[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on. Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? HA! We see what we need to see, all right. If we cannot accept imperfections with unconditional Love, we will see them everywhere until we can! Heck, and here I thought that if Papaji's contempt for his students wasn't an imperfection, I didn't have to take MMY's contempt for *his* students as an imperfection either. You should be complimenting me for having managed to turn it around and seeing perfection where I once saw imperfection. I thought I was! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that transmits the true non-dual state. How would we get it to stay in the bottle? HA! Excellent! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that transmits the true non-dual state. Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT just the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor. Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor. Retarded humor -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is retarded self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that transmits the true non-dual state. Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT just the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor. Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor. Retarded humor -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is retarded self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? It may seem so for the retarded. And for the non-retarded? How does it seem? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's a virtue; He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't mean you are enlightened.' I find that very compassionate, not contemptuous. Yes. I am thinking that a taste of the non-dual, whether from a teacher or from drugs, is probably still perceived as coming from the outside; one probably then still hasn't fully understood the mechanics of ignorance and of self-recognition... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's your opinion? Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is *always* some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see doesn't *appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have certain preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don't match our perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its fullness, we are continually called and challenged to surrender our preconceptions into an acceptance of that which is standing right in front of us. :-) Or, if this doesn't ring for us in this moment, perhaps we are called in the opposite direction -- to completely deny everything we have identified with, until the Self stands utterly alone. Whole- hearted or empty-hearted, the end-result would appear to be the same, so long as we are consistent and integral. Or inconsistent and fragmented; no matter; also good. This too, and this neither. Believe in the dream or not, waking up is inevitable, and we always support the dream in its entirety, whether we are consciously aligned with this support or not. :-( :-) :-( :-) There is no real way we can speed up or slow down the Realization that will never happen and that has already happened. Until we swallow time, and embrace the imperfection, we are swallowed by it, and embraced by it. So? :-) Swallowing time! I like that! Gulp... Aaaah... the taste that refreshes! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to do 'out there', such as a yagya, snip A most interesting phrase, Jim, and one that reminds me of a Durga Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back -- the first such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, as absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual was interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside the physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny impulses being awakened within the form with every name chanted. It culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then for a number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since awakening. *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and purifying experience! :-) That is amazing, and somewhat incomprehensible, though I shall watch for similar the next time I find myself in such a situation. Yes, I didn't describe that too clearly -- it should have read, at the complexity of impulses being awakened within the form with all the names chanted. Each name awakened or lit up a specific simple impulse within the form, the whole forming a complex pattern ... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson snip People can get enlightened without these inner structures. Then they tend to think they are fully perfect as they are and also superior beings. They desperately need their enlightenment to be seen, and themselves to be seen as superior, because that is their personality structure. The personal self, that cannot work with one's issues needs all the time adulation and a feeling of power to feel good about oneself. Problems are seen in the world. These people can create a lot of unnecessary havoc, but also help some in getting enlightened. I personally think nowadays that it is probably better that people develop the inner structures mentioned above before the experience of enlightenment. Very good points. I have also been fortunate to work with some wonderfully enlightened people who have actually been essentially or completely unware of their own enlightenment, by virtue of that slight misunderstanding of the nature of (the remains of) ignorance: i.e., petty suffering we resist or ignore doesn't really go away; it just remains in ignorance, becoming heavier and darker the more we ignore it. Paradoxically the more we ignore it, the more it binds our attention until we find ourselves immersed in and fully identified with suffering. Separating ourselves from the suffering just enough to gain an unshakable foothold (often easiest to do by locating it in the body, and/or remembering who we really are), and then approaching it with an embrace of unconditional love, allowing it to feel, breathe, etc., lightens it quickly up into its true nature of radiant bliss. To my eye anyhow, these people are the most amazingly blazing Suns of Brahman who were more or less completely overlooking their own light and love and powerful attention fields by empowering ignorance and the darkness of suffering and not-love, all merely unrecognized and unloved portions of themSelves! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello - I am very new on this list, but wanted to respond to this last bit. I am one of those people who somehow managed to experience things in reverse order. Strangely, it had the opposite effect on my ego...to the point that I felt I wasn't even allowed one. The real point I wanted to make about reaching those experiences before proper development is that it almost crippled my life as well as my mind. In my life I would not change a thing about the way it happened, but I can see how it can be both confusing and dangerous. Very dangerous actually.. I look forward to getting to know this list :-) Hello, Paula, and welcome! Looking forward to getting to know you too :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Part B Swami G answers Rasa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I read this, I kept hearing it in the voice of Gangaji, and I know nothing of her, so I believe it is genuine. The one she is speaking to, Rasa, is also a woman, with a very unusual website to say the least(!) Yes, Rasa's website identifies Swami G. as Swami Ganga-Puri Kaliuttamananda-Giri, whose site is KundaliniSupport.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:21 AM, Rick Archer wrote: What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. I'm part of an international sangha/community of a several thousand hardcore yogis and meditators. Our quarterly newspaper lists all the births and deaths in the community. There are several a year. My observation would be that a good number of people who are hardcore meditators are also hardcore into alternative health practices. In some cases they will even forego any allopathic treatment in favor of Ayurveda or Tibetan medicine, etc. etc. The majority of these people die early because they either do not seek conventional treatment for diseases (with sometime excellent prognoses) or they delay conventional treatment. An example that comes to mind was a woman who worked at the health food supermarket. She had a fibroid the size of a large grapefruit. Because she believed she should do everything all natural she refused to have this removed--even though that meant she could no longer have sex. Granted, in this case it was benign, but that just highlights in my mind what lengths some will go to to maintain a belief system--even when conventional treatment is quite capable of helping them or even curing them. Yes, excellent point -- as if conventional treatment is somehow NOT a part of God or wholeness -- the old ignoring-the-helicopter- while-waiting-for-God-to-rescue-us-from-the-roof dodge :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding your comments below - I would think that your perspective would be that everyone is actually blazing Brahman already, and just have to realize it. In that case, what special status would you give to those who are enlightened people who have actually been essentially or completely unware of their own enlightenment ? In other words, what is the difference between the majority of people on earth, ie. those who haven't yet realized their enlightenment, and those that you have worked with who are already enlightened but don't know it? Great question, and one I was thinking about some after writing this post. All I can really say is that while technically all are blazing Brahman already, some appear to blaze a lot brighter than others in this moment -- i.e., probably have done enough work clarifying the intellect and so on that Brahman is more self-evident in them; their attention-field is obviously waves of light and so on. To me anyhow: because they are (presumably) travelling inside the light-wave of their own attention, they don't appear to see it; they only tend to notice that the erstwhile-heavy object of their unconditional attention is lightening up into bliss and so on. It is simply that they had been unaware of the tamasic or darkening/thickening approach they had taken in resisting, avoiding or ignoring the particle of ignorance :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great question, and one I was thinking about some after writing this post. All I can really say is that while technically all are blazing Brahman already, some appear to blaze a lot brighter than others in this moment -- i.e., probably have done enough work clarifying the intellect and so on that Brahman is more self-evident in them; their attention-field is obviously waves of light and so on. To me anyhow: because they are (presumably) travelling inside the light-wave of their own attention, they don't appear to see it; they only tend to notice that the erstwhile-heavy object of their unconditional attention is lightening up into bliss and so on. It is simply that they had been unaware of the tamasic or darkening/thickening approach they had taken in resisting, avoiding or ignoring the particle of ignorance :-) Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very quick churning or washing-machine back-and-forth rotation which casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the other -- in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very quick churning or washing-machine back-and-forth rotation which casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the other -- in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-) And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that not-good/not-God belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself rebellious or demonic) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re-appraisal from that same Brahma-nature. