Re: URI question
Hi Michelle, Can you call your vet, tell them what is going on with Patches and that you have clavomox left over from Lucy that you'd like to give her and ask how much she would need? I've done this with my vet many times. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Sanctuaries
the no website/petfinder site is a bigger red flag for me, for tiger ranch, than haven acres' not turning anyone away they're new, and since we don't know their capacity, they may well have room. they don't have very many cats listed on their petfinder page--far fewer than many rescues--so they may well be taking in mostly adoptables and turning them over. what concerns me about them, however, is that nowhere do they talk about being a special-needs sanctuary--which, obviously, FeLV (and some think, FIV) cats certainly are. they say that all their adoptables are FIV/FeLV neg, so they aren't adopting them out. what they say is that, Cats that are less adoptable due to age, temperment, or color have a safe, loving home at the sanctuary for the rest of there lives. grammar and spelling aside, no reference to disability or ongoing medical conditions at all makes me nervous, personally. On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No personal knowledge on any of them. However, I did a little quick research: Tiger Ranch reports 0 income and 0 assets and apparently hasnt filed a return since 2004. http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=228853 You may want to check further on their stability and compliance with laws relating to maintaining their non-profit status. Apparently no website or PetFinder site either. Rikki's Refuge looks like it might be worthwhile. From their website, Rikki's Refuge welcomes visitors to their sanctuary. That's always a good sign. http://www.rikkisrefuge.org Haven Acres has only been around since 2003. They claim never to turn anyone away. (Red flag.) They have a lot of cats listed on PetFinder and claim to feed exclusively Science Diet (no doubt the free to shelters and rescues program where you pay only shipping). http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/FL644.html I would be concerned that they are stretched too thin and this might not be a stable situation. Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone any first hand info or heard anything good or bad about the following sanctuaries: Tiger Ranch PA - We are sending 3 FeLV catsd there from a hoarding case Rikkis Refuge - VA Haven Acres FL Beth Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: URI question
I swear by zithro if they are really sick. Unless it is obvious they are very sick though (not eating, etc) I would usually start with amoxycillin, then go to clavamox, then go to zithro as a last resort. I don't have FELV+ cats though, so I don't know what that throws into the mix. On 1/15/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:32 PM 1/15/2007, you wrote: Expired for how longPills or liquid. I will use pills and capsules for almost a year after expiration dates,Don't tell anyone though, It is the nurse thing in me and most pharmacists can't say it is ok but they tell me it is, liquids,,,no , I have a friend that swears by Zithromax,,,I will forward you a site where to get these things without an Rx.I will get the Zithromax dosage from her and forward it on. http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?Page=2name=Bsname=bptype=Brandbysearch= Kelly Lucy and Patches both have URI's. I am giving them both Lysine, I-R shots sub-q (which does not seem to be as effective as IV but I have not wanted to take them to the vet, and Patches passed out last time someone tried to do something IV to her), and have Lucy on amoxicillin (only abx she can take without irritating her IBD) and Patches on clavamox. So far they have had the URI's for about 4 days, and have been on abx for 3 days (Lucy) and 2 days (Patches). I am used to URI's clearing up faster than this. I used to use dox for URI's, but what I have is expired, my vet is out of town, doubt the other guy would give it to me, and am afraid to give it to Lucy at this point due to IBD. But with dox their symptoms used to clear up within a day or so. The only time i have seen a URI go on this long was with Ginger, who got a bad one after dental surgery and was sick for about 3 weeks despite doing a few abx, but once she got I-R (IV) twice it cleared up. My question is this: when your positive cats get URI's, is it typical that the URI's would last this long (4 days) without getting a lot better? They both have stuffy noses and Patches has runny eyes. The discharge is all clear, though Patches seemed to have a tiny bit of yellow from one eye earlier today. They are both eating (Lucy wasn't for a day or so before I-R and abx), grooming, etc. Patches is also playing. But they can't seem to kick the URI. I have a vicks vaporizer running too, and have used nose drops every other day. They are functioning, and not very sick (knock on wood) but it worries me that they are not getting better. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: Angel Morgana
Dear Kelly I'm so sorry to hear about Morgana. At least your sweet angel knew she was dearly loved and did not die alone. Please know I'm thinking about you, love and hugs, Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:40 AM To: felvtalk Subject: Angel Morgana I'm so sad. My little Morgana died less than an hour ago. I noticed something was not right about the way she was lying and picked her up and she was doing that awful head lolling thing and panting. I stuck her in a crate and drove as fast as I could to the emergency hospital but she passed before I could get there. I gaev her her meds earlier and I wonder if she had a bad reaction...just 1/2 droppeful of amoxycillin and 1/2 periactin. I feel like there was something I could have done to stop it. My poor little girl was only 3. She is a white persian with big beautiful eyes. She is a tiny girl, just 5.25 pounds. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Sanctuaries
They don't have websites. I think that's so people don't do door dumps. Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you send me the websites for the other two, if you have them? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
RE: [SPAM] - Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 28 - Email found in subject
I am so sorry for your loss, it is extremely painful to watch them go through the final stage, yet being with them through it can strengthen the bond you had together in this life. I have lost so many to this horrible disease, but I did not let them die alone. Rehab Supervisor Home Health Services of Randolph Hospital [EMAIL PROTECTED] (336)633-7776 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [SPAM] - Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 28 - Email found in subject Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Angel Morgana (Kelley Saveika) 2. Re: Angel Morgana (Kelley Saveika) 3. Re: Angel Morgana (Kelley Saveika) 4. Re: Angel Morgana ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 5. Sanctuaries (Gussies mom) 6. Re: Angel Morgana ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 7. Re: Sanctuaries ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8. Re: Sanctuaries ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 9. OT: Updated my website links page, opinions? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 10. URI question ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 11. [FH] OT: thank you for all your support for 2006 (Hideyo Yamamoto) 12. felv cat. (Anna) 13. Re: felv cat. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 14. Re: felv cat. (Kelly L) 15. Re: URI question (Kelly L) 16. Re: felv cat. (Lance) 17. Re: URI question (Susan Hoffman) 18. Re: URI question (Kelly L) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:28:48 -0600 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Angel Morgana To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Wendy, She was at the vet a few weeks ago for a sinus infection. He noted a grade 3 dental needed and halitosis as well as 2/5 body condition scale. He put her on 1/2 dropperful of amoxycillin and 1/2 periactin every 12 hours, plus triple antiobiotic drops for her eyes. She got much better, but when I had a round of URI go around she got that, so I asked the vet and he said I could start her on 1/2 dropperful amoxycillin and 1/2 periactin every 12 hours again. It almost seemed like a reaction to the meds last night..but maybe I hadn't noticed her losing more weight...I talked to her doctor this morning and he said he wouldn't have anticipated this. On 1/15/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, I'm so sorry to hear that you lost little Morgana this morning. What a horrible thing to happen. Was Morgana perfectly healthy before this??? Again, I am so sorry this happened to her. She was lucky to have had you for a guardian during her time here. :) Wendy Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20070115/85fdd09b/att achment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:29:35 -0600 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Angel Morgana To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I called the lady I adopted her from and told her. I felt really bad I didn't take better care of her. On 1/15/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:40 PM 1/14/2007, you wrote: I am so very sorry. I sure do not think it was anything you did, those are safe medications, You are not alone tonight, all of us are here with you, and share in your loss and sadness. Kelly Lane I'm so sad. My little Morgana died less than an hour ago. I noticed something was not right about the way she was lying and picked her up and she was doing that awful head lolling thing and panting. I stuck her in a crate and drove as fast as I could to the emergency hospital but she passed before I could get there. I gaev her her meds earlier and I wonder if she had a bad reaction...just 1/2 droppeful of amoxycillin and 1/2 periactin. I feel like there was something I could have done to stop it. My poor little girl was only 3. She is a white persian with big beautiful
Re: Sanctuaries
