[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"  wrote:
> >
> > And how will he reincarnate?
> > I believe he once practiced TM.
> > Too bad they die so young.
> 
> This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, 
> glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, 
> he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his 
> notoriety.

And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy!  :-)

John, please explain to us how the basis of your 
belief that paying money to the "owners" of young
boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their
families back in India is any different than the
ceremony performed in the video on this page:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/gay-exorcism-video-manife_n_221155.html

In the video, a church in Connecticut performs an
exorcism to rid a young man of his homosexuality.
No shit. ( As a side note to those who have been
following the latest episodes of "True Blood," 
does this not remind you of the anti-vampire
Bible thumpers in that series? )

So explain to me, John, how your belief that paying
young slave-boys to chant for you will extend your
life is that much different than these people 
believing that chanting the name of Jeezuz will
"cure" this kid of being gay. 

I mean...I'm really curious. To me, *both* beliefs
look crazier to me than Michael Jackson believing
that sleeping in a glass "Snow White's coffin" with
oxygen pumped into it at high pressure would keep
*him* alive and well and moonwalking forever.

All I can do is shake my head and wonder at the silly
things that human beings believe, and the things they
focus on. Two "celebrities" (our modern age's replace-
ment for "gods") die on the same day, and of one -- a
child molester who was so addicted to plastic surgery
that he turned himself into one of his own monsters
from "Thriller" -- some crazed fan says, "No joke. 
King of Pop is no more. Wow. It's like when Kennedy 
was assassinated. I will always remember being in 
Times Square when Michael Jackson died."

Meanwhile, another celebrity, she of the blonde hair,
far-too-many-teeth and perky nipples, garners mainly
tributes from her friends and family. *Her* death does
not seem to be causing crowds to form in Times Square,
possibly because she represented a *healthy* sexuality
and people prefer their sexuality either repressed 
(like John) or bent (like the fans of MJ). 

I am reminded of the announcer on French television
who used to end his broadcast by reading the latest
outrage, like George W. Bush lobbying to be nominated
for the Nobel Peace Prize, and then looking into the
camera and saying, "Le monde est fou, fou, fou."

"The world is crazy, crazy, crazy."

[FairfieldLife] One country under God -- the Jefferson Bible

[TurquoiseB]

The home page of Fairfield Life contains a number of
quotes on a similar theme:

"Take what you need and leave the rest." ~ The Band

"The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions."  ~ The I Ching

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter
if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own
common sense." ~ Buddha

As it turns out, one of the Founding Fathers of America
would have been more than comfortable with these
quotes, and with this concept of "taking what you need
and discarding the rest." Thomas Jefferson once took a
pair of scissors to the Bible and eliminated all the stuff
he didn't believe in (including all the miracles and the
resurrection) and reduced it to 46 pages that he *did*
believe in (link to the original book contained in the
article below). A man after my own heart...
Jefferson Bible reveals Founding Father's view of God, faith
By Louis Sahagun, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 05, 2008


Making good on a promise to a friend to summarize his views on
Christianity, Thomas Jefferson set to work with scissors, snipping out
every miracle and inconsistency he could find in the New Testament
Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
  
Then, relying on a cut-and-paste technique, he reassembled the excerpts
into what he believed was a more coherent narrative and pasted them onto
blank paper -- alongside translations in French, Greek and Latin.

In a letter sent from Monticello to John Adams in 1813, Jefferson said
his "wee little book" of 46 pages was based on a lifetime of inquiry and
reflection and contained "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals
which has ever been offered to man."

He called the book "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth." Friends
dubbed it the Jefferson Bible. It remains perhaps the most comprehensive
expression of what the nation's third president and principal author of
the Declaration of Independence found ethically interesting about the
Gospels and their depiction of Jesus.

"I have performed the operation for my own use," he continued, "by
cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the
matter, which is evidently his and which is as easily distinguished as
diamonds in a dunghill."

The little leather-bound tome, several facsimiles of which are kept at
the Huntington Library in San Marino, continues to fascinate scholars
exploring the powerful and varied relationships between the Founding
Fathers and the most sacred book of the Western World.

The big question now, said Lori Anne Ferrell, a professor of early
modern history and literature at Claremont Graduate University, is this:

"Can you imagine the reaction if word got out that a president of the
United States cut out Bible passages with scissors, glued them onto
paper and said, 'I only believe these parts?' "

"He was a product of his age," said Ferrell, whose upcoming book, "The
Bible and the People," includes a chapter on the Jefferson Bible. "Yet,
he is the least likely person I'd want to pray with. He was more
skeptical about religion than the other Founding Fathers."

In Jefferson's version of the Gospels, for example, Jesus is still
wrapped in swaddling clothes after his birth in Bethlehem. But there's
no angel telling shepherds watchi

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[Vaj]

On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:43 PM, seekliberation wrote:





But some respect for MJ.
Let us all take a moment to remember the all children he touched...

Too bad they don't get macheted younger.



I'm aware MJ was quite a freak, there's no denying this.  Regarding  
the children he allegedly molested, when the rumors and charges  
first came out, I assumed he was probably guilty.  But as the years  
went by, and more information came out, I changed my mind to think  
there's at least some possibility he may have not been guilty.



According to enlightened TMer, Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, MJ was an  
angel on earth.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[Vaj]

On Jun 26, 2009, at 2:02 AM, John wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"   
wrote:


And how will he reincarnate?
I believe he once practiced TM.
Too bad they die so young.



This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and  
money.  Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have  
lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety.



Or more likely: he would have been even shorter on cash.

[FairfieldLife] Jai Guru Dev

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Jai Guru Dev

  [Guru Dev]

Swami Brahmananda Saraswati,
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath
Known by His disciples simply as Guru Dev

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His Divinity Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, 1941 - 1953

A Brief Biography

Our Guru Dev was born "Rajaram" on Thursday, December 21, 1870 in the
village of Gana, Uttar Pradesh, India. As a son of a distinguished
family of Brahmins, his future was all but determined by strict social
rules and family obligations. But Destiny had different plans for young
Rajaram. At the tender age of 9 he became convinced of the futility or
worldly pursuits and decided to leave home in search of God. Several
times, his family tired to stop him…first by force and then by
persuasion. But his determination was strong and eventually his parents
reluctantly gave permission with one condition. His mother asked that he
never become a begging sadhu (wandering ascetic) and that if he was ever
in want, he would come home. Rajaram gave his word and set out on foot
to the Himalayas.

Although young in years, the boy ascetic was mature in understanding and
firm in his resolve. He had made up his mind that he needed a proper
guru and that anyone worthy of that position should fulfill three
requirements. First he should be a fully realized spiritual master.
Second, he should be well versed in Vedic philosophy. And third, he
should be a life celibate, an ideal that the young renunciate himself
had decided to maintain. During his search, he met many teachers but
none who measured up to these high standards. After 5 years of
wandering, he made his way to Uttar-Kashi where he met Sri Swami
Krishnanand Saraswati. There and then, the young ascetic had found his
master and he surrendered himself fully and without hesitation.

A close master/disciple relationship gradually developed between the
young brahmachari (monk) and Swami Krishnanand. After several years of
devotion and study, his desire for realization had become a burning
flame in his heart. When the master sensed the student was ready, he
gave him advanced meditation instruction and sent him to spend time in a
cave, away from the other disciples. While the rest of the world
continued to turn, the young renunciate entered the cave, vowing not to
come out until his spiritual quest was complete. We don't know how
long he kept himself locked away. But at some point, the Self-luminous
Truth revealed itself as it always has for those rare devotees who are
ready. He stepped off the wheel of samsara (endless cycle of action and
reaction) and stepped out of the cave a jivanmukti (liberated soul). As
Guru Dev was later to say,

"The dawn comes to dispel the darkness of night, by the light of the
sun, which is self-luminous. Likewise, spiritual teachings come to
destroy ignorance. But they cannot throw light on the Self. The Self is
Light."

In 1906, our Guru Dev, then age 36, attended the Kumbh Mela in Prayag.
At this auspicious gathering, he was formally ordained by Swami
Krishnanand, and given the title Sri Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
Maharaj.

Prior to his public life, as Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, Guru Dev
spent long stretches of time in seclusion, in forest caves and remote
jungles where even the light of day is unable to penetrate the thick
overgrowth. For much of his life, he remained in these isolated places,
deeply involved in his love affair with the Divine. Outwardly, he lived
in total harmony with nature, whether among people or animals. Even
during some chance encounter with a tiger or other wild animal, each
would pass one another and go their own way, without fear or discord.

Whenever he ventured into the towns and villages of the region, his
physical presence and spiritual charisma attracted people from all walks
of life wishing to receive his darshan (`sight' or blessing).
Inasmuch as he was able, he avoided notoriety and sought the solitude of
a reclusive life. Yet despite his efforts to remain anonymous, local
residents as well as spiritual leaders throughout North India became
aware of this rare saint who lived in the forest…a sage of the
highest order and a radiant beacon of spiritual light.

The seat of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is the principal seat of the
four maths (monasteries) originally established by Adi Shankara some
1,500 years ago. The seat had remained vacant for 165 years, largely
because a fully qualified candidate could not be found. According to
tradition, the Shankaracharya should be a Brahmin, someone linked by
guru-disciple relationship to Adi Shankara, a Dandi Swami ('staff
bearing', advanced renunciate) well versed in the Vedic Literature and a
fully realized embodiment of Advaita Vedanta (School of Non-duality).
The Indian Religious Federation, as well as various state and spiritual
leade

[FairfieldLife] Epilogue

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While sitting with Maharishi in 1975, someone asked, "What did Guru Dev
actually do?" Maharishi was quiet for a moment and then said softly and
with the simplicity of a child, "He made me."

On another occasion, a similar question arose and Maharishi said that
aside from his role as Shankaracharya, on the outer planes of
expression, Guru Dev worked continuously on the inner planes for the
benefit of all mankind.

>From the mind's point of view, outward action is the only measuring
stick of achievement. From this perspective, such questions about Guru
Dev's work are natural. At the same time, they reveal a narrow view
about a master's true role in the cosmic play. In the structure of a
building, what role does a window play? It doesn't really do
anything. The window is just a hole in the wall. It doesn't bear
weight nor does it have a positive structural function like a shelf or a
roof. Yet, by virtue of this hole, the inner space is flooded with air
and light and thus made useful in countless ways. Likewise, a spiritual
master is a window in the collective consciousness through which Divine
Light enters into the world. Without such windows the world would be a
spiritual desert, completely devoid of living spiritual guidance. From
this perspective, it isn't what the master does that is important.
It is the width of the opening created by his spiritual presence that is
the true measurement of his greatness.

On other occasions, questions would arise about what methods of
spiritual practice did Guru Dev teach and what was his own practice.
Again, it is important to consider the role of a spiritual master of
Guru Dev's stature. Charlie Lutes once said that Guru Dev was a
"Universal Guru" and as such, taught a number of different spiritual
practices, according to the nature and capacity of the disciple.

In the Vedic tradition, there are three main paths to God realization:
Bhakti-marga or the path of Divine love and devotion; Jnana-marga or the
path of knowledge and spiritual understanding; and Karma-marga or the
path of action in alignment with Divine Law. From the discourses that
follow, it is clear that Guru Dev placed equal emphasis on all three
methods. This supports the view that Guru Dev was a Universal Guru and
embodiment of the Veda. Continued reading of his words will enliven
deeper levels of God Realization in the reader.

Bibliography

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi; Love and God, Maharishi International University,
1973

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi; Thirty Years Around the World - Dawn of the Age
of Enlightenment, vol. 1 1957-64. Maharishi Vedic University, 1986.

Lynn D. Napper; Our Spiritual Heritage, Hesperides Books, 1998

Prem C. Pasricha; The Whole Thing, The Real Thing, Thompson Press
(India) Limited, 1975

Dr. Raj R. P. Varma; Strange Facts about a Great Saint, Varma & Sons,
1980

[FairfieldLife] Half Measures Doom Health Care Reform

[raunchydog]

"...Barack [Obama]...searches for common ground where none exists, 
and...negotiations with himself lead to policies that are far too weak...

The point is that if you're making big policy changes, the final form of the 
policy has to be good enough to do the job. You might think that half a loaf is 
always better than none — but it isn't if the failure of half-measures ends up 
discrediting your whole policy approach...

Which brings us back to health care. It would be a crushing blow to progressive 
hopes if Mr. Obama doesn't succeed in getting some form of universal care 
through Congress. But even so, reform isn't worth having if you can only get it 
on terms so compromised that it's doomed to fail."

Not Enough Audacity
Paul Krugman 6/25/09
New York Times

Read More:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.

