Re: Goldenseal/ was Re: for Barbara (Baass)
i hadn't realized there WAS such a website, actually, just did a google search--but i used to have the books by the same name. (lost in the divorce back in 79!) so was excited to see it!
Goldenseal/ was Re: for Barbara (Baass)
Yeaa! Thanks, MC - I've been giving Echinacea/Golden seal to Harry, with a UTI, and have also started it with a couple of other cats. I'm going out to that web site and do some reading! Gloria At 04:08 PM 5/13/2005, you wrote: http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/g/golsea27.html more than you ever wanted to know about golden seal! it's been used forever (well, maybe not QUITE that long) for a lot of medicinal purposes--it's considered one of THE herbs to always have around -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: I NEED HELP -Traveling with kitties
Alejandra - I agree - drive them! It's 660 miles, not that bad. Glad you got the kind of help you need! This is a great group. Thanks, MC, for the nice comments, it was great being a part of that phenomenal event! I drove from Washington, DC, in 1977, to Little Rock, AR, took 3 or 4 days. Came with Jacques, my wonderful beloved tuxedo kitty. 1 cat carrier, 1 regular litter box used evenings and periodically during the day. I didn't have food or water except at stops, as it can move around and make a mess. A couple of weeks ago, I drove a 1 day, round trip, Little Rock, AR almost to Tyler Texas, to get two kitties, Cheyenne (FELV) and Charlie (FIV). I was pretty well prepared. Had two large carriers, they fit comfortably into the back of my station wagon. Each carrier had a small little box (1 was $5 at Petsmart). Water was provided at stops, but not while driving. They did very well! It was a 12 hour day for me, I stopped several times on the way home. Gloria At 12:50 PM 5/12/2005, you wrote: THANK YOU!! I am so happy for had found this group. Every time I had a question, doubt or I need advice I receive wise answers from you. I do not feel alone. Alejandra
RE: I NEED HELP
I recently flew with my Tucson from NY to Tucson & back… Had her in a soft-sided carrier that airlines told me would fit under seat but of course it did not (I put her on seat next to me). Anyway, whatever carry-on I had was for her—Disposable litter tray, food, water, puppy pads, toys, medicines, supplements, leash & halter, and on & on. Did I use any of it??? Absolutely not. She wouldn’t eat or drink (though I did wet her mouth & paws periodically—something she definitely did not like!). She slept the whole way; tried taking her out in my stopover in Dallas & she just looked at me like I was insane! My carrier did have flaps so she could see out thru the mesh & she seemed content with that. Entire trip from leaving home to getting to my parents’ apartment probably took 12 hours and though she was a little grumpy for the next day or two, she never stopped eating so I knew we were OK…. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: I NEED HELP A friend of mine moved here from Kansas and brought her kitty in a carrier. She did stops for him to give him water and food and spend a little time with him and stayed in a motel that night so he wouldn't be stressed out and had his litter box. He did just great. You have to be sure he gets to go to the bathroom on the road too. For sure don't drive straight through. Karolyn Lount <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, It should be no trouble to take your cats with you. Lots of people drive across country with cats. The first thing is you should not plan on driving straight thru. That is dangerous to you and other people on the road Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
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http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/g/golsea27.html more than you ever wanted to know about golden seal! it's been used forever (well, maybe not QUITE that long) for a lot of medicinal purposes--it's considered one of THE herbs to always have around -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: I NEED HELP
good idea about the water bottles! wished i'd had some on a recent transport i did. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT--have to share my vet clinic news
what goes around comes around for sure--sometimes, tho, i just wish it happened sooner and i could get to watch "time wounds all heels," after all -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Ginger
Title: Message Hey, think nothing of it, Michelle--you'd do the same for us. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:40 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Ginger It's amazing what a shower can do. I do feel more able to survive at the moment. Thanks for the push toward personal hygiene, Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 3:04:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You will be amused, eventually---when you're ensconced in your new home, probably. I would bet my life realtors seen a lot worse (have you ever seen the Lifetime show How Clean is Your House? You would not believe the way some people live ALL THE TIME!). Enjoy that shower! Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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It's amazing what a shower can do. I do feel more able to survive at the moment. Thanks for the push toward personal hygiene, Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 3:04:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You will be amused, eventually---when you're ensconced in your new home, probably. I would bet my life realtors seen a lot worse (have you ever seen the Lifetime show How Clean is Your House? You would not believe the way some people live ALL THE TIME!). Enjoy that shower! Kerry
RE: Ginger
Title: Message You will be amused, eventually---when you're ensconced in your new home, probably. I would bet my life realtors seen a lot worse (have you ever seen the Lifetime show How Clean is Your House? You would not believe the way some people live ALL THE TIME!). Enjoy that shower! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Ginger I decided to take a shower and brush my teeth and generally try to appear human, maybe even straighten up the house that has turned into a hovel, but wouldn't you know that before I could there is a knock on the door. Apparently Gray made an appointment with the realtor and did not tell me, and then left for the day. So I had to invite her in wearing a sweatshirt with A/D all over it from syringe feeding, uncombed hair that is greasy from not showering, and a house such a mess that there was really nowhere to sit down where we were not staring at a pile of papers of something. I tried to act nonchalant about all of this and just tell her I have been sick and Gray did not tell me about the appointment, but it really was embarassing. And it really emphasized how far I am psychologically from the rest of the human race, sitting there trying to look alert and act like I care about market analyses and house values and such. It was almost amusing, but not quite. Well, off to the shower, unless some crisis occurs before I get there, which unfortunately is quite possible these days. MichelleThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Ginger
Michelle, When it rains it pours, hang in there Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to take a shower and brush my teeth and generally try to appear human, maybe even straighten up the house that has turned into a hovel, but wouldn't you know that before I could there is a knock on the door. Apparently Gray made an appointment with the realtor and did not tell me, and then left for the day. So I had to invite her in wearing a sweatshirt with A/D all over it from syringe feeding, uncombed hair that is greasy from not showering, and a house such a mess that there was really nowhere to sit down where we were not staring at a pile of papers of something. I tried to act nonchalant about all of this and just tell her I have been sick and Gray did not tell me about the appointment, but it really was embarassing. And it really emphasized how far I am psychologically from the rest of the human race, sitting there trying to look alert and act like I care about market analyses and house values and such. It was almost amusing, but not quite. Well, off to the shower, unless some crisis occurs before I get there, which unfortunately is quite possible these days. MichelleHave a purrfect day Cherie
RE: Ginger
Michelle, chin up – if you had seen Leo’s condition – you would have felt a bit better- All he did was just laying on the floor, he would not have moved at all for two weeks – Ginger will get better ! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger Oh Michelle, I wouldn't have believed a post from you right now would get me laughing, but I'm holding my side. I find myself going outside, (just briefly, mind you), to get the paper, feed the ferals, or whatever. I'll smile brightly to my neighbors as they walk by and be surprised by their less than enthusiastic response. Surprised, that is, until I go inside and take a look in my much neglected mirror! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to take a shower and brush my teeth and generally try to appear human, maybe even straighten up the house that has turned into a hovel, but wouldn't you know that before I could there is a knock on the door. Apparently Gray made an appointment with the realtor and did not tell me, and then left for the day. So I had to invite her in wearing a sweatshirt with A/D all over it from syringe feeding, uncombed hair that is greasy from not showering, and a house such a mess that there was really nowhere to sit down where we were not staring at a pile of papers of something. I tried to act nonchalant about all of this and just tell her I have been sick and Gray did not tell me about the appointment, but it really was embarassing. And it really emphasized how far I am psychologically from the rest of the human race, sitting there trying to look alert and act like I care about market analyses and house values and such. It was almost amusing, but not quite. Well, off to the shower, unless some crisis occurs before I get there, which unfortunately is quite possible these days. Michelle
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Oh Michelle, I wouldn't have believed a post from you right now would get me laughing, but I'm holding my side. I find myself going outside, (just briefly, mind you), to get the paper, feed the ferals, or whatever. I'll smile brightly to my neighbors as they walk by and be surprised by their less than enthusiastic response. Surprised, that is, until I go inside and take a look in my much neglected mirror! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to take a shower and brush my teeth and generally try to appear human, maybe even straighten up the house that has turned into a hovel, but wouldn't you know that before I could there is a knock on the door. Apparently Gray made an appointment with the realtor and did not tell me, and then left for the day. So I had to invite her in wearing a sweatshirt with A/D all over it from syringe feeding, uncombed hair that is greasy from not showering, and a house such a mess that there was really nowhere to sit down where we were not staring at a pile of papers of something. I tried to act nonchalant about all of this and just tell her I have been sick and Gray did not tell me about the appointment, but it really was embarassing. And it really emphasized how far I am psychologically from the rest of the human race, sitting there trying to look alert and act like I care about market analyses and house values and such. It was almost amusing, but not quite. Well, off to the shower, unless some crisis occurs before I get there, which unfortunately is quite possible these days. Michelle
Re: Ginger
Someone said erithromycin is given for bartonella, unlike hemobartonella which gets dox. Michelle P.S. Yes, I still am planning to go take a shower, just catching up on emails! In a message dated 5/13/05 2:35:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since you're already giving Ginger Dox, you're probably ahead of the game if she is positive for bartonella. I know that's what my vet prescribed for Hemobart, so maybe it works with all forms of blood parasites.Nina
Re: Ginger--pain killers?
