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Greetings All, I just went through the FreeDOS install howto and eventually got everything to work, but I ran into an issue. One of the steps of the howto says to edit autoexec.bat changing the line "REM LH PCNTPK INT=0x60" to "LH PCNTPK INT=0x60". This didn't work for me. Somehow the packet driver was never actually loaded on startup. What did work is changing the line to "PCNTPK INT=0x60" without the LH. I'm not much on batch scripting so I'm not totally sure what "LH" does, but some googling reveals that it means Load Highmem. Can anybody give me an explanation? Cheers, Henry -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Tom Ehlert: > could you be more specific about > 1) where is the database located (not geografically, but what machine) > 2) what's the 'servers' operating system ? The database is in a Pentium machine running FreeDOS and MS-Client with a Realtek RTL8139 network adapter card. I'm at home now, so I don't have more details. > if the answer to 2) is 'FreeDOS' then either SHARE.EXE is not running > or SHARE.EXE is buggy. the latter is quite likely as it was never > really tested against network access. I think SHARE.COM must be running because the two-computer test network works perfectly -- as long as the two users won't press and hold arrow keys of PgUp/PgDn simultaneously, or try to run reports from the client. In other words, as long as server and client don't attempt to access the hard drive in the same millisecond or so. > try using MSDOS or linux (or even Windows) for the > 'server' machine, and see if the problema go away Bernd wrote: > Anyway, are you (legally) able to test your setup against an MS-DOS > environment instead of FreeDOS? That could determine (or rule out) some > issues. Yes, I can do that. I was a MS-DOS user until 2007 when I changed to FreeDOS. I'll test and report back. Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi Ulrich, > But why not use just one username for all of your client > machines and have the advantage that no stranger could login and > mess with your database? You would configure the user yourself > in the SYSTEM.INI (configure once, copy onto all other clients) > and once you ran NET.EXE on one machine and your password was > saved, you copy the resulting *.PWL file to all your clients > into their MS Client folder. So your doctors are authenticating > to the server without seeing it and without having to do > anything. The PWL file is encrypted, authentication is encrypted > and the database file on the server can be configured to be only > readable and writable by that user. To me this seems pretty > secure and relaxed at the same time. Great, you thought about everything :-) By the way, the DataPerfect group gave practical suggestions about how to operate the database temporarily without the network while we sort out these issues. They are a very helpful discussion group too. > [..] the TurboPascal "Runtime Error 200" which seems to mean > that the program won't work on computers with a clock speed > faster than 200 MHz Aha! So that's why one of my favorite text editors won't run in some machines; it' the same error message, and it uses the Borland interface too. Thank you! Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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how do you set up the c: drive, format, and sys the drive under vmware workstation 8? very short replies are fine. eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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I'm experimenting with FreeDOS in an effort to find a solution for access to a legacy DOS application. The environment is an HP laptop (6730s) running Win7 32-bit, VMWare Player v5 and FreeDOS 1.1. All proceeds smoothly until I try to gain access to a printer share via MSClient. (This is the only way I can see to get the application to print.) The challenge occurs when attempting to load the driver for the laptop's ethernet card - a Marvell Yukon. The driver is named yuknd.dos. I've tried a number of configurations based on postings found on the web. In an effort to narrow the problem down I entered the following into fdconfig.sys: device=c:\net\yuknd.dos When stepping thru boot, this line results in the error message "Controller not found". What means, if any, are available to get over this? (The laptop also has wireless, but I suspect that is even more highly problematic.) Many thanks for sharing your wisdom. George ps: my apologies if my lack of understanding of lists has caused this to be a duplicate posting. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi Dennis, > That's what I thought might be the case. Your source files are > basically 7 bit ASCII. > I'd call your use case something to be handled by a Revision > Control System. We normally think of them as used for program > code, but they can be used for manuscripts as well. Take a look > at Walter Tichy's RCS, available for FreeDOS. I downloaded RCS and had a look at it, but as far as writing this book is concerned my needs are very modest compared to the capabilities of RCS, especially because I'm the sole author. So I'll probably stay with the simpler solution -- an archiver such as 7zip. But I may use RCS in the future, so thanks for the hint anyway. Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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i, for one, would like to see a freedos ftp site where 1) only the latest version of everything is posted and 2) where the whole thing could be downloaded as one file. let's face it, the freedos project suffers from substantial fragmentation, and substantial disorganization. if someone anywhere could donate (sourceforge?) space to this endeavor, the price would be just right, too! can anyone think of how to implement this at no cost? otherwise i'll just understand that that the cost is prohibitive and we'll just have to download everything in pieces as it comes out in updated form. eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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is there a place you can download all of freedos in one big piece, but including all the up-to-date everything? it would surely be convenient. eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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i have a dell optiplex gx280. first i found it doesn't support 2 floppys, only 1. fine. now, however, 1.44 mb diskettes format fine with ms-dos 6.22, but freedos trying to format them says: """ # Boot sector unreadable, disk not yet formatted Treating int 13.8 drive type 0x0 as 1440k Using drive default 1440k ( Cyl=80 Head=2 Sec=18 ) Cannot find existing format - forcing full