if you're enlightened. You need look no further than the Buddha for an example. Yeah, he studied with a few teachers during his early days. But he rejected them all, and in the end wound up studying only with the Self. Did the historical Buddha believe in a Self? And that was all that was needed to realize the Self. That is essentially his message, and in my opinion it is still true, all these centuries later. Can you cite any evidence that the historical Buddha believed in and taught the existence of a Self? Surely you have read all the Buddha's recorded sermons. Otherwise why would you make such a claim? Many in the spiritual community are *offended* by the idea of DIY (Do It Yourself). Guffaww!!! Yoga is the original DIY! They come up with all sorts of intellectual arguments for how it isn't possible for a self to realize Self all by itself. They repeat the stuff they've been told (and, more often than not, *sold*) by teachers who told them that they *needed* a teacher to realize who they are. They go on and on like Ron does about how a guru is essential, and how doing exactly what he or she says is essential to become enlightened. Barry, you need to stop the BS. You've spent almost your entire adult life in and out of cults studying with one teacher after another. First it was Lobsang Rampa, then the Marshy, then the Zen Master Rama - who knows what cult you belong to today. Well, to echo Cuba Gooding, Jr. in Jerry Maguire, Show me the enlightenment! We were all told for years or decades within the TM move- to Just Follow Instructions. Do what we tell you to do and you'll become enlightened. Yeah, right. We all know how many people in the TM movement *that* worked for. Weren't you the guy who handed out all the flyers promising enlightenment in 5-7 years? What's up with that? And then I look at other spiritual traditions and what I see is that the guys and gals who get written about *as* enlightened beings are the ones who *didn't* follow instructions, who *didn't* do exactly what they were told to do. For the most part, the people whom history records as the enlightened were outlaws. For a while they tried doing things Somebody Else's Way, but in the end the thing that enabled them to realize their enlight- enment was finding Their Own Way. Like who? Most of the Buddhist teachers I've known or read about all followed the teachings of the Buddha. I guess you could call Chogyam Trungpa an outlaw, but he died at a premature age from riotous living - hardly a role model. But it's not against the law to drink a quart of whiskey and smoke two packs of Marlboro every day. I could go on and on and on, listing the enlightened of the past whose life stories suggest that they were outlaws. It's pretty easy to do; there are far more of them than there are stories about people who realized enlightenment by doing what they were told. 'The Collected Works of Chögyam Trungpa' Volume 5: Crazy Wisdom-Illusion's Game-The Life of Marpa the Translator (excerpts)- The Rain of Wisdom (excerpts)-Mahamudra (excerpts)-Selected Writings by Chogyam Trungpa Shambhala, 2004 But instead, since I know that this is going to push some buttons, I'll ask those who still believe that one *can* become realized by doing what you're told to do (or that that's the *only* way you can realize enlight- enment) to provide some examples of this. Show me the enlightenment! Trot out some examples of someone follow- ing Someone Else's Path and getting enlightened by doing what he or she was told to do. The historical Buddha? We've certainly seen Ron trying to do this here, and I think we've all seen how believable his claims that all these people are poppin' into enlightenment are. I would suspect that there is not one person here who believes it. But *Ron* believes it, and obviously believes firmly that if he does everything he is told to do, for long enough, that enlightenment will be the result. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I'm not
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM in SF schools and others
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out how still these middle-school students look during meditation in the first link below, a 7-minute video. To me it's beautiful! The principal of an American public high school in San Francisco, California has been awarded the prestigious title 'Principal of the Year'. Is this a National top award for this Principal, or just a local thing? OffWorld The award was presented following a nationwide competition encompassing principals from 30,000 schools. The students and faculty at that school practice Transcendental Meditation, with daily group meditations held during school hours. The comprehensive benefits of the Transcendental Meditation Programme for students at all levels of education have been extensively documented by scientific research. Applauding the principal's achievement, Dr John Konhaus, Administrator of the Global Country of World Peace in California, commented that his success would pave the way for the introduction of Consciousness-Based Education throughout California. http://www.stressfreeschools.org/video/california_school.htmlhttp:// www.stressfreeschools.org/video/california_school.html is a pretty cool video on the TM program at that school, and others. