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Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
No! No! No! Please don't reach into my computer and permanently and irreparably tear out the digital meter. I don't want a ragged hole in the console with little virtual wires hanging out! Sorry... couldn't resist. Sincerely - Thanks for the OPTION. Jeff/KA5MIR On Tuesday 10 October 2006 09:38, Gerald Youngblood wrote: Eric1, please add an option on the drop down box for the RX and TX meters that turns off only the digital meter. ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Eureka - set Delay to 1000(ms)
Hi Everyone: Maybe this will help: On the Display tab, I set the Meter Delay to: 1000(ms) and it really settled down. Jerry KA5MIR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No! No! No! Please don't reach into my computer and permanently and irreparably tear out the digital meter. I don't want a ragged hole in the console with little virtual wires hanging out! Sorry... couldn't resist. Sincerely - Thanks for the OPTION. Jeff/KA5MIR On Tuesday 10 October 2006 09:38, Gerald Youngblood wrote: Eric1, please add an option on the drop down box for the RX and TX meters that turns off only the digital meter. ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061010/48f0f9a7/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
I agree... 73, WA8KCW - Original Message - From: Robert McGwier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ahti Aintila [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Wayne Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Ahti Aintila wrote: Dan, Let me comment some statements in this discussion: On 07/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display Why to hide the absolutely best and most useful display feature of the whole SDR-1000?! I need dBm for my measurements. 73, Ahti OH2RZ Ahi, Is this box (SDR-1000) a piece of bench test gear or a radio? Yes it is and I am very happy it is. 73's Bob N4HY -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Einstein ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: 10/6/2006 ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Stop already, it's over
Somebody was just trying to make a stir where none exists. Now let's learn how to best use the new beta version. Jerry Fred Brandeberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree... 73, WA8KCW - Original Message - From: Robert McGwier To: Ahti Aintila Cc: ; Wayne Roth Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Ahti Aintila wrote: Dan, Let me comment some statements in this discussion: On 07/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display Why to hide the absolutely best and most useful display feature of the whole SDR-1000?! I need dBm for my measurements. 73, Ahti OH2RZ Ahi, Is this box (SDR-1000) a piece of bench test gear or a radio? Yes it is and I am very happy it is. 73's Bob N4HY -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Einstein ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: 10/6/2006 ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061009/ae27d666/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
In answer to some recently posted comments: 1) Yes the SDR-1000 is a valuable piece of test equipment in my lab. 2) Yes, the SDR-1000 is my primary radio as I work CW, PSK31, RTTY, Hellscriber, etc. etc. 3) I have yet to find a mode where the meter function could not supply useful information to me. 4) If the display was dis-concerting to me, I just would not look at it or change it to another function. 5) Yes, I can watch the flickering meter and optically resolve an average, or be cognizant of a peak value. I am 73 years old and have the eyesight that goes with that so I am not a techie possessing superior acutity. 6) No thank you, I appreciate the thoughfulness of someone supplying HP catalogs, but I have quite enough HP equipment for my needs at present. A list would be supplied if requested. Grinning all the time. Jim, W4ATK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
Ahti Aintila wrote: Dan, Let me comment some statements in this discussion: On 07/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display Why to hide the absolutely best and most useful display feature of the whole SDR-1000?! I need dBm for my measurements. 73, Ahti OH2RZ Ahi, Is this box (SDR-1000) a piece of bench test gear or a radio? Yes it is and I am very happy it is. 73's Bob N4HY -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Einstein ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
Ahi, Is this box (SDR-1000) a piece of bench test gear or a radio? Yes it is and I am very happy it is. 73's Bob N4HY Well, OK, if it makes Bob happy I will go along.. anyway I am making no progress on this topic at all, so I have to move along to other issues. I just will clarify, again, my position on this. I fail to see the usefulness of the feature, to me all it is is a distracting flickering jumble with very little useful information transferred to the user. Specifically why I feel this way is that, to me anyway, when I look at this element of the display, and try to discerned any useful information from it, I am lucky to catch an occasional number here and there, and *only* if that number is on the display long enough for persistence of vision to allow it to travel to my brain. The rest of the fast moving numbers (too fast for vision and brain) just sit there and flicker around. It is not unusual for anywhere from a 1/2 a second to 3 or four seconds to pass before I can catch another complete number. How can that possibly be useful by any reasonable definition of the word? A suggestion was made in the Feature tracker, to allow a variable user defined peak hold time to be applied to this display. I fail to see why that suggestion has caused so much rancor on this reflector. I thought it was an excellent solution. It is a one size fits all, win win. For those of you that have eyes from the head of Mr. Clark Kent you can set the hold time to Zero, and for old men, like me, I can set the hold time to something like 500 mils. -Dan K6KDK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