[WillyTex]

off_world_beings wrote:
> I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
> 
How much would you be willing to wager?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Here at last--Environmental bill up in House now.

[WillyTex]

Dick Mays wrote:
> Environmental bill up in House now.
> 
"This idea of climate change and the Cap 
and Trade business is all based on a lie, 
just like the Patriot Acts, DHS, etc, etc, 
were based on the 9-11 lies. What our 
leaders, energy producers and whoever 
else that will get rich on these new 
laws have not been telling us is that 
they have been keeping some important 
energy technology suppressed and hidden 
from the general public for at least 
the last 100 years..."

Read other Prison Planet comments:

'US climate change bill passes key hurdle'
By Philip Sherwell
London Telegraph, Friday, May 22, 2009 
http://tinyurl.com/ph5jbb

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has put 
cap-and-trade legislation on a forced 
march through the House, and the bill 
may get a full vote as early as Friday. 
It looks as if the Democrats will have 
to destroy the discipline of economics 
to get it done..."

Read more on Prison Planet:

'The Cap and Tax Fiction' 
Posted by Alex Jones
Prison Planet, June 26, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/kpwjlh

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"  wrote:
> >
> > And how will he reincarnate?
> > I believe he once practiced TM.
> > Too bad they die so young.
> >
> 
> This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money.  
> Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap 
> the benefits of his notoriety.
>


TMO yagyas for ca$h? What a fraud! 

Do you really think you can pay someone else to turn to God for you? ... to do 
your praying for you... as a substitute for your OWN prayers and sadhana?

That's called 'Buying a Stairway to Heaven,' or 'Paying cash for God.' Get a 
clue. It doesn't work that way, John. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[Peter L Sutphen]

If he had requested yagyas he would have lived longer? I assume you are 
joking,John.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2009, at 2:02 AM, "John"  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"  wrote:

And how will he reincarnate?
I believe he once practiced TM.
Too bad they die so young.


This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money.  
Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the 
benefits of his notoriety.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 1020 pundits in VC by end of July

[sgrayatlarge]

-The problem with your logic is that pandits are not monks or sages, they are 
trained householder priests. Maybe we can look at this as necessary missionary 
work like young Mormans,for a couple of years and then back to normalacy. Looks 
good on the pandit resume, wow, you survived living in Iowa, OK you are hired.


-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure they can't wait to come to the Vedic City and be isolated from 
> > humanity, that's what I call good times
> >
> 
> *
> 
> Of course, for a householder, monkish life sounds awful, but for those so 
> inclined to go even further with isolation from society than the pundits do, 
> "Solitude is the only blessedness." 
> 
> "Among the sages of India, the concept of self-sufficiency has a special 
> meaning. First, it means one who is filled with love of the Divine and beyond 
> personal human relationships. Second, it means one who is beyond personal 
> attachments and cannot be swayed from right action. And third, it means one 
> who lives without any earthly means of support.
> 
> http://www.srigurudev.net/gurudev/biography.html
> 
> 
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> > >
> > > In today's Global Family Chat, Bob Wynne, in India, announced he is 
> > > bringing in an additional 200 pundits to Vedic City, for a total of 1020. 
> > > There are 100,000 pundits-in-training at 1800 sites in India, as well as 
> > > about 6K pundits at the Brahmastan and other locations.
> > > 
> > > http://www.maharishichannel.in/
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Max Baucus is a Liar

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"In the past six years, nearly one-fourth of every dime raised by Max Baucus 
and his political-action committee has come from groups and individuals 
associated with drug companies, insurers, hospitals, medical-supply firms, 
health-service companies and other health professionals."

http://tinyurl.com/m5cfhb
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/16/report_senator_max_baucus_received_more

Max Baucus eliminated single-payer from committee discussions of health care 
reform then feigns regret in an interview with the New York Times. 

"In all likelihood, Baucus took single-payer off the table for a very good 
reason—because he isn't trying to create a progressive health reform package. 
His statement to the Times was pure BS...

After the fact, he was covering his keister for those on the left...
When Baucus voiced his regrets to the Times, it was a big silly con!

Were we really supposed to believe that, after all these years, Baucus made the 
rookie mistake he described? That's what Baucus told the Times."

Bob Somerby
http://www.dailyhowler.com/

"We know the Republicans aren't on our side, but the Democrats pretend to be 
our friends while selling us down the river.  They are the political equivalent 
of the Washington Generals.  They get paid to put on a show and lose.

Nothing will change until the lefty blogosphere quits making excuses for them."

http://tinyurl.com/m6d8rq
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/failure-is-a-feature-not-a-bug/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Here at last--Environmental bill up in House now.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> From: Paul Frank 
> 
> Dear Friends and Family
> 
> At last, here is our opportunity to push through an environmental 
> bill that will take the first serious actions to address global 
> warming   Repower America, an environmental group associated with Al 
> Gore has made it easy.   Call 877-9-REPOWER (877-9-737-6937) and it 
> will connect you to your Representative right after providing you 
> with talking points. (They are expecting high call volume, and if you 
> are unable to be connected please use the secondary line, 
> 866-590-0971.)
> 
> You can see an Al Gore video and get more info at 
> http://www.repoweramerica.org/page/s/agacesreportcall
> 
> My Love to All,
> Paul
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[WillyTex]

> That's called 'Buying a Stairway to Heaven,' 
> or 'Paying cash for God.' Get a clue. It doesn't 
> work that way, John.
>
It's pretty common knowledge that Guru Dev used 
to participate in 'yagyas' during WWII; you can 
call it anyhting you want to. So maybe you need to 
get a clue: that's the way it works, John. You
already know this - how many dollars have you
tithed to the Mormon church? Why you're acting
stupid here is beyond me. Go figure.

http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/yajna.jpg

"According to Lynn Napper: "Guru Dev toured 
all over India attracting thousands where ever 
he went. His darshan was now easy to obtain, 
but it came with a risk of lifelong attachment 
to him. He conducted many ceremonies on special 
days all through India. He was the center of 
attraction at the 1942 Kumbhamela in Allahabad. 
In Delhi he presided over a great yagya on the 
banks of the Yamuna. Yousands of people came 
to watch" (Napper 136).

"..the photo shown at the above link is the very 
same one on page 37 of the Life article I cited.  
Interestingly, the Life photo is a cropped 
version (missing a bit at the top and a little 
at the bottom). I tried to find a reference to 
a photographer or photograph news agency 
accompanying the photo, but there were none." 

Read more:

From: Shemp McGurk
Subject: Re: Guru Dev's Mahayajna
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: January 5, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/ln85tg

"Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not 
organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and 
with the help of  Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, 
Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, 
sitting right next to the Guru Dev." 

Read more:

From: Willytex
Subject: Re: Guru Dev's Mahayajna
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: January 11, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/ln85tg

Works cited:

'Our Spiritual Heritage'
An Informal History of the Shankaracharya Order.
By Lynn Napper
Hesperdes, 1998 

'Truth is One'
The Story of the World's Great Living Religions 
in Pictures and Text.
By Henry James Forman and Roland Gammon
Harper & Row, 1954
page 12

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[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , WillyTex  wrote:
>
> off_world_beings wrote:
> > I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
> >
> How much would you be willing to wager?
>

How do you propose to prove it?

In answer to the statement: "I bet Turq never killed an animal for food
in his life." -- I will take his silence on the matter as an
affirmative.

Do you still want to take the bet Willytex?

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:

> "Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not 
> organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and 
> with the help of  Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, 
> Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, 
> sitting right next to the Guru Dev." 

Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow "Vaj" 
or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually 
were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943 ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Here at last--Environmental bill up in House now.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> Dick Mays wrote:
> > Environmental bill up in House now.
> > 
> "This idea of climate change and the Cap 
> and Trade business is all based on a lie, 
> just like the Patriot Acts, DHS, etc, etc, 
> were based on the 9-11 lies. What our 
> leaders, energy producers and whoever 
> else that will get rich on these new 
> laws have not been telling us is that 
> they have been keeping some important 
> energy technology suppressed and hidden 
> from the general public for at least 
> the last 100 years..."
> 
> Read other Prison Planet comments:
> 
> 'US climate change bill passes key hurdle'
> By Philip Sherwell
> London Telegraph, Friday, May 22, 2009 
> http://tinyurl.com/ph5jbb
> 

The folks at Prison Planet are whack job conspiracy nuts. Let's put a little 
less paranoia and a little more sanity into the discussion:

"The cap-and-trade legislation supported by the Obama administration  is a 
stealth strategy for a massive long-term tax increase. It is a large tax on all 
American households, and the tax burden rises in future years without any need 
for further legislation. It will evolve into an enormous new source of tax 
revenue for the government.

"A cap-and-trade system is supposed to reduce carbon-dioxide (CO2) emissions by 
raising the price of CO2-intensive goods and services like gasoline, 
electricity and a wide range of industrial products. This, in theory, will 
induce consumers to shift their spending to services and products that involve 
lower levels of CO2 emissions. It achieves these price increases by requiring 
firms that create CO2 in their production process, or sell goods like gasoline 
that create CO2 when used, to have a permit per ton of CO2 emission."

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/06/25/cap-and-tax.aspxIf
 

Would I rather pay income tax or happily watching my tax dollars whirl 'round 
the bowl every time I flushed my toilet? I don't know, but definitely not both. 
What say you?

raunchydog  

> "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has put 
> cap-and-trade legislation on a forced 
> march through the House, and the bill 
> may get a full vote as early as Friday. 
> It looks as if the Democrats will have 
> to destroy the discipline of economics 
> to get it done..."
> 
> Read more on Prison Planet:
> 
> 'The Cap and Tax Fiction' 
> Posted by Alex Jones
> Prison Planet, June 26, 2009
> http://tinyurl.com/kpwjlh
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
> 
> > "Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not 
> > organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and 
> > with the help of  Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, 
> > Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, 
> > sitting right next to the Guru Dev."



The key difference is that the people THEMSELVES collectively PARTICIPATED in 
that Mahayagya over which Guru Dev presided. The massive crowds of people's 
hearts and minds were DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the process. 

That's totally different from sending cash to the TMO for someone else to do 
the whole thing like the TMO recommends as they ring their ca$h registers. 

You can't pay pay someone else to turn to God for you ... to do
your praying for you... as a substitute for your OWN prayers and sadhana.

It doesn't work that way.



 
> 
> Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow 
> "Vaj" or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints 
> actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943 ?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"  wrote:
>
> And how will he reincarnate?
> I believe he once practiced TM.

Extremely unlikely? I think he was a Jehova's witness!

[FairfieldLife] Re: One country under God -- the Jefferson Bible

[Duveyoung]

TurquoiseB  wrote:
> Thomas Jefferson once took a
> pair of scissors to the Bible and eliminated all the stuff
> he didn't believe in (including all the miracles and the
> resurrection) and reduced it to 46 pages that he *did*
> believe in (link to the original book contained in the
> article below). A man after my own heart...

Yep, Barry the cherry picker blinkers away any conflicts with his POV -- it's 
the la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you philosophy.

Barry, how can you even begin to think that you're not running your brain like 
the typical Bible thumper does when cherry picking scriptures?  

And, really now, Jefferson and Barry in the same Venn?  Right.  Man, your 
name dropping and coattail riding is such a tell about your mask.

That the Bible can be snipped with some sort of agenda is not surprising, but 
that you keep trying to garner respect here as a deep thinker is surprising 
when one considers the lack of support for your POV from FFLers.  Doing the 
same thing over and over and expecting different results is koo-koo.  Give up 
the mask -- we can see through it; all it's doing is making your face sweat.  

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Take Action: Demand Public Option for Heath Care

[raunchydog]

Jane Hamsher at Firedoglake has Rahm Emanuel running scared and backtracking 
for saying Obama would consider a Health Care Reform Bill without a public 
option. Use Jane's "Whip it Tool" to call your congressman. Rep. Dave Lobesack, 
(D) Iowa District 2 includes Jefferson County, is in the undecided column to 
support a public option. I am call his office today, I hope all the Fairfield 
folks will join me in this effort. 

Congress already took Single-payer off the table. If we don't have a public 
option, the insurance companies win and you lose. Dave Loebsack's phone number 
is: 202-225-6576 Call and ask him to support a Public Option for the Health 
Care Reform bill. 

Whip it Day 2 
http://tinyurl.com/mzlmjx
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/public-option-whip-news-round-up-2/

Whip it Day 3
http://tinyurl.com/kschpw
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/public-option-whip-count-%E2%80%94-day-3/

[FairfieldLife] Paranoid thoughts of the morning

[Duveyoung]

Crazy time. Can't touch this.

