Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
I'm just saddened that some react to discovering that they've been manipulated by a group that claims to have all the answers by fleeing to another group that claims to have all the answers. I don't see this as progress, merely exchanging one set of chains for another. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 5:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? I enjoyed his story and I'm happy for him. I will say Michael, that the Kundalini energy is a real thing, by whatever name it goes by. And I have experiences with it, quite apart from the practice of any eastern form of mediation. And it surprises me, not the least, if people might get freaked out by some of them manifestations that energy can take. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Sounds like an interesting book. Shame about the appalling title. I think the tagline should read: One Man's Escape from Insanity' is the story of Shuvender Sem, who, 10 years later, we are now going to pretend that on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer' to sell more books. Maybe it covers this, but here is also an interesting story about how some people with latent psychosis are adversely affected by TM and the TMSP. I've known a couple myself. Maybe they do too much, maybe they would have had a breakdown anyway, but they say that about those people who are insane after a hit of LSD. Some things open unconscious wounds and we all know that TM is much more than just a relaxation technique. But it's impossible to say for sure. I think it's just hopelessly ineffective with deep psychological problems, a bit of seratonin goes a long way but it isn't a cure all. But I seem to remember some research claiming that TM lowers psychotic succeptability, didn't help a friend of mine and the people in the TMO had no way of dealing with it which I seem to remember was the main problem at MUM. Most interesting aspect of it for cult watchers was the news blackout, a murder on campus didn't even make the student newspaper! I'm all for global good news but that was sinister, our very own Bob Brigante commented that it's like living in North Korea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held in its strongest grips, and managed to escape. Shuvender Sem, or Shubi as he is known, now speaks publicly about his experience with schizophrenia in the hopes of helping others. He is available for presentations and QA sessions for law enforcement, mental health groups, attorney associations, academic institutions and others who may feel they can benefit from his story. The self-told story of Shuvender Sem, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity is available at
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
I disagree, he seems to be lecturing on ways to cope with schizophrenia. From his webpage: Shubi’s first-hand experience with paranoid schizophrenia has given the medical community fresh eyes on how to define and promote mental health. His nationally renowned struggle with mental health and his subsequent exploration of the science behind schizophrenia has made him insightful in the field. He now spends his time speaking to law enforcement agencies, universities, and community organizations on how to best understand, work with, and support individuals suffering from mental illness. His speeches are designed to give the public insight into mental illness and institutionalization. Rather than focusing on medical terminology, these presentations explore Shubi’s unique experience and recount what it is like to suffer, to work hard day after day to regain health, and to ultimately recover. Which is all for the best. So he's not really making money from the MUM murder. Sad as it is, a verdict of not guilty by way of insanity means there is no doubt he wasn't responsible. Psychosis is highly disturbing for the person experiencing it and involves a complete break with reality. However hard it is for friends and family to stomach, some people really are not to blame for what they do. It's an extremely rare verdict actually, a lot of murders try it to get put in hospital rather than prison but the jury is unconvinced, this guy must have been in a terrible state for even the prosecution to agree. As it is we don't know how he copes personally with the guilt of what he did. Probably in the book. I've known schizophrenics and if they even remember what happened to them during an episode it's like living in a nightmare where they have no control over what happens to them and just have to try and cope later. A shattering of your sense of reality must be the most disconcerting experience and probably the hardest to get over as you can't really trust reality ever again. Maybe we should be applauding this guy for trying to make it easier for others? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I find this utterly appalling and repellant. This man should not make money from the murder of Levi Butler. Whoever encouraged him to write this book and make himself available for lectures and God knows what should not have done so. This man should perform penance in private and be very humble about it. He was given a second chance; Levi got no chance at all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
It sounds like something good is happening! But I've always thought that if Jesus is the answer you've asked the wrong question. Out of the frying pan. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You decide: http://www.thetruelight.net/personalstories/kaidruhl.htm http://www.thetruelight.net/personalstories/kaidruhl.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS. On the other hand, the Maharishi Murderer *IS* exactly what he was. What makes such PR excess possible are the extravagant (and clearly untrue) claims made by MUM about what an ideal society it represents, and how violence and crime simply can't exist inside the awesome Field Of Woo generated by the domes. When you've made claims like that and then had them proved untrue, *of course* you pretend the event never happened in your campus newspapers. Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer Sounds like an interesting book. Shame about the appalling title. I think the tagline should read: One Man's Escape from Insanity' is the story of Shuvender Sem, who, 10 years later, we are now going to pretend that on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer' to sell more books. Maybe it covers this, but here is also an interesting story about how some people with latent psychosis are adversely affected by TM and the TMSP. I've known a couple myself. Maybe they do too much, maybe they would have had a breakdown anyway, but they say that about those people who are insane after a hit of LSD. Some things open unconscious wounds and we all know that TM is much more than just a relaxation technique. But it's impossible to say for sure. I think it's just hopelessly ineffective with deep psychological problems, a bit of seratonin goes a long way but it isn't a cure all. But I seem to remember some research claiming that TM lowers psychotic succeptability, didn't help a friend of mine and the people in the TMO had no way of dealing with it which I seem to remember was the main problem at MUM. Most interesting aspect of it for cult watchers was the news blackout, a murder on campus didn't even make the student newspaper! I'm all for global good news but that was sinister, our very own Bob Brigante commented that it's like living in North Korea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
While your approach to this is rational, Salyavin, I think you have to remember that you're not dealing with rational people. They're ANGRY at Shuvender Sem, and want to see him PAY. Not for the murder, but for revealing once and for all that the ME is a lie. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer I disagree, he seems to be lecturing on ways to cope with schizophrenia. From his webpage: Shubi’s first-hand experience with paranoid schizophrenia has given the medical community fresh eyes on how to define and promote mental health. His nationally renowned struggle with mental health and his subsequent exploration of the science behind schizophrenia has made him insightful in the field. He now spends his time speaking to law enforcement agencies, universities, and community organizations on how to best understand, work with, and support individuals suffering from mental illness. His speeches are designed to give the public insight into mental illness and institutionalization. Rather than focusing on medical terminology, these presentations explore Shubi’s unique experience and recount what it is like to suffer, to work hard day after day to regain health, and to ultimately recover. Which is all for the best. So he's not really making money from the MUM murder. Sad as it is, a verdict of not guilty by way of insanity means there is no doubt he wasn't responsible. Psychosis is highly disturbing for the person experiencing it and involves a complete break with reality. However hard it is for friends and family to stomach, some people really are not to blame for what they do. It's an extremely rare verdict actually, a lot of murders try it to get put in hospital rather than prison but the jury is unconvinced, this guy must have been in a terrible state for even the prosecution to agree. As it is we don't know how he copes personally with the guilt of what he did. Probably in the book. I've known schizophrenics and if they even remember what happened to them during an episode it's like living in a nightmare where they have no control over what happens to them and just have to try and cope later. A shattering of your sense of reality must be the most disconcerting experience and probably the hardest to get over as you can't really trust reality ever again. Maybe we should be applauding this guy for trying to make it easier for others? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I find this utterly appalling and repellant. This man should not make money from the murder of Levi Butler. Whoever encouraged him to write this book and make himself available for lectures and God knows what should not have done so. This man should perform penance in private and be very humble about it. He was given a second chance; Levi got no chance at all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS. Yes, well spotted. I saw only the sensational aspect through my bleary morning eyes. On the other hand, the Maharishi Murderer *IS* exactly what he was. What makes such PR excess possible are the extravagant (and clearly untrue) claims made by MUM about what an ideal society it represents, and how violence and crime simply can't exist inside the awesome Field Of Woo generated by the domes. When you've made claims like that and then had them proved untrue, *of course* you pretend the event never happened in your campus newspapers. Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. I think the excess of hyperbole in the TMO is always going to be a problem. Words like ideal and invincible are all very well but it's all rather easily disproved. Somehow, terms like Same as everywhere else or We're only as good as the people who come and stay aren't going to be such a big draw. But they won't backfire either... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer Sounds like an interesting book. Shame about the appalling title. I think the tagline should read: One Man's Escape from Insanity' is the story of Shuvender Sem, who, 10 years later, we are now going to pretend that on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer' to sell more books. Maybe it covers this, but here is also an interesting story about how some people with latent psychosis are adversely affected by TM and the TMSP. I've known a couple myself. Maybe they do too much, maybe they would have had a breakdown anyway, but they say that about those people who are insane after a hit of LSD. Some things open unconscious wounds and we all know that TM is much more than just a relaxation technique. But it's impossible to say for sure. I think it's just hopelessly ineffective with deep psychological problems, a bit of seratonin goes a long way but it isn't a cure all. But I seem to remember some research claiming that TM lowers psychotic succeptability, didn't help a friend of mine and the people in the TMO had no way of dealing with it which I seem to remember was the main problem at MUM. Most interesting aspect of it for cult watchers was the news blackout, a murder on campus didn't even make the student newspaper! I'm all for global good news but that was sinister, our very own Bob Brigante commented that it's like living in North Korea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with respect to this man and the incident: 1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner proclaiming it during the incident); 2) there's a circle the wagons attitude to try and protect the organization, the technique and the mystique that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's attitudes towards ever aspect of life can't possibly be wrong in even the tiniest iota. Those two things together brought about this tragedy: The kid grew to believe that he could go off his meds without telling anyone because he believed that TM was all he needed because that was what everyone else around him believed as well. No-one was willing to alert anyone in authority that he was showing signs of instability, and when his actions became so extreme that there was no way to deny that something was seriously wrong, the Powers that Be still chose to try to deny that they needed to turn to outside help. The result was a murder, and two simultaneous lawsuits that nearly bankrupt MUM -one from the family of the murder victim, and one from the family of the murderer. Only now are they recovering from the financial fallout, from what I can tell. A similar story lies behind the recent violence at the pundit compound. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS. Yes, well spotted. I saw only the sensational aspect through my bleary morning eyes. On the other hand, the Maharishi Murderer *IS* exactly what he was. What makes such PR excess possible are the extravagant (and clearly untrue) claims made by MUM about what an ideal society it represents, and how violence and crime simply can't exist inside the awesome Field Of Woo generated by the domes. When you've made claims like that and then had them proved untrue, *of course* you pretend the event never happened in your campus newspapers. Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. I think the excess of hyperbole in the TMO is always going to be a problem. Words like ideal and invincible are all very well but it's all rather easily disproved. Somehow, terms like Same as everywhere else or We're only as good as the people who come and stay aren't going to be such a big draw. But they won't backfire either... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer Sounds like an interesting book. Shame about the appalling title. I think the tagline should read: One Man's Escape from Insanity' is the story of Shuvender Sem, who, 10 years later, we are now going to pretend that on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer' to sell more books. Maybe it covers this, but here is also an interesting story about how some people with latent psychosis are adversely affected by TM and the TMSP. I've known a couple myself. Maybe they do too much, maybe they would have had a breakdown anyway, but they say that about those people who are insane after a hit of LSD. Some things open unconscious wounds and we all know that TM is much more than just a relaxation technique. But it's impossible to say for sure. I think it's just hopelessly ineffective with deep psychological problems, a bit of seratonin goes a long way but it isn't a cure all. But I seem to remember some research claiming that TM lowers psychotic succeptability, didn't help a friend of mine and the people in the TMO had no way of dealing with it which I seem to remember was the main problem at MUM. Most interesting aspect of it for cult watchers was the news blackout, a murder on campus didn't even make the student newspaper! I'm all for global good news but that was sinister, our very own Bob Brigante commented that it's like living in North Korea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with respect to this man and the incident: 1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner proclaiming it during the incident); 2) there's a circle the wagons attitude to try and protect the organization, the technique and the mystique that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's attitudes towards ever aspect of life can't possibly be wrong in even the tiniest iota. Those two things together brought about this tragedy: The kid grew to believe that he could go off his meds without telling anyone because he believed that TM was all he needed because that was what everyone else around him believed as well. No-one was willing to alert anyone in authority that he was showing signs of instability, and when his actions became so extreme that there was no way to deny that something was seriously wrong, the Powers that Be still chose to try to deny that they needed to turn to outside help. The result was a murder, and two simultaneous lawsuits that nearly bankrupt MUM -one from the family of the murder victim, and one from the family of the murderer. Only now are they recovering from the financial fallout, from what I can tell. It's a shocking story from every angle. I hope some sort of lesson got learned at MUM. Obviously the TMO still keeps up it's pretence of perfection but everyone should have learned something about mental health and the limits of meditating. It isn't going to fix things like this and is likely to make them worse. I've seen it myself a couple of times. No one got hurt, the sufferers just got sent into the care of the health service. A similar story lies behind the recent violence at the pundit compound. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS. Yes, well spotted. I saw only the sensational aspect through my bleary morning eyes. On the other hand, the Maharishi Murderer *IS* exactly what he was. What makes such PR excess possible are the extravagant (and clearly untrue) claims made by MUM about what an ideal society it represents, and how violence and crime simply can't exist inside the awesome Field Of Woo generated by the domes. When you've made claims like that and then had them proved untrue, *of course* you pretend the event never happened in your campus newspapers. Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. I think the excess of hyperbole in the TMO is always going to be a problem. Words like ideal and invincible are all very well but it's all rather easily disproved. Somehow, terms like Same as everywhere else or We're only as good as the people who come and stay aren't going to be such a big draw. But they won't backfire either... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer Sounds like an interesting book. Shame about the appalling title. I think the tagline should read: One Man's Escape from Insanity' is the story of Shuvender Sem, who, 10 years later, we are now going to pretend that on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer' to sell more books. Maybe it covers this, but here is also an interesting story about how some people with latent psychosis are adversely affected by TM and the TMSP. I've known a couple myself. Maybe they do too much, maybe they would have had a breakdown anyway, but they say that about those people who are insane after a hit of LSD. Some things open unconscious wounds and we all know that TM is much more than just a relaxation technique. But it's impossible to say for sure. I think it's just hopelessly ineffective with deep psychological problems, a bit of seratonin goes a long way but it isn't a cure all. But I seem to remember some research claiming that TM lowers psychotic succeptability, didn't help a friend of mine and the people in the TMO had no way of dealing with it which I seem to remember was the main problem at MUM. Most interesting aspect of it for cult watchers was the news blackout, a murder on campus didn't even make the student newspaper! I'm all for global good news but that was sinister, our very own Bob Brigante commented that it's like living in North Korea. ---In
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held in its strongest grips, and managed to escape. Shuvender Sem, or Shubi as he is known, now speaks publicly about his experience with schizophrenia in the hopes of helping others. He is available for presentations and QA sessions for law enforcement, mental health groups, attorney associations, academic institutions and others who may feel they can benefit from his story. The self-told story of Shuvender Sem, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity is available at http://www.ShuvenderSem.com/ http://www.ShuvenderSem.com/ . The book is available in paperback; as well as Kindle, iPad and Nook digital editions.
