[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Randy Good to have someone else questioning Vaj's BS. This guy postures himself here as an american natha-guru and buddhist dzogchenpa. However, his simplistic identi- fication of Narayana (as the source of the tm puja) with the vaishnava sampradaya shows an amazing ignorance. Not content with the Robert, my direct memories of my awful past lives piss on your psychic's recounting of your own awful past lives posturing, now emptybill trots out the olde standard My spiritual dick is longer than Vaj's spiritual dick because I've read more books of other people's seeings, and better books at that routine. If it helps to make this future past life as awful as the last one in your future memories, Bill :-), I think what when you get into this stuff both of you come off like posturing dweebs caught in what seems to be an eternal game of oneupsmanship. In other words, no matter what the content of a dispute between the two of you, it always boils down to My spiritual dick is longer than your spiritual dick. How boring. To his credit, Vaj tends to recognize the nature of such contests and exit from them quickly, before you can turn them into a meaningless Steinist 100-post exercise in dick-measuring. You both could be debating the relative merits and batting statistics of your preferred baseball teams and it would be the same dick-size contest and with the same vibe IMO. Not being a sports fan, I find such dick-size contests boring. Not being given to measuring my own spiritual experi- ence by how many books about *other people's spiritual experiences* I've read, I find your pseudo-academic harrangues against Vaj equally boring. The only difference I will present between the two of you is that Vaj occasionally presents some stuff *for its benefit for the potential seeker* -- a technique that might be of interest, a book or research project that some might find interesting, etc. To date I do not remember ever having seen you do this on this forum. You seem limited *to* dick- size contests and Vaj-demonization. Got any other plays in your playbook? In other words, Vaj seems to occasionally transcend the bash TM thang and post some knowledge *just for knowledge's sake*. I have never seen you do so. You post stuff only to show your superiority to someone you want to put down. Which do you think reflects more highly on your respective spiritual paths and backgrounds?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Randy Meltzer rm108@ wrote: Any comments Vaj? I have noticed sometimes at this point the call gets dropped. Lurk, do *you* stay on the line when the person on the other end clearly has his dick out of his pants waving it around and saying, Can you match this, bozo? I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little tired of the heavy breathing on the other end of the line and hang up. :-) Then again, I am unimpressed with real academics in the field of spirituality, and even less so with armchair academics who play dueling sources in what are clearly oneupsmanship ego games. Your mileage may vary. If it does, I hope that the payoff you're waiting for...uh... measures up. :-) Hell hath not seen nor heaven created the one who can prevail against me! - Don Quixote, after his windmill escapade
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'So Long Marlene...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Earth to Robert: Marlene Dietrich has been dead for 17 years. I know that gay people think she's immortal but enough's enough. You still have Liza and Bette Midler. And, judging from what seems to be playing on the big TV screens as I walk past the gay bars in Sitges, Meryl Streep et al in Mamma Mia. I don't think I've ever heard so much Abba in my life as I have emanating from such bars since that movie came out. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Rejecting the spiritual past and living in the spiritual present
One of my favorite themes in spirituality seems to be playing itself out again. I am beating Nabby and other compulsive Buddhist-bashers to the punch by posting this here not to defend Buddhism but to express how much I like this kid. He reminds me of the namesake from whom I took my screen name, the Turquoise Bee (also known as Tsangyang Tshomo Gyatso, the Sixth Dalai Lama). He similarly acted out against his appointed role as reincarnated spiritual leader. He agreed to act as the Dalai Lama for show and spent his days in the Potala palace, but spent his nights in Shol-town, Lhasa's red light district -- drink- ing, carousing, and writing some of the most lovely love poetry in human history. A previous rap about my namesake can be found here, for anyone interested: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/50856 His portrait can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/1471608370/pic/1905061943/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc I am not only not threatened by someone rejecting the role that formal Buddhism (or any other tradition) casts a person into, I am *encouraged* by it. If the idea behind the Dalai Lama reincarnating over and over to fill the same role is true, from my point of view the First Dalai Lama found that after only five such incarnations the order he had founded had such a stick up its butt that he could barely stand to be part of it. I see this not as a rejection of the tradition but the very essence of it. A spiritual teacher should be constantly reinventing himself and adapting to the times, not perpetuating past times and formalizing them into hollow rituals. The Turquoise Bee did just that. Maybe this kid will, too. I look forward to the movies he makes. Next time I get to Madrid I'm tempted to look him up. Boy chosen by Dalai Lama turns back on Buddhist order As a toddler, he was put on a throne and worshipped as by monks who treated him like a god. But the boy chosen by the Dalai Lama as a reincarnation of a spiritual leader has caused consternation and some embarrassment for Tibetan Buddhists by turning his back on the order that had such high hopes for him. Instead of leading a monastic life, Osel Hita Torres now sports baggy trousers and long hair, and is more likely to quote Jimi Hendrix than Buddha. Yesterday he bemoaned the misery of a youth deprived of television, football and girls. Movies were also forbidden except for a sanctioned screening of The Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy, about a kidnapped child lama with magical powers. I never felt like that boy, he said. He is now studying film in Madrid and has denounced the Buddhist order that elevated him to guru status. They took me away from my family and stuck me in a medieval situation in which I suffered a great deal, said Torres, 24, describing how he was whisked from obscurity in Granada to a monastery in southern India. It was like living a lie, he told the Spanish newspaper El Mundo. Despite his rebelliousness, he is still known as Lama Tenzin Osel Rinpoche and revered by the Buddhist community. A prayer for his long life still adorns the website of the Foundation to Preserve the Mahayana Tradition, which has 130 centres around the world. The website features a biography of the renegade guru that gushes about his peaceful, meditative countenance as a baby. In Tibetan Buddhism, a lama is one of a lineage of reincarnated spiritual leaders, the most famous of which is the Dalai Lama. According to the foundation biography, another leader suspected Torres was the reincarnation of the recently deceased Lama Yeshe when he was only five months old. In 1986, at 14 months, his parents took him to see the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala, India. The toddler was chosen out of nine other candidates and eventually enthroned. At six, he was allowed to socialise only with other reincarnated souls though for a time he said he lived next to the actor Richard Gere's cabin. By 18, he had never seen couples kiss. His first disco experience was a shock. I was amazed to watch everyone dance. What were all those people doing, bouncing, stuck to one another, enclosed in a box full of smoke?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Randy Good to have someone else questioning Vaj's BS. This guy postures himself here as an american natha-guru and buddhist dzogchenpa. However, his simplistic identification of Narayana (as the source of the tm puja) with the vaishnava sampradaya shows an amazing ignorance. In reality this guy is just another american spiritual hack who makes error after error in his claims. He has been on this forum for four or five years. He is here because he wants to critique (read denigrate) maharishi's accomplishments and maharishi's personality. What he brings to the forum is a quite partial intellectual knowledge of Buddhism, some nomenclature from Swami Rama's lineage, claims of initiation into the Nath sampradaya and many other speculations he has generated from his reading. As you probably know Shankara instituted five form of deity worship, later amplified into six: Surya, Vishnu, Shiva, Shakti, Ganapati and Skanda. He viewed and taught all as faces (identities) of Parameshvara Saguna Brahman. What Vaj is saying is that sectarian Shaiva-s trace their lineage from Shiva and sectarian Vaishnava trace their lineage from a form of Vishnu-Krishna. Vaj is therefore claiming that those Dashanami lineages of Adi-Shankara who view Narayana as the source-origin of their sampradaya must be Vaishnava by definition. This is a gross blunder confirming him to be just another cheap hack. So if you are wondering - why he is here? He is here because: 1.FFL provides him with a large forum to display his ponderous claims to esoterica. 2.Most people here are not deeply conversant with other Asian meditative traditions much less Western spiritual traditions. Thus he can present himself as a pontiff. His main problem is that there are a few people here on the forum having both knowledge and experience in other meditative traditions. However, the unfortunate reality is that they don't always have time to follow his many threads and negative comments. If his employer only knew how much time he spends on ffl each day they would probably fire him on the spot. So, as a consequence, our good buddy Vajra-duta gets a free pass most of the time. Please join us if you can and keep this rabid skunk under some kind of control by questioning and examining his every claim and assertion. Odious-vajra-duta had proved to not only to be rabid but also dishonest. We need help maintaining some type of vigilance here. BINGO
[FairfieldLife] Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
OK, this is a classic example of the *intent* I spoke of in a post last week, Thou shalt not suffer a TM critic to be thought well of. As I see it (and Vaj...I like you, guy, but I'm going to be almost as critical of you in this rap as I am of the pile on crew) the thread started with Vaj saying something that pushed EmptyBill's ego buttons and made him squeal Gotcha inwardly. He leaped into the fray with his normal *intent* and modus operandi, which is spiritual dick size contest. Another way of stating this intent and standard operating procedure is Gotcha you s.o.b. Nyh nyh I know more than you, and thus my spiritual dick is longer than yours. To his discredit, Vaj often does the exact same thing. Who the fuck CARES what you guys know from what you have read about *other people's spiritual experiences*? Every time you two get into one of these armchair academic dick-size contests, I consider BOTH of your dicks smaller. Then the pile ons started. And that's an *intent* of a different color, in my opinion. Randy Meltzer contributed the only substance to the pile on followups. He cited his own exper- ience having been to Jyotir Math. I have no problem with this, although in a followup it appears that, like EmptyBill, Randy has an ongoing grudge against Vaj based on some interaction in the past. But the *rest* of the pile-on folks? They had one and only one *intent* -- Gotta demonize the TM critic. Judy, as usual, contributed nothing of substance. She can't. She is neither intelligent enough nor experienced enough in these topics *to* contribute substance. So she did what she always does, and used it to play Gotcha against Vaj. The idea being sold to lurkers here is, If EmptyBill 'caught' Vaj in one mistake or 'lie,' then you should not believe *anything* Vaj says. Then, having had her TM critic demonization orgasm for the day, she lights a cigarette and kicks back. :-) Nabby is even less intelligent, and has even less experience in the spiritual marketplace, so all he can contribute is a mis-understanding of and misquoting of All hat, no cattle. Again, there is no attempt to contribute anything of substance, only the *intent* to demonize a TM critic. Next comes shukra69, contributing nothing more than a dig at Buddhism. Again, the *intent* is clear. Add no substance, just pile on to play demonize the TM critic. Share a cigarette afterwards with Judy. :-) Then comes Shemp, making the only funny comment in the whole thread. Well said, Shemp. I com- pletely agree with you. Clean *intent* there. Then comes (sadly) Lurk. His point may be accurate, that Vaj *does* bail from the endless dick-size contests that EmptyBill trots out, but who wouldn't? Then comes Raunchydog, again with zero content, only the compulsive *intent* of piling on to a TM critic. Then comes Robert, doing the same thing. ARE YOU PEOPLE DERANGED? Yes, Vaj pisses people off. Yes, Vaj has a 'tude- and-a-half about TM and its followers. But do you think that YOUR Gotta get him 'tude is any better or more evolved? The only thing sadder in my opinion than two supposedly grown men confusing truth with the stuff that they've read in books is believing that the truth they prefer has anything to do with the size of their dicks. It doesn't. Only the size of their egos. And the only thing sadder than *that* is people who act as spectators to the dick-size contest and pile on when they perceive one of the participants as losing. What does THAT say about their state of consciousness, eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Person responsible for sinking the Titanic dies
Ah ha! So the diCaprio character was based on a child molester! --- On Mon, 6/1/09, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: From: shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Person responsible for sinking the Titanic dies To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:19 AM Remember the Kate Winslet character in the movie Titanic? Well, she and the Leonardo diCaprio character were, of course, responsible for the sinking of the Titanic. As you know, they were so busy kissing on deck that they attracted the attention of the sailors that were supposed to be looking out for icebergs and by distracting them by their indiscretion, they hit the iceberg. Well, the person upon whom the Winslet character is based died. Boo-hoo. I hope they commit her wrinkly corpse to the icey depths of the North Atlantic. Last survivor of the Titanic dies aged 97 By Daily Mail Reporter Last updated at 1:32 AM on 01st June 2009 Comments (0) Add to My Stories Millvina Dean, pictured opening the Titanic Voices Exhibition in 2002, has died aged 97 The last survivor of the sinking of the Titanic died at a British nursing home yesterday at the age of 97. Millvina Dean was the liner's youngest passenger - just two months old - when it sank on its maiden voyage with the loss of 1,523 lives. Her family were third-class passengers and were emigrating to Kansas where her father Bertram, 27, was to open a tobacco shop. They were supposed to have taken a different ship, but a coal strike meant they had been transferred to Titanic. On the night of April 14, 1912, Mr Dean felt the ship hit the iceberg and, after investigating, told his wife to dress the children and go up on deck. Millvina, her mother, and brother were put in Lifeboat 10. Her father remained on board and died when the ship broke in two and sank. The surviving Deans were picked up by the Carpathia and after three weeks recovering in New York they returned to England and settled in Hampshire. Miss Dean lived in Ashurst, only a few miles from where her family boarded the Titanic at Southampton. In the last year she had been forced to sell some of her family's possessions from the voyage at auction to pay for nursing home fees. But a month ago the stars of the Hollywood blockbuster Titanic, Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet, and its director James Cameron donated a total of £20,000 towards her living costs. Miss Dean had been in hospital last week and was believed to have been suffering from pneumonia. Millvina Dean pictured with a porthole from the Titanic at an exhibition at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich
[FairfieldLife] Experience? We don't need no steenkin' experience!
