Re: [Finale] Glyph issues with Aruvarb

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Steve,

Thanks! The problem actually turned out to be a perfect storm of user error:

1) I was not aware that Unicode fonts, like Aruvarb, must NOT be added to 
MacSymbolFonts.txt or they will not display correctly.

2) I had Aruvarb included in the MacSymbolFonts.txt file in my MacHD/Library… 
folder, and since the font was working for me, I concluded that this meant the 
font SHOULD be included in MacSymbolFonts.txt.

3) But as it turns out, the MacSymbolFonts.txt I was looking at was actually 
being overriden by the MacSymbolFonts.txt in my user Library… folder — and in 
that version, Aruvarb was NOT included in the file.

As a result of the above, I gave the incorrect instructions to my collaborator 
that the font needed to be included in MacSymbolFonts.txt, when in fact the 
opposite was true. My bad!

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> On 11 Aug 2018, at 10:42 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> 
> Hello Darcy,
> 
> This sound very familiar. Make sure both of you have the same setup...
> 1. Preference>Open - "Clean Up File Data" UnChecked
> 2. Preference>Open - "Text Conversion" Everything unchecked.
> 3. Preference>Edit - "Substitute Font for Missing Unicode Characters" UnCheck.
> 
> These three things are the biggest problem with collaboration. If it doesn't 
> help, let me know. I'm pretty good with resolving these conflicts.
> 
> Good luck,
> Steve Fiskum
> 
> From: Finale  on behalf of Darcy James Argue 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:03 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Glyph issues with Aruvarb
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> Am I right that that there are others on this list who are using Aruvarb (Jan 
> Angermüller’s adaptation of Bravura for Finale) as their music font?
> 
> If so, could I ask about a strange problem I have encountered?
> 
> I’m sharing files using Aruvarb with a collaborator. I’m using the most 
> recent OTF version of Aruvarb — this version of the font is billed as 
> Windows-only — it is missing the characters in slots 129-159 in macOS — but 
> other than that it works for my purposes, as those characters are duplicated 
> in other slots.
> 
> My collaborator has installed the same version of Aruvarb on his iMac, but 
> when he opens my Finale files, most of the glyphs show up as a boxed “?”. We 
> are both running Finale v25.5 on macOS.
> 
> Curiously, the glyphs do display correctly on his laptop, but not on his 
> iMac. The glyphs also show up correctly in Finale 2014.5 on both machines.
> 
> We have tried:
> 
> - adding Aruvarb to the MacSymbolFonts.txt file
> - removing the OTF version of Aruvarb and installing the TTF version
> - clearing the macOS font cache from the Terminal, then restarting the iMac
> - reinstalling Finale
> 
> We have also tried removing this version and installing the older, deprecated 
> version of Aruvarb available from the elbsound site, which is supposed to be 
> fully macOS compatible. When we do, we have the opposite problem — most 
> glyphs show up correctly for my collaborator, but on my MacBook Pro, many 
> symbols are mapped incorrectly. For instance, on my system, glyph #250, which 
> is supposed to be the half note glyph, is a parenthesized downbow-upbow pair.
> 
> I vaguely recall having this problem when I first installed Aruvarb, but for 
> the life of me I cannot recall what I did to fix it. It’s also very 
> mysterious that the glyphs display correctly on my collaborator’s laptop but 
> not his iMac — both are running the same OS (macOS 10.12.6) and the same 
> version of Finale.
> 
> Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Cheers,
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[Finale] Glyph issues with Aruvarb

[Darcy James Argue]

Hello list,

Am I right that that there are others on this list who are using Aruvarb (Jan 
Angermüller’s adaptation of Bravura for Finale) as their music font?

If so, could I ask about a strange problem I have encountered?

I’m sharing files using Aruvarb with a collaborator. I’m using the most recent 
OTF version of Aruvarb — this version of the font is billed as Windows-only — 
it is missing the characters in slots 129-159 in macOS — but other than that it 
works for my purposes, as those characters are duplicated in other slots.

My collaborator has installed the same version of Aruvarb on his iMac, but when 
he opens my Finale files, most of the glyphs show up as a boxed “?”. We are 
both running Finale v25.5 on macOS.

Curiously, the glyphs do display correctly on his laptop, but not on his iMac. 
The glyphs also show up correctly in Finale 2014.5 on both machines.

We have tried:

- adding Aruvarb to the MacSymbolFonts.txt file
- removing the OTF version of Aruvarb and installing the TTF version
- clearing the macOS font cache from the Terminal, then restarting the iMac
- reinstalling Finale

We have also tried removing this version and installing the older, deprecated 
version of Aruvarb available from the elbsound site, which is supposed to be 
fully macOS compatible. When we do, we have the opposite problem — most glyphs 
show up correctly for my collaborator, but on my MacBook Pro, many symbols are 
mapped incorrectly. For instance, on my system, glyph #250, which is supposed 
to be the half note glyph, is a parenthesized downbow-upbow pair.

I vaguely recall having this problem when I first installed Aruvarb, but for 
the life of me I cannot recall what I did to fix it. It’s also very mysterious 
that the glyphs display correctly on my collaborator’s laptop but not his iMac 
— both are running the same OS (macOS 10.12.6) and the same version of Finale.

Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: [Finale] fade out

[Darcy James Argue]

I recommend you do the fade out in audio software, not Finale.

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> On 24 Mar 2018, at 8:49 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. How do you manage to have a fade-out over 12 measures with "Scale 
> to…” ?
> 
> Haroldo
> 
> 
> On Mar 24, 2018, at 21:13, Skjalg Bjørstad  
> wrote:
> 
>> I would use «Scale to...» in the MIDI tool. 
>> 
>> Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.
>> 
>>> 24. mar. 2018 kl. 14:06 skrev Haroldo Mauro :
>>> 
>>> Hi, I want to have a twelve-measure fade out in a score for piano, bass and 
>>> drums. So I created a “fade out” expression and set the playback to:
>>> type - velocity
>>> execute a shape
>>> 
>>> The percussion sounds remain at the same volume while the other two 
>>> instruments fade. Any suggestions? 
>>> Also, can anyone tell me which shape lasts the longest time?
>>> 
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[Finale] Glissando (tab slide) smart line playback in HP

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Is there any way to get Human Playback to correctly play back glissandos 
(straight gliss line using “tab slide” smart shape) when there are notes that 
are both the endpoint of one gliss and the beginning of another?

The results are fine when the tab slide just connects two pitches, but as soon 
as you want to gliss from an arrival note to another note, the results are 
invariably catastrophic.

I've tried moving the notation to a hidden layer, which lets me split arrival 
notes into two tied notes (which kinda sorta works, sometimes). But then adding 
a display-only layer that also includes the necessary glissandos for display 
screws up the gliss playback of the hidden layer, even with "Playback" 
unchecked in the display-only layer.

Any solution that does not involve making a separate file for playback?

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Re: [Finale] Darcy James Argue's "Transit" in performance!

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Raymond,

Thanks so much for the firsthand report!

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On Apr 28, 2017, 1:08 PM -0400, Raymond Horton , 
wrote:
> Imagine my surprise! I had not looked closely at the program of the
> Louisville Orchestra concert I attended this morning, and all of a sudden
> the Orchestra formed in a big band formation and conductor Teddy Abrams
> started talking about our good list friend Darcy James Argue, and his piece
> "Transit" that we were about to hear.
>
> Very good piece, very well played, and extremely well-received by the
> audience, (which tends to be, well, old - we always called it the Blue Hair
> concert when I was in the orchestra.)
>
> Raymond Horton
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> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 Octaves

[Darcy James Argue]

Turn off “Respect Instrument Ranges When Copying or Changing Instruments” in 
Preferences > Edit, and write a sternly-worded email to MakeMusic asking them 
why on Earth they ever decided to make this box checked by default.

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> On Apr 10, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Lawrence Yates  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just bought Finale 25 Windows.
> 
> I've had a couple of passages somehow being transposed up an octave without
> any input from me.  Fortunately I've spotted them so far but this could be
> disastrous should I miss them.
> 
> Is this a known fault or am I doing something stupid?  (Never had this
> problem in any other version of Finale).  The current problem was in a
> bassoon part which I entered correctly.  When I changed to look at the
> score in scroll view it was transposed up the octave.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: [Finale] Fermata and tuplet

[Darcy James Argue]

Exactly correct.

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> On Apr 9, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
>  wrote:
> 
> The fermata changes the pulse and hence has the most profound effect, so the 
> fermate must always be on top of anything else.
> 
> Klaus 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 4/7/17, Barbara Touburg  wrote:
> 
> Subject: [Finale] Fermata and tuplet
> To: "Finale" 
> Date: Friday, April 7, 2017, 7:22 PM
> 
> Which one goes on top of which one?
> Thanks!
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[Finale] Keyboard Maestro shortcuts and Finale checkboxes

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Has anyone had any success getting Keyboard Maestro to:

A) recognize the current state of Finale checkboxes using "If/Then/Else”?

B) getting Keyboard Maestro the click checkboxes using “Press A Button” (rather 
than a simulated mouse click)?

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Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

[Darcy James Argue]

Semi-stressed bears aren’t subtle either, but (lest anyone be concerned) that 
was a typo for “beat.”

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> On Dec 13, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
> 
> The difference between a barline accent and an internal semi-stressed bear is 
> not subtle! 


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Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

[Darcy James Argue]

The difference between a barline accent and an internal semi-stressed bear is 
not subtle! And if we are talking about a musical gesture which extends a 
phrase from 4/4 to 6/4 (or 3/2), chopping that extended measure up into three 
smaller measures obscures rather than clarifies.

Really, the only reason to object to 6/4 subdivided 2+2+2 is that it's (mildly) 
unconventional. But conventions can and should evolve over time along with the 
music.

Please note that I'm not saying that 3/2 is *never* the right choice when you 
want 2+2+2. Only that (especially in a multi-metric piece where every other 
time sig is x/4 and the pulse does not change) there are many good reasons why 
a contemporary composer might prefer  6/4 instead of 3/2 to indicate duple 
meter. That honestly doesn't seem like it ought to be such a controversial 
statement. 

Cheers,

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> On Dec 13, 2016, at 7:55 AM, timothy.price  wrote:
> 
> Although it uses 3 measures if indicating a 2/4, rather than one 6/4  
> measure, we seem to have come full circle.
> If, as Christopher objects, there might be "too much" stress on  
> syllables 3 and 5. Fair, but perhaps only flailing at gnats.
> Which makes me wonder what accents or tenuto marks are commonly used  
> to "not accent" a note?  or even to decrease its volume?
> I think of something like \ over a note to indicate that it not to be  
> stressed, or is to be decreased in stress.
> What makings are there to do this?
> 
> tim
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>> 
>> And to answer your question:
>> 
>> With a expression above the measure that says "2+2+2” (as I believe  
>> Chris Smith also suggested).
>> 
>> Cheers,
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:06 AM, David H. Bailey  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how would you indicate stresses on 1, 3, and 5 in a measure
>>> containing 6 quarter notes without using accents or tenuto lines  
>>> or any
>>> other articulation, but rather simply by the meter, which was the
>>> original question?
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Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

[Darcy James Argue]

And to answer your question:

With a expression above the measure that says "2+2+2” (as I believe Chris Smith 
also suggested).

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> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:06 AM, David H. Bailey  wrote:
> 
> So how would you indicate stresses on 1, 3, and 5 in a measure 
> containing 6 quarter notes without using accents or tenuto lines or any 
> other articulation, but rather simply by the meter, which was the 
> original question?


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Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

[Darcy James Argue]

The discussion seemed to have moved beyond the specifics of the original 
question — people were making broad normative claims about 6/4 versus 3/2.

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> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:06 AM, David H. Bailey  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/9/2016 5:14 PM, iCloud wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>> The distinction is useful until it’s not.
>> 
>> If I have a fast piece in 2/2, conducted in 2, and then I need a bar that’s 
>> elongated by a beat, I’m going to write a bar of 3/2, and conduct that bar 
>> in 3.
>> 
>> If I have a piece in 5/4, conducted in 5, and then I need a bar that’s 
>> elongated by a beat, I’m going to write a bar of 6/4, and conduct that bar 
>> in 6.
>> 
>> If I have a piece in 4/4, conducted in 4, and then I need a bar that’s 
>> elongated by two beats, I’m also going to write a bar of 6/4, and conduct 
>> that bar in 6.
>> 
>> Traditional worries about which parts of the bar are stressed don’t really 
>> apply to my music, and that’s true of much modern music.
>> 
>> That bar of 6 might contain people playing all kinds of syncopations and 
>> over-the-barline rhythms and cross-rhythms. There might not even *be* an 
>> attack on beat 4 to emphasize. Insisting that 3/2 can only be 2+2+2 and 6/4 
>> can *only* be 2+2+2 is a convention that is not useful my music, or in the 
>> music of many (if not most) contemporary composers.
>> 
> 
> Darcy, the musical project in question in the original message was only 
> asking about which would be better for the particular situation in which 
> he specifically asked for a measure in which there will be 6 quarter 
> notes which would be better to indicate placing the stresses on quarter 
> notes 1, 3, and 5 instead of 1 and 4.
> 
> You obviously write your music in a manner which produces the great 
> results you and your band get and obviously what you write is clear to 
> them. Your arguments in favor of 6/4 have all been very good for the 
> kind of music that you write as well as a lot of other modern music (but 
> not necessarily for all music being written today) but in none of your 
> replies in this thread have you indicated how best to show the stresses 
> on quarter notes 1,3 and 5.
> 
> How would you indicate such in music which doesn't have syncopations and 
> other obscurations of the beat?  In fact in your reply which I've quoted 
> intact you say "there might not even *be* an attack on beat 4 to 
> emphasize." That's about as far from the original question as a person 
> can get because the original question indicated clearly that he didn't 
> want to emphasize the 4th quarter note, which indicates that there *is* 
> an attack on the 4th quarter note (in a measure containing 6 quarter 
> notes) which he doesn't want stressed.
> 
> So how would you indicate stresses on 1, 3, and 5 in a measure 
> containing 6 quarter notes without using accents or tenuto lines or any 
> other articulation, but rather simply by the meter, which was the 
> original question?
> 
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Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

[Darcy James Argue]

Breaking up the bar asymmetrically like that might work in certain situations, 
but there are many cases where it will not, and 6/4 really is the best answer. 

