[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Richard J. Williams]

> > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > > an hour. Go figure.
> > >
> turquoiseb:
> > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > like this 
> >
Maybe you weren't around when Rama used to teach this
technique to students. LoL!

"The focus of meditation at these meetings is a black-and-white 
copy of a photograph of Chinmoy taken in 1967 while he was in
what he described as a transcendental state of consciousness. 

It was sometimes referred to by Ghose and his disciples as 
"The Transcendental Picture" or "The Transcendental Photograph", 
but more often simply as "The Transcendental"."

Chinmoy Kumar Ghose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Chinmoy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Share Long]

And sometimes it's fun to be silly and totally unspiritual.  Remember, I'm the 
one who began TM so that I could fulfill all my desires.  Little did I know 
what that promise actually meant.  Lucky me (-:





 From: navashok 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I guess I haven't read as much of your writing as others here have.  AND I 
> didn't see much of YOUR writing style in the extra long post (-:
> As for my traveling to India, anything is possible and I do think I would 
> love it, the richness of it, the sweetness of the people, the unfamiliar 
> beauty of the culture.  For me this is where the best spirituality abides.  
> Maybe I got a little taste of that when I went to Amma's programs.  You've 
> planted a good idea in my heart and mind, thank you.

Well, I'm glad I did. This was the purpose of my post - to connect with 
intelligent spiritual people ;-)

> 
>  From: navashok 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:08 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Welcome back K T (-:
> 
> Thanks Share.
> 
> > And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in.
> > How did you all figure it out so quickly?
> 
> Not difficult really. Apart from the writing style, I frequently mention 
> India - from where I'm posting right now - mentioned the Matri Mandir before, 
> and probably a few other clues.
> 
> But Share, I really think you should come here one day, you know, Arunachala, 
> Tiruvannamalai, Pondicherry and Auroville (Matri Mandir). You will enjoy the 
> spiritual atmosphere here - not that you don't have any of that in Fairfield 
> as well, but I think it's good to see something different, experience a 
> different spiritual subculture, and I'm sure you would love India.
> 
> And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - I think he 
> should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, because a lot of what he says 
> relates to that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. 
> Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, but from a typical Indian 
> perspective, not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his solution 
> of the problem Personal vs Impersonal.
> 
> > 
> >  From: navashok 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new
> > > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last
> > > time he was here.
> > 
> > Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-)
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I guess I haven't read as much of your writing as others here have.  AND I 
> didn't see much of YOUR writing style in the extra long post (-:
> As for my traveling to India, anything is possible and I do think I would 
> love it, the richness of it, the sweetness of the people, the unfamiliar 
> beauty of the culture.  For me this is where the best spirituality abides.  
> Maybe I got a little taste of that when I went to Amma's programs.  You've 
> planted a good idea in my heart and mind, thank you.

Well, I'm glad I did. This was the purpose of my post - to connect with 
intelligent spiritual people ;-)


> 
>  From: navashok 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:08 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Welcome back K T (-:
> 
> Thanks Share.
> 
> > And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in.
> > How did you all figure it out so quickly?
> 
> Not difficult really. Apart from the writing style, I frequently mention 
> India - from where I'm posting right now - mentioned the Matri Mandir before, 
> and probably a few other clues.
> 
> But Share, I really think you should come here one day, you know, Arunachala, 
> Tiruvannamalai, Pondicherry and Auroville (Matri Mandir). You will enjoy the 
> spiritual atmosphere here - not that you don't have any of that in Fairfield 
> as well, but I think it's good to see something different, experience a 
> different spiritual subculture, and I'm sure you would love India.
> 
> And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - I think he 
> should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, because a lot of what he says 
> relates to that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. 
> Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, but from a typical Indian 
> perspective, not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his solution 
> of the problem Personal vs Impersonal.
> 
> > 
> >  From: navashok 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new
> > > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last
> > > time he was here.
> > 
> > Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I thought so.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm going by your description
> > > > > > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, 
> > > > > > > > rules out any possible interest on Robin's part.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something
> > > > > > is not anything he considers constructive.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read
> > > > > the book?
> > > > 
> > > > I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again,
> > > > see if you can find it.
> > > 
> > > You are not saying anything constructive. If you want, why
> > > don't you just try again?
> > 
> > First you show me you were able to find where I told you
> > how I knew you were wrong.
> 
> Look at your own contorted sentence. It says really all about
> you. I am not wrong in the first place.

You are wrong, and my sentence isn't particularly elegant,
but it isn't "contorted." Your reading comprehension is
so poor you have no idea what I wrote telling you how I
knew you were wrong, but you can't bring yourself to
admit it.

> Second, you don't even
> know why I would suggest the reading to him, because you don't
> know the book. End of story.

Too funny. You've forgotten that you explained why you
suggested the book to him.

> Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, it
> applies to you exactly, and this thread is testimony of it.

You have lost your marbles, navashok. Either that, or
you didn't read the article yourself.

> All you intend is to get me somehow, engage me with your
> insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, you even admitted
> this tactic once.

I don't believe I ever "admitted" to such a "tactic." I may
have said I'd prefer that you weren't on the forum. You
have repeatedly gone after me when I haven't said a word to
you. You posted that excerpt from Robin's old book and
pretended it still represented his thinking when he wasn't
around to deny it. If anyone is a "stalker" here, it's you
(and Barry, of course).

You did not have to respond to what I told you. It was your
choice to start an argument.

> This is just so love and perverted.

("Low"--he corrected himself.)

> > > > > Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by
> > > > > Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let
> > > > > Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not?
> > > > 
> > > > What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding
> > > > whether he wants to read it? 
> > > 
> > > Didn't say this, did I?
> > 
> > You sure did. "Why not let Robin decide?"
> 
> Not the same sentence. Yours is twisted (of course)

Please take some lessons in English. "Why not let Robin
decide?" implies (semantically) that Robin can decide
only if I let him.

> > > > I haven't been addressing him,
> > > > I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to 
> > > > read.
> > > 
> > > Exactly, you are not even in the picture.
> > 
> > (guffaw) Non sequitur.
> 
> Yep, it relates, as you said I started a fight with you.

English lessons. Take some English lessons.

> > > > > Since you don't even know about what the book is.
> > > > 
> > > > See above.
> > > 
> > > Non sequitur
> > 
> > Not. Lack of reading comprehension on your part.
> > 
> > > > > Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are
> > > > > always so guarded to not actually say something concrete,
> > > > > so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to
> > > > > 'win' your arguments.
> > > > 
> > > > That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the
> > > > arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your
> > > > problems comprehending English.
> > > >
> > > I think you are a little out of sync. This post wasn't addressed
> > > to you at all, it was to Share,
> > 
> > (Who hasn't a clue whether Robin would have an interest in
> > reading Aurobindo.)
> 
> No need to int interrupt the sentence here. I can very well
> address something to Share, and something else to somebody else
> in the same post.

Of course you can, and you did: your remark in that post
about Aurobindo was addressed to Robin (although he isn't
here)--but above you say the post was addressed to Share.
You are *incoherent*, navashok.

> Judy, it's exactly this kind of arguing, which makes you so
> silly. What you try to imply is not said by me in any way.
> You just deceive and create a smokescreen. I am obviously not
> the first one to state this here.

Nobody who has said this, including you, was being honest.

> It doesn't help you, it doesn't help anyone, you just post
> out early, that's all.

Or not, as the case may be.

> >  and mentioned Robin. You we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[doctordumbass]

my wife refers to it as, "getting out of your own way".:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty 
> > much OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. 
> > Whatever comes up. 
> > 
> > Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every 
> > direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I 
> > am, again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually 
> > enjoyable.
> 
> 
> Sounds like a lot of fun :-)
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED...
> > > > 
> > > And what did it get you? Curious.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok [to Dr Dumbass & Share]

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Ah, Doc, I love this abiding simplicity in all and every direction.  Which 
> can also be very surprising (-:
> What I'd add in reply to Xeno is that the only thing I got is that It's been 
> here the whole time.
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:50 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
>   
> Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much 
> OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever 
> comes up. 
> 
> Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every 
> direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, 
> again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually 
> enjoyable.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
>>>
>>> ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED...
>>> 
>> And what did it get you? Curious.
>>
I think that kind of completes it! What I am curious about is some people seem 
to just slide into this gracefully, and some have a sudden realisation, a shift 
in perspective that blows them away, and some are in between in how it happens; 
some seem prepared; some are unprepared and have difficulties with the shift.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > 
> > Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, 
> > it applies to you exactly, and this thread is testimony 
> > of it. All you intend is to get me somehow, engage me 
> > with your insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, 
> > you even admitted this tactic once. This is just so 
> > *love* and perverted.
> 
> Haha, love would be good, what I had in mind was low.

There are people for whom the two concepts are 
conflated. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Emily Reyn]

Perhaps a little Leyenda is in order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeebWgjrrU&feature=related




>
> From: navashok 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:10 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
> 
>
>  
>
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
>> 
>> Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, it applies to you 
>> exactly, and this thread is testimony of it. All you intend is to get me 
>> somehow, engage me with your insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, you 
>> even admitted this tactic once. This is just so *love* and perverted.
>> 
>
>Haha, love would be good, what I had in mind was low.
>
>
> 
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:

> 
> Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, it applies to you 
> exactly, and this thread is testimony of it. All you intend is to get me 
> somehow, engage me with your insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, you 
> even admitted this tactic once. This is just so *love* and perverted.
> 

Haha, love would be good, what I had in mind was low.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I thought so.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm going by your description
> > > > > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, 
> > > > > > > rules out any possible interest on Robin's part.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something
> > > > > is not anything he considers constructive.
> > > > 
> > > > So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read
> > > > the book?
> > > 
> > > I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again,
> > > see if you can find it.
> > 
> > You are not saying anything constructive. If you want, why
> > don't you just try again?
> 
> First you show me you were able to find where I told you
> how I knew you were wrong.

Look at your own contorted sentence. It says really all about you. I am not 
wrong in the first place. Second, you don't even know why I would suggest the 
reading to him, because you don't know the book. End of story. 

Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, it applies to you 
exactly, and this thread is testimony of it. All you intend is to get me 
somehow, engage me with your insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, you 
even admitted this tactic once. This is just so love and perverted.


> > > > Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by
> > > > Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let
> > > > Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not?
> > > 
> > > What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding
> > > whether he wants to read it? 
> > 
> > Didn't say this, did I?
> 
> You sure did. "Why not let Robin decide?"

Not the same sentence. Yours is twisted (of course)
> 
> > > I haven't been addressing him,
> > > I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to 
> > > read.
> > 
> > Exactly, you are not even in the picture.
> 
> (guffaw) Non sequitur.

Yep, it relates, as you said I started a fight with you.
> 
> > > > Since you don't even know about what the book is.
> > > 
> > > See above.
> > 
> > Non sequitur
> 
> Not. Lack of reading comprehension on your part.
> 
> > > > Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are
> > > > always so guarded to not actually say something concrete,
> > > > so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to
> > > > 'win' your arguments.
> > > 
> > > That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the
> > > arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your
> > > problems comprehending English.
> > >
> > I think you are a little out of sync. This post wasn't addressed
> > to you at all, it was to Share,
> 
> (Who hasn't a clue whether Robin would have an interest in
> reading Aurobindo.)

No need to int interrupt the sentence here. I can very well address something 
to Share, and something else to somebody else in the same post. Judy, it's 
exactly this kind of arguing, which makes you so silly. What you try to imply 
is not said by me in any way. You just deceive and create a smokescreen. I am 
obviously not the first one to state this here. It doesn't help you, it doesn't 
help anyone, you just post out early, that's all.

> 
>  and mentioned Robin. You weren't
> > in the picture at all. So how exactly would I have started an 
> > argument with you?
> 
> I told you Robin wouldn't be interested, and you started
> arguing with me--obviously.

So you are now his spokeswoman? He can't talk and decide for himself anymore? 
You know what? I even believe you. But out of very different reasons than 
yourself - out of reasons that I have stated much earlier.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I thought so.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm going by your description
> > > > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, 
> > > > > > rules out any possible interest on Robin's part.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute,
> > > > 
> > > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something
> > > > is not anything he considers constructive.
> > > 
> > > So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read
> > > the book?
> > 
> > I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again,
> > see if you can find it.
> 
> You are not saying anything constructive. If you want, why
> don't you just try again?

First you show me you were able to find where I told you
how I knew you were wrong.

> > > Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by
> > > Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let
> > > Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not?
> > 
> > What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding
> > whether he wants to read it? 
> 
> Didn't say this, did I?

You sure did. "Why not let Robin decide?"

> > I haven't been addressing him,
> > I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to 
> > read.
> 
> Exactly, you are not even in the picture.

(guffaw) Non sequitur.

> > > Since you don't even know about what the book is.
> > 
> > See above.
> 
> Non sequitur

Not. Lack of reading comprehension on your part.

> > > Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are
> > > always so guarded to not actually say something concrete,
> > > so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to
> > > 'win' your arguments.
> > 
> > That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the
> > arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your
> > problems comprehending English.
> >
> I think you are a little out of sync. This post wasn't addressed
> to you at all, it was to Share,

(Who hasn't a clue whether Robin would have an interest in
reading Aurobindo.)

 and mentioned Robin. You weren't
> in the picture at all. So how exactly would I have started an 
> argument with you?

I told you Robin wouldn't be interested, and you started
arguing with me--obviously.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> (snip)
> > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. 
> > > > 
> > > > I thought so.
> > > > 
> > > > > I'm going by your description
> > > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules
> > > > > out any possible interest on Robin's part.
> > > > 
> > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute,
> > > 
> > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something
> > > is not anything he considers constructive.
> > 
> > So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read
> > the book?
> 
> I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again,
> see if you can find it.

You are not saying anything constructive. If you want, why don't you just try 
again?

> > Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by
> > Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let
> > Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not?
> 
> What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding
> whether he wants to read it? 

Didn't say this, did I?

> I haven't been addressing him,
> I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to 
> read.

Exactly, you are not even in the picture.

> > Since you don't even know about what the book is.
> 
> See above.

Non sequitur
> 
> > Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are
> > always so guarded to not actually say something concrete,
> > so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to
> > 'win' your arguments.
> 
> That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the
> arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your
> problems comprehending English.
>
I think you are a little out of sync. This post wasn't addressed to you at all, 
it was to Share, and mentioned Robin. You weren't in the picture at all. So how 
exactly would I have started an argument with you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
(snip)
> > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. 
> > > 
> > > I thought so.
> > > 
> > > > I'm going by your description
> > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules
> > > > out any possible interest on Robin's part.
> > > 
> > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute,
> > 
> > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something
> > is not anything he considers constructive.
> 
> So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read
> the book?

I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again,
see if you can find it.

> Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by
> Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let
> Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not?

What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding
whether he wants to read it? I haven't been addressing him,
I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to 
read.

> Since you don't even know about what the book is.

See above.

> Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are
> always so guarded to not actually say something concrete,
> so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to
> 'win' your arguments.

That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the
arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your
problems comprehending English.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the 
> > > > > > > > moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine
> > > > > > > > for example, because a lot of what he says relates to
> > > > > > > > that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the 
> > > > > > > > Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points,
> > > > > > > > but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian
> > > > > > > > one. So he might be interested in his solution of the 
> > > > > > > > problem Personal vs Impersonal.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it
> > > > > > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's
> > > > > > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be
> > > > > > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not surprised you don't understand.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's
> > > > > you who doesn't understand.
> > > > 
> > > > So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have
> > > > anything constructive to say apart from childish retorts?
> > > 
> > > You mean, childish retorts like "I'm not surprised you don't
> > > understand"?
> > 
> > That was the one you asked for.
> 
> Or a childish retort like "That was the one you asked for"?
> 
> > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. 
> > 
> > I thought so.
> > 
> > > I'm going by your description
> > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules
> > > out any possible interest on Robin's part.
> > 
> > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute,
> 
> Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something
> is not anything he considers constructive.