With the single payer issue creating such heat -- with 72% of Americans wanting 
it and EVERY SINGLE insurance company being against it -- and with literally 
billions in profits and a health-industry monopoly about to receive a death 
sentence, and with the masses being asses easily shunted into putting their 
brains onto other topics, why not bump off Michael Jackson to swamp the 
headlines while congress cobbles a deal and a marketing stance to sell us a 
package that is too complicated to understand and that the insurance companies 
can easily outwit?  Why the fuck not?  Think you the world is not that dark?

It's the same ploy we've seen many a time: get the folks riled up bigtime, say, 
by a 9/11 kind of attack, and then pass legislation that cannot be passed at 
any other time in the group consciousness.  Michael Jackson was a twin-tower's 
worth of diversion or more if we tote up his life's impact on the brains of the 
world -- in terms of symbolic clout: how much and how long it will capture the 
headlines?  Not anywhere as long as 9/11, but maybe that much diversion of the 
masses isn't called for like it was when BushCo wanted to steal 1/3 of the 
world's oil.

There's the paranoia, discuss whether the world is really that evil that 
killing Michael Jackson was but a marketing tool.  

At this juncture, I'm inclined to believe it.  An hour from now, who knows?

More crazy talk: Mark Sanford was ordered to fall on his sword to get 
headlines.  Farrah's death was a nice coincidence, yes, but maybe just maybe 
the Illuminati were waiting for her to die so that Michael could be killed at 
the same time along with the Sanford suicide?  

Wait: it was the fucking crop circles I tells ya!

Here's the proof that our world is in such dire straits that the above kind of 
thinking is at least worthy of some investigation: 30,000 children will die 
today from drinking muddy water when for the cost of 1/200th of the Iraq War, 
everyone on the planet could have pure water.  There's no headline clamor for 
this issue, and that's the tell.  How much less the sin of insurance companies 
disallowing coverage of someone's medical needs when the world is so cruelly 
avoiding the 900 lb gorillas in the room?

One woman gets snipered in Iran and headlines galore. A musician dies; 
headlines.  A hillbilly sticks his dick in an Argentinian; headlines. Madonna 
adopts; headlines. Obama slightly bows to a potentate; headlines.  Bo bit a 
reporter; headlines. 

If the single payer issue has any staying power, all the above suspicions will 
be disproved if no other bigassed headline grabber happens.  Ted Kennedy and 
others may die soon, so there's that.  But with so much on the line, I cannot 
imagine there being a better chance to see the Illuminati at work in that so 
much will have to be created to keep the public's gaze elsewhere.  Could be 
quite a ride as we see that murdering behemoth (what else to call a system that 
kills people for profit?) panic and pull out all the stops.

Suggestions to the Illuminati: blow up a national monument, crash another plane 
into something, have a white policeman kill a black person on youtube on a hot 
day in L.A., get a bimbo to claim her dress has Obama cum on it, tell China to 
prod N.Korea to actually shoot a nuke and have it explode "nearish" Hawaii cuz 
if they don't the economy of America will just have to be notched down with a 
flood of newly printed money and Chinese investments will be diluted when the 
world goes off the dollar standard, or? 

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[WillyTex]

> > "Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not 
> > organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and 
> > with the help of  Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, 
> > Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, 
> > sitting right next to the Guru Dev." 
> >
nablusoss wrote:
> Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick 
> Archer, or for that fellow "Vaj" or that scumbag 
> paulmason, to start claiming that none of these 
> Saints actually were present on this occasion 
> in Delhi, 1943?
>
About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. 

>From what I've read, even the President of India 
and many, many other devotees, sent cash to help 
Guru Dev perform this Mahayagya. People have been
sending cash for the performance of Yagyas in 
India for at least 3,000 years.

According to some people, because the Guru Dev
performed this Yagya, WWII lasted only a few 
years instead of fifty. I don't know.

"The key difference is that the people THEMSELVES 
collectively PARTICIPATED in that Mahayagya over 
which Guru Dev presided. The massive crowds of 
people's hearts and minds were DIRECTLY INVOLVED 
in the process. That's totally different from 
sending cash to the TMO for someone else to do the 
whole thing like the TMO recommends as they ring 
their ca$h registers. You can't pay pay someone 
else to turn to God for you ... to do your praying 
for you... as a substitute for your OWN prayers 
and sadhana. It doesn't work that way." 

FairfieldLife/message/222878

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[WillyTex]

> > I believe he once practiced TM.
> >
cardemaister wrote:
> Extremely unlikely?
>
Apparently Michael Jackson learned TM from
Deepak Chopra, along with Madonna and Shirley 
MacLaine.

"Deepak Inc. attracted its share of celebrity 
pilgrims seeking higher truths. Madonna and 
Michael Jackson and George Harrison tuned in..."

Source:

'Inner Peacekeeper'
By Tom Dunkel
Baltimore Sun, April 29, 2005 

Read more:

From: Willytex
Subject: Depackage Deep Stuff
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: May 19, 2005 
http://tinyurl.com/lsjx2w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Action: Demand Public Option for Heath Care

[WillyTex]

raunchydog wrote:
> Take Action: Demand Public Option for Heath Care
>
"After President Obama's big speech on health care, 
I was among the first to note that I couldn't see 
how he could possibly keep his promises. Now, 
according to the Associated Press, the White House 
has backed off Obama's promises made just last 
Monday..."

Read more:

'White House says Obama Health Care Promises Should 
Not Be Taken Literally'
Volokh Conspiracy:
http://tinyurl.com/nlnywm

[FairfieldLife] 15 Reasons to Oppose Climate Bill

[WillyTex]

"National Energy Tax: This is a tax that will 
affect constituents in every aspect of their 
lives. From transportation, to food, to 
electricity, to income - this is the ultimate 
regressive consumption tax to the tune of 
nearly $3,000 per year according to the 
Heritage Foundation. The costs per family for 
the whole energy tax aggregated from 2012 
to 2035 are estimated to be $71,493..."

Read more:

Club for Growth:
http://tinyurl.com/lhknsp

[FairfieldLife] What if Government Ran Health Care?

[WillyTex]

"It's really exciting giving up health choice 
to these corrupt? politicians and their bureacratic 
drones. Can't wait to become a total ward and 
meat-puppet of the State."

Read more:

'What if Government Ran Health Care?'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPC6CqAFA4E

[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev Never Accepted Money

[do.rflex]

Guru Dev was known for his self-sufficiency and would not accept donations from 
anyone, whether rich or poor. In fact, a sign was erected at his ashram which 
said,

"Worthy of Worship, Infinitely Bestowed, 
The Universal Guru Shankaracharya Jyotirmath, 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Maharaj prohibits 
any offerings of wealth."

Among the sages of India, the concept of self-sufficiency has a special 
meaning. First, it means one who is filled with love of the Divine and beyond 
personal human relationships. 

Second, it means one who is beyond personal attachments and cannot be swayed 
from right action. 

And third, it means one who lives without any earthly means of support.


Often people tried to curry favor with Guru Dev by offering money or other 
valuable goods, but he maintained his independence and never accepted gifts. On 
one occasion, a merchant confided to Guru Dev that he was involved in a legal 
problem and was being sued. 

Guru Dev listened to his story without making any comment. During the next few 
days, the law suit was settled in the man's favor. Assuming that Guru Dev had 
mysteriously helped in some way, he returned to the ashram bearing an offering 
of gold coins. When Guru Dev learned of the offering, he said to the man,

"You offer me money but you don't offer it to those 
poor who ask you for it. To those who need it, you 
offer nothing. You offer it to me? Do I have a son or 
daughter I need to marry off? Take the money and go. 
Give it to those who need it. 

If you want to give me something, give me your greed, 
your lusts, your weaknesses. That is what you really 
hold dear above all else. Give me everything that 
stands between you and God."

As Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, Guru Dev took on the responsibility of 
restoring the Shankaracharya tradition throughout Northern India. This was a 
huge task involving many tours as well as the acquisition of property and 
reconstruction of temples and monasteries, with costs running into the millions 
of rupees. 

Several times large fund raising campaigns were planned but Guru Dev always 
vetoed these proposals. In mysterious ways, sufficient resources always 
appeared, when and as needed, to accomplish the projects at hand. 

The question foremost on everyone's mind, "How does Guru Dev accomplish this? 
He seems to have no access to money and as a Dandi Swami, he doesn't even touch 
money. 

How can a person who has been a renunciate from the age of 9 and who never 
accepts donations, arrange for these expensive transactions?" When pressed for 
an answer, Guru Dev simply said, "No human being has been involved in these 
things". When begged by his followers to elaborate, he went on to say,

"During the time of the Mahabharat, when the Kauravas 
unabashedly tried to strip Draupadi naked, wherefrom did 
come yard upon yard of the sari she was wearing?? And it 
was of the same color and pattern, thousands of yards. 
Not a different color. Not a different pattern. Same 
color and pattern, yard upon yard. 

When God gives, He gives all that is required: 
the whole thing…the real thing. 

What could happen at the time of the Mahabharat, can take 
place now. God has not changed. He is ever the same."


On at least one occasion, Guru Dev spoke openly about his ability for 
attracting resources. It was in December 1952, that Guru Dev was visited by 
then President of India, Dr. Rajendra Prasad. When making a point about the 
master/disciple relationship, Guru Dev related one of his own experiences as a 
disciple of Swami Krishnanand.

"When I first met Guruji in Uttar-Kashi, my first request 
was, 'Please give me that knowledge which will make me 
self sufficient so that I do not have to beg anything from 
anyone.' It is my Guru's grace that to this day I have 
never had to stretch my hands before anyone."

Thus, by the grace of his guru, he fulfilled the promise he had made to his 
mother many years earlier when he left home [that he would never beg].

http://srigurudev.net/gurudev/biography.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Here at last--Environmental bill up in House now.

[WillyTex]

> > > Environmental bill up in House now.
> > > 
> > "This idea of climate change and the Cap 
> > and Trade business is all based on a lie...
> >
> Let's put a little less paranoia and a little 
> more aanity into the discussion...
>
Maybe so, but it doesn't sound like a good idea
make the economy more of a shambles than it is
already, so I'd be opposed to the environmental
bill. But it does sound like a conspiracy to
destroy American business with a new tax burden.

Apparently the United States "is not ready to 
show the leadership necessary to reach a strong 
agreement at Copenhagen in December", therefore,
this bill is not supported by Greenpeace OR the
Prison Planet folks.

"Washington, D.C., United States — In advance 
of tomorrow's vote on the American Clean Energy 
and Security Act in the House of Representatives, 
Greenpeace USA Deputy Campaigns Director Carroll 
Muffett issued the following statement..."

'Greenpeace Opposes Waxman-Markey'
Greenpeace, June 25, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/m67dvn 
 
> > 'The Cap and Tax Fiction' 
> > Posted by Alex Jones
> > Prison Planet, June 26, 2009
> > http://tinyurl.com/kpwjlh

[FairfieldLife] To hell with group consciousness (Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?)

[Duveyoung]

Wee Willy War Monger,

Fuck group consciousness as a concept.

Fuck the Maharishi Effect.

Fuck yagyas.

Ya want group consciousness in which the hearts and minds of millions are 
focused?  Er, how about when Letterman reads the top ten list?

How about all the good wishes and hopes that a hundred million people felt 
simultaneously when Obama took the oath of office? That was a spiritual 
experience, a rite, a defining moment, right?

What good does group consciousness do if that much psychic oomph has not yet 
moved the world's intent to heal even a little what with the white house back 
peddling on single payer?  Where's the beef? Where's the clout that Obama is 
supposedly empowered by?

Illusions only: follow the money not the yagya.

If Obama fails on single payer, my first thought about him from then on will be 
that he's a house N-word, bought and paid for.  He'll have denial-ability in 
that "we don't gots the votes, blame the Repugs," but, right now, I don't see 
him championing single payer LIKE HE COULD if he wanted to get on the stump and 
shout about it to the masses and really get them to flood their representatives 
with letters and phone calls.  He's not using his group consciousness currency. 
Why? Smells like money at work.

