date:20060715




Hi all! Guess I overdid my computer time yesterday cause my one 
(still good) eye gave out. What a bummer! Well, that's life right 
now for me.
I just found out where I was right before the accident. 
ON A RECUE!!! 
Thank heavens there were no kitties with me. Still not sure exactly 
what I was doing,but I did find out that apparently I had not slept the night 
before, guess I fell asleep. My heavens, I don't want to know anything 
else. I did find out that there were no other vehicles (except a parked 
bus I rammed into) or people involved! What a relief... I was the only 
person involved.
My Mom just called. She was on her way to visit  got lost. 
I am so upset. I could not remember the directions to my house. And 
she was only a few miles away! I HATE THIS MEMORY THINGY...or lack 
of.
Thanks again for all the kind words and putting up with my venting...
Love to you all,
Patti

Re: Management of Renal Failure??

 My Fred, 15 years old currently has early CRF and was recently 
treated with I131 for hyperthyroid.  He also had an infection which we 
treated with Orbax, he will have a dental in a week or so and blood work 
to check where his thyroid is in a month and a half.  Currently he isn't 
getting any fluids or special diets until we see where his next blood 
work and urinalysis stands.  he is slowly gaining back some of the 
weight he's lost from the hyper-t.  And I found a food he seems to 
really like.


I just wanted to let you know that many on the group have kitties that 
were diagnosed in pretty bad shape and with agressive fluid therapy and 
food changes, sometimes phorperous binders and other supplements they 
are doing great.  Some that were in pretty bad shape are still going 
strong 2, 3 and even more years later.  You also need a good vet who 
knows what they are doing.


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Re: groundhog

2006-07-15 Thread Kerry Roach

Michelle,  Sorry to hear about the little guy...I would have done the same thing. I think you did the right thing and he wasn't alone. Kerry and Bandy 
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Re: Please say a prayer for Lucy





Thanks, Kerry. Actually, her stools seem pretty normal now, just a bit soft 
but that could be because I gave her a lot of rice bran yesterday mixed in with 
her baby food. She is back on 10 mg/day of pred. I am not really worried 
about keeping her on that for a while. It's more that I am worried as to why she 
needs it. It could just be IBD, or it could be lymphoma, and the latter requires 
leukeran as well as pred, I think. This morning she ate a little raw food 
and a handful of cooked duck, then 1.5 jars of turkey baby food with supplements 
and bran mixed in. She is on a baby food kick and acts like she is not that 
hungry until I give her the baby food and then she gobbles it voraciously. 
Unfortunately it gives her gas, which then makes her uncomfortable and sort of 
lethargic for a few hours afterwards. It has already put a little weight 
back on her, though, and I at least know she is eating enough, and she is not 
getting diarrhea, so I guess I will keep giving it to her if that is what she 
wants to eat, unless or until she will eat enough or something else. I have an 
internist aptmt scheduled for Monday. If she is relatively ok I may try to 
switch it back to Wed for work-related reasons. 

Benebac seems to give Lucy diarrhea. I think it may be cultured in lactose, 
and she seems to be lactose-intolerant. She does better with kyadophilus, which 
I was using in Nina's turkey mush recipe for the past couple of weeks until Lucy 
stopped eating it a few days ago. Maybe I will put some in her baby food 
tonight, or whatever she eats.

Thanks again,
Michelle

In a message dated 7/15/2006 5:36:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hi Michelle,
  I hope Lucy is feeling better today..I sure don't know what to do cause 
  what works for Inky doesn't seem to work for Lucy. Have you tried adding 
  bene-bac? I gave Inky some when he had loose stool and Bandy, 
too..
  The bran isn't working either I take it...
  I know my lymphoma kitty was on 20mg of pred for 9 months or so..actually 
  the rest of her life..I had another kitty on that much pred for 3 yrs...she 
  had a tumor on the back side of her tongue and the pred would keep the 
  inflammation down so she could eat...She had all the side effects that people 
  get on high dose steroids, but that was the only way to keep her comfortable 
  and she was until the last few days..
  Have you checked her for hyperT? I know some of Inky's troubles was 
  that along with the IBD. Inky is so skinny, but eats ok and only has 1 
  stool per day..I gave him astragalus, too. I think that might have been 
  for the hyperT though..I am trying to rack my brain as what you could 
  try...
  Anyway, you 2 are in our thoughts and prayers.
  Kerry and Bandy

Re: groundhog

2006-07-15 Thread wendy

Michelle,

I have never heard of anyone trying to save a
groundhog!  What an animal lover you are!  And how
sweet of you to do that.  I wouldn't have known what
to do.  I am sorry that you and the groundhog had to
go through that.  I know it must have been hard.  But
maybe the groundhog knew you were trying to help. 
Don't beat yourself up; you were trying to do what was
right.  Prayers going out for all of your concerns
today.

