Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
One hyphen bug is fixed in 2007c: hyphens at the end of a system are no longer too near to the last syllable of the system. But the disappearing hyphens still disappear, so hyphens are still in a bad way: 2007c remains unsuitable for serious publishing with lyrics. Michael On 16 Feb 2007, at 00:20, Randolph Peters wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
Dear Colleagues! Having a new problem I can't figure out myself, I turn to you again. Is there a way to start cue notes IN a multimeasure rest? Let me explain: the cue notes start with an upbeat (let's say in measure 20), carry on a bit and then the violin sets in. This upbeat is the problem! The only thing I can get is a MM rest of 19 rests, followed by a half empty measure with this only upbeat (and of course the whole rest for the violin). But the publisher wants a MM rest of 20 measures, starting the upbeat IN the MM rest! Is there a way in Finale to make this? I hope I explained it clearly and I hope very much that one of you can help me! Thanks for now, Minke Hylarides ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
First: I don't like this request from your publisher. However there is a work around: - after optimizing go to scroll view; - add a dummy staff and uncheck all items do display in Staff Attributes, except notes and relatifs. Also uncheck the Option Display Rests in empty measures; - insert the notes you want in the *first* measure of the MM and in an unused layer ; - go back to page view. You will not see the added staff, but reoptimizing this system only will bring him back; - set both staffs to the same top offset so they overlap. That should do it. I tryed it out with vs 2005b, maybe some items are renamed in newer versions. Regards, Hans === You will excuse me for any typo's due to a visual handicap. On 16 feb 2007, at 10:01, Minke Hylarides wrote: Dear Colleagues! Having a new problem I can't figure out myself, I turn to you again. Is there a way to start cue notes IN a multimeasure rest? Let me explain: the cue notes start with an upbeat (let's say in measure 20), carry on a bit and then the violin sets in. This upbeat is the problem! The only thing I can get is a MM rest of 19 rests, followed by a half empty measure with this only upbeat (and of course the whole rest for the violin). But the publisher wants a MM rest of 20 measures, starting the upbeat IN the MM rest! Is there a way in Finale to make this? Thanks for now, Minke Hylarides ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
I'm afraid I have to agree with Hans that what your publisher is asking for is, frankly, an absolutely dreadful idea. My first instinct would be to report back: Sorry, can't be done, I guess we'll have to go with a 19-measure MM rest. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 4:01 AM, Minke Hylarides wrote: Dear Colleagues! Having a new problem I can't figure out myself, I turn to you again. Is there a way to start cue notes IN a multimeasure rest? Let me explain: the cue notes start with an upbeat (let's say in measure 20), carry on a bit and then the violin sets in. This upbeat is the problem! The only thing I can get is a MM rest of 19 rests, followed by a half empty measure with this only upbeat (and of course the whole rest for the violin). But the publisher wants a MM rest of 20 measures, starting the upbeat IN the MM rest! Is there a way in Finale to make this? I hope I explained it clearly and I hope very much that one of you can help me! Thanks for now, Minke Hylarides ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
On 16.02.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm afraid I have to agree with Hans that what your publisher is asking for is, frankly, an absolutely dreadful idea. My first instinct would be to report back: Sorry, can't be done, I guess we'll have to go with a 19-measure MM rest. What Minke is asking for is standard in most modern European editions, see for instance the parts for Neue Bach Ausgabe of any of the big Bach choral works. It is by no means a dreadful idea, it simply saves a lot of space in tight situations. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
shirling neueweise wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. and, that's all. nice. Not if you're on a Mac -- it also adds the Kontakt2 player, if I understand the info on the site. But if you're on Windows, that really does seem to be all, and for only a 63MB download! (I know, it also includes the updates from 2007a and 2007b, so that people only have to download one single file to get the most recent version.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT Daylight Savings Changes
At 2/16/2007 06:01 AM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins wrote: According to MacFixit, Apple finally released a DST patch for those of us running OS 10.3.9. http://www.macfixit.com/search.php?productID=31914 Well, that's better than Microsoft. They have released a patch which our IT group says to not download because it screws up Outlook. Fortunately, at home, I do not use Outloser, so it won't be a problem ;-) I am forced to use it at work. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT Daylight Savings Changes
On Fri, February 16, 2007 7:11 am, Phil Daley wrote: Well, that's better than Microsoft. They have released a patch which our IT group says to not download because it screws up Outlook. Maybe they should take a look at the Time Zone Data Update Tool for Microsoft Office Outlook: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931667/en-us. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT Daylight Savings Changes
At 2/16/2007 07:28 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Maybe they should take a look at the Time Zone Data Update Tool for Microsoft Office Outlook: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931667/en-us. The last thing I heard was that Microsoft was working on a patch. This may be what they are looking for. Thanks. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 16.02.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm afraid I have to agree with Hans that what your publisher is asking for is, frankly, an absolutely dreadful idea. My first instinct would be to report back: Sorry, can't be done, I guess we'll have to go with a 19-measure MM rest. What Minke is asking for is standard in most modern European editions, see for instance the parts for Neue Bach Ausgabe of any of the big Bach choral works. It is by no means a dreadful idea, it simply saves a lot of space in tight situations. Johannes And also still shows that the instrument not playing the cues has a 20 measure rest. I've seen this in published music before and it's never been a source of confusion. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 16.02.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm afraid I have to agree with Hans that what your publisher is asking for is, frankly, an absolutely dreadful idea. My first instinct would be to report back: Sorry, can't be done, I guess we'll have to go with a 19-measure MM rest. What Minke is asking for is standard in most modern European editions, see for instance the parts for Neue Bach Ausgabe of any of the big Bach choral works. It is by no means a dreadful idea, it simply saves a lot of space in tight situations. Johannes And also still shows that the instrument not playing the cues has a 20 measure rest. I've seen this in published music before and it's never been a source of confusion. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it does look fine indeed, but how to produce it with Finale? Is the way Hans suggested still the only one?! Best regards, Minke ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
Minke Hylarides wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 16.02.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm afraid I have to agree with Hans that what your publisher is asking for is, frankly, an absolutely dreadful idea. My first instinct would be to report back: Sorry, can't be done, I guess we'll have to go with a 19-measure MM rest. What Minke is asking for is standard in most modern European editions, see for instance the parts for Neue Bach Ausgabe of any of the big Bach choral works. It is by no means a dreadful idea, it simply saves a lot of space in tight situations. Johannes And also still shows that the instrument not playing the cues has a 20 measure rest. I've seen this in published music before and it's never been a source of confusion. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it does look fine indeed, but how to produce it with Finale? Is the way Hans suggested still the only one?! Another way might be (I haven't tried this but I don't see why it wouldn't work): 1) add a measure between the 20-measure rest and the first measure following the multi-measure rest; 2) in the measure attributes dialog UNcheck the box: include in measure numbers; 3) in the measure attributes dialog set Time Signature to Hide Always for that measure; 4) in the measure attributes dialog set Key Signature to Hide Always for that measure; 5) for the measure before this added measure set the barline to Invisible, using measure tool; 6) set time signature to only what's necessary to show the grace notes -- click the Options button and select Use Other Signature for Display and set it to the normal time signature for the surrounding music (this makes step 3 redundant, but better safe than sorry); 7) enter the cue notes; 8) use the percent tool to reduce the size of these notes to cue size; 9) adjust spacing. It's a lot of work, but then so is Hans' suggested method. I don't know of an easier method. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
Well, if you do not mind renumbering measures yo can simply add an extra measure after the multimeasure rest and enter the notes as pickup notes and then make the right barline invisible. ___ J. Scott Jones Band/Orchestra Director/Freelance Trumpet Player-Teacher/Music Engraver On Feb 16, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Minke Hylarides wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 16.02.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm afraid I have to agree with Hans that what your publisher is asking for is, frankly, an absolutely dreadful idea. My first instinct would be to report back: Sorry, can't be done, I guess we'll have to go with a 19-measure MM rest. What Minke is asking for is standard in most modern European editions, see for instance the parts for Neue Bach Ausgabe of any of the big Bach choral works. It is by no means a dreadful idea, it simply saves a lot of space in tight situations. Johannes And also still shows that the instrument not playing the cues has a 20 measure rest. I've seen this in published music before and it's never been a source of confusion. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it does look fine indeed, but how to produce it with Finale? Is the way Hans suggested still the only one?! Best regards, Minke ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Pitch Rotation
At 09:15 AM 2/16/2007 +1100, Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote: Yes, except that would push the durations to the right as well, but I just want the pitches (i.e. durations stay exactly the same). I understand what you need -- I've wanted it myself for compositional purposes, kind of an isorhythmic thing. Alas, I've always done it by hand ... reminds me of the pen and paper days. The same goes for any algorithmic approach. I wish patterns could be applied. Directly, without having to import bits pieces of Midi files, which then create an incredible morass of badly translated rhythms. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Composers Copyists
THanks for your reply: (I'm assuming this came from Jef) Please see my responses inserted below. (1) As a Copyist, I am finding that I am having a hard time locating new clients, as many composers/arrangers have also purchased notation packages and do their own work, as have several of my former clients. What advice does anyone have on this? take a few scores you think are out of your league in regards to notational challenges or quality and bring yourself up to and beyond that level, which will provide you with examples of your work you are proud of. I have visited your site and am familiar with the samples you have posted and the level at which you are working (cutaway scores, etc.) is beyond anything I have done thus far. However, there are examples of scores parts I have done on my site that presented unique problems and solutions that are explained in the descriptions of the samples I provide. They involve some departure from traditional legit notation, even though not to the extent of the work you folks specialize in. I have provided finish copy to Boosey Hawkes, Theodore Presser, Advance Music (GMBH), Seesaw Music/Subtio Music, and numerous composers, musicians, bandleaders, Broadway producers, recording studios, etc. over the years, with positive feedback from all parties. The quality of the work has never been an issue so far. develop your own fonts. Here is something that I have not spent a lot of time with, as most of the time clients have certain preferences I respect. I usually ask what they prefer. Howevere, I am very interested in exploring a replacement for the Jazz Font which I find to be clumsy and at times, even though I do get requests for it. I'm even willing to learn how to create a font from scratch, but feel that this is probably a huge learning curve that will dig deeply into time I could be writing new music. Anyone suggestions regarding fonts that work well with Macintosh and Finale would be greatly appreciated: I'm going to look into the Bill Duncan fonts that Chuck Israels has mentioned. make better scores than others and learn how to work efficiently under unreasonable deadlines. That has been the norm for the past 30 years. I have yet to miss a deadline (even when I get a sudden unexpected set of revisions). I'm usually way early and waiting for the composer to approve the final proof. contact the people you want to work for and propose something to them explaining - very diplomatically - why your work is so great that they should hire you. you may or may not hear back from them (soon, or at all). This ties into the second question I asked about locating contacting people. repeat the above from the top have done will continue to do repeat the above from the top. Is this the department of redundancy department? ;-) Some of the people I want to contact cannot be found with my attempts at Googling them; probably because they don't want to be found. or because they receive 400 other such emails per week and so don't post their email address. As you probably experience as well, and I do appreciate your response and your candor; thank you again. shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