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/c/a/2007/09/29/BA6MSGFG3.DTLhttp://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/c/a/2007/09/29/BA6MSGFG3.DTL is the newspaper article.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off Done
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Hey Off, Not trying to censor you, but you're up to 38 posts for the week. You wasted a lot on those little one-liners. Please don't post any more until after Friday midnight. Ok, no problem, the flamers Lurk, Turq, Kirk, Burt, Curt, and Squirt, have crumbled finally. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Joni Mitchell's transmission of enlightenment
There was some discussion a while back about Joni Mitchell lyrics to Refuge of the Road. She captures very nicely the description of the state called in Tibetan, rigpa tsel wang, the transmission of the state of enlightenment, where the state of enlightenment is directly passed on to the student. In Joni's case, it lasted several days the first time, which is quite good--although not surprising coming from a Mahasiddha like Trungpa. But in any event, the song captures that state very accurately and poetically. I found an interview in which she discusses several meetings with Trungpa crazy wisdom POV: Joni Mitchell by Dimitri Ehrlich Interview Magazine April 1991 How's the art world treating you? Well, the thing about the art world is that everyone wants to pigeonhole the artists. And the problem I've run into is that to align my myself with a gallery means to really curtail my freedom. I paint in, like, four different styles, but they want you to get a recognizable style going, like Lichtenstein or something. But in a way, everything you appreciate goes into you and comes out sooner or later. It creates the mulch for later work. I like that idea. Chogyam Trungpa, the Tibetan lame, once said that everything in life is fertilizer: you scatter it on the field of awakening. Rather than saying that everthing you hate about yourself is shit and that you're going to get rid of it. He loved the word shit, didn't he? Trungpa did some very weird things. Oh, yeah. He was the bad boy of Zen. I wrote a song about a visit I made to him called Refuge of the Road. I consider him one of my great teachers, even though I saw him only three times. Once I had a fifteen-minute audience with him in which we argued. He told me to quit analyzing. I told him I couldn't - I'm an artist, you know. Then he induced into me a temporary state where the concept of I was absent, which lasted for three days. Wow, that's very rare. Immediate transmission. Immediate, and from then on it was my decision whether to make that my life. But you can't function from there as an artist. Did you ever tell him how much you learned from him? Yes. At the very end of Trungpa's life I went to visit him. I wanted to thank him. He was not well. He was green and his eyes had no spirit in them at all, which sort of stunned me, because the previous times I'd seen him he was quite merry and puckish - you know, saying shit a lot. I leaned over and looked into his eyes, and I said, How is it in there? What do you see in there? And this voice came, like, out of a void, and it said, Nothing. So, I want over and whispered in his ear, I just came to tell you that when I left you that time, I had three whole days without self conscious-ness, and I wanted to thank you for the experience. And he looked up at me, and all the light came back into his face and he goes, Really? And then he sank back into this black void again. How would you sum up Trungpa's effect on your life? Well, who knows? His particular lineage uses a teaching device that involves shocking you. Trungpa stopped me in my tracks. Made a space. Wham. He pushed back all this stuff, and it stayed pushed back for three days. I once asked a Tibetan lama about duality. He just took my head in his hand and smacked our heads together. It was, like, bonk. He said, 'You think too much. You are a bright cookie, you know that? Your questions have almost been too cerebral for me. Sorry. They have been a bit dense. But on the other hand, I like what most might consider stupid questions. As in, What's it like to be a singer? Um, that's not a bad one. I could answer that. Full interview cached at: http://72.14.203.104/search? q=cache:KALBJTqVOXkJ:www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm%3Fid%3D132+Joni +Mitchell+Chogyam+Trungpahl=en
