Re: [Felvtalk] URI and FIV
Hi Sandy, Very often what they have is the Herpes Virus which is VERY common in cats. They then have flareups every once in a while which manifest as an URI. You can add a supplement to their food called L-Lysine which will reduce the flareups and help with any current ones. I purchase this one from Amazon which is just a white powder I sprinkle on their food... https://www.amazon.com/Vetoquinol-Viralys-L-Lysine-Supplement-3-5oz/dp/B000FULBT4/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8=1539797038=8-1-fkmr0=vyralis+l-lysine Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URI and FIV Please don't get too freaked out about their URI's We have a lot of FIV cats at the shelter and they weather the URI's as well as the others...Yours may well too. I agree that they should have ABX if the infection has taken hold and particularly if there is green purulent exudate... If they are hard to pill a compounding pharmacy is a great idea ( always found liquids FAR easier to administer to uncooperative Kitties. thanks for your concern for these kitties... Bob > Subject: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent > Message-ID: <238687431.1.1539756882239@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help > minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? > > I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food > and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already > using? Sandy > gcm...@comcast.net > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 00:35:47 -0700 > From: Gloria To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Cc: gcm...@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent > Message-ID: <650b71e7-f77c-4084-97ae-1bc758001...@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and > suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I?m no vet, and > do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I > currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this > as only a layperson sharing?imho- you need a stronger solution as you > evaluate the risks. > So sorry you?re struggling with this, it?s hard, I know! > Gloria > > -g ?? > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: >> >> I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help >> minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? >> >> I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food >> and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already >> using? Sandy >> gcm...@comcast.net >> >> >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > -- > > Message: 4 > From: Sandy Millard To: , Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive > support urgent > Message-ID: <157934234.5.1539774293963@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"? > After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny > comfortable and make sure he eats good food. > I dread what is to come. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URI and FIV
Please don't get too freaked out about their URI's We have a lot of FIV cats at the shelter and they weather the URI's as well as the others...Yours may well too. I agree that they should have ABX if the infection has taken hold and particularly if there is green purulent exudate... If they are hard to pill a compounding pharmacy is a great idea ( always found liquids FAR easier to administer to uncooperative Kitties. thanks for your concern for these kitties... Bob Subject: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent Message-ID: <238687431.1.1539756882239@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? Sandy gcm...@comcast.net Sent from Xfinity Connect Application -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 00:35:47 -0700 From: Gloria To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: gcm...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent Message-ID: <650b71e7-f77c-4084-97ae-1bc758001...@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I?m no vet, and do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson sharing?imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. So sorry you?re struggling with this, it?s hard, I know! Gloria -g ?? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? Sandy gcm...@comcast.net Sent from Xfinity Connect Application ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Message: 4 From: Sandy Millard To: , Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent Message-ID: <157934234.5.1539774293963@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"? After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny comfortable and make sure he eats good food. I dread what is to come. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
How is Harley doing today? On Dec 20, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Harley is back in the hospital, where he has been for almost all of this week. Too much nasal discharge to get an NG tube back in at this time. I wish I hadn't taken him home last night. How do I know when he's getting over the hump? I don't want to keep pushing him and letting him get sicker and sicker, but he does still have some fight in him. Been on this roller coaster ride before. I didn't care for real roller coasters when I was a kid, and this is way worse. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
Thinking of you and Harley today, Marsha. On Dec 23, 2014 10:42 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: How is Harley doing today? On Dec 20, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Harley is back in the hospital, where he has been for almost all of this week. Too much nasal discharge to get an NG tube back in at this time. I wish I hadn't taken him home last night. How do I know when he's getting over the hump? I don't want to keep pushing him and letting him get sicker and sicker, but he does still have some fight in him. Been on this roller coaster ride before. I didn't care for real roller coasters when I was a kid, and this is way worse. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
Harley is still in the hospital, but improving. On Sunday, he groomed himself a little bit, first time in a week. Two attempts were made over the weekend to `put an NG tube in. First attempt failed because they had tried a lighter type sedation, and he fought it. The next day they tried heavier sedation, got it in, and once back in his cage, he pulled it out! He had one of the soft e-collars on. Thankfully, he has started eating some kibble. None of the most enticing wet foods had encouraged him, nor an appetite stimulant, not even a mouse (small frozen feeder purchased from pet store, and heated). His eyes were looking better yesterday, but his nose is still congested. Fever is gone. He gets fluids and some meds through IV. They also have a steam vaporizer going. Last night, in between pets, he batted at the roller clamp on the IV line. I am hoping to bring him home tomorrow. Consistently eating on his own is the key. Marsha On 12/23/2014 9:41 AM, Lance wrote: How is Harley doing today? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
Total of 10 days in the hospital at this point, with 2 trips home that lasted only a few hours each. The first trip was the first day, just brought him home with clavamox. At that point, the nasal part and the fever hadn't even started yet. Brought him back, and got an NG tube placed successfully, and he was on Clinicare nutrition for a week to get him through the worst of it. After a week, I brought him home, and he was OK for the first hour, but then (after I barely got Azithromycin into him) he started feeling pretty miserable, so after a few hours, I brought him back to the hospital. Marsha On 12/23/2014 1:30 PM, Marsha wrote: Harley is still in the hospital, but improving. On Sunday, he groomed himself a little bit, first time in a week. Two attempts were made over the weekend to `put an NG tube in. First attempt failed because they had tried a lighter type sedation, and he fought it. The next day they tried heavier sedation, got it in, and once back in his cage, he pulled it out! He had one of the soft e-collars on. Thankfully, he has started eating some kibble. None of the most enticing wet foods had encouraged him, nor an appetite stimulant, not even a mouse (small frozen feeder purchased from pet store, and heated). His eyes were looking better yesterday, but his nose is still congested. Fever is gone. He gets fluids and some meds through IV. They also have a steam vaporizer going. Last night, in between pets, he batted at the roller clamp on the IV line. I am hoping to bring him home tomorrow. Consistently eating on his own is the key. Marsha On 12/23/2014 9:41 AM, Lance wrote: How is Harley doing today? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
Lack of fever, eating a little is good, and playing with the roller clamp are all good signs. I hope he continues to improve (and eat some) and that he can come home in time for the holiday to recover with you. On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Total of 10 days in the hospital at this point, with 2 trips home that lasted only a few hours each. The first trip was the first day, just brought him home with clavamox. At that point, the nasal part and the fever hadn't even started yet. Brought him back, and got an NG tube placed successfully, and he was on Clinicare nutrition for a week to get him through the worst of it. After a week, I brought him home, and he was OK for the first hour, but then (after I barely got Azithromycin into him) he started feeling pretty miserable, so after a few hours, I brought him back to the hospital. Marsha On 12/23/2014 1:30 PM, Marsha wrote: Harley is still in the hospital, but improving. On Sunday, he groomed himself a little bit, first time in a week. Two attempts were made over the weekend to `put an NG tube in. First attempt failed because they had tried a lighter type sedation, and he fought it. The next day they tried heavier sedation, got it in, and once back in his cage, he pulled it out! He had one of the soft e-collars on. Thankfully, he has started eating some kibble. None of the most enticing wet foods had encouraged him, nor an appetite stimulant, not even a mouse (small frozen feeder purchased from pet store, and heated). His eyes were looking better yesterday, but his nose is still congested. Fever is gone. He gets fluids and some meds through IV. They also have a steam vaporizer going. Last night, in between pets, he batted at the roller clamp on the IV line. I am hoping to bring him home tomorrow. Consistently eating on his own is the key. Marsha On 12/23/2014 9:41 AM, Lance wrote: How is Harley doing today? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
HOPE HE CAN COME HOME TO STAY SOON. IT IS HARD ON YOU AND EVEN HARDER ON HIM. I SOMETIMES THINK THAT BEING AWAY FROM THEIR HOME AND NOT KNOWING IF THEY WILL EVER GO BACK HOME MUST MAKE MATTERS WORSE . IS IT POSSIBLE YOU COULD ISOLATE HIM IN A CAGE, HE WOULD BE SICK, BUT AT LEAST HE WILL BE HOME. WILL KEEP HIM IN MY PRAYERS AND YOU TOO. Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Lack of fever, eating a little is good, and playing with the roller clamp are all good signs. I hope he continues to improve (and eat some) and that he can come home in time for the holiday to recover with you. On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Total of 10 days in the hospital at this point, with 2 trips home that lasted only a few hours each. The first trip was the first day, just brought him home with clavamox. At that point, the nasal part and the fever hadn't even started yet. Brought him back, and got an NG tube placed successfully, and he was on Clinicare nutrition for a week to get him through the worst of it. After a week, I brought him home, and he was OK for the first hour, but then (after I barely got Azithromycin into him) he started feeling pretty miserable, so after a few hours, I brought him back to the hospital. Marsha On 12/23/2014 1:30 PM, Marsha wrote: Harley is still in the hospital, but improving. On Sunday, he groomed himself a little bit, first time in a week. Two attempts were made over the weekend to `put an NG tube in. First attempt failed because they had tried a lighter type sedation, and he fought it. The next day they tried heavier sedation, got it in, and once back in his cage, he pulled it out! He had one of the soft e-collars on. Thankfully, he has started eating some kibble. None of the most enticing wet foods had encouraged him, nor an appetite stimulant, not even a mouse (small frozen feeder purchased from pet store, and heated). His eyes were looking better yesterday, but his nose is still congested. Fever is gone. He gets fluids and some meds through IV. They also have a steam vaporizer going. Last night, in between pets, he batted at the roller clamp on the IV line. I am hoping to bring him home tomorrow. Consistently eating on his own is the key. Marsha On 12/23/2014 9:41 AM, Lance wrote: How is Harley doing today? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
THIS SOUNDS LIKE MY HARLEY. IF HE DOES NOT WANT IT, YOU MAY AS WELL GIVE UP. HE IS SO HARD HEADED PLUS ORDER A UNIT OR TWO OF BLOOD FOR YOURSELF. Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Harley is still in the hospital, but improving. On Sunday, he groomed himself a little bit, first time in a week. Two attempts were made over the weekend to `put an NG tube in. First attempt failed because they had tried a lighter type sedation, and he fought it. The next day they tried heavier sedation, got it in, and once back in his cage, he pulled it out! He had one of the soft e-collars on. Thankfully, he has started eating some kibble. None of the most enticing wet foods had encouraged him, nor an appetite stimulant, not even a mouse (small frozen feeder purchased from pet store, and heated). His eyes were looking better yesterday, but his nose is still congested. Fever is gone. He gets fluids and some meds through IV. They also have a steam vaporizer going. Last night, in between pets, he batted at the roller clamp on the IV line. I am hoping to bring him home tomorrow. Consistently eating on his own is the key. Marsha On 12/23/2014 9:41 AM, Lance wrote: How is Harley doing today? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
He was looking good tonight, and I plan on taking Harley home tomorrow (Christmas Eve). I just want to get some things set up first. I got a humidity meter and vaporizer, and I want to make sure I'm getting a good enough percent of humidity. I also need to look at everything from Harley's eyes: ooh, that looks like fun to tip over! Marsha On 12/23/2014 8:46 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: HOPE HE CAN COME HOME TO STAY SOON. IT IS HARD ON YOU AND EVEN HARDER ON HIM. I SOMETIMES THINK THAT BEING AWAY FROM THEIR HOME AND NOT KNOWING IF THEY WILL EVER GO BACK HOME MUST MAKE MATTERS WORSE . IS IT POSSIBLE YOU COULD ISOLATE HIM IN A CAGE, HE WOULD BE SICK, BUT AT LEAST HE WILL BE HOME. WILL KEEP HIM IN MY PRAYERS AND YOU TOO. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
Harley is back in the hospital, where he has been for almost all of this week. Too much nasal discharge to get an NG tube back in at this time. I wish I hadn't taken him home last night. How do I know when he's getting over the hump? I don't want to keep pushing him and letting him get sicker and sicker, but he does still have some fight in him. Been on this roller coaster ride before. I didn't care for real roller coasters when I was a kid, and this is way worse. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?
