date:20070116

 
I am the one who posted it, if there are any questions. I would try chemo  
first and only do this if the cat comes out of remission (after trying rescue  
chemo drugs that can spur second remissions, like ccnu) or if the cat does not  
go into remission.  But if chemo is not an option for one reason or  another, 
I would then try this right away.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/17/2007 12:01:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Perhaps the D&D cocktail could  make him more comfortable. A list member here 
suggested this a long time ago,  so just wanted to say that... I take no 
credit for this, I'm just re-posting  her comments [slightly edited for clarity]

Dexamethasone & Depomedrol Lymphoma Cocktail:



I have had several positives who got lymphoma. If you do stop the chemo at 
any point 
[or opt not to do chemo], rather than the natural [death] route, I would 
suggest doing 
combination shots of dexamethasone and depomedrol (1/2 cc each, as often as 
needed 
but can last up to a few weeks).  The steroids are effective at shrinking 
lymphoma 
and make the cats feel really good physically and emotionally, and they 
usually do not 
have any short-term side effects.  I have had cats who seemed on their death 
beds, not 
eating or drinking and hardly moving, who got up and ate within an hour of 
getting one 
of these shots.  Others on this list [EMAIL PROTECTED] have had 
the same 
experience. It is not a conventional treatment for lymphoma, but I learned it 
from a 
vet whose practice uses these shots for all terminally ill cats, and she 
swears by 
them and says she has seen cats go months on these shots alone with lymphoma, 
feeling 
good.  I would not do it instead of chemo, but if you need to stop the chemo 
for any 
reason.  I convinced my cat's oncologist to try it, after he was at first 
resistant, 
and he was shocked at how effective it was.

 

It's generally 1/2 cc dexamethasone mixed with 1/2 cc depomedrol.  
Normal dosage for each independently is a whole cc.  

Phaewryn

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 
Thanks everyone.  I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough  the 
last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so  I 
think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a 
 lot, came to lay with me, purring etc.  Sorry for all the emails. I  
appreciate the support and advice.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/16/2007 11:53:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light  pressure 
gets a pain response

Re: Antonio

2007-01-16 Thread elizabeth trent

Is it 'Royal Canin diet feline Urinary S/O'?  Where do you buy it?  The only
place I've found it available online is in the UK...

On 1/16/07, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Elizabeth,

I just feed ALL my cats the prescription diet.  I use royal canin s/o
which is for both types of crystals.  It's expensive, but I can't separate
everyone's food..
t

*elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

Thank you, Kerry.

***RANT ALERT (from a crazy nicotine addict in withdrawel)***
I've always been very happy with my vet's officebut I came very close
to opening up a can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bit ago.  Those slap-happy 
receptionist
people are USELESS.  If I had not asked a stream of questions I would have
left there not knowing a d*mn thing about his condition or how serious it
is.  The [EMAIL PROTECTED] technician brought poor 22lb Antonio out ON HIS BACK 
(he
NEVER likes to be carried that way)...and he was in SO much pain.  He just
peed everywhere, bless his little heart.  He was screaming.  This they did
before I even had time to check out or talk to the vet or do anything.  Once
they finally put him down and let me hold him - he was a perfect angel and
didn't even pee on my silk shirt.  He loves his mommy.

Then they forgot to give me the medicine he needs so I had to go back and
get it.  They wouldn't have given me the special food if I had not said --
doesn't he need some special prescription food too?

The whole time they are just as slaphappy as they can be yapping up a
storm about how somebody did their hair or how cute some guy is or who did
their nails.  Little do they know just how close they were to a big can
opening.  I did my best to be gracious - but I am telling you - I STILL feel
like going back down there!  That's my BABY!

It's serious because there are so many crystals in his urine that he could
have a complete blockage at any timeso I have to watch him carefully and
make sure he only eats HIS food and nobody else eats his food.  Maybe it's
just the 8 days without nicotine but I honestly wanted to shake all of them
and just pop their heads together.  Plus, it didn't help that my regular vet
wasn't there.  The one who was there is very competent...but refused to give
Antonio anything for pain saying that the "anti-inflammatory was enough for
his pain".  I hope he gets this same condition and only gets a steriod shot.

*** END RANT ALERT ***
Sorry -- it's going to take a few minutes before I can be nice again.  I
promise, I'll try very hard.

elizabeth

On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
>  Sending positive vibes for your little Antonio--what a great and noble
> name!-- to start to feel better now he's had the steroid and antibiotics.
> hugs Kerryx
>  -Original Message-
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent
> *Sent:* Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: Antonio
>
>  Thank you, Phaewryn.
>
> I just talked to the vet.  Antonio has a lot of struvite crystals in his
> urine...and a lot of red and white blood cells as well.  No blockage - thank
> goodness -- but I need to be on the lookout for that.  They gave him a
> steroid for the inflammation and a shot of antibiotics -- I think we'll be
> doing antibiotics for at least 14 days.  Wants me to change his diet to
> prescription c/dbut it bothers me that the 3rd ingredient in this
> catfood is corn gluten meal.
>
> Anyway - it's going to take some logistical ingenuity to figure out how
> to feed one cat one thing -- and seven others something else.  We had
> recently switched to the chicken soup light formula...but the vet really
> does not think that is what caused it.
>
> I'm getting ready to go get the boy - just can't focus here at work
> without him.  Dr. Jones saw him today and said that Antonio is SUCH a good
> kitty.  and he is.
>
> elizabeth
>
>
> On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Sending healing vibes and positive energy for Antonio!
> >
> > Phaewryn
> >
> > http://ucat.us
> >
> > The easy way out has a bad reputation.
> > Why would anyone take the hard way out?
> > "The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out
> > the window."
> >
> > Quote by: Les U. Knight
> >
>
>
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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

No, I don't think it's anything to worry about. Just watch her for other
signs of seizures, or for other eye symptoms. Sorry I disappeared again, was
doing dishes. Try touching the outside of her eyelid, just put your thumb
over it and put a very light pressure on her eyeball through her eyelid (she
should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain
response (screams, swats at you, growls, hisses), then I'd take her in, if
she just pulls back annoyed, I wouldn't worry. Just watch for pain and signs
of her losing her vision. Like, for example if she doesn't close her eye as
your thumb approaches... she might not be seeing it. But, you might want to
take her in anyways, if you need antibiotics for the URI. I'd probably take
the wait and see approach though, if she's not improving by Friday, take her
in before the weekend. Do you have more than one ice pack? If so, I'd leave
one out for her as an option to lay on if she wants to. When that one
defrosts, replace it with another, and put that one in the freezer, you
know? Cats will seek out what feels good to them, if her fever comes back
while you are asleep, if she has a cold place to lay down, she probably will
lay there.

Phaewryn

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Re: Antonio

2007-01-16 Thread elizabeth trent

I'll have to check on that food when I am sure Antonio is in the clear.  The
vet tried to tell me that if I ever took Antonio off of this diet, his
crystals would come right back...and he told me that if I gave this food to
everyone that they could get the other type of crystals.  Everyone has been
very good about adapting to a schedule - but I just feel like I can never go
out to eat after work..or go by the store...or do anything because I feel
like they are all just starving by the time I get home.