format Please enter volume label (max. 11 chars): Full Formatting (wiping all data) Format_Floppy_Cylinder ( head=0 cylinder=0 ) sectors=18 [int 13.5] Critical error during INT disk access INT 13 status (hex): 40 Bits: seek operation failed Description: seek failed Program Terminated [Error 192] """ Does anyone know how to make FreeDOS format floppies on this? Again, MS-DOS does just fine, but FreeDOS forces the 13 messages above. then quits! this is a user and a development question. If any one can shed light on it it'd be nice. eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Have an old 80 gig hard drive with an HPA(host protected access) partition, which is wasting space; tried to use linux function 'hdparm' on it using an ide/usb adapter, but recieved message "bad or missing sense data", exactly what I get with flash drives and sd cards. Threw the drive in an old ide machine to hit it with hdparm, but the machine is non-functional. My other machine is sata only. Any ideas to do this? -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Just heard about LaTeX here and being curious, just want to understand - > learn more about it. I use DOS Wordperfect 6.2 for most everything, just > wonder > if LaTeX can do more. Looks like its a script language like HTML that has > to be compiled to a PS file then converted to pdf by ghost. and on Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:57:26 -0400 dmccunney wrote: > LaTeX is a document preparation system and document markup language. > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX and http://latex-project.org/ > It's based on TeX, a typesetting system designed by Professor Donald > E. Knuth, author of the classic The Art of Computer Programming. > It's useful for things like scientific papers where you must embed > equations in the document. I do translation and/or editing of scientific papers, and often receive the manuscripts in LaTeX. Its distinguishing feature is the high quality and refinement of its typesetting. My understanding is that MS-Word has not yet reached that level, even after all those decades. (I mention MS-Word because it is the only alternative to LaTeX widely accepted by scientific journals). I'm currently writing a technical book, and chose to do it in LaTeX. The result looks great. However, LaTeX is complex, and there is no other way of learning it except by studying systematically, and even then, it requires experience. It's like learning a programming language. Same thing happens with LilyPond, a music notation editor also based on TeX: the final quality is (so I am told) better than any of the commonly used editors such as Sibelius, Encore, etc, but it is much more difficult and less intuitive to use. But I actually enjoy stuff like that! I used LilyPond a few times for one-page violin scores, and the result is really great. > It's worth learning about, but DOS is the wrong place to do it. > The tools basically don't exist there. If you want to learn > about/use LaTeX, you really need to be running Windows or Linux. Maybe you're better off running Windows or Linux, I'll concede that, but you can do it in DOS too. I do it all the time. My distribution is EmTex, by Eberhard Mattes, and it runs very well. I have not been able to convert the source (TEX) files to PDF in DOS, but it's easy to convert them to DVI files, and view them with the included viewer program -- assuming of course that the video card of your computer is sharp enough. EmTex does have a few limitations, some of them having to do with the DOS 8.3 naming convention, but it is sometimes possible to work around that too. EmTex will happily accept the templates supplied (and required) by most scientific journals that automatically cause the general features of the printed page to conform to the standards of the specific journal: fonts, margins, spaces, etc. You just add a single line in the beginning of the file, similar to an "include" line in programming languages, and that's it. Regards, Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros 3231-8194 fixo 9-9123-8566 celular 9-8295-6703 celular fav...@mpcnet.com.br -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, From: dmccunney on 8 Feb 2015 15:14:17 -0500: > As mentioned, on the machine FreeDOS is installed on, I have > multiple partitions and file systems. When I set it up to begin > with, I assumed FreeDOS would use FAT16 and have the 2GB volume > size limit in consequence, so that determined the partition > size. Since I haven't seen people mention 4 GB FAT16 partitions, I'd like to say that I started using them last month, and they've been working perfectly so far. I went for the 4 GB partitions after running out of space because of digital camera JPG files. And I stayed with FAT16 to be able to run Defrag and ChkDsk, which don't work with FAT32. The 4 GB partitions can be created either with FreeDOS Fdisk or with Linux GParted. However, with very old computers, if the BIOS does not properly recognize the size of the hard disk, Fdisk will only create partitions up to 2 GB. Cheers, Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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I remember using IBM's Tiny Editor, 16-bit for DOS and OS/2, in DR-DOS 7.03, not open source. Tiny Editor was useful on IBM OS/2 installation floppies because of tiny size, could edit up to about 350 KB file or a little larger, more in OS/2 1.x. Using elvis 2.2, I was able to view and edit files in DR-DOS above 1.5 MB, but scrolling through a file of 3 MB was prohibitively slow; no such problem in Linux. Maybe that was because DOS is not really made for large RAM. Still, I prefer to switch to Linux, FreeBSD or NetBSD to edit anything serious, using vi. Apparently DOS, including FreeDOS, works better on an older computer than on a modern computer. I just went to drdos.com just to check the price for DR-DOS 7.03, was $79; last time I looked previously, it was $39. Download link for DR-DOS 7.03 from drdos.net is no good; links no longer valid is a problem with much old DOS software. I still have and occasionally use Borland Quattro Pro 5 for DOS; dBASE IV 1.5 less frequently. Tom -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Dears, I need your help. I try to boot to my desktop (Windows XP) via usb-flash with FreeDOS (VERSION 0.84-PRE2 XMS_Swap). My problem is that by the normal booting check disk stucks to 27%.So through freedos I try to bypass check disk but I don't know which command I have to use. Note that using "chkdsk" command I get the message "bad command". I also do not the name of my had disk in the freedoss environment. Among others I need a list of freedos command which corresponds in the freedos version I use. Thanks in