[FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : (YAS = Yet Another Study). From the dailymail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2681138/Stressed-work-Meditating-really-does-work-youll-difference-three-days-say-researchers.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2681138/Stressed-work-Meditating-really-does-work-youll-difference-three-days-say-researchers.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But WhyWait But Why http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But Why... http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html This actress crushes the large variety of hilarious accents in the UK. View on waitbutwhy.com http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html Preview by Yahoo . Very good, I'm proper BBC apparently - I can't tell, but Americans always lurve my accent. I'm with Seraphita about Brummie though, when the government announced a high speed train linking the Birmingham to the rest of the UK I thought the money would be better spent on a huge wall to keep them seperate, lest the contagion spreads. Scouse is my next least favourite, for some reason I think of drug dealers and violence every time I hear it but it's one of the friendliest places to visit in the UK! I blame TV for my stereotypes. According to Bill Bryson in his excellent book Mother Tongue there are 43 distinct British regional accents and before people started moving about with the invention of the railway they could be easily subdivided further.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ancient nuclear reactors
2 billion years ago! That means it couldn't possible have anything to do with the vedic myths and the Indus valley phenomenon we discussed earlier. In fact, all we can say from that if it wasn't natural they weren't human or even from this planet. But before we get all hysterical it's probably best to look at it without the hyperbole, it's actually really interesting: Natural nuclear fission reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor Natural nuclear fission reactor - Wikipedia, the free en... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor A natural nuclear fission reactor is a uranium deposit where self-sustaining nuclear chain reactions have occurred. This can be examined by analysis of ... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Ooparts Ancient High Technology--Evidence of Ancient Atomic Knowledge? http://s8int.com/atomic2.html http://s8int.com/atomic2.html Ooparts Ancient High Technology--Evidence of A... http://s8int.com/atomic2.html Evidence of Ancient Atomic Knowledge? ...PAGE 2 Scientists Discover Six Ancient Zones of Depleted Uranium with Plutonium Products Here at s8int.com, we smell a rat... View on s8int.com http://s8int.com/atomic2.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Education in Finland
Excellent article on the quality of education in Finland. You know what I like BEST about it? The excellence of Finnish schools doesn't have ANYTHING to do with TM!!! http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than you are, to prove it isn't. I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it for years. None of them would've even asked about other techniques, as none of them shopped at the spiritual supermarket, as some here do. I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy with their choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness of either mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, suck elephant balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back there, somewhere, which outlines my *short-lived* experiences with other meditation techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than you are, to prove it isn't. I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it for years. None of them would've even asked about other techniques, as none of them shopped at the spiritual supermarket, as some here do. I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy with their choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness of either mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, suck elephant balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back there, somewhere, which outlines my *short-lived* experiences with other meditation techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Ah,but according to Willy Tex's understudy, Stevie, TM isn't touted as the one true path. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
p'raps you had best get the TM checked - if you are allowing something someone says to vex you, that TM can't be working too well then can it? From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain I'll try. Thank you for something different than SHOW ME, WHERE I DIDN'T BACK UP MY ACCUSATIONS, SHOW ME, SHOW ME! (which I did) That was starting to grate on me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : practice what you preach first. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Understood. But fortunately for me I don't need a good or bad jyotish-ee to hep me understand myself. I have Nabby, Buck in the Dome, Dr. D aka Freemacncheesy, and Stevie who has apparently become Willy Tex's understudy to tell me all about myself. You're good people Michael. No worries. I'll do my share to bring you along. First we just tighten up on our attributions. In other words, when you make a statement, take a moment to see it corresponds to reality or is just some kind of emotional release. We'll get there good buddy. Maybe you rub elbows with different TM'ers than I did and than I do, but by FAR the vast majority of TM'ers I ever knew who were into jyotish were into it for two reasons - finding out what kind of good stuff was gone happen, and freaking out when they were told something bad was gonna happen and then scrambling around to buy whatever kind of nostrum was recommended to negate the bad karma. I did it too when I had my chart done, back in 2001. Used all the mantras Brent gave me and bought a big ass moonstone since I hadn't the cash for the size pearl I was supposed to get. Got it wrapped in silver and wore it night and day. Since I didn't die I suppose I could attribute that fact to the remedial measures I took. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain I don't see it as a matter of belief at all. It's more a question of the accuracy with which the chart is interpreted. There are of course bad astrologers as well as good ones. I have found astrology most useful as a tool for self-understanding. Predictions for the future I have found to be iffy at best. And like you I am rather skeptical about preventive measures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Had one done once by Brent Becvar, the jyotish guy for the Chopra Center. Some of the info seemed credible, if you are willing to believe in sade sati which is what I was supposedly in at the time. It was sort of fitting event to the prevailing theory. Some of the other stuff was way off. I have heard many good things about Chakrapani, except for the few people I have spoken with who said he didn't do much for them. I find astrology is wonderful - for those who believe. My destiny, if I have one doesn't have shit to do with the alignment of the planets. So I wouldn't care what Chakrapani had to say about anything. The only thing jyotish had to offer that I was interested in when I was still somewhat of a foolish believer was the idea of preventive measures to prevent or negate one's karma. All of which are bullshit and don't work. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain MJ, I'm wondering if you have ever had your jyotish chart done by a competent astrologer. If not, you might be surprised at the results. I had mine done many years ago by Chakrapani, who is a noted LA astrologer. It was astonishing how well he had me pegged. It was very illuminating. I have had similar positive results from Western astrologers too. The cosmos stamps its unique signature on you at birth, I have no doubt about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There IS no science to jyotish, nor any other aspect of TM - at best it is pseudo-science, or as we common folk in the South like to call it, made up bullshit. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain salyavin, are you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One Two That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi... View on www.adishakti.org http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf Preview by Yahoo Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience, -Buck sharelong60 writes: Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-: punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. Addressing the important issues! The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - I think, therefore I am. Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, not two. In India they call this the Consciousness Only School, ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu). (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. What an egocentric and petty state of mind. My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have never been taught to think of it as the best. That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and *inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other technique of meditation, they instantly drop into dick size contest consciousness, and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a competitor, not just another path or approach. I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and TM science cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never suited up and done any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he knows about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One Two That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi... View on www.adishakti.org Preview by Yahoo Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience, -Buck sharelong60 writes: Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-: punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...[FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. Addressing the important issues! The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - I think, therefore I am. Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, not two. In India they call this the Consciousness Only School, ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu). (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ancient nuclear reactors
On 7/5/2014 2:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: 2 billion years ago! That means it couldn't possible have anything to do with the vedic myths and the Indus valley phenomenon we discussed earlier. Yes. I already covered this in another thread - it was probably a nuclear comet. Nuclear weapons weren't invented until 1945. Why do you keep repeating yourself? We already know the Dravidians didn't invent nuclear reactors 2 billion years ago. Thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Yes, We already know that meditation reduces stress. What we want to know is why some of the other informants on FFL fibbed to us and told us that meditation didn't work - on them. Thanks. 'Stressed at work? Meditating really does work - and you'll see a difference in just three days, say researchers' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2681138/Stressed-work-Meditating-really-does-work-youll-difference-three-days-say-researchers.html On 7/4/2014 8:39 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: (YAS = Yet Another Study). From the dailymail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2681138/Stressed-work-Meditating-really-does-work-youll-difference-three-days-say-researchers.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
John, I just know maybe 50% of the knowledge of jyotish that I've picked up here and there. But I'll guess that your birthday is coming up, Sun in cancer. On Friday, July 4, 2014 10:16 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, I'm running the subdasa of the Moon in the major period of Mercury. You might be able to guess my birthday with that information. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, that is wonderful support of nature, for all involved. Hmmm, if your natal Merc is in Cancer, then either you just had a birthday or have one coming up, as Merc is never far from the Sun. What subdasa are you running? On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:46 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, I actually wanted to travel to Spain before this invitation came along. So, there appears to be a synchronicity of events involved here. Michelle, my cousin's daughter, will be happy for her wedding and I'll be happy for attending it and for the opportunity to travel. Also, she was in Paris when I went there in 2003. But I didn't know at that time that she was there too. So, our paths seem to cross quite often. In my chart, she appears to be represented by Mercury which is placed in my first house. It's actually fascinating to see how these events are unfolding. From what I can see, she is making me travel to see her. And, I don't mind since I like to travel anyway. That's the mystery of karma and jyotish. By the way, I am now running the major period of Mercury. Is that interesting or what? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, it sounds like a wonderful trip and great that the planets are so favorable for it. Vios con Dios (-: On Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:44 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just got an invitation to attend the wedding of my cousin's daughter. Ordinarily, I wouldn't accept an invitation like this from a far away location. But it just so happens that my jyotish chart indicates that I'll be traveling this year due to the exalted Jupiter in conjunction with the lord of the 12th house in Cancer, the first house. Also, the sign of Cancer represents the second house of marriage for my cousin's daughter, who is represented by the 12th house in my own chart. These indicators look auspicious for everyone involved since the benefic Jupiter is exalted while in transit on the same sign for the entire year. So, I should take advantage of this karmic event to get out of San Francisco and visit a foreign country. While over there, I might as well take a side trip to Madrid and a little town called Antequera, which just so happens to be the namesake of the town where I grew up in the Philippines. It should be a good trip since I'm expecting to travel with my cousin and her husband. And, NO. I don't speak fluent Spanish. I've taken the language course while in high school. But I'll bring my Spanish dictionary just in case. Believe it or not, I made a previous trip to France, Switzerland, and Italy without knowing how to speak their languages. If all of the planets align properly, I should be in Seville, Spain on September 27, 2014 to attend the wedding.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
On 7/5/2014 5:40 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than you are, to prove it isn't. The question is, why is Barry so desperate to prove that TM isn't the most effective meditation technique for most people? Some guys likeBarry really want to be spiritual teachers and they try to be one, but they suck at it, and they know it. They just don't have the personal charisma or personality. The next best thing to being a spiritual teacher is to be a critic or a skeptic - /sometimes they suck at that too/. Case in point. I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it for years. None of them would've even asked about other techniques, as none of them shopped at the spiritual supermarket, as some here do. I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy with their choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness of either mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, suck elephant balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back there, somewhere, which outlines my *short-lived* experiences with other meditation techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Independence Day Everyone!