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is not about a cat, but with Gray gone I feel I
 want to tell people  who 
 will understand, and ask you to pray if there is a
 reason to pray when  
 someone is gone. Today while I was driving on a
 highway the car in the front of  me 
 hit a groundhog. It happened a few feet in front of
 me. The groundhog's back  
 end was hurt, but he or she dragged herself off the
 road and into the woods,  
 down a ravine, and was trying to get around. I went
 into the woods after her, 
  and she collapsed. I picked the groundhog up with a
 towel and put her in my 
 car,  and proceeded to make about 20 phone calls to
 vets and wildlife 
 rehabilitators.  No vets would help, all the
 rehabbers had answering machines saying 
 they were  full, and after about a half hour the
 groundhog died in my car.  I 
 brought  him/her back to woods near where he or she
 lived, and put her under a 
 tree  there. It was so awful. I feel so sad, and I
 feel bad that if the 
 groundhog was  going to die, it had to be in my car
 rather than in the woods where 
 it felt  safe.  So if  you pray for those who have
 died, please add this  
 groundhog to your prayers. And for the living, my
 friend Stephanie's dog Gunnar,  a 
 12 year old shephard who had a really really hard
 life before she adopted him 
  2 years ago, who is having very sudden and serious
 neurological problems 
 that  have been diagnosed as encephalitis, and he is
 not responding to 
 medications  thus far. And of course Lucy, who goes
 up and down like a yo yo, and is not 
  feeling so good right now.
 Thanks,
 Michelle
 


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Re: Lucy update - baby food and calcium ratio





I've heard of people giving Bean-o to dogs, is that okay for cats too?
If it's okay, maybe you could add just the tiniest squirt to her baby
food. The vet on the IBD list was kind enough to send me the recipe
for adding calcium and B vita to baby food to make it more complete
when I was assist feeding Gypsy. Here's a paste from her email to me:

 Your other option would be to syringe feed her plain meat baby
food...but add 
some calcium and B-complex vitamins.

I finally got a chance to do some calculations for adding calcium
carbonate 
to baby food. A 2.5 ounce jar needs about 50 mg of calcium added. The
NOW 
brand of calcium carbonate has 1,200 mg per tsp...which makes it very
difficult 
to calculate properly. However, you could combine 6 jars of food and
then that 
would require 300 mg which would be 1/4 tsp of the NOW CC. Other
brands have 
different amounts of elemental calcium in each tsp so you need to pay 
attention to that. Here are some links to the NOW brand of CC. 

http://www.nowcatalog.com/1245.html

http://www.iherb.com/calcarbo.html

You also need to add some B-Complex. Use 10-20 mg per 6 jars of baby
food. 
They come in 50mg capsules so use just a portion of the capsule. If
syringe 
feeding, go with 10 mg - or less - because you do not want to create a
food 
aversion. Taste it yourself to test it. B vitamins are strong
tasting. If 
using a feeding tube, I would go with the 20 mg/6 jars of baby food.

I would also add in enough taurine to provide 60 mg/day. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Thanks. My mom did research on the net and told me cats can get
liquid di-gel for gas. Is that the same thing? My mom also read an
article saying corn causes gas, and there is corn starch in the baby
food, so maybe that is it. I am trying to find somewhere that sells
Beechnut, which is just turkey and water, though in the past she would
not eat that anyway.
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 7/15/2006 3:01:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Ask your vet about giving her simethecon for gas. There are
baby drop versions of Gas X that can be used. I used them with Kitty
Katt when she permitted and it helped. Pepsid also helped with
discomfort.

Re: Management of Renal Failure??





Belinda,
Thank you so much for this encouraging report. Please give Fred a 
kitty kiss from me...I hope he continues to improve.


In a message dated 7/15/2006 8:37:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
My Fred, 15 years old currently has early CRF and was recently 
  treated with I131 for hyperthyroid. He also had an infection which 
  we treated with Orbax, he will have a dental in a week or so and blood 
  work to check where his thyroid is in a month and a half. Currently 
  he isn't getting any fluids or special diets until we see where his next 
  blood work and urinalysis stands. he is slowly gaining back some of 
  the weight he's lost from the hyper-t. And I found a food he seems 
  to really like.I just wanted to let you know that many on the 
  group have kitties that were diagnosed in pretty bad shape and with 
  agressive fluid therapy and food changes, sometimes phorperous binders and 
  other supplements they are doing great. Some that were in pretty bad 
  shape are still going strong 2, 3 and even more years later. You 
  also need a good vet who knows what they are doing.-- 
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Re: groundhog