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From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. I repeat my contention about not dealing with rational people. Nabby goes on to make excuses for Shuvender Sem (and, conveniently, for the TMO), while wanting revenge against Michael for merely quoting a line from the PR blurb he reposted. Nabby is clearly not the *least* bit upset about the murder. He's upset that a new round of publicity is going to begin exposing the Maharishi Effect as the lie it always was, and the defenders of it as the liars they always were. The larger issue he will never deal with is WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a student 'doing program' as he was told to do in the exact dead center of all of this powerful Woo Woo went off and killed someone? According to official TM press releases and dogma, this is simply not possible. And yet it happened. Rather than deal with this, and the fact that it provides convincing proof that the ME is and always was a lie, Nabby would prefer to shoot (or in this case, sue) the messenger. What a classic cultist he is, and what a waste of human life. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held in its strongest grips, and managed to escape. Shuvender Sem, or Shubi as he is known, now speaks publicly about his experience with schizophrenia in the hopes of helping others. He is available for presentations and QA sessions for law enforcement, mental health groups, attorney associations, academic institutions and others who may feel they can benefit from his story. The self-told story of Shuvender Sem, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity is available at http://www.ShuvenderSem.com/ . The book is available in paperback; as well as Kindle, iPad and Nook digital editions.
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14,827 were murdered in the USA last year, that's 4,7 pr 100.000 people. The comparable rate is 0.4 in Japan, 0.8 in Germany, 1.0 in Australia 1.1 in France and 1.2 in Britain. That's more worrying than one murder in Fairfield or what one retarded poster to an obscure blog is capable of doing in RL.
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14,827 were murdered in the USA last year, that's 4,7 pr 100.000 people. The comparable rate is 0.4 in Japan, 0.8 in Germany, 1.0 in Australia 1.1 in France and 1.2 in Britain. That's more worrying than one murder in Fairfield or what one retarded poster, to an obscure blog run by an administrator happy to let it remain un-moderated, is capable of doing in RL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. I repeat my contention about not dealing with rational people. Nabby goes on to make excuses for Shuvender Sem (and, conveniently, for the TMO), while wanting revenge against Michael for merely quoting a line from the PR blurb he reposted. Nabby is clearly not the *least* bit upset about the murder. He's upset that a new round of publicity is going to begin exposing the Maharishi Effect as the lie it always was, and the defenders of it as the liars they always were. The larger issue he will never deal with is WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a student 'doing program' as he was told to do in the exact dead center of all of this powerful Woo Woo went off and killed someone? According to official TM press releases and dogma, this is simply not possible. And yet it happened. Rather than deal with this, and the fact that it provides convincing proof that the ME is and always was a lie, Nabby would prefer to shoot (or in this case, sue) the messenger. What a classic cultist he is, and what a waste of human life. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held in its strongest grips, and managed to escape. Shuvender Sem, or Shubi as he is known, now speaks publicly about his experience with schizophrenia in the hopes of helping others. He is available for presentations and QA sessions for law enforcement, mental health groups, attorney associations, academic
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
So the countries with the highest percentage of TMers - and living in coherence creating groups - have the highest murder rate? Fascinating. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 14,827 were murdered in the USA last year, that's 4,7 pr 100.000 people. The comparable rate is 0.4 in Japan, 0.8 in Germany, 1.0 in Australia 1.1 in France and 1.2 in Britain. That's more worrying than one murder in Fairfield or what one retarded poster, to an obscure blog run by an administrator happy to let it remain un-moderated, is capable of doing in RL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. I repeat my contention about not dealing with rational people. Nabby goes on to make excuses for Shuvender Sem (and, conveniently, for the TMO), while wanting revenge against Michael for merely quoting a line from the PR blurb he reposted. Nabby is clearly not the *least* bit upset about the murder. He's upset that a new round of publicity is going to begin exposing the Maharishi Effect as the lie it always was, and the defenders of it as the liars they always were. The larger issue he will never deal with is WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a student 'doing program' as he was told to do in the exact dead center of all of this powerful Woo Woo went off and killed someone? According to official TM press releases and dogma, this is simply not possible. And yet it happened. Rather than deal with this, and the fact that it provides convincing proof that the ME is and always was a lie, Nabby would prefer to shoot (or in this case, sue) the messenger. What a classic cultist he is, and what a waste of human life. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held in its strongest grips, and managed to escape. Shuvender Sem, or Shubi as he is known, now
[FairfieldLife] Is an out-of-body experience a mere hallucination?
The papaya story is the most highly dubious thing I've read in a long time, and of course the plural of anecdote isn't data. But some people will take anything as confirmation of what they want to be true. Like the alien abduction victim who was observed to be asleep in her car during an abduction. Bit of a giveaway but not unexpected the way these supernormal things generally go. Is an out-of-body experience a mere hallucination? Is astral projection or an out-of-body experience (OOBE) merely a form of hallucination? This is what some neuroscientists in Canada think, after watching what is happening in the brain of a young woman who is able to induce OOBE at will. The case, which has gained considerable attention on the Internet, was separately reported by Don Butler and Jordan Kushins, based on the studies of Claude Messier, a psychology professor, and Andra Smith, associate professor at the University of Ottawa in 2012, but only recently published in “Frontiers in Human Neuroscience.” This Canadian woman claimed she had been able to trigger conscious astral projection since she was 4 or 5 years old, especially when she was bored during sleep time in preschool. She has been doing it ever since. She considers her ability normal and natural, with nothing supernatural, pathological or abnormal about it. In fact, she thought everybody could do it. According to her, she was able to see herself rotating in the air above her body, lying flat, and rolling along with the horizontal plane. She reported sometimes watching herself move from above, but remained aware of her unmoving rigid body. The subject reported no particular emotions linked to the experience. According to the article by Jordan Kushins, the researchers found that something dramatic and consistent with her account was happening in her brain. “The MRI showed a strong deactivation of the visual cortex while activating the left side of several areas associated with kinesthetic imagery, which includes mental imagery of bodily movement. This is the part of the brain that makes it possible for us to interact with the world. It is what makes you feel where your body is in relation to the world.” So, is astral projection or out-of-body experience real? Does the astral body or soul go out of the physical body during astral projection? The Ottawa University researchers did not think so. “The brain scans show that she’s going through what she is claiming, but that does not mean her ‘soul’ is getting out of her body. This is not an astral trip described by mystics. There is no paranormal activity of any kind… Scientists believe that these out-of-body experiences are a type of hallucination triggered by some neurological mechanism. This neurological mechanism may be present in other people, too, and some people, like this woman, may train themselves to activate it.” It is amazing how scientists can conclude that the soul or astral body does not go out of the physical body during an out-of-body experience and that there is nothing paranormal in this activity based on just one case study. It is entirely possible that, in the case of this woman, the astral body or “soul” never left her physical body, but other cases that I have come across seem to indicate otherwise. Remote viewing What if, for instance, the projected astral body is seen by another person from afar? During a remote viewing exercise I conducted in my ESP seminar, in which I asked each participant to go mentally to the house of his partner whom he has not met before, the sister of one participant saw somebody peeping from outside their gate. When the sister was asked to describe who she saw and about what time she saw the man at the gate, she replied, “He had a round face, crew-cut hair, eyeglasses, a blue shirt and black pants.” The description fit the partner of my participant perfectly. This participant was not aware that he had projected his astral body out of his physical body, and was seen at home by the sister of his partner. The other case was related to me by the father of two teenaged daughters in Parañaque City. The sisters had developed the skill of going out of their bodies at will, so the father decided to conduct impromptu experiments with them. In one experiment, the father told one daughter to go to a forested place. As she was walking there in her astral body, her left shoulder was pricked by a thorn from a plant, and it hurt. So she shot right back to her body. When she came back, her left shoulder had the scratch marks of a thorn. The other daughter, who also projected herself to a place where there were plenty of trees, reported seeing papaya trees with ripe papaya fruits. The father asked her to take a bite of one of the fruits. When she came back to her physical body, she had a piece of papaya in her mouth. Now, how would scientists explain such cases with their theory that astral
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
I think you are right about that - I thought the UK press had dubbed him the Maharishi Murderer but I may be incorrect On Tue, 4/8/14, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 2:28 AM This whole tragic incident was discussed extensively on FFL at the time it happened. I never heard the phrase The Maharishi Murderer. I think Sem has just made it up to get publicity for his book. I also find it regrettable that he uses the word murder in the title. It's as if he is laughing at the justice system. After all, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but now he wants to boast about being a murderer. Disgusting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was pretty surprised too - I think if he just said that he had mental problems and this is how he dealt with it, that would be one thing, but using the handle that apparently was given him by the press is capitalizing on what he did - not the first killer to do so, but opportunistic I think. I wonder if the Butler family knows he is doing this? Wonder what happened to the guy he got the knife from, Joel Wysong? Did MUM censure him for poor judgement at all? Another interesting thing that I got from an article about this is former MUM professor Dr Kai Druhl. I looked him up online and see that he has a TM story to tell - after years of TM and being governor and MUM faculty, he jumped ship and has very little good to say about TM - he's a born again Christian. This is what he said about MUM at the time of the murder Dr Kai Druhl taught physics at the university for 13 years. He has since left to teach at a college 20 miles away after becoming disenchanted with the movement. He said: 'There were certainly initial benefits for some of the students but the promise of complete enlightenment is just not true ... it just doesn't happen and I saw how this intense meditation can damage some students, particularly if they have mental problems.' Druhl recalled a student with schizophrenia being told to come off his medication, as meditation along with a herbal remedy would cure him. The student had a major breakdown. Druhl described a culture where such events were treated as 'top secret'. He said: 'There was a definite understanding between staff members that you must not allow any bad news to leak out. You were required to keep up this image of a perfect campus at all costs. On Mon, 4/7/14, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 10:47 PM I find this utterly appalling and repellant. This man should not make money from the murder of Levi Butler. Whoever encouraged him to write this book and make himself available for lectures and God knows what should not have done so. This man should perform penance in private and be very humble about it. He was given a second chance; Levi got no chance at all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
I guess I was surprised that someone who went so far on the TM path (governor, faculty, etc) would do such a 180 On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 3:53 AM I enjoyed his story and I'm happy for him. I will say Michael, that the Kundalini energy is a real thing, by whatever name it goes by. And I have experiences with it, quite apart from the practice of any eastern form of mediation. And it surprises me, not the least, if people might get freaked out by some of them manifestations that energy can take. What do you think?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
When I was at MIU there was a kid, I forget how old, I think around 11 or 12 maybe who came onto campus riding his bike I think right around dark. He entered campus on the lower entrance and the MIU security had put a chain across the entrance to keep people from coming in by automobile. Trouble was, they had put no flags or other identifying markers on the chain and in fog or after dark it was very hard to see it till you were right up on it. The kid hit the chain, fell off his bike and sustained injuries such that he was paralyzed. The doctors said he would not recover and would be paralyzed for life. Facing a lifetime of medical bills and dealing with that type of injury the parents chose to sue the university for not having made the chain easy to see and thereby easier to avoid hitting. I remember hearing one faculty member telling one of the kitchen staff it was so unfortunate that the parents were behaving so badly as to sue MIU and they were accruing some really bad karma. On Tue, 4/8/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 9:04 AM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with respect to this man and the incident: 1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner proclaiming it during the incident); 2) there's a circle the wagons attitude to try and protect the organization, the technique and the mystique that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's attitudes towards ever aspect of life can't possibly be wrong in even the tiniest iota. Those two things together brought about this tragedy: The kid grew to believe that he could go off his meds without telling anyone because he believed that TM was all he needed because that was what everyone else around him believed as well. No-one was willing to alert anyone in authority that he was showing signs of instability, and when his actions became so extreme that there was no way to deny that something was seriously wrong, the Powers that Be still chose to try to deny that they needed to turn to outside help. The result was a murder, and two simultaneous lawsuits that nearly bankrupt MUM -one from the family of the murder victim, and one from the family of the murderer. Only now are they recovering from the financial fallout, from what I can tell. It's a shocking story from every angle. I hope some sort of lesson got learned at MUM. Obviously the TMO still keeps up it's pretence of perfection but everyone should have learned something about mental health and the limits of meditating. It isn't going to fix things like this and is likely to make them worse. I've seen it myself a couple of times. No one got hurt, the sufferers just got sent into the care of the health service. A similar story lies behind the recent violence at the pundit compound. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS. Yes, well spotted. I saw only the sensational aspect through my bleary morning eyes. On the other hand, the Maharishi Murderer *IS* exactly what he was. What makes such PR excess possible are the extravagant (and clearly untrue) claims made by MUM about what an ideal society it represents, and how violence and crime simply can't exist inside the awesome Field Of Woo generated by the domes. When you've made claims like that and then had them proved untrue, *of course* you pretend the event never happened in your campus newspapers. Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. I think the excess of hyperbole in the TMO is always going to be a problem. Words like ideal and invincible are all very well but it's all rather easily disproved. Somehow, terms like Same as everywhere else or We're only as good as the people who come and stay aren't going to be such a big draw. But they won't backfire either... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer Sounds like an interesting book. Shame about the appalling title. I think the tagline should read: One
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Good one Sal! On Tue, 4/8/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 10:55 AM So the countries with the highest percentage of TMers - and living in coherence creating groups - have the highest murder rate? Fascinating. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 14,827 were murdered in the USA last year, that's 4,7 pr 100.000 people. The comparable rate is 0.4 in Japan, 0.8 in Germany, 1.0 in Australia 1.1 in France and 1.2 in Britain.That's more worrying than one murder in Fairfield or what one retarded poster, to an obscure blog run by an administrator happy to let it remain un-moderated, is capable of doing in RL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. I repeat my contention about not dealing with rational people. Nabby goes on to make excuses for Shuvender Sem (and, conveniently, for the TMO), while wanting revenge against Michael for merely quoting a line from the PR blurb he reposted. Nabby is clearly not the *least* bit upset about the murder. He's upset that a new round of publicity is going to begin exposing the Maharishi Effect as the lie it always was, and the defenders of it as the liars they always were. The larger issue he will never deal with is WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a student 'doing program' as he was told to do in the exact dead center of all of this powerful Woo Woo went off and killed someone? According to official TM press releases and dogma, this is simply not possible. And yet it happened. Rather than deal with this, and the fact that it provides convincing proof that the ME is and always was a lie, Nabby would prefer to shoot (or in this case, sue) the messenger. What a classic cultist he is, and what a waste of human life. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
how could they sue me? I didn't make the title up. On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 9:19 AM With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held in its strongest grips, and managed to escape. Shuvender Sem, or Shubi as he is known, now speaks publicly about his experience with schizophrenia in the hopes of helping others. He is available for presentations and QA sessions for law enforcement, mental health groups, attorney associations, academic institutions and others who may feel they can benefit from his story. The self-told story of Shuvender Sem, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity is available at http://www.ShuvenderSem.com/ . The book is available in paperback; as well as Kindle, iPad and Nook digital editions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/7/2014 8:41 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I also have to point out that he is not the only one to be doing TM regularly and commit a crime - fraud, sex crimes, murder and attempted murder. And I don't think it can all be laid at the door of they had an underlying mental imbalance before they started doing TM esp in the case of someone who was doing TM regularly for years before the crimes were committed. Add to that the number of long term TM'ers who committed suicide and attempted to commit suicide and the pic is not so nice. So, what are the statistics - how many people started TM and how many fraud, sex-crimes, murder and suicide were committed since 1955? From what I've read millions of people have tried TM and we know of one murder and maybe a few frauds, but how many events can be directly caused by practicing the TM basic meditation? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube
On 4/7/2014 2:35 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: They say the reason they're doing this is because HBO Go crashed mightily last night while trying to support the new episode of Game Of Thrones and thus wasn't available for anyone to watch this one. Addressing the important issues!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/7/2014 5:11 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Never pass up a tragedy to win a religious debate. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/8/2014 7:17 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I think you are right about that You got to work really early today!