[FairfieldLife] Joni Mitchell's transmission of enlightenment
There was some discussion a while back about Joni Mitchell lyrics to Refuge of the Road. She captures very nicely the description of the state called in Tibetan, rigpa tsel wang, the transmission of the state of enlightenment, where the state of enlightenment is directly passed on to the student. In Joni's case, it lasted several days the first time, which is quite good--although not surprising coming from a Mahasiddha like Trungpa. But in any event, the song capture that state very accurately and poetically. I found an interview in which she discusses several meetings with Trungpa crazy wisdom POV: Joni Mitchell by Dimitri Ehrlich Interview Magazine April 1991 How's the art world treating you? Well, the thing about the art world is that everyone wants to pigeonhole the artists. And the problem I've run into is that to align my myself with a gallery means to really curtail my freedom. I paint in, like, four different styles, but they want you to get a recognizable style going, like Lichtenstein or something. But in a way, everything you appreciate goes into you and comes out sooner or later. It creates the mulch for later work. I like that idea. Chogyam Trungpa, the Tibetan lame, once said that everything in life is fertilizer: you scatter it on the field of awakening. Rather than saying that everthing you hate about yourself is shit and that you're going to get rid of it. He loved the word shit, didn't he? Trungpa did some very weird things. Oh, yeah. He was the bad boy of Zen. I wrote a song about a visit I made to him called Refuge of the Road. I consider him one of my great teachers, even though I saw him only three times. Once I had a fifteen-minute audience with him in which we argued. He told me to quit analyzing. I told him I couldn't - I'm an artist, you know. Then he induced into me a temporary state where the concept of I was absent, which lasted for three days. Wow, that's very rare. Immediate transmission. Immediate, and from then on it was my decision whether to make that my life. But you can't function from there as an artist. Did you ever tell him how much you learned from him? Yes. At the very end of Trungpa's life I went to visit him. I wanted to thank him. He was not well. He was green and his eyes had no spirit in them at all, which sort of stunned me, because the previous times I'd seen him he was quite merry and puckish - you know, saying shit a lot. I leaned over and looked into his eyes, and I said, How is it in there? What do you see in there? And this voice came, like, out of a void, and it said, Nothing. So, I want over and whispered in his ear, I just came to tell you that when I left you that time, I had three whole days without self conscious-ness, and I wanted to thank you for the experience. And he looked up at me, and all the light came back into his face and he goes, Really? And then he sank back into this black void again. How would you sum up Trungpa's effect on your life? Well, who knows? His particular lineage uses a teaching device that involves shocking you. Trungpa stopped me in my tracks. Made a space. Wham. He pushed back all this stuff, and it stayed pushed back for three days. I once asked a Tibetan lama about duality. He just took my head in his hand and smacked our heads together. It was, like, bonk. He said, 'You think too much. You are a bright cookie, you know that? Your questions have almost been too cerebral for me. Sorry. They have been a bit dense. But on the other hand, I like what most might consider stupid questions. As in, What's it like to be a singer? Um, that's not a bad one. I could answer that. Full interview cached at: http://72.14.203.104/search? q=cache:KALBJTqVOXkJ:www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm%3Fid%3D132+Joni +Mitchell+Chogyam+Trungpahl=en
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM in SF schools and others
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Check out how still these middle-school students look during meditation in the first link below, a 7-minute video. To me it's beautiful! The principal of an American public high school in San Francisco, California has been awarded the prestigious title 'Principal of the Year'. Is this a National top award for this Principal, or just a local thing? OffWorld National, but for middle schools, not high schools as reported by TM's Global Good News: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=localid=5683935
[FairfieldLife] 'Lies, lies, lies, yeah-...'