The TM Poster Girl Everything I need to know about spirituality I learned from listening to tapes of Maharishi and cruising Google [Barry's fantasy image of Judy] And you can do the same Try TM today: the path of effortless arrogance [:)]
[FairfieldLife] Sky gazing Iowans - Get off on your cloud
It seems a new type of cloud - Asperatus has been classified: Cloud gazing Meteorologists first noticed the stormy and billowy formation floating over the ScottishHighlands and above Snowdonia, Wales. The unique gray storm cloud was also spotted over Australia, thecornfields of Iowa and high above the Arctic Sea off the coast of Greenland. Spooky eh? Join the Cloud Appreciation Society http://www.cloudappreciationsociety.org/ ! (Though with all the excitement their web site seemsto be down)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life As It Is
On May 31, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 31, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Oh, I'm sorry, I must have missed the restriction on this thread that any example of not being content with Here And Now has to be an exact analog of TMers not being content with Here And Now. I mentioned the TM thang because it's usually the only way to get the people on this forum to respond to a broader question. :-) The broader question is spiritual movements and spiritual teachers who sell futures Are there spiritual movements/teachers who *aren't* selling some kind of modified future? It seems to me that they all do it, whether it's a future with perfected siddhis, rainbow body, kundalini markers, samadhi, enlightenment, Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, an afterlife in heaven instead of hell, or whatever. Even Eckhard Tolle, with his Power of Now, is selling a future where people are content with Here and Now. If I follow your logic, then all paths are causal? I'm not familiar with the term 'causal' as applied to spiritual paths. Barry posed the question of paths that sell the future, and on the basis of my perception that they all do (however limited my perception may be) I inquired if there are paths that don't. A causal path is a gradual path where the result may be glimpsed along the way, but the end result is in the future. Such paths can be described as having a structure View (the way-of-seeing) - Path - Fruit (or realization). What about acausal pathless paths? I don't know what those are. Would that be something along the lines of U.G. Krishnamurti? In a pathless path one gains the perspective or View of realization, the Fruit, from the beginning; and then applies the Fruit as the Path. Since the Path in this case is the Fruit, there really is no path per se, you're already there; that's why it's a pathless path. I only have some passing familiarity with Krishnamurti, they sound similar based on what I remember. I just remember reading some Krishnamurti when I was an avid TMer and I just remember being offended! Pretty funny how things change.
[FairfieldLife] Help for BillyG
STEPS IN OVERCOMING MASTURBATION Mark E. Petersen Council of the 12 Apostles Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Be assured that you can be cured of your difficulty. Many have been, both male and female, and you can be also if you determine that it must be so. This determination is the first step. That is where we begin. You must decide that you will end this practice, and when you make that decision, the problem will be greatly reduced at once. But it must be more than a hope or a wish, more than knowing that it is good for you. It must be actually a DECISION. If you truly make up your mind that you will be cured, then you will have the strength to resist any tendencies which you may have and any temptations which may come to you. After you have made this decision, then observe the following specific guidelines: A Guide to Self-Control: 1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes. 2. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company. 3. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things. 4. When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress AND THEN GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM into a room where you will have some member of your family present. 5. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you. 6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak. 7. Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- First a thought, then an act. The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act. 8. Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books -- Church books -- Scriptures -- Sermons of the Brethren. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities. 9. Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep [it] in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, BUT KEEP THE PROBLEM OUT OF YOUR MIND BY NOT MENTIONING IT EVER -- NOT IN CONVERSATION WITH OTHERS, NOT IN YOUR PRAYERS. KEEP IT _OUT_ of your mind! The attitude of a person toward his problem has an affect on how easy it is to overcome. It is essential that a firm commitment be made to control the habit. As a person understands his reasons for the behavior, and is sensitive to the conditions or situations that may trigger a desire for the act, he develops the power to control it. As one meets with his Priesthood Leader, a program for overcoming masturbation can be implemented using some of these suggestions. Remember it is essential that a regular report program be agreed on, so progress can be recognized and failures understood and eliminated. Suggestions: 1. Pray daily, ask for the gifts of the Spirit, that which will strengthen you against temptation. Pray fervently and out loud when the temptations are the strongest. 2. Follow a program of vigorous daily exercise. The exercises reduce emotional tension and depression and are absolutely basic to the solution of this problem. Double your physical activity when you feel stress increasing. 3. When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite a prechosen Scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Experience? We don't need no steenkin' experience!
Notice that in the reply window (at least on the Web site), a parenthetical appears underneath Barry's caption that doesn't show up in the original post. It says, (Barry's fantasy image of Judy). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: The TM Poster Girl Everything I need to know about spirituality I learned from listening to tapes of Maharishi and cruising Google [Barry's fantasy image of Judy] And you can do the same Try TM today: the path of effortless arrogance [:)]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
As usual, Barry can't make his point without lying: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip But the *rest* of the pile-on folks? They had one and only one *intent* -- Gotta demonize the TM critic. Judy, as usual, contributed nothing of substance. As Barry knows but can't admit, I've contributed *plenty* of substance regarding Vaj's dishonesty. In fact, I did so yesterday with regard to Vaj's claim concerning MMY's Maharishi title. She can't. She is neither intelligent enough nor experienced enough in these topics *to* contribute substance. So she did what she always does, and used it to play Gotcha against Vaj. The idea being sold to lurkers here is, If EmptyBill 'caught' Vaj in one mistake or 'lie,' then you should not believe *anything* Vaj says. Nope. In the first place, EmptyBill is hardly the only person knowledgeable about the traditions Vaj touts to have caught him in mistakes. In the second place, it was Randy, not EmptyBill, who caught him this time. In the third place, what I *actually* said was: - A few of us here who have no basis of knowledge to challenge his pronouncements on other traditions have found him to be grossly dishonest in areas we *do* know about, including (but by no means limited to) misrepresenting what has been said on this forum in the past. Naturally this has given us good reason to suspect that his discourses on other traditions that contrast TM with them unfavorably may not be clean as the driven snow either. Like Randy, I have no problem with someone being critical of TM or MMY or the TMO. I do have a problem with dishonest and unfair criticism of TM/ MMY/the TMO (or of anything else, for that matter). Life is tough enough when everyone is being as honest, sincere, and fair as they possibly can be. There's no excuse for making it even tougher. - Barry doesn't dare address my points, so not only does he fail to quote them, he deliberately misrepresents them. snip Then comes (sadly) Lurk. His point may be accurate, that Vaj *does* bail from the endless dick-size contests that EmptyBill trots out, but who wouldn't? In fact, as Barry knows, Vaj bails from *most* challenges to his accuracy and veracity, not just from EmptyBill's. snip Yes, Vaj pisses people off. Yes, Vaj has a 'tude- and-a-half about TM and its followers. But do you think that YOUR Gotta get him 'tude is any better or more evolved? It's not just his 'tude, it's his dishonesty. Barry, of course, can't acknowledge this because dishonesty is also what we go after *him* about. He has to portray dishonesty as no more significant than a 'tude, and objections to dishonesty as somehow no better than the dishonesty itself. How evolved is *that*?
[FairfieldLife] Acausal pathless paths (was Re: Life As It Is)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: [snip] A causal path is a gradual path where the result may be glimpsed along the way, but the end result is in the future. Such paths can be described as having a structure View (the way-of-seeing) - Path - Fruit (or realization). What about acausal pathless paths? In a pathless path one gains the perspective or View of realization, the Fruit, from the beginning; and then applies the Fruit as the Path. Why bother? If you've got fruit you've got fruit. Because you are glimpsing the result along the way? What way? Where do you glimpse the result, if not in the future? Seems to me causal path v acausal pathless paths is a difference that makes no difference. Since the Path in this case is the Fruit, there really is no path per se, you're already there; that's why it's a pathless path. I only have some passing familiarity with Krishnamurti, they sound similar based on what I remember. I just remember reading some Krishnamurti when I was an avid TMer and I just remember being offended! Pretty funny how things change. I too remember reading Krishnamurti as an avid TMer. I was not the least bit offended. Funny how we differ.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
On Jun 1, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Randy Meltzer wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Vaj, Again you make the statement that the tradition is not Shaivite. On what basis are you saying this? Have you been to Jyotir Math? Have you been to Guru Dev's ashram in Allahabad? It would seem not. Because if you had been there, it would be obvious. Even the sandalwood tilak on Guru Dev's face is shaivite style, not vaishnavite. The vaishnavites always wear their tilak in a vertical style. Shaivaites always horizontal. Where did you specifically find out that the shankaracharya order is vaishnavite? Please mention specifics? Bhaja Govindam is not a good argument. In India many people sing that. Next, you will be telling me that the Kedarnath temple in the Himalayas is a Vaishnavite temple. And the again I will state for the record that Shankara is a name of Shiva. Anyone in India knows that. But perhaps you are right and I am wrong. I guess my 16 trips there taught me nothing. Yes, I did say it again. I'm not going to lie. But at the same time, I've seen the same thing with numerous people associated with Vedic and puritanical Hindu movements. I spent a good amount of time involved with the Shankarcharya of the south and got to observe the inner workings close enough that I'm familiar with their workings. The Smartas are very inclusive, so they do not reject Shiva but they are not a Shaivite line. Being basically Brahmin, they have their version of history, told from their point of view. Yes, Shankara is a adjective of Shiva and some people do even consider Shankara an incarnation of Shiva. Of course some Shaivite lines also consider him a demon and destroyer. There are even tantric works attributed to Shankara which believers believe to actually be by Adi-Shankara. Historians however recognize that these come from a later date than Adi-Shankara. What some people aren't aware of is that orgs like the Shankaracharya while essentially deriving from Upanshadic thought and the Vedas, they also amalgamated a certain number of other sects which was part of a trend whereby older sects were brought into the newer Vedic ones. Really by the time of Shankara, the amalgamation of what was left of Vedic religion had already developed a symbiotic relationship with earlier forms of ecstatic religion like Shaivism. For that reason you can go to many Hindu temples and for one purpose they'll do a Vedic rite, for another they'll do a tantric one. But it's a sanitized, ritualized presentation of Shiva set in a puritanical religion. The original Shaivite gnosis was an ecstatic religion of the countryside, on the fringes of society. It's most recent revival would have been around time of Christ with the Shaivite saint Lakulisha who was considered the 28th avatar of Shiva. His followers considered him the last of the avatars mentioned in the Puranas. Most of these lines were oral, that is they were not written down and if they did, most existed in Dravidian languages. The Shaiva gnosis of Lakulisha was to last about a thousand years. A period of invasions by the Hun and the adherents of Islam put a stop to Shaivisms expansions. The Brahmans for a long, long time represented the dominant intellectual class began to gradually take over the various philosophical and scientific conceptions of the Shaivites. Utilizing a crafty exegesis, this essentially Vaishnavite Brahmanism(puritanical, hierarchical city religion), dominated by a wealthy merchant class, tried to connect Shaivism to a mythical vedism. So that how Puritanical Vaishnavite leaning hierarchical city religions incorporated ecstatic occult fringe religions into their growing power base. Or I should say, that's it in a nut shell, given off the cuff. It's the classic story of the religion of the city vs. the religion of the countryside. The city-merchant class, Vaishnavite puritanical ones take on the pagans, borrow their techniques and rites, putting them into their own new language, Sanskrit, and then suppress and destroy the original source documents. From the time of Shankara and to the present a religion emerged, named Vaishnavism, based mostly on Jainism but linked to the cult of Vishnu. Many Jains converted to this new Vaishnavite religion and it grew greatly in popularity during the time of the invasions. Many of the popular ideas associated with India: reincarnation, karma and Vedanta, come from this Vaishnavizing-Jainist trend. Of course if you hear this story from the Brahmin side, you'll likely get a very different story, but it sounds like the one you probably already heard.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Acausal pathless paths (was Re: Life As It Is)