Scott Jones wrote: Well, if you do not mind renumbering measures yo can simply add an extra measure after the multimeasure rest and enter the notes as pickup notes and then make the right barline invisible. In Fin2007 you don't even have to renumber the measures -- there's a checkbox in the measure attributes to include the measure in measure numbers. Simply uncheck that box (it's checked by default for every measure that's created) and it won't mess with the measure numbers (at least the displayed measure numbers -- Finale still counts it and you can have fun trying to get to a specific measure onscreen if you've got any of these supposedly unincluded measures, but that's a different gripe for a different thread.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
On 16.02.2007 dhbailey wrote: In Fin2007 you don't even have to renumber the measures -- there's a checkbox in the measure attributes to include the measure in measure numbers. Simply uncheck that box (it's checked by default for every measure that's created) and it won't mess with the measure numbers (at least the displayed measure numbers -- Finale still counts it and you can have fun trying to get to a specific measure onscreen if you've got any of these supposedly unincluded measures, but that's a different gripe for a different thread.) There is actually a pretty serious bug here: When display defined measure numbers is on, and any measures are not included in the numbering, changing measure attributes for single measures can cause serious problems. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
I have a solution, but it's nasty work. I've encountered similar issues before and you have to lie to Finale and make it do things it doesn't want to do. I'm assuming that your concern here is only with the individual part, and not the score, so here goes. In m. 20 (where you want to see the cue notes) enter the rests and cue notes that you want to see (at full size). Hide the ones you don't want to see. Reduce the entries as needed (percentage tool for individual notes/rests, or mass mover tool for all). In the preceding measures (that should comprise the 20 measure MM rest, enter whole rests (depending on the meter, if it's 3/4 use dotted half, etc) and hide them. Then, using the Measure Tool, select 1-19 to have no bar lines. Select the width to extremely small (your choice). Now, go to the Expressions tool, select Staff Expression and create the 20 bar multi measure rest in the Shape Designer. (You can copy the default shape of the MM rest, which I think is Shape ID 0), or you can start from scratch using the drawing tools available. If you have ever used Freehand or Illustrator or any drawing program this should not be unbearably tedious. Be sure to include the numbers (20) over the MM rest; this should be a complete, stand alone MM rest clone so you can place it in the part and have it look authentic. One you finish, make sure that the shape is not selected to stretch or expand with the music and click it into the part somewhere near the approximate center of the 20 measure range you already modified. You'll have to play with the system layout and possibly change the width of the measures that comprise this fake MM rest (using the measure tool), but you should end up with something that looks like what they want to see. Fun, huh? Dear Colleagues! Having a new problem I can't figure out myself, I turn to you again. Is there a way to start cue notes IN a multimeasure rest? Let me explain: the cue notes start with an upbeat (let's say in measure 20), carry on a bit and then the violin sets in. This upbeat is the problem! The only thing I can get is a MM rest of 19 rests, followed by a half empty measure with this only upbeat (and of course the whole rest for the violin). But the publisher wants a MM rest of 20 measures, starting the upbeat IN the MM rest! Is there a way in Finale to make this? I hope I explained it clearly and I hope very much that one of you can help me! Thanks for now, Minke Hylarides ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Pitch Rotation
If you have the full set of TG Tools, then TGTOOLS - PITCHES - COMBINE RHYTHMS AND PITCHES may just do the trick for this. I find that work like this is often done more clearly when one also has an extra file open, either one with a few staves or a renamed duplicate of the main file, expressly for sketching and processing. Daniel Wolf Frankfurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
SO what DOES it do if you're on a MAC? (I am and I'm afraid!!!) I've been waiting for the Kontakt2 Player fix so I can load the complete Garritan libararies, not just the Finale bundled set. The last time I tried to use 2007 with Garritan it crashed 20 times in a row while loading the instruments, right at the last instant, where it said 99% complete!! And this happened with a 2K6 doc that worked fine the day before I installed 2K7. Running on a Mac pre Intel G5 2.0 Ghz Dual Core, 5.5 GB ram, OS 10.4.6 shirling neueweise wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. and, that's all. nice. Not if you're on a Mac -- it also adds the Kontakt2 player, if I understand the info on the site. But if you're on Windows, that really does seem to be all, and for only a 63MB download! (I know, it also includes the updates from 2007a and 2007b, so that people only have to download one single file to get the most recent version.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
I hate to say it, but this guy (Mr. Jones) has got it all over my advice. Duh; what a dunce I was. Glad I didn't put myself through all that grief. Hope the reader didn't. I think he means make the right barline of the last OLD measure invisible, not the new measure. Well, if you do not mind renumbering measures yo can simply add an extra measure after the multimeasure rest and enter the notes as pickup notes and then make the right barline invisible. ___ J. Scott Jones Band/Orchestra Director/Freelance Trumpet Player-Teacher/Music Engraver On Feb 16, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Minke Hylarides wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 16.02.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm afraid I have to agree with Hans that what your publisher is asking for is, frankly, an absolutely dreadful idea. My first instinct would be to report back: Sorry, can't be done, I guess we'll have to go with a 19-measure MM rest. What Minke is asking for is standard in most modern European editions, see for instance the parts for Neue Bach Ausgabe of any of the big Bach choral works. It is by no means a dreadful idea, it simply saves a lot of space in tight situations. Johannes And also still shows that the instrument not playing the cues has a 20 measure rest. I've seen this in published music before and it's never been a source of confusion. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it does look fine indeed, but how to produce it with Finale? Is the way Hans suggested still the only one?! Best regards, Minke ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
Actually I was thinking on both parts and score. As a conductor I like to see everything my orchestra members are reading, For the same reason I hate concert pitch scores. Hans You will excuse me for any typo's due to a visual handicap. On 16 feb 2007, at 16:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm assuming that your concern here is only with the individual part, and not the score, so here goes. Is there a way to start cue notes IN a multimeasure rest? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Composers Copyists
develop your own fonts. Here is something that I have not spent a lot of time with, as most of the time clients have certain preferences I respect. yeah it's just a suggestion; in those jobs where you have all control over the look of the work and provide only PDFs it will bring your work up to another level; if you are providing finale files to the client at the end, best to go with commonly-available fonts, unless you have a special agreement with the client. i have on occasion used times new roman (barf) and arial (ack) as well as the standard music fonts. yes, it was jef -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
add the 8th note (and possibly accidental) as a text expression aligned to the right barline, attached to the first measure in the MM rest, with a specific offset to the left of the measure. no worries about spacing for an empty uncounted measure. might not work in all cases, depending on the complexity of the cue, but i think it is much easier than the other solutions, and doesn't alter the measure structure of the piece. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
In the score, he wouldn't have the issue of a MM rest, or a cue, yes? Actually I was thinking on both parts and score. As a conductor I like to see everything my orchestra members are reading, For the same reason I hate concert pitch scores. Hans You will excuse me for any typo's due to a visual handicap. On 16 feb 2007, at 16:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm assuming that your concern here is only with the individual part, and not the score, so here goes. Is there a way to start cue notes IN a multimeasure rest? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Can one download the C version, if one has not downloaded the B version? Dean On Feb 15, 2007, at 11:52 PM, Michael Cook wrote: One hyphen bug is fixed in 2007c: hyphens at the end of a system are no longer too near to the last syllable of the system. But the disappearing hyphens still disappear, so hyphens are still in a bad way: 2007c remains unsuitable for serious publishing with lyrics. Michael On 16 Feb 2007, at 00:20, Randolph Peters wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
On 16.02.2007 Hans Swinnen wrote: Actually I was thinking on both parts and score. As a conductor I like to see everything my orchestra members are reading, For the same reason I hate concert pitch scores. I am not sure I follow: Do you actually want to see cue notes in the conductor's score? And the multi measure rests? How would that be possible? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT Daylight Savings Changes
On 16 Feb 2007 at 7:11, Phil Daley wrote: At 2/16/2007 06:01 AM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins wrote: According to MacFixit, Apple finally released a DST patch for those of us running OS 10.3.9. http://www.macfixit.com/search.php?productID=31914 Well, that's better than Microsoft. They have released a patch which our IT group says to not download because it screws up Outlook. Fortunately, at home, I do not use Outloser, so it won't be a problem ;-) I am forced to use it at work. While I'm equally scornful of Outlook, you don't need to download the patches -- you can use the time-zone editing tool, instead. Look at the instructions for Win2K (for which there is no patch). -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
Yes, I want to see which cue notes. MM not, of course! === On 16 feb 2007, at 17:39, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 16.02.2007 Hans Swinnen wrote: Actually I was thinking on both parts and score. As a conductor I like to see everything my orchestra members are reading, For the same reason I hate concert pitch scores. I am not sure I follow: Do you actually want to see cue notes in the conductor's score? And the multi measure rests? How would that be possible? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outgoing mail checked by Norton Antivirus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johannes Gebauer Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:38 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation On 16.02.2007 Guy Hayden wrote: German l.h. (linkshande) and r.h. (rechthande). If you do, please do it correctly. As a matter of fact lh and rh is English, not German, German would be l.H. and r.H., and it means linke Hand and rechte Hand. linkshande and rechtshande are no words in German. On 16 Feb 2007 at 2:42, Guy Hayden wrote: I don't know why I even bothered. What's your point here? You were wrong, in a relatively minor way, but wrong, nonetheless. Why would you not be grateful for a correction from a native German speaker? I learned German a long time ago, but I recognize that I am missing a lot of the details and am always grateful for corrections from people like Johannes because I recognize that I can't possibly have the same depth of understanding of the language that a native speaker does. What truly amazes me is the idiomatic written English of folks like Johannes -- if I didn't know that he was not a native English speaker, I don't think I could detect it from his postings on the list. That humbles me whenever I think I have something to say about the German language -- I'm not even in the same universe as Johannes when it comes to second-language proficiency. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: self-publishing securing permissions for copy-written works
