Re: [Flexradio] Them or me?

[Steven Hess]

Well two people on the WSPR Chat pointed out this looks like the bands are
60 cycles apart and the AC to his power supply is coupling into his poorly
shielded or inadequately earthed TX audio line.

I was more concerned if I had an issue with my RX in the presence of a
strong signal.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Brian Lloyd  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Ron Kolarik  wrote:
>
>> My vote is for them.S-9 WSPR signal??
>
>
> I was S-9 on a 15m Olivia QSO while running 5W. I forgot to change the
> power level from where it was when running WSPR. Even a QRP signal can be
> S-9 under good conditions so don't assume that the WSPR signal was at fault.
>
> --
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> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> br...@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
>



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[Flexradio] UNGAWA !!!

[dan edwards]

i was chatting on ON4KST low bandand mentioned 9H1 would be nice on 160m

BANG! in the logi WILL die a happy man !!

73, w5xz, < 1/2 acre, Longview, Tc

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Re: [Flexradio] Them or me?

[Brian Lloyd]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Ron Kolarik  wrote:

> My vote is for them.S-9 WSPR signal??


I was S-9 on a 15m Olivia QSO while running 5W. I forgot to change the
power level from where it was when running WSPR. Even a QRP signal can be
S-9 under good conditions so don't assume that the WSPR signal was at fault.

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Re: [Flexradio] microphones and headsets..my observations

[Brian Lloyd]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Don Baughman  wrote:

> I have been using headsets for years with all my radios including all 3 of
> the Flex radios.  I presently use a Heil ProSet with a HC-5 element with
> great success.  I have tried using electret-based (computer-type) headsets
> with mixed results on the Flexes.  It's true that all 3 Flex Radios provide
> +5 volts on the mic plugs to bias the elements and it's a simple matter to
> AC-couple the audio by an RC network into the audio input of the radios,


You don't even need to AC couple it as the Flex radios have a coupling
capacitor inside already, Just connect a resistor from bias to mic+ and you
are off and running.


> but the 5K in particular has a problem when doing this.  There is a
> low-level 1KHz tone on the audio (from the 5 volt line) and no matter I try
> I can't get rid of it.


My 5K does not have a problem.


> The 3 K also had this problem but I believe Flex came up with a mod for it
> because I noted this problem on a trouble sheet when I sent it back to the
> factory for another issue, and when it came back from repair the tone was
> gone when using an electret mic.  The Flex 1.5k works fine with any
> computer headset I have used, and it gets great audio reports. I would
> recommend the Heil products for ease of use and great audio quality. The
> built-in equalizers, processors, and noise reduction in the radios allow
> you to make them sound any way you want.  Has anyone else seen this
> "electret" tone in their 5K??
>

No.

By the way, it is OK to erase all the other messages in the digest before
you post your answer.

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Re: [Flexradio] Linear amp for Flex 1500

[Bob Logan]

I found a 405 and matching PS this summer at Austin Summerfest.  It's a good 
little and gives all the power I need.  Runs with my Argo 509, HW-8, and K2 as 
well as the 1500. Gives reduced power on WARC band but greater than the K2's 10 
watts or the Flex's 5.

Bob. NZ5A 

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On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:40 PM, "joe_hank...@lexcominc.net" 
 wrote:

> For those considering an amplifier for their 1500, I've found the Ten-Tec 405 
> to fit the bill quite nicely.  With the 1500, it delivers 30-50 clean watts. 
> All it requires is 12 volts at 8 amps, and is quite compact. It's got both a 
> power meter and an SWR meter, and has a band switch for 10-80 meters.  There 
> is a matching power supply, but you don't need it.  I found mine at a hamfest 
> for $125  this summer.
> 
> Sorry if this subject has already been covered, but I just started Flexing a 
> few weeks ago.
> 
> Joe
> KN4JH
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Re: [Flexradio] Them or me?

[Ron Kolarik]

My vote is for them.S-9 WSPR signal?? Way too many WSPR
transmissions are overdriven.  Why anyone needs to run yet
another beacon service is beyond me, especially on 30m.

Ron
K0IDT


- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Hess" 

To: "FlexRadio reflector" 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:53 PM
Subject: [Flexradio] Them or me?



The panafall screen capture at the URL was in the presence of a S-9 signal.
Was it PowerSDR, my Flex-3000 or their signal causing these images to
appear in the panafall?

http://www.slhess.com/pictures/KE6GLA.jpg

Their signal is not distorted.

Steven

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[Flexradio] Them or me?

[Steven Hess]

The panafall screen capture at the URL was in the presence of a S-9 signal.
Was it PowerSDR, my Flex-3000 or their signal causing these images to
appear in the panafall?

http://www.slhess.com/pictures/KE6GLA.jpg

Their signal is not distorted.

Steven

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Re: [Flexradio] microphones & headsets - connect to radio or computer?

[Bill Ackerman]

Thanks, Tim. Some additional discussion if you don't mind:

1. More input lines on PC
True, but the input is digital. Am I right that digital input into the 
PC would be less susceptible to RFI than analog input into the radio? 
Regardless, RFI has not reared its ugly head in my shack, but I've 
slapped ferrite cores on everything too slow to outrun me.