So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read the book? Navashok 
thinks that this book, or one of the other books by Aurobindo, could be 
useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let Robin decide, if he follows this 
suggestion or not? Since you don't even know about what the book is.

Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are always so guarded to 
not actually say something concrete, so you always have a back-door and can 
twist it later, to 'win' your arguments.

> 
> > but since it's all about Robin I am the expert anyway.
> 
> I sure know more about Robin than navashok.
> 
> > And since I have now detected who Navashok is
> 
> Knew from your second post this time around.
> 
> > I can go about my usual game with him.
> 
> Navashok's usual game with Judy has never been very
> successful.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the 
> > > > > > > moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine
> > > > > > > for example, because a lot of what he says relates to
> > > > > > > that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the 
> > > > > > > Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points,
> > > > > > > but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian
> > > > > > > one. So he might be interested in his solution of the 
> > > > > > > problem Personal vs Impersonal.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it
> > > > > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's
> > > > > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be
> > > > > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not surprised you don't understand.
> > > > 
> > > > You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's
> > > > you who doesn't understand.
> > > 
> > > So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have
> > > anything constructive to say apart from childish retorts?
> > 
> > You mean, childish retorts like "I'm not surprised you don't
> > understand"?
> 
> That was the one you asked for.

Or a childish retort like "That was the one you asked for"?

> > No, I haven't read Life Divine. 
> 
> I thought so.
> 
> > I'm going by your description
> > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules
> > out any possible interest on Robin's part.
> 
> Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute,

Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something
is not anything he considers constructive.

> but since it's all about Robin I am the expert anyway.

I sure know more about Robin than navashok.

> And since I have now detected who Navashok is

Knew from your second post this time around.

> I can go about my usual game with him.

Navashok's usual game with Judy has never been very
successful.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the 
> > > > > > moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine
> > > > > > for example, because a lot of what he says relates to
> > > > > > that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the 
> > > > > > Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points,
> > > > > > but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian
> > > > > > one. So he might be interested in his solution of the 
> > > > > > problem Personal vs Impersonal.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it
> > > > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's
> > > > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be
> > > > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.)
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not surprised you don't understand.
> > > 
> > > You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's
> > > you who doesn't understand.
> > 
> > So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have
> > anything constructive to say apart from childish retorts?
> 
> You mean, childish retorts like "I'm not surprised you don't
> understand"?

That was the one you asked for.

> No, I haven't read Life Divine. 

I thought so.

> I'm going by your description
> of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules
> out any possible interest on Robin's part.

Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute, but since it's all 
about Robin I am the expert anyway. And since I have now detected who Navashok 
is, I can go about my usual game with him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the 
> > > > > moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine
> > > > > for example, because a lot of what he says relates to
> > > > > that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the 
> > > > > Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points,
> > > > > but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian
> > > > > one. So he might be interested in his solution of the 
> > > > > problem Personal vs Impersonal.
> > > > 
> > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it
> > > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's
> > > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be
> > > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.)
> > > 
> > > I'm not surprised you don't understand.
> > 
> > You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's
> > you who doesn't understand.
> 
> So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have
> anything constructive to say apart from childish retorts?

You mean, childish retorts like "I'm not surprised you don't
understand"?

No, I haven't read Life Divine. I'm going by your description
of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules
out any possible interest on Robin's part.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment -
> > > > I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example,
> > > > because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main 
> > > > objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses
> > > > exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective,
> > > > not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his
> > > > solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal.
> > > 
> > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it
> > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's
> > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be
> > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.)
> > 
> > I'm not surprised you don't understand.
> 
> You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's
> you who doesn't understand.

So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have anything constructive 
to say apart from childish retorts?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment -
> > > I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example,
> > > because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main 
> > > objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses
> > > exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective,
> > > not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his
> > > solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal.
> > 
> > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it
> > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's
> > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be
> > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.)
> 
> I'm not surprised you don't understand.

You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's
you who doesn't understand.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> (snip)
> > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment -
> > I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example,
> > because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main 
> > objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses
> > exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective,
> > not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his
> > solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal.
> 
> I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it
> demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's
> POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be
> pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.)

I'm not surprised you don't understand.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Richard J. Williams]

> > > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> > > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > > of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
> > >
> > I think what put him on that higher plane, and so 
> > obvious once you actually look, was Rama's lid...
> >
nablusoss1008: 
> According to Benjamin Creme the Rama fellow had a point 
> of evolution at the time of death of 1,7...
>
Apparently Uncle Tantra got a direct transfer of 
energy from Rama - and a love of fast cars, women, 
movies, and a love of money. LoL!

"It was pretty obvious he was sleeping with a lot of 
the girls," said Kohl. "He said it was 'tantric sex' 
and that he could transfer a great deal of energy to 
the women and accelerate their development."

http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-1.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Richard J. Williams]

> I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
> triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
> Jag,
>
The Rama guy used to own and drive fast cars. You
probably paid for the Mercedes with your Rama seminar
fees. LoL!

According to motor vehicle records in New York state 
Lenz collection of imported cars consists of:


Vehicle Color   Licence Registered Address
1991 Bentley -  Black6BC453 Old Field
1992 Porsche -  BlackG8H473 World Trade Center
1992 Mercedes - Black377367 World Trade Center
1991 Mercedes -  2NW122 World Trade Center
1991 Rolls Royce -  Black8VK333 Old Field

Additional vehicles, not currently registered were:

1989 PorscheBlack DMW763World Trade Center
1990 Porsche  3J8837World Trade Center
1991 Rolls Royce  5UC837Old Field
1989 Mercedes 6XF616Old Field

The Bentley, worth $100,000 was a "gift" from his 
grateful students in 1990. "That was real nice of them", 
Lenz said in the telephone interview with Bill Faulk of 
Newsday. 

Frederick Lenz, aka Zen Master Rama:
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-1.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Richard J. Williams]

> > > All the puja does is charge up the initiator with enough
> > > shakti to make the mantra enlivened.
> >
> > According to whom? Please show us "shakti," or
> > prove that it exists. We'll wait. :-)
> >
Ravi Chivukula: 
> You are on the losing side of this Barry. Think about it - 
> For me puja is similar to sex...
>
Tantra Yoga is all about sex, placement and positioning. 

If he thinks he's practicing 'tantra yoga', he's probably 
just posturing  - or abusing himself. Apparently he used
to do puja to Devi but maybe now he's a single slf-starter
these days. LoL!

The important thing is, do you enjoy? 

Read more:

'Yoga and Sex Scandals: No Surprise Here'
By William J. Broad 
Posted on February 27, 2012 
http://tinyurl.com/ct59amc

'The Tantric Body: The Secret Tradition of Hindu Religion'
by Gavin D. Flood
I. B. Tauris, 2005

> - even a die-hard atheist like Curtis would agree
> there is shakti or energy in sex. I associate all the steps in puja
> similar to foreplay and the goddess as the beloved. The sense of
> intimacy, love you feel in the act of foreplay or the steps in 
> pooja can't be discounted. Having said that I would always choose
> sex, intimacy with a real woman over pooja with a fantasized
> goddess but I won't deride pooja like you.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
(snip)
> And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment -
> I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example,
> because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main 
> objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses
> exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective,
> not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his
> solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal.

I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it
demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's
POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be
pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Richard J. Williams]

> > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > an hour. Go figure.
> >
turquoiseb:
> Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> like this 
>
Uh oh, a Barry button got pressed. Go figure.

"I don't know if that the fact that Fred was able to take 
half the San Diego disciples with him when he left says 
more about Fred or about Chinmoy.

Or maybe it says more about the disciples themselves, who 
were naive and gullible enough to go from one bogus avatar 
to another without, apparently, a second thought."

'Fred and Chinmoy: Twin (Bogus) Avatars'
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sri_Chinmoy_Information/message/16640

> to justify your pitiful existence there
> in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
>
Sorry, Pal, I'm in Sonoma now. LoL!

> It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> history to justify the lack of their own. 
> 
> The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
> may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 
> 
> To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Share Long]

I guess I haven't read as much of your writing as others here have.  AND I 
didn't see much of YOUR writing style in the extra long post (-:
As for my traveling to India, anything is possible and I do think I would love 
it, the richness of it, the sweetness of the people, the unfamiliar beauty of 
the culture.  For me this is where the best spirituality abides.  Maybe I got a 
little taste of that when I went to Amma's programs.  You've planted a good 
idea in my heart and mind, thank you.





 From: navashok 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:08 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Welcome back K T (-:

Thanks Share.

> And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in.
> How did you all figure it out so quickly?

Not difficult really. Apart from the writing style, I frequently mention India 
- from where I'm posting right now - mentioned the Matri Mandir before, and 
probably a few other clues.

But Share, I really think you should come here one day, you know, Arunachala, 
Tiruvannamalai, Pondicherry and Auroville (Matri Mandir). You will enjoy the 
spiritual atmosphere here - not that you don't have any of that in Fairfield as 
well, but I think it's good to see something different, experience a different 
spiritual subculture, and I'm sure you would love India.

And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - I think he 
should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, because a lot of what he says 
relates to that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. 
Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, but from a typical Indian 
perspective, not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his solution of 
the problem Personal vs Impersonal.

> 
>  From: navashok 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new
> > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last
> > time he was here.
> 
> Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-)
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Welcome back K T (-:

Thanks Share.
 
> And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in.
> How did you all figure it out so quickly?

Not difficult really. Apart from the writing style, I frequently mention India 
- from where I'm posting right now - mentioned the Matri Mandir before, and 
probably a few other clues.

But Share, I really think you should come here one day, you know, Arunachala, 
Tiruvannamalai, Pondicherry and Auroville (Matri Mandir). You will enjoy the 
spiritual atmosphere here - not that you don't have any of that in Fairfield as 
well, but I think it's good to see something different, experience a different 
spiritual subculture, and I'm sure you would love India.

And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - I think he 
should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, because a lot of what he says 
relates to that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. 
Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, but from a typical Indian 
perspective, not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his solution of 
the problem Personal vs Impersonal.
 
> 
>  From: navashok 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new
> > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last
> > time he was here.
> 
> Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[doctordumbass]

Thanks!! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Ah, Doc, I love this abiding simplicity in all and every direction.  Which 
> can also be very surprising (-:
> What I'd add in reply to Xeno is that the only thing I got is that It's been 
> here the whole time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:50 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
>  
> 
>   
> Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much 
> OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever 
> comes up. 
> 
> Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every 
> direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, 
> again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually 
> enjoyable.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED...
> > > 
> > And what did it get you? Curious.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much 
> OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever 
> comes up. 
> 
> Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every 
> direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, 
> again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually 
> enjoyable.


Sounds like a lot of fun :-)


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED...
> > > 
> > And what did it get you? Curious.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Alex Stanley]

This morning, a weird dream woke me up at 2am, so I fired up my iPad to see 
what I could watch on the DirecTV app. Two channels were playing televangelist 
Peter Popoff. The guy was proven to be a total fraud, but it does nothing to 
stop him.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Another joker that I had the pleasure of watching while I was in India -
> http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/fake-godman-bala-sai-baba-emerges-dresses-and-acts-like-sai-19732.html
> 
> These fraudsters are regularly exposed on Indian TV - Something good to
> come out of all that investment by Christian Missionaries and 700club.
> When's your time - Amma baby? You have played the game really well so far.
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Ravi Chivukula]

Another joker that I had the pleasure of watching while I was in India -
http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/fake-godman-bala-sai-baba-emerges-dresses-and-acts-like-sai-19732.html

These fraudsters are regularly exposed on Indian TV - Something good to
come out of all that investment by Christian Missionaries and 700club.
When's your time - Amma baby? You have played the game really well so far.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:11 AM, merudanda  wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> > >
> > > The Police, Donna Summer, Members Only jackets, and guys with perms -
> > lol
> > Here in the top photo (Mr Lenz) had the hair and the couture. The one in
> > the red sweater could be Clinton about 35 years ago wearing an afro wig.
> > The middle shot looks nicely androgynous. And he looks pretty cool in
> > leathers in the photo on the right although he appears to be touching
> > one of those contraptions that creates the electro static charge that
> > makes one's hair stand on end. In Fred's case, though, it is probably
> > the force of the cosmos directing the hair follicles.
>
> [image:
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WgcaHskVMoY/UAPOPkZH-fI/Sv4/mim38tZ3zW4/s400/guru+-+sai+baba.jpg][image:
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J-SnfcSQRZA/UAPODBuPCwI/Svw/L1yZ0dDTGP4/s1600/guru+-+sai+baba1.jpg][image:
> http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Sai-Baba.jpg][image:
> http://barrypittard.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/09saibaba1.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh the 80's, what a
> > pinnacle of style and elegance. I think it was only superseded by the
> > 70's.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > turquoiseb:
> > > > > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri
> > > > > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And
> > > > > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for
> > > > > > an hour. Go figure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > > > > like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> > > > > in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> > > > > asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> > > > > for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> > > > > history to justify the lack of their own.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or
> > > > > may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> > > > > self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> > > > > is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> > > > > to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory.
> > > > >
> > > > > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > > > > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > > > > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > > > > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > > > > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a
> > > > > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > > > > of the TMO, and yourself. :-)
> > > >
> > > > I think what put him on that higher plane, and so obvious once you
> > actually look, was Rama's lid. That "do" of his could only characterize
> > one who is clearly ahead of the rest of us. Although vintage 80's it is
> > timeless and absolute in its very essence.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > The Police, Donna Summer, Members Only jackets, and guys with perms
-
> lol
> Here in the top photo (Mr Lenz) had the hair and the couture. The one
in
> the red sweater could be Clinton about 35 years ago wearing an afro
wig.
> The middle shot looks nicely androgynous. And he looks pretty cool in
> leathers in the photo on the right although he appears to be touching
> one of those contraptions that creates the electro static charge that
> makes one's hair stand on end. In Fred's case, though, it is probably
> the force of the cosmos directing the hair follicles.

 
[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WgcaHskVMoY/UAPOPkZH-fI/Sv4/mim38tZ3z\
W4/s400/guru+-+sai+baba.jpg] 
[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J-SnfcSQRZA/UAPODBuPCwI/Svw/L1yZ0dDTG\
P4/s1600/guru+-+sai+baba1.jpg] 
[http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Sai-Bab\
a.jpg]  [http://barrypittard.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/09saibaba1.jpg]





Oh the 80's, what a
> pinnacle of style and elegance. I think it was only superseded by the
> 70's.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > turquoiseb:
> > > > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > > >
> > > > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri
> > > > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And
> > > > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for
> > > > > an hour. Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > > > like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> > > > in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> > > >
> > > > It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> > > > asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> > > > for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> > > > history to justify the lack of their own.
> > > >
> > > > The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or
> > > > may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> > > > self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> > > > is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> > > > to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory.
> > > >
> > > > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > > > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > > > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > > > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > > > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a
> > > > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > > > of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
> > >
> > > I think what put him on that higher plane, and so obvious once you
> actually look, was Rama's lid. That "do" of his could only
characterize
> one who is clearly ahead of the rest of us. Although vintage 80's it
is
> timeless and absolute in its very essence.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Michael Jackson]

I'll take two of all that, minus the red onyums





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
 

  
Pigs that are only fed tulips?? Wow! I'll bet that *was* good! There is ore a 
couple local BBQ joints that aren't wonderful, though you can get a decent 
carnitas around here. On the warmer, dryer days, I've been CUEing in the 
backyard - burgers loaded with garlic, A1, sea salt, topped with grilled red 
onions, pepper jack, or cheddar, and a few drops of habanero sauce, on a 
grilled onion bread bun. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> Well, I'm not sure if anything could be more subjective than rating BBQ
> places.  Most BBQ I've ever had has been good.  Pappy's was the
> successor to Super Smokers here.  When we were in Colorado, and Aspen,
> we ate at the Hickory House.  Their deal is that their ribs come from
> from Denmark,  from pigs who are fed only tulips.  They are  tasty. 
> Then one time in Memphis, I ate at Corky's which, at least at that time,
> was their signature BBQ place.
> 
> We honeymooned in North Carolina, (many years ago) and it was fun to eat
> at some of the hidden away BBQ places they had there.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> >
> > Pappy's, eh? Great - I'll look them up!
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, I'll chime in and brag a little. Pappy's BBQ, rated number one
> by Zagat is in close proximity to our business. And in fact today, they
> came by unanounced and provided lunch, free, to all our employees. Turns
> out I had a lunch app't with another customer, but there was enough left
> over for me to bring home for the family.
> > >
> > > We were one of their vendors when they first opened, and we got to
> know the owner. Since then they've catered our Christmas party and some
> birthdays we celebrate and they never charge us.
> > >
> > > In exchange, we try to offer them some of our services gratis, but
> they are far more generous to us than we are able to be to them.
> > >
> > > BTW, I had lunch at Sybergs which is known for their mustard based
> chicken wings. I love them.
> > >
> > > http://www.zagat.com/r/pappys-smokehouse-st-louis
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You definitely have more history with it than I do, though I
> enjoyed it a lot, all the same.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I know its each to his own when it comes to bar-be-que - I grew
> up with the mustard base sauces for pork and chicken - a place that
> still exists called Wise's Barbeque - established back in the 1930's - I
> never knew about tomato based sauces till I was probably a teenager - I
> liked that too, especially on beef and chicken, but I never could get a
> taste for that nasty vinegar based Eastern North Carolina stuff that is
> essentially vinegar, sugar of various kinds and peppers - nasty nasty
> stuff but lots of people swear by it - I just swear at it. I still love
> the mustard based sauces the best.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: "doctordumbass@"
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the pines, in
> central NC, tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip, where
> several vintage aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork
> BBQ, too - tangy red sauce, up there.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of
> good stuff like the practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs
> like we do here in South Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes,
> tho it doesn't go too well with the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that
> is traditional here.
> > > > > >
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Welcome back K T (-:
> 
> And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in.
> How did you all figure it out so quickly?

