[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
Does cosmic consciousness still work when you are under an anaesthetic? I'm guessing not. The main worry about this research is that the existence of different attentional states somehow implies that the cosmology as presented by Marshy and his vedic tradition is correct. By cosmology I mean that consciousness is some sort of unified field that is beyond us reachable by us as a kind of method of gaining insight into the workings of physics. I don't think it is at all. What we most likely have here is continual meditation developing a type of awareness using a different section of the brain. It's like when we use NLP techniques to develop new neural networks to achieve different results in life than our social training equips us for. We are immediately aware these modes even if unfamiliar. The evidence is that consciousness is spread out through the brain, meditation may very well be altering the way we perceive it by creating an empty neural network for consciousness to observe, as opposed to something active that people usually achieve when they learn something new. Calling it cosmic is muddying the waters I suspect. More data on how consciousness works is needed, luckily that is piling up all the time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The criteria the Fred used to find his subjects in CC was that they had to have continuous integration of transcendental experiences (TE) with waking and sleeping for at least 1 year. The Cont-TE group. Two other groups were chosen as well: people who intended to learn TM but had not yet started and had rare (less than 1 per year -the Rare-TE group) transcendental experiences, and people who had been practicing TM for a while, but did not report frequent transcendental experiences outside of meditation (between 1 and 10 TE per year -the Occas-TE group). A semi-structured interview and two measures of TE were used to substantiate subjects’ self-reports of inner experiences. The two measures had been developed by non-TMers to measure frequency of transcendental experiences in the general population: Hood’s M-Scale from [Hood, R.W., 1975. The construction and preliminary validation of a measure of reported mystical experience. Journal of Scientific Study Religion 14, 29-41] and Baruss’s Physical-Transcendent Scale from [Baruss, E., Moore, R.J., 1992. Measurement of beliefs about consciousness and reality. Psychology Reports 71, 59-64] Group means for M-Scale were: Rare-TE:/18.19 +/-6.47; Occas-TE:/39.59 +/-3.15; Cont-TE:/60.79 +/-0.61. Group means for the Physical-Transcendent Scale were: Rare-TE:/35.79 +/-5.21; Occas-TE:/61.49 +/-4.71; Cont-TE:/84.19 +/-2.96. Various EEG and other physical measures were done as well as interview questions. The results were reported in two different papers: http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Does cosmic consciousness still work when you are under an anaesthetic? I'm guessing not. The jury may be out on this one, because of a somewhat scary phenomenon called anesthesia awareness. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anesthesia_awareness) This is quite a concern among surgeons because it's possible (and happens in 0.2-0.4% of cases, more if the patient is traumatized) for a person to receive the full and appropriate dose of an anesthetic that is supposed to knock them out completely, yet still be awake during an operation. Imagine being able to feel the surgeon cutting into your heart, or being able to hear them talking about you. The latter possibility has now almost comically worked its way into surgical guidelines: Because the medical staff may not know if a person is unconscious or not, it has been suggested that the staff maintain the professional conduct that would be appropriate for a conscious patient. The main worry about this research is that the existence of different attentional states somehow implies that the cosmology as presented by Marshy and his vedic tradition is correct. By cosmology I mean that consciousness is some sort of unified field that is beyond us reachable by us as a kind of method of gaining insight into the workings of physics. I don't think it is at all. What we most likely have here is continual meditation developing a type of awareness using a different section of the brain. It's like when we use NLP techniques to develop new neural networks to achieve different results in life than our social training equips us for. We are immediately aware these modes even if unfamiliar. The evidence is that consciousness is spread out through the brain, meditation may very well be altering the way we perceive it by creating an empty neural network for consciousness to observe, as opposed to something active that people usually achieve when they learn something new. Calling it cosmic is muddying the waters I suspect. More data on how consciousness works is needed, luckily that is piling up all the time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The criteria the Fred used to find his subjects in CC was that they had to have continuous integration of transcendental experiences (TE) with waking and sleeping for at least 1 year. The Cont-TE group. Two other groups were chosen as well: people who intended to learn TM but had not yet started and had rare (less than 1 per year -the Rare-TE group) transcendental experiences, and people who had been practicing TM for a while, but did not report frequent transcendental experiences outside of meditation (between 1 and 10 TE per year -the Occas-TE group). A semi-structured interview and two measures of TE were used to substantiate subjects’ self-reports of inner experiences. The two measures had been developed by non-TMers to measure frequency of transcendental experiences in the general population: Hood’s M-Scale from [Hood, R.W., 1975.The construction and preliminary validation of a measure of reported mystical experience. Journal of Scientific Study Religion 14, 29-41] and Baruss’s Physical-Transcendent Scale from [Baruss, E., Moore, R.J., 1992. Measurement of beliefs about consciousness and reality. Psychology Reports 71, 59-64] Group means for M-Scale were: Rare-TE:/18.19 +/-6.47; Occas-TE:/39.59 +/-3.15; Cont-TE:/60.79 +/-0.61. Group means for the Physical-Transcendent Scale were: Rare-TE:/35.79 +/-5.21; Occas-TE:/61.49 +/-4.71; Cont-TE:/84.19 +/-2.96. Various EEG and other physical measures were done as well as interview questions. The results were reported in two different papers: http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf L
[FairfieldLife] Good Morning America
http://www.tm.org/good-morning-america Good Morning America: What did they say about TM? | T... What did they say about TM? Popular Meditation Topics Benefits of Transcendental Meditation on Stress | Reducing High Blood Pressure with View on www.tm.org Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good Morning America
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mikemail4you@... wrote : http://www.tm.org/good-morning-america http://www.tm.org/good-morning-america http://www.tm.org/good-morning-america Good Morning America: What did they say about TM? | T... http://www.tm.org/good-morning-america What did they say about TM? Popular Meditation Topics Benefits of Transcendental Meditation on Stress | Reducing High Blood Pressure with View on www.tm.org http://www.tm.org/good-morning-america Preview by Yahoo Thanks for posting this. It really is a Good Morning Post, especially when Bobby reminds that everybody deep within has calm, settled state of the mind. I'm hoping for lots of that calmness to be evident at FFL Today.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Let Us Gird on our Spiritual Armor and Fight!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Allahu akbar! Jai guru dev, every body! If that's your favorite line from Charlie Chaplin's Great Dictator Speech, someone must have sold you a bootleg. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:29 PM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Jai Guru Dev, let us fight for reason in a world where science and progress will lead to happiness... The modern science is om so quite clear now, that everyone should have the time and the resources for adequate enough quiet time and effective transcendent meditation everyday, twice a day and more. Let us hasten the day when this will be, it cannot happen fast enough. We must have a new spiritual standard of living that is ultimately spiritual and scientific. Let us all fight for that now. We who know must act for everyone. Let us join in effective meditation together, -Buck in the Dome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo I'll bet that everyone here has their favorite line from Charlie Chaplin's Great Dictator Speech. Mine is: Only the unloved hate ain't it sad and a shame?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I bet everyone has experienced this deepest level of love at some point in their lives. Actually, I think we ARE this, at our core. And life delivers whatever we need to realize this and live it all the time. Which I don't. But it's my intention. Great intention and I wish more were motivated that way; can you imagine what a different world we would be living in? But, I am not saying that many have not experienced deep love at some point in their lives what I am saying that it is just as valid to also experience disapproval or downright repugnance at something a loved one might enact or believe and that is just as valid. Reality is not all about rainbows and roses - the richness of life also includes the sopping wet downpour and the thorns. Ann, Now I gotta return your kind words previously sent to me: You are rich I guess I'm paraphrasing, but sincere. Hey, you two -- tell us more! On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:07 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. bummer You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of feeling nothing. As a teen I experienced that the bottom fell out. Talk about panic! But I don't know nothing about feeling nothing. Can be?
[FairfieldLife] Avert the Danger by not wearing jeans
KJ Yesudas: India singer criticised for 'sexist' jeans remark Women's groups in the southern Indian state of Kerala have criticised the legendary singer KJ Yesudas for saying women should not wear jeans. The singer said that wearing jeans was against Indian culture and provoked undesirable behaviour. He is popular for singing Indian classical and devotional songs and has won several prestigious music awards. But his comments prompted several groups to lead protest marches in the state capital, Trivandrum. Women should not wear jeans and trouble others. You should dress modestly and do not behave like men, the singer told a gathering at the Swati Thirunal College of Music in the state capital, Trivandrum, on Thursday. People would be tempted to pay attention to what's beyond it... Don't do it to attract and make others do the undesirable, he said, drawing applause from a section of the male audience. Whatever should be covered, should be covered. We appreciate what's concealed and that's our culture, he added. #Yesudas on Twitter By Friday morning #Yesudas was making an appearance among Indians on Twitter. They responded with a mixture of despair, outrage but some expressed their support for his position. Activist Kavita Krishnansuggested he cover his eyes rather than ask women to cover up. Others he suggested he cover his mouth. But there were also some tweets that said he was merely speaking out in defence of Indian traditions. One user, Shyam, tweeted that Yesudas has the right to state his views and was an elderly person with wisdom. Women in both the state's ruling Congress party and the opposition Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) have condemned the remarks and asked the singer to withdraw them and apologise. The Congress party's Bindu Krishna said the singer's comments were immature and vulgar while CPI(M) MP TN Seema said they smacked of perversion and insulted Kerala's achievements in gender equality. This is really shocking! If this is the attitude of a cultural icon like him, there's some serious trouble with our society, Ms Seema told BBC
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Dear Ann, Thank you for the lunch invitation. You will be pleased to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to be invited. We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a hearty appetite. Your appreciative guests. P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma) I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too. My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover? He comes highly recommended. Thank you for the offering of your son but my niece is already married to a rather doting Israeli. She also converted to Judaism and her three children have rather beautiful Israeli names. I did get in trouble one time though for bringing some non-Kosher grape juice into their kitchen and had to keep it up in my bedroom instead of putting it in their fridge. I now check all the labels on the foods I buy while staying at their place. Kedem Also, my lovely daughter has been dating a Modern Orthodox man, so my family is learning quite a bit. So here's some background on The Day: Yom Kippur http://judaism.about.com/od/holidays/a/yomkippur.htm is the Jewish Day of Atonement and is considered the holiest and most solemn day on the Jewish calendar. Because Yom Kippur is a fast day, it is appropriate to wish your Jewish friends an Easy Fast on Yom Kippur, or in Hebrew Tzom Kal. The traditional Yom Kippur greeting is G'mar Hatimah Tovah or May You Be Sealed for a Good Year (in the Book of Life). This reflects the Jewish view of Yom Kippur as the day when God seals our fates (determined by our actions) for the upcoming year in the Books of Life or Death. And the #4 was as delicious as you said. Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost... Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard (who is a buddhist), protecting the Mona Lisa, on the day shift). Apropos of nothing, there is a nondescript eating establishment, in a strip mall, in Fremont, CA that my wife and I saw, and the name instantly become part of our vocabulary (well, mine, anyway...). It is called, creatively, The Niche Business Cafe. I imagine you walk in, and are given a short interview, on how niche your particular business is, and if you qualify, you're in. So, for example, a shoe salesman, is out, but a bowling shoe salesman, is seated immediately. Sporting goods out, but selling just fishing line? Booth or table? ... I'll be the English Equestrian Supply luncher as opposed to the Tack Store Owner. food again more? ok ffl posters, Name Your Game!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
Dan, thank you so much for posting this wonderful knowledge about Judaism. I
love all the Hebrew aphorisms and sayings. I can totally understand why Dr.
Nancy and the Druke's wife converted.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 6:06 AM, danfriedman2002
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
Dear Ann,
Thank you for the lunch invitation.
You will be pleased to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled
to be invited.
We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.
Your appreciative guests.
P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)
I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the
ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all
talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have
a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too. My son is an artist
living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover?
He comes highly recommended.
Thank you for the offering of your son but my niece is already married to a
rather doting Israeli. She also converted to Judaism and her three children
have rather beautiful Israeli names. I did get in trouble one time though for
bringing some non-Kosher grape juice into their kitchen and had to keep it up
in my bedroom instead of putting it in their fridge. I now check all the labels
on the foods I buy while staying at their place.
Kedem
Also, my lovely daughter has been dating a Modern Orthodox man, so my family
is learning quite a bit. So here's some background on The Day:
Yom Kippur is the Jewish Day of Atonement and is considered the holiest and
most solemn day on the Jewish calendar. Because Yom Kippur is a fast day, it is
appropriate to wish your Jewish friends an Easy Fast on Yom Kippur, or in
Hebrew Tzom Kal. The traditional Yom Kippur greeting is G'mar Hatimah Tovah
or May You Be Sealed for a Good Year (in the Book of Life). This reflects the
Jewish view of Yom Kippur as the day when God seals our fates (determined by
our actions) for the upcoming year in the Books of Life or Death.
And the #4 was as delicious as you said.
Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all
those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost...
Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Dan, thank you so much for posting this wonderful knowledge about Judaism. I love all the Hebrew aphorisms and sayings. I can totally understand why Dr. Nancy and the Druke's wife converted. It is always good for a Doctor's reputation to have both MD and Jew (at least in the name). Here's my favorite headline: A Beatle Marries a Jew A Beatle marries a Jew: Paul McCartney weds Nancy Shevell | Hollywood Jew http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/a_beatle_marries_a_jew_paul_mccartney_weds_nancy_shevell_20111011/ http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/a_beatle_marries_a_jew_paul_mccartney_weds_nancy_shevell_20111011/ A Beatle marries a Jew: Paul McCartney weds Nancy S... http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/a_beatle_marries_a_jew_paul_mccartney_weds_nancy_shevell_20111011/ Even after enduring the death of one spouse and the divorce of another, Paul McCartney hasn’t soured on marriage. View on www.jewishjournal.com http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/a_beatle_marries_a_jew_paul_mccartney_weds_nancy_shevell_20111011/ Preview by Yahoo A Beatle marries a Jew On Friday, October 3, 2014 6:06 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Dear Ann, Thank you for the lunch invitation. You will be pleased to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to be invited. We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a hearty appetite. Your appreciative guests. P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma) I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too. My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover? He comes highly recommended. Thank you for the offering of your son but my niece is already married to a rather doting Israeli. She also converted to Judaism and her three children have rather beautiful Israeli names. I did get in trouble one time though for bringing some non-Kosher grape juice into their kitchen and had to keep it up in my bedroom instead of putting it in their fridge. I now check all the labels on the foods I buy while staying at their place. Kedem Also, my lovely daughter has been dating a Modern Orthodox man, so my family is learning quite a bit. So here's some background on The Day: Yom Kippur http://judaism.about.com/od/holidays/a/yomkippur.htm is the Jewish Day of Atonement and is considered the holiest and most solemn day on the Jewish calendar. Because Yom Kippur is a fast day, it is appropriate to wish your Jewish friends an Easy Fast on Yom Kippur, or in Hebrew Tzom Kal. The traditional Yom Kippur greeting is G'mar Hatimah Tovah or May You Be Sealed for a Good Year (in the Book of Life). This reflects the Jewish view of Yom Kippur as the day when God seals our fates (determined by our actions) for the upcoming year in the Books of Life or Death. And the #4 was as delicious as you said. Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost... Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avert the Danger by not wearing jeans
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : KJ Yesudas: India singer criticised for 'sexist' jeans remark Women's groups in the southern Indian state of Kerala have criticised the legendary singer KJ Yesudas for saying women should not wear jeans. The singer said that wearing jeans was against Indian culture and provoked undesirable behaviour. He is popular for singing Indian classical and devotional songs and has won several prestigious music awards. But his comments prompted several groups to lead protest marches in the state capital, Trivandrum. Women should not wear jeans and trouble others. You should dress modestly and do not behave like men, the singer told a gathering at the Swati Thirunal College of Music in the state capital, Trivandrum, on Thursday. People would be tempted to pay attention to what's beyond it... Don't do it to attract and make others do the undesirable, he said, drawing applause from a section of the male audience. Whatever should be covered, should be covered. We appreciate what's concealed and that's our culture, he added. #Yesudas on Twitter By Friday morning #Yesudas was making an appearance among Indians on Twitter. They responded with a mixture of despair, outrage but some expressed their support for his position. Activist Kavita Krishnan suggested he cover his eyes https://twitter.com/kavita_krishnan/status/517723601722560512 rather than ask women to cover up. Others he suggested he cover his mouth. But there were also some tweets that said he was merely speaking out in defence of Indian traditions. One user, Shyam, tweeted that Yesudas has the right to state his views https://twitter.com/systech27/status/517933641893040130and was an elderly person with wisdom. Women in both the state's ruling Congress party and the opposition Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) have condemned the remarks and asked the singer to withdraw them and apologise. The Congress party's Bindu Krishna said the singer's comments were immature and vulgar while CPI(M) MP TN Seema said they smacked of perversion and insulted Kerala's achievements in gender equality. This is really shocking! If this is the attitude of a cultural icon like him, there's some serious trouble with our society, Ms Seema told BBC While disagreeing with his position, I do agree with ten of his words: Women...do not behave like men We appreciate what's concealed, he added. Having said that, I now expect Michael's discriminatory faculties to go into overdrive. Here it comes...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avert the Danger by not wearing jeans
Yes, and for good and well bred old higher spiritual reason in more fundamental human ways I would agree with our colleague from NYC too. This is about ethic in culturing the subtle body. -Buck in the Dome Whatever should be covered, should be covered. We appreciate what's concealed and that's our culture, he added. Dan.of.NYC fashionably posts: mjackson74 wrote : KJ Yesudas: India singer criticised for 'sexist' jeans remark Women's groups in the southern Indian state of Kerala have criticised the legendary singer KJ Yesudas for saying women should not wear jeans. The singer said that wearing jeans was against Indian culture and provoked undesirable behaviour. He is popular for singing Indian classical and devotional songs and has won several prestigious music awards. But his comments prompted several groups to lead protest marches in the state capital, Trivandrum. Women should not wear jeans and trouble others. You should dress modestly and do not behave like men, the singer told a gathering at the Swati Thirunal College of Music in the state capital, Trivandrum, on Thursday. People would be tempted to pay attention to what's beyond it... Don't do it to attract and make others do the undesirable, he said, drawing applause from a section of the male audience. Whatever should be covered, should be covered. We appreciate what's concealed and that's our culture, he added. #Yesudas on Twitter By Friday morning #Yesudas was making an appearance among Indians on Twitter. They responded with a mixture of despair, outrage but some expressed their support for his position. Activist Kavita Krishnan suggested he cover his eyes https://twitter.com/kavita_krishnan/status/517723601722560512 rather than ask women to cover up. Others he suggested he cover his mouth. But there were also some tweets that said he was merely speaking out in defence of Indian traditions. One user, Shyam, tweeted that Yesudas has the right to state his views https://twitter.com/systech27/status/517933641893040130and was an elderly person with wisdom. Women in both the state's ruling Congress party and the opposition Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) have condemned the remarks and asked the singer to withdraw them and apologise. The Congress party's Bindu Krishna said the singer's comments were immature and vulgar while CPI(M) MP TN Seema said they smacked of perversion and insulted Kerala's achievements in gender equality. This is really shocking! If this is the attitude of a cultural icon like him, there's some serious trouble with our society, Ms Seema told BBC While disagreeing with his position, I do agree with ten of his words: Women...do not behave like men We appreciate what's concealed, he added. Having said that, I now expect Michael's discriminatory faculties to go into overdrive. Here it comes...
[FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avert the Danger by not wearing jeans
Right... a tight fitting pair of Levis just brings out that *animal lust* in
all of us. Not good for that brahmacharya life style.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 5:27 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Yes, and for good and well bred old higher spiritual reason in more
fundamental human ways I would agree with our colleague from NYC too. This is
about ethic in culturing the subtle body. -Buck in the Dome
Whatever should be covered, should be covered. We appreciate what's concealed
and that's our culture, he added.
Dan.of.NYC fashionably posts:
mjackson74 wrote :
KJ Yesudas: India singer criticised for 'sexist' jeans remark
Women'sgroups in the southern Indian state of Kerala have criticised
thelegendary singer KJ Yesudas for saying women should not wear jeans.
The singer said that wearing jeans was against Indian culture and provoked
undesirable behaviour.
He is popular for singing Indian classical and devotional songs and has won
several prestigious music awards.
But his comments prompted several groups to lead protest marches in the state
capital, Trivandrum.
Women should not wear jeans and trouble others. You shoulddress modestly and
do not behave like men, the singer told a gatheringat the Swati Thirunal
College of Music in the state capital, Trivandrum,on Thursday.
People would be tempted to pay attention to what's beyondit... Don't do it to
attract and make others do the undesirable, hesaid, drawing applause from a
section of the male audience.
Whatever should be covered, should be covered. We appreciate what's concealed
and that's our culture, he added.
#Yesudas on Twitter
By Friday morning #Yesudas was making an appearance among Indians on Twitter.
They responded with a mixture of despair, outrage but some expressed their
support for his position.
Activist Kavita Krishnan suggested he cover his eyes rather than ask women to
cover up. Others he suggested he cover his mouth.
But there were also some tweets that said he was merely speaking out in defence
of Indian traditions.
One user, Shyam, tweeted that Yesudas has the right to state his views and was
an elderly person with wisdom.
Women in both the state's ruling Congress party and theopposition Communist
Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) have condemned theremarks and asked the singer
to withdraw them and apologise.
The Congress party's Bindu Krishna said the singer's commentswere immature
and vulgar while CPI(M) MP TN Seema said they smackedof perversion and
insulted Kerala's achievements in gender equality.
This is really shocking! If this is the attitude of acultural icon like him,
there's some serious trouble with our society,Ms Seema told BBCWhile
disagreeing with his position, I do agree with ten of his words:
Women...do not behave like men
We appreciate what's concealed, he added.
Having said that, I now expect Michael's discriminatory faculties to go into
overdrive.
Here it comes...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
On 10/3/2014 1:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Does cosmic consciousness still work when you are under an anaesthetic? /Non sequitur. A person has to be conscious to experience consciousness—the having of perceptions, thoughts, and feelings and awareness. A person under anaeshesia by definition is unconsciousness./ /You are not even making any sense. Go figure./ /A definition of cosmic consciousness might be in order here. According to what I've read, the most extensive study of the characteristics of altered states of consciousness was made by psychologist Charles Tart in the 1960s and 1970s. William James is usually credited with popularizing the idea that human consciousness flows like a stream. According to Richard Maurice, cosmic consciousness is a higher form of consciousness than that possessed by the ordinary man. Bucke distinguished between three types of consciousness: Simple Consciousness, awareness of the body, possessed by many animals; Self Consciousness, awareness of being aware, possessed only by humans; and Cosmic Consciousness, awareness of the life and order of the universe, possessed only by humans who are enlightened. / I'm guessing not. The main worry about this research is that the existence of different attentional states somehow implies that the cosmology as presented by Marshy and his vedic tradition is correct. /My guess is that any scientific research concerning altered states of consciousness that you might report on FFL is biased. There's noMarshy mentioned in the Vedic tradition.// Bias: prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. / By cosmology I mean that consciousness is some sort of unified field that is beyond us /There is no evidence that cosmology that is consciousness is a united field that is beyond us.//Scientists want to find an activity that has a neural correlate that is part of the brain or some kind of global pattern of brain activity. If found, there should be a predictive of conscious awareness and would be demonstrated with brain imaging techniques, such as EEG and fMRI./ reachable by us as a kind of method of gaining insight into the workings of physics. /For TMers, the most thorough account of the spiritual approach may be Ken Wilber's book The Spectrum of Consciousness. Wilber compares western and eastern ways of thinking about the mind and consciousness. According to Wilber, consciousness is a spectrum. Ordinary awareness is at one end, and more profound types of awareness are found at higher levels. / I don't think it is at all. The only way humans can know anything is through consciousness - cosmic consciousness implies transcendental knowledge; knowledge that is beyond the sensible. /Works cited:/ Wiber, Ken (2002). The Spectrum of Consciousness. Charles Tart (2001). Ch. 2: The components of consciousness. States of Consciousness. Bucke, Richard Maurice (2009). Cosmic Consciousness: A Study in the Evolution of the Human Mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
Does cosmic consciousness still work when you are under an anaesthetic? On 10/3/2014 3:38 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The jury may be out on this one, because of a somewhat scary phenomenon called anesthesia awareness. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anesthesia_awareness) //Non sequitur. /Is this anything like your dumb report on total sleep deprivation? / This is quite a concern among surgeons because it's possible (and happens in 0.2-0.4% of cases, more if the patient is traumatized) for a person to receive the full and appropriate dose of an anesthetic that is supposed to knock them out completely, yet still be awake during an operation. Imagine being able to feel the surgeon cutting into your heart, or being able to hear them talking about you. The latter possibility has now almost comically worked its way into surgical guidelines: Because the medical staff may not know if a person is unconscious or not, it has been suggested that the staff maintain the professional conduct that would be appropriate for a conscious patient. /Anesthesia by definition is a temporary unconscious state where there is a no pain. Anesthesia awareness occurs during general anesthesia when the patient has not been given enough of the general anesthetic to render the patient unconscious./
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. bummer You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of feeling nothing. As a teen I experienced that the bottom fell out. Talk about panic! But I don't know nothing about feeling nothing. Can be? Terrifying. But I never got to the nothing part because I was fighting for my life! It was during a particularly harrowing confrontation during the Robin days and there was a man in the room who went into a kind of catatonic state and had been getting worse and worse over about two or three days of the seminar. Finally Robin couldn't stand it any more because he kept feeling this presence in the room (the demonic on some grand scale in this case, as he would have put it back then) so this really terrifying scenario unfolded, which I won't go into any detail about, but it is a good story. At one point during this dramatic event I felt this life-sucking, numbing paralytic type force trying to get into my body and brain and I instinctively knew I needed to keep it at bay at all costs. It was only through a supreme effort of will and grace that I was able to hold it off but I believe that that would have been the closest to feeling nothing while still alive and conscious if I had allowed that force, that terrible overwhelming numbness to take a hold. I'm no mood maker, this was real. I was given an experience that told me, loud and clear, that one element of evil as it can sometimes manifest in human beings is a lack of ability to feel and that numbness (like novocaine throughout the body) is the antithesis to healthy life. There are outside forces out there - I don't mess around - even with Ouija boards. I have had some real concrete experiences of all sorts of malevolent forces in the world, they are not to be messed with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Let Us Gird on our Spiritual Armor and Fight!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Allahu akbar! Jai guru dev, every body! On 10/3/2014 5:51 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: If that's your favorite line from Charlie Chaplin's Great Dictator Speech, someone must have sold you a bootleg. Sometimes it's difficult for respondents to convey their sense of humor or a sense of irony, Dan. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Avert the Danger by not wearing jeans
