Re: Mama Kitty
Mama Kitty looks great!! Thanks for sharing the good news! yvonne In a message dated 6/17/2006 2:46:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Still fairly new to the list here -- but reading faithfully and going through it all with you guys. In review - Mama Kitty was FeVL+ symptomatic six weeks ago - had lost 14% of her body weight, was very anemic, and did not have a good prognosis before I began a five week treatment with acemannon tummy shots and supplements including colostrum. (initial treatment included ammoxi and short-acting corticosteroid shot...) Since, she has gained weight - continues to improve...plays with her toys again and raced like a mad woman across the yard and more than six feet up a big oak tree recently :0) To be honest -- I don't know exactly where we stand now -- but this morning I asked Mama Kitty how she was feeling. You can see from the picture she says, "I'm feeling pretty good right now!" http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MVC-082F.JPG Just praying for good days and hoping to spread a little hope :0) head butts and kittie kisses to you all.
Re: To Gina
Hi Wendy, Pippin is due for her next test in three weeks. She will be three months old then. How much L-lysine or vitamin C and in what form should we give her? Do you have a particular brand(s) of food you recommend? Right now she is getting Science Diet wet kitten food mixed with KMR four times a day. We are trying to keep her stress-free and safe. She has her own large crate with her food, water and a litter pan, plus toys and a bed. She stays there when we are not at home or are sleeping. Otherwise she has the run of the house, except for the adult cats' room. She does not have access to their food, water or litter pans or vice-versa. They seem to accept her, but they don't care for her chasing them around and trying to play all the time! :) Gina wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gina,Your website is too cute! Love the pics and thelittle stories next to them. Pippin may indeed testfalse with her next FeLV test. MANY cats throw thevirus off. I can't remember exactly how long youwait, but I think 3 months is the minimum wait becauseso many kittens give a false positive early on. Pippin may not even have it to begin with! In themeantime, feed her good quality food, keep her stressfree, and supplement her diet with immune systemboosters, like L-lysine or vitamin C. Please keep usposted on her next test and anything in between.:)WendyDallas, Tx__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: kitty fur changing color???
I've had cats change colors before, yes. Many times buff or orange ones will turn lighter. Tigger is orange, and now has been growing black whiskers lately, and I've now seen a few black hairs in his coat too, now THAT is weird! It may be an overpigmentation issue, he developed a tiny black freckle on his upper lip when he was about a year old, and it's been growing a little ever since. Mythic is growing more white hairs throughout his coat as he ages too, he was almost all black with only one white whisker for 2 years, now he has 3 white whiskers and white hairs all throughout his coat, very salt and peppery. I pick on them both about it, I say, "My orange kitty is turning black, and my black kitty is turning white... Tiggy, did you steal Miffie's black hairs?" Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: Phaewryn and Bones
Yes, I'm very overwhelmed right now. Adoptions are so low. it's not just me, it's nationally, adoption rates are way down right now. I'm working out a new program to connect cats with local seniors at NO cost to them. I'm going to place my cats in good indoor senior's homes and deliver weekly food/litter supplies free for the duration of the cat being there. My vet says this is a GREAT idea, and they think I will have MANY interested seniors, as they have had many seniors lose beloved cats, and want to adopt another, but that didn't due to cost of upkeep. They suspect that as soon as I get my flyers posted at their office, I will get several interested phone calls in the program. I'm very hopeful that this option may work out in the long run. I don't have funding issues at all, I have space issues, so this would be a perfect solution for me and the cats, and also potentially VERY good for a lonely senior. The ferals seem well, the ones I've seen anyways, some have disappeared... not uncommon for relocated ferals. You can only expect a 70% survival/success rate on relocated colonies. The other option was a 100% death rate, so it's a good end result, though it's far from ideal. I try to be logical about it. I REALLY miss one of them, and worry about him, he wasn't real feral, maybe he found a home, that's all I can hope for, that he is now a beloved pet somewhere... Mackenzie is his name. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: to Nina
A far worse thing for dental health in cats is the fact that most people don't take their cats into the vet for annual tooth scaling. What makes wet food so bad is that people feed it, and then don't provide proper tooth care. Wet food alone is NOT the culprit. With dry food, it is less apt to cause issues in cats that go YEARS without dental care. Feeding your cat a few dry "dental" treats (or RAW bones) is all that is needed to remove wet food goo from the teeth, or, if you're really into it, and care about dental health, they DO make cat tooth brushes and toothpaste. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
To Kris re: website
Hi Kris, Thank you for the compliment on their website. I really enjoy working on it. I purchased my domain name and webspace through Startlogic. We have a main site which is our family website and then a page for the kitties' site. If you have any other questions about the website, feel free to ask :) Pippin is a joy! In just the two short weeks we've had her, she has made a permanent place in my heart. Gina gwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Love your website!! Can I ask who you go through to do it? And little Pippin is so adorable, looks like a cat I had when growing up, Tiger. I hope your little girl will test negative when retested :). Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- Original Message - From: Gina To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Hello, new to Felvtalk Hi, I wanted to introduce myself and my kitten. Her name Pippin. She is about nine weeks old and had a faint positive result on her first FeLV test on Thursday. I've been frantically doing research about the disease and I came across the felineleukemia.org support group. I am looking for others to talk with :) Pippin and our other cats have a website if you would like to visit it: http://tiggerwiggins.com/tiggertales.html Thank you, Gina No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: Mama Kitty
her mouth looks nice and pink now! Looks GOOD! Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: (no subject)
They both make wet foods too, try that petfooddirect.com website I posted, they show all their wet foods too (I believe I posted direct links to the wet varieties for each brand I listed). I'm reading my bag of California natural right now, it does NOT have phenyalanine in it, unless it's under the guise of "natural flavors". I think that out of all the wet brands I read doing the research for you that the Innova Evo was the highest protein wet cat food available. I'm not the local expert on wet and raw diets for this group.. I'm sure one of them will join in and tell us why wet/raw is better due to the increased liquid and how the protein ratios work out, but I am fairly sure that it's the same in the end because the cats on "wet" diets drink less water so the protein they eat doesn't get "diluted" much with extra water, where-as cats on dry diets drink a ton more water, so the protein in the food they eat gets well diluted down to the same difference as what's in wet food... that's the only logical explanation as to why wet cat food is so much lower in protein. Someone here MUST know that for sure though I guess I'm used to living out in the country, I order most everything online. My food I can buy at my vet's office, but all supplies and supplements I buy at fostersmith.com. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
OT: kitty fur changing color???