Question is, why didn't you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Oh man I wish it had been ME driving that thing!!! 

It really was quite an experience, driving a beast
I would never be able to afford. 

> Have you ever driven one of those Smart cars? I saw a 
> guy the other night at a Bojangles of all places with 
> one - it sure looked nice for a little sawed off 
> thing - he was bragging on it right smart when I 
> asked him about it.

I have never driven one, but I got a ride to the Nice
airport in one, and was surprised at how roomy it was
inside, and how much pickup it had while passing. 

Why they're so practical in Paris is that one of the
highest costs of owning a car is paying for parking.
Two Smart cars can fit in a single parking space,
so you pay half the yearly fee. 


> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:13 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle 
> > the Mercury hunk of tin I drive
> 
> Understood, and appreciated. :-) I've just been fortunate
> enough to have been considered enough of a "car reviewer" 
> earlier in life that people later in that life allow me
> to drive their supercars from time to time, just to get
> my impressions of them. The results of these experiments
> are never short of FUN, and almost always interesting
> excursions into the limits of what human engineering
> can facilitate. Driving a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta ranks
> right up there with any of the enlightenment experiences
> I've ever had. :-)
> 
> > ____
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> > > the car doesn't out-think me. 
> > 
> > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
> > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)
> > 
> > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
> > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
> > Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does 
> > that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior,
> > enlightened abilities? :-)
> > 
> > Now we'll just sit back and see whether the
> > supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist 
> > having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Share Long]

Welcome back K T (-:

And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in.
How did you all figure it out so quickly?




 From: navashok 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new
> handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last
> time he was here.

Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-)


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Share Long]

Ah, Doc, I love this abiding simplicity in all and every direction.  Which can 
also be very surprising (-:
What I'd add in reply to Xeno is that the only thing I got is that It's been 
here the whole time.





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
 

  
Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much 
OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever 
comes up. 

Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every direction, 
I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, again. Very 
simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually enjoyable.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED...
> > 
> And what did it get you? Curious.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:

> > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
> 
> I think what put him on that higher plane, and so obvious once you actually 
> look, was Rama's lid. That "do" of his could only characterize one who is 
> clearly ahead of the rest of us. Although vintage 80's it is timeless and 
> absolute in its very essence.

According to Benjamin Creme the Rama fellow had a point of evolution at the 
time of death of 1,7, amongst others the same at Jimi Hendrix and many other 
artists. Which means he had taken the first Initiation and was well on his way 
towards #2 but far, very far away from enlightenment and freedom. To put in 
perspective Jesus from Palestine had 4,0, Guru Dev 6,0 and has Maitreya 7,0. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[doctordumbass]

Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much 
OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever 
comes up. 

Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every direction, 
I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, again. Very 
simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually enjoyable.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED...
> > 
> And what did it get you? Curious.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED...
> > 
> And what did it get you? Curious.

"Enlightenment" is just another word for living, breathing, looking, listening, 
feeling, tasting, hearing, crying, laughing, discovering. It is what all of us 
do every day (if we are lucky). Living is what counts. Extra 'handles' added to 
that are just superfluous. Possessing a human body, a brain, five senses and a 
modicum of morality is about as blessed as any human being could possibly be. 
Enhancement of the above is a result of blessings, applications of grace and 
the product of a certain degree of intention and effort but slipping down some 
slippery slope toward some imaginary state called "enlightenment" is not on my 
agenda. I am not going to hold my breath seeing if it exists. I've got the next 
world to enlarge on what I do and can know in this one.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED...
> 
And what did it get you? Curious.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[seventhray27]

I just envision that trip from Denmark to the Rockies.  But they were
voted best BBQ in Colorado.

My wife is pretty gifted on the grill.  Ocassionally she will get Kobe
burgers, even at the local grocer.  Those are exceptional.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> Pigs that are only fed tulips?? Wow! I'll bet that *was* good! There
is ore a couple local BBQ joints that aren't wonderful, though you can
get a decent carnitas around here. On the warmer, dryer days, I've been
CUEing in the backyard - burgers loaded with garlic, A1, sea salt,
topped with grilled red onions, pepper jack, or cheddar, and a few drops
of habanero sauce, on a grilled onion bread bun.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, I'm not sure if anything could be more subjective than rating
BBQ
> > places. Most BBQ I've ever had has been good. Pappy's was the
> > successor to Super Smokers here. When we were in Colorado, and
Aspen,
> > we ate at the Hickory House. Their deal is that their ribs come from
> > from Denmark, from pigs who are fed only tulips. They are tasty.
> > Then one time in Memphis, I ate at Corky's which, at least at that
time,
> > was their signature BBQ place.
> >
> > We honeymooned in North Carolina, (many years ago) and it was fun to
eat
> > at some of the hidden away BBQ places they had there.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Pappy's, eh? Great - I'll look them up!
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok, I'll chime in and brag a little. Pappy's BBQ, rated number
one
> > by Zagat is in close proximity to our business. And in fact today,
they
> > came by unanounced and provided lunch, free, to all our employees.
Turns
> > out I had a lunch app't with another customer, but there was enough
left
> > over for me to bring home for the family.
> > > >
> > > > We were one of their vendors when they first opened, and we got
to
> > know the owner. Since then they've catered our Christmas party and
some
> > birthdays we celebrate and they never charge us.
> > > >
> > > > In exchange, we try to offer them some of our services gratis,
but
> > they are far more generous to us than we are able to be to them.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, I had lunch at Sybergs which is known for their mustard
based
> > chicken wings. I love them.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.zagat.com/r/pappys-smokehouse-st-louis
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You definitely have more history with it than I do, though I
> > enjoyed it a lot, all the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know its each to his own when it comes to bar-be-que - I
grew
> > up with the mustard base sauces for pork and chicken - a place that
> > still exists called Wise's Barbeque - established back in the 1930's
- I
> > never knew about tomato based sauces till I was probably a teenager
- I
> > liked that too, especially on beef and chicken, but I never could
get a
> > taste for that nasty vinegar based Eastern North Carolina stuff that
is
> > essentially vinegar, sugar of various kinds and peppers - nasty
nasty
> > stuff but lots of people swear by it - I just swear at it. I still
love
> > the mustard based sauces the best.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@"
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:48 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the
pines, in
> > central NC, tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip,
where
> > several vintage aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork
> > BBQ, too - tangy red sauce, up there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > > > >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

Pigs that are only fed tulips?? Wow! I'll bet that *was* good! There is ore a 
couple local BBQ joints that aren't wonderful, though you can get a decent 
carnitas around here. On the warmer, dryer days, I've been CUEing in the 
backyard - burgers loaded with garlic, A1, sea salt, topped with grilled red 
onions, pepper jack, or cheddar, and a few drops of habanero sauce, on a 
grilled onion bread bun.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> Well, I'm not sure if anything could be more subjective than rating BBQ
> places.  Most BBQ I've ever had has been good.  Pappy's was the
> successor to Super Smokers here.  When we were in Colorado, and Aspen,
> we ate at the Hickory House.  Their deal is that their ribs come from
> from Denmark,  from pigs who are fed only tulips.  They are  tasty. 
> Then one time in Memphis, I ate at Corky's which, at least at that time,
> was their signature BBQ place.
> 
> We honeymooned in North Carolina, (many years ago) and it was fun to eat
> at some of the hidden away BBQ places they had there.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> >
> > Pappy's, eh? Great - I'll look them up!
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, I'll chime in and brag a little. Pappy's BBQ, rated number one
> by Zagat is in close proximity to our business. And in fact today, they
> came by unanounced and provided lunch, free, to all our employees. Turns
> out I had a lunch app't with another customer, but there was enough left
> over for me to bring home for the family.
> > >
> > > We were one of their vendors when they first opened, and we got to
> know the owner. Since then they've catered our Christmas party and some
> birthdays we celebrate and they never charge us.
> > >
> > > In exchange, we try to offer them some of our services gratis, but
> they are far more generous to us than we are able to be to them.
> > >
> > > BTW, I had lunch at Sybergs which is known for their mustard based
> chicken wings. I love them.
> > >
> > > http://www.zagat.com/r/pappys-smokehouse-st-louis
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You definitely have more history with it than I do, though I
> enjoyed it a lot, all the same.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I know its each to his own when it comes to bar-be-que - I grew
> up with the mustard base sauces for pork and chicken - a place that
> still exists called Wise's Barbeque - established back in the 1930's - I
> never knew about tomato based sauces till I was probably a teenager - I
> liked that too, especially on beef and chicken, but I never could get a
> taste for that nasty vinegar based Eastern North Carolina stuff that is
> essentially vinegar, sugar of various kinds and peppers - nasty nasty
> stuff but lots of people swear by it - I just swear at it. I still love
> the mustard based sauces the best.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: "doctordumbass@"
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the pines, in
> central NC, tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip, where
> several vintage aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork
> BBQ, too - tangy red sauce, up there.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of
> good stuff like the practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs
> like we do here in South Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes,
> tho it doesn't go too well with the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that
> is traditional here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: turquoiseb
> > > > > > To: Fair

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[seventhray27]

Well, I'm not sure if anything could be more subjective than rating BBQ
places.  Most BBQ I've ever had has been good.  Pappy's was the
successor to Super Smokers here.  When we were in Colorado, and Aspen,
we ate at the Hickory House.  Their deal is that their ribs come from
from Denmark,  from pigs who are fed only tulips.  They are  tasty. 
Then one time in Memphis, I ate at Corky's which, at least at that time,
was their signature BBQ place.

We honeymooned in North Carolina, (many years ago) and it was fun to eat
at some of the hidden away BBQ places they had there.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> Pappy's, eh? Great - I'll look them up!
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I'll chime in and brag a little. Pappy's BBQ, rated number one
by Zagat is in close proximity to our business. And in fact today, they
came by unanounced and provided lunch, free, to all our employees. Turns
out I had a lunch app't with another customer, but there was enough left
over for me to bring home for the family.
> >
> > We were one of their vendors when they first opened, and we got to
know the owner. Since then they've catered our Christmas party and some
birthdays we celebrate and they never charge us.
> >
> > In exchange, we try to offer them some of our services gratis, but
they are far more generous to us than we are able to be to them.
> >
> > BTW, I had lunch at Sybergs which is known for their mustard based
chicken wings. I love them.
> >
> > http://www.zagat.com/r/pappys-smokehouse-st-louis
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> > >
> > > You definitely have more history with it than I do, though I
enjoyed it a lot, all the same.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know its each to his own when it comes to bar-be-que - I grew
up with the mustard base sauces for pork and chicken - a place that
still exists called Wise's Barbeque - established back in the 1930's - I
never knew about tomato based sauces till I was probably a teenager - I
liked that too, especially on beef and chicken, but I never could get a
taste for that nasty vinegar based Eastern North Carolina stuff that is
essentially vinegar, sugar of various kinds and peppers - nasty nasty
stuff but lots of people swear by it - I just swear at it. I still love
the mustard based sauces the best.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: "doctordumbass@"
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the pines, in
central NC, tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip, where
several vintage aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork
BBQ, too - tangy red sauce, up there.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of
good stuff like the practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs
like we do here in South Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes,
tho it doesn't go too well with the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that
is traditional here.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: turquoiseb
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:01 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > turquoiseb:
> > > > > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri
> > > > > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And
> > > > > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

Two words: gel and backlighting! The allure and mystery of disco - oooh - makes 
me feel all...Zen...or itchy, or something...I've gotta go wash my hands, back 
in a flash --

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > The Police, Donna Summer, Members Only jackets, and guys with perms -
> lol
> Here in the top photo (Mr Lenz) had the hair and the couture. The one in
> the red sweater could be Clinton about 35 years ago wearing an afro wig.
> The middle shot looks nicely androgynous. And he looks pretty cool in
> leathers in the photo on the right although he appears to be touching
> one of those contraptions that creates the electro static charge that
> makes one's hair stand on end. In Fred's case, though, it is probably
> the force of the cosmos directing the hair follicles.Oh the 80's, what a
> pinnacle of style and elegance. I think it was only superseded by the
> 70's.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > turquoiseb:
> > > > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > > >
> > > > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri
> > > > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And
> > > > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for
> > > > > an hour. Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > > > like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> > > > in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> > > >
> > > > It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> > > > asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> > > > for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> > > > history to justify the lack of their own.
> > > >
> > > > The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or
> > > > may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> > > > self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> > > > is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> > > > to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory.
> > > >
> > > > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > > > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > > > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > > > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > > > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a
> > > > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > > > of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
> > >
> > > I think what put him on that higher plane, and so obvious once you
> actually look, was Rama's lid. That "do" of his could only characterize
> one who is clearly ahead of the rest of us. Although vintage 80's it is
> timeless and absolute in its very essence.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> The Police, Donna Summer, Members Only jackets, and guys with perms -
lol
Here in the top photo (Mr Lenz) had the hair and the couture. The one in
the red sweater could be Clinton about 35 years ago wearing an afro wig.
The middle shot looks nicely androgynous. And he looks pretty cool in
leathers in the photo on the right although he appears to be touching
one of those contraptions that creates the electro static charge that
makes one's hair stand on end. In Fred's case, though, it is probably
the force of the cosmos directing the hair follicles.Oh the 80's, what a
pinnacle of style and elegance. I think it was only superseded by the
70's.




>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > > >
> > > > turquoiseb:
> > > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > >
> > > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri
> > > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And
> > > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for
> > > > an hour. Go figure.
> > >
> > > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > > like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> > > in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> > >
> > > It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> > > asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> > > for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> > > history to justify the lack of their own.
> > >
> > > The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or
> > > may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> > > self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> > > is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> > > to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory.
> > >
> > > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a
> > > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > > of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
> >
> > I think what put him on that higher plane, and so obvious once you
actually look, was Rama's lid. That "do" of his could only characterize
one who is clearly ahead of the rest of us. Although vintage 80's it is
timeless and absolute in its very essence.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> "I repeat my challenge, which you ignored. Tell us,
> *on the basis of your own PERSONAL experience* why
> you think the puja is anything more than just words
> chanted and moods made.
> 
> We'll wait..."
> 
> WTF is this, dueling pistols at twenty paces?? Imperious
> Caesar? Who do think you are? ...get stuffed...