On 1/16/07, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Elizabeth,

I just feed ALL my cats the prescription diet.  I use royal canin s/o
which is for both types of crystals.  It's expensive, but I can't separate
everyone's food..
t

*elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

Thank you, Kerry.

***RANT ALERT (from a crazy nicotine addict in withdrawel)***
I've always been very happy with my vet's officebut I came very close
to opening up a can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bit ago.  Those slap-happy 
receptionist
people are USELESS.  If I had not asked a stream of questions I would have
left there not knowing a d*mn thing about his condition or how serious it
is.  The [EMAIL PROTECTED] technician brought poor 22lb Antonio out ON HIS BACK 
(he
NEVER likes to be carried that way)...and he was in SO much pain.  He just
peed everywhere, bless his little heart.  He was screaming.  This they did
before I even had time to check out or talk to the vet or do anything.  Once
they finally put him down and let me hold him - he was a perfect angel and
didn't even pee on my silk shirt.  He loves his mommy.

Then they forgot to give me the medicine he needs so I had to go back and
get it.  They wouldn't have given me the special food if I had not said --
doesn't he need some special prescription food too?

The whole time they are just as slaphappy as they can be yapping up a
storm about how somebody did their hair or how cute some guy is or who did
their nails.  Little do they know just how close they were to a big can
opening.  I did my best to be gracious - but I am telling you - I STILL feel
like going back down there!  That's my BABY!

It's serious because there are so many crystals in his urine that he could
have a complete blockage at any timeso I have to watch him carefully and
make sure he only eats HIS food and nobody else eats his food.  Maybe it's
just the 8 days without nicotine but I honestly wanted to shake all of them
and just pop their heads together.  Plus, it didn't help that my regular vet
wasn't there.  The one who was there is very competent...but refused to give
Antonio anything for pain saying that the "anti-inflammatory was enough for
his pain".  I hope he gets this same condition and only gets a steriod shot.

*** END RANT ALERT ***
Sorry -- it's going to take a few minutes before I can be nice again.  I
promise, I'll try very hard.

elizabeth

On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Sending positive vibes for your little Antonio--what a great and noble
> name!-- to start to feel better now he's had the steroid and antibiotics.
> hugs Kerryx
>  -Original Message-
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent
> *Sent:* Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: Antonio
>
>  Thank you, Phaewryn.
>
> I just talked to the vet.  Antonio has a lot of struvite crystals in his
> urine...and a lot of red and white blood cells as well.  No blockage - thank
> goodness -- but I need to be on the lookout for that.  They gave him a
> steroid for the inflammation and a shot of antibiotics -- I think we'll be
> doing antibiotics for at least 14 days.  Wants me to change his diet to
> prescription c/dbut it bothers me that the 3rd ingredient in this
> catfood is corn gluten meal.
>
> Anyway - it's going to take some logistical ingenuity to figure out how
> to feed one cat one thing -- and seven others something else.  We had
> recently switched to the chicken soup light formula...but the vet really
> does not think that is what caused it.
>
> I'm getting ready to go get the boy - just can't focus here at work
> without him.  Dr. Jones saw him today and said that Antonio is SUCH a good
> kitty.  and he is.
>
> elizabeth
>
>
> On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Sending healing vibes and positive energy for Antonio!
> >
> > Phaewryn
> >
> > http://ucat.us
> >
> > The easy way out has a bad reputation.
> > Why would anyone take the hard way out?
> > "The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out
> > the window."
> >
> > Quote by: Les U. Knight
> >
>
>
> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters
> was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw
> LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of
> avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. I

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Gloria Lane

Anna, you had several very nice replies to your question, which and  
some good suggestions...  You have to look at the subject of the  
message, and follow that thread, to see your replies.  Hope your  
kitty is doing better, we all understand and sympathize.


Gloria



On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Anna wrote:


god bye.
- Original Message -
From: Anna
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

well guess what ?
- Original Message -
From: Anna
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

is my email/replies getting to this email/group 
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with  
an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of  
whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal  
hippus for the first time.


Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Anna

god bye.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anna 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM
  Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


  well guess what ?
- Original Message - 
From: Anna 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


is my email/replies getting to this email/group 
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM
  Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


  Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an 
eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a 
problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. 

  Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Anna

well guess what ?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anna 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM
  Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


  is my email/replies getting to this email/group 
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye 
to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a 
problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. 

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Anna

is my email/replies getting to this email/group 
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM
  Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

  Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to 
have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, 
you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. 

  Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye
to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a
problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time.

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Phaerwyn, given what you found about rhythmic pupil dilation, do you think  I 
should be worried about that? If her fever is down in the morning do you 
think  I should take her in to the vet to check that out?

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Kelly is absolutely right, you should see her body's temperature as a sign
that her body is functioning as designed, as we were just discussing the
possibility of secondary bacterial infections... perhaps she just killed it
all herself! The only bad thing about fever is when it gets too high, it can
cause seizures and organ failure. Plus, it makes them feel bad, and they
will go off their food, and not drink enough. But no, a fever in itself is
not a bad thing, as Kelly pointed out; in fact, it's probably EXACTLY what
her body needed to kill off those secondary bacteria from her URI.

Thanks for pointing that out Kelly, you are absolutely right! (and it had
not occurred to me)

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Thanks, Phaerwyn. That sounds scary. I am not sure what to think. It is not
very exaggerated, but it does seem to happen with her pulse.

In a message dated 1/16/2007 10:34:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Rhythmic pupil dilation is called hippus, and everyone that has an eye has
it to an extent. The are conditions where it's off balance or too fast or too
slow... here's what I found online:

A good understanding of what affects pupil size is important in those
"unusual" cases. First, the pupil is not a "thing." It is an empty hole in the
center of the iris. The iris, which forms the pupil, consists of a layer of
cells
containing the pigment melanin, which blocks the light, and two sets of
muscles. A ring shaped muscle called the sphincter closes the pupil, and a
radial
set of muscle fibers called the dilator opens it. Primary input to the
sphincter is from the parasympathetic (relaxing) branch of the autonomic
nervous
system, whereas the dilator is controlled by the sympathetic branch
(fighting). Pupil size is primarily

determined by the balance between actions of the two branches of the
autonomic nervous system.

The most important factor that affects pupil size is light. When light is
detected by the photoreceptors in the eyes, information is sent via the optic
nerve and tract to nuclei in the mid-brain and then on to the Edinger-Wesphal
nucleus. Signals to the dilator and sphincter muscles are generated as a
result to activity in this nucleus, but other sources of neural innervation
beyond those produced by light can also alter activity in this nucleus.
Because the coordination required to keep the two systems in balance is not
perfect, the pupil is in a constant state of unrest. This is called hippus or
_pupillary athetosis_
(http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_hl_dorlands.jspzQzpgzEzzSzppdocszSzuszSzcommonzSzdorlandszSzdorlandzSzdmd_a_70zPzhtm#1216690
9) . Normal hippus is difficult to detect, but exaggerated hippus can result
from various pathological states including drug intoxication. It is well
known that cocaine affects the sympathetic nervous system and causes dilation,
whereas the narcotic analgesics affect the parasympathetic system and cause
constriction.
Rhythmic pupillary dilation coincident with the pulse suggests aortic
insufficiency (Landolfi's sign).

LANDOLFI'S SIGN: in aortic regurgitation, systolic contraction and diastolic
dilation of the pupil

The only reference to hippus in felines I could find is that it's often a
result of epilepsy and seizure... and high fevers can cause seizure...