Hey guys, Just wondering...Smookie's fur was all black, but recently in the past couple of weeks I've noticed it changing around her neck, on her chest, belly, butt, and sides to a white/black peppery color. The color is actually really beautiful and soft and fluffy. I was wondering if any of you have had any experience with your kitty's changing color? I don't think she is a Siamese mix. My Siamese mix was a light beige and then changed to a dark brown seal point the older she got, but this is different. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Gina
Gina, Your website is too cute! Love the pics and the little stories next to them. Pippin may indeed test false with her next FeLV test. MANY cats throw the virus off. I can't remember exactly how long you wait, but I think 3 months is the minimum wait because so many kittens give a false positive early on. Pippin may not even have it to begin with! In the meantime, feed her good quality food, keep her stress free, and supplement her diet with immune system boosters, like L-lysine or vitamin C. Please keep us posted on her next test and anything in between. :) Wendy Dallas, Tx __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Kris re questions
Hey Kris, I don't have answers to all your questions, but hopefully I can help out with some. I feed my furbabies Innova Evo, which is one of the best. You can't get it at Petsmart or Petco. You can get it online or through smaller pet boutiques. As far as I can tell from research, canned food is fine, and absolutely better than dry (especially dry that contains grains). If Spaz does not go outside at all, I would not vaccinate her for rabies; no reason to. That's just my opinion. Plus, I don't think you can give rabies to your babies; I think they have to be bitten by a rabid animal to contract it. As far as communicating with others about cats and various cat subjects, I think the internet is the best medium for this. The problem is getting animal lovers who are not computer savvy, or listserve savvy, to participate. I think the internet is a fabulous tool for information exchange, and much more efficient than in person. In the future, it will be the be-all/end-all of information exchange on current topics, such as cat care. Cornell University is one of the best research facilities for FeLV. Texas A&M is also a good place to look for more info. There are a few others, but I can't remember them. Hope this info. helps! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Kerry re Bandy
Hey Kerry, I have bought the IR (Equistim) from Revival and it costs about $50 total including about $18 in S&H, although that might be off a few bucks. They can send it very quickly. It comes in a cooler container, and the IR has to be kept refrigerated. I can't remember the dose that Cricket got. :) Wendy --- Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I took him to the vet today..she is out of town, but > in touch with them..They gave him 200cc sub-q > fluids, ran a cbc, gave him tagamet injection and > Bcomplex injection..His temp was 102.8 which it has > been going up and down the since Thurs.. > His total protein was 5.8 (not good) PCV was 22 > also not good since 3 wks ago is was the highest it > had been since he was on procrit last Aug..So she > thinks that maybe all his blood work is off due to > being a little dehydrated.. He did eat a little when > we got home on his own and drank some water..He went > to the litter box without falling, but it was all he > could do to get back to his bed and fall over on his > left side since his leg trouble is on the right..He > did walk somewhat better though..but wobbly.. > I gave him 3cc of nutrical, too..So they said I > need to bring him back tomorrow to be looked at > again to see if he is better and for more fluids. I > hate to do that, but if he needs any other meds, it > is the best way for us to do it..I could give the > fluids here, but he might need something else..His > WBC was normal...I think they will probably run > another PCV and TP on Monday to see if they went up > after he is hydrated and hopefully eating. I am > going to try the immuno-regulin for sure..It might > be what we should have done a long time ago.. > Nina, have you bought that from the site you sent > to me or do you know someone that has? Just > wondering..Please let me know what you all know > about this as I want to start that asap. > Thanks again to you all, > Kerry and Bandy > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new > Yahoo! Mail Beta. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Kerry, Bandy is in my prayers, as are you. I hope the vet is able to help him and that he bounces back quickly. Poor guy...he's had a tough time of late. :) Wendy --- Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi guys, > I posted some of Bandy's troubles under the > ringworm topic...He really is sick right now...the > worst I have seen since all this started last > June..I am hoping he will respond to some of the > meds real soon..I don't know what to do for him.. > He won't eat and drinks only a little...He can't > get up at all...I stood him up but he is too weak to > stand alone, cause of his leg hurting him.. I think > he must have another infection somewhere or I really > just don't know...but something is for sure not > right..other than the leg problem... > Anyway, please pray for him. > Thank you, > Kerry and Bandy > > > - > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make > PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Please pray for Bandy
I'm so sorry little Bandy is sick. I will be praying for you both.
Re: SPCA's Views on FelV
> Testing is VERY expensive when you take in numbers of cats. It's > hard to break even as it is... most people don't want to pay over > $70 for a cat's adoption fee... the FIV/FELV combo snap test is > $35. Add the spay/neuter... and you're already losing money. I > have never ever once made any profit on saving a single cat in my 1 > care. My typical loss is upwards of $50 for every cat I rescue, > just in vet work, that's not saying how much in food, litter, and > supplies I spend for every cat. > I am really lucky that I can get cats tested for $16 each. I do have to wait, sometimes for hours, though. We charge a higher adoption fee and I still lose enough money that I can't take in any more fosters. Missy has to go to the kitty cardiologist and we are having layoffs at my job. Adoptions are down this year too. Oh, I also have a wondeful vet who doesn't charge me an exam fee. He loses money on me big time. I still spent over $125 in meds just for fosters in the month of May, not including my own cats.
to Nina
Also, thanks for the responses to all the other questions. I am still just confused about how the cat gets enough protein out of the canned food to stay healthy. Also, is it really as bad for their oral health as the vets, etc. say it is? From a human standpoint, I know this is not true as I am in the dental field, but I don't know if something could be different for cats/animals. It doesn't seem like it would, but... I agree completely that the public, as well as the vets in my opinion, need to be educated. Not that I know all that much, but I do know some and more than the average person, and mainly, I just know my own experiences and what worked, etc., so that is what I want to share. Not only about leukemia, but also about ferals. 4 of my cats are ferals, and they are just wonderful. Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
Re: [NMHP] Silly bugs, kibble is for cats!-To Michelle
Yes, I was there years ago, and it was fantastically beautiful, and the shelter is unbelievably large and well-run and wonderful. Michelle In a message dated 6/15/2006 6:25:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle,I love Best Friends! I think what they are doing isfantastic. They are VERY well connected too. I amsad today because I had to cancel our reservations tovisit and volunteer in the cat sanctuary at BestFriends early next month. My husband took a new joband we cannot take off. We will eventually make itthere though! Angel Canyon is supposed to bebeautiful!