Thanks, Jen. She was given Metacam, which she can get only every 48 hours. She was due for a second dose this morning but I did not want to give it to her, and the dentist agreed. The dentist things her URI is probably bothering her more at this point, and that the Metacam is not good to take with a URI for some reason having to do with the mechanism by which it reduced inflammation. I could not really understand what she was saying, except that she agreed not to give it to her. I know she could still be in pain, so I went back and forth about it. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 2:29:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, I'm so behind on posts...so this topic may have already beendiscussed...but what kind of pain killers is Ginger on? My Pips had asimilar tooth extraction and the vet gave me an injectable pain killer(I think that I only gave it to him once a day, right between theshoulder blades) that went to work immediately (and very effectively bythe look on his face!)...and it did wonders for his appetite...I imagineGinger's mouth is extremely sore and probably now associates a plate offood with a large amount of pain...I know you want to limit the numberof drugs Ginger is receiving, but a stronger pain killer may dull thepain enough to encourage eating! Just a thought...you guys arecertainly in my thoughts!Jen
Re: Ginger
I decided to take a shower and brush my teeth and generally try to appear human, maybe even straighten up the house that has turned into a hovel, but wouldn't you know that before I could there is a knock on the door. Apparently Gray made an appointment with the realtor and did not tell me, and then left for the day. So I had to invite her in wearing a sweatshirt with A/D all over it from syringe feeding, uncombed hair that is greasy from not showering, and a house such a mess that there was really nowhere to sit down where we were not staring at a pile of papers of something. I tried to act nonchalant about all of this and just tell her I have been sick and Gray did not tell me about the appointment, but it really was embarassing. And it really emphasized how far I am psychologically from the rest of the human race, sitting there trying to look alert and act like I care about market analyses and house values and such. It was almost amusing, but not quite. Well, off to the shower, unless some crisis occurs before I get there, which unfortunately is quite possible these days. Michelle
Re: Ginger
Hemobartenella and bartonella are two different things. bartenella is associated with stomastisis, hemobartenella is associated with anemia. Bailey was (and probably still is) positive for bartonella associated with stomastisis, he was on three different antibiotics (for over 5 months) and we tried accupunture and other chinese herbs but nothing completely cleared it up, that is why we pulled his teeth. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Ginger-- Fern
Yes, it's Fern. She is the only dog left in the house, the other two died this November and the last October. She is on flax oil with every meal. It is not normal swelling. It is something called polyarthritis which comes from an auto-immune disorder she got as a secondary reaction to her cancer. Basically any time her cancer grows uncontrollably her immune system freaks out and starts fighting with the rest of her body, and as a result she gets uveitis in her eyes and her joints swell up and get painful. So she was on a heavy dose of immune suppressant (imagine having cancer and having to suppress your immune system! we also give her lots of immune support herbs, which apparently do not counteract the immune suppressant stuff because they act on different parts of the immune system-- we tried stopping all the herbs and she got worse rather than better) and also a heavy dose of prednisone, then tapered to low doses of both. But then her uveitis came back so we upped the pred, per the oncologist, and then she started getting cushings disease from the high pred dose, so we lowered it again and now the polyarthritis is back. All while her lung cancer is now filling more than 70% of her lungs and her breathing is now audible and she coughs every few hours. She still eats a lot, goes for short walks twice a day, and seems generally in good spirits, but it is getting clearer and clearer that she does not have long. I doubt she will make it to our move in July. Of course, she was given 2-6 months to live over 17 months ago, so you never know, but it does seem like her symptoms are accelerating. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 2:24:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is this Fern with the swollen joints? Have you tried giving her flax seed oil for inflammation? Did you talk to your vet about the Peroxicam?
RE: Ginger
I have never used Immuno-Reg on my Ginger because my holistic vet (and regular vet) mentioned about the side effects (and my regular vet) – the reason why I am thinking of maybe avoiding the drugs is because I feel that Ginger is not doing well not to primarily due to FeLV, but due to the stress (physical and mental) she went through from the surgery. For example, when Leo went through the dental surgery, he was already diabetic and I did not know about it – he had started eating less and drooling and assumed that he needed a dental work, which was a poor and detrimental assumption on my part (in reality, that was due to diabetes – but as soon as he was done with surgery, his condition went down the hill – and actually it got even worse after giving dox –because of the stress (physical and mental) he had to go through (surgery and anesthesia), and since his body was already compromised due to FIV and diabetic conditions – I needed to give him something he could recover from the surgery before he could deal with his pre-existing condition which was diabetic condition (in Ginger’s case FeLV) – If she did not go through the dental work, and her condition got worse, I would think that her FeLV virus was causing the symptoms – but I really felt that the surgery (anesthesia) caused it - If it were my kitty, I would try Phosphorus first and see what happens – I will ask my holistic vet also to see if he suggest anything else – I am very conservation when coming to drugs I just had too much bad experience with drugs – From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger I did give her the sulphur, which I have in the house, in the manner that you suggested. I do agree on some level about not giving many drugs, which is why I did not give her the pain killer this morning. The reason I am thinking about the I-R is that the article on the felineleukemia.org website actually says that it gets positve cats who have stopped eating to eat again in 50% of the cases at the author vet's clinic. I don't know if he is telling the truth or not, but if it could get her to eat that would be wonderful. It is not supposed to have side effects. Well, actually I think I read somewhere that it could, but the vet who wrote the article said he has treated 700 cats with it and has never seen any side effects, and people on this list have used it and have never seen any side effects. So I thought maybe this one thing is worth trying. Do you think that is a bad idea? I am still open to not doing it. I am hoping the dox will make her URI better in a day or two and then I will stop the antibiotics. The only other med she is on besides the dox is pepcid to try to counteract any nausea the dox might cause. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 1:48:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with Nina - any additional drugs you may give her right now might be a burden and too much to handle for her right now - I feel that she needs a break from all that - at least until she starts eating again. Michelle, please don't give up, Ginger is going to get better, you have to believe that, and she needs you to believe in her. I was so scared of losing Leo, and the only people who did not give up a hope is my and my holistic vet. My holistic vets told me to avoid supplements and drugs in a situation like this - that's why I suggested homeopathic remedy - it makes their body to heal and deal with whatever they are dealing with no side effect - you just have to find the right one that works for the specific problem you are dealing with. Michelle, I lost my Henry boy after giving baytrill antibiotics - which almost never happens to anyone - but Henry's body was compromised already and couldn't deal with drugs and it ended up killing him.
Re: Ginger
> I forgot to have her tested for bartonella. I will ask the internist to do that on Monday. Maybe that is what it is... > Since you're already giving Ginger Dox, you're probably ahead of the game if she is positive for bartonella. I know that's what my vet prescribed for Hemobart, so maybe it works with all forms of blood parasites. Nina
Re: Ginger--pain killers?