YMMV as they say, but I never lose any sleep over using a binary 6/4 and it has 
never caused any confusion for performers.

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The conventional answer is 3/2, because as you say, traditionally 6/4 is 
> compound meter. 
> 
> I personally ignore this convention for exactly the reason you describe — 
> that it suggests that the underlying X/4 pulse changes, and that is 
> unintentional. In a mixed-meter piece, going from 4/4 to 3/4 to 5/4 to 3/2 
> causes needless confusion.
> 
> Sometimes, conventions are dumb.
> 
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> 
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 2:39 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with David and Raymond, 3/2.
>> 
>> 
>> ***
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Lee Dengler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a theory question for all you theory buffs out there.  I am writing a
>>> piece that is mostly in a slow 4/4 meter (quarter note =60).  Occasionally,
>>> I have a measure of 6 beats where the quarter note remains consistent.  In
>>> those measures, the stress of lyrics falls on beats 1, 3 and 5.  Should I
>>> make those measures 3/2 or 6/4.   My uncertainty lies in that going to 3/2
>>> makes it look like the half note gets the beat, but 6/4 is generally
>>> considered to be a compound meter (3+3).  Any words of wisdom?
>>> 
>>> Lee Dengler
>>> 
>>> leedeng...@comcast.net <mailto:leedeng...@comcast.net> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

The conventional answer is 3/2, because as you say, traditionally 6/4 is 
compound meter. 

I personally ignore this convention for exactly the reason you describe — that 
it suggests that the underlying X/4 pulse changes, and that is unintentional. 
In a mixed-meter piece, going from 4/4 to 3/4 to 5/4 to 3/2 causes needless 
confusion.

Sometimes, conventions are dumb.

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 2:39 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> 
> I agree with David and Raymond, 3/2.
> 
> 
> ***
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Lee Dengler  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a theory question for all you theory buffs out there.  I am writing a
>> piece that is mostly in a slow 4/4 meter (quarter note =60).  Occasionally,
>> I have a measure of 6 beats where the quarter note remains consistent.  In
>> those measures, the stress of lyrics falls on beats 1, 3 and 5.  Should I
>> make those measures 3/2 or 6/4.   My uncertainty lies in that going to 3/2
>> makes it look like the half note gets the beat, but 6/4 is generally
>> considered to be a compound meter (3+3).  Any words of wisdom?
>> 
>> Lee Dengler
>> 
>> leedeng...@comcast.net  
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Hairpins: cresc. dal niente; dim. al niente

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Hi Jan,

Amazing!

Can’t wait for this to be released!

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> On Nov 15, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Jan Angermüller  wrote:
> 
> Here is a demo video of what my Perfect Layout plugin does to create 
> niente hairpins in Finale.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNYfVVNnYgw
> 
> Any niente "o" symbol is recognized as the full music font database is 
> included with support of more than 400 music fonts (and text fonts of 
> course).
> The symbol is then visually connected to the hairpin.
> Also the hairpins and dynamics are automatically vertically and 
> horizontally optimized.
> The plugin is called with its default settings and performs all 
> optimizations tasks listed in https://elbsound.studio/perfect_layout.php .
> It will be available when the JW Lua plugin engine has received at least 
> one more update from Jari.
> 
> Jan Angermueller
> https://elbsound.studio
> 
> Am 13.11.2016 um 19:51 schrieb Robert Patterson:
>> I've found shapes generally to be more reliable since Fin14, but you are
>> right that independent time sigs are a problem. (Especially jumping between
>> mus and musx.)
>> 
>> But either way it doesn't really address OP's issue. Whether you could
>> include the "niente" symbol or not, you'd still have these issues.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, November 13, 2016 10:20 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
> I wish that, once overruled by hand-adjustment, it would no
 longer search for the nearest beat.
 
 Try Preferences->Edit->Anchor Indicator Lines...
>>> 
>>> That only changes the rubber bands. I mean the *shape* won't hold its
>>> position
>>> or refuses to move as requested. It prefers to go to a beat position. This
>>> only happens in unusual time signatures or independent time signatures. But
>>> it's a real bear because there are times when the hairpin simply can't be
>>> positioned *at all* on a given staff -- it's always overruled.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Mike,

All new Macs come with macOS Sierra and it’s not possible to install an older 
OS. Finale 2010 is definitely not supported on Sierra. If you buy a new Mac you 
will also need to upgrade to Finale v25.

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From: Michael Dutka 
Reply: finale@shsu.edu 
Date: November 5, 2016 at 7:13:27 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Subject:  [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12  

Hi folks. Want to buy a new computer, but don't want to upgrade to Finale  
2012 (it doesn't back up as well as 2010) or 2014 (reading what you-all say  
about it scares me to death).  

Anyone know any reason I can't install Finale 2010 on a new mac, per above?  
Anyone know for sure that I can?  

Thanks,  
Mike  
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[Finale] iKey/yKey replacement — must have simulated mouse clicks

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

It seems that simulated mouse clicks no longer work in yKey (formerly iKey) as 
of OS X 10.11 — at least, I have not been able to get them to work.

Is there a replacement Mac macro app that does simulated mouse clicks that 
works correctly under El Capitan and Sierra?

I know Keyboard Maestro is well-regarded and (notwithstanding the name) 
simulated mouse clicks are advertised as being part of the feature set, but 
could anyone confirm that this feature does in fact work in 10.11 and 10.12?

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Re: [Finale] Printing 8.5"x11" PDF 2-up to 12"x18" paper

[Darcy James Argue]

Yes, but that process is extremely slow and cumbersome when working with a 
large number of files.

I found this solution, which is very good and speeds things up considerably. 
It’s still a 2-step solution, which is less than ideal. And and it’s not smart 
enough to automatically switch to Straight Page Order for 2-page originals when 
printing in Folded Booklet Order (so you have to manually exclude 2-page 
originals) but it’s FAR better than doing it manually.

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/batch-scale-pdf/

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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:12 AM, Ryan Beard  wrote:
> 
> Can you print to PDF each page first to 9"x12", then impose those two 9x12 
> pages on 12"x18"?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 7:27 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> Does anyone have a good solution for printing 8.5”x11” PDFs 2-up onto 
>> 12”x18” paper that both enlarges the image the correct amount and preserves 
>> equidistant margins?  
>> 
>> The app Bookbinder’s Collator does this perfectly when making booklets, but 
>> it is not able to do regular 2-up. And neither Preview nor Adobe Reader seem 
>> to offer sufficient control over the enlargement or the inner margins.  
>> 
>> Cheers,  
>> 
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[Finale] Printing 8.5"x11" PDF 2-up to 12"x18" paper

[Darcy James Argue]

Hello, 

Does anyone have a good solution for printing 8.5”x11” PDFs 2-up onto 12”x18” 
paper that both enlarges the image the correct amount and preserves equidistant 
margins?  

The app Bookbinder’s Collator does this perfectly when making booklets, but it 
is not able to do regular 2-up. And neither Preview nor Adobe Reader seem to 
offer sufficient control over the enlargement or the inner margins.  

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Re: [Finale] Wrapping a System

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There is a plugin to remove vertical collisions but it doesn’t actually work.

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> On Sep 29, 2016, at 3:44 AM, Giovanni Andreani  
> wrote:
> 
> Is there anyway to automate the process of system wrapping? I have a score 
> with several graphic elements surrounding almost each staff (hairpins, text 
> blocks, dynamics, etc) and, for every system I need to wrap the top and 
> bottom system's margins to include the further elements there attached. I was 
> wondering if there's a plugin or anything that may speed up the process 
> instead of manually nudging each system's top and bottom margins.
> 
> 
> Giovanni
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Giovanni Andreani
> 
> www.giovanniandreani.com
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Re: [Finale] yKey (iKey) "Move To" shortcuts no longer work in 10.11

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Chuck,

Thanks. I seem to recall you having serious issues with SmartScroll in the 
past, no? 

Also, can any current yKey users confirm?

How do Mac users who use a trackpad as their primary input device deal with 
this issue? Scrolling with the trackpad in Page View has been horribly broken 
in Finale for a while now, but there is no keyboard shortcut to advance or 
retreat in Scroll View by one measure.

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> On Sep 25, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> I used to use SmartScroll for this.  Haven’t tried it recently, but it’s 
> worth a look.  It uses the directional arrow keys to accomplish this.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 11:00 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know Apple just released macOS 10.12 but I just recently upgraded to OS X 
>> 10.11.6 and am still trying to work out all the kinks.
>> 
>> One major kink is that yKey (formerly iKey) shortcuts that involve 
>> simulating mouse movements (“Move To”) no longer seem to work.
>> 
>> I’m not sure if any yKey users have found a solution to this?
>> 
>> The only Finale command I need a simulated mouse click for is to 
>> advance/retreat one measure in Scroll View — but I REALLY need a keyboard 
>> shortcut for that, as trying to accurately scroll right or left using a 
>> Magic Trackpad is still basically impossible, even in Finale v25.
>> 
>> Since Finale does not have a menu command or a built-in shortcut key for 
>> advance/retreat one measure, the only way to get a shortcut for this is to 
>> simulate a mouse click on the measure forward/back buttons. But OS X 10.11 
>> seems to have rendered that part of yKey non-functional… unless I’m missing 
>> something?
>> 
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[Finale] yKey (iKey) "Move To" shortcuts no longer work in 10.11

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

I know Apple just released macOS 10.12 but I just recently upgraded to OS X 
10.11.6 and am still trying to work out all the kinks.

One major kink is that yKey (formerly iKey) shortcuts that involve simulating 
mouse movements (“Move To”) no longer seem to work.

I’m not sure if any yKey users have found a solution to this?

The only Finale command I need a simulated mouse click for is to 
advance/retreat one measure in Scroll View — but I REALLY need a keyboard 
shortcut for that, as trying to accurately scroll right or left using a Magic 
Trackpad is still basically impossible, even in Finale v25.

Since Finale does not have a menu command or a built-in shortcut key for 
advance/retreat one measure, the only way to get a shortcut for this is to 
simulate a mouse click on the measure forward/back buttons. But OS X 10.11 
seems to have rendered that part of yKey non-functional… unless I’m missing 
something?

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Re: [Finale] MacFin v25 Programming tool set causes fatal Preferences corruption?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Chuck,

Preferences > Palettes and Backgrounds > Use Large Tool icons

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The “Large Icons” option in v25 should help make the tools more visible, no?
> 
> Darcy,  
> 
> Where do I find this, Please?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Yeah, except the prefs are now in a different place, so I hadn’t saved them! 
>>  Nuts.  Rebuild time, and now I know they are in the Application Support 
>> library under com.makemusic.plist (and there’s another whose name I forgot), 
>> so I will have to make copies of those now.
>> 
>> Didn’t see the large icons option in v125.  I will look for it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Darcy,
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I have reproduced this behavior.  Glad I saved extra preference files!
>>>> 
>>>> Definitely a bug, and the smaller tool icons are a pain in the neck for 
>>>> old eyes. (I know - it’s for laptop users.)  How many years have I been 
>>>> asking for the old tool icon design?  They always say, “It’s complicated, 
>>>> but we’ll get to it.”
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:31 PM, Darcy James Argue  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can anyone else confirm this? (MacFin v25 on OS X 10.11.6)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steps:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Launch Finale with a known good set of preferences.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) Hold down option and go View > Program Tool Set 1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3) File > Save Preferences
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4) Quit Finale
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5) Re-launch Finale. Finale will crash on quit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can anyone reproduce?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
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Re: [Finale] MacFin v25 Programming tool set causes fatal Preferences corruption?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for testing, and yes, glad you saved prefs beforehand!

The “Large Icons” option in v25 should help make the tools more visible, no?

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> Hi Darcy,
> 
> Yes, I have reproduced this behavior.  Glad I saved extra preference files!
> 
> Definitely a bug, and the smaller tool icons are a pain in the neck for old 
> eyes. (I know - it’s for laptop users.)  How many years have I been asking 
> for the old tool icon design?  They always say, “It’s complicated, but we’ll 
> get to it.”
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:31 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Can anyone else confirm this? (MacFin v25 on OS X 10.11.6)
>> 
>> Steps:
>> 
>> 1) Launch Finale with a known good set of preferences.
>> 
>> 2) Hold down option and go View > Program Tool Set 1
>> 
>> 3) File > Save Preferences
>> 
>> 4) Quit Finale
>> 
>> 5) Re-launch Finale. Finale will crash on quit.
>> 
>> Can anyone reproduce?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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[Finale] MacFin v25 Programming tool set causes fatal Preferences corruption?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Can anyone else confirm this? (MacFin v25 on OS X 10.11.6)

Steps:

1) Launch Finale with a known good set of preferences.