Re: Please pray for Bandy
These are just things I have been told, not really my opinion as I have no medical training myself. I know medical things we are told are often wrong, including things told to me. Michelle In a message dated 6/17/2006 7:47:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess we have some conflicting information, etc. But that's what this site is for - to share ideas and try to help. Apparently, they are having a hard time figuring out what is going on w/ Bandy. As far as fungi and steroids, it depends on the fungus. The treatment that was supposed to work had no effect whatsoever, so it was evidently something unusual. Steroids can irritate some fungal infections, but the fungus showed up there and grew without any steroid, so I don't think it "feeds" the fungus. But that is your opinion, which we are all entitled to have. Kris
Re: Please pray for Bandy
I guess we have some conflicting information, etc. But that's what this site is for - to share ideas and try to help. Apparently, they are having a hard time figuring out what is going on w/ Bandy. As far as fungi and steroids, it depends on the fungus. The treatment that was supposed to work had no effect whatsoever, so it was evidently something unusual. Steroids can irritate some fungal infections, but the fungus showed up there and grew without any steroid, so I don't think it "feeds" the fungus. But that is your opinion, which we are all entitled to have. Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Please pray for Bandy Most feline anemia is not due to low iron. I myself had low iron anemia for a while, and my iron levels were actually low. But I am vegan, and on a medicine that hinders iron absorbtion, and a menstruating woman. Fasting for a few days does not make people get iron anemic, usually. And vets have told me that cats do not tend to get iron anemic. It may be that it affects it somewhat, but it should not make a big difference in their PCV. Michelle In a message dated 6/17/2006 7:01:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if you the animal isn't getting iron and protein, wouldn't that hinder production? Kris
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Most feline anemia is not due to low iron. I myself had low iron anemia for a while, and my iron levels were actually low. But I am vegan, and on a medicine that hinders iron absorbtion, and a menstruating woman. Fasting for a few days does not make people get iron anemic, usually. And vets have told me that cats do not tend to get iron anemic. It may be that it affects it somewhat, but it should not make a big difference in their PCV. Michelle In a message dated 6/17/2006 7:01:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if you the animal isn't getting iron and protein, wouldn't that hinder production? Kris
Re: Please pray for Bandy
But if you the animal isn't getting iron and protein, wouldn't that hinder production? Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Please pray for Bandy I don't think that not eating affects PCV much. Michelle In a message dated 6/17/2006 6:42:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It sounds like if he would just eat, then his PCV and protein would improve. Even though 22 is lower than he was, at least it's still a decent number. I guess I'm just saying, I personally don't think he is anywhere near being ready to cross yet. He just needs help, and that is presenting to be tricky at the moment. I wish I knew something to help you, but I don't, but still, personally, I think keep on trying, don't give up yet. My Spaz was almost gone thrice, but we made it. It seems strange to me that he would have a fever but normal WBC, unless his personal count is usually lower, so this is actually high for him, but still technically within the "normal" range. All I can tell you is that Spaz, when in the hospital for her URI, had a temp that would go up and down for about 8 days, and then finally was able to keep it down. I wish you the best for Bandy!
Re: Bandy and the ringworm-- depo
That is REALLY strange, because steroids usually feed fungi and make them worse, I think. They help with allergies, though. Michelle In a message dated 6/15/2006 8:42:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is not the same situation, but Spaz once had a fungal ear infection which the vet attempted to treat with Conofite, and it did absolutely nothing. He then gave her a shot of Depo-Medrol, and that gave excellent results.
to Nina
thanks a lot for the recipe - you say it's a pain in the neck - is that for us, or the turkey :) just kidding, and i agree wholeheartedly that it is worth it if it keeps 'em healthy Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
Re: Please pray for Bandy
I don't think that not eating affects PCV much. Michelle In a message dated 6/17/2006 6:42:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It sounds like if he would just eat, then his PCV and protein would improve. Even though 22 is lower than he was, at least it's still a decent number. I guess I'm just saying, I personally don't think he is anywhere near being ready to cross yet. He just needs help, and that is presenting to be tricky at the moment. I wish I knew something to help you, but I don't, but still, personally, I think keep on trying, don't give up yet. My Spaz was almost gone thrice, but we made it. It seems strange to me that he would have a fever but normal WBC, unless his personal count is usually lower, so this is actually high for him, but still technically within the "normal" range. All I can tell you is that Spaz, when in the hospital for her URI, had a temp that would go up and down for about 8 days, and then finally was able to keep it down. I wish you the best for Bandy!
Re: Please pray for Bandy
It sounds like if he would just eat, then his PCV and protein would improve. Even though 22 is lower than he was, at least it's still a decent number. I guess I'm just saying, I personally don't think he is anywhere near being ready to cross yet. He just needs help, and that is presenting to be tricky at the moment. I wish I knew something to help you, but I don't, but still, personally, I think keep on trying, don't give up yet. My Spaz was almost gone thrice, but we made it. It seems strange to me that he would have a fever but normal WBC, unless his personal count is usually lower, so this is actually high for him, but still technically within the "normal" range. All I can tell you is that Spaz, when in the hospital for her URI, had a temp that would go up and down for about 8 days, and then finally was able to keep it down. I wish you the best for Bandy! Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Kerry Roach To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Please pray for Bandy I took him to the vet today..she is out of town, but in touch with them..They gave him 200cc sub-q fluids, ran a cbc, gave him tagamet injection and Bcomplex injection..His temp was 102.8 which it has been going up and down the since Thurs.. His total protein was 5.8 (not good) PCV was 22 also not good since 3 wks ago is was the highest it had been since he was on procrit last Aug..So she thinks that maybe all his blood work is off due to being a little dehydrated.. He did eat a little when we got home on his own and drank some water..He went to the litter box without falling, but it was all he could do to get back to his bed and fall over on his left side since his leg trouble is on the right..He did walk somewhat better though..but wobbly.. I gave him 3cc of nutrical, too..So they said I need to bring him back tomorrow to be looked at again to see if he is better and for more fluids. I hate to do that, but if he needs any other meds, it is the best way for us to do it..I could give the fluids here, but he might need something else..His WBC was normal...I think they will probably run another PCV and TP on Monday to see if they went up after he is hydrated and hopefully eating. I am going to try the immuno-regulin for sure..It might be what we should have done a long time ago.. Nina, have you bought that from the site you sent to me or do you know someone that has? Just wondering..Please let me know what you all know about this as I want to start that asap. Thanks again to you all, Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!?Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: felv kittten
Have you tried calling Tabby's Place? I think it's on 22 or 202 near Bridgewater. When I was there last year they said they were going to build a room for FeLV+ cats and kittens. If they don't have space, they may know someone who does. Michelle Flanders, NJ In a message dated 6/17/2006 12:15:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i work at a pet store and i have other kitten that had been dump there. i took him in but the gorup i vol is to full and i do not have the money to pay for a lot the group i vol test him for me. but i have 4 other kitten and 1 adult cat. the other kitten test neg. i live in nj any help any one at can give will be great or if you know any one that live in nj that foster felv cat that if he does test pos that might have opening it would be helpful. his name is Giggles i do not know how to post under the same page sry if i doing this work please help ty
Re: Bandy and the ringworm
Kerry, maybe you should have her get it overnighted by Revival so it will get there on Tuesday. Michelle
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Kerry,. if he is still not eating enough, 1) try the liver shake recipe, and 2) if he won't eat that either or enough (normal or almost normal amount) you should probably syringe feed him some. Once they don't eat, they feel weaker and worse, which makes them less likely to eat, a vicious circle. You need to get food into him. Prayers, Michelle In a message dated 6/17/2006 5:29:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys, I posted some of Bandy's troubles under the ringworm topic...He really is sick right now...the worst I have seen since all this started last June..I am hoping he will respond to some of the meds real soon..I don't know what to do for him.. He won't eat and drinks only a little...He can't get up at all...I stood him up but he is too weak to stand alone, cause of his leg hurting him.. I think he must have another infection somewhere or I really just don't know...but something is for sure not right..other than the leg problem... Anyway, please pray for him. Thank you, Kerry and Bandy
Re: immuno-regulin dosage
Kerry, At least to start, I would give I-R IV, at the vet's if you can't do it yourself. That is the only way the studies show it working and the company that makes it says it will work. They advise against giving it sub-q. However, at least 2 cats on this list have gotten it sub-q without problems, and they seem to think it works really well, so if he continues to get it after the first couple of times I might try it sub-q. But with how badly he is feeling right now, I would start IV. The Dr. who wrote one of the articles on the website says he gives 1 ml IV every 3 or 4 days for 10 days. I have given 1 ml at a time. But one of my cats had a reaction at that dosage, having a fever spike and chills for an hour (but then got SO much better immediately and started eating), so I decided I would start at a lower dosage next time. The veterinary medical reference book (don't remember what it is called, maybe the Veterinary Pill Book) says to give 1/2 ml to 1 ml. So you might want to start with 1/2 ml. Then again, one of my cats did fine with no side effects on 1 ml, and the 1 ml dosage really does seem to jump start their immune systems, so maybe at this point you should try it, I don't know. Sorry I can't be more definitive, Michelle In a message dated 6/17/2006 5:50:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was trying to find some more info on the IR..and found the posts by Cindy about giving it sub-q..I need to know how much IV and sub-q..and how often we should stay with it...I guess we really need a starting point to see if it won't help Bandy.. I will keep trying to catch up on the past posts, but if you could post it again, it would really help since it is needed quickly...Also, what about him being on steroids? I read that it isn't good or they have to be off them for a week... Thanks so much, Kerry and Bandy
Re: two more questions that I forgot
Yes, on the lysine. As to interferon, most people who give it give it prophylactically, before they get sick, to try to keep the immune system up. It is up in the air how much, or if, it helps. Personally I think that things like lysine and immuno-regulin work better, but I-R is not generally given prophylactically (though someone on this list works at a shelter where a 10 year old positive cat was dropped off when her person went to a nursing home, and she had been healthy since birth with FeLV and was getting I-R regularly as an immune builder. Michelle In a message dated 6/17/2006 10:24:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi again all, I also was wondering, with all the talk about lysine lately, if that is just regular lysine, the same as humans would consume, but without the propylene glycol? is that right?