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps to impress new members? *lol* I hadn't thought of that, Judy! You think it might work? Wow! What would the benefit be to me, I wonder, if new members are impressed? And what do you mean by impressed, anyhow? Inspired? Captivated? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that not-good/not-God belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself rebellious or demonic) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re-appraisal from that same Brahma-nature. And until that integration is accomplished, those rebellious impulses may congeal and remain in the field(s) of that creative consciousness as a substance -- grit, asteroids, smoke-clouds, or whatever -- that *appears* to obscure the blazing Brahma-nature and create hellish realities -- really, hellish filters of judgement and condemnation and ego-pettiness through which the pristine reality of one's God-field is distorted. But the actual Brahma-nature of one's creative consciousness is ever-radiant, ever-blazing, ever the same. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps to impress new members? *lol* I hadn't thought of that, Judy! You think it might work? Wow! What would the benefit be to me, I wonder, if new members are impressed? And what do you mean by impressed, anyhow? Inspired? Captivated? I hadn't thought about it that way -- I was really excited about some understandings that have fit together recently, and felt like sharing them -- but if you really want to know my deeper goal, upon reflection it is not simply to impress but rather to *destroy* -- embrace, rape, consume utterly, assimilate, and annihilate -- every single particle of resistance and not-love I come across in any of my attention-fields, for they all must be my own creation(s)... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience? Or imaginative speculation. Yes, yes. And its useful, how? Helps me understand myself. Many thanks for asking :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BC really stands for Borg Consciousnness. You will be assimilated. :-) Resistance is indeed futile :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, first, it isn't real clear why you believe you know what kinds of experiences I've had. And second, it's interesting that you think my comment was a function of being pissed off, for whatever reason. I thought it was very sweet, like when the cute new girl shows up at school and the guys start showing off, trying to outdo one another to get her attention. It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I got a chuckle out of the image. Sorry it pushed your buttons. It's a nice image, but perhaps a little off in this case. I've seldom been reticent to share my current understandings, regardless of who may or may not eventually enjoy them. These have been percolating since just before the Navaratri/Durga puja last week, crystallized further over the past few days, and finally coalesced enough to (attempt to) communicate :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, first, it isn't real clear why you believe you know what kinds of experiences I've had. And second, it's interesting that you think my comment was a function of being pissed off, for whatever reason. I thought it was very sweet, like when the cute new girl shows up at school and the guys start showing off, trying to outdo one another to get her attention. It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I got a chuckle out of the image. Sorry it pushed your buttons. It's a nice image, but perhaps a little off in this case. I've seldom been reticent to share my current understandings, regardless of who may or may not eventually enjoy them. These have been percolating since just before the Navaratri/Durga puja last week, crystallized further over the past few days, and finally coalesced enough to (attempt to) communicate :-) I'll take your word for it. But there seemed to me to be a sort of competition going on as to who could write the most elaborate and flowery description. *lol* I have indeed been re-exploring more flowery realms lately! Very sweet. Not a thing wrong with it, whatever the motivation. If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, that's awfully judgmental, Rory. *lol* Is it judgmental to call a disease a disease? It appears that one has to recognize and identify the nature of the problem if one wishes to heal it. Denial of addiction-patterns masking not-love impulses -- refusing to recognize the Self in (and larger than) patterns like Unworthiness, Fear, Guilt, Shame and Rage -- only perpetuates the heaviness of the disease, and leaches away more and more life, leading eventually to depression and death. I would not be at all suprised to learn that genuine physical immortality is our completely natural state, one essentially free of all addictions/obsessions/repressions (including addictions to relationships, sex, romance, growth, food, money, power, drugs, and so on) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) Great cognition Rory! Exactly how I have experienced it, though your comprehensive and eloquent formula is beyond any description I could've given it. Thanks! *lol* All thanks go to Einstein; I am only just now figuring out how relevant his cognitions are to *me* :-) PS On the subject of those who don't know they are enlightened, or acting in enlightened ways, and this experience [of enlightenment] propagating through the popular culture, I see a strong similarity between what you describe perfectly as 'the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field', and when athletes and others speak of being 'in the zone'. Yes -- time slows down towards (and into) no-space-time Perfect-flow the more we are aligned with the speed of our own unconditional and unconditioned light-attention :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, that's awfully judgmental, Rory. *lol* Is it judgmental to call a disease a disease? If you judge something is a disease, and you judge that diseases are Problems to be overcome, sure it's judgmental. Perhaps we are getting caught up in misunderstood definitions -- I merely mean to *identify* areas of pain in ourselves, feel them and heal them. Refusal to heal our own pain is a symptom and cause of surrendering to some addiction or other -- making that addiction -- that false belief and support-system -- more important than our own present-moment integrity, joy, freedom, and so on :-) Is being judgmental a disease? It is (or will be) if we identify a pattern in ourself as not-self or not-good and do not take steps to dissolve that identification. It appears that one has to recognize and identify the nature of the problem if one wishes to heal it. Denial of addiction-patterns masking not- love impulses -- refusing to recognize the Self in (and larger than) patterns like Unworthiness, Fear, Guilt, Shame and Rage -- only perpetuates the heaviness of the disease, and leaches away more and more life, leading eventually to depression and death. I would not be at all suprised to learn that genuine physical immortality is our completely natural state, one essentially free of all addictions/obsessions/repressions (including addictions to relationships, sex, romance, growth, food, money, power, drugs, and so on) :-) Substituting, perhaps, an addiction to physical existence? No, genuine physical immortality is not physical existence any longer, at least in the sense it is commonly understood. It would appear to be rather something along the lines of physically understanding all physical matter to be nothing other than love as a relationship between energy/bliss and consciousness. The formula for physical immortality would seem to be E = Mc(2) or laughter/bliss = love/coalesence x consciousness/light aware of itself :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) See, this is what I meant by judgmental: Why can't adulation, flirtation, etc., be enjoyed in and of themselves without being addictions or substitutes? Oh, sure, I suppose they theoretically could; anything's possible. I was speaking of them as addictive patterns used to mask heavier feelings of not-good because that is how I have used them in the past and that's what I am currently interested in: personal transformation and alchemy. I have found that the desire to flirt and receive adulation generally (maybe always) stemmed from a not- OK (addicted) place inside; your mileage may vary :-) That's how *I* took the showing-off image I was entertaining. You seem to have taken it quite differently. Yes, I confess I sometimes (generally?) use your posts as stimuli to continue to explore issues I am most interested in in this moment. As mentioned, my purpose for being here is to understand myself better. You sometimes show me heavinesses or densities in my field- awareness which I can then dissolve into greater understanding and bliss. It's fun! But of course I speak only of me; what effect if any I may appear to have on you (whatever that may be, apart from me) is not really my business :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if before posting, we should all close our eyes and see if there is some discomfort in the body. And If so, attentionize and breath through it. Then open our eyes and see if there is still an impulse to post. I have wondered the same thing (no definitive answer as yet); and have done that same thing many times -- sometimes the impulse to post persists :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: genuine physical immortality is not physical existence any longer, at least in the sense it is commonly understood. It would appear to be rather something along the lines of physically understanding all physical matter to be nothing other than love as a relationship between energy/bliss and consciousness. The formula for physical immortality would seem to be E = Mc(2) or laughter/bliss = love/coalesence x consciousness/light aware of itself :-) And how do you see the practical ramifications of this? Granted I can accept what you are saying conceptually. But does this mean that our bodies once they are wholly conscious of themselves as embodiments of love at the cellular level will continue to exist forever? I believe this is possible, yes, as the cells remember they are only light-love-laughter; these gunas are apparently as eternal and absolute as anything else :-) Or does it mean that the grossest elements of the body will still die off, we will still experience the seperation of earthly death, to then continue immortally as subtler representations of ourselves? I believe this is also possible, yes :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if before posting, we should all close our eyes and see if there is some discomfort in the body. And If so, attentionize and breath through it. Then open our eyes and see if there is still an impulse to post. I have wondered the same thing (no definitive answer as yet); and have done that same thing many times -- sometimes the impulse to post persists :-) Must be one of those really deep addictions then. Could well be; as mentioned, no definitive answer as yet :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) After further playing with the properties of the gunas for a while, we now see the pure I splitting into 27 pure Is to explore the permutations of the gunas and subgunas and sub-subgunas, yielding 27 discrete states of consciousness, each with its consciousness and own perfectly valid POV through a specific guna-pattern -- all being entertained simultaneously, but also explorable from within in terms of guna-progression through time and space if desired. Only 16 (or 19, depending how we count) of these states occur between birth and death, which is what held me up when I was first trying to delineate these unfoldments as geometries of consciousness some 20-odd