I think he will let you know when he is tired of fighting. It is hard trying to make a decision like this. I have gone thru it with my mother, father and several cats. Never gets any easier. Let Harley and God be your guides. Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Harley is back in the hospital, where he has been for almost all of this week. Too much nasal discharge to get an NG tube back in at this time. I wish I hadn't taken him home last night. How do I know when he's getting over the hump? I don't want to keep pushing him and letting him get sicker and sicker, but he does still have some fight in him. Been on this roller coaster ride before. I didn't care for real roller coasters when I was a kid, and this is way worse. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri
-Original Message- From: michael devitt <villagem48...@yahoo.com>Sent: Jul 16, 2013 9:45 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri hi lorrie what i gave him was convenia yea i know controversial drug he seems to be improving not alot of sneezing or gagging like before still not eating he sleeping alot hasnt slept much the last few days with all the sneezing going on where did you get the doxycycline and he is +felv unable to pill him or spray a little saline up his nose tried and now he ducks away from me thanks for responding Very glad to hear hat Charlie is improving :) While I'm not usually a fan of drugs that are that long-lasting, I'm now admitting they have their place. Monday I picked up a kitten that had had a leg amputated, and was told she'd been given Convenia. I had specified No Metacam, but forgot to includeConvenia. I will admit I'm glad not to have to medicate this little Hellion on a daily basis. She may be only two pounds, but it's two pounds of squiggle g. I also found there is now a long-acting formm of buprenorphine, Buprenex SR. 72 hours. While I'd likely want try a single dose to gauge any reaction before giving that, I think it's a great option. Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri
Hi Mike, OK, if you know the bad side of Convenia I won't go into a big disertation about this :-), but I wondered how you got it unless you are a vet tech. I buy a of meds on line, but I never saw Convenia. Anyway I'm glad Charlie is sneezing less. I got the Doxycycline from my vet and it cost $58.00 which I thought was an outrageous price but it worked. A lot of people in the cat groups use compounding pharmacies, but they do require a prescription from your vet. Will your vet work with you on this? I tried the saline spray and my snotty nosed cat ran and hid everytime she saw me. Nose drops just didn't work. Google compounding pharmacies. I believe roadrunner is one of the best. Good luck with Charlie and thank you for taking care of him. I have had many FelV + cats who have lived anywhere from 6 months to over 5 years. It is heartbreaking to see what some of them go through. How I wish there was a cure for this terrible virus. Lorrie cats On 07-16, michael devitt wrote: hi lorrie what i gave him was convenia yea i know controversial drug he seems to be improving not alot of sneezing or gagging like before still not eating he sleeping alot hasnt slept much the last few days with all the sneezing going on where did you get the doxycycline and he is +felv unable to pill him or spray a little saline up his nose tried and now he ducks away from me thanks for responding ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] charlie has a uri
hi my name is mike and my semi-feral charlie developed an uri i gave him an atibiotic injection on 7/13/13 subq can not pill him he is currently hiding under my bed really stuffed up eyes watering will not eat he ate yesterday morning just wondering if anybody has this same issue he is a special cat to me hope he pulls through anybody help would be appreciated thanks___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri
Hi Mike, What antibiotic? How much? What does he weigh? Most URIs are viral, so may not respond to Abx. Is Charlie getting L-Lysine? You could try 500mgs twice a day in food, if you can get him interested. Can you get liquids into him? It will dissolve in water and can be syringed. Try putting him in a small bathroom with a ht shower runnung, sometimes the steam will help clear the enough to get them to eat. Try strong smelling foods, or sardines, tuna, or try meat baby food. Margo -Original Message- From: michael devitt <villagem48...@yahoo.com>Sent: Jul 16, 2013 12:01 PM To: "Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri hi my name is mike and my semi-feral charlie developed an uri i gave him an atibiotic injection on 7/13/13 subq can not pill him he is currently hiding under my bed really stuffed up eyes watering will not eat he ate yesterday morning just wondering if anybody has this same issue he is a special cat to me hope he pulls through anybody help would be appreciated thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri
Hi Mike, I assume Charlie is FelV pos. right? Otherwise you would not post to this group. Please tell us what you gave him so we can help you. One of our cats had a chronic URI for years. We tried everything and the poor cat was losing weight and green snot was always coming from her nose. She too was semi-feral. Finally we found something that worked. Doxycycline compounded into a chicken flavored liquid. She took it readily and was on it for a month. I know this sounds like a long time, but there is very little blood flow to the nasal region and it takes this long to totally destroy the bacteria. Two weeks of several different antibiotics just didn't do it. Lorrie and 30 rescued cats. On 07-16, michael devitt wrote: hi my name is mike and my semi-feral charlie developed an uri i gave him an atibiotic injection on 7/13/13 subq can not pill him he is currently hiding under my bed really stuffed up eyes watering will not eat he ate yesterday morning just wondering if anybody has this same issue he is a special cat to me hope he pulls through anybody help would be appreciated thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri
hi lorrie what i gave him was convenia yea i know controversial drug he seems to be improving not alot of sneezing or gagging like before still not eating he sleeping alot hasnt slept much the last few days with all the sneezing going on where did you get the doxycycline and he is +felv unable to pill him or spray a little saline up his nose tried and now he ducks away from me thanks for responding From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri Hi Mike, I assume Charlie is FelV pos. right? Otherwise you would not post to this group. Please tell us what you gave him so we can help you. One of our cats had a chronic URI for years. We tried everything and the poor cat was losing weight and green snot was always coming from her nose. She too was semi-feral. Finally we found something that worked. Doxycycline compounded into a chicken flavored liquid. She took it readily and was on it for a month. I know this sounds like a long time, but there is very little blood flow to the nasal region and it takes this long to totally destroy the bacteria. Two weeks of several different antibiotics just didn't do it. Lorrie and 30 rescued cats. On 07-16, michael devitt wrote: hi my name is mike and my semi-feral charlie developed an uri i gave him an atibiotic injection on 7/13/13 subq can not pill him he is currently hiding under my bed really stuffed up eyes watering will not eat he ate yesterday morning just wondering if anybody has this same issue he is a special cat to me hope he pulls through anybody help would be appreciated thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri
hi margo i gave him convenia it is suppose to last up to 14 days it was easier than pilling him he seems to be improving out from underneath bed not gagging sneezing much still not eating sleeping alot he hasnt slept much the last few days i got my other cats on L-Lysine thanks for responding From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri Hi Mike, What antibiotic? How much? What does he weigh? Most URIs are viral, so may not respond to Abx. Is Charlie getting L-Lysine? You could try 500mgs twice a day in food, if you can get him interested. Can you get liquids into him? It will dissolve in water and can be syringed. Try putting him in a small bathroom with a ht shower runnung, sometimes the steam will help clear the enough to get them to eat. Try strong smelling foods, or sardines, tuna, or try meat baby food. Margo -Original Message- From: michael devitt Sent: Jul 16, 2013 12:01 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri hi my name is mike and my semi-feral charlie developed an uri i gave him an atibiotic injection on 7/13/13 subq can not pill him he is currently hiding under my bed really stuffed up eyes watering will not eat he ate yesterday morning just wondering if anybody has this same issue he is a special cat to me hope he pulls through anybody help would be appreciated thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri
hAVE YOU TRIED HOLDING HIM WITH HIS HEAD ON YOUR SHOULDER? DID THAT WITH ONE OF MY BABIES . I DON'T KINOW IF IT WAS KEEPING HER HEAD UP SO THINGS COULD DRAIN OR JUST BEING HELD AND COMFORTED, BUT IT SEEMED TO HELP. OF COURSE YOU WON'T GET MUCH DONE. I SAT UP WITH HER ALL NIGHT FOR 2 OR 3 NIGHTS. YOU WON'T GET MUCH SLEEP, BUT IF IT WORKS, WOULD BE WORTH IT. THERE IS USUALLY A BIT OF DUST UNDER BEDS, THAT COULD CAUSE SNEEZING. I LIKE HE COVENIA TOO,MUCH EASIER ON THEM AND YOU THAN TRYING TO CATCH THEM, HOLD THEM AND GET THE PILL IN THEIR MOUTH AND KEEPING IT THERE. BY THE TIME YOU GET THROUGH, BOTH OF YOU ARE EXHAUSTED. HOPE THIS WORKS AND HE GETS BETTER SO BOTH OF YOU CAN GET SOME REST. michael devitt villagem48...@yahoo.com wrote: hi margo i gave him convenia it is suppose to last up to 14 days it was easier than pilling him he seems to be improving out from underneath bed not gagging sneezing much still not eating sleeping alot he hasnt slept much the last few days i got my other cats on L-Lysine thanks for responding From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri Hi Mike, What antibiotic? How much? What does he weigh? Most URIs are viral, so may not respond to Abx. Is Charlie getting L-Lysine? You could try 500mgs twice a day in food, if you can get him interested. Can you get liquids into him? It will dissolve in water and can be syringed. Try putting him in a small bathroom with a ht shower runnung, sometimes the steam will help clear the enough to get them to eat. Try strong smelling foods, or sardines, tuna, or try meat baby food. Margo -Original Message- From: michael devitt Sent: Jul 16, 2013 12:01 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] charlie has a uri hi my name is mike and my semi-feral charlie developed an uri i gave him an atibiotic injection on 7/13/13 subq can not pill him he is currently hiding under my bed really stuffed up eyes watering will not eat he ate yesterday morning just wondering if anybody has this same issue he is a special cat to me hope he pulls through anybody help would be appreciated thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI
Hi Alice Murphy! Sorry to hear about the URI and hope he is feeling more comfortable today. I learn so much from your Murphy updates and can't tell you how much I appreciate your taking the time to post them. Many thoughts and prayers coming your way from Kris, Max Avis. From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 4:41:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI Another Murphy relapse...poor boy is all congested and sneezy with a URI, he began with light sneezing earlier this week, I gave him a PennG shot Friday night because he had sneezed so much that he was getting bloody droplets. Now he's really getting plugged up. I called the vet to see about reducing his prednisolone dose because steroids suppress the immune system. He's been on Lasix and Pred for 3 weeks since his diagnosis of Lymphoma. We are cutting him down to 1/2 from 5mg 2x a day to once a day. I have put some L-Lysine powder into gel caps because he will not eat it in his food nor eat the very expensive Lysine treats we tried in the past. Seems the Lysine is supposed to help keep the herpes virus (viruses in general) from replicating. This flares up every time his immune system is low and he ends up with upper respiratory problems. I know he's not feeling well because I've waken up with him snuggled with me on the bed for the last 2 mornings. He normally doesn't get on the bed, he likes to sleep by the open slider screen door. I am still optimistic because his breathing is still better, hopefully the fluid is still gone from his chest area, he was in for his check up a week ago and the vet was impressed with how clear his lungs sounded. Maybe he picked up a bug from the exam room-he was wandering on the floor, my fault for letting him move around. He's such a people person, he likes all the people at the vet clinic and wants to see what they are doing. I hope the Lysine helps soon. They said if he's still congested, we can try a mild Afrin nasal decongestant. He's not that bad yet, I don't think, just somewhat depressed. Not eating as much, but still eating the AD and all the gravy from the fancy feast plus some dry food. I know some may be tired of hearing about Murphy, but I think it may help to keep hope alive, he keeps bouncing back since the end of July when he became so anemic that by the first of August I had to syringe feed him for a few days. He is on Procrit now just once a week instead of 3x a week. Please, purrayers help!! Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI
Never tired of hearing about you and Murphy. What a spunky little guy...and what a loving caretaker! Best of luck with this latest ick. Purrrayers coming your way. --Original Mail-- From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:41:23 -0700 PDT Subject: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI Another Murphy relapse...poor boy is all congested and sneezy with a URI, he began with light sneezing earlier this week, I gave him a PennG shot Friday night because he had sneezed so much that he was getting bloody droplets. Now he's really getting plugged up. I called the vet to see about reducing his prednisolone dose because steroids suppress the immune system. He's been on Lasix and Pred for 3 weeks since his diagnosis of Lymphoma. We are cutting him down to 1/2 from 5mg 2x a day to once a day. I have put some L-Lysine powder into gel caps because he will not eat it in his food nor eat the very expensive Lysine treats we tried in the past. Seems the Lysine is supposed to help keep the herpes virus (viruses in general) from replicating. This flares up every time his immune system is low and he ends up with upper respiratory problems. I know he's not feeling well because I've waken up with him snuggled with me on the bed for the last 2 mornings. He normally doesn't get on the bed, he likes to sleep by the open slider screen door. I am still optimistic because his breathing is still better, hopefully the fluid is still gone from his chest area, he was in for his check up a week ago and the vet was impressed with how clear his lungs sounded. Maybe he picked up a bug from the exam room-he was wandering on the floor, my fault for letting him move around. He's such a people person, he likes all the people at the vet clinic and wants to see what they are doing. I hope the Lysine helps soon. They said if he's still congested, we can try a mild Afrin nasal decongestant. He's not that bad yet, I don't think, just somewhat depressed. Not eating as much, but still eating the AD and all the gravy from the fancy feast plus some dry food. I know some may be tired of hearing about Murphy, but I think it may help to keep hope alive, he keeps bouncing back since the end of July when he became so anemic that by the first of August I had to syringe feed him for a few days. He is on Procrit now just once a week instead of 3x a week. Please, purrayers help!! Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI
Another Murphy relapse...poor boy is all congested and sneezy with a URI, he began with light sneezing earlier this week, I gave him a PennG shot Friday night because he had sneezed so much that he was getting bloody droplets. Now he's really getting plugged up. I called the vet to see about reducing his prednisolone dose because steroids suppress the immune system. He's been on Lasix and Pred for 3 weeks since his diagnosis of Lymphoma. We are cutting him down to 1/2 from 5mg 2x a day to once a day. I have put some L-Lysine powder into gel caps because he will not eat it in his food nor eat the very expensive Lysine treats we tried in the past. Seems the Lysine is supposed to help keep the herpes virus (viruses in general) from replicating. This flares up every time his immune system is low and he ends up with upper respiratory problems. I know he's not feeling well because I've waken up with him snuggled with me on the bed for the last 2 mornings. He normally doesn't get on the bed, he likes to sleep by the open slider screen door. I am still optimistic because his breathing is still better, hopefully the fluid is still gone from his chest area, he was in for his check up a week ago and the vet was impressed with how clear his lungs sounded. Maybe he picked up a bug from the exam room-he was wandering on the floor, my fault for letting him move around. He's such a people person, he likes all the people at the vet clinic and wants to see what they are doing. I hope the Lysine helps soon. They said if he's still congested, we can try a mild Afrin nasal decongestant. He's not that bad yet, I don't think, just somewhat depressed. Not eating as much, but still eating the AD and all the gravy from the fancy feast plus some dry food. I know some may be tired of hearing about Murphy, but I think it may help to keep hope alive, he keeps bouncing back since the end of July when he became so anemic that by the first of August I had to syringe feed him for a few days. He is on Procrit now just once a week instead of 3x a week. Please, purrayers help!! Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI
Never tired of updates. Prayers coming! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI Another Murphy relapse...poor boy is all congested and sneezy with a URI, he began with light sneezing earlier this week, I gave him a PennG shot Friday night because he had sneezed so much that he was getting bloody droplets. Now he's really getting plugged up. I called the vet to see about reducing his prednisolone dose because steroids suppress the immune system. He's been on Lasix and Pred for 3 weeks since his diagnosis of Lymphoma. We are cutting him down to 1/2 from 5mg 2x a day to once a day. I have put some L-Lysine powder into gel caps because he will not eat it in his food nor eat the very expensive Lysine treats we tried in the past. Seems the Lysine is supposed to help keep the herpes virus (viruses in general) from replicating. This flares up every time his immune system is low and he ends up with upper respiratory problems. I know he's not feeling well because I've waken up with him snuggled with me on the bed for the last 2 mornings. He normally doesn't get on the bed, he likes to sleep by the open slider screen door. I am still optimistic because his breathing is still better, hopefully the fluid is still gone from his chest area, he was in for his check up a week ago and the vet was impressed with how clear his lungs sounded. Maybe he picked up a bug from the exam room-he was wandering on the floor, my fault for letting him move around. He's such a people person, he likes all the people at the vet clinic and wants to see what they are doing. I hope the Lysine helps soon. They said if he's still congested, we can try a mild Afrin nasal decongestant. He's not that bad yet, I don't think, just somewhat depressed. Not eating as much, but still eating the AD and all the gravy from the fancy feast plus some dry food. I know some may be tired of hearing about Murphy, but I think it may help to keep hope alive, he keeps bouncing back since the end of July when he became so anemic that by the first of August I had to syringe feed him for a few days. He is on Procrit now just once a week instead of 3x a week. Please, purrayers help!! Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI
Alice, a couple of thoughts. Decreasing the pred has to be done gradually. Instead of going to 5 mg 1x/day maybe 2.5 mg 2x/day could be easier on Murphy. You could talk to your vet. The L-lysine powder is tasteless but if Murphy won't eat it mixed in his food then maybe adding 1/4 tsp to his water would help. I add l-lysine to the water for mine and the 2 feral colonies I feed to help prevent URIs. I enjoy your Murphy updates. Hope he is breathing easier soon. Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/10/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 4:41 PM Another Murphy relapse...poor boy is all congested and sneezy with a URI, he began with light sneezing earlier this week, I gave him a PennG shot Friday night because he had sneezed so much that he was getting bloody droplets. Now he's really getting plugged up. I called the vet to see about reducing his prednisolone dose because steroids suppress the immune system. He's been on Lasix and Pred for 3 weeks since his diagnosis of Lymphoma. We are cutting him down to 1/2 from 5mg 2x a day to once a day. I have put some L-Lysine powder into gel caps because he will not eat it in his food nor eat the very expensive Lysine treats we tried in the past. Seems the Lysine is supposed to help keep the herpes virus (viruses in general) from replicating. This flares up every time his immune system is low and he ends up with upper respiratory problems. I know he's not feeling well because I've waken up with him snuggled with me on the bed for the last 2 mornings. He normally doesn't get on the bed, he likes to sleep by the open slider screen door. I am still optimistic because his breathing is still better, hopefully the fluid is still gone from his chest area, he was in for his check up a week ago and the vet was impressed with how clear his lungs sounded. Maybe he picked up a bug from the exam room-he was wandering on the floor, my fault for letting him move around. He's such a people person, he likes all the people at the vet clinic and wants to see what they are doing. I hope the Lysine helps soon. They said if he's still congested, we can try a mild Afrin nasal decongestant. He's not that bad yet, I don't think, just somewhat depressed. Not eating as much, but still eating the AD and all the gravy from the fancy feast plus some dry food. I know some may be tired of hearing about Murphy, but I think it may help to keep hope alive, he keeps bouncing back since the end of July when he became so anemic that by the first of August I had to syringe feed him for a few days. He is on Procrit now just once a week instead of 3x a week. Please, purrayers help!! Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI
Hi Alice, You might ask your vet about azithromycin. I use it for URI/bartonella, often hard to tell the difference without testing. My vets would use azithromycin in either case anyway, so I skip the testing and do the az. You can get fish-flavored, oil-based, which lasts 90 days versus 10 days for water-based from Wedgewood pharmacy: http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/items/azithromycin-oral-oil-suspension.html I treat for 20 days, usually see results within 3 days. I just started a kitten I took in who had a bad URI, gummy eyes, nose, etc. He had been on Clavamox for 5 days before he came to me, and was obviously not getting better. Two days on az. plus some eye drops, and within 48 hours, he's doing MUCH better. The Wedgewood az. actually works out cheaper, and I can get it in a more concentrated form, so I don't have to give as much volume per dose...REALLY helps with my domesticated ferals :-) Terry Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: = Another Murphy relapse...poor boy is all congested and sneezy with a URI, he began with light sneezing earlier this week, I gave him a PennG shot Friday night because he had sneezed so much that he was getting bloody droplets. Now he's really getting plugged up. I called the vet to see about reducing his prednisolone dose because steroids suppress the immune system. He's been on Lasix and Pred for 3 weeks since his diagnosis of Lymphoma. We are cutting him down to 1/2 from 5mg 2x a day to once a day. I have put some L-Lysine powder into gel caps because he will not eat it in his food nor eat the very expensive Lysine treats we tried in the past. Seems the Lysine is supposed to help keep the herpes virus (viruses in general) from replicating. This flares up every time his immune system is low and he ends up with upper respiratory problems. I know he's not feeling well because I've waken up with him snuggled with me on the bed for the last 2 mornings. He normally doesn't get on the bed, he likes to sleep by the open slider screen door. I am still optimistic because his breathing is still better, hopefully the fluid is still gone from his chest area, he was in for his check up a week ago and the vet was impressed with how clear his lungs sounded. Maybe he picked up a bug from the exam room-he was wandering on the floor, my fault for letting him move around. He's such a people person, he likes all the people at the vet clinic and wants to see what they are doing. I hope the Lysine helps soon. They said if he's still congested, we can try a mild Afrin nasal decongestant. He's not that bad yet, I don't think, just somewhat depressed. Not eating as much, but still eating the AD and all the gravy from the fancy feast plus some dry food. I know some may be tired of hearing about Murphy, but I think it may help to keep hope alive, he keeps bouncing back since the end of July when he became so anemic that by the first of August I had to syringe feed him for a few days. He is on Procrit now just once a week instead of 3x a week. Please, purrayers help!! Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI / Sharyl
Hi Sharyl-I was thinking about the once a day being alot at once anyway-so I now I have fixed up his weekly pill box (am-pm LOL) and split the pred caplet into 2 and will give one morning and night. Thanks so much for the suggestion!! He is a bit brighter tonight and talking a bit! Thanks again!! Alice n Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI / trmckelvey
Terry-I will ask about the azithromycin , we used it alot the first year for all the URIs. Strawberry flavor from the Walmart pharmacy-it was the children's version. He has had regular CBCs all along and also checked for Hemobartonella and always negative for any mycoplasmas. Since beginning the LTCI last Sept, he has had 10 CBCs. We did testing in the beginning to monitor how he was doing while we went from weekly to bi-weekly then monthly LTCI injections. Then lately since his anemia crash in July to see how well he's recovering so we can reduce the Procrit injections (from 3x a week to 1x a week now). I think they suspect it's a flare up of the Herpes virus-he's had quite a bit of that this last year, but in the beginning I thought he may have had allergies and didn't jump on it. Thanks so much! Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI?
URIs in a mother can certainly be transmitted to the kittens after birth. It depends on the phase of infection the mother is in. If she is infectious when the kittens are born, certainly transmission is possible. If the infection is resolving, she will be less likely to transmit disease and will often have a good immune response that will be conferred to the young through her breast milk. With respect to the URI being transmitted prior to birth. This is unlikely. URIs are generally passed from one cat to another through either inhalation or direct contact. Therefore, the young will not be born with URIs. (It could, however, be transmitted this way after birth as mother and young are in very close contact) The concern that I would have, however, is if the mother has a systemic infection (involving the blood stream) that could be transmitted to the young while in utero. If it clinically just looks like a URI (runny nose, sneeze, cough, runny eyes, pussy or purulent discharge) I would be less concerned, If, on the other hand, she has a high fever, is lethargic and not eating, I would be more concerned. Either way, I would recommend treating the mom with something that can be safely used during pregnancy. Good luck. Jenny On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: A friend just took in a pregnant cat yesterday (she was taken to a no kill shelter this week). She thinks the cat might deliver today. She thinks she might have an URI. Does anyone know if the kittens will have or contract the URI? Thanks, Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI?
Thanks Jenny! The babies were born on Easter (5 of them). The only symptoms the mama has are: she is hoarse when she purrs and she sounds like she is swallowing mucous sometimes. Foster mom started L Lysine on Monday. She is keeping a close eye (she had a mama and litter last summer for whom she had to syringe feed because of severe URI). Fortunately she is a nurse. Btw these are cats that come into a no kill shelter ready to deliver. My friend takes about one mom each year and finds homes for everyone, too. She is a angel! I will share your email with her. Thank-you! Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI? URIs in a mother can certainly be transmitted to the kittens after birth. It depends on the phase of infection the mother is in. If she is infectious when the kittens are born, certainly transmission is possible. If the infection is resolving, she will be less likely to transmit disease and will often have a good immune response that will be conferred to the young through her breast milk. With respect to the URI being transmitted prior to birth. This is unlikely. URIs are generally passed from one cat to another through either inhalation or direct contact. Therefore, the young will not be born with URIs. (It could, however, be transmitted this way after birth as mother and young are in very close contact) The concern that I would have, however, is if the mother has a systemic infection (involving the blood stream) that could be transmitted to the young while in utero. If it clinically just looks like a URI (runny nose, sneeze, cough, runny eyes, pussy or purulent discharge) I would be less concerned, If, on the other hand, she has a high fever, is lethargic and not eating, I would be more concerned. Either way, I would recommend treating the mom with something that can be safely used during pregnancy. Good luck. Jenny On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: A friend just took in a pregnant cat yesterday (she was taken to a no kill shelter this week). She thinks the cat might deliver today. She thinks she might have an URI. Does anyone know if the kittens will have or contract the URI? Thanks, Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI?
My experience has been that the kittens will get the URI and it can be a killer. I would personally get the mom on an antibiotic right away and get some antibiotic that can be given to the kittens from birth. Just the tiniest amount can save kittens. It is by far the best idea to aggressively treat the mom before the kittens are born and not wait around while the URI gets worse. Lots of sick moms will stop nursing or licking the kittens at all when they get very congested. And the moms may stop eating so no milk. The kittens will have the best chance to survive if the fosterer can get the mom through the worst of it before the kittens arrive. Generally, an antibiotic is critical even if the URI is a virus. A vaporizer or humidifier is extremely helpful because congestion makes the mom miserable and she may stop eating if she can't smell. When the fosterer takes her to the vet to get her looked at, they should definitely get the vet to discuss and prescribe for congestion. We have just gone through this in my rescue group for several litters in which all kittens died. I don't want to be too negative but want to get across that it is not a time to take a wait and see attitude until they are all very sick. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI?
Thank-you for this. The five babies were born last night. The mom sounds like she has mucous in her throat when she swallows and her purr sounds hoarse but there are no other symptoms. The foster mom started l lysine. Mama kitty (Spring) is eating. No discharge from eyes or nose. Symptoms have not worsened since she got there Saturday noon so foster mom is hopeful this is not a URI. Any thoughts based on symptoms? Still think she should treat the mama? Thank-you!\ Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI? My experience has been that the kittens will get the URI and it can be a killer. I would personally get the mom on an antibiotic right away and get some antibiotic that can be given to the kittens from birth. Just the tiniest amount can save kittens. It is by far the best idea to aggressively treat the mom before the kittens are born and not wait around while the URI gets worse. Lots of sick moms will stop nursing or licking the kittens at all when they get very congested. And the moms may stop eating so no milk. The kittens will have the best chance to survive if the fosterer can get the mom through the worst of it before the kittens arrive. Generally, an antibiotic is critical even if the URI is a virus. A vaporizer or humidifier is extremely helpful because congestion makes the mom miserable and she may stop eating if she can't smell. When the fosterer takes her to the vet to get her looked at, they should definitely get the vet to discuss and prescribe for congestion. We have just gone through this in my rescue group for several litters in which all kittens died. I don't want to be too negative but want to get across that it is not a time to take a wait and see attitude until they are all very sick. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI?
If the mom is eating and caring for the kittens, they can relax some but I'd like to emphasize that they should take the whole litter to the vet at the first sign that there is anything wrong with the kittens. Or get some antibiotic like clavamox to have on hand if possible. Lysine is good. I wish you and them the very best of luck! Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Sent by: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 13-Apr-2009 13:23 Please respond to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To felvtalk@felineleukemia.org cc Subject Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI? Thank-you for this. The five babies were born last night. The mom sounds like she has mucous in her throat when she swallows and her purr sounds hoarse but there are no other symptoms. The foster mom started l lysine. Mama kitty (Spring) is eating. No discharge from eyes or nose. Symptoms have not worsened since she got there Saturday noon so foster mom is hopeful this is not a URI. Any thoughts based on symptoms? Still think she should treat the mama? Thank-you!\ Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI? My experience has been that the kittens will get the URI and it can be a killer. I would personally get the mom on an antibiotic right away and get some antibiotic that can be given to the kittens from birth. Just the tiniest amount can save kittens. It is by far the best idea to aggressively treat the mom before the kittens are born and not wait around while the URI gets worse. Lots of sick moms will stop nursing or licking the kittens at all when they get very congested. And the moms may stop eating so no milk. The kittens will have the best chance to survive if the fosterer can get the mom through the worst of it before the kittens arrive. Generally, an antibiotic is critical even if the URI is a virus. A vaporizer or humidifier is extremely helpful because congestion makes the mom miserable and she may stop eating if she can't smell. When the fosterer takes her to the vet to get her looked at, they should definitely get the vet to discuss and prescribe for congestion. We have just gone through this in my rescue group for several litters in which all kittens died. I don't want to be too negative but want to get across that it is not a time to take a wait and see attitude until they are all very sick. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI?