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Kerry, I bought the Immuno-Regulin from Revival online, and it arrived quickly and without problem, and I think was about $30 for a vial I have used several times and it is still half full. Michelle
Re: Hello, new to Felvtalk
Love your website!! Can I ask who you go through to do it? And little Pippin is so adorable, looks like a cat I had when growing up, Tiger. I hope your little girl will test negative when retested :). Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Gina To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Hello, new to Felvtalk Hi, I wanted to introduce myself and my kitten. Her name Pippin. She is about nine weeks old and had a faint positive result on her first FeLV test on Thursday. I've been frantically doing research about the disease and I came across the felineleukemia.org support group. I am looking for others to talk with :) Pippin and our other cats have a website if you would like to visit it: http://tiggerwiggins.com/tiggertales.html Thank you, Gina No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
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Well, let your bad feeling leave you :) I forgot all about Drs. Foster & Smith (sorry to have bothered anyone with that question now), but I do know of them. I guess I was just looking for a location to actually GO to and get it. Also, I do not buy my cat food at Wal-Mart; I am currently buying from a specialty store. I know the other stuff is garbage, and also know to avoid by-products, bone meals, corn, and additives, and that taurine is an essential nutrient. I just don't remember seeing any good vitamin supplements at the pet store, either, but perhaps I'm wrong...I've been to the naturapet website looking at Felidae and Calif. Naturals, but that was just dry food. Also, Calif. Nat. has phenyalanine in it, which is known to cause tumors. I will go back and check out the moist food at their site and the other you gave, but I'm still not sure I understand how the cat will get enough protein when the percentage is so much lower. Will I simply feed more of it to make up the difference? Thanks for all your guys' input! Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: (no subject) Oh, the canned food thing... I have a bad feeling that since the only place you knew to buy vitamin supplements was Walmart, you may actually be feeding that stuff they call "cat food" that you can buy in Walmart or the grocery store. That stuff is NOT any good at all. Friskies, Cat Chow, Alley Cat, etc, all TRASH; Pro Plan, Iams, Hill's, all only one step above TRASH. You should only buy pet food at a vet's office or a specialty pet supply store. Look for the "super premium" brands. A can of cat food should NEVER cost less than $0.75 for a 5.5 oz can (most good ones are near a dollar a can or more), or you aren't buying good quality. Friskies, Purina, Fancy Feast, those are all BAD foods. Read the ingredients labels, the first ingredient should always be some kind of MEAT (not meat by products, or bone meal, or anything except MEAT). Cat food should never contain any corn. Cat food should ideally not contain anything you can't pronounce, unless it's a vitamin or mineral (carrageenan, guar gum, BHA, BHT, etc, all not so great wet cat food ingredients). Sometimes you can't get around the guar gum, just look for ones with LESS of it). Make sure that any cat food you feed has TAURINE in it. Even the super premium brands, in wet food, they will be lower protein than dry foods. This is due to the amount of water used to make it. It's not any less quality of protein, it's just watered down. Cats fed all wet food diets will tend to drink less water on the side, cats that eat all dry food diets will drink more. It works out about the same in the end. Most people choose to feed both dry and wet, others choose all dry (usually due to convenience), others choose all wet (cats tend to prefer wet food, many owners claim it's more natural since raw dead animals are very wet by nature). Still other owners choose to feed all raw diets of REAL dead animals, the MOST natural diet for any carnivore, such as a cat. Lot's of us just don't have that much time, that's my excuse anyways. I feed free choice dry food in an auto-feeder and give wet food as a treat only upon occasion. But I work two jobs, and just don't have much time to do "what's best". It's all what WORKS for you, and what your cat does the best on. It's very trial&error. :) Here is the brands I feed, their website is very good, you can view each variety of cat food, and read all the ingredients, and nutritional info for each one. They even let you compare four kinds side by side: http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=foods-tab Their Innova EVO is the highest protein cat food they make (I personally feed the California Natural brand): http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&[EMAIL PROTECTED] Other good brands: Wellness: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6&brand%5Fid=913 Chicken Soup: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6&brand%5Fid=630 Felidae: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6&brand%5Fid=300 Wysong: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6&brand%5Fid=151 (there are others, just read labels) If you don't have a good vet store or pet supply store near you, this is a good online pet food store: http://petfooddirect.com/store/ (you can look up many brands and compare on this site, a wonderful resource) Just so you know, there are super premium cat food brands that aren't very good too, so you have to read labels. One to avoid is Flint River... it's all corn and by-products, yet very expensive. I hope that helps! Jenn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little
Re: Please pray for Bandy
I took him to the vet today..she is out of town, but in touch with them..They gave him 200cc sub-q fluids, ran a cbc, gave him tagamet injection and Bcomplex injection..His temp was 102.8 which it has been going up and down the since Thurs.. His total protein was 5.8 (not good) PCV was 22 also not good since 3 wks ago is was the highest it had been since he was on procrit last Aug..So she thinks that maybe all his blood work is off due to being a little dehydrated.. He did eat a little when we got home on his own and drank some water..He went to the litter box without falling, but it was all he could do to get back to his bed and fall over on his left side since his leg trouble is on the right..He did walk somewhat better though..but wobbly.. I gave him 3cc of nutrical, too..So they said I need to bring him back tomorrow to be looked at again to see if he is better and for more fluids. I hate to do that, but if he needs any other meds, it is the best way for us to do it..I could give the fluids here, but he might need something else..His WBC was normal...I think they will probably run another PCV and TP on Monday to see if they went up after he is hydrated and hopefully eating. I am going to try the immuno-regulin for sure..It might be what we should have done a long time ago.. Nina, have you bought that from the site you sent to me or do you know someone that has? Just wondering..Please let me know what you all know about this as I want to start that asap. Thanks again to you all, Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: Nina-Ty (Little Noses)