The consensus seems to be that I've got a long road ahead of me! For the record, I intend to publish these works myself - I'm not looking for a publisher. I just want to secure the rights to publish myself and make sure any due royalties or fees are paid. I should probably stick with original or PD works to start out, but much of this material was done by me many years ago. Of course, I think I picked the toughest category for my initial test pieces - Christmas music (for brass quartet.) - Bob Shuster On Feb 16, 2007, at 11:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:27:00 -0800 From: Harold Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] self-publishing securing permissions for copy-writtenworks To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed I can second Mark's comment about publishers reluctant to publish an arrangement of a song they already have more than one of in their catalog. Years ago I was asked to do an arrangement of Amazing Grace for a local choir that was going to Russia on an exchange program. The Russians loved it, and everyone I talk to says it's the best arrangement they have heard - better than any of the published ones. Still, although my editor friend at my publisher really likes it, he said they couldn't publish it because there were at least three other arrangements of it in their catalog. I'm sure that's true of other publishers I've worked with. At least the tune and the words are in the public domain, and anyone interested in performing my arrangement can pay me for copies. I've had lots of performances of it this way. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Pitch Rotation
From: Matthew Hindson Does anyone know of a plugin that will rotate pitches around given note (duration) values? e.g. in an existing excerpt of music, I want to push all the pitches 2 notes to the right, while maintaining the existing rhythm. Unfortunately, Finale is a notation tool, not a composers' tool. There are many schemes and patterns we can dream up that could be automated, but to be able to automate everything is beyond current software capabilities. Maybe it always will be, since it would probably take as long to define how to do something as doing the job itself. So unless your music uses a very small set of techniques, I don't think there will ever be a solution. But I'm sure someone out there will disagree with me! Michael Lawlor mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Vern, I have a similar set up (pre-Intel Mac G5), and I have no trouble with the Garritan libraries. I am not an expert on this (though there are some on the list), so I have no advice short of contacting Garritan support. I am just responding to let you know that I don't think it is a shortcoming of your hardware, OS version or RAM. Chuck On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SO what DOES it do if you're on a MAC? (I am and I'm afraid!!!) I've been waiting for the Kontakt2 Player fix so I can load the complete Garritan libararies, not just the Finale bundled set. The last time I tried to use 2007 with Garritan it crashed 20 times in a row while loading the instruments, right at the last instant, where it said 99% complete!! And this happened with a 2K6 doc that worked fine the day before I installed 2K7. Running on a Mac pre Intel G5 2.0 Ghz Dual Core, 5.5 GB ram, OS 10.4.6 shirling neueweise wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. and, that's all. nice. Not if you're on a Mac -- it also adds the Kontakt2 player, if I understand the info on the site. But if you're on Windows, that really does seem to be all, and for only a 63MB download! (I know, it also includes the updates from 2007a and 2007b, so that people only have to download one single file to get the most recent version.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OT Daylight Savings for 9.2.2
Here's the answer for those using 9.2.2, hot off the Apple Discussion Group (the same should apply to all OS before X: Re: Changes to Daylight Saving TimePosted: Feb 16, 2007 8:29 AMin response to: Thurletta Brown... I'll need to make manual adjustments for bootingdirectly into 9.2.2 (not Classic of X), right? Yes, that's right. According to Apple: Mac OS 9.2 or earlier Still using Mac OS 9.2? Use the Date and Time control panel to deselect the option to observe Daylight Saving Time changes automatically, then enable Daylight Saving Time manually. Applications that run in the Classic environment of Mac OS X will honor the Daylight Saving Time setting in Mac OS X.On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:13:06 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:01:56 Thurletta Brown-Gavins wrote: Subject: [Finale] Re: OT Daylight Savings Changes According to MacFixit, Apple finally released a DST patch for those of us running OS 10.3.9. http://www.macfixit.com/search.php?productID=31914 Now, I just need to fix the 9.2.2 side of my dual-boot G4 manually. Thurletta Brown-Gavins ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation
On 16.02.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: What truly amazes me is the idiomatic written English of folks like Johannes -- if I didn't know that he was not a native English speaker, I don't think I could detect it from his postings on the list. That humbles me whenever I think I have something to say about the German language -- I'm not even in the same universe as Johannes when it comes to second-language proficiency. Well, thanks for the praise, in all fairness I must admit that I lived in England for several years, and starting during my teens, when learning a language was still easy. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation
My German is rather limited and my dictionary is in my car. However, experience with speaking German in Germany does remind me that, even though I did not spell the words correctly, I would have been understood. From a standpoint of the original post, the difference between the English abbreviation (l.h./r.h.) and the German is a matter of capitalization (l.H/r.H). I read messages for days about this issue without anyone mentioning the French abbreviations. Perhaps I should have avoided the German entirely. That, however, seemed less than helpful. In fact, when I was preparing the message for a moment I had written Roth Hande, then realized that is the brand name for some German cigarettes. Of course, I may have spelled that wrong, too. So why did I bother? I wanted to be helpful if I could. I did not expect to create an embarrassing international linguistic debacle. As I recall, none of the replies to the original message indicated that anyone actually played the piano, which was the source of the issue from the beginning. Thank you for pointing out my errors. My remorse at being such an ungracious conversant and miserable lout is immeasurable. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Oh, did I spell that wrong? I may have. To err is human, etc.. Perhaps a personal note offering a correction would have been more appropriate. Guy Hayden -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:53 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation What's your point here? You were wrong, in a relatively minor way, but wrong, nonetheless. Why would you not be grateful for a correction from a native German speaker? I learned German a long time ago, but I recognize that I am missing a lot of the details and am always grateful for corrections from people like Johannes because I recognize that I can't possibly have the same depth of understanding of the language that a native speaker does. What truly amazes me is the idiomatic written English of folks like Johannes -- if I didn't know that he was not a native English speaker, I don't think I could detect it from his postings on the list. That humbles me whenever I think I have something to say about the German language -- I'm not even in the same universe as Johannes when it comes to second-language proficiency. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
`One thing you could try - in the exrtacted part use speedy to enter the cue note (say, a one note up beat) into an unused layer. Still using speedy, slowly double click the cue note (if you click too quickly it will enter another note) This will make the note float. You can then move it to wherever you want it to appear, including just before the right bar-line of the mm bar. (You may wish to re-size it before moving it) I know it's clumsy, but it seems to work (from an appearance point of view) lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
The only thing Fin2007c addresses is the one hyphen bug. Otherwise, it's identical to Fin2007b on both Mac and PC. The only Garritan library to support Kontakt Player 2 is (still) GPO Finale Edition. It's been this way since Finale 2007 shipped. The only thing that's new is that in November, there was a Universall Mac update to Kontakt Player 2 so that it runs natively on Intel Macs. Garritan still have not released Kontakt Player 2 versions of Full GPO and JABB. I believe that Garritan's work is done at this point and they are simply waiting for Native Instruments to encode it. NI have a massive backlog of libraries that need re-encoding for Kontakt Player 2, but hopefully they will get to the Garritan libraries soon. I am assured that the library updates will also fix longstanding bugs in GPO (like the broken solo tpt, the bass trombone and bass clarinet ranges, etc) and JABB (balance issues with the Notation versions). But beyond that, if you don't have an Intel Mac, it probably won't make that much difference. Garritan instruments generally work fine in Finale 2007. I have no problem loading GPO and JABB instruments on a PPC Mac. If you're experiencing crashing issues, you might have a problem with that specific file -- try another one. You could also try re-creating your Garritan configuration for the problematic file. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 10:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SO what DOES it do if you're on a MAC? (I am and I'm afraid!!!) I've been waiting for the Kontakt2 Player fix so I can load the complete Garritan libararies, not just the Finale bundled set. The last time I tried to use 2007 with Garritan it crashed 20 times in a row while loading the instruments, right at the last instant, where it said 99% complete!! And this happened with a 2K6 doc that worked fine the day before I installed 2K7. Running on a Mac pre Intel G5 2.0 Ghz Dual Core, 5.5 GB ram, OS 10.4.6 shirling neueweise wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. and, that's all. nice. Not if you're on a Mac -- it also adds the Kontakt2 player, if I understand the info on the site. But if you're on Windows, that really does seem to be all, and for only a 63MB download! (I know, it also includes the updates from 2007a and 2007b, so that people only have to download one single file to get the most recent version.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Thanks Chuck, but MM tech support confirmed that the initial release of 2K7 Kontakt2 wouldn't load the Garritan FULL GPO library. I have downloaded 2K7b, but have not installed yet, so I will probably try 2K7c now that Kontakt2 is updated. By the way, I have been hearing and seeing comments about the Bill Duncan font. Can you direct me to where I could see it? Does it work well on the Mac with Finale? anddo you think that we can convince Gary Garritan to include 6 string bass samples (not just Fender Jazz bass samples) in the next set of sounds so I can mimic Anthony Jackson for my fusion/jazz writing? I know Gary has the C extension for the Contrabass samples in GPO cause I wrote for it and it works!, but not in the JABB library. Only down to the usual E. (I can't think of any jazz upright players that used a C extension, do you know of any? Aside from Ron Carter in the symphonic idiom) Vern, I have a similar set up (pre-Intel Mac G5), and I have no trouble with the Garritan libraries. I am not an expert on this (though there are some on the list), so I have no advice short of contacting Garritan support. I am just responding to let you know that I don't think it is a shortcoming of your hardware, OS version or RAM. Chuck On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SO what DOES it do if you're on a MAC? (I am and I'm afraid!!!) I've been waiting for the Kontakt2 Player fix so I can load the complete Garritan libararies, not just the Finale bundled set. The last time I tried to use 2007 with Garritan it crashed 20 times in a row while loading the instruments, right at the last instant, where it said 99% complete!! And this happened with a 2K6 doc that worked fine the day before I installed 2K7. Running on a Mac pre Intel G5 2.0 Ghz Dual Core, 5.5 GB ram, OS 10.4.6 shirling neueweise wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. and, that's all. nice. Not if you're on a Mac -- it also adds the Kontakt2 player, if I understand the info on the site. But if you're on Windows, that really does seem to be all, and for only a 63MB download! (I know, it also includes the updates from 2007a and 2007b, so that people only have to download one single file to get the most recent version.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Slashed beamed grace notes