/Non sequitur. Everyone knows that jeans are cotton fiber denim pants. And, almost everyone knows that the ancient Indians invented cotton and pants. Go figure./ On 10/3/2014 6:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: KJ Yesudas: India singer criticised for 'sexist' jeans remark Women's groups in the southern Indian state of Kerala have criticised the legendary singer KJ Yesudas for saying women should not wear jeans. The singer said that wearing jeans was against Indian culture and provoked undesirable behaviour. He is popular for singing Indian classical and devotional songs and has won several prestigious music awards. But his comments prompted several groups to lead protest marches in the state capital, Trivandrum. Women should not wear jeans and trouble others. You should dress modestly and do not behave like men, the singer told a gathering at the Swati Thirunal College of Music in the state capital, Trivandrum, on Thursday. People would be tempted to pay attention to what's beyond it... Don't do it to attract and make others do the undesirable, he said, drawing applause from a section of the male audience. Whatever should be covered, should be covered. We appreciate what's concealed and that's our culture, he added. * * *#Yesudas on Twitter* By Friday morning #Yesudas was making an appearance among Indians on Twitter. They responded with a mixture of despair, outrage but some expressed their support for his position. Activist Kavita Krishnansuggested he cover his eyes https://twitter.com/kavita_krishnan/status/517723601722560512 rather than ask women to cover up. Others he suggested he cover his mouth. But there were also some tweets that said he was merely speaking out in defence of Indian traditions. One user, Shyam, tweeted that Yesudas has the right to state his views https://twitter.com/systech27/status/517933641893040130and was an elderly person with wisdom. Women in both the state's ruling Congress party and the opposition Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) have condemned the remarks and asked the singer to withdraw them and apologise. The Congress party's Bindu Krishna said the singer's comments were immature and vulgar while CPI(M) MP TN Seema said they smacked of perversion and insulted Kerala's achievements in gender equality. This is really shocking! If this is the attitude of a cultural icon like him, there's some serious trouble with our society, Ms Seema told BBC
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Kedem Also, my lovely daughter has been dating a Modern Orthodox man, so my family is learning quite a bit. So here's some background on The Day: Yom Kippur http://judaism.about.com/od/holidays/a/yomkippur.htm is the Jewish Day of Atonement and is considered the holiest and most solemn day on the Jewish calendar. Because Yom Kippur is a fast day, it is appropriate to wish your Jewish friends an Easy Fast on Yom Kippur, or in Hebrew Tzom Kal. The traditional Yom Kippur greeting is G'mar Hatimah Tovah or May You Be Sealed for a Good Year (in the Book of Life). This reflects the Jewish view of Yom Kippur as the day when God seals our fates (determined by our actions) for the upcoming year in the Books of Life or Death. I love to hear about the deep traditions that have prevailed over time. I know that one thing my niece loves about the things that she observes and practices in her new faith is that it really brings them together as a family. There is much time spent together recognizing and practicing the various holidays and traditions and she finds it comforting and meaningful. If I were to guess, I think she also feels the Judaic traditions allow her children a healthy counterpoint to the superficiality that is our world today, that barrages us, and perhaps children in particular. All I know is that she feels enriched by it all. For me, I am a bit more of a free wheeler. I adhere to no particular faith or religious tradition and perhaps that results from lack of discipline in that context or perhaps I just find the general world around me the most intriguing and interesting. Monotheistic pagan that I am.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Dan, thank you so much for posting this wonderful knowledge about Judaism. I love all the Hebrew aphorisms and sayings. I can totally understand why Dr. Nancy and the Druke's wife converted. It is always good for a Doctor's reputation to have both MD and Jew (at least in the name). Here's my favorite headline: A Beatle Marries a Jew A Beatle marries a Jew: Paul McCartney weds Nancy Shevell | Hollywood Jew http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/a_beatle_marries_a_jew_paul_mccartney_weds_nancy_shevell_20111011/ http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/a_beatle_marries_a_jew_paul_mccartney_weds_nancy_shevell_20111011/ A Beatle marries a Jew: Paul McCartney weds Nancy S... http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/a_beatle_marries_a_jew_paul_mccartney_weds_nancy_shevell_20111011/ Even after enduring the death of one spouse and the divorce of another, Paul McCartney hasn’t soured on marriage. View on www.jewishjournal.com http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/a_beatle_marries_a_jew_paul_mccartney_weds_nancy_shevell_20111011/ Preview by Yahoo A Beatle marries a Jew That's funny. I wonder if she had been Protestant if they would have said, A Beatle Marries a Protestant. Nah, way too boring.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avert the Danger by not wearing jeans
On 10/3/2014 7:27 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, and for good and well bred old higher spiritual reason in more fundamental human ways I would agree with our colleague from NYC too. This is about ethic in culturing the subtle body. -Buck in the Dome /There is a good reason they call underwear panties Buck - women wear them all the time. What were you doing looking up the saris of Indian women? That's not being very subtle, Buck. Go figure./
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- awoelflebater@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. bummer You listen to me, you moron. Your bald headed charlatan, MMY dosen't believe in evolution. So, you think it's 'bummer'? Your Torah is a huge pile of shit. Pull your head out of this fraudulent religion and curse it. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of feeling nothing. As a teen I experienced that the bottom fell out. Talk about panic! But I don't know nothing about feeling nothing. Can be? Terrifying. But I never got to the nothing part because I was fighting for my life! It was during a particularly harrowing confrontation during the Robin days and there was a man in the room who went into a kind of catatonic state and had been getting worse and worse over about two or three days of the seminar. Finally Robin couldn't stand it any more because he kept feeling this presence in the room (the demonic on some grand scale in this case, as he would have put it back then) so this really terrifying scenario unfolded, which I won't go into any detail about, but it is a good story. At one point during this dramatic event I felt this life-sucking, numbing paralytic type force trying to get into my body and brain and I instinctively knew I needed to keep it at bay at all costs. It was only through a supreme effort of will and grace that I was able to hold it off but I believe that that would have been the closest to feeling nothing while still alive and conscious if I had allowed that force, that terrible overwhelming numbness to take a hold. I'm no mood maker, this was real. I was given an experience that told me, loud and clear, that one element of evil as it can sometimes manifest in human beings is a lack of ability to feel and that numbness (like novocaine throughout the body) is the antithesis to healthy life. There are outside forces out there - I don't mess around - even with Ouija boards. I have had some real concrete experiences of all sorts of malevolent forces in the world, they are not to be messed with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' [1 Attachment]
On 10/3/2014 7:49 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck /Following our TM initiation we heard several of Charles Lutes' introductory lectures when we were living in Los Angeles and they were always interesting and on topic. What you need to understand Buck, is that Lute's was the president of the SRM and had nothing to do with the hippies that started up the SIMS.//Charles Lutes was not a TM Teacher - he was an executive, speaker and a TM checker. //According to Bob Brigante, Charles Lutes had previously studied the occult under Manly P. Hall and he was a member of the Rosicrucian Fellowship. Apparently Lutes was reluctant to give it up //which was one of the reasons why Lutes was not on the MUM board of trustees. This interest in the occult was confirmed by BillyG in an early posting on usenet concerning Lute's promotion of Max Heindel's book The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception. Go figure. However, the residence course we took with Charlie was very restful and effective in relieving some of the stress we incurred living in L.A. at the time./ /Charles F. Lutes and Helen Lutes with MMY Inside the SRM, 1967/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : I think share is a little confused. Whttt! Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes. You have disrupted a very instructive conversation between 2 women who know exactly what they are talking about! Ann, when she differs, does so like a normal person: That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. You, on the other hand poke your snout in with: I think share is a little confused. I'm coming back to you! Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) (turquoiseb) That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. (salyavin808)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
I'm not sure what CC is, but if it includes witnessing sleep I don't think any physiological state could stop it. I think it should continue under anesthesia or even drunkenness. Should continue, even when the body drops too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : I think share is a little confused. Whttt! Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes. You have disrupted a very instructive conversation between 2 women who know exactly what they are talking about! Ann, when she differs, does so like a normal person: That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. You, on the other hand poke your snout in with: I think share is a little confused. I'm coming back to you! Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! Yes I expect that it does. The world is as you are. I guess your response will not deal with calling Share a little confused. Nice avoidance of reality, Mr Spock. No emotions, I expect. These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) (turquoiseb) No need for me to bother with you, life has already done that Turq. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. (salyavin808) I'm coming back to you. Just for the fun of it. I guess a discussion of Love has set you off again, Salamander. Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! Yes I expect that it does. The world is as you are. I guess your response will not deal with calling Share a little confused. Nice avoidance of reality, Mr Spock. No emotions, I expect. These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) (turquoiseb) Turq. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
dear Dan, imho you've brought light and laughter and dare I say love to FFL. As for jedi's analysis, actually I really like Howard Wills' concept of loving neutrality. I'm guessing that's the CC version of love. It's a good place to start (-: On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:49 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : I think share is a little confused. Whttt! Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes. You have disrupted a very instructive conversation between 2 women who know exactly what they are talking about! Ann, when she differs, does so like a normal person: That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. You, on the other hand poke your snout in with: I think share is a little confused. I'm coming back to you! Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! Yes I expect that it does. The world is as you are. I guess your response will not deal with calling Share a little confused. Nice avoidance of reality, Mr Spock. No emotions, I expect. These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) (turquoiseb) No need for me to bother with you, life has already done that Turq. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. (salyavin808) I'm coming back to you. Just for the fun of it. I guess a discussion of Love has set you off again, Salamander. Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! Yes I expect that it does. The world is as you are. I guess your response will not deal with calling Share a little confused. Nice avoidance of reality, Mr Spock. No emotions, I expect. These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
Just as it says in the Gita, about pure consciousness being unable to be influenced or destroyed, yes, the witness of pure awareness, continues, through any permutation of awareness the mind is in - sleep, dreaming, intoxicated, awake. These states of awareness are due to the gross functioning of the body, in response to its needs. Barry, who seems perpetually confused, equates waking state with Cosmic Consciousness, and is dead wrong, as usual. Just as love unites, and creates perfection, simply by its nature, so does Cosmic Consciousness, uniting everything within the universal awareness. Trying to sense CC, or imagine what it is like, as Barry has done, will never lead to knowledge or understanding of that state of Cosmic Consciousness. Living it is the only way to know what is going on, and be able to explain it clearly. Otherwise, it is the imposition of imagination, on waking state consciousness, and that just leads to delusion, as should be obvious by the strange assumptions and speculations being made. Thinking you know something doesn't make it so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Does cosmic consciousness still work when you are under an anaesthetic? I'm guessing not. The main worry about this research is that the existence of different attentional states somehow implies that the cosmology as presented by Marshy and his vedic tradition is correct. By cosmology I mean that consciousness is some sort of unified field that is beyond us reachable by us as a kind of method of gaining insight into the workings of physics. I don't think it is at all. What we most likely have here is continual meditation developing a type of awareness using a different section of the brain. It's like when we use NLP techniques to develop new neural networks to achieve different results in life than our social training equips us for. We are immediately aware these modes even if unfamiliar. The evidence is that consciousness is spread out through the brain, meditation may very well be altering the way we perceive it by creating an empty neural network for consciousness to observe, as opposed to something active that people usually achieve when they learn something new. Calling it cosmic is muddying the waters I suspect. More data on how consciousness works is needed, luckily that is piling up all the time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The criteria the Fred used to find his subjects in CC was that they had to have continuous integration of transcendental experiences (TE) with waking and sleeping for at least 1 year. The Cont-TE group. Two other groups were chosen as well: people who intended to learn TM but had not yet started and had rare (less than 1 per year -the Rare-TE group) transcendental experiences, and people who had been practicing TM for a while, but did not report frequent transcendental experiences outside of meditation (between 1 and 10 TE per year -the Occas-TE group). A semi-structured interview and two measures of TE were used to substantiate subjects’ self-reports of inner experiences. The two measures had been developed by non-TMers to measure frequency of transcendental experiences in the general population: Hood’s M-Scale from [Hood, R.W., 1975. The construction and preliminary validation of a measure of reported mystical experience. Journal of Scientific Study Religion 14, 29-41] and Baruss’s Physical-Transcendent Scale from [Baruss, E., Moore, R.J., 1992. Measurement of beliefs about consciousness and reality. Psychology Reports 71, 59-64] Group means for M-Scale were: Rare-TE:/18.19 +/-6.47; Occas-TE:/39.59 +/-3.15; Cont-TE:/60.79 +/-0.61. Group means for the Physical-Transcendent Scale were: Rare-TE:/35.79 +/-5.21; Occas-TE:/61.49 +/-4.71; Cont-TE:/84.19 +/-2.96. Various EEG and other physical measures were done as well as interview questions. The results were reported in two different papers: http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi@... wrote : I'm not sure what CC is, but if it includes witnessing sleep I don't think any physiological state could stop it. I think it should continue under anesthesia or even drunkenness. Should continue, even when the body drops too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
On 10/3/2014 8:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. /Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide.//All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith./ Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avert the Danger by not wearing jeans
--- dhamiltony2k5@.. mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, and for good and well bred old higher spiritual reason in more fundamental human ways I would agree with our colleague from NYC too. This is about ethic in culturing the subtle body. -Buck in the Dome --- punditster@... wrote : There is a good reason they call underwear panties Buck - women wear them all the time. What were you doing looking up the saris of Indian women? That's not being very subtle, Buck. Go figure. Young indian women wear Salwar. Older indian women wear saris. In fact salwars look quite good on western women too. https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V7hjtRFSOGE/TRG-2e5GjMI/AUI/nsHHBaolAi8/s1600/readytowear-salwar-kameez-75-copy1.png https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V7hjtRFSOGE/TRG-2e5GjMI/AUI/nsHHBaolAi8/s1600/readytowear-salwar-kameez-75-copy1.png http://shefashiontrend.com/wp-content/uploads/indian_shalwar_kameez_fashion.png http://shefashiontrend.com/wp-content/uploads/indian_shalwar_kameez_fashion.png