[FairfieldLife] Scots to be free?
So Sal, what do you think of the bid for Scottish independence?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/8/2014 8:05 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I just hope that one day Maybe it's time for you to take responsibility for your own actions, and get to work, instead of obsessing about John and Bevan. Have you considered getting some cult-exit counseling? Why not contact John Knapp? You might even get your SSI to pay for it. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Scots to be free?
Should be a boon for Mel Gibson . On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:46 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: So Sal, what do you think of the bid for Scottish independence?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/8/2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. This is funny - Barry probably never set foot on the MUM campus, or even the campus in Vlodrop, NE where Barry lived for years. Go figure. Even funnier is that Barry wants to speak for those who are actually on the MUM campus and posting here now. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
On 4/7/2014 10:53 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: And it surprises me, not the least, if people might get freaked out by some of them manifestations that energy can take. It may be surprising, but not compared to the usual freak-outs some people go through in the waking state almost every day. When I'm meditating, if I experience a burst of energy, that's a good thing. On the other hand, a guy I know got freaked out Sunday when the newspaper didn't show up in his front yard. Some people are freaking out over in Ukraine today. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/8/2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. This is funny - Barry probably never set foot on the MUM campus, or even the campus in Vlodrop, NE where Barry lived for years. Go figure. Even funnier is that Barry wants to speak for those who are actually on the MUM campus and posting here now. Go figure. C'mon Richard, you and I both know Bawwy knows everything that's worth knowing. He is the pulse upon which we must all place our finger if we want to know the skinny on any subject. His is the last word, the first word, the word in the middle. He needs us, without his audience he ceases to exist. Now, behave and don't talk back to him - he doesn't like it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/8/2014 2:17 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: While your approach to this is rational, Salyavin, I think you have to remember that you're not dealing with rational people. We are not dealing with rational people - if they were rational, they wouldn't murder students at school. They're ANGRY at Shuvender Sem, and want to see him PAY. Well, I guess they are angry and that's why they filed the law suits against Sem and MUM. Go figure. Not for the murder, but for revealing once and for all that the ME is a lie. You sound confused - the family of the victim is angry for revealing that the ME is a lie? You're not even making any sense today.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scots to be free?
I'm not really sure what the fuss is about to be honest. They want to keep the pound as currency, they want to keep the queen as head of state, they want to share the military. It's a poor sounding independence so far! But I don't think it will happen as the Bank of England has made it clear that they can't have monetary union because it means we'd have to bail them out. Those days are over. They will have to join the Euro which most Scots will hate as they won't be able to nip south of the border for anything, and it has its own risks anyway. Unless they get a Scottish currency together, can't see that being a success as there's hardly anyone living there. So they'd be better off all round staying part of the UK as all the tax is shared out round the provinces. Basically I just think they want to be free of the associations of the past and make their own rules and feel like they aren't being run from London any more, which is fair enough. And they hate Tories up there so if they get a YES on polling day and leave the Great British Empire I'll go and live up there for sure. Buy myself a croft on the Isle of Skye and I'll be in heaven. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So Sal, what do you think of the bid for Scottish independence?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Steve, your last two paragraphs make a lot of sense to me based on my own experience. I think in general it's wise to take what's good about someone or something and leave the rest. UNLESS there's violence happening in which case I think it's essential to do what one can to prevent it, even if that's only speaking out about it. On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 7:50 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
On 4/8/2014 4:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a student 'doing program' as he was told to do in the exact dead center of all of this powerful Woo Woo went off and killed someone? Now this is not funny - Barry's guru was into the powerful Woo Woo, up to, and including the day he committed suicide and killed himself, and almost killed his date, instead of seeking professional help. WTF went wrong with the supposed American Buddhism that a spiritual teacher like Lenz was seen floating, instead of levitating over a lake? It doesn't even make any sense. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] #11# [toreflect] #1# Flowers of Forgiveness
To Reflect... Flowers of Forgiveness and if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well (Mathew 5:40). One day, when Stan Mooneyham walked along a trail in East Africa with some friends, he smelled a delicious perfume in the air. He looked up at the trees, and around at the bushes, trying to discover where that marvellous frangrance came from. Seeing Stan's effort his friends told him to look down, to the small blue flowers along the trail. While they crushed the tiny flowers with their feet, their perfume would fill the air. His friends told him: We call them the flowers of forgiveness. They d o not wait for us to forgive them for crushing them. They do not send their perfume in small doses, nor do they expect anything in return from us. They do not wait for excuses; they freely forgive, completely and richly. What a moving example of so gr eat a forgiveness! And we, are we ready to forgive? Are we ready to forget the evil that is done to us, instead of revengeful returning the evil, do we understand that the Lord desires that our attitudes, though we are hurt, should be pure love? Are we convinced that we should shine even when the hurts stimulate us to keep the light turned off? The most effective revenge of a true Christian is in reaching out to whoever turns his back on you; it is to smile with sympathy to whoever frowns with anger; it is to help win the person who works only to destroy you. The world is perishing in darkness ... we walk in the presence of God. The world hoards selfishness ... we distribute generosity. The world preaches unbelief ... we believe and share our faith. If a person insists on taking away your peace, take the time to offer him your love, your hope and your joy, and your abundant life, a hand to help him reach Heaven. Sow, each day, flowers of forgiveness in your heart. The world around you will be more beautiful, more agreeable, more perfumed. Paulo Barbosa A blind in internet
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Where, exactly, Barry, does Nabby make excuses for Shuvender Sem and for the TMO? I couldn't find that part of his post. Could you quote it for us, please? Unless, of course, it was just your fantasy. After all, the notion that Nabby would be upset that a new round of publicity is going to begin exposing the Maharishi Effect is just Barry's fantasy as well. He's imagining, apparently, that Sem's book is about to explode into national bestsellerdom. He seems to have failed to notice that the PR blurb Michael posted is dated February 2013, more than a year ago. The book itself was published (self-published via Amazon's CreateSpace) in September 2012. And its current Amazon bestseller rank is #2,222,248. Oopsie. With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. I repeat my contention about not dealing with rational people. Nabby goes on to make excuses for Shuvender Sem (and, conveniently, for the TMO), while wanting revenge against Michael for merely quoting a line from the PR blurb he reposted. Nabby is clearly not the *least* bit upset about the murder. He's upset that a new round of publicity is going to begin exposing the Maharishi Effect as the lie it always was, and the defenders of it as the liars they always were. The larger issue he will never deal with is WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a student 'doing program' as he was told to do in the exact dead center of all of this powerful Woo Woo went off and killed someone? According to official TM press releases and dogma, this is simply not possible. And yet it happened. Rather than deal with this, and the fact that it provides convincing proof that the ME is and always was a lie, Nabby would prefer to shoot (or in this case, sue) the messenger. What a classic cultist he is, and what a waste of human life. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held in its strongest grips, and managed to escape. Shuvender Sem, or Shubi as he is known, now speaks publicly about his experience with schizophrenia in the hopes of helping
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Good catch, feste, that bit about Sem now seeming to boast about being a murderer when he was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I guess he really wants his book to be a bestseller which is understandable. But really?! On Monday, April 7, 2014 9:28 PM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This whole tragic incident was discussed extensively on FFL at the time it happened. I never heard the phrase The Maharishi Murderer. I think Sem has just made it up to get publicity for his book. I also find it regrettable that he uses the word murder in the title. It's as if he is laughing at the justice system. After all, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but now he wants to boast about being a murderer. Disgusting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was pretty surprised too - I think if he just said that he had mental problems and this is how he dealt with it, that would be one thing, but using the handle that apparently was given him by the press is capitalizing on what he did - not the first killer to do so, but opportunistic I think. I wonder if the Butler family knows he is doing this? Wonder what happened to the guy he got the knife from, Joel Wysong? Did MUM censure him for poor judgement at all? Another interesting thing that I got from an article about this is former MUM professor Dr Kai Druhl. I looked him up online and see that he has a TM story to tell - after years of TM and being governor and MUM faculty, he jumped ship and has very little good to say about TM - he's a born again Christian. This is what he said about MUM at the time of the murder Dr Kai Druhl taught physics at the university for 13 years. He has since left to teach at a college 20 miles away after becoming disenchanted with the movement. He said: 'There were certainly initial benefits for some of the students but the promise of complete enlightenment is just not true ... it just doesn't happen and I saw how this intense meditation can damage some students, particularly if they have mental problems.' Druhl recalled a student with schizophrenia being told to come off his medication, as meditation along with a herbal remedy would cure him. The student had a major breakdown. Druhl described a culture where such events were treated as 'top secret'. He said: 'There was a definite understanding between staff members that you must not allow any bad news to leak out. You were required to keep up this image of a perfect campus at all costs. On Mon, 4/7/14, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 10:47 PM I find this utterly appalling and repellant. This man should not make money from the murder of Levi Butler. Whoever encouraged him to write this book and make himself available for lectures and God knows what should not have done so. This man should perform penance in private and be very humble about it. He was given a second chance; Levi got no chance at all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
I don't get that he was boasting about it. But he did murder the guy and not guilty by way of insanity is obviously the correct decision as it wasn't premeditated or deliberate. Insanity is a legal term which means you aren't responsible for your actions. You would only be right in objecting to him writing about it in a book about schizophrenia if you think he faked it to get a shorter jail term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Good catch, feste, that bit about Sem now seeming to boast about being a murderer when he was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I guess he really wants his book to be a bestseller which is understandable. But really?! On Monday, April 7, 2014 9:28 PM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This whole tragic incident was discussed extensively on FFL at the time it happened. I never heard the phrase The Maharishi Murderer. I think Sem has just made it up to get publicity for his book. I also find it regrettable that he uses the word murder in the title. It's as if he is laughing at the justice system. After all, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but now he wants to boast about being a murderer. Disgusting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was pretty surprised too - I think if he just said that he had mental problems and this is how he dealt with it, that would be one thing, but using the handle that apparently was given him by the press is capitalizing on what he did - not the first killer to do so, but opportunistic I think. I wonder if the Butler family knows he is doing this? Wonder what happened to the guy he got the knife from, Joel Wysong? Did MUM censure him for poor judgement at all? Another interesting thing that I got from an article about this is former MUM professor Dr Kai Druhl. I looked him up online and see that he has a TM story to tell - after years of TM and being governor and MUM faculty, he jumped ship and has very little good to say about TM - he's a born again Christian. This is what he said about MUM at the time of the murder Dr Kai Druhl taught physics at the university for 13 years. He has since left to teach at a college 20 miles away after becoming disenchanted with the movement. He said: 'There were certainly initial benefits for some of the students but the promise of complete enlightenment is just not true ... it just doesn't happen and I saw how this intense meditation can damage some students, particularly if they have mental problems.' Druhl recalled a student with schizophrenia being told to come off his medication, as meditation along with a herbal remedy would cure him. The student had a major breakdown. Druhl described a culture where such events were treated as 'top secret'. He said: 'There was a definite understanding between staff members that you must not allow any bad news to leak out. You were required to keep up this image of a perfect campus at all costs. On Mon, 4/7/14, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 10:47 PM I find this utterly appalling and repellant. This man should not make money from the murder of Levi Butler. Whoever encouraged him to write this book and make himself available for lectures and God knows what should not have done so. This man should perform penance in private and be very humble about it. He was given a second chance; Levi got no chance at all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer . . . He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ] seems to have failed to notice that the PR blurb Michael posted is dated February 2013, more than a year ago. The book itself was published (self-published via Amazon's CreateSpace) in September 2012. And its current Amazon bestseller rank is #2,222,248. Indeed I did fail to notice that. As for its popularity, I merely point out that it's doing much better on Amazon than Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. 1, which has a ranking of #3,414,634, even though it's now available used for around $6, considerably discounted from its original price of $78.28. :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Suicide by The Buddhist Guru Rama
The Turqs rants about Maharishi is just a way to sidetrack that he was member of the Rama Cult, one of the weirdest cults in the western world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/8/2014 4:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a student 'doing program' as he was told to do in the exact dead center of all of this powerful Woo Woo went off and killed someone? Now this is not funny - Barry's guru was into the powerful Woo Woo, up to, and including the day he committed suicide and killed himself, and almost killed his date, instead of seeking professional help. WTF went wrong with the supposed American Buddhism that a spiritual teacher like Lenz was seen floating, instead of levitating over a lake? It doesn't even make any sense. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Don't worry MJ, the TMO would not sue someone with obvious and serious mental issues in need of medication. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : how could they sue me? I didn't make the title up. On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 9:19 AM With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held in its strongest grips, and managed to escape. Shuvender Sem, or Shubi as he is known, now speaks publicly about his experience with schizophrenia in the hopes of helping others. He is available for presentations and QA sessions for law enforcement, mental health groups, attorney associations, academic institutions and others who may feel they can benefit from his story. The self-told story of Shuvender Sem, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity is available at http://www.ShuvenderSem.com/ http://www.ShuvenderSem.com/ . The book is available in paperback; as well as Kindle, iPad and Nook digital editions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Sem is a murderer de facto. He's just not a murderer de jure, i.e., not legally guilty of murder. So of course there's no contradiction there. I'm not sure how Feste could catch, without having read the book, that Sem is boasting about anything other than, perhaps, his apparent recovery from paranoid schizophrenia (for which, I should think, one would want to congratulate him). Any ideas, Share? Or should we just ignore your Good catch comment as your usual pandering? Do you plan to buy the book and read it, BTW? Feste, if you were concerned that Sem is going to make pots and pots of money off the book, you can relax. He published it himself through Amazon's CreateSpace (which runs off one copy at a time as the book is ordered). Given its sales there to date, it doesn't look like it's going to make a big profit (and he had to pay for an editor and then a press agent). Also, one of the three Amazon reader reviewers apparently knows Sem and tells us that he doesn't charge for speaking to various groups, so he's not making any money there either. If anyone is interested, you can read the first chapter on Amazon's Web site (or download it to your Kindle) by going to the Kindle page for the book: http://tinyurl.com/mqdornl http://tinyurl.com/mqdornl The first chapter is just background about his childhood, nothing juicy. Good catch, feste, that bit about Sem now seeming to boast about being a murderer when he was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I guess he really wants his book to be a bestseller which is understandable. But really?! This whole tragic incident was discussed extensively on FFL at the time it happened. I never heard the phrase The Maharishi Murderer. I think Sem has just made it up to get publicity for his book. I also find it regrettable that he uses the word murder in the title. It's as if he is laughing at the justice system. After all, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but now he wants to boast about being a murderer. Disgusting.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