2. D/A and A/Ds in radio have greater dynamic range
These are professional, studio-quality audio devices, not the best, but 
good enough for my ears. I have tried hard and failed to detect any 
difference when using the same headphones attached to the computer vs. 
the radio. Haven't tried connecting a mic directly to the radio.


3.  I'm way too inexperienced in this hobby to look at digital modes 
yet, but I think I understand your point. Has Flex considered including 
VAC configuration in Transmit profiles or some similar method so one 
could simplify switching between voice and digital modes.


4. For folks like you who don't like eggnog, you might want to try 
Rompope, a Mexican concoction that is quite tasty. Originally made by 
nuns. No mistletoe allowed in that convent!


73
Bill KF5MTW

Tim Ellison, W4TME wrote:
If your PC and external sound devices do not impart unacceptable 
latency, then the only real "cons" for configuring the AF signal paths 
this way are:


- More input lines on the PC that can be ingress points for RFI
- The D/A and A/Ds in the FLEX-3000 probably have greater dynamic 
range than the USB sound devices.
- VAC I/O channels consumed for phone and speakers.  Have to 
reconfigure for digital modes.


My comments were not eggnog influenced.  I hate the stuff.  I'd rather 
hunt out the mistletoe :-)


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On 12/8/2011 6:44 PM, Bill Ackerman wrote:
So I'm a little confused about the advantages of connecting audio 
directly to the radio (but note I'm very new to this hobby and to my 
Flex 3000). My microphone, speakers, and headphones are all connected 
directly to my computer through USB ports (I have no sound card and 
have disabled the motherboard audio controller). There is no A/D 
audio conversion done by the computer - it all is outboard:


- Zoom H4N converts XLR mic (PR40), inputs to computer via USB port
- Speakers (Alesis M1 520USB) connects via USB port
- Headphones connect to a jack on the USB speakers
- Windows 7 Direct Sound is configured in PowerSDR VAC setup to use 
these devices for all audio I/O

- I have configured one of the buttons on my mouse to be "MOX"

I really like the convenience of using the same computer and audio 
gear for my radio as I do for my audio/video editing without having 
to crawl around and switch cables. The only thing I have to do is 
activate the VAC button to switch everything over to the radio and 
press MOX on my mouse to xmit. Since I have fewer cables connected to 
the radio, the opportunities for RFI may be less.


When I transmit, I do not enable "MON". If I do, there is a very 
slight delay whether or not I am listening through the computer or 
with headphones connected directly to the Flex 3000, so I assume the 
delay is in the mic path. But I'm not sure I want to hear my voice 
through the headphones.


I'm still learning Morse and CW, but when I have "MON" enabled, there 
is no detectable delay in hearing my transmissions. Granted I've got 
a pretty powerful computer. Once I figured out how to balance the 
different audio stages, this setup has worked perfectly for my modest 
efforts to date.


Do others want to hear their voice through the headphones? Are others 
using their computer for audio I/O and if not, why not? Does eggnog 
play a role in your decision?


73,
Bill KF5MTW

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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Ron Kolarik]

Ayup

Ron
K0IDT


- Original Message - 
From: "Ross Stenberg" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise



I think that Burt wins the award for brevity.

On 12/8/2011 11:09 AM, Burt wrote:

No keep going, I am one of your greatest fans
Burt

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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Brian Lloyd]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Ross Stenberg wrote:

> I think that Burt wins the award for brevity.
>

Mmmm, egg nog.

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Re: [Flexradio] microphones & headsets - connect to radio or computer?

[Tim Ellison, W4TME]

If your PC and external sound devices do not impart unacceptable 
latency, then the only real "cons" for configuring the AF signal paths 
this way are:


- More input lines on the PC that can be ingress points for RFI
- The D/A and A/Ds in the FLEX-3000 probably have greater dynamic range 
than the USB sound devices.
- VAC I/O channels consumed for phone and speakers.  Have to reconfigure 
for digital modes.


My comments were not eggnog influenced.  I hate the stuff.  I'd rather 
hunt out the mistletoe :-)


-Tim
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Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223
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Web: www.flexradio.com 

logo


On 12/8/2011 6:44 PM, Bill Ackerman wrote:
So I'm a little confused about the advantages of connecting audio 
directly to the radio (but note I'm very new to this hobby and to my 
Flex 3000). My microphone, speakers, and headphones are all connected 
directly to my computer through USB ports (I have no sound card and 
have disabled the motherboard audio controller). There is no A/D audio 
conversion done by the computer - it all is outboard:


- Zoom H4N converts XLR mic (PR40), inputs to computer via USB port
- Speakers (Alesis M1 520USB) connects via USB port
- Headphones connect to a jack on the USB speakers
- Windows 7 Direct Sound is configured in PowerSDR VAC setup to use 
these devices for all audio I/O

- I have configured one of the buttons on my mouse to be "MOX"

I really like the convenience of using the same computer and audio 
gear for my radio as I do for my audio/video editing without having to 
crawl around and switch cables. The only thing I have to do is 
activate the VAC button to switch everything over to the radio and 
press MOX on my mouse to xmit. Since I have fewer cables connected to 
the radio, the opportunities for RFI may be less.