2) Hold down option and go View > Program Tool Set 1

3) File > Save Preferences

4) Quit Finale

5) Re-launch Finale. Finale will crash on quit.

Can anyone reproduce?

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[Finale] Shortening the Tool Palette in MacFin25

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Getting set up with Mac Finale v25 for the first time, and it seems that there 
isn’t any way to shorten the Tool Palette?

I believe ever since I began using Finale (3.0), it has been possible to 
eliminate tools from the tool set by resizing it. I keep mine in a single 
horizontal strip, and would like to eliminate the (useless) Zoom Tool and Hand 
Grabber Tool from my Tool Palette. In every other version, I have done this by 
programming a custom tool set that those tools positioned to the far right of 
the palette, then dragging to the left to shorten the palette by two positions.

In v25, if I do this, the palette resizes itself into two horizontal rows. 
After that, you can shorten to your heart’s content, but unless I’m missing 
something, there does not seem to be any way to shorten the Tool Palette when 
it is a single horizontal strip.

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Darcy James Argue]

Linked parts is the big one.

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On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer (li...@musikmanufaktur.com) 
wrote:

I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale  
(2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I  
will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by  
itself...)  

Thanks,  
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Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[Darcy James Argue]

So, eventually, after tediously trying multiple installs, I finally managed to 
manually locate and remove all Garritan and Plogue files from my computer. I 
had had already tried Library/Application Support, ~/Library/Application 
Support, and ~/Library/Preferences, but it turns out there are also files in 
Library/Audio that need to be removed to get a clean reinstall. (ARIA really 
needs to come with an uninstaller.) 

I also had to remove all sample files.

After that, doing a complete reinstall in the following order worked:

GPO4
JABB3
Finale 2014.5 (Garritan Instruments and ARIA player)
ARIA Player v1.872

An absolute nightmare that took untold hours, but at least I’ve got the GPO and 
JABB instruments back.

In future, it would be nice to know if there were a less brute-force method.

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From: Darcy James Argue 
Reply: Darcy James Argue 
Date: May 4, 2016 at 12:31:07 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Subject:  Re: Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA  

So after a complete reinstall of JABB (including reverting to Aria 1.091), the 
Aria player *still* only recognizes “Finale Default Bank.” I tried removing all 
Aria and Plogue items from Library/Application Support, ~/Library/Application 
Support and ~/Library/Preferences and reinstalling Arian 1.091 and the only 
thing I’ve succeeded in doing is making it worse — now Aria won’t even 
recognize “Finale Default Bank.” If anyone has any troubleshooting tips I’d be 
most appreciative, as (of course) I am on deadline.

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From: Darcy James Argue 
Reply: Darcy James Argue 
Date: May 3, 2016 at 5:22:29 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Subject:  Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

Hi all,

Can someone explain what the trick is to get the latest version of ARIA Player 
to recognize GPO4 and JABB3?

I’ve followed the instructions here:

http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5381/~/setting-up-garritan-sound-libraries-in-finale-and-printmusic

The result is that instrument libraries show up as options in Finale 2014.5, 
but the instrument samples don’t load.

I’ve also tried directing ARIA (latest version) to my Applications folder, 
which contains the “Garritan Jazz and Big Band 3” and “Garritan Personal 
Orchestra 4” folders. These libraries then show up as “User” libraries in the 
ARIA player but the samples still don’t load.

Has anyone gotten this to work?

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Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[Darcy James Argue]

So after a complete reinstall of JABB (including reverting to Aria 1.091), the 
Aria player *still* only recognizes “Finale Default Bank.” I tried removing all 
Aria and Plogue items from Library/Application Support, ~/Library/Application 
Support and ~/Library/Preferences and reinstalling Arian 1.091 and the only 
thing I’ve succeeded in doing is making it worse — now Aria won’t even 
recognize “Finale Default Bank.” If anyone has any troubleshooting tips I’d be 
most appreciative, as (of course) I am on deadline.

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From: Darcy James Argue 
Reply: Darcy James Argue 
Date: May 3, 2016 at 5:22:29 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Subject:  Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA  

Hi all,

Can someone explain what the trick is to get the latest version of ARIA Player 
to recognize GPO4 and JABB3?

I’ve followed the instructions here:

http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5381/~/setting-up-garritan-sound-libraries-in-finale-and-printmusic

The result is that instrument libraries show up as options in Finale 2014.5, 
but the instrument samples don’t load.

I’ve also tried directing ARIA (latest version) to my Applications folder, 
which contains the “Garritan Jazz and Big Band 3” and “Garritan Personal 
Orchestra 4” folders. These libraries then show up as “User” libraries in the 
ARIA player but the samples still don’t load.

Has anyone gotten this to work?

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[Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Can someone explain what the trick is to get the latest version of ARIA Player 
to recognize GPO4 and JABB3?

I’ve followed the instructions here:

http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5381/~/setting-up-garritan-sound-libraries-in-finale-and-printmusic

The result is that instrument libraries show up as options in Finale 2014.5, 
but the instrument samples don’t load.

I’ve also tried directing ARIA (latest version) to my Applications folder, 
which contains the “Garritan Jazz and Big Band 3” and “Garritan Personal 
Orchestra 4” folders. These libraries then show up as “User” libraries in the 
ARIA player but the samples still don’t load.

Has anyone gotten this to work?

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Re: [Finale] grace notes in voiced linked parts

[Darcy James Argue]

Rather than extract the parts, you could add new hidden staves to the score and 
copy/explode the instruments to separate staves — plugins make this easier. 

That way you can at least keep all of the parts in the same file, which makes 
updating and printing them much, much easier.

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On Mar 8, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Christopher Smith  
wrote:

> The only solution I know of is to extract the part. You can make it more 
> painless by doing ALL the formatting you can (except grace note spacing) 
> while it is a linked part, then extract and respace just before you print. 
> That way, if there are edits later, you don’t have to reformat EVERYTHING, 
> just make the edit and extract and respace again.
> 
> Also, log a complaint with tech support. This is an unconscionable bug.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 8, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>> 
>> What's the solution to spacing grace notes in a linked part that has
>> voicing defined for 2 instruments? Is there a solution? Would prefer not to
>> extract the part, but I will if necessary.
>> 
>> Finale 2012c.
>> 
>> I've opened the file in 2014.5, but I still had the same trouble.
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Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[Darcy James Argue]

Craig,

When the two chords are stacked vertically, with a horizontal line separating 
them, they are played as a polychord, e.g.

F#
—
C

Chord inversions and chords with an alternate bass are both displayed with a 
diagonal slash, e.g.,

F#/C

(Sometimes the alternate bass is subscript but the important variables here are 
the diagonal slash and the lack of vertical stacking.)

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On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Craig Parmerlee  wrote:

> On 2/13/2016 2:15 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne wrote:
> 
>> have a look here.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZymO9ZdtwQ
> 
> Just a point of curiosity, when your music shows
> 
> D
> ---
> C
> 
> How do you keep the musician from interpreting that as a D chord with a 
> C bass?
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Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[Darcy James Argue]

F#/C#min7 isn't directly supported by the Chord Tool but there are several 
simple workarounds, including entering either the slash or the chord suffix as 
an expression.

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On Feb 14, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:

> Thank you all very much for the replies but the type of polycord I'm 
> referring to is F# -C#min7. For example
> Thanks will certainly do the plug-ins you mentioned
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[Darcy James Argue]

"Hi had it confirmed yesterday by finale that they do not support poly chords"

I have no idea what you are talking about.

"• Alternate Bass: Type a slash (/), an underscore (SHIFT+hyphen), or a bar 
symbol (|) to indicate whether an alternate bass note should appear next to, 
below, or slightly to the right of the chord, respectively. Finale knows that 
what you type after the slash, underscore or bar is the alternate bass note for 
the chord."

https://www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2012Mac/Content/Finale/ID_MENU_CHORD_MANUAL.htm

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On Feb 13, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:

> 
> Hi had it confirmed yesterday by finale that they do not support poly chords 
> !!!
> Important in the big band arranging
> Also if for example you have written four trombones on one staff then decide 
> you want to remove say trombone 2 and 4 only !! This can't be achieved on 
> finale
> I have a colleague that uses Sibelius, all these things can be done and 
> chords can be entered much faster on the computer keyboard using Sibelius !! 
> would look forward to any comments that might prove me wrong 
> kind regards
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Re: [Finale] Export To Audio

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Glen,

Often I find the first "Export to Audio" command  in FinMac2014d does nothing. 
The file only appears after a second invocation.

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On Nov 5, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Glen Daum  wrote:

> I need to export a Finale file (2014d) to audio. I’ve got the file the way I 
> want it. I click on the menu item Export>Audio File. I’m taken to the finder 
> window to choose where I want the file saved. I save as an .aiff file. The 
> playback window runs through all the measures. And then … nothing. The new 
> file doesn’t appear in its expected place in the finder window hierarchy. It 
> seems to be an exercise in futility. Does anyone have any idea what I may be 
> doing wrong? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Raymond,

That is one solution, but it's less than ideal if you have "display on every 
page" headers that you do not want to display on blank pages.

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On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Raymond Horton  wrote:

> I always add blank pages at the end.
> On Aug 28, 2015 7:24 PM, "Darcy James Argue"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Greg,
>> 
>> Thanks, much obliged. (I already own that Swingline stapler.)
>> 
>> One question — what do you enter in the page range when the total length
>> of the part isn't a multiple of 4 pages?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> - DJA
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>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Greg Hamilton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Darcy,
>>> 
>>> You can easily print 2-Up to 12x18 paper from Finale. My printers are
>> the HP Laserjet 5000 and 5100.
>>> 
>>> 1. Page Setup: create a 12x18 custom paper size and select Horizontal
>> orientation.
>>> 2. Print Dialog: Create a custom preset with your desired settings
>> including 2-up in the layout section.
>>> 3. Page ranges: here is where you specify the page order. To print an 8
>> page booklet part you would type: 8,1,2,7,6,3,4,5 for your pagination.
>>> 4. If you’re doing a manual feed, then you need to turn each sheet over
>> of course.
>>> 5. To bind the part, I recommend the Swingline saddle stapler. You can
>> find them on eBay.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>>> From: Darcy James Argue 
>>>> Subject: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow
>>>> Date: August 26, 2015 at 10:05:40 PM PDT
>>>> To: 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> So after a year and a half of owning a Ricoh AP6330N, I have — somewhat
>> sheepishly — just today discovered it can actually handle 12"x18" paper. (I
>> had until now just assumed that it had the same size limitations as its
>> predecessor, the Ricoh AP2610, which maxed out at 11"x17". In retrospect
>> this was really, really dumb.)
>>>> 
>>>> Obviously that is a bit of a game changer for me! I have previously
>> been printing on individual 9"x12" sheets and taping them using the VPC
>> machine. This is no longer necessary (or remotely desirable) now that I
>> know I can print directly to 12"x18".
>>>> 
>>>> I'm curious what people's workflow is to create booklet parts on a Mac
>> — presumably it's best print to PDF first, then use booklet software to
>> assemble the 12x18 signatures? Are there apps that people would recommend
>> for this purpose? I have Bookbinder's Collator, but it's not the most
>> intelligent piece of software I've ever used.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi David,

Thanks for the tip — Booklet Creator sounds like a great app.

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On Aug 28, 2015, at 1:29 PM, David Froom  wrote:

> My workflow (Mac) is to use Booklet Creator. I could swear I got it for free, 
> but that was many years ago. It seems it is now $9.99 in the app store.
> 
> My first step is to make a pdf file of the Finale file. I work, as much as I 
> can, in 9x12. I keep this as a my reference file. I like storing pdf because 
> my publisher wants my music this way (in non-booklet form), and because 
> nothing in the score is subject to upgrades and feature adds (things that, 
> over the past 25 years, orphaned some of my older music).
> 
> Booklet Creator puts itself into the print dialog's pdf drop down menu. So I 
> open my 9x12 pdf score in Preview, make sure I've selected Paper Size 9x12 
> and Fill entire paper, then, in the pdf drop down menu, choose Create 
> Booklet. My booklet is made in about 2 seconds. I print (to my HP5000) with 
> this workflow:
> Paper size is 12x18
> Fill entire paper is selected.
> Paper Handling is set to "odd only" (then, for the second pass, "even only." 
> The paper goes straight through to the back exit in the printer, so it is 
> ready to flip without any reordering. After the second pass, it is ready to 
> staple.
> 
> The whole thing is very fast. I need to get up once to flip all the pages. 
> When I quit, the booklet goes away unless I choose to save it.
> 
> The issues: One needs to do a fair amount of back-and-forth folding to get 
> this to stay open. I usually forward fold the whole book, then bend it 
> completely backwards at every page. For more than 12 pages (three sheets of 
> paper), the edge sticks out in a pronounced way. You need a really good paper 
> trimmer to straighten that out.
> 
> Even still, this is the method of printing with which I am happiest.
> 
> David Froom
> 
> On 28 Aug 2015, at 1:00 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
> 
>>> From: Darcy James Argue 
>>> Subject: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow
>>> Date: August 26, 2015 at 10:05:40 PM PDT
>>> To: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So after a year and a half of owning a Ricoh AP6330N, I have ? somewhat 
>>> sheepishly ? just today discovered it can actually handle 12"x18" paper. (I 
>>> had until now just assumed that it had the same size limitations as its 
>>> predecessor, the Ricoh AP2610, which maxed out at 11"x17". In retrospect 
>>> this was really, really dumb.)
>>> 
>>> Obviously that is a bit of a game changer for me! I have previously been 
>>> printing on individual 9"x12" sheets and taping them using the VPC machine. 
>>> This is no longer necessary (or remotely desirable) now that I know I can 
>>> print directly to 12"x18".
>>> 
>>> I'm curious what people's workflow is to create booklet parts on a Mac ? 
>>> presumably it's best print to PDF first, then use booklet software to 
>>> assemble the 12x18 signatures? Are there apps that people would recommend 
>>> for this purpose? I have Bookbinder's Collator, but it's not the most 
>>> intelligent piece of software I've ever used.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> - DJA
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Re: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Greg,

Thanks, much obliged. (I already own that Swingline stapler.)