On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: [snip] A causal path is a gradual path where the result may be glimpsed along the way, but the end result is in the future. Such paths can be described as having a structure View (the way-of-seeing) - Path - Fruit (or realization). What about acausal pathless paths? In a pathless path one gains the perspective or View of realization, the Fruit, from the beginning; and then applies the Fruit as the Path. Why bother? If you've got fruit you've got fruit. It's basically the difference between sudden realization vs. gradual realization. Some people have the capacity to realize their essential fruitiness :-) other have to plant a seed, grow a tree and wait for the fruit to ripen. Because you are glimpsing the result along the way? What way? Where do you glimpse the result, if not in the future? The way would be along the path. Seems to me causal path v acausal pathless paths is a difference that makes no difference. They're actually very different. Think about it for a while. Since the Path in this case is the Fruit, there really is no path per se, you're already there; that's why it's a pathless path. I only have some passing familiarity with Krishnamurti, they sound similar based on what I remember. I just remember reading some Krishnamurti when I was an avid TMer and I just remember being offended! Pretty funny how things change. I too remember reading Krishnamurti as an avid TMer. I was not the least bit offended. Funny how we differ. I was probably more of a TB than you. Avid = Vaj the TM TB.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: OK, this is a classic example of the *intent* I spoke of in a post last week, Thou shalt not suffer a TM critic to be thought well of. As I see it (and Vaj...I like you, guy, but I'm going to be almost as critical of you in this rap as I am of the pile on crew) the thread started with Vaj saying something that pushed EmptyBill's ego buttons and made him squeal Gotcha inwardly. He leaped into the fray with his normal *intent* and modus operandi, which is spiritual dick size contest. Another way of stating this intent and standard operating procedure is Gotcha you s.o.b. Nyh nyh I know more than you, and thus my spiritual dick is longer than yours. In any dispute between emptybill and vaj, emptybill is far more credible. Vaj constantly digs up obscure texts to denigrate Maharishi and invalidate TMer's practice and he does so by pontificating, lying and distorting whatever he happens to dig up. It's valid to ask, how does he find the time and why is he so addicted to such odious behavior? Since few people who post here know much about the convoluted hodgepodge of information Vaj writes about, he can lie cart blanche without much challenge. I am glad to see someone like emptybill come forward with the ability to argue Vaj point for point. However the moment emptybill shines a bright light on Vaj's lies, Vaj scurries away like a roach, too much of a coward to admit his distortions or defend his lies. It's interesting that the only two people so many folks on this forum accuse of habitually lying happen be the two biggest dick wavers ever to post on FFLife. Barry and Vaj, what a pair. To his discredit, Vaj often does the exact same thing. Who the fuck CARES what you guys know from what you have read about *other people's spiritual experiences*? Every time you two get into one of these armchair academic dick-size contests, I consider BOTH of your dicks smaller. Then the pile ons started. And that's an *intent* of a different color, in my opinion. Randy Meltzer contributed the only substance to the pile on followups. He cited his own exper- ience having been to Jyotir Math. I have no problem with this, although in a followup it appears that, like EmptyBill, Randy has an ongoing grudge against Vaj based on some interaction in the past. But the *rest* of the pile-on folks? They had one and only one *intent* -- Gotta demonize the TM critic. Judy, as usual, contributed nothing of substance. She can't. She is neither intelligent enough nor experienced enough in these topics *to* contribute substance. So she did what she always does, and used it to play Gotcha against Vaj. The idea being sold to lurkers here is, If EmptyBill 'caught' Vaj in one mistake or 'lie,' then you should not believe *anything* Vaj says. Then, having had her TM critic demonization orgasm for the day, she lights a cigarette and kicks back. :-) Nabby is even less intelligent, and has even less experience in the spiritual marketplace, so all he can contribute is a mis-understanding of and misquoting of All hat, no cattle. Again, there is no attempt to contribute anything of substance, only the *intent* to demonize a TM critic. Next comes shukra69, contributing nothing more than a dig at Buddhism. Again, the *intent* is clear. Add no substance, just pile on to play demonize the TM critic. Share a cigarette afterwards with Judy. :-) Then comes Shemp, making the only funny comment in the whole thread. Well said, Shemp. I com- pletely agree with you. Clean *intent* there. Then comes (sadly) Lurk. His point may be accurate, that Vaj *does* bail from the endless dick-size contests that EmptyBill trots out, but who wouldn't? Then comes Raunchydog, again with zero content, only the compulsive *intent* of piling on to a TM critic. Then comes Robert, doing the same thing. ARE YOU PEOPLE DERANGED? Yes, Vaj pisses people off. Yes, Vaj has a 'tude- and-a-half about TM and its followers. But do you think that YOUR Gotta get him 'tude is any better or more evolved? The only thing sadder in my opinion than two supposedly grown men confusing truth with the stuff that they've read in books is believing that the truth they prefer has anything to do with the size of their dicks. It doesn't. Only the size of their egos. And the only thing sadder than *that* is people who act as spectators to the dick-size contest and pile on when they perceive one of the participants as losing. What does THAT say about their state of consciousness, eh?
[FairfieldLife] Acausal pathless paths (was Re: Life As It Is)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [snip] A causal path is a gradual path where the result may be glimpsed along the way, but the end result is in the future. Such paths can be described as having a structure View (the way-of-seeing) - Path - Fruit (or realization). What about acausal pathless paths? In a pathless path one gains the perspective or View of realization, the Fruit, from the beginning; and then applies the Fruit as the Path. Why bother? If you've got fruit you've got fruit. It's basically the difference between sudden realization vs. gradual realization. Some people have the capacity to realize their essential fruitiness :-) other have to plant a seed, grow a tree and wait for the fruit to ripen. Much more comprehensible. By comparison acausal pathless paths is just pompous. Some musicians have perfect pitch; some have to work at it. The former are not on an acausal pathless path and the use of such pseudo- analytical language is hardly going to help anyone tune their guitar? [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
Let's remind ourselves of how this dispute over whether the Shankaracharya order is Vaishnavite or Shivaite began (in post #220372): - [Marek wrote:] Like Judy pointed out, it's totally common for Indian devotees to extol assumed enlightened saints and gurus with over the top honorifics, and the idea that one of Maharishi's early followers gave him that designation out of their own reverence and pride. [Vaj responded:] While that is a possibility and worth investigating further, if you examine Sanskrit-Hindu literature, esp. in Vaishnavite groups like the Shankaracharya, you'll see it's typical to have a sannyasi name as the primary title, with additions to this name given by the guru (e.g. Yogananda's guru gave him the title Paramahamsa indicating that he believed him to belong to a certain class of yogins, a paramahamsa). You can see this trend going back as into the middle ages. A list of many other Hindu commercial gurus reveals this same pattern. While honorifics like 'His Holiness' may be added out of devotion to one's guru, in Mahesh's instance we definitely know this was not the case. - Now look at Vaj's tortured defense of his position. As strained as it is, even if it were *valid*, it wouldn't provide any additional support for Vaj's extremely shaky claim that MMY was somehow dishonest to allow his followers to refer to him as Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 1, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Randy Meltzer wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Vaj, Again you make the statement that the tradition is not Shaivite. On what basis are you saying this? Have you been to Jyotir Math? Have you been to Guru Dev's ashram in Allahabad? It would seem not. Because if you had been there, it would be obvious. Even the sandalwood tilak on Guru Dev's face is shaivite style, not vaishnavite. The vaishnavites always wear their tilak in a vertical style. Shaivaites always horizontal. Where did you specifically find out that the shankaracharya order is vaishnavite? Please mention specifics? Bhaja Govindam is not a good argument. In India many people sing that. Next, you will be telling me that the Kedarnath temple in the Himalayas is a Vaishnavite temple. And the again I will state for the record that Shankara is a name of Shiva. Anyone in India knows that. But perhaps you are right and I am wrong. I guess my 16 trips there taught me nothing. Yes, I did say it again. I'm not going to lie. But at the same time, I've seen the same thing with numerous people associated with Vedic and puritanical Hindu movements. I spent a good amount of time involved with the Shankarcharya of the south and got to observe the inner workings close enough that I'm familiar with their workings. The Smartas are very inclusive, so they do not reject Shiva but they are not a Shaivite line. Being basically Brahmin, they have their version of history, told from their point of view. Yes, Shankara is a adjective of Shiva and some people do even consider Shankara an incarnation of Shiva. Of course some Shaivite lines also consider him a demon and destroyer. There are even tantric works attributed to Shankara which believers believe to actually be by Adi-Shankara. Historians however recognize that these come from a later date than Adi-Shankara. What some people aren't aware of is that orgs like the Shankaracharya while essentially deriving from Upanshadic thought and the Vedas, they also amalgamated a certain number of other sects which was part of a trend whereby older sects were brought into the newer Vedic ones. Really by the time of Shankara, the amalgamation of what was left of Vedic religion had already developed a symbiotic relationship with earlier forms of ecstatic religion like Shaivism. For that reason you can go to many Hindu temples and for one purpose they'll do a Vedic rite, for another they'll do a tantric one. But it's a sanitized, ritualized presentation of Shiva set in a puritanical religion. The original Shaivite gnosis was an ecstatic religion of the countryside, on the fringes of society. It's most recent revival would have been around time of Christ with the Shaivite saint Lakulisha who was considered the 28th avatar of Shiva. His followers considered him the last of the avatars mentioned in the Puranas. Most of these lines were oral, that is they were not written down and if they did, most existed in Dravidian languages. The Shaiva gnosis of Lakulisha was to last about a thousand years. A period of invasions by the Hun and the adherents of Islam put a stop to Shaivisms expansions. The Brahmans for a long, long time represented the dominant intellectual class began to gradually take over the various philosophical and scientific conceptions of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
Vaj wrote: Because the guru-parampara originates with Narayana and Shankara was a Vaishnavite... In the Adwaita parampara, the term Narayana means, 'man', that is, the Transcendental Person, the Purusha. ...Sankara, who is regarded as an incarnation of Siva. Adwaita Vedanta: http://tinyurl.com/y3343z Have you read Shankara's Bhaja Govindam? Among the independent philosophical treatises, only Upades'asa-hasri- is accepted as authentic by modern academic scholars. Adi Shankara: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Shankara
[FairfieldLife] Re: USA, ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, NEW LASER = ??? US lab debuts super laser!!!!
Rick Archer r...@... wrote: scientists say it could deliver breakthroughs in safe fusion power. This would have been impressive before the publication of The Scientist, the madman, the thief and their lightbulb and the launching of the free ebook at http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk Uns
[FairfieldLife] Acausal pathless paths (was Re: Life As It Is)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It's basically the difference between sudden realization vs. gradual realization. Some people have the capacity to realize their essential fruitiness :-) other have to plant a seed, grow a tree and wait for the fruit to ripen. Much more comprehensible. By comparison acausal pathless paths is just pompous. Some musicians have perfect pitch; some have to work at it. The former are not on an acausal pathless path and the use of such pseudo-analytical language is hardly going to help anyone tune their guitar? Plus which, it's *still* just semantics with reference to the original issue as to whether there are any paths that aren't selling a modified future. One way or another, they all do--including the acausal pathless path--as Alex suggested to start with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Acausal pathless paths (was Re: Life As It Is)
On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Richard M wrote: Much more comprehensible. By comparison acausal pathless paths is just pompous. Some musicians have perfect pitch; some have to work at it. The former are not on an acausal pathless path and the use of such pseudo- analytical language is hardly going to help anyone tune their guitar? Well it's redundant. You could say acasual path or pathless path.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help for BillyG
do.rflex wrote: Help for BillyG... Manning claims he didn't peddle the phoney gay accusation vidoe. We'll let the readers be the judge. And I quote from a Manning Post dated June 24, 2000 (note his use of we to describe the making and the bringing out of the video)... Read more: Subject: You be the Judge Regarding Manning's Involvement in Slander Video From: Lunatic Fringe Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon Date: Thurs, Mar 17 2005 http://tinyurl.com/kr9b54 According to witnesses just like Joe Smith had witnesses - we now have video taped accounts of witnesses confirming Gordon B. Hinckley's sexual activities with young boys and prostitutes. His wife, with another observer, caught Joe porking another woman in the barn... Subject: According to witnesses From: John Manning Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon Date: 2000-11-21 00:29:47 PST
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Another way of stating this intent and standard operating procedure is Gotcha you s.o.b. Nyh nyh I know more than you, and thus my spiritual dick is longer than yours. snip It's interesting that the only two people so many folks on this forum accuse of habitually lying happen be the two biggest dick wavers ever to post on FFLife. Barry and Vaj, what a pair. Nailed. It's the hypocrisy, stupid.