Insert here for comic effect one of Barry's many dozens
of contemptuous raps about folks who think he's under
any obligation to respond to their challenges, while
boasting about how assiduously he's ignoring them...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

Pappy's, eh? Great - I'll look them up!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> Ok, I'll chime in and brag a little.  Pappy's BBQ, rated number one by Zagat 
> is in close proximity to our business.  And in fact today, they came by 
> unanounced and provided lunch, free, to all our employees.  Turns out I had a 
> lunch app't with another customer, but there was enough left over for me to 
> bring home for the family.
> 
> We were one of their vendors when they first opened, and we got to know the 
> owner.  Since then they've catered our Christmas party and some birthdays we 
> celebrate and they never charge us.
> 
> In exchange, we try to offer them some of our services gratis, but they are 
> far more generous to us than we are able to be to them.
> 
> BTW, I had lunch at Sybergs which is known for their mustard based chicken 
> wings.  I love them.
> 
> http://www.zagat.com/r/pappys-smokehouse-st-louis
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > You definitely have more history with it than I do, though I enjoyed it a 
> > lot, all the same.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > I know its each to his own when it comes to bar-be-que - I grew up with 
> > > the mustard base sauces for pork and chicken - a place that still exists 
> > > called Wise's Barbeque - established back in the 1930's - I never knew 
> > > about tomato based sauces till I was probably a teenager - I liked that 
> > > too, especially on beef and chicken, but I never could get a taste for 
> > > that nasty vinegar based Eastern North Carolina stuff that is essentially 
> > > vinegar, sugar of various kinds and peppers - nasty nasty stuff but lots 
> > > of people swear by it - I just swear at it. I still love the mustard 
> > > based sauces the best. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:48 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > >  
> > > 
> > >   
> > > I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the pines, in central 
> > > NC, tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip, where several 
> > > vintage aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork BBQ, too - 
> > > tangy red sauce, up there.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of good stuff 
> > > > like the practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs like we 
> > > > do here in South Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes, tho it 
> > > > doesn't go too well with the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that is 
> > > > traditional here.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:01 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > turquoiseb:
> > > > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > > >
> > > > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > > > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > > > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > > > > an hour. Go figure.
> > > > 
> > > > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > > > like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> > > > in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> > > > asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> > > > for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> > > > history to justify the lack of their own. 
> > > > 
> > > > The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
> > > > may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> > > > self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> > > > is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> > > > to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 
> > > > 
> > > > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > > > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > > > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > > > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > > > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> > > > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > > > of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[doctordumbass]

I remembered there are five pictures of the car, posted in the FFL Photos, 
under a folder called, "Jaguar XK8" - placed by me October 13, 2011, under 
another alias, *whynotnow7* - (was that OK, Bee?).

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> 1997-65k miles, gold with white interior, and it is the coupe.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > I had lunch in Santa Cruz, by the harbor, last week. Tempura shrimp, and 
> > > a margarita (OK, it was two...) on the rocks - Herradura silver. Good 
> > > time, and great view. Not much wind, haze on the far horizon. It looked 
> > > really calm on the ocean, until you looked at the point north, and saw 
> > > ten foot waves breaking.
> > > 
> > > I liked the youtube of the Jag Demo Derby, though always I have a soft 
> > > spot for the cat cars, so to see them getting tweaked wasn't always 
> > > pleasant. On the other hand, they are serious pieces of iron (~1900 kg.), 
> > > and it was pretty amazing to watch the dwindling survivors racing around 
> > > the track. Pretty much when you got hit directly, that was it.
> > 
> > Not sure which year your model is but it looks like lot of fun :-)
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6cwEBTJTRQ
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[seventhray27]

Ok, I'll chime in and brag a little.  Pappy's BBQ, rated number one by Zagat is 
in close proximity to our business.  And in fact today, they came by unanounced 
and provided lunch, free, to all our employees.  Turns out I had a lunch app't 
with another customer, but there was enough left over for me to bring home for 
the family.

We were one of their vendors when they first opened, and we got to know the 
owner.  Since then they've catered our Christmas party and some birthdays we 
celebrate and they never charge us.

In exchange, we try to offer them some of our services gratis, but they are far 
more generous to us than we are able to be to them.

BTW, I had lunch at Sybergs which is known for their mustard based chicken 
wings.  I love them.

http://www.zagat.com/r/pappys-smokehouse-st-louis

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> You definitely have more history with it than I do, though I enjoyed it a 
> lot, all the same.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I know its each to his own when it comes to bar-be-que - I grew up with the 
> > mustard base sauces for pork and chicken - a place that still exists called 
> > Wise's Barbeque - established back in the 1930's - I never knew about 
> > tomato based sauces till I was probably a teenager - I liked that too, 
> > especially on beef and chicken, but I never could get a taste for that 
> > nasty vinegar based Eastern North Carolina stuff that is essentially 
> > vinegar, sugar of various kinds and peppers - nasty nasty stuff but lots of 
> > people swear by it - I just swear at it. I still love the mustard based 
> > sauces the best. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____
> >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:48 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the pines, in central 
> > NC, tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip, where several 
> > vintage aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork BBQ, too - 
> > tangy red sauce, up there.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of good stuff 
> > > like the practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs like we do 
> > > here in South Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes, tho it 
> > > doesn't go too well with the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that is 
> > > traditional here.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:01 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > > >
> > > > turquoiseb:
> > > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > >
> > > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > > > an hour. Go figure.
> > > 
> > > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > > like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> > > in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> > > 
> > > It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> > > asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> > > for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> > > history to justify the lack of their own. 
> > > 
> > > The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
> > > may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> > > self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> > > is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> > > to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 
> > > 
> > > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> > > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > > of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[seventhray27]

Ok, I'll chime in and brag a little.  Pappy's BBQ, rated number one by
Zagat is in close proximity to our business.  And in fact today, they
came by unannounced and provided lunch, free, to all our employees. 
Turns out I had a lunch app't with another customer, but there was
enough left over for me to bring home for the family.

  We were one of their vendors when they first opened, and we got to know
the owner.  Since then they've catered our Christmas party and some
birthdays we celebrate and they never charge us.

  In exchange, we try to offer them some of our services gratis, but they
are far more generous to us than we are able to be to them.

  BTW, I had lunch at Sybergs which is known for their mustard based
chicken wings.  I love them

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zagat/best-barbecue-restaurants_b_935111.h\
tml#s340287&title=1_Pappys_Smokehouse
<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zagat/best-barbecue-restaurants_b_935111.\
html#s340287&title=1_Pappys_Smokehouse>




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> You definitely have more history with it than I do, though I enjoyed
it a lot, all the same.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > I know its each to his own when it comes to bar-be-que - I grew up
with the mustard base sauces for pork and chicken - a place that still
exists called Wise's Barbeque - established back in the 1930's - I never
knew about tomato based sauces till I was probably a teenager - I liked
that too, especially on beef and chicken, but I never could get a taste
for that nasty vinegar based Eastern North Carolina stuff that is
essentially vinegar, sugar of various kinds and peppers - nasty nasty
stuff but lots of people swear by it - I just swear at it. I still love
the mustard based sauces the best.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: "doctordumbass@"
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:48 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> >
> >
> > Â
> > I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the pines, in
central NC, tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip, where
several vintage aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork
BBQ, too - tangy red sauce, up there.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of good
stuff like the practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs like
we do here in South Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes, tho
it doesn't go too well with the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that is
traditional here.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: turquoiseb
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:01 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > >
> > >
> > > ÂÂ
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > > >
> > > > turquoiseb:
> > > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > >
> > > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri
> > > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And
> > > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for
> > > > an hour. Go figure.
> > >
> > > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > > like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> > > in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> > >
> > > It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> > > asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> > > for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> > > history to justify the lack of their own.
> > >
> > > The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or
> > > may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> > > self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> > > is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> > > to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory.
> > >
> > > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a
> > > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > > of the TMO, and yourself. :-)
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

"I repeat my challenge, which you ignored. Tell us,
*on the basis of your own PERSONAL experience* why
you think the puja is anything more than just words
chanted and moods made.

We'll wait..."

WTF is this, dueling pistols at twenty paces?? Imperious Caesar? Who do think 
you are? ...get stuffed...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Uh, Gee, Barry - It sure looks to me, and everyone else 
> > here, that *you* got YER BUTTONS PUSHED. Karma's a bitch, 
> > ain't she?? :-)
> 
> So you're essentially saying that you have ZERO 
> experiential basis on which to discuss the puja
> and its supposed effects, right? And instead of
> owning up to this, you're trying to claim that
> *I* am the one who got his buttons pushed. 
> 
> May I remind you of who was the "primal button
> pusher" in this scenario, as the result of nothing
> more than relating my own personal experience. Since
> you have NONE, you rely on demonization and the
> other classic tactics of the TM TB cultists. 
> 
> I repeat my challenge, which you ignored. Tell us,
> *on the basis of your own PERSONAL experience* why
> you think the puja is anything more than just words
> chanted and moods made. 
> 
> We'll wait...
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Agreed. Those who continue to say that there is no 
> > > > transcendental value in the Puja are simply parroting 
> > > > the values of the material world we live in. 
> > > 
> > > Sorta the same way you're parroting things TOLD to
> > > you by people you consider "authorities?" At least
> > > *we* are speaking from our own experience. How many
> > > pujas have *you* performed?
> > > 
> > > > Lazy, confused minds, much more willingness to flow 
> > > > with the incomplete values of this world's consciousness, 
> > > > than attempting something different, something new, 
> > > > outside the boundaries of common experience.
> > > 
> > > Ahem. *I* am the one speaking "out of the box" here.
> > > *You* are the one invoking old mood-makey things you
> > > have been TOLD. Again, *I* am the one speaking from
> > > experience, whereas *you* are talking from theory.
> > > 
> > > > Materialism is an awesome blindness, because it can 
> > > > never be disproved. It is the safest harbor from 
> > > > reality that there is. :-)  
> > > 
> > > Some would say that is has a great deal more to do
> > > with reality than believing in things you've only been
> > > TOLD about by others, with no experience of personally.
> > > Or correct me here...how many pujas have you performed
> > > in your life, Jimbo? I've done thousands. And *on the
> > > basis of that experience*, I think that their supposed
> > > "effect" can be almost completely written off to the
> > > placebo factor, and moodmaking. 
> > > 
> > > I *understand* that others -- IMO those who still cannot
> > > break free from the conditioning of what they have been
> > > TOLD about the puja, during the same instruction in which
> > > they were TOLD to moodmake while performing it -- may not
> > > agree, and may hold to "good experiences" they had while
> > > performing puja. Me, I have no such allegiances to the
> > > past, or to past beliefs. I never noticed much of an effect
> > > from the puja, even after following all of Maharishi's
> > > instructions to the letter, and trying to moodmake myself
> > > *into* having a "good experience" the way I was told to. 
> > > Therefore, in retrospect, *based on my own personal
> > > experience*, I have to believe that what I was TOLD about
> > > the puja was flowery bullshit. 
> > > 
> > > Please explain to us the basis on which you believe it's
> > > more than that. We'll wait. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, Tom Ball was a good friend of mine back in the day.  I think he
> > > > > threaded the needle pretty well  here.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And just like Tom to address it pretty much head on.  I like that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ah, the Puja.  Just thinking about it makes me what to pull out my 
> > > > > set,
> > > > > each piece wrapped in an ochre colored bag, I had specially made.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I haven't sung the Puja in some time, but Michael, you have been
> > > > > inspiring me to get back in that mode.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And yes, I always felt the Puja did just what it was supposed to do - 
> > > > > prepare the ground for the imparting of the mantra.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is what good old Tom Ball, Re-certified Governor of North
> > > > > Carolina says on his blog and website about TM:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But doesn't the Transcendental Meditatio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[doctordumbass]

Aww c'mon, authfriend, one of us HAS to become the zombie slave of the other. 
For Turqy's sake, pretty please?? Otherwise, his world begins to crumble, and 
THAT is BAD NEWS, emanating from his keyboard as effortlessly as bad breath. 
So, whadd'ya say?  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly
> > > diminishing mental abilities, though.
> > > 
> > > DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he
> > > ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with
> > > regard to driving a car.
> > 
> > "DrD?" Are you afraid to refer to him as Jim, 
> > having previously placed your reputation as
> > an editor on the line as denying that he was
> > pretending to be some of the other characters
> > he has pretended to be? :-)
> 
> Uh, no. Just observing standard netiquette. He
> doesn't intimidate me as he does you.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
*SNIP*
> > > IMHO, puja is all about moodmaking and the
> > > placebo effect, both for the people performing
> > > them, and for the people watching them and being
> > > instructed in some puja-accompanied technique.
> >
> > Said like the true cynic that you are. I am not saying you
> > are wrong, it is just that this is exactly what I would expect
> > you to say. Whether you truly believe it or not I don't know.
> > But it certainly is a sweeping dismissal of the power or
> > effect of the puja on its participants.
>
> Right, I think we all knew this post was coming.  There may be
> some legitimate things here, but it is kind of funny that it
> was probably anticipated by many.

Well, he made almost the same post back in November 2011 when
the topic of the puja came up, so this one didn't exactly
come as a surprise, no. Barry is nothing if not predictable.

(Except that back then he explicitly declined to use the term
"placebo effect" with regard to the experiences generated by
the puja.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Michael Jackson:
> > > > I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
> > >
> > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> >
> > IMHO, puja is all about moodmaking and the
> > placebo effect, both for the people performing
> > them, and for the people watching them and being
> > instructed in some puja-accompanied technique.
>
> Said like the true cynic that you are. I am not saying you are wrong,
it is just that this is exactly what I would expect you to say. Whether
you truly believe it or not I don't know. But it certainly is a sweeping
dismissal of the power or effect of the puja on its participants.
Right, I think we all knew this post was coming.  There may be some
legitimate things here, but it is kind of funny that it was probably
anticipated by many.
> > TM teachers are actually instructed *to* moodmake
> > while performing the puja, and to "dwell on the
> > meaning of the words" while performing one.
>
> I wouldn't know about that but other teachers here would. Can anyone
who are TM teachers here confirm that?
No, it is not moodmaking IMO.  Although I have not performed a puja in
sometime, the idea is that when making the offerings,  you remain open
to the upcharge of feeling for that offering - if it comes.  My
understanding of moodmaking is that you force something, or try to
create a feeling.  This was not my instruction for performing the puja. 
My instruction was to leave the mind open to such a feeling should it
arrive.
> > Although there are undoubtedly people here who
> > would disagree with me, I never felt much of any-
> > thing while performing a puja. I don't believe
> > that the puja has *anything whatsoever* to do with
> > the effective "transmission of a mantra" or whether
> > the student derives any benefit from the meditation
> > being taught.
>
> Too bad. Sounds like you missed out a bit there. I'm not even a
teacher and I am far, far from a moodmaker but boy, did those pujas feel
GREAT - not based on my ideas of what they were supposed to do either.