When I transmit, I do not enable "MON". If I do, there is a very 
slight delay whether or not I am listening through the computer or 
with headphones connected directly to the Flex 3000, so I assume the 
delay is in the mic path. But I'm not sure I want to hear my voice 
through the headphones.


I'm still learning Morse and CW, but when I have "MON" enabled, there 
is no detectable delay in hearing my transmissions. Granted I've got a 
pretty powerful computer. Once I figured out how to balance the 
different audio stages, this setup has worked perfectly for my modest 
efforts to date.


Do others want to hear their voice through the headphones? Are others 
using their computer for audio I/O and if not, why not? Does eggnog 
play a role in your decision?


73,
Bill KF5MTW

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[Flexradio] microphones & headsets - connect to radio or computer?

[Bill Ackerman]

So I'm a little confused about the advantages of connecting audio 
directly to the radio (but note I'm very new to this hobby and to my 
Flex 3000). My microphone, speakers, and headphones are all connected 
directly to my computer through USB ports (I have no sound card and have 
disabled the motherboard audio controller). There is no A/D audio 
conversion done by the computer - it all is outboard:


- Zoom H4N converts XLR mic (PR40), inputs to computer via USB port
- Speakers (Alesis M1 520USB) connects via USB port
- Headphones connect to a jack on the USB speakers
- Windows 7 Direct Sound is configured in PowerSDR VAC setup to use 
these devices for all audio I/O

- I have configured one of the buttons on my mouse to be "MOX"

I really like the convenience of using the same computer and audio gear 
for my radio as I do for my audio/video editing without having to crawl 
around and switch cables. The only thing I have to do is activate the 
VAC button to switch everything over to the radio and press MOX on my 
mouse to xmit. Since I have fewer cables connected to the radio, the 
opportunities for RFI may be less.


When I transmit, I do not enable "MON". If I do, there is a very slight 
delay whether or not I am listening through the computer or with 
headphones connected directly to the Flex 3000, so I assume the delay is 
in the mic path. But I'm not sure I want to hear my voice through the 
headphones.


I'm still learning Morse and CW, but when I have "MON" enabled, there is 
no detectable delay in hearing my transmissions. Granted I've got a 
pretty powerful computer. Once I figured out how to balance the 
different audio stages, this setup has worked perfectly for my modest 
efforts to date.


Do others want to hear their voice through the headphones? Are others 
using their computer for audio I/O and if not, why not? Does eggnog play 
a role in your decision?


73,
Bill KF5MTW

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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Ross Stenberg]

I think that Burt wins the award for brevity.

On 12/8/2011 11:09 AM, Burt wrote:

No keep going, I am one of your greatest fans
Burt

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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Tim McDonough N9PUZ]

The egg nog just adds some color to the alcohol so it's easier to tell 
when your glass is empty.


Tim N9PUZ

On 12/8/2011 3:36 PM, Burt wrote:



Are you supposed to add alcohol to the egg nog?
--- On Thu, 12/8/11, William H. Fite  wrote:


Bottom line:  If you think it is going to bother you,
it is going to bother you.

I recommend eggnog therapy in all such cases.  Two or
three cups and
you won't give a damn whether the fans are noisy or
not.  Another two
or three and you won't care if the fans are even running or
not.  Your
gear, however, will care...

Bill



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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Larry Otto]

Brian :

Because of the US Rifle,  caliber 30, M1, Sir ! -  Fan noise doesn't seem to 
be a problem with me.


We didn't even think about ear plugs.

73
W8LO
Larry
- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Lloyd" 

To: "Lee Mushel" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise


On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Lee Mushel  
wrote:



Gentlemen,

I think we have enough opinions on the subject of fan noise now so that
conclusions can be drawn and we can move on to other subjects like 1500 
CW

problems, what microphone to use and several others of your choice.



Don't forget egg nog recipes!



I will admit to being fascinated by some of the comments since I have had
no ability to hear anything above 14 kHz since qualifying with the "U.S.
Rifle, caliber 30 M-1, Sir" some 55 years ago.   I  have always marveled 
at
the quietness of the 3000 and 5000A.   I can detect no fan noise 
whatever.

 But I am certain that with some 13 fan-containing devices in the shack
there must be some detectable sound.   But I've decided that the most
reasonable course of action to take is to ignore the possibility since 
such

worry would be as silly and pointless as concentrating on similar noise
coming from the XYL that I've been married to for some 49 years!



You know, there is a cure for that!




I find this reflector to be most entertaining and informative.



Absolutely! (Where is that glass of egg nog ...)

