Mares milk
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/4/03 1:00:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I know the mare milk people in Norway - so far there are three of them. They > all use fjords! I've tasted fjord milk, too. Unusual, but good. > > Hi, I actually stumbled across a program on TV while channel surfing, I think it may have been PBS, that was running a story about one of these places. Didn't think to write down the name. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
Re: looking for fjord mares to buy
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Johana, how interesting. Could you tell me how you would get such a specific grant? Just for three fjord mares? Sounds like straight from fjord heaven? I wish you much luck and be sure to use the list for verification of the mares offered. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946-49 $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
looking for fjord mares to buy
This message is from: Johna Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would like to introduce myself, admitting that I have been lurking on this list since February. I saw my first fjord horse at a show about two years ago. I was so charmed that I wanted to learn more about this beautiful breed. I am the director of a residential treatment program for 40 adolescent boys and girls in South Dakota. We have used horses in a pet-facilitated therapeutic component for many years. We have worked with whatever horses have been donated to our program, or grade horses that we could purchase very reasonably. Thus, to make a generalization, most of the horses we work with are old, or do not have the needed training or patience or energy to work therapeutically with children. When I began to learn about the fjords, it became apparent to me that fjords could make wonderful therapy horses. Unfortunately I also learned that they are not inexpensive. So I have been working to figure out how to secure well trained fjords to work with our children. To make a long story short, I was just notified that I will receive a grant to purchase three fjord mares. Therefore I am looking for well-trained (to ride and drive), people-oriented mares. My preference is for mares that are proven or currently bred for summer foals. I am looking for mares that are gentle, have good breeding, have been evaluated and registered with the NFHR. I really enjoy this list, as I have learned so much just by lurking. So thanks to everyone for all the fascinating reading. And if any readers of this post have information about fjords for sale that may be of interest for me, I would appreciate a private email response. Johna Nielsen Woodfield Center Beresford, South Dakota [EMAIL PROTECTED] Confidentiality Notice: This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential and privileged information which is legally protected. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information by you is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender by email, and destroy all copies of this communication and any attachments.
2 3yo Mares for Sale in Central Arkansas
This message is from: Lori Lemley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2 3-year-old brown dun mares, NFHR registered, I think both are sired by Danser in Colorado. Both are gentle and have had some ground work, but I don't think they have been ridden yet. They are good buddies and should drive well as a pair, but could sell separately. Their owner regrets having to part with them (her husband died recently), and is asking $2500 for each. I would like to see them stay in Arkansas, and would buy them myself if my own Fjord mare weren't already pregnant, but their owner would like to find them a new home before winter, so if you are interested, please contact me and I'll refer you to their owner. Thank you, Lori Lemley Little Rock, Arkansas 501-470-0967 home 501-412-8128 cel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mares for Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, We have two mares available for sale. We are doing some major downsizing due to my work with the UEF. http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=2146&HorseName=FC%20Gwendellin&Page=1&Sort=0";>FC GWENDELLIN PDC-K-1227-M 6 year old white dun mare out of Lin and by Modellin. 14.1 Gwen is professionally trained to ride and drive, handles beautifully, has an amazing presence. She had a gorgeous foal last spring, and is currently bred for a fall foal. $8500. http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=4848&HorseName=Renate&Page=1&Sort=0";>RENATE 2348-B GB-H-1601-M Out of Seira and by Holtar. 9 year old brown dun mare. 13.3 Renate has had fundamental training under saddle and with ground driving, although used primarily as a broodmare. Her last filly was a red dun. Renate was abused by her last owner and still can be timid. She responds very well with females. $2500. Please email or call for details, thanks! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 FAX: 775-383-6813 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords Lynda C. Welch United Equine Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.altrue.net/site/uef/
West Nile Vaccine's & Pregnant Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone, Because this vaccine is relatively new, I've wondered about giving this to my pregnant mares. I recently read an article in my THE HORSE magazine. The name of the article was "WNV and Equine Abortions?" The gist of the article was that they looked at 400 equine abortions for evidence of WNV. They found that 8.8% had evidence of WNV. It has not previously been associated with abortions, and they are not saying it is now. They will be doing further testing to gather information in determining the relationship between WNV and abortions.I guess, for me, I'll be waiting till after my babies are on the ground before using this vaccine. It is something I will be giving to all my horses. Also, My vet told me a few years ago that he'd rather wait to give the pregnant mares their rabie vaccines till after they foaled. He said there had been some cases of abortion that they felt where directly related to having had a recent rabies vaccine. I have lost a littler of puppies because of this same reason. Maybe some of you breeders have never had this problem, but again, I'm not taking any chancesbetter safe then sorry. Just thought I'd mention it. Aimee
rescue mares
This message is from: "MeadowLark Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been reading the posts about the rescue mares. I was surprised to learn that the mare named Molly is a full sister to Troll C-492, who is the sire of Sherle and Walt Monheims's beautiful stallion Lower Forty Bodil (evaluated blue in conformation and he has also passed all of his introductory performance tests with flying colors to receive his Silver Medallion of Quality. Beauty AND brains!) Bodil has a wonderful disposition. We also own a wonderful Troll son. If this girl takes after her family tree anyone should be proud to take her home. We have found it isn't unusual for quality horses to wind up in adoption. I've no desire to start any controversy (rescued Fjords versus those from a breeder-we love them ALL!) I would just like to see Molly and the rest of these girls have a chance at a good life. We have several beautiful, gentle and beloved rescue Fjords and we highly recommend adoption. Helen Schadler
6 Mares in Need of Homes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, Steve has kindly agreed to let me tell the list about 6 Fjord mares we are trying to place by March. These mares are from a PMU farm and are being pulled off the line as the rancher no longer wishes to have any purebreds, is concentrating solely on his crossbreeding program. These mares are as follows: Molly, #C-322, White dun. Born 1985. Heljo's Starna #C-295. Brown dun. Born 1984. Triangle E's Paula #C-341. Brown dun. Born 1985. Triangle E's Rosa, #C-340. Brown dun. Born 1985. Note, these mares, while registered, were never put in this farmer's name, so registration would have to be done by the buyer. The other two mares age from 7-8, and are out of one of the above girls and sired by: Oswald, #C-321, White Dun, Imported from Germany in 1984. Not sure what his birthdate was as the page is cut off. His breeder was Dr. Wilhelm Klee. Oswald is deceased. This farmer also stood a registered Fjord by the name of is Buck, #FS2743. This stallion was registered with the CFHA but this is a very old registration, so do not know exactly which Buck this one is. However, it is very doubtful this is the sire of the above mares as he died quite a few years ago. 3 of the mares are bred to one of the following stallion breeds, most of which are registered: Quarter Horse, Percheron, Belgian, Paint, Suffolk Punch, a purebred Fjord stallion out of one of the above mares and sired by Oswald, not registered, and a Fjord cross stallion sired by Oswald. All mares are trained to ride and are gentle and have kind dispositions. All are desperately in need of an adoptive home. One of the younger mares is blind in one eye due to an injury. If adopted in Canada, meaning no paperwork needed to cross the US border, the adoption fees would be $1603 plus transport. If brought into the states, the adoption fee would be $2000 plus transport from the holding facility either in WI or MI. Please email me privately if interested in either adopting or helping us to bring in these mares. Also, to avoid the discussion of volatile subjects on this list, remember we do have a Fjord list designated for this purpose. Thanks much, Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, Equine Managed Foal and Breed Specific Division Norwegian Fjord Representative United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm UEF Fjord rescue email group: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords
What do you feed your pregnant mares?
This message is from: "DT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do you do anything different in the feeding for your mares. If so when and what? Deb
Re: Mares seasonal behavior
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am interested in buying a Fjord seems that many Fjord owners say that their mares attitudes do not change when they are in heat. -- Hi Linda, I have a 13 yr. old mare and never notice any difference in her attitude. But then she is not around any other horses most of the time. Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Mares seasonal behavior
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am interested in buying a Fjord and I feel that my preference would be a gelding, however, I've been reading some materials on the Fjord horse and it seems that many Fjord owners say that their mares attitudes do not change when they are in heat. Can anyone shed any light on this subject? Linda
PMU Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, I am getting a bit swamped with emails from people requesting this PMU farmer's name and location. Please understand we at the UEF are not able to give out this information. He offered the UEF the opportunity to have us either place or purchase these mares in a timely fashion as he does not wish to deal with the public due to past experiences. The PMU industry is a very controversial area and because of this, many PMU farmers work with organizations, such as the UEF, or through horse sales or production sales to help place either their mares or foals. We at the UEF will never give out personal information on any farmer or individual asking our assistance unless given specific permission to do so. I do hope all of you understand this policy! If there are any on this list from Alberta, Ontario, or even one of the western states that would like to meet the trailer to pick up an adopted mare while in route, this can certainly be done. However, our first and primary goal is to purchase these mares. We cannot do anything until this happens. Thanks, Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: 5 PMU mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grant, He will have to work through the UEF to purchase these mares. This farmer was very specific in stating he will not sell directly to the public, plus we at the UEF are trying to make this an easy situation for him in order to open the door for his PMU foals coming this fall. Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
RE:Adoption Fees for 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, I had forgotten to say in my previous email that we are also working on a possible layover for these mares in Alberta. If we can work this out, the adoption fee would be reduced, although whomever adopted them would be responsible for having them transported from Canada, including all applicable border requirements and fees. I will let everyone know if this comes together and the new adoption fee. Regardless, our goal is to purchase them first and ensure they are safe, then place them in quality homes. Thanks so much for all of your support! Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Adoption Fees for 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, Due to the urgency of this new Fjord placement effort, Jamie, our president, and I have decided to try to do a pre-adoption agreement as we have so many inquiries into adopting these girls. We are on a tight time frame to purchase them from this farmer, needless to say! The adoption fee plus processing fee will be $2289, although we are going to try to see if he will go down in price if I am able to offer him a bulk price for the five. As of right now, however, we have to work with the figures given to us. If anyone would like to adopt one of these girls, please email me directly for an application as our Adoptions Director will not be available for a few hours. Please understand that you must qualify through our adoption process in order to adopt one of these girls so in the event you do not qualify or in the event we are unable to put this together in time and the girls are sent off, your adoption fee minus the $25 processing fee will be refunded back to you. The only information we have on them is what has been shared. They are purebred, the farmer does have paperwork available on them that he believes will allow them to be registered through the CFHA, all have been handled and have calm and pleasant dispositions, three trained to ride, two-three are currently bred, they range in ages from 12-20. They are large girls and have been used on the line extensively. The UEF will not be held responsible for the statements made by the farmer. As of right now, the current plan is to transport them to Michigan which is included in the adoption fee. Transportation to their new home will be the responsibility of the adopter. Thanks, Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jean, I am working right now on the adoption fee, actually, to try to expedite this as we are under a time limit. As soon as we figure it out, I will let everyone know! Lynda Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Linda, Here is the site address: http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org Thanks, Lynda
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linda, certainly these people who are interested in the mares would pay to adopt them. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: 5 PMU mares
This message is from: Grant Proudlove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I know of a gentleman in southern Saskatchewan who is looking for a team of mares how can he get in touch with this PMU man to maybe purchase two? Grant Proudlove Lake Of The Prairies Fjords PO Box 1177 Roblin, MB Canada R0L 1P0 204-937-8772 http://www.geocities.com/retyredman492000/index.html