John, if I remember correctly that would put exalted Jupiter in the 8th house for the US. Sort of trims that exaltation a little I guess. On Friday, July 4, 2014 10:09 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, Even though Jupiter is transiting his exaltation sign in Cancer, the planet is transiting the birth-placement of Rahu and Mercury. According to Nandi Nadi jyotish system, this means that the US will be experiencing some fear and challenges due obviously to the situation in Iraq. For now, the president and his generals are not convinced that American troops should get involved in the fighting, unless the IS insurgents threaten the US homeland. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, it would be fun to see the US gochara chart for the coming year. On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:05 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Lest we Americans forget, today is July 4th, the day to commemorate the birth of this nation. This country was and is an experiment by the Founding Fathers to establish a perfect government. They did so by dividing the power of the government between the three branches of government: the executive, legislative and judicial. Ordinarily, this power would have been held by the king, the supreme ruler. The obvious advantage to this system is to eliminate the power of government from being wielded by a single individual. The disadvantage is very apparent as well when we see the government get bogged down by political maneuvers between the president and certain members of the legislative branch.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
On 7/5/2014 5:56 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. You sound stressed-out by what Jim posted - why do you feel so desperate to prove your point? You and Barry spent what, almost half of your adult life trying to find a way to un-stress and you guys still get upset over a news article posted on the internet. Something tells me you're not telling your full story here. Why do you sound so stressed out? Go figure. *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, July 5, 2014 6:40 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than you are, to prove it isn't. I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it for years. None of them would've even asked about other techniques, as none of them shopped at the spiritual supermarket, as some here do. I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy with their choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness of either mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, suck elephant balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back there, somewhere, which outlines my *short-lived* experiences with other meditation techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
On 7/5/2014 5:58 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ah,but according to Willy Tex's understudy, Stevie, TM isn't touted as the one true path. You need to stop the trolling and the fibbing. There is no one true path and MMY has nothing to do with your stress or transcending, or not. Try following emptybill's advice: stop making shit up. *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, July 5, 2014 2:23 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress *From:* lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Hey Michael, I must not be following exactly what is going on with these studies. But, let me say that your ability to make a negtive interpretation of any study or event with regards to TM and the TMO is well documented. Jim saying Anything other than TM is a waste of time, is just his opinion, isn't it, as a long time practitioner. If you are using this as a basis for your assertions that the TMO asserts the TM is the only true spiritual path, you may need to try again. But then again, I am talking to someone who scours the internet for negative reviews about TM, and if he found something in a high school newspaper talking about it, he'd bring if forward as some monumental discovery. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/5/2014 5:40 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than you are, to prove it isn't. The question is, why is Barry so desperate to prove that TM isn't the most effective meditation technique for most people? Some guys likeBarry really want to be spiritual teachers and they try to be one, but they suck at it, and they know it. They just don't have the personal charisma or personality. The next best thing to being a spiritual teacher is to be a critic or a skeptic - sometimes they suck at that too. Case in point. I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it for years. None of them would've even asked about other techniques, as none of them shopped at the spiritual supermarket, as some here do. I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy with their choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness of either mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, suck elephant balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back there, somewhere, which outlines my *short-lived* experiences with other meditation techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:LEnglish5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
*From:* lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. On 7/5/2014 1:23 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) Has anyone else out there noticed that Barry, the science article writer, has never since 1995, ever cited a single scientific study on the effects of meditation, either pro or con? I wonder if Barry has ever actually read any scientific studies on meditation or mindfulness. Go figure. ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
Like. That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Ramana Maharshi http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm On 7/5/2014 6:24 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf image http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One Two That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi... View on www.adishakti.org http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf Preview by Yahoo Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience, -Buck sharelong60 writes: Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-: punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@...[FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. Addressing the important issues! The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - /I think, therefore I am./ Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that /consciousness itself was the ultimate reality/ and that it was /one, not two/. In India they call this the /Consciousness Only School/, ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: /Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)./ (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
On 7/5/2014 6:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Differentiating TM from all other spiritual paths, techniques and methods was ALWAYS done (and still is) and was/is the fundamental basis upon which Marshy's ego and empire was built. You guys need to stop making up bullshit. Everyone meditates and thinks things over every day; and we are all transcending all the time, even without a technique. Meditation means to think things over. You don't know any /special techniques/ any more than we do. There is no TM - apparently you've been in a trance-induction state, by your own admission - TM is just an acronym made up to facilitate communication between teachers to indicate /a meditation that is transcendental/. Everyone knows that /meditation isn't the cause of enlightenment/ - meditation just provides the ideal opportunity for the transcending. /Any technique that provides the opportunity for transcending could be termed transcendental meditation./ - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
On 7/5/2014 6:31 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you. You seem to be distracted this morning - stressed out. It looks like you are starting to wake up to the reality of your own bleak situation. /Paying your rent is more important than Girish selling MUM and the Domes/. Wake up and sell the coffee! Post something we don't know that is interesting. Try to calm down. Try to figure it out. Good luck. P.S. Has anyone else noticed how when MJ gets all stressed out, all his messages begin with RE: and begin and end on one single line? *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf image http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One Two That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi... View on www.adishakti.org http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf Preview by Yahoo Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience, -Buck sharelong60 writes: Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-: punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@...[FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. Addressing the important issues! The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - /I think, therefore I am./ Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that /consciousness itself was the ultimate reality/ and that it was /one, not two/. In India they call this the /Consciousness Only School/, ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: /Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)./ (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
On 7/5/2014 7:16 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hey Michael, I must not be following exactly what is going on with these studies. But, let me say that your ability to make a negtive interpretation of any study or event with regards to TM and the TMO is well documented. Jim saying Anything other than TM is a waste of time, is just his opinion, isn't it, as a long time practitioner. If you are using this as a basis for your assertions that the TMO asserts the TM is the only true spiritual path, you may need to try again. But then again, I am talking to someone who scours the internet for negative reviews about TM, and if he found something in a high school newspaper talking about it, he'd bring if forward as some monumental discovery. (-: It's called /*confirmation*/*/bias/*, an old trick used on newsgroups in the past. Most people on Usenet quit using this form of debate after Judy pointed out their mistakes, but some newbies still use it to discredit their debating opponents. Go figure. Confirmation bias is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. people display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/5/2014 5:40 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than you are, to prove it isn't. The question is, why is Barry so desperate to prove that TM isn't the most effective meditation technique for most people? Some guys likeBarry really want to be spiritual teachers and they try to be one, but they suck at it, and they know it. They just don't have the personal charisma or personality. The next best thing to being a spiritual teacher is to be a critic or a skeptic - /sometimes they suck at that too/. Case in point. I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it for years. None of them would've even asked about other techniques, as none of them shopped at the spiritual supermarket, as some here do. I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy with their choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness of either mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, suck elephant balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back there, somewhere, which outlines my *short-lived* experiences with other meditation techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:LEnglish5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Gomâya Aham Gomâya Swaha
Sometimes the actual mark may appear to be some sort of messy smear where a simile of three lines appear to be. The vertical 'U-shaped' marks of devotional service vary in a large variety, but they must never have any lower 'stem' to the 'U' such as to make it a 'Y'. It may have a series of marks inside the U, and a dot below the U, as also the ash marks may also have marks centered within it, and a dot below it. Source on request. On 7/4/2014 7:48 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 7/4/2014 7:01 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sir Richard Head a.k.a. Pudit Çur a.k.a. MahaGomâya claims he's a tantrika. Gosh ... what will come next? Great to know he applies all these tilaks everyday before he leaves home. No doubt everyone at the college is impressed by such ardor. Got gomâya? Also for the yogis who apply 'ash', who usually claim to be serving a delineation of a Rudra attitude, that those marks which appear as three lines of white ash can never be 'straight across the forehead horizontally'. If the ash mark appears as three equal width lines, applied with open three fingers, then the sadhu is probably an impostor, and should be ignored.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But WhyWait But Why http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But Why... http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html This actress crushes the large variety of hilarious accents in the UK. View on waitbutwhy.com http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html Preview by Yahoo . Very good, I'm proper BBC apparently - I can't tell, but Americans always lurve my accent. I wish I could hear your accent in your writing but instead your wit, sense of humour and intelligence come through. I always enjoy your posting, Sal. I'm with Seraphita about Brummie though, when the government announced a high speed train linking the Birmingham to the rest of the UK I thought the money would be better spent on a huge wall to keep them seperate, lest the contagion spreads. Heh. Scouse is my next least favourite, for some reason I think of drug dealers and violence every time I hear it but it's one of the friendliest places to visit in the UK! I blame TV for my stereotypes. And I'm guilty of feeling like everyone with a southern accent is a hick with a fornicating cousin in their background so I guess we're all guilty of stereotyping. According to Bill Bryson in his excellent book Mother Tongue there are 43 distinct British regional accents and before people started moving about with the invention of the railway they could be easily subdivided further. I love the idea of that much diversity in such a relatively small area.