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Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000

[Jim Jannuzzo]

Or  you could buy four silicon "fan screw replacers" from Newegg for 5 bucks.  
They also oop out without a trace.  
 > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:09:40 -0500
> To: omni...@gmail.com; brett.gazdzin...@verizon.net
> From: jefland...@comcast.net
> CC: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000
> 
> Damper mounts are pretty easy to make with RTV Silicone if there is 
> enough room around the fan - unscrew it, suspend it, put globs of the 
> RTV to support it, then let it thoroughly set before removing the 
> temporary "suspenders".
> 
> Not recommended while under warranty. Also might not withstand 
> shipping stress. But very good for homebrew stuff or if you 
> ABSOLUTELY need something quieter.
> 
> I have not seen the insides of the 3000 and don't know if this would 
> work with it.
> 
> Jerry W4UK
> 
> At 11:54 AM 12/8/2011, William H. Fite wrote:
> >One could doubtless get quieter fans with damper mounts, as well, but
> >I'd want guidance from FRS to assure that they met the airflow
> >requirements.
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[William H. Fite]

We've already added lots but, sure, pour in some more.



On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Burt  wrote:

>
>
> Are you supposed to add alcohol to the egg nog?
> --- On Thu, 12/8/11, William H. Fite  wrote:
>
> > Bottom line:  If you think it is going to bother you,
> > it is going to bother you.
> >
> > I recommend eggnog therapy in all such cases.  Two or
> > three cups and
> > you won't give a damn whether the fans are noisy or
> > not.  Another two
> > or three and you won't care if the fans are even running or
> > not.  Your
> > gear, however, will care...
> >
> > Bill
> >
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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Burt]

Are you supposed to add alcohol to the egg nog?
--- On Thu, 12/8/11, William H. Fite  wrote:

> Bottom line:  If you think it is going to bother you,
> it is going to bother you.
> 
> I recommend eggnog therapy in all such cases.  Two or
> three cups and
> you won't give a damn whether the fans are noisy or
> not.  Another two
> or three and you won't care if the fans are even running or
> not.  Your
> gear, however, will care...
> 
> Bill
>

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Re: [Flexradio] Amendment to Alternate WSPR programs

[Steven Hess]

John

I am pretty sure WSPR asks what directory you want to install WSPR to
during the installation process. Tell it WSPR2 then navigate to the folder
it installs in and link the exe from WSPR2 to your desktop after the
install. You will have two config files and can avoid having to change
thing every time you want to change rigs.You also can run two instance of
WSPR at the same time this way if your computer can handle it.

I am running two instances of WSPR here on my Windows 7 64 system. I made
some some stub filters and operate on 30 and 20 meters at the same time no
problems. I am currently WSPRing on 10, 20 and 30 meters. One instanse of
WSPR is running on my Linux machine.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Brian Lloyd  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:36 AM, John Pratt  wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> > I need to rephrase a question that I just posted concerning two WSPR
> > programs on the same computer. I do not intend to run these at the same
> > time, just wanted to have one configured for the Flex rig and one
> > configured for the Icom which uses a conventional interface and the
> > computer sound card.
> >
>
> Here is the problem that may negate your attempt to automate the switching
> process. You see, WSPR is broken. WSPR doesn't use the sound-device name
> but rather the sound-device enumeration in order to select the sound
> device. The problem is, the enumeration changes any time you add or remove
> a sound device. Have a set of USB computer mic/headphones? Plug them in and
> negate the sound-card settings in WSPR. Same with turning on or off the
> 1500. The only solution is to make sure you check and reset the sound-card
> settings manually every time you start WSPR and every time you add or
> remove a device. Given that, you may as well just plan to touch the
> settings and not bother with multiple config files.
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[William H. Fite]

Because if you drink eggnog, as opposed to straight bourbon you get
all the nourishment you need and you don't have to take time out from
drinking to eat food.

(Contesters understand this phenomenon--XYL delivering sandwichs and
sodas, coffee can under the desk--but the remainder of the civilized
world does not.)

On 12/8/11, k8...@aol.com  wrote:
> Tinnitus is actually your ear - brain compo compensation for the  quiet.
> The system wants some sound.
>
> How about plain bourbon in place of eggnog?  Much simpler.
>
> Bob
>
>
> In a message dated 12/8/2011 1:31:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> omni...@gmail.com writes:
>
> As you  know, tinnitus bothers the heck of some people while others
> (like me) just  ignore it.  Interestingly, one of the standard
> treatments for tinnitus  in people who are seriously impaired by it is
> to mask it with white  noise.  Once again, this demonstrates the extent
> to which such matters  are psychologically as well as physiologically
> determined.
>
> Bottom  line:  If you think it is going to bother you, it is going to
> bother  you.
>
> I recommend eggnog therapy in all such cases.  Two or three  cups and
> you won't give a damn whether the fans are noisy or not.   Another two
> or three and you won't care if the fans are even running or  not.  Your
> gear, however, will care...
>
> Bill
>
> On 12/8/11,  Alfred Green  wrote:
>> Another solution is to  develop tinnitus.
>>
>> After well over three decades in industrial  control, much being spent
>> around paper machines, I have a constant  ringing in my ears that
>> completely swamps any PC or radio fan noise. I  just turn the speaker
>> volume up or wear headphones.
>>
>>  73  Alf  NU8I
>> Scottsdale  AZ   DM43an
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Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000

[Tim McDonough N9PUZ]

On 12/8/2011 12:39 PM, Alfred Green wrote:


The main reason I have it accessible is for the microphone jack. I have
a single MH-31 that I share between the F3K, my F1500 and my FT817. If
someone knows of a source I would like to get a couple more.