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: linda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 1/7/03 9:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DUH...didnt see it on your email...sorry > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello Linda, > > In a message dated 1/7/2003 7:04:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> so if you did get them would be >> e > > You will need to go the UEF site and request an adoption application. We are > not sure if we can raise the funds to get the 5 mares as of yet, but if you > wanted to at least get yourself started in the process of getting approved > for adoption that is where you would start. > > Thanks! > > Lynda C. Welch > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative > > For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com > and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > United Equine Foundation > http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm > > > Lynda and Daniel > Bailey's Norwegian Fjords > Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories > White Cloud, MI > 231-689-9902 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: linda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 1/7/03 9:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks Lyndabut I'm pretty computer stupid..how do I get to the UEF site? > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello Linda, > > In a message dated 1/7/2003 7:04:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> so if you did get them would be >> e > > You will need to go the UEF site and request an adoption application. We are > not sure if we can raise the funds to get the 5 mares as of yet, but if you > wanted to at least get yourself started in the process of getting approved > for adoption that is where you would start. > > Thanks! > > Lynda C. Welch > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative > > For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com > and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > United Equine Foundation > http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm > > > Lynda and Daniel > Bailey's Norwegian Fjords > Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories > White Cloud, MI > 231-689-9902 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, > I might consider an adoption as well. Would like to know more. > You will need to visit the UEF site and speak with our Adoptions Director, Dan Hanson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remember these girls will not be available for adoption unless we are able to raise the funds to get them, first. The farmer wishes the UEF to take them as a group. We are currently working on various ideas to sell items also for fund raising. Frankly, with the Fjords, this is all happening so fast I am stunned! Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Linda, In a message dated 1/7/2003 7:04:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > so if you did get them would be > e You will need to go the UEF site and request an adoption application. We are not sure if we can raise the funds to get the 5 mares as of yet, but if you wanted to at least get yourself started in the process of getting approved for adoption that is where you would start. Thanks! Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And the cost is??? k. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2003/01/06 Mon PM 11:26:19 CST > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: 5 PMU Mares > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello everyone, > > I have just been contacted late this evening by a PMU farmer in Alberta, CN > who needs to place 5 of his mares. They are all purebred although not > registered, he will be faxing me all of their paperwork within a few days. > Apparently, they are able to be registered just he did not have the need to > do so. Between 2-3 have been bred, the others open. Some have been trained > to ride. Ages range from 12-20, and they are large girls. He says they are > all very nice and well mannered, he requires this of his mares but is > replacing his purebreds with crossbreeds of various breeds. This is all of > the information I have. > > Needless to say, I will be starting to fund raise again for the purchase of > these girls ASAP as he is on a time limit to place them. Please help us to > save these girls! > > Thanks, > > Lynda C. Welch > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative > > For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com > and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > United Equine Foundation > http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm > > > Lynda and Daniel > Bailey's Norwegian Fjords > Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories > White Cloud, MI > 231-689-9902 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: "Reena G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well I think FIRST they need to get the MONEY for the cost of the mares before adoptions can even take place. of to make a donation!! reena This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I might consider an adoption as well. Would like to know more. Kathryn Bauman Pioneer Valley Sporthorses New Glarus Wi. > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello everyone, > > I have just been contacted late this evening by a PMU farmer in Alberta, CN > who needs to place 5 of his mares. They are all purebred although not > registered, he will be faxing me all of their paperwork within a few days. > > the information I have. > > Needless to say, I will be starting to fund raise again for the purchase of > these girls ASAP as he is on a time limit to place them. Please help us to > save these girls! > > Thanks, > > Lynda C. Welch > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative > > For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com > and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I might consider an adoption as well. Would like to know more. Kathryn Bauman Pioneer Valley Sporthorses New Glarus Wi. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2003/01/06 Mon PM 11:26:19 CST > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: 5 PMU Mares > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello everyone, > > I have just been contacted late this evening by a PMU farmer in Alberta, CN > who needs to place 5 of his mares. They are all purebred although not > registered, he will be faxing me all of their paperwork within a few days. > Apparently, they are able to be registered just he did not have the need to > do so. Between 2-3 have been bred, the others open. Some have been trained > to ride. Ages range from 12-20, and they are large girls. He says they are > all very nice and well mannered, he requires this of his mares but is > replacing his purebreds with crossbreeds of various breeds. This is all of > the information I have. > > Needless to say, I will be starting to fund raise again for the purchase of > these girls ASAP as he is on a time limit to place them. Please help us to > save these girls! > > Thanks, > > Lynda C. Welch > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative > > For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com > and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > United Equine Foundation > http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm > > > Lynda and Daniel > Bailey's Norwegian Fjords > Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories > White Cloud, MI > 231-689-9902 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: 5 PMU Mares
This message is from: linda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
on 1/6/03 10:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ill have some money in about a month...so if you did get them would be
interested in adopting one{of the ones that are bred}linda{near
boise}...thankyou
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have just been contacted late this evening by a PMU farmer in Alberta, CN
> who needs to place 5 of his mares. They are all purebred although not
> registered, he will be faxing me all of their paperwork within a few days.
> Apparently, they are able to be registered just he did not have the need to
> do so. Between 2-3 have been bred, the others open. Some have been trained
> to ride. Ages range from 12-20, and they are large girls. He says they are
> all very nice and well mannered, he requires this of his mares but is
> replacing his purebreds with crossbreeds of various breeds. This is all of
> the information I have.
>
> Needless to say, I will be starting to fund raise again for the purchase of
> these girls ASAP as he is on a time limit to place them. Please help us to
> save these girls!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lynda C. Welch
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative
>
> For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com
> and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> United Equine Foundation
> http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm
>
>
> Lynda and Daniel
> Bailey's Norwegian Fjords
> Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories
> White Cloud, MI
> 231-689-9902
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
5 PMU Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, I have just been contacted late this evening by a PMU farmer in Alberta, CN who needs to place 5 of his mares. They are all purebred although not registered, he will be faxing me all of their paperwork within a few days. Apparently, they are able to be registered just he did not have the need to do so. Between 2-3 have been bred, the others open. Some have been trained to ride. Ages range from 12-20, and they are large girls. He says they are all very nice and well mannered, he requires this of his mares but is replacing his purebreds with crossbreeds of various breeds. This is all of the information I have. Needless to say, I will be starting to fund raise again for the purchase of these girls ASAP as he is on a time limit to place them. Please help us to save these girls! Thanks, Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: Hello!!!! Stallions/Mares /Foals (long!)
This message is from: ceacy henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List! This is Sue Giargiari, a voice from the past. I think it has been a year?? since I have jumped in and posted to the list! I have missed you all! I am farm sitting at Ceacy's and she has been trying to come in from St Croix since yesterday! I just checked the airlines and she is on schedule to fly in at 11:00pm tonite with 5 pups from the Carribean! They are Carribean Found Hounds and every year Ceacy brings some strays back to find homes here, and she always does! I just checked outside and it is snowing lightly now. I know that they closed Logan in Boston but Bradley is still open so I guess I will allow for slow travel(4 wheel drive of course!) and head out in a few minutes. I can't believe that my Jack Russell Maggie is due with pups on the 15 but she is laying here on a chair all curled up with one of Ceacy's jacks, Lilly, and is doing some heavy breathing! Not sure whether to take her or what !! Welcome to the List! all of the newcomers in the last year! It is great to see new folks joining in! Peggy! I can't believe you are moving again! Good luck!! I won't tell anyone whether there is room in our new two car garage for a car yet! or how far the boxes in the 2 horse gooseneck dressing room have traveled this past summer! Time sure flys! Hello to all the newer members! Congratulations to Ruthie and Gayle's group and Catherine is unbelieveable...! One other abbreviation..NFHA. Northeast Fjord Horse Association. When we do a mailing for the dues, which will be coming out in a newsletter shortly, we always have to make sure the NFHA members know that when they get the Equine Journal. We want them to be members of both! Stallions & Mares foaling.. We have had our stallion Hilmar, in with a mare when she has foaled. When Ragnar was born, Sunday and Hilmar were in a summer pasture together. We checked her bag twice a day, and she was one to "wax up" every time. We didn't check one day when we went off and when we got back after dark and headed the truck lites into the pasture, there was Sunday, down with Ragnar out except for the hind legs. He was sitting up looking at Sunday. Hilmar was just standing there about 20 feet away, head down, on guard! Dick had to go hook up the trailer, then we loaded Hilmar in first, and carried the foal while Sunday followed us into the trailer. Tied up Sunday in the back of the stock trailer and I sat with the foal just about in my lap so he wouldn't try to get up! Of course I talked to him the whole time and when he was all settled in, I went up to house to get a bucket of warm molasses water for Sunday to drink and when I got back and started to imprint Ragnar he heard my voice and went nuts talking to me and trying to get up!! He 'bonded' with me as I talked to him in the trailer on the ride from the field to home! LOL! I stayed out of the barn for quite a few hours and he was then fine, answering only to Sunday! We put her right back out into the pasture the next day, with Hilmar, the one near our house, and Hilmar was fine. Even when he pasture breeds, except for the "first" one of the summer, when he gets "carried away" and has to go " oh Yeah!" No chasing!! all over hill and dale!! The mare puts him right in his place if she isn't ready to breed. The foal, even at 9 days old, knows to stay the heck out of the way! They usually get up in front of mama! When we wean the foals, they stay with Hilmar, as the mares stay with him all summer and winter, as long as they are bred back. I keep Dena with him, his Dam, but she is bred back to Konggard. I do pay attention and I can see or hear any funny business if she were to come back into heat. If we take the two mares out to work, the foals stay in with Hilmar. Then they don't panic as they are in the "familiar" place. When the mares are all bred, and with Hilmar, Stella is the alpha mare! He is low man on the totem pole, except for breeding time. The colts will also play with him. On another note, I had a group with a bred mare, Rosita and two geldings, a yr and a half and a 7 year old, get in with Hilmar and his herd. When we found them, the younger gelding, who had grown up in the pasture with him, was grazing just a few feet from him. The gelding, who was brought in as a 6 uear old, was no where to be found. After I fixed the fence, I walked out to the very back woods of the pasture and there was the gelding, about as far away from the herd as he could get. Just standing there resting with one leg cocked. He had a few bites but nothing major. Hilmar drove him away but let the younger one stay. I geld at 4 months, a few weeks before weaning, less trauma and swelling on the youngster. The fillies stay with him until they are a yearling, maybe a little later. I haven't had one come into heat while that age. Kn
Re: stallion with mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Listers; When I bought my mare, Lena, she, three other mares and their babies were all in a pasture with "daddy"!! To my knowledge they are together all the time. Honestly, I was so focused on the mares I did not even realize we were in the company of a stallion. He was Mr. HO-HUM - in typical fjord fashion, never lifted his head to see who the new visitors were. I'll ask if they keep him in the pasture in the spring when the babies arrive. Enjoy "turkey day" :) Linda in MN -- sunny day, near 40, no snow ...my daughter and I are going to ride:)
website for mares in foal
This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can anyone recommend a website that shows the size of the unborn foal month to month along with information on exactly where the foal is being carried and then info on delivery. thanks. Debby
Re: Ultrasounds (used to be stallions and mares...)