years ago. Now though we can posit a beautiful sequence from the densest Being or Love (Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu, or Sat-Sat-Sat) at conception (0-state; Nakshatric new moon), through 9 subgunas of Vishnu/Being (including prenatal Sleep, Dream and Waking, Birth, and Postnatal Sleep, Dream and Waking) into the denser side of Transcendence-I as subtlest Being at the 8th state (Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva). From here we move across a gap into the lighter side of Transcendence- II as the densest form of Light or Consciousness in the 9th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), and so on through the 9 subgunas of Brahma or States of Consciousness -- through C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma), G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva, and U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu), and across the pivotal midway-point of Crucifixion or Nirvana or Brahman (Brahma- Brahma-Brahma, or chit-chit-chit) at the 13th state (Nakshatric full moon) -- and thereafter recapitulating the complement of all the previous guna-states (with Vishnu/Love for original Shiva/Bliss, and vice versa) in mirror order through Krishna or complement of G.C. (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), Shiva or complement of C.C. (Brahma-Shiva- Brahma), and the Complement of Transcendence-I (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva)at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma. From here we move across another gap into the egg of Shiva with its 9 states of Bliss: incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- II (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), Waking (i.e. Ignorance) (Shiva-Vishnu- Brahma), Dreaming, Sleep, Death, and so on (After-death Waking, Dreaming and Sleep) to culminate in the most rarefied Bliss (Shiva- Shiva-Shiva) at dissolution in the 26th state, the old moon, just before (most likely) re-entering a higher octave at its densest point (Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu). Again, this description is in a sense illusory, that is, describing unfoldments across time and space of what is actually eternal and omnipresent. Also, for simplicity we have described this progression as if from one end only, from the bottom up, whereas it actually appears to be a successive approach, overlap (at Brahman) and more and more inclusive merger of Spirit (Shiva) and Matter (Vishnu) from each end simultaneously to the other end. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ...with Vishnu as Love, Sat/Being, Sattva; Brahma as Light, Chit/Consciousness, Rajas; and Shiva as Laughter, Ananda/Bliss, Tamas. Again, the two poles of the Hiranyagarbha or horned-torus are at either end of its central double-cone: with the mountain of Vishnu (Converging or contracting from the bottom up and inward), and the upside-down mountain of Shiva (Dissolving or expanding into the top up and outward) and with Brahma churning merrily away between them at the center-point of the double conic-mountain. (I put up and down in quotes because the Love/Bliss polarity may apparently shift from moment to moment). :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
A few interpolations and some expansions interleaved below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From here we move across a gap into the lighter side of Transcendence-II as the densest form of Light or Consciousness in the 9th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), and so on through the 9 subgunas of Brahma or States of Consciousness -- through C.C. (10th state, Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma); G.C. (11th state, Brahma-Vishnu- Shiva); and U.C. (12th state; Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu), and across the pivotal midway-point of Crucifixion or Nirvana or Brahman (Brahma- Brahma-Brahma, or chit-chit-chit) at the 13th state (Nakshatric full moon) -- and thereafter recapitulating the complement of all the previous guna-states (with Vishnu/Love for original Shiva/Bliss, and vice versa) in mirror order through the warmed-up-Brahman 14th state of Brahman-Shiva (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva) or complement of U.C.; 15th state of Krishna (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu) or complement of G.C.; 16th state of Shiva-Brahma (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), or complement of C.C.; and the 17th state (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva), the Complement of Transcendence-I at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma. As first mentioned a year or so ago, from the model of the progressive merger of Spirit and Matter across the egg of Consciousness (Brahma), we define the states of Consciousness as follows: T.C.-II (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu) as THAT or the Light of Pure Consciousness (now not just the subtlest Being of T.C.-I), with the Transcendence at the bottom end of the Brahmic egg being stimulated by the ascent of Matter, coincidentally with the top end of the Brahmic egg's now being enlivened by the descent of Spirit. C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma) as I am THAT with enlivenment of Avyakta (near the top of Brahmic egg) by Spirit/Energy/Purusha/Shiva and Karmendriyas (near the bottom of Brahmic egg) by Matter/Prakriti/Vishnu/Shakti, yielding a separate Self- Consciousness and concomitant automatic action (perfect flow); G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva) as Thou art THAT, with Spirit expanding from Avyakta down to Mahat (Bliss), and Matter expanding up from Karmendriyas to Indriyas (sense organs), yielding divine enrichment of senses; U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) as All this is THAT, as Spirit expanding from Mahat down to Buddhi (Intuition, Higher Mind), and Matter expanding up from Indriyas to Manas (Concrete or Lower Mind), yielding a consciousness of an essentially unified field, with ability to explore across spacetime, with now only the Causal Self (or Solar Angel or Guru or God) still subtly separating the fields of Spirit (Absolute) and Matter (Relative). At the onset of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) one embodies There is only THAT as this Causal Self or Solar Angel (etc.) dies or is immersed in the sudden mergence of Absolute and Relative; this is experienced often as a Dark Night of the Soul; for the first (and only) time, *no* permutation of Love (Vishnu) *or* Bliss (Shiva) is present, yielding (in some cases) a rather stark sameness to everything. At the ripening of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the mirror of U.C., one knows THAT is All This as Absolute and Relative completely cross, with Purusha flooding down into Manas and Prakriti flooding up into Buddhi. Absolute and Relative are gone; the remnants of the small-self isolation disappear; Wholeness predominates; the Self Understands the Self. The mind and heart are now understood as unified and embracing the All. We find now that attention and breath quicken the awareness-field into bliss. At the onset of Krishna (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), the mirror of G.C., one sees THAT Art Thou as the Wholeness has now spread up as far as Mahat and down as far as Indriyas, so that we again have blissful sense-perception, but now completely in terms of the Self. One may become a sort of Avatar as the Great Immensity of unconditional Love to heal and assimilate the individual points of Wholeness within the body. Knowing oneself as the Ocean, one may incorporate or incarnate as any given individual in one's attention-field, and find them within one's body. At the onset of Shiva (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), the mirror of C.C., one knows THAT Am I as the Wholeness has now spread up as far as Avyakta and down as far as Karmendriyas, so we now see we are not only separate from (all) action, but its ultimate cause or source, and also its ultimate end or goal. We are able to eat all sins. At the further ripening of Shiva (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva), the mirror of T.C.-II, one knows THAT is THAT as the Wholeness has spread through the entire Brahmic egg of Consciousness, encompassing the Transcendence at either end. From here the Wholeness expands yet further to begin recapitulating and enfolding more and more Ignorance via both adjoining eggs through 9 more ripples: Shiva's 9 states of Bliss and Vishnu's 9 states of Love. Again, this whole progression is in one sense
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops - below should be Complement of Transcendence-*II* (Brahma-Shiva- Shiva) and ...incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- *I* (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), just in case anyone actually is reading any of this. My apologies for the linear density of all the above; it may look a lot simpler if you draw it in a diagram of three connecting circles (each containing 9 points), along the vertical shishkebab of the 27 points of I -- and if you draw a trigram for each of the accompanying guna-states, with Vishnu (V) being an unbroken line (0; no gaps), Brahma (B) being a broken line or two short lines (1; 1 gap), and Shiva (S) being a twice broken or three short lines (2; 2 gaps) and follow the guna progression out from 0 (V-V-V; 0-0-0) to 26 (S-S-S; 2-2-2) in base-three sequence -- then you can really see the beauty of the mirroring of the guna-states around the central pivot of Brahma-Brahma-Brahma :-) (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), Shiva or complement of C.C. (Brahma-Shiva- Brahma), and the Complement of Transcendence-I (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva) at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma. From here we move across another gap into the egg of Shiva with its 9 states of Bliss: incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- II (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, purushaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Thanks, Rory, interesting!. Question: Where does YHVH (YAHWEH) fit into all of this? Thanks again. Nice question, many thanks, purushaz! Here's how I understand it at the moment: Within the pivotal 13-state (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) at the center of the center (Brahma) egg, the 13 points of consciousness may be viewed as a cluster of 12 Adityas or apostles surrounding the central Aditi or Christ as his/her (*our*) radii or rays, the whole forming a hypersphere or vector-equilibrium matrix. One can then flatten the hypersphere into a disk and see the 12 radii as zodiac-signs (constellations) or planets arranged in a double-helix pattern around and including this central 13th-point (which actually is itself a light-dark, male-female pair, symbolized by Earth and Pluto, and perhaps Sirius A and B, and the Vishnu-Shiva double-cone itself). We can then see how the planetary/constellation chakras in this Brahma- body pair off to form strata of different densities or kingdoms -- from mineral to vegetable to animal to human (center) to ancestral to angelic to gods, each of which kingdoms replicates or reflects the 12- fold pattern of the whole within its own confines. Within the angelic kingdom we perceive the qualities of music and sound (vibration, akasha, mahat, bliss) differentiating into the various vowels and (eventually) the consonants. Using these sounds to express the Whole we can generate various patterns like YHWH (from highest midsummer solstice Y to midpoint fall-equinox H to lowest midwinter solstice W to midpoint spring-equinox H, in a grand cross going around the circle), which is very similar to another grand cross -- AKNI (Libra/Green A to Capricorn/Indigo K across the gap of the winter solstice -- maximum density and darkness, between Taurean-Equinox Capricorn and Aquarius -- to Aries/Red N to Cancer/Amber I), or yet another -- IOUUA or IOWA (pronounced EE-AW-WAH), from Leo I to Scorpio O to Aquarius UU to Taurus A. So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of Brahma- loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding to details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and Brahman Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) -- although again, none of this will probably be viewable upon first conscious immersion in and as Brahman -- for one thing, when first comprehending the speed of light, the light itself appears to disappear (Dark Night of the Soul), and the first thing one is likely to notice on finally admitting the perfection of Now and admitting Self as Brahman is that everything is frozen Self. It can be kind of overwhelming, and a lot of this material above doesn't really become evident until or unless one begins to ask How does THAT Wholeness manifest all of THIS appearance of maya? and starts to conceive the Hiranyagarbha, the gunas and all the rest :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip although again, none of this will probably be viewable upon first conscious immersion in and as Brahman -- for one thing, when first comprehending the speed of light, the light itself appears to disappear (Dark Night of the Soul), and the first thing one is likely to notice on finally admitting the perfection of Now and admitting Self as Brahman is that everything is frozen Self. It can be kind of overwhelming, and a lot of this material above doesn't really become evident until or unless one begins to ask How does THAT Wholeness manifest all of THIS appearance of maya? and starts to conceive the Hiranyagarbha, the gunas and all the rest :-) This last phrase is slightly misleading -- upon the sobriety of Brahman, one may well undertake mental-body ascension into the bliss- pool of Higher Self/Council of Guides and transmission of these energies into earth-plane heart-service/healing, and, -- as K.C. further develops -- embracing (upon inquiry into the nature of the three primary rays or gunas) denser, astral-body ascension via DNA pyramid/mountain, OM-portal initiation and introduction to the Council of 13 (12 + 1) Masters, and so on, *before* complete(r) comprehension of the Self as embracing Hiranyagarbha and the place of the gunas and pyramid/mounts of Vishnu/Shiva within it :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of Brahma- loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding to details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and Brahman Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) -- snip Using the terminology of the conventional lokas considered to exist in the egg of Brahma, we have: An unnamed loka in T.C-II (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), just inside the transcendental skin or just atop the denser edge of the ring-pass- not of the bottom of Brahma's egg, Bhu or Bhur-loka in C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma), Bhuvarloka in G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva), and Swarloka in U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) -- from these three, souls yet return to earthly reincarnation; Maha- or Maharloka in the onset of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma), and Janaloka in ripened B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the complement of Unity -- in either of these two, souls are liberated, and do not need to return to earthly incarnation, though many do, for further refinement in service; Tapaloka in what we have been calling Krishna (Brahma-Shiva- Vishnu), the complement of G.C., and Sat-loka or Satya-loka in what we have been calling Shiva (Brahma- Shiva-Brahma), the complement of C.C. -- from these two, there is no return; another unnamed loka in the complement of T.C.-II (Brahma-Shiva- Shiva), on the transcendental skin or just below the subtlest edge of the ring-pass-not of Brahma's egg, at the juncture of the gap into Shiva's egg. However, we may also see these 7 lokas in macrocosm as spanning the entire range of the 27 states of consciousness from conception to dissolution, with Bhur-loka at Conception (state 0), Bhuvarloka at Birth (state 4), and Swargaloka-I at Transcendence-I (state 8), all in Vishnu's egg; Swargaloka-II at Transcendence-II (state 9), Maharloka at B.C. (state 13), and Janaloka-II at complement of Transcendence-II, Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (state 17), all in Brahma's egg; and Janaloka-I at complement of Transcendence-I, Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu (state 18), Tapaloka at Death, Shiva-Brahma-Brahma (state 22), and Satyaloka at Dissolution, Shiva-Shiva-Shiva (state 26), all in Shiva's egg. No matter how we term the lokas, from the 26th state of Dissolution (Shiva-Shiva-Shiva, or Bliss-Bliss-Bliss, or pure Energy), we may go to its flip-side, the 27th state, which is Conception (Vishnu-Vishnu- Vishnu, or Love-Love-Love, or pure Matter: Solve et Coagula. We may visualize the 27th state as 27 points of consciousness, thus: Unity, the 12th state (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) appears as an icosahedron, with twelve points and no rational center. Adding a solar seed center-point gives us the 13th state, B.C., brought on at the full fusion with one's Self or Solar Angel: a 13-point (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) cuboctahedron or vector-equilibrium matrix (one center point, 12 vertices; Aditi and the Adityas or Christ and the Apostles) with 14 faces -- eight triangles, six squares. This B.C. state contains in seed-form a complete key to Universal Space (conjoined tetrahedra and octahedra), but not yet unfolded. Ripened B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the complement of Unity, is visualizable as the 14-point, 12-face rhombic dodecahedron -- thus, the inverse of U.C. and B.C., a figure-ground destruction and reversal of the prior states; what was emptiness is now fullness, and vice-versa: one turns inside out and outside in. Dissolution (26th state) involves fusing these two -- U.C. (the 12) and ripened B.C. (the 14) together in a perfect Whole, where Self- Other, male-female figure-ground are *both* entertained perfectly fully in the physiology, as was mentioned earlier in discussions here with Akasha. Adding the central I-point to this 26-point Dissolution precipitates the 27-point Conception, at which point I am equally and fully self-other, male and female simultaneously, in the physiology. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of Brahma- loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding to details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and Brahman Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) -- snip though insofar as it expresses mantric sound/bliss/mahat/akasha, YHWH would stem specifically from the subloka of the Kinnaras, Angels, or High Elves/High Gandharvas, and presumably Tapaloka, which in the macrocosm would correspond to the cosmic Throat, 22nd or Death-state of Shiva-Brahma-Brahma and the center of Shiva's egg. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting that, Rory. It saves me the time and gasoline to drive to town tonight to get my fill of mind-numbing Hiranyagarbledygook. HA! Good one, Alex; a truly Vedic pronunciation if I ever saw one! still, I hope you can make it tonight anyhow; it's always a pleasure to see you :-) Let me put the whole thing in more psychological terms -- Vishnu or Love is the force compacting everything denser and denser into materialization inside our psychology (and our body); Brahma or Light or Consciousness is the force wherein the unrecognized portions of ourselves (those in pain) come to our attention AS portions of ourselves; and Shiva is the Laughter or bliss wherein the Self- recognition dissolves the pain as it (small I) dies into the oblivion of the larger-I...:-) Thus, something like the Byron Katie work shows us how our pain-spots (judgements, etc.) are merely unrecognized aspects of ourself (Vishnu- qualities, not yet Brahma); when we acknowledge them (now Brahma seeing itSelf), they disappear... (Shiva) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I had a disscusion Regarding the word 'knowledge' in a different group settings and we had issues in resolving the true meaning of the word. we are used to by now to see knowledge as constructed in consciousness. our consciousness stays after we drop the body, is that to say that the knowledge we gained stays with us or is it brain dependent? isn't knowledge in the common use of it in English is part of our brain and information we accumulated, then MMY expanded the term to mean something else. (i'm not stating it's correct or not, just trying to understand how the general usage of it applies vs. MMY use of the term. As I see it at the moment, the brain (bodymind, physiology, etc.) is usually the *last* to know, or to comprehend Knowledge; the brain is what finally grounds the knowledge from and of the Self out into this earthplane and our worldview. Before it contacts and changes the chemistry of the brain, knowledge appears as something like bliss-waves or lines of force (quantum-sized) which gradually densify and become more and more strongly electromagnetic (subtle- body) while positioning themselves over various portions of the brain and recording the acquired or recognized data into the physiology, i.e., changing our mind. As the mind shifts, different sensory stimuli (always present but previously unnoticed) are now picked up and eaten to generate our new worldview...or something like that :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Gravity is the unifying value of Natural Law, which promotes the progress and well-being of everyone and everything in the universe,' Maharishi said. 'The force of gravity can be commanded by the mind through Yogic Flying to produce an immediate, ''push-button'' effect of progress and well-being for the whole world.' Gravity is Love :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again- If I understand what you have written above, is it so that those 'in' CC, GC, and UC are still working out earthly karma, and hence still bound to the wheel of earthly life and death, impression- desire-fulfillment-impression? That has been my understanding and experience, yes :-) Further, since you describe ripened BC as turning the perception of Unity or UC inside out, which makes perfect sense, then it appears that Unity Conciousness has as its reference point the localized self? Yes! Like the prior states, there is still a me claiming these states as its own -- whereas ripened B.C. erases that identification :-) There is also a very good probability that not only are we each experiencing all the states simultaneously, but also in timespace sequence very rapidly -- perhaps every nanosecond or so, with every cycling of our personal Hiranyagarbha-field, but almost certainly one state each day throughout the 27 days of the Lunar cycle -- depending on what we put our attention on, of course :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting that, Rory. It saves me the time and gasoline to drive to town tonight to get my fill of mind-numbing Hiranyagarbledygook. HA! Good one, Alex; a truly Vedic pronunciation if I ever saw one! still, I hope you can make it tonight anyhow; it's always a pleasure to see you :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again- If I understand what you have written above, is it so that those 'in' CC, GC, and UC are still working out earthly karma, and hence still bound to the wheel of earthly life and death, impression- desire-fulfillment-impression? That has been my understanding and experience, yes :-) Although it is not precisely true that those enjoying B.C. etc. are *not* still working out their karma; it appears simply that they have cleared at least half of it, are free from the *need* for rebirth, and after