One question — what do you enter in the page range when the total length of the 
part isn't a multiple of 4 pages?

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On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Greg Hamilton  wrote:

> Hi Darcy,
> 
> You can easily print 2-Up to 12x18 paper from Finale. My printers are the HP 
> Laserjet 5000 and 5100.
> 
> 1. Page Setup: create a 12x18 custom paper size and select Horizontal 
> orientation.
> 2. Print Dialog: Create a custom preset with your desired settings including 
> 2-up in the layout section.
> 3. Page ranges: here is where you specify the page order. To print an 8 page 
> booklet part you would type: 8,1,2,7,6,3,4,5 for your pagination.
> 4. If you’re doing a manual feed, then you need to turn each sheet over of 
> course.
> 5. To bind the part, I recommend the Swingline saddle stapler. You can find 
> them on eBay.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Greg
> 
>> From: Darcy James Argue 
>> Subject: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow
>> Date: August 26, 2015 at 10:05:40 PM PDT
>> To: 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So after a year and a half of owning a Ricoh AP6330N, I have — somewhat 
>> sheepishly — just today discovered it can actually handle 12"x18" paper. (I 
>> had until now just assumed that it had the same size limitations as its 
>> predecessor, the Ricoh AP2610, which maxed out at 11"x17". In retrospect 
>> this was really, really dumb.)
>> 
>> Obviously that is a bit of a game changer for me! I have previously been 
>> printing on individual 9"x12" sheets and taping them using the VPC machine. 
>> This is no longer necessary (or remotely desirable) now that I know I can 
>> print directly to 12"x18".
>> 
>> I'm curious what people's workflow is to create booklet parts on a Mac — 
>> presumably it's best print to PDF first, then use booklet software to 
>> assemble the 12x18 signatures? Are there apps that people would recommend 
>> for this purpose? I have Bookbinder's Collator, but it's not the most 
>> intelligent piece of software I've ever used.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> - DJA
>> -
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Re: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow

[Darcy James Argue]

I have a duplexer for the Ricoh but (in another difference from the AP2610) it 
does not handle any custom sizes — so duplexing 9"x12" must be done manually.

How do you print to booklet directly from Finale?

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On Aug 27, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Ryan Beard  wrote:

> Depending on the size of the project, I might print to a booklet directly 
> from Finale. (A 4 or 8 pager...)
> Otherwise I print to PDF, then use PDFClerkPro to do the impositions. You 
> might check to see if Preview can do impositions. It's received a few updates 
> in the last couple OSes, IIRC. 
> 
> My HP Laserjet 5200dtn is still going strong after ten years. Good to know 
> that the Ricoh is available in case I need it. It's rare that the duplexer 
> unit will handle a large size like 12x18. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So after a year and a half of owning a Ricoh AP6330N, I have — somewhat 
>> sheepishly — just today discovered it can actually handle 12"x18" paper. (I 
>> had until now just assumed that it had the same size limitations as its 
>> predecessor, the Ricoh AP2610, which maxed out at 11"x17". In retrospect 
>> this was really, really dumb.)
>> 
>> Obviously that is a bit of a game changer for me! I have previously been 
>> printing on individual 9"x12" sheets and taping them using the VPC machine. 
>> This is no longer necessary (or remotely desirable) now that I know I can 
>> print directly to 12"x18".
>> 
>> I'm curious what people's workflow is to create booklet parts on a Mac — 
>> presumably it's best print to PDF first, then use booklet software to 
>> assemble the 12x18 signatures? Are there apps that people would recommend 
>> for this purpose? I have Bookbinder's Collator, but it's not the most 
>> intelligent piece of software I've ever used.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> - DJA
>> -
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[Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

So after a year and a half of owning a Ricoh AP6330N, I have — somewhat 
sheepishly — just today discovered it can actually handle 12"x18" paper. (I had 
until now just assumed that it had the same size limitations as its 
predecessor, the Ricoh AP2610, which maxed out at 11"x17". In retrospect this 
was really, really dumb.)

Obviously that is a bit of a game changer for me! I have previously been 
printing on individual 9"x12" sheets and taping them using the VPC machine. 
This is no longer necessary (or remotely desirable) now that I know I can print 
directly to 12"x18".

I'm curious what people's workflow is to create booklet parts on a Mac — 
presumably it's best print to PDF first, then use booklet software to assemble 
the 12x18 signatures? Are there apps that people would recommend for this 
purpose? I have Bookbinder's Collator, but it's not the most intelligent piece 
of software I've ever used.

Cheers,

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Re: [Finale] Special tools custom stem tool & triplets

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Randolph,

Thanks. I have barely scratched the surface of JW Change, but the ability to 
set notation to not affect spacing is a life-saver. I'll look into using it to 
hide stems.

Cheers,

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On Aug 24, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Randolph Peters  wrote:

> Hi Darcy,
> 
> I just confirmed this. You can use the JW Change plugin to make stems 
> invisible and it also hides the flag.
> 
> Maybe it doesn’t do everything else you want, but it is quite powerful.
> 
> -Randolph
> 
>> From: Darcy James Argue 
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Special tools custom stem tool & triplets
>> Date: August 23, 2015 at 1:07:46 PM CDT
>> To: 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Shortening the stem does not hide the flag.
>> 
>> It's not possible to create a stemless notes staff style that only affects a 
>> particular layer. That's the first thing I checked!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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Re: [Finale] disable human playback

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Jan,

Are you positive that this text expression has the result you describe? That is 
definitely not what happens on my system (FinMac 2014d). As far as I know, it 
is not possible to turn off HP on a staff-by-staff basis.

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On Aug 24, 2015, at 3:40 AM, Jan Angermüller  wrote:

> You can create a text expression with a "Human playback off" message 
> that only works on the staff that it is applied to. It works better than 
> the Assign Human Playback plugin.
> I often apply it to the drumset staff as it seems to sound more "stable" 
> then.
> 
> 
 On Aug 23, 2015, at 6:12 AM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
 
 How do I disable HP for specific measures and have it enabled for the 
 whole score? Or vice-versa. Is it possible? Thank you.
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Re: [Finale] Special tools custom stem tool & triplets

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Steve,

I'm also surprised you can't reproduce.

With these steps, I can reproduce 100% of the time:

1) Create a tuplet — in 4/4, a half-note triplet would be best because it fills 
the bar.

2) Using the custom stem tool, apply a blank shape to the stem of the first 
tuplet.

3) Copy that measure to another measure, either vertically or horizontally.

4) The tuplet has been deleted and a new measure has been created to house the 
overflow half note.

FinMac2014d

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On Aug 23, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:

> I'm not able confirm your issue but most of the annoying coping problems are  
> resolved by using Robert Patterson's Mass Copy. More powerful and reliable 
> than the built-in copying IMO. 
> 
> Good luck. 
> Steve 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> So this is a very annoying bug with no workaround that I can think of…
>> 
>> I am trying to show a 12-tone series on a part for an improvising soloist. I 
>> also want to show a cued bass line in the same measure.
>> 
>> The part is in 4/4 so the 12-tone row is in eighth-note triplets in layer 3. 
>> I want those notes to be stemless. But I want to show the stems on the cued 
>> bass line, in layer 4. So I create the stemless notes the old-fashioned way, 
>> using the Custom Stem Tool and a blank shape, breaking all the triplet 
>> beams, and hiding the triplet numbers and brackets. So far, so good.
>> 
>> The problem comes when it is time to copy this notation to another measure. 
>> When a custom stem has been applied to the first triplet in the measure, 
>> copying it causes the triplet to be deleted and the first three eighth notes 
>> of the 12-tone row come in as regular (non-triplet) eighth notes. (The other 
>> triplets come in correctly — only the first triplet in the measure is 
>> affected.)
>> 
>> Needless to say, this is a bit of a nightmare. The only workaround I can 
>> think of is leaving the regular stem in place for the first triplet, copying 
>> this notation everywhere I need it (which is many, many places), and then, 
>> once all of the copy operations are complete, going back and applying the 
>> custom stem measure-by-measure as needed.
>> 
>> Can anyone (A) confirm this bug and (B) think of a better workaround?
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [Finale] Special tools custom stem tool & triplets

[Darcy James Argue]

As far as I can tell, Mass Copy does not copy entires. I would first have to 
copy the entries. Doing so results in the overflow tuplets going into a (newly 
created) measure added to the score after the target measure, so — unless 
there's a trick I'm not aware of — Mass Copy does not help.

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On Aug 23, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:

> I'm not able confirm your issue but most of the annoying coping problems are  
> resolved by using Robert Patterson's Mass Copy. More powerful and reliable 
> than the built-in copying IMO. 
> 
> Good luck. 
> Steve 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> So this is a very annoying bug with no workaround that I can think of…
>> 
>> I am trying to show a 12-tone series on a part for an improvising soloist. I 
>> also want to show a cued bass line in the same measure.
>> 
>> The part is in 4/4 so the 12-tone row is in eighth-note triplets in layer 3. 
>> I want those notes to be stemless. But I want to show the stems on the cued 
>> bass line, in layer 4. So I create the stemless notes the old-fashioned way, 
>> using the Custom Stem Tool and a blank shape, breaking all the triplet 
>> beams, and hiding the triplet numbers and brackets. So far, so good.
>> 
>> The problem comes when it is time to copy this notation to another measure. 
>> When a custom stem has been applied to the first triplet in the measure, 
>> copying it causes the triplet to be deleted and the first three eighth notes 
>> of the 12-tone row come in as regular (non-triplet) eighth notes. (The other 
>> triplets come in correctly — only the first triplet in the measure is 
>> affected.)
>> 
>> Needless to say, this is a bit of a nightmare. The only workaround I can 
>> think of is leaving the regular stem in place for the first triplet, copying 
>> this notation everywhere I need it (which is many, many places), and then, 
>> once all of the copy operations are complete, going back and applying the 
>> custom stem measure-by-measure as needed.
>> 
>> Can anyone (A) confirm this bug and (B) think of a better workaround?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Special tools custom stem tool & triplets

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Chris,

Shortening the stem does not hide the flag.

It's not possible to create a stemless notes staff style that only affects a 
particular layer. That's the first thing I checked!

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On Aug 23, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Christopher Smith  
wrote:

> What would happen if you used the Custom Stem tool to drag the stem shorter, 
> into the notehead itself, effectively hiding it? Does the same problem occur?
> 
> Another possibility is creating a Staff Style with no stems affecting only 
> Layer 3. I am not near my Finale computer, so I can’t check that.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> So this is a very annoying bug with no workaround that I can think of…
>> 
>> I am trying to show a 12-tone series on a part for an improvising soloist. I 
>> also want to show a cued bass line in the same measure.
>> 
>> The part is in 4/4 so the 12-tone row is in eighth-note triplets in layer 3. 
>> I want those notes to be stemless. But I want to show the stems on the cued 
>> bass line, in layer 4. So I create the stemless notes the old-fashioned way, 
>> using the Custom Stem Tool and a blank shape, breaking all the triplet 
>> beams, and hiding the triplet numbers and brackets. So far, so good.
>> 
>> The problem comes when it is time to copy this notation to another measure. 
>> When a custom stem has been applied to the first triplet in the measure, 
>> copying it causes the triplet to be deleted and the first three eighth notes 
>> of the 12-tone row come in as regular (non-triplet) eighth notes. (The other 
>> triplets come in correctly — only the first triplet in the measure is 
>> affected.)
>> 
>> Needless to say, this is a bit of a nightmare. The only workaround I can 
>> think of is leaving the regular stem in place for the first triplet, copying 
>> this notation everywhere I need it (which is many, many places), and then, 
>> once all of the copy operations are complete, going back and applying the 
>> custom stem measure-by-measure as needed.
>> 
>> Can anyone (A) confirm this bug and (B) think of a better workaround?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Special tools custom stem tool & triplets

[Darcy James Argue]

There are other instruments involved (this is a full score in 4/4) so that is 
not a viable workaround.

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On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre  
wrote:

> Change that bar in that part to 12/8.
> 
> Klaus 
> 
> Aired by iPad 
> 
> Sendt fra min iPad
> 
>> Den 23/08/2015 kl. 19.54 skrev Darcy James Argue :
>> 
>> So this is a very annoying bug with no workaround that I can think of…
>> 
>> I am trying to show a 12-tone series on a part for an improvising soloist. I 
>> also want to show a cued bass line in the same measure.
>> 
>> The part is in 4/4 so the 12-tone row is in eighth-note triplets in layer 3. 
>> I want those notes to be stemless. But I want to show the stems on the cued 
>> bass line, in layer 4. So I create the stemless notes the old-fashioned way, 
>> using the Custom Stem Tool and a blank shape, breaking all the triplet 
>> beams, and hiding the triplet numbers and brackets. So far, so good.
>> 
>> The problem comes when it is time to copy this notation to another measure. 
>> When a custom stem has been applied to the first triplet in the measure, 
>> copying it causes the triplet to be deleted and the first three eighth notes 
>> of the 12-tone row come in as regular (non-triplet) eighth notes. (The other 
>> triplets come in correctly — only the first triplet in the measure is 
>> affected.)
>> 
>> Needless to say, this is a bit of a nightmare. The only workaround I can 
>> think of is leaving the regular stem in place for the first triplet, copying 
>> this notation everywhere I need it (which is many, many places), and then, 
>> once all of the copy operations are complete, going back and applying the 
>> custom stem measure-by-measure as needed.
>> 
>> Can anyone (A) confirm this bug and (B) think of a better workaround?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> - DJA
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[Finale] Special tools custom stem tool & triplets

[Darcy James Argue]

So this is a very annoying bug with no workaround that I can think of…

I am trying to show a 12-tone series on a part for an improvising soloist. I 
also want to show a cued bass line in the same measure.

The part is in 4/4 so the 12-tone row is in eighth-note triplets in layer 3. I 
want those notes to be stemless. But I want to show the stems on the cued bass 
line, in layer 4. So I create the stemless notes the old-fashioned way, using 
the Custom Stem Tool and a blank shape, breaking all the triplet beams, and 
hiding the triplet numbers and brackets. So far, so good.

The problem comes when it is time to copy this notation to another measure. 
When a custom stem has been applied to the first triplet in the measure, 
copying it causes the triplet to be deleted and the first three eighth notes of 
the 12-tone row come in as regular (non-triplet) eighth notes. (The other 
triplets come in correctly — only the first triplet in the measure is affected.)

Needless to say, this is a bit of a nightmare. The only workaround I can think 
of is leaving the regular stem in place for the first triplet, copying this 
notation everywhere I need it (which is many, many places), and then, once all 
of the copy operations are complete, going back and applying the custom stem 
measure-by-measure as needed.

Can anyone (A) confirm this bug and (B) think of a better workaround?

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Re: [Finale] disable human playback

[Darcy James Argue]

The Apply Human Playback plugin in its current form is a disaster. It's utterly 
unusable. The MIDI data it writes is completely different from the data HP 
actually employs during live playback. I don't know why this is — it used to 
work much better than it does.

The only current solution for creating an audio mockup that mixes swing and 
non-swing playback is to export the audio file twice, once with swing on and 
once with swing off, then combine the two using an audio editor. I recommend 
adding two bards of quarter-note cross-stick click out front on both files to 
help you align them.

Needless to say this is extremely tedious.

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On Aug 23, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Christopher Smith  
wrote:

> Theoretically, you can turn OFF HP, and then apply it to selected passages 
> using the Human Playback Plugin. In your case, you would apply it for a 
> passage until the measure you don’t want it, then apply it to the passage 
> starting AFTER the measure you didn’t want it. Finale doesn’t allow 
> discontiguous passages to be selected, so you have to do it this way. Make 
> sure you select the entire measure stack to apply the plugin.
> 
> I say “theoretically” because I have had bad luck with this. I don’t know why 
> it doesn’t work for me. I’ll try again once I have 2014 up and running. It’s 
> supposed to work when you have a piece switching from say, latin to swing. 
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 6:12 AM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>> 
>> How do I disable HP for specific measures and have it enabled for the whole 
>> score? Or vice-versa. Is it possible? Thank you.
>> Harold
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[Finale] HP "Processing Glissandi & Bends" with HP Style "Jazz"

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Has anyone observed the following behavior?

With HP set to "Standard", HP pre-playback processing takes a normal amount of 
time.

With HP set to "Jazz," HP seems to stall on "Processing Glissandi & Bends," 
taking up to 30 seconds to complete this step of the pre-playback processing, 
even on a relatively short piece?

Unchecking Interpret: Glissandi and Bends in the HP Custom Style dialog box has 
no effect.

FinMac2014d. (The file probably requires some smart shape glissandi and/or 
bends to trigger the issue.)

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Re: [Finale] Notes/rests in hidden layers still affect spacing

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Steve,

I do that already for, e.g., the drum set staff, but doing that for 18 
additional staves is a serious pain and causes a lot of workflow problems (as 
does having a separate file for the parts).

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On Aug 22, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> If you want to keep it all in the same file, you can duplicate the instrument 
> and stave and have one in one score for print and the other in another score 
> for playback.
> 
> Steve P.
> 
>> On 22 Aug 2015, at 10:57, Peter Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Darcy, presumably the hidden layer is for playback?  My way round this 
>> is to save separate files, one for playback and one for printing with the 
>> extra notation deleted.  (I also save a separate split file for extracting 
>> the parts, but that's another story).
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Darcy James Argue" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:26 PM
>> Subject: [Finale] Notes/rests in hidden layers still affect spacing
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to prevent notes and/or rests hidden with the Blank 
>>> Notation staff style from affecting music spacing? I have some fairly 
>>> dense notation in Layer 1, hidden with a staff style, and it's affecting 
>>> the spacing of Layer 4 (the visible layer).
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Notes/rests in hidden layers still affect spacing

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Jari,

Thanks! I discovered that I can also use the "Notes and Rest (Hide)" option to 
achieve a similar result but the JW Change plugin makes editing the hidden 
notes much easier. 

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On Aug 22, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Jari Williamsson 
 wrote:

> On 2015-08-21 22:26, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> 
>> It is already unchecked. Unfortunately, this option does not work entirely 
>> as advertised…
> 
> Hidden notes are note entries that are hidden, not hidden layers through 
> staff styles.
> 
> Hidden layers through staff styles can be used as spacing layers, so I 
> personally see this is a feature rather than a limitation.
> 
> Use...
> JW Change->Note Entries->Spacing->Don't Space
> ...for the entries in the layer you don't want to include in music 
> spacing. Then respace the region.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Notes/rests in hidden layers still affect spacing

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi John,

There are notes in Layer 1 in other staves that need to be taken into account 
for spacing.

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On Aug 21, 2015, at 6:13 PM, John Roberts  wrote:

> If you only want layer 4 to affect spacing, you can Apply "Show Active 
> Layer Only" and space in Layer 4. Layer 1 won't affect spacing, but then 
> neither will Layers 2 & 3. So this may not help.
> JR
> 
>  On 8/21/15 3:26 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is there a way to prevent notes and/or rests hidden with the Blank Notation 
>> staff style from affecting music spacing? I have some fairly dense notation 
>> in Layer 1, hidden with a staff style, and it's affecting the spacing of 
>> Layer 4 (the visible layer).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Notes/rests in hidden layers still affect spacing

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi David,

It is already unchecked. Unfortunately, this option does not work entirely as 
advertised…

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On Aug 21, 2015, at 3:41 PM, David H. Bailey  wrote:

> On 8/21/2015 3:26 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is there a way to prevent notes and/or rests hidden with the Blank Notation 
>> staff style from affecting music spacing? I have some fairly dense notation 
>> in Layer 1, hidden with a staff style, and it's affecting the spacing of 
>> Layer 4 (the visible layer).
>> 
> 
> 
> In the Document/DocumentOptions/MusicSpacing dialog there is a check box 
> labeled "Hidden Notes" in the top section labeled "Avoid Collisions:" -- 
> that is checked by default.
> 
> Perhaps unchecking that would solve the problem.  If it's already 
> unchecked, I don't have any further suggestion unfortunately.
> 
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[Finale] Notes/rests in hidden layers still affect spacing

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Is there a way to prevent notes and/or rests hidden with the Blank Notation 
staff style from affecting music spacing? I have some fairly dense notation in 
Layer 1, hidden with a staff style, and it's affecting the spacing of Layer 4 
(the visible layer).

Cheers,

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Re: [Finale] Windows Surface Pro 3/StaffPad Update

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Robert,

Thanks for the frank update. Your impressions match up with those of a 
colleague of mine, who had been quite enthusiastic about migrating from Mac OS 
X to a Windows-based machine, but ultimately ended up really regretting the 
move.

Should you opt for the repair and continue to use the device, I'd be curious 
whether having Windows 10 changes your impressions at all, and also whether you 
find Finale useable on the tablet.

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On Aug 15, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Robert Patterson  
wrote:

> As many of you know, I got a Windows Surface Pro 3 to try out StaffPad.
> Unfortunately it is (literally) a bust.
> 
> But first, the good. The handwriting recognition with the pen is fantastic.
> This is the one thing that Microsoft has gotten right on this device.
> Unfortunately everything else about it is wrong, and that includes the way
> the pen interacts with the rest of the OS. The only way to enter text with
> the pen is through the clumsy pop-up keyboard. If you have to use a pop-up
> keyboard, then why bother with a pen?
> 
> Apps that use the Metro interface work better than traditional apps. Using
> traditional apps can be excruciating if they aren't designed to adjust to
> the UI size settings. And many of them aren't.
> 
> As for Staffpad, it may be possible for someone to develop the magical
> looking facility one sees in the promo videos, but I doubt I ever will.
> With effort I can usually get it to recognize the notes on the staff, but
> rhythms involving more than one beam are basically impossible for me. My
> impression is they designed the interface around the writing style of one
> particular individual, and all other users are out of luck if they can't
> adopt that style. I don't seem to be able to. Even more frustrating is
> there is no way to see what the heck is confusing it. (There is a
> cumbersome UI that purports to do this one stroke at a time, but if it
> works I can't figure out how.) Pen-based music scoring may be the future,
> and StaffPad may point the way, but the future is not here yet.
> 
> The final nail in the coffin came today when I dropped the device. It
> didn't fall that hard, but the screen cracked anyway. So fine, the screen
> cracked. Perhaps I could live with it, but the entire touchscreen became
> completely unresponsive. Compare this with Apple devices where the screen
> can be so cracked you can't see through it, but the touch sensitivity still
> works.
> 
> Even worse, my only option for a "repair" is to exchange the device for a
> different one for a hefty $320. No screen repair available, and I have to
> send it off and be without a device for however long it takes. Compare that
> to booking a time at the Apple Store and having it repaired while you wait.
> 
> There are many other annoyances, like the trackpad on the keyboard that
> constantly activates links or buttons without having being pressed or the
> pen button that is hardwired to oneclick or the crapware that came
> installed with Windows 8. (I have since upgraded to Win10.) All in all,
> this experience has been an expensive but useful lesson that I must never
> think of going back to windows. I'm so glad I still have the trusty MacBook
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Re: [Finale] Spacing option for leger lines?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Robert,

In case you're taking requests — is there any way the plugin could 
automatically tighten the space between ledger lines on reduced-note size 
passages, like cues? Currently, Finale spaces cues as if they have full-sized 
ledger lines, which is obviously extremely tedious to correct manually.

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On Aug 1, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Robert Patterson  
wrote:

> Update: I've prototyped the leger line solution and it works perfectly in a
> plugin. No muss no fuss.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> 
>> Let me see if I can figure something out.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Steve: If you can figure out how to get Finale to do it, I may be able to
>>> automated it. What will happen with the leger lines (if it works) is that
>>> it will alter the leger line lengths "under the covers" run Finale's note
>>> spacing option, then revert the leger line lengths. My plugin uses Finale
>>> to do the note spacing: I could never reinvent that wheel.
>>> 
 On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Fiskum, Steve 
>> wrote:
 
 Sounds like a great solution. Any possibility of adding flagged notes,
 whether up stem or down stem to this plugin? I want to control the
>> distance
 between notes either + or - if the note has a flag. It would be the
 distance following the flagged note. This would mean not only distance
 between notes but also flag and barline. This would be a huge leap for
 music spacing along with ledger lines. My two most biggest issues with
 music spacing in its current form.
 
 Thanks,
 Steve
 
 
 
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> 
> jef's solution is perfect. (i tried it.) now if i can just bake it into
 my
> Note Spacing plugin it will be brainless and automatic.
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Fiskum, Steve 
 wrote:
>> 
>> Mark said, "Of course, this alters the distance between other items
 too."
>> 
>> This is THE problem Mark.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Mark Adler 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can change this is by altering "Minimum Distance Between Objects"
 in
>>> Doc. Opts. Of course, this alters the distance between other items
>> too,
>> so
>>> may not really be the best solution. Here are a couple of screen
>> shots,
>> one
>>> with the minimum distance set to 24 evpus and one set to 0 evpus.
>>> [image: Inline image 2][image: Inline image 1]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Robert Patterson 
>>> To: finale 
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 11:37:53 -0500
>>> Subject: [Finale] Spacing option for leger lines?
>>> Is there any way to control how much space Finale allots between
>> leger
>>> lines? The gap that it is currently leaving is too wide, and no
>> setting
>>> seems to change it. Obviously I could turn off leger lines in the
>> avoid
>>> collisions option, but then they...well…collide.
>>> <0 EVPU.png>
>>> <24 EVPU.png>
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Re: [Finale] Spacing option for leger lines?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Robert,

In case you're taking requests — is there any way the plugin could 
automatically tighten the space between ledger lines on reduced-note size 
passages, like cues? Currently, Finale spaces cues as if they have full-sized 
ledger lines, which is obviously extremely tedious to correct manually.

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On Aug 1, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Robert Patterson  
wrote:

> Update: I've prototyped the leger line solution and it works perfectly in a
> plugin. No muss no fuss.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> 
>> Let me see if I can figure something out.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Steve: If you can figure out how to get Finale to do it, I may be able to
>>> automated it. What will happen with the leger lines (if it works) is that
>>> it will alter the leger line lengths "under the covers" run Finale's note
>>> spacing option, then revert the leger line lengths. My plugin uses Finale
>>> to do the note spacing: I could never reinvent that wheel.
>>> 
 On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Fiskum, Steve 
>> wrote:
 
 Sounds like a great solution. Any possibility of adding flagged notes,
 whether up stem or down stem to this plugin? I want to control the
>> distance
 between notes either + or - if the note has a flag. It would be the
 distance following the flagged note. This would mean not only distance
 between notes but also flag and barline. This would be a huge leap for
 music spacing along with ledger lines. My two most biggest issues with
 music spacing in its current form.
 