Sorry, I'm so behind on posts...so this topic may have already been discussed...but what kind of pain killers is Ginger on? My Pips had a similar tooth extraction and the vet gave me an injectable pain killer (I think that I only gave it to him once a day, right between the shoulder blades) that went to work immediately (and very effectively by the look on his face!)...and it did wonders for his appetite...I imagine Ginger's mouth is extremely sore and probably now associates a plate of food with a large amount of pain...I know you want to limit the number of drugs Ginger is receiving, but a stronger pain killer may dull the pain enough to encourage eating! Just a thought...you guys are certainly in my thoughts! Jen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:20 pm Subject: Re: Ginger > > I did give her the sulphur, which I have in the house, in the > manner that > you suggested. I do agree on some level about not giving many > drugs, which is > why I did not give her the pain killer this morning. The reason I > am > thinking about the I-R is that the article on the > felineleukemia.org website > actually says that it gets positve cats who have stopped eating to > eat again in 50% > of the cases at the author vet's clinic. I don't know if he is > telling the > truth or not, but if it could get her to eat that would be > wonderful. It is > not supposed to have side effects. Well, actually I think I read > somewhere > that it could, but the vet who wrote the article said he has > treated 700 cats > with it and has never seen any side effects, and people on this > list have used > it and have never seen any side effects. So I thought maybe this > one thing > is worth trying. Do you think that is a bad idea? I am still open > to not > doing it. I am hoping the dox will make her URI better in a day > or two and then > I will stop the antibiotics. The only other med she is on besides > the dox > is pepcid to try to counteract any nausea the dox might cause. > Michelle > > In a message dated 5/13/05 1:48:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I agree with Nina - any additional drugs you may give her right now > might be a burden and too much to handle for her right now - I > feel that > she needs a break from all that - at least until she starts eating > again. Michelle, please don't give up, Ginger is going to get > better,you have to believe that, and she needs you to believe in > her. I was so > scared of losing Leo, and the only people who did not give up a > hope is > my and my holistic vet. > My holistic vets told me to avoid supplements and drugs in a > situationlike this - that's why I suggested homeopathic remedy - it > makes their > body to heal and deal with whatever they are dealing with no side > effect- you just have to find the right one that works for the > specificproblem you are dealing with. > > Michelle, I lost my Henry boy after giving baytrill antibiotics - > whichalmost never happens to anyone - but Henry's body was > compromisedalready and couldn't deal with drugs and it ended up > killing him. > > > > >
Re: Ginger
Oh Michelle, you're life is such a nightmare right now. That's actually great news about the normal bm and Ginger being more active outside, that was a great idea. I stand by my feelings about Ginger, it sounds like she's doing pretty darn good, all things considered. She probably doesn't want affection right now, because, a) she feels so crummy, and b) she doesn't have the faith in modern medicine that you do and wants to try and heal on her on. Next time tell her to indulge you because it makes you feel better to be doing something that might help, (better throw in an apology or two!). Here are my thoughts on Lucy... I think it's quite possible that she's upset about your being so upset. She's picking on Ginger because she's one of the ones stressing you out. Poor Patches just got caught in the crossfire. My cat Instigator is the self-appointed enforcer of my bunch. If I'm upset with anyone, or if anyone is fighting, (or even playing too rough), Instigator comes out of nowhere and whomever is closer gets it, but good. Besides, you know how cats can be, they don't like to be reminded that they are vulnerable in any way. She's probably upset that Ginger's not doing a better job of hiding her maladies. Keep them separated and let Lucy know you can handle the situation without her help, if she wants to make you feel better, be nicer to Ginger, or ignore her all together. Is this Fern with the swollen joints? Have you tried giving her flax seed oil for inflammation? Did you talk to your vet about the Peroxicam? You really have your hands full girl, there's no denying that. Pardon my French, but get your ass in the shower, make your self a cup of tea, (or whatever herb might sooth you, I still think the Valium is a good idea), and stop looking, and TRY to stop worrying, about your animals for at least an hour. Get yourself away from the computer, let the answer machine get the phone, fix a hot water bag for yourself, gather your animals around you and put a distracting movie in the DVD player. If I were there, I'd wrap you up in a towel, force a sedative down you and make you hold still. Since I'm not, you'll have to take care of yourself. Honestly Michelle, you're stressing the whole house out, do your animals a favor as well as yourself and take a couple of deep breaths. Blessing and love to you Michelle, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do try to pet her a lot, but for the past two days she does not want me to. The first few days, even though she would growl and fight while I syringed her, she would roll over for me to rub her belly right afterwards and forgive everything. Now she hides from me unless I offer her a string, which she absolutely can not resist, so I do it a lot even though the dentist said not to (she can bite and pull stitches in her mouth), because it seems such a stress relief for her. She had a normal bowel movement, so the diarrhea seems to have stopped which is a bit of a relief. I brought her out into the yard and left her out there, and she seems to be enjoying the sun, walking around a little and sitting up and looking out the fence. Inside my bedroom she was just laying around. Lucy freaked out again when she saw Ginger though, and started screaming, so I locked her inside. Patches ran in as I closed the door and Lucy attacked her and ripped a thin slice of skin off the outside of her ear, which is now hanging there. I stopped the bleeding, put antibiotic ointment on it, and called the vet, who said I can just monitor it for now, and then locked Patches outside with Ginger and Lucy by herself inside. I do not know what has gotten into her. Meanwhile, my dog seems to be getting her auto-immune disorder back, and her joints are swelling up. She had this before and was put on an immune-suppressant and a lot of pred. We recently lowered the pred because the disorder was under control and she was starting to get signs of Cushings disease from the pred, and now the auto-immune disease has flared back up. I have not showered in three days or brushed my teeth in two, and have only left the house once to go take care of Lamby, the sheep I take care of, and walk Fern. I have cancelled work commitments. (Granted, part of that was because I myself was sick the last 2 days and on a lot of meds). Gray is at work for the day. I am so overwhelmed and tired and depressed.
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Thanks, Kerry. I am already on anti-depressants. I take a subtherapeutic dose because I am very sensitive to the drug, Lexapro, but I upped the dosage last night. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 2:15:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: be---antidepressants, which I'd always shunned, gave me much-needed energy and kick-started me into action again. Don't rule it out. You have a lot on your plate, particularly with your upcoming move.
Re: Ginger
I did give her the sulphur, which I have in the house, in the manner that you suggested. I do agree on some level about not giving many drugs, which is why I did not give her the pain killer this morning. The reason I am thinking about the I-R is that the article on the felineleukemia.org website actually says that it gets positve cats who have stopped eating to eat again in 50% of the cases at the author vet's clinic. I don't know if he is telling the truth or not, but if it could get her to eat that would be wonderful. It is not supposed to have side effects. Well, actually I think I read somewhere that it could, but the vet who wrote the article said he has treated 700 cats with it and has never seen any side effects, and people on this list have used it and have never seen any side effects. So I thought maybe this one thing is worth trying. Do you think that is a bad idea? I am still open to not doing it. I am hoping the dox will make her URI better in a day or two and then I will stop the antibiotics. The only other med she is on besides the dox is pepcid to try to counteract any nausea the dox might cause. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 1:48:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with Nina - any additional drugs you may give her right nowmight be a burden and too much to handle for her right now - I feel thatshe needs a break from all that - at least until she starts eatingagain. Michelle, please don't give up, Ginger is going to get better,you have to believe that, and she needs you to believe in her. I was soscared of losing Leo, and the only people who did not give up a hope ismy and my holistic vet.My holistic vets told me to avoid supplements and drugs in a situationlike this - that's why I suggested homeopathic remedy - it makes theirbody to heal and deal with whatever they are dealing with no side effect- you just have to find the right one that works for the specificproblem you are dealing with.Michelle, I lost my Henry boy after giving baytrill antibiotics - whichalmost never happens to anyone - but Henry's body was compromisedalready and couldn't deal with drugs and it ended up killing him.
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Thank you, Belinda. Ginger was eating a little like that until 2 days ago and now will not even look at food-- she runs to the other end of the room when I put it in front of her. That is actually why I am feeling hopeless. But maybe it is just the combination of her mouth hurting, the trauma of surgery, and the URI. I hope that is all it is, and that she recovers from it. I am worried that she has something like leukemia or diffuse lymphoma or something like that. I forgot to have her tested for bartonella. I will ask the internist to do that on Monday. Maybe that is what it is... Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 1:46:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: wanted to put him to sleep when he tested positive, she said he wouldn't recover. In my mind he had a cold and that wasn't a reason to euthanize not to mention he was my baby, a big momma's boy. So I told her to give me antibiotics and took him home. He didn't eat very good but I kept bugging him and I didn't have a computer or know about syringe feeding so I would just put food in front of him constantly and he would eat a little but he didn't eat much and he was very sick. His poor little nose was all snotty and I know he couldn't smell anything. Thankfully he ate enough to not get HL, but he had this URI for over 5 weeks before it cleared up, he was on antiobiotics for over 3 weeks. He looked awful BUT he did recover and lived 3 more years before anemia took him.