advanceJim -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical & virtual servers, alerts via email & sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Anyway to detect com port settings instead of hard code the settings for which one the modem is plugged to ?? .. eset NOFRODO_NOW Y /C if errorlevel 2 if not errorlevel 3 goto b001 CD\DOORS\ACTS acts.exe /S /C:%2 /B:%1 /T:%3 /N:%4 REM/S is sysop mode /C:[comport] /B:[baudrate] /T:[timeleft] /N:[task or node number] If errorlevel 11 if not errorlevel 12 goto b001 If errorlevel 12 if not errorlevel 13 goto b002 modemtgl /C:%2 /NM /NR +++~~~ATH0 If exist H:\DATA.FAX goto return2faxserv eset NOLOGIN Y Goto r001 :b001 modemtgl /C:%2 /NM /NR ![0;1;34mð ![31mHuman caller! Loading RA... (![0;1;34m[%1, %2])![0m please wait :b002 --chris http://www.aotksc.com/ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hello all, Can anyone tell me if it is possible to add a Dos program to the live CD so that I can run it from the cd ? I wish to use a Ham Radio Program called Baycom with the old hardware which went with it. It will work with FreeDos as I have used it when installed to Hard drive on a old PC I had in the past. Any info on how to do this if it is possible would be much appreciated. Please note I am no expert ! Brad, England UK -- MESSAGE SENT USING KMAIL AND LINUX MANDRIVA FREE 2007, NO MICROSOFT PRODUCTS HERE. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:06:44 +0200 (MEST) > From: Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Mpxplay won't be developed > > Note: The drivers are inside MPXPLAY, but as it is open > source, > you can use the MPXPLAY sources to make VSB (virtual sound > blaster) > able to output sound using, for example, your AC97 > soundcard :-). > i was able to contact andrew regarding his website thru photo.net. this is his new email: Andrew Zabolotny - creator of Virtual Sound Blaster good luck! - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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So how would I set up a dual boot system with both FreeDos and W98; I presume they would be in separate partitions? Or what about FreeDos on a 'logical' drive in W98? kurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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A Message to FreeDOS User's List The process of installing FreeDOS on my EEEpc. I used a Windows Xp Professional Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600, HP Drive Key Boot Utility found by ways of http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?swI tem=MTX-UNITY-I23839&lang ,Memorex Traveldrive *!Warning ALL DATA is going to be erased on this drive!* and a copy of the Balder single disk utility distribution found by way of http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unoffi cial/balder/ I'll outline the process; Step 1. Grab a USB Flash Disk and format it using the FAT file system. The Hp Utility isn't going to discriminate. I prepared my disk using the right-click, format command in the windows explorer shell. A quick-format will suffice, or if you're gutsy and have a full bodied Cabernet nearby, you can try for a long format. It may take a few moments if quick format is not selected, so savor the tannins. Step 2. Once the format is complete, or your glass is empty (maybe the bottle), download then run the HP Drive Key Boot Utility. Be careful! You can and may damage other drives attached to your computer. Use caution when using this tool. I used the floppy emulation option for my drive and the balder.img file provided with the link above. Step 3. Plug in travel drive to available USB port, press escape after POST message, and select the device from the boot menu thus booting into the Balder Image. The Balder Image contains copies of FDISK, Command, and kernel.sys. FDisk can mark the SSD bootable and partition to hold a FAT file system. Once partitioned, the Command and kernel.sys can be copied to the SSD but this does not make the system bootable. A boot manager, such a Grub4DOS was used. A tutorial for installation found at http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Grub4dos_tutorial can be used. Step 4. Use DOS. The system does not have an FDconfig.sys or an autoexec.bat. This can be good or bad, good in that FreeDOS still works without them, bad that you won't have any drivers or other conveniences. I did manage to get USB working using the Panasonic USBASPI.sys drivers. With a portable hard disk and USB IDE enclosure, this makes NTFS4DOS / Symantec GHOST sing the aria of life; yes, hard disk cloning / data backup is possible on the road. On February 24, my EEEpc stopped worked after my backpack fell to the floor. Now, the system will not POST and only gets as far as detecting my USB devices. Sadness. Bray PS. Eric, I will gladly test your new LBACache. Send the program and some docs and I'll check it out. Source, too perhaps? -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi Jeremy, Eric, Christian, David, Thanks for the valuable information. I'll start with CD-ROMs because they are the simplest alternative, and later I'll also look into compact flash cards and SD card adapters, which seem to be the most reliable of all. Regards, Marcos Florence Sao Paulo, Brazil -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, Eric, > I kind of missed the start of the thread - about which > software are we talking? Why does it take several seconds > to refresh the screen? While the mouse is moving? While > it is not moving? Both? Included at the end of this message is my original post which answers these questions. > And why do keyboard keys influence that? That was after a suggestion by Larry . He said: "I use Freedos in a dosemu emulator in Linux. In that environment, arachne won't update a screen unless I hold down a moust button, or a shift key (or some key). Have you tried holding down a shift key to see if your CAD then updates the screen faster?" I tested the keys, and some speed up screen refreshing indeed. >> My mouse is not USB. It is a real old one, with a flat >> plug with two rows of holes. > You mean serial port, RS232? Which protocol? How many > buttons? It is in COM1 (I guess that's serial port), three buttons, and the driver is CTMOUSE.EXE 2.1beta4. I don't know which protocol. > Well APMBIOS would not save energy :-p But ADV:REG does, > while it should have less side effects than APMDOS in > some cases... I've just tested it, and you're right: option ADV:REG also reduces the screen refreshing time to a half, as compared to APMDOS or ADV:MAX. > Did you also try STACKS=0,0 versus STACKS=9,256 versus > STACKS=16,512 as (fd)config sys options in that context? I've tested it, and it makes no difference. > Does it make a