Interjecting here - maybe inappropriately...but I am so sorry you guys are dealing with health issues-- but I just have to tell you how much I appreciate that you have a house full of love :-) We're (my kitties and I) are outside the city limits too -- and it just makes me feel good about my country to know there are people like you who care so much and take time to tune in to these dear creatures. We're lucky to have them even when they do present themselves for help with sickness and other troubles. It's a good life - and you are a dear soul. In a message dated 6/16/2006 6:44:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, I'm called either Roxane or Ann, my mom didn't want me to be called Roxy so she nicknamed me before other kids would. I just don't know why she didn't name me Ann it that is what she was going to call me. : ) Tom, my husband, and I for the last 5 years or so have trapped ferals and have taken them in for spay/neuter and then return them where we trapped them (our property), some we see again others we don't. Any kittens we find we work to socialize and find homes. Ty is the first one I would call a stray not feral. The first day I was able to pick him up and handle with out being scratched or biten, he just cuddled right in when I picked him up, it was love for me. Ty is our first Felv to come to our house, I hope this is not a new pattern starting. The cat clinic just upset me more, it was more than obvious they didn't want to deal with a Felv cat. Since dealing with a canine with auto-immune disease I've really come to not trust vets in general. I hope I don't offend anyone when I get talking about my views of vets but I believe if they wouldn't be so money hungry they would help educate their clients about vaccines and not over vaccinate. I know that a lot of it is my fault too, I never thought a vet would hurt my puppy. I better stop talking about the vets & canines I have lots to say. I will not worry about the little noses, he is not blowing bubbles anymore. I know, that is really bad but he has improved a lot, very little stuffiness and is purring fairly normal. I think it is funny how many people say their fiv's are couch potatoes, Peep has never got that memo, he is always doing something, very active comparied to my other healthy 8 y/o (Jay) both are my luv bugs. Peep has major issues with Ty, Peep has a strong territorial instinct, guess that is why he is fiv, he will not back down from a fight and enjoys starting them, ok, I guess he is only a sweetie to me & my husband. Tom keeps telling me to prepare myself, he knows how hard it will be on me when something does happen with Peep but I don't think it will be any different from my 11 y/o healthy boy Chandler (he is my first cat) or any other one, they are my kids along with the canines. I have just 2 canines Cheyenne, a 12 y/o Golden Retriever rescue, and Pollee a wild 4 y/o field English Setter, she is the one that opened a lot of doors for me in the world of animal health, because of her auto-immune disease she has a low thyroid, major allergy issues, along with some other little things. I also have 1 Jersey Wooly rabbit and a bunch of chickens running the yard driving the dogs nuts. I'm lucky I live out in the country and the county, at this time, doesn't limit us to how many pets we can have. so do you have dogs? You don't have to tell me numbers Roxane,Horton, Iowa
Re: Hello, new to Felvtalk
Hi Gina! What a little sweetheart!! I'd certainly retest her in a few months as there's a possibility that she may test negative next time around...in the meantime, I'd make sure everybody's immune systems are good and strong with an excellent quality food! Such a cutie...Love the name! We used to have a cat named "Piglet" (his tail was kinked so that it wrapped itself in a loop like a little pig's tail) but his name was later shortened to "Pips," one of my all-time favorite names! Don't be shy about questions...this is a wonderful and supportive group! I don't know what I'd do without them! :) Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George "The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: Gina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:05 pm Subject: Hello, new to Felvtalk To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi, > > I wanted to introduce myself and my kitten. Her name Pippin. > She is about nine weeks old and had a faint positive result on her > first FeLV test on Thursday. I've been frantically doing research > about the disease and I came across the felineleukemia.org support > group. I am looking for others to talk with :) > > Pippin and our other cats have a website if you would like to > visit it: http://tiggerwiggins.com/tiggertales.html > > Thank you, > Gina > > > No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to > welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery > > - > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
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Just jumping in here -- Nina - I always appreciate your posts and I'm not good about telling you so. Thanks with all my heart. We're an 8 kitty household here and we're new to FeVL+ (about 2 months new)...so since Mama Kitty tested positive and has spent quite a lot of time indoors with the rest of the pride -- I've been getting everyone tested all over again (at $60 a pop, I might add) and as soon as they test negative - on we go to the vaccine. The fabulous news is that everyone so far (including the runt of Mama Kitty's litter whom I helped birth) has tested negative. My youngest now is 2 and the rest are 2 or older ranging to 8 years old)...but they've all cohabitated through the winter and done what all it is that kitties do with each other---eating, grooming and doing their thing together-- and though it may not be scientific -- everyone here is doing great and there doesn't seem to be any incident of cross contamination (so many of you have confirmed that with older babies it just doesn't seem to be so contagious). Just hoping our situation can give you some hope. I suspect that Mama Kitty has been FeVL+ for at least a year even though I didn't know it until recently. In a message dated 6/16/2006 3:45:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Ilene,I'm so glad you found us and I'm so glad you've taken this little lost soul in. Thank you, thank you! When you say you have another kitten in the house, do you actually mean kitten, or is he an older cat? Healthy, adult cats are not likely to catch felv, especially if they've had the vaccination for it. If you are keeping them in separate rooms, it is very unlikely that your other cat will "catch" it. Many, many of us on the list mix have and do mixed negative and positives. My negative cats lived together with my positives, they ate together, used the same litter boxes, groomed each other and played together. All my negatives are still negative. If your other cat hasn't been tested, I'd do so, (not all pos at or look sick), if he hasn't had his shots, I'd do that too.I assume you've taken him to the vet, how else would you suspect he has felv. It's good that your vet didn't try and talk you into having him put to sleep just because he has a cold, or because he tested felv positive. Unfortunately many vets still think this is the "best" thing to do. Your kitten, (what's his name?) may need the help of a mild antibiotic to help him get over his upper respiratory infection, (URI). Call your vet and ask for a prescription. They just saw him, so you probably won't have to take him in again, unless you think it's necessary. It's not surprising that he's feeling sick, the poor little guy has been through so much. I'm betting with a little time and care in your safe protection, he'll be feeling better very soon. Also at the very young age of 8 weeks the test could be a false-positive. He may be carrying antibodies from his mother that would show up on the test as pos, when he doesn't actually have the disease at all. He needs to be retested when he's older (at 3 months old) to see if it's still a positive result.Get him some L-Lysine at the health food store and at least a good "multi-vitamin" supplement for cats/kittens. There are many things you can do to help keep him asymptomatic. One of the most important things is helping him feel safe, (no stress!), feeding him quality foods and treating any signs of illness quickly. I'm sure others on the list will have suggestions for you.Give that little angel a smooch on the top of his head from me, I bet he's adorable,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i just found a felv kitten i was dump at my work he 8 week old i will be looking for a home for him as i have other kitten in the house but till i find a home i trying to learn as much as i can to help my little baby boy. he had uri when i got him and still has runny eyes that some time goo over any help you can give me will be greatly helpful ilene
Re: Hello, new to Felvtalk
Gina the pictures are so CUTE!!! Brought tears to my eyes.Good luck with little Pippin. SherryGina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi, I wanted to introduce myself and my kitten. Her name Pippin. She is about nine weeks old and had a faint positive result on her first FeLV test on Thursday. I've been frantically doing research about the disease and I came across the felineleukemia.org support group. I am looking for others to talk with :) Pippin and our other cats have a website if you would like to visit it: http://tiggerwiggins.com/tiggertales.html Thank you, Gina No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football 06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today!