Oh Michelle,
What a terrible thing to have happen! Don't second guess yourself
about whether you did the right thing, (the vet's are the ones that
should be ashamed of themselves). I know you sometimes consider me
wacky, (heck, I sometimes consider myself wacky), but I don't believe
in "accidents" and I think you were there to help that poor groundhog
transition. Love and consideration are felt, even through pain and
fear, you WERE a help to him, be sure of that. I also think you are
dealing with the difficult lesson of accepting death as part of life,
(as we all are). That groundhog gave you the gift of sharing his
transition with you to force you to once again face that death is
inevitable, and that no matter how we cross, it's the way we live our
lives that matter. I think part of that experience, (so dreadful!),
was to help you once again face the fact that we all die and to cherish
the moments we spend with our loved ones without dwelling on the
when/why of our passing. I know it's easier said than done, but you
make yourself sick with worry with what is and isn't in your power to
control. Please try to make a conscious effort to let go of the
anxiety and strife that is created by that struggle. We can't change
the world, we can only change the way we view it.
Blessings and love to you,
Nina


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  This is not about a cat, but with Gray gone I feel I want to
tell people who will understand, and ask you to pray if there is a
reason to pray when someone is gone. Today while I was driving on a
highway the car in the front of me hit a groundhog. It happened a few
feet in front of me. The groundhog's back end was hurt, but he or she
dragged herself off the road and into the woods, down a ravine, and was
trying to get around. I went into the woods after her, and she
collapsed. I picked the groundhog up with a towel and put her in my
car, and proceeded to make about 20 phone calls to vets and wildlife
rehabilitators. No vets would help, all the rehabbers had answering
machines saying they were full, and after about a half hour the
groundhog died in my car. I brought him/her back to woods near where
he or she lived, and put her under a tree there. It was so awful. I
feel so sad, and I feel bad that if the groundhog was going to die, it
had to be in my car rather than in the woods where it felt safe. So
if you pray for those who have died, please add this groundhog to your
prayers. And for the living, my friend Stephanie's dog Gunnar, a 12
year old shephard who had a really really hard life before she adopted
him 2 years ago, who is having very sudden and serious neurological
problems that have been diagnosed as encephalitis, and he is not
responding to medications thus far. And of course Lucy, who goes up and
down like a yo yo, and is not feeling so good right now.
  Thanks,
  Michelle

Re: groundhog

I should have worded that last sentence, we can't *always* change the 
world, we can always choose to change the way we view it.  I do believe 
we can change the world.  People like those on this list allow me to 
believe that.

Nina

Nina wrote:


Oh Michelle,
What a terrible thing to have happen!  Don't second guess yourself 
about whether you did the right thing, (the vet's are the ones that 
should be ashamed of themselves).  I know you sometimes consider me 
wacky, (heck, I sometimes consider myself wacky), but I don't believe 
in accidents and I think you were there to help that poor groundhog 
transition.  Love and consideration are felt, even through pain and 
fear, you WERE a help to him, be sure of that.  I also think you are 
dealing with the difficult lesson of accepting death as part of life, 
(as we all are).  That groundhog gave you the gift of sharing his 
transition with you to force you to once again face that death is 
inevitable, and that no matter how we cross, it's the way we live our 
lives that matter.  I think part of that experience, (so dreadful!), 
was to help you once again face the fact that we all die and to 
cherish the moments we spend with our loved ones without dwelling on 
the when/why of our passing.  I know it's easier said than done, but 
you make yourself sick with worry with what is and isn't in your power 
to control.  Please try to make a conscious effort to let go of the 
anxiety and strife that is created by that struggle.  We can't change 
the world, we can only change the way we view it.

Blessings and love to you,
Nina

Re: Management of Renal Failure?? -- Morris Update




I have an update on Morris this morning.

First -- I had some of my 'facts' incorrect. Morris is 18 years 
old! He tested FeVL+ at one time but in 2003 he tested negative. 
Perhaps he managed to throw off the virus?? He was a feral initially but 
my friend has worked wonders with him. She runs her own business and is a 
one-woman operation so she really does not have time to join the group.

This morning, he was like a new kitty! Apparently the antibiotics and 
fluidsare making a big difference. The tests show he doesn't have 
thyroid issues -- it's a bit low but that could be tied to the infection. 
The main tests for the kidneys hasn't come back but he will need sub-q fluids 
regardless of the results so they taught my friend to do that this 
morning. Two nurses were going to hold Morris while she did this - but my 
friend wouldn't have it. She told them to stand aside. She told 
Morris to stand still and he immediately stopped moving. She put the 
needle in and he said 'hu'...she told him to lay down and he did so 
immediately. 

Everyone at the vet's office was amazed. He was a perfect angel and I 
think the fact that he has complete trust in her and also the fact that he has 
lived this long speaks volumes about the care she has given him. They've told 
her to give him the fluids twice a day for nowif possible - and at least 
once a day if he won't let her do two.