Edg






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> > > "Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not 
> > > organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and 
> > > with the help of  Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, 
> > > Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, 
> > > sitting right next to the Guru Dev." 
> > >
> nablusoss wrote:
> > Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick 
> > Archer, or for that fellow "Vaj" or that scumbag 
> > paulmason, to start claiming that none of these 
> > Saints actually were present on this occasion 
> > in Delhi, 1943?
> >
> About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. 
> 
> From what I've read, even the President of India 
> and many, many other devotees, sent cash to help 
> Guru Dev perform this Mahayagya. People have been
> sending cash for the performance of Yagyas in 
> India for at least 3,000 years.
> 
> According to some people, because the Guru Dev
> performed this Yagya, WWII lasted only a few 
> years instead of fifty. I don't know.
> 
> "The key difference is that the people THEMSELVES 
> collectively PARTICIPATED in that Mahayagya over 
> which Guru Dev presided. The massive crowds of 
> people's hearts and minds were DIRECTLY INVOLVED 
> in the process. That's totally different from 
> sending cash to the TMO for someone else to do the 
> whole thing like the TMO recommends as they ring 
> their ca$h registers. You can't pay pay someone 
> else to turn to God for you ... to do your praying 
> for you... as a substitute for your OWN prayers 
> and sadhana. It doesn't work that way." 
> 
> FairfieldLife/message/222878
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] 1020 pundits in VC by end of July

[Bhairitu]

bob_brigante wrote:
> In today's Global Family Chat, Bob Wynne, in India, announced he is bringing 
> in an additional 200 pundits to Vedic City, for a total of 1020. There are 
> 100,000 pundits-in-training at 1800 sites in India, as well as about 6K 
> pundits at the Brahmastan and other locations.
>
> http://www.maharishichannel.in/
What they need is 1020 tantrics, though 10 might do.  ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Half Measures Doom Health Care Reform

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> "...Barack [Obama]...searches for common ground where none exists, 
> and...negotiations with himself lead to policies that are far too weak...
> 
> The point is that if you're making big policy changes, the final form of the 
> policy has to be good enough to do the job. You might think that half a loaf 
> is always better than none — but it isn't if the failure of half-measures 
> ends up discrediting your whole policy approach...
> 
> Which brings us back to health care. It would be a crushing blow to 
> progressive hopes if Mr. Obama doesn't succeed in getting some form of 
> universal care through Congress. But even so, reform isn't worth having if 
> you can only get it on terms so compromised that it's doomed to fail."
> 
> Not Enough Audacity
> Paul Krugman 6/25/09


I agree.  But it is tough given the state of our legislature pool.   

So write you senators and representatives and demand a public option and demand 
that everyone get covered.  

I mean it.  Write.  Enough people who show that they care will have an effect.
> New York Times
> 
> Read More:
> http://tinyurl.com/lph4s7
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/opinion/26krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.

[Bhairitu]

off_world_beings wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , WillyTex  wrote:
>   
>> off_world_beings wrote:
>> 
>>> I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
>>>
>>>   
>> How much would you be willing to wager?
>>
>> 
>
> How do you propose to prove it?
>
> In answer to the statement: "I bet Turq never killed an animal for food
> in his life." -- I will take his silence on the matter as an
> affirmative.
>
> Do you still want to take the bet Willytex?
>
> OffWorld
Off, ever go fishing as a kid?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What if Government Ran Health Care?

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> "It's really exciting giving up health choice 
> to these corrupt? politicians and their bureacratic 
> drones. Can't wait to become a total ward and 
> meat-puppet of the State."
> 
> Read more:
> 
> 'What if Government Ran Health Care?'
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPC6CqAFA4E

What choice?  You have an insurance company, yes? They most often restrict 
choice by paying less for "out of network" providers.  HMOs totally remove 
choice.  Have you ever applied for private health insurance?  If you have any 
sort of significant health condition, even if controlled, odds are they won't 
accept you.  What kind of choice is that?  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Epilogue

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> While sitting with Maharishi in 1975, someone asked, "What did Guru Dev
> actually do?" Maharishi was quiet for a moment and then said softly and
> with the simplicity of a child, "He made me."
> 


Rank 10 on the 1 to 10 narcissist scale.  

[FairfieldLife] To hell with group consciousness (Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?)

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> If Obama fails on single payer, my first thought about him from then on will 
> be that he's a house N-word, bought and paid for.  He'll have denial-ability 
> in that "we don't gots the votes, blame the Repugs," but, right now, I don't 
> see him championing single payer LIKE HE COULD if he wanted to get on the 
> stump and shout about it to the masses and really get them to flood their 
> representatives with letters and phone calls.  He's not using his group 
> consciousness currency. Why? Smells like money at work.
> 
> Edg
> 
  

Get off your ass and do something. Write Tom Harkin and Chuck Grassley and 
demand single payer or a federal option.  Here is their contact info:  
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=IA

Write your representatives as well.  

[FairfieldLife] Healthcare industry spending $1.4 million - a day - on lobbyists

[do.rflex]

The healthcare industry is spending upwards of $1.4 million each day on average 
to lobby members of Congress on health care legislation, a report issued by 
Common Cause this week reveals.

Industry spending has nearly doubled since 2000. Healthcare interests 
contributed $94 million to Congress members during the 2008 election cycle 
alone — up from $40 million in 2000.

Common Cause's report has received almost no treatment in the press — with a 
single article in Bloomberg News and one in the National Journal.

The industry is attempting to alter the course of Democrats' plans to provide 
universal health coverage for most Americans.

"The top recipients of health industry campaign contributions from 2000 to 2008 
are new Democrat Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA) and Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AK) at 
$7.3 million and $6.3 million respectively," National Journal reports. "All of 
the campaign finance data used in the report came from the Center for 
Responsive Politics.

"The report concludes that members of Congress face a disheartening conflict of 
interest: side with their large campaign donors or back reform measures that 
have support from the public, like the public plan option which would create a 
publicly-funded health insurance entity to compete with private insurers," the 
site adds.

http://snipurl.com/kxmgl  [rawstory_com] 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What if Government Ran Health Care?

[Vaj]

On Jun 26, 2009, at 12:42 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:


"It's really exciting giving up health choice
to these corrupt? politicians and their bureacratic
drones. Can't wait to become a total ward and
meat-puppet of the State."

Read more:

'What if Government Ran Health Care?'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPC6CqAFA4E


What choice?  You have an insurance company, yes? They most often  
restrict choice by paying less for "out of network" providers.   
HMOs totally remove choice.  Have you ever applied for private  
health insurance?  If you have any sort of significant health  
condition, even if controlled, odds are they won't accept you.   
What kind of choice is that?



Maine was the first state to try to offer universal health care for  
all our residents, then Mass. followed. It was basically a sliding  
scale, the less you made the less you paid. If you were poor, you  
paid nothing. The lower pay and poor folks were basically subsidized  
by the state. What ended up happening was a bunch of people who  
already had insurance, went for the cheaper state-subsidized  
insurance. Some small employers stopped providing insurance to save  
money and those people were also subsidized by the state. So it ended  
up actually costing much more, driving the state budget into  
insolvency. Hospitals are now still owed payments from over 4 years ago.



Dirigo’s lessons for national health care reform
Maine’s Dirigo experiment has been a costly failure
Tarren Bragdon

There are many well intentioned people across America advocating a  
“public option” or Washington-centered health care reform. As they  
continue their campaign, proponents should examine what has happened  
in Maine. We can share our extensive experience with a government  
option experiment of our own: Dirigo.


The similarities are striking.

Advocates begin their arguments for a government option plan by  
promising this idea is not socialized medicine, and it will work  
alongside private insurance companies already in the market. The  
government option would create a new Washington bureaucracy to  
develop, market and control new government health plans to compete  
with the plans offered by existing private insurers, allowing  
consumers to choose between the established private companies or a  
new government-run plan.


Government option proposals rely heavily on the assumption that a new  
government agency is more efficient than a for-profit or not-for- 
profit private insurance company. They promise that a new national  
bureaucracy will offer competitive, comprehensive health plans that  
cost less. Proponents admit that a government option will require  
significant taxpayer dollars during the startup phase, but will reach  
a break-even point quickly because the new government health option  
will be popular.


In fact, proponents argue, the government option policies will be  
such a perfect combination of low prices and outstanding coverage  
that previously uninsured people will see the benefit of buying this  
coverage and voluntarily do so.


Government option advocates also maintain that, because Washington- 
issued plans would cover so many previously uninsured people, the  
overall costs associated with health care will fall. These savings  
will be passed along to the government option policyholders or kept  
in the pockets of the for-profit private insurers.


The same arguments were made in Maine in 2003 when Dirigo Health was  
first enacted.


Dirigo Health was established using $53 million of one-time federal  
money. It was supposed to become a national model that would inspire  
other states to enact a similar government program. After that, it  
was to be a self-sustaining agency that sold and operated its own  
health plans. Funding would come from premiums paid by policyholders  
and through an assessment of the savings realized by private  
insurance companies when providers lowered their costs due to the  
projected drop in uninsured Mainers. Dirigo’s supporters promised the  
new government program would cover Maine’s 128,000 uninsured people  
by 2009. If those with lower incomes had trouble affording the  
monthly premiums, subsidies would be available. No new taxes would be  
imposed to pay for the government option.


Six years later, what are the results?

At launch, Dirigo limited enrollment so this new state agency could  
handle the demand for a new government plan. While Dirigo was  
promoted as an option for the uninsured, for every uninsured person  
voluntarily enrolling, two people switched from private coverage to  
government-subsidized Dirigo. Costs skyrocketed and the uninsured  
rate remained relatively flat.


Despite enthusiastic press coverage and continual promotion by state  
leaders, the initial enrollment in Maine’s government option policies  
was disappointing and things never improved at Dirigo. Due to  
financial instabilit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Healthcare industry spending $1.4 million - a day - on lobbyists

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> The healthcare industry is spending upwards of $1.4 million each day on 
> average to lobby members of Congress on health care legislation, a report 
> issued by Common Cause this week reveals.
> 
> Industry spending has nearly doubled since 2000. Healthcare interests 
> contributed $94 million to Congress members during the 2008 election cycle 
> alone — up from $40 million in 2000.
> 
> Common Cause's report has received almost no treatment in the press — with a 
> single article in Bloomberg News and one in the National Journal.
> 
> The industry is attempting to alter the course of Democrats' plans to provide 
> universal health coverage for most Americans.
> 
> "The top recipients of health industry campaign contributions from 2000 to 
> 2008 are new Democrat Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA) and Sen. Blanche Lincoln 
> (D-AK) at $7.3 million and $6.3 million respectively," National Journal 
> reports. "All of the campaign finance data used in the report came from the 
> Center for Responsive Politics.
> 
> "The report concludes that members of Congress face a disheartening conflict 
> of interest: side with their large campaign donors or back reform measures 
> that have support from the public, like the public plan option which would 
> create a publicly-funded health insurance entity to compete with private 
> insurers," the site adds.
> 
> http://snipurl.com/kxmgl  [rawstory_com]
>


This is a huge problem, as it was in the Clinton years.  That is why I've been 
posting about writing your senators and representatives.  

[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson

[Alex Stanley]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/a-tribute-to-my-friend-mi_b_221268.html

Michael Jackson will be remembered, most likely, as a shattered icon, a pop 
genius who wound up a mutant of fame. That's not who I will remember, however. 
His mixture of mystery, isolation, indulgence, overwhelming global fame, and 
personal loneliness was intimately known to me. For twenty years I observed 
every aspect, and as easy as it was to love Michael -- and to want to protect 
him -- his sudden death yesterday seemed almost fated.

Two days previously he had called me in an upbeat, excited mood. The voice 
message said, "I've got some really good news to share with you." He was 
writing a song about the environment, and he wanted me to help informally with 
the lyrics, as we had done several times before. When I tried to return his 
call, however, the number was disconnected. (Terminally spooked by his 
treatment in the press, he changed his phone number often.) So I never got to 
talk to him, and the music demo he sent me lies on my bedside table as a 
poignant symbol of an unfinished life.

When we first met, around 1988, I was struck by the combination of charisma and 
woundedness that surrounded Michael. He would be swarmed by crowds at an 
airport, perform an exhausting show for three hours, and then sit backstage 
afterward, as we did one night in Bucharest, drinking bottled water, glancing 
over some Sufi poetry as I walked into the room, and wanting to meditate.

That person, whom I considered (at the risk of ridicule) very pure, still 
survived -- he was reading the poems of Rabindranath Tagore when we talked the 
last time, two weeks ago. Michael exemplified the paradox of many famous 
performers, being essentially shy, an introvert who would come to my house and 
spend most of the evening sitting by himself in a corner with his small 
children. I never saw less than a loving father when they were together (and 
wonder now, as anyone close to him would, what will happen to them in the 
aftermath).

Michael's reluctance to grow up was another part of the paradox. My children 
adored him, and in return he responded in a childlike way. He declared often, 
as former child stars do, that he was robbed of his childhood. Considering the 
monstrously exaggerated value our society places on celebrity, which was 
showered on Michael without stint, the public was callous to his very real 
personal pain. It became another tawdry piece of the tabloid Jacko, pictured as 
a weird changeling and as something far more sinister.