Phaewryn

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Good, glad she is better! High fevers can be really miserable! Especially
when you feel bad to begin with!

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Kelly L


At 07:26 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:


great...great..remember that a fever is natures way of killing 
unwanted guests, Certain bacteria and virus's have a narrow temp 
range so was the body heats up many little bugs die, Fevers in them 
selves are not dangerous unless they are outrageously high.
Fluids are always my stand by for a cat that will not eat, a cat with 
a URI...loosens secretions and keeps the rest of the body functioning 
well and great for general comfort,,Good kidney function, flushes 
toxins,,etc

So good to hear
Kelly
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Well, her temp just read 102.5, and she ate more and is rubbing her 
head against me and purring, got up and used the litter box. her 
nose is cold an wet, and one ear has cooled down to normal, but the 
other ear, oddly enough, is still very hot.  not sure what is going 
on, but am relieved she is improving, knock on wood.


Thanks for all your support,
Michelle
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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Rhythmic pupil dilation is called hippus, and everyone that has an eye has
it to an extent. The are conditions where it's off balance or too fast or
too slow... here's what I found online:

A good understanding of what affects pupil size is important in those
"unusual" cases. First, the pupil is not a "thing." It is an empty hole in
the center of the iris. The iris, which forms the pupil, consists of a layer
of cells containing the pigment melanin, which blocks the light, and two
sets of muscles. A ring shaped muscle called the sphincter closes the pupil,
and a radial set of muscle fibers called the dilator opens it. Primary input
to the sphincter is from the parasympathetic (relaxing) branch of the
autonomic nervous system, whereas the dilator is controlled by the
sympathetic branch (fighting). Pupil size is primarily determined by the
balance between actions of the two branches of the autonomic nervous system.
The most important factor that affects pupil size is light. When light is
detected by the photoreceptors in the eyes, information is sent via the
optic nerve and tract to nuclei in the mid-brain and then on to the
Edinger-Wesphal nucleus. Signals to the dilator and sphincter muscles are
generated as a result to activity in this nucleus, but other sources of
neural innervation beyond those produced by light can also alter activity in
this nucleus.

Because the coordination required to keep the two systems in balance is not
perfect, the pupil is in a constant state of unrest. This is called hippus
or pupillary athetosis. Normal hippus is difficult to detect, but
exaggerated hippus can result from various pathological states including
drug intoxication. It is well known that cocaine affects the sympathetic
nervous system and causes dilation, whereas the narcotic analgesics affect
the parasympathetic system and cause constriction.

Rhythmic pupillary dilation coincident with the pulse suggests aortic
insufficiency (Landolfi's sign).

LANDOLFI'S SIGN: in aortic regurgitation, systolic contraction and diastolic
dilation of the pupil



The only reference to hippus in felines I could find is that it's often a
result of epilepsy and seizure... and high fevers can cause seizure...

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Well, her temp just read 102.5, and she ate more and is rubbing her head  
against me and purring, got up and used the litter box. her nose is cold an 
wet,  
and one ear has cooled down to normal, but the other ear, oddly enough, is 
still  very hot.  not sure what is going on, but am relieved she is improving,  
knock on wood.
 
Thanks for all your support,
Michelle

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

pupils contracting with heartbeat? humm... well, glaucoma comes to mind, and
high blood pressure. But that's just my first thoughts, not based on
anything I've heard of specifically.. let me see what I can come up with...
I went to take a shower, that's why I was gone for a while..

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 
Thanks. I don't want to stress her by looking in her mouth right now (am  
already taking temps hourly, has been half hourly), but she has not had any  
discomfort eating so I don't think she has oral ulcers. I hope not,  anyway!
 
She is having a slightly odd other symptom, though, and I can't find  
anything about it online.  Her pupils seem to be dilating and contracting  ever 
so 
slightly with each breath or heart beat, I can't tell which.  Gray  noticed it; 
it is so slight that I am not sure I would have noticed if he had  not pointed 
it out.  We can't get the other cats to hold our gaze long  enough to tell if 
theirs do it, but we don't think so.  She is not acting  like her eyes are 
bothering her. Any ideas?
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/16/2007 9:18:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Usually just by antibiotics to kill  secondary bacterial infections and any 
number of things for the oral ulcers...  it's the lesser of the two main causes 
of URI. It usually doesn't have  life-long respiratory effects like Herpes 
often does. Like I said, if you can  get the Feline Interferon OMEGA 
(Virbagen), 
that's ideal, and it's been shown  to resolve Stomatitis and Calici oral 
ulcers completely. The worst part of the  calici is the oral ulcers, it's 
basically just like stomatitis, often the  diagnosis is confused between the 
two. If 
all cats that had Stomatitis were  DNA tested for calici, it's thought that 
upwards of 85% would be Calici  positive. I'd go so far as to say, Calici is 
the 
#2 cause of Stomatitis,  behind FIV (though a majority of FIV related 
Stomatitis may also be due to  Calici, no studies done there yet, I don't 
believe).
 
I'd add some extra Vitamin A into her  diet, if her digestive system can 
handle it. It can't hurt  anything.
 
I have those FIV/Stomatitis Interferon  Omega studies, if you're interested:
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99&lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99&lang=eng)  (slow 
 
loading)
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189&lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189&lang=eng)  
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96&lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96&lang=eng) 
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97&lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97&lang=eng) 
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93&lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93&lang=eng) 
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141&lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141&lang=eng) 
 
Here's one about Calici:
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188&lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188&lang=eng)  
 
Here's one that's very promising, an  elderly cat with FIV and Uvetis 
(doesn't someone here have a cat fighting  uvetis?):
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140&lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140&lang=eng)  
 
Here's the index of all Omega  studies:
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferon&lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferon&lang=eng) 
 
(it's even cured a case of WET  FIP!)

Phaewryn

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Yeah, you can actually put the ice right under her chest/belly, with only a
hand towel or a sweatshirt between her and the ice. I once brought a kitten
back from unconsciousness from a high fever by putting him DIRECTLY on a bag
of frozen peas. (I rotated him often though)

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Usually just by antibiotics to kill secondary bacterial infections and any
number of things for the oral ulcers... it's the lesser of the two main
causes of URI. It usually doesn't have life-long respiratory effects like
Herpes often does. Like I said, if you can get the Feline Interferon OMEGA
(Virbagen), that's ideal, and it's been shown to resolve Stomatitis and
Calici oral ulcers completely. The worst part of the calici is the oral
ulcers, it's basically just like stomatitis, often the diagnosis is confused
between the two. If all cats that had Stomatitis were DNA tested for calici,
it's thought that upwards of 85% would be Calici positive. I'd go so far as
to say, Calici is the #2 cause of Stomatitis, behind FIV (though a majority
of FIV related Stomatitis may also be due to Calici, no studies done there
yet, I don't believe).

I'd add some extra Vitamin A into her diet, if her digestive system can
handle it. It can't hurt anything.

I have those FIV/Stomatitis Interferon Omega studies, if you're interested:
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99&lang=eng (slow
loading)
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189&lang=eng
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96&lang=eng
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97&lang=eng
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93&lang=eng
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141&lang=eng

Here's one about Calici:
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188&lang=eng

Here's one that's very promising, an elderly cat with FIV and Uvetis
(doesn't someone here have a cat fighting uvetis?):
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140&lang=eng

Here's the index of all Omega studies:
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferon&lang=eng
(it's even cured a case of WET FIP!)