My friend said that yesterday she thought her boy was going to be leaving 
this world. The improvement in 24 hours is just amazing. He's eating 
well..walking around and not sleeping every few minutes...purring and rubbing 
his cheeks on things. He is very alert but gets tired easily. Hoping 
very much that the test from his kidneys will hold promise.

Thank you all so much for the advice and encouragement.
elizabeth

Re: groundhog





This had to have been heart-wrenching, Michelle. Thank you for caring 
about this precious creature. It really does make a difference.

Prayers going up for the groundhog, Gunnar, Lucy and you.

elizabeth

In a message dated 7/14/2006 9:56:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  This is not about a cat, but with Gray gone I feel I want to tell people 
  who will understand, and ask you to pray if there is a reason to pray when 
  someone is gone. Today while I was driving on a highway the car in the front 
  of me hit a groundhog. It happened a few feet in front of me. The groundhog's 
  back end was hurt, but he or she dragged herself off the road and into the 
  woods, down a ravine, and was trying to get around. I went into the woods 
  after her, and she collapsed. I picked the groundhog up with a towel and put 
  her in my car, and proceeded to make about 20 phone calls to vets and wildlife 
  rehabilitators. No vets would help, all the rehabbers had answering machines 
  saying they were full, and after about a half hour the groundhog died in my 
  car. I brought him/her back to woods near where he or she lived, and put 
  her under a tree there. It was so awful. I feel so sad, and I feel bad that if 
  the groundhog was going to die, it had to be in my car rather than in the 
  woods where it felt safe. So if you pray for those who have died, 
  please add this groundhog to your prayers. And for the living, my friend 
  Stephanie's dog Gunnar, a 12 year old shephard who had a really really hard 
  life before she adopted him 2 years ago, who is having very sudden and serious 
  neurological problems that have been diagnosed as encephalitis, and he is not 
  responding to medications thus far. And of course Lucy, who goes up and down 
  like a yo yo, and is not feeling so good right now.
  Thanks,
  Michelle

Re: groundhog




Thanks, Nina.

ot: Pauline




I have this big sign out front (not visible to humans)...that says 'sucker' 
over my front door. This must be true, otherwise, every feral cat and 
creature in the neighborhood wouldn't stop by Liz's Kitty Boutique and Day Spa 
(my official name for my front porch).

Year before last, I noticed this possum on my porch railing. I named 
her Pauline. She would climb up the rose bush and hang out at night. 
She was so tame and so friendly. I was worried about her - I checked all 
her little feet and her fur to see if she was hurt because I just didn't think 
it was natural for a possum to be so unafraid. 

I did some research online and found the National Opossum Society and gave 
them a call. One of their experts called me and talked to me for about 45 
minutes. I sent pictures so she could see if there was anything to be 
concerned about. She told me that Pauline had just come to trust me and 
that she felt safe there. She told me to feed her bananas because they 
just don't get enough potassium in their dietalso to feed her cheese so she 
would get enough calcium. She told me not to be surprised if Pauline had 
babies nearby.

Pauline won't eat out of my hand but she comes very close. She will 
sniff the food in my hand and if I set it in front of her, she will eat 
it. She loves bananas and cheese...loves any kind of fruit.

In time, Pauline came to trust me so much that she would let me pet 
her! I don't recommend this with just any possumas they have 50 very 
sharp teeth and their bite is every bit as dangerous as a feral cat's. 
When friends, neighbors, or family would come to visit - they would just friek 
when I pointed out my "pet possum", Pauline. They just wouldn't notice her 
there at first and couldn't believe how friendly she was.

Last year, Pauline had two babies -- Pierre and Pinkerton. They are 
very trusting too and they like to hang out on the porch and love it when I give 
them treats.

Mama Kitty stays on the porch a lot - she doesn't mind in the slightest if 
they help themselves to her food. One night last winter, I opened the door 
an startled one of the younger possums. He jumped right in the cat bed 
with Mama Kitty LOL Neither one of them seemed to mind the other.

I know a lot of you are suckers for all creatures great and small too and 
thought you might get a kick out of my little story :-)

Hope everyone has a good weekend. Wishing health and a good day to 
all the kitties too.

elizabeth

Re: Lucy update - baby food and calcium ratio





Yeah, I had heard on a radio program on cat's health and nutrition that
taurine is so very important. The speaker even said that she thought
it was a great immune booster. If Lucy is eating the baby food with
the FF added in, that's great! Gypsy wouldn't touch the raw food with
that and I had to add sups separately. I would definitely add the
taureen though.
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Thanks, Nina, as always! I actually am just mixing in her raw
food supplement from Feline Futures, which is meant to be added to
boneless raw meat and so has the necessary calcium. It also has B
vitamins added. I am also adding some of the Nu-cat vitamins which I
got based on your turkey mush recipe. I will look at the porportions
recommended in the email, though-- I had not thought about it, but they
probably are different, at least the B vitamins, when the meat is
cooked like in baby food. Also, I probably should add taurine, come to
think of it, since that is not in the raw food supplement because it
doesn't need to be.
  Thanks,
  Michelle

Re: groundhog





Did you mean to say, Thanks Nina, you goof ball?  :-) 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Thanks, Nina.