difference to have / no HIMEM and / or > EMM386? The use of HMA and stacks might influence speed. Desi-III requires EMS memory. It makes no difference whether we use FreeDOS memory managers or Japheth's. >> - Under FreeDOS, refresh speed is increased by avoiding >> FDAPM with option APMDOS. It can be further increased >> in two ways: by holding down keys or, much better, by >> moving the mouse. - Under MS-DOS, refresh speed is much >> faster than any of the above. > I assume you mean "with FreeDOS kernel and all drivers > from FreeDOS" versus "with MS DOS kernel and all drivers > from MS DOS" - which is what makes the comparison a bit > difficult :-). That's right: I compared an all-FreeDOS configuration to an all-MS-DOS one. But I did a new series of tests as you suggested; see below. > As the refresh is so fast in MS DOS anyway, I assume you > cannot find out whether it would get any faster by > pressing those keys? Yes, it's very fast anyway: 0.5 sec or less. > On the other hand, you could try whether you can make > things deliberately slow with FDAPM APMDOS in MS DOS ;-). Under the MS kernel, FDAPM freezes the computer on boot, so I could not do that test. > Or maybe the difference is caused by any other MS or > FreeDOS driver. The suggestion is to try having very > similar setup with only very few drivers being different. > Then you could find out that "using file X from MS DOS > makes things fast", or "using driver Y from FreeDOS is > slow", for example :-). If you compare many MS files to > many FreeDOS files at the same time, it is harder to find > out which files are "bad". While running under the MS kernel (IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS), I changed one by one all the lines of CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT to check how Desi-III reacted. Except for FDAPM as mentioned above, everything from FreeDOS also works under the MS kernel, and Desi-III is equally fast. CONFIG.SYS now contains: DEVICE=C:\FDOS\HIMEM\HIMEMX.EXE DEVICE=C:\FDOS\JEMM\JEMM386.EXE RAM X=DC00-DDFF SHELL=C:\FDOS\BIN\COMMAND.COM C:\FDOS\BIN\ /e:1024 /P=C:\autoexec.bat and AUTOEXEC.BAT now contains: lh C:\FDOS\BIN\LBACACHE.COM 2048 lh C:\FDOS\BIN\DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1) C:\FDOS\BIN\MODE CON CODEPAGE PREPARE=((850) C:\RECURSOS\FONTTELA\sanse_36.cpi) lh C:\FDOS\BIN\MODE CON CP SEL=850 lh C:\FDOS\BIN\KEYB.EXE br,850 lh C:\FDOS\BIN\CTMOUSE.EXE /R1 /3 Since nothing in CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT changes the screen refreshing speed, it seems that the problem lies somewhere between the FreeDOS kernel and Desi-III. Regards, Marcos - My original post: From: "Marcos Favero Florence de Barros" To: "FreeDOS List" Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:13:45 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Odd behaviour involving mouse Hi, I'm an engineer and a user of DESI-III, a professional-quality freeware CAD from Belgium, with which I draw mechanical parts for a product I'm developing. Since I started using FreeDOS in 2007 I noticed that it was taking longer for DESI-III to refresh the screen -- an important point for CAD software, because we must zoom in and out all the time. Then a few days ago I noticed that, if the mouse is
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Eric, > What I would like to know: How fast is the refresh if you > remove idlehalt but keep fdapm? Does it make a difference > whether you use APMDOS or ADV:REG option in that case? Refresh times below are for the same drawing tested in previous emails. It would not make sense to test IDLEHALT with values other than 1, as you said yourself. - 1 FDAPM APMDOS + IDLEHALT=1 11 sec - 2 FDAPM ADV:REG + IDLEHALT=1 6 sec - 3 FDAPM APMDOS 6 sec - 4IDLEHALT=1 6 sec - 5 FDAPM ADV:REG about half a sec - 6 (nothing) about half a sec - I adopted option 5 to work with Desi-III, of course. Regards, Marcos -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi Mateusz and Liam, Thanks! > (Mateusz) > Simple: FAT16 doesn't support partitions bigger than 2GiB. > So, you have to choose: > - either you are sticking to FAT32 > - or you use only 2GiB partitions (for eg. 2 or 3 partitions on the drive, > with each one having 2GiB max.) > (Liam) > You do know that the maximum legal size for a FAT16 partition is 2GB? Yes, I realize that each FAT16 partition can only be 2 GB. I was trying to have 3 partitions in the 6 GB disk. This was an attempt to avoid FAT32, because I do not know how reliable its recovery tools are. If they are reliable, then I will gladly adopt FAT32 :-) > (Mateusz) > First of all, I think it would help if you could define what an "illegal" > file exactly is from your point of view... For lack of a better term, I'm calling "illegal" those folders or files that: - appear out of nowhere - have strange names including unprintable characters and fragments of text from existing files - cannot be erased or moved - ironically, *can* be copied to other hard disks > (Liam) > For what it's worth, in the old days of DOS, I used to use Norton > Disk Doctor for recovering badly-damaged volumes. Scandisk is > about the next best thing, but NDD was considerably better. You > can probably find it as abandonware somewhere now. I'll look for it. Regards, Marcos -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, This is just to report how things evolved with regard to disk partitioning and formatting. I certainly learned how to do it. Thanks again to several list members who helped! However, the story did not end there. Disks would not work as expected, and corrupted files kept appearing. After formatting half a dozen disks 2-3 times each, in 3 different computers, I suspected someting else was wrong. So I took the disks to a computer technician for a virus scan and, sure enough, they all were infected by "W32/Hybris.worm.B". The computer is working well now. However, to be extra safe, I also ran F-prot, and although my copy is from 2005, in one disk it reported something that the technician's antivirus had missed: Master Boot Sector: "Bleah.D". Of course I'll repartition and reformat that disk. In 12 years of MS-DOS plus 3 years of FreeDOS, this is the first time I had a virus -:( I'll use FDSHIELD for some time. Also, I downloaded CLAMAV, but have not been able to run it yet. In case anyone has other security recommendations, they will be very welcome. Marcos Marcos Favero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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dos...