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Snowy Mtn." wrote: > About progesteron I am glad you asked that question. I should probably have > Nicolena tested as she reabsorbed last year. I totally love her foals. How > often are you supposed to give the hormone shots? > Lauren I've heard monthly compared to the daily paste version. There's got to be a reason why more people do the paste though. I wonder if the shot is oil based? Or is reactive some way. Mark > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mariposa Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > When do you have yours ultrasounded (what day?). My Vet doesn't have an > > > > > > Also wondering if anyone has had to use progesterone (Regumate)? I'm > > going to > > be testing one of my horses that reabsorbed last year, for low > > progesterone > > levels and checked into the price of the Regumate and the smallest > > amount I can > > get locally would be enough to do 6 horses (and would cost $250)!! I > > didn't ask > > about the long lasting hormone shot prices. Has anyone out there used > > them? > > > > > > Mark McGinley > > Mariposa Farm > > Washburn, WI
Re: Ultrasounds (used to be stallions and mares...)
This message is from: "Snowy Mtn." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> About Ultrasounding with a experienced vet and a newer machine, they can tell at 14 days now.I know my vet could only tell at 18 days last year with an older machine. I think it is wonderful. About progesteron I am glad you asked that question. I should probably have Nicolena tested as she reabsorbed last year. I totally love her foals. How often are you supposed to give the hormone shots? Lauren - Original Message - From: "Mariposa Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > When do you have yours ultrasounded (what day?). My Vet doesn't have an > > > Also wondering if anyone has had to use progesterone (Regumate)? I'm > going to > be testing one of my horses that reabsorbed last year, for low > progesterone > levels and checked into the price of the Regumate and the smallest > amount I can > get locally would be enough to do 6 horses (and would cost $250)!! I > didn't ask > about the long lasting hormone shot prices. Has anyone out there used > them? > > > Mark McGinley > Mariposa Farm > Washburn, WI
Ultrasounds (used to be stallions and mares...)
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Snowy Mtn." wrote: > I have taken to spending the money to having all mares ultrasounded. > Now, I don't have to take the chance with flirtatous mares that are already > pregnant. Hi Lauren- When do you have yours ultrasounded (what day?). My Vet doesn't have an ultrasound and the Vet I bring my mares too to get this done doesn't like to do it before the 21st day. By then you've missed a cycle if they weren't bred. I did do one last year at 18 days and he found the embryo. This year I did two mares (15 and 17 days) and both were inconclusive so I had to haul them back to the breeder. I've heard that a good machine can do 14 days with a good operator. Just curious. Also wondering if anyone has had to use progesterone (Regumate)? I'm going to be testing one of my horses that reabsorbed last year, for low progesterone levels and checked into the price of the Regumate and the smallest amount I can get locally would be enough to do 6 horses (and would cost $250)!! I didn't ask about the long lasting hormone shot prices. Has anyone out there used them? Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Washburn, WI
Re: stallions with mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Martie, They are bad here, too! We have seen more misquitos this year than I think we have in the last 3! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords & Shetlands White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: stallions with mares
This message is from: Curtis Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello everyone. I just wanted to add my two cents worth about letting > stallions run with mares. I would never, never risk it! I agree with hand breeding and the use of hobbles. In all cases where you don't know the mare or the mare is not giving you the right signs, you need to take precautions. If you got a stallion that has been running with the mares for some time, I bet the stallion and you know the mares pretty well. > This message is from: "Snowy Mtn." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hobbles ? Although I have bought an expencive breeding hobble, I am > afraid to use it. A neighbour's Arab mare had to be put down after being > hobbled during breeding she tried kicking with the hobbles on and ruined her > spine. Maybe that was the stallion managers fault for trying to breed a > mare when she wasn't ready? Some mares are nasty tho. In the end breeding is > a very dangerous buisiness for mare, stallion & handler. It should never be > taken for granted. How has other peoples experience with breeding hobbles > been.? I think you identified the problem with the hobbles - "the stallion managers fault." You also need to adjust and use the hobbles correctly or they can still be a problem. In all cases, have help and pay attention to what signs the mare and stallion are using. > I have taken to spending the money to having all mares ultrasounded. > Now, I don't have to take the chance with flirtatous mares that are already > pregnant. One mare bred here last year the owner absolutely refusesd to have > ultrsounded. Unfortuneatly she had twins and both died. What a waste. This > didn't have to happen. Hopefully some of us can learn from others mistakes. > Now I will only breed in hand and have all my mares ultrasounded. We had 3 > out of 5 ultrasounded pregnent last week, pictures and everything How neat. > Now I know who to focus my attention on. Well said! I don't know of any vet or book on breeding that doesn't recommend ultrasounding the mare at 18 days. This checks that the mare is in-foal and doesn't have twins. Any more lessons learned out there? I'm interested in learning more. Take care and enjoy your Fjords! Curt Pierce Bristow VA Our Fjords say that it is too hot! It was in the mid 90's today with more tomorrow.
Re: stallions with mares
This message is from: John Bolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our vet told us the same thing LAST year as soon as he got his first batch of vaccines. Since we live between two rivers and there are LOTS of misquitos and ticks, we get the Lyme, Potomac Fever and West Nile each year. I sure hope the shots are working; misquitos are BAD this year. We have had no bad reactions to them so far. Martie in MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our vet made us laugh, he simply said"We ARE vaccinating for West Nile this year." He is very concerned. Lynda
Re: stallions with mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Julie, All of our Fjords and Shetlands have been vaccinated for West Nile this year. Not one problem. We also had a crow tested positive down in Lansing!! The cost of the vaccination is well worth it, in our opinion, as the cost of vet care for a horse with West Nile is exceptionally expensive and more often than not, the illness is fatal for the horse. Our vet made us laugh, he simply said"We ARE vaccinating for West Nile this year." He is very concerned. Lynda Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords & Shetlands White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: stallions with mares/ hobbles ?
This message is from: "Snowy Mtn." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree with Julie about the risk of mares running with stallions. It was our lovely Cruizer that got killed by a mare. He was an experienced stallion and a gentleman when it came to breeding. I beleave the mare had a split esterous, showing heat but not being in a true heat. I has been my experience also that Stallions not taught to breed in hand from the very beginning are not as easy to handle in hand later. Hobbles ? Although I have bought an expencive breeding hobble, I am afraid to use it. A neighbour's Arab mare had to be put down after being hobbled during breeding she tried kicking with the hobbles on and ruined her spine. Maybe that was the stallion managers fault for trying to breed a mare when she wasn't ready? Some mares are nasty tho. In the end breeding is a very dangerous buisiness for mare, stallion & handler. It should never be taken for granted. How has other peoples experience with breeding hobbles been.? I have taken to spending the money to having all mares ultrasounded. Now, I don't have to take the chance with flirtatous mares that are already pregnant. One mare bred here last year the owner absolutely refusesd to have ultrsounded. Unfortuneatly she had twins and both died. What a waste. This didn't have to happen. Hopefully some of us can learn from others mistakes. Now I will only breed in hand and have all my mares ultrasounded. We had 3 out of 5 ultrasounded pregnent last week, pictures and everything How neat. Now I know who to focus my attention on. Don't begrudge spending your hard earned money on a good stallion. The owner of the stallion doesn't always have an easy job. The stallion may enjoy his work but it is risky buisiness even with hobbles. Those vets sure earn their money too. Ultrasounding isn't always easy either.our poor vet has been kicked a few to many times, not by ours mares but i think I'll build a stock for the mares just to show I appreciate him and don't want him to get hurt. Good luck to all of you and your horses Lauren www.fjordhorse.net - Original Message - From: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: June 23, 2002 6:39 AM Subject: stallions with mares > This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello everyone. I just wanted to add my two cents worth about letting > stallions run with mares. I would never, never risk it! I know it works for > some people, and it might seem the "natural" way to go, and the mares will > teach the stallion manners, but is it really worth risking an injury to the > stallion, or even death, as happened to one of our listers a few years ago? > At OHF all breeding is done by hand, and mares are hobbled to prevent the > stallion from being kicked.
stallions with mares
This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello everyone. I just wanted to add my two cents worth about letting stallions run with mares. I would never, never risk it! I know it works for some people, and it might seem the "natural" way to go, and the mares will teach the stallion manners, but is it really worth risking an injury to the stallion, or even death, as happened to one of our listers a few years ago? At OHF all breeding is done by hand, and mares are hobbled to prevent the stallion from being kicked. On another note, is anyone vaccinating for West NIle Virus? Any problems with the vaccine? Our state is urging horse owners to vaccinate for it, but I know the vaccine is very new and I am cautious. Julie at Old Hickory Farm, upstate New York
Re: mares
This message is from: Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Liked your post Patti, alot of very good horse sense! Jane (in Maine where spring has arrived - 60degrees! wish spring were really here) Dave Walter wrote: We tend to forget that these Fjords are Horses.