One thing I am occasionally asked in Finale workshops is whether there's a plugin that will automatically add slashes to *beamed* grace notes. I seem to recall this feature being part of TGTools, but now I can't seem to find it... ? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet
Hello, I have a client who has written out syllables to be sung using the International Phonetic Alphabet. Is there a good, freeware font that includes these characters that will work in FinMac? (i.e., non-Unicode). Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Vern, Finale 2007 still supports the Kontakt Player 1.x as well as Kontakt Player 2.x. Since you have a non-Intel Mac, Full GPO and JABB should work exactly the same as they do in Finale 2006. You may be interested in consulting my Finale 2007 Garritan Instruments tutorial, which you can find in your User Manual folder -- the file is called GPOHP Tutorial Supplement.pdf. As far as JABB electric basses go, I definitely agree that the library ought to include a 5- or 6-string electric going down to the low B. I would also like to hear a deeper, more consistent sound, with more sustain. You should go to the Garritan Northern Sounds forum and suggest it: http://northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39 For acoustic basses, Ron Carter uses the C extension on most (if not all) of his post 1960's recordings, and Red Mitchell played a bass tuned in fifths, starting on low C -- like a cello, but an octave lower. But since Chuck doesn't play an instrument with the extension, those low notes would have to be recorded on a different bass, and wouldn't match the original samples. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 2:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Chuck, but MM tech support confirmed that the initial release of 2K7 Kontakt2 wouldn't load the Garritan FULL GPO library. I have downloaded 2K7b, but have not installed yet, so I will probably try 2K7c now that Kontakt2 is updated. By the way, I have been hearing and seeing comments about the Bill Duncan font. Can you direct me to where I could see it? Does it work well on the Mac with Finale? anddo you think that we can convince Gary Garritan to include 6 string bass samples (not just Fender Jazz bass samples) in the next set of sounds so I can mimic Anthony Jackson for my fusion/jazz writing? I know Gary has the C extension for the Contrabass samples in GPO cause I wrote for it and it works!, but not in the JABB library. Only down to the usual E. (I can't think of any jazz upright players that used a C extension, do you know of any? Aside from Ron Carter in the symphonic idiom) Vern, I have a similar set up (pre-Intel Mac G5), and I have no trouble with the Garritan libraries. I am not an expert on this (though there are some on the list), so I have no advice short of contacting Garritan support. I am just responding to let you know that I don't think it is a shortcoming of your hardware, OS version or RAM. Chuck On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SO what DOES it do if you're on a MAC? (I am and I'm afraid!!!) I've been waiting for the Kontakt2 Player fix so I can load the complete Garritan libararies, not just the Finale bundled set. The last time I tried to use 2007 with Garritan it crashed 20 times in a row while loading the instruments, right at the last instant, where it said 99% complete!! And this happened with a 2K6 doc that worked fine the day before I installed 2K7. Running on a Mac pre Intel G5 2.0 Ghz Dual Core, 5.5 GB ram, OS 10.4.6 shirling neueweise wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. and, that's all. nice. Not if you're on a Mac -- it also adds the Kontakt2 player, if I understand the info on the site. But if you're on Windows, that really does seem to be all, and for only a 63MB download! (I know, it also includes the updates from 2007a and 2007b, so that people only have to download one single file to get the most recent version.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed beamed grace notes
Darcy- If you find it again, please let me know. I end up creating a shape which I assign as an articulation (with a metatool) and attach it to the full sized note that the grace notes precede. This works very well most of the time and will move with the music if you change the layouts or respace (also, you can set the placement parameters as it is an articulation), rather than have to re-nudge it into place. One thing I am occasionally asked in Finale workshops is whether there's a plugin that will automatically add slashes to *beamed* grace notes. I seem to recall this feature being part of TGTools, but now I can't seem to find it... ? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TGTools version 2.34a
Dear Subscribers, I would like to notify you that a new version of TGTools is available. As you know, TGTools is a comprehensive collection of plug-ins for Finale. You can get it from http://www.tgtools.com . Due to the many different Finale versions that TGTools must support, and especially due to the changes in Macintosh computers over the last years, some problems have piled up which I have now finally been able to fix. I apologize for taking so long. The update is free of course. The most notable bug fixes are these: - TGTools menu now fully enabled when editing parts in Finale 2007a/b. - Align/Move now recognizes transposed parts in Finale 2007. - Smart Explosion/Distribution bug fixed that could cause it to lock up. - Lyrics-Baselines now works with Finale 2007. - Staff List Manager scrollbar now works again with Macintosh Finale versions before 2006b. - Create Slurs and other Smart Shapes related plug-ins now work again with Macintosh Finale versions before 2006. Kind Regards, Tobias Giesen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Garritan Update
I see that Gary just posted the latest Where We Are At information in the Northern Sounds forums: http://northernsounds.com/forum/showpost.php?p=475159postcount=149 Here's the Latest Updated Update of the Update on the Update of the Update: The Gofriller Cello We received the master disc from Native Instruments at NAMM and the programming was corrupted and different from what was sent. So back to NI, and yesterday I received a new master and we're in testing mode. If this master checks out, it's off to the manufacturer and then to market. I am seeing what can be done about an expedited duplication. The GPO and JABB Mac Intel/ Kontakt 2 updates The new updates in the hands of Native Instruments for encoding. Once encoding and tested they will be made availabel as a free download. There were some critical bugs in the Kontakt 2 player that had caused delays and these have been fixed. The Concert and Marching Band Library The programming has been done. Now that GPO and JABB are on their way and the Kontakt 2 player fixes have been made , was are focusing on doing some last minute checking with CMB and then off to NI for encoding (hopefully next week). General MIDI (GEM) No new report. As previously posted, some changes on the part of the NI and we had to do some changes. GEM will not be able to open up in Bandstand as we originally had hoped. We should finish this fairly soon in the Kontakt 2 player. Steinway Progressing just fine and going better than we imagined with our new sample player. Other projects Having our own player is opening up possibilities. The Choir library is moving along nicely and there are other libraries we are working on. Thanks for your patience and your support. This has taken a lot longer than we thought. Let me know if you have any questions. Gary Garritan - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=encore-ipa serif and sans serif I have a client who has written out syllables to be sung using the International Phonetic Alphabet. Is there a good, freeware font that includes these characters that will work in FinMac? (i.e., non-Unicode). suggest that your client check out and proofread according to this chart (the classic chart for IPA): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IPA_chart_2005.png most people make many errors using IPA. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed beamed grace notes
not in TGTools, for sure, i don't recall ever seeing this. would be happy to find out i was wrong... I end up creating a shape which I assign as an articulation (with a metatool) and attach it to the full sized note that the grace notes precede. this is the best solution i have found as well; except why wouldn't you assign it to the first beamed note, guaranteeing proper placement even with positioning adjustments to the grace note(s)? -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet
Hey Jef, Thanks, much obliged. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 2:42 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=encore-ipa serif and sans serif I have a client who has written out syllables to be sung using the International Phonetic Alphabet. Is there a good, freeware font that includes these characters that will work in FinMac? (i.e., non-Unicode). suggest that your client check out and proofread according to this chart (the classic chart for IPA): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IPA_chart_2005.png most people make many errors using IPA. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Darcy- Thanks, again. I used Kontakt Player 1.x in 2K7 in lieu of Kntk2. I already knew out of the box it wouldn't work, so I never tried. The documentation that ships with 2K7 states it will only load GPO/Finale Bundled instruments set. KntkPyr1.x is the one that crashed on loading in 2K7. Thanks for the tip about your tutorial-I will grab it pronto. I'm one user who is not averse to a healthy read of documentation before installing or using new versions, even thought I somewhat rushed into 2K7 without checking out ALL the feature changes first. As far as the Fender Jazz samples, if you export the tracks/staves from Finale (Save Special as sound files (wav)) into an audio application (like Apple Soundtrack, which I use for mixing) you'll be amazed to discover when you load a 10 or 31 band EQ to modify the track you just imported, ALL the frequency ranges are present in the sampled tracks, and you can get some phenominally varied sounds using the EQ (listen to the Rhodes on my tune Bossa Menna, and the Jaco bass on Pastoriale), and then do a final mix of everything a la 64 track digital studio. (Go listen to some of my Garritan mp3 creations at www.VernGraham.com, select the RADIO tab). That reminds me I've got to visit your site and see what there is to se hear. As far as your knowledge of bass players, how do you come by these details? Fantastic info! I saw Ron in a small NYC piano bar (I think it was Bradley's) about 15 or so years ago when I was living there. He was playing a duo with a guitarist (who I didn't recognize; older fellow with a schock of white hair on an F-hole electric). They were standing (Ron)/sitting (guitarist) on the floor (no stage) not 2 feet in front of my tiny table for one. I was so busy watching Ron's facial expressions and his fingers, I didn't even notice the headstock on the instrument. He was dressed immaculately in a three piece suit (I've been told he is a clothes hound), and was very gracious and polite and I even got a smile out of him when I asked him if he still played cello. I had no idea about Red Mitchell. WOW, Now that's unique. As far as the current upright sounds in JABB, I use Chuck's samples since they have such a full, balanced, clean singing sound (the high end speaks nicely too when you tweak the EQ) versus the other instrument, which has more of the traditional THUMP sound. (I've played with the various adjustable parameters in the player to spec them both out.) Now I'm off to visit northern sounds forum. Thanks again Darcy. V. Vern, Finale 2007 still supports the Kontakt Player 1.x as well as Kontakt Player 2.x. Since you have a non-Intel Mac, Full GPO and JABB should work exactly the same as they do in Finale 2006. You may be interested in consulting my Finale 2007 Garritan Instruments tutorial, which you can find in your User Manual folder -- the file is called GPOHP Tutorial Supplement.pdf. As far as JABB electric basses go, I definitely agree that the library ought to include a 5- or 6-string electric going down to the low B. I would also like to hear a deeper, more consistent sound, with more sustain. You should go to the Garritan Northern Sounds forum and suggest it: http://northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39 For acoustic basses, Ron Carter uses the C extension on most (if not all) of his post 1960's recordings, and Red Mitchell played a bass tuned in fifths, starting on low C -- like a cello, but an octave lower. But since Chuck doesn't play an instrument with the extension, those low notes would have to be recorded on a different bass, and wouldn't match the original samples. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 2:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Chuck, but MM tech support confirmed that the initial release of 2K7 Kontakt2 wouldn't load the Garritan FULL GPO library. I have downloaded 2K7b, but have not installed yet, so I will probably try 2K7c now that Kontakt2 is updated. By the way, I have been hearing and seeing comments about the Bill Duncan font. Can you direct me to where I could see it? Does it work well on the Mac with Finale? anddo you think that we can convince Gary Garritan to include 6 string bass samples (not just Fender Jazz bass samples) in the next set of sounds so I can mimic Anthony Jackson for my fusion/jazz writing? I know Gary has the C extension for the Contrabass samples in GPO cause I wrote for it and it works!, but not in the JABB library. Only down to the usual E. (I can't think of any jazz upright players that used a C extension, do you know of any? Aside from Ron Carter in the symphonic idiom) Vern, I have a similar set up (pre-Intel Mac G5), and I have no trouble with the Garritan libraries. I am not an expert on this (though there are some on the list), so I have no advice short of contacting Garritan support. I am just responding to let you know that I don't think it is a