Re: ot: Pauline





Thanks Elizabeth, I needed that.
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I have this big sign out front (not visible to humans)...that
says 'sucker' over my front door. This must be true, otherwise, every
feral cat and creature in the neighborhood wouldn't stop by Liz's Kitty
Boutique and Day Spa (my official name for my front porch).

Re: groundhog





 Michelle,
 Never doubt that animals know our thoughts and intentions, that
groundhog knew you were trying to help her and appreciated it. Yes
dying in the woods would have been a natural event for her but you
showed her a side to humans she would otherwise not have known, that
many do care about other living creatures. What you did was a
compassionate, loving act for another living creature and that kind of
gesture is always appreciated. And you did take her body back to her
home in the end so you did all you could possibly do.

The vet thing also disturbs me, what are these doctors thinking?? The
rehabbers are always hard to get a hold of, I remember one time I heard
a coyote in the woods behind the houses across the road from me, It was
crying and I just knew it was trapped. I called all the rehabbers and
animal control, animal control would do nothing and the rehabbers all
had answering machines on. None of them ever got back to me.
I never did find it and the crying stopped so I don't know what
happened to it.
-- 

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Re: Please say a prayer for Lucy


   Michelle,
  Maybe try mixing the baby food with her regular food and slowly phase 
it out so she is eating only her regular food.  I'm currently phasing 
out the Fancy Feast and getting my guys on a better food.  Then we work 
on phasing out the dry   :)  Cody is getting bigger and bigger.


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Re: Management of Renal Failure?? -- Morris Update

Make sure they pay attention to his HCT, many CRF cats are anemic 
and many are on epogen.


Fred was anemic but once we got his thyroid regulated he went back to 
being normal, his CRF got a bit worse but still not too bad.  Once he 
gets his dental, and his thyroid is completely stabilized (it takes 
about 3 months after treatment so we have a month and a half to go), I'm 
hoping that will get better too, although one kidney is a little smaller 
than it should be so it will probably not go back to being normal.  
Apparently Fred's anemia was due to his hyperthyroid, not the CRF.


Your friend has really done wonders with Morris and he sounds like a 
real sweetheart.


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Sam is gone

2006-07-15 Thread Helene Hand





Sam left me at 1:54 
PM today.He was weak and nauseated.The vet came to the house and put 
him to sleep in a kind and gentle manner...After he left, I snuggled Sam in 
his favorite towel and summer blanket oon the sofa. Delilah , his mother, 
finally came out of hiding- I lifted her to the sofs and showed Sammy to 
her. She licked his face, and his ears, then bounded awayI talked 
to her and I feel sure she understands!

Belinda, would you 
please post Sam for me for the memorial? My heart is so empty, but 
peaceful for him...Helene

Good night, Sweet 
Prince,
And flights of 
angels
Sing thee to thy 
rest..

Hamlet; William 
Shakespeare

Joey's Sweet Little Sis

2006-07-15 Thread Sheila Coyle




Please post to the CLS prayer list 
Joey's Little Sis whom I had the vet help her cross over last evening Friday, 
July 14. Thank you for the few extra prayers for her 
passage.

Sheila
Nebraska
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Re: ot: Pauline


   That's a great story about the possum, I think they are adorable!!

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Re: Sam is gone





Helene, I am so sorry. 
elizabeth

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Sam left me at 
  1:54 PM today.He was weak and nauseated.The vet came to the house 
  and put him to sleep in a kind and gentle manner...After he left, I 
  snuggled Sam in his favorite towel and summer blanket oon the sofa. 
  Delilah , his mother, finally came out of hiding- I lifted her to the 
  sofs and showed Sammy to her. She licked his face, and his ears, then 
  bounded awayI talked to her and I feel sure she 
  understands!
  
  Belinda, would you 
  please post Sam for me for the memorial? My heart is so empty, but 

  peaceful for him...Helene
  
  Good night, Sweet 
  Prince,
  And flights of 
  angels
  Sing thee to thy 
  rest..
  
  Hamlet; William 
  Shakespeare

Re: Lucy update

2006-07-15 Thread Marylyn




It sounds like the same stuff. It really helped Kitty Katt. She 
left this world on April 22 and I don't have a bottle to check names. 