Re: mares
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for the imput. We have a mare and a gelding. I love them both but do get different reactions from them. Lena sometimes makes me nervous but she has such a great work ethic that hopefully will carry over to the younger horse. He is pretty laid back with not much but eating on his mind. He is definitely the lover. I love Fjords. They seem to have taught our quarter horses how to be more responsive to the two legged critters walking around. The quarter horses have been more aloof and now seem to want to be part of the group. pat ttfn Dave Walter wrote: > This message is from: "Dave Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I would just like to add my two cents worth and add to Pat Holland's comment > on Fjord mares. What she said was very true. We tend to forget that these > Fjords are Horses. Mares are female horses, look at the female population > of the human world. Some are very emotional, some are very laid back and > even keel. I don't like to suggest humans are horses, but it works some of > the time to use as an analogy. I have seen some of the sweetest horses that > were mares and I've seen some of the witchiest being mares as well. > Bloodlines and handling have a lot to do with it, but also each horse has a > personality. People need to realize that Fjords are horses. We do a big > injustice in telling people how calm and easy going these horses are, and > neglect to tell them that they are also a horse and need to be trained and > treated like one! I work with young Fjords, let me tell you, these horses > can be harder to handle than other breeds. They are heavy, strong and at > times stubborn. I LOVE Fjords, can not see myself with any other breed and > yet there is a down side to them as well. I am a very positive person and I > don't like talking negative but I also am very truthful and in the wrong > hands or the wrong training, these horses will hurt someone, just like any > other horse. Since I'm on a soapbox I am also saddened by a lot of breeders > breeding and not handling there young stock. Another big injustice to the > breed. These are wonderful horses, but when you sell a 600 pound or larger > untrained horse, it reflects on the breed. Sure it will let you put a > halter on it, maybe even let you "lead" it around, more likely it just wants > to go that way. But have you ever disciplined that animal, or trained it to > do what YOU want it to do, even when it didn't want to? I have seen several > very naughty Fjords and I know other trainers have seen several as well, > mostly due to lack of handling, some are bad breedings. Most come around and > make wonderful mounts, but at a cost to the breed. Please work with your > animals, if not for the sake of the person who might own it after you, than > for the sake of the horse, you bred it, you be responsible for it. > > When we say mares can't canter you're forgetting about the conformation of > the Horse. Some have good conformation and others don't. The really heavy > drafty Fjords will find it harder to keep in the canter than a light lean > one because of conformation. Fjords tend to be front end heavy, not all, > but there are a good deal of them out there. Those will find it harder to > pick that front end up and stay in the canter. Then there is the back end, > maybe it too is weak, or the back, maybe it has problems. Not to mention > all the joints that are working when trotting or cantering. The horse that > is correct in conformation SHOULD have an easier time and smoother gaits at > the walk, trot and canter.(Excepts to all rules) I hear people all the time > say, are they smooth to ride, depends on the conformation. Other say, "can > they do a western jog", sure they can, need to train them, and again > depending on their conformation it will be easier for some than others. It > is not a breed thing, it is a conformation thing because they are a horse.I > didn't even mention the way some horses are trained. Or how they are ridden. > Those horses that are winning at high levels have wonderful experienced > riders on top of them. They get a lot out of them, because they know how. > Please don't think I'm knocking Fjords. I think they are wonderful, but lets > do them the justice they deserve. Breed responsible, handle and train those > young ones and tell people they are still a horse and can and will do horse > crazy things. I would add, "I'd rather be on a Fjord when they do something > crazy than any other breed." Hope this helps, just felt it needed to be > said. > > Patti Jo Walter > Francis Creek Fjords > Two Rivers WI
mares
This message is from: "Dave Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would just like to add my two cents worth and add to Pat Holland's comment on Fjord mares. What she said was very true. We tend to forget that these Fjords are Horses. Mares are female horses, look at the female population of the human world. Some are very emotional, some are very laid back and even keel. I don't like to suggest humans are horses, but it works some of the time to use as an analogy. I have seen some of the sweetest horses that were mares and I've seen some of the witchiest being mares as well. Bloodlines and handling have a lot to do with it, but also each horse has a personality. People need to realize that Fjords are horses. We do a big injustice in telling people how calm and easy going these horses are, and neglect to tell them that they are also a horse and need to be trained and treated like one! I work with young Fjords, let me tell you, these horses can be harder to handle than other breeds. They are heavy, strong and at times stubborn. I LOVE Fjords, can not see myself with any other breed and yet there is a down side to them as well. I am a very positive person and I don't like talking negative but I also am very truthful and in the wrong hands or the wrong training, these horses will hurt someone, just like any other horse. Since I'm on a soapbox I am also saddened by a lot of breeders breeding and not handling there young stock. Another big injustice to the breed. These are wonderful horses, but when you sell a 600 pound or larger untrained horse, it reflects on the breed. Sure it will let you put a halter on it, maybe even let you "lead" it around, more likely it just wants to go that way. But have you ever disciplined that animal, or trained it to do what YOU want it to do, even when it didn't want to? I have seen several very naughty Fjords and I know other trainers have seen several as well, mostly due to lack of handling, some are bad breedings. Most come around and make wonderful mounts, but at a cost to the breed. Please work with your animals, if not for the sake of the person who might own it after you, than for the sake of the horse, you bred it, you be responsible for it. When we say mares can't canter you're forgetting about the conformation of the Horse. Some have good conformation and others don't. The really heavy drafty Fjords will find it harder to keep in the canter than a light lean one because of conformation. Fjords tend to be front end heavy, not all, but there are a good deal of them out there. Those will find it harder to pick that front end up and stay in the canter. Then there is the back end, maybe it too is weak, or the back, maybe it has problems. Not to mention all the joints that are working when trotting or cantering. The horse that is correct in conformation SHOULD have an easier time and smoother gaits at the walk, trot and canter.(Excepts to all rules) I hear people all the time say, are they smooth to ride, depends on the conformation. Other say, "can they do a western jog", sure they can, need to train them, and again depending on their conformation it will be easier for some than others. It is not a breed thing, it is a conformation thing because they are a horse.I didn't even mention the way some horses are trained. Or how they are ridden. Those horses that are winning at high levels have wonderful experienced riders on top of them. They get a lot out of them, because they know how. Please don't think I'm knocking Fjords. I think they are wonderful, but lets do them the justice they deserve. Breed responsible, handle and train those young ones and tell people they are still a horse and can and will do horse crazy things. I would add, "I'd rather be on a Fjord when they do something crazy than any other breed." Hope this helps, just felt it needed to be said. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Two Rivers WI
Re: Fjord Myths redoux : mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Personally, I am just partial to mares *by* or otherwise... Sissel is sometimes a wee bit, um, testy when she's in heat, but really not bad. Often, when I walk to the barn, Sissel will prick her ears toward me and give me that low "mama horse" nicker of greeting. At moments like that, I can't help but forgive her all her faults. Obviously, she forgives me mine. DeeAnna
Re: Fjord Myths redoux : mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/13/2001 7:58:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Personally, I am just partial to mares *by* or otherwise. I have to second this motion!! We do love our mares. We have had a LOT of horses over the years, and without a doubt the top 10 of all times would probably be mares (maybe a stallion or two tossed in). I've personally only had maybe one or two memorable geldings. Not saying there aren't a bunch of great geldings out there, I'm sure there are. But I'll stick with my "girls". Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fjord Myths redoux : mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Karen, LOL I have not met a horse of either sex yet that did not have an opinion! Personally, I am just partial to mares *by* or otherwise. We are fortunate to not have any of the former here. Regards! Lynda Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: Fjord Myths redoux : mares
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pat, I agree 100% with you. I think the only thing that remains constant in the Fjord breed is the outer package: their colouring: what ya see is what ya get. Beyond that, they are all individuals IMO. One of the best mares I have ridden performance wise, and I have ridden some GOOD mares! -was a class "A" b---h (rhymes w/ "witch"). She just wasn't the type of individual you could drop into a pair situation and expect her to deal with it. She was very opinionated, (aren't we all!)and you had to respect her opinions - if you wanted to get along w/ her. Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have been told by someone that Fjord mares > are much calmer than many other breeds. Is this so? Fjord mares in my opinion are just female horses - like all the rest of the breeds. Some are calmer than others some aren't. We are doing the breed an injustice and putting to much responsibility on the breed itself to say they are ALL calmer, easier to work with etc etc than other breeds. Just like someone on the Digest said last week, she heard Fjords can't canter. Some can better than others. just like any other breed. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: Fjord mares
This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have been told by someone that Fjord mares > are much calmer than many other breeds. Is this so? > Fjord mares in my opinion are just female horses - like all the rest of the breeds. Some are calmer than others some aren't. We are doing the breed an injustice and putting to much responsibility on the breed itself to say they are ALL calmer, easier to work with etc etc than other breeds. Just like someone on the Digest said last week, she heard Fjords can't canter. Some can better than others. just like any other breed.
Re: Are Fjord mares any different?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, We love our mares and have never found them to be either moody or unpredictable. As a matter of fact, our preference is mares. As for working a stallion and a mare together, we have seen it done with the Fjords, plus our stallion does quite well with our mares. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Are Fjord mares any different?
This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't mean to sound prejudice so forgive me if I step on anyone's hoof. I have owned two mares that were not Fjords. Both were moody and unpredictable at times due to their moods. I have been told by someone that Fjord mares are much calmer than many other breeds. Is this so? I was told that you can have a Fjord stallion and a Fjord mare side by side pulling a wagon and they will work together not even batting an eye at one another. Is this so? I am asking as I have a friend who wants to buy a Fjord mare. My preference is for geldings and I am inclined to stir her in that direction. Any ideas out there? Deb _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: Older Mares
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sally that is some kind of record for a horse of that 25 year age. Evidently there is no menopause for horses? Maybe that is our answer, girls, the secret as to how to avoid the memory loss, hot flashes etc.. At least it gives me time to think about what to do with my 12 year old mare if I eventually change my mind about breeding her. Maybe recreate Charley after he goes. No I don't think so. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
Re: Older Mares
This message is from: "Frank & Sally Higgins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just had to comment on the breeding of older mares. Two years ago we boarded a 25 year old QH who had just had her first foal! There were no problems with either mare or foal, she had plenty of milk, and the foal grew well. The mare was not what I'd call 'conditioned', since she was used very seldom and only for pleasure trail riding. Personally, I was quite surprised at the whole event. I couldn't imagine breeding a 25-year-old mare for the first time. I would worry the whole time! Sally in ME who usually just lurks on here
Re: If women were Mares...
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Catherine, I liked this. pat ttfn "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I rarely forward ... but I thought some would appreciate this... Catherine > Lassesen > > > > Being a person who appreciates horses, this > > > > thought (written by a lady > > > > >veterinarian) appealed to me. > > > > > > > > > > If we were mares . . . . . > > > > > Some group of scientists sat around having > > > > coffee one morning (even > > > > >scientists can't think in the morning without > > > > coffee! ) and came up with > > > > >the conclusion that humans are the intelligent > > > > species. . that homo sapiens > > > > >are far superior in brain power to all of the other > > > > world's creatures. . . > > > > >so my unscientific brain got to thinking about this > > > > today. . . about how > > > > >the world could or would be like if we thought and > > > > acted more like my > > > > >horses. . . . This is what I came up with: > > > > > 1. That we (mares) should sit at the kitchen > > > > table when our new > > > > >"Journals" came and pick out our men (stallions). > > > > These stallions would be > > > > >only the best that were allowed to reproduce - good > > > > looking, intelligent, > > > > >athletic, healthy and excel in a particular > > > > discipline. All others would be > > > > >gelded. H. And that we could pick out a > > > > different stallion every year > > > > >without earning a bad reputation! > > > > > 2. That we should be allowed to roam around all > > > > day and eat (graze), > > > > >nap, enjoy the outdoors, and socialize with our > > > > buddies as pretty pasture > > > > >ornaments with all our needs taken care of by > > > > somebody else! > > > > > 3. That "fat" would be considered a desirable > > > > asset and prove that we > > > > >are "easy keepers". > > > > > 4. That we should be waited on - our rooms > > > > cleaned, and an all you can > > > > >eat buffet before us everyday. > > > > > 5. That we should get new shoes or a pedicure > > > > every 5 to 6 weeks and our > > > > >hair done daily. > > > > > 6. That we should be chauffeured around when we > > > > need to go somewhere in > > > > >an expensive vehicle designed just for us. . . oh, > > > > and with food in front > > > > >of us while we travel. > > > > > 7. That once our babies are weaned they can't > > > > move back home. > > > > > 8. That we should have better clothes, grooming > > > > supplies, living > > > > >conditions and medical care than the people that > > > > take care of us. > > > > > Okay scientists. . . now who is really smarter? > > > > ? ? > > > > > -- Barbara Forney, VMD > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If women were Mares...