The Killing Silence of Alan Greenspan by William Hughes (Wednesday, October 3, 2007) - The Bush-Cheney Gang lied the country into the Iraq War. Now, Alan Greenspan, the ex-Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserves, has admitted: Everyone knows the Iraq War was largely about oil! Greenspan should be forced to testify, under oath, before a Grand Jury and/or the House Judiciary Committee about this amazing disclosure. The American people are entitled to the truth and the liars should be punished. - Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. He held one of the highest positions that can be bestowed on a public servant. Im referring to Alan Greenspan, the former Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve (1987-2006). After leaving office, he penned a tell-all book that filled his pockets with mega-greenbacks. Its entitled, The Age of Turbulence. In it, he made this shocking statement: It is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq War is largely about oil. Translation: Greenspan consciously chose to remain silent about what he now reveals was one of the true reasons for the Iraq War--oil! Why didnt he resign his office and come clean with the American people that a massive fraud, a war based on serial lies, was being perpetrated on them by the Bush-Cheney Gang? [1] As of todays date, 3,808 U.S. troop have died in that conflict. Is Greenspan also suggesting that his fear of feeling politically inconvenient, was more important to him than exposing the cover story of the Bush-Cheney Gangs rush to war as a lie? What did Greenspan mean, too, when he wrote that everyone knows that the Iraq War is largely about oil? Who in this present administration didnt know the conflict was largely about oil? Were President George W. Bush, V.P. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, John Bolton and Paul Wolfowitz all in the loop? Greenspan should be subpoenaed before a Federal Grand Jury and/or the House Judiciary Committee and required to give testimony under oath with respect to his amazing disclosure. It is a federal crime for President Bush, (and his V.P. Cheney, too), to lie to the U.S. Congress. Both of them have insisted repeatedly that the war in Iraq was about Saddam Hussein having WMDs, ties to al-Qaeda, and a connection to the 9/11 tragedy. We now know their cover story was a smokescreen and a lie. (1) So, what were the real reasons for the war? The American people are entitled to straight answers and the liars deserve to be severely punished. In fact, H. Res. 333, authored by Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), which calls for the impeachment of the grossly callous Cheney, now has 21 sponsors. In Article 1 of that historic document, it is charged that Cheney, Halliburtons favorite gofer, deliberately fabricated a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in order to justify the invasion, destruction and occupation of that beleaguered country. [2] It is estimated that a million Iraqis have died in that blood stained conflict and that another 3.7 million have been made refugees. It is arguable that the Iraq War is a War of Aggression under the holdings of the Nuremberg Tribunal, and that it constitutes a War Crime. [3] Rep. Kucinich has also attacked the dastardly scheme of the Bush-Cheney Gang to privatize Iraqs huge oil reserves. Under the plot, about 65 percent of Iraqs oil would go to the global oil companies, especially the U.S. and the British-based ones. He has labeled it a theft and a War Crime. [4] Rep. Kucinich has been supported in his efforts to block this skullduggery by many Iraqi Oil Workers, the AFL-CIO and U.S. Labor Against the War. [5] Back to Greenspan. If he is required to testify under oath--and I think he should be--and if his testimony shows that Cheney was one of the culprits who knew the war was largely about oil, it could begin a steamroll in the House of Representatives for the V.P.s impeachment, and eventual removal from public office for committing High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Cheney, after his ouster, might also face a criminal indictment, and if convicted, imprisonment. If anything, the Houses passage of Article of Impeachment against Cheney could stop this criminally reckless administration from nuking Iran and starting WWIII. [6] Another question comes up: How could Greenspan sleep at night knowing that so much death and mayhem in Iraq was happening, not because of a purported need for regime change, but because a Special Interest, Big Oil, wished to enrich its bottom line? And, what exactly did Greenspan mean when he said the Iraq War was largely about oil? What else did he know it was about? When I mention Special Interests,
[FairfieldLife] Gordon Michael Scalllion on the next president
CK: Who will be the next U.S. President? GMS:If there are no new entries into the field then Lincoln shall return and occupy the White House again. CK:Do you want to tell us who Lincoln is? GMS: Obama