5) Yes, I can watch the flickering meter and optically resolve an average, or be cognizant of a peak value. I am 73 years old and have the eyesight that goes with that so I am not a techie possessing superior acutity. Grinning all the time. Jim, W4ATK Jim,I don't know what pills you doctor has prescribed but I want some! I have a question for you: When you watch a movie, (30FPPS SMPTE standard frame rate) can you resolve each frame? I think not, .. Imagine a movie made of digits, each one different from the last. If I play that movie to you and asked you to give me an accurate numerical average of the numbers, could you do that? That is the job of the computer, to average, compute and then display to the human operator the result. I think what has irked me about this discussion, and why I am hanging in here on it is that it speaks of an interesting feature of the average Joe Ham. He is a person that hangs onto the past (even the very brief past of 1 year of software revisions to a GUI), even in the face of an, obviously, better solution. Nostalgia is the guiding light for the Ham. With the SDR and it's software I have noticed what I will call selective nostalgia. I mean, think about it: Here you have a piece of modern computing hardware, and you are straining your eyes to average a fast moving flicker of numbers on a display. You are going to die-hard before you let Dan talk you into using the computer for the job intended. By golly you are going to stare your eyes until they fall out of your head before you will have the programmer change that display! Why? Well, simple, because that's the way the display was YESTERDAY, and damned if it going to change TOMORROW! This seems so odd, in light of the concept of an SDR, but there you have it anyway. Some of us are just going to latch onto a feature here and there and stick to it. Just Hams at work, I guess... -Da K6KDK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? - Enough Already
Enough Already - If your talking about the dBm meter in the upper right, just set the background to white and the text to light gray and you will see it only when you specifically look at it otherwise it's invisible. There just has to be something else to talk about [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5) Yes, I can watch the flickering meter and optically resolve an average, or be cognizant of a peak value. I am 73 years old and have the eyesight that goes with that so I am not a techie possessing superior acutity. Grinning all the time. Jim, W4ATK Jim, I don't know what pills you doctor has prescribed but I want some! I have a question for you: When you watch a movie, (30FPPS SMPTE standard frame rate) can you resolve each frame? I think not, .. Imagine a movie made of digits, each one different from the last. If I play that movie to you and asked you to give me an accurate numerical average of the numbers, could you do that? That is the job of the computer, to average, compute and then display to the human operator the result. I think what has irked me about this discussion, and why I am hanging in here on it is that it speaks of an interesting feature of the average Joe Ham. He is a person that hangs onto the past (even the very brief past of 1 year of software revisions to a GUI), even in the face of an, obviously, better solution. Nostalgia is the guiding light for the Ham. With the SDR and it's software I have noticed what I will call selective nostalgia. I mean, think about it: Here you have a piece of modern computing hardware, and you are straining your eyes to average a fast moving flicker of numbers on a display. You are going to die-hard before you let Dan talk you into using the computer for the job intended. By golly you are going to stare your eyes until they fall out of your head before you will have the programmer change that display! Why? Well, simple, because that's the way the display was YESTERDAY, and damned if it going to change TOMORROW! This seems so odd, in light of the concept of an SDR, but there you have it anyway. Some of us are just going to latch onto a feature here and there and stick to it. Just Hams at work, I guess... -Da K6KDK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061007/058a9ef4/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, think about it: Here you have a piece of modern computing hardware, and you are straining your eyes to average a fast moving flicker of numbers on a display. You are going to die-hard before you let Dan talk you into using the computer for the job intended. By golly you are going to stare your eyes until they fall out of your head before you will have the programmer change that display! Why? Well, simple, because that's the way the display was YESTERDAY, and damned if it going to change TOMORROW! This seems so odd, in light of the concept of an SDR, but there you have it anyway. Some of us are just going to latch onto a feature here and there and stick to it. Just Hams at work, I guess... -Da K6KDK Is it the refresh rate, the dBm or the fact that other people want to keep it even if you don't that is getting to you, I wonder? Personally, I prefer the dBm meter to the S meter and, in fact, given the wide variation of calibration for different radios have often thought that the S meter should be banned. The trouble is that some people slavishly follow that meter. I remember that I got a report of 509 once, on 2M CW, from a station. On asking why '0' signal, he said that the S meter on his FT290R wasn't moving, so it must be