It's not my place to comment on the troubles Michael fell heir to from the past 
and then amplified by his misguided choices in life. He was surrounded by 
enablers, including a shameful plethora of M.D.s in Los Angeles and elsewhere 
who supplied him with prescription drugs. As many times as he would candidly 
confess that he had a problem, the conversation always ended with a deflection 
and denial. As I write this paragraph, the reports of drug abuse are spreading 
across the cable news channels. The instant I heard of his death this 
afternoon, I had a sinking feeling that prescription drugs would play a key 
part.

The closest we ever became, perhaps, was when Michael needed a book to sell 
primarily as a concert souvenir. It would contain pictures for his fans but 
there would also be a text consisting of short fables. I sat with him for hours 
while he dreamily wove Aesop-like tales about animals, mixed with words about 
music and his love of all things musical. This project became Dancing the Dream 
after I pulled the text together for him, acting strictly as a friend. It was 
this time together that convinced me of the modus vivendi Michael had devised 
for himself: to counter the tidal wave of stress that accompanies mega-stardom, 
he built a private retreat in a fantasy world where pink clouds veiled inner 
anguish and Peter Pan was a hero, not a pathology.

This compromise with reality gradually became unsustainable. He went to strange 
lengths to preserve it. Unbounded privilege became another toxic force in his 
undoing. What began as idiosyncrasy, shyness, and vulnerability was ravaged by 
obsessions over health, paranoia over security, and an isolation that grew more 
and more unhealthy. When Michael passed me the music for that last song, the 
one sitting by my bedside waiting for the right words, the procedure for 
getting the CD to me rivaled a CIA covert operation in its secrecy.

My memory of Michael Jackson will be as complex and confused as anyone's. His 
closest friends will close ranks and try to do everything in their power to 
insure that the good lives after him. Will we be successful in rescuing him 
after so many years of media distortion? No one can say. I only wanted to put 
some details on the record in his behalf. My son Gotham traveled with Michael 
as a roadie on his "Dangerous" tour when he was seventeen. Will it matter that 
Michael behaved with discipline 

[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> off_world_beings wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  > , WillyTex  wrote:
> >
> >> off_world_beings wrote:
> >>
> >>> I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> How much would you be willing to wager?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > How do you propose to prove it?
> >
> > In answer to the statement: "I bet Turq never killed an animal for
food
> > in his life." -- I will take his silence on the matter as an
> > affirmative.
> >
> > Do you still want to take the bet Willytex?
> >
> > OffWorld
> Off, ever go fishing as a kid?>

Caught a starfish once by accident. Threw it back alive and well.

Turq never ate a single fish that he caught as a kid. I bet he is off
the coast of Spain in a leaky boat right now trying to catch a fish,
cook it up, and eat it, just so that he can answer this question in the
affirmative.

most meat-eaters are total hypocrits, and totally squeemish about
killing animals.

Do you you still want to take the bet Willytex?

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Britain has best Health system - America has worst

[off_world_beings]

Britain has the best healthcare system in the world, because it treats
the biggest percentage of the population for the price of a tiny element
on income tax. If you are trying to treat a larger swathe of the
population, then it is harder. Therefore, there it is not perfect.

But other so called socialized health systems, such as France for
example, do not get to call themselves a "socialized system" until they
are treating ALL the people - including foreign tourists, for free. They
have an easier job of it because they are not committed to health for
all as Britain is.

The US is probably the WORST in the civilized world since almost 50
million people are without health insurance - that's about 1/6 of
America's WHOLE population without insurance, about the number of the
WHOLE population of Spain.

Anyone can look good if you are dramatically limiting who has access to
health care, so America's claim to be so great is complete smoke and
mirrors.

Britain does not discriminate, and therefore it is harder to run the
system - but it is still better than the US. Britain is the best overall
health care system in the world because it tries to treat EVERYONE.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"  wrote:
> > >
> > > And how will he reincarnate?
> > > I believe he once practiced TM.
> > > Too bad they die so young.
> > 
> > This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, 
> > glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, 
> > he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his 
> > notoriety.
> 
> And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy!  :-)
> 
> John, please explain to us how the basis of your 
> belief that paying money to the "owners" of young
> boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their
> families back in India is any different than the
> ceremony performed in the video on this page:

It's all a matter of belief.  That's what counts.  If he was born into the 
Hindu culture, it would have been an act of faith for him to request the yagya 
needed to mitigate any bad karmas he may have incurred in the past or the 
present life.

Since he was born Christian, or a Jehovah Witness, it would have been an act of 
faith to request his minister to perform a ceremony or rite to give thanks for 
the benefits he had received in this life time.  For example, among Catholics 
it is part of tradition to request a mass to be requested for those who are 
sick or who have passed away.

According to MMY in his commentary to the Gita, doing TM is a form of yagya.  
We don't know if Jackson was a meditator or if he was initiated into TM, we 
don't know if he continued his practice.

Esta bien?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter L Sutphen  
wrote:
>
> 
> If he had requested yagyas he would have lived longer? I assume you are 
> joking,John.

No, I'm not joking.  Please, see my response to Barry, our resident Buddhist or 
whatever.






> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 26, 2009, at 2:02 AM, "John"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"  wrote:
> 
> And how will he reincarnate?
> I believe he once practiced TM.
> Too bad they die so young.
> 
> 
> This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money.  
> Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap 
> the benefits of his notoriety.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And how will he reincarnate?
> > > > I believe he once practiced TM.
> > > > Too bad they die so young.
> > > 
> > > This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, 
> > > glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, 
> > > he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his 
> > > notoriety.
> > 
> > And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy!  :-)
> > 
> > John, please explain to us how the basis of your 
> > belief that paying money to the "owners" of young
> > boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their
> > families back in India is any different than the
> > ceremony performed in the video on this page:
> 
> It's all a matter of belief.  That's what counts.  If he 
> was born into the Hindu culture, it would have been an 
> act of faith for him to request the yagya needed to 
> mitigate any bad karmas he may have incurred in the 
> past or the present life.
> 
> Since he was born Christian, or a Jehovah Witness, it 
> would have been an act of faith to request his minister 
> to perform a ceremony or rite to give thanks for the 
> benefits he had received in this life time.  For example, 
> among Catholics it is part of tradition to request a mass 
> to be requested for those who are sick or who have passed 
> away.
> 
> According to MMY in his commentary to the Gita, doing TM 
> is a form of yagya.  We don't know if Jackson was a 
> meditator or if he was initiated into TM, we don't know 
> if he continued his practice.
> 
> Esta bien?

I stand on my original statement:

"And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy!"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[Vaj]

On Jun 26, 2009, at 5:02 PM, John wrote:

>> And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy!  :-)
>>
>> John, please explain to us how the basis of your
>> belief that paying money to the "owners" of young
>> boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their
>> families back in India is any different than the
>> ceremony performed in the video on this page:
>
> It's all a matter of belief.  That's what counts.  If he was born  
> into the Hindu culture, it would have been an act of faith for him  
> to request the yagya needed to mitigate any bad karmas he may have  
> incurred in the past or the present life.


Since you've heard your spin on Hindu culture from a Brahmanic slant,  
this is what you believe. But not all Hindus subscribe to these  
Brahmin trappings, in fact Vedic interest is waning--dying--in India.  
It's really only the slant on "Hinduism" we got through the filter of  
the British Raj that makes it seem as if 'the Brahmins are in charge  
and what they say is they way things go'. There's more to India than  
Brahmin dreams of a mythical Vedism. Most of Hinduism in Tantric in  
origin.

There's an on-going backlash in India on the whole idea of Brahmin  
supremacy.

[FairfieldLife] FF hog lot lawsuit on court docket

[bob_brigante]

http://snipurl.com/ky8pm   
[goldentrianglenewspapers_com]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Here at last--Environmental bill up in House now.

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
> >
> > Dick Mays wrote:
> > > Environmental bill up in House now.
> > > 
> > "This idea of climate change and the Cap 
> > and Trade business is all based on a lie, 
> > just like the Patriot Acts, DHS, etc, etc, 
> > were based on the 9-11 lies. What our 
> > leaders, energy producers and whoever 
> > else that will get rich on these new 
> > laws have not been telling us is that 
> > they have been keeping some important 
> > energy technology suppressed and hidden 
> > from the general public for at least 
> > the last 100 years..."
> > 
> > Read other Prison Planet comments:
> > 
> > 'US climate change bill passes key hurdle'
> > By Philip Sherwell
> > London Telegraph, Friday, May 22, 2009 
> > http://tinyurl.com/ph5jbb
> > 
> 
> The folks at Prison Planet are whack job conspiracy nuts. Let's put a little 
> less paranoia and a little more sanity into the discussion:
> 
> "The cap-and-trade legislation supported by the Obama administration  is a 
> stealth strategy for a massive long-term tax increase. It is a large tax on 
> all American households, and the tax burden rises in future years without any 
> need for further legislation. It will evolve into an enormous new source of 
> tax revenue for the government.
> 
> "A cap-and-trade system is supposed to reduce carbon-dioxide (CO2) emissions 
> by raising the price of CO2-intensive goods and services like gasoline, 
> electricity and a wide range of industrial products. This, in theory, will 
> induce consumers to shift their spending to services and products that 
> involve lower levels of CO2 emissions. It achieves these price increases by 
> requiring firms that create CO2 in their production process, or sell goods 
> like gasoline that create CO2 when used, to have a permit per ton of CO2 
> emission."
> 
> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/06/25/cap-and-tax.aspxIf
>  
> 
> Would I rather pay income tax or happily watching my tax dollars whirl 'round 
> the bowl every time I flushed my toilet? I don't know, but definitely not 
> both. What say you?
> 
> raunchydog  
> 
snip,
 CO2 is used in some industrial applications and, is the "fizz" in the soft 
drinks amongst other things so increasing its cost will end up on us.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson

[shempmcgurk]

I'm going to say what I said about Chopra after he did his piece on Maharishi 
immediately after he died last year.

Recall that Chopra revealed private stuff about Maharishi's sickness at a time 
when Chopra was actually his formal physician (about 20 years ago).  And death 
does not sever the patient/doctor confidentiality yet here was Chopra -- 
without consent from Maharishi's estate -- revealing personal medical info 
about Maharishi.

I am convinced if someone wanted to pursue it, they could have successfully 
lodged a formal complaint against Chopra for violating that confidentiality.

I don't know if it's the same case here but Chopra is quite quick off the 
starting block to share intimate stuff about Jackson...and if Chopra was in any 
official capacity a counsellor, doctor or adviser to Jackson he very well may 
be violating that same confidentiality again by some of the stuff he writes in 
this article.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/a-tribute-to-my-friend-mi_b_221268.html
> 
> Michael Jackson will be remembered, most likely, as a shattered icon, a pop 
> genius who wound up a mutant of fame. That's not who I will remember, 
> however. His mixture of mystery, isolation, indulgence, overwhelming global 
> fame, and personal loneliness was intimately known to me. For twenty years I 
> observed every aspect, and as easy as it was to love Michael -- and to want 
> to protect him -- his sudden death yesterday seemed almost fated.
> 
> Two days previously he had called me in an upbeat, excited mood. The voice 
> message said, "I've got some really good news to share with you." He was 
> writing a song about the environment, and he wanted me to help informally 
> with the lyrics, as we had done several times before. When I tried to return 
> his call, however, the number was disconnected. (Terminally spooked by his 
> treatment in the press, he changed his phone number often.) So I never got to 
> talk to him, and the music demo he sent me lies on my bedside table as a 
> poignant symbol of an unfinished life.
> 
> When we first met, around 1988, I was struck by the combination of charisma 
> and woundedness that surrounded Michael. He would be swarmed by crowds at an 
> airport, perform an exhausting show for three hours, and then sit backstage 
> afterward, as we did one night in Bucharest, drinking bottled water, glancing 
> over some Sufi poetry as I walked into the room, and wanting to meditate.
> 
> That person, whom I considered (at the risk of ridicule) very pure, still 
> survived -- he was reading the poems of Rabindranath Tagore when we talked 
> the last time, two weeks ago. Michael exemplified the paradox of many famous 
> performers, being essentially shy, an introvert who would come to my house 
> and spend most of the evening sitting by himself in a corner with his small 
> children. I never saw less than a loving father when they were together (and 
> wonder now, as anyone close to him would, what will happen to them in the 
> aftermath).
> 
> Michael's reluctance to grow up was another part of the paradox. My children 
> adored him, and in return he responded in a childlike way. He declared often, 
> as former child stars do, that he was robbed of his childhood. Considering 
> the monstrously exaggerated value our society places on celebrity, which was 
> showered on Michael without stint, the public was callous to his very real 
> personal pain. It became another tawdry piece of the tabloid Jacko, pictured 
> as a weird changeling and as something far more sinister.
> 
> It's not my place to comment on the troubles Michael fell heir to from the 
> past and then amplified by his misguided choices in life. He was surrounded 
> by enablers, including a shameful plethora of M.D.s in Los Angeles and 
> elsewhere who supplied him with prescription drugs. As many times as he would 
> candidly confess that he had a problem, the conversation always ended with a 
> deflection and denial. As I write this paragraph, the reports of drug abuse 
> are spreading across the cable news channels. The instant I heard of his 
> death this afternoon, I had a sinking feeling that prescription drugs would 
> play a key part.
> 
> The closest we ever became, perhaps, was when Michael needed a book to sell 
> primarily as a concert souvenir. It would contain pictures for his fans but 
> there would also be a text consisting of short fables. I sat with him for 
> hours while he dreamily wove Aesop-like tales about animals, mixed with words 
> about music and his love of all things musical. This project became Dancing 
> the Dream after I pulled the text together for him, acting strictly as a 
> friend. It was this time together that convinced me of the modus vivendi 
> Michael had devised for himself: to counter the tidal wave of stress that 
> accompanies mega-stardom, he built a private retreat in a fantasy world where 
> pink c

[FairfieldLife] What's sauce for the health care insurance goose...