most sanctuaries still have websites--they just don't have STREET addresses on them! our po box was three towns over from where the sanctuary actually was located, and people STILL managed to find us in the middle of the night to dump cats... it's really hard to make any decisions without any photos of the critters there, the facilities, etc--and that applies to the third place, too, which only shows photos of healthy kitties. not that having a website guarantees anything, of course--many of us are too aware of angel wings, who at one time WAS a legitimate sanctuary, but whose website certainly did not reflect the deterioration in conditions of either the physical environment nor that of the animals there. On 1/16/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They don't have websites. I think that's so people don't do door dumps. Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you send me the websites for the other two, if you have them? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Sanctuaries
WATCH POOR SPELLING! HUGE RED FLAG A PROFESSIONAL sanctuary will have PROFESSIONAL coorespondance! I posted a cat on Petfinder only to be contacted by someone whose employer wants to adopt my pet as a gift for his wifethe story was that the guy owned a car lot somewhere south and would pay to have the cat transported...Much of the e-mail was mis-spelled ...and had poor punctuation. I replied to the writter that I was certain he was a broker (most likely adopting free to a good home or inexpensive adoption fee animals to sell to universities...unrep. labs...or just for bait in fighting) mentioned something about hoping his member dropped off, and hit send. Never accept someone else's assessement of a sanctuary. Far too many of them get good reviews from rescuers and animal rescue organizations that have, although entrusted animals into their care, have never actuallly visited them in person. Too many of these organizations or people, start with the best intentions then become overwhelmed COLLECTORS. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS visit them yourselfor do not send an animal there. (I am speaking from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!) Good luck. T TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the no website/petfinder site is a bigger red flag for me, for tiger ranch, than haven acres' not turning anyone away they're new, and since we don't know their capacity, they may well have room. they don't have very many cats listed on their petfinder page--far fewer than many rescues--so they may well be taking in mostly adoptables and turning them over. what concerns me about them, however, is that nowhere do they talk about being a special-needs sanctuary--which, obviously, FeLV (and some think, FIV) cats certainly are. they say that all their adoptables are FIV/FeLV neg, so they aren't adopting them out. what they say is that, Cats that are less adoptable due to age, temperment, or color have a safe, loving home at the sanctuary for the rest of there lives. grammar and spelling aside, no reference to disability or ongoing medical conditions at all makes me nervous, personally. On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: No personal knowledge on any of them. However, I did a little quick research: Tiger Ranch reports 0 income and 0 assets and apparently hasnt filed a return since 2004. http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=228853 You may want to check further on their stability and compliance with laws relating to maintaining their non-profit status. Apparently no website or PetFinder site either. Rikki's Refuge looks like it might be worthwhile. From their website, Rikki's Refuge welcomes visitors to their sanctuary. That's always a good sign. http://www.rikkisrefuge.org Haven Acres has only been around since 2003. They claim never to turn anyone away. (Red flag.) They have a lot of cats listed on PetFinder and claim to feed exclusively Science Diet (no doubt the free to shelters and rescues program where you pay only shipping). http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/FL644.html I would be concerned that they are stretched too thin and this might not be a stable situation. Gussies mom wrote: Has anyone any first hand info or heard anything good or bad about the following sanctuaries: Tiger Ranch PA - We are sending 3 FeLV catsd there from a hoarding case Rikkis Refuge - VA Haven Acres FL Beth Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: Sanctuaries
I have to agree. Even places that start well can fall apart quickly. (The place in Florida that claims to never turn a cat away and has only been around since 2003 really concerns me. If they're not in trouble yet, they will be.) I have seen just a tiny handful of really wonderful sanctuaries. They do not advertise. They are almost always full. They typically expect a fee if it's an owner turn-in situation -- after all, they are offering to provide lifetime care -- but may help out rescue groups if space and resources permit. Want to test the sanctuaries you listed? Have someone call and email, pretending to be a member of the public who, for some good reason, absolutely must rehome a special needs cat. See how the sanctuary responds. (And please let us know.) This should tell you a lot. tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WATCH POOR SPELLING! HUGE RED FLAG A PROFESSIONAL sanctuary will have PROFESSIONAL coorespondance! I posted a cat on Petfinder only to be contacted by someone whose employer wants to adopt my pet as a gift for his wifethe story was that the guy owned a car lot somewhere south and would pay to have the cat transported...Much of the e-mail was mis-spelled ...and had poor punctuation. I replied to the writter that I was certain he was a broker (most likely adopting free to a good home or inexpensive adoption fee animals to sell to universities...unrep. labs...or just for bait in fighting) mentioned something about hoping his member dropped off, and hit send. Never accept someone else's assessement of a sanctuary. Far too many of them get good reviews from rescuers and animal rescue organizations that have, although entrusted animals into their care, have never actuallly visited them in person. Too many of these organizations or people, start with the best intentions then become overwhelmed COLLECTORS. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS visit them yourselfor do not send an animal there. (I am speaking from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!) Good luck. T TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the no website/petfinder site is a bigger red flag for me, for tiger ranch, than haven acres' not turning anyone away they're new, and since we don't know their capacity, they may well have room. they don't have very many cats listed on their petfinder page--far fewer than many rescues--so they may well be taking in mostly adoptables and turning them over. what concerns me about them, however, is that nowhere do they talk about being a special-needs sanctuary--which, obviously, FeLV (and some think, FIV) cats certainly are. they say that all their adoptables are FIV/FeLV neg, so they aren't adopting them out. what they say is that, Cats that are less adoptable due to age, temperment, or color have a safe, loving home at the sanctuary for the rest of there lives. grammar and spelling aside, no reference to disability or ongoing medical conditions at all makes me nervous, personally. On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: No personal knowledge on any of them. However, I did a little quick research: Tiger Ranch reports 0 income and 0 assets and apparently hasnt filed a return since 2004. http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=228853 You may want to check further on their stability and compliance with laws relating to maintaining their non-profit status. Apparently no website or PetFinder site either. Rikki's Refuge looks like it might be worthwhile. From their website, Rikki's Refuge welcomes visitors to their sanctuary. That's always a good sign. http://www.rikkisrefuge.org Haven Acres has only been around since 2003. They claim never to turn anyone away. (Red flag.) They have a lot of cats listed on PetFinder and claim to feed exclusively Science Diet (no doubt the free to shelters and rescues program where you pay only shipping). http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/FL644.html I would be concerned that they are stretched too thin and this might not be a stable situation. Gussies mom wrote: Has anyone any first hand info or heard anything good or bad about the following sanctuaries: Tiger Ranch PA - We are sending 3 FeLV catsd there from a hoarding case Rikkis Refuge - VA Haven Acres FL Beth Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: Sanctuaries
i don't think that rikki's has been around all that long, tho--i started working at the sanctuary here in late 2002, and i'm pretty sure they started up after that--so much depends on what went into the process of starting up and planning and putting things into practice! On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree. Even places that start well can fall apart quickly. (The place in Florida that claims to never turn a cat away and has only been around since 2003 really concerns me. If they're not in trouble yet, they will be.) I have seen just a tiny handful of really wonderful sanctuaries. They do not advertise. They are almost always full. They typically expect a fee if it's an owner turn-in situation -- after all, they are offering to provide lifetime care -- but may help out rescue groups if space and resources permit. Want to test the sanctuaries you listed? Have someone call and email, pretending to be a member of the public who, for some good reason, absolutely must rehome a special needs cat. See how the sanctuary responds. (And please let us know.) This should tell you a lot. tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WATCH POOR SPELLING! HUGE RED FLAG A PROFESSIONAL sanctuary will have PROFESSIONAL coorespondance! I posted a cat on Petfinder only to be contacted by someone whose employer wants to adopt my pet as a gift for his wifethe story was that the guy owned a car lot somewhere south and would pay to have the cat transported...Much of the e-mail was mis-spelled ...and had poor punctuation. I replied to the writter that I was certain he was a broker (most likely adopting free to a good home or inexpensive adoption fee animals to sell to universities...unrep. labs...or just for bait in fighting) mentioned something about hoping his member dropped off, and hit send. Never accept someone else's assessement of a sanctuary. Far too many of them get good reviews from rescuers and animal rescue organizations that have, although entrusted animals into their care, have never actuallly visited them in person. Too many of these organizations or people, start with the best intentions then become overwhelmed COLLECTORS. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS visit them yourselfor do not send an animal there. (I am speaking from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!) Good luck. T TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the no website/petfinder site is a bigger red flag for me, for tiger ranch, than haven acres' not turning anyone away they're new, and since we don't know their capacity, they may well have room. they don't have very many cats listed on their petfinder page--far fewer than many rescues--so they may well be taking in mostly adoptables and turning them over. what concerns me about them, however, is that nowhere do they talk about being a special-needs sanctuary--which, obviously, FeLV (and some think, FIV) cats certainly are. they say that all their adoptables are FIV/FeLV neg, so they aren't adopting them out. what they say is that, Cats that are less adoptable due to age, temperment, or color have a safe, loving home at the sanctuary for the rest of there lives. grammar and spelling aside, no reference to disability or ongoing medical conditions at all makes me nervous, personally. On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: No personal knowledge on any of them. However, I did a little quick research: Tiger Ranch reports 0 income and 0 assets and apparently hasnt filed a return since 2004. http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=228853 You may want to check further on their stability and compliance with laws relating to maintaining their non-profit status. Apparently no website or PetFinder site either. Rikki's Refuge looks like it might be worthwhile. From their website, Rikki's Refuge welcomes visitors to their sanctuary. That's always a good sign. http://www.rikkisrefuge.org Haven Acres has only been around since 2003. They claim never to turn anyone away. (Red flag.) They have a lot of cats listed on PetFinder and claim to feed exclusively Science Diet (no doubt the free to shelters and rescues program where you pay only shipping). http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/FL644.html I would be concerned that they are stretched too thin and this might not be a stable situation. Gussies mom wrote: Has anyone any first hand info or heard anything good or bad about the following sanctuaries: Tiger Ranch PA - We are sending 3 FeLV catsd there from a hoarding case Rikkis Refuge - VA Haven Acres FL Beth Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -- Spay
Re: Sanctuaries
Haha! I'll email them, if no one else wants to... and pretend to be giving up my cat. LOL! That sounds immensely fun! (how many of us rescuers ever get the chance to be on the other end, LOL) Hi, my name is Julia, and I have to get rid of my cat because my new husband is allergic to him, plus I'm pregnant and don't want to catch toxoplasmosis from him or have him lay on my baby and suffocate it. He doesn't use his litterbox all the time, and my husband says it's him or the cat. He is a good kitty, but he has cat AIDS. He's never been sick so far though. He's never been around kids and is scared of dogs. He's neutered and four paw declawed. Can you take him? I have to get rid of him ASAP! His name is Shadow and he's a solid black shorthaired cat. How's that? ...LOL, did I forget anything? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Sanctuaries
that's MEAN, phaewyrn--you KNOW how much we hate to get emails like that, and how hard we have to work to be polite to the people (?) who send them! On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haha! I'll email them, if no one else wants to... and pretend to be giving up my cat. LOL! That sounds immensely fun! (how many of us rescuers ever get the chance to be on the other end, LOL) Hi, my name is Julia, and I have to get rid of my cat because my new husband is allergic to him, plus I'm pregnant and don't want to catch toxoplasmosis from him or have him lay on my baby and suffocate it. He doesn't use his litterbox all the time, and my husband says it's him or the cat. He is a good kitty, but he has cat AIDS. He's never been sick so far though. He's never been around kids and is scared of dogs. He's neutered and four paw declawed. Can you take him? I have to get rid of him ASAP! His name is Shadow and he's a solid black shorthaired cat. How's that? ...LOL, did I forget anything? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Sanctuaries
Make him a ten-year old solid black shorthaired cat who doesn't get along well with other cats. Or maybe a former feral. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's MEAN, phaewyrn--you KNOW how much we hate to get emails like that, and how hard we have to work to be polite to the people (?) who send them! On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haha! I'll email them, if no one else wants to... and pretend to be giving up my cat. LOL! That sounds immensely fun! (how many of us rescuers ever get the chance to be on the other end, LOL) Hi, my name is Julia, and I have to get rid of my cat because my new husband is allergic to him, plus I'm pregnant and don't want to catch toxoplasmosis from him or have him lay on my baby and suffocate it. He doesn't use his litterbox all the time, and my husband says it's him or the cat. He is a good kitty, but he has cat AIDS. He's never been sick so far though. He's never been around kids and is scared of dogs. He's neutered and four paw declawed. Can you take him? I have to get rid of him ASAP! His name is Shadow and he's a solid black shorthaired cat. How's that? ...LOL, did I forget anything? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Sanctuaries
hey, phaewyrn, that's the one with ringworm, right? On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make him a ten-year old solid black shorthaired cat who doesn't get along well with other cats. Or maybe a former feral. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's MEAN, phaewyrn--you KNOW how much we hate to get emails like that, and how hard we have to work to be polite to the people (?) who send them! On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haha! I'll email them, if no one else wants to... and pretend to be giving up my cat. LOL! That sounds immensely fun! (how many of us rescuers ever get the chance to be on the other end, LOL) Hi, my name is Julia, and I have to get rid of my cat because my new husband is allergic to him, plus I'm pregnant and don't want to catch toxoplasmosis from him or have him lay on my baby and suffocate it. He doesn't use his litterbox all the time, and my husband says it's him or the cat. He is a good kitty, but he has cat AIDS. He's never been sick so far though. He's never been around kids and is scared of dogs. He's neutered and four paw declawed. Can you take him? I have to get rid of him ASAP! His name is Shadow and he's a solid black shorthaired cat. How's that? ...LOL, did I forget anything? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Sanctuaries
My friend brought an FIV positive feral to Tiger Ranch a little over a year ago. She said it wasn't a bad place for ferals as they all looked healthy. She said new ferals were kept inside until the spring. Once the warmer weather appeared they were permitted to roam.However, she said the tame cats didn't look as healthy; many had URIs. She said the people (or person) there were nice but appeared to be a bit overwhelmed. Based on what she saw she said that she would not bring a tame cat there but she would bring another feral if she had to. Don't know what their current situation is like. Renee
urgent-- fever advice needed
I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
*Personally, I think I would take her to the ER. My Sarah ended up with vision problems from a fever that high. 99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal range.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Take her to the ER. That's too high and it could get even higher as the night wears on. Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Personally, I think I would take her to the ER. My Sarah ended up with vision problems from a fever that high. 99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal range. Leslie =^..^= On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
*Michelle, I looked up a few things and found this on * http://cats.about.com/library/howto/httaketemp.htm: *Tips:* 1. This project will be much easier if you have someone to hold the cat and pet it while you lift her tail and insert the thermometer. 2. A temperature of 105°F is a dangerous level and your cat should be seen by a veterinarian immediately. If it's between 103°F and 104.5°F, you should call your veterinarian for advice. 3. A digital thermometer will be easier to read, and will beep when ready to be read. On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
I just took her temp again and it is down from 105.7 to 105.3 in about half an hour. I also just gave her 1/4 baby aspirin. I have been prepared to take her to the ER, waiting for Gray to get home from work to go with me (he is on way). Now that it is going down some on its own and fluids probably have not really started absorbing, do you think I can wait and monitor and see if it keeps going down? Or do you think that I should go immediately, still? thanks, Michelle
RE: urgent-- fever advice needed
I don't PERSONALLY worry too much unless fever last more than a couple of days - if the temp is below normal - it's an urgent situation and you need to do everything you can to bring it up.. but when a temp is high, the body is trying to fight something against and it's not necessarily a BAD thing (in alternative medicine thinking anyway) - I have had several cats who has had a temp over 106.5 (yes scary) - but I gave a sub q fluid and put a cold towel around the body ---to bring it down --- there is non steroid antinflamatory to bring the fever down.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leslie Lawther Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Personally, I think I would take her to the ER. My Sarah ended up with vision problems from a fever that high. 99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal range. Leslie =^..^= On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