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Preview by Yahoo TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide. All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/3/2014 9:14 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Your Torah is a huge pile of shit. Pull your head out of this fraudulent religion and curse it. /Had you said in your original comments, The Israeli// //government is a pile of shit, that would not have// //provoked the accusation of anti-Semitism.// // //However, you made your bigoted assertion in terms of// //the Jews as an ethnic/religious group and used the// //words of Jesus to justify it--indicating you believed// //the Jews were a pile of shit group all the way back// //to biblical times./ From: Judy Stein Subject: Re: Israel and Palestine Forum: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2002-06-24 07:17:23 PST / // //Bigot: //a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, especially a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group). /
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : I think share is a little confused. Whttt! Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes. You have disrupted a very instructive conversation between 2 women who know exactly what they are talking about! Ann, when she differs, does so like a normal person: That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. You, on the other hand poke your snout in with: I think share is a little confused. I'm coming back to you! --- jedi_spock@... wrote : Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! Yes I expect that it does. The world is as you are. I guess your response will not deal with calling Share a little confused. Nice avoidance of reality, Mr Spock. I am sorry Dan. I now realise how crude, insensitive, I have been. Share is old enough to be my mother. I guess, I should show her much more courtesy. No emotions, I expect. These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) (turquoiseb) No need for me to bother with you, life has already done that Turq. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. (salyavin808) I'm coming back to you. Just for the fun of it. I guess a discussion of Love has set you off again, Salamander.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi@... wrote : I'm not sure what CC is, but if it includes witnessing sleep I don't think any physiological state could stop it. I think it should continue under anesthesia or even drunkenness. Should continue, even when the body drops too. Correct. My experience is inclusive of anesthesia and inebriation. But not that later state.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 9:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. --- jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote : In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. bummer You listen to me, you moron. Your bald headed charlatan, MMY dosen't believe in evolution. So, you think it's 'bummer'? Your Torah is a huge pile of shit. Pull your head out of this fraudulent religion and curse it. --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of feeling nothing. As a teen I experienced that the bottom fell out. Talk about panic! But I don't know nothing about feeling nothing. Can be? Terrifying. But I never got to the nothing part because I was fighting for my life! It was during a particularly harrowing confrontation during the Robin days and there was a man in the room who went into a kind of catatonic state and had been getting worse and worse over about two or three days of the seminar. Finally Robin couldn't stand it any more because he kept feeling this presence in the room (the demonic on some grand scale in this case, as he would have put it back then) so this really terrifying scenario unfolded, which I won't go into any detail about, but it is a good story. At one point during this dramatic event I felt this life-sucking, numbing paralytic type force trying to get into my body and brain and I instinctively knew I needed to keep it at bay at all costs. It was only through a supreme effort of will and grace that I was able to hold it off but I believe that that would have been the closest to feeling nothing while still alive and conscious if I had allowed that force, that terrible overwhelming numbness to take a hold. I'm no mood maker, this was real. I was given an experience that told me, loud and clear, that one element of evil as it can sometimes manifest in human beings is a lack of ability to feel and that numbness (like novocaine throughout the body) is the antithesis to healthy life. There are outside forces out there - I don't mess around - even with Ouija boards. I have had some real concrete experiences of all sorts of malevolent forces in the world, they are not to be messed with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
On 10/3/2014 10:12 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. /Some more minor comments: // // //According to MMY, the Self is eternal and transcendental to time and space; the self lives inside time and space and the senses.//The individual self is an appearance only - a product of the senses. If appearances derived through one sensory channel appear contradictory, it is natural to appeal to other senses for corroboration. The question is, how do we decide between conflicting senses? // //The transcendentalists who arranged the Upanishads agree that we must transcend the world of sense perception in order to know and understand the world of perception. They all agreed that the indescribable material world is of a self-contradictory nature and that if you want to remove the contradictions you have to transcend the world.// // //Otherwise, a person is just using common sense: thinking that the world of objects is the only existence, that there is nothing beyond or transcendental to the senses. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi@... wrote : I'm not sure what CC is, but if it includes witnessing sleep I don't think any physiological state could stop it. I think it should continue under anesthesia or even drunkenness. Should continue, even when the body drops too.
[FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Free speech allows the negativity addicts to expose themselves for what they are, see? Don't get me wrongly -- I'd toss out about half of the folks posting here regularly for their vile trolling and personal attacks. But that's just me as if it were Edg's Party. If you were throwing an actual real world party and these folks showed up, I'd never come to one of your parties again. But now that they're here, lemonade can be made by pointing out that these broken psyches were never helped by TM -- a strong warning to any who are being sucked into the promised-heavens. Imagine if you'd attended a 1st lecture and Nabby and Willy were there saying, I'm a long time TMer! -- would you have started? Ugh, huh? Oh, maybe YOU would, but not meI'd judge the technique by the results. Of course, if your party were the ideal conversation pit with everyone being civil, informed, logical -- I wouldn't be allowed, because I love to scream. Sigh..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avert the Danger by not wearing jeans
On 10/3/2014 10:29 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Young indian women wear Salwar. Older indian women wear saris. In fact salwars look quite good on western women too. Maybe it's time to review what we know about denim:/ // //Denim is a cotton textile in which the weft passes under two or more warp threads. This twill weaving produces the familiar diagonal ribbing of the denim that distinguishes it from cotton duck.// // /So, the issue here is not denim, Levi's or tight-fitting - the issue is pants. There are probably millions of women in India that wear cotton. There are probably a thousand women who wear Levi's. The term tight merely describes clothing that fits, rather than clothing that is baggy. Another issue to consider: Why are millions of men in India wearing dresses and skirts? In a recent post to FFL entitled What People Wear, I pointed out that clothes may make the man, but it's the women that wear the pants. http://youtu.be/hA_Yf1m55FA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
What is the role of the brain in Samadhi and higher states? Sparaig recently quoted MMY: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. … Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. This implies or opens the door to a model that Samadhi and higher states are achieved via neuroplasticity of the brain -- culturing and refining it in ways as to enable Samadhi, eventually on permanent basis. That is, the brain is optimized via new neural connections, long-term potentiation (persistent increase in synaptic strength following high-frequency stimulation of a chemical synapse) across existing neural pathways, changes in activation potential of long cascades of neurons, modification of mix, availability and persistence of neurotransmitters (NT), changes in NT receptors, etc. Which is a fascinating prospect. And might imply a genetic propensity towards Samadhi in some populations or families relative to others. That is, while everyone could culture Samadhi via systematic neuroplasticity methods, some may have a genetic head start -- the brain is already has some requisite pre-wiring. However, if Samadhi is brain dependent, then established Samadhi would not be sustained upon death of the body. And may not persevere with large changes to brain chemistry or structural changes from accidents or disease such as Alzheimers. And cessation of Samadhi at death would be inconsistent with significant portions of traditional literature, which in turn would then tend to place all statements in traditional literature in question. On the other hand, if Samadhi is not brain dependent, then what are physiological / brain research on meditation / yoga measuring? And why would the body or brain matter in modalities to culture Samadhi? These questions keep me awake at night.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
Mac said: Just as it says in the Gita, about pure consciousness being unable to be influenced or destroyed, yes, the witness of pure awareness, continues, through any permutation of awareness the mind is in - sleep, dreaming, intoxicated, awake BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. What is the role of the brain in Samadhi and higher states? Sparaig recently quoted MMY: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. … Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. This implies or opens the door to a model that Samadhi and higher states are achieved via neuroplasticity of the brain -- culturing and refining it in ways as to enable Samadhi, eventually on permanent basis. That is, the brain is optimized via new neural connections, long-term potentiation (persistent increase in synaptic strength following high-frequency stimulation of a chemical synapse) across existing neural pathways, changes in activation potential of long cascades of neurons, modification of mix, availability and persistence of neurotransmitters (NT), changes in NT receptors, etc. Which is a fascinating prospect. And might imply a genetic propensity towards Samadhi in some populations or families relative to others. That is, while everyone could culture Samadhi via systematic neuroplasticity methods, some may have a genetic head start -- the brain is already has some requisite pre-wiring. However, if Samadhi is brain dependent, then established Samadhi would not be sustained upon death of the body. And may not persevere with large changes to brain chemistry or structural changes from accidents or disease such as Alzheimers. And cessation of Samadhi at death would be inconsistent with significant portions of traditional literature, which in turn would then tend to place all statements in traditional literature in question. On the other hand, if Samadhi is not brain dependent, then what are physiological / brain research on meditation / yoga measuring? And why would the body or brain matter in modalities to culture Samadhi? These questions keep me awake at night.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
You make good points, although TM folks haven’t been persecuted the way Jews have, so anti-semitism is a touchier issue, as racism would be too. As with all such things, there’s no clear-cut demarkation. No absolute right or wrong. Hard to judge wisely, especially with my drive-by style of moderating. But again to your point, imagine a White Supremacist were in here spewing outrageous nastiness on a regular basis. I think most all would agree that he should be banned. So it’s a matter of degree, and when someone moves a bit too far in that direction, in my opinion, he should be warned and if he ignores the warning, banned. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Free speech allows the negativity addicts to expose themselves for what they are, see? Don't get me wrongly -- I'd toss out about half of the folks posting here regularly for their vile trolling and personal attacks. But that's just me as if it were Edg's Party. If you were throwing an actual real world party and these folks showed up, I'd never come to one of your parties again. But now that they're here, lemonade can be made by pointing out that these broken psyches were never helped by TM -- a strong warning to any who are being sucked into the promised-heavens. Imagine if you'd attended a 1st lecture and Nabby and Willy were there saying, I'm a long time TMer! -- would you have started? Ugh, huh? Oh, maybe YOU would, but not meI'd judge the technique by the results. Of course, if your party were the ideal conversation pit with everyone being civil, informed, logical -- I wouldn't be allowed, because I love to scream. Sigh..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
On 10/3/2014 11:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote: H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Free speech allows the negativity addicts to expose themselves for what they are, see? Don't get me wrongly -- I'd toss out about half of the folks posting here regularly for their vile trolling and personal attacks. But that's just me as if it were Edg's Party. If you were throwing an actual real world party and these folks showed up, I'd never come to one of your parties again. But now that they're here, lemonade can be made by pointing out that these broken psyches were never helped by TM -- a strong warning to any who are being sucked into the promised-heavens. Imagine if you'd attended a 1st lecture and Nabby and Willy were there saying, I'm a long time TMer! -- would you have started? Ugh, huh? Oh, maybe YOU would, but not meI'd judge the technique by the results. /So, I wonder where Edg's head was when the subject of anti-semitism came up on FFL?// // //http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118714.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg180549.html/ / //http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118724.html/ Of course, if your party were the ideal conversation pit with everyone being civil, informed, logical -- I wouldn't be allowed, because I love to scream. Sigh..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/3/2014 11:08 AM, 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments. On 10/3/2014 11:08 AM, 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments. Judy was in fact the moderator for years, for all practical purposes - with her gone, I tried to do what I could. You turned out to be a big slacker for blaming me for the discord. You really opened a can of worms when you allowed these kinds of bigoted informants to take over the forum. Don't even bother to shut it down, Rick. You suck as a discussion moderator. /He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.// // //The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the // //'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.// // //He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The // //damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a // //religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing // //but deceptive 'double talk'./ Subject: Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth Author: jedi_spock Forum: Yahoo FairfieldLife Date: Thursday, September 11, 2014 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg328859.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Imagine if you'd attended a 1st lecture and Nabby and Willy were there saying, I'm a long time TMer! -- would you have started? Ugh, huh? Oh, maybe YOU would, but not meI'd judge the technique by the results. Ha ha! If only they had been at my intro - would-a saved me a lot of foolishness. And even tho Nabby would never admit it, the Movement would NEVER allow him to be at any public PR about the Movement were they to know of his Benjy Creme proclivities. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 12:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Free speech allows the negativity addicts to expose themselves for what they are, see? Don't get me wrongly -- I'd toss out about half of the folks posting here regularly for their vile trolling and personal attacks. But that's just me as if it were Edg's Party. If you were throwing an actual real world party and these folks showed up, I'd never come to one of your parties again. But now that they're here, lemonade can be made by pointing out that these broken psyches were never helped by TM -- a strong warning to any who are being sucked into the promised-heavens. Imagine if you'd attended a 1st lecture and Nabby and Willy were there saying, I'm a long time TMer! -- would you have started? Ugh, huh? Oh, maybe YOU would, but not meI'd judge the technique by the results. Of course, if your party were the ideal conversation pit with everyone being civil, informed, logical -- I wouldn't be allowed, because I love to scream. Sigh..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