 Thanks,
 Steve
 
 
 
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> 
> jef's solution is perfect. (i tried it.) now if i can just bake it into
 my
> Note Spacing plugin it will be brainless and automatic.
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Fiskum, Steve 
 wrote:
>> 
>> Mark said, "Of course, this alters the distance between other items
 too."
>> 
>> This is THE problem Mark.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Mark Adler 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can change this is by altering "Minimum Distance Between Objects"
 in
>>> Doc. Opts. Of course, this alters the distance between other items
>> too,
>> so
>>> may not really be the best solution. Here are a couple of screen
>> shots,
>> one
>>> with the minimum distance set to 24 evpus and one set to 0 evpus.
>>> [image: Inline image 2][image: Inline image 1]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Robert Patterson 
>>> To: finale 
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 11:37:53 -0500
>>> Subject: [Finale] Spacing option for leger lines?
>>> Is there any way to control how much space Finale allots between
>> leger
>>> lines? The gap that it is currently leaving is too wide, and no
>> setting
>>> seems to change it. Obviously I could turn off leger lines in the
>> avoid
>>> collisions option, but then they...well…collide.
>>> <0 EVPU.png>
>>> <24 EVPU.png>
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Re: [Finale] entering chords quickly !!

[Darcy James Argue]

I believe Martin is talking about entering chord symbols (not entering the 
notes themselves). 

Here are some helpful shortcuts for that:

http://www.finalemusic.com/usermanuals/finale2014win/Content/Finale/Chord_entry_tips.htm

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On Jul 30, 2015, at 7:30 AM, martin nickless  wrote:

> Hi there this is Martin Nickless from London I'm currently using Finale
> 2012 windows 7
> My question is what is the quickest way to enter changes into a score
> I use a midi keyboard and speedy entry for note entry
> But the particular problem I have is chords with altered extensions
> And poly chords
> Clicking on the chord dialog box is so slow
> Does anyone play the chord on a midi ?
> If so again if it's a 13 with all its altered extensions
> How do you do it ?
> Best
> Thanks
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Re: [Finale] pizzicato chords

[Darcy James Argue]

Human Playback style -> choose "Custom" from the drop-down menu and un-check 
"Strum Plucked String Chords." Or just use an HP style that does not have this 
box checked by default (like "Standard").

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On Jul 26, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Kenneth Moore  wrote:

> 
> 
> On  Sat, 25 Jul 2015 18:32:15 -0400,"David H. Bailey" 
>  wrote:
>> On 7/25/2015 3:38 PM, dr.a.s. weinstangel wrote:
>>> Is there a way of preventing Finale playback from arpeggio-ing all 
>>> pizzicato solo string chords?>Drives me banananas!
>> 
>> How else do they get played by human?
> One finger per string.  With a bit of preparation time I reckon I could 
> pluck all four strings of my upright bass pretty close to 
> simultaneously.  Strummed in quick succession is probably more usual on 
> the higher instruments on which four-part pizzicato chords sound OK, 
> which they don't, to my ear, on the bass, because in that register it's 
> not possible to finger a chord that is sufficiently spread.
>>   I'm curious about this -- is it
>> the speed of the arpeggiating in Finale's playback that you dislike? What
>> would you rather hear from a solo string playback?
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Re: [Finale] F2014 shape expression designer more instable than ever?

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On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:

> I use both. Finale 2014 I don’t think has crashed at all on me in months….if 
> ever.

I deeply envy you. On my setup, it crashes 100% of the time on quit and also at 
least 3 times per day.

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Re: [Finale] improving speed in F2014 (mac)?

[Darcy James Argue]

Dave,

I'd wager that had more to do with freeing up lots of additional disk space.

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On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dave Lang  wrote:

> fwiw the most dramatic speed increase in F2014 for me came after I removed 
> F2012 from my system.
> 
> I have no idea why, and can't guarantee that you'll have the same experience, 
> but that's what I found.
> 
> And by dramatic, I mean, dramatic.
> 
> (using MacBook Pro running OSX)
> 
> best of luck,
> dave
> 
> 
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
>> jef,
>> 
>> another option you could consider short of upgrading the entire machine is
>> replacing your system drive (and any other drive) with a solid state drive.
>> this is probably the single most effective speed upgrade you could make.
>> you get ones that are plug-compatible with the internal drives of most
>> machines made in the last 5 years or so.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Darcy James Argue 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jef,
>>> 
>>> In my experience, Finale is very unstable with MIDI Thru set to off. I set
>>> it to a Fixed channel that is not in use (like, channel 99, for example).
>>> 
>>> Probably won't help with performance but might help with stability.
>>> 
>>> Finale also seems to do best with a minimum of 30 GB of free HD space.
>>> When my drive starts filling up much more than that, the VM use causes
>>> Finale to really crawl.
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 10:57 AM, shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> is there anything that can be done to make F2014 faster (on yosemite)?
>>> i have a
>>>> big file that i find too slow, have tested it on a newer machine and of
>>> course
>>>> it is faster, so some of the problem is of course my HD.  but are there
>>> any
>>>> other things to be done to improve it?  i never use playback on these
>>> things.
>>>> so far i have done these:
>>>> 
>>>> - set human playback to "none"
>>>> - set audio/MIDI it to play through MIDI (not audio units)
>>>> - MIDI thru is off
>>>> - turned off "allow temporary score adjustments" in human playback prefs
>>>> - turned off auto layout update
>>>> - turned off auto music spacing
>>>> - unchecked "playback" in the speedy menu
>>>> 
>>>> rock on
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>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] improving speed in F2014 (mac)?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Jef,

In my experience, Finale is very unstable with MIDI Thru set to off. I set it 
to a Fixed channel that is not in use (like, channel 99, for example).

Probably won't help with performance but might help with stability.

Finale also seems to do best with a minimum of 30 GB of free HD space. When my 
drive starts filling up much more than that, the VM use causes Finale to really 
crawl.

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On Jul 9, 2015, at 10:57 AM, shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:

> 
> is there anything that can be done to make F2014 faster (on yosemite)?  i 
> have a
> big file that i find too slow, have tested it on a newer machine and of course
> it is faster, so some of the problem is of course my HD.  but are there any
> other things to be done to improve it?  i never use playback on these things.
> so far i have done these:
> 
> - set human playback to "none"
> - set audio/MIDI it to play through MIDI (not audio units)
> - MIDI thru is off
> - turned off "allow temporary score adjustments" in human playback prefs
> - turned off auto layout update
> - turned off auto music spacing
> - unchecked "playback" in the speedy menu
> 
> rock on
> jef
> 
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Re: [Finale] OT: Low end Surface Pro 3 with StaffPad

[Darcy James Argue]

Keep in mind the Surface 3 is actually a much newer machine than the Surface 3 
Pro — the Surface 3 Pro was released over a year ago, while the Surface 3 came 
out in May of this year. While the Pro machine has more raw power, the Surface 
3 has the benefit of an additional year's worth of R&D, which is a lifetime 
when it comes to these devices.

Also keep in mind that the Surface 4 Pro is expected in August.

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On Jul 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Craig Parmerlee  wrote:

> I went through this evaluation myself and ended up in a completely 
> different place than I expected.  I found a video out there where a guy 
> benchmarked the Surface 3 against the Surface 3 Pro running a bunch of 
> DAW configurations.  Both machines ran these power-hungry DAWs 
> surprisingly well.  The Pro could do more extreme stuff, but I don't 
> think you will ever see a meaningful difference when running StaffPad.
> 
> And ironically, the video seemed to actually recommend the cheaper 
> non-Pro model because the Pro model's CPU speed is unpredictable as 
> Intel keeps zapping it to give it a boost.  In heavy DAW applications, 
> you really want consistent performance, not necessarily the maximum peak 
> performance.
> 
> And the reviewer noticed a real oddity, which was that the sound levels 
> coming out of the built-in speakers were about twice as loud on the 
> cheaper non-Pro.  Go figure.  The reviewer surmised that there was 
> probably some setting he needed to adjust.  I took some MIDI files into 
> Best Buy and tried them on both machines and sure enough, the cheaper 
> non-pro was MUCH louder.  It wasn't close. The basic Surface 3 sounded a 
> lot louder and a lot better.
> 
> Obviously the Pro has a larger display.  For me, that larger display 
> makes it a little less "pad-like" so to speak.  If you are going to be 
> working a lot with StaffPad on scores where the display space is really 
> important, they I guess the Pro might be worth something, but I couldn't 
> see spending the extra bucks for a machine that, to me was LESS functional.
> 
> I would definitely NOT recommend the 64GB.  That doesn't leave very much 
> room for OS and apps.  If you really think you will never do much more 
> than use StaffPad, then 64GB is OK.  But I would look seriously at 128GB.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/5/2015 2:53 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>> For those of you out there using StaffPad, is the low-end Surface Pro 3 (i3
>> 64GB model) powerful enough to run StaffPad. My main interest in it is as a
>> music reader and for StaffPad.
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Re: [Finale] Line

[Darcy James Argue]

The only rubato indication that's needed is "listen to the original recording."

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On Jul 3, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Michael  wrote:

> That is a very strange way to transcribe the rhythm. I can’t see any logical 
> reason for the brackets you mention: I’d just ignore them.
> 
> I’d be very interested to see your final version of this. How are you going 
> to approach the notation of the rhythms? Put it all in 4/4 and give detailed 
> rubato indications?
> 
> Greetings,
> Michael
> 
>> On 2 Jul 2015, at 22:34, Barbara Touburg  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2-7-2015 22:26, Chuck Israels wrote:
>>> Hi Barbara,
>>> 
>>> Can you send me a photo of the score - something that might show the 
>>> surrounding context?  Then I might be able to figure out what the bracket 
>>> indicates.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Line

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This is a dismayingly wrong-headed, over-literal transcription.

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On Jul 2, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:

> On 2-7-2015 22:26, Chuck Israels wrote:
>> Hi Barbara,
>> 
>> Can you send me a photo of the score - something that might show the 
>> surrounding context?  Then I might be able to figure out what the bracket 
>> indicates.
>> 
>> Chuck
> 
> 
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[Finale] Audio tracks and tempo alterations

[Darcy James Argue]

Hello,

It seems that when you add an audio track to Finale and then attempt to change 
the tempo by using or modifying a tempo change expression, no change occurs. 
You have to delete the audio track and then re-load it for the tempo changes to 
take effect. Am I doing something wrong, or is this a documented bug?

Fin2014d Mac

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Re: [Finale] Hide ties

[Darcy James Argue]

Long glissandos — especially those that pass through stems without noteheads — 
often require ties for playback so that the note doesn't reattack.

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On Jun 27, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Lawrence Yates  wrote:

> I imply no criticism, but just out of interest, why would you want to hide
> a tie?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> 
>> 
>>> What's the easiest way to hide a tie? (Other than duplicating the
>> notation without ties in another layer and hiding the playback layer, which
>> is what I normally have to resort to.)
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Hide ties

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Actually, on investigation: using a Staff Style to hide ties also hides the 
note(s) attached to the tie end(s).

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On Jun 27, 2015, at 5:13 PM, John Blane  wrote:

> Hi Darcy -
> 
> You can create a staff style to hide the tie - not sure if that's the easiest 
> way…
> 
> JB
> 
> 
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> On Jun 27, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
> 
>> What's the easiest way to hide a tie? (Other than duplicating the notation 
>> without ties in another layer and hiding the playback layer, which is what I 
>> normally have to resort to.)
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Hide ties

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Hi John,

You totally can. I should have thought of that!

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On Jun 27, 2015, at 5:13 PM, John Blane  wrote:

> Hi Darcy -
> 
> You can create a staff style to hide the tie - not sure if that's the easiest 
> way…
> 
> JB
> 
> 
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> On Jun 27, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
> 
>> What's the easiest way to hide a tie? (Other than duplicating the notation 
>> without ties in another layer and hiding the playback layer, which is what I 
>> normally have to resort to.)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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[Finale] Hide ties

[Darcy James Argue]

What's the easiest way to hide a tie? (Other than duplicating the notation 
without ties in another layer and hiding the playback layer, which is what I 
normally have to resort to.)

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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

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Hi Jim,

#4 or #11 is the standard way of writing this harmony. In jazz, 7(#11) chords 
often include a natural fifth, so "b5" is not accurate.

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On Jun 18, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Williams, Jim  
wrote:

> Maybe it was supposed to be b5 or #4. b5 makes more sense to me than #4 in 
> the context of a dominant 7th chord.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 1:34 PM, "cr...@parmerlee.com"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dumb question here: isn't the flat 4th a D Natural which is already in the 
>> chord?
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Bb7b4
>> From: "j...@thomastudios.com" 
>> Date: Jun 18, 2015 1:04 PM
>> To: finale@shsu.edu
>> CC: 
>> 
>> You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 
>> 4, and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you 
>> want.J D ThomasThomaStudios> On Jun 18, 2015, at 
>> 9:58 AM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:> > Hello 
>> all,> > I need to input a Bb chord with a 7b4 chord suffix, but 
>> Finale doesn't > recognise the second b character as a flat. Any 
>> advice? Thanks!> > Barbara> 
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Darcy James Argue]

"Bb7b4" is not a standard chord symbol. A "flatted fourth" would be identical 
to a major third, which is already in the chord. 