I imagine they will sell you as many as you want.

I was just looking the other day. I have no mic for my Flex 1500 because 
I recently sold my FT-857D and the mic went with it.


Tim N9PUZ


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Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000

[Ray, K9DUR]

Alf,

Try R&L Electronics (http://randl.com).  They have them for about $45.

73, Ray, K9DUR
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[Flexradio] Linear amp for Flex 1500

[joe_hank...@lexcominc.net]

For those considering an amplifier for their 1500, I've found the 
Ten-Tec 405 to fit the bill quite nicely.  With the 1500, it delivers 
30-50 clean watts. All it requires is 12 volts at 8 amps, and is quite 
compact. It's got both a power meter and an SWR meter, and has a band 
switch for 10-80 meters.  There is a matching power supply, but you 
don't need it.  I found mine at a hamfest for $125  this summer.


Sorry if this subject has already been covered, but I just started 
Flexing a few weeks ago.


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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[K8MLM]

Tinnitus is actually your ear - brain compo compensation for the  quiet.  
The system wants some sound.
 
How about plain bourbon in place of eggnog?  Much simpler.
 
Bob
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2011 1:31:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
omni...@gmail.com writes:

As you  know, tinnitus bothers the heck of some people while others
(like me) just  ignore it.  Interestingly, one of the standard
treatments for tinnitus  in people who are seriously impaired by it is
to mask it with white  noise.  Once again, this demonstrates the extent
to which such matters  are psychologically as well as physiologically
determined.

Bottom  line:  If you think it is going to bother you, it is going to 
bother  you.

I recommend eggnog therapy in all such cases.  Two or three  cups and
you won't give a damn whether the fans are noisy or not.   Another two
or three and you won't care if the fans are even running or  not.  Your
gear, however, will care...

Bill

On 12/8/11,  Alfred Green  wrote:
> Another solution is to  develop tinnitus.
>
> After well over three decades in industrial  control, much being spent
> around paper machines, I have a constant  ringing in my ears that
> completely swamps any PC or radio fan noise. I  just turn the speaker
> volume up or wear headphones.
>
>  73  Alf  NU8I
> Scottsdale  AZ   DM43an
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Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000

[Alfred Green]

On 12/8/2011 11:44 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote:



On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Alfred Green > wrote:


On 12/7/2011 6:04 PM, Brett Gazdzinski wrote:


Besides the power button, there is no reason to look at or
have to get at the thing, unlike other radios...

I don't even use the power button. The few times I've turned it
off, eg. if I go away for a weekend, has been by killing the power
to that side of the shack.


That works for the 3000 and 1500. That does not work for the 5000.


Unfortunately, I do not (yet) have a 5000, but thanks for the tip.



The main reason I have it accessible is for the microphone jack. I
have a single MH-31 that I share between the F3K, my F1500 and my
FT817. If someone knows of a source I would like to get a couple more.


Or bring a connection to an external mic mixer and then send mic audio 
back to the radios on the FlexWire port. Now you don't need to move 
your mic around.


-


I know that, but both my F1500 and FT817 are used for portable 
applications, driving microwave transverters. A shack mixer isn't going 
to be of much use. I once drove several hours to get to the top of a 
mountain for a 10G contest, and realized my mic was still on the F3K. 
While I had fun, there are a lot of the microwave crowd that are not 
comfortable with code.


73  Alf  NU8I
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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Brian Lloyd]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Lee Mushel  wrote:

> Gentlemen,
>
> I think we have enough opinions on the subject of fan noise now so that
> conclusions can be drawn and we can move on to other subjects like 1500 CW
> problems, what microphone to use and several others of your choice.


Don't forget egg nog recipes!


> I will admit to being fascinated by some of the comments since I have had
> no ability to hear anything above 14 kHz since qualifying with the "U.S.
> Rifle, caliber 30 M-1, Sir" some 55 years ago.   I  have always marveled at
> the quietness of the 3000 and 5000A.   I can detect no fan noise whatever.
>  But I am certain that with some 13 fan-containing devices in the shack
> there must be some detectable sound.   But I've decided that the most
> reasonable course of action to take is to ignore the possibility since such
> worry would be as silly and pointless as concentrating on similar noise
> coming from the XYL that I've been married to for some 49 years!
>

You know, there is a cure for that!


>
> I find this reflector to be most entertaining and informative.
>

Absolutely! (Where is that glass of egg nog ...)

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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Lee Mushel]

Gentlemen,

I think we have enough opinions on the subject of fan noise now so that 
conclusions can be drawn and we can move on to other subjects like 1500 CW 
problems, what microphone to use and several others of your choice.   I will 
admit to being fascinated by some of the comments since I have had no 
ability to hear anything above 14 kHz since qualifying with the "U.S. Rifle, 
caliber 30 M-1, Sir" some 55 years ago.   I  have always marveled at the 
quietness of the 3000 and 5000A.   I can detect no fan noise whatever.  But 
I am certain that with some 13 fan-containing devices in the shack there 
must be some detectable sound.   But I've decided that the most reasonable 
course of action to take is to ignore the possibility since such worry would 
be as silly and pointless as concentrating on similar noise coming from the 
XYL that I've been married to for some 49 years!