Re: [Finale] Re: OT Daylight Savings Changes
At 11:54 AM 2/16/2007, David W. Fenton wrote: While I'm equally scornful of Outlook, you don't need to download the patches -- you can use the time-zone editing tool, instead. Look at the instructions for Win2K (for which there is no patch). Oy, I don't want to start 85 more rounds on DST. But just for the sake of clarity, I believe that the problems with Outlook will occur whether you apply the DST patch or make the changes by hand. As I understand it, the issue is that Outlook stores an offset from GMT or something like that with appointments. Once you change the definition of when DST starts and ends, any appointments in the affected weeks (those which didn't used to be DST but now will be) wilil appear in Outlook to be off by an hour. This is particularly noticeable for all-day appointments, which suddenly appear to go from 1AM on one day to 1AM on the next day (or from 11pm to 11pm). So if you use Outlook, I suggest that you go through and at least read the info on the page I linked to. After I made the DST change (admittedly, using the patch rather than the tool), I found that I had very few appointments in the affected range, and so I just went through and changed their times by hand. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed beamed grace notes
It will work, but the reduction of the grace note sizing affects the sizing of the slash as well once it is attached. Usually, I don't have to go back and change it as I place the slashes after the music has been spaced, and any slight change due to moving systems around is not usually noticable. It's the sequence of the way I work. All notes (only) 1st, then respace. note/staff expressions next, artics respace next. slurs last. All in scroll view. Then do page layouts and final tweaks as needed in page view. usually that's how it goes. not in TGTools, for sure, i don't recall ever seeing this. would be happy to find out i was wrong... I end up creating a shape which I assign as an articulation (with a metatool) and attach it to the full sized note that the grace notes precede. this is the best solution i have found as well; except why wouldn't you assign it to the first beamed note, guaranteeing proper placement even with positioning adjustments to the grace note(s)? -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Ah, gracias ... Dean On Feb 16, 2007, at 9:03 AM, Michael Cook wrote: The C version contains all the bug fixes of the A and B versions: it will update any version of 2007 to 2007c. On 16 Feb 2007, at 17:12, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Can one download the C version, if one has not downloaded the B version? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home Power embraces greed and abjurs justice ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] timpani notation question
With an extended trill (with the long jagged line), does this traditionally go above the note or below? I know that with just the trill symbol (no extension), it appears above the note. I am working on a modern performing edition of an early/mid 19th choral work with orchestra, and in the autograph score I am working from, the composer put the trill and extension line underneath the staff. Any percussionists out there? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Hey Vern, If you have any suggestions as to how better EQ could improve the out- of-the box sound of the electric bass (or any instrument) in JABB, perhaps you wouldn't mind corresponding directly with GPO programmer Tom Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The JABB sounds were designed to be EQ-able, but -- as I've tried to impress upon Tom many times -- most Finale users aren't going to be exporting these tracks into a separate app. (You are the exception, not the rule.) It's good that the JABB sounds are so flexible and customizable, but the Notation instruments, at least, need to sound good out of the box. Originally, there wasn't going to be any EQ on the electric guitar at all, on the thinking that users would just apply their own EQ/ effects. I managed to persuade Tom that this would not be acceptable to Finale users, and thankfully he agreed to include the Electric Guitar Mellow instrument (based roughly on Jim Hall's sound). Unfortunately, this was not done for the electric basses and they suffer for it, IMO. If there was some way to get the JABB electric bass samples to sound more like, say, Kermit Driscoll (from within Finale), that would make me extremely happy. Red Mitchell talks extensively about making the switch to a bass tuned in fifths in an interview in Art Taylor's _Notes and Tones_. I love Red's playing -- he is very underrated, IMO. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 3:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darcy- Thanks, again. I used Kontakt Player 1.x in 2K7 in lieu of Kntk2. I already knew out of the box it wouldn't work, so I never tried. The documentation that ships with 2K7 states it will only load GPO/Finale Bundled instruments set. KntkPyr1.x is the one that crashed on loading in 2K7. Thanks for the tip about your tutorial-I will grab it pronto. I'm one user who is not averse to a healthy read of documentation before installing or using new versions, even thought I somewhat rushed into 2K7 without checking out ALL the feature changes first. As far as the Fender Jazz samples, if you export the tracks/staves from Finale (Save Special as sound files (wav)) into an audio application (like Apple Soundtrack, which I use for mixing) you'll be amazed to discover when you load a 10 or 31 band EQ to modify the track you just imported, ALL the frequency ranges are present in the sampled tracks, and you can get some phenominally varied sounds using the EQ (listen to the Rhodes on my tune Bossa Menna, and the Jaco bass on Pastoriale), and then do a final mix of everything a la 64 track digital studio. (Go listen to some of my Garritan mp3 creations at www.VernGraham.com, select the RADIO tab). That reminds me I've got to visit your site and see what there is to se hear. As far as your knowledge of bass players, how do you come by these details? Fantastic info! I saw Ron in a small NYC piano bar (I think it was Bradley's) about 15 or so years ago when I was living there. He was playing a duo with a guitarist (who I didn't recognize; older fellow with a schock of white hair on an F-hole electric). They were standing (Ron)/sitting (guitarist) on the floor (no stage) not 2 feet in front of my tiny table for one. I was so busy watching Ron's facial expressions and his fingers, I didn't even notice the headstock on the instrument. He was dressed immaculately in a three piece suit (I've been told he is a clothes hound), and was very gracious and polite and I even got a smile out of him when I asked him if he still played cello. I had no idea about Red Mitchell. WOW, Now that's unique. As far as the current upright sounds in JABB, I use Chuck's samples since they have such a full, balanced, clean singing sound (the high end speaks nicely too when you tweak the EQ) versus the other instrument, which has more of the traditional THUMP sound. (I've played with the various adjustable parameters in the player to spec them both out.) Now I'm off to visit northern sounds forum. Thanks again Darcy. V. Vern, Finale 2007 still supports the Kontakt Player 1.x as well as Kontakt Player 2.x. Since you have a non-Intel Mac, Full GPO and JABB should work exactly the same as they do in Finale 2006. You may be interested in consulting my Finale 2007 Garritan Instruments tutorial, which you can find in your User Manual folder -- the file is called GPOHP Tutorial Supplement.pdf. As far as JABB electric basses go, I definitely agree that the library ought to include a 5- or 6-string electric going down to the low B. I would also like to hear a deeper, more consistent sound, with more sustain. You should go to the Garritan Northern Sounds forum and suggest it: http://northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39 For acoustic basses, Ron Carter uses the C extension on most (if not all) of his post 1960's recordings, and Red Mitchell played a bass tuned in fifths, starting on low C --
Re: [Finale] Slashed beamed grace notes
It will work, but the reduction of the grace note sizing affects the sizing of the slash as well once it is attached. Usually, I don't have to go back and change it as I place the slashes after the music has been spaced, and any slight change due to moving systems around is not usually noticable. i still don't se any point in attaching the slash to a note it doesn't relate to. i know it is smaller / thinner when attached to grace notes... so i make the thing bigger right from the start; it is ONLY used for grace notes anyways. whatever the sequence you do things, if you do for some reason change the spacing at a later date (who knows what future revisions might pop up?) and the slash is attached to the right note from the start (i.e. the grace note) you will never have to worry about the slash being wrongly placed. either do it in a way that possibly to likely guarantees no future problems, or do it in a way which is sure to avoid problems, fussing and having to reprint because you will have forgotten this small detail by then. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Pitch Rotation
Michael Lawlor wrote: From: Matthew Hindson Does anyone know of a plugin that will rotate pitches around given note (duration) values? e.g. in an existing excerpt of music, I want to push all the pitches 2 notes to the right, while maintaining the existing rhythm. Unfortunately, Finale is a notation tool, not a composers' tool. There are many schemes and patterns we can dream up that could be automated, but to be able to automate everything is beyond current software capabilities. Maybe it always will be, since it would probably take as long to define how to do something as doing the job itself. So unless your music uses a very small set of techniques, I don't think there will ever be a solution. But I'm sure someone out there will disagree with me! Yes, and it will be me :) There are quite a few plugins existing already that extend what Finale can do, including compositional ones (e.g. the OpenMusic plugins). Philip Aker and I started working on a whole batch of other ones but I didn't get the funding and then lost touch with Philip so they never eventuated. I like the idea that computers can do such 'grunt work' for us - that's what they do in many areas, and so if they can help with composition, all the better. However you're correct that it would take longer to programme the plugin for this than it would to actually do the work. Maybe I'll investigating the Manuscript language in Sibelius since it seems less opaque and quicker that learning C++ for Finale plugins. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Darcy- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw in the pre-release hype from MakeMusic that the MIXER was to include EQ in the 2K7 upgrade! I even pre-ordered to get the new version ASAP as I was already on a roll in 2K6 with the Garritan stuff and loving it. That would enable you to do a rough/final or sectional submix right in Finale before saving as an audio file. Anyway, that didn't happen and was one of the first dissapointments with the new release. But, once you apply EQ to these samples, they come to life! Same is true of GPO. I hope Garritan will also add some more libraries, like the Folk/Rock/Country instruments library; imagine having fiddle, banjo, flat top acoustic guitar, wash-tub bass (??), Precision bass, deep snare (or just Steve Smith/Ginger Baker deep rock kit!), pedal steel guitar, dobro, concertina, accordion, jew's harp, mandolin, 12-string guitar (acoustic electric), Telecaster/Stratocaster guitars, AND we need a Brush Drum Kit that allows you to switch one hand to stick in combo with 1 hand on brush to use a common style that is prevalent in country, jazz, and particularly Brasilian music. Or better yet, 1 (user customizable) drum kit that allows you to program the percussion library to load the staff with all available drum kit sounds. (you can do this with orchestral percussion in GPO!) It's a real pain in the ass to use 2 staves to create 1 (audio) part that will realize the sounds from 2 different kits (ie: brushes sticks during the course of the same piece of music; think of many jazz tunes you hear where that happens, where it starts on brushes and builds to a killer ensemble section with sticks.) Yeah, baby! (to paraphrase Austin Powers/Buddy Rich) Damn-it would be a coup de grace for MakeMusic to give Garage Band a serious run for it's money in a state of the art notation package! And what a boon to us as composers/arrangers! Woo Hoo!!! And as far as upgrades are concerned, go check out David Pogue's talk at www.ted.com (June 26, 2006 http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/ ) where he praises one software company that did not offer 1 enhancement or new feature in their newest upgrade: all they did was got rid of ALL the bugs and make it run like a Swiss timepiece! WHAT A CONCEPT!! David was the person who gave me a demo of Coda's new Finale many years ago in NYC. He knew that software inside out and probably launched the first major run of purchases out of NYC that pulled them out of relative obscurity; this would have been sometime in 1983) He convinced me! I hope they gave him shares; he was a fantastic promoter of this software and really knew how to show it off. Sorry to go on a rant. Thanks Darcy. I'm cc: ing Tom Hopkins and Gary Garritan with this email; and, what does IMO mean? Even tho I'm an old fart in the real world, I'm still a newbie in cyberspace. Hey Vern, If you have any suggestions as to how better EQ could improve the out- of-the box sound of the electric bass (or any instrument) in JABB, perhaps you wouldn't mind corresponding directly with GPO programmer Tom Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The JABB sounds were designed to be EQ-able, but -- as I've tried to impress upon Tom many times -- most Finale users aren't going to be exporting these tracks into a separate app. (You are the exception, not the rule.) It's good that the JABB sounds are so flexible and customizable, but the Notation instruments, at least, need to sound good out of the box. Originally, there wasn't going to be any EQ on the electric guitar at all, on the thinking that users would just apply their own EQ/ effects. I managed to persuade Tom that this would not be acceptable to Finale users, and thankfully he agreed to include the Electric Guitar Mellow instrument (based roughly on Jim Hall's sound). Unfortunately, this was not done for the electric basses and they suffer for it, IMO. If there was some way to get the JABB electric bass samples to sound more like, say, Kermit Driscoll (from within Finale), that would make me extremely happy. Red Mitchell talks extensively about making the switch to a bass tuned in fifths in an interview in Art Taylor's _Notes and Tones_. I love Red's playing -- he is very underrated, IMO. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 3:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darcy- Thanks, again. I used Kontakt Player 1.x in 2K7 in lieu of Kntk2. I already knew out of the box it wouldn't work, so I never tried. The documentation that ships with 2K7 states it will only load GPO/Finale Bundled instruments set. KntkPyr1.x is the one that crashed on loading in 2K7. Thanks for the tip about your tutorial-I will grab it pronto. I'm one user who is not averse to a healthy read of documentation before installing or using new versions, even thought I somewhat rushed into 2K7 without checking out ALL the feature changes first. As far as the Fender Jazz samples, if you export the tracks/staves from Finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Hi Vern, As you discovered, the Finale mixer is a global setting -- it does not allow you to EQ each staff individually. That's why the Notation instruments need to sound good out of the box, with no additional EQ. I don't think it would be too hard for Garritan to create a keyswitched drum kit, and that's a good idea. But meanwhile, it's easy to switch from brushes to sticks on the same staff by using a channel change expression (same technique as ww doubles). For stick- in-one-hand, brush-in-the-other, you'll obviously have to use two staves. Or, you could upgrade to the full version of Kontakt and custom-build your own drum kit based on the Garritan samples. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 4:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darcy- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw in the pre-release hype from MakeMusic that the MIXER was to include EQ in the 2K7 upgrade! I even pre-ordered to get the new version ASAP as I was already on a roll in 2K6 with the Garritan stuff and loving it. That would enable you to do a rough/final or sectional submix right in Finale before saving as an audio file. Anyway, that didn't happen and was one of the first dissapointments with the new release. But, once you apply EQ to these samples, they come to life! Same is true of GPO. I hope Garritan will also add some more libraries, like the Folk/Rock/Country instruments library; imagine having fiddle, banjo, flat top acoustic guitar, wash-tub bass (??), Precision bass, deep snare (or just Steve Smith/Ginger Baker deep rock kit!), pedal steel guitar, dobro, concertina, accordion, jew's harp, mandolin, 12-string guitar (acoustic electric), Telecaster/Stratocaster guitars, AND we need a Brush Drum Kit that allows you to switch one hand to stick in combo with 1 hand on brush to use a common style that is prevalent in country, jazz, and particularly Brasilian music. Or better yet, 1 (user customizable) drum kit that allows you to program the percussion library to load the staff with all available drum kit sounds. (you can do this with orchestral percussion in GPO!) It's a real pain in the ass to use 2 staves to create 1 (audio) part that will realize the sounds from 2 different kits (ie: brushes sticks during the course of the same piece of music; think of many jazz tunes you hear where that happens, where it starts on brushes and builds to a killer ensemble section with sticks.) Yeah, baby! (to paraphrase Austin Powers/Buddy Rich) Damn-it would be a coup de grace for MakeMusic to give Garage Band a serious run for it's money in a state of the art notation package! And what a boon to us as composers/arrangers! Woo Hoo!!! And as far as upgrades are concerned, go check out David Pogue's talk at www.ted.com (June 26, 2006 http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/ ) where he praises one software company that did not offer 1 enhancement or new feature in their newest upgrade: all they did was got rid of ALL the bugs and make it run like a Swiss timepiece! WHAT A CONCEPT!! David was the person who gave me a demo of Coda's new Finale many years ago in NYC. He knew that software inside out and probably launched the first major run of purchases out of NYC that pulled them out of relative obscurity; this would have been sometime in 1983) He convinced me! I hope they gave him shares; he was a fantastic promoter of this software and really knew how to show it off. Sorry to go on a rant. Thanks Darcy. I'm cc: ing Tom Hopkins and Gary Garritan with this email; and, what does IMO mean? Even tho I'm an old fart in the real world, I'm still a newbie in cyberspace. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed beamed grace notes
I have done it both ways and haven't noticed any problems with either yet. The most logical trouble free way is as you said, create it slightly larger so when it reduces, it will look normal. But it's somewhat specious to argue placement as the grace notes already have spacing parameters regarding their object notes, and unless you change a lot of music spacing parameters that affect both the entries and the grace notes, the amount of detectable movement of the slash is extremely small. I've done this for several years and have resized repaginated systems both in the parts and in the score and have not had to tweak them very often. They seem to pretty much stay put. As long as I add them after I have already spaced the music, which is, as I said, my pattern of work. What I have had to adjust often is (when I create the parts) the grace notes, which sometimes have to be manually dragged to a correct position (even though I always have scale manual positioning of notes turned ON, and clear manual positioning turned OFF as my program/documents/spacing defaults). When I have to do that, the slash attached to the object note is useful as a guide. Unless I've dreamed it, I thought there was also a selection now to slash beamed grace notes somewhere in 2K7. In the Beaming menu maybe? Anyone know the answer? It will work, but the reduction of the grace note sizing affects the sizing of the slash as well once it is attached. Usually, I don't have to go back and change it as I place the slashes after the music has been spaced, and any slight change due to moving systems around is not usually noticable. i still don't se any point in attaching the slash to a note it doesn't relate to. i know it is smaller / thinner when attached to grace notes... so i make the thing bigger right from the start; it is ONLY used for grace notes anyways. whatever the sequence you do things, if you do for some reason change the spacing at a later date (who knows what future revisions might pop up?) and the slash is attached to the right note from the start (i.e. the grace note) you will never have to worry about the slash being wrongly placed. either do it in a way that possibly to likely guarantees no future problems, or do it in a way which is sure to avoid problems, fussing and having to reprint because you will have forgotten this small detail by then. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
But the individual channel EQ is what I thought they were promising in 2K7. It would be way cool if they actually provide a console board with the busses and EQ and effect loops. Imagine! Anyway, I'm trying hard to not spend as much time becoming an engineer and I am trying to write music, and even though this software combo is a huge aid in composition and arranging, the idea of getting the high end Kontakt software to be able to learn more programming to learn to do more sonic engineering is a digression I'm trying to avoid. I'll let the programmers who have those fantastic skills come up with the design and implemetaion for the software, and I'll use their solutions to our wish lists to design music, which is, after all is said and done, what I'm trying to do more of. Hi Vern, As you discovered, the Finale mixer is a global setting -- it does not allow you to EQ each staff individually. That's why the Notation instruments need to sound good out of the box, with no additional EQ. I don't think it would be too hard for Garritan to create a keyswitched drum kit, and that's a good idea. But meanwhile, it's easy to switch from brushes to sticks on the same staff by using a channel change expression (same technique as ww doubles). For stick- in-one-hand, brush-in-the-other, you'll obviously have to use two staves. Or, you could upgrade to the full version of Kontakt and custom-build your own drum kit based on the Garritan samples. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 4:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darcy- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw in the pre-release hype from MakeMusic that the MIXER was to include EQ in the 2K7 upgrade! I even pre-ordered to get the new version ASAP as I was already on a roll in 2K6 with the Garritan stuff and loving it. That would enable you to do a rough/final or sectional submix right in Finale before saving as an audio file. Anyway, that didn't happen and was one of the first dissapointments with the new release. But, once you apply EQ to these samples, they come to life! Same is true of GPO. I hope Garritan will also add some more libraries, like the Folk/Rock/Country instruments library; imagine having fiddle, banjo, flat top acoustic guitar, wash-tub bass (??), Precision bass, deep snare (or just Steve Smith/Ginger Baker deep rock kit!), pedal steel guitar, dobro, concertina, accordion, jew's harp, mandolin, 12-string guitar (acoustic electric), Telecaster/Stratocaster guitars, AND we need a Brush Drum Kit that allows you to switch one hand to stick in combo with 1 hand on brush to use a common style that is prevalent in country, jazz, and particularly Brasilian music. Or better yet, 1 (user customizable) drum kit that allows you to program the percussion library to load the staff with all available drum kit sounds. (you can do this with orchestral percussion in GPO!) It's a real pain in the ass to use 2 staves to create 1 (audio) part that will realize the sounds from 2 different kits (ie: brushes sticks during the course of the same piece of music; think of many jazz tunes you hear where that happens, where it starts on brushes and builds to a killer ensemble section with sticks.) Yeah, baby! (to paraphrase Austin Powers/Buddy Rich) Damn-it would be a coup de grace for MakeMusic to give Garage Band a serious run for it's money in a state of the art notation package! And what a boon to us as composers/arrangers! Woo Hoo!!! And as far as upgrades are concerned, go check out David Pogue's talk at www.ted.com (June 26, 2006 http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/ ) where he praises one software company that did not offer 1 enhancement or new feature in their newest upgrade: all they did was got rid of ALL the bugs and make it run like a Swiss timepiece! WHAT A CONCEPT!! David was the person who gave me a demo of Coda's new Finale many years ago in NYC. He knew that software inside out and probably launched the first major run of purchases out of NYC that pulled them out of relative obscurity; this would have been sometime in 1983) He convinced me! I hope they gave him shares; he was a fantastic promoter of this software and really knew how to show it off. Sorry to go on a rant. Thanks Darcy. I'm cc: ing Tom Hopkins and Gary Garritan with this email; and, what does IMO mean? Even tho I'm an old fart in the real world, I'm still a newbie in cyberspace. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] timpani notation question