RE: urgent-- fever advice needed
Michelle - I say wait - there really isn't anything they can do to cure the problem - give some time as it often times goes down.. keep her cool --- but wait you don't want to stress her too much .. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed I just took her temp again and it is down from 105.7 to 105.3 in about half an hour. I also just gave her 1/4 baby aspirin. I have been prepared to take her to the ER, waiting for Gray to get home from work to go with me (he is on way). Now that it is going down some on its own and fluids probably have not really started absorbing, do you think I can wait and monitor and see if it keeps going down? Or do you think that I should go immediately, still? thanks, Michelle
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
I took her temp again and it is down to 105.0 (was 105.7, then 105.3) and she fought me this time, then ate some of her raw food afterwards (I brought it to her, she still is just laying curled up). At this point I am going to wait a half hour and take it again and see if it is down more. Over 105 is dangerous according to info I found on the internet, and below 104.5 can wait for a regular vet appointment. If it goes down below 104.5 in the next hour or so I think I will wait and take her to the regular vet tomorrow (monitoring her temp through the night of course). If it doesn't I will take her to the ER. The ER is 45 minutes away, though, and they always insist on keeping them overnight, and she gets really stressed. I think the plusses of going to the ER are 1) they can do IV fluids which are faster than sub-q, and 2) they can give a dex shot, which can help bring it down fast. Everything else they would do I am doing, and the sub q fluids should start absorbing. Thank you everyone for advice, and please offer more if you have it-- and tell me if you think I am doing the wrong thing, please. I am totally stressed out right now. I am glad I did not take her to the ER right away because 1) I would still be in the car and her fever would not be being treated and probably would not have come down, 2) stress can actually increase fever in a cat, and 3) I am way to stressed and fatigued to drive all that way at night with her screaming next to me without risking an accident. At least if her fever is not down in an hour or so Gray should be home and can drive us. Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 7:26:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle – I say wait – there really isn’t anything they can do to cure the problem – give some time as it often times goes down.. keep her cool --- but wait you don’t want to stress her too much ..
Re: URI question
Yes, I think you may be right, for FELV (or FIV) positives, probably putting them on the antibiotics immediately makes sense... just make sure it's a very broad spectrum one with few resistant bacteria. Amoxicillin, IMO, is pointless. But for healthy cats not at risk, I think waiting it out makes more sense. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Sanctuaries
Thanks for that inside view about Tiger Ranch Renee! I see you're still around! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
At 03:57 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote: Cats can easily go up to 106.5 their normal is much higher than ours, I do the fluids it helps so muchBe careful about the Asprin..there are other meds to reduce the fever should it be necessary , Fluids as you have been doing are the best, The fever is only secondary to the other issues which are more important, Eating,, Peeing general lethargypain ..those are all more critical, If it does not go up higher and it starts to come down I might hold off if there are no other symptoms. the cool wraps suggested by Hideyo are good also, Stress also raises the temp so be aware of putting hard objects in soft bottoms,, too often Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Kelly I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 1/16/2007
Re: O/T
Helene, I'm way behind on my email and hope this post finds Delilah feeling better and eating more. tonya Helene Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all, I don't communicate nearly as often as I should, but I read the posts and keep up with you guys. My 16 year old siamese, Delilah,is not eating well at all- her son, Sammy died this summer as a result of FELV-he lived to be 15, though!!! with many thanks to advice and love on this list- so she is still grieving for him. She only weighs 6 pounds and is very petite.I give her any canned food she will eat-she has sworn off of her dry science diet, etc. At this point, she only likes certain few fancy feast turkey and chicken mixtures, and (people) bumblebee tuna, and beechnut baby chicken and turkey and beef meats. (no onion). Canned chicken, too. I have an array of foods in the cabinet for her!! Also likes Tyson's already cooked chicken breasts which we share. The vet has suggested cyproheptadine (periactin- an antihistimine) as an appetite stimulant 2 mg. twice daily. She is also on tapizole 2 mg. 2 times daily for hyperthyroidism. Her coat looks great, now, and no knobby spine!! She absolutely hates being pilled. I have to mummy her. I am trying the pill pouches, -she hates them,too- I have the tapizole in pill form, also in a transdermal gel, but her ears are looking inflamed on the inside from the gel, so stopped that. Now I have ordered the tapizole in a suspension from an on line vet. pharmacy in Texas. I have a good compounding pharmacy locally, but they do not make the tapizole in a suspension. My question is, has anyone tried periactin for an appetite stimulant?? She has been on it 4 days and is eating better, I think. Are there any side effects? Any suggestions? Stumbled across this link by accident, and found alot of little nuggets of info., so wanted to share. Helene http://www.thensome.com/cats.htm
Re: Antonio
Elizabeth, I just feed ALL my cats the prescription diet. I use royal canin s/o which is for both types of crystals. It's expensive, but I can't separate everyone's food.. t elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Kerry. ***RANT ALERT (from a crazy nicotine addict in withdrawel)*** I've always been very happy with my vet's officebut I came very close to opening up a can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bit ago. Those slap-happy receptionist people are USELESS. If I had not asked a stream of questions I would have left there not knowing a d*mn thing about his condition or how serious it is. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] technician brought poor 22lb Antonio out ON HIS BACK (he NEVER likes to be carried that way)...and he was in SO much pain. He just peed everywhere, bless his little heart. He was screaming. This they did before I even had time to check out or talk to the vet or do anything. Once they finally put him down and let me hold him - he was a perfect angel and didn't even pee on my silk shirt. He loves his mommy. Then they forgot to give me the medicine he needs so I had to go back and get it. They wouldn't have given me the special food if I had not said -- doesn't he need some special prescription food too? The whole time they are just as slaphappy as they can be yapping up a storm about how somebody did their hair or how cute some guy is or who did their nails. Little do they know just how close they were to a big can opening. I did my best to be gracious - but I am telling you - I STILL feel like going back down there! That's my BABY! It's serious because there are so many crystals in his urine that he could have a complete blockage at any timeso I have to watch him carefully and make sure he only eats HIS food and nobody else eats his food. Maybe it's just the 8 days without nicotine but I honestly wanted to shake all of them and just pop their heads together. Plus, it didn't help that my regular vet wasn't there. The one who was there is very competent...but refused to give Antonio anything for pain saying that the anti-inflammatory was enough for his pain. I hope he gets this same condition and only gets a steriod shot. *** END RANT ALERT *** Sorry -- it's going to take a few minutes before I can be nice again. I promise, I'll try very hard. elizabeth On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending positive vibes for your little Antonio--what a great and noble name!-- to start to feel better now he's had the steroid and antibiotics. hugs Kerryx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Antonio Thank you, Phaewryn. I just talked to the vet. Antonio has a lot of struvite crystals in his urine...and a lot of red and white blood cells as well. No blockage - thank goodness -- but I need to be on the lookout for that. They gave him a steroid for the inflammation and a shot of antibiotics -- I think we'll be doing antibiotics for at least 14 days. Wants me to change his diet to prescription c/dbut it bothers me that the 3rd ingredient in this catfood is corn gluten meal. Anyway - it's going to take some logistical ingenuity to figure out how to feed one cat one thing -- and seven others something else. We had recently switched to the chicken soup light formula...but the vet really does not think that is what caused it. I'm getting ready to go get the boy - just can't focus here at work without him. Dr. Jones saw him today and said that Antonio is SUCH a good kitty. and he is. elizabeth On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending healing vibes and positive energy for Antonio! Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Do you have a home sub-q fluids set up? If so, some cool fluids might help bring it down more. You can also wipe the foot pads with rubbing alcohol and blow on them, the evaporation lowers the body temperature (rinse them well with cold water after you're done, as the alcohol shouldn't be ingested). If you have a soft ice pack, you can lay it under her body. Personally, since she's been ill with URI, I would take her in tonight. They could put her on IV fluids, which should help both her fever and her nasal discharge (more fluids thins the secretions and eases congestion). Lemme see... high fever plus UR symptoms, plus eye discharge that would lean towards Herpes or Calici, the high fever eliminates just about everything uncommon. Did you look in her mouth for ulcers? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