Hello, new to Felvtalk
Hi, I wanted to introduce myself and my kitten. Her name Pippin. She is about nine weeks old and had a faint positive result on her first FeLV test on Thursday. I've been frantically doing research about the disease and I came across the felineleukemia.org support group. I am looking for others to talk with :) Pippin and our other cats have a website if you would like to visit it: http://tiggerwiggins.com/tiggertales.html Thank you, Gina No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
Re: Mama Kitty
ADORABLE!!! :) I'm so happy to hear she's doing great! "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George "The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:54 pm Subject: Mama Kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Still fairly new to the list here -- but reading faithfully and > going > through it all with you guys. > > In review - Mama Kitty was FeVL+ symptomatic six weeks ago - had > lost 14% of > her body weight, was very anemic, and did not have a good prognosis > before I > began a five week treatment with acemannon tummy shots and > supplements > including colostrum. (initial treatment included ammoxi and short- > acting > corticosteroid shot...) Since, she has gained weight - continues to > improve...plays > with her toys again and raced like a mad woman across the yard and > more than > six feet up a big oak tree recently :0) > > To be honest -- I don't know exactly where we stand now -- but this > morning > I asked Mama Kitty how she was feeling. You can see from the > picture she > says, "I'm feeling pretty good right now!" > _http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MVC-082F.JPG_ > (http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MVC-082F.JPG) > > Just praying for good days and hoping to spread a little hope :0) > head > butts and kittie kisses to you all. > > > > >
Mama Kitty
Still fairly new to the list here -- but reading faithfully and going through it all with you guys. In review - Mama Kitty was FeVL+ symptomatic six weeks ago - had lost 14% of her body weight, was very anemic, and did not have a good prognosis before I began a five week treatment with acemannon tummy shots and supplements including colostrum. (initial treatment included ammoxi and short-acting corticosteroid shot...) Since, she has gained weight - continues to improve...plays with her toys again and raced like a mad woman across the yard and more than six feet up a big oak tree recently :0) To be honest -- I don't know exactly where we stand now -- but this morning I asked Mama Kitty how she was feeling. You can see from the picture she says, "I'm feeling pretty good right now!" http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MVC-082F.JPG Just praying for good days and hoping to spread a little hope :0) head butts and kittie kisses to you all.
Phaewryn and Bones
Phaewryn, I was upset to see that you are looking for a home for Bones. You must be more overwhelmed than usual to even consider putting her up for adoption after all you've been through together. I went and checked out the pictures of all the precious babies that you are watching over until they find their forever homes. Damn, you've got a good looking crew of cats living with you. I may be prejudice, but little Bones is just so exceptional, she really stands out. She's just so precious! I'm sending out pleas to the universe that you are inundated with wonderful homes to help all your rescues on their journeys. I know it's sometimes easier to find homes for cats with a "story", but I really hope that Bones gets to stay with her Momma! What's going on with that colony of ferals you relocated to your house? Nina > She's doing awesome... she would LOVE a HOME with someone.. she's up for adoption. There's pictures on my adopt page, down in my sig. You couldn't find a better little cat, all the cattitude of a Siamese, but snugglier. And she has the cute raspy type of meow. >
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Oh, the canned food thing... I have a bad feeling that since the only place you knew to buy vitamin supplements was Walmart, you may actually be feeding that stuff they call "cat food" that you can buy in Walmart or the grocery store. That stuff is NOT any good at all. Friskies, Cat Chow, Alley Cat, etc, all TRASH; Pro Plan, Iams, Hill's, all only one step above TRASH. You should only buy pet food at a vet's office or a specialty pet supply store. Look for the "super premium" brands. A can of cat food should NEVER cost less than $0.75 for a 5.5 oz can (most good ones are near a dollar a can or more), or you aren't buying good quality. Friskies, Purina, Fancy Feast, those are all BAD foods. Read the ingredients labels, the first ingredient should always be some kind of MEAT (not meat by products, or bone meal, or anything except MEAT). Cat food should never contain any corn. Cat food should ideally not contain anything you can't pronounce, unless it's a vitamin or mineral (carrageenan, guar gum, BHA, BHT, etc, all not so great wet cat food ingredients). Sometimes you can't get around the guar gum, just look for ones with LESS of it). Make sure that any cat food you feed has TAURINE in it. Even the super premium brands, in wet food, they will be lower protein than dry foods. This is due to the amount of water used to make it. It's not any less quality of protein, it's just watered down. Cats fed all wet food diets will tend to drink less water on the side, cats that eat all dry food diets will drink more. It works out about the same in the end. Most people choose to feed both dry and wet, others choose all dry (usually due to convenience), others choose all wet (cats tend to prefer wet food, many owners claim it's more natural since raw dead animals are very wet by nature). Still other owners choose to feed all raw diets of REAL dead animals, the MOST natural diet for any carnivore, such as a cat. Lot's of us just don't have that much time, that's my excuse anyways. I feed free choice dry food in an auto-feeder and give wet food as a treat only upon occasion. But I work two jobs, and just don't have much time to do "what's best". It's all what WORKS for you, and what your cat does the best on. It's very trial&error. :) Here is the brands I feed, their website is very good, you can view each variety of cat food, and read all the ingredients, and nutritional info for each one. They even let you compare four kinds side by side: http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=foods-tab Their Innova EVO is the highest protein cat food they make (I personally feed the California Natural brand): http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&[EMAIL PROTECTED] Other good brands: Wellness: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6&brand%5Fid=913 Chicken Soup: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6&brand%5Fid=630 Felidae: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6&brand%5Fid=300 Wysong: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6&brand%5Fid=151 (there are others, just read labels) If you don't have a good vet store or pet supply store near you, this is a good online pet food store: http://petfooddirect.com/store/ (you can look up many brands and compare on this site, a wonderful resource) Just so you know, there are super premium cat food brands that aren't very good too, so you have to read labels. One to avoid is Flint River... it's all corn and by-products, yet very expensive. I hope that helps! Jenn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: Bandy and the ringworm
the humane society gave it to me when the kittens i was fostering got ringworm and 2 other vets recomended it. I thought the program is just for fleas. Michelle
From Kris - Questions