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Her fever is now down to 104.5, and I realized that the ice was not cold  
through the sleeping bag so moved it above the sleeping bag next to her wrapped 
 
in a t-shirt. She ate more and seems more alert.  I am actually surprised  how 
alert she is given that her temp is still so high, though she is still  
laying in the same spot and has not moved other than to sit in a sphinx 
position  
from curled up (not a sick cat position, it's a normal position).  She  purred 
when I pet her, and when I moved the ice closer to her.  I am still  a stress 
basket, but am going to retemp her in an hour and see if it is still  going 
down steadily.  I called the ER and they said to do that and if it  stops going 
down to bring her in.
 
Michelle

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 
I gave her fluids about an hour ago and assume that is part of what is  
bringing it down.  I also have had an ice pack under her (she is on a  sleeping 
bag 
and I have it under the sleeping bag under her) for the last hour  or so.  I 
have not tried the alcohol yet.
 
How is calici treated?  
 
In a message dated 1/16/2007 8:10:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Do you have a home sub-q fluids set  up? If so, some cool fluids might help 
bring it down more. You can also wipe  the foot pads with rubbing alcohol and 
blow on them, the evaporation lowers  the body temperature (rinse them well 
with cold water after you're done, as  the alcohol shouldn't be ingested). If 
you 
have a soft ice pack, you can lay  it under her body. 
 
Personally, since she's been ill with  URI, I would take her in tonight. They 
could put her on IV fluids, which  should help both her fever and her nasal 
discharge (more fluids thins the  secretions and eases congestion). Lemme 
see... high fever plus UR symptoms,  plus eye discharge that would lean 
towards 
Herpes or Calici, the high  fever eliminates just about everything 
"uncommon". Did you look in her mouth  for ulcers?

Phaewryn

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Do you have a home sub-q fluids set up? If so, some cool fluids might help
bring it down more. You can also wipe the foot pads with rubbing alcohol and
blow on them, the evaporation lowers the body temperature (rinse them well
with cold water after you're done, as the alcohol shouldn't be ingested). If
you have a soft ice pack, you can lay it under her body.

Personally, since she's been ill with URI, I would take her in tonight. They
could put her on IV fluids, which should help both her fever and her nasal
discharge (more fluids thins the secretions and eases congestion). Lemme
see... high fever plus UR symptoms, plus eye discharge that would lean
towards Herpes or Calici, the high fever eliminates just about everything
"uncommon". Did you look in her mouth for ulcers?

Phaewryn

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Re: Antonio

2007-01-16 Thread catatonya

Elizabeth,
   
  I just feed ALL my cats the prescription diet.  I use royal canin s/o which 
is for both types of crystals.  It's expensive, but I can't separate everyone's 
food..
  t

elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you, Kerry.
   
  ***RANT ALERT (from a crazy nicotine addict in withdrawel)***
  I've always been very happy with my vet's officebut I came very close to 
opening up a can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bit ago.  Those slap-happy receptionist 
people are USELESS.  If I had not asked a stream of questions I would have left 
there not knowing a d*mn thing about his condition or how serious it is.  The 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] technician brought poor 22lb Antonio out ON HIS BACK (he 
NEVER likes to be carried that way)...and he was in SO much pain.  He just peed 
everywhere, bless his little heart.  He was screaming.  This they did before I 
even had time to check out or talk to the vet or do anything.  Once they 
finally put him down and let me hold him - he was a perfect angel and didn't 
even pee on my silk shirt.  He loves his mommy.  
   
  Then they forgot to give me the medicine he needs so I had to go back and get 
it.  They wouldn't have given me the special food if I had not said -- doesn't 
he need some special prescription food too?  
   
  The whole time they are just as slaphappy as they can be yapping up a storm 
about how somebody did their hair or how cute some guy is or who did their 
nails.  Little do they know just how close they were to a big can opening.  I 
did my best to be gracious - but I am telling you - I STILL feel like going 
back down there!  That's my BABY! 
 
  It's serious because there are so many crystals in his urine that he could 
have a complete blockage at any timeso I have to watch him carefully and 
make sure he only eats HIS food and nobody else eats his food.  Maybe it's just 
the 8 days without nicotine but I honestly wanted to shake all of them and just 
pop their heads together.  Plus, it didn't help that my regular vet wasn't 
there.  The one who was there is very competent...but refused to give Antonio 
anything for pain saying that the "anti-inflammatory was enough for his pain".  
I hope he gets this same condition and only gets a steriod shot. 
   
  *** END RANT ALERT ***
  Sorry -- it's going to take a few minutes before I can be nice again.  I 
promise, I'll try very hard.
   
  elizabeth
 


 
  On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sending 
positive vibes for your little Antonio--what a great and noble name!-- to start 
to feel better now he's had the steroid and antibiotics. hugs Kerryx 
  
  -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Antonio


Thank you, Phaewryn.  
   
  I just talked to the vet.  Antonio has a lot of struvite crystals in his 
urine...and a lot of red and white blood cells as well.  No blockage - thank 
goodness -- but I need to be on the lookout for that.  They gave him a steroid 
for the inflammation and a shot of antibiotics -- I think we'll be doing 
antibiotics for at least 14 days.  Wants me to change his diet to prescription 
c/dbut it bothers me that the 3rd ingredient in this catfood is corn gluten 
meal. 
   
  Anyway - it's going to take some logistical ingenuity to figure out how to 
feed one cat one thing -- and seven others something else.  We had recently 
switched to the chicken soup light formula...but the vet really does not think 
that is what caused it. 
   
  I'm getting ready to go get the boy - just can't focus here at work without 
him.  Dr. Jones saw him today and said that Antonio is SUCH a good kitty.  and 
he is.
   
  elizabeth

 
  On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Sending 
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Re: O/T

2007-01-16 Thread catatonya

Helene,
   
  I'm way behind on my email and hope this post finds Delilah feeling better 
and eating more.
   
  tonya

Helene Hand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hi, all,
   
  I don't communicate nearly as often as I should, but I read the posts and 
keep up with you guys.  My 16 year old siamese, Delilah,is not eating well at 
all-  her son, Sammy died this summer as a result of FELV-he lived to be 15, 
though!!! with many thanks to advice and love on this list- so she is still 
grieving for him. She only weighs 6 pounds and is very petite.I give her any 
canned food she will eat-she has sworn off of her dry science diet, etc.  At 
this point, she only likes certain few fancy feast turkey and chicken mixtures, 
and (people) bumblebee tuna, and beechnut baby chicken and turkey and beef 
meats.  (no onion). Canned chicken, too. I have an array of foods in the 
cabinet for her!!  Also likes Tyson's already cooked chicken breasts which we 
share.
   
  The vet has suggested cyproheptadine (periactin- an antihistimine) as an 
appetite stimulant  2 mg. twice daily.  She is also on tapizole 2 mg. 2 times 
daily for hyperthyroidism. Her coat looks great, now, and no knobby spine!! She 
absolutely hates being pilled.  I have to mummy her. I am trying the pill 
pouches, -she hates them,too- I have the tapizole in pill form, also in a 
transdermal gel, but her ears are looking inflamed on the inside from the gel, 
so stopped that. Now I have ordered the tapizole in a suspension from an on 
line  vet. pharmacy in Texas. I have a good compounding pharmacy locally, but 
they do not make the tapizole in a suspension.
   