a zero 'S' report... I think someone has offered a work round which, hopefully, would remove the flickering digits from your eye line, but why do you want to remove the option for others, I wonder? My idea of banning S meters is very probably a minority view and people are entitled to keep their S meters, no matter how inaccurate or calibrated differently from everyone else they may be. At least with dBm it should be about the same value from radio to radio, allowing for the accuracy of the measuring equipment of course. If it's the flicker that bothers you, maybe someone could offer a 'slugged' output that slows the change down? I remember going back to analogue voltmeters because of the fact that the display kept altering on a digital meter as I looked at it, whilst doing tests on protection circuits between 132 kV substations, where the resistance of the circuit was important in calculating what the settings should be. However, I know that digital multimeters are very popular with some people. It's just a personal choice, I wouldn't try to tell another engineer which type of meter he should use, just because it didn't suit me. Dave (G0DJA) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
are very popular with some people. It's just a personal choice, I wouldn't try to tell another engineer which type of meter he should use, just because it didn't suit me. Dave (G0DJA) Dave, Please re-read the subject title. see the word option... Also please see Feature Tracker for cogent comments on how to implement a fix. You will see from the feature tracker comments that many valid engineering reasons were stated why the display space should be better utilized, and better implementations for the feature. An important part of engineering GUIs is using display space in an efficient manner. This dB meter data is duplicated two places on the display simultaneously already. The first feature tracker comment suggested to the programmers that the second simultaneous display was a waste of valuable screen display space, and that a better use for that 90X100 pixels would be a Transmit meter. I feel these are valuable and important suggestions for improvements. -Dan K6KDK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave (G0DJA) Dave, Please re-read the subject title. see the word option... Also please see Feature Tracker for cogent comments on how to implement a fix. You will see from the feature tracker comments that many valid engineering reasons were stated why the display space should be better utilized, and better implementations for the feature. Dan, For a while I was worried that, by raising the problems that I was, and still am having, with the SDR1000 software and hardware, when you compare it with buying a black box and actually getting things to work, that I might be seen as being a bit over-the-top in my comments. However, your points seem to be critical of something that works and, even if you do not like it, can be altered... Something like putting some black tape over a light that is too bright on a radio display. Now, if you could get my SDR1000 to actually receive PSK31 like the FT817 I have, then I would personally be more impressed. ROTFL Dave (G0DJA) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
I'll second Phil's recommendation! But I'll also point out that Dan has a valid point regarding the text of the meter. Often it just isn't very useful (although in some cases it is), and thus having its presence be a user-selectable option makes alot of sense. The problem, as I see it, is that there is a LONG list of features that have been requested, and a very small software team (who are also handling bug fixes, attending ham conventions, etc.) with which to implement them. Thus, requests must from necessity be prioritized, which means that a request might take a long time to be implemented, if it's implemented at all. This is exactly the situation I faced when I bought my Flex radio almost exactly a year ago. After using it a bit I realized that there were a number of features in the User Interface that I would have preferred be done differently - some major, some minor. But I thought that the Flex team would be much too busy to worry about my own personal preferences (I think this was before they'd instituted their feature-request on the web page), so I figured, why not do it myself? Sure, the Flex code wasn't commented. Sure, there's no documentation. Sure, I didn't know c-sharp. But I didn't really see any of these negatives as being reasons for me not to try. The tools weren't too expensive (I think I paid $250 on ebay), and, in the end, it turned out that modifying the code really wasn't that difficult. Best of all, I had a great time doing it! So what am I pitching? First step: if there's a feature you'd like added or changed, get it into the Feature Request list on the website. If it then seems like the request is going nowhere, and if you have *any* sort of software experience, don't be afraid to get your hands dirty mucking around with the software. After all, if you've got time to yak on the radio, then you've got the time to write code. And, who knows...you might even have fun! Best regards to all, - Jeff, K6JCA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Philip Covington Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:44 PM To: Flex-radio Reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Instead of waiting around or arguing for these changes, just get yourselves a copy of Visual Studio 2003 off of Ebay. Modify to your hearts content... Seriously, you could just drag the meter off the bottom of the form so it is hidden or turn its visibility off *without having to learn any programming at all*. Hit build and you have your custom version of the console...no big deal...it is not that hard... Phil N8VB ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