I find this reflector to be most entertaining and informative.

73

Lee K9WRU
- Original Message - 
From: "William H. Fite" 

To: "Alfred Green" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise



As you know, tinnitus bothers the heck of some people while others
(like me) just ignore it. 




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Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000

[Brian Lloyd]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Alfred Green  wrote:

> On 12/7/2011 6:04 PM, Brett Gazdzinski wrote:
>
>>
>> Besides the power button, there is no reason to look at or have to get at
>> the thing, unlike other radios...
>>
>>  I don't even use the power button. The few times I've turned it off, eg.
> if I go away for a weekend, has been by killing the power to that side of
> the shack.
>

That works for the 3000 and 1500. That does not work for the 5000.


>
> The main reason I have it accessible is for the microphone jack. I have a
> single MH-31 that I share between the F3K, my F1500 and my FT817. If
> someone knows of a source I would like to get a couple more.
>

Or bring a connection to an external mic mixer and then send mic audio back
to the radios on the FlexWire port. Now you don't need to move your mic
around.

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Re: [Flexradio] Amendment to Alternate WSPR programs

[Brian Lloyd]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:36 AM, John Pratt  wrote:

> Greetings,
> I need to rephrase a question that I just posted concerning two WSPR
> programs on the same computer. I do not intend to run these at the same
> time, just wanted to have one configured for the Flex rig and one
> configured for the Icom which uses a conventional interface and the
> computer sound card.
>

Here is the problem that may negate your attempt to automate the switching
process. You see, WSPR is broken. WSPR doesn't use the sound-device name
but rather the sound-device enumeration in order to select the sound
device. The problem is, the enumeration changes any time you add or remove
a sound device. Have a set of USB computer mic/headphones? Plug them in and
negate the sound-card settings in WSPR. Same with turning on or off the
1500. The only solution is to make sure you check and reset the sound-card
settings manually every time you start WSPR and every time you add or
remove a device. Given that, you may as well just plan to touch the
settings and not bother with multiple config files.

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Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000

[William H. Fite]

Also, many fans designed for computer use are supplied with dampers or
shock mounts.  Two that I particularly like because they are high
quality and very quiet are Cougar and Noctua.  The latter is about
twice the cost of the former, both are excellent, the Noctua lasts
longer.

Fan noise is often of much greater concern to computer users than to
radio users (yes, yes, we are both) because a high-performance PC can
have as many as 10 fans on board.  Thus, computer fans usually come
with detailed noise specs as well as the above-mentioned damper
mounts.

Fan speeds are often variable, as well, either by controlling voltage or PWM.

On 12/8/11, Jerry Flanders  wrote:
> Damper mounts are pretty easy to make with RTV Silicone if there is
> enough room around the fan - unscrew it, suspend it, put globs of the
> RTV to support it, then let it thoroughly set before removing the
> temporary "suspenders".
>
> Not recommended while under warranty. Also might not withstand
> shipping stress. But very good for homebrew stuff or if you
> ABSOLUTELY need something quieter.
>
> I have not seen the insides of the 3000 and don't know if this would
> work with it.
>
> Jerry W4UK
>
> At 11:54 AM 12/8/2011, William H. Fite wrote:
>>One could doubtless get quieter fans with damper mounts, as well, but
>>I'd want guidance from FRS to assure that they met the airflow
>>requirements.
>
>

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Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000

[Alfred Green]

On 12/7/2011 6:04 PM, Brett Gazdzinski wrote:


Besides the power button, there is no reason to look at or have to get 
at the thing, unlike other radios...


I don't even use the power button. The few times I've turned it off, eg. 
if I go away for a weekend, has been by killing the power to that side 
of the shack.


The main reason I have it accessible is for the microphone jack. I have 
a single MH-31 that I share between the F3K, my F1500 and my FT817. If 
someone knows of a source I would like to get a couple more.


73  Alf  NU8I
Scottsdale  AZ  DM43an

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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[William H. Fite]

As you know, tinnitus bothers the heck of some people while others
(like me) just ignore it.  Interestingly, one of the standard
treatments for tinnitus in people who are seriously impaired by it is
to mask it with white noise.  Once again, this demonstrates the extent
to which such matters are psychologically as well as physiologically
determined.

Bottom line:  If you think it is going to bother you, it is going to bother you.

I recommend eggnog therapy in all such cases.  Two or three cups and
you won't give a damn whether the fans are noisy or not.  Another two
or three and you won't care if the fans are even running or not.  Your
gear, however, will care...

Bill

On 12/8/11, Alfred Green  wrote:
> Another solution is to develop tinnitus.
>
> After well over three decades in industrial control, much being spent
> around paper machines, I have a constant ringing in my ears that
> completely swamps any PC or radio fan noise. I just turn the speaker
> volume up or wear headphones.
>
> 73  Alf  NU8I
> Scottsdale  AZ  DM43an
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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Alfred Green]

Another solution is to develop tinnitus.