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Title: Message Oh Michelle, you MUST do something for YOU now. Honestly---have a soak in the bath with some nice-smelling bubble bath (if that's what it's called here--you know what I mean). Wash your hair, put on your favorite clothes. Put on some nice music -- the kitties will enjoy it too. And, make yourself something good to eat. Wish I was near to make something tasty for you. You need to do all these things, even tho you don't feel a bit like it--it will raise your spirits, and that will be passed on to Ginger and Lucy. (Could Lucy be reacting through jealousy by the way (my Tiger attacks Trixie when he reckons she's getting too much attention from me---she then runs off, poor thing, and he then prepares to take up her place). And Gray will be glad to see you've done this too. He sounds a good man, and I'm sure he's pretty worried about you. I know what it's like to feel overwhelmed and depressed with zippo energy, and it's not a nice place to be---antidepressants, which I'd always shunned, gave me much-needed energy and kick-started me into action again. Don't rule it out. You have a lot on your plate, particularly with your upcoming move. You need to take care of yourself first, so you can take care of them. You need to be strong for them. And remember, we're all here for you--we're rooting for you, and for Ginger. love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:22 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Ginger I do try to pet her a lot, but for the past two days she does not want me to. The first few days, even though she would growl and fight while I syringed her, she would roll over for me to rub her belly right afterwards and forgive everything. Now she hides from me unless I offer her a string, which she absolutely can not resist, so I do it a lot even though the dentist said not to (she can bite and pull stitches in her mouth), because it seems such a stress relief for her. She had a normal bowel movement, so the diarrhea seems to have stopped which is a bit of a relief. I brought her out into the yard and left her out there, and she seems to be enjoying the sun, walking around a little and sitting up and looking out the fence. Inside my bedroom she was just laying around. Lucy freaked out again when she saw Ginger though, and started screaming, so I locked her inside. Patches ran in as I closed the door and Lucy attacked her and ripped a thin slice of skin off the outside of her ear, which is now hanging there. I stopped the bleeding, put antibiotic ointment on it, and called the vet, who said I can just monitor it for now, and then locked Patches outside with Ginger and Lucy by herself inside. I do not know what has gotten into her. Meanwhile, my dog seems to be getting her auto-immune disorder back, and her joints are swelling up. She had this before and was put on an immune-suppressant and a lot of pred. We recently lowered the pred because the disorder was under control and she was starting to get signs of Cushings disease from the pred, and now the auto-immune disease has flared back up. I have not showered in three days or brushed my teeth in two, and have only left the house once to go take care of Lamby, the sheep I take care of, and walk Fern. I have cancelled work commitments. (Granted, part of that was because I myself was sick the last 2 days and on a lot of meds). Gray is at work for the day. I am so overwhelmed and tired and depressed. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 1:13:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle,If it were me, I would only syringe feed her the things you know she likes. The two of you are very stressed out right now. Please TRY to approach her recovery in a more relaxed state. You are doing everything in your power to help her heal. Don't fall victim to the negative thoughts that I know can plague us. I'm afraid you're playing the "what if" game that usually comes after everything is said and done. You know alot, you care even more, but you can't possibly know enough to cover every contingency. Please try and have faith that she'll be okay. No matter what happens you are doing your best, you can't do more than that. Take a Valium and reach for her occasionally with nothing more in in mind then a scratch on the back of her head. JMO. You're in my thoughts,Nina This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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I'm not giving her appetite stimulants. I am also on the fence about the I-R. At first I thought not to try it because of exactly what you said re: her being on meds already. But then I read the article about it again, and the vet saying that it often solves mysterious problems positives have with not eating and being depressed and not feeling well, and I also remembered how it seemed to help Patches get over pneumonia quickly, and no one has ever seen any side effects from it, so I decided maybe I should try it. If it jump starts her to eat, then maybe she won't need the ultrasound, which I am sure will stress her more. I don't know. Ginger is about 6, we think, which makes me anxious that she is nearing her limits as a positive. I heard about list members with cats living to 10 and beyond and just hoped she will too, since she has always been so healthy, but all of this is so inexplicable. Everyone thought it was her teeth, except the dentist who thought it is likely something else too, but everyone who thought it was her teeth said that she should be eating by now because her mouth should feel better than it did. Maybe it is just the URI keeping her from eating now. I am also thinking she looks paler. She had a HCT of 53 last Friday, which was high normal, so I did not worry about that, but now she is looking paler. I don't know. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 1:35:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know Michelle, Hideyo is right about abx making you feel like crap, not to mention major surgery. I'm not so sure I'd be thinking about Immuno-Regulin right now. From what I understand, it's a bacteria (?) that is introduced to trigger immune responses. I don't know, it just sounds like Ginger is overwhelmed enough as it is. I have nothing to base this on but intuition, and a general dislike for medication in the first place. I'd go with making sure she eats, sq fluids if she's dehydrated and Dox. Since it's not working anyway, I wouldn't even give her the appetite stimulant at this point, what's the use, you're force feeding her anyway.Nina
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That's a great story about Frankie, Belinda. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger Don't lose hope, I'll tell you a story about Frankie, he was positive and had such a bad URI he was sick for over a week before I took him in for antibiotics. This was many years ago before I knew nearly as much as I do now, and in fact we didn't find out he was positive until this episode, he got sick every year and I finally let my vet test him, fully believing he would be negative since all of my guys were indoor only. He tested positive, and this is where my saga with FeLV began. He was so sick my vet wanted to put him to sleep when he tested positive, she said he wouldn't recover. In my mind he had a cold and that wasn't a reason to euthanize not to mention he was my baby, a big momma's boy. So I told her to give me antibiotics and took him home. He didn't eat very good but I kept bugging him and I didn't have a computer or know about syringe feeding so I would just put food in front of him constantly and he would eat a little but he didn't eat much and he was very sick. His poor little nose was all snotty and I know he couldn't smell anything. Thankfully he ate enough to not get HL, but he had this URI for over 5 weeks before it cleared up, he was on antiobiotics for over 3 weeks. He looked awful BUT he did recover and lived 3 more years before anemia took him. I will tell you I spoiled him so rotten and I know that had a lot to do with his recovery, he was the biggest baby (until my Joey, also a siamese mix), and from that experience alone, I know love and psoitive thinking can work miracles, I was too niave and uneducated about FeLV to believe my vet thank God!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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I agree with Nina - any additional drugs you may give her right now might be a burden and too much to handle for her right now - I feel that she needs a break from all that - at least until she starts eating again. Michelle, please don't give up, Ginger is going to get better, you have to believe that, and she needs you to believe in her. I was so scared of losing Leo, and the only people who did not give up a hope is my and my holistic vet. My holistic vets told me to avoid supplements and drugs in a situation like this - that's why I suggested homeopathic remedy - it makes their body to heal and deal with whatever they are dealing with no side effect - you just have to find the right one that works for the specific problem you are dealing with. Michelle, I lost my Henry boy after giving baytrill antibiotics - which almost never happens to anyone - but Henry's body was compromised already and couldn't deal with drugs and it ended up killing him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger You know Michelle, Hideyo is right about abx making you feel like crap, not to mention major surgery. I'm not so sure I'd be thinking about Immuno-Regulin right now. From what I understand, it's a bacteria (?) that is introduced to trigger immune responses. I don't know, it just sounds like Ginger is overwhelmed enough as it is. I have nothing to base this on but intuition, and a general dislike for medication in the first place. I'd go with making sure she eats, sq fluids if she's dehydrated and Dox. Since it's not working anyway, I wouldn't even give her the appetite stimulant at this point, what's the use, you're force feeding her anyway. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: > Hi, Michelle, I am wondering she is having a difficult time to recover > from the surgery itself - it's a major surgery - something similar > happened to my FIV positive cat, Leo - I almost lost him after the > dental surgery and after giving him dox - he completely stopped eating > for two weeks, my regular vet thought he would not recover and I knew > she was thinking that I should euthanize him - I was devastated > because I was not expecting it at all - but sometimes with cats with > immune system already compromised will have a very difficult time to > recover after the surgery - > > Anyway, my holistic vet suggested that I stopped antibiotics right > way, and give a remedy called phosphorus (sorry I am not sure if it's > the right spell) - it caused him a miracle, I think - after two weeks, > he stood up all of sudden and started eating again! I cried so hard, > and my regular vet was amazed about his recovery - > > But it's important that you give fluid every single day as hydration > become critical to survival - which I did with Leo - he did not eat > any food since I could barely force feed him, but I gave 100 ml of > fluid twice a day - that's what kept him alive until the miracle > happened - > > I will be praying that Ginger will soon feel better. > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2005 8:13 AM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: Ginger > > She will not touch liver shake. She would not touch it several days > ago either, though, when she was still trying to eat other things, so > I think she does not like it. I am syringing it to her mixed with A/D. > She does not want me to touch her now, I think because I have been > syringing her so much and she hates it. She will play with a string, > but otherwise hides from me. > > Michelle > > In a message dated 5/12/05 11:57:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Hang on in there, Michelle--I can see why you're so down about > Ginger, but I would think it is a big shock to have 10 extractions > and her poor little mouth must feel terribly tender, if not > downright painful. (Could she take something liquid like liver > shake?) I would also think it's exhausted her. It's early days and > so soon after the mouth surgery--she needs to recuperate. The fact > she wants to play is surely a good sign (Levi and Caramel had NO > interest in playing after they got really sick). > > I think you're right to give her antibiotics--mine >
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Great news!"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just heard that the jerk who owns the vet clinic I go to--the guy who sent me a f*** off letter in response to my letter about his head technician--has just lost ALL of his vets. (He cut all their salaries to fund another clinic so they've all walked!) The (other bit of) good news is that my long-standing vet is starting his own clinic (it's already underway) and is doing housecalls until he opens it! The bad news is that the other vet I use there, who has a wonderful way with the ferals, will not be accessible--the clinic she's moving to is too far away :>( They do say what goes around comes around---I don't usually believe it, but it happened in small measure with this guy (doubtless he will regroup soon) Just had to shareKerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Don't lose hope, I'll tell you a story about Frankie, he was positive and had such a bad URI he was sick for over a week before I took him in for antibiotics. This was many years ago before I knew nearly as much as I do now, and in fact we didn't find out he was positive until this episode, he got sick every year and I finally let my vet test him, fully believing he would be negative since all of my guys were indoor only. He tested positive, and this is where my saga with FeLV began. He was so sick my vet wanted to put him to sleep when he tested positive, she said he wouldn't recover. In my mind he had a cold and that wasn't a reason to euthanize not to mention he was my baby, a big momma's boy. So I told her to give me antibiotics and took him home. He didn't eat very good but I kept bugging him and I didn't have a computer or know about syringe feeding so I would just put food in front of him constantly and he would eat a little but he didn't eat much and he was very sick. His poor little nose was all snotty and I know he couldn't smell anything. Thankfully he ate enough to not get HL, but he had this URI for over 5 weeks before it cleared up, he was on antiobiotics for over 3 weeks. He looked awful BUT he did recover and lived 3 more years before anemia took him. I will tell you I spoiled him so rotten and I know that had a lot to do with his recovery, he was the biggest baby (until my Joey, also a siamese mix), and from that experience alone, I know love and psoitive thinking can work miracles, I was too niave and uneducated about FeLV to believe my vet thank God!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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You know Michelle, Hideyo is right about abx making you feel like crap, not to mention major surgery. I'm not so sure I'd be thinking about Immuno-Regulin right now. From what I understand, it's a bacteria (?) that is introduced to trigger immune responses. I don't know, it just sounds like Ginger is overwhelmed enough as it is. I have nothing to base this on but intuition, and a general dislike for medication in the first place. I'd go with making sure she eats, sq fluids if she's dehydrated and Dox. Since it's not working anyway, I wouldn't even give her the appetite stimulant at this point, what's the use, you're force feeding her anyway. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, Michelle, I am wondering she is having a difficult time to recover from the surgery itself – it’s a major surgery - something similar happened to my FIV positive cat, Leo – I almost lost him after the dental surgery and after giving him dox – he completely stopped eating for two weeks, my regular vet thought he would not recover and I knew she was thinking that I should euthanize him – I was devastated because I was not expecting it at all – but sometimes with cats with immune system already compromised will have a very difficult time to recover after the surgery – Anyway, my holistic vet suggested that I stopped antibiotics right way, and give a remedy called phosphorus (sorry I am not sure if it’s the right spell) – it caused him a miracle, I think – after two weeks, he stood up all of sudden and started eating again! I cried so hard, and my regular vet was amazed about his recovery – But it’s important that you give fluid every single day as hydration become critical to survival – which I did with Leo – he did not eat any food since I could barely force feed him, but I gave 100 ml of fluid twice a day – that’s what kept him alive until the miracle happened – I will be praying that Ginger will soon feel better. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2005 8:13 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Ginger She will not touch liver shake. She would not touch it several days ago either, though, when she was still trying to eat other things, so I think she does not like it. I am syringing it to her mixed with A/D. She does not want me to touch her now, I think because I have been syringing her so much and she hates it. She will play with a string, but otherwise hides from me. Michelle In a message dated 5/12/05 11:57:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hang on in there, Michelle--I can see why you're so down about Ginger, but I would think it is a big shock to have 10 extractions and her poor little mouth must feel terribly tender, if not downright painful. (Could she take something liquid like liver shake?) I would also think it's exhausted her. It's early days and so soon after the mouth surgery--she needs to recuperate. The fact she wants to play is surely a good sign (Levi and Caramel had NO interest in playing after they got really sick). I think you're right to give her antibiotics--mine
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I do try to pet her a lot, but for the past two days she does not want me to. The first few days, even though she would growl and fight while I syringed her, she would roll over for me to rub her belly right afterwards and forgive everything. Now she hides from me unless I offer her a string, which she absolutely can not resist, so I do it a lot even though the dentist said not to (she can bite and pull stitches in her mouth), because it seems such a stress relief for her. She had a normal bowel movement, so the diarrhea seems to have stopped which is a bit of a relief. I brought her out into the yard and left her out there, and she seems to be enjoying the sun, walking around a little and sitting up and looking out the fence. Inside my bedroom she was just laying around. Lucy freaked out again when she saw Ginger though, and started screaming, so I locked her inside. Patches ran in as I closed the door and Lucy attacked her and ripped a thin slice of skin off the outside of her ear, which is now hanging there. I stopped the bleeding, put antibiotic ointment on it, and called the vet, who said I can just monitor it for now, and then locked Patches outside with Ginger and Lucy by herself inside. I do not know what has gotten into her. Meanwhile, my dog seems to be getting her auto-immune disorder back, and her joints are swelling up. She had this before and was put on an immune-suppressant and a lot of pred. We recently lowered the pred because the disorder was under control and she was starting to get signs of Cushings disease from the pred, and now the auto-immune disease has flared back up. I have not showered in three days or brushed my teeth in two, and have only left the house once to go take care of Lamby, the sheep I take care of, and walk Fern. I have cancelled work commitments. (Granted, part of that was because I myself was sick the last 2 days and on a lot of meds). Gray is at work for the day. I am so overwhelmed and tired and depressed. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 1:13:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle,If it were me, I would only syringe feed her the things you know she likes. The two of you are very stressed out right now. Please TRY to approach her recovery in a more relaxed state. You are doing everything in your power to help her heal. Don't fall victim to the negative thoughts that I know can plague us. I'm afraid you're playing the "what if" game that usually comes after everything is said and done. You know alot, you care even more, but you can't possibly know enough to cover every contingency. Please try and have faith that she'll be okay. No matter what happens you are doing your best, you can't do more than that. Take a Valium and reach for her occasionally with nothing more in in mind then a scratch on the back of her head. JMO. You're in my thoughts,Nina