  My question is, has anyone tried periactin for an appetite stimulant??  She 
has been on it 4 days and is eating better, I think.  Are there any side 
effects?   Any suggestions?
   
  Stumbled across this link by accident, and found alot of little nuggets of 
info., so wanted to share.  Helene
   
http://www.thensome.com/cats.htm

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Kelly L


At 03:57 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:



Cats can easily go up to 106.5 their normal is much higher than ours, 
I do the fluids it helps so muchBe careful about  the 
Asprin..there are other meds to reduce the fever should it be 
necessary , Fluids as you have been doing are the best, The fever is 
only secondary to the other issues which are more important, Eating,, 
Peeing general lethargypain  ..those are all more critical, If it 
does not go up higher and it starts to come down I might hold off if 
there are no other symptoms. the cool wraps suggested by Hideyo are 
good also, Stress also raises the temp so be aware of putting hard 
objects in soft bottoms,, too often

Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com


Kelly

I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago 
and it was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) 
and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp 
again and it was 105.6.  I am trying to figure out whether to take 
her to the ER or not.  At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should 
I take her?


Thanks,
Michelle
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Re: Sanctuaries

Thanks for that inside view about Tiger Ranch Renee! I see you're still
around!

Phaewryn

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Re: URI question

Yes, I think you may be right, for FELV (or FIV) positives, probably putting
them on the antibiotics immediately makes sense... just make sure it's a
very broad spectrum one with few resistant bacteria. Amoxicillin, IMO, is
pointless. But for healthy cats not at risk, I think waiting it out makes
more sense.

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 
I took her temp again and it is down to 105.0 (was 105.7, then 105.3) and  
she fought me this time, then ate some of her raw food afterwards (I brought it 
 
to her, she still is just laying curled up).  At this point I am going to  
wait a half hour and take it again and see if it is down more.  Over 105 is  
dangerous according to info I found on the internet, and below 104.5 can wait  
for a regular vet appointment. If it goes down below 104.5 in the next hour or  
so I think I will wait and take her to the regular vet tomorrow (monitoring 
her  temp through the night of course). If it doesn't I will take her to the 
ER. 
The  ER is 45 minutes away, though, and they always insist on keeping them 
overnight,  and she gets really stressed.  I think the plusses of going to the 
ER are  1) they can do IV fluids which are faster than sub-q, and 2) they can 
give a dex  shot, which can help bring it down fast. Everything else they would 
do I am  doing, and the sub q fluids should start absorbing.  Thank you 
everyone for  advice, and please offer more if you have it-- and tell me if you 
think I am  doing the wrong thing, please.  I am totally stressed out right 
now.  
 I am glad I did not take her to the ER right away because 1) I would still 
be in  the car and her fever would not be being treated and probably would not 
have  come down, 2) stress can actually increase fever in a cat, and 3) I am 
way to  stressed and fatigued to drive all that way at night with her screaming 
next to  me without risking an accident.  At least if her fever is not down 
in an  hour or so Gray should be home and can drive us.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/16/2007 7:26:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle – I say wait  – there really isn’t anything they can do to cure the 
problem – give some time  as it often times goes down.. keep her cool --- but 
wait you don’t want to  stress her too much ..

RE: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

Michelle - I say wait - there really isn't anything they can do to cure
the problem - give some time as it often times goes down.. keep her cool
--- but wait you don't want to stress her too much ..

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 

I just took her temp again and it is down from 105.7 to 105.3  in about
half an hour. I also just gave her 1/4 baby aspirin.  I have been
prepared to take her to the ER, waiting for Gray to get home from work
to go with me (he is on way). Now that it is going down some on its own
and fluids probably have not really started absorbing, do you think I
can wait and monitor and see if it keeps going down?  Or do you think
that I should go immediately, still?

 

thanks,

Michelle

RE: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

I don't PERSONALLY  worry too much unless fever last more than a couple
of days - if the temp is below normal - it's an urgent situation and you
need to do everything you can to bring it up.. but when a temp is high,
the body is trying to fight something against and it's not necessarily a
BAD thing (in alternative medicine thinking anyway) - I have had several
cats who has had a temp over 106.5 (yes scary) - but I gave a sub q
fluid and put a cold towel around the body ---to bring it down --- there
is non steroid antinflamatory to bring the fever down.. 

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leslie Lawther
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 

Personally, I think I would take her to the ER.  My Sarah ended up with
vision problems from a fever that high.  99.5 - 102.5 are considered
normal range.

Leslie =^..^=

 

On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and
it was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids
(150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it
was 105.6.  I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or
not.  At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? 

 

Thanks,

Michelle




-- 
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.
That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

I just took her temp again and it is down from 105.7 to 105.3  in  about half 
an hour. I also just gave her 1/4 baby aspirin.  I have been  prepared to 
take her to the ER, waiting for Gray to get home from work to go  with me (he 
is 
on way). Now that it is going down some on its own and fluids  probably have 
not really started absorbing, do you think I can wait and monitor  and see if 
it keeps going down?  Or do you think that I should go  immediately, still?
 
thanks,
Michelle

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Leslie Lawther


*Michelle, I looked up a few things and found this on *
http://cats.about.com/library/howto/httaketemp.htm:
*Tips:*

  1. This project will be much easier if you have someone to hold the
  cat and pet it while you lift her tail and insert the thermometer.
  2. A temperature of 105°F is a dangerous level and your cat should be
  seen by a veterinarian immediately. If it's between 103°F and 104.5°F,
  you should call your veterinarian for advice.
  3. A digital thermometer will be easier to read, and will beep when
  ready to be read.




On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and
it was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids
(150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was
105.6.  I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not.
At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her?

Thanks,
Michelle





--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Susan Hoffman

Take her to the ER.  That's too high and it could get even higher as the night 
wears on.

Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Personally, I think I would take 
her to the ER.  My Sarah ended up with vision problems from a fever that high.  
99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal range.
  Leslie =^..^=

 
  On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   I got home and 
Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7.  I gave 
her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice 
under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6.  I am trying to figure 
out whether to take her to the ER or not.  At what point do fevers get 
dangerous? Should I take her? 
   
  Thanks,
  Michelle





-- 
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, 
or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one 
life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Leslie Lawther


*Personally, I think I would take her to the ER.  My Sarah ended up with
vision problems from a fever that high.  99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal
range.*
*Leslie =^..^=*


On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and
it was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids
(150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was
105.6.  I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not.
At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her?

Thanks,
Michelle





--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

urgent-- fever advice needed

I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it  
was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150  ml) 
and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was  105.6.  I 
am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or  not.  At what point 
do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? 
 
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: Sanctuaries

2007-01-16 Thread BoardMailbox

My friend brought an FIV positive feral to Tiger Ranch a  little over a year 
ago.  She said it wasn't a bad place for ferals as they  all looked healthy.  
She said new ferals were kept inside until  the spring.  Once the warmer 
weather appeared they were permitted to  roam.However, she said the tame 
cats 
didn't look as  healthy; many had URIs.   She said the people (or person) there 
 were nice but appeared to be a bit overwhelmed.  Based on what she saw she  
said that she would not bring a tame cat there but she would bring another 
feral  if she had to.  Don't know what their current situation is  like. 
 