This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I rarely forward ... but I thought some would appreciate this... Catherine Lassesen > > Being a person who appreciates horses, this > > > thought (written by a lady > > > >veterinarian) appealed to me. > > > > > > > > If we were mares . . . . . > > > > Some group of scientists sat around having > > > coffee one morning (even > > > >scientists can't think in the morning without > > > coffee! ) and came up with > > > >the conclusion that humans are the intelligent > > > species. . that homo sapiens > > > >are far superior in brain power to all of the other > > > world's creatures. . . > > > >so my unscientific brain got to thinking about this > > > today. . . about how > > > >the world could or would be like if we thought and > > > acted more like my > > > >horses. . . . This is what I came up with: > > > > 1. That we (mares) should sit at the kitchen > > > table when our new > > > >"Journals" came and pick out our men (stallions). > > > These stallions would be > > > >only the best that were allowed to reproduce - good > > > looking, intelligent, > > > >athletic, healthy and excel in a particular > > > discipline. All others would be > > > >gelded. H. And that we could pick out a > > > different stallion every year > > > >without earning a bad reputation! > > > > 2. That we should be allowed to roam around all > > > day and eat (graze), > > > >nap, enjoy the outdoors, and socialize with our > > > buddies as pretty pasture > > > >ornaments with all our needs taken care of by > > > somebody else! > > > > 3. That "fat" would be considered a desirable > > > asset and prove that we > > > >are "easy keepers". > > > > 4. That we should be waited on - our rooms > > > cleaned, and an all you can > > > >eat buffet before us everyday. > > > > 5. That we should get new shoes or a pedicure > > > every 5 to 6 weeks and our > > > >hair done daily. > > > > 6. That we should be chauffeured around when we > > > need to go somewhere in > > > >an expensive vehicle designed just for us. . . oh, > > > and with food in front > > > >of us while we travel. > > > > 7. That once our babies are weaned they can't > > > move back home. > > > > 8. That we should have better clothes, grooming > > > supplies, living > > > >conditions and medical care than the people that > > > take care of us. > > > > Okay scientists. . . now who is really smarter? > > > ? ? > > > > -- Barbara Forney, VMD > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PMU mares....REALLY is Fjord related
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WHAT an opportunity for a nice horse I have heard great things from people who have purchased foals from these PMU farms..but, as with anything, there will be good and responsible managers, and then not so responsible ones. Not trying to stir up a hornet's nestbut I had a question. What is the difference between keeping mares confined for a time during each year for "collection" .. versus .. keeping horses (young & old & intact & castrated) confined for a time during each year in tie stalls in countries where there is LOTS of snow, as in Norway/Fjords/etc (as I have so recently learned)? Animals adapt.look at the 4-H and FFA animals and what they go through. Farmers of old exhibited their wealth in the size of their barn, and fitting all their animals into it during the long cold winter months. Just a thought. Carole Sweet Modesto, CA psif this particular train of thought was mentioned in earlier discussions on this topic, I apologize for being redundant.
Kentucky mares
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just talked to a friend of mine in Lexington who said they had discovered the cause of the deaths and abortions there and in the surrounding states. The tent caterpillar was very prevalent this year and so was the wild cherry. The pillars fed heavily on the leaves of the cherry trees (these trees can reach a diameter of several feet and I believe are used for lovely furniture) and then as they migrated their feces spread over the grass and contained heavy doses of cyanide. The horse then ingested and the placentas filled with fluid and the oxygen was cut off to the fetus and the umbilicus could not sustain the foal. The mares and others also suffered blindness and fluid sacs around their hearts. According to Bob some of these have recovered. The owners who kept their horses stalled and fed non local hay or who sprayed for the caterpillars did not have problems. Hope this helps. Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Fjord mares for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, We decided to add two Fjord mares, 6 and 19 years of age, to our sales list. They both have training to ride and drive, both are excellent broodmares, and both handle beautifully. These girls are about as close to "bombproof" as one could ask for. They do not startle at anything! Both are registered with the NFHR, and one is cross registered with the CFHA. Prices are $3500 and $4500. Both currently have two month old very nice foals, and if sold with the foal, the prices would be $5000 and $6000, respectively. If you need further information, please let us know! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231.689.9902 http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
Re: A grey Mirage / mares for sale
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Hi Lauren, Did you get pictures yet? My friend, Sarah Drew, here in Fairbanks, said she e-mailed you ...I told her about the mares. Do you have Eneste there? Can you give me some idea of how well she is trained, height, soundness, and so on. Sarah has asked for my help so you can send info to me (Sarah's home computer is down, and school is off for spring break next week) Thanks, Jean >3 lovely mares for sale priced to sell. > >Ka Ja Co's Eneste >Sire: Leidjo Dam: Anvil's Levende >Born: 10 May 90 >A sturdy kind and calm fjord Nessy is broke to saddle and harness. >Priced at $3,500 U.S. or Bred to Cosmo 4,250 > >Vanilla >Sire: Rorik's Finn Dam: Ka Ja Co's Eneste >Born: 4 June 98 >Vanilla has spent most of her life on green pastures. >She is halterbroke, ties, trailers well and of course gets her feet trimmed >Vanilla is very friendly and loves attention >Priced at $3,000 U.S or Bred to Cosmo 3,750 > >Freya II. >Dam: Heidi (a myrstein daughter) Sire: Glengard >born 7/12/91 >This mare is stunningly gorgeous with superb movement and a kind sweet >temperment >Trained under saddle as well as in harness. >She is a very forward, energetic fjord wanting to go. Freya is a fabulous >mom. Her last foal is a stunning grey colt Mirage Sired by >Snowy's Cosmo. >Priced at 5,700 U.S or bred to Cosmo 6,450 > >www.fjordhorse.net >Lauren Sellars >Snowy Mountain Fjords >Cawston B.C > > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A grey Mirage / mares for sale
This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Lori Pictures are being developed. I'll send some photo's as soon as I get them. a video will take just a little longer. Thank you for your interest Lauren -Original Message- From: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: March 3, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Re: A grey Mirage / mares for sale >This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Dear Lauren: > >Can you please send pictures of Freya and video? > >Thanks > >Lori Albrough >R.R.#3 >Moorefield Ontario >N0G 2K0 > >fjords wrote: >> >> This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Snowy's Cosmo sired a lovely grey stud colt Mirage out of the >> gorgeous Mare Freya II a Glengard daugther. We couldn't pass up the chance >> to buy this lovely colt born last May. We have 5 greys on the farm now,& >> they are all boys. Must be addicts If his mare Freya wasn't so excellent >> maybe we could have looked the other way but with such beauty and >> elegence on both sides Mirage is bound to be a great horse. We hope to >> bring him to Libby this Sept along with his 1/2 brother & sister Zipidee and >> Abra all 3 are sired by Cosmo. Get of Sire class here we come. They all >> have the elegence, fluid body movement & great heads that make us so proud. >> >> Friends in Montana would like us to help sell their fjord mares. As >> they are busy with business in Germany. We will soon have photo's up on >> our web site. Here >> is a written discription for anyone interested. >> >> 3 lovely mares for sale priced to sell. >> >> Ka Ja Co's Eneste >> Sire: Leidjo Dam: Anvil's Levende >> Born: 10 May 90 >> A sturdy kind and calm fjord Nessy is broke to saddle and harness. >> Priced at $3,500 U.S. or Bred to Cosmo 4,250 >> >> Vanilla >> Sire: Rorik's Finn Dam: Ka Ja Co's Eneste >> Born: 4 June 98 >> Vanilla has spent most of her life on green pastures. >> She is halterbroke, ties, trailers well and of course gets her feet trimmed >> Vanilla is very friendly and loves attention >> Priced at $3,000 U.S or Bred to Cosmo 3,750 >> >> Freya II. >> Dam: Heidi (a myrstein daughter) Sire: Glengard >> born 7/12/91 >> This mare is stunningly gorgeous with superb movement and a kind sweet >> temperment >> Trained under saddle as well as in harness. >> She is a very forward, energetic fjord wanting to go. Freya is a fabulous >> mom. Her last foal is a stunning grey colt Mirage Sired by >> Snowy's Cosmo. >> Priced at 5,700 U.S or bred to Cosmo 6,450 >> >> www.fjordhorse.net >> Lauren Sellars >> Snowy Mountain Fjords >> Cawston B.C
Re: A grey Mirage / mares for sale
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Lauren: Can you please send pictures of Freya and video? Thanks Lori Albrough R.R.#3 Moorefield Ontario N0G 2K0 fjords wrote: > > This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Snowy's Cosmo sired a lovely grey stud colt Mirage out of the > gorgeous Mare Freya II a Glengard daugther. We couldn't pass up the chance > to buy this lovely colt born last May. We have 5 greys on the farm now,& > they are all boys. Must be addicts If his mare Freya wasn't so excellent > maybe we could have looked the other way but with such beauty and > elegence on both sides Mirage is bound to be a great horse. We hope to > bring him to Libby this Sept along with his 1/2 brother & sister Zipidee and > Abra all 3 are sired by Cosmo. Get of Sire class here we come. They all > have the elegence, fluid body movement & great heads that make us so proud. > > Friends in Montana would like us to help sell their fjord mares. As > they are busy with business in Germany. We will soon have photo's up on > our web site. Here > is a written discription for anyone interested. > > 3 lovely mares for sale priced to sell. > > Ka Ja Co's Eneste > Sire: Leidjo Dam: Anvil's Levende > Born: 10 May 90 > A sturdy kind and calm fjord Nessy is broke to saddle and harness. > Priced at $3,500 U.S. or Bred to Cosmo 4,250 > > Vanilla > Sire: Rorik's Finn Dam: Ka Ja Co's Eneste > Born: 4 June 98 > Vanilla has spent most of her life on green pastures. > She is halterbroke, ties, trailers well and of course gets her feet trimmed > Vanilla is very friendly and loves attention > Priced at $3,000 U.S or Bred to Cosmo 3,750 > > Freya II. > Dam: Heidi (a myrstein daughter) Sire: Glengard > born 7/12/91 > This mare is stunningly gorgeous with superb movement and a kind sweet > temperment > Trained under saddle as well as in harness. > She is a very forward, energetic fjord wanting to go. Freya is a fabulous > mom. Her last foal is a stunning grey colt Mirage Sired by > Snowy's Cosmo. > Priced at 5,700 U.S or bred to Cosmo 6,450 > > www.fjordhorse.net > Lauren Sellars > Snowy Mountain Fjords > Cawston B.C
A grey Mirage / mares for sale
This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Snowy's Cosmo sired a lovely grey stud colt Mirage out of the gorgeous Mare Freya II a Glengard daugther. We couldn't pass up the chance to buy this lovely colt born last May. We have 5 greys on the farm now,& they are all boys. Must be addicts If his mare Freya wasn't so excellent maybe we could have looked the other way but with such beauty and elegence on both sides Mirage is bound to be a great horse. We hope to bring him to Libby this Sept along with his 1/2 brother & sister Zipidee and Abra all 3 are sired by Cosmo. Get of Sire class here we come. They all have the elegence, fluid body movement & great heads that make us so proud. Friends in Montana would like us to help sell their fjord mares. As they are busy with business in Germany. We will soon have photo's up on our web site. Here is a written discription for anyone interested. 3 lovely mares for sale priced to sell. Ka Ja Co's Eneste Sire: Leidjo Dam: Anvil's Levende Born: 10 May 90 A sturdy kind and calm fjord Nessy is broke to saddle and harness. Priced at $3,500 U.S. or Bred to Cosmo 4,250 Vanilla Sire: Rorik's Finn Dam: Ka Ja Co's Eneste Born: 4 June 98 Vanilla has spent most of her life on green pastures. She is halterbroke, ties, trailers well and of course gets her feet trimmed Vanilla is very friendly and loves attention Priced at $3,000 U.S or Bred to Cosmo 3,750 Freya II. Dam: Heidi (a myrstein daughter) Sire: Glengard born 7/12/91 This mare is stunningly gorgeous with superb movement and a kind sweet temperment Trained under saddle as well as in harness. She is a very forward, energetic fjord wanting to go. Freya is a fabulous mom. Her last foal is a stunning grey colt Mirage Sired by Snowy's Cosmo. Priced at 5,700 U.S or bred to Cosmo 6,450 www.fjordhorse.net Lauren Sellars Snowy Mountain Fjords Cawston B.C
Re: Feeding pregnant mares
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is in response to Sue Sorger-Clark who asked about feeding pregnant mares. Mares in the last three months of gestation require about 10% more energy, 20% more protein, and 50% more calcium and phosphorus than mature horses on maintenance or in the first eight months of pg. In terms of energy and protein, note that it is 20% MORE, not 20% of diet, and this slight increase can be achieved through slightly increasing the grain ration. Go by eye and by feeling the fat on her ribs, shoulder, neck, etc. Aim for a proper body condition, not too fat, not too thin. For the calcium/phosphorus requirement: whether or not you have to supplement, or indeed whether or not feeding bran is a good idea (bran has a lot of phosphorus), will depend on both the amount and the proportions, of calcium and phosphorus in your hay. The ratio of calcium to phosphorus should be between 1:1 and 2:1. Alfalfa hay has a lot of calcium and not much phosphorus. Grass hay has about 1.5:1 calcium:phosphorus which is perfect for horses, but probably low in the amount of calcium for a pg mare in the last three months. Each fall we have our hay tested so we know how much calcium, phosphorus, energy, protein, etc is in the hay. If your hay has a lot of calcium you will have to supplement the phosphorus to correct the ratio. If your hay does not have a lot of calcium, you may want to feed some alfalfa each day in the last three months to supplement her calcium, or use a mineral supplement with the proper balance of calcium/phosphorus. Having a hay analysis gives you a known starting point from which you can design your ration. Lori Albrough Bluebird Lane Fjords Moorefield Ontario http://www.bluebirdlane.com
Re: Standing while trimmed & bred mares
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> She started out just not standing well while trimmed. The 'new' farrier insisted on pulling her leg way out from under her to trim - not standing close in like the usual farrier. I told him several times that the horse had arthritus in the front and would not stand like that with her leg twisted. He said 'she is not sore, she is spoiled' and continued to force her leg out. She responded after several slight jerks and pulls with a rear up and release of her leg. She actually 'groaned' when he pulled the leg out to the side. After a second time telling him she was uncomfortable, she went balistic rearing and pulling back on the crossties. This is when she was hit. She did not strike out at the farrier, just pulled away. After he struck her she was just too wild to work with. We put her away and worked on the other horses. She was done the following week by our regular farrier, BUT she was very bad for him even though he tried to keep her leg under her to work on. Her eyes were white all around and she was obviously scared. She was never the kind of horse you could scare into submission. The more you yelled at her or got after her, the worse she got. Unfortunately, this farrier moved to Vermont and we lost his patient handling. John was able to work with this horse himself, shoeing and later just trimming when she retired with little problem. She was a tall horse, so not difficult to work 'underneath'. And she trusted John more than she trusted most people. Realize this horse was >30 yrs old at this point and had had her feet tended to for as long as we owned her at age 6. She was difficult to shoe when we got her, having never had shoes. Patience on the part of the first farrier paid out big time in that after her 3rd shoeing she was no longer a problem. I have another oldster now who at 28 has severe arthritus and takes bute and MSM to keep him comfortable. He is difficult to do also, only in that he can't pull his foot out to the side anymore. As long as you stay under him he is OK. And yes, I have had a puncture wound from a nail. So have most of my horses, curtesy of farriers who have quicked them. And I have seen farriers get VERY cut up from horses pulling during the nail driving/twisting operation and understand the anger/fear when a horse is not quiet. Sorry to go on so long about this again. Martie in MD Joel Harman wrote: > This message is from: Joel Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > " She is always a little hard to do." > > So, Martie, What did the horse do that caused the farrier to smack it > in the belly? Could it have pulled it's foot through his legs while he > was trimming? Maybe he thinking about not having a foot pulled through > his legs while getting ready to twist the end of a nail. Sure makes a > bad puncture wound when that happens. > > I think it's great that you do your own now. Ever had a puncture wound > from a nail?