gwork wrote: Hey guys, I have some questions. 1) Where can I find a good vit./min. supplement that is not also high in calories? All I know of is that Hartz stuff at Wal-Mart, Target, etc. I add "Nu-Cat Liquid" made by Vetri-Science to the turkey mush recipe I just sent you off-list. Vetri-Science has a website if you want to check out their products: http://www.vetriscience.com/index.php but you can order it from pretty much any of the online pet supply companies. There is also something called Pet Tinic that is high in iron. I can't remember where I bought mine, I think from a local vet. 2) In regards to feeding only canned food for a sensitive digestive system, what is something good to feed? I've noticed that all the canned stuff is very low in protein - I thought cats needed a much higher protein (like in the dry foods), so is it healthy to feed only canned long-term? It is absolutely healthy to feed cats canned food long term. It's actually much better for them than dry food and helps them maintain their kittenish figures, (dry food junkies are notoriously overweight). Here's a cat nutrition website written by a vet that frequents the IBD list I was on: http://www.catinfo.org/ The folks on the IBD list are big believers in feeding a raw diet, (based on my experience with Gypsy, they have good reason), so the info is slanted that way, but she also has a list of quality canned foods and what to look for when reading labels. Cats with GI problems do better on wet food and usually better on "one protein", meaning, just chicken, or just turkey. Cat foods with only one type of protein in them are hard to find, but generally feeding the same type of food and not switching them to different foods works best, (at least not quickly). 3) What is your opinion about giving a rabies vacc. to a felv+ cat? Originally, they gave Spaz the vacc. and she was fine. Later, a different vet suggested not messing with the immune system, especially since she is indoors only. This makes sense to me, and I tend to agree with it, but wanted some other input. I do work with ferals where I work, but none has ever had rabies, I have never been bitten, and I always wash and disinfect my hands/arms before dealing with any of my own cats at home. I have to agree with your the vet that advised against giving unnecessary vaccines. There is a ton of information out there, studies and opinions about this on the web, just Goggle the words "animal vaccines necessary" and you'll come up with stuff to read on the subject. I don't remember the statistics on "pet" animals contracting/spreading rabies, but I know it's virtually non-existent in this country. It's more of a safe-guard for the humans because it's one of the few transmittable diseases, (and a darn nasty one at that), that humans can get. Washing your hands is always a good idea when you've been around homeless cats. There are diseases that you can bring home if you're not careful. 4) Do you guys know of any seminars, etc., where we so-called "uneducated" people can speak and talk about our experiences? Ask around at your vet's office, or local rescues. I think it's wonderful that you want to share your experiences and educate the public. Lord knows they need it! :) 5) Do you know of any felv research facilities? I don't know of any felv specific research facilities, but there are a lot of University and Veterinary Colleges that do research on everything feline. The studies I came across when I was doing research on the disease were mostly involving the effectiveness of preventatives and vaccine effectiveness. A lot of the grants and research come from huge pharmaceutical companies that have a vested interest in promoting vaccines. At one point I was given the name of a vet at UC Davis that might be interested in conducting studies on treatment. I can't remember it right now, but I posted it to the list so it should be in the archives. One of the discouraging things about this disease is that so very few academics seem to be interested in finding treatments or cures. It would be wonderful to get the veterinary community interested in that!
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Walmart is NOT the place to buy anything for your cat. Order through your vet, or use a good reputable online pet supply company. I really like http://drsfostersmith.com they deliver very quickly too. FosterSmith has MANY vitamin supplements, and if you click for "more info" it lists all of the calorie/contents of each one. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: Please pray for Bandy
I'd seriously consider a feeding tube, he may just need a bit to help him through this ringworm crisis. He sounds like he just isn't eating enough calories to have the energy to stand. I don't think sub-Q fluids will help much, it sounds like a calorie intake problem. Maybe they can set up an IV and feed him some calories that way (dextrose?)... Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: Question for Nina
Absolutely. I have to send it as an attachment, so I'll send it directly to you. Nina gwork wrote: Hi Nina, I was wondering if I could get your recipe for the "turkey mush" that you make for one of your cats? I would like to maybe try it not only for Spaz, but also for one of my others, Frosty, who has mild allergies. Thanks. Kris http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Oh Kerry, I am praying for Bandy and you. For you to say he's "the worst" you have seen him is really a frightful thought. You have held his paw through so much... He's fought so hard to stay with you, what an amazing kitty he is. I don't want to upset you more, but do you think he's ready to cross? Have you told him it's okay, that you will be sad, but if Lil Rascal, Buster, Snoopy and his other friends are calling to him you will understand? I know how much heartache you've been through, I know how hard you fight to keep all of your babies as healthy as they can be. There's no one more caring and dedicated than you are to your furry children. It's been such a long hard struggle and my heart goes out to you both. Maybe the Immuno-Regulin will bring the miracle we're all praying for. Did you know that you can order it online yourself? Here's the web page: http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=31-020 Sending you and sweet, sweet Bandy strength and love to see you through, With much love, Nina Kerry Roach wrote: Hi guys, I posted some of Bandy's troubles under the ringworm topic...He really is sick right now...the worst I have seen since all this started last June..I am hoping he will respond to some of the meds real soon..I don't know what to do for him.. He won't eat and drinks only a little...He can't get up at all...I stood him up but he is too weak to stand alone, cause of his leg hurting him.. I think he must have another infection somewhere or I really just don't know...but something is for sure not right..other than the leg problem... Anyway, please pray for him. Thank you, Kerry and Bandy Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
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EVO has a canned food now. I would not vaccinate a sick or compromised cat. That is my opinion only but it is based on what several vets have told me. We over vaccinate anyway. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: gwork To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: (no subject) Hey guys, I have some questions. 1) Where can I find a good vit./min. supplement that is not also high in calories? All I know of is that Hartz stuff at Wal-Mart, Target, etc. 2) In regards to feeding only canned food for a sensitive digestive system, what is something good to feed? I've noticed that all the canned stuff is very low in protein - I thought cats needed a much higher protein (like in the dry foods), so is it healthy to feed only canned long-term? 3) What is your opinion about giving a rabies vacc. to a felv+ cat? Originally, they gave Spaz the vacc. and she was fine. Later, a different vet suggested not messing with the immune system, especially since she is indoors only. This makes sense to me, and I tend to agree with it, but wanted some other input. I do work with ferals where I work, but none has ever had rabies, I have never been bitten, and I always wash and disinfect my hands/arms before dealing with any of my own cats at home. 4) Do you guys know of any seminars, etc., where we so-called "uneducated" people can speak and talk about our experiences? 5) Do you know of any felv research facilities? Thank you much, Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
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two more questions that I forgot
Hi again all, I also was wondering, with all the talk about lysine lately, if that is just regular lysine, the same as humans would consume, but without the propylene glycol? is that right? Also, there was a lot of talk about Interferon, and I got confused as to whether it is better to give regularly, regardless of symptoms, or start when the cat becomes symptomatic? Spaz has been on nothing during any of the time she has been asymptomatic, and that seems to be fine, but I want to keep her immune system up as much as possible so that she will stay healthy and live as long as possible. Thanks again! Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
Question for Nina