salyavin, probably his book publicist thought up that phrase. But that would mean that Sem agreed for that phrase to be used, doesn't it? I'm not familiar with how much control an author has over the selling of his or her book and all the various steps included in that process. As for his faking it, I don't know enough about schizophrenia to know if that is even possible to fake. But I do know some of the details about what transpired between his first stabbing and the second one which was fatal. Knowing those details, questions arise in my mind. But the justice system has already spoken so that's that. If his book helps some people, than that's good. I think it's good when something beneficial can come even out of such a horrible tragedy. On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:41 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't get that he was boasting about it. But he did murder the guy and not guilty by way of insanity is obviously the correct decision as it wasn't premeditated or deliberate. Insanity is a legal term which means you aren't responsible for your actions. You would only be right in objecting to him writing about it in a book about schizophrenia if you think he faked it to get a shorter jail term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Good catch, feste, that bit about Sem now seeming to boast about being a murderer when he was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I guess he really wants his book to be a bestseller which is understandable. But really?! On Monday, April 7, 2014 9:28 PM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This whole tragic incident was discussed extensively on FFL at the time it happened. I never heard the phrase The Maharishi Murderer. I think Sem has just made it up to get publicity for his book. I also find it regrettable that he uses the word murder in the title. It's as if he is laughing at the justice system. After all, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but now he wants to boast about being a murderer. Disgusting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was pretty surprised too - I think if he just said that he had mental problems and this is how he dealt with it, that would be one thing, but using the handle that apparently was given him by the press is capitalizing on what he did - not the first killer to do so, but opportunistic I think. I wonder if the Butler family knows he is doing this? Wonder what happened to the guy he got the knife from, Joel Wysong? Did MUM censure him for poor judgement at all? Another interesting thing that I got from an article about this is former MUM professor Dr Kai Druhl. I looked him up online and see that he has a TM story to tell - after years of TM and being governor and MUM faculty, he jumped ship and has very little good to say about TM - he's a born again Christian. This is what he said about MUM at the time of the murder Dr Kai Druhl taught physics at the university for 13 years. He has since left to teach at a college 20 miles away after becoming disenchanted with the movement. He said: 'There were certainly initial benefits for some of the students but the promise of complete enlightenment is just not true ... it just doesn't happen and I saw how this intense meditation can damage some students, particularly if they have mental problems.' Druhl recalled a student with schizophrenia being told to come off his medication, as meditation along with a herbal remedy would cure him. The student had a major breakdown. Druhl described a culture where such events were treated as 'top secret'. He said: 'There was a definite understanding between staff members that you must not allow any bad news to leak out. You were required to keep up this image of a perfect campus at all costs. On Mon, 4/7/14, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 10:47 PM I find this utterly appalling and repellant. This man should not make money from the murder of Levi Butler. Whoever encouraged him to write this book and make himself available for lectures and God knows what should not have done so. This man should perform penance in private and be very humble about it. He was given a second chance; Levi got no chance at all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer I don't get that he was boasting about it. But he did murder the guy and not guilty by way of insanity is obviously the correct decision as it wasn't premeditated or deliberate. Insanity is a legal term which means you aren't responsible for your actions. You would only be right in objecting to him writing about it in a book about schizophrenia if you think he faked it to get a shorter jail term. Which would be more damning of the supposed Maharishi Effect? Being insane and having no one at the university you're attending notice because you didn't seem all that different than the other weird students, or being sane and faking being insane, to get away with committing a murder right there at Ground Zero of all the Invincibility and Peace-Maintaining vibes created by the Wonderful Woo Woo of the ME? For the record, I don't have any feelings about Sem either way, except to feel sorry for him for many reasons. I just love watching the TBs react and go into fits of shoot the messenger whenever Michael posts one of these articles. So far, Feste wants to shoot Sem, Nabby wants to shoot Michael (or at the very least sue him), and Judy (of course) wants to diss Barry. TB True Business as usual. And as usual, none of them are discussing the real issue -- what this murder says about the supposed Maharishi Effect, and its rather colossal failure in this case. Besides, I love that Sem's book is outselling the Collected Papers. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Good catch, feste, that bit about Sem now seeming to boast about being a murderer when he was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I guess he really wants his book to be a bestseller which is understandable. But really?! On Monday, April 7, 2014 9:28 PM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This whole tragic incident was discussed extensively on FFL at the time it happened. I never heard the phrase The Maharishi Murderer. I think Sem has just made it up to get publicity for his book. I also find it regrettable that he uses the word murder in the title. It's as if he is laughing at the justice system. After all, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but now he wants to boast about being a murderer. Disgusting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was pretty surprised too - I think if he just said that he had mental problems and this is how he dealt with it, that would be one thing, but using the handle that apparently was given him by the press is capitalizing on what he did - not the first killer to do so, but opportunistic I think. I wonder if the Butler family knows he is doing this? Wonder what happened to the guy he got the knife from, Joel Wysong? Did MUM censure him for poor judgement at all? Another interesting thing that I got from an article about this is former MUM professor Dr Kai Druhl. I looked him up online and see that he has a TM story to tell - after years of TM and being governor and MUM faculty, he jumped ship and has very little good to say about TM - he's a born again Christian. This is what he said about MUM at the time of the murder Dr Kai Druhl taught physics at the university for 13 years. He has since left to teach at a college 20 miles away after becoming disenchanted with the movement. He said: 'There were certainly initial benefits for some of the students but the promise of complete enlightenment is just not true ... it just doesn't happen and I saw how this intense meditation can damage some students, particularly if they have mental problems.' Druhl recalled a student with schizophrenia being told to come off his medication, as meditation along with a herbal remedy would cure him. The student had a major breakdown. Druhl described a culture where such events were treated as 'top secret'. He said: 'There was a definite understanding between staff members that you must not allow any bad news to leak out. You were required to keep up this image of a perfect campus at all costs. On Mon, 4/7/14, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 10:47 PM I find this utterly appalling and repellant. This man should not make money from the murder of Levi Butler. Whoever encouraged him to write this book and make himself available for lectures and God knows what should not have done so. This man should perform penance in private and be very humble about it. He was given a second chance; Levi got no chance at all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19
[FairfieldLife] Re: Suicide by The Buddhist Guru Rama
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The Turqs rants about Maharishi is just a way to sidetrack that he was member of the Rama Cult, one of the weirdest cults in the western world. Possibly one of the weirdest but for sure headed by someone with one of the worst hairdos I've seen. That and the fact that his appears about as smarmy and oily as the worst kind of salesman. Not appealing on any level. I have a visceral reaction if I watch the guy talk - all oozy and creepy. Rather snake-like actually. So what is weird is that anyone would want to hang around him - definitely a creep vibe goin' on there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/8/2014 4:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a student 'doing program' as he was told to do in the exact dead center of all of this powerful Woo Woo went off and killed someone? Now this is not funny - Barry's guru was into the powerful Woo Woo, up to, and including the day he committed suicide and killed himself, and almost killed his date, instead of seeking professional help. WTF went wrong with the supposed American Buddhism that a spiritual teacher like Lenz was seen floating, instead of levitating over a lake? It doesn't even make any sense. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
You've never quite understood the phrase shoot the messenger. It assumes that the messenger himself is not responsible for the message and thus is being shot unfairly. Obviously that isn't the case with you; you bring knowingly false messages of your own devising all the time, and you are therefore held accountable for them. Note in this current message, you've ignored my question about where Nabby tried to excuse Sem or the TMO (he didn't do either in that post, contrary to your claim). But you're still responsible for the falsehood, so I'm shooting you again. See how that works? And as for your lame response here, I don't think you would have claimed the Collected Works--published in 1976--would have been likely to begin a new round of publicity exposing the Maharishi Effect. So that is one of your non sequiturs calculated to distract attention from another of your bloopers. You get shot for that as well. As I've pointed out, that you are unable to be straightforward in your criticisms of the TMO, Maharishi, and TMers, but always feel compelled to enhance the facts with exaggerations, distortions, and outright lies, tells us that you're afraid the unvarnished truth isn't really all that bad. He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ] seems to have failed to notice that the PR blurb Michael posted is dated February 2013, more than a year ago. The book itself was published (self-published via Amazon's CreateSpace) in September 2012. And its current Amazon bestseller rank is #2,222,248. Indeed I did fail to notice that. As for its popularity, I merely point out that it's doing much better on Amazon than Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. 1, which has a ranking of #3,414,634, even though it's now available used for around $6, considerably discounted from its original price of $78.28. :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer I don't get that he was boasting about it. But he did murder the guy and not guilty by way of insanity is obviously the correct decision as it wasn't premeditated or deliberate. Insanity is a legal term which means you aren't responsible for your actions. You would only be right in objecting to him writing about it in a book about schizophrenia if you think he faked it to get a shorter jail term. Which would be more damning of the supposed Maharishi Effect? Being insane and having no one at the university you're attending notice because you didn't seem all that different than the other weird students, or being sane and faking being insane, to get away with committing a murder right there at Ground Zero of all the Invincibility and Peace-Maintaining vibes created by the Wonderful Woo Woo of the ME? For the record, I don't have any feelings about Sem either way, except to feel sorry for him for many reasons. I just love watching the TBs react and go into fits of shoot the messenger whenever Michael posts one of these articles. So far, Feste wants to shoot Sem, Nabby wants to shoot Michael (or at the very least sue him), and Judy (of course) wants to diss Barry. TB True Business as usual. And as usual, none of them are discussing the real issue -- what this murder says about the supposed Maharishi Effect, and its rather colossal failure in this case. Besides, I love that Sem's book is outselling the Collected Papers. :-) Nobody's reacting, nobody's having fits. What is more interesting is why you love watching something you pretend is happening (but which isn't) and why you have such a simplistic idea of how life works. Anyone who thinks anything (the ME in this case) can eliminate the everyday occurrences in life is an idiot - you included. I mean, who actually believes something like the ME would mean that there are no more harsh words spoken, no job losses, no mental health issues or no deaths due to psychiatric illnesses? No one. So you are blowing smoke up your own ass when you go on and on about it. Can you ever not miss the point? Now that's all the time I can devote to you today Bawwy, maybe I'll see if there's something I can help you with tonight but I'm making no promises. You are such a slow learner, but I am nothing if not perseverant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Suicide by The Buddhist Guru Rama
You seem to have seen right through that worst kind of salesman and his lies. Unfortunately, souls with lesser intuition than yourself swallowed every word that weirdo uttered and stayed glued to the man for many years, like the Turq here. Who appear to have been been injured by his yearlong association with the cult to the extent that he believe he can repeat himself indefinitely hoping to get some recognition - ANY recognition. What a pitiful existence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The Turqs rants about Maharishi is just a way to sidetrack that he was member of the Rama Cult, one of the weirdest cults in the western world. Possibly one of the weirdest but for sure headed by someone with one of the worst hairdos I've seen. That and the fact that his appears about as smarmy and oily as the worst kind of salesman. Not appealing on any level. I have a visceral reaction if I watch the guy talk - all oozy and creepy. Rather snake-like actually. So what is weird is that anyone would want to hang around him - definitely a creep vibe goin' on there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/8/2014 4:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Now this is not funny - Barry's guru was into the powerful Woo Woo, up to, and including the day he committed suicide and killed himself, and almost killed his date, instead of seeking professional help. WTF went wrong with the supposed American Buddhism that a spiritual teacher like Lenz was seen floating, instead of levitating over a lake? It doesn't even make any sense. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