Standing while trimmed & bred mares
This message is from: Joel Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " She is always a little hard to do." So, Martie, What did the horse do that caused the farrier to smack it in the belly? Could it have pulled it's foot through his legs while he was trimming? Maybe he thinking about not having a foot pulled through his legs while getting ready to twist the end of a nail. Sure makes a bad puncture wound when that happens. I think it's great that you do your own now. Ever had a puncture wound from a nail? Bred mares & grain Beth Valentine, DVM , is a research vet at OSU in Corvallis OR recommends feeding any type of vegetable oil & alfalfa pellets instead of grain. Grain is mostly sugar - the 15 minute high. She recommends up to 1 cup /1000#. Adds fat to the diet. Look at for more info on this diet.
Re: Feeding pregnant mares
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I guess when feeding my mares, I try to keep in perspective that they are "airferns", as in Super Easy Keepers, and thus need to really rein myself in as far as feeding goes. In my current situation, my 4 mares (1 bred), are on constant turnout in a very havily grazed 25 acre pasture, with about 3 acres of it in natural sagebrush, and they drink from a stream. There is no roofed shelter for them, just willows, cottonwoods and the backside of the barn, and of course their heavy coat of yak hair, which IS just beginning to really shed out. They share the pasture with 14 cattle, (1 steer, 'Buster' & 1 bull, 'Zeus', and 12 preg. cows. The cows are fed sep. from the horses & "boy" cattle). The mares and the "boy" cattle all get fed 2 x day now, just grass hay, about 1.5 flake ea. per feeding. The mares are sharing the haypiles w/ cattle & really dominate them, (especially a young mare I have that my cutting friend can't wait to get his mitts on!) My pregnant mare, Tise, is given a very small ration of 2 c.whole oats & a serving of Select II vitamins, & I mix in a small amount of corn oil to bind the dry vitamins to oats. (This vitamin mix is produced locally here in Carson City, and is formulated for use with grass hays ONLY.) Tise is REALLY prone to fat, and so I am keeping an eye on her. I am still using TDI 10 for my stallion, just wanted to test out this other stuff. The other mares are not getting any supplements - they are as chunky and as healthy as can be! If I was exercising them on a more regular basis, than I think I would up some supplements into their diets, but as they are doing quite well, thank you, out in the pasture, I will leave things as are. Well, I have to go turn out the cows...it's snowing like crazy too! Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Feeding pregnant mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What are the professional breeders on the list feeding their pregnant mares? My mare Katrina is due to foal in early May (our first fjord baby) and my vet wants me to increase her grain big time. Currently she is getting 2 cups of grain (COB) a day with a scoop of Accell, she also gets 13 1/2 lbs (I weigh my hay) of grass hay a day spread over 3 feedings. We haven't been as active this winter, as we usually are, because of weather but her weight is good. Should I increase her grain or hay and if so by how much? Also while on the subject of feeding, because I have sand I feed Psyllium the first 7 days of the month. All the other fjords will eat it added to their grain except Katrina (this is not a pregnancy thing this has always been the case) I have tried every brand of Psyllium made in the country and have finally found one that is just plain without any flavoring and she will take this with her grain with 2 cups of dry bran added. I have tried every additive I can think off and this is what works. My question is, it is my understanding that too much bran can effect the joint of foals, could the bran that is getting affect the foal she is carrying. Maybe Steve can answer this one. Many Thanks. Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM
Re: Fertility - Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Ardeth, We live in northwestern Michigan, and normally have fairly mild summers. However, the year before last, we had a very hot season, and our foals were literally miserable. We decided to breed earlier last year as a consequence. We now have three mares, all dueNOWand we did not have one problem with them breeding or taking last year. As for daylight hours in the day during the winter, I believe we are up to about 9-10 in February. Hope this helps! Lynda Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231.689.9902 http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
Re: Fertility - Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Ardeth, We live in northwestern Michigan, and normally have fairly mild summers. However, the year before last, we had a very hot season, and our foals were literally miserable. We decided to breed earlier last year as a consequence. We now have three mares, all dueNOWand we did not have one problem with them breeding or taking last year. As for daylight hours in the day during the winter, I believe we are up to about 9-10 in February. Hope this helps! Lynda Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231.689.9902 http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
Re: Fertility - Mares
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Ernest wrote: > > > Hey, Mary! It's +20 degrees this morning and we have had very few days of > below zero weather this year! we sent it all down to you! > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where it is snowing! Hooray! > Hi Jean Thanks for the fine weather! We hit 20 below last night too. We also seem to have some snow this year... Best of both worlds? I changed my home page picture to a more "seasonal" one. I took a picture of the arena yesterday. So much snow that one of our dogs was on the roof. It's a ten foot wall on that side of the arena! Mark http://www.mariposafarm.com
Re: Fertility - Mares
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >While I can see that our mares are starting to show signs of cycling now, >their cycles later (May - June) are much stronger. I have been read (in articles in THE HORSE, and in a book on the reproduction in the mare) that mares will show signs of estrus (heat) in the winter and early spring, but they are going through a "transition period" in the late winter-early spring when their cycles maybe very extended but with no ovulation, as they prepare for the coming breeding season. Finally they do ovulate and then settle into the regular estrus cycles, so their fertility is at it's greatest later in the spring. Breeding in the "transition" period may not be as successful. Since the Northern areas have a longer winter and later spring, it might work the other way..with the Fjords and other northern breeds coming into full breeding status later in the year rather than earlier! Hey, Mary! It's +20 degrees this morning and we have had very few days of below zero weather this year! we sent it all down to you! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where it is snowing! Hooray! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fertility - Mares
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:22 PM 2/10/01 -0600, you wrote: >This message is from: "ARDETH OBENAUF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm hoping the fjords, coming from a more northerly >background may generally start cycling earlier in the season. Anyone >know anything about this? > >AO While I can see that our mares are starting to show signs of cycling now, their cycles later (May - June) are much stronger. I believe they do cycle all year, but the strength of the cycle is related to photoperiod. Vets? If they were bred in March for a February foal the risks would be greater. This morning it was -20F (-28C) and that would be a bit tough on a newborn. We regularly get cold and snow in April as well. The ice generally goes off the lakes by mid May, just in time for fishing opener. Jon and Mary in cold snowy Northeastern Minnesota where it might get up to +10F today!
Re: Fertility - Mares
This message is from: "cor cor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Please don't send us any mail. It is a mistake that we type our emailadress on the site. We would like to have a penpall, but we are on the wrong site I think. Yours sincerely Mathilde email [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "ARDETH OBENAUF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Fertility - Mares Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:22:58 -0600 This message is from: "ARDETH OBENAUF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> With all the talk about Fjord breed and fertility of stallions I have a question about mares. Do they begin to cycle earlier in the season than other breeds due to their northern roots? I have a mare I would like to try to breed in March and while this might be a tad early for my quarter horses, I'm hoping the fjords, coming from a more northerly background may generally start cycling earlier in the season. Anyone know anything about this? AO _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Fertility - Mares
This message is from: "ARDETH OBENAUF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> With all the talk about Fjord breed and fertility of stallions I have a question about mares. Do they begin to cycle earlier in the season than other breeds due to their northern roots? I have a mare I would like to try to breed in March and while this might be a tad early for my quarter horses, I'm hoping the fjords, coming from a more northerly background may generally start cycling earlier in the season. Anyone know anything about this? AO
Re: Stallions and Mares and more
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I was first calling around about a Fjord to buy (before Kilar), most of the ones advertised locally (within 300 miles) were smaller. I was willing to take anything over 13.2 but needed something well trained and with lots of experience and most of them were either riding or driving but not both. At that time I thought that most Fjords were in the 13-13.3 range. Since getting Kilar, I have seen lots of bigger Fjords. He is a nice 14.0 barefoot. And I still use a mounting block around the barn because it is easier on both of us than having me tug at the saddle to get on. He was a little confused about it when I got him - would turn to face me whenever I stood on the block, but he caught on quick. Martie in MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Fjords are being bred > increasingly taller (it would be interesting to see the average > height over the years, but I was originally looking for a Fjord on > the low end of the breed "average" and couldn't find ANY less than > 14 or 14.2 hands, and I've only seen two or three listed for sale > since then, while there've been plenty of 14 to 15+ hand ones)."