[FairfieldLife] Minions Strike Again
Minions playing soccer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48omsamp;feature=kp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48omsamp;feature=kp Minions playing soccer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48omsamp;feature=kp This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48omsamp;feature=kp Preview by Yahoo What is it about these guys that is so fricking funny?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Excellent article on the quality of education in Finland. You know what I like BEST about it? The excellence of Finnish schools doesn't have ANYTHING to do with TM!!! I think even the thickest of us could have guessed that by now! I luv ya MJ but you are nothing if not predictable. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful thinking, every time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. What an egocentric and petty state of mind. My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have never been taught to think of it as the best. That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and *inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other technique of meditation, they instantly drop into dick size contest consciousness, and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a competitor, not just another path or approach. I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and TM science cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never suited up and done any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he knows about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : p'raps you had best get the TM checked - if you are allowing something someone says to vex you, that TM can't be working too well then can it? I keep reminding myself that if the women were doing this to Share we would be Mean Girls and picking on her but when you guys do it to Nabby and Steve you're just having a conversation, although you haven't called it that so far.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. What an egocentric and petty state of mind. My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have never been taught to think of it as the best. That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and *inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other technique of meditation, they instantly drop into dick size contest consciousness, and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a competitor, not just another path or approach. I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and TM science cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never suited up and done any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he knows about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. Oh be quiet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland
They Finnish First! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Excellent article on the quality of education in Finland. You know what I like BEST about it? The excellence of Finnish schools doesn't have ANYTHING to do with TM!!! I think even the thickest of us could have guessed that by now! I luv ya MJ but you are nothing if not predictable. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
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Google restored links to some news articles that were removed to comply with a European Union court privacy ruling days after the deletions were criticized by publishers. Go figure. Pulling links to articles is is the equivalent of going into libraries and burning books you don’t like, Martin Clarke, publisher of the Daily Mail’s MailOnline, said in an e-mailed statement... 'Google Restores Some Links Pulled on Privacy Law Ruling' Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-04/google-restores-some-links-pulled-on-privacy-law-ruling.html To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
Every day is the 4th of July for the illumined. Independence Day. It is true. -Buck in the Dome That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One Two That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi... View on www.adishakti.org http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf Preview by Yahoo Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience, -Buck sharelong60 writes: Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-: punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. Addressing the important issues! The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - I think, therefore I am. Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, not two. In India they call this the Consciousness Only School, ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu). (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113 .
[FairfieldLife] On A Clear Day
Johnny Nash - I Can See Clearly Now http://youtu.be/NkwJ-g0iJ6w
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent [1 Attachment]
Illuminati On 7/5/2014 9:09 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Every day is the 4^th of July for the illumined. Independence Day. It is true. -Buck in the Dome That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf image http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One Two That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi... View on www.adishakti.org http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf Preview by Yahoo Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience, -Buck sharelong60 writes: Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-: punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@...[FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. Addressing the important issues! The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - /I think, therefore I am./ Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that /consciousness itself was the ultimate reality/ and that it was /one, not two/. In India they call this the /Consciousness Only School/, ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: /Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)./ (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh
Ann if you feel that way then these two are for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnaw1-1fTglist=PLAQiAhQYrTR0BUjIpcP7M-HJB3cqrGeLN Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 3 View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MBzYZVzJCY How To Speak Southern With Big Bette! View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But WhyWait But Why Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But Why... This actress crushes the large variety of hilarious accents in the UK. View on waitbutwhy.comPreview by Yahoo . Very good, I'm proper BBC apparently - I can't tell, but Americans always lurve my accent. I wish I could hear your accent in your writing but instead your wit, sense of humour and intelligence come through. I always enjoy your posting, Sal. I'm with Seraphita about Brummie though, when the government announced a high speed train linking the Birmingham to the rest of the UK I thought the money would be better spent on a huge wall to keep them seperate, lest the contagion spreads. Heh. Scouse is my next least favourite, for some reason I think of drug dealers and violence every time I hear it but it's one of the friendliest places to visit in the UK! I blame TV for my stereotypes. And I'm guilty of feeling like everyone with a southern accent is a hick with a fornicating cousin in their background so I guess we're all guilty of stereotyping. According to Bill Bryson in his excellent book Mother Tongue there are 43 distinct British regional accents and before people started moving about with the invention of the railway they could be easily subdivided further. I love the idea of that much diversity in such a relatively small area.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. On 7/5/2014 8:52 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Oh be quiet. Barry probably can't be quiet because it's a compulsion to post. To critique the TMers is his way of proving that he is the best dick-waver on FFL. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : p'raps you had best get the TM checked - if you are allowing something someone says to vex you, that TM can't be working too well then can it? On 7/5/2014 8:50 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I keep reminding myself that if the women were doing this to Share we would be Mean Girls and picking on her but when you guys do it to Nabby and Steve you're just having a conversation, although you haven't called it that so far. There's no question that MJ and Barry are mean to Nabby and Steve - just like the MGs. So, just for the record: /Barry sucks as a spiritual teacher and MJ sucks as an MG. /It's not a conversation, it's supposed to be a religious debate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh
the greatest stereotype of this kind is to consider the regional differences in speech as accents - they aren't they are all distinct dialects. That is why so many of the actors in film do poor Southern speech - they are trying to achieve and accent when they should be studying the specific dialect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU Appalachian English View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But WhyWait But Why Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But Why... This actress crushes the large variety of hilarious accents in the UK. View on waitbutwhy.comPreview by Yahoo . Very good, I'm proper BBC apparently - I can't tell, but Americans always lurve my accent. I wish I could hear your accent in your writing but instead your wit, sense of humour and intelligence come through. I always enjoy your posting, Sal. I'm with Seraphita about Brummie though, when the government announced a high speed train linking the Birmingham to the rest of the UK I thought the money would be better spent on a huge wall to keep them seperate, lest the contagion spreads. Heh. Scouse is my next least favourite, for some reason I think of drug dealers and violence every time I hear it but it's one of the friendliest places to visit in the UK! I blame TV for my stereotypes. And I'm guilty of feeling like everyone with a southern accent is a hick with a fornicating cousin in their background so I guess we're all guilty of stereotyping. According to Bill Bryson in his excellent book Mother Tongue there are 43 distinct British regional accents and before people started moving about with the invention of the railway they could be easily subdivided further. I love the idea of that much diversity in such a relatively small area.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Minions Strike Again
Because they are minions playing soccer? Like. http://youtu.be/C058wv48oms On 7/5/2014 8:39 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Minions playing soccer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48omsamp;feature=kp image http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48omsamp;feature=kp Minions playing soccer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48omsamp;feature=kp This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48omsamp;feature=kp Preview by Yahoo What is it about these guys that is so fricking funny?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland
I like my predictability. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Excellent article on the quality of education in Finland. You know what I like BEST about it? The excellence of Finnish schools doesn't have ANYTHING to do with TM!!! I think even the thickest of us could have guessed that by now! I luv ya MJ but you are nothing if not predictable. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland
I do actually find the article very interesting - my comment is a reaction to all the blather that is posted here about how fabulous all the schools are gonna be when they talk about TM getting in them. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Excellent article on the quality of education in Finland. You know what I like BEST about it? The excellence of Finnish schools doesn't have ANYTHING to do with TM!!! I think even the thickest of us could have guessed that by now! I luv ya MJ but you are nothing if not predictable. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
I've never in my life called you a Mean Girl. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : p'raps you had best get the TM checked - if you are allowing something someone says to vex you, that TM can't be working too well then can it? I keep reminding myself that if the women were doing this to Share we would be Mean Girls and picking on her but when you guys do it to Nabby and Steve you're just having a conversation, although you haven't called it that so far.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
I wasn't basing my statement so much on wishful thinking as thinking of all the millions of folks to do other meditations than TM - kind of hard to think of all them being benighted and the relatively few practitioners of TM being at the peak of everything because of their meditation choice. Feels too much like the real independent churches around here where the members believe that only THEY, the members of that particular church are going to heaven while all the rest of the people who suppose themselves to be Christians are going to hell. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful thinking, every time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. What an egocentric and petty state of mind. My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have never been taught to think of it as the best. That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and *inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other technique of meditation, they instantly drop into dick size contest consciousness, and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a competitor, not just another path or approach. I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and TM science cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never suited up and done any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he knows about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Bingo ! And to this day not a single scientific research on other forms of meditations shows anything coming even close. Maharishi was right, yet again. He did say however that the techniques of Yogananda were the best until TM came along but was meant for a recluse lifestyle. Would be interesting to know if anyone have seen any studies on that system ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful thinking, every time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. What an egocentric and petty state of mind. My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have never been taught to think of it as the best. That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and *inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other technique of meditation, they instantly drop into dick size contest consciousness, and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a competitor, not just another path or approach. I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and TM science cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never suited up and done any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he knows about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
Share, You're correct. Your knowledge of jyotish is admirable. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I just know maybe 50% of the knowledge of jyotish that I've picked up here and there. But I'll guess that your birthday is coming up, Sun in cancer. On Friday, July 4, 2014 10:16 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, I'm running the subdasa of the Moon in the major period of Mercury. You might be able to guess my birthday with that information. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, that is wonderful support of nature, for all involved. Hmmm, if your natal Merc is in Cancer, then either you just had a birthday or have one coming up, as Merc is never far from the Sun. What subdasa are you running? On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:46 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, I actually wanted to travel to Spain before this invitation came along. So, there appears to be a synchronicity of events involved here. Michelle, my cousin's daughter, will be happy for her wedding and I'll be happy for attending it and for the opportunity to travel. Also, she was in Paris when I went there in 2003. But I didn't know at that time that she was there too. So, our paths seem to cross quite often. In my chart, she appears to be represented by Mercury which is placed in my first house. It's actually fascinating to see how these events are unfolding. From what I can see, she is making me travel to see her. And, I don't mind since I like to travel anyway. That's the mystery of karma and jyotish. By the way, I am now running the major period of Mercury. Is that interesting or what? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, it sounds like a wonderful trip and great that the planets are so favorable for it. Vios con Dios (-: On Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:44 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just got an invitation to attend the wedding of my cousin's daughter. Ordinarily, I wouldn't accept an invitation like this from a far away location. But it just so happens that my jyotish chart indicates that I'll be traveling this year due to the exalted Jupiter in conjunction with the lord of the 12th house in Cancer, the first house. Also, the sign of Cancer represents the second house of marriage for my cousin's daughter, who is represented by the 12th house in my own chart. These indicators look auspicious for everyone involved since the benefic Jupiter is exalted while in transit on the same sign for the entire year. So, I should take advantage of this karmic event to get out of San Francisco and visit a foreign country. While over there, I might as well take a side trip to Madrid and a little town called Antequera, which just so happens to be the namesake of the town where I grew up in the Philippines. It should be a good trip since I'm expecting to travel with my cousin and her husband. And, NO. I don't speak fluent Spanish. I've taken the language course while in high school. But I'll bring my Spanish dictionary just in case. Believe it or not, I made a previous trip to France, Switzerland, and Italy without knowing how to speak their languages. If all of the planets align properly, I should be in Seville, Spain on September 27, 2014 to attend the wedding.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger. Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is. But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction. Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research. That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all situations. I saw nearly all because there are people who become more anxious, the more relaxed they get, and it may be due to a different mechanism than Maharishi's stress release model that he came up with to describe the cycle of activity during TM, and no doubt there are other exceptions. But for most people, TM's stress-reduction is a Very Good Thing that can help heal nearly any condition. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
Where's you evidence that Girish has any control over any property on the MUM campus? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One Two That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi... View on www.adishakti.org http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf Preview by Yahoo Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience, -Buck sharelong60 writes: Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-: punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. Addressing the important issues! The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - I think, therefore I am. Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, not two. In India they call this the Consciousness Only School, ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu). (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113 .
[FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
Girish doesn't own any property on the MUM campus. There's no evidence that Girish owns anything in the U.S. MJ jut made up some BS and posted it, like he usually does. Go figure. On 7/5/2014 10:51 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Where's you evidence that Girish has any control over any property on the MUM campus? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you. *From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf image http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One Two That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi... View on www.adishakti.org http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf Preview by Yahoo Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience, -Buck sharelong60 writes: Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-: punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@...[FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. Addressing the important issues! The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - /I think, therefore I am./ Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that /consciousness itself was the ultimate reality/ and that it was /one, not two/. In India they call this the /Consciousness Only School/, ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: /Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)./ (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?! On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
[FairfieldLife] Jihadist Declares He's the Boss
He might also antagonize many Muslims. So, how does that spell for the Middle East? http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-states-baghdadi-orders-muslims-obey-him-144048997.html http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-states-baghdadi-orders-muslims-obey-him-144048997.html
[FairfieldLife] A True Story...
Once upon a time UFOs began landing on earth. The leader of the aliens announced, we are here to annihilate all human species on this planet. However before we commence, do you have any questions? A young girl stepped forward and asked, what is the best type of meditation? The aliens looked at each other puzzled. The leader said, we will get back to you on that and took off in his ship to return to the mother ship orbiting the earth. The next thing humans knew was that aliens were blasting each other out of the sky.