[shempmcgurk]

...is sauce for the Social Security gander.

In discussing his health care plans, President Obama this week said that people 
who believe in free enterprise shouldn't feel threatened by the government 
health care insurance plan he is proposing that would compete with private 
plans.
 
Okay, Mr. Obama, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
 
Let those who want their own private pension plans opt out of Social Security 
and, instead, put their contributions into a competing plan.
 
 
From: http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-06-24-voa12.cfm :
 
"Mr. Obama, along with many Democratic senators, favors a government-sponsored 
insurance plan that will compete with private insurers so uninsured Americans 
will be able to afford health insurance. Senate Republicans, as well as some 
Democrats, believe the option will run private insurers out of business. 

"But the president dismissed these concerns during a White House press 
conference Tuesday. 

"He said if private insurers are giving consumers the best possible deal, then 
it would not be logical to suggest the public plan will represent an unfair 
competition."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> I'm going to say what I said about Chopra after he did his piece on Maharishi 
> immediately after he died last year.
> 
> Recall that Chopra revealed private stuff about Maharishi's sickness at a 
> time when Chopra was actually his formal physician (about 20 years ago).  And 
> death does not sever the patient/doctor confidentiality yet here was Chopra 
> -- without consent from Maharishi's estate -- revealing personal medical info 
> about Maharishi.
> 
> I am convinced if someone wanted to pursue it, they could have successfully 
> lodged a formal complaint against Chopra for violating that confidentiality.
> 
> I don't know if it's the same case here but Chopra is quite quick off the 
> starting block to share intimate stuff about Jackson...and if Chopra was in 
> any official capacity a counsellor, doctor or adviser to Jackson he very well 
> may be violating that same confidentiality again by some of the stuff he 
> writes in this article.
>(snip)
I don't know if any precedent has been set, for something like this, but it 
seems like it would be an interesting legal case...
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Ah, the Shempster is back....

[shempmcgurk]

Yeah, what happened last week is that I was really watching my post count but I 
actually thought Thursday was Friday and so went over by one.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"  wrote:
> > >
> > > And how will he reincarnate?
> > > I believe he once practiced TM.
> > > Too bad they die so young.
> > 
> > This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, 
> > glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, 
> > he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his 
> > notoriety.
> 
> And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy!  :-)
> 
> John, please explain to us how the basis of your 
> belief that paying money to the "owners" of young
> boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their
> families back in India is any different than the
> ceremony performed in the video on this page:
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/gay-exorcism-video-manife_n_221155.html
> 
> In the video, a church in Connecticut performs an
> exorcism to rid a young man of his homosexuality.
> No shit. ( As a side note to those who have been
> following the latest episodes of "True Blood," 
> does this not remind you of the anti-vampire
> Bible thumpers in that series? )
> 
> So explain to me, John, how your belief that paying
> young slave-boys to chant for you will extend your
> life is that much different than these people 
> believing that chanting the name of Jeezuz will
> "cure" this kid of being gay. 
> 
> I mean...I'm really curious. To me, *both* beliefs
> look crazier to me than Michael Jackson believing
> that sleeping in a glass "Snow White's coffin" with
> oxygen pumped into it at high pressure would keep
> *him* alive and well and moonwalking forever.
> 
> All I can do is shake my head and wonder at the silly
> things that human beings believe, and the things they
> focus on. Two "celebrities" (our modern age's replace-
> ment for "gods") die on the same day, and of one -- a
> child molester who was so addicted to plastic surgery
> that he turned himself into one of his own monsters
> from "Thriller" -- some crazed fan says, "No joke. 
> King of Pop is no more. Wow. It's like when Kennedy 
> was assassinated. I will always remember being in 
> Times Square when Michael Jackson died."
> 
> Meanwhile, another celebrity, she of the blonde hair,
> far-too-many-teeth and perky nipples, garners mainly
> tributes from her friends and family. *Her* death does
> not seem to be causing crowds to form in Times Square,
> possibly because she represented a *healthy* sexuality
> and people prefer their sexuality either repressed 
> (like John) or bent (like the fans of MJ). 
> 
> I am reminded of the announcer on French television
> who used to end his broadcast by reading the latest
> outrage, like George W. Bush lobbying to be nominated
> for the Nobel Peace Prize, and then looking into the
> camera and saying, "Le monde est fou, fou, fou."
> 
> "The world is crazy, crazy, crazy."
>
Like 'The Beatles' claimed, in the last line of their last song:
'The love you take, is equal to the love, you make...

How much did this soul, touch all the other souls?
Someone like the Princess of Wales, Diana, touched our collective soul...
Someone like John Lennon, touched all of our souls...

Some other ones, when they die, we breath a sigh of relief...

Some other die, like Elinor Rigby, who picks up the rice, where a wedding has 
been...
Others like Father McKinsey, wipes the dirt from his hands, as he walks from 
her grave...
All the lonely people, where do they all come from?
All the lonely people, where do they all belong?

Robert.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:44 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

I'm going to say what I said about Chopra after he did his piece on  
Maharishi immediately after he died last year.


Recall that Chopra revealed private stuff about Maharishi's sickness  
at a time when Chopra was actually his formal physician (about 20  
years ago).  And death does not sever the patient/doctor  
confidentiality yet here was Chopra -- without consent from  
Maharishi's estate -- revealing personal medical info about Maharishi.


I am convinced if someone wanted to pursue it, they could have  
successfully lodged a formal complaint against Chopra for violating  
that confidentiality.


I don't know if it's the same case here but Chopra is quite quick  
off the starting block to share intimate stuff about Jackson...and  
if Chopra was in any official capacity a counsellor, doctor or  
adviser to Jackson he very well may be violating that same  
confidentiality again by some of the stuff he writes in this article.


I didn't see anything that looked confidence-violating
in what he  wrote.  Looked pretty much like just
reflections to me.

I take it you're not a big Chopra fan, shemp.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 26, 2009, at 5:02 PM, John wrote:
> 
> >> And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy!  :-)
> >>
> >> John, please explain to us how the basis of your
> >> belief that paying money to the "owners" of young
> >> boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their
> >> families back in India is any different than the
> >> ceremony performed in the video on this page:
> >
> > It's all a matter of belief.  That's what counts.  If he was born  
> > into the Hindu culture, it would have been an act of faith for him  
> > to request the yagya needed to mitigate any bad karmas he may have  
> > incurred in the past or the present life.
> 
> 
> Since you've heard your spin on Hindu culture from a Brahmanic slant,  
> this is what you believe. But not all Hindus subscribe to these  
> Brahmin trappings, in fact Vedic interest is waning--dying--in India.  
> It's really only the slant on "Hinduism" we got through the filter of  
> the British Raj that makes it seem as if 'the Brahmins are in charge  
> and what they say is they way things go'. There's more to India than  
> Brahmin dreams of a mythical Vedism. Most of Hinduism in Tantric in  
> origin.
> 
> There's an on-going backlash in India on the whole idea of Brahmin  
> supremacy.
>
I think this is an ongoing backlash around the world, 
For anyone preaching against materialism...

The supremacy now in India, is measured in dollars and cents, or rupees, same 
thing...

When in Roma, do what the Roma's do doo...

R.G.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Call your Congress Critters for Public Option Health Care

[Bhairitu]

raunchydog wrote:
> Today I contacted Dave Lobesack's office in D.C. and suggested that Dave
> make a statement of support on his website for the public option in the
> health care reform bill. I'll be watching.
>
> I am on the Central Committee for Dave's district 2. I campaigned for
> him and I know him personally. I called Dave's assistant on her cell
> phone today and asked if Dave agrees with the Public Option in principle
> and she said yes.
>
> Sen. Harkin has said he would not favor a health care reform bill that
> did not have a public option. Dave will probably follow Harkin's lead.
> The only thing that could derail him is that he is up for reelection in
> a district that always voted Republican before he won office.  I hope he
> doesn't have to pander to his conservative constituents.
>
> I'm good friends with State Sen. Becky Schmidt and I will talk to her
> tomorrow about getting Dave on board. I spoke to our Central Committee
> Chairperson today and she said she will call Dave personally.
>
> Everyone, please call or write your congress critters today.
>
>   
We shouldn't have to be activists 24/7.  It is getting ridiculous.  
Someone is betting that we'll tire and they'll be able to steamroller 
over us.  This is what we elect representatives for.  We have to find 
people that will represent us and not the f'ing lobbyists!  If your rep 
votes against his constituents throw them out!!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> I'm going to say what I said about Chopra after he did
> his piece on Maharishi immediately after he died last year.
> 
> Recall that Chopra revealed private stuff about
> Maharishi's sickness at a time when Chopra was
> actually his formal physician (about 20 years ago).
> And death does not sever the patient/doctor
> confidentiality yet here was Chopra -- without
> consent from Maharishi's estate -- revealing
> personal medical info about Maharishi.
> 
> I am convinced if someone wanted to pursue it,
> they could have successfully lodged a formal
> complaint against Chopra for violating that
> confidentiality.
> 
> I don't know if it's the same case here but
> Chopra is quite quick off the starting block
> to share intimate stuff about Jackson...and if
> Chopra was in any official capacity a counsellor,
> doctor or adviser to Jackson he very well may be
> violating that same confidentiality again by
> some of the stuff he writes in this article.

Don't know about the legal issue, but it's pretty
interesting how his stories about both MMY and
Jackson seem all to revolve around *him*, Chopra,
and how selflessly he helped them out--saved MMY's
life, nursed him back to health; wrote Jackson's
books and lyrics for him, introduced him to his
children's nanny. I mean, if Chopra had preserved
confidentialit, we'd never have heard of any of
this, now, would we?

Gosh, do you think Chopra will become one of the
media's go-to guys for insider reminiscences about
Jackson--especially dirt about his drug use--now
that Chopra's written this article?

And this is intriguing:

> When Michael passed me the music for that last
> song, the one sitting by my bedside waiting for
> the right words, the procedure for getting the
> CD to me rivaled a CIA covert operation in its
> secrecy.

What do you want to bet it was so "secret" that
it'll turn out nobody on Jackson's staff knew
anything about it? And of course Chopra would
never produce the CD in question; that would be
betraying Jackson's confidence...

[FairfieldLife] ‘The American Medical System Killed Michael Jackson’

[Robert]

‘The American Medical System Killed Michael Jackson’

As well as the Entertainment Industry...

He had all the insurance and health care money could buy...
He had all his drugs, legally prescribed...
He had all his surgeries, legally done, by legal professionals

Michael Jackson, is the latest casuality of the American Medical System...
Which can be deadly, to mind, body and spirit...

When will we as a nation, wake up,
And begin to recognize truth from fiction...
Reality from illusion?

Robert Gimbel  Madison, WI



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Epilogue

[meowthirteen]

-- 










Here 
let me turn you

there

see

Narcissistic?

No.


Once upon a time

I came upon a park
in this park
was a man
who
looked
and he saw

Some do not look
Some do not see

He saw
and he opened his mouth
out of his mouth came 
words
but they  came out in the form of an embrace
He extended his hand
in it was a stone

Hope was in it

It was a gift
he explained

In my cold cold portion of the world 
that felt so unnourishing
so empty
so unfriendly
so hopeless

Now
so full
welcoming
hopeful

I am getting well
I was losing myself
grasping on

I can relate to the statement
'he made me'
in this way

Glorious thing
tending to a soul
pulling some weeds
planting some flowers
checking on it 
as if it were some Thing
of value
watering it
with encouragement dust in the voice
the part of the voice in between the words

I think it a humble thing
to credit another soul with yours.