At 2:37 PM -0500 2/16/07, Martin Banner wrote: With an extended trill (with the long jagged line), does this traditionally go above the note or below? I know that with just the trill symbol (no extension), it appears above the note. I am working on a modern performing edition of an early/mid 19th choral work with orchestra, and in the autograph score I am working from, the composer put the trill and extension line underneath the staff. Any percussionists out there? Only half a percussionist, I'm afraid, but I've written for many of them. I would never put either the trill or the extension (and remember that the wavy line IS an extension of the tr sign) below the staff. It may have been a matter of a crowded score. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
On Feb 16, 2007, at 11:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Chuck, but MM tech support confirmed that the initial release of 2K7 Kontakt2 wouldn't load the Garritan FULL GPO library. I have downloaded 2K7b, but have not installed yet, so I will probably try 2K7c now that Kontakt2 is updated. By the way, I have been hearing and seeing comments about the Bill Duncan font. Can you direct me to where I could see it? Does it work well on the Mac with Finale? Hi Vern, I wouldn't be without certain things in the Bill Duncan Collection; the chord font, the custom slashes and rhythmic notation, for instance. They are far more elegant than what I have seen done in Finale without them, and they work well. Beyond that, there are other useful things, depending on the kind of work you are doing. There is a nice Drop Shadow font for important expressions - maybe that can be done in Finale, but I don't know, and good brackets, special harp notation things, drum notation note heads that sit at the correct vertical place in the staff, - quite a few things I use all the time, including a few custom articulations Bill made for a few of us who use jazz articulations in Maestro font. However, I don't know where these things are, now that Bill has died. His sister may have control of the material, and Nick Carter and Vince Leonard were both in communication with her about continuing to make the package available, but I don't know how those negotiations are going. anddo you think that we can convince Gary Garritan to include 6 string bass samples (not just Fender Jazz bass samples) in the next set of sounds so I can mimic Anthony Jackson for my fusion/jazz writing? I know Gary has the C extension for the Contrabass samples in GPO cause I wrote for it and it works!, but not in the JABB library. Only down to the usual E. (I can't think of any jazz upright players that used a C extension, do you know of any? Aside from Ron Carter in the symphonic idiom) All I know about this is that you can write Gary and ask him. He will respond, as will almost all similar companies (MM included) to the squeeky wheel of most requests. Few jazz bassists use a C extension. I know Ron has one on one of his basses, and Red Mitchell (and a few others) tune(d) in 5ths - Low C, high A, an octave below the cello, but most of us hew to the tradition tuning. Chuck Vern, I have a similar set up (pre-Intel Mac G5), and I have no trouble with the Garritan libraries. I am not an expert on this (though there are some on the list), so I have no advice short of contacting Garritan support. I am just responding to let you know that I don't think it is a shortcoming of your hardware, OS version or RAM. Chuck On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SO what DOES it do if you're on a MAC? (I am and I'm afraid!!!) I've been waiting for the Kontakt2 Player fix so I can load the complete Garritan libararies, not just the Finale bundled set. The last time I tried to use 2007 with Garritan it crashed 20 times in a row while loading the instruments, right at the last instant, where it said 99% complete!! And this happened with a 2K6 doc that worked fine the day before I installed 2K7. Running on a Mac pre Intel G5 2.0 Ghz Dual Core, 5.5 GB ram, OS 10.4.6 shirling neueweise wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. and, that's all. nice. Not if you're on a Mac -- it also adds the Kontakt2 player, if I understand the info on the site. But if you're on Windows, that really does seem to be all, and for only a 63MB download! (I know, it also includes the updates from 2007a and 2007b, so that people only have to download one single file to get the most recent version.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
On Feb 16, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Vern, Finale 2007 still supports the Kontakt Player 1.x as well as Kontakt Player 2.x. Since you have a non-Intel Mac, Full GPO and JABB should work exactly the same as they do in Finale 2006. You may be interested in consulting my Finale 2007 Garritan Instruments tutorial, which you can find in your User Manual folder -- the file is called GPOHP Tutorial Supplement.pdf. As far as JABB electric basses go, I definitely agree that the library ought to include a 5- or 6-string electric going down to the low B. I would also like to hear a deeper, more consistent sound, with more sustain. You should go to the Garritan Northern Sounds forum and suggest it: http://northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39 For acoustic basses, Ron Carter uses the C extension on most (if not all) of his post 1960's recordings, and Red Mitchell played a bass tuned in fifths, starting on low C -- like a cello, but an octave lower. But since Chuck doesn't play an instrument with the extension, those low notes would have to be recorded on a different bass, and wouldn't match the original samples. I have a newly acquired bass that I have offered to let Gary record (no response on that so far - I think he's swamped with more important things). It is deeper sounding than the one included in JABB (bass sample 2) and had a low C extension on it when it was used in the Seattle Symphony some years ago. You can see the repairs where the holes for the extension are filled in on the side of the neck. My assumption is that there is enough depth in this instrument's sound to support the lower notes and, if Gary ever takes me up on my offer, I could easily put on a low B string in place of the low E, just to record the extra low range. Scordatura will be unlikely to have the same good sound, as the string would begin to sound flabby as you de-tuned it. You might get away with a whole step - but by the time you got down to C, it would problaby not sound very good without either the extra length an extension would provide, or the extra wight of a thicker string. If you want this - go ahead and bug Gary, and remind him of my offer to spend a few hours making the samples. Chuck Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 2:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Chuck, but MM tech support confirmed that the initial release of 2K7 Kontakt2 wouldn't load the Garritan FULL GPO library. I have downloaded 2K7b, but have not installed yet, so I will probably try 2K7c now that Kontakt2 is updated. By the way, I have been hearing and seeing comments about the Bill Duncan font. Can you direct me to where I could see it? Does it work well on the Mac with Finale? anddo you think that we can convince Gary Garritan to include 6 string bass samples (not just Fender Jazz bass samples) in the next set of sounds so I can mimic Anthony Jackson for my fusion/jazz writing? I know Gary has the C extension for the Contrabass samples in GPO cause I wrote for it and it works!, but not in the JABB library. Only down to the usual E. (I can't think of any jazz upright players that used a C extension, do you know of any? Aside from Ron Carter in the symphonic idiom) Vern, I have a similar set up (pre-Intel Mac G5), and I have no trouble with the Garritan libraries. I am not an expert on this (though there are some on the list), so I have no advice short of contacting Garritan support. I am just responding to let you know that I don't think it is a shortcoming of your hardware, OS version or RAM. Chuck On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SO what DOES it do if you're on a MAC? (I am and I'm afraid!!!) I've been waiting for the Kontakt2 Player fix so I can load the complete Garritan libararies, not just the Finale bundled set. The last time I tried to use 2007 with Garritan it crashed 20 times in a row while loading the instruments, right at the last instant, where it said 99% complete!! And this happened with a 2K6 doc that worked fine the day before I installed 2K7. Running on a Mac pre Intel G5 2.0 Ghz Dual Core, 5.5 GB ram, OS 10.4.6 shirling neueweise wrote: Finale 2007c is available Hyphens are fixed apparently. and, that's all. nice. Not if you're on a Mac -- it also adds the Kontakt2 player, if I understand the info on the site. But if you're on Windows, that really does seem to be all, and for only a 63MB download! (I know, it also includes the updates from 2007a and 2007b, so that people only have to download one single file to get the most recent version.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Red Mitchell talks extensively about making the switch to a bass tuned in fifths in an interview in Art Taylor's _Notes and Tones_. I love Red's playing -- he is very underrated, IMO. Maybe so - but certainly not by me! Solos of Mozartean perfection, the most highly developed melodic sense of any bassist I've heard, and superb playing of the instrument. My goal - to play solos as good as Red and Oscar Pettiford. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: TGTools version 2.34a
Tobias Giesen wrote: Dear Subscribers, I would like to notify you that a new version of TGTools is available. As you know, TGTools is a comprehensive collection of plug-ins for Finale. You can get it from http://www.tgtools.com . Due to the many different Finale versions that TGTools must support, and especially due to the changes in Macintosh computers over the last years, some problems have piled up which I have now finally been able to fix. I apologize for taking so long. The update is free of course. Thanks so much again Tobias for your plugins. Between you and Robert P., you have made such a tremendous contribution to Finale and our productivity over all of these years. I will have to go to Sibelius very soon (publisher reasons) but the ease of use combined with sheer power of your plugins are forcing me to thoroughly investigate how I can stick with Finale. They're that good! Cheers Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet
Try http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=IPAhome I have used this font several times. BF Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, I have a client who has written out syllables to be sung using the International Phonetic Alphabet. Is there a good, freeware font that includes these characters that will work in FinMac? (i.e., non-Unicode). Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Hi Chuck, I hadn't thought of replacing the low E string with a low B string. If you're willing to do that for Gary, that would actually be very cool. I'll be sure to mention it to him at some point. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 8:00 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have a newly acquired bass that I have offered to let Gary record (no response on that so far - I think he's swamped with more important things). It is deeper sounding than the one included in JABB (bass sample 2) and had a low C extension on it when it was used in the Seattle Symphony some years ago. You can see the repairs where the holes for the extension are filled in on the side of the neck. My assumption is that there is enough depth in this instrument's sound to support the lower notes and, if Gary ever takes me up on my offer, I could easily put on a low B string in place of the low E, just to record the extra low range. Scordatura will be unlikely to have the same good sound, as the string would begin to sound flabby as you de-tuned it. You might get away with a whole step - but by the time you got down to C, it would problaby not sound very good without either the extra length an extension would provide, or the extra wight of a thicker string. If you want this - go ahead and bug Gary, and remind him of my offer to spend a few hours making the samples. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: self-publishing securing permissions for copy-written works