If the book is self-published, as this one was, the author has total control over every step of the process. (That's what self-published means, you see.) Who dreamed up the phrase Maharishi Murderer isn't important. but it's highly unlikely it was either Sem or the PR firm that wrote the blurb. What's important is whether he meant it to be a boast, as you and Feste so unkindly propose. As to your even more unkind suspicion below: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/faking_insanity_forensic_psychologists_detect_signs_of_malingering_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/faking_insanity_forensic_psychologists_detect_signs_of_malingering_.html You could have found this and a bunch of other articles on the Web about the likelihood of someone being able to convincingly fake paranoid schizophrenia--especially to get out of a murder charge, where the person is under the most extreme scrutiny--had you really wanted to know. (The answer is, basically, no.) But you didn't. You (and Feste) prefer to demonize Sem rather than blame MUM for not dealing with him properly. So compassionate of you. I think I'll go take a bath now. salyavin, probably his book publicist thought up that phrase. But that would mean that Sem agreed for that phrase to be used, doesn't it? I'm not familiar with how much control an author has over the selling of his or her book and all the various steps included in that process. As for his faking it, I don't know enough about schizophrenia to know if that is even possible to fake. But I do know some of the details about what transpired between his first stabbing and the second one which was fatal. Knowing those details, questions arise in my mind. But the justice system has already spoken so that's that. If his book helps some people, than that's good. I think it's good when something beneficial can come even out of such a horrible tragedy. On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:41 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't get that he was boasting about it. But he did murder the guy and not guilty by way of insanity is obviously the correct decision as it wasn't premeditated or deliberate. Insanity is a legal term which means you aren't responsible for your actions. You would only be right in objecting to him writing about it in a book about schizophrenia if you think he faked it to get a shorter jail term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Good catch, feste, that bit about Sem now seeming to boast about being a murderer when he was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I guess he really wants his book to be a bestseller which is understandable. But really?! On Monday, April 7, 2014 9:28 PM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This whole tragic incident was discussed extensively on FFL at the time it happened. I never heard the phrase The Maharishi Murderer. I think Sem has just made it up to get publicity for his book. I also find it regrettable that he uses the word murder in the title. It's as if he is laughing at the justice system. After all, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but now he wants to boast about being a murderer. Disgusting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was pretty surprised too - I think if he just said that he had mental problems and this is how he dealt with it, that would be one thing, but using the handle that apparently was given him by the press is capitalizing on what he did - not the first killer to do so, but opportunistic I think. I wonder if the Butler family knows he is doing this? Wonder what happened to the guy he got the knife from, Joel Wysong? Did MUM censure him for poor judgement at all? Another interesting thing that I got from an article about this is former MUM professor Dr Kai Druhl. I looked him up online and see that he has a TM story to tell - after years of TM and being governor and MUM faculty, he jumped ship and has very little good to say about TM - he's a born again Christian. This is what he said about MUM at the time of the murder Dr Kai Druhl taught physics at the university for 13 years. He has since left to teach at a college 20 miles away after becoming disenchanted with the movement. He said: 'There were certainly initial benefits for some of the students but the promise of complete enlightenment is just not true ... it just doesn't happen and I saw how this intense meditation can damage some students, particularly if they have mental problems.' Druhl recalled a student with schizophrenia being told to come off his medication, as meditation along with a herbal remedy would cure him. The student had a major breakdown. Druhl described a culture where such events were treated as 'top secret'. He said: 'There was a definite understanding between staff members
Re: [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube
Mike Judge really nailed the goofiness of Silicon Valley or Silly Conned Valley as I call it. Believe me, a reality show shot there couldn't have done much better. I once made reference to the culture of the South Bay and my sister replied what culture? I also liked the little visual homage to a project I was involved in. And the pied piper software idea is an idea I've had for some time. In fact in a phone interview with SoundHound I asked them if their software could actually do that and of course the clueless 25 year old conducting the interview kinda went wha? On 04/07/2014 03:54 PM, Bhairitu wrote: People give their HBO Go password to friends and relatives who don't have HBO on cable. I need to get my sister's HBO Go set up since they won't use it so I might as well. ;-) On 04/07/2014 12:35 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: They say the reason they're doing this is because HBO Go crashed mightily last night while trying to support the new episode of Game Of Thrones and thus wasn't available for anyone to watch this one. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, April 7, 2014 9:04 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube In a truly different move for HBO they've posted episode one of Mike Judge's series Silicon Valley on their YouTube channel. I think they may have done this before (maybe with Enlightenment even). Enjoy, you geeks! Silicon Valley Season 1: Episode 1 Full Episode (TVMA) (HBO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvkmsI54ss4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Then you are totally safe!!! On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 2:46 PM Don't worry MJ, the TMO would not sue someone with obvious and serious mental issues in need of medication. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : how could they sue me? I didn't make the title up. On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 9:19 AM With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held in its strongest grips, and managed to escape. Shuvender Sem, or Shubi as he is known, now speaks publicly about his experience with schizophrenia in the hopes of helping others. He is available for presentations and QA sessions for law enforcement, mental health groups, attorney associations, academic institutions
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
ha! That's a great statistic Barry! On Tue, 4/8/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 2:39 PM From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer . . . He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ] seems to have failed to notice that the PR blurb Michael posted is dated February 2013, more than a year ago. The book itself was published (self-published via Amazon's CreateSpace) in September 2012. And its current Amazon bestseller rank is #2,222,248. Indeed I did fail to notice that. As for its popularity, I merely point out that it's doing much better on Amazon than Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. 1, which has a ranking of #3,414,634, even though it's now available used for around $6, considerably discounted from its original price of $78.28. :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer . . . He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ] Bawwy, you are only a messenger to the degree that your messages hold any merit or truth. Until that time they are only so much dreck. seems to have failed to notice that the PR blurb Michael posted is dated February 2013, more than a year ago. The book itself was published (self-published via Amazon's CreateSpace) in September 2012. And its current Amazon bestseller rank is #2,222,248. Indeed I did fail to notice that. As for its popularity, I merely point out that it's doing much better on Amazon than Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. 1, which has a ranking of #3,414,634, even though it's now available used for around $6, considerably discounted from its original price of $78.28. :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
You are so gullible, Michael. You keep falling for Barry's deceitful crap. His statistic is a total non sequitur. The only reason he mentions it is to distract attention from his nitwit notion that Sem's book would begin a new round of publicity exposing the Maharishi Effect. That Collected Papers volume was published in 1976, two decades pre-Amazon. Even if it had been a smash-hit bestseller when it came out (it wasn't), its sales in 2014 would be virtually nonexistent. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : ha! That's a great statistic Barry! He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ] seems to have failed to notice that the PR blurb Michael posted is dated February 2013, more than a year ago. The book itself was published (self-published via Amazon's CreateSpace) in September 2012. And its current Amazon bestseller rank is #2,222,248. Indeed I did fail to notice that. As for its popularity, I merely point out that it's doing much better on Amazon than Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. 1, which has a ranking of #3,414,634, even though it's now available used for around $6, considerably discounted from its original price of $78.28. :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Barry is a worse scam artist than anyone in the TMO. . . . He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ] Bawwy, you are only a messenger to the degree that your messages hold any merit or truth. Until that time they are only so much dreck.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
And still not a single word from any of them -- Feste, Nabby, Judy, Richard or Ann -- about the real issue, which of course that a murder at Ground Zero of the supposed Maharishi Effect casts pretty damning doubts about its existence. Instead, each of them have spent multiple posts trying to get the people who dared to bring the subject up again. Can you say classic cultists trying to D.E.F.L.E.C.T.? I think you can. Lurking reporters -- you know who you are -- please take notice. Especially of the ones who are doing this and yet claim not to be TM True Believers. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer Barry is a worse scam artist than anyone in the TMO. . . . He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ] Bawwy, you are only a messenger to the degree that your messages hold any merit or truth. Until that time they are only so much dreck.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
You need not to worry, like I said the TMO don't sue people with mental disorders. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Then you are totally safe! On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 2:46 PM Don't worry MJ, the TMO would not sue someone with obvious and serious mental issues in need of medication. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : how could they sue me? I didn't make the title up. On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 9:19 AM With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!) from A to Z and back again. But probably they realize his mental problems are so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50 are not liable for their actions and are sentenced to psychiatric wards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 14:47:52 EDT Edited by Debra Tone LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. 'Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity' (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer.' LANCASTER, Pa., Feb. 19, 2013 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- It is a story that could only be written by one person. A compelling autobiography that not only pushes the boundaries of sanity, it takes readers on a frightening voyage to meet it face-to-face. Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity (ISBN-13: 978-1479256969) is the story of Shuvender Sem, who on March 1, 2004 became known as The Maharishi Murderer. The murder took place in Fairfield, Iowa, on the campus of a university that prided itself on non-violence. The Maharishi University of Management used a variety of techniques towards its non-violent goals including twice-daily use of Transcendental Meditation. It was to no small degree that this setting put the murder in the national spotlight. In one moment Sem was a college student. In the next he was The Maharishi Murderer. Shuvender killed freshman Levi Butler without provocation on the campus by stabbing him four times in the chest with a paring knife. The murder took place following an incident earlier in the day when Sem stabbed a student with a pen. That previous incident led to the student getting seven stitches to his face. Deemed competent to stand trial, the judge ruled he was not guilty by reason of insanity at the request of both the defense and the prosecution. Against popular belief, NGRI is an extremely rare plea, used in less than one percent of criminal cases. A not guilty result is even more uncommon, occurring just one-quarter of one percent of the time. Now, after years of psychotropic medications and intense therapy, Shuvender is telling his story of schizophrenia in his autobiography, Murder and Misunderstanding; One Man's Escape from Insanity. It is not only an extremely rare look into the mind of a killer from his own perspective, but it is also a deeply personal story that explores the darkest, most grim places of the mind. Our mental health system is broken. We need to fix this before more crimes are committed, says Sem. In his book, Shuvender tells of his relationship with his father, and the events that led to that day on campus. He describes his struggle with, and eventual escape from this misunderstood illness. It is a story of recognition and realization. A story of redemption desired, and hope delivered. It is a book written to serve as a beacon for those with schizophrenia and their families, by a man who was held
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Still nothing but dishonest dreck from Barry. You lurking reporters, take note: Barry is incapable of telling the truth. In this case, he's well aware that neither Ann nor I are believers in the Maharishi Effect, nor do we have any problem with the subject of Sem's murder being brought up again. What we have problems with is Barry's consistent dishonesty, as is so clearly displayed in this present post. I first encountered him on the Internet in 1995. He was dishonest then, and he's only gotten worse over the years. If you trust anything he says without verifying it--particularly anything concerning the TMO, Maharishi, and/or TMers--you deserve what you get. You've been warned. And still not a single word from any of them -- Feste, Nabby, Judy, Richard or Ann -- about the real issue, which of course that a murder at Ground Zero of the supposed Maharishi Effect casts pretty damning doubts about its existence. Instead, each of them have spent multiple posts trying to get the people who dared to bring the subject up again. Can you say classic cultists trying to D.E.F.L.E.C.T.? I think you can. Lurking reporters -- you know who you are -- please take notice. Especially of the ones who are doing this and yet claim not to be TM True Believers. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer Barry is a worse scam artist than anyone in the TMO. . . . He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ] Bawwy, you are only a messenger to the degree that your messages hold any merit or truth. Until that time they are only so much dreck.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Boast may not be the best word, but Sem being a murderer is central to how the book is being promoted (even though he was found not guilty by reason of insanity). If he is going to promote himself as a murderer, I think all profits from his book should be donated to the family of the victim. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : If the book is self-published, as this one was, the author has total control over every step of the process. (That's what self-published means, you see.) Who dreamed up the phrase Maharishi Murderer isn't important. but it's highly unlikely it was either Sem or the PR firm that wrote the blurb. What's important is whether he meant it to be a boast, as you and Feste so unkindly propose. As to your even more unkind suspicion below: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/faking_insanity_forensic_psychologists_detect_signs_of_malingering_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/faking_insanity_forensic_psychologists_detect_signs_of_malingering_.html You could have found this and a bunch of other articles on the Web about the likelihood of someone being able to convincingly fake paranoid schizophrenia--especially to get out of a murder charge, where the person is under the most extreme scrutiny--had you really wanted to know. (The answer is, basically, no.) But you didn't. You (and Feste) prefer to demonize Sem rather than blame MUM for not dealing with him properly. So compassionate of you. I think I'll go take a bath now. salyavin, probably his book publicist thought up that phrase. But that would mean that Sem agreed for that phrase to be used, doesn't it? I'm not familiar with how much control an author has over the selling of his or her book and all the various steps included in that process. As for his faking it, I don't know enough about schizophrenia to know if that is even possible to fake. But I do know some of the details about what transpired between his first stabbing and the second one which was fatal. Knowing those details, questions arise in my mind. But the justice system has already spoken so that's that. If his book helps some people, than that's good. I think it's good when something beneficial can come even out of such a horrible tragedy. On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:41 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't get that he was boasting about it. But he did murder the guy and not guilty by way of insanity is obviously the correct decision as it wasn't premeditated or deliberate. Insanity is a legal term which means you aren't responsible for your actions. You would only be right in objecting to him writing about it in a book about schizophrenia if you think he faked it to get a shorter jail term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Good catch, feste, that bit about Sem now seeming to boast about being a murderer when he was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I guess he really wants his book to be a bestseller which is understandable. But really?! On Monday, April 7, 2014 9:28 PM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This whole tragic incident was discussed extensively on FFL at the time it happened. I never heard the phrase The Maharishi Murderer. I think Sem has just made it up to get publicity for his book. I also find it regrettable that he uses the word murder in the title. It's as if he is laughing at the justice system. After all, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but now he wants to boast about being a murderer. Disgusting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was pretty surprised too - I think if he just said that he had mental problems and this is how he dealt with it, that would be one thing, but using the handle that apparently was given him by the press is capitalizing on what he did - not the first killer to do so, but opportunistic I think. I wonder if the Butler family knows he is doing this? Wonder what happened to the guy he got the knife from, Joel Wysong? Did MUM censure him for poor judgement at all? Another interesting thing that I got from an article about this is former MUM professor Dr Kai Druhl. I looked him up online and see that he has a TM story to tell - after years of TM and being governor and MUM faculty, he jumped ship and has very little good to say about TM - he's a born again Christian. This is what he said about MUM at the time of the murder Dr Kai Druhl taught physics at the university for 13 years. He has since left to teach at a college 20 miles away after becoming disenchanted with the movement. He said: 'There were certainly initial benefits for some of the students but the promise of complete enlightenment is just not true ... it just doesn't happen and I saw how this intense meditation can damage some students,
[FairfieldLife] Fw: The Honest Truth About Dishonesty
from the article:
If you remember when Lance Armstrong was on Oprah, she asked
him, when you were in the middle of things, did you feel you were
cheating? Did you feel you were doing something wrong? He said no. He
sounded like a psychopath when he was saying that. But from everything I know,
he was right. He was truthful in that moment.