After well over three decades in industrial control, much being spent 
around paper machines, I have a constant ringing in my ears that 
completely swamps any PC or radio fan noise. I just turn the speaker 
volume up or wear headphones.


73  Alf  NU8I
Scottsdale  AZ  DM43an

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[Flexradio] Heil Goldline Elite

[Scott Simmons - WA4DOS]

Flexers, My mistake on previous post  the Heil Goldline Elite with the
new HC6/HC5 combination.Any experiences with it? Yes or no? Thanks

Scott S. - WA4DOS   ><>><>   ><>

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[Flexradio] Heil Goldline Elite

[Scott Simmons - WA4DOS]

Flexers, Has anyone had used the new Heil Goldline PLUS with their Flex? Do
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Re: [Flexradio] Mic Gain Settings

[Erik Jakobsen]

On 12/8/2011 6:54 PM, Joe Word wrote:

I have been told there is a write-up on how to set-up the various mic
levels (mic gain, EQ, Mixer and etc), could some one point me to this?

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[Flexradio] Mic Gain Settings

[Joe Word]

I have been told there is a write-up on how to set-up the various mic
levels (mic gain, EQ, Mixer and etc), could some one point me to this?

Joe  N9VX

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Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000

[Jerry Flanders]

Damper mounts are pretty easy to make with RTV Silicone if there is 
enough room around the fan - unscrew it, suspend it, put globs of the 
RTV to support it, then let it thoroughly set before removing the 
temporary "suspenders".


Not recommended while under warranty. Also might not withstand 
shipping stress. But very good for homebrew stuff or if you 
ABSOLUTELY need something quieter.


I have not seen the insides of the 3000 and don't know if this would 
work with it.


Jerry W4UK

At 11:54 AM 12/8/2011, William H. Fite wrote:

One could doubtless get quieter fans with damper mounts, as well, but
I'd want guidance from FRS to assure that they met the airflow
requirements.



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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Burt]

No keep going, I am one of your greatest fans
Burt

Brevity is the soul of wit-Shakespeare

If you are too big for a small job, you are too small for a big job.


--- On Thu, 12/8/11, William H. Fite  wrote:


> Noisome might be a better description
> as others on the reflector are
> probably sick of hearing Duane and me go back and forth on
> this topic.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/8/11, Ross Stenberg 
> wrote:
> > Sounds kind of noisy to me (pun intended)
> >
> >  >>>Well I really don't like headphones
> for one, and more importantly
> > they make it hard to listen to 4 or 5 radios at one
> time. And a key to
> > listening to that many radios at one time is having
> the ability to
> > spatially orientate the various audio sources,
> headphones and audio
> > combiners simply don't allow for that.
> >
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Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000

[William H. Fite]

One could doubtless get quieter fans with damper mounts, as well, but
I'd want guidance from FRS to assure that they met the airflow
requirements.

On 12/7/11, Brett Gazdzinski  wrote:
> My 3000 is close to the operating position and I find the fans on the loud
> side.
> So I took the cover off and noticed the fans are mounted directly on a metal
> plate that mounts directly to the base of the 3000.
> Its not so much the fan blowing noise as the mechanical noise from them
> being mounted directly to metal pieces that ring like bell metal, so I dug
> out some thick gasket material and put it between the fans the the metal,
> cut out in the shape of the fans. That reduced the noise a bit.
> Lots of space to play with the fans in there.
> Rubber mounting them somehow would likely really reduce the noise.
>
> Another trick would be to rack mount it, the noise would be inside the rack
> or cabinet.
> I may try that as I have some low rack mount shelves.
> Besides the power button, there is no reason to look at or have to get at
> the thing, unlike other radios...
>
> Brett
> N2DTS
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Burt" 
> To: ; ; "konrad schultz"
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000
>
>
>
> I am not really concerned about a mike picking up the fan, I am concerned
> about me being bugged by it. I do not even like the fan on my computer. I
> never heard a fan on the 5000. It has a fan?
>
> --- On Wed, 12/7/11, konrad schultz  wrote:
>
>> From: konrad schultz 
>> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000
>> To: joe.n...@gmail.com, flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 9:59 AM
>>
>> I love my new 3000 and the fan noise makes no difference to
>> me since I use a professional directional dynamic
>> microphone. Most decent directional microphones will
>> not pic up fan noise coming from behind them as they are
>> designed to be receive sound from the front and slightly off
>> front to either side. My FLEX 3000 on my desk is maybe
>> 16 inches from the back of the mic - which is on an $80
>> telescoping desk boom. No
>> problems. Wiring the modular mic plug was a
>> small challenge, but the FLEX website has detailed
>> explanations of how to wire various mics/cords to
>> them. It's really not that hard. Good luck, Best
>> Konrad W1KON
>>
>>
>>  > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:45:51 -0500
>> > From: joe.n...@gmail.com
>> > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>> > Subject: [Flexradio] 3000 or 5000
>> >
>> > To me, the fan in the 3000 is very noisy and you have
>> to deal with the
>> > modular RJ45 mic plug. It's worth it to me to have the
>> 5000.
>> >
>> > Joe N9VX
>> >
>> >
>> --
>> > I am thinking of going to the 3000 from the 5000. I do
>> not care about a second
>> > receiver. Is there any other disadvantage for making
>> the move. It just seems
>> > the 5000 is more than I need, it is not a money
>> issue.
>> >
>> > Advice?
>> >
>> > Burt
>> >
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[Flexradio] Amendment to Alternate WSPR programs