Re: [FairfieldLife] YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Sorry, that should have been: YAMS == Yet Another Meditation Study. Now who ordered the Band Gobhi? On 07/04/2014 06:39 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: (YAS = Yet Another Study). From the dailymail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2681138/Stressed-work-Meditating-really-does-work-youll-difference-three-days-say-researchers.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
Share, That's just the beginning. I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots get smarter. But can they transcend as well? That could be a possible topic of discussion for philosophers and programmers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?! On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the greatest stereotype of this kind is to consider the regional differences in speech as accents - they aren't they are all distinct dialects. That is why so many of the actors in film do poor Southern speech - they are trying to achieve and accent when they should be studying the specific dialect. It's still an accent and I would think the scriptwriter needs to study the dialect in order to ensure the actors who are using their assumed accent also incorporate the correct dialect. It is not all up to the actors, they are given their lines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU Appalachian English http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU Preview by Yahoo From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But WhyWait But Why http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But Why... http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html This actress crushes the large variety of hilarious accents in the UK. View on waitbutwhy.com http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html Preview by Yahoo . Very good, I'm proper BBC apparently - I can't tell, but Americans always lurve my accent. I wish I could hear your accent in your writing but instead your wit, sense of humour and intelligence come through. I always enjoy your posting, Sal. I'm with Seraphita about Brummie though, when the government announced a high speed train linking the Birmingham to the rest of the UK I thought the money would be better spent on a huge wall to keep them seperate, lest the contagion spreads. Heh. Scouse is my next least favourite, for some reason I think of drug dealers and violence every time I hear it but it's one of the friendliest places to visit in the UK! I blame TV for my stereotypes. And I'm guilty of feeling like everyone with a southern accent is a hick with a fornicating cousin in their background so I guess we're all guilty of stereotyping. According to Bill Bryson in his excellent book Mother Tongue there are 43 distinct British regional accents and before people started moving about with the invention of the railway they could be easily subdivided further. I love the idea of that much diversity in such a relatively small area.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Google
Probably removing news article links was done by a new 23 year old hire at Google hoping to impress his masters (as if Google has any managers). Or maybe he was looking for a job with the Nasty Snooping Assholes. On 07/05/2014 07:07 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Google restored links to some news articles that were removed to comply with a European Union court privacy ruling days after the deletions were criticized by publishers. Go figure. Pulling links to articles is is the equivalent of going into libraries and burning books you don’t like, Martin Clarke, publisher of the Daily Mail’s MailOnline, said in an e-mailed statement... 'Google Restores Some Links Pulled on Privacy Law Ruling' Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-04/google-restores-some-links-pulled-on-privacy-law-ruling.html To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. Which leads to the question: what does it mean to think a thought? On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, That's just the beginning. I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots get smarter. But can they transcend as well? That could be a possible topic of discussion for philosophers and programmers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?! On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I've never in my life called you a Mean Girl. Thanks MJ, because I am not mean. I don't take any shit and have a hard time suffering fools, but other than that I'm pretty nice most of the time. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : p'raps you had best get the TM checked - if you are allowing something someone says to vex you, that TM can't be working too well then can it? I keep reminding myself that if the women were doing this to Share we would be Mean Girls and picking on her but when you guys do it to Nabby and Steve you're just having a conversation, although you haven't called it that so far.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? The top life form on Earth will be that that infects us all with some deadly contagion, be it in the form of bacteria or virus. Those things always ultimately come out victorious, or at least, decimating. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. On 7/5/2014 8:52 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Oh be quiet. Barry probably can't be quiet because it's a compulsion to post. To critique the TMers is his way of proving that he is the best dick-waver on FFL. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Where's a magnifying glass when I need one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Yes, all that other stuff is a waste of time. There are lots of time wasting activities around, so I am not singling these out, in particular. I am sure there were many people in favor of sticking with gaslight, once electricity was introduced. There are always those afraid of change, and you can't get a more complete change, than doing TM - in my opinion, of course. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't basing my statement so much on wishful thinking as thinking of all the millions of folks to do other meditations than TM - kind of hard to think of all them being benighted and the relatively few practitioners of TM being at the peak of everything because of their meditation choice. Feels too much like the real independent churches around here where the members believe that only THEY, the members of that particular church are going to heaven while all the rest of the people who suppose themselves to be Christians are going to hell. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful thinking, every time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. What an egocentric and petty state of mind. My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have never been taught to think of it as the best. That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and *inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other technique of meditation, they instantly drop into dick size contest consciousness, and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a competitor, not just another path or approach. I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and TM science cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never suited up and done any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he knows about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen.
[FairfieldLife] One for Card
Is this guy a comedian? Finnish PM says, Steve Jobs took our jobs. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/05/steve-jobs-took-our-jobs-says-finnish-prime-minister/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Yep. TM is the only technique for an active life-style -- no copy-catting the recluse life, at all. It gets me out of my own way, like nothing else, for full steam ahead, always. Though he is an odious individual, I am a big fan of the Woody Allen quote: I don't mellow, I rot. I am down to 4 to 6 hours of sleep per night, and if I could sleep less, and do even more, I would.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Bingo ! And to this day not a single scientific research on other forms of meditations shows anything coming even close. Maharishi was right, yet again. He did say however that the techniques of Yogananda were the best until TM came along but was meant for a recluse lifestyle. Would be interesting to know if anyone have seen any studies on that system ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful thinking, every time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. What an egocentric and petty state of mind. My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have never been taught to think of it as the best. That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and *inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other technique of meditation, they instantly drop into dick size contest consciousness, and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a competitor, not just another path or approach. I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and TM science cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never suited up and done any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he knows about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: One for Card
So...Steve stole the stevedores? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Is this guy a comedian? Finnish PM says, Steve Jobs took our jobs. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/05/steve-jobs-took-our-jobs-says-finnish-prime-minister/ http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/05/steve-jobs-took-our-jobs-says-finnish-prime-minister/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ancient nuclear reactors
You never know how clever those Indus Valley people (must've been something like the Silicon Valley) might have been. These days they're busy inventing cow-less milk: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2678218/Would-YOU-drink-pint-man-cows-milk-Scientists-developing-artificial-beverage-spell-end-dairies.html On 07/05/2014 12:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: 2 billion years ago! That means it couldn't possible have anything to do with the vedic myths and the Indus valley phenomenon we discussed earlier. In fact, all we can say from that if it wasn't natural they weren't human or even from this planet. But before we get all hysterical it's probably best to look at it without the hyperbole, it's actually really interesting: Natural nuclear fission reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor Natural nuclear fission reactor - Wikipedia, the free en... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor A natural nuclear fission reactor is a uranium deposit where self-sustaining nuclear chain reactions have occurred. This can be examined by analysis of ... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Ooparts Ancient High Technology--Evidence of Ancient Atomic Knowledge? http://s8int.com/atomic2.html image http://s8int.com/atomic2.html Ooparts Ancient High Technology--Evidence of A... http://s8int.com/atomic2.html Evidence of Ancient Atomic Knowledge? ...PAGE 2 Scientists Discover Six Ancient Zones of Depleted Uranium with Plutonium Products Here at s8int.com, we smell a rat... View on s8int.com http://s8int.com/atomic2.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ancient nuclear reactors
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com You never know how clever those Indus Valley people (must've been something like the Silicon Valley) might have been. These days they're busy inventing cow-less milk: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2678218/Would-YOU-drink-pint-man-cows-milk-Scientists-developing-artificial-beverage-spell-end-dairies.html It's like True Blood, only for wimps. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
On 7/5/2014 11:12 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Share, That's just the beginning. I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots get smarter. But can they transcend as well? That could be a possible topic of discussion for philosophers and programmers. We saw the movie Transcendence on the big screen recently. Barry posted a link to the movie review recently. 388813 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/388813 Transcendence (2014) Johnny Depp, Rebecca Hall, Morgan Freeman http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2209764/ The thing we should be really interested in are the internet bots. An Internet bot is a web robot. They are constantly are running on your computer, attempting to take over, and tracking your every click and key-stroke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_bot Transcendence Official Trailer http://youtu.be/VCTen3-B8GU ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?! On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that they couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a government, are so paranoid about people snooping on them. Sure sounds like an overdose of self-importance to me. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