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On 4/8/2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: The Turqs rants about Maharishi is just a way to sidetrack that he was member of the Rama Cult, one of the weirdest cults in the western world. Correction: one of the leaders of the Rama cult.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Relax, Feste. The book is barely being promoted at all, and any profits are going to be negligible. Don't make Barry's stupid mistake of thinking the book is going to be a sensational bestseller. And he's hardly promoting himself as a murderer. He's telling his story because he thinks it will help others. He can't exactly leave out the fact that he committed a murder. What's central to the book is that he has apparently recovered from paranoid schizophrenia. Boast may not be the best word, but Sem being a murderer is central to how the book is being promoted (even though he was found not guilty by reason of insanity). If he is going to promote himself as a murderer, I think all profits from his book should be donated to the family of the victim. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : If the book is self-published, as this one was, the author has total control over every step of the process. (That's what self-published means, you see.) Who dreamed up the phrase Maharishi Murderer isn't important. but it's highly unlikely it was either Sem or the PR firm that wrote the blurb. What's important is whether he meant it to be a boast, as you and Feste so unkindly propose. As to your even more unkind suspicion below: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/faking_insanity_forensic_psychologists_detect_signs_of_malingering_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/faking_insanity_forensic_psychologists_detect_signs_of_malingering_.html You could have found this and a bunch of other articles on the Web about the likelihood of someone being able to convincingly fake paranoid schizophrenia--especially to get out of a murder charge, where the person is under the most extreme scrutiny--had you really wanted to know. (The answer is, basically, no.) But you didn't. You (and Feste) prefer to demonize Sem rather than blame MUM for not dealing with him properly. So compassionate of you. I think I'll go take a bath now. salyavin, probably his book publicist thought up that phrase. But that would mean that Sem agreed for that phrase to be used, doesn't it? I'm not familiar with how much control an author has over the selling of his or her book and all the various steps included in that process. As for his faking it, I don't know enough about schizophrenia to know if that is even possible to fake. But I do know some of the details about what transpired between his first stabbing and the second one which was fatal. Knowing those details, questions arise in my mind. But the justice system has already spoken so that's that. If his book helps some people, than that's good. I think it's good when something beneficial can come even out of such a horrible tragedy. On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:41 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't get that he was boasting about it. But he did murder the guy and not guilty by way of insanity is obviously the correct decision as it wasn't premeditated or deliberate. Insanity is a legal term which means you aren't responsible for your actions. You would only be right in objecting to him writing about it in a book about schizophrenia if you think he faked it to get a shorter jail term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Good catch, feste, that bit about Sem now seeming to boast about being a murderer when he was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I guess he really wants his book to be a bestseller which is understandable. But really?! On Monday, April 7, 2014 9:28 PM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This whole tragic incident was discussed extensively on FFL at the time it happened. I never heard the phrase The Maharishi Murderer. I think Sem has just made it up to get publicity for his book. I also find it regrettable that he uses the word murder in the title. It's as if he is laughing at the justice system. After all, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but now he wants to boast about being a murderer. Disgusting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was pretty surprised too - I think if he just said that he had mental problems and this is how he dealt with it, that would be one thing, but using the handle that apparently was given him by the press is capitalizing on what he did - not the first killer to do so, but opportunistic I think. I wonder if the Butler family knows he is doing this? Wonder what happened to the guy he got the knife from, Joel Wysong? Did MUM censure him for poor judgement at all? Another interesting thing that I got from an article about this is former MUM professor Dr Kai Druhl. I looked him up online and see that he has a TM story to tell - after years of TM and being governor and MUM faculty, he jumped ship and has very little good to say about TM - he's a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube
How about a TV series of a small mid-west town whose residents believe they can save the world? I bet that pitch would get green lit by a major network. Let's see we could call it. Fairfield Life. On 04/08/2014 05:59 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 4/7/2014 2:35 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: They say the reason they're doing this is because HBO Go crashed mightily last night while trying to support the new episode of Game Of Thrones and thus wasn't available for anyone to watch this one. Addressing the important issues!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: The Honest Truth About Dishonesty
Love it, Saintly Share doing her best to excuse Barry (and herself) for their repeated chronic and malicious dishonesty (while at the same time suspecting Sem of faking his paranoid schizophrenia). Guess I'm going to have to go take another bath. from the article: If you remember when Lance Armstrong was on Oprah, she asked him, when you were in the middle of things, did you feel you were cheating? Did you feel you were doing something wrong? He said no. He sounded like a psychopath when he was saying that. But from everything I know, he was right. He was truthful in that moment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: The Honest Truth About Dishonesty
Judy, I received this newsletter today thought it was a fascinating addition
to what is being discussed on FFL today and has been discussed on many days.
Any other motives are a merely a projection of what is inside you.
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from the article: If you remember when Lance Armstrong was on Oprah, she asked
him, when you were in the middle of things, did you feel you were
cheating? Did you feel you were doing something wrong? He said no. He
sounded like a psychopath when he was saying that. But from everything I know,
he was right. He was truthful in that moment.
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Ariely, a leading behavioral economist at Duke and author of 'The (Honest)
Truth About Dishonesty: How We Lie to Everyone -- Especially Ourselves.' In
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Suicide by The Buddhist Guru Rama
Are you saying the Turq was one of the leaders of the Rama Cult, one of the weirdest cults in the western world ? Never heard him brag about it here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/8/2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: The Turqs rants about Maharishi is just a way to sidetrack that he was member of the Rama Cult, one of the weirdest cults in the western world. Correction: one of the leaders of the Rama cult.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: The Honest Truth About Dishonesty
Nothing like what Lance Armstrong did is being discussed on FFL today, first of all. Second of all, it would be awfully hard for me to project an attempt to excuse you and Barry from your dishonesty. I'm going by your record of pandering to the males here and especially to Barry. And I would suggest that from everything I know isn't the most convincing testimony you could offer for something someone says being right. Judy, I received this newsletter today thought it was a fascinating addition to what is being discussed on FFL today and has been discussed on many days. Any other motives are a merely a projection of what is inside you. On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 12:46 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: from the article: If you remember when Lance Armstrong was on Oprah, she asked him, when you were in the middle of things, did you feel you were cheating? Did you feel you were doing something wrong? He said no. He sounded like a psychopath when he was saying that. But from everything I know, he was right. He was truthful in that moment.
[FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube
Although he nailed the goofiness as you say, and although I can certainly recognize some of the crazy stuff that goes on in the world of entrepreneurial software, I have to admit I found it silly and not terribly amusing. It was just like software itself -- overblown and full of pretense, and with little content. I doubt I'll be keeping up with it. Too old, I guess. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube Mike Judge really nailed the goofiness of Silicon Valley or Silly Conned Valley as I call it. Believe me, a reality show shot there couldn't have done much better. I once made reference to the culture of the South Bay and my sister replied what culture? I also liked the little visual homage to a project I was involved in. And the pied piper software idea is an idea I've had for some time. In fact in a phone interview with SoundHound I asked them if their software could actually do that and of course the clueless 25 year old conducting the interview kinda went wha? On 04/07/2014 03:54 PM, Bhairitu wrote: People give their HBO Go password to friends and relatives who don't have HBO on cable. I need to get my sister's HBO Go set up since they won't use it so I might as well. ;-) On 04/07/2014 12:35 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: They say the reason they're doing this is because HBO Go crashed mightily last night while trying to support the new episode of Game Of Thrones and thus wasn't available for anyone to watch this one. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 9:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube In a truly different move for HBO they've posted episode one of Mike Judge's series Silicon Valley on their YouTube channel. I think they may have done this before (maybe with Enlightenment even). Enjoy, you geeks! Silicon Valley Season 1: Episode 1 Full Episode (TVMA) (HBO)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube
When was the last time *you* were in SV? Believe it or not that is a fairly accurate portrayal of the way it is now. I'm an old fart who because I started programming for Android in early 2009 actually gets phone interviews. Most of them are by lame 25 year olds who think they are king shit. My pet sport is to pull the you're always a winner rug they were raised with out from under them. When I hired 20 year olds back in the 1990s I sure as hell didn't give them the run of the place. Then all needed mentoring which the senior engineers provided. We had a few that thought we should let them design the next big project right off the bat. If they wanted to do that they should have formed their own company. The vulture capitalists of Silly Conned Valley believe that younger folks bring more to the table. But they also bring a lot of bugs to the software due to their inexperience. Just getting a program working is not enough. On 04/08/2014 12:14 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Although he nailed the goofiness as you say, and although I can certainly recognize some of the crazy stuff that goes on in the world of entrepreneurial software, I have to admit I found it silly and not terribly amusing. It was just like software itself -- overblown and full of pretense, and with little content. I doubt I'll be keeping up with it. Too old, I guess. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:04 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube Mike Judge really nailed the goofiness of Silicon Valley or Silly Conned Valley as I call it. Believe me, a reality show shot there couldn't have done much better. I once made reference to the culture of the South Bay and my sister replied what culture? I also liked the little visual homage to a project I was involved in. And the pied piper software idea is an idea I've had for some time. In fact in a phone interview with SoundHound I asked them if their software could actually do that and of course the clueless 25 year old conducting the interview kinda went wha? On 04/07/2014 03:54 PM, Bhairitu wrote: People give their HBO Go password to friends and relatives who don't have HBO on cable. I need to get my sister's HBO Go set up since they won't use it so I might as well. ;-) On 04/07/2014 12:35 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: They say the reason they're doing this is because HBO Go crashed mightily last night while trying to support the new episode of Game Of Thrones and thus wasn't available for anyone to watch this one. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, April 7, 2014 9:04 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Episode One of Silicon Valley on YouTube In a truly different move for HBO they've posted episode one of Mike Judge's series Silicon Valley on their YouTube channel. I think they may have done this before (maybe with Enlightenment even). Enjoy, you geeks! Silicon Valley Season 1: Episode 1 Full Episode (TVMA) (HBO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvkmsI54ss4
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heart
This will be a mighty coup if you can pull it off - the monetary benefits they are talking about the grain elevator providing for the community and the benefits to the farmers are powerful enticements in this day and economy. Has MUM taken an official position on this? It would impact the university quality of life too, I would think they would weigh in on one side or the other. On Tue, 4/8/14, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and be To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 6:53 PM From: Mea Lama [mailto:m...@change.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:24 PM To: r...@batgap.com Subject: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and benefi I wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your support in signing this petition. Please pass it on to anyone and everyone you know. It doesn't matter if they live in Fairfield or not. We must show the support we have in stopping this project. We must let them know that they can't bully their way around and be a bad neighbor. Fairfield is a wonderful artistic and creative community that is creating a sustainable footprint as well as working to be a BLUE ZONE. This project goes against all the plans the city and the people in it have for the direction of Fairfield. Thank you again! Mea This message was sent by Mea Lama using the Change.org system. You received this email because you signed a petition started by Mea Lama on Change.org: THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and benefits of the proposed project have been completed.. Change.org does not endorse contents of this message.View the petition Unsubscribe from updates about this petition
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Michael, I'd say you've got your work cut out for you. Tackle them one at a time. I can't think of a better use of your time. Maybe you can get a specially outfitted van. Michael's Traveling antiTM Van. Driving Home the Truth about TM Across America, or something along these lines. What do you think? Oh, and by the way, the professors I encountered during my days at MIU seemed a little more circumspect with the discipline/SCI connections. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heart
MUM campus sits right next to a grain elevator, and this new facility will be about 5 miles away. There's lots of shrieking about GMO dust, but the main voices in the fight against it are the people from neighboring properties who will be impacted by the increase in truck traffic. In any event, the location is outside city limits, so it's beyond the jurisdiction of Fairfield city government. Years ago, there was huge opposition when the county supervisors tried to impose zoning in unincorporated Jefferson County, so there's nothing that prevents Heartland from building the facility. However, such a large facility will require road improvements, and that involves county government. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : This will be a mighty coup if you can pull it off - the monetary benefits they are talking about the grain elevator providing for the community and the benefits to the farmers are powerful enticements in this day and economy. Has MUM taken an official position on this? It would impact the university quality of life too, I would think they would weigh in on one side or the other. On Tue, 4/8/14, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com mailto:r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and be To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 6:53 PM From: Mea Lama [mailto:m...@change.org mailto:m...@change.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:24 PM To: r...@batgap.com mailto:r...@batgap.com Subject: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and benefi I wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your support in signing this petition. Please pass it on to anyone and everyone you know. It doesn't matter if they live in Fairfield or not. We must show the support we have in stopping this project. We must let them know that they can't bully their way around and be a bad neighbor. Fairfield is a wonderful artistic and creative community that is creating a sustainable footprint as well as working to be a BLUE ZONE. This project goes against all the plans the city and the people in it have for the direction of Fairfield. Thank you again! Mea This message was sent by Mea Lama using the Change.org system. You received this email because you signed a petition started by Mea Lama on Change.org: THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and benefits of the proposed project have been completed.. Change.org does not endorse contents of this message.View the petition Unsubscribe from updates about this petition
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
He could only pull this off if he has been allowed to keep his drivers license. Perhaps the Turq could help him out and spend some of his autumn years behind the wheel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Michael, I'd say you've got your work cut out for you. Tackle them one at a time. I can't think of a better use of your time. Maybe you can get a specially outfitted van. Michael's Traveling antiTM Van. Driving Home the Truth about TM Across America, or something along these lines. What do you think? Oh, and by the way, the professors I encountered during my days at MIU seemed a little more circumspect with the discipline/SCI connections. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
That is a wonderfully creative idea Driving home the truth about TM all across America! I like it! And what does that mean, circumspect, exactly? On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 7:57 PM Michael, I'd say you've got your work cut out for you. Tackle them one at a time. I can't think of a better use of your time. Maybe you can get a specially outfitted van. Michael's Traveling antiTM Van. Driving Home the Truth about TM Across America, or something along these lines. What do you think? Oh, and by the way, the professors I encountered during my days at MIU seemed a little more circumspect with the discipline/SCI connections. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heart
Would the grain elevator be more difficult to do if the zoning deal had gone through? On Tue, 4/8/14, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and be To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 8:17 PM MUM campus sits right next to a grain elevator, and this new facility will be about 5 miles away. There's lots of shrieking about GMO dust, but the main voices in the fight against it are the people from neighboring properties who will be impacted by the increase in truck traffic. In any event, the location is outside city limits, so it's beyond the jurisdiction of Fairfield city government. Years ago, there was huge opposition when the county supervisors tried to impose zoning in unincorporated Jefferson County, so there's nothing that prevents Heartland from building the facility. However, such a large facility will require road improvements, and that involves county government. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : This will be a mighty coup if you can pull it off - the monetary benefits they are talking about the grain elevator providing for the community and the benefits to the farmers are powerful enticements in this day and economy. Has MUM taken an official position on this? It would impact the university quality of life too, I would think they would weigh in on one side or the other. On Tue, 4/8/14, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and be To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 6:53 PM From: Mea Lama [mailto:m...@change.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:24 PM To: r...@batgap.com Subject: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and benefi I wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your support in signing this petition. Please pass it on to anyone and everyone you know. It doesn't matter if they live in Fairfield or not. We must show the support we have in stopping this project. We must let them know that they can't bully their way around and be a bad neighbor. Fairfield is a wonderful artistic and creative community that is creating a sustainable footprint as well as working to be a BLUE ZONE. This project goes against all the plans the city and the people in it have for the direction of Fairfield. Thank you again! Mea This message was sent by Mea Lama using the Change.org system. You received this email because you signed a petition started by Mea Lama on Change.org: THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heartland Co-op until comprehensive impact studies on the potential risks and benefits of the proposed project have been completed.. Change.org does not endorse contents of this message.View the petition Unsubscribe from updates about this petition
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
My driver's license is valid and doesn't need to be renewed till 2020. On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 8:20 PM He could only pull this off if he has been allowed to keep his drivers license. Perhaps the Turq could help him out and spend some of his autumn years behind the wheel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Michael, I'd say you've got your work cut out for you. Tackle them one at a time. I can't think of a better use of your time. Maybe you can get a specially outfitted van. Michael's Traveling antiTM Van. Driving Home the Truth about TM Across America, or something along these lines. What do you think? Oh, and by the way, the professors I encountered during my days at MIU seemed a little more circumspect with the discipline/SCI connections. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and representations to and with the Heart
I don't know. The zoning war took place back in the 1980s, and I have no recollection of what the zoning would have prohibited. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Would the grain elevator be more difficult to do if the zoning deal had gone through?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
I'm glad we are now all clear about this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : My driver's license is valid and doesn't need to be renewed till 2020. On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 8:20 PM He could only pull this off if he has been allowed to keep his drivers license. Perhaps the Turq could help him out and spend some of his autumn years behind the wheel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Michael, I'd say you've got your work cut out for you. Tackle them one at a time. I can't think of a better use of your time. Maybe you can get a specially outfitted van. Michael's Traveling antiTM Van. Driving Home the Truth about TM Across America, or something along these lines. What do you think? Oh, and by the way, the professors I encountered during my days at MIU seemed a little more circumspect with the discipline/SCI connections. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
[FairfieldLife] And Now For Something More Interesting
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Not for you, Steve must be mixing you up with someone else. It's something Jewish parents have doctors do to the willies of their sons. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That is a wonderfully creative idea Driving home the truth about TM all across America! I like it! And what does that mean, circumspect, exactly? On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 7:57 PM Michael, I'd say you've got your work cut out for you. Tackle them one at a time. I can't think of a better use of your time. Maybe you can get a specially outfitted van. Michael's Traveling antiTM Van. Driving Home the Truth about TM Across America, or something along these lines. What do you think? Oh, and by the way, the professors I encountered during my days at MIU seemed a little more circumspect with the discipline/SCI connections. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: And Now For Something More Interesting
Looks like you found this study really, really, REALLY interesting, Nabby. ;-) 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Makes Breasts Saggier http://isupportorganic.blogspot.no/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html http://isupportorganic.blogspot.no/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: And Now For Something More Interesting
Indeed. And I found this message most intriguing: Women who took off their bras for good experienced a 7mm lift Women who took off their bras for good experienced a 7mm lift in their nipples each year they didn’t wear a bra. Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#qJapqeetUGq2dYX1.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#qJapqeetUGq2dYX1.99 in their nipples EACH YEAR they didn't wear a bra. (Highlighted by me) Truly fascinating stuff.
[FairfieldLife] Re: And Now For Something More Interesting
0 Attachment Indeed. And I found this message most intriguing: Women who took off their bras for good experienced a 7mm lift in their nipples each year they didn’t wear a bra. Truly fascinating stuff. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Looks like you found this study really, really, REALLY interesting, Nabby. ;-) 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Makes Breasts Saggier http://isupportorganic.blogspot.no/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html http://isupportorganic.blogspot.no/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: And Now For Something More Interesting
Indeed. And I found this message most intriguing: Women who took off their bras for good experienced a 7mm lift in their nipples each year they didn’t wear a bra. Just imagine what 10 years without a bra would do. Truly fascinating stuff. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Looks like you found this study really, really, REALLY interesting, Nabby. ;-) 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Makes Breasts Saggier http://isupportorganic.blogspot.no/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html http://isupportorganic.blogspot.no/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
I'll probably get flak for saying this, but it almost sounds like Michael's emotional development got arrested at around age nine or ten. Maybe when a child begins to separate reality from fantasy. I never swallowed whole on all the claims made or implied by MMY. I mean, a teacher lays out a vision, or a path, and everyone's experience is going to be different. If there is anyone who places MMY on a pedestal, a likely candidate would be Michael, who seems to feel betrayed because the organization or the technique isn't producing an ideal citizen in everyone touched by it. Okay, so the ME effect seems to have some flaws. I don't know the mechanics of how a large group of people practicing TM or the TMSP might affect the environment, or if it affects the environment at all. I don't know if yagyas are totally bogus or legitimate, or maybe somewhere in between. Yea, like most, I'd like to see some vetted scientific research. I'm one who believes that there should be some physiological correlates in those who are said to have a higher state of consciousness. After all, Yogananda, IIRC, made some claims, which were borne out, such as the lack, or very slow decay, of his body after death. I think he also demonstrated going into a state of samadhi, with no detectable breath for significant period of time. I would say events such as those bear further investigation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, your last two paragraphs make a lot of sense to me based on my own experience. I think in general it's wise to take what's good about someone or something and leave the rest. UNLESS there's violence happening in which case I think it's essential to do what one can to prevent it, even if that's only speaking out about it. On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 7:50 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: And Now For Something More Interesting
Yes I see. Well I certainly didn't hit that key 7 times, it's an interesting study, but not THAT interesting. But I must admit to speculating how the breasts of my ex-girlfriends would appear when we are in our 80's if they follow this advice. The Reappearance of this article 7 times must be a programme-flaw, probably cooked up by the same nitwits at Microsoft that made Win8. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Indeed. And I found this message most intriguing: Women who took off their bras for good experienced a 7mm lift in their nipples each year they didn’t wear a bra. Just imagine what 10 years without a bra would do. Truly fascinating stuff. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Looks like you found this study really, really, REALLY interesting, Nabby. ;-) 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99 15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Makes Breasts Saggier http://isupportorganic.blogspot.no/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html http://isupportorganic.blogspot.no/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html
[FairfieldLife] From MUMOSA
Just had to post this cuz I think it makes egg-cellent points - although I do wish he would learn to use a spell checker: On False Invincibility Claims admin April 7, 2014 MUM Stories The rumors are true, the claims are false — in my opinion. Maharishi University of Management has a tricky angle on their promotion of invincibility. They’ve taken the liberty of redefining the english language, giving rise to a subtle psudo-language of subliminal suggestion. This linguistic brinksmanship is, in part and parcel, the keystone of their efforts to thwart common sense through manipulation of what they considder ‘scientific’ research. Again, as a U.S. Navy veteran, it’s quite clear how Maharishi University of Management(MUM) hides a “lie” between two truths when they cite the Journal of Conflict Resolution 32: 776-812 from 1988 or the Journal of Social Behavior and Personality 17(1): 285 – 338 from 2005 trying to impress upon the students this notion of invincibility. Like so many other dillusional claims made by the university, they seem to be extorting a fluke — chance — occurance in reality. The punchline of my response to the invincibility claim was as follows: Let’s put it this way, I can remove a clock’s batteries and it will still be right twice a day without a single electron’s flow. Of course, any time I’d debunk these absurd defense theories the response was that the university doesn’t ask us (the students) to believe the claims of their studies. Rather, the aim is for us to understand that the study exists, and to understand the logic behind the claim. This is how they, Maharishi University of Management, seems to test the gullibility of the students. If everyone goes for it, then great! But if someone shines light on the fallacy, they ammend the lesson on-the-fly with a flimsy disclaimer. It’s like handing me a glass of orange juice and telling me it’s a mimosa; when I discover the lack of champagne in it’s composition, the recourse is a disclaimer “We didn’t intend for you to believe it’s a mimosa, we just want you to understand that it’s what academic study suggests a mimosa to be.” This phenominon is commonly referenced by a word that most four(4) year olds are familiar with — A “LIE.” Another angle on this Invincibility theory lies in the construct of circular reasoning. The suggestion is that: if everyone on the earth is peaceful, then it will essentially eliminate all war. But yet again, this standpoint is also equally as flubbed; if everyone is in fact peaceful, then the concept of war ceases to exist, eliminating the possibility that the peacefulness is inherently invincible; invincibility requires opposition for which the force of invincibility can repel. Merriam Websters defines the term invincible as: : incapable of being conquered, overcome, or subdued ex. a seemingly invincible army For obvious reasons, these concepts — and other similarly fictitious concepts — are presented to students in the first class which is a prerequisite to all other courses at MUM. Perhaps a procedural method of identifying students who lack the necessary naivety required for the success of their tactical mind screw; exploitation; if you don’t speak up, they will let you believe it.