B.C. they generally feel free and approach Life with the identity of a finder, as Spirit moving into Matter, as opposed to identifying with the seeker -- as Matter (or Being, or even Consciousness) seeking Spirit. It *may* be that those completing and recognizing the entire 27-state cycle have cleared all of their karmic backlog (for example, upon recognizing and communicating it I now feel my life-work is done here), but I suspect there is always more work to be done, somewhere or other :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Rory. As I am not at a point of seeing this directly, nor do I have such an interest currently, nonetheless it is a similar experience in the mind, as listening to the Veda being chanted is to the body. In other words there is a recognition at some pre- intellectual level of your cognitions, and a deep satisfaction in reading them. It satisfies my heart, without my intellect truly comprehending what you have written, yet somehow knowing it is right, and my world in some undefined way is a better place for it. *lol* Many thanks, Jim -- I appreciate your appreciation! :-D You use the phrase of perceiving all as 'frozen' Self. Now that directly correlates with my current experience. As if for every slice of time or reflection, all is seen as my Self. Very nice -- what I would probably call the 14th state, ripened Brahman (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva) :-) Yet the day to day experience is more like an infinite ocean of Oneness with each of us rising like a wave out of the ocean, yet not completely separate from it. So when I view my world from a more settled state, I more easily see the vastness and connectedness of it; its oceanic nature. Yet, day to day, running here and there, the wave characteristics predominate. Further, if I want to resolve anything or bring a process to conclusion, the wave to ocean/ocean to wave dynamics are what I focus on for guidance. Very nice indeed -- looks like what I've termed Krishna in the past, the 15th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva) -- a lot of fun, and very rich because of its containing all 3 gunas and also reflecting the richness of G.C. (senses and bliss), now from Wholeness :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without a doubt- otherwise what is there to do? I give up; what? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see what you mean, thank you for capturing the wave into words. :) My pleasure! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---That's obvious. At any time before or after Enlightenment, take the Bodhisattva vow to help others, in any type of body appropriate for the task. Do this for a couple of trillion mayayugas for an evaluation; then repeat as often as desired.. This doesn't make a lot of sense from certain POVs. What others would those be? What is timespace? It's almost like saying we take a vow to keep on dreaming. How could we not? It's fun. If I understnd you correctly, what you are speaking of is not really a prescription, it is a description of who we are and what has already (in a sense) come to pass; what always is, what has always been, what always will be -- there is no vow required, other than to ourself to continue to appreciate and enjoy the eternally ever-changing forms of ourself -- what is. We are one, we are many; we are a countless multitude of ourselves, showing ourselves ever-differing combinations of ourselves in the permutations of love, consciousness and bliss -- like dipping our fingers of pure invisible light into a denser portion or medium of ourselves and watching them bend a bit and split into colors as we pass through that medium. And yet we are none of the above, never have been, never will be. Our fingers are only an idea inside us; that medium is only an idea inside us, nothing more. And yet in a sense that is all we are -- always has been, always will be. All of that occurs inside us, not the other way around. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is consciousness independent of the physical body? There are a couple of ways to define consciousness; my current understanding of it is as not-Self, and merely one of the three gunas (along with love and bliss, or matter and energy) of apparent Self- expression. In this sense consciousness is an expression and as such denser than who we really are, albeit not necessarily as dense as a physical body as the term is commonly understood. I have seen countless examples of consciousness independent of a gross physical body. But what I have seen or not seen doesn't really count, so far as your reality is concerned. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is consciousness independent of the physical body? There are a couple of ways to define consciousness; snip A couple of ways -- what a laugh! There are countless ways for consciousness to define itself :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is consciousness independent of the physical body? There are a couple of ways to define consciousness; snip A couple of ways -- what a laugh! There are countless ways for consciousness to define itself :-) My current favorite is consciousness is Light (Brahma; rajas), the intermediary between Matter (Love-Being, Vishnu, sattva) and Energy (Bliss, Shiva, tamas) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip We are one, we are many; we are a countless multitude of ourselves, showing ourselves ever-differing combinations of ourselves in the permutations of love, consciousness and bliss -- like dipping our fingers of pure invisible light into a denser portion or medium of ourselves and watching them bend a bit and split into colors as we pass through that medium. And yet we are none of the above, never have been, never will be. Our fingers are only an idea inside us; that medium is only an idea inside us, nothing more. And yet in a sense that is all we are -- always has been, always will be. All of that occurs inside us, not the other way around. :-) Or, not *only* the other way around -- except from the the POV of that piece of us who happens to be incarnating that particular idea :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, paradox twice again rears its mirrored head! The true nature of Self is infinite, formless, undifferentiated. Yet, to be aware of it requires consciousness of its Self. Attention on the Infinite is pure conciousness. Awareness aware of its Self. And so we can be aware of our Self, and yet that awareness, even in absolute purity is not ourselves. So as that pure awareness begins to differentiate infinity into infinite expressions; infinite awarenesses of infinite expressions, a subtle bias, born of bliss, insinuates itself into the process. This subtle bias of attention, of differentiated consciousness, creates whole form; a singularity, which expresses its own consciousness as ignorance, separation, maya. The singularity then perceives what it has become, the world of whole forms, the world of illusion, of dreaming. A consciousness of separation. The singularity then searches the apparently manifest reality in search of itself, compelled by the memory of its Self, the seed of which resides within. And back to the beginning; Each cycle of awareness creating a wholly new and differentiated world, based on the infinite consciousness, the infinite awareness, the infinite appreciation of the Self of its Self. From unenlightened pure consciousness to ignorance to enlightenened pure consciousness, and over again. Sweet. Yes, I'd say from Self to and as Being and Consciousness and Bliss -- then into these bodies, mixed and matched for spacetime play -- rinse and repeat as necessary, in lovely sequences of more and more Wholeness, eventually inclusive of more and more ignorance as time in a sense reverses after the pivot-NOW-point of B.C. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics misc
A couple of ways -- what a laugh! There are countless ways for consciousness to define itself :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 17 at last count, I believe. Seems more like googolplexes -- but perhaps we are defining defining in different ways -- kind of like defining what is is :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Pall and Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:56 AM, akasha_108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is typically a menu of ritual services with prices and Hindus with money pay routinely for such services. Or perhaps, Hindus who pay routinely for such services end up with money. :) I wouldn't be surprised, they do work, like any properly performed ritual. Sweet Lakshmi, my black-eyed Susan of the Grand Googol! She Lakshmi, she lakshmi not ... she lakshmi! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either that - or someone kept count on your enlightened ramblings.. :-) *LOL* And they only found 17? One of us is slipping :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Online Etymology Dictionary: surprise (n.) c.1457, unexpected attack or capture, from M.Fr. surprise a taking unawares, from noun use of pp. of O.Fr. surprendre to overtake, from sur- over + prendre to take, from L. prendere, contracted from prehendere to grasp, seize (see prehensile). Meaning something unexpected first recorded 1592, that of feeling caused by something unexpected is 1608. Meaning fancy dish is attested from 1708. From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Whereupon since Nobody has Nothing better to do, Nobody decides to be somebody :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
sparaig wrote: Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. Rory Goff wrote: I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) sparaig wrote: No idea... You have no idea how your interpretation of witnessing differs from other people's here? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) No idea... So you and Rory are in synch. :) I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) Or unless we use witnessing to mean a specific distancing technique to separate ourselves quickly from bondage to (and identification with) our suffering (e.g. locating it in the body etc.), which IMO is best immediately followed by a unitive technique (embracing it in attention or unconditional love, allowing it to breathe, speak, etc.) to completely assimilate and dissolve the suffering into ecstacy or bliss, revitlizing the bodymind :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) Or unless we use witnessing to mean a specific distancing technique to separate ourselves quickly from bondage to (and identification with) our suffering (e.g. locating it in the body etc.), which IMO is best immediately followed by a unitive technique (embracing it in attention or unconditional love, allowing it to breathe, speak, etc.) to completely assimilate and dissolve the suffering into ecstacy or bliss, revitlizing the bodymind :-) OTOH if somone is genuinely enlivened and enlovened and enlightened and enlaughtered by the TMO's definition of witnessing et al., then more power to them, say I :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is the only one outside the humor loop. I did see the obvious surface implications of no idea; I was just trying to go a little deeper into Sparaig's statement about how he interpreted witnessing differently from others here -- to no avail, obviously :-) Funny, I always figured Brahman had a good sense of humor. Now THAT is funny! :-) I mean look at that maya thing. Yeah, you'll die laughing :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is the only one outside the humor loop. Funny, I always figured Brahman had a good sense of humor. I mean look at that maya thing. Your Wholeness apparently doesn't allow anger and humorlessness -- does that perhaps make anger and humorlessness more powerful than Wholeness, capable of overshadowing Wholeness? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 27 States of consciousness (Was: To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The pairs Purna Phalguni (former red one (?), delta Leonis) and Uttara Phalguni (latter red one (?), beta Leonis, Denebola) now align with the two halves of Transcendence (Transcendence-I, Purna Phalguni, state 8: Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva, finest level of matter/Being, and Transcendence-II, Uttara Phalguni, state 9: Brahma- Vishnu-Vishnu, densest level of Light/Consciousness). Now we have Leo and (I believe) Ursa Major (the 7 rishis of the Great Bear) occupying the gap between the two sides of Transcendence, between Vishnu's mount and Brahma's egg. The traditional translation of Phalguni as red one does not make a lot of sense to me. snip OTOH, red is indeed the densest/slowest visible form of Light, as anger is perhaps one of the densest forms of Consciousness! Perhaps the other half of red is indeed also the finest form of matter/Being :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 27 States of consciousness (Was: To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The pairs Purna Phalguni (former red one (?), delta Leonis) and Uttara Phalguni (latter red one (?), beta Leonis, Denebola) now align with the two halves of Transcendence (Transcendence-I, Purna Phalguni, state 8: Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva, finest level of matter/Being, and Transcendence-II, Uttara Phalguni, state 9: Brahma- Vishnu-Vishnu, densest level of Light/Consciousness). Now we have Leo and (I believe) Ursa Major (the 7 rishis of the Great Bear) occupying the gap between the two sides of Transcendence, between Vishnu's mount and Brahma's egg. The traditional translation of Phalguni as red one does not make a lot of sense to me. snip OTOH, red is indeed the densest/slowest visible form of Light, as anger is perhaps one of the densest forms of Consciousness! Perhaps the other half of red is indeed also the finest form of matter/Being :-) Guessing this would be infrared...:-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 27 States of consciousness (Was: To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The pairs Purna Phalguni (former red one (?), delta Leonis) and Uttara Phalguni (latter red one (?), beta Leonis, Denebola) now align with the two halves of Transcendence (Transcendence-I, Purna Phalguni, state 8: Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva, finest level of matter/Being, and Transcendence-II, Uttara Phalguni, state 9: Brahma- Vishnu-Vishnu, densest level of Light/Consciousness). Now we have Leo and (I believe) Ursa Major (the 7 rishis of the Great Bear) occupying the gap between the two sides of Transcendence, between Vishnu's mount and Brahma's egg. The traditional translation of Phalguni as red one does not make a lot of sense to me. snip OTOH, red is indeed the densest/slowest visible form of Light, as anger is perhaps one of the densest forms of Consciousness! Perhaps the other half of red is indeed also the finest form of matter/Being :-) Guessing this would be infrared...:-) Wondering if Infrared is equivalent to Vishnu, Visible light is Brahma, and Ultraviolet is Shiva. This would certainly tie in with visions of one end (the Mother, Vishnu) of the Hiranyagarbha being red, the other end (the Father, Shiva) being bluish, and also experiences of fusion with one's Solar Angel in Brahman, and the bliss of dissolution of the visible world in Shiva. Applying this in microcosm to the sub-sub-gunas of Brahma-Brahma we'd have Unity (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) as infrared light, B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma, fusion with Solar Angel) as visible light, and Unity-prime, the complement of U.C., ripened B.C. (Brahma-Brahma- Shiva) as ultraviolet light. Following up on this with the egg of Brahma as the entire E-M spectrum we might equate Radio waves with C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu- Brahma), Microwave with G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva), Infrared with U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu), Visible spectrum with B.C. (Brahma- Brahma-Brahma), Ultraviolet with the complement of U.C. (ripened Brahman, Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), X-rays with the complement of G.C. (Krishna; Shiva as Vishnu, Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), and Gamma-rays with the complement of C.C. (Shiva; Shiva as Brahma, Brahma-Shiva- Brahma)... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 27 States of consciousness (Was: To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment)
Many thanks, Vaj. I also really like the definition below of weak,
etc., as I have just now been playing with the possibilities that
the 3 Vishnu-Vishnu subgunas (Conception, pre-natal sleep, pre-natal
dream) introduce Gravity; the 3 Vishnu-Brahma subgunas (pre-natal
waking, birth, and sleep) introduce the Strong force; the 3 Vishnu-
Shiva subgunas (dreaming, waking, T.C.-I) introduce the Weak force
(hence purva phalguni); and the 3 Brahma-Vishnu subgunas (T.C.-II,
C.C., and G.C.) introduce the Electromagnetic force.
The 3 Brahma-Brahma subgunas (U.C., B.C, ripened B.C.) introduce
and destroy or embrace the True Self, pivoting around B.C. as the
end of spacetime; then the 3 Brahma-Shiva subgunas reiterate the
Brahma-Vishnus, embracing the E-M force; the 3 Shiva-Vishnu subgunas
embrace the Weak force; the 3 Shiva-Brahma subgunas embrace the
Strong force; and the 3 Shiva-Shiva subgunas embrace the
Gravitational force :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
phalgu means reddish. It's probably referring to the reddish
powder, a earthly receptor for this stellar force-- ginger
which
has a reddish powder made from it's root. Purva phalguni is also
the
deity Aryaman which is the god of the setting sun, and thus
reddish. Uttara Phalguni is the blind sun (Bhaga).
phalgu
mf(%{U84} , or %{vI})n. reddish , red TS. ; small , minute ,
feeble ,
weak , pithless , unsubstantial , insignificant , worthless ,
unprofitable , useless VS. c. c. ; f. Ficus Oppositifolia L. ;
a
red powder usually of the root of wild ginger (coloured with
sappan
wood and thrown over one another by the Hindu1s at the Holi1
festival ; cf. %{phalgU7tsava}) W. ; the spring season L. ; (scil.
%
{vAc}) a falsehood lie L. ; N. of a river flowing Past Gaya1 MBh.
Hariv. ; du. (in astrol.) N. of a Nakshatra.
phAlguna
mf(%{I4})n. relating to the Nakshatra Phalguni1 S3Br. S3rS. ;
born
under the NÒNakshatra PhÒPhalguni1 Pa1n2. 4-3 , 34 (v.l.) ; m.
(with
or scil. %{mAsa}) the month during which the full moon stands in
the
NÒNakshatra PhÒPhalguni1 (February-March) Mn. MBh. ; N. of Arjuna
(= %
{phalguna}) MBh. Hariv. ; Terminalia Arjuna (= %{nadI-ja}) L. ; (%
{I}) f. see below ; n. a species of grass used as a substitute
for
the Soma plant (and also called %{arjunAnI}) S3Br. TBr. A1s3vS3r.
[718,2] ; N. of a place of pilgrimage BhP.
On Oct 22, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
The traditional translation of
Phalguni as red one does not make a lot of sense to me. I am
tempted
to see Phal- as fruit and -Guni as guna, action
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[FairfieldLife] 27 States of consciousness (Was: To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks, Vaj. I also really like the definition below of weak, etc., as I have just now been playing with the possibilities that the 3 Vishnu-Vishnu subgunas (Conception, pre-natal sleep, pre- natal dream) introduce Gravity; the 3 Vishnu-Brahma subgunas (pre-natal waking, birth, and sleep) introduce the Strong force; the 3 Vishnu- Shiva subgunas (dreaming, waking, T.C.-I) introduce the Weak force (hence purva phalguni); and the 3 Brahma-Vishnu subgunas (T.C.-II, C.C., and G.C.) introduce the Electromagnetic force. The 3 Brahma-Brahma subgunas (U.C., B.C, ripened B.C.) introduce and destroy or embrace the True Self, pivoting around B.C. as the end of spacetime; then the 3 Brahma-Shiva subgunas reiterate the Brahma-Vishnus, embracing the E-M force; the 3 Shiva-Vishnu subgunas embrace the Weak force; the 3 Shiva-Brahma subgunas embrace the Strong force; and the 3 Shiva-Shiva subgunas embrace the Gravitational force :-) By introduce I mean, allow one to identify with, incarnate within; by embrace I mean allow one to assimilate, digest, dissolve and resolve into bliss...again, the two poles of Love/Matter and Bliss/Energy... :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always equated Shiva with Jesus As in Jehesua Jehovasha shivoham Pass the butter. You ever read Alain Danielou's book, Gods of Ecstasy? Very nice correlates between Shiva and Dionysos, whom many others equate with Jesus...:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always equated Shiva with Jesus As in Jehesua Jehovasha shivoham Pass the butter. You ever read Alain Danielou's book, Gods of Ecstasy? Very nice correlates between Shiva and Dionysos, whom many others equate with Jesus...:-) Correction: Gods of Love and Ecstasy: The Traditions of Shiva and Dionysus ... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. snip Excellent points, Unc; many thanks. This post reminds me deeply of a number of personal extradimensional interactions, one of which involved four of us being instructed by luminous Pleaidian bliss- fields (subjectively, my higher self) to hold hands, dance in a circle, and lift off, which we did, as our bodies and the world dissolved into space. (I had had childhood dreams of doing this with other kids, and now suddenly realized they weren't really dreams at all.) After returning to earth amidst intense clarity and ectasy and a highly-charged, newly-luminous body, I couldn't figure out if this had really happened to us on the physical plane or not. It certainly didn't feel like any astral projection I had ever done, and there were *four* of us who had experienced this together, but still...? But the thought strongly came, don't even ask the question; Matter and Spirit are ONE! However, I strongly suspect that the state of consciousness of any theoretical observers would very much dictate what or how much of our levitation/dissolution they perceived. And as you say, while the phenomenon itself was mind-blowing, the real benefit was the healing and home-coming derived from the utterly delightful Pleaidian energy- field around it. Virtually all the other extradimensional interactions since then have shared this same quality of other- consciousness -- not precisely dream-state, not waking-state, but somehow a fusion of the two -- and always meeting seemingly-unusual beings as old friends, or relatives, or other-selves. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! S C A R E D of the S A C R E D :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it possible that there was some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level but that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually witnessed it. So. To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to tell us that you DID see real levitation when it is obvious that -- even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from what could remotely be described as real? If what *he* experienced was remotely like what *we* experienced, it could definitely be described as real -- if by real you mean profoundly significant, life-changing, and so on. Much realer, more meaningful, than the normal reality had been, in some ways. If by real you mean a shared consensus with *everyone* else -- I am not sure this is ever possible with this kind of mind-bending phenomena, given the tenacity with which some people adhere to their own reality-constructs. I mean, even with standard psychological tests, you can get 11 witnesses swearing to 11 (sometimes) radically different versions of the same event... though in those cases it is true the videotape will pick up the truth of the matter (or will it?). Interesting questions, for sure :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) Free advice...and the teachers would get the endorsement from MMY... Ahh, I see -- you are assuming then that he would *not* be micromanaging the new organisation...? Because if you gave him that kind of leeway or authority, it would seem you'd be going right back to square one, repeating the same old patterns of the first org...:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual power and the rest of you peons haven't. Take some advice, Unc: if you truly have experienced such an incredible phenomenon that is unprovable, restrain your obviously uncontrollable desire to tell the world how cool you are and keep it to yourself. Unc, from my side I am most happy to hear your account(s) -- you have really helped clarify and confirm some of my own thoughts on phenomena of this sort, and I thank you :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's entirely possible he can be a decent, genuine human being in person. Jim's right; I think you both are truly great -- as is Jim himself! Let's raise a glass to all three of you -- if not tonight in a cafe in Paris in 3-D, perhaps we are there in E-D (extradimensionality) -- the space of the Heart :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a.m.t. spillover