On 7/5/2014 11:16 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. Which leads to the question: what does it mean to think a thought? A thought is a subtle vibration of consciousness. Thinking is an act - by acting in a given way at any given moment, we can bend the future fate of this being we call 'I,' however slightly, in a direction we are not yet aware of. According to Varenne, /By acting in a given way at any given moment, we can bend the future fate of this being I call 'me,' however slightly, in a direction we am not yet aware of, because at the moment I perform that action (karma), my being is one with the cosmic value of the forces involved in that action./ By paying close attention to moment-to-moment conscious experience, Harris suggests, it is possible to make our sense of self vanish and thereby uncover a new state of personal well-being. http://en.wikipedia.org/Sam_Harris/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris_%28author%29 /'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason'/ by Sam Harris W.W. Norton Company, 2004 p. 214 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, That's just the beginning. I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots get smarter. But can they transcend as well? That could be a possible topic of discussion for philosophers and programmers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?! On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
It was at one time owned by the Maharishi Group - who has ownership of it on paper is anyone guess. I said that merely to see how much stress it would shake out of Bucky's nervous system. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent Where's you evidence that Girish has any control over any property on the MUM campus? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thoughtI(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One Two That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi... View on www.adishakti.orgPreview by Yahoo Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience, -Buck sharelong60 writes: Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-: punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...[FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. Addressing the important issues! The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - I think, therefore I am. Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, not two. In India they call this the Consciousness Only School, ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu). (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
Share, That's a good question. Humans have consciousness. But we're also influenced by the transit of the Moon which can be seen by the varying types of dreams that we have at night. Each zodiac sign and nakshatras have specific effects on the Moon's quality which in turn transmit the information to our minds in the forms of emotion, thinking, and dreams. The other planets do the same thing, but aren't as noticeable because they don't move as fast like the Moon. In effect, these planets have influences on our minds and physiology. We can either act on those influences or witness them as observers of a cosmic dance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. Which leads to the question: what does it mean to think a thought? On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, That's just the beginning. I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots get smarter. But can they transcend as well? That could be a possible topic of discussion for philosophers and programmers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?! On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
On 7/5/2014 11:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that they couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a government, are so paranoid about people snooping on them. Sure sounds like an overdose of self-importance to me. :-) All you have to do is follow the money. The bots want to know how you spend, how you surf the web - especially your bank wants to know what you're up to. By now, you've left data prints all over the network - your very name makes all the lights on the blade server light up all at once. You're tagged. The aliens have almost taken over the entire planet! They've turned us into a world of confusion - weak and unable to see the truth - now we have millions of people who are like androids, blindly following the bots. Like the /Manchurian Candidate/, they are killing us from within and it doesn't have anything to do with how they look or what race they are from or where they are currently living. It should have been a clue way back when you see some guys building pyramids and ziggarats as signals to the other aliens. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
Ann, The human system's antibodies are able to protect the physiology against those bacteria and viruses. So, the threats are mitigated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? The top life form on Earth will be that that infects us all with some deadly contagion, be it in the form of bacteria or virus. Those things always ultimately come out victorious, or at least, decimating. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
Fleetwood, The next development in line is the construction of robot soldiers which can seize the battlefield from enemy combatants. As such, the loss of human soldiers will be drastically reduced. Also, someone speculated that the latest F-35 may be the last warplane that will be flown by a human being. That is to say that the future warplanes will be flown by built-in intelligent computers to fight the battle in any theater or environment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
Barry, All human beings are unique and important individually. But if someone does violate another person's rights, it is likely that he or she would be violating others as well. Isn't that what Big Brother is all about? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that they couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a government, are so paranoid about people snooping on them. Sure sounds like an overdose of self-importance to me. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
Richard, Excellent point. I like the idea that humans do have a choice on how to lead their lives here on earth. But the violence we see in our cities and wars in the Middle East show that many people are not thinking adequately and are simply moved by the gunas at a particular point in time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/5/2014 11:16 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. Which leads to the question: what does it mean to think a thought? A thought is a subtle vibration of consciousness. Thinking is an act - by acting in a given way at any given moment, we can bend the future fate of this being we call 'I,' however slightly, in a direction we are not yet aware of. According to Varenne, By acting in a given way at any given moment, we can bend the future fate of this being I call 'me,' however slightly, in a direction we am not yet aware of, because at the moment I perform that action (karma), my being is one with the cosmic value of the forces involved in that action. By paying close attention to moment-to-moment conscious experience, Harris suggests, it is possible to make our sense of self vanish and thereby uncover a new state of personal well-being. http://en.wikipedia.org/Sam_Harris/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris_%28author%29 'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason' by Sam Harris W.W. Norton Company, 2004 p. 214 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, That's just the beginning. I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots get smarter. But can they transcend as well? That could be a possible topic of discussion for philosophers and programmers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?! On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
On 07/05/2014 09:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that they couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a government, are so paranoid about people snooping on them. Sure sounds like an overdose of self-importance to me. :-) Except that the Nasty Snooping Assholes seem to want to get the goods on everybody to blackmail them. So if you download a movie they've got ya for future reference. Even my brother-in-law, who usually doesn't pay any attention to these things, asked me yesterday about cameras on new TVs. I told him some Smart TVs had them so that folks could Skype with the TV and along with the Netflix apps, etc, could add $200 for extra profit. And these are not surreptitious because they are mentioned as a feature. Anything to sell folks a new TV. Big brother actually is here and wants to turn ordinary unimportant citizens into criminal masterminds. The best thing to do is poison their database with useless information.
[FairfieldLife] Urgent! Tell the JeffCo BOS: Say 'NO' to a $1.55 Million Heartland Co-op Tax Credit Handout
http://files.icontact.com/templates/v2/Divided/images/roundedTop.gif Before this Monday, July 7: Say 'No' To $1.55 Mill Heartland Co-op Tax Credit Handout! https://staticapp.icpsc.com/icp/loadimage.php/mogile/1469663/76ed1d44600d339394d384fe3e1a9bb8/image/jpeg Dear Rick If the idea of handing out $1.55 million in state tax credits to Heartland Co-op for the creation of six new jobs while possibly losing 30 existing jobs bothers you, now is the time to speak up. This Monday morning, July 7th at 9 am, the Jefferson County Board of Supervisors will meet to discuss whether to sponsor Heartland Co-op’s application for $1.55 million in tax credits and incentives under the Iowa High Quality Jobs program. It doesn’t get more absurd than this. The county stands to potentially lose 30 jobs at Overland Sheepskin from the project, as the considerable amounts of dust and noise from the grain elevator will make it difficult for Overland to continue its operations in the present location. Ten to twenty tons of grain dust emissions per year and expensive furs just don’t go together! The decision before the BOS is whether to ignore this fact, and approve the $1.55 million tax handout for the creation of six permanent jobs at the new Heartland Co-op facility. The program falls under Iowa’s High Quality Jobs program, and it is part of an already controversial http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=4672315msgid=39235act=JG6Cc=1469663destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radioiowa.com%2F2014%2F07%2F03%2Fhatch-attacks-branstads-approach-to-economic-development%2F state tax credit program put in place under Governor Terry Branstad. For the tax credit application, Heartland will need the nod of the JeffCo Board of Supervisors. The tax credit program is intended to offer incentives for local economic development, but a facility that creates six jobs, while potentially causing the loss of 30, can hardly be argued to constitute economic development. This, of course, is just one of the numerous ways in which the proposed Heartland facility is likely to adversely affect JeffCo residents. Increased road maintenance costs from the up to 30,000 to 60,000 additional truck trips per year, increased truck traffic through the streets of Fairfield, tons of annual grain dust emissions, and other impacts on the quality of life are just a few of the likely drawbacks of this supposed “economic development” project. The Board of Supervisors has said that the Heartland Co-op facility is a done deal, and there’s nothing they can do. Well, at the very least, they can refrain from supporting a $1.55 million handout to Heartland in state tax credits! This is their chance to stand up for the Leahy family, who for more than twenty years have provided 30 jobs at Overland Sheepskin. How You Can Voice Your Opinion If this just doesn’t seem right to you, now is the time to speak up! Send an email to the supervisors. Or, if you know and are on friendly terms with one of them, call to share your concerns. And if possible, come to the meeting this Monday, July 7, 9 am at the Court House. As always, of course, it’s imperative that we are polite and courteous, when sharing our concerns, and stick to the facts. Below are some possible points to mention if you send an email. Feel free to copy this text and insert in an email, or better, rephrase in your own words and add your own observations. (We also suggest that you send a copy of the email to us afterwards at i...@ahead-iowa.org mailto:i...@ahead-iowa.org ; it's useful for us to have it for our records.) Sample Email Text (Please copy or edit into your own words) To JeffCo Board of Supervisors As I understand it, the BOS will be voting on whether to support an application for a $1.55 million tax credit to Heartland Co-op under the Iowa High Quality Jobs program. As the public debate around the proposed Heartland facility has made clear, the facility represents numerous downsides to our community. In particular, the creation of six jobs, while likely losing 30 at Overland Sheepskin can hardly be characterized as “economic development.” Further, Heartland Co-op is not in compliance with the application criteria for the program, which clearly state that the application has to be submitted before the projected is started. Since Heartland Co-op has already started construction, this clearly is not the case. As a resident of Jefferson County, I urge you to abstain from a vote in support of this program for the above mentioned reasons. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BOS email addresses: Lee Dimmitt, Chairman lee.dimm...@jeffersoncountyia.com mailto:lee.dimm...@jeffersoncountyia.com Richard C. Reed, Vice-Chair - email: dick.r...@jeffersoncountyia.com mailto:dick.r...@jeffersoncountyia.com Becky Schmitz - email: bschm...@jeffersoncountyia.com mailto:bschm...@jeffersoncountyia.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