I gave her fluids about an hour ago and assume that is part of what is bringing it down. I also have had an ice pack under her (she is on a sleeping bag and I have it under the sleeping bag under her) for the last hour or so. I have not tried the alcohol yet. How is calici treated? In a message dated 1/16/2007 8:10:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you have a home sub-q fluids set up? If so, some cool fluids might help bring it down more. You can also wipe the foot pads with rubbing alcohol and blow on them, the evaporation lowers the body temperature (rinse them well with cold water after you're done, as the alcohol shouldn't be ingested). If you have a soft ice pack, you can lay it under her body. Personally, since she's been ill with URI, I would take her in tonight. They could put her on IV fluids, which should help both her fever and her nasal discharge (more fluids thins the secretions and eases congestion). Lemme see... high fever plus UR symptoms, plus eye discharge that would lean towards Herpes or Calici, the high fever eliminates just about everything uncommon. Did you look in her mouth for ulcers? Phaewryn
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Her fever is now down to 104.5, and I realized that the ice was not cold through the sleeping bag so moved it above the sleeping bag next to her wrapped in a t-shirt. She ate more and seems more alert. I am actually surprised how alert she is given that her temp is still so high, though she is still laying in the same spot and has not moved other than to sit in a sphinx position from curled up (not a sick cat position, it's a normal position). She purred when I pet her, and when I moved the ice closer to her. I am still a stress basket, but am going to retemp her in an hour and see if it is still going down steadily. I called the ER and they said to do that and if it stops going down to bring her in. Michelle
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Usually just by antibiotics to kill secondary bacterial infections and any number of things for the oral ulcers... it's the lesser of the two main causes of URI. It usually doesn't have life-long respiratory effects like Herpes often does. Like I said, if you can get the Feline Interferon OMEGA (Virbagen), that's ideal, and it's been shown to resolve Stomatitis and Calici oral ulcers completely. The worst part of the calici is the oral ulcers, it's basically just like stomatitis, often the diagnosis is confused between the two. If all cats that had Stomatitis were DNA tested for calici, it's thought that upwards of 85% would be Calici positive. I'd go so far as to say, Calici is the #2 cause of Stomatitis, behind FIV (though a majority of FIV related Stomatitis may also be due to Calici, no studies done there yet, I don't believe). I'd add some extra Vitamin A into her diet, if her digestive system can handle it. It can't hurt anything. I have those FIV/Stomatitis Interferon Omega studies, if you're interested: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99lang=eng (slow loading) http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng Here's one about Calici: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188lang=eng Here's one that's very promising, an elderly cat with FIV and Uvetis (doesn't someone here have a cat fighting uvetis?): http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140lang=eng Here's the index of all Omega studies: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferonlang=eng (it's even cured a case of WET FIP!) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Yeah, you can actually put the ice right under her chest/belly, with only a hand towel or a sweatshirt between her and the ice. I once brought a kitten back from unconsciousness from a high fever by putting him DIRECTLY on a bag of frozen peas. (I rotated him often though) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Thanks. I don't want to stress her by looking in her mouth right now (am already taking temps hourly, has been half hourly), but she has not had any discomfort eating so I don't think she has oral ulcers. I hope not, anyway! She is having a slightly odd other symptom, though, and I can't find anything about it online. Her pupils seem to be dilating and contracting ever so slightly with each breath or heart beat, I can't tell which. Gray noticed it; it is so slight that I am not sure I would have noticed if he had not pointed it out. We can't get the other cats to hold our gaze long enough to tell if theirs do it, but we don't think so. She is not acting like her eyes are bothering her. Any ideas? Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 9:18:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usually just by antibiotics to kill secondary bacterial infections and any number of things for the oral ulcers... it's the lesser of the two main causes of URI. It usually doesn't have life-long respiratory effects like Herpes often does. Like I said, if you can get the Feline Interferon OMEGA (Virbagen), that's ideal, and it's been shown to resolve Stomatitis and Calici oral ulcers completely. The worst part of the calici is the oral ulcers, it's basically just like stomatitis, often the diagnosis is confused between the two. If all cats that had Stomatitis were DNA tested for calici, it's thought that upwards of 85% would be Calici positive. I'd go so far as to say, Calici is the #2 cause of Stomatitis, behind FIV (though a majority of FIV related Stomatitis may also be due to Calici, no studies done there yet, I don't believe). I'd add some extra Vitamin A into her diet, if her digestive system can handle it. It can't hurt anything. I have those FIV/Stomatitis Interferon Omega studies, if you're interested: _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99lang=eng) (slow loading) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189lang=eng) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96lang=eng) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97lang=eng) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93lang=eng) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng) Here's one about Calici: _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188lang=eng) Here's one that's very promising, an elderly cat with FIV and Uvetis (doesn't someone here have a cat fighting uvetis?): _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140lang=eng) Here's the index of all Omega studies: _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferonlang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferonlang=eng) (it's even cured a case of WET FIP!) Phaewryn
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
pupils contracting with heartbeat? humm... well, glaucoma comes to mind, and high blood pressure. But that's just my first thoughts, not based on anything I've heard of specifically.. let me see what I can come up with... I went to take a shower, that's why I was gone for a while.. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Well, her temp just read 102.5, and she ate more and is rubbing her head against me and purring, got up and used the litter box. her nose is cold an wet, and one ear has cooled down to normal, but the other ear, oddly enough, is still very hot. not sure what is going on, but am relieved she is improving, knock on wood. Thanks for all your support, Michelle
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Rhythmic pupil dilation is called hippus, and everyone that has an eye has it to an extent. The are conditions where it's off balance or too fast or too slow... here's what I found online: A good understanding of what affects pupil size is important in those unusual cases. First, the pupil is not a thing. It is an empty hole in the center of the iris. The iris, which forms the pupil, consists of a layer of cells containing the pigment melanin, which blocks the light, and two sets of muscles. A ring shaped muscle called the sphincter closes the pupil, and a radial set of muscle fibers called the dilator opens it. Primary input to the sphincter is from the parasympathetic (relaxing) branch of the autonomic nervous system, whereas the dilator is controlled by the sympathetic branch (fighting). Pupil size is primarily determined by the balance between actions of the two branches of the autonomic nervous system. The most important factor that affects pupil size is light. When light is detected by the photoreceptors in the eyes, information is sent via the optic nerve and tract to nuclei in the mid-brain and then on to the Edinger-Wesphal nucleus. Signals to the dilator and sphincter muscles are generated as a result to activity in this nucleus, but other sources of neural innervation beyond those produced by light can also alter activity in this nucleus. Because the coordination required to keep the two systems in balance is not perfect, the pupil is in a constant state of unrest. This is called hippus or pupillary athetosis. Normal hippus is difficult to detect, but exaggerated hippus can result from various pathological states including drug intoxication. It is well known that cocaine affects the sympathetic nervous system and causes dilation, whereas the narcotic analgesics affect the parasympathetic system and cause constriction. Rhythmic pupillary dilation coincident with the pulse suggests aortic insufficiency (Landolfi's sign). LANDOLFI'S SIGN: in aortic regurgitation, systolic contraction and diastolic dilation of the pupil The only reference to hippus in felines I could find is that it's often a result of epilepsy and seizure... and high fevers can cause seizure... Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