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Michelle, If it were me, I would only syringe feed her the things you know she likes. The two of you are very stressed out right now. Please TRY to approach her recovery in a more relaxed state. You are doing everything in your power to help her heal. Don't fall victim to the negative thoughts that I know can plague us. I'm afraid you're playing the "what if" game that usually comes after everything is said and done. You know alot, you care even more, but you can't possibly know enough to cover every contingency. Please try and have faith that she'll be okay. No matter what happens you are doing your best, you can't do more than that. Take a Valium and reach for her occasionally with nothing more in in mind then a scratch on the back of her head. JMO. You're in my thoughts, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She will not touch liver shake. She would not touch it several days ago either, though, when she was still trying to eat other things, so I think she does not like it. I am syringing it to her mixed with A/D. She does not want me to touch her now, I think because I have been syringing her so much and she hates it. She will play with a string, but otherwise hides from me. Michelle
RE: OT--have to share my vet clinic news
Title: Message Thanks--I'm just glad he won't be getting my $$$ any more. That really jarred. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT--have to share my vet clinic newsKerry! That's wonderful news. I'm so pleased to hear you won't be having to visit that clinic anymore, and one of your favorite vets will be making house calls for a while! You can bet you won't be the only client that creep is losing. Thanks for sharing.NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I just heard that the jerk who owns the vet clinic I go to--the guy who sent me a f*** off letter in response to my letter about his head technician--has just lost ALL of his vets. (He cut all their salaries to fund another clinic so they've all walked!) The (other bit of) good news is that my long-standing vet is starting his own clinic (it's already underway) and is doing housecalls until he opens it! The bad news is that the other vet I use there, who has a wonderful way with the ferals, will not be accessible--the clinic she's moving to is too far away :>( They do say what goes around comes around---I don't usually believe it, but it happened in small measure with this guy (doubtless he will regroup soon) Just had to shareKerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Kerry! That's wonderful news. I'm so pleased to hear you won't be having to visit that clinic anymore, and one of your favorite vets will be making house calls for a while! You can bet you won't be the only client that creep is losing. Thanks for sharing. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Message I just heard that the jerk who owns the vet clinic I go to--the guy who sent me a f*** off letter in response to my letter about his head technician--has just lost ALL of his vets. (He cut all their salaries to fund another clinic so they've all walked!) The (other bit of) good news is that my long-standing vet is starting his own clinic (it's already underway) and is doing housecalls until he opens it! The bad news is that the other vet I use there, who has a wonderful way with the ferals, will not be accessible--the clinic she's moving to is too far away :>( They do say what goes around comes around---I don't usually believe it, but it happened in small measure with this guy (doubtless he will regroup soon) Just had to shareKerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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That is wonderful Kerry ;-))"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just heard that the jerk who owns the vet clinic I go to--the guy who sent me a f*** off letter in response to my letter about his head technician--has just lost ALL of his vets. (He cut all their salaries to fund another clinic so they've all walked!) The (other bit of) good news is that my long-standing vet is starting his own clinic (it's already underway) and is doing housecalls until he opens it! The bad news is that the other vet I use there, who has a wonderful way with the ferals, will not be accessible--the clinic she's moving to is too far away :>( They do say what goes around comes around---I don't usually believe it, but it happened in small measure with this guy (doubtless he will regroup soon) Just had to shareKerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Have a purrfect day Cherie
OT--have to share my vet clinic news
Title: Message I just heard that the jerk who owns the vet clinic I go to--the guy who sent me a f*** off letter in response to my letter about his head technician--has just lost ALL of his vets. (He cut all their salaries to fund another clinic so they've all walked!) The (other bit of) good news is that my long-standing vet is starting his own clinic (it's already underway) and is doing housecalls until he opens it! The bad news is that the other vet I use there, who has a wonderful way with the ferals, will not be accessible--the clinic she's moving to is too far away :>( They do say what goes around comes around---I don't usually believe it, but it happened in small measure with this guy (doubtless he will regroup soon) Just had to shareKerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: I NEED HELP
That is not such a bad drive, really. All you need to do is get larger carriers, such as the intermediate size, and then get the small van ness cat litter pans, and you can have the pans IN the carriers with them. I detail the set up on my Products page at http://ucat.us/products.html Scroll down to items #5 and #6 for details. If you get them used to drinking from a water bottle before the trip, and you can hang one in the carrier with them, so they have water the entire trip (see item #11 on the same page above for details on that) Email me privately if you need more details on how to set it up or where to get the products. Jenn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005
Re: Ginger-- Hideyo
Yes, thanks. In a message dated 5/13/05 12:14:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep. I just sent another email with how I pill them to my cats â let me know if it makes sense.
RE: Ginger-- Hideyo
Yep. I just sent another email with how I pill them to my cats – let me know if it makes sense. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger-- Hideyo The little homeopathic pellets of phosphorous? Do you pill them with them? Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 11:54:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Michelle, I am wondering she is having a difficult time to recover from the surgery itself – it’s a major surgery - something similar happened to my FIV positive cat, Leo – I almost lost him after the dental surgery and after giving him dox – he completely stopped eating for two weeks, my regular vet thought he would not recover and I knew she was thinking that I should euthanize him – I was devastated because I was not expecting it at all – but sometimes with cats with immune system already compromised will have a very difficult time to recover after the surgery – Anyway, my holistic vet suggested that I stopped antibiotics right way, and give a remedy called phosphorus (sorry I am not sure if it’s the right spell) – it caused him a miracle, I think – after two weeks, he stood up all of sudden and started eating again! I cried so hard, and my regular vet was amazed about his recovery – But it’s important that you give fluid every single day as hydration become critical to survival – which I did with Leo – he did not eat any food since I could barely force feed him, but I gave 100 ml of fluid twice a day – that’s what kept him alive until the miracle happened – I will be praying that Ginger will soon feel better.
Re: Ginger-- Hideyo
The little homeopathic pellets of phosphorous? Do you pill them with them? Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 11:54:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Michelle, I am wondering she is having a difficult time to recover from the surgery itself â itâs a major surgery - something similar happened to my FIV positive cat, Leo â I almost lost him after the dental surgery and after giving him dox â he completely stopped eating for two weeks, my regular vet thought he would not recover and I knew she was thinking that I should euthanize him â I was devastated because I was not expecting it at all â but sometimes with cats with immune system already compromised will have a very difficult time to recover after the surgery â Anyway, my holistic vet suggested that I stopped antibiotics right way, and give a remedy called phosphorus (sorry I am not sure if itâs the right spell) â it caused him a miracle, I think â after two weeks, he stood up all of sudden and started eating again! I cried so hard, and my regular vet was amazed about his recovery â But itâs important that you give fluid every single day as hydration become critical to survival â which I did with Leo â he did not eat any food since I could barely force feed him, but I gave 100 ml of fluid twice a day â thatâs what kept him alive until the miracle happened â I will be praying that Ginger will soon feel better.