[FairfieldLife] Acausal pathless paths (was Re: Life As It Is)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It's basically the difference between sudden realization vs. gradual realization. Some people have the capacity to realize their essential fruitiness :-) other have to plant a seed, grow a tree and wait for the fruit to ripen. Much more comprehensible. By comparison acausal pathless paths is just pompous. Some musicians have perfect pitch; some have to work at it. The former are not on an acausal pathless path and the use of such pseudo-analytical language is hardly going to help anyone tune their guitar? Plus which, it's *still* just semantics with reference to the original issue as to whether there are any paths that aren't selling a modified future. One way or another, they all do--including the acausal pathless path--as Alex suggested to start with. Yes, quite so.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
On Jun 1, 2009, at 1:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Lurk, do *you* stay on the line when the person on the other end clearly has his dick out of his pants waving it around and saying, Can you match this, bozo? I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little tired of the heavy breathing on the other end of the line and hang up. :-) Then again, I am unimpressed with real academics in the field of spirituality, and even less so with armchair academics who play dueling sources in what are clearly oneupsmanship ego games. Your mileage may vary. If it does, I hope that the payoff you're waiting for...uh... measures up. :-) Hell hath not seen nor heaven created the one who can prevail against me! - Don Quixote, after his windmill escapade You gotta know when to hold up, know when to fold up... -Kenny Rogers, probably after knocking back a few Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
On Jun 1, 2009, at 5:59 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: OK, this is a classic example of the *intent* I spoke of in a post last week, Thou shalt not suffer a TM critic to be thought well of. As I see it (and Vaj...I like you, guy, but I'm going to be almost as critical of you in this rap as I am of the pile on crew) the thread started with Vaj saying something that pushed EmptyBill's ego buttons and made him squeal Gotcha inwardly. He leaped into the fray with his normal *intent* and modus operandi, which is spiritual dick size contest. Another way of stating this intent and standard operating procedure is Gotcha you s.o.b. Nyh nyh I know more than you, and thus my spiritual dick is longer than yours. To his discredit, Vaj often does the exact same thing. Who the fuck CARES what you guys know from what you have read about *other people's spiritual experiences*? Every time you two get into one of these armchair academic dick-size contests, I consider BOTH of your dicks smaller. That's why I typically ignore E. Bill's diatribes. They're similar to Judy's old diatribes in that their underlying intent seems to be to mischaracterize deliberately and lead one into a maze of misdirected points, while at the same time demonizing the person. When you sense the underlying intention, you realize 'why waste my time?'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 1, 2009, at 1:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Lurk, do *you* stay on the line when the person on the other end clearly has his dick out of his pants waving it around and saying, Can you match this, bozo? I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little tired of the heavy breathing on the other end of the line and hang up. :-) Then again, I am unimpressed with real academics in the field of spirituality, and even less so with armchair academics who play dueling sources in what are clearly oneupsmanship ego games. Your mileage may vary. If it does, I hope that the payoff you're waiting for...uh... measures up. :-) Hell hath not seen nor heaven created the one who can prevail against me! - Don Quixote, after his windmill escapade You gotta know when to hold up, know when to fold up... -Kenny Rogers, probably after knocking back a few [http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/mosquito.jpg] http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/mosquito.jpg http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/mosquito.jpg , for those who can't see it. :-) [http://www.freewebs.com/mosquilla/mosquitogibtoon3.gif] http://www.freewebs.com/mosquilla/mosquitogibtoon3.gif http://www.freewebs.com/mosquilla/mosquitogibtoon3.gif
[FairfieldLife] Boy chosen by Dalai Lama turns back on Buddhist order
As a toddler, he was put on a throne and worshipped as by monks who treated him like a god. But the boy chosen by the Dalai Lama as a reincarnation of a spiritual leader has caused consternation and some embarrassment for Tibetan Buddhists by turning his back on the order that had such high hopes for him. Instead of leading a monastic life, Osel Hita Torres now sports baggy trousers and long hair, and is more likely to quote Jimi Hendrix than Buddha. Yesterday he bemoaned the misery of a youth deprived of television, football and girls. Movies were also forbidden except for a sanctioned screening of The Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy, about a kidnapped child lama with magical powers. I never felt like that boy, he said. He is now studying film in Madrid and has denounced the Buddhist order that elevated him to guru status. They took me away from my family and stuck me in a medieval situation in which I suffered a great deal, said Torres, 24, describing how he was whisked from obscurity in Granada to a monastery in southern India. It was like living a lie, he told the Spanish newspaper El Mundo. Despite his rebelliousness, he is still known as Lama Tenzin Osel Rinpoche and revered by the Buddhist community. A prayer for his long life still adorns the website of the Foundation to Preserve the Mahayana Tradition, which has 130 centres around the world. The website features a biography of the renegade guru that gushes about his peaceful, meditative countenance as a baby. In Tibetan Buddhism, a lama is one of a lineage of reincarnated spiritual leaders, the most famous of which is the Dalai Lama. According to the foundation biography, another leader suspected Torres was the reincarnation of the recently deceased Lama Yeshe when he was only five months old. In 1986, at 14 months, his parents took him to see the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala, India. The toddler was chosen out of nine other candidates and eventually enthroned. At six, he was allowed to socialise only with other reincarnated souls though for a time he said he lived next to the actor Richard Gere's cabin. By 18, he had never seen couples kiss. His first disco experience was a shock. I was amazed to watch everyone dance. What were all those people doing, bouncing, stuck to one another, enclosed in a box full of smoke? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/31/dalai-lama-osel-hita-torres
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Yes, Shankara is a adjective of Shiva and some people do even consider Shankara an incarnation of Shiva. FWIW, 'shiva' also is originally an adjective, synonymous with 'shaMkara'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip That's why I typically ignore E. Bill's diatribes. They're similar to Judy's old diatribes in that their underlying intent seems to be to mischaracterize deliberately Says, Vaj, deliberately mischaracterizing the intent of my and EmptyBill's posts. and lead one into a maze of misdirected points, Translation: Points that identify how Vaj engineers his slams at MMY/TM/TMers/the TMO by constructing a web of falsehoods, misleading assertions, and/or irrelevancies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
On May 31, 2009, at 9:26 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Randy Meltzer rm...@... wrote: Any comments Vaj? I have noticed sometimes at this point the call gets dropped. Depends on a number of things really Lurk. A big one for me is 'what do I perceive as their underlying intention?'. Another is 'is this just another pile on post? I'm not a fan of digital rugby. Do I have enough time and is it worth it? It's also good to feel people are interested in responding to the topic, not just shooting off some obtuse remark. For any of these reasons I may decide not to waste my time. Randy seems like a guy interested in actually having an intelligent conversation and he's had some interesting things to share as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life As It Is
below --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 31, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Vaj, my friend, we need to talk. I'm wondering how your mind works when it comes to deciding if others are speaking truths and/or are speaking truly. There's a big difference between these two concepts, yes? I'm worried that I'll piss you off like I did with my Curtis and music post, but, please, let me ramble, will ya? You didn't piss me off Edg. I something'd you off. I still have your hand print vibrating in neon crimson welts on my face! Hee hee. Consider: If someone is bitching about what a TB thinks, they're griping about the content of someone else's here and now. To me, everyone is always reporting about their experience of living in the here and now -- obviously, right? Unless of course they're reporting based on attachment or worry about the past or future. To me, whether or not they are attached to a POV is secondary to the fact that they think they're speaking truly about their experiences. The blind man who thinks that he truly knows may be fooling himself, but I want to hear what his delusion is in detail no matter what. I may eventually discount any conclusions by him if I see that he is not practiced in how to observe, but I'm willing to listen to a lot of drivel before I come to that conclusion. Nab's point of view, though heavily dependent upon the tactic of spew TMO dogma, does reveal that he's tracking the debates enough to toss his pre-recorded pronouncements into the ring. It's redundant, but it does tell us about his ways of thinking about the issues, such that we get to see how such a mind reconciles itself to information that doesn't easily conform to his dogma. He's more like a blind man standing next to his best friend, say, Maharishi -- also a blind man, who is reporting about an elephant and then merely parroting what his friend says. After enough of this, I've come to discount Nab's view almost entirely, but I had to give him his 15 minutes at the microphone, see? To me, the here and now is always attended. A thought about the past is occuring NOW...not in the past. A thought about the future, ditto. The fact that there's someone inside a mind and reporting about a stream of consciousness seems overwhelmingly more important than the content of the mind. Nab's empty echoing is irritating, but the awareness from which that echoing manifests cannot be rightly besmirched. God is behind every mask. Maybe not a God who lives forever, but at least a central authority of a body/mind whose intent is, by definition, holy -- meaning an intent to become whole that seems to be the birthright of every human. I do not want to be smarmy about Nab's struggles to become whole despite my conclusion that he's got a long way to go. He is on a path as much as I'm on a path, and, frankly, I do not have any hope of knowing where his OR MY path is leading or how far either of us is along that path. To the degree that I assert my own certainties such that I invalidate those of others, I'm okay with my debating, but when I slip into personal attacks that write off Nab's inner spirit's intent to fully manifest, then I'm sinning in my own eyes. I have sinned here, and I hope to do better in this regard. Willy, Nab, Off, Shemp, youse guys gots souls and to that I bow. No matter what the extremely recent content of the mind may be, reporting about such is dead dog's teeth being attended in that the mind's branch jumping monkey habit is to go to the best aspect of any moment of consciousness. Even a homeless person, drunk on the street, can be found to be attending the euphoric sensations -- to those fruits instead of all the other kinds of thoughts he/she might have. In the line to the Nazi showers, those minds surely had monkeys jumping to it's just a shower, or even, what a bright sunny day. Are not TBs allowed to have just such fruits too in their lives? Do we need to poke everyone in the line and tell them they're going to be killed? Whatever anyone posts here is what it is -- a product of a mind that's being attended by a witness. The products of consciousness are necessarily subject to the challenge that the blind men faced when reporting their conclusions about an elephant. Therefore, anyone's opinion is truth as they know it. It simply cannot be a bad thing if folks share their truths so that a whole elephant might be grasped with clarity. They are speaking truly, but not necessarily about truth. If I am a TB, and I'm thinking something like: The world is a terrible place and only the TM technique can save it, that's a thought I'm having right now about the world's elephant, and if I'm mindful of that thought then I'm as fully reporting my here and now's processing as anyone else is reporting their attending of their own
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: In any dispute between emptybill and vaj, emptybill is far more credible. Vaj constantly digs up obscure texts to denigrate Maharishi and invalidate TMer's practice and he does so by pontificating, lying and distorting whatever he happens to dig up. It's valid to ask, how does he find the time and why is he so addicted to such odious behavior? Both he and the Turqey seems to be at it fulltime. FFL is not the only forum they are participating in. Since few people who post here know much about the convoluted hodgepodge of information Vaj writes about, he can lie cart blanche without much challenge. I am glad to see someone like emptybill come forward with the ability to argue Vaj point for point. However the moment emptybill shines a bright light on Vaj's lies, Vaj scurries away like a roach, too much of a coward to admit his distortions or defend his lies. It's interesting that the only two people so many folks on this forum accuse of habitually lying happen be the two biggest dick wavers ever to post on FFLife. Barry and Vaj, what a pair. And both happen to Buddhists. Says a lot about Buddhism these days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
Yes, Shankara is a adjective of Shiva and some people do even consider Shankara an incarnation of Shiva. cardemaister wrote: FWIW, 'shiva' also is originally an adjective, synonymous with 'shaMkara'... So, 'Mahesh' means 'Shiva', and 'Shiva' means 'Sankara', all adjectives.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Both he andthe Turqey seems to be at it fulltime. FFL is not the only forum they are participating in. Name another one for me, and provide a link to it. Or apologize. The only other spiritual forums I participate in are by invitation only and you could not possibly have knowledge of them. You're making shit up again, Nabby. Typical TM honesty. [http://www.topnews.in/health/files/mosquito_malaria.jpg] http://www.topnews.in/health/files/mosquito_malaria.jpg http://www.topnews.in/health/files/mosquito_malaria.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Boy chosen by Dalai Lama turns back on Buddhist order
do.rflex wrote: The Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy... By 18, he had never seen couples kiss... Maybe Osel was sleeping during some of the scenes in 'The Golden Child'. Go figure. His first disco experience was a shock. I was amazed to watch everyone dance. What were all those people doing, bouncing, stuck to one another, enclosed in a box full of smoke? Maybe Osel was sleeping when all the monks at Sera were dancing and burning all the smoky incense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3JLbFvrZ3Q
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
Both he andthe Turqey seems to be at it fulltime. FFL is not the only forum they are participating in. TurquoiseB wrote: Name another one for me, and provide a link to it. Or apologize. The only other spiritual forums I participate in are by invitation only and you could not possibly have knowledge of them. So, which other spiritual forums do you participate in? You're making shit up again, Nabby. Typical TM honesty. So, why didn't you tell us that you were participating in other spiritual forums? You could be just trolling FFL, trying to get some attention.