On 10/3/2014 12:02 PM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And might imply a genetic propensity towards Samadhi in some populations or families relative to others. /This might be a good time to review the definition of samadhi:/ 1. Sanskrit (saúmaúdhi) n. Jap., sanmai or zanmai 2. Nirvana, parinirvana from the root word 'Sam', to establish, make firm 3. A conscious experience that lies beyond waking, dreaming, and deep sleep 4. A meditative mental equipoise /The word samadhi is found in the early Buddhist literature, specifically in the Sutras of Shakya the Muni, India's first historical yogin. There is a long history of the use of this word in early pre-sectarian Buddhism, and in the Chan tradition and in Zen Buddhism. In the index of the Visuddi Magga, for example, there apparently are over twenty-five references to Samadhi.// / // That is, while everyone could culture Samadhi via systematic neuroplasticity methods, some may have a genetic head start -- the brain is already has some requisite pre-wiring. /However, the word Samadhi is not found in any of the 10 Upanishads commented on by Shankara Acharya. This is no small matter and cannot be passed over, for if, as you say, the attainment of Samadhi is central to the experiential verification of the traditional literature, one would expect the phrase to occur in the sacred texts of the Indians, right?/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Is the highlighted area below what you consider an anti-Semitic comment? It seems directed at a religion rather than a person; the comment above it is directed to a person, and the implication the person's beliefs, if that is what the person believes (the Torah), are false. You have picked a rather fine dividing line here, as virtually everything here is fair game. For example I consider the Torah an interesting group of writings but do not consider it to be much more than fiction. One can look at it from many perspectives, from a spiritual guide to a fictional account of a celestial mass murderer. Although the commandments for selling one's daughter into slavery are kind of interesting. jedi_spock does not seem to me to be picking out a race of people for this comment in general. The Torah is full of negativity like this anyway, ethnic cleansing, rape, mass slaughter and death at the will of a god, along with some more enlightened parts. If discussion of religion is fair game, you cannot single out one as more special than another. Antisemitism is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group. But there are anti-Hindus here, anti-Christians, anti-Everything almost, so the line drawn as to real abuse has to be even handed. MJ here has pretty much said as much against M and his supporters. You could say someone, who is a Jew, is an idiot, not because of what they are and are as a group but because intellectually they have made the mistake of believing something for which the evidence is extremely insufficient. Anti-Semitism is not a special case of anti-something that is in some loftier category requiring special treatment. Slander and insult is equal opportunity, something generally advisable to avoid. Lots of Jews do not even care about the Torah. You have to determine that jedi_spock is talking about the group as a whole or is taking on a particular person's delusions as an individual case. I can't even tell easily who is writing what in this post, as I normally do not follow discussions like this closely and Neo does not allow us to see how the threads under a particular topic are related. What does the person this post was directed at think of the post? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 9:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. --- jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote : In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. bummer You listen to me, you moron. Your bald headed charlatan, MMY dosen't believe in evolution. So, you think it's 'bummer'? Your Torah is a huge pile of shit. Pull your head out of this fraudulent religion and curse it. --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of feeling nothing. As a teen I experienced that the bottom fell out. Talk about panic! But I don't know nothing about feeling nothing. Can be? Terrifying. But I never got to the nothing part because I was fighting for my life! It was during a particularly harrowing confrontation during the Robin days and there was a man in the room who went into a kind of catatonic state and had been getting worse and worse over about two or three days of the seminar. Finally Robin couldn't stand it any more because he kept feeling this presence in the room (the demonic on some grand scale in this case, as he would have put it back then) so this really terrifying scenario unfolded, which I won't go into any detail about, but it is a good story. At one point during this dramatic event I felt this life-sucking, numbing paralytic type force trying to get into my body and brain and I instinctively knew I needed to keep it at bay at all costs. It was only through a supreme effort of will and grace that I was able to hold it off but I believe that that would have been the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Imagine if you'd attended a 1st lecture and Nabby and Willy were there saying, I'm a long time TMer! -- would you have started? Ugh, huh? Oh, maybe YOU would, but not meI'd judge the technique by the results. On 10/3/2014 1:02 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ha ha! If only they had been at my intro - would-a saved me a lot of foolishness. /You still have not retracted your statement accusing Nabby of being a Nazi Jew Killer. Why not?/ And even tho Nabby would never admit it, the Movement would NEVER allow him to be at any public PR about the Movement were they to know of his Benjy Creme proclivities. /The Nazis murdered over five million Jews and ISIS murders hundreds of Christians, Jews, and other minorities including women children - but your enemy is the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Go figure./
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
/Addressing the important issues:// // //According to Tom Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we must be relentless in stopping the spread of ebola in West Africa. After all, after all is said and done here, that is the only way to truly and completely protect the health security of America -- and the world. By January there could be millions of people infected with the virus. // Asking the important questions: // //Who is going to spend the money to keep this epidemic contained so that it doesn't turn into a pandemic? How much would it cost to invent a vaccine? How will military units on the ground have the discipline, the will and the resources to mobilize tomorrow, build treatment centers really fast and deliver the care and medicine needed?// Taking action: // //The U.S. has boots are on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan and now 3,600 troops are being sent into Liberia to help manage the crises. How many boots on the ground and how much money will it take to defeat ISIS and the Ebola?/ 'Pentagon Sending 600 More Military Personnel to Fight Ebola in Africa' http://tinyurl.com/ppx4xhj 'Ebola virus: Pandemic should be treated 'the same way' as threat posed by nuclear weapons, security officials say' The Independent: http://tinyurl.com/poc6r9j 'Five blunders US made in treating country's first Ebola patient' The Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/nhuek6c /For anyone paying attention, the long-brewing crisis hardly came out of nowhere./ 'We Screwed Up On Ebola, And Now The Crisis Is Getting Much Worse' https://finance.yahoo.com/news/screwed-ebola-response-result-cost-073019431.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Let Us Gird on our Spiritual Armor and Fight!
Transmission was fine, reception garbled.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 6:36 AM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
Allahu akbar! Jai guru dev, every body!
On 10/3/2014 5:51 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
If that's your favorite line from Charlie Chaplin's Great Dictator Speech,
someone must have sold you a bootleg.
Sometimes it's difficult for respondents to convey their sense of humor or a
sense of irony, Dan. Go figure.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/3/2014 1:29 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Is the highlighted area below what you consider an anti-Semitic comment? It seems directed at a religion rather than a person; the comment above it is directed to a person, and the implication the person's beliefs, if that is what the person believes (the Torah), are false. /The greater offense is that the remark was directed to an individual, not a group. Mr. Friedman already identified himself as of the Jewish faith. Nobody here seems to care about bashing whole groups of people of any faith or belief - it's the personal insult that should be the offense. That is supposed to be against the rules on FFL./ FFL Guidelines: 1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. You have picked a rather fine dividing line here, as virtually everything here is fair game. For example I consider the Torah an interesting group of writings but do not consider it to be much more than fiction. One can look at it from many perspectives, from a spiritual guide to a fictional account of a celestial mass murderer. Although the commandments for selling one's daughter into slavery are kind of interesting. jedi_spock does not seem to me to be picking out a race of people for this comment in general. The Torah is full of negativity like this anyway, ethnic cleansing, rape, mass slaughter and death at the will of a god, along with some more enlightened parts. If discussion of religion is fair game, you cannot single out one as more special than another. 1. Antisemitism is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group. But there are anti-Hindus here, anti-Christians, anti-Everything almost, so the line drawn as to real abuse has to be even handed. MJ here has pretty much said as much against M and his supporters. You could say someone, who is a Jew, is an idiot, not because of what they are and are as a group but because intellectually they have made the mistake of believing something for which the evidence is extremely insufficient. Anti-Semitism is not a special case of anti-something that is in some loftier category requiring special treatment. Slander and insult is equal opportunity, something generally advisable to avoid. Lots of Jews do not even care about the Torah. You have to determine that jedi_spock is talking about the group as a whole or is taking on a particular person's delusions as an individual case. I can't even tell easily who is writing what in this post, as I normally do not follow discussions like this closely and Neo does not allow us to see how the threads under a particular topic are related. What does the person this post was directed at think of the post? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
Maharishi suggested that the question where does the 'enlightened man' go when he dies? is simply a misunderstanding. Once Self is realized, there is no going. Unity is where this situation is directly perceived, but even for someone in CC, the question no longer makes sense, as you suggest. Also, while the research papers don't make it clear, I'm told that people who report witnessing sleep also report Witnessing during anesthesia as well. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 10:12 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. Some more minor comments: According to MMY, the Self is eternal and transcendental to time and space; the self lives inside time and space and the senses. The individual self is an appearance only - a product of the senses. If appearances derived through one sensory channel appear contradictory, it is natural to appeal to other senses for corroboration. The question is, how do we decide between conflicting senses? The transcendentalists who arranged the Upanishads agree that we must transcend the world of sense perception in order to know and understand the world of perception. They all agreed that the indescribable material world is of a self-contradictory nature and that if you want to remove the contradictions you have to transcend the world. Otherwise, a person is just using common sense: thinking that the world of objects is the only existence, that there is nothing beyond or transcendental to the senses. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi@... mailto:martyboi@... wrote : I'm not sure what CC is, but if it includes witnessing sleep I don't think any physiological state could stop it. I think it should continue under anesthesia or even drunkenness. Should continue, even when the body drops too.
[FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.fried...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
In order for perception to be perception, there must be a physical nervous system. Even for universal consciousness to be aware of things (even of Itself), there must be structure --some kind of physiology, even if it is made of Universal Consciousness with no defining characteristics besides being Universal Consciousness. Recall though, that Maharishi's words were that wholeness of life comes to be appreciated when the nervous system takes on a certain form (from memory). The wholeness of life (brahm) exists whether we appreciate it or not. Our appreciation of this wholeness without duality is _samadhi_ and _samadhi_ can occur *because* our nervous system has taken on a certain form (supporting PC or CC or GC or UC, depending). L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Mac said: Just as it says in the Gita, about pure consciousness being unable to be influenced or destroyed, yes, the witness of pure awareness, continues, through any permutation of awareness the mind is in - sleep, dreaming, intoxicated, awake BINGO!!! Yes, it is our eternal self, that lives beyond time and space. What is the role of the brain in Samadhi and higher states? Sparaig recently quoted MMY: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. … Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. This implies or opens the door to a model that Samadhi and higher states are achieved via neuroplasticity of the brain -- culturing and refining it in ways as to enable Samadhi, eventually on permanent basis. That is, the brain is optimized via new neural connections, long-term potentiation (persistent increase in synaptic strength following high-frequency stimulation of a chemical synapse) across existing neural pathways, changes in activation potential of long cascades of neurons, modification of mix, availability and persistence of neurotransmitters (NT), changes in NT receptors, etc. Which is a fascinating prospect. And might imply a genetic propensity towards Samadhi in some populations or families relative to others. That is, while everyone could culture Samadhi via systematic neuroplasticity methods, some may have a genetic head start -- the brain is already has some requisite pre-wiring. However, if Samadhi is brain dependent, then established Samadhi would not be sustained upon death of the body. And may not persevere with large changes to brain chemistry or structural changes from accidents or disease such as Alzheimers. And cessation of Samadhi at death would be inconsistent with significant portions of traditional literature, which in turn would then tend to place all statements in traditional literature in question. On the other hand, if Samadhi is not brain dependent, then what are physiological / brain research on meditation / yoga measuring? And why would the body or brain matter in modalities to culture Samadhi? These questions keep me awake at night.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule
Having a conversation about TM right now with a friend in Brazil. The point I made to him seems relevant. TM has two ways of affecting people (hopefully for the good): 1) rest during TM may make some condition better; 2) the growing stability of the relaxed EEG trait outside of TM may tend to slow the progression of some problem. If a person's problems aren't affected in any way by the above, then there's no obvious way that TM would help their specific problem, personality or physical. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : You make good points, although TM folks haven’t been persecuted the way Jews have, so anti-semitism is a touchier issue, as racism would be too. As with all such things, there’s no clear-cut demarkation. No absolute right or wrong. Hard to judge wisely, especially with my drive-by style of moderating. But again to your point, imagine a White Supremacist were in here spewing outrageous nastiness on a regular basis. I think most all would agree that he should be banned. So it’s a matter of degree, and when someone moves a bit too far in that direction, in my opinion, he should be warned and if he ignores the warning, banned. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick: about your rule H, Rick -- not sure but seems to me there's been plenty of anti-religion to go around -- not just against the Jews. If someone says TM is of the devil etc. with ALL CAPS etcwill you give equal warnings? Free speech allows the negativity addicts to expose themselves for what they are, see? Don't get me wrongly -- I'd toss out about half of the folks posting here regularly for their vile trolling and personal attacks. But that's just me as if it were Edg's Party. If you were throwing an actual real world party and these folks showed up, I'd never come to one of your parties again. But now that they're here, lemonade can be made by pointing out that these broken psyches were never helped by TM -- a strong warning to any who are being sucked into the promised-heavens. Imagine if you'd attended a 1st lecture and Nabby and Willy were there saying, I'm a long time TMer! -- would you have started? Ugh, huh? Oh, maybe YOU would, but not meI'd judge the technique by the results. Of course, if your party were the ideal conversation pit with everyone being civil, informed, logical -- I wouldn't be allowed, because I love to scream. Sigh..
[FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
[FairfieldLife] David Lynch: BULL****!!!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Happiest school in San Francisco
They should try this program in schools in Oakland, CA too. They definitely need to improve school performance and crime prevention over there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From:Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.fried...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
I'll be the first to admit that I don't read that many posts on FFL, but
rampant anti-Semitism?
On Friday, October 3, 2014 1:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Bravo Rick! Well done.
From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate
the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi
spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman
[mailto:danielfriedman.fried...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM
To: Rick Archer
Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick
Archer,I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at
the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator.Instead of opening a
Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's
Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain
control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife
Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And
while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I
feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting
discriminatory behavior.Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire
congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no
longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal
Notice.Daniel Friedmancopies
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Bravo Rick! Well done.
From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate
the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi
spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman
[mailto:danielfriedman.fried...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM
To: Rick Archer
Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick
Archer,I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at
the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator.Instead of opening a
Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's
Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain
control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife
Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And
while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I
feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting
discriminatory behavior.Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire
congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no
longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal
Notice.Daniel Friedmancopies
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Look back and you will see you are incorrect, either way, his mouth and arrogance got him booted. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From:Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.fried...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
Careful Mike, lest you be accused of being low by Archangel Share. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I'll be the first to admit that I don't read that many posts on FFL, but rampant anti-Semitism? On Friday, October 3, 2014 1:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From:Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.fried...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
There are two serious problems with Jews pleading for special protection against attacks on their religion: 1) those of us who are not Jews and have long-since adjusted to seeing our own attitudes and beliefs ridiculed by all and sundry get the message that THE JEWS AREN'T LIKE US. So Jewish sensitivities only exacerbate the issue rather than allowing us to put the whole thing behind us back in the Dark Ages where it belongs and getting on with creating a society where everyone is regarded as an individual to be judged on what he/she does and says; and . . . 2) once you allow Jews to claim that privileged position then other groups want a piece of the action. At the moment it's Muslims who are trying to get anti-Islamic hate laws in place (Islamophobia = anti-Semitism). If they succeed then expect Scientologists to follow their lead. By the way: the Anti-Defamation League has a nasty reputation for trampling on free speech. Take a walk through Google and you'll come across some troubling cases. Poor David Icke (yes, I know he's a fruitcake) had a hard time from ADL a while back on a book tour. The ADL activists came across as self-righteous prigs. Take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ypYcZ7qfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ypYcZ7qfw
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Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 09/27/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 10/04/14 00:00:00 877 messages as of (UTC) 10/03/14 22:13:13 166 danfriedman2002 133 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 70 Share Long sharelong60 60 awoelflebater 53 salyavin808 47 steve.sundur 42 Michael Jackson mjackson74 41 fleetwood_macncheese 36 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 33 Bhairitu noozguru 24 jr_esq 22 dhamiltony2k5 21 jedi_spock 20 curtisdeltablues 18 LEnglish5 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius 10 'Rick Archer' rick 9 nablusoss1008 9 Duveyoung 8 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569 7 seerdope 6 emptybill 4 srijau 3 inmadison 3 anartaxius 3 Dick Mays dickmays 2 email4you mikemail4you 1 yifuxero 1 ultrarishi 1 s3raphita 1 punditster 1 martyboi 1 mail_uzer 1 laughinggull108 1 john_youells 1 cardemaister 1 William Leed WLeed3 1 FairfieldLife Posters: 38 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!
New Horizons just crossed the orbit of Neptune. It then will go into hibernation for 99 days. The photo is a painting or a digital painting, an artist's rendition of what they think it will be like. Right now Neptune is imaged as just a few pixels, Pluto is just a single pixel. It's still 284 days away from closest approach. The colour of Pluto and some of its surface variations have been photographed by Hubble but the image is very blurry to say the most even with extensive computer processing. We have no idea yet what its surface features are like in any detail. Here is the Hubble image, currently the best we have until New Horizons passes Pluto about the middle of next year: http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2010/02/image.jpg View on scienceblogs.com Preview by Yahoo This Hubble image of Pluto is technically equivalent to photographing an air gun BB from a distance of 9.4km, or an American quarter dollar coin from 51km. New Horizons will have to get pretty close to Pluto before it can image it better than this Hubble image. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones. I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others. It's tropical astrology that wants not only to use Pluto but asteroids as well. That makes even less sense, nobody knows exactly what is out there so if you think a horoscope makes sense and then someone discovers something else you can't have been right in the first place. But I guess the ice people of Plutoria must want a vote on this. ;-) It must be up to our solar system brothers. Looks like we'll be doing a flyby real soon. That cool photo was taken by NASA's New Horizons probe, which is well on it's way. Travelling at one million miles a day it still has 8 months before closest approach! I look forward to that muchly: NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto | Alternative NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto | Alt... One of the fastest spacecraft ever built, NASA´s New Horizons, is hurtling through the void at nearly one million miles per day. Launched in 2006, it has been in fl... View on beforeitsnews.com Preview by Yahoo On 10/02/2014 07:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Must be a frustrating time to be an astrologer, they just get used to pretending they have some sort of psychological and predictive use for poor old Pluto - after all those centuries not knowing about it - when the astronomical world decide it was never a planet at all! But now it's back so we can start taking note of the effects it's having on us again. Is Pluto about to be reinstated as a planet?
[FairfieldLife] The return of Twin Peaks?
Rumors abound. And BTW, Sherilyn Fenn doesn't look like that anymore. http://www.cnet.com/news/twin-peaks-returning-show-creators-hint-online/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/3/2014 4:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. /So we're on this Yahoo spiritual discussion group and a Jewish gets offended by what a Buddhist guy says about his religion; so the Jewish guy falsely accuses the Buddhist guy of being an anti-semite; so the Hindu moderator guy threatens the Buddhist guy to keep his mouth shut or he will be banned from the discussion; so the Jewish guy threatens the Hindu moderator guy and files a report with the Jewish Defense League guys; and so the Hindu moderator guy gets upset, and in retaliation bans the Jewish guy AND the Buddhist guy from the discussion; about the the time the sun goes down in New York City; on Yom Kippur, the holiest days on the Jewish calendar. / Did I get this right? Yom Kippur, Holiest Day On Jewish Calendar, Begins At Sundown: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/ Bravo Rick! Well done.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
On 10/3/2014 4:09 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'll be the first to admit that I don't read that many posts on FFL, but rampant anti-Semitism? /When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism./ - Martin Luther King On Friday, October 3, 2014 1:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. *From:* 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. *From:*Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.fried...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM *To:* Rick Archer *Subject:* Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
Let it go reminds me of this PSA which gets played far too often on local radio: http://www.hulkshare.com/shloimynotik/meditation-mom-60-mix On 10/02/2014 05:00 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry, Barry, Barry, did anyone say you had to meditate to have experiences of higher states of consciousnesses. Let it go Barry. Time to let it go. You've got to expand your world past Maharishi, and the TM organization. It's a big world Barry. Lot's of things to see and explore. The TM movement is just on little bit of it. Exppd those horizons a bit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year. And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. Their subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms of sleep deprivation. When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple of dozen people who report this. All of them are just normal people off the street. Not one of them meditates. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
I am astonished that anyone would take this nonsense by George Hammond seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : This was sent to me by a friend. I’m not “in the loop” on any of this. Just passing it along. Jerry Jarvis sent this to John Hagelin the day before John posted his thing (Sunday), along with a cover note asking John to consider it and then to call Jerry. John responded, and told Jerry he'd consider it. But he never called Jerry to discuss before he sent out his message on Monday to the Certified Govs. Compare the two documents. Jerry's point is to show people the info and let them decide for themselves. From: George Hammond Sent: Sep 21, 2014 11:25 AM To: Subject: The Concerns Expressed to You Dear Jerry, In light of the concern some of your friends are kindly expressing on your behalf, I'd like to emphasize a few things we've already discussed: 1) The Explanations Maharishi wants me to convey are designed to dispel the fears many of his teachers have developed. These are not in any way designed to make any organizational change in the TM Movement or its leadership. They are also not in any way designed to give instructions to any individual. No one is being asked to listen and follow or anything of the kind. Each individual may hear, or not hear, these Explanations, and may do, or not do, in his or her own life whatever he or she thinks is appropriate afterwards. Maharishi is not interested in making anyone else's decisions for him. But he is very interested in sharing these Explanations because he is convinced they will dispel the unnecessary fears his beloved teachers are experiencing. 2) One reason Maharishi has taken the unorthodox approach of conversing with me like this, which he fully admits he strongly downplayed when he was physically alive, is that there is no other way to reach his teachers while they are still alive. And he is concerned, if they die afraid, that that might spoil their attraction to meditation and to improving their consciousness for some time to come, which is a tragedy he wants to avoid. That is his main motive for making an exception to his general rule about sticking to normal modes of communication. 3) That said, unlike how some people are representing this, Maharishi is not being channeled. I did not speak with his ghost. I was neither dreaming nor having a vision. I had a normal conversation with Maharishi. I was wide awake at the time the original conversation started and I stayed wide awake during the entire time. This has been true of all our conversations since the original conversation as well. None has occurred during my dreams and none can even remotely be characterized as either visionary or channeling. It is simply that the mind we knew well as Maharishi is of course not dead. And he is still just as recognizably unique a personality as he was during his life from 1918-2008. I do not claim that I spent anywhere near as much time with Maharishi as probably thousands of others did. But I did spend time with him, and I know him well, and I am confident no other being could fool me into believing that being was Maharishi. The feel of Maharishi's mind is so unique that it would take extremely subtle acting ability on the part of any being to pull off even a half-convincing impersonation. As just one example, Maharishi's unusual sense ofhumor would be very hard to duplicate and his humor has had ample opportunity to be expressed throughout our conversations. 4) As you know, several attempts were made to contact the TM Movement's leadership starting soon after the original conversation with Maharishi on January 2nd. At that time, Maharishi did want those leaders to organize the presentation in the Dome on February 2nd. When that proved not feasible, another option was proposed for July. But Maharishi's requirement that his Explanations be given only once and recorded and not given again, for the obvious reason that more than one version would produce endless nitpicking, was found to be too high a hurdle for the TM Movement's leadership to approve the use of the Dome, for the also obvious reason that whatever would be said in the Dome would most likely be construed as authorized. Given the competing reasonable positions, Maharishi proposed a solution that retained his one-time only requirement without asking his TM Movement's leadership to take such a leap without knowing the content. That solution was to have the presentation at a neutral site and the TM Movement's leadership could determine after the fact whether Maharishi's Explanations were of any value or not. That is why no one is expecting the TM Movement's leadership to attend the 30th November presentation, or is claiming that they will. 5) This one-time only requirement should also make it clear that since the Explanations
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's On Your Mind?
/...there are a million people in isolation, in quarantine, because of Ebola, and ten thousand passengers leave West Africa every single day. It's just a matter of time before this disease is carried to every corner of the world./ CBS Philly: http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/missouri-doctor-its-just-a-matter-of-time-before-ebola-is-carried-to-every-corner-of-the-world/ /Addressing the important issues:// // //According to Tom Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we must be relentless in stopping the spread of ebola in West Africa. After all, after all is said and done here, that is the only way to truly and completely protect the health security of America -- and the world. By January there could be millions of people infected with the virus. // Asking the important questions: // //Who is going to spend the money to keep this epidemic contained so that it doesn't turn into a pandemic? How much would it cost to invent a vaccine? How will military units on the ground have the discipline, the will and the resources to mobilize tomorrow, build treatment centers really fast and deliver the care and medicine needed?// Taking action: // //The U.S. has boots are on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan and now 3,600 troops are being sent into Liberia to help manage the crises. How many boots on the ground and how much money will it take to defeat ISIS and the Ebola?/ 'Pentagon Sending 600 More Military Personnel to Fight Ebola in Africa' http://tinyurl.com/ppx4xhj 'Ebola virus: Pandemic should be treated 'the same way' as threat posed by nuclear weapons, security officials say' The Independent: http://tinyurl.com/poc6r9j 'Five blunders US made in treating country's first Ebola patient' The Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/nhuek6c /For anyone paying attention, the long-brewing crisis hardly came out of nowhere./ 'We Screwed Up On Ebola, And Now The Crisis Is Getting Much Worse' https://finance.yahoo.com/news/screwed-ebola-response-result-cost-073019431.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
If mouth and arrogance is enough to get someone booted from this group, how come you are still here? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Look back and you will see you are incorrect, either way, his mouth and arrogance got him booted. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
On 10/3/2014 9:02 PM, feste37 wrote: I am astonished that anyone would take this nonsense by George Hammond seriously. /One of the FFL lurking reporters got real excited when he read about George Hammond - one informant has been dispatched to send us a report./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : This was sent to me by a friend. I’m not “in the loop” on any of this. Just passing it along. Jerry Jarvis sent this to John Hagelin the day before John posted his thing (Sunday), along with a cover note asking John to consider it and then to call Jerry. John responded, and told Jerry he'd consider it. But he never called Jerry to discuss before he sent out his message on Monday to the Certified Govs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
This is hilarious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : So we're on this Yahoo spiritual discussion group and a Jewish gets offended by what a Buddhist guy says about his religion; so the Jewish guy falsely accuses the Buddhist guy of being an anti-semite; so the Hindu moderator guy threatens the Buddhist guy to keep his mouth shut or he will be banned from the discussion; so the Jewish guy threatens the Hindu moderator guy and files a report with the Jewish Defense League guys; and so the Hindu moderator guy gets upset, and in retaliation bans the Jewish guy AND the Buddhist guy from the discussion; about the the time the sun goes down in New York City; on Yom Kippur, the holiest days on the Jewish calendar. Did I get this right? Yom Kippur, Holiest Day On Jewish Calendar, Begins At Sundown: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/ Bravo Rick! Well done.
[FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL
No get off it, not just Jews but meditators too are victims of hate persecution here too. I was feeling to turn FFL over to the Southern Poverty Law Center over the hate-speech which meditators are experiencing from a few people posting here. Om, so evidently FFL being a yahoo-group privately owned and operated exclusively by Rick and seeing as Rick won't give me the keys to the place, it would seem that in procedure if I threatened to bring the full heat of the Southern Poverty Law Center on to the FFL yahoo group with a formal complaint about the vile hateful defamation of meditators that MJ methodically heaps in regularly puking out here then that complaint could get both of us kicked off FFL by precedent.MJ is such a pernicious hateful extreme defamer of all that is good with TM I should be doing all of humanity a large favor getting him removed from FFL that way, as Rick won't give me the keys to this place otherwise. -Buck in the Dome The Southern Poverty Law Center: The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. http://www.splcenter.org/ http://www.splcenter.org/ The Southern Poverty Law Center monitors hate groups and other extremists throughout the United States and exposes their activities to law enforcement agencies, the media and the public. Fighting Hateful Extremism: http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism Hatewatch: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/ http://www.splcenter.org/blog/ Teaching Tolerance: Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance We know we won’t achieve equality and justice through the courts and investigative reporting alone. The future of our great country lies in the hands of t... View on www.splcenter.org http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance Preview by Yahoo s3raphita@... writes : There are two serious problems with Jews pleading for special protection against attacks on their religion: 1) those of us who are not Jews and have long-since adjusted to seeing our own attitudes and beliefs ridiculed by all and sundry get the message that THE JEWS AREN'T LIKE US. So Jewish sensitivities only exacerbate the issue rather than allowing us to put the whole thing behind us back in the Dark Ages where it belongs and getting on with creating a society where everyone is regarded as an individual to be judged on what he/she does and says; and . . . 2) once you allow Jews to claim that privileged position then other groups want a piece of the action. At the moment it's Muslims who are trying to get anti-Islamic hate laws in place (Islamophobia = anti-Semitism). If they succeed then expect Scientologists to follow their lead. By the way: the Anti-Defamation League has a nasty reputation for trampling on free speech. Take a walk through Google and you'll come across some troubling cases. Poor David Icke (yes, I know he's a fruitcake) had a hard time from ADL a while back on a book tour. The ADL activists came across as self-righteous prigs. Take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ypYcZ7qfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ypYcZ7qfw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL
Southern Poverty Law Center... hating hate.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 7:16 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Noget off it, not just Jews but meditators too are victims of
hatepersecution here too. I was feeling to turn FFL over to theSouthern Poverty
Law Center over the hate-speech which meditators areexperiencing from a few
people posting here. Om,so evidently FFL being a yahoo-group privately owned
and operated exclusively byRick and seeing as Rick won't give me the keys to
the place, itwould seem that in procedure if I threatened to bring the full
heatof the Southern Poverty Law Center on to the FFL yahoo group with aformal
complaint about the vile hateful defamation of meditators thatMJ methodically
heaps in regularly puking out here then that complaintcould get both of us
kicked off FFL by precedent. MJ is such apernicious hateful extreme defamer
of all that is good with TM Ishould be doing all of humanity a large favor
getting him removedfrom FFL that way, as Rick won't give me the keys to this
placeotherwise.
-Buckin the Dome
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extremiststhroughout the United States and exposes their activities to
lawenforcement agencies, the media and the public.FightingHateful Extremism:
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s3raphita@... writes :
There are two serious problems with Jews pleading for special protection
against attacks on their religion:1) those of us who are not Jews and have
long-since adjusted to seeing our own attitudes and beliefs ridiculed by all
and sundry get the message that THE JEWS AREN'T LIKE US. So Jewish
sensitivities only exacerbate the issue rather than allowing us to put the
whole thing behind us back in the Dark Ages where it belongs and getting on
with creating a society where everyone is regarded as an individual to be
judged on what he/she does and says; and . . .2) once you allow Jews to claim
that privileged position then other groups want a piece of the action. At the
moment it's Muslims who are trying to get anti-Islamic hate laws in place
(Islamophobia = anti-Semitism). If they succeed then expect Scientologists to
follow their lead.
By the way: the Anti-Defamation League has a nasty reputation for trampling on
free speech. Take a walk through Google and you'll come across some troubling
cases. Poor David Icke (yes, I know he's a fruitcake) had a hard time from ADL
a while back on a book tour. The ADL activists came across as self-righteous
prigs. Take a look here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ypYcZ7qfw
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was before they got kicked out of two or three schools in SF - I have been in touch recently with the lady who spearheaded the effort to get them booted - she shared with me some of the Movement's skullduggery on all fronts there - maybe I'll share it when I get time one day. I gotta tell ya MJ. You put so much energy into chasing down and trying to destroy something that at best is positive and at worst benign that it just, simply, floors me. There is so much evil in the world, so much that requires the attention of people who give a damn and you pick what, a meditation technique? For chrissakes man, get a grip. You sound positively gloating and proud. Guess what - you're wasting your time and going after something that doesn't have near the insidious nature you IMAGINE it has. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Many people like to bash TM, and want to prevent its use anywhere for any reason. And yet... This opinion piece came out in January of this year: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Meditation-transforms-roughest-San-Francisco-5136942.php Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools The company whose data is cited proudly talks about it: http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ http://www.wested.org/using-data-to-find-the-happiest-school-in-san-francisco/ When certain people claim that any ole meditation can do the same, and probably better, and then work to make sure that TM can't be used in any public school, one has to wonder about them, just a tad... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. Actually, Dan has not been courteous to MJ but it doesn't matter one way or another. Dan is pro TM and MJ is con. End of story. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If mouth and arrogance is enough to get someone booted from this group, how come you are still here? Why are 3/4 of the posters still here? If only boring asshole was considered as odious as a supposed anti-Semite we would be fwee of bawee right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Look back and you will see you are incorrect, either way, his mouth and arrogance got him booted. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
That reminds me of what King Solomon would have done. Life goes on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/3/2014 4:08 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. So we're on this Yahoo spiritual discussion group and a Jewish gets offended by what a Buddhist guy says about his religion; so the Jewish guy falsely accuses the Buddhist guy of being an anti-semite; so the Hindu moderator guy threatens the Buddhist guy to keep his mouth shut or he will be banned from the discussion; so the Jewish guy threatens the Hindu moderator guy and files a report with the Jewish Defense League guys; and so the Hindu moderator guy gets upset, and in retaliation bans the Jewish guy AND the Buddhist guy from the discussion; about the the time the sun goes down in New York City; on Yom Kippur, the holiest days on the Jewish calendar. Did I get this right? Did you buy that lottery ticket yet, Ricky? Yom Kippur, Holiest Day On Jewish Calendar, Begins At Sundown: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/yom-kippur-holiest-day-on-jewish-calendar-begins-at-sundown/ Bravo Rick! Well done.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Preview by Yahoo I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide. All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith. You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide. All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith.
[FairfieldLife] Coup d'Etat in North Korea?
It appears that the young dictator is in a power struggle with his older generals. Can he win? http://www.ibtimes.com/north-korea-lockdown-pyongyang-reportedly-closed-amid-possible-kim-jong-un-coup-attempt-1698980 http://www.ibtimes.com/north-korea-lockdown-pyongyang-reportedly-closed-amid-possible-kim-jong-un-coup-attempt-1698980
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Jerry Jarvis does. How you gone process that? From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 10:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday I am astonished that anyone would take this nonsense by George Hammond seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : This was sent to me by a friend. I’m not “in the loop” on any of this. Just passing it along. Jerry Jarvis sent this to John Hagelin the day before John posted his thing (Sunday), along with a cover note asking John to consider it and then to call Jerry. John responded, and told Jerry he'd consider it. But he never called Jerry to discuss before he sent out his message on Monday to the Certified Govs. Compare the two documents. Jerry's point is to show people the info and let them decide for themselves. From: George Hammond Sent: Sep 21, 2014 11:25 AM To: Subject: The Concerns Expressed to You Dear Jerry, In light of the concern some of your friends are kindly expressing on your behalf, I'd like to emphasize a few things we've already discussed: 1) The Explanations Maharishi wants me to convey are designed to dispel the fears many of his teachers have developed. These are not in any way designed to make any organizational change in the TM Movement or its leadership. They are also not in any way designed to give instructions to any individual. No one is being asked to listen and follow or anything of the kind. Each individual may hear, or not hear, these Explanations, and may do, or not do, in his or her own life whatever he or she thinks is appropriate afterwards. Maharishi is not interested in making anyone else's decisions for him. But he is very interested in sharing these Explanations because he is convinced they will dispel the unnecessary fears his beloved teachers are experiencing. 2) One reason Maharishi has taken the unorthodox approach of conversing with me like this, which he fully admits he strongly downplayed when he was physically alive, is that there is no other way to reach his teachers while they are still alive. And he is concerned, if they die afraid, that that might spoil their attraction to meditation and to improving their consciousness for some time to come, which is a tragedy he wants to avoid. That is his main motive for making an exception to his general rule about sticking to normal modes of communication. 3) That said, unlike how some people are representing this, Maharishi is not being channeled. I did not speak with his ghost. I was neither dreaming nor having a vision. I had a normal conversation with Maharishi. I was wide awake at the time the original conversation started and I stayed wide awake during the entire time. This has been true of all our conversations since the original conversation as well. None has occurred during my dreams and none can even remotely be characterized as either visionary or channeling. It is simply that the mind we knew well as Maharishi is of course not dead. And he is still just as recognizably unique a personality as he was during his life from 1918-2008. I do not claim that I spent anywhere near as much time with Maharishi as probably thousands of others did. But I did spend time with him, and I know him well, and I am confident no other being could fool me into believing that being was Maharishi. The feel of Maharishi's mind is so unique that it would take extremely subtle acting ability on the part of any being to pull off even a half-convincing impersonation. As just one example, Maharishi's unusual sense ofhumor would be very hard to duplicate and his humor has had ample opportunity to be expressed throughout our conversations. 4) As you know, several attempts were made to contact the TM Movement's leadership starting soon after the original conversation with Maharishi on January 2nd. At that time, Maharishi did want those leaders to organize the presentation in the Dome on February 2nd. When that proved not feasible, another option was proposed for July. But Maharishi's requirement that his Explanations be given only once and recorded and not given again, for the obvious reason that more than one version would produce endless nitpicking, was found to be too high a hurdle for the TM Movement's leadership to approve the use of the Dome, for the also obvious reason that whatever would be said in the Dome would most likely be construed as authorized. Given the competing reasonable positions, Maharishi proposed a solution that retained his one-time only requirement without asking his TM Movement's leadership to take such a leap without knowing the content. That solution was to have the presentation at a neutral site and the TM Movement's leadership could determine after the fact whether Maharishi's Explanations were of any
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
I don't make anti-Semitic remarks and I tell the truth about Marshy your fake greedy guru and his fraud committing Movement. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi If mouth and arrogance is enough to get someone booted from this group, how come you are still here? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Look back and you will see you are incorrect, either way, his mouth and arrogance got him booted. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From:Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL
As meditators of the TM persuasion are, at least in their minds, marshalling the support of all the laws of nature, persecution should not be much more than batting away slightly annoying gnats. However real persecution requires a bit more machinery than a single individual can really bring to bear on a forum. I meditate, and yet I am still capable of dumb and stupid things (even though it's exactly what is required in the larger scheme of things), and meditators often display, with their mouths, a higher sense of purpose than they can actually muster in fact. We are all ordinary people, attempting to ameliorate some persistent delusions. At least that is what I hope. And hope is one of those persistent delusions, anticipating that what one wants to happen in the wider theatre of life is in fact what will actually happen — but what usually happens is always a bit off from that when we are lucky. To call someone a hater means that somewhere in the the mind one is becoming a reflection of that same concept, that one is reacting as if one is a mirror of what one wants to eliminate, whereas what one needs to be is an empty portal through which hate can pass without leaving a mark or a reflection. That does not mean that some kind of action against an individual or a group cannot be initiated, for sometimes to avoid being destroyed, one must do likewise and destroy, but how you will pay for that as internal strife in the mind or not depends on how much you can be that empty portal. A victim mentality does not get one a free pass in life, it just means you get stepped on and that you somehow think you are privileged in making a complaint. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL No get off it, not just Jews but meditators too are victims of hate persecution here too. I was feeling to turn FFL over to the Southern Poverty Law Center over the hate-speech which meditators are experiencing from a few people posting here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