I'd probably use Azithromycin, preferably. Gloria On Apr 13, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Thank-you for this. The five babies were born last night. The mom sounds like she has mucous in her throat when she swallows and her purr sounds hoarse but there are no other symptoms. The foster mom started l lysine. Mama kitty (Spring) is eating. No discharge from eyes or nose. Symptoms have not worsened since she got there Saturday noon so foster mom is hopeful this is not a URI. Any thoughts based on symptoms? Still think she should treat the mama? Thank-you!\ Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI? My experience has been that the kittens will get the URI and it can be a killer. I would personally get the mom on an antibiotic right away and get some antibiotic that can be given to the kittens from birth. Just the tiniest amount can save kittens. It is by far the best idea to aggressively treat the mom before the kittens are born and not wait around while the URI gets worse. Lots of sick moms will stop nursing or licking the kittens at all when they get very congested. And the moms may stop eating so no milk. The kittens will have the best chance to survive if the fosterer can get the mom through the worst of it before the kittens arrive. Generally, an antibiotic is critical even if the URI is a virus. A vaporizer or humidifier is extremely helpful because congestion makes the mom miserable and she may stop eating if she can't smell. When the fosterer takes her to the vet to get her looked at, they should definitely get the vet to discuss and prescribe for congestion. We have just gone through this in my rescue group for several litters in which all kittens died. I don't want to be too negative but want to get across that it is not a time to take a wait and see attitude until they are all very sick. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI?
Thank-you to everyone for responding! I have forwarded responses to foster mom. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI? I'd probably use Azithromycin, preferably. Gloria On Apr 13, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Thank-you for this. The five babies were born last night. The mom sounds like she has mucous in her throat when she swallows and her purr sounds hoarse but there are no other symptoms. The foster mom started l lysine. Mama kitty (Spring) is eating. No discharge from eyes or nose. Symptoms have not worsened since she got there Saturday noon so foster mom is hopeful this is not a URI. Any thoughts based on symptoms? Still think she should treat the mama? Thank-you!\ Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI? My experience has been that the kittens will get the URI and it can be a killer. I would personally get the mom on an antibiotic right away and get some antibiotic that can be given to the kittens from birth. Just the tiniest amount can save kittens. It is by far the best idea to aggressively treat the mom before the kittens are born and not wait around while the URI gets worse. Lots of sick moms will stop nursing or licking the kittens at all when they get very congested. And the moms may stop eating so no milk. The kittens will have the best chance to survive if the fosterer can get the mom through the worst of it before the kittens arrive. Generally, an antibiotic is critical even if the URI is a virus. A vaporizer or humidifier is extremely helpful because congestion makes the mom miserable and she may stop eating if she can't smell. When the fosterer takes her to the vet to get her looked at, they should definitely get the vet to discuss and prescribe for congestion. We have just gone through this in my rescue group for several litters in which all kittens died. I don't want to be too negative but want to get across that it is not a time to take a wait and see attitude until they are all very sick. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI?
A friend just took in a pregnant cat yesterday (she was taken to a no kill shelter this week). She thinks the cat might deliver today. She thinks she might have an URI. Does anyone know if the kittens will have or contract the URI? Thanks, Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI?
In my experience many times they do pick up the URI. URI's are very contagious. They can usually be treated with mild antibiotics a short time after birth though and are usually ok. All cases are different though. I hope they thrive and do very well. Tanya --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: [Felvtalk] OT - will kittens born to mom with URI have URI? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 3:54 PM A friend just took in a pregnant cat yesterday (she was taken to a no kill shelter this week). She thinks the cat might deliver today. She thinks she might have an URI. Does anyone know if the kittens will have or contract the URI? Thanks, Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Unresponsive URI
Sorry, I messed up the subject box - too tired. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 23Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:48:15 -0700 Hi Wendy,Thanks for asking. Cami is better. It's been a long rough road so far for these magnificent 7. All are better now and I'm close to $5000. poorer. Of course this includes neutering, spaying, blood panels, dentals and numerous extractions for infected teeth, vaxing, ear flushing, meds, etc., etc.. Whew! And of course I'm exhausted... I will keep them until they get tested again and then try to find forever homes for at least some of the negatives. Cami still gets long acting injectable antibiotics twice weekly. We tried the injectable tetracycline a while back and almost lost him. He was then extremely ill for days. I've been giving him Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor also along with numerous supplements and vit B12 and everything combined seems to have kicked in his immune system finally. He has a heart murmur also - the vet thinks the systemic infection he had damaged his valves. When he's stronger, he'll have a cardiac ultrasound. Each one of them has minor relapses with URI's but are over them within a few days now. The ones that came up FeLV negative also had really horrible blood panels with low red blood cell counts, etc. I have had the negatives vaxed twice now and will get all retested in a few months.I have been reading the archives and learning a lot. I have kept 5 and now 6 of the 7 together. They were sheltered together and 2 (1 positive and 1 negative) of them survived by physically taking care of each other there so I can't separate those 2. They sleep together, comfort each other, etc.. I have been so torn about that. The negative one is a dwarf. I live in the lower mainland of BC Canada close to the border. If there is anyone on this list who lives in the area and has a vet who is very FeLV knowledgeable, please let me know.Immulan isn't available in Canada but my vet is right on the border (Zero ave) and will get it for me. I understand it's very expensive but I'm sure it's cheaper than treating the illnesses associated. If anyone has any experience with Immulan (positive or negative), I'd love to hear it.If anyone has any advice, ideas, etc. please pass it on to me. For those who use DMG, how much do you give? ThanksEl Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Unresponsive URI To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How is your baby doing, El? Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Sign in now! Windows Live Messenger is giving you a chance to win $1000 a day until May 12th Check out SignInAndWIN.ca today! _ Turn every day into $1000. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/213
Re: Unresponsive URI
How is your baby doing, El? Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: designercats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 1:19:33 PM Subject: Unresponsive URI Hi Wendy, I have him on A/D and Recovery. Recovery is newer and is sometimes more palatable when they don't like A/D. His URI has never left. He's been on antibiotics for a month and he gets a little better and then worse. We're going to the vet in a few minutes. The other little ones have all improved radically but not him. His blood panel was better than the others but he's so much sicker than the rest. The vet has some interferon alpha. If he doesn't improve I'm afraid I'll lose him. El Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: Unresponsive URI
So the issues with URI started before the Recovery food was started, right? I just wanted to rule out that he might have an allergy that is promoting the URI's. Poor guy. He sounds like he's really sick. Have you heard of A/D canned food? It's prescription food, and is high calorie. GREAT for syringe feeding because it's so smooth. I always mix it with a little water, and down it goes. Keep us posted on how the doxy or b/c combo works for him. Is he staying on the antibiotics long enough each round, do you think? I just keep wondering why it keeps coming back. It's almost like the URI might be knocked out, but something else is causing it (thus the question about the allergy), so it keeps coming back, and if that's the case, then we should try to brainstorm what is causing the URI. Does any of that make sense? lol. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: designercats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 12:52:50 AM Subject: Unresponsive URI Hi Wendy, He hasn't always had the Recovery food. He prefers dry food but is not eating. His nose was stuck shut and his entire face was encrusted with pus when I pulled him from the shelter. He seems to get a bit better but then worse. I've been syringing him every few hours for the last two days to get supplements and some nutrition into him. I'm so very worried about him. I'll ask the vet in the morning about doxycycline or a baytril clavamox combo. I've read about these in the archives. El Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Unresponsive URI
Hi Wendy, I have him on A/D and Recovery. Recovery is newer and is sometimes more palatable when they don't like A/D. His URI has never left. He's been on antibiotics for a month and he gets a little better and then worse. We're going to the vet in a few minutes. The other little ones have all improved radically but not him. His blood panel was better than the others but he's so much sicker than the rest. The vet has some interferon alpha. If he doesn't improve I'm afraid I'll lose him. El _
Re: Unresponsive URI
If his nose is really dripping, you could ask the vet about dosing with an antihistamine (like chlor trimeton) possibly. Gloria On Mar 6, 2008, at 1:19 PM, designercats wrote: Hi Wendy, I have him on A/D and Recovery. Recovery is newer and is sometimes more palatable when they don't like A/D. His URI has never left. He's been on antibiotics for a month and he gets a little better and then worse. We're going to the vet in a few minutes. The other little ones have all improved radically but not him. His blood panel was better than the others but he's so much sicker than the rest. The vet has some interferon alpha. If he doesn't improve I'm afraid I'll lose him. El
Unresponsive URI
Hi, Little Milli is getting better. She still has diahrea to some degree but it's getting better. Her URI is getting much better although she still coughs and sneezes a bit. One of the other FeLV+ Cami has a very very stubborn URI. Initially on injectable antibiotics he got better really quick and then has been sliding downhill ever since. We've tried several antibiotics and he still is very sick. His mucus is green (sorry to be so graphic). Any ideas about what other antibiotics we can try? He's been on Zithromycin, Chlorapalm, Baytril PLX injectable combo. He responds for a bit but then it gets bad again. He is a beautiful sweet, sweet orange and white cat with the most luxurious coat I've ever seen. He is an absolute sweetheart. He's approx 2 yrs old. I have been syringe feeding him Recovery food mixed with multi vitamin, B complex, Omega oils, L-Lysine, Collostrum. I'm still waiting for the Transfer Factor and the Interferon alpha. Thanks...El _
Re: Unresponsive URI
I 've been using a mixture of water or aloe vera, powdered Lysine, Vitamin C (the stuff for cats), and colostrum. I have a bottle with lysine and Vit C powder in it. I use about 500 mg lysine, probably 200 or so of Vit C (for me 1/4 tsp of the powder mix), and a capsule (opened) of colostrum. Mix it with water or Georges Aloe Vera, suck all or part into an oral syringe, and give it gently to the cat. For my cat, with both an eye problem and stomatitis, it's worked well, fingers crossed... Gloria On Mar 5, 2008, at 2:04 PM, designercats wrote: Hi, Little Milli is getting better. She still has diahrea to some degree but it's getting better. Her URI is getting much better although she still coughs and sneezes a bit. One of the other FeLV+ Cami has a very very stubborn URI. Initially on injectable antibiotics he got better really quick and then has been sliding downhill ever since. We've tried several antibiotics and he still is very sick. His mucus is green (sorry to be so graphic). Any ideas about what other antibiotics we can try? He's been on Zithromycin, Chlorapalm, Baytril PLX injectable combo. He responds for a bit but then it gets bad again. He is a beautiful sweet, sweet orange and white cat with the most luxurious coat I've ever seen. He is an absolute sweetheart. He's approx 2 yrs old. I have been syringe feeding him Recovery food mixed with multi vitamin, B complex, Omega oils, L-Lysine, Collostrum. I'm still waiting for the Transfer Factor and the Interferon alpha. Thanks...El
Re: Unresponsive URI
Forgot to mention, I do this twice a day. I've always read and heard that the standard dosage of Lysine for an adult cat is 250-500 mg twice a day. I usually start off with 500 and reduce at some point to 250 before stopping it completely. It's an amino acid which counters the effect of the amino acid, Arginine, which is needed by the Herpes virus to replicate and be active. If it's Herpes causing the problem, I usually see a result pretty quickly - within a couple of days things start getting better. GLoria On Mar 5, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Gloria Lane wrote: I 've been using a mixture of water or aloe vera, powdered Lysine, Vitamin C (the stuff for cats), and colostrum. I have a bottle with lysine and Vit C powder in it. I use about 500 mg lysine, probably 200 or so of Vit C (for me 1/4 tsp of the powder mix), and a capsule (opened) of colostrum. Mix it with water or Georges Aloe Vera, suck all or part into an oral syringe, and give it gently to the cat. For my cat, with both an eye problem and stomatitis, it's worked well, fingers crossed... Gloria On Mar 5, 2008, at 2:04 PM, designercats wrote: Hi, Little Milli is getting better. She still has diahrea to some degree but it's getting better. Her URI is getting much better although she still coughs and sneezes a bit. One of the other FeLV+ Cami has a very very stubborn URI. Initially on injectable antibiotics he got better really quick and then has been sliding downhill ever since. We've tried several antibiotics and he still is very sick. His mucus is green (sorry to be so graphic). Any ideas about what other antibiotics we can try? He's been on Zithromycin, Chlorapalm, Baytril PLX injectable combo. He responds for a bit but then it gets bad again. He is a beautiful sweet, sweet orange and white cat with the most luxurious coat I've ever seen. He is an absolute sweetheart. He's approx 2 yrs old. I have been syringe feeding him Recovery food mixed with multi vitamin, B complex, Omega oils, L-Lysine, Collostrum. I'm still waiting for the Transfer Factor and the Interferon alpha. Thanks...El
Re: Unresponsive URI
Is it possible that he could be aggravated by a food allergy? Has he always eaten the recovery food? Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 6:05:54 PM Subject: Re: Unresponsive URI Forgot to mention, I do this twice a day. I've always read and heard that the standard dosage of Lysine for an adult cat is 250-500 mg twice a day. I usually start off with 500 and reduce at some point to 250 before stopping it completely. It's an amino acid which counters the effect of the amino acid, Arginine, which is needed by the Herpes virus to replicate and be active. If it's Herpes causing the problem, I usually see a result pretty quickly - within a couple of days things start getting better. GLoria On Mar 5, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Gloria Lane wrote: I 've been using a mixture of water or aloe vera, powdered Lysine, Vitamin C (the stuff for cats), and colostrum. I have a bottle with lysine and Vit C powder in it. I use about 500 mg lysine, probably 200 or so of Vit C (for me 1/4 tsp of the powder mix), and a capsule (opened) of colostrum. Mix it with water or Georges Aloe Vera, suck all or part into an oral syringe, and give it gently to the cat. For my cat, with both an eye problem and stomatitis, it's worked well, fingers crossed... Gloria On Mar 5, 2008, at 2:04 PM, designercats wrote: Hi, Little Milli is getting better. She still has diahrea to some degree but it's getting better. Her URI is getting much better although she still coughs and sneezes a bit. One of the other FeLV+ Cami has a very very stubborn URI. Initially on injectable antibiotics he got better really quick and then has been sliding downhill ever since. We've tried several antibiotics and he still is very sick. His mucus is green (sorry to be so graphic). Any ideas about what other antibiotics we can try? He's been on Zithromycin, Chlorapalm, Baytril PLX injectable combo. He responds for a bit but then it gets bad again. He is a beautiful sweet, sweet orange and white cat with the most luxurious coat I've ever seen. He is an absolute sweetheart. He's approx 2 yrs old. I have been syringe feeding him Recovery food mixed with multi vitamin, B complex, Omega oils, L-Lysine, Collostrum. I'm still waiting for the Transfer Factor and the Interferon alpha. Thanks...El Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Unresponsive URI
Hi Wendy, He hasn't always had the Recovery food. He prefers dry food but is not eating. His nose was stuck shut and his entire face was encrusted with pus when I pulled him from the shelter. He seems to get a bit better but then worse. I've been syringing him every few hours for the last two days to get supplements and some nutrition into him. I'm so very worried about him. I'll ask the vet in the morning about doxycycline or a baytril clavamox combo. I've read about these in the archives. El _
Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?