Re: Stallions and Mares and more
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:08 PM 2/4/01 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike you said... "I will have to say that there are some stallions that have a fair amount of influence though. There are probably 10 or so (I didn't count these) that have more than 1 page of mares. There are 6 mares to a page." Question how many of the 10 stallions have been evaluated? (They all have the Vet Cert. In... correct?) Ok I did more counting again. I should have played the lottery over the weekend I guess. After I did count to see how many stallions had more than 2 pages I found there are exactly 10 of them. 4 of them bred 7 mares 3 of them bred 8 mares 1 of them bred 10 mares 1 of them bred 11 mares 1 of them really had a good time & bred 18 mares. So that is 91 mares bred by 10 stallions or 9.1 mares per. 9 out of the ten have a Vet Certificate on file. 2 of them are Norwegian Evaluated (1 in Norway & 1 here) 1 of the above was also NFHR Evaluated 1 of them was Evaluated for conformation only at BE last year. The rest of them I don't think have been. I didn't look them all up but they do not have prizes listed & I don't remember them being in any of the Evaluations to date. Ok enough counting now I have to get some registrations in the mail. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stallions and Mares and more
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Catherine, I'd have to agree with that. Seems to me that many years ago the QH used to range 14 to 15 hands, and now are 16 plus. Same with Arabs, only more recently. Arabs didn't used to be much taller than the Fjords. They're striving for the 16 hand horses, also. Same with Curlies. Americans, for reasons beyond my compreshension, just seem to want larger horses. Unfortunately, it seems that to get the size, we sacrifice other qualities. Some "improvements", just aren't. Judy -Original Message- >*** Diana... I have a 13.1 mare for sale that does not get any action on the >sales list. But the Fjords I had listed at 15 hand had about 10 to 20 calls >a piece. I think they are making them big because the market is wanting them >big... (My thoughts on this... I would not mind other people commenting on >this subject.) > > >Catherine Lassesen > >
Stallions and Mares and more
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike you said... "I will have to say that there are some stallions that have a fair amount of influence though. There are probably 10 or so (I didn't count these) that have more than 1 page of mares. There are 6 mares to a page." Question how many of the 10 stallions have been evaluated? (They all have the Vet Cert. In... correct?) SANDRA.. I LOVE THAT MAGAZINE! The Horse is great! Anyone that does not get it should. I even told my vets to get it... They kept on asking me how I was so up on current Medical problems with horses and I said "I read the trades"... they took a look at THE HORSE and signed up ASAP to get it in the Vet's Office. Wow... There is a Fjord in a photo in the latest issue. It is an advertising on ... Left hand side 1 inch column by the length of the page . Diana said... "I'd known how far out of the range of possibility most of these horses were for me; second, that it looks like, as is the case with some other breeds such as the Canadian horse, the Fjords are being bred increasingly taller (it would be interesting to see the average height over the years, but I was originally looking for a Fjord on the low end of the breed "average" and couldn't find ANY less than 14 or 14.2 hands, and I've only seen two or three listed for sale since then, while there've been plenty of 14 to 15+ hand ones)." *** Diana... I have a 13.1 mare for sale that does not get any action on the sales list. But the Fjords I had listed at 15 hand had about 10 to 20 calls a piece. I think they are making them big because the market is wanting them big... (My thoughts on this... I would not mind other people commenting on this subject.) Catherine Lassesen
RE: Purdy mares
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w > That is the story as I remember hearing it anyway. > This was way before I > even knew what a Fjord Horse was. Maybe some of the > people on the list > that have been into the Fjords longer than I have > know more details on it. The person to ask would be Nancy Lehnert. She seems well versed on the subject, and answered several questions I had about Purdy mares, since my horses that were offspring of Rusten had a "Purdy mare" hole in their pedigrees. Nothing to be ashamed of, I might add! Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: Purdy mares
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Mike. The American Bashkir Curly registry did something similar with a man named Demale. (That could be spelled incorrectly.) Judy -Original Message- > >Back in the earlier days of the Fjord in the US there was a breeder by the >name of Bob Purdy (I am fairly sure it was Bob anyway). There was a fire >at the Purdy ranch that destroyed all of the breeding records of the >horses. Since that was before DNA typing was even thought of they had no >way to know the parentage of the horses any longer. They did know they >were pure bred Fjords though. So since there were so few Fjords in the US >at that time at all the original members of the registry decided to allow >the offspring of these horses to be registered even though there real >identities were unknown. > >That is the story as I remember hearing it anyway. This was way before I >even knew what a Fjord Horse was. Maybe some of the people on the list >that have been into the Fjords longer than I have know more details on it. > >Mike > > > >=== > >Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry >Mike May, Registrar >Voice 716-872-4114 >FAX 716-787-0497 > >http://www.nfhr.com >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
RE: Purdy mares
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:23 PM 1/27/01 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike, I've been browsing through the pedigrees on the web, and occasionally see "Purdy mare", sometimes with nothing beyond that mare. Could you enlighten me on that, please? Thanks, Judy Back in the earlier days of the Fjord in the US there was a breeder by the name of Bob Purdy (I am fairly sure it was Bob anyway). There was a fire at the Purdy ranch that destroyed all of the breeding records of the horses. Since that was before DNA typing was even thought of they had no way to know the parentage of the horses any longer. They did know they were pure bred Fjords though. So since there were so few Fjords in the US at that time at all the original members of the registry decided to allow the offspring of these horses to be registered even though there real identities were unknown. That is the story as I remember hearing it anyway. This was way before I even knew what a Fjord Horse was. Maybe some of the people on the list that have been into the Fjords longer than I have know more details on it. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Macho Mares ; /
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > # 7- Mares and stallions should be vet checked for teeth and testicles > before they begin breeding, say at age two. > >> > > O M G. My entire herd of mares just failed this check. Teeth all > OK, but those testicles are missing in action. ( Both Stallions intact in > this area though ) Now, teats dont count do they ? I don't think Bob van Bon would appreciate their size. ;-) Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO http://www.starfirefarm.com
Macho Mares ; /
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/25/01 5:35:14 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << # 7- Mares and stallions should be vet checked for teeth and testicles before they begin breeding, say at age two. >> O M G. My entire herd of mares just failed this check. Teeth all OK, but those testicles are missing in action. ( Both Stallions intact in this area though ) Now, teats dont count do they ? * couldnt resist Carol, although Ive set world records in mispelling and typos here ! Lisa Pedersen
" Mares eat Oats....and Pigs eat Goats...'
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-10-10 11:53:57 EDT, you write: << Considering my experience with raising pigs I believe you might > get rid of the acorns but the additional management problems resulting from > pigs would be more difficult than just cleaning up the acorns. How about goats? will they eat them? >> WHAT ? GOATS EAT PIGS OMG, we never knew. Lisa Pedersen Cedar City, UTAH, cool, blustery, rain on and off, beautiful double rainbows over Kolob and Zion.
Re: Older mares foaling
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raising an orphan is > not a lot of fun!! That is > precisely why I have decided not to breed our 24 > year old King Herald mare > anymore. She likely would be able to give us a few > more of her lovely foals, > but I would never forgive myself if she died because > I selfishly required her > to give us just one more baby. She loves being a > mom and is a great > broodmare, but she has served us well through the > years and feel that she > deserves to retire and enjoy her remaining time with > us. Amen to that! That is exactly why we retired Line at 23 - her last foal was a normal pregnancy, somewhat more difficult than normal delivery, and a real drain on her to raise. We weaned that one at three months because Line was a rack of bones trying to feed the filly. For those wondering about 'when to retire mares' - we decided to retire Line at 23 based on three things: 1) Increasing difficulty in getting her in foal. 2) The advancement of arthitis in her hocks, making late pregnancy uncomfortable for her. 3)Increasing difficulty for the mare in foaling/raising the foal. When the mare is 'shutting down' physically(fewer fertile heats and less lactation after foaling) then it's time to 'pull the plug' on the foal factory. Time to let the 'old girl' enjoy what time she has left. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: older mares and pregnancy
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/12/00 6:02:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << PS...As a side note here...how old is TOO old to breed a mare (on purpose that is...)? Any other opinions out there? I'm thinking maybe around 19 to 20 is time to quit? Even that seems old. There would have to be trouble with an older mare's pregnancy, jeopardizing the health of baby and mom? I've heard of ruptures...a friends mare died this year of that very thing! Scary and very, very sad. >> I adore Nikki. She's had, I think 6 foals in the past (one on our property). But had a rough time withretaining placenta. She's 15 years old, and I've been back and forth about breeding her again. I think we'll just keep her, and ride her till she becomes a pasture ornament. Pamela
Older mares foaling
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/12/00 1:11:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << It is not likely, but possible that she could have conceived. Considering her age, I don't know if I would let her continue if she did. At this stage it would be no trouble to terminate it. To carry it full term could be another story. The incidence of uterine artery rupture greatly increases after 20 yrs of age, as well as other delivering problems. Better get things checked out soon! Steve White >> Hi, I grimaced when I read about the possibility of this old mare being in foal. Personally, I would not hesitate to terminate if the mare is indeed in foal. I lost a QH mare several years ago to uterine artery rupture. Her foal was 18 hours old when she died. Raising an orphan is not a lot of fun!! That is precisely why I have decided not to breed our 24 year old King Herald mare anymore. She likely would be able to give us a few more of her lovely foals, but I would never forgive myself if she died because I selfishly required her to give us just one more baby. She loves being a mom and is a great broodmare, but she has served us well through the years and feel that she deserves to retire and enjoy her remaining time with us. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
older mares and pregnancy
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The 96 days are up this month so will know shortly. At any > rate, the mare is old and does not have that much time left anyway. And she > does love babies. Hi there...Ummm, I would think the vet could just palpate the mare to let you know if she really is pregnant...no time to waste, I'd think. It sounds as though you love this mare and are telling yourself she'd be happier with a baby, but at this OLD age, it doesn't seem fair to continue with the pregnancy. Kinder not to let this continuenothing personal...just my opinion. I'm wishing for the best for you and your mare. Ingrid ;o) PS...As a side note here...how old is TOO old to breed a mare (on purpose that is...)? Any other opinions out there? I'm thinking maybe around 19 to 20 is time to quit? Even that seems old. There would have to be trouble with an older mare's pregnancy, jeopardizing the health of baby and mom? I've heard of ruptures...a friends mare died this year of that very thing! Scary and very, very sad.