At 11:59 AM -0500 2/16/07, Bob Shuster wrote: The consensus seems to be that I've got a long road ahead of me! For the record, I intend to publish these works myself - I'm not looking for a publisher. I just want to secure the rights to publish myself and make sure any due royalties or fees are paid. I should probably stick with original or PD works to start out, but much of this material was done by me many years ago. Of course, I think I picked the toughest category for my initial test pieces - Christmas music (for brass quartet.) Bob: There are a lot of us arrangers kicking around, and we have to accept as a fact of life: the copyright owner has complete control over the derivative use of that work. Period. End of discussion. Well, no; that particular discussion will never HAVE an end. It is ILLEGAL to arrange a copyrighted work. If you do it anyway, your work BELONGS to the copyright owner, lock stock and barrel. You have to ask permission (something we're supposed to have learned in kindergarten, remember?) (a) to arrange a copyrighted work (which you may or may not get); (b) to copyright that arrangement in your own name (which I really wouldn't count on!); (c) to publish that derivative work (which you are much less likely to get); or to (d) collect royalties on a derivative work (which no copyright owner in his right mind is going to give away for nothing). YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS in someone else's copyrighted work, OK? Now you can always ask permission, and sometimes you may get it and other times you will not, or you will get it but with the payment of a fee that's rather more than you can handle. And if you DO get permission, you can do whatever you have been given permission to do, but nothing more. So ask! Harold Owen wrote: I can second Mark's comment about publishers reluctant to publish an arrangement of a song they already have more than one of in their catalog. Heck, they can AND WILL refuse permission to arrange a song whether or not they have an arrangement in their catalog. The way lawyers think, they might want to add one some day, and for some unexplained reason they might not be willing to admit that YOUR arrangement is better than anything their subcontractors can do, even if it is! John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available
Sure, Darcy - It wouldn't be such a big deal - 10 minutes to change the strings, and a few more to record 6 more notes. I thought it was a good idea myself! Chuck On Feb 16, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, I hadn't thought of replacing the low E string with a low B string. If you're willing to do that for Gary, that would actually be very cool. I'll be sure to mention it to him at some point. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Feb 2007, at 8:00 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have a newly acquired bass that I have offered to let Gary record (no response on that so far - I think he's swamped with more important things). It is deeper sounding than the one included in JABB (bass sample 2) and had a low C extension on it when it was used in the Seattle Symphony some years ago. You can see the repairs where the holes for the extension are filled in on the side of the neck. My assumption is that there is enough depth in this instrument's sound to support the lower notes and, if Gary ever takes me up on my offer, I could easily put on a low B string in place of the low E, just to record the extra low range. Scordatura will be unlikely to have the same good sound, as the string would begin to sound flabby as you de-tuned it. You might get away with a whole step - but by the time you got down to C, it would problaby not sound very good without either the extra length an extension would provide, or the extra wight of a thicker string. If you want this - go ahead and bug Gary, and remind him of my offer to spend a few hours making the samples. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation
Roth Hande? Caught red-handed? Is that one of Satie's funky performance directions? Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk - Original Message - From: Guy Hayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:51 AM Subject: RE: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation My German is rather limited and my dictionary is in my car. However, experience with speaking German in Germany does remind me that, even though I did not spell the words correctly, I would have been understood. From a standpoint of the original post, the difference between the English abbreviation (l.h./r.h.) and the German is a matter of capitalization (l.H/r.H). I read messages for days about this issue without anyone mentioning the French abbreviations. Perhaps I should have avoided the German entirely. That, however, seemed less than helpful. In fact, when I was preparing the message for a moment I had written Roth Hande, then realized that is the brand name for some German cigarettes. Of course, I may have spelled that wrong, too. So why did I bother? I wanted to be helpful if I could. I did not expect to create an embarrassing international linguistic debacle. As I recall, none of the replies to the original message indicated that anyone actually played the piano, which was the source of the issue from the beginning. Thank you for pointing out my errors. My remorse at being such an ungracious conversant and miserable lout is immeasurable. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Oh, did I spell that wrong? I may have. To err is human, etc.. Perhaps a personal note offering a correction would have been more appropriate. Guy Hayden -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:53 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation What's your point here? You were wrong, in a relatively minor way, but wrong, nonetheless. Why would you not be grateful for a correction from a native German speaker? I learned German a long time ago, but I recognize that I am missing a lot of the details and am always grateful for corrections from people like Johannes because I recognize that I can't possibly have the same depth of understanding of the language that a native speaker does. What truly amazes me is the idiomatic written English of folks like Johannes -- if I didn't know that he was not a native English speaker, I don't think I could detect it from his postings on the list. That humbles me whenever I think I have something to say about the German language -- I'm not even in the same universe as Johannes when it comes to second-language proficiency. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinMac 2k7b Problem Printing PDFs (More Info)
Sorry to make this a two-parter... But here's some new information... Just to test things, I went back to the file I had PDF-ed successfully and followed all the same steps. Worked like a charm. So it doesn't seem to be Finale. It seems to be SOMETHING that has happened to the file I was working on today that makes it not generate PDFs of the linked parts. Thanks! ng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinMac 2k7b Problem Printing PDFs
Here's a poser... A mysterious problem arose this afternoon -- doing something I've done successfully before. FinMac 2k7b on a PowerBook G4, System 10.4.8 Score and parts are linked I want to print .PDFs of the score and parts. I select Print I check the score and parts and click OK I get the Mac Print Menu I select PDF I select Save PDF I choose the folder where to save It saves a PDF of the score Then it stops and generates this error message: There is a printing problem. ID = -108 Please check the printer's power and interface connections. Also check the Chooser for the correct printer selection. In reality, I wasn't having any problem printing -- I had just printed a set of hard copies of the score and parts. Also, just last week I was working on on another project, did exactly the same process, and Finale happily spit out a .PDF for the score and for each part. Any ideas what's going wrong and how to fix it? In this case it was an emergency -- making revisions to an arrangement 3 hours before rehearsal, so I just extracted parts and printed PDFs of them individually with no problem. But I'd like to be able to batch create the PDFs as I had done before! Thanks! ng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation
On Feb 16, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Guy Hayden wrote: Thank you for pointing out my errors. My remorse at being such an ungracious conversant and miserable lout is immeasurable. Guy, the *only* error you've made here is to take offense at what was never offensive. You were absolutely right to offer your helpful post in which you mentioned the German abbreviations. Johannes was also right to add further clarification of how to best use the abbreviations. The part that baffles us is why you suddenly got all pouty and defensive. There was nothing at all rude about Johannes's post. You might easily have responded with a simple Thanks for the additional information or just left the post unanswered, and no one would have given it a second thought. Perhaps a personal note offering a correction would have been more appropriate. Surely not. The purpose of this list is to help others and to offer information. Johannes had something to offer the readers of this list, so of course his message should go to the list. What good would it do to send a note only to you? We all make mistakes sometimes. I for one am grateful when others correct mine, even on occasions where my blunder is a little embarrassing. I sincerely hope people here won't stop offering up corrections to others' posts for fear of accidentally offending someone. Please read Johannes's email again. There is no criticism there, and nothing personal about you. He simply was correcting a matter of fact. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: spam [Finale] very TAN (was: musical note values in OZ?)
SPAM comes from SPiced hAM. Much as we make fun of it (here in Hawai'i, too), it was a godsend for those who, during WWII, didn't really have any other major source of protein. In Hawai'i, that was just about everyone. That, according to legend, is where our taste for SPAM comes from. (Vienna sausage was also available. Although my parents gave me a lot of that, too, it fortunately did not become popular here.) By the way, I did a search in the online Hawaiian dictionary for SPAM, and it also had No entries found for spam.. And, just to make a very roundabout attempt to bring this somewhat back to music/finale, is there any kind of term for musical spam (other than muzak(tm))? Many's the time I've been mulling over a tune/arrangement in my head while walking about, only to have a PA (or some car driving by) bombard me with musical spam. John Howell wrote: Let's not forget that the generic spam (unwanted communications) comes from the very specifically trademarked Spam (specially processed ham, of WW II fame, and still on store shelves), both of which can be translated as S**t! John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest
Thank you for all your trouble in helping me out! First I tried out Hans's idea, but Finale could not understand that I wanted to have a MM rest in one stave AND stille see the other stave (MM rest = part, ergo: no other staves are to be seen) (Hans, what did I do wrong?) Then David's suggestion would have worked if I did this project in Fin07. But now I would have to renumber all following measure regions, and having a lot of those, I decided to try Vern's way. And that works! Thanks Vern! And thank you all. Minke (isn't it fun to fool Finale?) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 16 februari 2007 16:40 Aan: finale@shsu.edu Onderwerp: Re: [Finale] Cue notes starting IN multi measure rest I have a solution, but it's nasty work. I've encountered similar issues before and you have to lie to Finale and make it do things it doesn't want to do. I'm assuming that your concern here is only with the individual part, and not the score, so here goes. In m. 20 (where you want to see the cue notes) enter the rests and cue notes that you want to see (at full size). Hide the ones you don't want to see. Reduce the entries as needed (percentage tool for individual notes/rests, or mass mover tool for all). In the preceding measures (that should comprise the 20 measure MM rest, enter whole rests (depending on the meter, if it's 3/4 use dotted half, etc) and hide them. Then, using the Measure Tool, select 1-19 to have no bar lines. Select the width to extremely small (your choice). Now, go to the Expressions tool, select Staff Expression and create the 20 bar multi measure rest in the Shape Designer. (You can copy the default shape of the MM rest, which I think is Shape ID 0), or you can start from scratch using the drawing tools available. If you have ever used Freehand or Illustrator or any drawing program this should not be unbearably tedious. Be sure to include the numbers (20) over the MM rest; this should be a complete, stand alone MM rest clone so you can place it in the part and have it look authentic. One you finish, make sure that the shape is not selected to stretch or expand with the music and click it into the part somewhere near the approximate center of the 20 measure range you already modified. You'll have to play with the system layout and possibly change the width of the measures that comprise this fake MM rest (using the measure tool), but you should end up with something that looks like what they want to see. Fun, huh? Dear Colleagues! Having a new problem I can't figure out myself, I turn to you again. Is there a way to start cue notes IN a multimeasure rest? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