@gmail.com: >RTFM. Me: >> What is RTFM? Lisandro_Damián_Nicanor_Pérez_Meyer: >Read The Fine Manual ;-) I do not ask questions before reading the relevant manuals. As an engineer, this is second nature to me. However, manuals can on occasion be complicated, even if well-written, for those who are computer users, not programmers or computer professionals. The HDPMI manual describes about 15 options, half of them cryptical to the uninitiated. That is the reason why I go to the FreeDOS *user* list for help. Lisandro_Damián_Nicanor_Pérez_Meyer: >Tip: if you are running Linux, you may want to install >bsd-tools. It has an app called wtf wich comes very handy for >this kinds of things I'm not running under Linux or any other OS. I'm just running FreeDOS. dos...@gmail.com: >Everybody uses DOG-BOX and DOG-EMU (already advertized at >"FreeDOS" page), nobody FreeDOS :-( Well, I'm doing just that: using FreeDOS. I actually do *my work* in FreeDOS. Marcos -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi Bret, > Google up TSRCOM35 and download it. It's a package that's been > around for a LONG time, and has two programs called MARK and > RELEASE that are specifically designed to remove a TSR from > memory. Problem solved. Thanks! Marcos Campinas, Brazil -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Does anybody have any experience setting up a file server using Freedos? I am just wondering if it is a workable idea. Thanks, Jim -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, I am trying to use a USB memory disk along with FreeDOS. I am a running a CAM software and need a facility to transfer drawings from other computers to the PC used to run the CAM software and USB Memory disk is the simplest way. Can anyone let m know if this is possible and how. Thanks Manjunath -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi Eric, > another chance would obviously be making fdapm aware :-) Do you mean, authors making their programs FDAPM aware? Of course this would be ideal. > Do you know what makes fdapm unaware of the programs that > you mention, while dpakbd (?) is aware of their idleness? Sorry, as I'm just a user I have no idea of the complicated stuff that goes on behind the scenes. The only programs I write are in high-level languages such as Euphoria. Interestingly, I checked the Euphoria manual, and found that there are two distinct input commands, get_key() and wait_key(). The difference is that "on multi-tasking systems like Windows or Linux/FreeBSD, this 'busy waiting' would tend to slow the system down. wait_key() lets the operating system do other useful work while your program is waiting for the user to press a key." So I changed all the get_key's in my programs into wait_key's, and it really worked ... it even passed the finger-on-CPU test :-) But that's just about the kind of stuff I'm able to do, not more. Examples of non-aware programs which I use often and typically for long periods are: SuperCalc spreadsheet, DataPerfect database, Desi-III CAD, and the image viewers ShowJPG, PictView and LXPic. I don't think their authors would change them at this juncture. Fortunately, DPAKBD has been working well with them, but subject to the inconveniences I reported in the previous email, like freezing and rebooting. Text editors are no problem, since the best of them -- Aurora, FTE, Thomson-Davis, SetEdit -- are all natively FDAPM-aware. Same for the Links browser. Regards, Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- This SF email is sponsosred by: Try Windows Azure free for 90 days Click Here http://p.sf.net/sfu/sfd2d-msazure ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hello Friends In http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page It says, *If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive,* use the USB fob drive installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software packages. How exactly do I do that? The file FD12FULL.zip contains three files: FD12FULL.img FD12FULL.vmdk README.md Do I just unzip these three to the USB flash drive and boot into the USB drive? I tried it and it didn't work. Sorry for my ignorance. Thank you for your time. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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does freedos support ems and if so, how would i go about enabling it? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hello I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002 and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram. I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is not working. Where I can fix it? Thx Simon ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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from Jim Hall: > I don't know why the sources later had an "AMD" statement put on them, > but you cannot claim "proprietary" or "copyright" on something that > was previously released under the GNU General Public License. > It appears that somewhere along the line, someone (at AMD?) had access > to the sources, probably in a larger source tree, and ran a batch job > or script to apply the "AMD" statement to a bunch of source files. And > that happened to catch these GPL and public domain source files. I > believe that was done in error. The original public domain and GPL > declarations trump the latter "AMD" statement. > Resolution: > (1) Let's re-accept the FDNET package into the next FreeDOS distribution. > (2) I'll make a note about this decision in the FreeDOS wiki at > http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Releases/1.3/Packages > (this currently has a red "do not include" note on it .. I'll update > to change it a green "include" message) > (3) To prevent future confusion, I'll create a new version of these > source files that *removes* the "AMD" statement, where a previous GPL > or public domain declaration was already made. (I think that's all of > the files in question.) I'll also create (or update, if it exists) a > README file to note the changes to the source files, and why. > I look forward to including networking support again in the next > distribution, which should be FreeDOS 1.3 RC5. > *If you agree or disagree, I'd appreciate your reply to this email. > Agreement can be simply "agree" or "+1". If you disagree, please > discuss. (But consensus from the last discussion favored including > FDNET, so if no one disagrees now, I'll assume no concerns on this.) Agree Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Excerpt from Liam Proven: > I have been using NT since the first version, 3.1, in 1993. There is > no built-in facility or tool to run DOS under it and never has been. > That is why I asked. This is highly relevant and important to the > question. There are no "dots" to follow. > OS/2 2.x and Warp could boot DOS from a floppy, but I don't think even > they could run it from a disk partition. Not sure; I haven't used OS/2 > in over 25 years. I remember OS/2 2.x and Warp could run emulated DOS and could also boot and run a specific DOS, but with limitations. I ran OS/2 from 1.3 to Warp 4 Fixpack 12 until it crashed and destroyed most hard drive data sometime during the single-digit days of April 2001. I even remember my room temperature at that time was 83 F, which was, and still is, quite comfortable to me. After that, I was never again able to boot OS/2 even from the installation or other floppies (Trap 000c or 000e). I then ran DR-DOS 7.03 much of the time before migrating to Linux Slackware. Now I see no advantage in OS/2's successors (eComStation, ArcaOS) compared to choosing between FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux and Haiku which have the advantage of being open-source. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hello i have a question can freedos run on Power Mac G3 G4 ? Thanks for answer ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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hello everyone, here is an article in Italian that talks about the twentieth anniversary of freedos https://www.zeusnews.it/n.php?c=18841 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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i am attempting to get snuz running on my freedos 1.3 installation. i have a wattcp.cfg and a snuz.rc configured. however when i run snuz.exe i get "tcpopen failed" error. just wondering what exactly i am doing wrong. will gladly supply any requested files. thanks in advance. all the best, jimeric...@gmail.com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi!. Happy new year! I want to share this information that I hope it'll be useful for you. I wanted to use my usb flash drive in FreeDOS, however, I didn't found any information in the FreeDOS wiki, including the links section (I did found some useful programs and links in this mailing list), thus, I did some research and I found and classifed various drivers, that I tested as well. So, here is the list including some feedback on their behavior and also the links where you can find them. Also, I want to clarify the terms aspi manager and aspi disk driver. The former is a program that maps usbs to aspi devices, and the latter is the program that once it has recognized the aspi manager, assigns letters to the disk partitions. And finally, some useful information for testing the drivers: 1. You should disable the usb legacy support 2. I read on the mailing lists that some errors appeared with dos protected mode, so try using different boot options 3. Tinker with the different flags the drivers provide, e.g., in my computer I have one ehci and two ohci, but the usbaspi driver series only worked for me when using the /o flag (only ohci) Useful links: - https://www.bttr-software.de/links/ - https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/18/ - https://slomkowski.eu/retrocomputing/usb-mass-storage-on-ms-dos/ - https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=9257 - https://www.stefanthoolen.nl/archive/darkehorse - https://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm - https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=66403 - https://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2018-02-05-USB-in-MS-DOS-and-Win98.htm - http://ps-2.kev009.com/basil.holloway/ALL%20TXT/DOSusb.txt - http://www.pcxt-micro.com/ - https://freedos-user.narkive.com/vagYZYr9/x-windows-server-for-dos - https://pmwiki.xaver.me/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.USB - https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=2269 - https://groups.google.com/g/fido7.ru.dos/c/D9--YrvoibQ - https://msfn.org/board/topic/81926-usb-mass-storage-driver-for-dos/ - https://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t3362.html - https://fido7.ru.dos.narkive.com/vN2CjWEV/usb-support-for-dos- https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ms-dos7.hit.bg/dosware/usb/* P.S.It'll be great if we can add this information to a FreeDOS wiki page, so it can be more accesible. List: - DOSUSB20 2.0 demo version for USB 2.0 and USB 1.1 by Georg Potthast [http://www.dosusb.net/download.htm] / Did not work / First, I tested usbdisk.sys and then dosusb and viceversa / Tested dosusb with /1 and /L (no output) / Usbdisk.sys when loaded tells it has assigned a letter, but then a drive not ready error appears / Tested loading usbdisk.sys and then the motto hairu driver - USBDOS (version 2010-01-30) by Bret Johnson [[https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distribu](https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distribu\)tions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/usbdos.html] / Not tested because it only works for UHCI which I don't have / Good documentation, both on how the program works and how usb works in general / Good program that lists available controllers (USBHOSTS.COM) - USBASPI aspi manager series / An article from The inquirer that gives information on how it works [[https://web.archive.org/web/20070216201](https://web.archive.org/web/20070216201\)356/https://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=10215] - ver1.07 by NOVAC Co., Ltd. [https://www.grc.com/dev/sr6/USB_and_Firewire/Various/] / Did not work / "OHCI memory mapped I/O not assigned" error - ver2.01 by MediaLogic Corp [https://www.grc.com/dev/sr6/USB_and_Firewire/Various/] / Did not work / Did not found the usb device - ver2.00 [not found] - ver2.06 by Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20030610013759/http://panasonic.co.jp:80/pcc/products/drive/other/driver/f2h_usb.exe](https://web.archive.org/web/20030610013759/http://panasonic.c\)] / Works / Takes a lot of time to find the usb - ver2.15 by Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20040605200642/http://panasonic.co.jp:80/pcc/products/drive/other/driver/f2h_usb.exe](https://web.archive.org/web/20040605200642/http://panasonic.c\)] / Works - ver2.20 by Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20070102103153/http://panasonic.co.jp:80/pcc/products/drive/other/driver/f2h_usb.exe](https://web.archive.org/web/20070102103153/http://panasonic.c\)] / Works - ver2.24 [not found] - ver2.27 by Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20130603214121/http://panasonic.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130603214121/http://panasonic.j\)jp/com/support/drive/archive/f2h/f2h_usb.exe] - ver2.27x modified version by FANJIANYE and revised in 2010/09/16 [[https://web.archive.org/web/2021050612144](https://web.archive.org/web/2021050612144\)2/http://www.mdgx.com/files/USBEXFAT.ZIP] / Works / Is the fastest version available - ver2.28 (modified version???) [[https://web.archive.org/web/20210506121442/htt