Pouring light into another's eyes
my
that's Glorious

Just gracious Truth
he made me



Be made
Drink in all the light
dear Ones




























- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > While sitting with Maharishi in 1975, someone asked, "What did Guru Dev
> > actually do?" Maharishi was quiet for a moment and then said softly and
> > with the simplicity of a child, "He made me."
> > 
> 
> 
> Rank 10 on the 1 to 10 narcissist scale.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to say what I said about Chopra after he did
> > his piece on Maharishi immediately after he died last year.
> > 
> > Recall that Chopra revealed private stuff about
> > Maharishi's sickness at a time when Chopra was
> > actually his formal physician (about 20 years ago).
> > And death does not sever the patient/doctor
> > confidentiality yet here was Chopra -- without
> > consent from Maharishi's estate -- revealing
> > personal medical info about Maharishi.
> > 
> > I am convinced if someone wanted to pursue it,
> > they could have successfully lodged a formal
> > complaint against Chopra for violating that
> > confidentiality.
> > 
> > I don't know if it's the same case here but
> > Chopra is quite quick off the starting block
> > to share intimate stuff about Jackson...and if
> > Chopra was in any official capacity a counsellor,
> > doctor or adviser to Jackson he very well may be
> > violating that same confidentiality again by
> > some of the stuff he writes in this article.
> 
> Don't know about the legal issue, but it's pretty
> interesting how his stories about both MMY and
> Jackson seem all to revolve around *him*, Chopra,
> and how selflessly he helped them out--saved MMY's
> life, nursed him back to health; wrote Jackson's
> books and lyrics for him, introduced him to his
> children's nanny. I mean, if Chopra had preserved
> confidentialit, we'd never have heard of any of
> this, now, would we?
> 
> Gosh, do you think Chopra will become one of the
> media's go-to guys for insider reminiscences about
> Jackson--especially dirt about his drug use--now
> that Chopra's written this article?
> 
> And this is intriguing:
> 
> > When Michael passed me the music for that last
> > song, the one sitting by my bedside waiting for
> > the right words, the procedure for getting the
> > CD to me rivaled a CIA covert operation in its
> > secrecy.
> 
> What do you want to bet it was so "secret" that
> it'll turn out nobody on Jackson's staff knew
> anything about it? And of course Chopra would
> never produce the CD in question; that would be
> betraying Jackson's confidence...
>
Chopra will do anything, to be 'In' with the 'In Crowd'...
He wants to be 'The Elvis' of Gurus, for the West...
With his 'Elton John' glasses, he's quite a sight,
For sore eyes...
r.g.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:44 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > I'm going to say what I said about Chopra after he did his piece on  
> > Maharishi immediately after he died last year.
> >
> > Recall that Chopra revealed private stuff about Maharishi's sickness  
> > at a time when Chopra was actually his formal physician (about 20  
> > years ago).  And death does not sever the patient/doctor  
> > confidentiality yet here was Chopra -- without consent from  
> > Maharishi's estate -- revealing personal medical info about Maharishi.
> >
> > I am convinced if someone wanted to pursue it, they could have  
> > successfully lodged a formal complaint against Chopra for violating  
> > that confidentiality.
> >
> > I don't know if it's the same case here but Chopra is quite quick  
> > off the starting block to share intimate stuff about Jackson...and  
> > if Chopra was in any official capacity a counsellor, doctor or  
> > adviser to Jackson he very well may be violating that same  
> > confidentiality again by some of the stuff he writes in this article.
> 
> I didn't see anything that looked confidence-violating
> in what he  wrote.  Looked pretty much like just
> reflections to me.
> 
> I take it you're not a big Chopra fan, shemp.
> 
> Sal
>


I like a lot of what Chopra says and writes.  And then there's stuff he is just 
stupid about.

What i object to about him is his "Dauphin" airs, a kinda arrogance about him.  
The Maharishi piece I refer to above really was beyond the pale...not that I 
didn't like the piece and the info which I found fascinating...but the mere 
fact that he left it up to himself to publish stuff that he had no business 
revealing.

[FairfieldLife] You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)

[seekliberation]

Offworld,

quick question, i'm not very full of knowledge on the subject of socialized 
medicine vs. capitalist/insurance form of medical care.  So it's hard for me to 
have a real opinion here.  I only have one observation, and it is based on my 
own limited experience of my family and employment for the last 17 years.  (you 
being from Europe where there is socialized medicine may be more knowledgeable).

After I turned 18 I had no form of health care.  Nor did my mother, father, 
sister, or aunt.   What I find funny is that although we didn't have medical 
insurance, my sister had a convertible mazda miata, I always had an average of 
1k to 2k in the bank at all times, everyone else had cable TV, and relatively 
nice cars and decent homes as well.  I also remember members of my family 
spending quite large amounts of money on home improvements, cigarrettes, 
alcohol, and many other things.  

In addition, I remember most co-workers that I worked with over the years 
having the same issue.  No health or dental insurance, but they always had 
money to spend on a dimebag, or quarterbag of weed every weekend.  They always 
had a case of beer in the fridge, new rims on their cars, and badass stereos in 
their cars.  

These days, people I run into from my old high school or I hear about other 
friends and family who don't have medical insurance.  But what they do have is 
an IPOD, cable TV, a rather nice car, home entertainment system, etc the 
list goes on.  

I recently looked up the average cost of health insurance per year for an 
adult.  It's $1800 per year, roughly.  Obviously if you're a crack whore living 
on a freeway in a war zone during a soccer riot, you may have to add a little 
to that premium.  

So here's my theory:  Even if i'm totally maxed out and broke at the end of any 
given month, what would I have to do to get health coverage (assuming 1800/yr 
average)?  Basically, I need another $150 a month.  But what if my M-F 40hr 
week job doesn't cover that?  Ok, if I get a part time job on a weekend, one 
night a week making 7.25/hr for 8 hours would that cover it?  7.25X8 is about 
$60, 60 X 4 weeks is 240 a month, and that's well over what I would need for 
health coverage.  But I think the reality is that after doing all that work, a 
typical American will not spend their money on health coverage.  They will buy 
a dime bag, a case of beer, pay their cable bill, buy an IPOD, or like me go to 
the pistol/rifle range on the weekend or jiu-jitsu practice with that money.  

My theory is that 'most' Americans who don't have health insurance don't have 
it because their priorities are fucked up.  Or better put, their thirst for 
entertainment outweighs their own long term well being.  And therefore, there 
is no political agenda that will fix this situation.  As Ron White put it "You 
Can't Fix Stupid".  As I always say at the end, I know there are some rare 
exceptions, but I have seen very few(like blind or deaf people who can't work, 
or retarded people, permenantly crippled, etc...).  

Now keep in mind, I've been surrounded by less educated people than what most 
here are on FFL, to include you Offworld.  Also, even though i've traveled 
through over 40 countries, I never lived there.  So I don't really know what's 
best or not.  But I still tend to lean towards the philosophy that 'most' 
Americans who have fucked up lives are that way due to poor decision making and 
lack of personal growth and wisdom, as opposed to the idea that we have a 
purely evil government.  

Just wonder what your input is, along with anyone else.

seekliberation




> Britain has the best healthcare system in the world, because it treats
> the biggest percentage of the population for the price of a tiny element
> on income tax. If you are trying to treat a larger swathe of the
> population, then it is harder. Therefore, there it is not perfect.
> 
> But other so called socialized health systems, such as France for
> example, do not get to call themselves a "socialized system" until they
> are treating ALL the people - including foreign tourists, for free. They
> have an easier job of it because they are not committed to health for
> all as Britain is.
> 
> The US is probably the WORST in the civilized world since almost 50
> million people are without health insurance - that's about 1/6 of
> America's WHOLE population without insurance, about the number of the
> WHOLE population of Spain.
> 
> Anyone can look good if you are dramatically limiting who has access to
> health care, so America's claim to be so great is complete smoke and
> mirrors.
> 
> Britain does not discriminate, and therefore it is harder to run the
> system - but it is still better than the US. Britain is the best overall
> health care system in the world because it tries to treat EVERYONE.
> 
> OffWorld
>

[FairfieldLife] video Deepak on MJ

[amarnath]

after 2 mins into the video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#31574845  

[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
> 
> Yep, even lazy vegetarians have more endurance than athletic
> meat-eaters:
> 
> "Of the three groups compared, the... flesh-eaters showed far less
> endurance than the abstainers (vegetarians), even when the latter were
> leading a sedentary life."
> Overall, the average score of the vegetarians was over double the
> average score of the meat-eaters, even though half of the vegetarians
> were sedentary people, while all of the meat-eaters tested were
> athletes.
> 
> A comparable study was done by Dr. J. Ioteyko of the Academie de
> Medicine of Paris. Dr. Ioteyko compared the endurance of vegetarians and
> meat-eaters from all walks of life in a variety of tests. The
> vegetarians averaged two to three times more stamina than the
> meat-eaters. Even more remarkably, they took only one-fifth the time to
> recover from exhaustion compared to their meat-eating rivals.
> 
> Wherever and whenever tests of this nature have been done, the results
> have been similar. Doctors in Belgium systematically compared the number
> of times vegetarians and meat-eaters could squeeze a grip-meter. The
> vegetarians won handily with an average of 69, whilst the meat-eaters
> averaged only 38. As in all other studies which have measured muscle
> recovery time, here, too the vegetarians bounced back from fatigue far
> more rapidly than did the meat-eaters."" --
> http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/books/dietamerica.html
> 

In this day and age, competitive athletes will do just about *anything* to get 
an edge up over the next guy, so if vegetarian diets provide such spectacularly 
improved athletic performance over diets containing meat, why aren't most 
athletes vegetarians? It doesn't make sense to me. So, I thought I'd look into 
the two studies cited on the michaelbluejay.com page. I found lots of vegan 
sites that mention them, but it took quite a bit of digging to find any 
background on them at all. As it turns out, both studies date back to around 
1907. 

I discussed this with my trainer this morning, and he agreed with me that the 
logical explanation is that a person eating a vegetarian diet, higher in carbs, 
would have greater glycogen stores and replenish them more quickly. It would be 
interesting to see some newer studies of this phenomenon.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Call your Congress Critters for Public Option Health Care

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> raunchydog wrote:
> > Today I contacted Dave Lobesack's office in D.C. and suggested that Dave
> > make a statement of support on his website for the public option in the
> > health care reform bill. I'll be watching.
> >
> > I am on the Central Committee for Dave's district 2. I campaigned for
> > him and I know him personally. I called Dave's assistant on her cell
> > phone today and asked if Dave agrees with the Public Option in principle
> > and she said yes.
> >
> > Sen. Harkin has said he would not favor a health care reform bill that
> > did not have a public option. Dave will probably follow Harkin's lead.
> > The only thing that could derail him is that he is up for reelection in
> > a district that always voted Republican before he won office.  I hope he
> > doesn't have to pander to his conservative constituents.
> >
> > I'm good friends with State Sen. Becky Schmidt and I will talk to her
> > tomorrow about getting Dave on board. I spoke to our Central Committee
> > Chairperson today and she said she will call Dave personally.
> >
> > Everyone, please call or write your congress critters today.
> >
> >   
> We shouldn't have to be activists 24/7.   
It is getting ridiculous.  
> Someone is betting that we'll tire and they'll be able to steamroller 
> over us.  This is what we elect representatives for.  We have to find 
> people that will represent us and not the f'ing lobbyists!  If your rep 
> votes against his constituents throw them out!!!
>

Robert, How will you know to "throw them out" unless you pay attention to what 
your elected officials do? Call your congress critters and ask if they will or 
will not vote for health care reform without a public option. If a bill does 
not include a public option they should vote against it. Ask your congress 
person to make a statement of support for a public option on their website. Get 
them to promise, then hold them to account to "we the people" not the 
lobbyists. Thank you for your willingness to be a citizen "activist." 

[FairfieldLife] To hell with group consciousness (Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?)

[WillyTex]

Duveyoung wrote:
> Fuck yagyas.
>
Apparently Obama believes in the power of 
group prayer and from what I've read, he
donates thousands of dollars every year to
prayer groups and the Christian church.

WASHINGTON – War-funding legislation survived 
a fierce partisan battle in the House on 
Tuesday, a major step in providing commanders 
in Iraq and Afghanistan the money they would 
need for military operations in the coming
months...