Did you mean "Bb7#4"? If so, that would more typically be written with the 
alteration bracketed by parentheses: "Bb7(#4)".

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On Jun 18, 2015, at 1:03 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:

> You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 4, 
> and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you want.
> 
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I need to input a Bb chord with a 7b4 chord suffix, but Finale doesn't 
>> recognise the second b character as a flat. Any advice? Thanks!
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Playback in Speedy

[Darcy James Argue]

MIDI Thru -> Fixed Channel -> [the channel your piano sound is on]

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On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:12 PM, GERALD BERG  wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Sometimes I prefer a piano sound while in Speedy entry mode and  'written' 
> instrument only for when I hit the Spacebar for Playback. Let's say violin 
> for the written instrument.
> Right now while in Speedy entry mode,  inside of the Speedy window frame,  as 
> I manually change a note the violin plays.   I just want plain old piano.
> Is there  a way to accomplish this and still keep the Spacebar for Playback 
> on violin?
> Thanks in advance. GJB
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Re: [Finale] Disable fp's in Human Playback

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Chuck,

Yes. In HP Preferences > Inst. Techniques > Garritan: Jazz, Big Band & Marching 
Band, change all the mute techniques to "Custom Text" and set filter to "For 
Text Expressions Containing" then enter "Harmon" (or whatever).

(Make sure you attach these HP preferences to your Document Style file or your 
template, otherwise you'll have to do this every time.)

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On Jun 6, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:

> Thanks, Darcy,
> 
> I’ll try that.  Have you gotten HP to recognize brass mute changes in 2014? 
> 
> If it’s not too fussy, I’d like to get that to work.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chuck,
>> 
>> I just realized, after asking the question, that if I change the "Playback 
>> Effect" from "None" to something defined but harmless — like "Transposition 
>> > Set To Value = 0" — then HP will ignore the expression.
>> 
>> YMMV but for me this removes my single biggest frustration with Fin2014 
>> playback. Wish I'd thought of it a long time ago!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>>> PITA, but I just live with it.  Strange thing is that the silencing effect 
>>> is somewhat irregular in that it affects some staves/instruments 
>>> differently.  The sound of one instrument sometimes comes back a little 
>>> after the silencing effect.  Anyway, I’d gladly turn it off, if anyone does 
>>> know a way.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> As many of you know, the "fp" expression is broken in Finale 2014 Human 
>>>> Playback — it essentially results in the note being all but silenced.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know if there is any way to edit the HP dictionary so that 
>>>> "fp" is removed, or otherwise preventing the expression from having any HP 
>>>> effect? I'd much rather it do nothing than do what it does.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Disable fp's in Human Playback

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Chuck,

I just realized, after asking the question, that if I change the "Playback 
Effect" from "None" to something defined but harmless — like "Transposition > 
Set To Value = 0" — then HP will ignore the expression.

YMMV but for me this removes my single biggest frustration with Fin2014 
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On Jun 6, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:

> PITA, but I just live with it.  Strange thing is that the silencing effect is 
> somewhat irregular in that it affects some staves/instruments differently.  
> The sound of one instrument sometimes comes back a little after the silencing 
> effect.  Anyway, I’d gladly turn it off, if anyone does know a way.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As many of you know, the "fp" expression is broken in Finale 2014 Human 
>> Playback — it essentially results in the note being all but silenced.
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there is any way to edit the HP dictionary so that "fp" 
>> is removed, or otherwise preventing the expression from having any HP 
>> effect? I'd much rather it do nothing than do what it does.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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[Finale] Disable fp's in Human Playback

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

As many of you know, the "fp" expression is broken in Finale 2014 Human 
Playback — it essentially results in the note being all but silenced.

Does anyone know if there is any way to edit the HP dictionary so that "fp" is 
removed, or otherwise preventing the expression from having any HP effect? I'd 
much rather it do nothing than do what it does.

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Re: [Finale] Piano concert May 30

[Darcy James Argue]

Congrats, good sir!

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On May 21, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz  
wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Finale-related only because all the scores are now in that format! A concert
> celebrating my 50th year as a composer is happening in Montpelier, Vermont, on
> the evening of May 30. If any of you are in the area, please come!
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Dynamic changes

[Darcy James Argue]

Jan,

I have never gotten this feature to work. Is there some additional trick?

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On May 16, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Jan Angermüller  wrote:

> When you switch to the "Playback" tab In the Expression Designer, you 
> can set the expression to "Play Only on Pass:".
> 
> Jan
> 
> Am 17.05.2015 um 00:03 schrieb dershem:
>> OK - here's one I haven't run across before.
>> Doing a piece where on the first time through a repeated section, the
>> dynamic is P and the second time F.  Marking it is easy enough, but ..
>> playback?
>> Any experience with this?  Any ideas?
>> 
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Re: [Finale] playback transposition

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Ryan,

If your keyboard has a pitch bend wheel, move it all the way up or down and 
then let it return to zero. (Not sure what causes this glitch, but when it 
happens to me, this is a quick enough solution.)

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On May 17, 2015, at 4:37 AM, Ryan  wrote:

> Finale is playing back transposed pitches when I enter notes in speedy
> entry. It's happening in one instrument now (bass), but happened earlier in
> piano, too.
> 
> FinMac 12c. OS X 10.8.5
> Garritan Instruments
> 
> I can solve it by opening the score manager and switching that instrument
> to SoftSynth and back again.
> 
> Any idea what causes this? It's a real pain when I'm trying to play back a
> section for note checks!
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Re: [Finale] Dynamic changes

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Make a separate file for playback.

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On May 16, 2015, at 6:03 PM, dershem  wrote:

> OK - here's one I haven't run across before.
> Doing a piece where on the first time through a repeated section, the 
> dynamic is P and the second time F.  Marking it is easy enough, but .. 
> playback?
> Any experience with this?  Any ideas?
> 
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Re: [Finale] StaffPad has released a great update! (lengthy update to my previous review)

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Craig,

I think you will find a lot of people on this list who disagree with you about 
the desirability of "capturing that last 1% of engraving sophistication." 
(Starting with whether it is actually 1% or more like 10% or more.) To give but 
one example, having an application that could apply something like Patterson 
Beams by default, without having to invoke a plug-in, would be hugely 
attractive to me and to a great many other people.

The fact is that the quality of music notation generated by the average user of 
Finale or Sibelius is still extremely poor. Having music notation software that 
was designed from the ground up to quietly guide the novice user towards more 
professional-looking results, while also allowing experienced engravers room to 
customize, would be incredibly advantageous.

I've had the opportunity to try StaffPad briefly, and while I agree it is 
extremely impressive, it's not remotely an engraving tool. It's an input tool. 
It certainly meets the needs of lots of people who only require an input tool. 
But IMO there is still plenty of room in the market for a serious engraving 
tool. At least, I hope there is!

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> On 5/9/2015 9:26 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
>> Please excuse the cross posting and apologies to those who will receive
>> this update to my previous StaffPad review multiple times.
>> 
>> I know that for users of Sibelius and Finale, regular updates of the
>> software are very important and in recent years have been less than
>> overwhelming as corporate politics and financial problems have gotten in
>> the way of offering real improvements to the software.
> 
> Thanks for these updates.  The speed of their execution is most impressive.
> 
> Several days ago, I listened to this extensive interview with Daniel 
> Spreadbury.
> https://youtu.be/VBhPyTNkXKI
> 
> My take-aways were:
> 
> 1) This effort is still years from producing a commercial product.  They 
> don't have much of a GUI at present, for example.
> 
> 2) The Steinberg team seems totally obsessed with the finest intricacies 
> of extreme engraving, and doesn't seem to care nearly as much about 
> things like improved playback and integration with the rest of the 
> modern musician's workflow.
> 
> I have nothing against somebody trying to reach the karma of engraving, 
> but I must admit I don't find that of much practical use.  Some of their 
> ideas would be broadly usable, such as more of a rules-based approach to 
> how rhythms are notated.  But I was left with a feeling that this is an 
> enormous amount of effort to put into a program that endeavors to 
> capture that "last 1 percent of engraving sophistication".  I would have 
> thought there are very few people in the world that would be heavily 
> motivated by that last 1% -- probably fewer than 1000 copyists.
> 
> Of course, if the Steinberg program advances notation that last 1% AND 
> also does many other things better, then it will be of interest.  But it 
> is hard for me to reconcile the scope of the Steinberg effort with the 
> very impressive delivery of Staffpad function by what appears to be a 
> much smaller team over a much shorter time period.
> 
> I realize these are apples and oranges, but nonetheless, Staffpad is the 
> most impressive thing I have seen in the field in a decade.
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Re: [Finale] 8vab

[Darcy James Argue]

Scroll view.

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On May 5, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:

> Next question: how do I create an 8vab-line that spans more than two 
> pages? Finale keeps snapping the endpoint to a spot where I dont't want 
> it. I can drag it futher to the right, but the snap point stays where it 
> is. I can't find anything in the help files.
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Re: [Finale] Copying "extra space" settings within a part?

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Hi Steve,

"Once you add it to the beginning/end of a measure in one part, it will be in 
all parts and the score."

That is not actually true, Steve. It is perfectly possible to have different 
extra space settings in score vs. parts. However, that is not the problem I'm 
having.

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On May 5, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:

> Hello Darcy,
> 
> To my knowledge this has never worked. This issue is one of the main
> reasons I can't use linked parts. I use those settings all the time. It's
> a universal setting. Once you add it to the beginning/end of a measure in
> one part, it will be in all parts and the score.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> On 5/5/15 1:42 PM, "Darcy James Argue"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is there a plugin that allows you to copy the "extra space at
>> beginning/end" settings from one measure of a part to another? Finale's
>> filter doesn't work on linked parts, and the Mass Copy plugin does not
>> appear to allow this either (unless I'm missing something)?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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[Finale] Copying "extra space" settings within a part?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Is there a plugin that allows you to copy the "extra space at beginning/end" 
settings from one measure of a part to another? Finale's filter doesn't work on 
linked parts, and the Mass Copy plugin does not appear to allow this either 
(unless I'm missing something)?

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[Finale] Pop at end of audio file

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

FinMac2014 —when placing an audio track in Finale, the clip always pops at the 
end of the audio, even when the audio is nicely faded out. 

Anyone seeing this? Anyone have a solution?

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Re: [Finale] Copy problem

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Hi Stephen,

Thanks! Great, great tip.

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On Apr 29, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Stephen Lamb  wrote:

> Hi Barbara,
> 
> I've come across this bug before. Finale doesn't like copying hidden tuplets, 
> for some reason. The solution is to create a staff view of each single staff 
> that you need to copy, make sure "stack selection" is checked when copying, 
> and then paste into the desired staff.
> 
> Stephen Lamb - Nashville, TN
> jstephenl...@jslweb.com
> www.stephenlambmusic.com
> 
> 
> On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:00 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
>> From: Barbara Touburg 
>> Subject: [Finale] Copy problem
>> Date: April 29, 2015 10:20:46 AM CDT
>> To: "Finale @ SHSU" 
>> Reply-To: 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello list,
>> 
>> I'm engraving a piece of music for percussion, five staves.
>> There are four voices per staff. The voices play a complicated, interwoven 
>> rhythm together. The rhythm is the same for all bars and all staves, only 
>> the notes and rests vary per bar.
>> Using the digits 1 to 4 as notes in the four voices and (1) to as the rests 
>> (notes and rests all 16ths), the first bar goes:
>> (22/16) 1 (2) 3 4 1 2 (2) 3 4 1 (2) 2 3 (1) 4 1 2 (2) (3) 3 (4) (4)
>> I try to put the notes and rest in their proper place with hidden tuplets. 
>> They look like 16ths, beamed together to show the separate voices.
>> I hope you can follow this discription.
>> Now, I thought I would be smart to notate this rhythm only 1 time and then 
>> copy it to the right and down, but here is the problem.
>> Copying it to the next bars goes fine, but when I copy it down to the next 
>> staff, Finale throws away the hidden tuplets and notates the music as the 
>> real note values instead of the sixteens with the hidden tuplets.
>> I'm suspecting it has something to do with the quantisation settings, but I 
>> don't know what. Can someone help me? Thanks!
>> 
>> Barbara
>> NL
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Re: [Finale] Darcy Argue 2015 Guggenheim Fellow

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Hello all,

Thank you so much everyone for your very kind words! It's an unbelievable 
honor, obviously, and I will endeavor to be worthy of it.

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> It is a great honor personally for Darcy, and also a big "win" for new 
> music that is innovative and thoughtful.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/9/2015 11:31 PM, David Froom wrote:
>> I just heard that Darcy has been named a Guggenheim fellow for 2015. 
>> Congratulations to him! Nice when some recognition (and a bit of money) 
>> comes to the people who are doing really good music.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] StaffPad (for Windows Surface Pro 3)

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On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:35 PM, David H. Bailey  wrote:

> I don't see any reason for anybody to run out and buy a SurfacePro3
> simply to run this software -- once you buy the SurfacePro3, install
> Finale or Sibelius and use that since they run just fine on the
> SurfacePro3.  But if you want software which actually allows pen entry
> and you prefer writing the original thoughts down with a pen, this is a
> wonderful app.