Good, then we won't have to work anymore. But students should have courses in robotics so they can fix and control the damn things.But give malicious city goons an idea and they'll want big f'in machines patrolling the streets which could crush you in a moment. IEDs could become quite popular to blow them up. The way to prevent this is to overthrow your local town and city governments and replace the ol' boy networks that run them with real concerned citizens. That movement has already begun. Kinda like a browncoat revolution. On 07/05/2014 08:52 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
Richard, This idea could be the next movie hit. You should copyright it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/5/2014 11:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that they couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a government, are so paranoid about people snooping on them. Sure sounds like an overdose of self-importance to me. :-) All you have to do is follow the money. The bots want to know how you spend, how you surf the web - especially your bank wants to know what you're up to. By now, you've left data prints all over the network - your very name makes all the lights on the blade server light up all at once. You're tagged. The aliens have almost taken over the entire planet! They've turned us into a world of confusion - weak and unable to see the truth - now we have millions of people who are like androids, blindly following the bots. Like the Manchurian Candidate, they are killing us from within and it doesn't have anything to do with how they look or what race they are from or where they are currently living. It should have been a clue way back when you see some guys building pyramids and ziggarats as signals to the other aliens. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Somehow all this research stuff seems like comparing apples and goats, because the parameters measured in meditation are not correlated with spiritual goals. Based on my reading, etc., I would say that the spiritual goals as defined by a number of different schools of spiritual development (TM, Tao, Vedanta, Zen I am including here, but there are others, particularly other forms of Buddhism with which I am not so familiar) the spiritual goal would correspond to what Maharishi called Brahman Consciousness (BC). Nothing less than this would correspond to what the others schools call 'enlightenment'. As an example, CC and GC are not considered enlightenment in Zen, the former is an indication of progress near the bottom of the spiritual ladder, and GC is considered hallucinatory, visual and auditory delusions. Unity is also below the upper rung on the ladder, because the concept and idea and experience of unity also has to go by the way. So we dump CC, GC, and UC, and have to establish some kind of parameters for BC. Do we have any data from the TM camp as to the correlates of BC? There are changes in the overall character of experience a person has, but there are also important changes in mental perspective. It does not seem however there is a specific persistent experience that is enlightenment, it is a combination of experiential and knowledge changes together that constitute enlightenment, but there seems to be no useful information that correlates with this across spiritual platforms, or disparate research groups. By the way Lawson, the state of least excitation of the brain is called death. Enlightenment however requires that whatever it may be defined as eventually, it is known while the brain is engaged in practical activity in daily life. Lawson, you always seem to be talking about the earlier stages that lead to enlightenment, and are basing your arguments on that. For example, what percentage of those who learn a meditative technique achieve BC? Since it is known, approximately, that 10 to 20 percent of TM practitioners continue with the practice, at best only 10 to 20 percent could achieve enlightenment via TM. The actual value seems as if it would be considerably lower. Maybe 0.5% or less? I am defining enlightenment as BC, nothing less (this is the 'highest first' principle, though you know there is an incredible joke involved here in calling enlightenment the 'highest'), and there is no scientific correlates to BC I am aware of. What have you got? I recall Maharishi saying if anything resulted in enlightenment, then the way that happened was by 'transcendental meditation', but he seemed to be using the word as a broad category rather than his specific technology. In other words, there is a principle involved, and there are different ways to for that principle to be put into practice. Maharishi said he did not 'round much' when he was with Guru Dev, he just did things for him, and that was basically his practice. The formulation of the specific technique came later. So it appears Maharishi did not get enlightened, if you consider him enlightened, by way of the Transcendental Meditation® Technique. I would think, If 'enlightenment' exists, it would not matter at all how you got there as long as you got there. Nisargadatta took three years, and he did not practice TM. It took Adyashanti about twelve years and then some, and he did not practice TM. There are TM practitioners who have practised over forty years, who seem completely in the dark as to enlightenment, and there are some TM practitioners who have practised considerably less but have come to a much greater level of clarity about this matter. This matter does not seem resolved at all concerning superiority of methods. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger. Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is. But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction. Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research. That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
So if robots are immune to astrological influences they might have an advantage? But then if they are smarter than us they'll use their knowledge of how the moon influences us to launch an attack when we are in a weak dasha period. The human race could be in worse trouble than we thought! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Share, That's a good question. Humans have consciousness. But we're also influenced by the transit of the Moon which can be seen by the varying types of dreams that we have at night. Each zodiac sign and nakshatras have specific effects on the Moon's quality which in turn transmit the information to our minds in the forms of emotion, thinking, and dreams. The other planets do the same thing, but aren't as noticeable because they don't move as fast like the Moon. In effect, these planets have influences on our minds and physiology. We can either act on those influences or witness them as observers of a cosmic dance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. Which leads to the question: what does it mean to think a thought? On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, That's just the beginning. I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots get smarter. But can they transcend as well? That could be a possible topic of discussion for philosophers and programmers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?! On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Share, That's just the beginning. I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots get smarter. But can they transcend as well? That could be a possible topic of discussion for philosophers and programmers. What do you mean, can robots transcend? Can they stop thinking for a bit and just observe their inner sensations? They could do that if you programmed them to but why bother, they won't get tired like we do so a little quiet time will be pointless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?! On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? Man was created by natural selection, the only difference between us and other animals is that we have the ability to inquire and seek explanations for our experience. This ability to understand has given us the way to fathom nature and manipulate it in such a way that we can - given enough research time and tools to refine measurements - create anything that is possible. What seems extremely likely is that we can make a machine that is better - ie; faster - at thinking than we are. It doesn't have to be conscious in the way we are to be more effective at organising and replicating itself but a system of learned and self improving responses to awareness is a good start. Any self-improving machine will realise the advantage of seeing more of the electromagnetic spectrum than we do and hearing more, etc. Is there any actual reason why a machine like this would consider us inferior? I think yes, because we consider ourselves superior - and in charge of - lesser creatures by virtue of our society and achievements, we have a higher order of organisation than anything else which seems like a higher stage of evolution because of the extra ways we have of adapting the environment to suit us, but not for long. The faster an independently reasoning machine thinks the quicker it will adapt, it would rapidly leave us standing. I heard a rumour there is a kill switch on the internet, probably just a myth but someone should try and build one just in case http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
Makes sense for the planes and soldiers. My concern will be when the policemen are replaced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Fleetwood, The next development in line is the construction of robot soldiers which can seize the battlefield from enemy combatants. As such, the loss of human soldiers will be drastically reduced. Also, someone speculated that the latest F-35 may be the last warplane that will be flown by a human being. That is to say that the future warplanes will be flown by built-in intelligent computers to fight the battle in any theater or environment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
I was also addressing Barry, the guy with a bigger mouth, than the sum total of his meditation experience. The guy who really never did TM for any length of time - Quit in the 1970's, and now holds forth on his inferior method of meditation, having neither followed it, or TM, but as usual commenting like an expert, on both. Even if I stopped doing TM, now, and Barry started it, now, he would never equal my number of years meditating, before the end of his life. What a blowhard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't basing my statement so much on wishful thinking as thinking of all the millions of folks to do other meditations than TM - kind of hard to think of all them being benighted and the relatively few practitioners of TM being at the peak of everything because of their meditation choice. Feels too much like the real independent churches around here where the members believe that only THEY, the members of that particular church are going to heaven while all the rest of the people who suppose themselves to be Christians are going to hell. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful thinking, every time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. What an egocentric and petty state of mind. My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have never been taught to think of it as the best. That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and *inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other technique of meditation, they instantly drop into dick size contest consciousness, and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a competitor, not just another path or approach. I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and TM science cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never suited up and done any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he knows about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