RE: hideyo-- sulphur and pulsatilla
Hi, Michelle – I think that’s the brand I used – is it in a cylinder shape (blue and white color)? Here’s what I do – I put a several pallets of pills in the syringe first (by removing the top part of the syringe) and then put the top part of the syringe back together, then, put some water in the bowel, and extract water from the bowel and fill up the syringe with water – and I shake the syringe or let it sit for a while until it melts and then I give it to my cats – Please make sure not to give food 15 min. prior to and after giving the pallets – Phosphorus is a really good remedy for recovery from the surgery – give the first dose and how she does and you might want to repeat after 12 hours if you see no improvement – then, if you still don’t see the improvement – I would try Sulphur – Please know that Ginger is in my thought and prayer. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: hideyo-- sulphur and pulsatilla Hideyo-- do you use the little round homeopathic pellets (boiron brand)? If so, how many do you give, and do you pill them like regular pills (put down their throats) or give them some other way? Thanks, Michelle
RE: Ginger
Title: Message Please don't lose hope Michelleafter all, it's only 3 days since Ginger had major mouth surgery, she needs time to get over it, plus there are still avenues to try. I'm crossing my fingers that the immuno-regulin gives her a boost. And, it really is good that you're getting food and water inside her--it would be hopeless if you couldn't do that. I just saw Hideyo's very inspiring suggestion. I hope that works for Ginger too. Keep us posted. hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:29 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Ginger I've been syringing her for a week. She was on clindamycin and I switched her, with the dental vet's approval, to doxicycline for the URI, which is what I have found to work best. It's trye that dox can also cause nausea. I am not sure what to do. If her URI clears up I will switch her back to the clindamycin. The pain meds were something called Metacam, a liquid that they only get once every 48 hours. I decided not to give it to her today (she got it Wed am so this would be next dose) because of her URI, and because she did not really seem to be in a lot of pain right after the surgery-- was jumping better, playing, etc. The dental vet agreed that I should not give it to her with her URI. So she is not on any pain meds now. The woman who runs the shelter where she came from is coming over later to give her an IV injection of Immuno-regulin to see if that helps. I gave her the feline interferon last Friday-Tuesday and it did not seem to do anything. I am hoping the Immuno-regulin will work. I am starting to lose hope. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 10:31:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess just try to be as gentle as possible and try syringing some food into her. Is she on antibiotics for the URI because many antibiotics will also make them loss their appetite? Bailey on on antibiotics for about a week I think to make sure he didn't get any kind of infection. Hopefully in a day or two her mouth will feel better and her URI will start clearing up and she will get her appetite back. What kind of pain meds do you have. I believe Bailey had the fenytol (sp?) patch. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Ginger
Do not loose hope, we are all sending good healing vibes your way Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been syringing her for a week. She was on clindamycin and I switched her, with the dental vet's approval, to doxicycline for the URI, which is what I have found to work best. It's trye that dox can also cause nausea. I am not sure what to do. If her URI clears up I will switch her back to the clindamycin. The pain meds were something called Metacam, a liquid that they only get once every 48 hours. I decided not to give it to her today (she got it Wed am so this would be next dose) because of her URI, and because she did not really seem to be in a lot of pain right after the surgery-- was jumping better, playing, etc. The dental vet agreed that I should not give it to her with her URI. So she is not on any pain meds now. The woman who runs the shelter where she came from is coming over later to give her an IV injection of Immuno-regulin to see if that helps. I gave her the feline interferon last Friday-Tuesday and it did not seem to do anything. I am hoping the Immuno-regulin will work. I am starting to lose hope. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 10:31:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess just try to be as gentle as possible and try syringing some food into her. Is she on antibiotics for the URI because many antibiotics will also make them loss their appetite? Bailey on on antibiotics for about a week I think to make sure he didn't get any kind of infection. Hopefully in a day or two her mouth will feel better and her URI will start clearing up and she will get her appetite back. What kind of pain meds do you have. I believe Bailey had the fenytol (sp?) patch. Have a purrfect day Cherie
RE: Ginger
Hi, Michelle, I am wondering she is having a difficult time to recover from the surgery itself – it’s a major surgery - something similar happened to my FIV positive cat, Leo – I almost lost him after the dental surgery and after giving him dox – he completely stopped eating for two weeks, my regular vet thought he would not recover and I knew she was thinking that I should euthanize him – I was devastated because I was not expecting it at all – but sometimes with cats with immune system already compromised will have a very difficult time to recover after the surgery – Anyway, my holistic vet suggested that I stopped antibiotics right way, and give a remedy called phosphorus (sorry I am not sure if it’s the right spell) – it caused him a miracle, I think – after two weeks, he stood up all of sudden and started eating again! I cried so hard, and my regular vet was amazed about his recovery – But it’s important that you give fluid every single day as hydration become critical to survival – which I did with Leo – he did not eat any food since I could barely force feed him, but I gave 100 ml of fluid twice a day – that’s what kept him alive until the miracle happened – I will be praying that Ginger will soon feel better. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger She will not touch liver shake. She would not touch it several days ago either, though, when she was still trying to eat other things, so I think she does not like it. I am syringing it to her mixed with A/D. She does not want me to touch her now, I think because I have been syringing her so much and she hates it. She will play with a string, but otherwise hides from me. Michelle In a message dated 5/12/05 11:57:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hang on in there, Michelle--I can see why you're so down about Ginger, but I would think it is a big shock to have 10 extractions and her poor little mouth must feel terribly tender, if not downright painful. (Could she take something liquid like liver shake?) I would also think it's exhausted her. It's early days and so soon after the mouth surgery--she needs to recuperate. The fact she wants to play is surely a good sign (Levi and Caramel had NO interest in playing after they got really sick). I think you're right to give her antibiotics--mine
Re: Ginger
I've been syringing her for a week. She was on clindamycin and I switched her, with the dental vet's approval, to doxicycline for the URI, which is what I have found to work best. It's trye that dox can also cause nausea. I am not sure what to do. If her URI clears up I will switch her back to the clindamycin. The pain meds were something called Metacam, a liquid that they only get once every 48 hours. I decided not to give it to her today (she got it Wed am so this would be next dose) because of her URI, and because she did not really seem to be in a lot of pain right after the surgery-- was jumping better, playing, etc. The dental vet agreed that I should not give it to her with her URI. So she is not on any pain meds now. The woman who runs the shelter where she came from is coming over later to give her an IV injection of Immuno-regulin to see if that helps. I gave her the feline interferon last Friday-Tuesday and it did not seem to do anything. I am hoping the Immuno-regulin will work. I am starting to lose hope. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 10:31:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess just try to be as gentle as possible and try syringing some food into her. Is she on antibiotics for the URI because many antibiotics will also make them loss their appetite? Bailey on on antibiotics for about a week I think to make sure he didn't get any kind of infection. Hopefully in a day or two her mouth will feel better and her URI will start clearing up and she will get her appetite back. What kind of pain meds do you have. I believe Bailey had the fenytol (sp?) patch.
RE: Ginger
Title: Message Michelle, I'm just glad you're able to get food in her, even tho she dislikes the process so much. At least it's a comfort, however small, to know the little sweetheart is getting calories/nutrition. Praying the weekend sees Ginger's recovery, however gradual. Keep us posted, love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message- . From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:13 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Ginger She will not touch liver shake. She would not touch it several days ago either, though, when she was still trying to eat other things, so I think she does not like it. I am syringing it to her mixed with A/D. She does not want me to touch her now, I think because I have been syringing her so much and she hates it. She will play with a string, but otherwise hides from me. Michelle In a message dated 5/12/05 11:57:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hang on in there, Michelle--I can see why you're so down about Ginger, but I would think it is a big shock to have 10 extractions and her poor little mouth must feel terribly tender, if not downright painful. (Could she take something liquid like liver shake?) I would also think it's exhausted her. It's early days and so soon after the mouth surgery--she needs to recuperate. The fact she wants to play is surely a good sign (Levi and Caramel had NO interest in playing after they got really sick). I think you're right to give her antibiotics--mine This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Ginger
Michelle, Try not to question yourself so much, you know what is best you are her mommy maybe 2 days ago it did knock her out and today it will have a different effect 2 days ago she probally was still in a lot of pain, just sit back and watch her you will know what is best. Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. She was trying at first, but now she will not even look at food-- any food, including her favorite baby food. She does have a bad URI now and probably can't smell anything, so I am sure that is adding on to the mouth discomfort, but I am still very worried. She does not have a pain patch-- just got pain meds 2 days ago and I felt like it really knocked her out so am afraid to give it to her again (it is a once every 48 hours drug). Maybe I should, I don't know... Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 8:05:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I second what Kerry said, when Bailey got his teeth pulled he was pretty quite for a couple of days and he didn't eat very much he tried but it was obviouls his mouth was sore. He had a pain patch and liquid pain meds besides. It took a good 5 days or so before you could see his mouth wasn't as sore anymore. I kept a close eye on him to make sure he was eating some and after the 5 days he was pretty much back to normal. I did give him baby food for the first couple of days because that is something he likes and I figured it would be easy to lap up, and as I said he did try to eat his regular cat food just not very enthusiastically. Prayers for Gingers mouth to start feeling better soon. Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: Ginger
I guess just try to be as gentle as possible and try syringing some food into her. Is she on antibiotics for the URI because many antibiotics will also make them loss their appetite? Bailey on on antibiotics for about a week I think to make sure he didn't get any kind of infection. Hopefully in a day or two her mouth will feel better and her URI will start clearing up and she will get her appetite back. What kind of pain meds do you have. I believe Bailey had the fenytol (sp?) patch. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Ginger
She will not touch liver shake. She would not touch it several days ago either, though, when she was still trying to eat other things, so I think she does not like it. I am syringing it to her mixed with A/D. She does not want me to touch her now, I think because I have been syringing her so much and she hates it. She will play with a string, but otherwise hides from me. Michelle In a message dated 5/12/05 11:57:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hang on in there, Michelle--I can see why you're so down about Ginger, but I would think it is a big shock to have 10 extractions and her poor little mouth must feel terribly tender, if not downright painful. (Could she take something liquid like liver shake?) I would also think it's exhausted her. It's early days and so soon after the mouth surgery--she needs to recuperate. The fact she wants to play is surely a good sign (Levi and Caramel had NO interest in playing after they got really sick). I think you're right to give her antibiotics--mine
Re: Ginger
Thanks. She was trying at first, but now she will not even look at food-- any food, including her favorite baby food. She does have a bad URI now and probably can't smell anything, so I am sure that is adding on to the mouth discomfort, but I am still very worried. She does not have a pain patch-- just got pain meds 2 days ago and I felt like it really knocked her out so am afraid to give it to her again (it is a once every 48 hours drug). Maybe I should, I don't know... Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 8:05:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I second what Kerry said, when Bailey got his teeth pulled he was pretty quite for a couple of days and he didn't eat very much he tried but it was obviouls his mouth was sore. He had a pain patch and liquid pain meds besides. It took a good 5 days or so before you could see his mouth wasn't as sore anymore. I kept a close eye on him to make sure he was eating some and after the 5 days he was pretty much back to normal. I did give him baby food for the first couple of days because that is something he likes and I figured it would be easy to lap up, and as I said he did try to eat his regular cat food just not very enthusiastically. Prayers for Gingers mouth to start feeling better soon.