> > I have been instructed in mantra-based techniques
> > that involved the chanting of a puja, and in tech-
> > niques that were taught in a group, with no "bells
> > and whistles" at all, just "Here's the mantra." I
> > found no difference the students' experiences --
> > mine or other people's.
>
> I couldn't compare since the only technique I was ever officially
taught was TM.
> >
> > I think it's ALL bells and whistles. For the teachers,
> > to lead them to believe that they are part of a long
> > "tradition" that, in the case of TM at least, does
> > not even exist -- Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > and there is no record of it being taught similarly
> > that anyone can produce. In the case of the people
> > being taught, witnessing a ceremony they don't under-
> > stand, or even understand the language of, invokes
> > their inherent sense of Woo Woo, and leads them to
> > believe that there is something mystical going on.
>
> Not for me. It was just a ceremony, an experience, and a very nice one
at that. I would love to have a puja performed in my presence every day.
It's as pleasant as eating a great meal, having a massage or watching a
great movie in some ways. A pleasurable, pleasant, satisfying activity
in and of itself - no ideas, no trappings of great philosophy just
simply enjoying and receiving an experience. Of course, it could be more
than that too if you wanted to focus on it but for me it was a stand
alone deal.
> >
> > I don't think there is. I think it's all moodmaking.
>
> Placebo, moodmaking, what does it matter? If you feel something, you
feel something and if you don't, you don't. One or the other is neither
wrong or right, better or worse. Let the masses swoon in delight if they
want and you can sit back and smirk from the sidelines as you switch
channels to another cop show. Each to his own.
I never experienced anything dramatic other than a quieting of the
atmosphere, the focussing my attention and that of the student on the 
ceremony, and then the imparting of the mantra.  And it seemed to work
in giving people an experience of transcendence.  Sometimes deep, and
sometimes shallow.
> > The TM puja does nothing more than chanting a Catholic
> > mass in Latin would do
>
> I always loved that too. Having been raised Catholic and being old
enough (born in 1956) meant I was able to experience Latin masses as a
young child. I loved the incense, the chanting, the Latin. I guess I
like ritual and ceremony to a certain extent anyway, no matter what
tradition it comes from. So maybe I'm a sucker.
And of course you have clairvoyants such as Charles Leadbetter, an early
Theosophist, who saw celestial structures being created during the
Catholic Mass.
> >, or chanting nonsense words in
> > a made-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly
> > diminishing mental abilities, though.
> > 
> > DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he
> > ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with
> > regard to driving a car.
> 
> "DrD?" Are you afraid to refer to him as Jim, 
> having previously placed your reputation as
> an editor on the line as denying that he was
> pretending to be some of the other characters
> he has pretended to be? :-)

Uh, no. Just observing standard netiquette. He
doesn't intimidate me as he does you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[doctordumbass]

Something to that, especially around here, with micro-climates, mountains, bay 
and coast, all within a few miles. I hit black ice twice, on curves, and tore 
up the car I was driving, both times. Can't see it in the dark, and the 
steering goes inop - very scary. 

Also driving in San Francisco, which has slightly more hills than Holland, I 
was driving on Judah, parallel to Golden Gate Park, and someone ran a stop sign 
on my right, and they were suddenly halfway in front of me, and I was about to 
crash into them. I jerked the car left instinctively, and they must have seen 
me by then, and braked. Made it through unscathed, though driving in the City 
can be crazy time. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> > > the car doesn't out-think me. 
> > 
> > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
> > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)
> > 
> > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
> > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
> > Jag, and they never out-thought me. 
> 
> 
> And you probably never owned anything faster than a Peugeot either :-)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8UIC95JhKE
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

You definitely have more history with it than I do, though I enjoyed it a lot, 
all the same.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I know its each to his own when it comes to bar-be-que - I grew up with the 
> mustard base sauces for pork and chicken - a place that still exists called 
> Wise's Barbeque - established back in the 1930's - I never knew about tomato 
> based sauces till I was probably a teenager - I liked that too, especially on 
> beef and chicken, but I never could get a taste for that nasty vinegar based 
> Eastern North Carolina stuff that is essentially vinegar, sugar of various 
> kinds and peppers - nasty nasty stuff but lots of people swear by it - I just 
> swear at it. I still love the mustard based sauces the best. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:48 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
>  
> 
>   
> I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the pines, in central NC, 
> tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip, where several vintage 
> aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork BBQ, too - tangy red 
> sauce, up there.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of good stuff like 
> > the practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs like we do here in 
> > South Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes, tho it doesn't go too 
> > well with the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that is traditional here.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:01 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > >
> > > turquoiseb:
> > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > >
> > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > > an hour. Go figure.
> > 
> > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> > in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> > 
> > It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> > asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> > for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> > history to justify the lack of their own. 
> > 
> > The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
> > may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> > self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> > is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> > to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 
> > 
> > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[doctordumbass]

1997-65k miles, gold with white interior, and it is the coupe.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > I had lunch in Santa Cruz, by the harbor, last week. Tempura shrimp, and a 
> > margarita (OK, it was two...) on the rocks - Herradura silver. Good time, 
> > and great view. Not much wind, haze on the far horizon. It looked really 
> > calm on the ocean, until you looked at the point north, and saw ten foot 
> > waves breaking.
> > 
> > I liked the youtube of the Jag Demo Derby, though always I have a soft spot 
> > for the cat cars, so to see them getting tweaked wasn't always pleasant. On 
> > the other hand, they are serious pieces of iron (~1900 kg.), and it was 
> > pretty amazing to watch the dwindling survivors racing around the track. 
> > Pretty much when you got hit directly, that was it.
> 
> Not sure which year your model is but it looks like lot of fun :-)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6cwEBTJTRQ
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

The Police, Donna Summer, Members Only jackets, and guys with perms - lol

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > >
> > > turquoiseb:
> > > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > >
> > > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > > an hour. Go figure.
> > 
> > Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> > like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> > in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> > 
> > It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> > asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> > for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> > history to justify the lack of their own. 
> > 
> > The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
> > may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> > self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> > is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> > to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 
> > 
> > To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> > pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> > during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> > NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> > simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> > somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> > of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
> 
> I think what put him on that higher plane, and so obvious once you actually 
> look, was Rama's lid. That "do" of his could only characterize one who is 
> clearly ahead of the rest of us. Although vintage 80's it is timeless and 
> absolute in its very essence.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[doctordumbass]

What character are you pretending to be? I'd freshen the script, if I were you. 
Verrry stale performance from you these days. And you know what, Barry? I AM 
ENLIGHTENED. Just thought I'd egg you on a bit - I do have my naughty side.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly
> > diminishing mental abilities, though.
> > 
> > DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he
> > ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with
> > regard to driving a car.
> 
> "DrD?" Are you afraid to refer to him as Jim, 
> having previously placed your reputation as
> an editor on the line as denying that he was
> pretending to be some of the other characters
> he has pretended to be? :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Share Long]

FFL is testosterone central today what with the cars and the Python 
discussions.  I'm enjoying.  Also because eye doc told me eyes are doing good, 
pre glaucoma and retinal thinning are holding.  And I didn't even use the drops 
he gave me last time!  Yahoo!  





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle 
> the Mercury hunk of tin I drive

Understood, and appreciated. :-) I've just been fortunate
enough to have been considered enough of a "car reviewer" 
earlier in life that people later in that life allow me
to drive their supercars from time to time, just to get
my impressions of them. The results of these experiments
are never short of FUN, and almost always interesting
excursions into the limits of what human engineering
can facilitate. Driving a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta ranks
right up there with any of the enlightenment experiences
I've ever had. :-)

> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> > the car doesn't out-think me. 
> 
> NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
> testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)
> 
> I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
> triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
> Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does 
> that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior,
> enlightened abilities? :-)
> 
> Now we'll just sit back and see whether the
> supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist 
> having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Ravi Chivukula]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > On 01/22/2013 03:22 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
> > >
> > > So to all you TM teachers or former TM teachers, what
> > > is the puja actually for of the above possibilities
> > > or is it something different altogether? Or a combo
> > > of the above?
> >
> > All the puja does is charge up the initiator with enough
> > shakti to make the mantra enlivened.
>
> According to whom? Please show us "shakti," or
> prove that it exists. We'll wait. :-)
>

You are on the losing side of this Barry. Think about it - For me puja
is similar to sex - even a die-hard atheist like Curtis would agree
there is shakti or energy in sex. I associate all the steps in puja
similar to foreplay and the goddess as the beloved. The sense of
intimacy, love you feel in the act of foreplay or the steps in pooja
can't be discounted. Having said that I would always choose sex,
intimacy with a real woman over pooja with a fantasized goddess but I
won't deride pooja like you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> > > the car doesn't out-think me. 
> > 
> > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
> > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)
> > 
> > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
> > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
> > Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does 
> > that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior,
> > enlightened abilities? :-)

Funny thing is, my husband has owned umpteen Porsches including this twin turbo 
thing and although that sucker could really move and was this beast of a car, 
no matter how much horsepower any car possesses, getting on a single 
horse(power) with a mind of its own coupled with being too fresh or really 
scared beats all those cars for adrenaline rush, hands down. Try is sometime, 
Turkey, it'll knock your socks right off.
> 
> Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly
> diminishing mental abilities, though.
> 
> DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he
> ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with
> regard to driving a car.
> 
> So once again your angst to put someone down who has
> pushed your buttons has just made you look like a
> really stupid, out-of-it guy whose buttons have been
> seriously pushed. ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Now we'll just sit back and see whether the
> > supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist 
> > having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > >
> > turquoiseb:
> > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> >
> > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > an hour. Go figure.
> 
> Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> 
> It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> history to justify the lack of their own. 
> 
> The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
> may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 
> 
> To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)

I think what put him on that higher plane, and so obvious once you actually 
look, was Rama's lid. That "do" of his could only characterize one who is 
clearly ahead of the rest of us. Although vintage 80's it is timeless and 
absolute in its very essence.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > >
> > turquoiseb:
> > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> >
> > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > an hour. Go figure.
> 
> Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> 
> It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> history to justify the lack of their own. 
> 
> The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
> may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 
> 
> To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)

I think what put him on that higher plane, and so obvious once you actually 
look, was Rama's lid. That "do" of his could only characterize one who is 
clearly ahead of the rest of us. Although vintage 80's it is timeless and 
absolute in its very essence.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Michael Jackson]

Oh man I wish it had been ME driving that thing!!! Have you ever driven one of 
those Smart cars? I saw a guy the other night at a Bojangles of all places with 
one - it sure looked nice for a little sawed off thing - he was bragging on it 
right smart when I asked him about it.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle 
> the Mercury hunk of tin I drive

Understood, and appreciated. :-) I've just been fortunate
enough to have been considered enough of a "car reviewer" 
earlier in life that people later in that life allow me
to drive their supercars from time to time, just to get
my impressions of them. The results of these experiments
are never short of FUN, and almost always interesting
excursions into the limits of what human engineering
can facilitate. Driving a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta ranks
right up there with any of the enlightenment experiences
I've ever had. :-)

> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> > the car doesn't out-think me. 
> 
> NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
> testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)
> 
> I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
> triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
> Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does 
> that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior,
> enlightened abilities? :-)
> 
> Now we'll just sit back and see whether the
> supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist 
> having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly
> diminishing mental abilities, though.
> 
> DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he
> ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with
> regard to driving a car.

"DrD?" Are you afraid to refer to him as Jim, 
having previously placed your reputation as
an editor on the line as denying that he was
pretending to be some of the other characters
he has pretended to be? :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> > the car doesn't out-think me. 
> 
> NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
> testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)
> 
> I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
> triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
> Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does 
> that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior,
> enlightened abilities? :-)

Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly
diminishing mental abilities, though.

DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he
ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with
regard to driving a car.

So once again your angst to put someone down who has
pushed your buttons has just made you look like a
really stupid, out-of-it guy whose buttons have been
seriously pushed. ;-)



> 
> Now we'll just sit back and see whether the
> supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist 
> having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle 
> the Mercury hunk of tin I drive

Understood, and appreciated. :-) I've just been fortunate
enough to have been considered enough of a "car reviewer" 
earlier in life that people later in that life allow me
to drive their supercars from time to time, just to get
my impressions of them. The results of these experiments
are never short of FUN, and almost always interesting
excursions into the limits of what human engineering
can facilitate. Driving a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta ranks
right up there with any of the enlightenment experiences
I've ever had. :-)

> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> > the car doesn't out-think me. 
> 
> NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
> testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)
> 
> I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
> triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
> Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does 
> that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior,
> enlightened abilities? :-)
> 
> Now we'll just sit back and see whether the
> supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist 
> having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> > the car doesn't out-think me. 
> 
> NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
> testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)
> 
> I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
> triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
> Jag, and they never out-thought me. 


And you probably never owned anything faster than a Peugeot either :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8UIC95JhKE

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Michael Jackson]

I know its each to his own when it comes to bar-be-que - I grew up with the 
mustard base sauces for pork and chicken - a place that still exists called 
Wise's Barbeque - established back in the 1930's - I never knew about tomato 
based sauces till I was probably a teenager - I liked that too, especially on 
beef and chicken, but I never could get a taste for that nasty vinegar based 
Eastern North Carolina stuff that is essentially vinegar, sugar of various 
kinds and peppers - nasty nasty stuff but lots of people swear by it - I just 
swear at it. I still love the mustard based sauces the best. 





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
 

  
I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the pines, in central NC, 
tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip, where several vintage 
aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork BBQ, too - tangy red 
sauce, up there.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of good stuff like 
> the practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs like we do here in 
> South Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes, tho it doesn't go too 
> well with the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that is traditional here.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:01 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > >
> > turquoiseb:
> > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> >
> > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > an hour. Go figure.
> 
> Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> 
> It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> history to justify the lack of their own. 
> 
> The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
> may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 
> 
> To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Michael Jackson]

you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle the Mercury hunk of tin 
I drive





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> the car doesn't out-think me. 

NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)

I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does 
that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior,
enlightened abilities? :-)

Now we'll just sit back and see whether the
supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist 
having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> I had lunch in Santa Cruz, by the harbor, last week. Tempura shrimp, and a 
> margarita (OK, it was two...) on the rocks - Herradura silver. Good time, and 
> great view. Not much wind, haze on the far horizon. It looked really calm on 
> the ocean, until you looked at the point north, and saw ten foot waves 
> breaking.
> 
> I liked the youtube of the Jag Demo Derby, though always I have a soft spot 
> for the cat cars, so to see them getting tweaked wasn't always pleasant. On 
> the other hand, they are serious pieces of iron (~1900 kg.), and it was 
> pretty amazing to watch the dwindling survivors racing around the track. 
> Pretty much when you got hit directly, that was it.

Not sure which year your model is but it looks like lot of fun :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6cwEBTJTRQ

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with 
> an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. 
> It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very 
> spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
> the car doesn't out-think me. 

NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful 
testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-)

I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with 
triple the horsepower and torque of your puny 
Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does 
that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior,
enlightened abilities? :-)

Now we'll just sit back and see whether the
supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist 
having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

I remember a BBQ joint down some back road through the pines, in central NC, 
tin roof and cooking pork - next to a dirt airstrip, where several vintage 
aircraft were doing touch and gos - good pulled pork BBQ, too - tangy red 
sauce, up there.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of good stuff like 
> the practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs like we do here in 
> South Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes, tho it doesn't go too 
> well with the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that is traditional here.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:01 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > >
> > turquoiseb:
> > > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> >
> > Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> > Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> > Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> > an hour. Go figure.
> 
> Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
> like this to justify your pitiful existence there
> in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)
> 
> It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
> asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
> for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
> history to justify the lack of their own. 
> 
> The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
> may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
> self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
> is that he would have been the last person on Earth
> to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 
> 
> To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
> pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
> during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
> NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
> simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
> somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
> of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[doctordumbass]

I had lunch in Santa Cruz, by the harbor, last week. Tempura shrimp, and a 
margarita (OK, it was two...) on the rocks - Herradura silver. Good time, and 
great view. Not much wind, haze on the far horizon. It looked really calm on 
the ocean, until you looked at the point north, and saw ten foot waves breaking.

I liked the youtube of the Jag Demo Derby, though always I have a soft spot for 
the cat cars, so to see them getting tweaked wasn't always pleasant. On the 
other hand, they are serious pieces of iron (~1900 kg.), and it was pretty 
amazing to watch the dwindling survivors racing around the track. Pretty much 
when you got hit directly, that was it.

My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with an additional 100 
horsepower, and two additional cylinders. It is also a drive by wire vehicle, 
like an aircraft. Very spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful 
the car doesn't out-think me. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new
> > > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last
> > > time he was here.
> 
> It's probably the fellow who posted endless reports about taking the bus, 
> chatting with people, eating, and meditating in a rooms as if these 
> activities were infinately more interesting because they were performed in 
> India :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Michael Jackson]

Now now Barry - Texas ain't no outhouse - they got lots of good stuff like the 
practice of using cows to bar-b-que instead of hawgs like we do here in South 
Carolina. I like that bar-b-que beef sometimes, tho it doesn't go too well with 
the mustard based bar-b-que sauce that is traditional here.