 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:00 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Lucy update
  
  
  Thanks. My mom did research on the net and told me cats can get liquid 
  di-gel for gas. Is that the same thing? My mom also read an article saying 
  corn causes gas, and there is corn starch in the baby food, so maybe that is 
  it. I am trying to find somewhere that sells Beechnut, which is just 
  turkey and water, though in the past she would not eat that anyway.
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 7/15/2006 3:01:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Ask 
your vet about giving her simethecon for gas. There are baby drop 
versions of Gas X that can be used. I used them with Kitty Katt 
when she permitted and it helped. Pepsid also helped with 
discomfort.
  
  
  
  

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Re: Sam is gone





I'm so sorry Helene. That's so touching about Delilah saying goodbye.
My tears and sympathy are with you and yours,
Nina

Helene Hand wrote:

  
  
  
  Sam
left me at 1:54 PM today.He was weak and nauseated.The vet came to
the house and put him to sleep in a kind and gentle manner...After
he left, I snuggled Sam in his favorite towel and summer blanket oon
the sofa. Delilah , his mother, finally came out of hiding- I lifted
her to the sofs and showed Sammy to her. She licked his face, and his
ears, then bounded awayI talked to her and I feel sure she
understands!
  
  Belinda,
would you please post Sam for me for the memorial? My heart is so
empty, but peaceful for him...Helene
  
  Good night, Sweet Prince,
  And flights of angels
  Sing thee to thy rest..
  
  Hamlet; William Shakespeare

Re: Management of Renal Failure?? -- Morris Update




Elizabeth-
Oh, how wonderful!(And thanks so much for he update)Your friend 
sounds like a really special person! Sam must be in wonderful care. Very 
encouraging news!
Also, for him to "listen", wow wouldn't it be great if all our kitties did 
that?
And, 18, that's an awesome age. My Puma is about 17, but my Al was 
21. It's amazing how some of these guys 'mature", huh?
My prayers are still w/ Morris and I am hoping his bloodwork comes back 
ok.
Love,
Patti

Re: Sam is gone

2006-07-15 Thread Marylyn




Sam totally adored you and still does. 
Delilah's actions show that she knows what happened and is both relieved and 
sad. She will need extra attention for a while. You did so 
good. Sam sends his warmest thanks. 






 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helene 
  Hand 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:05 
  PM
  Subject: Sam is gone
  
  
  Sam left me at 
  1:54 PM today.He was weak and nauseated.The vet came to the house 
  and put him to sleep in a kind and gentle manner...After he left, I 
  snuggled Sam in his favorite towel and summer blanket oon the sofa. 
  Delilah , his mother, finally came out of hiding- I lifted her to the 
  sofs and showed Sammy to her. She licked his face, and his ears, then 
  bounded awayI talked to her and I feel sure she 
  understands!
  
  Belinda, would you 
  please post Sam for me for the memorial? My heart is so empty, but 
  peaceful for him...Helene
  
  Good night, Sweet 
  Prince,
  And flights of 
  angels
  Sing thee to thy 
  rest..
  
  Hamlet; William 
  Shakespeare
  
  

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Re: groundhog




Michelle,
What a wonderful thing you did for that poor little creature! And, I 
totally agree, the vets should be ashamed of themselves...I mean, don't they 
take the same oath as people Dr.s to "save all"?
Out here in the country, we are loaded with rednecks  hooligans that 
will purposely run over, sometimes even veering OFF the road, whatever living 
creature is in their path. One time I got a license number of some guy who 
purposely hit an animal, and when I called the police here, they wouldn't do a 
damn thing!
I was just telling Nina today about the baby (wild) rabbit I took in before 
my accident. After talking more to Dennis this PM, I found out that it's 
mother was dead and so I took it in  nursed it...
Of course, it grew and was MUCH better while I was hospitalized so Dennis 
released it. Now, every time I see a bunny in my yard I wonder "Is that MY 
baby?" I am so glad I did intervene though. And, the rehabs would not 
touch a small baby
Prayers for the groundhog, Lucy  Gunnar.
Hugs,
Patti

Re: Joey's Sweet Little Sis





I'm so sorry for your loss.
elizabeth

In a message dated 7/15/2006 12:16:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Please post to the CLS prayer list 
  Joey's Little Sis whom I had the vet help her cross over last evening Friday, 
  July 14. Thank you for the few extra prayers for her 
  passage.
  
  Sheila
  Nebraska
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Pauline





I know it's odd -- but I've never had any creature use Liz's Kitty Boutique 
and Day Spa as a powder room. I haven't taken any precaution -- but I do 
keep some dry food out there and a few kitty beds (because some get more sun 
than others...some have more protection from rain). I have a gazillion 
porch plants out there too but everyone who visits has been very neat and 
respectable not only on the porch but in the yard around it too.