At 07:26 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote: great...great..remember that a fever is natures way of killing unwanted guests, Certain bacteria and virus's have a narrow temp range so was the body heats up many little bugs die, Fevers in them selves are not dangerous unless they are outrageously high. Fluids are always my stand by for a cat that will not eat, a cat with a URI...loosens secretions and keeps the rest of the body functioning well and great for general comfort,,Good kidney function, flushes toxins,,etc So good to hear Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Well, her temp just read 102.5, and she ate more and is rubbing her head against me and purring, got up and used the litter box. her nose is cold an wet, and one ear has cooled down to normal, but the other ear, oddly enough, is still very hot. not sure what is going on, but am relieved she is improving, knock on wood. Thanks for all your support, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 1/16/2007
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Good, glad she is better! High fevers can be really miserable! Especially when you feel bad to begin with! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Thanks, Phaerwyn. That sounds scary. I am not sure what to think. It is not very exaggerated, but it does seem to happen with her pulse. In a message dated 1/16/2007 10:34:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rhythmic pupil dilation is called hippus, and everyone that has an eye has it to an extent. The are conditions where it's off balance or too fast or too slow... here's what I found online: A good understanding of what affects pupil size is important in those unusual cases. First, the pupil is not a thing. It is an empty hole in the center of the iris. The iris, which forms the pupil, consists of a layer of cells containing the pigment melanin, which blocks the light, and two sets of muscles. A ring shaped muscle called the sphincter closes the pupil, and a radial set of muscle fibers called the dilator opens it. Primary input to the sphincter is from the parasympathetic (relaxing) branch of the autonomic nervous system, whereas the dilator is controlled by the sympathetic branch (fighting). Pupil size is primarily determined by the balance between actions of the two branches of the autonomic nervous system. The most important factor that affects pupil size is light. When light is detected by the photoreceptors in the eyes, information is sent via the optic nerve and tract to nuclei in the mid-brain and then on to the Edinger-Wesphal nucleus. Signals to the dilator and sphincter muscles are generated as a result to activity in this nucleus, but other sources of neural innervation beyond those produced by light can also alter activity in this nucleus. Because the coordination required to keep the two systems in balance is not perfect, the pupil is in a constant state of unrest. This is called hippus or _pupillary athetosis_ (http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_hl_dorlands.jspzQzpgzEzzSzppdocszSzuszSzcommonzSzdorlandszSzdorlandzSzdmd_a_70zPzhtm#1216690 9) . Normal hippus is difficult to detect, but exaggerated hippus can result from various pathological states including drug intoxication. It is well known that cocaine affects the sympathetic nervous system and causes dilation, whereas the narcotic analgesics affect the parasympathetic system and cause constriction. Rhythmic pupillary dilation coincident with the pulse suggests aortic insufficiency (Landolfi's sign). LANDOLFI'S SIGN: in aortic regurgitation, systolic contraction and diastolic dilation of the pupil The only reference to hippus in felines I could find is that it's often a result of epilepsy and seizure... and high fevers can cause seizure... Phaewryn
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Kelly is absolutely right, you should see her body's temperature as a sign that her body is functioning as designed, as we were just discussing the possibility of secondary bacterial infections... perhaps she just killed it all herself! The only bad thing about fever is when it gets too high, it can cause seizures and organ failure. Plus, it makes them feel bad, and they will go off their food, and not drink enough. But no, a fever in itself is not a bad thing, as Kelly pointed out; in fact, it's probably EXACTLY what her body needed to kill off those secondary bacteria from her URI. Thanks for pointing that out Kelly, you are absolutely right! (and it had not occurred to me) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Phaerwyn, given what you found about rhythmic pupil dilation, do you think I should be worried about that? If her fever is down in the morning do you think I should take her in to the vet to check that out?
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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is my email/replies getting to this email/group - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
well guess what ? - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed is my email/replies getting to this email/group - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
god bye. - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed well guess what ? - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed is my email/replies getting to this email/group - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Anna, you had several very nice replies to your question, which and some good suggestions... You have to look at the subject of the message, and follow that thread, to see your replies. Hope your kitty is doing better, we all understand and sympathize. Gloria On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Anna wrote: god bye. - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed well guess what ? - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed is my email/replies getting to this email/group - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Antonio
I'll have to check on that food when I am sure Antonio is in the clear. The vet tried to tell me that if I ever took Antonio off of this diet, his crystals would come right back...and he told me that if I gave this food to everyone that they could get the other type of crystals. Everyone has been very good about adapting to a schedule - but I just feel like I can never go out to eat after work..or go by the store...or do anything because I feel like they are all just starving by the time I get home. On 1/16/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, I just feed ALL my cats the prescription diet. I use royal canin s/o which is for both types of crystals. It's expensive, but I can't separate everyone's food.. t *elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Thank you, Kerry. ***RANT ALERT (from a crazy nicotine addict in withdrawel)*** I've always been very happy with my vet's officebut I came very close to opening up a can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bit ago. Those slap-happy receptionist people are USELESS. If I had not asked a stream of questions I would have left there not knowing a d*mn thing about his condition or how serious it is. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] technician brought poor 22lb Antonio out ON HIS BACK (he NEVER likes to be carried that way)...and he was in SO much pain. He just peed everywhere, bless his little heart. He was screaming. This they did before I even had time to check out or talk to the vet or do anything. Once they finally put him down and let me hold him - he was a perfect angel and didn't even pee on my silk shirt. He loves his mommy. Then they forgot to give me the medicine he needs so I had to go back and get it. They wouldn't have given me the special food if I had not said -- doesn't he need some special prescription food too? The whole time they are just as slaphappy as they can be yapping up a storm about how somebody did their hair or how cute some guy is or who did their nails. Little do they know just how close they were to a big can opening. I did my best to be gracious - but I am telling you - I STILL feel like going back down there! That's my BABY! It's serious because there are so many crystals in his urine that he could have a complete blockage at any timeso I have to watch him carefully and make sure he only eats HIS food and nobody else eats his food. Maybe it's just the 8 days without nicotine but I honestly wanted to shake all of them and just pop their heads together. Plus, it didn't help that my regular vet wasn't there. The one who was there is very competent...but refused to give Antonio anything for pain saying that the anti-inflammatory was enough for his pain. I hope he gets this same condition and only gets a steriod shot. *** END RANT ALERT *** Sorry -- it's going to take a few minutes before I can be nice again. I promise, I'll try very hard. elizabeth On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending positive vibes for your little Antonio--what a great and noble name!-- to start to feel better now he's had the steroid and antibiotics. hugs Kerryx -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Antonio Thank you, Phaewryn. I just talked to the vet. Antonio has a lot of struvite crystals in his urine...and a lot of red and white blood cells as well. No blockage - thank goodness -- but I need to be on the lookout for that. They gave him a steroid for the inflammation and a shot of antibiotics -- I think we'll be doing antibiotics for at least 14 days. Wants me to change his diet to prescription c/dbut it bothers me that the 3rd ingredient in this catfood is corn gluten meal. Anyway - it's going to take some logistical ingenuity to figure out how to feed one cat one thing -- and seven others something else. We had recently switched to the chicken soup light formula...but the vet really does not think that is what caused it. I'm getting ready to go get the boy - just can't focus here at work without him. Dr. Jones saw him today and said that Antonio is SUCH a good kitty. and he is. elizabeth On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending healing vibes and positive energy for Antonio! Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