I think my first try would be the amoxicillin. If you are using the stuff you can buy for fish without a script be careful to dose it down, usual dose for cats is 50mg a day of amoxicillin for 5 to 7 days. If there is no improvement in 5 days, it isn't working. Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? Does anyone have a preference? I have access to both. Thanks! Kelley
Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?
See, this is why this stuff confuses me. (fish stuff). I get a 250 ml caplet and compound it in 2.5 cc of water. Then I give the cat 10 cc 2x per day (for a 10 pound cat, dosing it down for kittens) . That's not 50 mg. On Nov 19, 2007 2:36 AM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think my first try would be the amoxicillin. If you are using the stuff you can buy for fish without a script be careful to dose it down, usual dose for cats is 50mg a day of amoxicillin for 5 to 7 days. If there is no improvement in 5 days, it isn't working. Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? Does anyone have a preference? I have access to both. Thanks! Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?
one of the vets here ONLY uses cefa... i think partially because most cats (and bugs) around here don't have any resistance built up to it. but what do i know, i'm not a vet, nor am i married to one. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?
I hope I am confused about your numbers. Let's see if I got this right. You say you put a 250mg capsule into 2.5 cc of water right? The you give the cat 10 cc (or is that 1.0 cc) of this so, that's 1000mg and you give this twice a day for a total of 2000mg a day? If so, WOW that is a LOT of amoxicillin. Recommended dosage for a cat is 50mg (5-10mg per pound) once a day, that would be .5 cc (point 5cc) once a day for 50 mg if a 250mg cap is disolved in 2.5cc of water. Be sure to shake this very well before taking up the dose to be given as it sometimes seperates very quickly in water. Here is a link to pfizer with dosages of their Amoxi-tabs. http://www.pfizerah.com/PAHimages/compliance_pdfs/US_EN_A5_compliance.pdf Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? See, this is why this stuff confuses me. (fish stuff). I get a 250 ml caplet and compound it in 2.5 cc of water. Then I give the cat 10 cc 2x per day (for a 10 pound cat, dosing it down for kittens) . That's not 50 mg. On Nov 19, 2007 2:36 AM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think my first try would be the amoxicillin. If you are using the stuff you can buy for fish without a script be careful to dose it down, usual dose for cats is 50mg a day of amoxicillin for 5 to 7 days. If there is no improvement in 5 days, it isn't working. Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? Does anyone have a preference? I have access to both. Thanks! Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
RE: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?
What if you have a bottle of powdered Amoxi that you are mixing with water? What is the dosage per pound of body weight? Just want to triple check that I am dosing my cats right... Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:29:51 -0600 I hope I am confused about your numbers. Let's see if I got this right. You say you put a 250mg capsule into 2.5 cc of water right? The you give the cat 10 cc (or is that 1.0 cc) of this so, that's 1000mg and you give this twice a day for a total of 2000mg a day? If so, WOW that is a LOT of amoxicillin. Recommended dosage for a cat is 50mg (5-10mg per pound) once a day, that would be .5 cc (point 5cc) once a day for 50 mg if a 250mg cap is disolved in 2.5cc of water. Be sure to shake this very well before taking up the dose to be given as it sometimes seperates very quickly in water. Here is a link to pfizer with dosages of their Amoxi-tabs. http://www.pfizerah.com/PAHimages/compliance_pdfs/US_EN_A5_compliance.pdf Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? See, this is why this stuff confuses me. (fish stuff). I get a 250 ml caplet and compound it in 2.5 cc of water. Then I give the cat 10 cc 2x per day (for a 10 pound cat, dosing it down for kittens) . That's not 50 mg. On Nov 19, 2007 2:36 AM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think my first try would be the amoxicillin. If you are using the stuffyou can buy for fish without a script be careful to dose it down, usual dose for cats is 50mg a day of amoxicillin for 5 to 7 days. If there is noimprovement in 5 days, it isn't working.Gary - Original Message -From: Kelley SaveikaTo: felvtalkSent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:33 AMSubject: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?Does anyone have a preference? I have access to both. Thanks!Kelley-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20Please help George!http://rescuties.chipin.com/georgeI GoodSearch for Rescuties.Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! _ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007
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And... are you using Lysine? Amoxi gets the bacteria, and Lysine gets the Herpes virus, if that's the initial cause... Gloria On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: What if you have a bottle of powdered Amoxi that you are mixing with water? What is the dosage per pound of body weight? Just want to triple check that I am dosing my cats right... Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:29:51 -0600 I hope I am confused about your numbers. Let's see if I got this right. You say you put a 250mg capsule into 2.5 cc of water right? The you give the cat 10 cc (or is that 1.0 cc) of this so, that's 1000mg and you give this twice a day for a total of 2000mg a day? If so, WOW that is a LOT of amoxicillin. Recommended dosage for a cat is 50mg (5-10mg per pound) once a day, that would be .5 cc (point 5cc) once a day for 50 mg if a 250mg cap is disolved in 2.5cc of water. Be sure to shake this very well before taking up the dose to be given as it sometimes seperates very quickly in water. Here is a link to pfizer with dosages of their Amoxi-tabs. http://www.pfizerah.com/PAHimages/compliance_pdfs/US_EN_A5_compliance.pdf Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? See, this is why this stuff confuses me. (fish stuff). I get a 250 ml caplet and compound it in 2.5 cc of water. Then I give the cat 10 cc 2x per day (for a 10 pound cat, dosing it down for kittens) . That's not 50 mg. On Nov 19, 2007 2:36 AM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think my first try would be the amoxicillin. If you are using the stuff you can buy for fish without a script be careful to dose it down, usual dose for cats is 50mg a day of amoxicillin for 5 to 7 days. If there is no improvement in 5 days, it isn't working. Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? Does anyone have a preference? I have access to both. Thanks! Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up!
Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?
Proper dosage of Amoxi for cats is 5 - 10mg per pound once a day, usually the vet will give you 50mg tablets for most cats. Proper dosage for Cephalexin is 5 - 15mg per pound every 6 to 12 hours. If you have the bottle of powdered amoxicillin that is supposed to be mixed with water all at once to make a suspension it is very difficult to get the correct dosage when mixing less than the whole bottle because most of the powders contain some fillers and you can't tell how well the amoxi is distrubuted in the powder. I think the 250mg (fishmox) capsules are easier, just mix with 2.5ml (or cc) of water, shake well and give .5ml. The capsules are cheap enough to just throw away the leftover mix if you don't want to bother keeping it. Gary - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:40 PM Subject: RE: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? What if you have a bottle of powdered Amoxi that you are mixing with water? What is the dosage per pound of body weight? Just want to triple check that I am dosing my cats right... Caroline
Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?
Does anyone have a preference? I have access to both. Thanks! Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Gosh- could that time frame be anymore vague! 2-17 days is a long time period! I will ask my mom how she feels about it...she is very protective of LeeRoy- even tho she's not a cat-person- b/c he's the sweetest little boy ever- the nicest cat in the world- a real people-cat and she wouldn't want him to come down with the funk. I know technically they were probably already exposed to some degree since I don't have an iso room- altho this downstairs room is about as isolated as you can get without having a separate ac/heat, etc. And Yoda and the B/W originally had the same URI anyway. Yoda is the only one from that group of 4 kittens (Metro AC orphans but not a litter) that the URI eye symptoms haven't come back on yet since he kicked it in September (the other 2 have been adopted (Tippi and GoGo-- I like to think it's b/c I spent A LOT of time cleaning them with kitty wipes, cleaning ears- Tippi's were the worst I'd seen in my 30 years- and my dad was a vet!, brushing them, pumping them full of high-qual food and supplements and giving them exercise and love...so frankly, they looked better than most of the other cats!) I have not let loose of Yoda though (added him to the condos for adoption)- even tho I know someone would grab him up b/c he's buff-colored and freaking adorable, altho he is kind of an a$$, but the cuteness makes up for it! So he's been living the high life since I took him in so he certainly hasn't had any stress that would bring the URI back out. I even moved and the little booger loved his new room and got to truly bird watch for the first time and he never even missed a beat! So much for moving causing stress on my cats! -Caroline Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:47:54 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Question about URI contagionOddly enough, I just picked up a fact sheet that says incubation is between 2-17 days. I don't know if that helps you. On Nov 16, 2007 9:40 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI. Gloria On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all, besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting. He does not act like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac). I haven't seen green eye funk since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost instantly. I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, showing no signs of infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play-time, or should I wait longer? Thanks,Caroline Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word
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That sounds like good advice! Usually, the agency I work with doesn't treat with oral antibiotics for URI eye symptons, unless accompanied by the sneezing (which the 4 kittens I had at labor day were all sneezin like crazy). Tho the B/W wasn't sneezing when I brought him home, his eyes looks so bad in the condo that I wanted to really knock out the URI, so I decided to treat with an antibiotic, but not Amoxy b/c he had that back in Sept. That was my own decision- the green eye discharge had me worried. I don't think I will keep him on the Clavamox more than 7 days tho, I just don't think it's necessary anymore. The agency I work with also seems to only have powdered Amoxy and Clavamox for treating URIs? I'm sure we could get Zithromax from one of our vets, but if it's more expensive...well, you know how that goes. However, the woman who has been in charge of the group and is clearly burned out and over-loaded (I have complained about her before)-- I took the kittens in originally b/c she had no business having kittens at her house- she is going to back off and step down and has realized she needs to stop being an over-controlling hindrence basically. Which is going to open the door to lots of things and fresh thinking from me, with people who aren't over-controlling that are willing to implement my ideas and better delegate the work...so hopefully, I will be able to push for some better treatment protocols in the very near future. The reins have already been loosened a lot and I've already been able to enact some positive changes. -Caroline Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:13:20 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Question about URI contagion in persians, who are predisposed to uri symptoms at any time, especially in shelter or new situations (stress, no noses to speak of anyway), zithromax has become the drug of choice: we don't even bother with the others for cats we pull from shelters, we just go for the zithro. the other thing is that there's many causes for runny noses and goopy eyes, and unless you actually culture out the emissions, you can't be sure what you're dealing with--might just be that kitty's reaction to stress, might be allergies , might be a virus or bacteria. so once they're responding and feeling better and want to play with the others, i figure that's the best medicine as long as they aren't sneezing constantly! MC Gloria Lane wrote: If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI. Gloria On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). *So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all
Re: Question about URI contagion
in persians, who are predisposed to uri symptoms at any time, especially in shelter or new situations (stress, no noses to speak of anyway), zithromax has become the drug of choice: we don't even bother with the others for cats we pull from shelters, we just go for the zithro. the other thing is that there's many causes for runny noses and goopy eyes, and unless you actually culture out the emissions, you can't be sure what you're dealing with--might just be that kitty's reaction to stress, might be allergies , might be a virus or bacteria. so once they're responding and feeling better and want to play with the others, i figure that's the best medicine as long as they aren't sneezing constantly! MC Gloria Lane wrote: If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI. Gloria On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). *So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all*, besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting. He does not act like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac). I haven't seen green eye funk since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost instantly. I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, showing no signs of infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play-time, or should I wait longer? Thanks, Caroline Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now! http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct
RE: Question about URI contagion
Hi Caroline, I can't answer your Q (tho I'd imagine the infectious period is well over) but just wanted to say how wonderful that your little foster is doing so well in your home. Yup, I've no doubt all the love and care he's getting from you was the cure. What a lucky kitty that he found you. Thanks for everything you do Caroline. Kerry M. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Question about URI contagion Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all, besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting. He does not act like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac). I haven't seen green eye funk since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost instantly. I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, showing no signs of infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play-time, or should I wait longer? Thanks, Caroline _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now! http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_ oct _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Question about URI contagion
Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all, besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting. He does not act like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac). I haven't seen green eye funk since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost instantly. I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, showing no signs of infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play-time, or should I wait longer? Thanks, Caroline _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct
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If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI. Gloria On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all, besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting. He does not act like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac). I haven't seen green eye funk since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost instantly. I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, showing no signs of infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play- time, or should I wait longer? Thanks, Caroline Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now!