I don't have any experience with the raccoonsbut at least they 
dowash their hands ;-)

elizabeth

In a message dated 7/15/2006 2:59:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  A rather basic question I hope you don't 
  mind: How do you keep them from using the porch as a restroom? I 
  am moving to a farm with a large porch and expect to have a number of four 
  legged callers. I don't mind that part--just cleaning up the mess. 
  I had raccoons turn an out building into an outhouse once and it was totally 
  awful. Anyway, I would appreciate any information/advise on the 
  subject.
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
  creatures 
  from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   
  will deal likewise with their fellow 
  man. 
  St. Francis
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:40 
PM
Subject: ot: Pauline

I have this big sign out front (not visible to humans)...that says 
'sucker' over my front door. This must be true, otherwise, every feral 
cat and creature in the neighborhood wouldn't stop by Liz's Kitty Boutique 
and Day Spa (my official name for my front porch).

Year before last, I noticed this possum on my porch railing. I 
named her Pauline. She would climb up the rose bush and hang out at 
night. She was so tame and so friendly. I was worried about her 
- I checked all her little feet and her fur to see if she was hurt because I 
just didn't think it was natural for a possum to be so unafraid. 


I did some research online and found the National Opossum Society and 
gave them a call. One of their experts called me and talked to me for 
about 45 minutes. I sent pictures so she could see if there was 
anything to be concerned about. She told me that Pauline had just come 
to trust me and that she felt safe there. She told me to feed her 
bananas because they just don't get enough potassium in their dietalso 
to feed her cheese so she would get enough calcium. She told me not to 
be surprised if Pauline had babies nearby.

Pauline won't eat out of my hand but she comes very close. She 
will sniff the food in my hand and if I set it in front of her, she will eat 
it. She loves bananas and cheese...loves any kind of fruit.

In time, Pauline came to trust me so much that she would let me pet 
her! I don't recommend this with just any possumas they have 50 
very sharp teeth and their bite is every bit as dangerous as a feral 
cat's. When friends, neighbors, or family would come to visit - they 
would just friek when I pointed out my "pet possum", Pauline. They 
just wouldn't notice her there at first and couldn't believe how friendly 
she was.

Last year, Pauline had two babies -- Pierre and Pinkerton. They 
are very trusting too and they like to hang out on the porch and love it 
when I give them treats.

Mama Kitty stays on the porch a lot - she doesn't mind in the slightest 
if they help themselves to her food. One night last winter, I opened 
the door an startled one of the younger possums. He jumped right in 
the cat bed with Mama Kitty LOL Neither one of them seemed to mind the 
other.

I know a lot of you are suckers for all creatures great and small too 
and thought you might get a kick out of my little story :-)

Hope everyone has a good weekend. Wishing health and a good day 
to all the kitties too.

elizabeth



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Re: ot: Pauline




Elizabeth,
Forgot to mention, I think ALL of us on his list have the same "SUCKER" 
sign.
Patti

Re: Please say a prayer for Lucy





Lucy has always been really fussy about food, and will not eat anything 
mixed with anything else, even if she would eat both separate. And she doesn't 
eat wet or dry food (she never liked wet and dry makes her sick now). The only 
thing she can eat is her raw diet or cooked turkey or duck. I have tried mixing 
the baby food with the raw and she looks at me like I am insane. Good suggestion 
though!

My mom found some Beechnut at the supermarket near her, so I am going to 
get it and try mixing the two baby foods together, at least, to try to minimize 
the amount of corn starch she gets. She is eating some cooked turkey also, just 
ate a few pieces now, but she doesn't eat that much of it. Baby food is the only 
thing that really gets her going. She does seem to have gained an ounce or two 
since the other day though, knock on wood.

Thanks,
Michelle


In a message dated 7/15/2006 2:35:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Michelle, Maybe try mixing the baby food with her 
  regular food and slowly phase it out so she is eating only her regular 
  food. I'm currently phasing out the Fancy Feast and getting my guys 
  on a better food. Then we work on phasing out the dry 
  :) Cody is getting bigger and bigger.

Re: groundhog





That's awful, Belinda. Most vets will not touch wild animals, especially 
ones that can carry rabies. I am not sure if it is illegal here in NJ for 
regular vets to treat wildlife? I know that my local vet in MA, while not a 
great vet, was always willing to see if he could do something for any kind of 
animal, including wild animals. And I once found a vet on a road where I was 
driving who took a bird that I had found on the road and gave some meds to get 
it out of shock so i could get it to a rehabber, and had offered to rehab the 
bird himself if that did not work out. Actually, that was in NJ. I think it just 
depends on the vet. You know if we on this list were vets, we would be open 24 
hours a day taking in everyone on earth!
Michelle

In a message dated 7/15/2006 1:57:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The vet 
  thing also disturbs me, what are these doctors thinking?? The 
  rehabbers are always hard to get a hold of, I remember one time I heard a 
  coyote in the woods behind the houses across the road from me, It was crying 
  and I just knew it was trapped. I called all the rehabbers and animal 
  control, animal control would do nothing and the rehabbers all had answering 
  machines on. None of them ever got back to me. I 
  never did find it and the crying stopped so I don't know what happened to 
  it.