[FairfieldLife] Just 11% of Republicans are Hispanic or Non-White
The Dallas Morning News earlier this year called Hispanic Republicans an endangered species, and new Republican Party chief Michael Steele, the GOP's first black chairman, has said that the party must broaden its appeal, but a Gallup poll conducted May 1-27 shows just how daunting a task that may be. The survey said only 11 percent of Republicans are Hispanics or blacks or members of other races. More than six in 10 are white conservatives and the rest whites with other ideological leanings. That compares with 36 percent of Democrats who are Hispanics or non-white and 27 percent of independents. Gallup's analysis: Does the Republican Party in essence stick to the knitting and cling to its core conservative principles? Or should the Republicans make an effort to expand their base -- among whites who are moderate or less religious, and/or the various nonwhite groups who to this point are largely ignoring the Republican Party in favor of the Democrats? The decision the party makes in response to this question could be pivotal in helping determine its future. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2009/06/only-11-percent-of-republicans.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 31, 2009, at 9:26 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Randy Meltzer rm108@ wrote: Any comments Vaj? I have noticed sometimes at this point the call gets dropped. Depends on a number of things really Lurk. A big one for me is 'what do I perceive as their underlying intention?'. Another is 'is this just another pile on post? I'm not a fan of digital rugby. Do I have enough time and is it worth it? It's also good to feel people are interested in responding to the topic, not just shooting off some obtuse remark. For any of these reasons I may decide not to waste my time. Randy seems like a guy interested in actually having an intelligent conversation and he's had some interesting things to share as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 31, 2009, at 9:26 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Randy Meltzer rm108@ wrote: Any comments Vaj? I have noticed sometimes at this point the call gets dropped. Depends on a number of things really Lurk. A big one for me is 'what do I perceive as their underlying intention?'. Another is 'is this just another pile on post? I'm not a fan of digital rugby. Do I have enough time and is it worth it? It's also good to feel people are interested in responding to the topic, not just shooting off some obtuse remark. For any of these reasons I may decide not to waste my time. Randy seems like a guy interested in actually having an intelligent conversation and he's had some interesting things to share as well. Thanks Vaj for saying that. I am not here to do the pile on Vaj thing. Its just when you make statements like the shankaracharya order is Vaishnavite and my experience is s the oposite I had to chime in. And yes, I did have a small axe to grind about you as someone pointed out in a previous post, because I felt your comments in the past about my experiences were disrespectful. In any case, its nothing personal. Just trying to keep the facts staight
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
TurquoiseB wrote: The only other spiritual forums I participate in are by invitation only and you could not possibly have knowledge of them... So, which other spiritual forums do you participate in? alt.support.ex-cult
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Both he andthe Turqey seems to be at it fulltime. FFL is not the only forum they are participating in. Name another one for me, and provide a link to it. Or apologize. Why should he apologize, even if he's wrong? You've never apologized to me for your many lies about how I've stalked you from forum to forum, and you *knew* they weren't true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Both he andthe Turqey seems to be at it fulltime. FFL is not the only forum they are participating in. Name another one for me, and provide a link to it. Or apologize. Why should he apologize, even if he's wrong? You've never apologized to me for your many lies about how I've stalked you from forum to forum, and you *knew* they weren't true. He's a liar. As if that comes as a surprize to anyone. The Turkey has several times mentioned on FFL that he is posting on other forums as well. The Turkey and Vaj, both self-proclaimed Buddhists, are fulltime TM-haters. A fellow that post 7 long posts, mostly against TM/TMO, EVERY DAY, in addition to posting elswhere against TM/TMO probably has no other job. It seems the Buddhist world is very anxious about the TM success in countries like Thailand. They have no other weapon than to try to spread confusion. Classical ageofignorance-thinking, nothing new. Given the level and intelligence amongst the posters on FFL and the resistance they receive from posters here they are not doing a very good job. These fellows are professionals; poor ones I'd say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turqalingam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptyb...@... wrote: Turqalingam So sorry for your ever deepening sadness. MY deepening sadness? Take a look at the photo you posted of yourself, dude. It's actually used as the illustration on the Wikipedia page for uptight. Up-Tight From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Uptight http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uptightredirect=no ) [Empty Bill] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/8\ 04354802/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=21count=20dir=asc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/\ 804354802/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=21count=20dir=asc One might suggest (as I have to someone else recently) that thou shouldst consider removing the roofing beam from thy own butt before suggesting that anyone else hath a stick up their own. Or that they're sadder than thou. Honestly, dude...Leonard Cohen looks happier than you do. And acts it. [:o)]
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Penis: The Size Issue'
[:o)] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: I was speaking to someone who seemed quite knowledgeable, on the subject... Low and behold, he told me in Ancient Greece... The think was to have a smaller penis, was indicative of a more refined physiology, and one who would be more devoted to the spirit and intellect... For ones with large size penis', that supposedly was a sign of barbarianism... For the record, this is not the first time I have been referred to as a barbarian. [:o)]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Boy chosen by Dalai Lama turns back on Buddhist order
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: As a toddler, he was put on a throne and worshipped as by monks who treated him like a god. But the boy chosen by the Dalai Lama as a reincarnation of a spiritual leader has caused consternation and some embarrassment for Tibetan Buddhists by turning his back on the order that had such high hopes for him. Instead of leading a monastic life, Osel Hita Torres now sports baggy trousers and long hair, and is more likely to quote Jimi Hendrix than Buddha. Yesterday he bemoaned the misery of a youth deprived of television, football and girls. Movies were also forbidden except for a sanctioned screening of The Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy, about a kidnapped child lama with magical powers. I never felt like that boy, he said. He is now studying film in Madrid and has denounced the Buddhist order that elevated him to guru status. They took me away from my family and stuck me in a medieval situation in which I suffered a great deal, said Torres, 24, describing how he was whisked from obscurity in Granada to a monastery in southern India. It was like living a lie, he told the Spanish newspaper El Mundo. Despite his rebelliousness, he is still known as Lama Tenzin Osel Rinpoche and revered by the Buddhist community. A prayer for his long life still adorns the website of the Foundation to Preserve the Mahayana Tradition, which has 130 centres around the world. The website features a biography of the renegade guru that gushes about his peaceful, meditative countenance as a baby. In Tibetan Buddhism, a lama is one of a lineage of reincarnated spiritual leaders, the most famous of which is the Dalai Lama. According to the foundation biography, another leader suspected Torres was the reincarnation of the recently deceased Lama Yeshe when he was only five months old. In 1986, at 14 months, his parents took him to see the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala, India. The toddler was chosen out of nine other candidates and eventually enthroned. At six, he was allowed to socialise only with other reincarnated souls though for a time he said he lived next to the actor Richard Gere's cabin. By 18, he had never seen couples kiss. His first disco experience was a shock. I was amazed to watch everyone dance. What were all those people doing, bouncing, stuck to one another, enclosed in a box full of smoke? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/31/dalai-lama-osel-hita-torres How strange are the practices of humans forcing their will on someone who obviously is not into what they want him to be into... Each time a soul reincarnates, offers a new opportunity to discover for themselves the best way to take what they have, good and bad, and make it into a successful lifetime for themselves... To force someone into taking a position, that they do not want... This was the life of Buddha himself... He didn't want the life, he was born into...he left that life, to pursue his own destiny... That's why they call him 'The Buddha'... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Penis: The Size Issue'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [:o)] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: I was speaking to someone who seemed quite knowledgeable, on the subject... Low and behold, he told me in Ancient Greece... The think was to have a smaller penis, was indicative of a more refined physiology, and one who would be more devoted to the spirit and intellect... For ones with large size penis', that supposedly was a sign of barbarianism... For the record, this is not the first time I have been referred to as a barbarian. [:o)] Dear Turq, I was not referring to you as a Barbarian... Really, this comment was not directed at you, but was just a report on what someone told me in a conversation, at the Student Union, at the University of Wisconsin, this past Saturday... And my comment was a joke, Robert. A joke. A true joke, as it turns out, but a joke nonetheless. [:o)] Lord knows we all want to have a bigger penis... Speak for yourself, dude. As I said, it's a true joke. WHY do you think I can get away with being the lecherous old fart I'm characterized as being? Likeability? Look around at this discussion group. That ain't the reason. [:o)] But, as you point out with regard to the Russian guy, Size doesn't matter. On the other hand, if you're not facing a return to prison, merely a return to...uh...from whence one comes, hoping to do so again, it doesn't hurt, either. At least not me. [:o)] I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one. - anonymous
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turqalingam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptybill@ wrote: Turqalingam So sorry for your ever deepening sadness. MY deepening sadness? Take a look at the photo you posted of yourself, dude. It's actually used as the illustration on the Wikipedia page for uptight. Barry really, REALLY doesn't like to be laughed at...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turqalingam
TurquoiseB wrote: Honestly, dude...Leonard Cohen looks happier than you do. Existential angst?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turqalingam
Judy wrote: Barry really, REALLY doesn't like to be laughed at...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turqalingam
billy jim wrote: Turqalingam... Uncle Tantra (UT) is suffering from acute Narcissism. Because he dropped-out of both TM and Rama's program he needs to rewrite history and trash religious groups that he once belonged to. Yet at the same time he needs to show-off to current followers and write spiritual essays of the same teachers he trashes in private. By engaging in this neurotic contradiction any personal failures are covered-up by UT's dual positions. Uncle Tantra's ego can instead present to others the image he clings to: a great writer, an advanced spiritual seeker that has gone into Samadhi, and the hip 60's Jungian wise-old man persona that he so pathetically attempts to cultivate in his ramblings and even through his name Uncle Tantra... Read more: Subject: Uncle Tantra - An analysis From: Garuda Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.dreams.castaneda, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy Date: Wed, May 7 2003 http://tinyurl.com/krxdnp
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turqalingam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Judy wrote: Barry really, REALLY doesn't like to be laughed at... One must assume that this is Willytex's belated attempt to show what he looks like. And possibly what his gay lover looks like. [:o)] Just funnin' around, Richard. In all honesty, though, compare and contrast this photo -- or, for that matter *any* of the photos posted to the FFL Members page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/l\ ist http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/\ list and think to yourself, Self, is there *any* face I could possibly make that would look as ugly as the one below? To the credit of the other posters to this forum, I think we can all agree that the answer is a big, fat NO. Try as we might, screw our faces up as *much* as we might, NONE of the rest of us could achieve this: [Barry's fantasy image of Judy] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/1\ 624549388/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=21count=20dir=asc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/\ 1624549388/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=21count=20dir=asc\ And she honestly thought that it was a joke. I guess it was...kinda...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just 11% of Republicans are Hispanic or Non-White
do.rflex wrote: The decision the party makes in response to this question could be pivotal in helping determine its future... Since Obama is one of the few people to ever vote to allow an actually born baby to die, ex utero, I view him as particularly heinous. Sort of the Mengele of the left, if you will. - Rob Read more comments: 'The War on The War on Abortion' By Megan McArdle Atlantic, June 1, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/nmp35u
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turqalingam
TurquoiseB wrote: One must assume that this is Willytex's belated attempt to show what he looks like... Illuminati http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turqalingam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Judy wrote: Barry really, REALLY doesn't like to be laughed at... One must assume that this is Willytex's belated attempt to show what he looks like. And possibly what his gay lover looks like. [:o)] Just funnin' around, Richard. In all honesty, though, compare and contrast this photo -- or, for that matter *any* of the photos posted to the FFL Members page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/l\ ist http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/\ list and think to yourself, Self, is there *any* face I could possibly make that would look as ugly as the one below? To the credit of the other posters to this forum, I think we can all agree that the answer is a big, fat NO. Try as we might, screw our faces up as *much* as we might, NONE of the rest of us could achieve this: Barry really, really, REALLY doesn't like to be laughed at! [Barry's fantasy image of Judy] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/1\ 624549388/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=21count=20dir=asc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/408557067/pic/\ 1624549388/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=21count=20dir=asc\ And she honestly thought that it was a joke. I guess it was...kinda...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
raunchydog wrote: It's interesting that the only two people so many folks on this forum accuse of habitually lying happen be the two biggest dick wavers ever to post on FFLife. Barry and Vaj, what a pair... Mahesh will never come here as he would be arrested. In fact, there's a lot of places he cannot go for fear of being arrested. Such is the life of criminals... Read more: Subject: Re: Why is FFL so much into now I've got you, you s.o.b.? From: Vaj Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December 28, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/nmarz8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turqalingam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Judy wrote: Barry really, REALLY doesn't like to be laughed at... One must assume that this is Willytex's belated attempt to show what he looks like. And possibly what his gay lover looks like. Here, apparently, is an actual photo of Willy Tex from one of his web pages when he used to refer to himself as the punditster' at alt.meditation.transcendental. Check it out: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/listen.htm
[FairfieldLife] FFL In The Month of June
As a meditator in FF, June comes `round as a favored month here. June comes along with the annual tours of the saints here. Is always one of the best months of the year to be in FF. June this year has Karunamayi, Mother Meera, and Ammachi make their visits. Coming through within a two week time towards the end of June. Is a good really fine time to visit back to Fairfield and be in the meditating community with this. Is very special and Spiritual. Comes around always as a fabulous time to meditate in FF. Catch it if you can, -Doug in FF I hope Fairfield is having a beautiful day today. I have wonderful memories from my youth of the Midwest in May. Yeah, is a beautiful and pleasing May here in Iowa now. Woodland flowers done their full thing. Trees and understory have come out green good now. Fields tilled and crops mostly planted. Rain showers next few days. That should make everything sprout forth. 1st cutting of hay making is upon us.