Read more:

'House passes $106 billion war funding bill'
By Jim Abrams
Associated Press, June 16, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/ntcgqx

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Call your Congress Critters for Public Option Health Care

[Bhairitu]

raunchydog wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> raunchydog wrote:
>> 
>>> Today I contacted Dave Lobesack's office in D.C. and suggested that Dave
>>> make a statement of support on his website for the public option in the
>>> health care reform bill. I'll be watching.
>>>
>>> I am on the Central Committee for Dave's district 2. I campaigned for
>>> him and I know him personally. I called Dave's assistant on her cell
>>> phone today and asked if Dave agrees with the Public Option in principle
>>> and she said yes.
>>>
>>> Sen. Harkin has said he would not favor a health care reform bill that
>>> did not have a public option. Dave will probably follow Harkin's lead.
>>> The only thing that could derail him is that he is up for reelection in
>>> a district that always voted Republican before he won office.  I hope he
>>> doesn't have to pander to his conservative constituents.
>>>
>>> I'm good friends with State Sen. Becky Schmidt and I will talk to her
>>> tomorrow about getting Dave on board. I spoke to our Central Committee
>>> Chairperson today and she said she will call Dave personally.
>>>
>>> Everyone, please call or write your congress critters today.
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> We shouldn't have to be activists 24/7.   
>> 
> It is getting ridiculous.  
>   
>> Someone is betting that we'll tire and they'll be able to steamroller 
>> over us.  This is what we elect representatives for.  We have to find 
>> people that will represent us and not the f'ing lobbyists!  If your rep 
>> votes against his constituents throw them out!!!
>>
>> 
>
> Robert, How will you know to "throw them out" unless you pay attention to 
> what your elected officials do? Call your congress critters and ask if they 
> will or will not vote for health care reform without a public option. If a 
> bill does not include a public option they should vote against it. Ask your 
> congress person to make a statement of support for a public option on their 
> website. Get them to promise, then hold them to account to "we the people" 
> not the lobbyists. Thank you for your willingness to be a citizen "activist." 
(Not Robert) Read what I said again.  I said "24/7" or IOW all the 
time.  I am commenting that in general the public would like a public 
option and most likely single payer.   I already wrote my 
congresscritters via email.  Got a reply from Senator Boxer but not from 
Feinstein yet. She sucks up to the money.   I call my Congressman.  But 
what I'm saying is we should with the public opinion the way it is be 
able to put them on cruise control and do what the public wants.   No we 
have big fucking corporations with "personhood" that mean more to our 
congresscritters than the public.  Further evidence that capitalism is a 
sham.

I could give a shit if single payer wipes out a bunch of health 
insurance companies.  They fucking deserve it and their CEOs poverty.  
What a bunch of crooks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.

[WillyTex]

> > > I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
> > >
> > How much would you be willing to wager?
> >
off_world_beings wrote:
> How do you propose to prove it?
> 
It doesn't work that way; it's your bet.

You specify how much you are willing to
wager and I match it or raise you and 
and call your bet; then you show your 
proof. How do you propose to prove it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Call your Congress Critters for Public Option Health Care

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > raunchydog wrote:
> > > Today I contacted Dave Lobesack's office in D.C. and suggested that Dave
> > > make a statement of support on his website for the public option in the
> > > health care reform bill. I'll be watching.
> > >

> > > I am on the Central Committee for Dave's district 2. I campaigned for
> > > him and I know him personally. I called Dave's assistant on her cell

> > > phone today and asked if Dave agrees with the Public Option in principle
> > > and she said yes.
> > >
> > > Sen. Harkin has said he would not favor a health care reform bill that
> > > did not have a public option. Dave will probably follow Harkin's lead.
> > > The only thing that could derail him is that he is up for reelection in
> > > a district that always voted Republican before he won office.  I hope he
> > > doesn't have to pander to his conservative constituents.
> > >
> > > I'm good friends with State Sen. Becky Schmidt and I will talk to her
> > > tomorrow about getting Dave on board. I spoke to our Central Committee
> > > Chairperson today and she said she will call Dave personally.
> > >
> > > Everyone, please call or write your congress critters today.
> > >
> > >   
> > We shouldn't have to be activists 24/7.   
> It is getting ridiculous.  
> > Someone is betting that we'll tire and they'll be able to steamroller 
> > over us.  This is what we elect representatives for.  We have to find 
> > people that will represent us and not the f'ing lobbyists!  If your rep 
> > votes against his constituents throw them out!!!
> >
> 
> Robert, How will you know to "throw them out" unless you pay attention to 
> what your elected officials do? Call your congress critters and ask if they 
> will or will not vote for health care reform without a public option. If a 
> bill does not include a public option they should vote against it. Ask your 
> congress person to make a statement of support for a public option on their 
> website. Get them to promise, then hold them to account to "we the people" 
> not the lobbyists. Thank you for your willingness to be a citizen "activist."
>
Yes, this is a good thing to keep the pressure on...

My congress person, is Tammi Baldwin, who always votes the right way...

Also, we have Russ Feingold, and Herb Kohl...
they generally vote the right way...

I would suggest, that we also 'Hold the Vibration' of it already manifesting...

In other words, 'Feel' that the vote has already taken place, that this goes 
through...

Also, 'Feel' that the obvious dysfunction of the current system, when exposed 
to the 'Light of Consciousness' will collapse...

As, now is the time, to project 'Consciousness' in order for 'it' to purify and 
shine light on what is the 'Simple Solution'...

It's really simple, if we take the time to really actually in consciousness, 
what we want, and what we as a culture, deserve...

Robert.

[FairfieldLife] To hell with group consciousness (Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?)

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> Duveyoung wrote:
> > Fuck yagyas.
> >
> Apparently Obama believes in the power of 
> group prayer and from what I've read, he
> donates thousands of dollars every year to
> prayer groups and the Christian church.
> 
> WASHINGTON – War-funding legislation survived 
> a fierce partisan battle in the House on 
> Tuesday, a major step in providing commanders 
> in Iraq and Afghanistan the money they would 
> need for military operations in the coming
> months...
> 
> Read more:
> 
> 'House passes $106 billion war funding bill'
> By Jim Abrams
> Associated Press, June 16, 2009
> http://tinyurl.com/ntcgqx
>
'The Power of Prayer' is what got Barack Obama elected in the 'First Place!'...
r.g.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Epilogue

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "meowthirteen"  wrote:
>
> --  
> Here 
> let me turn you
> 
> there
> 
> see
> 
> Narcissistic?
> 
> No.
> 
> 
> Once upon a time
> 
> I came upon a park
> in this park
> was a man
> who
> looked
> and he saw
> 
> Some do not look
> Some do not see
> 
> He saw
> and he opened his mouth
> out of his mouth came 
> words
> but they  came out in the form of an embrace
> He extended his hand
> in it was a stone
> 
> Hope was in it
> 
> It was a gift
> he explained
> 
> In my cold cold portion of the world 
> that felt so unnourishing
> so empty
> so unfriendly
> so hopeless
> 
> Now
> so full
> welcoming
> hopeful
> 
> I am getting well
> I was losing myself
> grasping on
> 
> I can relate to the statement
> 'he made me'
> in this way
> 
> Glorious thing
> tending to a soul
> pulling some weeds
> planting some flowers
> checking on it 
> as if it were some Thing
> of value
> watering it
> with encouragement dust in the voice
> the part of the voice in between the words
> 
> I think it a humble thing
> to credit another soul with yours.
> 
> 
> Pouring light into another's eyes
> my
> that's Glorious
> 
> Just gracious Truth
> he made me
> 
> 
> 
> Be made
> Drink in all the light
> dear Ones
> 
> 

a humble truth
well spoken
without guile
wide-eyed 
innocence
sees clearly

the bitter pride
of cynicism 
remaining ever
cold as stone
upbraids 
the innocent
crushes hope
and ridicules
with laughter

generosity 
of spirit
warmed by hope
urges belief
and gratitude


 
> 
> - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > While sitting with Maharishi in 1975, someone asked, "What did Guru Dev
> > > actually do?" Maharishi was quiet for a moment and then said softly and
> > > with the simplicity of a child, "He made me."
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rank 10 on the 1 to 10 narcissist scale.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.

[bob_brigante]

> I discussed this with my trainer this morning, and he agreed with me
that the logical explanation is that a person eating a vegetarian diet,
higher in carbs, would have greater glycogen stores and replenish them
more quickly. It would be interesting to see some newer studies of this
phenomenon.
>


*



Throw in some caffeine with those cards, too:

http://njfrogman.blogspot.com/2009/03/caffeine-and-carbohydrates-perform\
ance.html


Repeated studies have shown that consuming caffeine and carbohydrates
before and during workouts <#>  improves performance in many cases. 
Researchers from Australia have just published a report in the Journal
of Applied Physiology that says these substances quickly replenish the
fuel supply to the muscles when consumed after a workout, too.

http://medheadlines.com/2008/07/02/caffeine-carbs-quickly-refuel-muscles\
-spent-during-exercise/

[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.

[bob_brigante]

> I discussed this with my trainer this morning, and he agreed with me that the 
> logical explanation is that a person eating a vegetarian diet, higher in 
> carbs, would have greater glycogen stores and replenish them more quickly. It 
> would be interesting to see some newer studies of this phenomenon.
>

**

"The question of whether the multiple benefits of vegetarian
dietary practices extend to enhanced physical fitness and performance
has been explored since the early 20th century, when a
few simple studies reported greater muscular endurance in vegetarian
than in nonvegetarian subjects, but these results were not
confirmed in subsequent research

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/70/3/570S.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Call your Congress Critters for Public Option Health Care

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> 
> (Not Robert) Read what I said again.  I said "24/7" or IOW all the 
> time.  I am commenting that in general the public would like a public 
> option and most likely single payer.   I already wrote my 
> congresscritters via email.  Got a reply from Senator Boxer but not from 
> Feinstein yet. She sucks up to the money.   I call my Congressman.  But 
> what I'm saying is we should with the public opinion the way it is be 
> able to put them on cruise control and do what the public wants.   No we 
> have big fucking corporations with "personhood" that mean more to our 
> congresscritters than the public.  Further evidence that capitalism is a 
> sham.
> 
> I could give a shit if single payer wipes out a bunch of health 
> insurance companies.  They fucking deserve it and their CEOs poverty.  
> What a bunch of crooks.
>

Ooopsie! Not Robert. Sorry. Good on ya for being righteously pissed off enough 
to write your congress critters. Hear! Hear!

[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
>
> > I discussed this with my trainer this morning, and he
> > agreed with me that the logical explanation is that a
> > person eating a vegetarian diet, higher in carbs, would
> > have greater glycogen stores and replenish them more
> > quickly. It would be interesting to see some newer
> > studies of this phenomenon.
>
> **
>
> "The question of whether the multiple benefits of vegetarian
> dietary practices extend to enhanced physical fitness and
> performance has been explored since the early 20th century,
> when a few simple studies reported greater muscular endurance
> in vegetarian than in nonvegetarian subjects, but these results
> were not confirmed in subsequent research
>
> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/70/3/570S.pdf

Off will probably refute this by saying that
the athletes involved in these studies hadn't
studied Shotokan Karate long enough, and/or
weren't from Vermont or of Scot heritage, and
thus don't count. That's his idea of "peer-
reviewed science."  :-)

What's fascinating to me is that this whole
discussion/argument springs from me posting a
simple graphic that I found on Digg commenting
(rather hilariously, I thought) on the perceived
difference between Vegans and Carnivores, as
measured by their respective needs for "support."
(reposted below)

What followed on FFL was a "pile on fest" of
people committed to the theoretical benefits of
vegetarianism "supporting" each other by putting
down the low-vibe meat eaters. Whereas the meat
eaters, IMO because they have no such need for
"props" to shore up their shaky beliefs in diet,
remained silent.

As I expected (and was the whole point of sharing
the graphic), those who were heavily invested in
and attached to a belief system "banded together"
into defensive "support groups" to prop up their
beliefs by agreeing with each other, "preaching to
the converted," and putting down the beliefs of
those who don't agree with them. In other words,
they did exactly the same things they do when any
of  their other spiritually-related beliefs are ques-
tioned or challenged on this forum.  :-)

As for Off's hysterical "bet," just in case no
one noticed, I never claimed to be a "shoot-em
and eat-em" type myself. He made that up. For
the record, although I hunted and fished in my
youth, and yes, dined quite happily on the results,
I don't do so these days. But if it helps Willytex
to win the bet, I will be happy to take a photo
of myself in the kitchen next time I am cooking
lobsters.  :-)

Bottom line of this thread:

* I eat what the fuck I want.
* I feel neither the need to apologize for that
   nor to proselytize its benefits.
* I don't consider anyone "better" or "worse" or
   "higher" or "lower" than I am because of what they
   choose to eat.
* If you do, and furthermore feel that you need to
   band together with others to "prove" your superiority,
   I'd say that your "spiritual" diet isn't working
   nearly as well as you think it is.  :-)