Hi Nina, I was wondering if I could get your recipe for the "turkey mush" that you make for one of your cats? I would like to maybe try it not only for Spaz, but also for one of my others, Frosty, who has mild allergies. Thanks. Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
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Hey guys, I have some questions. 1) Where can I find a good vit./min. supplement that is not also high in calories? All I know of is that Hartz stuff at Wal-Mart, Target, etc. 2) In regards to feeding only canned food for a sensitive digestive system, what is something good to feed? I've noticed that all the canned stuff is very low in protein - I thought cats needed a much higher protein (like in the dry foods), so is it healthy to feed only canned long-term? 3) What is your opinion about giving a rabies vacc. to a felv+ cat? Originally, they gave Spaz the vacc. and she was fine. Later, a different vet suggested not messing with the immune system, especially since she is indoors only. This makes sense to me, and I tend to agree with it, but wanted some other input. I do work with ferals where I work, but none has ever had rabies, I have never been bitten, and I always wash and disinfect my hands/arms before dealing with any of my own cats at home. 4) Do you guys know of any seminars, etc., where we so-called "uneducated" people can speak and talk about our experiences? 5) Do you know of any felv research facilities? Thank you much, Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Hi Kerry, I have used an animal communicator named Morgen Espe. She was wonderful. Her web site is www.theanimalsvoice.com. Yvonne In a message dated 6/17/2006 7:37:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just gave him a little chicken broth after I gave his liquid baytril..I added a little pedialyte, but he gets so stressed.. He did take it ok. He did drink some water earlier, but I don't think it is enough so I am going to try to get some sub-q fluids as soon as the vet opens...I have been up checking on him most of the night..I know he needs something else, but I don't know what..I think he needs a different antibiotic..along with the baytril..cause his temp is still up, too.. Marylyn, I think awhile back Nina sent me something about an Animal communicator, but I don't remember who it was or how to get in touch with them...I have never used one, but have read about them and some of the posts here at the list...Please send me the info if you can... Thank you, Kerry and Bandy
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Prayers are on the way for you & your precious little guy. Yvonne In a message dated 6/17/2006 4:29:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys, I posted some of Bandy's troubles under the ringworm topic...He really is sick right now...the worst I have seen since all this started last June..I am hoping he will respond to some of the meds real soon..I don't know what to do for him.. He won't eat and drinks only a little...He can't get up at all...I stood him up but he is too weak to stand alone, cause of his leg hurting him.. I think he must have another infection somewhere or I really just don't know...but something is for sure not right..other than the leg problem... Anyway, please pray for him. Thank you, Kerry and Bandy
Re: Please pray for Bandy
I just gave him a little chicken broth after I gave his liquid baytril..I added a little pedialyte, but he gets so stressed.. He did take it ok. He did drink some water earlier, but I don't think it is enough so I am going to try to get some sub-q fluids as soon as the vet opens...I have been up checking on him most of the night..I know he needs something else, but I don't know what..I think he needs a different antibiotic..along with the baytril..cause his temp is still up, too.. Marylyn, I think awhile back Nina sent me something about an Animal communicator, but I don't remember who it was or how to get in touch with them...I have never used one, but have read about them and some of the posts here at the list...Please send me the info if you can... Thank you, Kerry and Bandy Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Kerry of course I will send prayers for you and Bandy,I hope he can fight whatever is wrong.Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi guys, I posted some of Bandy's troubles under the ringworm topic...He really is sick right now...the worst I have seen since all this started last June..I am hoping he will respond to some of the meds real soon..I don't know what to do for him.. He won't eat and drinks only a little...He can't get up at all...I stood him up but he is too weak to stand alone, cause of his leg hurting him.. I think he must have another infection somewhere or I really just don't know...but something is for sure not right..other than the leg problem... Anyway, please pray for him. Thank you, Kerry and Bandy Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Kerry, Have you tried checking in with an animal communicator? Sometimes it helps at times like this. Know you and Bandy are in my prayers as are all the little friends. Bless both of you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kerry Roach To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:28 AM Subject: Please pray for Bandy Hi guys, I posted some of Bandy's troubles under the ringworm topic...He really is sick right now...the worst I have seen since all this started last June..I am hoping he will respond to some of the meds real soon..I don't know what to do for him.. He won't eat and drinks only a little...He can't get up at all...I stood him up but he is too weak to stand alone, cause of his leg hurting him.. I think he must have another infection somewhere or I really just don't know...but something is for sure not right..other than the leg problem... Anyway, please pray for him. Thank you, Kerry and Bandy Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
immuno-regulin dosage
I was trying to find some more info on the IR..and found the posts by Cindy about giving it sub-q..I need to know how much IV and sub-q..and how often we should stay with it...I guess we really need a starting point to see if it won't help Bandy.. I will keep trying to catch up on the past posts, but if you could post it again, it would really help since it is needed quickly...Also, what about him being on steroids? I read that it isn't good or they have to be off them for a week... Thanks so much, Kerry and Bandy Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus theres much more to come.
Please pray for Bandy
Hi guys, I posted some of Bandy's troubles under the ringworm topic...He really is sick right now...the worst I have seen since all this started last June..I am hoping he will respond to some of the meds real soon..I don't know what to do for him.. He won't eat and drinks only a little...He can't get up at all...I stood him up but he is too weak to stand alone, cause of his leg hurting him.. I think he must have another infection somewhere or I really just don't know...but something is for sure not right..other than the leg problem... Anyway, please pray for him. Thank you, Kerry and Bandy Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: Bandy and the ringworm
Thanks everyone for all the advice...Now I just need to figure out what to try...Belinda, I checked out those links. I may order from the petsbestrx...It sounded good, but I wish I knew someone that had tried it.. Right now Bandy is very sick..I took him to the vet on Thurs since he can't even stand up...She took an xray of both front and rear since they are both giving him a problem..He also had almost 105 temp..I think he has an infection somewhere..He won't eat or drink...I did get him to eat some baby food beef, maybe couple of teaspoons..and he will drink alittle water, but not much..they gave him some sub-q fluids. I think I am going to take him in again today. She gave him an adequan shot, dex shot and polyflex..I upped his baytril to the full dose, but I think he needs something else.. Michelle, I told her about the immuno-regulin and she is going to order it next week...I need to know all I can about it...and she asked me to find out from you guys, what dosages you used and anything else we might need to know.. I have read what it says here at the home page... .5cc IV twice weekly and then .5cc IV weekly until symptoms subside...Is that a good start or what did you use? Please let me know and I will let her know on Monday...I hope we haven't waited too long..I am really scared for him right now.. Thank you all again, Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