Hi David,

Of course any serious user would not be giving up Finale or Sibelius. But 
having the pen-entry front end on a tablet is, for me, the exciting part. I 
know I could also just do the note entry directly into Finale on a Surface Pro, 
but realistically that also requires a keyboard, a numberpad, and a MIDI 
keyboard, whereas StaffPad requires none of those things.

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Re: [Finale] StaffPad (for Windows Surface Pro 3)

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On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:20 PM, timothy price  wrote:

> Aren't the files produced with Staffpad compatible with Finale on a Mac.  Am 
> sure they are.

Of course, but that would require a separate device. The whole appeal of this 
(for me at least) is that everything lives in the same lightweight tablet, on 
which you could run StaffPad and Finale simultaneously.

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Re: [Finale] StaffPad (for Windows Surface Pro 3)

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Hi Robert,

It's true I am a lifelong Mac user (since the 1984 Macintosh!) but I'll admit 
that the idea that I could take a tablet that's as powerful as my current 
laptop, plunk it on the music stand of any piano, write music directly 
on-screen with a pen, and then easily bounce that output to Finale — running on 
the same device — is pretty appealing.

Currently, when I'm on the road, I have to haul around a backpack with my 
laptop, a 2-octave MIDI keyboard, a bunch of cables and chargers, etc. I 
usually have access to a room with a piano, but then I've also got to have a 
desk or table where I can set up my laptop and MIDI keyboard and phone (used as 
a numeric keypad)… plus a nearby power source because my laptop's battery 
doesn't hold a charge well anymore — it takes a little while to set everything 
up, and then pack it up again when I'm done. I'm always going back and forth 
between using the piano to try out ideas, then inputting notes into Finale 
using the MIDI keyboard (sometimes awkwardly if there's a lot of 
octave-shifting), the numeric keypad app on my phone is always losing 
connectivity, and so on… it's a slow and cumbersome way to write.

If there was a way I could instead just sit down at any piano and reach into my 
bag and pull out a slim tablet computer with a stylus and just start writing… 
in a format that imports easily into Finale… that honestly sounds like a minor 
miracle to me.

In all honestly, I will probably wait and see what Windows 10 is like before 
deciding. Obviously it would be a huge, disruptive switch, and I'd want to go 
into it with both eyes open. But replacing my aging MacBook Pro with a high-end 
Surface Pro tablet is not out of the question.

Cheers,

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On Apr 7, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Robert Patterson  
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> I got interested in StaffPad
> 
> after Darcy posted about it a few days ago. The more I read, the more
> impressed I become. The very fact that an apparently committed Mac user
> like Darcy is interested in a Windows-only platform makes it that much more
> intriguing.
> 
> I am curious if anyone on the list has any experience with it.
> Specifically, how well does it handle meter changes or even passages
> without meter?
> 
> If I end up getting it, I'll almost certainly be using it as a front-end
> for Finale through its Music XML export feature.
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Re: [Finale] Fin2014 — custom smart lines attach to beats?

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Hi Robert,

There (sort of) is — if you're willing to sacrifice the default Glissando, 
Guitar Bend, and/or Tab Slide, you can opt-click on any of them and replace 
with your own custom line instead, and it will be note-attached.

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On Apr 6, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Robert Patterson  
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> If there were a way to have custom lines be note-attached, I'd want to know
> about it! But I'm glad you figured it out.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Darcy James Argue 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Robert,
>> 
>> Thanks. I realized what was going on — my macro was misaligned, and
>> simulating an opt-click on the Tab Slide tool instead of the Custom Line
>> Tool!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> - DJA
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>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Robert Patterson 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not able to reproduce this behavior in MacFin14d. What I did:
>>> 
>>> 1. New a default doc
>>> 2. Open the Custom Line Dialog.
>>> 3. Hit Create
>>> 4. Hit Okay.
>>> 
>>> When I assign the new shape it is beat attached, not note attached.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Darcy James Argue 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> As of Finale 2014, newly created custom smart lines default to attaching
>>>> to noteheads. Is there a way to force them to attach to beats instead?
>> It
>>>> seems that only the pre-defined smart shapes are capable of being
>>>> beat-attached?
>>>> 
>>>> Also (perhaps related): custom smart lines do not seem to copy even when
>>>> both types of Smart Shapes are selected in the Filter.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Fin2014 — custom smart lines attach to beats?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Robert,

Thanks. I realized what was going on — my macro was misaligned, and simulating 
an opt-click on the Tab Slide tool instead of the Custom Line Tool!

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On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Robert Patterson  
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> I'm not able to reproduce this behavior in MacFin14d. What I did:
> 
> 1. New a default doc
> 2. Open the Custom Line Dialog.
> 3. Hit Create
> 4. Hit Okay.
> 
> When I assign the new shape it is beat attached, not note attached.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Darcy James Argue 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As of Finale 2014, newly created custom smart lines default to attaching
>> to noteheads. Is there a way to force them to attach to beats instead? It
>> seems that only the pre-defined smart shapes are capable of being
>> beat-attached?
>> 
>> Also (perhaps related): custom smart lines do not seem to copy even when
>> both types of Smart Shapes are selected in the Filter.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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[Finale] Fin2014 — custom smart lines attach to beats?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

As of Finale 2014, newly created custom smart lines default to attaching to 
noteheads. Is there a way to force them to attach to beats instead? It seems 
that only the pre-defined smart shapes are capable of being beat-attached?

Also (perhaps related): custom smart lines do not seem to copy even when both 
types of Smart Shapes are selected in the Filter.

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Re: [Finale] "Change Instrument" in FinMac2014?

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Hi Craig,

You should certainly be using the Change Instrument feature. For starters, it 
greatly simplifies part creation, and allows for mid-system instrument changes. 
There is this one playback issue I described (which I don't recall being a 
problem prior to Finale 2014) but certainly the benefits FAR, FAR outweigh this 
one particular drawback.

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:37 PM, Craig Parmerlee  wrote:

> Sorry I can't help because I don't use Mac.
> 
> But this raises a question for me.  I wasn't aware of this Change 
> Instrument feature.  Whenever I have had a player with doubles, I have 
> set up a staff for each instrument, put them all together in manage 
> parts, then use Hide Empty Staves so that there is only one staff on the 
> part.  That is straightforward and has always worked fine for me.
> 
> My question is whether this Change Instruments feature is significantly 
> easier (assuming it all works correctly).
> 
> I guess the Change Instrument approach would end up with fewer 
> instruments in the score, which would be a benefit.
> 
> Basically this is a question of what is the best practice.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/5/2015 12:27 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>> I should clarify that I mean "use the Change Instrument feature to create an 
>> instrument change mid-piece," rather than selecting the entire staff and 
>> changing the instrument for the entire duration.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Can anyone else confirm that if you use the "Change Instrument" feature in 
>>> Finale 2014 to switch to an instrument double, the new instrument does not 
>>> respond to any dynamics or hairpins? (N.B. I have Human Playback on and am 
>>> using Garritan instruments.)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] "Change Instrument" in FinMac2014?

[Darcy James Argue]

I should clarify that I mean "use the Change Instrument feature to create an 
instrument change mid-piece," rather than selecting the entire staff and 
changing the instrument for the entire duration.

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone else confirm that if you use the "Change Instrument" feature in 
> Finale 2014 to switch to an instrument double, the new instrument does not 
> respond to any dynamics or hairpins? (N.B. I have Human Playback on and am 
> using Garritan instruments.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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[Finale] "Change Instrument" in FinMac2014?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Can anyone else confirm that if you use the "Change Instrument" feature in 
Finale 2014 to switch to an instrument double, the new instrument does not 
respond to any dynamics or hairpins? (N.B. I have Human Playback on and am 
using Garritan instruments.)

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Re: [Finale] WinFin on Surface Pro 3

[Darcy James Argue]

Also, one small point — the Atom x7-Z8700 processor used in the Surface 3 
(non-pro) is actually quad-core, not single-core (though in any case it's not 
going to perform as well as an i5).

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On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:33 AM, David H. Bailey  wrote:

> On 4/1/2015 12:21 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Has anyone been running Finale for Windows on the Surface Pro 3 tablet, and 
>> if so… how's that been going for you?
>> 
>> Also, any prognostication on how Fin2014 would perform on the just-announced 
>> Surface 3 (non-pro)?
>> 
> 
> 
> I haven't done a lot with it on my SurfacePro3 (i5 processor, 128GB 
> storage) but I've used Fin2014 some.  It works just fine.  I've used 
> Sibelius7.1 on it a lot more and except for the small fonts for the 
> menu/ribbon items it's a terrific portable replacement for my main 
> computer.  Be forewarned however that there is only 1 USB port, so in 
> order to take advantage of multiple input devices such as a midi 
> keyboard and a USB numpad (I haven't found a decent bluetooth keyboard 
> which has a numpad on it, and bluetooth numpads are very expensive) you 
> need a small USB hub.  And the USB port on the SurfacePro3 is 
> underpowered (to save battery life) so running external hard drives 
> needs a powered USB hub unless you have a hard drive which has its own 
> battery power.
> 
> Everything I've read leads me to think the new version *might* run 
> Finale just as well as the Pro version but also it might not.  The Atom 
> chip is a single-core processor so Finale might get interrupted when the 
> cpu handles other functions such as polling the ports or if you're 
> running a browser in the background.
> 
> I love the screen size and am using the program MusicReader as my 
> electronic music stand, in addition to using the SurfacePro as my travel 
> computer.  It runs Office just fine, it runs WordPerfect just fine, it 
> runs Band-in-a-Box just fine.
> 
> My suggestion is to bite the bullet and buy the Pro version -- I just 
> read a review of the new Surface which compared it to a netbook only 
> better and suggests it might be better than the full-fledged notebooks 
> in the same price range.  But I would never try to run high-powered 
> programs like Finale or Sibelius on a netbook nor would I buy a $400 
> laptop for it either.
> 
> But that's just my opinions and experience -- others may differ.
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] WinFin on Surface Pro 3

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi David,

Thanks, this is all extremely helpful!

Also, since you are Surface Pro user, I assume you've heard about StaffPad? 
Looks like a very interesting new pen-based notation product, especially for 
times where I'm away from my home MIDI keyboard setup.

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/staffpad-is-a-music-handwriting-app/

Cheers,

- DJA
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On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:33 AM, David H. Bailey  wrote:

> On 4/1/2015 12:21 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Has anyone been running Finale for Windows on the Surface Pro 3 tablet, and 
>> if so… how's that been going for you?
>> 
>> Also, any prognostication on how Fin2014 would perform on the just-announced 
>> Surface 3 (non-pro)?
>> 
> 
> 
> I haven't done a lot with it on my SurfacePro3 (i5 processor, 128GB 
> storage) but I've used Fin2014 some.  It works just fine.  I've used 
> Sibelius7.1 on it a lot more and except for the small fonts for the 
> menu/ribbon items it's a terrific portable replacement for my main 
> computer.  Be forewarned however that there is only 1 USB port, so in 
> order to take advantage of multiple input devices such as a midi 
> keyboard and a USB numpad (I haven't found a decent bluetooth keyboard 
> which has a numpad on it, and bluetooth numpads are very expensive) you 
> need a small USB hub.  And the USB port on the SurfacePro3 is 
> underpowered (to save battery life) so running external hard drives 
> needs a powered USB hub unless you have a hard drive which has its own 
> battery power.
> 
> Everything I've read leads me to think the new version *might* run 
> Finale just as well as the Pro version but also it might not.  The Atom 
> chip is a single-core processor so Finale might get interrupted when the 
> cpu handles other functions such as polling the ports or if you're 
> running a browser in the background.
> 
> I love the screen size and am using the program MusicReader as my 
> electronic music stand, in addition to using the SurfacePro as my travel 
> computer.  It runs Office just fine, it runs WordPerfect just fine, it 
> runs Band-in-a-Box just fine.
> 
> My suggestion is to bite the bullet and buy the Pro version -- I just 
> read a review of the new Surface which compared it to a netbook only 
> better and suggests it might be better than the full-fledged notebooks 
> in the same price range.  But I would never try to run high-powered 
> programs like Finale or Sibelius on a netbook nor would I buy a $400 
> laptop for it either.
> 
> But that's just my opinions and experience -- others may differ.
> 
> 
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> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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[Finale] WinFin on Surface Pro 3

[Darcy James Argue]

Hello all,

Has anyone been running Finale for Windows on the Surface Pro 3 tablet, and if 
so… how's that been going for you?

Also, any prognostication on how Fin2014 would perform on the just-announced 
Surface 3 (non-pro)?

Cheers,

- DJA
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Re: [Finale] Does anybody think MM will ever fix the F2014 HP problems?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

I'm actually wondering whether anyone has any solutions to the fp problem in 
Fin2014, which is actually becoming a real problem for me. 

The "Set Rhythmic Feel to 0%" workaround is okay for the note-cutout problem, 
but the only solution I know to the almost-silent fp's is to put the notation 
in a layer set to not play back, then enter the music in a hidden layer with no 
fp's.

Cheers,

- DJA
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On Mar 26, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Craig Parmerlee  wrote:

> There are all sorts of problems introduced in F2014 in the area of HP:
> 
> - fp no longer works correctly
> 
> - Scoops and falls almost never work right now
> 
> - Often note-off comes AFTER note-on of the following note, causing the 
> second note to be chopped short or not sound at all.
> 
> None of these things happened to me at 2012.  Many people have had these 
> problems, but the company seems to have no interest in correcting any 
> bugs (or no ability to do so), even these high-impact, pervasive things.
> 
> Anybody placing any odds on whether we will ever see any fixes at the 
> 2014 level?
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