Hi everyone, I support Ahti's comment 110% - the dB display is one of the most useful features of the radio. Besides the usual on-the-bench measurements it is ideal for setting up and tuning beam aerials. The colours on the display should be chosen to draw the eye to the most wanted features and play down those not of interest at the time -the selection available is not just to look pretty. This feature is another of the plus points of the radio. Peter, G3LWT -- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:49:52 +0300 From: Ahti Aintila Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? To: Wayne Roth Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 05/10/06, Wayne Roth wrote: Now that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display Why to hide the absolutely best and most useful display feature of the whole SDR-1000?! I need dBm for my measurements. 73, Ahti OH2RZ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061006/9feedde4/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
My God! Did anyone ask to take this feature away? Dispose of it? NO! Go back and read the original post. Wayne said the key word OPTION. That's one thing about software. New things can be added without taking away other things that some people like. And another thing. How can the dBu meter really be THE most useful thing about the SDR-1000? This brown nosing is really getting the best of me on this list. Any time someone asks for an option that deserves some thought, there are vultures that come out of no where to say oh please, don't take that away. I would request that you read Websters on the meaning of option. Like Dan said, this meter thing has been requested since April of '06. Another request was submitted later. No mention of that, however that's the way we are supposed to make requests. Right? What ever happened to SAM lock by the way? That seemed to go away too, since Jeff let go of his console to Flex. I'm just about done here. I've made good comments on the Flex and I've also been honest about some things I don't like. I truly love my SDR1K, but I think that there are some attitudes on this email list that do not reflect the consumer's best interest. I'll sit back and wait another day or two... On 10/6/06, PETER BUCK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I support Ahti's comment 110% - the dB display is one of the most useful features of the radio. Besides the usual on-the-bench measurements it is ideal for setting up and tuning beam aerials. The colours on the display should be chosen to draw the eye to the most wanted features and play down those not of interest at the time -the selection available is not just to look pretty. This feature is another of the plus points of the radio. Peter, G3LWT -- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:49:52 +0300 From: Ahti Aintila Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? To: Wayne Roth Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 05/10/06, Wayne Roth wrote: Now that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display Why to hide the absolutely best and most useful display feature of the whole SDR-1000?! I need dBm for my measurements. 73, Ahti OH2RZ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061006/9feedde4/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- There is nothing more uncommon than common sense. -- Frank Lloyd Wright ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
Tim, Let me understand this correctly.. a flashing number on the consol display ( flashing faster than the SMPTE frame rate, ) is useful ? Please respond *specifically* to this question. Do your homework first, understand the question, THEN respond.. There seems to be some sort of nonsense going around here that is suggesting that if your brain and optics can gather information faster than 30FPS you are more techie than those of us regular mortals. (I am not making this up,.. see the Feature tracker for details on statements made by others on this subject. They claim the display is useful ! Unbelievable !!) -Dan - Original Message - From: Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: A.R.S. - W5AMI [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PETER BUCK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? As noted before by several people, there IS an option. Make the meter text color the same as the background and TA DA! - it is not there any more distracting those who are distracted by it. -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display Why to hide the absolutely best and most useful display feature of the whole SDR-1000?! I need dBm for my measurements. 73, Ahti OH2RZ Ahi, Is this box (SDR-1000) a piece of bench test gear or a radio? If it will help you would you like me to send you a copy of the latest HP catalog? They have a bunch of neat stuff in there that works even better for your measurements... only problem is if you get one of their boxes, you can't work the CQP Contest on it next weekend. My problem is I can't work the CQP Contest (and score worth a darn) while watching the flickering display. It's called concentration for the intended task at hand, the task for which the equipment was intended. -Dan PS: well.. don't whine, you asked for it... ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