 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > >
> turquoiseb:
> > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
>
> Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> an hour. Go figure.

Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
like this to justify your pitiful existence there
in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)

It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
history to justify the lack of their own. 

The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
is that he would have been the last person on Earth
to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 

To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > >
> turquoiseb:
> > Maharishi invented the TM technique,
>
> Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
> Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
> Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
> an hour. Go figure.

Richard, I truly pity you, having to make up shit
like this to justify your pitiful existence there
in the shithole universally known as Texas. :-)

It's *not* as if I feel any obligation to the NPD
asshole known as Rama. It's just that I feel pity
for anyone who needs to use his pitiful spiritual
history to justify the lack of their own. 

The Rama guy *despised* Sri Chinmoy. That may or 
may not have been a product of his own paranoia and
self importance...I don't know. All that I do know
is that he would have been the last person on Earth
to do anything that would honor Chinmoy's memory. 

To his credit, there were NEVER any ceremonies or
pujas or other honorific ceremonies ever performed
during the entire time I studied with Rama. That is
NOT to say that he was a Good Guy -- he wasn't --
simply to suggest that that he was functioning on a 
somewhat higher plane than the Hindu supremicists
of the TMO, and yourself.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[nablusoss1008]

 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new
> > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last
> > time he was here.

It's probably the fellow who posted endless reports about taking the bus, 
chatting with people, eating, and meditating in a rooms as if these activities 
were infinately more interesting because they were performed in India :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
 

> Some would say that is has a great deal more to do
> with reality than believing in things you've only been
> TOLD about by others, with no experience of personally.
> Or correct me here...how many pujas have you performed
> in your life, Jimbo? I've done thousands. And *on the
> basis of that experience*, I think that their supposed
> "effect" can be almost completely written off to the
> placebo factor, and moodmaking. 
> 
> I *understand* that others -- IMO those who still cannot
> break free from the conditioning of what they have been
> TOLD about the puja, during the same instruction in which
> they were TOLD to moodmake while performing it -- may not
> agree, and may hold to "good experiences" they had while
> performing puja. Me, I have no such allegiances to the
> past, or to past beliefs. I never noticed much of an effect
> from the puja, even after following all of Maharishi's
> instructions to the letter, and trying to moodmake myself
> *into* having a "good experience" the way I was told to. 
> Therefore, in retrospect, *based on my own personal
> experience*, I have to believe that what I was TOLD about
> the puja was flowery bullshit. 
> 
> Please explain to us the basis on which you believe it's
> more than that. We'll wait. 
> 

I don't think there's any harm in sharing the following from "The Holy 
Tradition" booklet that was given to new initiators on the early courses...in 
other words, I don't remember being instructed not to share it. It makes 
perfect sense to me that performance of the puja (referred to as the Invocation 
in the following) being on one level a very mechanical process whereby all the 
parts come together, no matter how briefly, to give the experience of 
enlightenment...that is, if you believe such things. Although the days of 20+ 
initiations in a single day are long past, there can be no doubt that the 
initiator was in an altered state at the end of a Saturday full of initiations. 
Instructed to moodmake on TTC? Not at all...in fact, we were warned not to. We 
were taught to follow the mechanical steps of the teaching to both protect the 
consistency...dare I say purity...of it, as well as with practice becoming so 
good at all the parts simultaneously flowing together, as in the case of the 
puja, that we caught a glimpse of our very nature.

>From "The Holy Tradition":

"How does the procedure of the Invocation help the initiator's awareness to 
reach the deeper levels of his inner consciousness while he yet remains alert 
and active? It is not enough to let his awareness reach those quieter levels 
which meditators experience when they have a few moments of silence during the 
day. In order that he may operate while awareness maintains a deep level of 
silence, his intellect should be awake.

"The traditional procedure of the Invocation is such that awareness 
automatically reaches the required depth and picks up the mantra to be passed 
on to the one being initiated. The mechanics by which this process brings the 
initiator's awareness to deeper levels lie basically in the ability to 
pronounce the words of the Invocation while making the movements of the 
offerings as his intellect floats on the meaning of the spoken words. This 
harmony of thought, speech, and action is a counterpart of the harmony between 
his ego, intellect, mind, and senses. As practice advances, this harmony 
increases and he fathoms deeper levels of silence while still maintaining 
activity of thought, speech. and action.

"Being able increasingly to maintain deep inner awareness along with thought, 
speech, and action is a direct means of developing cosmic consciousness. In 
this way, the initiator is rising to cosmic consciousness as he leads each new 
initiate into transcendental consciousness. This explains why and how the 
initiator feels more and more surcharged with rising waves of cosmic 
consciousness which bring greater intelligence, energy, happiness, and 
fulfillment."

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Richard J. Williams]

> > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> >
turquoiseb:
> Maharishi invented the TM technique,
>
Apparently the Rama guy used to put up a photo of Sri 
Chinmoy and called it 'the transcendental'. LoL! And 
Rama's students would perform a puja and meditate for 
an hour. Go figure.

In reality there's no such thing as 'TM' - that's 
just an acronym you teachers made up to impress the 
public. 

According to historians, yoga meditation has been in 
existence in India since at least the timeof the 
historical Buddha. Mantra usage was probably introduced 
during the Gupta Age in India, according to Eliade.

> and there is no record of it being taught similarly
> that anyone can produce.
>
'TM' style meditation is probably the most popular 
form of meditation on the entire planet, from MMY, 
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, and the Deepackage. 

>From what I've read, the TM bija mantras come from the 
Sri Vidya tradition of Karnataka - at lesat three TM 
bijas are listed in the Soundaryalahari by the Adi 
Shanakaracharya. 

Centering - An excerpt from the Bhairava Tantra, 
translated by Swami by Laksmanjoo:

7. Devi, imagine the Sanskrit letters in these 
honey-filled foci of awareness, first as letters, then 
more subtly as sounds, then as most subtle feeling. 
Then, leaving them aside, be free.

14. Bathe in the center of sound, as in the continuous 
sound of a waterfall. Or, by putting fingers in ears, 
hear the sound of sounds. 

19. Intone a sound audibly, then less and less audible 
as feeling deepens into this silent harmony.

According to John Hughes, a TM Meditator (TTC 1968), 
Kashmir Tantracsm agrees with many of MMY's teachings 
concerning meditation, bija mantras, and siddha yoga. 
I have posted two exerpts from my sources in a separate 
thread: one is called 'Centering', a translation by the 
Swami Lachmanjoo, and the second an excerpt by Theos 
Bernard, the definitive descriptive introduction to the 
philosophy of Kashmir Saivism, which shows many 
affinities with the description of the yoga philosophy 
given by MMY. 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[merudanda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSGscLPNRKU

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> *That* is amazing, almost otherwordly! I saw the horse show, Cavalia,
last year, and it really brought out the intelligence, grace,
sensitivity, and strength of horses, and the unimaginable skill of those
who ride them.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
> > >
> > > love your post ,Ann
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > snip
> > >   So maybe I'm a sucker.
> > >   Please stay that way,Ann
> > > and I may saddle and ride my white horse like a slow motion-sea
horses
> > > ride the ebbing tide
> > >
> > > Galloping the atmosphere;
> > > Pasture in the sky
> > > Watch the fog roll in!
> > > Isn't it
> > > Somehow full of mystery
> > > Riding a white horse?
> >   [SO beautiful!!]
> >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new
> handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last
> time he was here.

Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

I can easily stimulate the same effect today, by listening to a recording of 
the Vedas, chanted by those trained to do so. Its simply a continuation of the 
life that many have decided ends at the gross (vs. subtle) senses. Has nothing 
to do with the Puja, per se. The transcendence during the Puja is just a way 
into a fuller expression of reality, intimately connected to the everyday 
world. Too bad guys like Barry have to throw a shit fit about it.:-) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Agreed. Those who continue to say that there is no 
> > > transcendental value in the Puja are simply parroting 
> > > the values of the material world we live in. 
> > 
> > Sorta the same way you're parroting things TOLD to
> > you by people you consider "authorities?" At least
> > *we* are speaking from our own experience. How many
> > pujas have *you* performed?
> 
> Actually, experience of the transcendental value in the
> puja is not limited only to those who have performed it.
> It can have an effect on those who witness it as well.
> 
> 
> > Some would say that is has a great deal more to do
> > with reality than believing in things you've only been
> > TOLD about by others, with no experience of personally.
> > Or correct me here...how many pujas have you performed
> > in your life, Jimbo? I've done thousands. And *on the
> > basis of that experience*, I think that their supposed
> > "effect" can be almost completely written off to the
> > placebo factor, and moodmaking. 
> > 
> > I *understand* that others -- IMO those who still cannot
> > break free from the conditioning of what they have been
> > TOLD about the puja, during the same instruction in which
> > they were TOLD to moodmake while performing it -- may not
> > agree, and may hold to "good experiences" they had while
> > performing puja. Me, I have no such allegiances to the
> > past, or to past beliefs. I never noticed much of an effect
> > from the puja, even after following all of Maharishi's
> > instructions to the letter, and trying to moodmake myself
> > *into* having a "good experience" the way I was told to. 
> > Therefore, in retrospect, *based on my own personal
> > experience*, I have to believe that what I was TOLD about
> > the puja was flowery bullshit.
> 
> Translation: If you've never done the puja yourself, you're
> simply parroting flowery bullshit.
> 
> If you *have* done the puja yourself, you're also simply
> parroting flowery bullshit.
> 
> This is because, if Barry didn't notice much of an effect
> from performing the puja, nobody else really could have
> either. It can't be the case that the puja actually does
> have an effect to which Barry was somehow immune.
> 
> DrD, you might want to ask Barry to comment on the quotes
> I just put up from Robin's 2011 post in response to the
> same assertions as Barry made them back then. At the time,
> Barry had no reply.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Jackson:
> > > > > > I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > >
> > > > IMHO, puja is all about moodmaking and the
> > > > placebo effect, both for the people performing
> > > > them, and for the people watching them and being
> > > > instructed in some puja-accompanied technique.
> > >
> > > Said like the true cynic that you are. I am not saying you are
wrong, it is just that this is exactly what I would expect you to say.
Whether you truly believe it or not I don't know. But it certainly is a
sweeping dismissal of the power or effect of the puja on its
participants.
> > > >
> > > > TM teachers are actually instructed *to* moodmake
> > > > while performing the puja, and to "dwell on the
> > > > meaning of the words" while performing one.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't know about that but other teachers here would. Can
anyone who are TM teachers here confirm that?
> >
> > Yes, it's certainly true. TM teachers usually don't talk about that,
as it's part of the agreement from that they don't talk about any of the
confidential aspects of the teaching. There is something called meaning
and feeling, that you have to hold in your mind while performing the
puja. There are actually 4 layers: The original sanskrit, the translated
meaning, the associated feeling, and a symbolic short explanation, and
as a fifth layer, the action of offerings. And you are tested for that
too, under real-life conditions.
>
> I understand holding the meaning and the feeling together as you
perform the puja but would you characterize that as having been, as a
teacher of TM "... instruct[ed] to moodmake while performing the
puja..."?
certainly not instructed since as above mentioned should be the result
of a multifaceted layer by layer gentle confidential approach of month
long training and exposure
BTW
thanks for breathtaking photo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[authfriend]

BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new
handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last
time he was here.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I appreciate everything you say here.  It makes me think.  And also I'm 
> remembering:  I worked on MIU staff for 1 year and that credit paid for 
> eight weeks of TMSP prep courses in 1977; I worked on MIU staff for 3 years 
> and that credit paid for an 11 month graduate program, MA in SCI; I received 
> a full scholarship for 3 years to earn an MS in Psychology; I currently go to 
> the Dome twice a day every day completely free of charge.  I understand that 
> others have had a different experience.  But I must honor my own experience 
> and it is that the TMO via MIU has been very generous towards me.  
> 
> Regarding the school children and the energy exchange:  perhaps they are 
> encouraged to offer a week's allowance or something like that.  If not, I'm 
> sure Beingness understands (-:
> 
> 
> As for the people responsible for high prices now:  if they are doing 
> something that is good on some level we cannot now see, then I'm happy for 
> their good karma; if they are doing something harmful, then I wish for them a 
> thorough and compassionate burning off of this bad karma.  Perhaps I'm being 
> too simple.  
> 
> 
> I agree that it is all quite absurd and complicated.  And yet to be a human 
> is an amazing thing even with complications and absurdities.    
> 
> 
> ____
>  From: navashok 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:20 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > I've heard that in the beginning Maharishi wanted to teach TM for free.
> 
> I have heard that too!
> 
> > Â  But the Westerners told him that people would not value it if it did 
> > not cost money. 
> 
> I know the logic, but it is over-extended here IMO. Now it's just all about 
> money. And it is simply not true that people can not value something that is 
> free, of course they can, lot's of rich people donate for free things. Think 
> about Ammachi, she does not charge anything, and yet her ashram must be one 
> of the richest in India. Same with Sai Baba (whatever you may think of him), 
> access to him was always free, and yet he gathered billions in donations.
> 
> There are also many people who think that true spirituality shouldn't cost 
> anything. You may not agree, but money puts an extra layer in at any 
> spiritual movement, and it complicates things. IMO the essential teaching of 
> any movement or religious organization should be either free or low cost and 
> affordable. There can be always 'add ons' spiritual articles that are not 
> essential for which you can charge, and which people like to have, like CD's, 
> books, Ayurvedic products etc. I am just here at an ashram in India, where 
> everything is either free or very low-cost, even books. I rent a room for 3$, 
> I eat in the dining hall for not even a dollar a day. Yes it is India, but it 
> is still very reduced even subsidized by the Ashram.
> 
> > When I began in 1975, the cost was one week's salary.  Also, I know some 
> > New Age teachers who say that there must be an exchange of energy in order 
> > for what they impart to be effective. 
> 
> Yes, I know, but that 'exchange' should be based on free will, on ones own 
> insight and appreciation, it shouldn't be forced onto people. Also the 
> economic situation of people may vary over time. Take as an example advanced 
> technique, they are highly recommended by the movement, and yet, for a very 
> small addition, you have to spend the same amount as for basic TM, which is 
> already overcharged. In this case you get clearly people, who surely 
> appreciate the technique, they have been practicing, but they can't go on to 
> a longer mantra, as they may just not have the money at hand. Here certainly 
> the logic doesn't hold true anymore. 
> 
> Also, people don't just value something, because it is overpriced. It always 
> depends on the competition, if you can get the same thing for free or for 
> much cheaper. Take the case of the iphone. In the beginning it had a 
> monopoly, it was the latest thing in town and a must have. Now the 
> competition is getting stronger, with Android phones being cheaper and also 
> getting better, the market share of the iphone is reduced, they either have 
> to introduce some new innovation or reduce the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Uh, Gee, Barry - It sure looks to me, and everyone else 
> here, that *you* got YER BUTTONS PUSHED. Karma's a bitch, 
> ain't she?? :-)

So you're essentially saying that you have ZERO 
experiential basis on which to discuss the puja
and its supposed effects, right? And instead of
owning up to this, you're trying to claim that
*I* am the one who got his buttons pushed. 

May I remind you of who was the "primal button
pusher" in this scenario, as the result of nothing
more than relating my own personal experience. Since
you have NONE, you rely on demonization and the
other classic tactics of the TM TB cultists. 

I repeat my challenge, which you ignored. Tell us,
*on the basis of your own PERSONAL experience* why
you think the puja is anything more than just words
chanted and moods made. 

We'll wait...