[FairfieldLife] Non-vastu at MUM
Nice photos at the end of the article: http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/on-hazardous-health-conditions.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
what I mean is, that I don't recall many outlandish connections between the discipline being studied and the Science of Creative Intelligence. Some of the disciplines lent themselves to a better comparison, such as physics and mathematics, and maybe chemistry, and some did not. But during the time I was there in the late 70's the campus was brimming with students, and maybe the rigidity was less. On the other hand, as I understand it, the university has had to become more attractive to those without any TM background, which was not the case when I attended. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That is a wonderfully creative idea Driving home the truth about TM all across America! I like it! And what does that mean, circumspect, exactly? On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 7:57 PM Michael, I'd say you've got your work cut out for you. Tackle them one at a time. I can't think of a better use of your time. Maybe you can get a specially outfitted van. Michael's Traveling antiTM Van. Driving Home the Truth about TM Across America, or something along these lines. What do you think? Oh, and by the way, the professors I encountered during my days at MIU seemed a little more circumspect with the discipline/SCI connections. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
You hope all of the below, eh? If scientists found as you hope, wuldn't that imply that everyone who ever learned TM was not just wasting their time, but was putting themselves at risk? Wouldn't a healthier hope be that scientists objectively examine TM's effects in independently done studies, and determine which, if any claims were correct, and which were actually counter to reality, whatever that turns out to mean? An even nicer hope would be that scientists would independently evaluate TM and find that most of the research is valid. An even nicer hope would be to find that TM research is mostly valid AND that TM is at least somewhat unique in positive ways. The hope to find that TM and other practices have the same effect isn't as nice as you might think at first glance simply because there is so much research being published right now on mindfulness that shows that it has small-to-moderate effects on health and wellbeing and virtually no studies that show extremely large positive effects, unlike the recent TM and PTSD in war refugees studies, so if TM and mindfulness have the same effect, then that means that TM really has a small-to-moderate positive effect on PTSD in war refugees, rather than the overwhelmingly huge positive effect that the two latest studies suggest. I would far rather that TM be uniquely positive in its effects, and difficult-to-teach, compared to mindfulness being easy to teach and having tiny positive effects. We can always train more TM teachers afterall. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced me to look at things differently, but I know what I have taken away from the experience overall, and that has allowed me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
Ah, thanks for clarifying. Thanks also for reaching out with your TM enhanced awareness and assessing my state of emotional development. It is true that I was emotionally arrested at age 10, but just 2 weeks of TM allowed me to catch up and I actually got enlightened after 6 months of TM. I am here on FFL because Cosmic Intelligence wants me to challenge you and Buck and a few others to test your enlightenment and hep you along the path. As to MUM, here is a grand assessment from a student from a school review web site: The school is particularly scared of being sued, which is due in large part to a murder that occured in the cafeteria in 2004/5. This is why they changed the name from Maharishi International University to MUM... This has alot to do with why they are so scared of students who seem externally dissatisfied or angry about things. There are other problems, the roads are not well maintained (my car hit a pothole that popped the tire), the dorms have serious black mold issues (that no one talks about, for risk of legal action), safety in fire exits is compromised for the sake of sthapatya ved style of building which dictates that the only practical entrances to a building are east and north. This place is great if you want to be a lazy, loathsome, 20-something-year old kindergartner for the rest of your life. If you are there to get real and get an education, get the fuck out. That's all I got to say. And another that I love: I attended this university for three years. The campus is home to students and followers of Maharishi. In fact all of the faculty are also devoted followers of him and one finds themselves in a cult of personality. In all classes many hours are spent watching old tapes of Maharishi answering questions from audience members at conventions. The main goal of the school is to keep people calm. Work assignments are easy and wasteful of time. In my classes no one fails because the teachers often go over the questions and answers for upcoming exams. Life here is easy and soft, one learns laziness and passivity. Many people stay because life in the outside world is soon seen as hard and scary. Most teachers get paid around one thousand dollars a month before taxes and are given no retirement plan or other benefits except a meal pass at the cafeteria and an option to stay in a dorm room. Students are required to meditate during class time and have to go to class six days out of the week. Since all of the students get passed due to huge grade inflation, the 200 and 300 level classes are filled with students who still don't understand the concepts on a 100 level. This is why answers are handed out. So this school is wonderful if you want to vege out and get a diploma with a high GPA. But if you want to become prepared for a career in the real world stay far away from this place. My experience seems different from what I see in the computer science program; although this program is mainly filled with English as a second language students from Africa and Asia. My main advice for success at M.U.M. is too talk about how wonderful Maharishi and your meditation is. This advice will surely get you straight A's and many accolades regardless of what your term paper or presentation was supposed to be about. 3rd Year Male -- Class 2013 On Wed, 4/9/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 9, 2014, 12:09 AM what I mean is, that I don't recall many outlandish connections between the discipline being studied and the Science of Creative Intelligence. Some of the disciplines lent themselves to a better comparison, such as physics and mathematics, and maybe chemistry, and some did not. But during the time I was there in the late 70's the campus was brimming with students, and maybe the rigidity was less. On the other hand, as I understand it, the university has had to become more attractive to those without any TM background, which was not the case when I attended. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That is a wonderfully creative idea Driving home the truth about TM all across America! I like it! And what does that mean, circumspect, exactly? On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 7:57 PM Michael, I'd say you've got your work cut out for you. Tackle them one at a time. I can't think of a better use of your time. Maybe you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people. But the TM organization isn't equipped to handle those details, and MMY's attitude towards psychiatrists made it difficult to develop the proper professional relationship. Norman Rosenthal could never have been a prominent TMer back in the day, given Maharishi's attitude. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with respect to this man and the incident: 1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner proclaiming it during the incident); 2) there's a circle the wagons attitude to try and protect the organization, the technique and the mystique that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's attitudes towards ever aspect of life can't possibly be wrong in even the tiniest iota. Those two things together brought about this tragedy: The kid grew to believe that he could go off his meds without telling anyone because he believed that TM was all he needed because that was what everyone else around him believed as well. No-one was willing to alert anyone in authority that he was showing signs of instability, and when his actions became so extreme that there was no way to deny that something was seriously wrong, the Powers that Be still chose to try to deny that they needed to turn to outside help. The result was a murder, and two simultaneous lawsuits that nearly bankrupt MUM -one from the family of the murder victim, and one from the family of the murderer. Only now are they recovering from the financial fallout, from what I can tell. It's a shocking story from every angle. I hope some sort of lesson got learned at MUM. Obviously the TMO still keeps up it's pretence of perfection but everyone should have learned something about mental health and the limits of meditating. It isn't going to fix things like this and is likely to make them worse. I've seen it myself a couple of times. No one got hurt, the sufferers just got sent into the care of the health service. A similar story lies behind the recent violence at the pundit compound. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS. Yes, well spotted. I saw only the sensational aspect through my bleary morning eyes. On the other hand, the Maharishi Murderer *IS* exactly what he was. What makes such PR excess possible are the extravagant (and clearly untrue) claims made by MUM about what an ideal society it represents, and how violence and crime simply can't exist inside the awesome Field Of Woo generated by the domes. When you've made claims like that and then had them proved untrue, *of course* you pretend the event never happened in your campus newspapers. Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. I think the excess of hyperbole in the TMO is always going to be a problem. Words like ideal and invincible are all very well but it's all rather easily disproved. Somehow, terms like Same as everywhere else or We're only as good as the people who come and stay aren't going to be such a big draw. But they won't backfire either... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer Sounds like an interesting book. Shame about the appalling title. I think the tagline should read: One Man's Escape from Insanity' is the story of Shuvender Sem, who, 10 years later, we are now going to pretend that on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The Maharishi Murderer' to sell more books. Maybe it covers this, but here is also an interesting story about how some people with latent psychosis are adversely affected by TM and the TMSP. I've known a couple myself. Maybe they do too much, maybe they would have had a breakdown anyway, but they say that about those people who are insane after a hit of LSD. Some things open unconscious wounds and we all know that TM is much more than just a relaxation technique. But it's impossible to say for sure. I think it's just hopelessly ineffective with deep psychological problems, a bit of seratonin goes a long way but
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
If scientists found as you hope, wuldn't that imply that everyone who ever learned TM was not just wasting their time, but was putting themselves at risk? I already know that, but it would be nice to have science confirm it. Yee haaa! As to my hopes they are based in personal experience and reality, not vacuous meanderings of the emotions where one hopes to wake up tomorrow in a sthapatya veda version of a Norman Rockwell painting. On Wed, 4/9/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 9, 2014, 12:20 A You hope all of the below, eh? If scientists found as you hope, wuldn't that imply that everyone who ever learned TM was not just wasting their time, but was putting themselves at risk? Wouldn't a healthier hope be that scientists objectively examine TM's effects in independently done studies, and determine which, if any claims were correct, and which were actually counter to reality, whatever that turns out to mean? An even nicer hope would be that scientists would independently evaluate TM and find that most of the research is valid. An even nicer hope would be to find that TM research is mostly valid AND that TM is at least somewhat unique in positive ways. The hope to find that TM and other practices have the same effect isn't as nice as you might think at first glance simply because there is so much research being published right now on mindfulness that shows that it has small-to-moderate effects on health and wellbeing and virtually no studies that show extremely large positive effects, unlike the recent TM and PTSD in war refugees studies, so if TM and mindfulness have the same effect, then that means that TM really has a small-to-moderate positive effect on PTSD in war refugees, rather than the overwhelmingly huge positive effect that the two latest studies suggest. I would far rather that TM be uniquely positive in its effects, and difficult-to-teach, compared to mindfulness being easy to teach and having tiny positive effects. We can always train more TM teachers afterall. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course that could be because they were required as part of their jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question or situation that arose. I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will hire a group to analyze the entire scientific body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program, see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement, find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it, Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court, MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of the accreditation. Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied, and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is reduced to saying We think you should do it cause we need your money and we think its a good thing to do. Happy Tuesday! On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many have taken this route. A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as Kai Druhl, and his objections run along the same lines. I think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan out you start pounding. I think others were able to figure in a discount for the vision of possibilities and go from there. Yes, some of things that have come to light in the intervening years have caused me some
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
The needs of the many seen from teh perspective of the needs of the few. If you believe in all the little details that Maharishi's perspective implies, then you end up with that kind of response. It's very fundamentalist. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : When I was at MIU there was a kid, I forget how old, I think around 11 or 12 maybe who came onto campus riding his bike I think right around dark. He entered campus on the lower entrance and the MIU security had put a chain across the entrance to keep people from coming in by automobile. Trouble was, they had put no flags or other identifying markers on the chain and in fog or after dark it was very hard to see it till you were right up on it. The kid hit the chain, fell off his bike and sustained injuries such that he was paralyzed. The doctors said he would not recover and would be paralyzed for life. Facing a lifetime of medical bills and dealing with that type of injury the parents chose to sue the university for not having made the chain easy to see and thereby easier to avoid hitting. I remember hearing one faculty member telling one of the kitchen staff it was so unfortunate that the parents were behaving so badly as to sue MIU and they were accruing some really bad karma. On Tue, 4/8/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 9:04 AM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with respect to this man and the incident: 1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner proclaiming it during the incident); 2) there's a circle the wagons attitude to try and protect the organization, the technique and the mystique that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's attitudes towards ever aspect of life can't possibly be wrong in even the tiniest iota. Those two things together brought about this tragedy: The kid grew to believe that he could go off his meds without telling anyone because he believed that TM was all he needed because that was what everyone else around him believed as well. No-one was willing to alert anyone in authority that he was showing signs of instability, and when his actions became so extreme that there was no way to deny that something was seriously wrong, the Powers that Be still chose to try to deny that they needed to turn to outside help. The result was a murder, and two simultaneous lawsuits that nearly bankrupt MUM -one from the family of the murder victim, and one from the family of the murderer. Only now are they recovering from the financial fallout, from what I can tell. It's a shocking story from every angle. I hope some sort of lesson got learned at MUM. Obviously the TMO still keeps up it's pretence of perfection but everyone should have learned something about mental health and the limits of meditating. It isn't going to fix things like this and is likely to make them worse. I've seen it myself a couple of times. No one got hurt, the sufferers just got sent into the care of the health service. A similar story lies behind the recent violence at the pundit compound. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS. Yes, well spotted. I saw only the sensational aspect through my bleary morning eyes. On the other hand, the Maharishi Murderer *IS* exactly what he was. What makes such PR excess possible are the extravagant (and clearly untrue) claims made by MUM about what an ideal society it represents, and how violence and crime simply can't exist inside the awesome Field Of Woo generated by the domes. When you've made claims like that and then had them proved untrue, *of course* you pretend the event never happened in your campus newspapers. Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it never happened in their own minds. I think the excess of hyperbole in the TMO is always going to be a problem. Words like ideal and invincible are all very well but it's all