Renee

Re: Sanctuaries


hey, phaewyrn, that's the one with ringworm, right?

On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Make him a ten-year old solid black shorthaired cat who doesn't get along
well with other cats.  Or maybe a former feral.

TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
that's MEAN, phaewyrn--you KNOW how much we hate to get emails like
that, and how hard we have to work to be polite to the people (?) who
send them!

On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> Haha! I'll email them, if no one else wants to... and pretend to be giving
> up my cat. LOL! That sounds immensely fun! (how many of us rescuers ever
get
> the chance to be on the other end, LOL)
>
> "Hi, my name is Julia, and I have to get rid of my cat because my new
> husband is allergic to him, plus I'm pregnant and don't want to catch
> toxoplasmosis from him or have him lay on my baby and suffocate it. He
> doesn't use his litterbox all the time, and my husband says it's him or
the
> cat. He is a good kitty, but he has cat AIDS. He's never been sick so far
> though. He's never been around kids and is scared of dogs. He's neutered
and
> four paw declawed. Can you take him? I have to get rid of him ASAP! His
name
> is Shadow and he's a solid black shorthaired cat."
>
> How's that? ...LOL, did I forget anything?
>
> Phaewryn
>
> http://ucat.us
> Adopt a New England FIV+ cat:
> http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
> Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library):
> http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html


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Re: Sanctuaries

2007-01-16 Thread Susan Hoffman

Make him a ten-year old solid black shorthaired cat who doesn't get along well 
with other cats.  Or maybe a former feral.

TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  that's MEAN, phaewyrn--you KNOW how 
much we hate to get emails like
that, and how hard we have to work to be polite to the people (?) who
send them!

On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> Haha! I'll email them, if no one else wants to... and pretend to be giving
> up my cat. LOL! That sounds immensely fun! (how many of us rescuers ever get
> the chance to be on the other end, LOL)
>
> "Hi, my name is Julia, and I have to get rid of my cat because my new
> husband is allergic to him, plus I'm pregnant and don't want to catch
> toxoplasmosis from him or have him lay on my baby and suffocate it. He
> doesn't use his litterbox all the time, and my husband says it's him or the
> cat. He is a good kitty, but he has cat AIDS. He's never been sick so far
> though. He's never been around kids and is scared of dogs. He's neutered and
> four paw declawed. Can you take him? I have to get rid of him ASAP! His name
> is Shadow and he's a solid black shorthaired cat."
>
> How's that? ...LOL, did I forget anything?
>
> Phaewryn
>
> http://ucat.us
> Adopt a New England FIV+ cat:
> http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
> Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library):
> http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html


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Re: Sanctuaries


that's MEAN, phaewyrn--you KNOW how much we hate to get emails like
that, and how hard we have to work to be polite to the people (?) who
send them!

On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Haha! I'll email them, if no one else wants to... and pretend to be giving
up my cat. LOL! That sounds immensely fun! (how many of us rescuers ever get
the chance to be on the other end, LOL)

"Hi, my name is Julia, and I have to get rid of my cat because my new
husband is allergic to him, plus I'm pregnant and don't want to catch
toxoplasmosis from him or have him lay on my baby and suffocate it. He
doesn't use his litterbox all the time, and my husband says it's him or the
cat. He is a good kitty, but he has cat AIDS. He's never been sick so far
though. He's never been around kids and is scared of dogs. He's neutered and
four paw declawed. Can you take him? I have to get rid of him ASAP! His name
is Shadow and he's a solid black shorthaired cat."

How's that? ...LOL, did I forget anything?

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us
Adopt a New England FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library):
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html



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Re: Sanctuaries

Haha! I'll email them, if no one else wants to... and pretend to be giving
up my cat. LOL! That sounds immensely fun! (how many of us rescuers ever get
the chance to be on the other end, LOL)

"Hi, my name is Julia, and I have to get rid of my cat because my new
husband is allergic to him, plus I'm pregnant and don't want to catch
toxoplasmosis from him or have him lay on my baby and suffocate it. He
doesn't use his litterbox all the time, and my husband says it's him or the
cat. He is a good kitty, but he has cat AIDS. He's never been sick so far
though. He's never been around kids and is scared of dogs. He's neutered and
four paw declawed. Can you take him? I have to get rid of him ASAP! His name
is Shadow and he's a solid black shorthaired cat."

How's that? ...LOL, did I forget anything?

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us
Adopt a New England FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library):
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html

Re: Sanctuaries

i don't think that rikki's has been around all that long, tho--i
started working at the sanctuary here in late 2002, and i'm pretty
sure they started up after that--so much depends on what went into the
process of starting up and planning and putting things into practice!

On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have to agree.  Even places that start well can fall apart quickly.  (The
place in Florida that claims to never turn a cat away and has only been
around since 2003 really concerns me.  If they're not in trouble yet, they
will be.)

I have seen just a tiny handful of really wonderful sanctuaries.  They do
not advertise.  They are almost always full.  They typically expect a fee if
it's an owner turn-in situation -- after all, they are offering to provide
lifetime care -- but may help out rescue groups if space and resources
permit.

Want to test the sanctuaries you listed?  Have someone call and email,
pretending to be a member of the public who, for some good reason,
absolutely must rehome a special needs cat.  See how the sanctuary responds.
 (And please let us know.)  This should tell you a lot.

tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

WATCH POOR SPELLING!  HUGE RED FLAG  A PROFESSIONAL sanctuary will have
PROFESSIONAL coorespondance!

I posted a cat on Petfinder only to be contacted by someone whose "employer
wants to adopt my pet as a gift for his wife"the story was that the guy
owned a car lot somewhere south and would pay to have the cat
transported...Much of the e-mail was mis-spelled ...and had poor
punctuation.  I replied to the writter that I was certain he was a broker
(most likely "adopting" free to a good home or inexpensive adoption fee
animals to sell to universities...unrep. labs...or just for bait in
fighting) mentioned something about hoping his member dropped off, and
hit "send".

Never accept someone else's assessement of a sanctuary.  Far too many of
them get good reviews from rescuers and animal rescue organizations that
have, although entrusted animals into their care, have never actuallly
visited them in person.  Too many of these organizations & or people, start
with the best intentions then become overwhelmed COLLECTORS.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS visit them yourselfor do not send an animal
there.  (I am speaking from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!)

Good luck.
T

TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the no website/petfinder site is a bigger red flag for me, for tiger
ranch, than haven acres' not turning anyone away they're new, and
since we don't know their capacity, they may well have room. they
don't have very many cats listed on their petfinder page--far fewer
than many rescues--so they may well be taking in mostly adoptables and
turning them over.

what concerns me about them, however, is that nowhere do they talk
about being a special-needs sanctuary--which, obviously, FeLV (and
some think, FIV) cats certainly are. they say that all their
adoptables are FIV/FeLV neg, so they aren't adopting them out. what
they say is that, "Cats that are less adoptable due to age,
temperment, or color have a safe, loving home at the sanctuary for the
rest of there lives." grammar and spelling aside, no reference to
disability or ongoing medical conditions at all makes me nervous,
personally.