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Oddly enough, I just picked up a fact sheet that says incubation is between 2-17 days. I don't know if that helps you. On Nov 16, 2007 9:40 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI. Gloria On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). *So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all*, besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting. He does not act like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac). I haven't seen green eye funk since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost instantly. I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, showing no signs of infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play-time, or should I wait longer? Thanks, Caroline -- Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now!http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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and while it's more expensive, it is usually only a 3-day course, and it rarely needs to be repeated. it's a very nice drug. On Nov 16, 2007 12:01 PM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I order zithromax from www.1drugstore-online.com Much cheaper than US prices. *Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: That sounds like good advice! Usually, the agency I work with doesn't treat with oral antibiotics for URI eye symptons, unless accompanied by the sneezing (which the 4 kittens I had at labor day were all sneezin like crazy). Tho the B/W wasn't sneezing when I brought him home, his eyes looks so bad in the condo that I wanted to really knock out the URI, so I decided to treat with an antibiotic, but not Amoxy b/c he had that back in Sept. That was my own decision- the green eye discharge had me worried. I don't think I will keep him on the Clavamox more than 7 days tho, I just don't think it's necessary anymore. The agency I work with also seems to only have powdered Amoxy and Clavamox for treating URIs? I'm sure we could get Zithromax from one of our vets, but if it's more expensive...well, you know how that goes. However, the woman who has been in charge of the group and is clearly burned out and over-loaded (I have complained about her before)-- I took the kittens in originally b/c she had no business having kittens at her house- she is going to back off and step down and has realized she needs to stop being an over-controlling hindrence basically. Which is going to open the door to lots of things and fresh thinking from me, with people who aren't over-controlling that are willing to implement my ideas and better delegate the work...so hopefully, I will be able to push for some better treatment protocols in the very near future. The reins have already been loosened a lot and I've already been able to enact some positive changes. -Caroline Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:13:20 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Question about URI contagion in persians, who are predisposed to uri symptoms at any time, especially in shelter or new situations (stress, no noses to speak of anyway), zithromax has become the drug of choice: we don't even bother with the others for cats we pull from shelters, we just go for the zithro. the other thing is that there's many causes for runny noses and goopy eyes, and unless you actually culture out the emissions, you can't be sure what you're dealing with--might just be that kitty's reaction to stress, might be allergies , might be a virus or bacteria. so once they're responding and feeling better and want to play with the others, i figure that's the best medicine as long as they aren't sneezing constantly! MC Gloria Lane wrote: If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI. Gloria On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH
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I order zithromax from www.1drugstore-online.com Much cheaper than US prices.
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That sounds like good advice! Usually, the agency I work with doesn't treat
with oral antibiotics for URI eye symptons, unless accompanied by the sneezing
(which the 4 kittens I had at labor day were all sneezin like crazy). Tho the
B/W wasn't sneezing when I brought him home, his eyes looks so bad in the condo
that I wanted to really knock out the URI, so I decided to treat with an
antibiotic, but not Amoxy b/c he had that back in Sept. That was my own
decision- the green eye discharge had me worried. I don't think I will keep
him on the Clavamox more than 7 days tho, I just don't think it's necessary
anymore. The agency I work with also seems to only have powdered Amoxy and
Clavamox for treating URIs? I'm sure we could get Zithromax from one of our
vets, but if it's more expensive...well, you know
how that goes. However, the woman who has been in charge of the group and is
clearly burned out and over-loaded (I have complained about her before)-- I
took the kittens in originally b/c she had no business having kittens at her
house- she is going to back off and step down and has realized she needs to
stop being an over-controlling hindrence basically. Which is going to open the
door to lots of things and fresh thinking from me, with people who aren't
over-controlling that are willing to implement my ideas and better delegate the
work...so hopefully, I will be able to push for some better treatment protocols
in the very near future. The reins have already been loosened a lot and I've
already been able to enact some positive changes.
-Caroline
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:13:20 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Question about URI contagion
in persians, who are predisposed to uri symptoms at any time, especially
in shelter or new situations (stress, no noses to speak of anyway),
zithromax has become the drug of choice: we don't even bother with the
others for cats we pull from shelters, we just go for the zithro.
the other thing is that there's many causes for runny noses and goopy
eyes, and unless you actually culture out the emissions, you can't be
sure what you're dealing with--might just be that kitty's reaction to
stress, might be allergies , might be a virus or bacteria. so once
they're responding and feeling better and want to play with the others,
i figure that's the best medicine as long as they aren't sneezing
constantly!
MC
Gloria Lane wrote:
If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the
others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like
he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck
with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI.
Gloria
On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:
Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W
approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c
he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no
sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor
thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing
at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3
weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of
severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after
treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the
condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the
stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and
he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as
much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the
store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear
stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he
looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he
looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to
take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him
at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him
since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in
the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)-
they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements.
He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster
kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and
away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some
kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's
doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly
because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like
Re: Question about URI contagion
I know, it is quite vague. I expect it depends on the type of URI. There are all sorts of URI so it would make sense incubation periods would be different. You may know this based on your veterinary knowledge, but you can find out what strain of URI it is based on laboratory testing. I can't imagine anyone would want to do that though unless it was something life threatening. On Nov 16, 2007 10:05 AM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gosh- could that time frame be anymore vague! 2-17 days is a long time period! I will ask my mom how she feels about it...she is very protective of LeeRoy- even tho she's not a cat-person- b/c he's the sweetest little boy ever- the nicest cat in the world- a real people-cat and she wouldn't want him to come down with the funk. I know technically they were probably already exposed to some degree since I don't have an iso room- altho this downstairs room is about as isolated as you can get without having a separate ac/heat, etc. And Yoda and the B/W originally had the same URI anyway. Yoda is the only one from that group of 4 kittens (Metro AC orphans but not a litter) that the URI eye symptoms haven't come back on yet since he kicked it in September (the other 2 have been adopted (Tippi and GoGo-- I like to think it's b/c I spent A LOT of time cleaning them with kitty wipes, cleaning ears- Tippi's were the worst I'd seen in my 30 years- and my dad was a vet!, brushing them, pumping them full of high-qual food and supplements and giving them exercise and love...so frankly, they looked better than most of the other cats!) I have not let loose of Yoda though (added him to the condos for adoption)- even tho I know someone would grab him up b/c he's buff-colored and freaking adorable, altho he is kind of an a$$, but the cuteness makes up for it! So he's been living the high life since I took him in so he certainly hasn't had any stress that would bring the URI back out. I even moved and the little booger loved his new room and got to truly bird watch for the first time and he never even missed a beat! So much for moving causing stress on my cats! -Caroline -- Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:47:54 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Question about URI contagion Oddly enough, I just picked up a fact sheet that says incubation is between 2-17 days. I don't know if that helps you. On Nov 16, 2007 9:40 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI. Gloria On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). *So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all*, besides his
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I swear by zithro if they are really sick. Unless it is obvious they are very sick though (not eating, etc) I would usually start with amoxycillin, then go to clavamox, then go to zithro as a last resort. I don't have FELV+ cats though, so I don't know what that throws into the mix. On 1/15/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:32 PM 1/15/2007, you wrote: Expired for how longPills or liquid. I will use pills and capsules for almost a year after expiration dates,Don't tell anyone though, It is the nurse thing in me and most pharmacists can't say it is ok but they tell me it is, liquids,,,no , I have a friend that swears by Zithromax,,,I will forward you a site where to get these things without an Rx.I will get the Zithromax dosage from her and forward it on. http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?Page=2name=Bsname=bptype=Brandbysearch= Kelly Lucy and Patches both have URI's. I am giving them both Lysine, I-R shots sub-q (which does not seem to be as effective as IV but I have not wanted to take them to the vet, and Patches passed out last time someone tried to do something IV to her), and have Lucy on amoxicillin (only abx she can take without irritating her IBD) and Patches on clavamox. So far they have had the URI's for about 4 days, and have been on abx for 3 days (Lucy) and 2 days (Patches). I am used to URI's clearing up faster than this. I used to use dox for URI's, but what I have is expired, my vet is out of town, doubt the other guy would give it to me, and am afraid to give it to Lucy at this point due to IBD. But with dox their symptoms used to clear up within a day or so. The only time i have seen a URI go on this long was with Ginger, who got a bad one after dental surgery and was sick for about 3 weeks despite doing a few abx, but once she got I-R (IV) twice it cleared up. My question is this: when your positive cats get URI's, is it typical that the URI's would last this long (4 days) without getting a lot better? They both have stuffy noses and Patches has runny eyes. The discharge is all clear, though Patches seemed to have a tiny bit of yellow from one eye earlier today. They are both eating (Lucy wasn't for a day or so before I-R and abx), grooming, etc. Patches is also playing. But they can't seem to kick the URI. I have a vicks vaporizer running too, and have used nose drops every other day. They are functioning, and not very sick (knock on wood) but it worries me that they are not getting better. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Yes, I think you may be right, for FELV (or FIV) positives, probably putting them on the antibiotics immediately makes sense... just make sure it's a very broad spectrum one with few resistant bacteria. Amoxicillin, IMO, is pointless. But for healthy cats not at risk, I think waiting it out makes more sense. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
URI question
Lucy and Patches both have URI's. I am giving them both Lysine, I-R shots sub-q (which does not seem to be as effective as IV but I have not wanted to take them to the vet, and Patches passed out last time someone tried to do something IV to her), and have Lucy on amoxicillin (only abx she can take without irritating her IBD) and Patches on clavamox. So far they have had the URI's for about 4 days, and have been on abx for 3 days (Lucy) and 2 days (Patches). I am used to URI's clearing up faster than this. I used to use dox for URI's, but what I have is expired, my vet is out of town, doubt the other guy would give it to me, and am afraid to give it to Lucy at this point due to IBD. But with dox their symptoms used to clear up within a day or so. The only time i have seen a URI go on this long was with Ginger, who got a bad one after dental surgery and was sick for about 3 weeks despite doing a few abx, but once she got I-R (IV) twice it cleared up. My question is this: when your positive cats get URI's, is it typical that the URI's would last this long (4 days) without getting a lot better? They both have stuffy noses and Patches has runny eyes. The discharge is all clear, though Patches seemed to have a tiny bit of yellow from one eye earlier today. They are both eating (Lucy wasn't for a day or so before I-R and abx), grooming, etc. Patches is also playing. But they can't seem to kick the URI. I have a vicks vaporizer running too, and have used nose drops every other day. They are functioning, and not very sick (knock on wood) but it worries me that they are not getting better. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Michelle
Re: URI question
At 05:32 PM 1/15/2007, you wrote: Expired for how longPills or liquid. I will use pills and capsules for almost a year after expiration dates,Don't tell anyone though, It is the nurse thing in me and most pharmacists can't say it is ok but they tell me it is, liquids,,,no , I have a friend that swears by Zithromax,,,I will forward you a site where to get these things without an Rx.I will get the Zithromax dosage from her and forward it on. http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?Page=2name=Bsname=bptype=Brandbysearch= Kelly Lucy and Patches both have URI's. I am giving them both Lysine, I-R shots sub-q (which does not seem to be as effective as IV but I have not wanted to take them to the vet, and Patches passed out last time someone tried to do something IV to her), and have Lucy on amoxicillin (only abx she can take without irritating her IBD) and Patches on clavamox. So far they have had the URI's for about 4 days, and have been on abx for 3 days (Lucy) and 2 days (Patches). I am used to URI's clearing up faster than this. I used to use dox for URI's, but what I have is expired, my vet is out of town, doubt the other guy would give it to me, and am afraid to give it to Lucy at this point due to IBD. But with dox their symptoms used to clear up within a day or so. The only time i have seen a URI go on this long was with Ginger, who got a bad one after dental surgery and was sick for about 3 weeks despite doing a few abx, but once she got I-R (IV) twice it cleared up. My question is this: when your positive cats get URI's, is it typical that the URI's would last this long (4 days) without getting a lot better? They both have stuffy noses and Patches has runny eyes. The discharge is all clear, though Patches seemed to have a tiny bit of yellow from one eye earlier today. They are both eating (Lucy wasn't for a day or so before I-R and abx), grooming, etc. Patches is also playing. But they can't seem to kick the URI. I have a vicks vaporizer running too, and have used nose drops every other day. They are functioning, and not very sick (knock on wood) but it worries me that they are not getting better. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007
Re: URI question
the dox is a bit over one year expired and is pills. The zithromax is a liquid and I have had it for 1.5 years but it does not have an expiration date on it. Michelle In a message dated 1/15/2007 9:43:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 05:32 PM 1/15/2007, you wrote: Expired for how longPills or liquid. I will use pills and capsules for almost a year after expiration dates,Don't tell anyone though, It is the nurse thing in me and most pharmacists can't say it is ok but they tell me it is, liquids,,,no , I have a friend that swears by Zithromax,,,I will forward you a site where to get these things without an Rx.I will get the Zithromax dosage from her and forward it on. _http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?Page=2name=Bsname=bptype=Br andbysearch_ (http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?Page=2name=Bsname=bptype=Brandbysearch) = Kelly
Re: URI question
Does anyone know the dosing for clavamox? I had it left over from it being prescribed for Lucy a couple of months ago (had to stop it because of her ibd) so am giving it to Patches. But Lucy is 8 pounds and Patches is over 11 pounds. I sort of remember Patches being prescribed more than one pill at a time a couple years ago, but she was over 12 pounds then and I am not positive it was clavamox. If anyone knows the dosage per pound, please let me know. Maybe I am not giving her enough. Thanks, Michelle
Re: URI question
Dixie takes 62.5 mg (one pill) twice a day when she is on it for skin problems. She weighs a little over 7 pounds. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:22 PM Subject: Re: URI question Does anyone know the dosing for clavamox? I had it left over from it being prescribed for Lucy a couple of months ago (had to stop it because of her ibd) so am giving it to Patches. But Lucy is 8 pounds and Patches is over 11 pounds. I sort of remember Patches being prescribed more than one pill at a time a couple years ago, but she was over 12 pounds then and I am not positive it was clavamox. If anyone knows the dosage per pound, please let me know. Maybe I am not giving her enough. Thanks, Michelle
Re: URI question
Do you have the 62.5 mg tablets? Pfizer recommends 6.25 mg per pound (http://www.pfizerah.com/product_overview.asp?drug=CTcountry=USlang=ENspecies=FL) but most vets prescribe within a range. You can find dosage info on most any med via google. Just type in something like this -- clavamox cat dosage -- and hit enter. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the dosing for clavamox? I had it left over from it being prescribed for Lucy a couple of months ago (had to stop it because of her ibd) so am giving it to Patches. But Lucy is 8 pounds and Patches is over 11 pounds. I sort of remember Patches being prescribed more than one pill at a time a couple years ago, but she was over 12 pounds then and I am not positive it was clavamox. If anyone knows the dosage per pound, please let me know. Maybe I am not giving her enough. Thanks, Michelle
URI all over my house
Ugh. I come home from work yesterday and every single cat I have (except Caroline, who is isolated) has runny nose and sneezing. Of course Missy, with her bad immune system, has it worse than anyone; she's already got piles of yellow discharge coming out of her nose. And of course my vet is closed until Tuesday. I just had Shimmer at the vet Friday for a bladder infection; he had no signs of URI at that time. WHere does it come from? -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: URI all over my house
I'm wondering if Shimmer brought the URI back from the vet. You can try the children's nose drops called Little Noses. Do you have any antibiotics in the house? Here's a quick paste of some of our discussions on URIs: *Treatment for URI and immune booster* What my vet told me is that the Albuterol works to make them feel better - it breaks up the chest/nasal congestion they have when they have a URI. This is good because when they feel better and can smell their food they start eating. I had a kitten with severe URI that I thought was going to lose. He didn't start eating until after I took him to my current vet and they started nebulizing him. Within 24 hours after that he was eating (I had been syringing him with A/D). My cats have still had to have antibiotics when they have URI, though. Here is a link to more information about Albuterol. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682145.html I keep a nebulizer (bought on Ebay for $25 - MUCH more expensive if bought at a drug store - about $100+) and a stock of Albuterol for sick kittens. My vet sold me a bag of the Albuterol capsules for about $10. * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* *Vitatabs by Naturepet*: I have thought of posting this several times but I really feel almost embarrassed to do so because it seems way too simplistic. When several of my negatives came down at once (again) with URIs (On Christmas Eve no less) and in desperation I visited our pathetic pet store that sells practically nothing useful, I found some Vitatabs by Naturepet. I bought the things not thinking for one moment they would be helpful. I fed them to the cats and all 3 animals recovered by morning. THAT has never happened before. Well, I thought it a tad too good to be true and a few weeks later another cat came down with a mild URI and once again I tried the vitamins and by morning, he was fine. I feed quality pet foods with some fresh food thrown in so there shouldn't be any nutritional inadequacies but nonetheless, I have had success with these vitamins and URIs. In fact, I haven't had any problems with the cats since. I now give the vitamins several times a week. So for what it is worth here is the product: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=10955510dept%5Fid=210brand%5Fid=241Page= http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=10955510dept%5Fid=210brand%5Fid=241Page= Kelley Saveika wrote: Ugh. I come home from work yesterday and every single cat I have (except Caroline, who is isolated) has runny nose and sneezing. Of course Missy, with her bad immune system, has it worse than anyone; she's already got piles of yellow discharge coming out of her nose. And of course my vet is closed until Tuesday. I just had Shimmer at the vet Friday for a bladder infection; he had no signs of URI at that time. WHere does it come from?