[John Pratt]

Greetings,
I need to rephrase a question that I just posted concerning two WSPR programs 
on the same computer. I do not intend to run these at the same time, just 
wanted to have one configured for the Flex rig and one configured for the Icom 
which uses a conventional interface and the computer sound card.


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Re: [Flexradio] Alternate WSPR (digital) program for other radios

[Tony Estep]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:35 AM, John Pratt  wrote:

>  I guess that I would have to download another program and put it in a
> folder,etc.,..

===
John, your guess may be right. However, here's a possibility: There's a
file called wspr.ini found in the wspr directory. You could configure for
the icom, exit WSPR, then make a copy of this file as, say, wspricom.ini.
Then restart WSPR and re-configure for the 1500 and copy the wspr.ini to
wspr1500.ini.

Then write two batches to start up WSPR. One would say something like:

cd "c:\program files (x86)\WSPR"
copy wspricom.ini wspr.ini
start "" "wspr.exe"

and the other would do the same for the 1500.

I haven't tried this but it ought to work.

73,
Tony KT0NY


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Re: [Flexradio] Alternate WSPR (digital) program for other radios

[Mathias Krüger]

Hi John,

have a look here:

http://wsprnet.org/drupal/node/3176

It is the WSPR forum and describes how it works...

Regards
Mathias

2011/12/8 John Pratt 

> Greetings to all,
> Recently purchased the Flex 1500, really love the rig! I have managed
> (with help) to get the WSPR program up and configured for the Flex, it is
> working great. My problem is that I need another WSPR program configured
> for the computer sound card and interface so I can use the Icom rig for
> WSPR also. My computer has Windows XP home edition. I guess that I would
> have to download another program and put it in a folder,etc., but not
> really sure. I would really appreciate some advice on this topic, my
> computer expertise is limited, so please keep that in mind ! hi hi.
>
>
>  Thanks , John KC4RSN
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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[Brian Lloyd]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:01 AM, William H. Fite  wrote:

> Noisome might be a better description as others on the reflector are
> probably sick of hearing Duane and me go back and forth on this topic.
>

Oh, not at all William. I am enjoying it. As a result I have learned new
and better ways to press the delete key quickly! ;-)

All kidding aside, you and Duane are probably feeling a bit edgy. I
recommend a glass of egg nog to raise your blood Chistmas-spirit level.
Then you and Duane can share in that warm camaraderie that we hams share.
After all, we *are* one, big, happy, caring, harmonious family!

Ah, the joys of night-time 75m fellowship!

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Re: [Flexradio] Alternate WSPR (digital) program for other radios

[Brian Lloyd]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:35 AM, John Pratt  wrote:

> Greetings to all,
> Recently purchased the Flex 1500, really love the rig! I have managed
> (with help) to get the WSPR program up and configured for the Flex, it is
> working great. My problem is that I need another WSPR program configured
> for the computer sound card and interface so I can use the Icom rig for
> WSPR also. My computer has Windows XP home edition. I guess that I would
> have to download another program and put it in a folder,etc., but not
> really sure. I would really appreciate some advice on this topic, my
> computer expertise is limited, so please keep that in mind ! hi hi.
>

Are you saying that you want to run WSPR twice on the same computer, just
connected to different radios? I am not sure that will work if you plan to
transmit unless you have really good antenna isolation.

Regardless, I don't think that WSPR will run multiple instances on the same
computer. If you want to do that, why not get an older, junk computer. I
bet if you poke around you can get one for next to nothing.

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Re: [Flexradio] Fan noise

[William H. Fite]

Noisome might be a better description as others on the reflector are
probably sick of hearing Duane and me go back and forth on this topic.



On 12/8/11, Ross Stenberg  wrote:
> Sounds kind of noisy to me (pun intended)
>
>  >>>Well I really don't like headphones for one, and more importantly
> they make it hard to listen to 4 or 5 radios at one time. And a key to
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[Flexradio] Alternate WSPR (digital) program for other radios

[John Pratt]

Greetings to all,
Recently purchased the Flex 1500, really love the rig! I have managed (with 
help) to get the WSPR program up and configured for the Flex, it is working 
great. My problem is that I need another WSPR program configured for the 
computer sound card and interface so I can use the Icom rig for WSPR also. My 
computer has Windows XP home edition. I guess that I would have to download 
another program and put it in a folder,etc., but not really sure. I would 
really appreciate some advice on this topic, my computer expertise is limited, 
so please keep that in mind ! hi hi. 


Thanks , John KC4RSN
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