[FairfieldLife] Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
Here are the two photos that she chose to represent herself on this forum: [Barry's fantasy image of Judy] [Judy Stein] I ask you...is there an appreciable difference between the two photos? If you feel that there is, please con- sider the words of the poster to this forum whom Raunchydog and enlightened_dawn11 and others have referred to as a great writer. Let's hear what *he* has to say (as badly formatted as ever) about Ms. Stein's appearance, and what it might say about the karma of the life she has chosen to live: The Sagging Jowled Spewer of Tamas All the below is my opinion. Judy, IMO, you're blasting me for the GREAT SIN of having had polite conversations with Barry and thereby, IMO, you've decided that I'm to be a target of yours. So, probably it's no surprise to anyone here that you've played your same ol' same ol' card, nor will it surprise anyone, IMO, that since I didn't sing your praises for your hating of Turq, that now, yep, I'm a bad guy too. The word hating is my opinion, but maybe I should just ask you straight out: do you hate Turq? If not, what is the emotion you're having that promotes such obsessive counter punching? It sure ain't any form of tough love. It sure ain't sattvic. If Turq is the loser you seem to think he is, well, then he's so lost, so out-of-it, that shame on you for picking on the insane. If you are attacking him like you do and if you are thinking he's not insane, then you must be thinking he's evil -- worthy of hating. If you're thinking that the word evil is okay then, you really are in trouble to be projecting such. IMO, you've been wanting a chance to really lay into me; in fact, IT SEEMS for some time now you've festered. So don't be coy; be the hag that IMO you seem to want to be. If you are a hag, show your true face here -- the photograph that I've seen of you here online is wrinkled with, IMO, angst-plowed troughs in blotched skin -- a face of simmering hate brought on by endless grimacing that I seem to see daily worn by you here. If you continue to attack me, I will be inspired to disclose what, IMO, is your general ugliness, and I'm betting that I will find and cite post after post of yours that plainly shows stupidity, mean-heartedness, egoic attachment to falsities, failed spirituality, general all around low esteem, a self image of inconsequentiality, and deep fears such as I'm an old woman seeing death around the corner, and all I can do is strike out at others in blind panic. After all, I've seen what was purported to be your photograph, and if that wasn't you, well, it sure seemed to be a good match for the spiritual degredation that you've shown here. Your photograph, IMO, is reason enough for you to change your name and stop posting anywhere on the Internet. IMO, you must have not had any love in your life for at least a decade -- given the sad, depressed countenance that I think was plainly showing in your photograph. I've seen similar faces sitting in the day rooms of the mental hospitals where I gave first lectures. If you are insane, of course, then I pity you and take back any assertions or opinions of mindful evil on your part. Seems mindful to me though. And, if mindful, then you're up for the Skank of Fairfield Life award. For all your intelligence and perceptiveness, IMO, you're stupid and blind in your angry obsessions. Now, trot out your naughty words about me again; call me a liar or fuckhead if you want to. It'll be like you are my creative writing instructor telling me what essay I should next write about The Sagging Jowled Spewer of Tamas. Those who've known you in so many of your online incarnations can fill me in perhaps, and I'll just love putting those stories into my own words. Funzies! All of the above is MY OPINION about your inner and outer moral and spiritual worth. In a word, decrepitude. Turn about's fair play; how's it working for you? Want more? Got tons, just ask. Edg
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[FairfieldLife] Fw: From Russia - with love [4 Attachments]
--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Jennifer Stastny jenni...@portofvictoria.com wrote: From: Jennifer Stastny jenni...@portofvictoria.com Subject: From Russia - with love To: Jennifer Stastny es...@suddenlink.net Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:33 PM From of all places - PRAVDA! Scary when the leading publication of the Communist Party back in the heyday of Communist rule can see and understand what so many in this country cannot. American capitalism gone with a whimper 27.04.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru URL: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0 It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people. True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists. Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters. First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their right to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our democracy. Pride blind the foolish. Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different branches and denominations were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the winning side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the winning side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America. The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe. These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them? These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters. Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of pure free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions. So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a bold move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too.. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our wise Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride. Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a freeman whimper. So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Randy Meltzer wrote: Depends on a number of things really Lurk. A big one for me is 'what do I perceive as their underlying intention?'. Another is 'is this just another pile on post? I'm not a fan of digital rugby. Do I have enough time and is it worth it? It's also good to feel people are interested in responding to the topic, not just shooting off some obtuse remark. For any of these reasons I may decide not to waste my time. Randy seems like a guy interested in actually having an intelligent conversation and he's had some interesting things to share as well. Thanks Vaj for saying that. I am not here to do the pile on Vaj thing. Its just when you make statements like the shankaracharya order is Vaishnavite and my experience is s the oposite I had to chime in. And yes, I did have a small axe to grind about you as someone pointed out in a previous post, because I felt your comments in the past about my experiences were disrespectful. In any case, its nothing personal. Just trying to keep the facts staight I think the crux of the issue Randy is that you saw Shiva worship going on at the Maths and so assumed the lineage was Shaivite (even though it's not), but it's more accurate to say the Smartas had a very all-embracing view of Hinduism, and that's also probably why Shankara's line was so incredibly popular, eventually helping to dowse Buddhism's spread (although I'm sure the invasions also helped create a surge in Hindu nationalism and an appreciation of Hinduism's own diversity). They later even integrated Shakta practices, so it's rather profound what they did. I was hoping now that you've shared that you've been to a number of the Maths, you'd also share some of your experiences there. Seriously.
[FairfieldLife] ...they can create anything, they can uncreate anything, they can do anything.
'One thing that Maharishi explained,' Dr Morris continued, 'was that the sounds used in the Vedic Yagya http://www.maharishiyagya.org/yagya/index.html performances are from the four Veda http://www.vedicknowledge.com/nader.html : Rk, Sama, Yajur, and Atharva, and they are Nitya, eternal, and Apaurusheya, uncreatednot made by human beings. They are the eternal sounds of the Transcendent, the field of silence flowing within itself. 'Maharishi said when the Vedic Pandits http://www.vedicpandits.org/ are functioning at this level, the level where all the Laws of Nature that cause all transformations in the universe are operating, and are using the traditional formulae in the Veda, they can create anything, they can uncreate anything, they can do anything. And this is what makes the Maharishi Jyotish and Yagya Programme so effectivebecause it reaches through the transcendental field to the target.' http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=124361665015520122 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=124361665015520122\
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
Barry REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, *REALLY* doesn't like to be laughed at... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Here are the two photos that she chose to represent herself on this forum: Oopsie. Barry, the computer expert, couldn't manage to get more than a small piece of the top of the second photo to show up in his post, nor did any of his commentary or his quote from Edg's old post appear, at least on the Web site. Not being a computer expert like Barry, I don't know how to get even a piece of a photo into a post, but here's the URL for the one that *wasn't* making fun of him--the one he, er, scalped (Freudian, much?): http://tinyurl.com/nmb3xh This was my response at the time, BTW, to Edg's remarks on the photo: - Only three possibilities here that I can see: (1) There's something badly wrong either with your monitor or your eyes. (2) You're hallucinating. (3) You've been looking at the photo I posted called Barry's fantasy image of Judy. - snip Let's hear what *he* has to say (as badly formatted as ever) about Ms. Stein's appearance, and what it might say about the karma of the life she has chosen to live: What *Edg's* commentary on my appearance might say about *my* karma?? I think you miswrote, Barry. Try to calm down, then have another go.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I ask you...is there an appreciable difference between the two photos? Of course. One is making a face, the other is smiling. What is the purpose of your post? Nothing good that I can see. If you feel that there is, please con- sider the words of the poster to this forum whom Raunchydog and enlightened_dawn11 and others have referred to as a great writer. Let's hear what *he* has to say (as badly formatted as ever) about Ms. Stein's appearance, and what it might say about the karma of the life she has chosen to live: Edg's response went over the edge. He may have felt goaded, but his post is ugly. Is the purpose of this forum just to spew at each other, showing how unenlightened we are? Does anyone feel good after any of these exchanges? I hope not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:05 AM, raunchydog wrote: In any dispute between emptybill and vaj, emptybill is far more credible. Vaj constantly digs up obscure texts to denigrate Maharishi and invalidate TMer's practice and he does so by pontificating, lying and distorting whatever he happens to dig up. It's valid to ask, how does he find the time and why is he so addicted to such odious behavior? Since few people who post here know much about the convoluted hodgepodge of information Vaj writes about, he can lie cart blanche without much challenge. I am glad to see someone like emptybill come forward with the ability to argue Vaj point for point. However the moment emptybill shines a bright light on Vaj's lies, Vaj scurries away like a roach, too much of a coward to admit his distortions or defend his lies. It's interesting that the only two people so many folks on this forum accuse of habitually lying happen be the two biggest dick wavers ever to post on FFLife. Barry and Vaj, what a pair. Quite the opposite Raunchy, I won't respond to someone who so consistently lies about me. I operate under the reality here that it is never a good idea to wrestle with a pig because only the pig will enjoy it and you both end up dirty! That's certainly been my approach to Judy, whose sow-like darshan has probably chased away more worthwhile people here than anyone else. But Bill is a first-class midwestern boar. Stoop not down into his darkly splendid world nor delight in his unintellible images. I guess I was naive to believe people were intelligent enuff to see that. Unless of course they were somehow biased. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip Quite the opposite Raunchy, I won't respond to someone who so consistently lies about me. I operate under the reality here that it is never a good idea to wrestle with a pig because only the pig will enjoy it and you both end up dirty! That's certainly been my approach to Judy As Vaj well knows, I have *never* lied about him. As he also knows, he has lied *many* times about me, just as he does in this post. (And about many, many other things as well.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:05 AM, raunchydog wrote: It's interesting that the only two people so many folks on this forum accuse of habitually lying happen be the two biggest dick wavers ever to post on FFLife. Barry and Vaj, what a pair. Interesting that women who decry the atrocity of men mentioning female body parts so easily and so casually degrades those of men. What a misandrist you are Raunchy! You consistently show little interest in understanding that degrading men is an illness affecting the health of our country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the *intent* of the pile on Vaj phenomenon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:05 AM, raunchydog wrote: It's interesting that the only two people so many folks on this forum accuse of habitually lying happen be the two biggest dick wavers ever to post on FFLife. Barry and Vaj, what a pair. Interesting that women who decry the atrocity of men mentioning female body parts so easily and so casually degrades those of men. What a misandrist you are Raunchy! You consistently show little interest in understanding that degrading men is an illness affecting the health of our country. As Vaj knows--but hopes others have forgotten-- what he quotes above from Raunchy's post was written in response to a post of Barry's that repeatedly used the dick-waving metaphor (as he has in many other posts as well). If Vaj weren't such a dishonest, hypocritical misogynist, he'd be jumping on Barry for degrading men's body parts. But he attacks Raunchy instead, swinging his own (smaller, according to Barry) dick in an attempt to intimidate and embarrass her. Here's what Barry had written that Raunchy was commenting on: He leaped into the fray with his normal *intent* and modus operandi, which is spiritual DICK size contest. Another way of stating this intent and standard operating procedure is Gotcha you s.o.b. Nyh nyh I know more than you, and thus my spiritual DICK is longer than yours. To his discredit, Vaj often does the exact same thing. Who the fuck CARES what you guys know from what you have read about *other people's spiritual experiences*? Every time you two get into one of these armchair academic DICK-size contests, I consider BOTH of your DICKS smaller. snip Then comes (sadly) Lurk. His point may be accurate, that Vaj *does* bail from the endless DICK-size contests that EmptyBill trots out, but who wouldn't? snip The only thing sadder in my opinion than two supposedly grown men confusing truth with the stuff that they've read in books is believing that the truth they prefer has anything to do with the size of their DICKS. It doesn't. Only the size of their egos. And the only thing sadder than *that* is people who act as spectators to the DICK-size contest and pile on when they perceive one of the participants as losing. What does THAT say about their state of consciousness, eh? (emphases on DICK added)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
FWIW, I thought the Vajster gave a pretty good replay to emptybill. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Randy Meltzer rm108@ wrote: Any comments Vaj? I have noticed sometimes at this point the call gets dropped. Lurk, do *you* stay on the line when the person on the other end clearly has his dick out of his pants waving it around and saying, Can you match this, bozo? I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little tired of the heavy breathing on the other end of the line and hang up. :-) Then again, I am unimpressed with real academics in the field of spirituality, and even less so with armchair academics who play dueling sources in what are clearly oneupsmanship ego games. Your mileage may vary. If it does, I hope that the payoff you're waiting for...uh... measures up. :-) Hell hath not seen nor heaven created the one who can prevail against me! - Don Quixote, after his windmill escapade
[FairfieldLife] Bye Bye GM
As the old saying goes as GM goes so goes America. So I guess we can say bye, bye America too. And probably a good thing and we can get on with living in the 21st century instead of dreaming it's still the 19th. I mean the age of working at one company for life has passed. Folks like to move around in their work these days. And with my musician's background one always was changing a gig. Job security? No such luxury. Time for the rest of the workforce to grow up. Now if the car dealers still want to sell cars we need them to stop behaving like con artists. Don't you just hate buying a car? It's like bend over and get screwed time. Nowadays you have to watch that the service department isn't trying to make up for sales loss by recommending expensive repairs you don't need. I think I've taken my car to the dealer for service for the last time.