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Agreed. Those who continue to say that there is no 
> > > transcendental value in the Puja are simply parroting 
> > > the values of the material world we live in. 
> > 
> > Sorta the same way you're parroting things TOLD to
> > you by people you consider "authorities?" At least
> > *we* are speaking from our own experience. How many
> > pujas have *you* performed?
> > 
> > > Lazy, confused minds, much more willingness to flow 
> > > with the incomplete values of this world's consciousness, 
> > > than attempting something different, something new, 
> > > outside the boundaries of common experience.
> > 
> > Ahem. *I* am the one speaking "out of the box" here.
> > *You* are the one invoking old mood-makey things you
> > have been TOLD. Again, *I* am the one speaking from
> > experience, whereas *you* are talking from theory.
> > 
> > > Materialism is an awesome blindness, because it can 
> > > never be disproved. It is the safest harbor from 
> > > reality that there is. :-)  
> > 
> > Some would say that is has a great deal more to do
> > with reality than believing in things you've only been
> > TOLD about by others, with no experience of personally.
> > Or correct me here...how many pujas have you performed
> > in your life, Jimbo? I've done thousands. And *on the
> > basis of that experience*, I think that their supposed
> > "effect" can be almost completely written off to the
> > placebo factor, and moodmaking. 
> > 
> > I *understand* that others -- IMO those who still cannot
> > break free from the conditioning of what they have been
> > TOLD about the puja, during the same instruction in which
> > they were TOLD to moodmake while performing it -- may not
> > agree, and may hold to "good experiences" they had while
> > performing puja. Me, I have no such allegiances to the
> > past, or to past beliefs. I never noticed much of an effect
> > from the puja, even after following all of Maharishi's
> > instructions to the letter, and trying to moodmake myself
> > *into* having a "good experience" the way I was told to. 
> > Therefore, in retrospect, *based on my own personal
> > experience*, I have to believe that what I was TOLD about
> > the puja was flowery bullshit. 
> > 
> > Please explain to us the basis on which you believe it's
> > more than that. We'll wait. 
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey, Tom Ball was a good friend of mine back in the day.  I think he
> > > > threaded the needle pretty well  here.
> > > > 
> > > > And just like Tom to address it pretty much head on.  I like that.
> > > > 
> > > > Ah, the Puja.  Just thinking about it makes me what to pull out my set,
> > > > each piece wrapped in an ochre colored bag, I had specially made.
> > > > 
> > > > I haven't sung the Puja in some time, but Michael, you have been
> > > > inspiring me to get back in that mode.
> > > > 
> > > > And yes, I always felt the Puja did just what it was supposed to do - 
> > > > prepare the ground for the imparting of the mantra.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is what good old Tom Ball, Re-certified Governor of North
> > > > Carolina says on his blog and website about TM:
> > > > >
> > > > > But doesn't the Transcendental Meditation instruction ceremony involve
> > > > "offerings?"
> > > > > Â
> > > > > The TM instruction ceremony derives
> > > > > from and retains many elements of the traditional Vedic custom of
> > > > guest reception: offering a bath, fresh garments, food, etc. â€"
> > > > all done
> > > > > symbolically during puja as gestures of respect. The puja used in TM
> > > > > instruction recites the names of the tradition of teachers and honors
> > > > > them, most prominently acknowledging the latest representative of that
> > > > > tradition, Maharishi's teacher, Brahmananda Saraswat

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Jackson:
> > > > > > I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > > 
> > > > IMHO, puja is all about moodmaking and the 
> > > > placebo effect, both for the people performing
> > > > them, and for the people watching them and being
> > > > instructed in some puja-accompanied technique.
> > > 
> > > Said like the true cynic that you are. I am not saying you are wrong, it 
> > > is just that this is exactly what I would expect you to say. Whether you 
> > > truly believe it or not I don't know. But it certainly is a sweeping 
> > > dismissal of the power or effect of the puja on its participants.
> > > > 
> > > > TM teachers are actually instructed *to* moodmake
> > > > while performing the puja, and to "dwell on the
> > > > meaning of the words" while performing one. 
> > > 
> > > I wouldn't know about that but other teachers here would. Can anyone who 
> > > are TM teachers here confirm that?
> > 
> > Yes, it's certainly true. TM teachers usually don't talk about that, as 
> > it's part of the agreement from that they don't talk about any of the 
> > confidential aspects of the teaching. There is something called meaning and 
> > feeling, that you have to hold in your mind while performing the puja. 
> > There are actually 4 layers: The original sanskrit, the translated meaning, 
> > the associated feeling, and a symbolic short explanation, and as a fifth 
> > layer, the action of offerings. And you are tested for that too, under 
> > real-life conditions.
> 
> I understand holding the meaning and the feeling together as you perform the 
> puja but would you characterize that as having been, as a teacher of TM "... 
> instruct[ed] to moodmake while performing the puja..."?

I wouldn't have used the word mood-making on my own - I actually don't like the 
word - but that is certainly what is implied by it. You were supposed to 
develop the mood, the 'feeling' of the words with the time, as you internalize 
the meaning of the words (of the feeling). First you would learn the words of 
the feeling, and then the feeling would come about, but the feelings were 
clearly described. And you should hold all the three levels in your awareness. 
I knew even people who failed the test, because they thought the translation in 
the same case ending then the original Sanskrit, no joke.

> 
> > > > 
> > > > Although there are undoubtedly people here who
> > > > would disagree with me, I never felt much of any-
> > > > thing while performing a puja. I don't believe
> > > > that the puja has *anything whatsoever* to do with
> > > > the effective "transmission of a mantra" or whether
> > > > the student derives any benefit from the meditation
> > > > being taught. 
> > > 
> > > Too bad. Sounds like you missed out a bit there. I'm not even a teacher 
> > > and I am far, far from a moodmaker but boy, did those pujas feel GREAT - 
> > > not based on my ideas of what they were supposed to do either.
> > 
> > 
> > Btw. I love the puja too. But I'd like to point out that it's not at all 
> > the intellectual property of the TM movement. Everything of it, except for 
> > two lines relating directly to Guru Dev, are part of other movements 
> > performances too. For example the part after the offerings belongs to a 
> > very popular poem called Guru Gita. The 'Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnur, Guru 
> > Devo Maheshwara' is actually recited daily in an Indian school I know, that 
> > has nothing to do with TM. It's just part of a larger tradition.
> > > > 
> > > > I have been instructed in mantra-based techniques
> > > > that involved the chanting of a puja, and in tech-
> > > > niques that were taught in a group, with no "bells
> > > > and whistles" at all, just "Here's the mantra." I
> > > > found no difference the students' experiences --
> > > > mine or other people's. 
> > > 
> > > I couldn't compare since the only technique I was ever officially taught 
> > > was TM.
> > > > 
> > > > I think it's ALL bells and whistles. For the teachers,
> > > > to lead them to believe that they are part of a long
> > > > "tradition" that, in the case of TM at least, does
> > > > not even exist -- Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > > and there is no record of it being taught similarly
> > > > that anyone can produce. In the case of the people
> > > > being taught, witnessing a ceremony they don't under-
> > > > stand, or even understand the language of, invokes
> > > > their inherent sense of Woo Woo, and leads them to
> > > > believe that there is something mystical going on. 
> > > 
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Michael Jackson:
> > > > > I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
> > > > 
> > > > Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> > > 
> > > IMHO, puja is all about moodmaking and the 
> > > placebo effect, both for the people performing
> > > them, and for the people watching them and being
> > > instructed in some puja-accompanied technique.
> > 
> > Said like the true cynic that you are. I am not saying you are wrong, it is 
> > just that this is exactly what I would expect you to say. Whether you truly 
> > believe it or not I don't know. But it certainly is a sweeping dismissal of 
> > the power or effect of the puja on its participants.
> > > 
> > > TM teachers are actually instructed *to* moodmake
> > > while performing the puja, and to "dwell on the
> > > meaning of the words" while performing one. 
> > 
> > I wouldn't know about that but other teachers here would. Can anyone who 
> > are TM teachers here confirm that?
> 
> Yes, it's certainly true. TM teachers usually don't talk about that, as it's 
> part of the agreement from that they don't talk about any of the confidential 
> aspects of the teaching. There is something called meaning and feeling, that 
> you have to hold in your mind while performing the puja. There are actually 4 
> layers: The original sanskrit, the translated meaning, the associated 
> feeling, and a symbolic short explanation, and as a fifth layer, the action 
> of offerings. And you are tested for that too, under real-life conditions.

I understand holding the meaning and the feeling together as you perform the 
puja but would you characterize that as having been, as a teacher of TM "... 
instruct[ed] to moodmake while performing the puja..."?
> 
> > > 
> > > Although there are undoubtedly people here who
> > > would disagree with me, I never felt much of any-
> > > thing while performing a puja. I don't believe
> > > that the puja has *anything whatsoever* to do with
> > > the effective "transmission of a mantra" or whether
> > > the student derives any benefit from the meditation
> > > being taught. 
> > 
> > Too bad. Sounds like you missed out a bit there. I'm not even a teacher and 
> > I am far, far from a moodmaker but boy, did those pujas feel GREAT - not 
> > based on my ideas of what they were supposed to do either.
> 
> 
> Btw. I love the puja too. But I'd like to point out that it's not at all the 
> intellectual property of the TM movement. Everything of it, except for two 
> lines relating directly to Guru Dev, are part of other movements performances 
> too. For example the part after the offerings belongs to a very popular poem 
> called Guru Gita. The 'Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnur, Guru Devo Maheshwara' is 
> actually recited daily in an Indian school I know, that has nothing to do 
> with TM. It's just part of a larger tradition.
> > > 
> > > I have been instructed in mantra-based techniques
> > > that involved the chanting of a puja, and in tech-
> > > niques that were taught in a group, with no "bells
> > > and whistles" at all, just "Here's the mantra." I
> > > found no difference the students' experiences --
> > > mine or other people's. 
> > 
> > I couldn't compare since the only technique I was ever officially taught 
> > was TM.
> > > 
> > > I think it's ALL bells and whistles. For the teachers,
> > > to lead them to believe that they are part of a long
> > > "tradition" that, in the case of TM at least, does
> > > not even exist -- Maharishi invented the TM technique,
> > > and there is no record of it being taught similarly
> > > that anyone can produce. In the case of the people
> > > being taught, witnessing a ceremony they don't under-
> > > stand, or even understand the language of, invokes
> > > their inherent sense of Woo Woo, and leads them to
> > > believe that there is something mystical going on. 
> > 
> > Not for me. It was just a ceremony, an experience, and a very nice one at 
> > that. I would love to have a puja performed in my presence every day. It's 
> > as pleasant as eating a great meal, having a massage or watching a great 
> > movie in some ways. A pleasurable, pleasant, satisfying activity in and of 
> > itself - no ideas, no trappings of great philosophy just simply enjoying 
> > and receiving an experience. Of course, it could be more than that too if 
> > you wanted to focus on it but for me it was a stand alone deal.
> > > 
> > > I don't think there is. I think it's all moodmaking.
> > 
> > Placebo, moodmaking, what does it matter? If you feel something, you feel 
> > something and if you don't, you don't. One or the other is neither wrong or 
> > right, better or worse. Let the masses swoon in delight if they want and 
> > yo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

*That* is amazing, almost otherwordly! I saw the horse show, Cavalia, last 
year, and it really brought out the intelligence, grace, sensitivity, and 
strength of horses, and the unimaginable skill of those who ride them.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
> >
> > love your post ,Ann
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > snip
> >   So maybe I'm a sucker.
> >   Please stay that way,Ann
> > and I may saddle and ride my white horse like a slow motion-sea horses
> > ride the ebbing tide
> >
> > Galloping the atmosphere;
> > Pasture in the sky
> > Watch the fog roll in!
> > Isn't it
> > Somehow full of mystery
> > Riding a white horse?
>   [SO beautiful!!]
> 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[doctordumbass]

Uh, Gee, Barry - It sure looks to me, and everyone else here, that *you* got 
YER BUTTONS PUSHED. Karma's a bitch, ain't she?? :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Agreed. Those who continue to say that there is no 
> > transcendental value in the Puja are simply parroting 
> > the values of the material world we live in. 
> 
> Sorta the same way you're parroting things TOLD to
> you by people you consider "authorities?" At least
> *we* are speaking from our own experience. How many
> pujas have *you* performed?
> 
> > Lazy, confused minds, much more willingness to flow 
> > with the incomplete values of this world's consciousness, 
> > than attempting something different, something new, 
> > outside the boundaries of common experience.
> 
> Ahem. *I* am the one speaking "out of the box" here.
> *You* are the one invoking old mood-makey things you
> have been TOLD. Again, *I* am the one speaking from
> experience, whereas *you* are talking from theory.
> 
> > Materialism is an awesome blindness, because it can 
> > never be disproved. It is the safest harbor from 
> > reality that there is. :-)  
> 
> Some would say that is has a great deal more to do
> with reality than believing in things you've only been
> TOLD about by others, with no experience of personally.
> Or correct me here...how many pujas have you performed
> in your life, Jimbo? I've done thousands. And *on the
> basis of that experience*, I think that their supposed
> "effect" can be almost completely written off to the
> placebo factor, and moodmaking. 
> 
> I *understand* that others -- IMO those who still cannot
> break free from the conditioning of what they have been
> TOLD about the puja, during the same instruction in which
> they were TOLD to moodmake while performing it -- may not
> agree, and may hold to "good experiences" they had while
> performing puja. Me, I have no such allegiances to the
> past, or to past beliefs. I never noticed much of an effect
> from the puja, even after following all of Maharishi's
> instructions to the letter, and trying to moodmake myself
> *into* having a "good experience" the way I was told to. 
> Therefore, in retrospect, *based on my own personal
> experience*, I have to believe that what I was TOLD about
> the puja was flowery bullshit. 
> 
> Please explain to us the basis on which you believe it's
> more than that. We'll wait. 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey, Tom Ball was a good friend of mine back in the day.  I think he
> > > threaded the needle pretty well  here.
> > > 
> > > And just like Tom to address it pretty much head on.  I like that.
> > > 
> > > Ah, the Puja.  Just thinking about it makes me what to pull out my set,
> > > each piece wrapped in an ochre colored bag, I had specially made.
> > > 
> > > I haven't sung the Puja in some time, but Michael, you have been
> > > inspiring me to get back in that mode.
> > > 
> > > And yes, I always felt the Puja did just what it was supposed to do - 
> > > prepare the ground for the imparting of the mantra.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
> > > >
> > > > This is what good old Tom Ball, Re-certified Governor of North
> > > Carolina says on his blog and website about TM:
> > > >
> > > > But doesn't the Transcendental Meditation instruction ceremony involve
> > > "offerings?"
> > > > Â
> > > > The TM instruction ceremony derives
> > > > from and retains many elements of the traditional Vedic custom of
> > > guest reception: offering a bath, fresh garments, food, etc. â€"
> > > all done
> > > > symbolically during puja as gestures of respect. The puja used in TM
> > > > instruction recites the names of the tradition of teachers and honors
> > > > them, most prominently acknowledging the latest representative of that
> > > > tradition, Maharishi's teacher, Brahmananda Saraswati, or "Guru Dev"
> > > > ("great teacher").Â
> > > >
> > > > There is no "offering to gods" or any such thing. It's more like
> > > giving an apple to your teacher â€" very simple and natural.
> > > >
> > > > I heard that the TM instruction ceremony mentions names of gods?
> > > >
> > > > The secular-type puja performed during Transcendental Meditation
> > > > instruction uses the traditional Sanskrit language of honor and
> > > respect
> > > > that's indigenous to the ancient Vedic culture. Although it may sound
> > > foreign to Western ears, the formal
> > > > language is used ceremoniously and not religiously. For example, in
> > > this Vedic performance, when Maharishi's teacher, Brahmananda Sarasvati,
> > > is metaphorically compared to a
> > > > traditional deity of that culture, Brahma, the deity itself is not
> > > > appealed to or acknowledged one way or another. If you say someone is
> > > > "Christ-like,"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> love your post ,Ann
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> snip
>   So maybe I'm a sucker.
>   Please stay that way,Ann
> and I may saddle and ride my white horse like a slow motion-sea horses
> ride the ebbing tide
>
> Galloping the atmosphere;
> Pasture in the sky
> Watch the fog roll in!
> Isn't it
> Somehow full of mystery
> Riding a white horse?
  [SO beautiful!!]