No, I don't think it's anything to worry about. Just watch her for other signs of seizures, or for other eye symptoms. Sorry I disappeared again, was doing dishes. Try touching the outside of her eyelid, just put your thumb over it and put a very light pressure on her eyeball through her eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain response (screams, swats at you, growls, hisses), then I'd take her in, if she just pulls back annoyed, I wouldn't worry. Just watch for pain and signs of her losing her vision. Like, for example if she doesn't close her eye as your thumb approaches... she might not be seeing it. But, you might want to take her in anyways, if you need antibiotics for the URI. I'd probably take the wait and see approach though, if she's not improving by Friday, take her in before the weekend. Do you have more than one ice pack? If so, I'd leave one out for her as an option to lay on if she wants to. When that one defrosts, replace it with another, and put that one in the freezer, you know? Cats will seek out what feels good to them, if her fever comes back while you are asleep, if she has a cold place to lay down, she probably will lay there. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Antonio
Is it 'Royal Canin diet feline Urinary S/O'? Where do you buy it? The only place I've found it available online is in the UK... On 1/16/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, I just feed ALL my cats the prescription diet. I use royal canin s/o which is for both types of crystals. It's expensive, but I can't separate everyone's food.. t *elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Thank you, Kerry. ***RANT ALERT (from a crazy nicotine addict in withdrawel)*** I've always been very happy with my vet's officebut I came very close to opening up a can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bit ago. Those slap-happy receptionist people are USELESS. If I had not asked a stream of questions I would have left there not knowing a d*mn thing about his condition or how serious it is. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] technician brought poor 22lb Antonio out ON HIS BACK (he NEVER likes to be carried that way)...and he was in SO much pain. He just peed everywhere, bless his little heart. He was screaming. This they did before I even had time to check out or talk to the vet or do anything. Once they finally put him down and let me hold him - he was a perfect angel and didn't even pee on my silk shirt. He loves his mommy. Then they forgot to give me the medicine he needs so I had to go back and get it. They wouldn't have given me the special food if I had not said -- doesn't he need some special prescription food too? The whole time they are just as slaphappy as they can be yapping up a storm about how somebody did their hair or how cute some guy is or who did their nails. Little do they know just how close they were to a big can opening. I did my best to be gracious - but I am telling you - I STILL feel like going back down there! That's my BABY! It's serious because there are so many crystals in his urine that he could have a complete blockage at any timeso I have to watch him carefully and make sure he only eats HIS food and nobody else eats his food. Maybe it's just the 8 days without nicotine but I honestly wanted to shake all of them and just pop their heads together. Plus, it didn't help that my regular vet wasn't there. The one who was there is very competent...but refused to give Antonio anything for pain saying that the anti-inflammatory was enough for his pain. I hope he gets this same condition and only gets a steriod shot. *** END RANT ALERT *** Sorry -- it's going to take a few minutes before I can be nice again. I promise, I'll try very hard. elizabeth On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending positive vibes for your little Antonio--what a great and noble name!-- to start to feel better now he's had the steroid and antibiotics. hugs Kerryx -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Antonio Thank you, Phaewryn. I just talked to the vet. Antonio has a lot of struvite crystals in his urine...and a lot of red and white blood cells as well. No blockage - thank goodness -- but I need to be on the lookout for that. They gave him a steroid for the inflammation and a shot of antibiotics -- I think we'll be doing antibiotics for at least 14 days. Wants me to change his diet to prescription c/dbut it bothers me that the 3rd ingredient in this catfood is corn gluten meal. Anyway - it's going to take some logistical ingenuity to figure out how to feed one cat one thing -- and seven others something else. We had recently switched to the chicken soup light formula...but the vet really does not think that is what caused it. I'm getting ready to go get the boy - just can't focus here at work without him. Dr. Jones saw him today and said that Antonio is SUCH a good kitty. and he is. elizabeth On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending healing vibes and positive energy for Antonio! Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Thanks everyone. I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough the last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so I think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a lot, came to lay with me, purring etc. Sorry for all the emails. I appreciate the support and advice. Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 11:53:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain response
Re: felv cat.........
I am the one who posted it, if there are any questions. I would try chemo first and only do this if the cat comes out of remission (after trying rescue chemo drugs that can spur second remissions, like ccnu) or if the cat does not go into remission. But if chemo is not an option for one reason or another, I would then try this right away. Michelle In a message dated 1/17/2007 12:01:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps the DD cocktail could make him more comfortable. A list member here suggested this a long time ago, so just wanted to say that... I take no credit for this, I'm just re-posting her comments [slightly edited for clarity] Dexamethasone Depomedrol Lymphoma Cocktail: I have had several positives who got lymphoma. If you do stop the chemo at any point [or opt not to do chemo], rather than the natural [death] route, I would suggest doing combination shots of dexamethasone and depomedrol (1/2 cc each, as often as needed but can last up to a few weeks). The steroids are effective at shrinking lymphoma and make the cats feel really good physically and emotionally, and they usually do not have any short-term side effects. I have had cats who seemed on their death beds, not eating or drinking and hardly moving, who got up and ate within an hour of getting one of these shots. Others on this list [EMAIL PROTECTED] have had the same experience. It is not a conventional treatment for lymphoma, but I learned it from a vet whose practice uses these shots for all terminally ill cats, and she swears by them and says she has seen cats go months on these shots alone with lymphoma, feeling good. I would not do it instead of chemo, but if you need to stop the chemo for any reason. I convinced my cat's oncologist to try it, after he was at first resistant, and he was shocked at how effective it was. It's generally 1/2 cc dexamethasone mixed with 1/2 cc depomedrol. Normal dosage for each independently is a whole cc. Phaewryn
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
At 09:21 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote: Be nice...give her a break from temps. We only take patients temps every 4 hours at the most. Look at the kitty...not the numbers.. Sort of like we say at work, Look at the patient not the machines, So glad she is feeling better, Eating is a much better indication, Kelly Thanks everyone. I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough the last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so I think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a lot, came to lay with me, purring etc. Sorry for all the emails. I appreciate the support and advice. Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 11:53:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain response No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 1/16/2007
Re: Antonio
as it's a prescription diet, you probably need to have your vet call/fax a script this link has the details about the food http://www.royalcanin.us/vetdiet/felineurinary.html If you have a petsmart with an attached banfield clinic, they carry it - you'll need to have your vet call in the prescription and they'll give you a little card to use every time you buy it. I live in Madison WI and there are only 2 places in town I can get it - my vet's clinic and the one petsmart with a vet (the other one doesn't have a vet yet). here's a link to their royal canin's retailer finder - you want to select the vet diet (i.e. prescription food) http://www.royalcanin.us/retailer.html Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:13:09 PM Subject: Re: Antonio Is it 'Royal Canin diet feline Urinary S/O'? Where do you buy it? The only place I've found it available online is in the UK... On 1/16/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, I just feed ALL my cats the prescription diet. I use royal canin s/o which is for both types of crystals. It's expensive, but I can't separate everyone's food.. t elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Kerry. ***RANT ALERT (from a crazy nicotine addict in withdrawel)*** I've always been very happy with my vet's officebut I came very close to opening up a can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bit ago. Those slap-happy receptionist people are USELESS. If I had not asked a stream of questions I would have left there not knowing a d*mn thing about his condition or how serious it is. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] technician brought poor 22lb Antonio out ON HIS BACK (he NEVER likes to be carried that way)...and he was in SO much pain. He just peed everywhere, bless his little heart. He was screaming. This they did before I even had time to check out or talk to the vet or do anything. Once they finally put him down and let me hold him - he was a perfect angel and didn't even pee on my silk shirt. He loves his mommy. Then they forgot to give me the medicine he needs so I had to go back and get it. They wouldn't have given me the special food if I had not said -- doesn't he need some special prescription food too? The whole time they are just as slaphappy as they can be yapping up a storm about how somebody did their hair or how cute some guy is or who did their nails. Little do they know just how close they were to a big can opening. I did my best to be gracious - but I am telling you - I STILL feel like going back down there! That's my BABY! It's serious because there are so many crystals in his urine that he could have a complete blockage at any timeso I have to watch him carefully and make sure he only eats HIS food and nobody else eats his food. Maybe it's just the 8 days without nicotine but I honestly wanted to shake all of them and just pop their heads together. Plus, it didn't help that my regular vet wasn't there. The one who was there is very competent...but refused to give Antonio anything for pain saying that the anti-inflammatory was enough for his pain. I hope he gets this same condition and only gets a steriod shot. *** END RANT ALERT *** Sorry -- it's going to take a few minutes before I can be nice again. I promise, I'll try very hard. elizabeth On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending positive vibes for your little Antonio--what a great and noble name!-- to start to feel better now he's had the steroid and antibiotics. hugs Kerryx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Antonio Thank you, Phaewryn. I just talked to the vet. Antonio has a lot of struvite crystals in his urine...and a lot of red and white blood cells as well. No blockage - thank goodness -- but I need to be on the lookout for that. They gave him a steroid for the inflammation and a shot of antibiotics -- I think we'll be doing antibiotics for at least 14 days. Wants me to change his diet to prescription c/dbut it bothers me that the 3rd ingredient in this catfood is corn gluten meal. Anyway - it's going to take some logistical ingenuity to figure out how to feed one cat one thing -- and seven others something else. We had recently switched to the chicken soup light formula...but the vet really does not think that is what caused it. I'm getting ready to go get the boy - just can't focus here at work without him. Dr. Jones saw him today and said that Antonio is SUCH a good kitty. and he is. elizabeth On 1/8/07,
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OK, I guess it's available in more clinics than just my vet's (just did a search) but they'd still have to phone the script over and the petsmart has better hours. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:13:09 PM Subject: Re: Antonio Is it 'Royal Canin diet feline Urinary S/O'? Where do you buy it? The only place I've found it available online is in the UK... On 1/16/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, I just feed ALL my cats the prescription diet. I use royal canin s/o which is for both types of crystals. It's expensive, but I can't separate everyone's food.. t elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Kerry. ***RANT ALERT (from a crazy nicotine addict in withdrawel)*** I've always been very happy with my vet's officebut I came very close to opening up a can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bit ago. Those slap-happy receptionist people are USELESS. If I had not asked a stream of questions I would have left there not knowing a d*mn thing about his condition or how serious it is. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] technician brought poor 22lb Antonio out ON HIS BACK (he NEVER likes to be carried that way)...and he was in SO much pain. He just peed everywhere, bless his little heart. He was screaming. This they did before I even had time to check out or talk to the vet or do anything. Once they finally put him down and let me hold him - he was a perfect angel and didn't even pee on my silk shirt. He loves his mommy. Then they forgot to give me the medicine he needs so I had to go back and get it. They wouldn't have given me the special food if I had not said -- doesn't he need some special prescription food too? The whole time they are just as slaphappy as they can be yapping up a storm about how somebody did their hair or how cute some guy is or who did their nails. Little do they know just how close they were to a big can opening. I did my best to be gracious - but I am telling you - I STILL feel like going back down there! That's my BABY! It's serious because there are so many crystals in his urine that he could have a complete blockage at any timeso I have to watch him carefully and make sure he only eats HIS food and nobody else eats his food. Maybe it's just the 8 days without nicotine but I honestly wanted to shake all of them and just pop their heads together. Plus, it didn't help that my regular vet wasn't there. The one who was there is very competent...but refused to give Antonio anything for pain saying that the anti-inflammatory was enough for his pain. I hope he gets this same condition and only gets a steriod shot. *** END RANT ALERT *** Sorry -- it's going to take a few minutes before I can be nice again. I promise, I'll try very hard. elizabeth On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending positive vibes for your little Antonio--what a great and noble name!-- to start to feel better now he's had the steroid and antibiotics. hugs Kerryx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Antonio Thank you, Phaewryn. I just talked to the vet. Antonio has a lot of struvite crystals in his urine...and a lot of red and white blood cells as well. No blockage - thank goodness -- but I need to be on the lookout for that. They gave him a steroid for the inflammation and a shot of antibiotics -- I think we'll be doing antibiotics for at least 14 days. Wants me to change his diet to prescription c/dbut it bothers me that the 3rd ingredient in this catfood is corn gluten meal. Anyway - it's going to take some logistical ingenuity to figure out how to feed one cat one thing -- and seven others something else. We had recently switched to the chicken soup light formula...but the vet really does not think that is what caused it. I'm getting ready to go get the boy - just can't focus here at work without him. Dr. Jones saw him today and said that Antonio is SUCH a good kitty. and he is. elizabeth On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending healing vibes and positive energy for Antonio! Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the
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That's what I do too. The s/o NORMALIZES the pH of the urine which deals with both struvite and oxalate AND makes it OK for the kitty without the problem to eat it too. The only thing you really have to worry about is that the s/o is a pretty high calorie food. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:03:22 PM Subject: Re: Antonio Elizabeth, I just feed ALL my cats the prescription diet. I use royal canin s/o which is for both types of crystals. It's expensive, but I can't separate everyone's food.. t elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Kerry. ***RANT ALERT (from a crazy nicotine addict in withdrawel)*** I've always been very happy with my vet's officebut I came very close to opening up a can of [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bit ago. Those slap-happy receptionist people are USELESS. If I had not asked a stream of questions I would have left there not knowing a d*mn thing about his condition or how serious it is. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] technician brought poor 22lb Antonio out ON HIS BACK (he NEVER likes to be carried that way)...and he was in SO much pain. He just peed everywhere, bless his little heart. He was screaming. This they did before I even had time to check out or talk to the vet or do anything. Once they finally put him down and let me hold him - he was a perfect angel and didn't even pee on my silk shirt. He loves his mommy. Then they forgot to give me the medicine he needs so I had to go back and get it. They wouldn't have given me the special food if I had not said -- doesn't he need some special prescription food too? The whole time they are just as slaphappy as they can be yapping up a storm about how somebody did their hair or how cute some guy is or who did their nails. Little do they know just how close they were to a big can opening. I did my best to be gracious - but I am telling you - I STILL feel like going back down there! That's my BABY! It's serious because there are so many crystals in his urine that he could have a complete blockage at any timeso I have to watch him carefully and make sure he only eats HIS food and nobody else eats his food. Maybe it's just the 8 days without nicotine but I honestly wanted to shake all of them and just pop their heads together. Plus, it didn't help that my regular vet wasn't there. The one who was there is very competent...but refused to give Antonio anything for pain saying that the anti-inflammatory was enough for his pain. I hope he gets this same condition and only gets a steriod shot. *** END RANT ALERT *** Sorry -- it's going to take a few minutes before I can be nice again. I promise, I'll try very hard. elizabeth On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending positive vibes for your little Antonio--what a great and noble name!-- to start to feel better now he's had the steroid and antibiotics. hugs Kerryx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Antonio Thank you, Phaewryn. I just talked to the vet. Antonio has a lot of struvite crystals in his urine...and a lot of red and white blood cells as well. No blockage - thank goodness -- but I need to be on the lookout for that. They gave him a steroid for the inflammation and a shot of antibiotics -- I think we'll be doing antibiotics for at least 14 days. Wants me to change his diet to prescription c/dbut it bothers me that the 3rd ingredient in this catfood is corn gluten meal. Anyway - it's going to take some logistical ingenuity to figure out how to feed one cat one thing -- and seven others something else. We had recently switched to the chicken soup light formula...but the vet really does not think that is what caused it. I'm getting ready to go get the boy - just can't focus here at work without him. Dr. Jones saw him today and said that Antonio is SUCH a good kitty. and he is. elizabeth On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending healing vibes and positive energy for Antonio! Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or