Re: groundhog





No, I didn't. I do always feel a little bad that you seem to think I 
am such a stress case. I mean, I am sometimes, but I think we all are when our 
babies are unwell. I don't really think I am more than others on this 
list. And I certainly have seen a whole lot of death in my life, and in the past 
5 years have lost 9 animals. So I am not sure I need to see any more death to 
learn whatever I am supposed to learn about it. But I appreciate your sentiments 
that whatever happens is what was meant to be, for some reason or other. 
And I do appreciate your support, and did not mean at all that you are a goof 
ball. :)
Michelle

In a message dated 7/15/2006 1:45:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did you 
  mean to say, Thanks Nina, you goof ball? :-) 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Thanks, Nina.

Re: Sam is gone

2006-07-15 Thread Barb Moermond

GLOW to light his path and ease your heart - our thoughts and tears are with you... HUGSHelene Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Sam left me at 1:54  PM today.He was weak and nauseated.The vet came to the house and put  him to sleep in a kind and gentle manner...After he left, I snuggled Sam in  his favorite towel and summer blanket oon the sofa. Delilah , his mother,  finally came out of hiding- I lifted her to the sofs and showed Sammy to  her. She licked his face, and his
 ears, then bounded awayI talked  to her and I feel sure she understands!  Belinda, would you  please post Sam for me for the memorial? My heart is so empty, but  peaceful for him...Helene  Good night, Sweet  Prince, And flights of  angels Sing thee to thy  rest..  Hamlet; William  ShakespeareBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous 
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Re: ot: Pauline

2006-07-15 Thread Barb Moermond

Thank you for sharing such a happy, make-you-feel-good stories:) we don't get enough of those![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have this big sign out front (not visible to humans)...that says 'sucker' over my front door. This must be true, otherwise, every feral cat and creature in the neighborhood wouldn't stop by Liz's Kitty Boutique and Day Spa (my official name for my front porch). Year before last, I noticed this possum on my porch railing. I named her Pauline. She would climb up the rose bush and hang out at night. She was so tame and so friendly. I was worried about her - I
checked all her little feet and her fur to see if she was hurt because I just didn't think it was natural for a possum to be so unafraid. I did some research online and found the National Opossum Society and gave them a call. One of their experts called me and talked to me for about 45 minutes. I sent pictures so she could see if there was anything to be concerned about. She told me that Pauline had just come to trust me and that she felt safe there. She told me to feed her bananas because they just don't get enough potassium in their dietalso to feed her cheese so she would get enough calcium. She told me not to be surprised if Pauline had babies nearby. Pauline won't eat out of my hand but she comes very close. She will sniff the food in my hand and if I set it in front of her, she will eat it. She loves bananas and cheese...loves any kind of
fruit. In time, Pauline came to trust me so much that she would let me pet her! I don't recommend this with just any possumas they have 50 very sharp teeth and their bite is every bit as dangerous as a feral cat's. When friends, neighbors, or family would come to visit - they would just friek when I pointed out my "pet possum", Pauline. They just wouldn't notice her there at first and couldn't believe how friendly she was. Last year, Pauline had two babies -- Pierre and Pinkerton. They are very trusting too and they like to hang out on the porch and love it when I give them treats. Mama Kitty stays on the porch a lot - she doesn't mind in the slightest if they help themselves to her food. One night last winter, I opened the door an startled one of the younger possums. He jumped right in the cat bed with Mama Kitty LOL Neither one
of them seemed to mind the other. I know a lot of you are suckers for all creatures great and small too and thought you might get a kick out of my little story :-) Hope everyone has a good weekend. Wishing health and a good day to all the kitties too. elizabethBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Sam is gone




I am so, so sorry. Sam's story is one of the most amazing FeLV stories I 
have heard. You did well by him in the way you cared for him, bringing him to 
such a ripe old age.
Michelle

food




Belinda, thanks for suggesting the mixing-- I tried it again and, if I do 
about 60% baby food and 40% raw Lucy will eat it. Hopefully it will upset 
her stomach less this way.
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: food





 That's great, I'm doing about half and half right now, although I
did give them all new food today for the first time and by golly they
ate most of it, now to see if we get loose stools :)
I tried it again and, if I do about 60% baby
food and 40% raw Lucy will eat it

-- 

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Re: Sam is gone


Helene,
   I'm very sorry to hear about Sam, he is certainly an inspiration at 
his age and you are a wonderful Mom, take care of yourself.  I will get 
him added to the next service.


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Re: Joey's Sweet Little Sis