On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
> No personal knowledge on any of them. However, I did a little quick
> research:
>
> Tiger Ranch reports 0 income and 0 assets and apparently hasnt filed a
> return since 2004.
> http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=228853
> You may want to check further on their stability and compliance with laws
> relating to maintaining their non-profit status. Apparently no website or
> PetFinder site either.
>
> Rikki's Refuge looks like it might be worthwhile. From their website,
> Rikki's Refuge welcomes visitors to their sanctuary. That's always a good
> sign. http://www.rikkisrefuge.org
>
> Haven Acres has only been around since 2003. They claim never to turn
> anyone away. (Red flag.) They have a lot of cats listed on PetFinder and
> claim to feed exclusively Science Diet (no doubt the free to shelters and
> rescues program where you pay only shipping).
> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/FL644.html I would be
> concerned that they are stretched too thin and this might not be a stable
> situation.
>
>
>
>
> Gussies mom wrote:
>
> Has anyone any first hand info or heard anything good or bad about the
> following sanctuaries:
>
> Tiger Ranch PA - We are sending 3 FeLV catsd there from a hoarding case
> Rikkis Refuge - VA
> Haven Acres FL
>
> Beth
> 
> Bored stiff? Loosen up...
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>

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Re: Sanctuaries

2007-01-16 Thread Susan Hoffman

I have to agree.  Even places that start well can fall apart quickly.  (The 
place in Florida that claims to never turn a cat away and has only been around 
since 2003 really concerns me.  If they're not in trouble yet, they will be.)

  I have seen just a tiny handful of really wonderful sanctuaries.  They do not 
advertise.  They are almost always full.  They typically expect a fee if it's 
an owner turn-in situation -- after all, they are offering to provide lifetime 
care -- but may help out rescue groups if space and resources permit.

  Want to test the sanctuaries you listed?  Have someone call and email, 
pretending to be a member of the public who, for some good reason, absolutely 
must rehome a special needs cat.  See how the sanctuary responds.  (And please 
let us know.)  This should tell you a lot.

tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
WATCH POOR SPELLING!  HUGE RED FLAG  A PROFESSIONAL sanctuary will have 
PROFESSIONAL coorespondance!

  I posted a cat on Petfinder only to be contacted by someone whose "employer 
wants to adopt my pet as a gift for his wife"the story was that the guy 
owned a car lot somewhere south and would pay to have the cat 
transported...Much of the e-mail was mis-spelled ...and had poor 
punctuation.  I replied to the writter that I was certain he was a broker (most 
likely "adopting" free to a good home or inexpensive adoption fee animals to 
sell to universities...unrep. labs...or just for bait in fighting) 
mentioned something about hoping his member dropped off, and hit "send". 

  Never accept someone else's assessement of a sanctuary.  Far too many of them 
get good reviews from rescuers and animal rescue organizations that have, 
although entrusted animals into their care, have never actuallly visited them 
in person.  Too many of these organizations & or people, start with the best 
intentions then become overwhelmed COLLECTORS.  

  ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS visit them yourselfor do not send an animal there. 
 (I am speaking from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!)

  Good luck.
  T

TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  the no website/petfinder site is a bigger red flag for me, for tiger
ranch, than haven acres' not turning anyone away they're new, and
since we don't know their capacity, they may well have room. they
don't have very many cats listed on their petfinder page--far fewer
than many rescues--so they may well be taking in mostly adoptables and
turning them over.

what concerns me about them, however, is that nowhere do they talk
about being a special-needs sanctuary--which, obviously, FeLV (and
some think, FIV) cats certainly are. they say that all their
adoptables are FIV/FeLV neg, so they aren't adopting them out. what
they say is that, "Cats that are less adoptable due to age,
temperment, or color have a safe, loving home at the sanctuary for the
rest of there lives." grammar and spelling aside, no reference to
disability or ongoing medical conditions at all makes me nervous,
personally.

On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
> No personal knowledge on any of them. However, I did a little quick
> research:
>
> Tiger Ranch reports 0 income and 0 assets and apparently hasnt filed a
> return since 2004.
> http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=228853
> You may want to check further on their stability and compliance with laws
> relating to maintaining their non-profit status. Apparently no website or
> PetFinder site either.
>
> Rikki's Refuge looks like it might be worthwhile. From their website,
> Rikki's Refuge welcomes visitors to their sanctuary. That's always a good
> sign. http://www.rikkisrefuge.org
>
> Haven Acres has only been around since 2003. They claim never to turn
> anyone away. (Red flag.) They have a lot of cats listed on PetFinder and
> claim to feed exclusively Science Diet (no doubt the free to shelters and
> rescues program where you pay only shipping).
> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/FL644.html I would be
> concerned that they are stretched too thin and this might not be a stable
> situation.
>
>
>
>
> Gussies mom wrote:
>
> Has anyone any first hand info or heard anything good or bad about the
> following sanctuaries:
>
> Tiger Ranch PA - We are sending 3 FeLV catsd there from a hoarding case
> Rikkis Refuge - VA
> Haven Acres FL
>
> Beth
> 
> Bored stiff? Loosen up...
> Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
>

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Re: Sanctuaries

2007-01-16 Thread tamara stickler

WATCH POOR SPELLING!  HUGE RED FLAG  A PROFESSIONAL sanctuary will have 
PROFESSIONAL coorespondance!

  I posted a cat on Petfinder only to be contacted by someone whose "employer 
wants to adopt my pet as a gift for his wife"the story was that the guy 
owned a car lot somewhere south and would pay to have the cat 
transported...Much of the e-mail was mis-spelled ...and had poor 
punctuation.  I replied to the writter that I was certain he was a broker (most 
likely "adopting" free to a good home or inexpensive adoption fee animals to 
sell to universities...unrep. labs...or just for bait in fighting) 
mentioned something about hoping his member dropped off, and hit "send". 

  Never accept someone else's assessement of a sanctuary.  Far too many of them 
get good reviews from rescuers and animal rescue organizations that have, 
although entrusted animals into their care, have never actuallly visited them 
in person.  Too many of these organizations & or people, start with the best 
intentions then become overwhelmed COLLECTORS.  

  ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS visit them yourselfor do not send an animal there. 
 (I am speaking from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!)

  Good luck.
  T

TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  the no website/petfinder site is a bigger red flag for me, for tiger
ranch, than haven acres' not turning anyone away they're new, and
since we don't know their capacity, they may well have room. they
don't have very many cats listed on their petfinder page--far fewer
than many rescues--so they may well be taking in mostly adoptables and
turning them over.

what concerns me about them, however, is that nowhere do they talk
about being a special-needs sanctuary--which, obviously, FeLV (and
some think, FIV) cats certainly are. they say that all their
adoptables are FIV/FeLV neg, so they aren't adopting them out. what
they say is that, "Cats that are less adoptable due to age,
temperment, or color have a safe, loving home at the sanctuary for the
rest of there lives." grammar and spelling aside, no reference to
disability or ongoing medical conditions at all makes me nervous,
personally.