RE: I NEED HELP
HI Michael Just wondering how Stitch is doing after his chemo appointment. Let us know if you have time. Sending lots of healibg thoughts the little furball's way, take care, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: I NEED HELP hello all...my latest update on stitch is not a good one. his breathing is labored once again. he is scheduled for chemo today so maybe that will help. i new this day would come considering how grave his situation was when we started this treatment...ill update a little later. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Ginger
Hi Michelle, I second what Kerry said, when Bailey got his teeth pulled he was pretty quite for a couple of days and he didn't eat very much he tried but it was obviouls his mouth was sore. He had a pain patch and liquid pain meds besides. It took a good 5 days or so before you could see his mouth wasn't as sore anymore. I kept a close eye on him to make sure he was eating some and after the 5 days he was pretty much back to normal. I did give him baby food for the first couple of days because that is something he likes and I figured it would be easy to lap up, and as I said he did try to eat his regular cat food just not very enthusiastically. Prayers for Gingers mouth to start feeling better soon. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe
That is interesting to know that it is Golden Seal and not gold seal. I wonder how that is suppose to clear Samson's mouth up. Georgette, the person that told me about it has not responded to any of my E-Mails on this. Maybe her computer is down. that is interesting to know that it is a herb.
Barbara"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Barbara - that's interesting! I use Golden Seal, and love it. I don't know much about it's use internally, but do use it as a mouth wash, and have recently used it on my kitties as a mouth wash. Course the kitty swallowed it, but hey, that's all right, I just don't know much about it.I get it at the health food store - buy it dry in capsules, and open them up. For a mouth wash, can mix it in water. For this kitty, I mixed it with water or Georges Aloe Vera and used a syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Also gave him a bunch of other things, including Dr. Belfield's vitamin C.I put it on any cuts or scratches that I get (or a cat or dog), and use it myself on cold sores, mouth ulcers, etc.GloriaHi Georgette,My vet wants to try the gold seal on Samson. He couldn't find it on the
internet. Is it an injection, power or what? Let me know.Barbara[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Barbara; My name is Georgette. Your email didnt say were you live. I have a Pet sitting service and I specialize in animals with special needs. I was a vet Teck. I also read in your email that your one angel has thryoid problems. My Tafty had thryoid problems and I had the Iodione Treatment done with one injection and a four day stay in the hospital because it is radioative and now your thryoid is back to normal. And Samson that has Stomatitis. Take him to a Dental Vet that does nothing but dental work on animals and deals with Stomatitis. Have the pockets of the teeth cleaned out and all the teeth but the four canie in the front left in and put the cat on gold seal. My Fantasia had Stomatitis when I had all the teeth out except for the four canie and put him on gold seal he never had a nother problem
with the Stomatitis. But make sure they clean the pockets of the teeths out. My Fantasia was FeLv Positive and it is from that. Fantasia is on the other side now since August 14, 2004. I looked up Stomatitis in vet medical books and found out what to do. Keep iin touch I use to be a Vet Teck.-Original Message-From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:28:25 -0700Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe.AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { border-bottom: 2px solid #E9EAEB; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #66; background: #E9EAEB; padding: 3px 0px 1px 10px; }
.AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #66; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px Tahoma; color: #33; }> *I have not been any where over night for 7 >years. There is just not any one to trust >conpletely.*>Oh yeah Barbara, it sounds like Tom has steered you to the right group of people! You're definitely one of us!NinaBarbara Baass wrote:> *Problem is that I don't have family here and >few friends that I have > are not cat lovers.*> *Had a bad experience with cat sitter. She was >suppose to come by > twice a day and I came home >early and caught her here at around 2:00 > that >afternoon. It was suppose to be in the morning >and in the > afternoon. I was mad. I had a CRF >kitty at the time. I wondered how > long she had >been coming by like that, only
once a day and my >getting > charged twice. I had another sitter >and she was great. She wrote down > every thing >from the time she came till the time she left. >She moved > to Houston though. I only had two >kitties then. Now I have 5, so I > have not been >any where over night for 7 years. There is just >not any > one to trust conpletely. Mitsy has to >have thyroid pills twice a day > and Samson has >to have steriod pills every day because of the >Stomatitis.*> *Barbara*> * *>> */Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:>> I live in an apt house & made arrangements with my superÄôs son to> come in twice a day to feed, water, & clean out the boxes. HeÄôs> been doing this for me since he was 13 & the advantage is that he> doesnÄôt have to travel, I know his parents make sure he comes
up,> and if anything is wrong in the apt., his father would be right> there. He & his parents have my cell phone number & I call every> few days. He also has the name/phone of a friend who came to check> in every few days & would handle any medical emergencies.>> /*/Chris/*/>> >/*/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/*/ >>> -Original Message-> *From:* >[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >*O
Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe
So it is an herb. The person that send me the information said it was gold seal. No wonder my vet couldn't find it on the internet. BarbaraTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: golden seal is an herb; i know it's available as a powder--oh, gloria?where ARE you? try a google search for itOn 5/12/05, Barbara Baass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Hi Georgette, > My vet wants to try the gold seal on Samson. He couldn't find it on the> internet. Is it an injection, power or what? Let me know. > Barbara > -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more.
Re: I NEED HELP
A friend of mine moved here from Kansas and brought her kitty in a carrier. She did stops for him to give him water and food and spend a little time with him and stayed in a motel that night so he wouldn't be stressed out and had his litter box. He did just great. You have to be sure he gets to go to the bathroom on the road too. For sure don't drive straight through. Karolyn Lount <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, It should be no trouble to take your cats with you. Lots of peopledrive across country with cats. The first thing is you should not planon driving straight thru. That is dangerous to you and other people onthe road Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
Re: I NEED HELP
Hi, It should be no trouble to take your cats with you. Lots of people drive across country with cats. The first thing is you should not plan on driving straight thru. That is dangerous to you and other people on the road
Re: possibly-positive pregnant girl needs foster
I haven't put it into play yet, but I've always thought the bow around the neck, hit the doorbell and run plan is a good one! Nina TenHouseCats wrote: yeah, it's definitely my fault, i guess for insisting upon educating them! and who, pray tell, amongst us are NOT certifiable?? would we be DOING this if we weren't? however, on the craziness scale, i think ours is a good-for-the-universe kind (um, gloria, am i being delusional AGAIN?) i've told them i'll take her if no one else can but i DO wish they'd stop sending me posts about other pregnant kitties.. you'd think it was kitten season or something! (hee hee, gloria doesn't realize i stil have her street address let's not tell her about any strange packages that may arrive on her doorstep in the next months, huh?)