Cosmic consciousness (à la Maharishi) is not that complicated. It is an optimised duality. One experiences oneself as silent awareness, and everything else is walled off from the silence. Kinda feels like being underwater looking up at the world through the surface of the water. Other than than that sense of separation, nothing is different from waking. Ego is intact, but it's no longer you, but it's still a son-of-a-bastard and the mind is still essentially in a state of delusion. As it seems like a silent witness to activity, it is silent in that it can do nothing else. That split personality of experience fortunately eventually goes away and the two sides of the equation eventually shake hands and merge and cosmic consciousness is no more, being replaced with something much harder to communicate because when the two sides of the dualistic experience come together, there is no contrast between them, no way to distinguish them one from the other, except as an intellectual fiction. If you experience deep silence in meditation, and especially if you go on retreats and get some sustained silence, you can kind of imagine what cosmic consciousness is like, but you cannot imagine what full unity is like on this basis because the absence of separation leaves no way for anything to witness what it is. It is a whole without a second. You can have it, but you cannot actually describe it in any really meaningful way. But all these states are waking states and awareness is really always the same in all of them; it is just our understanding is dumbed down until a clear realisation of what the situation is. Then the 'highest' of the waking states is seen to be identical with the 'lowest', and the difference was just our imagination. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail Just as it says in the Gita, about pure consciousness being unable to be influenced or destroyed, yes, the witness of pure awareness, continues, through any permutation of awareness the mind is in - sleep, dreaming, intoxicated, awake. These states of awareness are due to the gross functioning of the body, in response to its needs. Barry, who seems perpetually confused, equates waking state with Cosmic Consciousness, and is dead wrong, as usual. Just as love unites, and creates perfection, simply by its nature, so does Cosmic Consciousness, uniting everything within the universal awareness. Trying to sense CC, or imagine what it is like, as Barry has done, will never lead to knowledge or understanding of that state of Cosmic Consciousness. Living it is the only way to know what is going on, and be able to explain it clearly. Otherwise, it is the imposition of imagination, on waking state consciousness, and that just leads to delusion, as should be obvious by the strange assumptions and speculations being made. Thinking you know something doesn't make it so.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
According to Bob Brigante, Charles Lutes had previously studied the occult under Manly P. Hall and he was a member of the Rosicrucian Fellowship. Apparently Lutes was reluctant to give it up which was one of the reasons why Lutes was not on the MUM board of trustees. Probably not the most important correction every made on FFL by a long shot, but I remember Charlie Lutes being on the MIU Board of Trustees in the mid to late seventies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL
well when you take the fact that Mahesh Prasad said the mantras were names of gods in his first book, Meditations of maharishi mahesh yogi, and repeated it ad infinitum in the early years of the Movement, then claimed they were meaningless sounds made a tape that he sold to initiators only claiming that we exist to provide soma for the gods and they give us boons to get that soma soup, then took the tape back and threatened to excommunicate the ones who didn't send it back and pretended he never told people anything that bizarre or absurd. Made promises and broke them regularly (like canceling ATR credit for teachers) told everyone he was a life long celibate and screwed as many women as he could took money under false pretenses for decades, made grander and grander promises none of which were ever fulfilled (people will get enlightened, people will fly, turn invisible,) TMSP is 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, no negative side effects from TM and TMSP and on and on, what kind of things do you expect me and other clear thinking individuals to say about someone who obviously was a liar, sexual opportunist if not abuser and flimflam man and con artist? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 10:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL No get off it, not just Jews but meditators too are victims of hate persecution here too. I was feeling to turn FFL over to the Southern Poverty Law Center over the hate-speech which meditators are experiencing from a few people posting here. Om, so evidently FFL being a yahoo-group privately owned and operated exclusively by Rick and seeing as Rick won't give me the keys to the place, it would seem that in procedure if I threatened to bring the full heat of the Southern Poverty Law Center on to the FFL yahoo group with a formal complaint about the vile hateful defamation of meditators that MJ methodically heaps in regularly puking out here then that complaint could get both of us kicked off FFL by precedent.MJ is such a pernicious hateful extreme defamer of all that is good with TM I should be doing all of humanity a large favor getting him removed from FFL that way, as Rick won't give me the keys to this place otherwise. -Buck in the Dome The Southern Poverty Law Center: The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society.http://www.splcenter.org/ The Southern Poverty Law Center monitors hate groups and other extremists throughout the United States and exposes their activities to law enforcement agencies, the media and the public. Fighting Hateful Extremism: http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism Hatewatch: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/ Teaching Tolerance: Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center We know we won’t achieve equality and justice through the courts and investigative reporting alone. The future of our great country lies in the hands of t... View on www.splcenter.org Preview by Yahoo s3raphita@... writes : There are two serious problems with Jews pleading for special protection against attacks on their religion: 1) those of us who are not Jews and have long-since adjusted to seeing our own attitudes and beliefs ridiculed by all and sundry get the message that THE JEWS AREN'T LIKE US. So Jewish sensitivities only exacerbate the issue rather than allowing us to put the whole thing behind us back in the Dark Ages where it belongs and getting on with creating a society where everyone is regarded as an individual to be judged on what he/she does and says; and . . . 2) once you allow Jews to claim that privileged position then other groups want a piece of the action. At the moment it's Muslims who are trying to get anti-Islamic hate laws in place (Islamophobia = anti-Semitism). If they succeed then expect Scientologists to follow their lead. By the way: the Anti-Defamation League has a nasty reputation for trampling on free speech. Take a walk through Google and you'll come across some troubling cases. Poor David Icke (yes, I know he's a fruitcake) had a hard time from ADL a while back on a book tour. The ADL activists came across as self-righteous prigs. Take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ypYcZ7qfw
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups Google Groups Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.comPreview by Yahoo I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide.All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith. You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide.All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
For some reason, I keep coming back to the fact that there are probably many enlightened teachers in India, most of whom go about their business in relative anonymity. And from what I gather, their message is pretty much the same, in regards to ego, self, Self, and most of the points of spirituality covered in the Upanishads and other Hindu, and Vedic texts. It always curious to see Maharishi's status downgraded from spiritual teacher, to just a guy who had no enlightened, although those same people can't stop talking about him. I thought he put out a pretty good product for us Westerners. Hey, how can it be that someone like me, feels as though I have made some decent progress on the path. And although I don't actively practice the technique, I have no one else I will ever call Master, even if the element of devotion is not part of my mindset. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Preview by Yahoo I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide. All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith. You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide. All TM Teachers were certified
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi
can you say, I have a lot of anger in me wr to Maharishi and the TMO ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't make anti-Semitic remarks and I tell the truth about Marshy your fake greedy guru and his fraud committing Movement. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi If mouth and arrogance is enough to get someone booted from this group, how come you are still here? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Look back and you will see you are incorrect, either way, his mouth and arrogance got him booted. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi This is pretty low of you Michael given how courteous Dan was to you. On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bravo Rick! Well done. From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bye Bye Dan and Jedi I don’t appreciate threats. I don’t have the time or interest to moderate the group in the manner which you require. I have removed both you and jedi spock from the group. That should solve your problem. From: Daniel Friedman [mailto:danielfriedman.friedman@...] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:50 PM To: Rick Archer Subject: Fwd: Take a Look at this from Fairfieldlife today Dear Mr Rick Archer, I have sent Notice to the Jewish ADL about the anti-Semitism rampant at the Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife of which you are Moderator. Instead of opening a Formal Complaint for Investigation and Referral for Enforcement, ADL's Representative recommended that I contact you to request that you maintain control over jedi_spock credentials; i.e. all Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Registration information collected as part of Registration in the Group. And while you have indicated that I am to monitor the posting of jedi_spock, I feel you, as Yahoo Group Fairfieldlife Moderator are responsible for reporting discriminatory behavior. Perhaps you feel differently, but the entire congregation of The Temple I attended this morning feel differently. This is no longer a matter to be settled between the two of us. This serves as my Formal Notice. Daniel Friedman copies
Re: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL
sounds like you've found your life mission Michael. you go round and round with your findings, and actually sounding more and more desperate perhaps there will be a satisfactory payoff for you, or perhaps you will ride off into the sunset a bitter and angry person. I guess you'll see. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : well when you take the fact that Mahesh Prasad said the mantras were names of gods in his first book, Meditations of maharishi mahesh yogi, and repeated it ad infinitum in the early years of the Movement, then claimed they were meaningless sounds made a tape that he sold to initiators only claiming that we exist to provide soma for the gods and they give us boons to get that soma soup, then took the tape back and threatened to excommunicate the ones who didn't send it back and pretended he never told people anything that bizarre or absurd. Made promises and broke them regularly (like canceling ATR credit for teachers) told everyone he was a life long celibate and screwed as many women as he could took money under false pretenses for decades, made grander and grander promises none of which were ever fulfilled (people will get enlightened, people will fly, turn invisible,) TMSP is 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, no negative side effects from TM and TMSP and on and on, what kind of things do you expect me and other clear thinking individuals to say about someone who obviously was a liar, sexual opportunist if not abuser and flimflam man and con artist? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 10:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL No get off it, not just Jews but meditators too are victims of hate persecution here too. I was feeling to turn FFL over to the Southern Poverty Law Center over the hate-speech which meditators are experiencing from a few people posting here. Om, so evidently FFL being a yahoo-group privately owned and operated exclusively by Rick and seeing as Rick won't give me the keys to the place, it would seem that in procedure if I threatened to bring the full heat of the Southern Poverty Law Center on to the FFL yahoo group with a formal complaint about the vile hateful defamation of meditators that MJ methodically heaps in regularly puking out here then that complaint could get both of us kicked off FFL by precedent.MJ is such a pernicious hateful extreme defamer of all that is good with TM I should be doing all of humanity a large favor getting him removed from FFL that way, as Rick won't give me the keys to this place otherwise. -Buck in the Dome The Southern Poverty Law Center: The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. http://www.splcenter.org/ http://www.splcenter.org/ The Southern Poverty Law Center monitors hate groups and other extremists throughout the United States and exposes their activities to law enforcement agencies, the media and the public. Fighting Hateful Extremism: http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism Hatewatch: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/ http://www.splcenter.org/blog/ Teaching Tolerance: Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance Teaching Tolerance | Southern Poverty Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance We know we won’t achieve equality and justice through the courts and investigative reporting alone. The future of our great country lies in the hands of t... View on www.splcenter.org http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance Preview by Yahoo s3raphita@... writes : There are two serious problems with Jews pleading for special protection against attacks on their religion: 1) those of us who are not Jews and have long-since adjusted to seeing our own attitudes and beliefs ridiculed by all and sundry get the message that THE JEWS AREN'T LIKE US. So Jewish sensitivities only exacerbate the issue rather than allowing us to put the whole thing behind us back in the Dark Ages where it belongs and getting on with creating a society where everyone is regarded as an individual to be judged on what he/she does and says; and . . . 2) once you allow Jews to claim that privileged position then other groups want a piece of the action. At the moment it's Muslims who are trying to get anti-Islamic hate laws in place (Islamophobia = anti-Semitism). If they succeed then expect Scientologists to follow their lead. By the way: the Anti-Defamation League has a nasty reputation for trampling on free speech. Take a walk
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching'
What are you saying Michael? It sounds like you are saying Charlie was able to separate out the ways he thought MMY was wrong, but was still able to appreciate the areas in which he felt he was right on. In which case, why would you even show the slightest respect for Charlie? I mean in your world, Charlie should be leading the charge for all the TM rhetoric in which you immerse yourself. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Charlie also went very clearly on record that Marshy teaching the siddhis was a mistake From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio 'The Highest Teaching' Seems Charlie Lutes was older and adult when he was around TM. He evidently was around spirituality before meeting Maharishi. He obviously came along a longer path than many of us college aged who early started TM during the popular time of TM movement in the late 60's and early 70's. He was quite a spokesperson for Knowledge. Seems leaders now themselves don't tend to have this kind of depth in spiritual ethic and value where they can step out of a box and draw and quote across traditions to lead and argue for the position Lutes does in this talk. Current TM seems to have pulled back in to a canned material and can seem tame and unable to call out on people for spiritual activism this way Charlie Lutes is doing. -Buck Wow, what a soldier of the Truth. Advanced lecture? Fundamental TM. Old style call, plain and straight prosecution of the goal: This is what we are about, Take stock of yourself. Charlie Lutes: The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. punditster wrote : Subject: Charles F. Lutes - a tribute Author: John Manning Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December, 5, 2002 Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p75f2zz Preview by Yahoo I never heard a complete Charlie Lutes lecture before. He was always considered off the program and ostracized by straight TM. This is pretty hardcore TM. I take great heart from this lecture. How did he fall out of favor? -Buck TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife] wrote: You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide. All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith. You added the tag-line 'as taught by certified teachers'. He did not say that in the lecture. Typical TM True Believer posturing and misinformation from mail_uzer -- Charlie died years before there was even such a thing as certified TM teachers. And anyone who knew him knows that had recertification happened during in his lifetime and been demanded of him, Charlie would have died before submitting to it. He would have considered it an insult...and he would have been correct. Non sequitur. Charles F. Lutes was not a TM Teacher, certified or not. He was a businessman, an executive of SRM, speaker, and certified by MMY as a TM Guide. All TM Teachers were certified by MMY. Charles Lutes was the first TMer in the USA in 1959. For many years the only TM Teacher in the US was Beaulah Smith.