Dan, Let me comment some statements in this discussion: On 07/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display Why to hide the absolutely best and most useful display feature of the whole SDR-1000?! I need dBm for my measurements. 73, Ahti OH2RZ Ahi, Is this box (SDR-1000) a piece of bench test gear or a radio? Both. If it will help you would you like me to send you a copy of the latest HP catalog? Thanks, but no need, I have them. On the other hand, I cannot afford these H(igh) P(rice)/ (Agilent) products. My problem is I can't work the CQP Contest (and score worth a darn) while watching the flickering display. Sorry for your concentration difficultes. Now I got a good explanation and answer to my simple question Why to hide Thanks for the many options of PowerSDR, you have already got some advice how to get rid of the SMTP flickering rate of the displays. Here are some more to slow down the flickering by adjusting: - Display Mode AVG and/or Peak, - FPS of the main display and use Averaging, - Meter Delay, - Averaging Time, - Multimeter Analog Peak Hold, - Digital Peak Hold, - Average Time. After using more than three years SDR-1000 and owning four (4) of these boxes I am, in general, happy about the options, we are so many users with different opinions and preferences. However, I think that FlexRadio has wasted too much time and efforts for modifying the GUI when the MODULAR SOFTWARE still waits for the completion - three years after the first promise! PS: well.. don't whine, you asked for it... Very well said! I cannot put it better. 73, Ahti OH2RZ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
Now that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display above it as it's somewhat distracting. Is anyone else interested in having this option? Thanks, Wayne Roth wa2n/5 Austin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061005/e6da7e12/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
Easy. Just set the color of the text to the same as the background. SetupForm - Appearance - Meter - Digital Text. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] radio.biz] On Behalf Of Wayne Roth Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:16 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Now that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display above it as it's somewhat distracting. Is anyone else interested in having this option? Thanks, Wayne Roth wa2n/5 Austin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex- radio.biz/attachments/20061005/e6da7e12/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
Well, if it really bothers you, go to Setup | Display | Meter and set the Digital Text to the same color as Digital Background. Bob K5KDN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayne Roth Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:16 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Now that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display above it as it's somewhat distracting. Is anyone else interested in having this option? Thanks, Wayne Roth wa2n/5 Austin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061005/e6da7e12/attachment .html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
Personally, I like the dB display UNLESS you replace it with another display on TX to make a combo meter. On TX, I'd love to be able to see Audio Gain [any of the audio chain gains, MIC, EQ, etc] with Power [either FWD or REV] On RX I'd leave things the way they are (no real useful combinations). -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Roth Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 2:16 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Now that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display above it as it's somewhat distracting. Is anyone else interested in having this option? Thanks, Wayne Roth wa2n/5 Austin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061005/e6da7e12/attach ment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
On 05/10/06, Wayne Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display Why to hide the absolutely best and most useful display feature of the whole SDR-1000?! I need dBm for my measurements. 73, Ahti OH2RZ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
I would like to have the option to turn it OFF too, along with being able to maybe have it display dBm, S units, uV, etc., like WinRadio has already. Brian w5ami On 10/5/06, KA5MIR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he's just asking for the OPTION to remove it from HIS console. He's not trying to take it away from anyone. Why so defensive about personal choices with the console? The more options, the better! Changing foreground color = background color is a good workaround. I'll do that too. Thanks for the tip! 73' Jeff/KA5MIR On Thursday 05 October 2006 13:16, Wayne Roth wrote: Now that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display above it as it's somewhat distracting. Is anyone else interested in having this option? Thanks, Wayne Roth wa2n/5 Austin ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- There is nothing more uncommon than common sense. -- Frank Lloyd Wright ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display?
easy. ..just... work-around.. work arounds ??? this issue goes all the way back to feature tracker # 273.. then it was re-stated with excellent suggestions for a real fix on feature tracker # 555. -Dan K6KDK ( wearing flame proof hardware ...) - Original Message - From: Eric Wachsmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Wayne Roth' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Easy. Just set the color of the text to the same as the background. SetupForm - Appearance - Meter - Digital Text. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] radio.biz] On Behalf Of Wayne Roth Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:16 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Option to remove dB display? Now that we have great analog signal meter, I'd like the option to remove the dB signal level display above it as it's somewhat distracting. Is anyone else interested in having this option? Thanks, Wayne Roth wa2n/5 Austin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex- radio.biz/attachments/20061005/e6da7e12/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