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Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat May 30 00:00:00 2009 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 06 00:00:00 2009 277 messages as of (UTC) Tue Jun 02 00:05:09 2009 36 authfriend jst...@panix.com 28 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 23 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 22 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 21 Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com 17 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 10 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 9 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 9 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 8 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 7 Richard M compost...@yahoo.co.uk 7 Randy Meltzer rm...@ymail.com 7 do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com 6 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 5 shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net 5 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 Nelson nelsonriddle2...@yahoo.com 5 Marek Reavis reavisma...@sbcglobal.net 4 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 4 Stu buttspli...@gmail.com 4 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 3 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 3 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 3 billy jim emptyb...@yahoo.com 3 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com 2 shukra69 shukr...@yahoo.ca 2 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 2 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 1 yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com 1 uns_tressor uns_tres...@yahoo.ca 1 michael vedamer...@yahoo.de 1 at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net 1 wle...@aol.com 1 I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com 1 BillyG. wg...@yahoo.com Posters: 38 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
Ruth, Ruth, Ruth, Hey, that was one fine piece of when angry, destroy Rome writing if I do say so myself. Now, with time passed, and with Judy not recently having nailed my hide to some door, I find my resonance with the piece has diminished. I don't personally need to revisit my reasons for writing the piece. Who was I back then? I'm so over him. You? Now this new guy I'm settling into, he's one slippery narcissistic but fucking humble stumbling old schooler who ignores that the root word of Dude! is dud, but who's nonetheless trying to surf the gelling-into-a-new-person processing like it was the last frothing of a wave. Stay tuned, I might lock into another temporary norm any nanosecond. (Marek, do you feel you personality gel when you once again hit the beach?) But, yeah, Ruthy, I'm sorry, but yeah, it was a Sherman's March piece -- no prisoners taken. I gave myself permission to run one mean fucking brutal spirit. That done, done. But ya never know what you are until ya wuz it. Another mask for the back of the closet that I don't particularly want to wear again. I do feel Judy has a chip on her shoulder, and that folks like me do seem to automatically take a whack at it, and then she has a reason to launch her nukes. Her type of skills can easily drive wedges into the armor of just the sort of person I present here, and so, it probably is impossible for her to restrain from correcting moi. I do think she's the titchiest type who unfortunately is also the fastest leather slapping gunslinger here. I don't think she knows when she's picking a fight, and so she is truthfully reporting that she's merely reacting to someone else's attack in both degree and kind. That she attempts to nuke may be a measure of how injured she is feeling on the her side of the keyboard if she's asserting that she merely giving a bit-o-tit for a lotta-rat-a-tat-tat. Who gets up each day to do what she does if not one in great pain? I know pain, and it'll do that to ya; ergo the piece in question. All readers: Please consider that the piece is once again presented to your minds, because it was mindfully sought for for just such a reason by the poster -- to present it to you. He put this again into your minds. Consider that the piece had to be unholy ripped from its resting place, and by a vile intent has it been thus unearthed. Consider that this creepy zombie piece is now enlivened by the poster's shakti with an intent to maraud this place of discourse with a purposeful besmirching of our atmosphere. Consider that this text-zombie was puppeteered by the poster to deliver an energy of malevolence at two targeted persons but equally delivered the energy to you other readers also. Consider that I wrote the piece from an situation of immediacy and emotional rushing, and that the poster has put it before you with all the calculation and psychopathic perversion of a stone cold mafioso hit man. Your peace of mind just got two bullets in the head and one in the heart by someone born blind to the color pain. You might consider these things. Edg PS Anyone here having trouble with how this text appears in your email reader? I'm no longer listening to the one complainer, so if others here would really really really like me to somehow find a way to get my text to wrap to fit your screen, let me know. I do all composing online in Yahoo's form. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I ask you...is there an appreciable difference between the two photos? Of course. One is making a face, the other is smiling. What is the purpose of your post? Nothing good that I can see. If you feel that there is, please con- sider the words of the poster to this forum whom Raunchydog and enlightened_dawn11 and others have referred to as a great writer. Let's hear what *he* has to say (as badly formatted as ever) about Ms. Stein's appearance, and what it might say about the karma of the life she has chosen to live: Edg's response went over the edge. He may have felt goaded, but his post is ugly. Is the purpose of this forum just to spew at each other, showing how unenlightened we are? Does anyone feel good after any of these exchanges? I hope not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
Edg wrote: snip That she attempts to nuke may be a measure of how injured she is feeling on the her side of the keyboard if she's asserting that she merely giving a bit-o-tit for a lotta- rat-a-tat-tat. Who gets up each day to do what she does if not one in great pain? One who *isn't* in great pain, actually. What a weird question.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Edg wrote: snip That she attempts to nuke may be a measure of how injured she is feeling on the her side of the keyboard if she's asserting that she merely giving a bit-o-tit for a lotta- rat-a-tat-tat. Who gets up each day to do what she does if not one in great pain? One who *isn't* in great pain, actually. What a weird question. Much of the recent posting looks weird from the viewpoint of any practical use. It seems no one notices the country is going down the drain and, maybe that is why. No one cares?
[FairfieldLife] Re: ...they can create anything, they can uncreate anything, they can do anything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: 'One thing that Maharishi explained,' Dr Morris continued, 'was that the sounds used in the Vedic Yagya http://www.maharishiyagya.org/yagya/index.html performances are from the four Veda http://www.vedicknowledge.com/nader.html : Rk, Sama, Yajur, and Atharva, and they are Nitya, eternal, and Apaurusheya, uncreatednot made by human beings. They are the eternal sounds of the Transcendent, the field of silence flowing within itself. 'Maharishi said when the Vedic Pandits http://www.vedicpandits.org/ are functioning at this level, the level where all the Laws of Nature that cause all transformations in the universe are operating, and are using the traditional formulae in the Veda, they can create anything, they can uncreate anything, they can do anything. And this is what makes the Maharishi Jyotish and Yagya Programme so effectivebecause it reaches through the transcendental field to the target.' By transcendental in this context, I believe MMY refers to that field beyond the *three worlds* (Gita Ch3vs22), or the physical, astral and causal. This is NOT necessarily the un-manifest absolute, it's the field (Buddhic) of the Devas or Devatas, the manifest personal aspects of God the Absolute or the immanent Godhead at the helm of creation or Brahm, the unified wholeness of the absolute and relative taken together. Many times the TMorg conflates the relative and absolute, MMY really never went into the subtle distinctions between the Devatas and the un-manifest so as not to confuse people, IMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Edg wrote: snip That she attempts to nuke may be a measure of how injured she is feeling on the her side of the keyboard if she's asserting that she merely giving a bit-o-tit for a lotta- rat-a-tat-tat. Who gets up each day to do what she does if not one in great pain? One who *isn't* in great pain, actually. What a weird question. Much of the recent posting looks weird from the viewpoint of any practical use. It seems no one notices the country is going down the drain and, maybe that is why. No one cares? Well, I doubt that would be what's sent Barry off his rocker. As to the country, I've been following it pretty closely. Looks to me as if it ain't in good shape, but not in down-the-drain territory. Except for California, maybe...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Edg wrote: snip That she attempts to nuke may be a measure of how injured she is feeling on the her side of the keyboard if she's asserting that she merely giving a bit-o-tit for a lotta- rat-a-tat-tat. Who gets up each day to do what she does if not one in great pain? One who *isn't* in great pain, actually. What a weird question. Much of the recent posting looks weird from the viewpoint of any practical use. It seems no one notices the country is going down the drain and, maybe that is why. No one cares? Well, I doubt that would be what's sent Barry off his rocker. As to the country, I've been following it pretty closely. Looks to me as if it ain't in good shape, but not in down-the-drain territory. Except for California, maybe... Blago didn't get to be ethics chairman so maybe there is hope.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Randy Meltzer wrote: Thanks Vaj for saying that. I am not here to do the pile on Vaj thing. Its just when you make statements like the shankaracharya order is Vaishnavite and my experience is s the oposite I had to chime in. I couldn't agree more, Randy...every time Vaj or anyone else makes a dumb-ass statement like that I just want to punch them. The shankaracharya order is Vaishnavite indeed! And yes, I did have a small axe to grind about you as someone pointed out in a previous post, because I felt your comments in the past about my experiences were disrespectful. In any case, its nothing personal. Just trying to keep the facts staight Yes, the facts about the shankaracharya order being Vaishnavite or not is as clear-cut as crystal, and how anybody could miss that is beyond me. Thanks for clearing all that up! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Edg wrote: snip That she attempts to nuke may be a measure of how injured she is feeling on the her side of the keyboard if she's asserting that she merely giving a bit-o-tit for a lotta- rat-a-tat-tat. Who gets up each day to do what she does if not one in great pain? One who *isn't* in great pain, actually. What a weird question. Much of the recent posting looks weird from the viewpoint of any practical use. It seems no one notices the country is going down the drain and, maybe that is why. No one cares? Well, I doubt that would be what's sent Barry off his rocker. As to the country, I've been following it pretty closely. Looks to me as if it ain't in good shape, but not in down-the-drain territory. Except for California, maybe... Blago didn't get to be ethics chairman so maybe there is hope. We are hitting some turbulence, people, so please fasten your seat belts... No need to be 'Scared'... We've all been here before, haven't we? Anyway, I'm not sure how good my predictive powers are lately... But, I am getting the feeling that if California, doesn't get it's act together, spiritually, there may be the 'Big/One Earthquake: there sometime in August of this year... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL In The Month of June
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: As a meditator in FF, Thanks for the 'Heads Up' Doug in Fairfield... We shall overcome someday... R.G. June comes `round as a favored month here. June comes along with the annual tours of the saints here. Is always one of the best months of the year to be in FF. June this year has Karunamayi, Mother Meera, and Ammachi make their visits. Coming through within a two week time towards the end of June. Is a good really fine time to visit back to Fairfield and be in the meditating community with this. Is very special and Spiritual. Comes around always as a fabulous time to meditate in FF. Catch it if you can, -Doug in FF I hope Fairfield is having a beautiful day today. I have wonderful memories from my youth of the Midwest in May. Yeah, is a beautiful and pleasing May here in Iowa now. Woodland flowers done their full thing. Trees and understory have come out green good now. Fields tilled and crops mostly planted. Rain showers next few days. That should make everything sprout forth. 1st cutting of hay making is upon us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
(snip) Not content with the Robert, my direct memories of my awful past lives piss on your psychic's recounting of your own awful past lives posturing, now emptybill... (snip) I'm sorry you didn't appreciate 'My Past Life Story'...Turq... Perhaps if I draw a tatoo of it, and put in a nice female ass..then you might be a lot interested? But, I'm really not here, to wet your stick...sorry. 'My Past Life Story' is something I worked on very hard, and life was taken from me, at the height of my powers, on someone's whim. We all get whims. But do we need to be neutered, need to kill, murder and rape, in order to get our rocks off? Is it good to act or write on those kinds of whims, Turq.? I know once you're in the Mafia, you can't get out... But, if we pray for you, perhaps you will be able too... Faith. Yes We Can! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Bringing home the bacon
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25560781-2761,00.html Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just to show I'm not the only one to comment on her photos...
, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: It seems no one notices the country is going down the drain and, maybe that is why. No one cares? Maybe people are happy to not wake up everyday hearing about the war on terror. Maybe the people are relieved to not have to hear each day that we have not been attacked due to great leadership of Dick Cheney and George Bush. Please tell me how the country is going down the drain. Cite a few examples, or how now, all of the sudden we are going down the drain. Here's a quote I hear recently. Wall Steet owns the upside. The taxpayer owns the downside
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Well lets see. I have been to Guru Dev's ashram in Allahabad 4 times. The last time was this past April, but Vasudevanandaji was not there so it was pretty quiet. I just walked around a bit. There is a beautiful altar in the middle of the courtyard of the ashram that has a statue of Adi Shankara and one of Guru Dev and a pair of Guru Dev's sandals that have been bronzed. I believe they do puja to the altar every morning. On previous occasions I have met with Vasudevananda in his meeting room, which is the same room and has the same seat that Guru Dev sat on and the energy in there has always been palpable. Vasudevanandaji has always been very low key, pretty relaxed and would answer any questions (not that I really had any) and was always appreciative that we were with MMY. Jyotir math was also very nice and not much going on. There a few monks who are disciples of vasudevanandaji and very welcoming. I attended evening puja to Vasudevanandaji sandals that were there and it was lovely. The monks asked me to stay for a few weeks, which I had no time to do, but it was nice that they asked. Both ashrams seemed very traditional ashram like. Not at all TM like. I plan on visiting Kanchipuram in the fall. On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Randy Meltzer wrote: Depends on a number of things really Lurk. A big one for me is 'what do I perceive as their underlying intention?'. Another is 'is this just another pile on post? I'm not a fan of digital rugby. Do I have enough time and is it worth it? It's also good to feel people are interested in responding to the topic, not just shooting off some obtuse remark. For any of these reasons I may decide not to waste my time. Randy seems like a guy interested in actually having an intelligent conversation and he's had some interesting things to share as well. Thanks Vaj for saying that. I am not here to do the pile on Vaj thing. Its just when you make statements like the shankaracharya order is Vaishnavite and my experience is s the oposite I had to chime in. And yes, I did have a small axe to grind about you as someone pointed out in a previous post, because I felt your comments in the past about my experiences were disrespectful. In any case, its nothing personal. Just trying to keep the facts staight I think the crux of the issue Randy is that you saw Shiva worship going on at the Maths and so assumed the lineage was Shaivite (even though it's not), but it's more accurate to say the Smartas had a very all-embracing view of Hinduism, and that's also probably why Shankara's line was so incredibly popular, eventually helping to dowse Buddhism's spread (although I'm sure the invasions also helped create a surge in Hindu nationalism and an appreciation of Hinduism's own diversity). They later even integrated Shakta practices, so it's rather profound what they did. I was hoping now that you've shared that you've been to a number of the Maths, you'd also share some of your experiences there. Seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye Bye GM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: As the old saying goes as GM goes so goes America. So I guess we can say bye, bye America too. And probably a good thing and we can get on with living in the 21st century instead of dreaming it's still the 19th. I mean the age of working at one company for life has passed. Folks like to move around in their work these days. And with my musician's background one always was changing a gig. Job security? No such luxury. Time for the rest of the workforce to grow up. Now if the car dealers still want to sell cars we need them to stop behaving like con artists. Don't you just hate buying a car? No, I love it. Here's the key to a fun -- and profitable -- experience: before you go to the dealer decide which car you want. They go online and research it. find out how much it costs and what you want to pay for it (important: know either a monthly amount you want to pay or a lump-sum INCLUDING TAX AND ALL EXTRAS). Then go in and be SUPER NICE. DO NOT HAVE A CONFRONTATIONAL ATTITUDE. Let them say what they want to say; in other words, let them give you a price (don't answer them if they ask you what YOU want to pay). And then tell them what you're willing to pay. They'll counter with something less than what they first said (usually by the ruse of calling over the manager). Don't go up from your price. Let this go on for a while and then give them your card and tell them if they're interested in getting your business you'll be happy to buy a car from them but in the meantime you'll be shopping around and leave. YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO LEAVE AND NOT BUY. And don't waver from your price no matter how reasonable they counter offer sounds in the heat of the moment. It's like bend over and get screwed time. Nowadays you have to watch that the service department isn't trying to make up for sales loss by recommending expensive repairs you don't need. I think I've taken my car to the dealer for service for the last time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: From Russia - with love
I've seen this article reproduced umpteen times on numerous sites and heard it discussed on at least 2 talk shows today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Jennifer Stastny jenni...@... wrote: From: Jennifer Stastny jenni...@... Subject: From Russia - with love To: Jennifer Stastny es...@... Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:33 PM  From of all places - PRAVDA! Scary when the leading publication of the Communist Party back in the heyday of Communist rule can see and understand what so many in this country cannot.    American capitalism gone with a whimper 27.04.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru URL: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0 It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people. True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists. Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters. First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their right to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our democracy. Pride blind the foolish. Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different branches and denominations were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the winning side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the winning side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America. The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe. These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them? These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters. Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of pure free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions. So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a bold move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too.. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as
[FairfieldLife] For Rick
Hi Rick, I just returned from Seattle today and Amma happen to be there so I thought I would go and see her. I have seen her before but not in many years. My experience with her was the same as every other time I have seen her, which is, this is also very nice, but frankly I don't see the big deal. I never experience anything during the hug and the whole scene evades me. This is in no way a put down. She is a great saint, no doubt. But for me, I don't get it. I have always respected your take on things (you taught an ATR course in Avoriaz in the mid 70's that I really enjoyed) and the fact that you had the resolve to break away from the TMO etc. Perhaps you could share what drew you to Amma and a bit of your experiences. If you don't want to do this here, then lets talk privately. Thanks
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: From Russia - with love
Shemp, of course you've heard that Tim Geitner was laughed at in China when he told them that their money is safe, invested in America. --- On Tue, 6/2/09, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: From: shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: From Russia - with love To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:52 AM I've seen this article reproduced umpteen times on numerous sites and heard it discussed on at least 2 talk shows today. --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Jennifer Stastny jenni...@.. . wrote: From: Jennifer Stastny jenni...@.. . Subject: From Russia - with love To: Jennifer Stastny es...@... Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:33 PM  From of all places - PRAVDA! Scary when the leading publication of the Communist Party back in the heyday of Communist rule can see and understand what so many in this country cannot.    American capitalism gone with a whimper 27.04.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru URL: http://english. pravda.ru/ opinion/columnis ts/107459- american_ capitalism- 0 It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people. True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists. Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters. First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their right to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights.. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our democracy. Pride blind the foolish. Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different branches and denominations were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the winning side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the winning side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America. The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe. These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them? These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament) . Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters. Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of pure free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions. So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a bold move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: From Russia - with love
Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Shemp, of course you've heard that Tim Geitner was laughed at in China when he told them that their money is safe, invested in America. Oooh, I can see that this has really rattled Dixon. Chinese laughing at our Secretary of the Treasury. Dixy, write a letter to the editor, start a blog. Tell those Chinese NOT TO LAUGH AT US. WE ARE MIGHTY AMERICA. NO ONE LAUGHS AT US AND GETS AWAY WITH IT. Dix, I can see that this has shaken your confidence. Get into some air conditoning. Probably really hot in Texas now.
[FairfieldLife] 'Obama Just says No! (to Nancy-One Who See Ghosts)
Obama Snubbed Me! Says, Former first wife also says in an interview she sees Ronald Reagan's ghost By CAITLIN MILLAT Updated 2:26 PM CDT, Mon, Jun 1, 2009 Former First Lady Nancy Reagan said she still sees the ghost of her husband -- and that President Barack Obama snubbed her earlier this year. Former First Lady Nancy Reagan said this week that President Barack Obama snubbed her -- and that she still sees the ghost of her late husband Ronald Reagan inside her home. Nancy Reagan told Vanity Fair that Obama missed an opportunity when she wasn't invited to a March ceremony where Obama said he'd allow comprehensive stem-cell research -- but that the commander in chief later apologized for the oversight. “I would have gone, and you know I don’t like to travel,” said Reagan, 87, a well-known stem-cell advocate. “Politically it would have been a good thing for him to do. Oh, well, nobody’s perfect, she said. It isn't the first time Obama's insulted the former first lady -- he cracked a joke in November 2008 about Reagan's reported consultations with astrologers during her time in the White House. I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about, you know, doing any séances, Obama joked on November 7 at a press conference. Obama later apologized for his careless and off-handed remark. Reagan, who spoke from her Bel Air, Calif., home, also said she still catches glimpses of Ronald Reagan's ghost in the halls -- and that time hasn't healed the wounds in the five years since his death. “I miss Ronnie a lot, an awful lot,” Reagan said. “People say it gets better. No, it does not.” “It sounds strange, but … I see Ronnie. At nighttime, if I wake up, I think Ronnie’s there, and I start to talk to him, she said. It’s not important what I say. But the fact is, I do think he’s there. And I see him.” Former President Ronald Reagan died at 93 in 2004 in Los Angeles after a long battle with Alzheimer's disease. Ronald and Nancy Reagan were married in 1952. The interview will be featured in the June issue of Vanity Fair.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: From Russia - with love
Well Lurk, I'm not rattled at all. I'm amazed the Chinese and Russians see something so obvious most Americans can't. --- On Tue, 6/2/09, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: From Russia - with love To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 4:14 AM Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: Shemp, of course you've heard that Tim Geitner was laughed at in China when he told them that their money is safe, invested in America. Oooh, I can see that this has really rattled Dixon. Chinese laughing at our Secretary of the Treasury. Dixy, write a letter to the editor, start a blog. Tell those Chinese NOT TO LAUGH AT US. WE ARE MIGHTY AMERICA. NO ONE LAUGHS AT US AND GETS AWAY WITH IT. Dix, I can see that this has shaken your confidence. Get into some air conditoning. Probably really hot in Texas now.
[FairfieldLife] 'Mike says: Watch [Zeitgeist]the Movie'
Air America's Mike Malloy says: Watch this movie: Check it out, I will! www.zeitgeistmovie.com R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Randy Meltzer rm...@... wrote: Hi Rick, I just returned from Seattle today and Amma happen to be there so I thought I would go and see her. I have seen her before but not in many years. My experience with her was the same as every other time I have seen her, which is, this is also very nice, but frankly I don't see the big deal. I never experience anything during the hug and the whole scene evades me. This is in no way a put down. She is a great saint, no doubt. But for me, I don't get it. I have always respected your take on things (you taught an ATR course in Avoriaz in the mid 70's that I really enjoyed) and the fact that you had the resolve to break away from the TMO etc. Perhaps you could share what drew you to Amma and a bit of your experiences. If you don't want to do this here, then lets talk privately. Thanks I saw her in Seattle a couple of years ago... I had the same feeling as you mention... I felt the atmosphere there, was very nice, very soft. She seems to have her operation to 'Feed the Poor'... So, you feel like your doing a 'Good Thang' just being there... R.g.
[FairfieldLife] 'The Rock and the Water'
In this life, I have come to understand the importance of being like the rock and the water. Be like the rock in your convictions, strong and unmovable; Standing firm on your ideology. Be like the water in your understanding, fluid and flowing forward; Accepting of other's viewpoints with love and compassion. For in this life you will not agree with everything that is presented to you. We must be like the water understanding and respecting another's point of view while also being able to flow around that idea without it hindering our own uniqueness. We must be like the rock confident in our own understanding and immovable in our firm assurances while also allowing other to be whom and what there are in their own marvelous way. BUT… The water takes the trace minerals from the rock thereby enriching its very essence. The rock's rough places are made smooth making it stronger, better, and beautiful. Therefore, they both enrich the lives of the other and both are made better for having met and shared this moment in time thereby helping to create the exquisiteness of one another's existence. -The Enlightenment Chapel, Inc.”