When examined for what it is, so called mindfulness, is not a mechanism for reliable transcendence, at all - more like meandering around on the surface of the mind. Something that clearly evolved, as a poor second best, after the knowledge of TM was lost. Those championing it have had very few, or no sustained, deep experiences of transcending, otherwise they would see it for the shallow practice that it is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger. Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is. But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction. Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research. That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all situations. I saw nearly all because there are people who become more anxious, the more relaxed they get, and it may be due to a different mechanism than Maharishi's stress release model that he came up with to describe the cycle of activity during TM, and no doubt there are other exceptions. But for most people, TM's stress-reduction is a Very Good Thing that can help heal nearly any condition. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Urgent! Tell the JeffCo BOS: Say 'NO' to a $1.55 Million Heartland Co-op Tax Credit Handout
Why aren't all of you asking MUM to state their position on this? Not making suppositions but asking them for their official stance? And the TM'ers on the city and county councils? Seems insane not to, unless you WANT Heartland to move in. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Urgent! Tell the JeffCo BOS: Say 'NO' to a $1.55 Million Heartland Co-op Tax Credit Handout Before this Monday, July 7: Say 'No' To $1.55 Mill Heartland Co-op Tax Credit Handout! Dear Rick If the idea of handing out $1.55 million in state tax credits to Heartland Co-op for the creation of six new jobs while possibly losing 30 existing jobs bothers you, now is the time to speak up. This Monday morning, July 7th at 9 am, the Jefferson County Board of Supervisors will meet to discuss whether to sponsor Heartland Co-op’s application for $1.55 million in tax credits and incentives under the Iowa High Quality Jobs program. It doesn’t get more absurd than this. The county stands to potentially lose 30 jobs at Overland Sheepskin from the project, as the considerable amounts of dust and noise from the grain elevator will make it difficult for Overland to continue its operations in the present location. Ten to twenty tons of grain dust emissions per year and expensive furs just don’t go together! The decision before the BOS is whether to ignore this fact, and approve the $1.55 million tax handout for the creation of six permanent jobs at the new Heartland Co-op facility. The program falls under Iowa’s High Quality Jobs program, and it is part of an already controversial state tax credit programput in place under Governor Terry Branstad. For the tax credit application, Heartland will need the nod of the JeffCo Board of Supervisors. The tax credit program is intended to offer incentives for local economic development, but a facility that creates six jobs, while potentially causing the loss of 30, can hardly be argued to constitute economic development. This, of course, is just one of the numerous ways in which the proposed Heartland facility is likely to adversely affect JeffCo residents. Increased road maintenance costs from the up to 30,000 to 60,000 additional truck trips per year, increased truck traffic through the streets of Fairfield, tons of annual grain dust emissions, and other impacts on the quality of life are just a few of the likely drawbacks of this supposed “economic development” project. The Board of Supervisors has said that the Heartland Co-op facility is a done deal, and there’s nothing they can do. Well, at the very least, they can refrain from supporting a $1.55 million handout to Heartland in state tax credits! This is their chance to stand up for the Leahy family, who for more than twenty years have provided 30 jobs at Overland Sheepskin. How You Can Voice Your Opinion If this just doesn’t seem right to you, now is the time to speak up! Send an email to the supervisors. Or, if you know and are on friendly terms with one of them, call to share your concerns. And if possible, come to the meeting this Monday, July 7, 9 am at the Court House. As always, of course, it’s imperative that we are polite and courteous, when sharing our concerns, and stick to the facts. Below are some possible points to mention if you send an email. Feel free to copy this text and insert in an email, or better, rephrase in your own words and add your own observations. (We also suggest that you send a copy of the email to us afterwards at i...@ahead-iowa.org; it's useful for us to have it for our records.) Sample Email Text (Please copy or edit into your own words) To JeffCo Board of Supervisors As I understand it, the BOS will be voting on whether to support an application for a $1.55 million tax credit to Heartland Co-op under the Iowa High Quality Jobs program. As the public debate around the proposed Heartland facility has made clear, the facility represents numerous downsides to our community. In particular, the creation of six jobs, while likely losing 30 at Overland Sheepskin can hardly be characterized as “economic development.” Further, Heartland Co-op is not in compliance with the application criteria for the program, which clearly state that the application has to be submitted beforethe projected is started. Since Heartland Co-op has already started construction, this clearly is not the case. As a resident of Jefferson County, I urge you to abstain from a vote in support of this program for the above mentioned reasons. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BOS email addresses: Lee Dimmitt, Chairman lee.dimm...@jeffersoncountyia.com Richard C. Reed, Vice-Chair - email: dick.r...@jeffersoncountyia.com Becky Schmitz -
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
He might would were he extraordinarily long lived. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress I was also addressing Barry, the guy with a bigger mouth, than the sum total of his meditation experience. The guy who really never did TM for any length of time - Quit in the 1970's, and now holds forth on his inferior method of meditation, having neither followed it, or TM, but as usual commenting like an expert, on both. Even if I stopped doing TM, now, and Barry started it, now, he would never equal my number of years meditating, before the end of his life. What a blowhard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't basing my statement so much on wishful thinking as thinking of all the millions of folks to do other meditations than TM - kind of hard to think of all them being benighted and the relatively few practitioners of TM being at the peak of everything because of their meditation choice. Feels too much like the real independent churches around here where the members believe that only THEY, the members of that particular church are going to heaven while all the rest of the people who suppose themselves to be Christians are going to hell. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful thinking, every time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Anything other than TM is a waste of time. At best, a very short sighted state of mind. What an egocentric and petty state of mind. My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have never been taught to think of it as the best. That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and *inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other technique of meditation, they instantly drop into dick size contest consciousness, and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a competitor, not just another path or approach. I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and TM science cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never suited up and done any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he knows about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their we're the best dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
But mindfulness isn't the only other meditation out there. I used the mantras Chopra gave out after leaving TM (or rather that his teacher gave out, they who were originally taught by Roger Gabriel, a TM Governor who defected the Movement with Chopra). The mantras are different, chosen by one's birth chart and I think there are a hundred or so of them. The experience was quite good and no less deep than my experience of TM. And that is just one of the many other types of meditations. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress When examined for what it is, so called mindfulness, is not a mechanism for reliable transcendence, at all - more like meandering around on the surface of the mind. Something that clearly evolved, as a poor second best, after the knowledge of TM was lost. Those championing it have had very few, or no sustained, deep experiences of transcending, otherwise they would see it for the shallow practice that it is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger. Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is. But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction. Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research. That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all situations. I saw nearly all because there are people who become more anxious, the more relaxed they get, and it may be due to a different mechanism than Maharishi's stress release model that he came up with to describe the cycle of activity during TM, and no doubt there are other exceptions. But for most people, TM's stress-reduction is a Very Good Thing that can help heal nearly any condition. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
[FairfieldLife] Tibetans Have Denisovan Genes
That's why they thrive in the cold and thin atmosphere of Tibet, according to a researcher. http://www.businessinsider.com/secrets-of-tibetans-success-2014-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/secrets-of-tibetans-success-2014-7
[FairfieldLife] David Lynch’s factory fantasyland
The renowned director talks about his lifelong love affair with photographing abandoned factories David Lynch’s factory fantasyland http://www.dazeddigital.com/photography/article/18954/1/david-lynch-s-factory-fantasyland
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045
Salyavin, It would appear that the main reason why intelligent machines would thrive is because human beings would need them. For example, there may be some humans who would need a new limb because they've lost them by accident or medical reasons. So, a robot arm would come in handy. Or there may be some people who are paralyzed due to a malfunction in parts of the brain. So, a robotic brain may be of help to regain motor and mental capacity of these individuals. Given these types of circumstances, robotic development could be helpful for humans. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth. Is that shocking or what? Man was created by natural selection, the only difference between us and other animals is that we have the ability to inquire and seek explanations for our experience. This ability to understand has given us the way to fathom nature and manipulate it in such a way that we can - given enough research time and tools to refine measurements - create anything that is possible. What seems extremely likely is that we can make a machine that is better - ie; faster - at thinking than we are. It doesn't have to be conscious in the way we are to be more effective at organising and replicating itself but a system of learned and self improving responses to awareness is a good start. Any self-improving machine will realise the advantage of seeing more of the electromagnetic spectrum than we do and hearing more, etc. Is there any actual reason why a machine like this would consider us inferior? I think yes, because we consider ourselves superior - and in charge of - lesser creatures by virtue of our society and achievements, we have a higher order of organisation than anything else which seems like a higher stage of evolution because of the extra ways we have of adapting the environment to suit us, but not for long. The faster an independently reasoning machine thinks the quicker it will adapt, it would rapidly leave us standing. I heard a rumour there is a kill switch on the internet, probably just a myth but someone should try and build one just in case http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html
[FairfieldLife] Heather Graham on Closing Out Californication and the Best Thing David Lynch Taught Her
And I was so young, so it was super fun to work with David Lynch. He told me about meditating, so I actually started meditating back then, and I’ve done it since. Heather Graham on Closing Out Californication and the Best Thing David Lynch Taught Her http://www.vulture.com/2014/06/heather-graham-on-closing-out-californication.html