On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
> No personal knowledge on any of them. However, I did a little quick
> research:
>
> Tiger Ranch reports 0 income and 0 assets and apparently hasnt filed a
> return since 2004.
> http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=228853
> You may want to check further on their stability and compliance with laws
> relating to maintaining their non-profit status. Apparently no website or
> PetFinder site either.
>
> Rikki's Refuge looks like it might be worthwhile. From their website,
> Rikki's Refuge welcomes visitors to their sanctuary. That's always a good
> sign. http://www.rikkisrefuge.org
>
> Haven Acres has only been around since 2003. They claim never to turn
> anyone away. (Red flag.) They have a lot of cats listed on PetFinder and
> claim to feed exclusively Science Diet (no doubt the free to shelters and
> rescues program where you pay only shipping).
> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/FL644.html I would be
> concerned that they are stretched too thin and this might not be a stable
> situation.
>
>
>
>
> Gussies mom wrote:
>
> Has anyone any first hand info or heard anything good or bad about the
> following sanctuaries:
>
> Tiger Ranch PA - We are sending 3 FeLV catsd there from a hoarding case
> Rikkis Refuge - VA
> Haven Acres FL
>
> Beth
> 
> Bored stiff? Loosen up...
> Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
>

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Re: Sanctuaries


most sanctuaries still have websites--they just don't have STREET
addresses on them! our po box was three towns over from where the
sanctuary actually was located, and people STILL managed to find us in
the middle of the night to dump cats... it's really hard to make any
decisions without any photos of the critters there, the facilities,
etc--and that applies to the third place, too, which only shows photos
of healthy kitties.

not that having a website guarantees anything, of course--many of us
are too aware of angel wings, who at one time WAS a legitimate
sanctuary, but whose website certainly did not reflect the
deterioration in conditions of either the physical environment nor
that of the animals there.





On 1/16/07, Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

They don't have websites. I think that's so people don't do door dumps.

Beth



"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Can you send me the websites for the other two, if you have them?

Phaewryn

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2007-01-16 Thread Coscia Sheila

I am so sorry for your loss, it is extremely painful to watch them go
through the final stage, yet being with them through it can strengthen
the bond you had together in this life.  I have lost so many to this
horrible disease, but I did not let them die alone.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:28:48 -0600
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Angel Morgana
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Wendy,

She was at the vet a few weeks ago for a sinus infection.  He noted a
grade
3 dental needed and halitosis as well as 2/5 body condition scale.  He
put
her on 1/2 dropperful of amoxycillin and 1/2 periactin every 12 hours,
plus
triple antiobiotic drops for her eyes.  She got much better, but when I
had
a round of URI go around she got that, so I asked the vet and he said I
could start her on 1/2 dropperful amoxycillin and 1/2 periactin every 12
hours again.  It almost seemed like a reaction to the meds last
night..but
maybe I hadn't noticed her losing more weight...I talked to her doctor
this
morning and he said he wouldn't have anticipated this.

On 1/15/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kelley,
>
> I'm so sorry to hear that you lost little Morgana this
> morning.  What a horrible thing to happen.  Was
> Morgana perfectly healthy before this???  Again, I am
> so sorry this happened to her.  She was lucky to have
> had you for a guardian during her time here.
>
> :)
> Wendy
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:29:35 -0600
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Angel Morgana
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I called the lady I adopted her from and told her.  I felt really bad I
didn't take better care of her.

On 1/15/07, Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 10:40 PM 1/14/2007, you wrote:
>
>
> I am so very sorry. I sure do not think it was anything you did, those
are
> safe medications, You are not alone tonight, all of us are here with
you,
> and share in your loss and sadness.
> Kelly Lane
>
>
>  I'm so sad.  My little Morgana died less than an hour ago.  I noticed
> something was not right about the way she was lying and picked her up
and
> she was doing that awful head lolling thing and panting.  I stuck her
in a
> crate and drove as fast as I could to the emergency hospital but she
passed
> before I could get there.  I gaev her her meds earlier and I wonder if
she
> had a bad reaction...just 1/2 droppeful of amoxycillin and 1/2
periactin.  I
> feel like there was something I could have done to stop it.  My poor
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Re: Sanctuaries

2007-01-16 Thread Gussies mom

They don't have websites. I think that's so people don't do door dumps.
   
  Beth
  

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Can you send me the websites for the other two, if you have them?
  
Phaewryn
   
  http://ucat.us 
Adopt a New England FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html 
Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library):
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html


 
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RE: Angel Morgana

2007-01-16 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Dear Kelly
I'm so sorry to hear about Morgana. At least your sweet angel knew she
was dearly loved and did not die alone. Please know I'm thinking about
you,
love and hugs, Kerry M.
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:40 AM
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Subject: Angel Morgana

I'm so sad.  My little Morgana died less than an hour ago.  I noticed
something was not right about the way she was lying and picked her up
and she was doing that awful head lolling thing and panting.  I stuck
her in a crate and drove as fast as I could to the emergency hospital
but she passed before I could get there.  I gaev her her meds earlier
and I wonder if she had a bad reaction...just 1/2 droppeful of
amoxycillin and 1/2 periactin.  I feel like there was something I could
have done to stop it.  My poor little girl was only 3.  She is a white
persian with big beautiful eyes.  She is a tiny girl, just 5.25 pounds.

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Re: URI question

2007-01-16 Thread Kelley Saveika

I swear by zithro if they are really sick. Unless it is obvious they are
very sick though (not eating, etc) I would usually start with amoxycillin,
then go to clavamox, then go to zithro as a last resort. I don't have FELV+
cats though, so I don't know what that throws into the mix.

On 1/15/07, Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 05:32 PM 1/15/2007, you wrote:

Expired for how longPills or liquid. I will use pills and capsules for
almost a year after expiration dates,Don't tell anyone though, It is the
nurse thing in me and most pharmacists can't say it is ok but they tell me
it is,
liquids,,,no ,
I have a friend that swears by Zithromax,,,I will forward you a site where
to get these things without an Rx.I will get the Zithromax dosage from
her and forward it on.

http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?Page=2&name=B&sname=b&ptype=Brand&bysearch=
Kelly

Lucy and Patches both have URI's. I am giving them both Lysine, I-R
shots sub-q (which does not seem to be as effective as IV but I have not
wanted to take them to the vet, and Patches passed out last time someone
tried to do something IV to her), and have Lucy on amoxicillin (only abx she
can take without irritating her IBD) and Patches on clavamox. So far they
have had the URI's for about 4 days, and have been on abx for 3 days (Lucy)
and 2 days (Patches). I am used to URI's clearing up faster than this. I
used to use dox for URI's, but what I have is expired, my vet is out of
town, doubt the other guy would give it to me, and am afraid to give it to
Lucy at this point due to IBD. But with dox their symptoms used to clear up
within a day or so. The only time i have seen a URI go on this long was
with Ginger, who got a bad one after dental surgery and was sick for about 3
weeks despite doing a few abx, but once she got I-R (IV) twice it cleared
up.

My question is this: when your positive cats get URI's, is it typical that
the URI's would last this long (4 days) without getting a lot better? They
both have stuffy noses and Patches has runny eyes. The discharge is all
clear, though Patches seemed to have a tiny bit of yellow from one eye
earlier today. They are both eating (Lucy wasn't for a day or so before I-R
and abx), grooming, etc. Patches is also playing. But they can't seem to
kick the URI. I have a vicks vaporizer running too, and have used nose
drops every other day. They are functioning, and not very sick (knock on
wood) but it worries me that they are not getting better. Any thoughts
would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Michelle
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