Re: URI all over my house
I just got over a terrible cold myself, so I understand how your kitties feel! It can be brought in that same way as a human cold (they are both viruses), so it's possible you brought it in the house on you, if you visited a shelter, or touched any outside cats, it could have come in on your hands or clothes. Or it could have come from the new cat, I recall you saying that your cats have gone in the bathroom with her and you shooed them out. URI can be airborne, and the symptoms can vary from cat to cat, so she may not have looked sick, but still have it (and that would explain her lack of appetite too). Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
Re: URI all over my house
Everyone has clear nasal discharge and sneezing, except Missy who is covered in yellowish snot. I just cleaned about a pound of it off her tiny nose, poor baby. Going to get meds tomorrow. On 1/1/07, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got over a terrible cold myself, so I understand how your kitties feel! It can be brought in that same way as a human cold (they are both viruses), so it's possible you brought it in the house on you, if you visited a shelter, or touched any outside cats, it could have come in on your hands or clothes. Or it could have come from the new cat, I recall you saying that your cats have gone in the bathroom with her and you shooed them out. URI can be airborne, and the symptoms can vary from cat to cat, so she may not have looked sick, but still have it (and that would explain her lack of appetite too). Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.comhttp://awolpet.com/(use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: URI all over my house
Lysine and/or amoxicillin should get rid of it. If not, try Immuno-regulin as well with the immune-compromised kitty. Sometimes lysine alone will get rid of uri's. Michelle In a message dated 1/1/2007 7:06:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh. I come home from work yesterday and every single cat I have (except Caroline, who is isolated) has runny nose and sneezing. Of course Missy, with her bad immune system, has it worse than anyone; she's already got piles of yellow discharge coming out of her nose. And of course my vet is closed until Tuesday. I just had Shimmer at the vet Friday for a bladder infection; he had no signs of URI at that time. WHere does it come from?
OT Happy New Year! URI Human to Cats?
Hi everyone! I have been very busy and am trying to catch up with the postings and everything happing. I hope everyone is doing fine and that we all have the VERY best new yr!:) I have a question...might have been asked /answered already. My entire household has just gotten over nasty URI. My son actually having to go to the hospital. Of course in the mist of a hectic week:( and holidays. We are all fine now:) 100% but Crackers is sneezing and once in awhile coughing. But is fine other then that. Eating like a horse. bathrooming fine and is still very playful and purring like a motor boat. I will take him to vet just to check. LOL I hope new vet doesn't think Im crazy! Then again my son goes to Dr.s the second he blinks wrong. I guess ...whats the saying better to awe on the side of caution. Ok after that long paragragh LOL Here is the question??? Can cats catch the URI from us humans. We all have been sick and I did goe inside one animal shelter with my son to drop off christmas gifts to the orphans but with time being short these few past weeks we didn't go in and play with any of them. Hope everything is fine. HAPPY NEW YR! kayte and Crackers
Re: OT Happy New Year! URI Human to Cats?
Hi Kayte, I'm sorry your son was in the hospital. That is no good, especially around Christmas. Human URI and cat URI aren't interchangeable. Even though I know it seems that way sometimes - my cats and I are all sick right now! On 1/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone! I have been very busy and am trying to catch up with the postings and everything happing. I hope everyone is doing fine and that we all have the VERY best new yr!:) I have a question...might have been asked /answered already. My entire household has just gotten over nasty URI. My son actually having to go to the hospital. Of course in the mist of a hectic week:( and holidays. We are all fine now:) 100% but Crackers is sneezing and once in awhile coughing. But is fine other then that. Eating like a horse. bathrooming fine and is still very playful and purring like a motor boat. I will take him to vet just to check. LOL I hope new vet doesn't think Im crazy! Then again my son goes to Dr.s the second he blinks wrong. I guess ...whats the saying better to awe on the side of caution. Ok after that long paragragh LOL Here is the question??? Can cats catch the URI from us humans. We all have been sick and I did goe inside one animal shelter with my son to drop off christmas gifts to the orphans but with time being short these few past weeks we didn't go in and play with any of them. Hope everything is fine. HAPPY NEW YR! kayte and Crackers -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT Happy New Year! URI Human to Cats?
An interesting topic that always peaks my interest. I believe there are a few zoonotic diseases that can have upper respiratory effets in both cats and humans, and are transmissible visa-versa, namely Chlamydia and Tuberculosis (both very rare) come to mind, but there's another too, that I can't find off-hand. NOT, the common cold or typical feline URI though! http://www.messybeast.com/zoonoses.htm says: Persistent streptococcal infections in cats can cause tonsilitis and pharyngitis in the owners. Feline conjunctivitis can be caused by a variety of conditions including bacterial or viral infections; conjunctivitis caused by a foreign body may lead to a secondary bacterial infection. Since some of these germs can also infect humans, it is wise to observe basic hygiene precautions when handling cats with conjunctivitis. Most cases are easily treated in both cats and humans by eye drops and eye ointments - often containing the same active ingredients! Mycobacterium tuberculosis and related tuberculosis-causing mycobacteria can infect cats and be transmitted to humans. It is particularly dangerous to humans with poor immune systems e.g. with HIV. Since there is no fully effective treatment in cats, euthanasia is recommended to reduce the risk to humans. It is, however, a rare disease in cats. Most viruses are extremely species specific. Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, Feline Infectious Peritonitis, and Feline Leukaemia Virus can not cause illness in people. A cat can not catch a human common cold, although there is indication that canine coronavirus infection may potentiate FIP in cats and human influenza can infect cats. As well as rabies, there are a few feline viral infections which can cause illness in humans. Chlamydia causes conjunctivitis in cats and, less commonly, respiratory symptoms. In humans it can cause pneumonia; however human infection (psittacosis) is generally from parrots and cage birds. There are only isolated cases of chlamydia being spread from cat to human. Chlamydia psitta ci was renamed chlamydophilia felis in 2002, reflecting its role in causing conjunctivitis in cats and its prevalence. However, the old name is still widely used and probably more familiar to doctors and veterinarians. And noteworthy: Asian Bird Flu Feline H5N1(goes from cat to human MAYBE, but not visa-versa) In February 2004, scientists in Thailand confirmed the first cases of Asian Bird Flu in cats. The H5N1 virus is most common in intensively farmed chickens, but also affects pigeons, ducks and other wildfowl. It had killed 22 people across several Asian countries. Thai veterinarian Teeraphon Sirinauemit confirmed that H5N1 bird flu had been found in domestic cats and a white tiger (by 2006, 147 tigers in a Thai Zoo had died after eating infected chicken). The discovery was significant because every time the virus jumps species, the risk of mutation into a human form increases. Autopsies and virus tests found H5N1 in 3 cats at Kasetsart University's animal hospital. They were among 15 cats owned by a man living near an infected chicken farm in Nakorn Pathom, 37 miles (60 Km) west of Bangkok. At least one cat had eaten an infected chicken carcass and 14 of the 15 cats died. A white tiger at Khao Khiew private zoo in Chonburi province tested positive for H5N1, but recovered. H5N1 killed a rare Thai clouded leopard at the same zoo in January 2004. The cause was raw chicken fed to the big cats. The occurrence of H5N1 in domestic cats is due to eating raw chicken, proximity to infected farms, through contact with infected bird carcasses or through close contact with cats already infected. All the affected domestic cats had a high degree of exposure to the virus. Almost all cases of H5N1 in humans are traceable to infected chickens or infected wildfowl. Although cats are susceptible to the virus, they have not been found to pose a danger to humans. Thai pet owners took immediate precautions, switching meals from cooked chicken to beef. Owners were advised not to let their cats eat dead chicken carcasses, dead birds, or any dead animals found in infected areas. Cat lovers who feed the strays and semi-feral cats around temples were asked not to feed raw chicken. This aims to prevent H5N1 from jumping to other cats and reduces the risk of mutation. By April 2006, there are still no known cases of bird flu transmitted from cats to humans. However, it is recommended that cats be kept indoors (and dogs be kept on the leash) in areas where H5N1 is confirmed. There is no data on how easily cats become infected or whether they can excrete the virus in a form infectious to humans or back to birds once infected. Infected cats get lung or gut infections. In areas where H5N1 is not endemic there is little cause for owners to be concerned. Cat welfare groups fear a witch-hunt against feral cats and an increase in abandoned or unwanted cats. Preventing cats from coming into contact with infected birds keeps cats
RE: Crackers threw his URI/Cold
Title: Message Hi Kayte, I haven't been posting recently but Crackers has been in my prayers along with all the other sick kitties. So glad to hear he's feeling a lot better. Good luck at the vet's! Kerry M. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:43 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Crackers threw his URI/Cold Crackers has thrown his cold/URI..his nose and eyesare no longer running and his sneezing is gone. Maybe this dollface has a good immune sytem right now. I have an appointment today 4:20 NEW VET 1ST trip. Cross your paws his checkup comes out good. Like this vet so far.And that's just from talking over phone. Hope all your babies are feeling ok and u all are too. Crackers sends love and kisses to all Kayte IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Crackers threw his URI/Cold
Oh Kayte, what a relief to hear Crackers is no longer showing symptoms of his URI. Hooray! Paws crossed that you both fall in love with the new vet! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crackers has thrown his cold/URI..his nose and eyes are no longer running and his sneezing is gone. Maybe this dollface has a good immune sytem right now. I have an appointment today 4:20 NEW VET 1ST trip. Cross your paws his checkup comes out good. Like this vet so far. And that's just from talking over phone. Hope all your babies are feeling ok and u all are too. Crackers sends love and kisses to all Kayte
Cracker's URI
Kayte, Have you looked into Immuno-Regulin yet? One of our list members used it subq, (under the skin injections) instead of the recommended IV (intravenous). I haven't tried it myself, but it might be in order for Cracker's URI. What has your vet prescribed? Did they put him on any medications? One thing about our felv babies is that you have to hit any sign of illness hard and fast. I'm glad you are feeling more relaxed and confident, but don't take a wait and see approach with this. It already sounds like it's getting worse, not better. Keep us up to date on how that darling Crackers of yours is doing. Prayers that he's better very soon, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kelly I am feeling better.. Crackers is sick for the first time in his life...a cold im thinking...i have a vet appointment tomorrow. I look at crackers as my first living on my own pet and my baby...I got him 5 yrs ago he has been with me my entire "adult" life. Since he was 9 weeks old:) He is walking around sneezing on everything..My 4 yr old thinks it is the "cutest". Crackers is handling his first "sick" time great..I been baby talking him saying Oh my dad whats the matter...He sneezes and then licks it up. Other than that he has been fine. LOVING his new food. Eats like a horse and playing like a kitten. Kelly Good Luck with the IFA on Max. I am sure Max will be ok. Thanks for your support. Crackers sends u and max lots of kisses:) kayte You sound so much better and I am so glad to hear it, I'll bet you can look at Crackers now and see your wonderful companion rather than an terminally ill animal, I am still awaiting the IFA results on Max but we are enjoying the heck out ofr him and hes is just a bundle of juvenile cat curiosity, I am starting the Immuno Regulin if the IFA is pos. I have it already. One day at a time,,,but enjoy the days right now. Kelly
Re: Cracker's URI