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I second that. I am leaving this group because there is so much stupid threads going on and on and on about nothing. Get a fvcking job guys. Go help old ladies, travel the world. Get a life. Have a good one and a great one, Offworld -- thanks for hanging with us :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on these phenomena if you care to share them. Many of us have had these experiences which are experienced as real, yet not quite physical. You've spoken before about possible explanations. If you care to again, I'm sure there is more interest than just mine on the board here. I don't know, Jim. An easy solution would be to ascribe the phenomena to one or another of the subtle bodies, but such a categorizing doesn't quite seem to do them justice. Generally speaking, it is not really difficult to distinguish between subtle, interior, subjective experiences (like out-of-body experiences, OOBs and overshadowing) and gross, exterior, objective ones, and somehow these phenomena fit neither category, or both. Indeed there is a clear sense of the quickening or raising of the vibration of the physical body before these fluid-state phenomena occur, and the distinct feeling that one does not leave the physical body behind as one might in an OOB experience. Rather, it is as if the physical form itself becomes subtle. Unlike any subtle-body experience I ever encountered, this phenomenon is so mind-blowing precisely *because it appears to be physical.* Very deep-seated understandings of physical-vs.non-physical, real vs. less-real all have to go out the window. Since that first time, it has become more evident that interdimensional or extradimensional portals are (probably) always available -- one apparently need only have the understanding of the Now and the True desire to recontact these other aspects of ourself to effect a visible, heartfelt reunion with extremely specific and physically(?)-detailed beings in the sea of Love. Somehow now that I think of it this does not seem so different from the specific enlivenment of the various devas and rishis etc. within the body during a puja or yagya. These too seem to be both rather subtle and gross simultaneously. There is much here that remains a Mystery to me :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Someone asked an honest question, I gave an hones answer. That's all. All the pissy stuff isince has been from people who didn't like the answer, or what it implied about their assumptions about an experience they've never had but feel they know everything about. It's like this anytime the subject comes up anywhere. Anybody think this is an accurate, honest account of the basis for the objections? I think we *all* may get a little pissy when our own Reality is impugned :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Hey Jim! Many thanks. A few responses interleaved below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory wrote: Indeed there is a clear sense of the quickening or raising of the vibration of the physical body before these fluid-state phenomena occur, and the distinct feeling that one does not leave the physical body behind as one might in an OOB experience. Yes, that has been my experience also. I would be most interested in hearing any specifics, if you'd like to give them :-) R wrote: Rather, it is as if the physical form itself becomes subtle. Unlike any subtle-body experience I ever encountered, this phenomenon is so mind- blowing precisely *because it appears to be physical.* Very deep-seated understandings of physical-vs.non-physical, real vs. less- real all have to go out the window. Jim wrote: Yes, this makes sense. Perhaps we seek and then have these experiences precisely to tackle the boundary of physical vs not in order to broaden our awareness to the entire spectrum of vibration, ultimately lessening our false distinctions between one state and another, yet at the same time enjoying the precision which distiguishes one state from another. Nicely put! :-) R: Since that first time, it has become more evident that interdimensional or extradimensional portals are (probably) always available -- one apparently need only have the understanding of the Now and the True desire to recontact these other aspects of ourself to effect a visible, heartfelt reunion with extremely specific and physically(?)-detailed beings in the sea of Love. J: Yes, this has been my experience also. Any specifics you'd like to share? R: Somehow now that I think of it this does not seem so different from the specific enlivenment of the various devas and rishis etc. within the body during a puja or yagya. These too seem to be both rather subtle and gross simultaneously. There is much here that remains a Mystery to me :-) J: Thank God that life remains an eternal mystery. It was actually something of a relief to read theories and accounts of how large the Universe actually is or may be. Increasingly vast seas of orderliness to explore and discover, infinitely. World without end, Amen. AMEN :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. I completely agree. Subtle (or not-so-subtle) denial of the perfection of this Now in favor of some imaginary or conceptual not-Now appears to be the foundation of (belief in) ignorance. Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's much more important than spouting theory about enlightenment... :-) Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thanks for responding Rory. Your Nowness is always much appreciated! Thanks for sharing these, Jim! Your boundless appreciation is always much appreciated! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think my inner dialogues had moulded the ground for this transition. Can definitely relate, Irmeli -- after getting fed up with the carrot- on-a-stick and deciding to accept/insist on Perfection NOW, the mind lit up with a very rapid dialectic that bottomed into the transition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nyah. The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened, snip Gotta say it's more like a memory of a memory of a memory -- not a lot of juice there. Rather, am continually surprised by people's steadfast refusal to see the obvious, though to be fair I was equally shocked at my own erstwhile abilities to deny the ever- present obvious when I finally gave up and admitted it :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. I completely agree. Subtle (or not-so-subtle) denial of the perfection of this Now in favor of some imaginary or conceptual not-Now appears to be the foundation of (belief in) ignorance. It's not just denial or conceptual or imaginary or belief, Rory. Actually, as far as I can see, that is precisely what it is. Could be completely wrong, of course :-) And that formulation--unintentionally in your case, I'm sure--is insulting and demeaning to those whose living reality it is. It's certainly not my intent to insult or demean anyone, Judy; most emphatically not You; I love you with all my heart. I only meant to point out how my awakening appeared to me, and how my previous ignorance seemed to work in denying the ever-present awakening. I realize that this may be of no great benefit to the conscious mind of anyone believing themselves to be in ignorance, but I am not particularly interested in that part of the conscious mind, anyhow. The best it can do is deny Perfection Now (like an addiction to the past or future) until it bottoms out and gives up into what IS. I am speaking rather to and for the part of Us that knows the Truth -- to awaken or stimulate the US that always IS. Byron Katie is a far clearer sage than I am though -- she actually gives a deceptively simple technique for discovering Perfection Now in her book Loving what Is. If you haven't read and practiced her Work, I highly recommend her! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-) How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow. I take your point; how very unusual that we are all on the same wavelength, simultaneously reading such an obscure children's book! It would be different if it were an international best-seller or something of course... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be for you, assuming you're realized. No, I am not realized; *au contraire* I am falsified, slain, dismembered, scattered to the winds of Love by remembering Reality IS :-) That doesn't mean that's what it is for those of us who aren't realized. Yes, I see. Thank You, my love! :-) snip I only meant to point out how my awakening appeared to me, and how my previous ignorance seemed to work in denying the ever-present awakening. I realize that this may be of no great benefit to the conscious mind of anyone believing themselves to be in ignorance, It's of no great benefit to the conscious mind of anyone who *IS* in ignorance. Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist that ignorance is real, not merely a belief -- but the distinction is still somewhat moot to me. I am not speaking of a casual surface- mind belief here, but rather the core-belief in self-other separation, something believed with the entire (conscious) bodymind. but I am not particularly interested in that part of the conscious mind, anyhow. Yes, but WE are! Yes, here's where I am probably of much less help than Byron Katie would be :-) The best it can do is deny Perfection Now It doesn't deny it, Rory. The mind--the intellect-- is designed to be *ignorant* of Perfection Now. Yes, I found that ignorance to be an active (albeit previously- unconscious) denial or *ignoring* of Wholeness. It cannot be any other way or it would be useless for physical survival. Interesting! Is that true? My understanding is the only thing it was really concerned with was its own survival *as a separate entity,* with the assumption of separation allowing it (in my case) to continually judge itself as better than/less than the other, etc. It did not prove to be necessary (in its old form) for physical survival of the bodymind as US in perfection-now, at any rate. And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after realization as well. Maybe so. My understanding is that the old intellect virtually disappears into something more like moment-to-moment intuition or appreciation of the continuously emerging miracle of here-now. But to that part which is realized, this too is Perfection Now. Yes, quite True, it all is :-) (like an addiction to the past or future) until it bottoms out and gives up into what IS. I am speaking rather to and for the part of Us that knows the Truth -- to awaken or stimulate the US that always IS. Maybe it awakens or stimulates some, but any such statements that don't begin, I know this is not your current reality, but my reality is... But you see, I *don't* know that this is not your current reality, other than by your telling me so. I am beginning to believe you, though :-) just serve to put me off. There's no reason you have to convey these Truths as if they *were* my reality and I was just being willfully stubborn in not acknowledging them. I cannot at all pretend to speak for your reality as a separate being, Judy, nor am I *ever* able to comment on any idea of your possessing willful stubborness or lack thereof, as in my Heart of Hearts, you do not exist *as a separate being* any more than I do. Anything I comment upon, is *always* some element of myself alone. You and I are mingling waves of the Love of Us is about the best I can put it, or maybe you are one beautifully-clear mirror-facet of I. So I am not attempting to comment on your qualities as a separate reality; I can only ever comment on how it all looked to me upon awakening -- as Jim reminds us, Truth is different, etc. :-) It worries me a little to think what might happen if a significant number of people become realized. If they all behave like this--with the best will in the world--toward those still in ignorance, there's going to be trouble. Yes, maybe death, dismemberment and scattering to the winds of Love :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened Do they? So it would seem. Going into the house doesn't mean that you can't see the garden and all that... It appears to me to be more like waking up doesn't mean you can recall the dream. You'd better watch out, Judy, I am starting to disbelieve you are in ignorance, again :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just be. Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. Try to just be? No try, just do. Do be? To do is to be -- Socrates To be is to do -- Kant Doo-be-doo-be-doo -- Sinatra To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, was going to say obscure? My irony meter wasn't working very well for a moment... :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It worries me a little to think what might happen if a significant number of people become realized. If they all behave like this--with the best will in the world--toward those still in ignorance, there's going to be trouble. One further thought: unconditional love and compassion is not the same as empathy. Without empathy--and a good healthy dose of common sense--unconditional love and compassion may end up doing more harm than good. Empathizing doesn't mean accepting; it *does* mean being able to acknowledge, and to tread carefully. I *do* acknowledge your assessment of your condition, and that for you your assessment of you is realer than mine is of you (as of course it must and should be, if we are separate); but what is it I am to tread carefully around? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just be. Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. Try to just be? No try, just do. Do be? To do is to be -- Socrates To be is to do -- Kant Doo-be-doo-be-doo -- Sinatra Scoobie Dobbie Do --Sara Michelle Geller? Nice :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It appears to me to be more like waking up doesn't mean you can recall the dream. You'd better watch out, Judy, I am starting to disbelieve you are in ignorance, again :-) No, see, that conclusion is purely a product of the distinction-making intellect. It's based on observation of the kinds of things realized people tend to say. It's as if you all need to be reeducated as to what it was like for you before you awakened, at least if you expect to be able to converse with those in ignorance. Yes, after participating on FFL for the past few years I have reluctantly come to believe that no really meaningful discussion can be held on that particular subject -- hence the wise not speaking and so on. *Except* with those who are *on the brink* as it were :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist that ignorance is real, not merely a belief -- but the distinction is still somewhat moot to me. I am not speaking of a casual surface- mind belief here, but rather the core-belief in self-other separation, something believed with the entire (conscious) bodymind. I think using the term belief muddles rather than clarifies. I think perhaps *anything* I say is going to muddle rather than clarify, so perhaps I should just wise up and shut up :-) snip The best it can do is deny Perfection Now It doesn't deny it, Rory. The mind--the intellect-- is designed to be *ignorant* of Perfection Now. Yes, I found that ignorance to be an active (albeit previously- unconscious) denial or *ignoring* of Wholeness. That's what you find it *now*. That is not what you found it *then*. That was what I found -- in myself -- immediately upon awakening, yes. It cannot be any other way or it would be useless for physical survival. Interesting! Is that true? My understanding is the only thing it was really concerned with was its own survival *as a separate entity,* with the assumption of separation allowing it (in my case) to continually judge itself as better than/less than the other, etc. Yes, Rory, evolution operates on the level of biology. Biologically, we're separate individuals, and our physical survival as individuals--and as a species, at least in a state of nature--requires a mental apparatus that is designed for making distinctions: this is a stick, that is a poisonous snake. Evolutionarily speaking, the mind was not designed to assist us in realizing Unity. That we are capable of realizing Unity is a peculiar artefact of self-consciousness. I think maybe our culture was not designed for it, as it has actually been present forever (more obviously at some times than others) and for lack of vocabulary and consensus and so on, it came to be generally ignored (in this particular bodymind) until reading the Upanishads reawoke it, and later TM reawoke it, and finally ceasing TM and acknowledging perfection now stabilized it. I apologize in advance for the serious inaccuracies this paragraph embodies :-) It's not the case that the mind is lazy or naughty or malfunctioning when it defends itself. It's working just as it was designed to work. It did not prove to be necessary (in its old form) for physical survival of the bodymind as US in perfection-now, at any rate. Think about it a little more. I am sorry, I am no great thinker these days. I am only saying our survival does *not now* depend on the intellect in its separatist functioning; that we do not physically die when it ceases to separate us from not-us. I am not saying everything becomes an indistinguishible blob... most of the time :-) And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after realization as well. Maybe so. My understanding is that the old intellect virtually disappears into something more like moment-to-moment intuition or appreciation of the continuously emerging miracle of here-now. Yeah, but it's still making distinctions. The traffic light is green, the traffic light is red. This is a bottle of milk, this is a bottle of drain cleaner. Absolutely. Unless we choose to shift the vibration out of this particular movie, it keeps merrily running along, bless its heart :-) snip Maybe it awakens or stimulates some, but any such statements that don't begin, I know this is not your current reality, but my reality is... But you see, I *don't* know that this is not your current reality, other than by your telling me so. I am beginning to believe you, though :-) Believe it. That's what ignorance is, Rory. See? You've forgotten. You're ignorant of ignorance. Absolutely - a memory of a memory and so on ... I am basically asleep or dreaming in most of (my) creation, and there is not much to really grab my attention until I stir and begin to wake -- then the fun begins :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It worries me a little to think what might happen if a significant number of people become realized. If they all behave like this--with the best will in the world--toward those still in ignorance, there's going to be trouble. One further thought: unconditional love and compassion is not the same as empathy. Without empathy--and a good healthy dose of common sense--unconditional love and compassion may end up doing more harm than good. Empathizing doesn't mean accepting; it *does* mean being able to acknowledge, and to tread carefully. I *do* acknowledge your assessment of your condition, and that for you your assessment of you is realer than mine is of you (as of course it must and should be, if we are separate); but what is it I am to tread carefully around? *Feelings*. Yes; feelings are most important. What feelings are arising that you would like me to tread carefully around? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It appears to me to be more like waking up doesn't mean you can recall the dream. You'd better watch out, Judy, I am starting to disbelieve you are in ignorance, again :-) No, see, that conclusion is purely a product of the distinction-making intellect. It's based on observation of the kinds of things realized people tend to say. It's as if you all need to be reeducated as to what it was like for you before you awakened, at least if you expect to be able to converse with those in ignorance. I don't mean to sound snappish, by the way. I'm just trying to be as clear as I possibly can be. No, no, it's OK -- you are reminding me that I am unable to actually discuss this with those in ignorance. The trouble is, my heart does *not* see you in ignorance :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sorry, I keep having further thoughts on this: The mind can certainly get into making distinctions that go way beyond what's needed for survival, to the point where it becomes actually *harmful* to the physical survival of the individual, even the entire species. Agreed! snip And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after realization as well. Maybe so. My understanding is that the old intellect virtually disappears into something more like moment-to-moment intuition or appreciation of the continuously emerging miracle of here-now. I'd suggest it gets whittled back to making the kinds of distinctions that are necessary for survival, albeit perhaps survival more broadly defined than the merely keep-me-alive- long-enough-to-pass-on-my-genes variety. *lol* Yeah, I don't think my genes are going anywhere :-) And it seems survival/desires have become completely autonomic: that the larger bodymind (inside and out) and everyone in it takes care of everything pretty nicely -- unless out of old habit I should choose to get in there and override, micromanage, and generally screw things up. Even so the homeostatic balance reasserts itself pretty quickly :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real magic of Harry Potter (no spoilers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And, IMO, it doesn't, and never has. What the world needs is a book or set of books that does for enlightenment what the Harry Potter books have done for magic -- make it ordinary, everyday. Because it is. It doesn't *replace* everyday life, with its trials and tribulations and pettiness and glories. It merely adds to that life, supplements it. The most valuable teaching about enlightenment I know of is, Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water; after enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. Enlightenment changes nothing. But everything is changed, because enlight- enment is added into the mix. I suspect that if more teachers talked like that, instead of putting the enlightened up on a pedestal, and the concept of enlightenment up there with it, more people would actually become enlightened. Nice observations; agreed! Only by throwing all the so-called criteria away did ordinary/extraordinary Reality reawaken here, at any rate. We stumble headlong into THAT, warts and all :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