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok

[Share Long]

I appreciate everything you say here.  It makes me think.  And also I'm 
remembering:  I worked on MIU staff for 1 year and that credit paid for eight 
weeks of TMSP prep courses in 1977; I worked on MIU staff for 3 years and that 
credit paid for an 11 month graduate program, MA in SCI; I received a full 
scholarship for 3 years to earn an MS in Psychology; I currently go to the Dome 
twice a day every day completely free of charge.  I understand that others have 
had a different experience.  But I must honor my own experience and it is that 
the TMO via MIU has been very generous towards me.  

Regarding the school children and the energy exchange:  perhaps they are 
encouraged to offer a week's allowance or something like that.  If not, I'm 
sure Beingness understands (-:


As for the people responsible for high prices now:  if they are doing something 
that is good on some level we cannot now see, then I'm happy for their good 
karma; if they are doing something harmful, then I wish for them a thorough and 
compassionate burning off of this bad karma.  Perhaps I'm being too simple.  


I agree that it is all quite absurd and complicated.  And yet to be a human is 
an amazing thing even with complications and absurdities.    



 From: navashok 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I've heard that in the beginning Maharishi wanted to teach TM for free.

I have heard that too!

> Â  But the Westerners told him that people would not value it if it did not 
> cost money. 

I know the logic, but it is over-extended here IMO. Now it's just all about 
money. And it is simply not true that people can not value something that is 
free, of course they can, lot's of rich people donate for free things. Think 
about Ammachi, she does not charge anything, and yet her ashram must be one of 
the richest in India. Same with Sai Baba (whatever you may think of him), 
access to him was always free, and yet he gathered billions in donations.

There are also many people who think that true spirituality shouldn't cost 
anything. You may not agree, but money puts an extra layer in at any spiritual 
movement, and it complicates things. IMO the essential teaching of any movement 
or religious organization should be either free or low cost and affordable. 
There can be always 'add ons' spiritual articles that are not essential for 
which you can charge, and which people like to have, like CD's, books, 
Ayurvedic products etc. I am just here at an ashram in India, where everything 
is either free or very low-cost, even books. I rent a room for 3$, I eat in the 
dining hall for not even a dollar a day. Yes it is India, but it is still very 
reduced even subsidized by the Ashram.

> When I began in 1975, the cost was one week's salary.  Also, I know some New 
> Age teachers who say that there must be an exchange of energy in order for 
> what they impart to be effective. 

Yes, I know, but that 'exchange' should be based on free will, on ones own 
insight and appreciation, it shouldn't be forced onto people. Also the economic 
situation of people may vary over time. Take as an example advanced technique, 
they are highly recommended by the movement, and yet, for a very small 
addition, you have to spend the same amount as for basic TM, which is already 
overcharged. In this case you get clearly people, who surely appreciate the 
technique, they have been practicing, but they can't go on to a longer mantra, 
as they may just not have the money at hand. Here certainly the logic doesn't 
hold true anymore. 

Also, people don't just value something, because it is overpriced. It always 
depends on the competition, if you can get the same thing for free or for much 
cheaper. Take the case of the iphone. In the beginning it had a monopoly, it 
was the latest thing in town and a must have. Now the competition is getting 
stronger, with Android phones being cheaper and also getting better, the market 
share of the iphone is reduced, they either have to introduce some new 
innovation or reduce the price to be more competitive.

I know nobody outside of the TM movement who understands the price policy of 
TM. Everybody I meet in the spiritual scene thinks that TM is just about money 
making, and therefore don't take it serious.

And what do you think, when school kids get sponsored by other people to learn 
TM? How does this relate to the 'exchange energy', as THEY aren't giving back, 
it's some rich TM donor. Well, if you think about it, it's all quite absurd. 

> ____________
>  From: navashok 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:09 AM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Bhairitu]

On 01/23/2013 09:40 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 01/22/2013 03:22 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
>>> I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
>>>
>>> So to all you TM teachers or former TM teachers, what
>>> is the puja actually for of the above possibilities
>>> or is it something different altogether? Or a combo
>>> of the above?
>> All the puja does is charge up the initiator with enough
>> shakti to make the mantra enlivened.
> According to whom? Please show us "shakti," or
> prove that it exists. We'll wait. :-)

Drop on by and I'll show you shakti. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 01/22/2013 03:22 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
> >
> > So to all you TM teachers or former TM teachers, what 
> > is the puja actually for of the above possibilities 
> > or is it something different altogether? Or a combo 
> > of the above?
> 
> All the puja does is charge up the initiator with enough 
> shakti to make the mantra enlivened.  

According to whom? Please show us "shakti," or 
prove that it exists. We'll wait. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[Bhairitu]

On 01/23/2013 06:36 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>>> Michael Jackson:
>>> I am wondering what the deal is on puja anyway.
>> Puja is all about placement and positioning.
> IMHO, puja is all about moodmaking and the
> placebo effect, both for the people performing
> them, and for the people watching them and being
> instructed in some puja-accompanied technique.
>
> TM teachers are actually instructed *to* moodmake
> while performing the puja, and to "dwell on the
> meaning of the words" while performing one.
>
> Although there are undoubtedly people here who
> would disagree with me, I never felt much of any-
> thing while performing a puja. I don't believe
> that the puja has *anything whatsoever* to do with
> the effective "transmission of a mantra" or whether
> the student derives any benefit from the meditation
> being taught.
>
> I have been instructed in mantra-based techniques
> that involved the chanting of a puja, and in tech-
> niques that were taught in a group, with no "bells
> and whistles" at all, just "Here's the mantra." I
> found no difference the students' experiences --
> mine or other people's.

This was done before or after you learned TM?  You've also mentioned 
before that you've taught meditation without doing a puja.  But this was 
after you had been practicing TM.  How do you know that you had not 
developed enough shakti to enliven a mantra anyway without a puja?  
Thing is, you don't.  I think many people who have been practicing 
meditation for a while (and it doesn't have to be TM) would develop 
enough shakti to teach meditation.  Or as one astrology teacher of mine 
(who had also been a tantric) said, "once initiated you can use any 
mantra."

So, IOW unless one has NEVER meditated before and gives a mantra to 
somebody and it works then we really can't conclude anything.  And even 
then it might have more to do with the person receiving the mantra and 
their state.

I've always maintained that performing the puja before giving out the 
mantra was just a way to create many teachers without waiting for each 
one individually to have enough shakti to teach.  It's just a device.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I've heard that in the beginning Maharishi wanted to teach TM for free.

I have heard that too!

> Â  But the Westerners told him that people would not value it if it did not 
> cost money. 

I know the logic, but it is over-extended here IMO. Now it's just all about 
money. And it is simply not true that people can not value something that is 
free, of course they can, lot's of rich people donate for free things. Think 
about Ammachi, she does not charge anything, and yet her ashram must be one of 
the richest in India. Same with Sai Baba (whatever you may think of him), 
access to him was always free, and yet he gathered billions in donations.
 
There are also many people who think that true spirituality shouldn't cost 
anything. You may not agree, but money puts an extra layer in at any spiritual 
movement, and it complicates things. IMO the essential teaching of any movement 
or religious organization should be either free or low cost and affordable. 
There can be always 'add ons' spiritual articles that are not essential for 
which you can charge, and which people like to have, like CD's, books, 
Ayurvedic products etc. I am just here at an ashram in India, where everything 
is either free or very low-cost, even books. I rent a room for 3$, I eat in the 
dining hall for not even a dollar a day. Yes it is India, but it is still very 
reduced even subsidized by the Ashram.

> When I began in 1975, the cost was one week's salary.  Also, I know some New 
> Age teachers who say that there must be an exchange of energy in order for 
> what they impart to be effective.  

Yes, I know, but that 'exchange' should be based on free will, on ones own 
insight and appreciation, it shouldn't be forced onto people. Also the economic 
situation of people may vary over time. Take as an example advanced technique, 
they are highly recommended by the movement, and yet, for a very small 
addition, you have to spend the same amount as for basic TM, which is already 
overcharged. In this case you get clearly people, who surely appreciate the 
technique, they have been practicing, but they can't go on to a longer mantra, 
as they may just not have the money at hand. Here certainly the logic doesn't 
hold true anymore. 

Also, people don't just value something, because it is overpriced. It always 
depends on the competition, if you can get the same thing for free or for much 
cheaper. Take the case of the iphone. In the beginning it had a monopoly, it 
was the latest thing in town and a must have. Now the competition is getting 
stronger, with Android phones being cheaper and also getting better, the market 
share of the iphone is reduced, they either have to introduce some new 
innovation or reduce the price to be more competitive.

I know nobody outside of the TM movement who understands the price policy of 
TM. Everybody I meet in the spiritual scene thinks that TM is just about money 
making, and therefore don't take it serious.

And what do you think, when school kids get sponsored by other people to learn 
TM? How does this relate to the 'exchange energy', as THEY aren't giving back, 
it's some rich TM donor. Well, if you think about it, it's all quite absurd. 


 
> ____
>  From: navashok 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:09 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja
>  
> 
> Â  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> 
> > There are others like former TM teacher Bob Fickes who say  the puja 
> > ceremony helps to refine the awareness of the initiator and gives the 
> > mantra its potency. He has said without the puja the mantra won't have the 
> > proper vibration or potency.
> 
> That's how we were told on our TTC. That's exactly the logic given to the TM 
> teachers at the time.
> 
> > Still others, specifically Raja Badgett Rogers has said that the mantra 
> > doesn't work unless there is the offering or dakshina of the fruit, flowers 
> > and money, and it is the offering, the gift, that makes the mantra work and 
> > of course the flowers and fruit are part of the puja.
> 
> The logic of this, with the speciphic emphasis on money here in this context 
> makes my hair stand on end, really! We weren't told this on TTC, it must be a 
> new thing. It is a merchants attitude to God/ Spirituality. 'I give you 
> enough money, and you render my mantra effective.' This has been called 
> spiritual materialism by Chögyam Trungpa. Reminds me of catholic indulgence. 
> IMO this twisting is exactly how knowledge is lost.
> 
> In the same vein is the idea that scientific research 'belongs' to somebody 
> who sponsored (bought) it, and therefore 'belongs' to him, like somebody here 
> recently posted.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> > > TM teachers are actually instructed *to* moodmake
> > > while performing the puja, and to "dwell on the
> > > meaning of the words" while performing one. 
> > 
> > I wouldn't know about that but other teachers here would. Can
> > anyone who are TM teachers here confirm that?
> 
> When this same issue came up in November 2011 and Barry
> made this same point, Robin made a powerful case against
> Barry's conclusion that moodmaking was involved:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/294883
> 
> Worth rereading in its entirety, I think.
> 
> I'll quote the most directly relevant parts here (I've taken
> the liberty of rather sloppily inserting paragraph breaks
> for ease of reading):
> 
> ===
> BW: If you think back on it, what could possibly BE more
> of an exercise in moodmaking than the way we were
> taught to perform the puja? It (at least as
> on my TTC) was *not* about the mere "power of the
> words" and reciting them. We were taught explicitly
> to (contravening MMY's "Don't divide the mind" dictum)
> maintain a constant awareness of the meaning of the
> words in the puja in our minds while chanting/singing
> them.
> 
> MZ: Yes, Barry is right here. But I don't know of anyone who taught 
> TM—except in an ex post facto sense—who was able to conform to this 
> exhortation of Maharishi's.
>  
> That Maharishi inspired us with this intention, simply had nothing, 
> or almost nothing, to do with what actually happened in that Puja 
> room. To try to make the case that one's experience of performing 
> the Puja was determined by the extent to which one was able to 
> adhere to these instructions from Maharishi, will not go any ways 
> towards explaining what happened in that Puja room when one sang the 
> Puja, and submitted oneself to the mechanical procedure of teaching 
> TM, a process as impersonal and automatic as the experience of doing 
> Transcendental Meditation. If the Puja was trained moodmaking, then 
> so was TM.
> 
> (It is interesting that Barry invokes the term 
> moodmaking, which is itself a brilliant concept taught to us by 
> Maharishi. I think you run into trouble if you are using, as your 
> main idea, an idea which itself is derived from the very thing which 
> you are attempting to denigrate.)
> 
> Maharishi certainly cultured us in 
> our respect for Guru Dev and performing the Puja. But we did not, 
> paint-by-numbers, carry these memories (on our TTC) into the Puja 
> room such as to be able to make determinative these experiences over 
> the experience that suddenly and irresistibly began to work on us 
> once we began to perform the Puja.
> 
> BW: We were told endless stories about the personal-
> ities of the teachers and/or gods and goddesses being
> invoked by the words of the puja, and taught explicitly
> to keep a conscious awareness of those meanings in our
> minds. It was also implied in no uncertain terms that the
> puja was *supposed* to make you high, to change your
> state of attention and boost you into a higher one.
> 
> MZ: All this is true which Barry tells us here. But the relevance of
> this to the actual experience of teaching TM via the Puja is simply 
> based upon what actually happened to each teacher when he or she 
> stepped into that Puja room having already submitted oneself to the 
> entire procedure of TM—which began with the Introductory Lecture and 
> continued right through the Three Days Checking.
> 
> The whole thing was 
> one of obedience and precise conformity. It was like an algorithm. 
> There was no room for the primacy of the ego or subjective 
> interpretation, or wish-fulfillment, or different levels of 
> achievement of moodmaking.
> 
> Teaching TM has nothing to do with 
> moodmaking, and demonstrated the antithesis (and thus the validity) 
> of why Maharishi made the distinction between what we could imagine 
> as being some experience, and an experience which was the mechanical 
> and choiceless effect of executing the formula for teaching TM that 
> intrinsic relationship to this experience of transcending in TM. 


Nice find, thanks for posting this. 
The Turq is wrong as usual OR he is is deliberately trying to mislead. He tries 
to convince those here that never did a Puja that dwelling on the meaning of 
the sentences is moodmaking. 
How is it even possible, is he sick, blinded with religious fanatism or just 
plain stupid ? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Agreed. Those who continue to say that there is no 
> > transcendental value in the Puja are simply parroting 
> > the values of the material world we live in. 
> 
> Sorta the same way you're parroting things TOLD to
> you by people you consider "authorities?" At least
> *we* are speaking from our own experience. How many
> pujas have *you* performed?

Actually, experience of the transcendental value in the
puja is not limited only to those who have performed it.
It can have an effect on those who witness it as well.


> Some would say that is has a great deal more to do
> with reality than believing in things you've only been
> TOLD about by others, with no experience of personally.
> Or correct me here...how many pujas have you performed
> in your life, Jimbo? I've done thousands. And *on the
> basis of that experience*, I think that their supposed
> "effect" can be almost completely written off to the
> placebo factor, and moodmaking. 
> 
> I *understand* that others -- IMO those who still cannot
> break free from the conditioning of what they have been
> TOLD about the puja, during the same instruction in which
> they were TOLD to moodmake while performing it -- may not
> agree, and may hold to "good experiences" they had while
> performing puja. Me, I have no such allegiances to the
> past, or to past beliefs. I never noticed much of an effect
> from the puja, even after following all of Maharishi's
> instructions to the letter, and trying to moodmake myself
> *into* having a "good experience" the way I was told to. 
> Therefore, in retrospect, *based on my own personal
> experience*, I have to believe that what I was TOLD about
> the puja was flowery bullshit.

Translation: If you've never done the puja yourself, you're
simply parroting flowery bullshit.

If you *have* done the puja yourself, you're also simply
parroting flowery bullshit.

This is because, if Barry didn't notice much of an effect
from performing the puja, nobody else really could have
either. It can't be the case that the puja actually does
have an effect to which Barry was somehow immune.

DrD, you might want to ask Barry to comment on the quotes
I just put up from Robin's 2011 post in response to the
same assertions as Barry made them back then. At the time,
Barry had no reply.