Nina and Kayte My 2 cents... I asked my new young vet to look into I R and she went to her same internet group that poo pooed DEX and got the word that it wasn't any better than interferon.. If you have been following my story you know what I am thinking about the decision to not give Leo more DEX However I have seen interferon work miracles sometimes... I don't remember if Crackers is on interferon or not but I believe all FeLV+ kitties should have it on hand and given it at the 1st sign of any bug... The last kitty that I got is a double pos. and came from a vet that has her on it all the time even though she seems perfectly well... So not all vets are afraid to give meds before they are dying and its too late... OOPS...Guess I am still ranting.. Tad Nina wrote: Kayte, Have you looked into Immuno-Regulin yet? One of our list members used it subq, (under the skin injections) instead of the recommended IV (intravenous). I haven't tried it myself, but it might be in order for Cracker's URI. What has your vet prescribed? Did they put him on any medications? One thing about our felv babies is that you have to hit any sign of illness hard and fast. I'm glad you are feeling more relaxed and confident, but don't take a wait and see approach with this. It already sounds like it's getting worse, not better. Keep us up to date on how that darling Crackers of yours is doing. Prayers that he's better very soon, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kelly I am feeling better.. Crackers is sick for the first time in his life...a cold im thinking...i have a vet appointment tomorrow. I look at crackers as my first living on my own pet and my baby...I got him 5 yrs ago he has been with me my entire "adult" life. Since he was 9 weeks old:) He is walking around sneezing on everything..My 4 yr old thinks it is the "cutest". Crackers is handling his first "sick" time great..I been baby talking him saying Oh my dad whats the matter...He sneezes and then licks it up. Other than that he has been fine. LOVING his new food. Eats like a horse and playing like a kitten. Kelly Good Luck with the IFA on Max. I am sure Max will be ok. Thanks for your support. Crackers sends u and max lots of kisses:) kayte You sound so much better and I am so glad to hear it, I'll bet you can look at Crackers now and see your wonderful companion rather than an terminally ill animal, I am still awaiting the IFA results on Max but we are enjoying the heck out ofr him and hes is just a bundle of juvenile cat curiosity, I am starting the Immuno Regulin if the IFA is pos. I have it already. One day at a time,,,but enjoy the days right now. Kelly
Re: URI
In a message dated 12/11/2005 4:41:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People mentioned Lysine to me, but I was wondering how you administer it, and how much to give. 250 mg per tablet twice a day You can get this at any drug or health store. No prescription needed. I have seen it in drug stores in pill form -- do you crush it or does it come in powder as well? I have the pill form and crush it into their wetfood daily. I give them Tuna w/water or ground chicken. How much do you give and for what duration? they should have at least 500 mg per day use it everyday it helps the immune system (builds it up) Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: URI
Someone else on the list swore by a product called "Little Noses" decongestant nose drops for human infants and children. It warns on the label to not use it with any other decongestants and that there might be side effects of increased nasal discharge, sneezing, and the ones that bother me the most, burning and stinging. You could ask your vet about it. I don't think I'd spray it into the nose, if the congestion was bad enough to warrant trying it, I'd probably use a qtip to lightly apply, maybe even followed by some vasiline to prevent burning. Nina Marissa wrote: thanks everyone. I will try the lysine and keep in mind the Triaminic and Immmuno for if things get worse (hopefully they won't) Marissa On 12/11/05, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was giving Maizee Lysine in the powdery form,I would put it in my hand and the silly girl would lick it.That didn't work all the time and it was messy,I also mixed it with fish food,yes I said fish food,she was a silly baby.But most of the time I put a scoop of it in some tuna in the morning and at night I put some in her capsule with her prednosolone. Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree about L-Lysine - that stuff works well on Herpes URI. I sometimes usually use 250-500 mg twice a day, and I generally don't worry about overdosing. It's so easy - you can mix it with food, or syringe it with fluid, or use the paste. Great stuff. Gloria At 06:50 PM 12/11/2005, you wrote: I like L-Lysine. You can administer it by mixing it in food. It comes in capsules which you can open and mix. I would say 500 mg. of L-Lysine once a day. I had bought some in free form and it was more granular than powder which they don't like so be careful if you find in free form that it is powdery. Good luck -- PAT Marissa wrote: Hi everyone, Well Jake has fully regained his appetite, and the diarrhea is getting better. Still not totally solid but its getting there. The vet game me i/d food and it seems to be helping, and I also got him benebac and Diarsanyl, thanks to the suggestions of this group. He still has been coughing and sneezing so I want to try to address that as well. People mentioned Lysine to me, but I was wondering how you administer it, and how much to give. I have seen it in drug stores in pill form -- do you crush it or does it come in powder as well? How much do you give and for what duration? Any other suggestions for URIs? He is doing great otherwise -- playful troublemaker and cute as can be! Thanks so much for all of your help, I really appreciate it! (So does Jake) Marissa Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
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Nina~ That was me with the "Little Noses", and it is very effective, and it did not have any "burning or stinging" effect on me- and we do use it "sparingly", as in not squirting a whole spray.... And we use it at onset of URI - before getting into any drugs.(Like to stay away from pharmaceuticals whenever possible, especially with our immune compromised kitties). It was recommended by one of our vets who also believes that antibiotics are over-prescribed, over-used and can cause more harm than good. Also, with URI's, if the cause is viral,(and most cases ARE viral),AB's are a waste. As always, Lysine is a "standard". Patti
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Hi everyone, Well Jake has fully regained his appetite, and the diarrhea is getting better. Still not totally solid but its getting there. The vet game me i/d food and it seems to be helping, and I also got him benebac and Diarsanyl, thanks to the suggestions of this group. He still has been coughing and sneezing so I want to try to address that as well. People mentioned Lysine to me, but I was wondering how you administer it, and how much to give. I have seen it in drug stores in pill form -- do you crush it or does it come in powder as well? How much do you give and for what duration? Any other suggestions for URIs? He is doing great otherwise -- playful troublemakerand cute as can be! Thanks so much for all of your help, I really appreciate it! (So does Jake) Marissa
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I like L-Lysine. You can administer it by mixing it in food. It comes in capsules which you can open and mix. I would say 500 mg. of L-Lysine once a day.I had bought some in free form and it was more granular than powder which they don't like so be careful if you findin freeform that it is powdery.Good luck -- PAT Marissa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi everyone,Well Jake has fully regained his appetite, and the diarrhea is getting better. Still not totally solid but its getting there. The vet game me i/d food and it seems to be helping, and I also got him benebac and Diarsanyl, thanks to the suggestions of this group. He still has been coughing and sneezing so I want to try to address that as well. People mentioned Lysine to me, but I was wondering how you administer it, and how much to give. I have seen it in drug stores in pill form -- do you crush it or does it come in powder as well? How much do you give and for what duration? Any other suggestions for URIs? He is doing great otherwise -- playful troublemakerand cute as can be! Thanks so much for all of your help, I really appreciate it! (So does Jake)Marissa Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
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I agree about L-Lysine - that stuff works well on Herpes URI. I sometimes usually use 250-500 mg twice a day, and I generally don't worry about overdosing. It's so easy - you can mix it with food, or syringe it with fluid, or use the paste. Great stuff. Gloria At 06:50 PM 12/11/2005, you wrote: I like L-Lysine. You can administer it by mixing it in food. It comes in capsules which you can open and mix. I would say 500 mg. of L-Lysine once a day. I had bought some in free form and it was more granular than powder which they don't like so be careful if you find in free form that it is powdery. Good luck -- PAT Marissa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Well Jake has fully regained his appetite, and the diarrhea is getting better. Still not totally solid but its getting there. The vet game me i/d food and it seems to be helping, and I also got him benebac and Diarsanyl, thanks to the suggestions of this group. He still has been coughing and sneezing so I want to try to address that as well. People mentioned Lysine to me, but I was wondering how you administer it, and how much to give. I have seen it in drug stores in pill form -- do you crush it or does it come in powder as well? How much do you give and for what duration? Any other suggestions for URIs? He is doing great otherwise -- playful troublemaker and cute as can be! Thanks so much for all of your help, I really appreciate it! (So does Jake) Marissa Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/footer/shopping/*http://shopping.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTE2bzVzaHJtBF9TAzk1OTQ5NjM2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFnBHNsawNob2xpZGF5LTA1Yahoo! Shopping
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The other suggestion besides Lysine is Immuno-regulin, which has to be given by IV injection so you need a cooperative vet. You can buy it online yourself though. It really helped my Patches get over pneumonia and my Ginger to get over a long-term URI that had been making her not eat for weeks (I had to syringe feed her). After the second dose of I-R Ginger started eating. I-R can have temporary side effects like fever, though, and is a pain due to needing a vet or vet tech to administer it. As for symptoms, a vet recommended Triaminic, a children's cold medicine, to me. I gave .2 (that's point two, or two tenths, not two) cc's of it to Ginger twice a day for a few days and it cleared up her nose enough so she wanted to eat. But there is only one kind that is safe to give them. I need to check but it is the simplest one, and I think it is the orange one. I will look when I go downstairs and email the exact formula. This is not a cure, but helps with symptoms. Michelle
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The Triaminic is the Cold and Allergy one, and the flavor is orange (not cats' favorites!), and the dosage for cats is 2/10 of one cc twice a day. Michelle
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I was giving Maizee Lysine in the powdery form,I would put it in my hand and the silly girl would lick it.That didn't work all the time and it was messy,I also mixed it with fish food,yes I said fish food,she was a silly baby.But most of the time I put a scoop of it in some tuna in the morning and at night I put some in her capsule with her prednosolone. Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree about L-Lysine - that stuff works well on Herpes URI. I sometimes usually use 250-500 mg twice a day, and I generally don't worry about overdosing. It's so easy - you can mix it with food, or syringe it with fluid, or use the paste. Great stuff.GloriaAt 06:50 PM 12/11/2005, you wrote:I like L-Lysine. You can administer it by mixing it in food. It comes in capsules which you can open and mix. I would say 500 mg. of L-Lysine once a day. I had bought some in free form and it was more granular than powder which they don't like so be careful if you find in free form that it is powdery. Good luck -- PATMarissa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hi everyone,Well Jake has fully regained his appetite, and the diarrhea is getting better. Still not totally solid but its getting there. The vet game me i/d food and it seems to be helping, and I also got him benebac and Diarsanyl, thanks to the suggestions of this group.He still has been coughing and sneezing so I want to try to address that as well. People mentioned Lysine to me, but I was wondering how you administer it, and how much to give. I have seen it in drug stores in pill form -- do you crush it or does it come in powder as well? How much do you give and for what duration? Any other suggestions for URIs? He is doing great otherwise -- playful troublemaker and cute as can be!Thanks so much for all of your help, I really appreciate it! (So does Jake)MarissaYahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
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thanks everyone. I will try the lysine and keep in mind the Triaminic and Immmuno for if things get worse (hopefully they won't) Marissa On 12/11/05, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was giving Maizee Lysine in the powdery form,I would put it in my hand and the silly girl would lick it.That didn't work all the time and it was messy,I also mixed it with fish food,yes I said fish food,she was a silly baby.But most of the time I put a scoop of it in some tuna in the morning and at night I put some in her capsule with her prednosolone. Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree about L-Lysine - that stuff works well on Herpes URI. I sometimes usually use 250-500 mg twice a day, and I generally don't worry about overdosing. It's so easy - you can mix it with food, or syringe it with fluid, or use the paste. Great stuff.GloriaAt 06:50 PM 12/11/2005, you wrote:I like L-Lysine. You can administer it by mixing it in food. It comes in capsules which you can open and mix. I would say 500 mg. of L-Lysine once a day. I had bought some in free form and it was more granular than powder which they don't like so be careful if you find in free form that it is powdery. Good luck -- PATMarissa wrote:Hi everyone,Well Jake has fully regained his appetite, and the diarrhea is getting better. Still not totally solid but its getting there. The vet game me i/d food and it seems to be helping, and I also got him benebac and Diarsanyl, thanks to the suggestions of this group.He still has been coughing and sneezing so I want to try to address that as well. People mentioned Lysine to me, but I was wondering how you administer it, and how much to give. I have seen it in drug stores in pill form -- do you crush it or does it come in powder as well? How much do you give and for what duration? Any other suggestions for URIs? He is doing great otherwise -- playful troublemaker and cute as can be!Thanks so much for all of your help, I really appreciate it! (So does Jake) MarissaYahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