Re: Transporting mares in foal
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Donna, my maiden mare, a thoroughbred, was beaten, tried to go through a wire fence and no one treated her open wound, she was fed God only knows what as she lost close to two hundred pounds and was skin and bone, her mane and tail could be pulled out easily and my Vet did a caslicks (sewed up the opening to the vagina,) as she was so thin she was tipped. We had four people trying to get her into my trailer for the ninety mile trip home from this fancy breeding place.. I was not even sure she had been bred at this facility and the Vet felt there was no way she could have conceived in this condition. Seven months later she colicked in full flesh and healthy again. The Vet examined her, got a funny look on his face and asked if I knew she was in foal? Four months later Charley was foaled. So I hardly think a trip like you are speaking of, if she is in good health, will affect your mare. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Transporting mares in foal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I am new to this group. I have just bought a mare from Sweden who was covered by a Swedish stallion (Knast Halsnaes) before I bought her. She travelled through Sweden (11hours), then rested overnight, then by boat to Denmark (7 hours), then onto Germany where she rested 6 hours, from there she went through Belgium and to France and crossed the English Channel then travelled straight to Wolverhampton where she rested overnight, then onto the Scottish borders with another transporter and then rested overnight and then up to me in the North East of Scotland!! It was quite a trip which took 5 days altogether. The vet recommended to me that she be at least 40 days gestation before she travelled. I would also recommend that you pick a reputable transporter as this can make all the difference. My mare lost some weight during transport, but faired better than the other horses on the trip. Anyway, good luck! Linda Bain
Re: Transporting mares in foal
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think there is some risk of the stress of travel affecting the pregnancy. In a past issue of THE HORSE (can't remember which one, but I could look it up some day) there was a study about this and they gave the mare supplemental progesterone ( I think) to help maintain the pregnancy, as the stress affected the hormones and caused the failure of the pregnancy. Ask your vet, or a good expert on equine reproduction. Several years ago I had Stella down in Wasilla , AK to be bred, some 300 miles, a day's drive away. I went down and picked her up to bring her back home shortly after she was bred, had her ultrasounded at 21 days and she looked to be pregnant, but resorbed after that time. Was it the travel? or would she have lost it anyway? I don't know. But the travel might have caused it. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, cool this morning after many showers yesterday, 40 degrees! At 07:08 AM 7/25/2000 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "Donna Tauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi List >Got a question I hope somebody can help me with. Is it safe to transport >a mare a long distance ( like maybe 1500 miles ) soon after she has been >bred .I seem to recall reading somewhere or hearing that it is best to >wait at least 60 days or there is a great chance that the fetus could be >reabsorbed. Anyone have any experience with this ? >Thanks >Donna > > > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Transporting mares in foal
This message is from: "Donna Tauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List Got a question I hope somebody can help me with. Is it safe to transport a mare a long distance ( like maybe 1500 miles ) soon after she has been bred .I seem to recall reading somewhere or hearing that it is best to wait at least 60 days or there is a great chance that the fetus could be reabsorbed. Anyone have any experience with this ? Thanks Donna
Alabama & mares and stallions
This message is from: DPS Valued Customer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all ... we finally got rain ... it rained yesterday and much of the night! It was much needed. I found someone to mow my pasture until we get a tractor. The brown thrashers in my forsythia and the green herons in my pond have raised their babies and flown away. The plums and peaches are wormy beyond repair (next year we'll work on them), but I have harvested home-grown asparagus that was a surprising delight and will be much anticipated every spring. I've picked bowls and bowls of delicious strawberries, and now I'm working on the blueberries which I eat like potato chips, no sugar or anything I love them so much. The grapes and pecans are still to come. I have no horses out back for the first time in three years! It is so strange. Dorina is at Dr. Brian's visiting Leif. Leif sired Julie Will's Woodstock winning mare, Bragda. NFR Aagot is at Phil Prichard's visiting Eggeprins. Dave McWethy's two beautiful mares, Signe and Mari, http://www.horseharness.com/ , were both sired by Prince. Boy, how I miss my ladies ... sigh. Phil came to pick Aagot up Saturday. It took her a minute to get into her first two-horse, straight load trailer, it was a tighter fit than the open stock trailers she has been trnsported in before. Once again she made me proud, trailering without a problem. Phil prepared a nice paddock just for my Aagot because he had moved to his new farm last November and wasn't anticipating outside mares. Aagot was so pretty when she was turned out with Prince. She immediately picked up on the 'Me Tarzan, you Jane' stuff ... and flirt ... ? She was so cute, she'd bite him, he'd turn to tell her to quit, she'd squeal. She loved it when he herded her around. She'd get going so fast, running faster than she ever did with Dorina goofing off in their paddock in Tennessee. I didn't know she could run so fast, it was like thunder when they came by! They touched noses with arched necks, I got a lot of photo's but they were both dirty ... the dummies! He wanted her to know what the stallion thing was all about, but at the same time he was such a gentleman. He was very sweet and non-demanding, that's what I was hoping for with an older stallion and a maiden mare. She was so happy there, with Princes attention and other Fjord horses to see and talk to ... even better than endless grass, a nice old barn and cows to rub noses with! And it looks like Eggeprins and Aagot should compliment each other because he is strong where she is weak. She might add a little body to the mix but he is very strong in expression, bone and hoof department. I found a very nice Western tack shop a short drive away. I bought Aagot her first bridle, a nice little, thick, harness leather, Circle Y with an ear piece and no throatlatch. It looks so sharp on her. I wanted the brow band but it didn't fit her, so I traded it for the ear piece bridle. Now I want to order another ear piece so there is one for each ear ... I have 'a thing' about lop-sided things! Casey, please e-mail me. I have lost all my e-mail once again. Steve and I have been jumping in the car and exploring the state forest just south of us and it looks like horseback riding heaven! Hopefully we will get some rides in this autumn! I am horse hunting - mare, trained, large boned, breeding, trails, sweetheart. Feel free to load my mailbox with photos, pedigrees, videos, etc.! Meredith Sessoms 5415 County Road 87 Moulton . Alabama . USA ph: 256-974-0852
Re: Inducing Overdue Mares
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cheryl Beillard wrote: > My mare has still not foaled (day 14 past her due date) .. and I'm heading > off for Nairobi on business for nearly a month, next Friday. The question I > have for the List is whether any of you breeders out there ever induce your > horses? There is a section on inducing labor in The Complete Book of Foaling by Karen Hayes DVM. According to this book there are two factors that must be in place before a decision to induce can be made: Foal Readiness & Mare Readiness. The author says "Never forget that the mare gives birth in response to foal readiness rather than the numbers on a calendar." Foal readiness refers to a number of things, including the foal's completed physical development. The foal may be one that requires, say, 355 days to reach maximum survivability. Foal readiness also relates to his position in the uterus, and his stage of preparation for the positional changes he will have to make in order to get through the birth canal correctly. During the two or three weeks prior to birth the foal is exercising the muscles of his neck and forelimbs to practice and strengthen his ability to extend his head and forelimbs into the birth canal so that they will be in that position when the mare rotates him onto his side. If labor is induced before the foal has had enough practice at these exercises, he will surely be in the wrong position when the induced labor contractions begin. Mare readiness is judged by the state of her udder, the character of the liquid it contains and the state of the cervix. Much of the hormonal recipe that goes into preparing the mare's body for birth is actually little understood by science - so you have to wait until the milk and the cervix are in delivery mode before trying to induce the next step. I keep hoping that she'll foal before you have to leave - but if she doesn't maybe you could take her to your friends to foal out when you are gone? Lori
Re: Inducing Overdue Mares
This message is from: "griet vandenbroucke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> don't worry, my mare went 44 days over the foalingdate last year and everything went just fine, the only thing that was not ok was myself being unpatient lot's of fjordings Griet from belgium -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Cheryl Beillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: 4 mei 2000 18:33 Onderwerp: Inducing Overdue Mares >This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >My mare has still not foaled (day 14 past her due date) .. and I'm heading >off for Nairobi on business for nearly a month, next Friday. The question I >have for the List is whether any of you breeders out there ever induce your >horses? My vet is suggesting if the cervix is open, we should. If it's >not, she can't. My intuition is to let nature take its course .. the mare >looks fine, is eating well and there are visible tremors, kicks and other >signs of life in her belly. I've seen two little drops of clear liquid on >one teat, several nights, but that's it. Nothing more. I am desperate to >see this foal arrive and spend some time handling it before I have to >abandon it to my less experienced hubby (and I love her more) ..While I have >friends who breed warm bloods and others willing to come and work with the >baby, should it get here, ever, while I 'm away, I 'm wondering whether I >should yield to the vet.. For the moment, it seems like I'd be pushing my >luck to do anything when there is nothing patently wrong, it's just taking >SO long. Any views out there? > >
Inducing Overdue Mares
This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My mare has still not foaled (day 14 past her due date) .. and I'm heading off for Nairobi on business for nearly a month, next Friday. The question I have for the List is whether any of you breeders out there ever induce your horses? My vet is suggesting if the cervix is open, we should. If it's not, she can't. My intuition is to let nature take its course .. the mare looks fine, is eating well and there are visible tremors, kicks and other signs of life in her belly. I've seen two little drops of clear liquid on one teat, several nights, but that's it. Nothing more. I am desperate to see this foal arrive and spend some time handling it before I have to abandon it to my less experienced hubby (and I love her more) ..While I have friends who breed warm bloods and others willing to come and work with the baby, should it get here, ever, while I 'm away, I 'm wondering whether I should yield to the vet.. For the moment, it seems like I'd be pushing my luck to do anything when there is nothing patently wrong, it's just taking SO long. Any views out there? ps Who out there is dealing with black flies and udders? Poor Soleia, in fact, both my mares, had black flies and crusted blood all over their udders last night. I washed them both and rubbed them dry and they were visibly relieved. But I hesitate to put any spray or other products on such a sensitive area (particularly one that a nursing foal may encounter any time now?) SO.. what does one do? Those of you who don't have black flies, don't know how lucky you are .. for 2-3 weeks of the year it is a PLAGUE!
Mares, again
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just read this on the CD-L and had to copy it to Fjord-L since we had the discussion about mare attitude: From:Satin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ask,tell,demand ROFL! A friend went to 1999 SICAB in Spain (the Spanish Horse (as in Andalusian) Nationals a few months ago. After a watching a fabulous High School Exhibition, my friend asked the reknowned trainer (sorry, don't remember his name) why, in Spain, they ride only stallions and either drive the mares in harness or do nothing but breed them. He said "Oh, Senora, the mares, they are too DIFFicult - they have oPINions. The stallions, you tell them what you want, and they do it. The mares, they want to know WHY..." *** Jean in sunny but windy Fairbanks, Alaska, where the melt goes on..and on and on... Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mares' udders
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just had to comment on this one! >What to poor wild horses do without people to perform all > these oddments to them? >Straddle a bush and scritch back and forth. Our older mare Ellinor has a cute little habit that goes right along with this. We have several small fir saplings in our pasture that are covered from tip to stump with hair! Ellinor will walk up to them and push them over with her chest, then proceed to straddle them and bend them over in order to scratch her belly! She'll stop a minute to rock back and forth, then continue on to let the tree make a full swipe between her hind legs. Then she'll continue on and do the same thing with the other two little firs, and sometimes even make a second circuit! I just have to try to get pictures now!! It's a riot to watch. Amy Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud, Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: mares udders
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if figured the same about the black gunk too. just sweat and dirt. i'd hate to be a suckling foal and not have a clean mama yuck!!! denise
Re: mares udders
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thanks lori. denise
Re: mares udders
This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was once told to flake off the gunky stuff with your fingers. Slather the udder with cooking oil (forgot what type, don't see that it would matter). Let it set and soak in for a half hour or so. Flake off the rest of the gunky stuff with fingers. Then gently clense the udder with warm, mild, soapy water and a soft rag or very soft brush. Rinse very, very well. That should take care of any discomfort and/or clean the mare up for a little suckling to be. If there are raw spots in the folds of the udder, I wouldn't treat it with anything harsh, perhaps your vet can recommend an ointment you can pick up at the drug store that wouldn't be irritating down there. I believe the guck they collect is simply caused by sweat and dust they kick up onto themselves. >>><<< Meredith Sessoms >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot