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To whom may be of assistance, I am interested in purchasing a Dell Workstation desktop 360n. The computer comes with FreeDOS. I would like to use Linux as an operating system, specifically the Xandros v.2. Is it possible to put the Linux (Xandros) operating system on the Dell computer that I have described? I am new to FreeDOS and Linux so any details are appreciated, thanks.
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I have a machine that was using FreeDOS and the on board serial port as a terminal. The on board serial port died, and I need to put a serial PCI card in the machine (there are only PCI slots). Has anyone used a PCI serial card with FreeDOS with success? I have no experience with using PCI cards in MSDOS or FreeDOS. Thanx. -- The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong. http://GCFL.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean funnies five times a week, no ads, for free! --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Continuing the thread "HIMEM vs. FDXMS" started by Eric Auer: JAS>> If I use XMS but not EMS, I can save some bytes in UMB (real-mode UMB) by JAS>> using FDXMS instead of HIMEM... EA>How big is that difference at the moment? 70 (hex) paragraphs for FDXMS.SYS v0.94 against 9E paragraphs for HIMEM.EXE that came in EMMX203.zip, that is, 736 (decimal) bytes. Quite small,indeed, but if the UMB space is one paragraph less than required by some driver, all of it will be loaded low. EA>HIMEM supports all sizes of RAM already, but is limited to 386 and newer CPU. EA>For FD*XMS*, you have one "up to 64MB" version and one "unlimited" version, EA>and the "up to 64MB" version is smaller on disk and in RAM. You also have a EA>third version, FDXMS286. This works on 286 CPU and is limited to 64 MB (on EA>286 even 16 MB) RAM. Yes,I knew it. I think this is a good feature of FDXMS. EA>PS: Supporting memory pool sharing means that you have to follow the EA>MS style handle table data format in the "up to 4 GB" variant. Both EA>FD*XMS* family and the Deskwork.de variant of FD HIMEM save some DOS EA>RAM by not supporting memory pool sharing that way. You mean: 1)the size difference is all in the support for pool sharing ? 2)It shall not be possible to have pool sharing in a "up to 64 MB" XMS driver ? I am somewhat curious about the speed difference between these drivers,but could not yet find a way to measure it, not even if there is any. JAS --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Eric wrote: >PPS: Acrobat/DOS can do PDF 1.1-almost1.2? Indeed old. But most current >are 1.4 / 1.5? I do not think so. My up-to-1.3 acroread/Linux displays >all files so far. Probably some companies thinking "it is new so everybody >must use it to force all others to use it as well", without thinking about >whether 1.4 / 1.5 actually has features which are useful in that context. I told what I saw. I think most large companies upgrade their Acrobat from time to time without any regard whether or not it is really needed, and their personnel does not care to configure Distiller (if this is possible ) to produce a lower PDF version output. Indeed, I saw nothing in any PDF 1.5 document I viewed that could not be present with PDF 1.3 . BTW-Most files I view are electronic components datasheets/specifications. This also happens with other programs. One blatant example are websites- many require some late version of IE/Netscape wthout any good reason for it. JAS --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Henry Lee wrote: > I just went through the FreeDOS install howto and eventually got > everything to work, but I ran into an issue. One of the steps of the > howto says to edit autoexec.bat changing the line "REM LH PCNTPK > INT=0x60" to "LH PCNTPK INT=0x60". This didn't work for me. Somehow the > packet driver was never actually loaded on startup. What did work is > changing the line to "PCNTPK INT=0x60" without the LH. I'm not much on > batch scripting so I'm not totally sure what "LH" does, but some > googling reveals that it means Load Highmem. Can anybody give me an > explanation? LH is an abbreviation for LOADHIGH. The systems on which MS-DOS was first used had a one MB address space. Of that, 640KB was "conventional" memory, available to applications. The memory above 640K was reserved for the system and things like video memory. It was possible to load some things in unused space in the area between 640KB and 1MB, and this space was referred as "upper" or "high" memory. You made it available by loading the HIMEM.SYS driver first. There was a LOADHIGH command usable in AUTOEXEC.BAT, and a corresponding DEVICEHIGH command usable in CONFIG.SYS. The problem was how much high memory was available. Depending on what all you wanted to load high, there might not be room for everything. One of the things users learned to do was play with the order in which stuff loaded, because they would require more memory to install and initialize than they took once loaded. A program might fail to load high because there wasn't enough memory to hold it during the load and initialize phase if other stuff was already loaded, but *would* install if loaded earlier, with the other stuff loaded after it. Your issue looks like either HIMEM.SYS wasn't loaded, and no high memory was available, or there was insufficient room in upper memory to load PCNTPK. > Cheers, > Henry __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, > It was possible to load some things in unused space in the area > between 640KB and 1MB, and this space was referred as "upper" or > "high" memory. This is rather inaccurate. As I have indicated in my reply to the other thread, the 384 KiB above 640 KiB (this is the top part of the 1 MiB) are referred to as Upper Memory Area (UMA). Almost a full 64 KiB above the 1 MiB (1024 KiB to 1088 KiB, linear address 10_h to 10_FFF0h) are what is referred to as the High Memory Area (HMA). LH, LOADHIGH is unfortunately misleadingly named in that its operation actually involves only the _Upper_ Memory Area, it has nothing to do with the High Memory Area! > You made it available by loading the HIMEM.SYS driver > first. This is incorrect, HIMEM generally only makes the HMA available to DOS (if a HMA is available at all). Generally, EMM386 makes blocks of the UMA, ie UMBs, available to DOS (again only if any UMBs are available at all). > Your issue looks like either HIMEM.SYS wasn't loaded, and no high > memory was available, or there was insufficient room in upper memory > to load PCNTPK. Again, HIMEM is not directly related to UMBs or LOADHIGH. Additionally, LOADHIGH should seldom fail in situations in which the same command lacking LOADHIGH would succeed, even if no or little space is available in DOS UMBs. Regards, Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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>> if the answer to 2) is 'FreeDOS' then either SHARE.EXE is not running >> or SHARE.EXE is buggy. the latter is quite likely as it was never >> really tested against network access. > > I think SHARE.COM must be running because the two-computer test > network works perfectly -- as long as the two users won't press > and hold arrow keys of PgUp/PgDn simultaneously, or try to run > reports from the client. In other words, as long as server and > client don't attempt to access the hard drive in the same > millisecond or so. That is not the right way to determine whether "SHARE" is loaded. Your conclusion hence might quite plausibly be wrong. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: > Aha! So that's why one of my favorite text editors won't run in > some machines; it' the same error message, and it uses the > Borland interface too. Which editor? An assortment use the Borland interface. Some are based on the old Borland Editor Toolkit, but I believe there are a few more modern variants in Pascal that don't. > Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros > Campinas, Brazil __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Op 5-8-2012 11:57, Mark Brown schreef: > how do you set up the c: drive, format, and sys the drive > under vmware workstation 8? > > very short replies are fine. 0) use a FreeDOS bootdisk(-image) or installation CD. 1) run FDISK (and create active primary FAT/FAT32 partition) 2) reboot so BIOS/kernel recognises new partition 3) FORMAT C: 4) SYS C: -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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I can do it this way: 1) configure VMware as Bridge PCnet NIC 2) use the drivers from netbootdisk.com for the driver inside VMware. the guy there is making an excelent job of collecting new drivers It just works... Alain Em 19-09-2012 19:53, George Brooks escreveu: > I'm experimenting with FreeDOS in an effort to find a solution for > access to a legacy DOS application. The environment is an HP laptop > (6730s) running Win7 32-bit, VMWare Player v5 and FreeDOS 1.1. All > proceeds smoothly until I try to gain access to a printer share via > MSClient. (This is the only way I can see to get the application to > print.) The challenge occurs when attempting to load the driver for the > laptop's ethernet card - a Marvell Yukon. The driver is named yuknd.dos. > > I've tried a number of configurations based on postings found on the > web. In an effort to narrow the problem down I entered the following > into fdconfig.sys: > > device=c:\net\yuknd.dos > > When stepping thru boot, this line results in the error message > "Controller not found". What means, if any, are available to get over > this? (The laptop also has wireless, but I suspect that is even more > highly problematic.) > > Many thanks for sharing your wisdom. > > George > > ps: my apologies if my lack of understanding of lists has caused this to > be a duplicate posting. > > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Op 20-9-2012 0:53, George Brooks schreef: > device=c:\net\yuknd.dos I'm not entirely up to date with this subject nor the mail thread, but usually MS Client NDIS drivers are loaded in a slightly different way. You'd have to install MS Client and supply the drivers when MS Client asks for it. Alternatively there might be ready-to-run bootdisks or configuration tricks available on the internet through Google on the subject of providing modern NDIS drivers to MS Client. > When stepping thru boot, this line results in the error message > "Controller not found". What means, if any, are available to get over > this? (The laptop also has wireless, but I suspect that is even more > highly problematic.) From CONFIG.SYS I can only remember PROTMAN or IFSHLP being loaded, rest goes into AUTOEXEC.BAT or MS Client configuration scripts. Printer mapping to LPT1 (Parallel Port) in VMware should also be an option. -- Got visibility? Most devs has no idea what their production app looks like. Find out how fast your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219671;13503038;y? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, On Mar 23, 2013 4:37 PM, "Marcos Favero Florence de Barros" < fav...@mpcnet.com.br> wrote: > > > That's what I thought might be the case. Your source files are > > basically 7 bit ASCII. > > > I'd call your use case something to be handled by a Revision > > Control System. We normally think of them as used for program > > code, but they can be used for manuscripts as well. Take a look > > at Walter Tichy's RCS, available for FreeDOS. > > I downloaded RCS and had a look at it, but as far as writing > this book is concerned my needs are very modest compared to the > capabilities of RCS, especially because I'm the sole author. It's just an easy way to manage multiple versions, record and see what and when changes were made, and undo them if necessary. Some text editors make using such SCMs easier, e.g. GNU Emacs or VIM. Some (e.g. JED, which I need to package up for FreeDOS one of these days) also seem to have their own LaTeX modes too (not that I've tried!), if you're willing to switch editors temporarily. (TDE is great but doesn't have lots of frills or extensibility.) > So I'll probably stay with the simpler solution -- an archiver > such as 7zip. > > But I may use RCS in the future, so thanks for the hint anyway. As mentioned, RCS only stores the deltas, aka changes, instead of copying the whole file verbatim. It's basically just a convenient front end to Diff.exe with some meta-data for miscellaneous info. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: > >> That's what I thought might be the case. Your source files are >> basically 7 bit ASCII. > >> I'd call your use case something to be handled by a Revision >> Control System. We normally think of them as used for program >> code, but they can be used for manuscripts as well. Take a look >> at Walter Tichy's RCS, available for FreeDOS. > > I downloaded RCS and had a look at it, but as far as writing > this book is concerned my needs are very modest compared to the > capabilities of RCS, especially because I'm the sole author. While Revision Control Systems have steadily expanded, in the direction of supporting multiple developers who may be in different locations all working on the same code base. they're useful useful if you're the only user. What they do is let you track, control, and reverse changes on a far finer level than a full copy of the manuscript. An outfit called Component Software has a version of RCS that claims to work with Word and Excel. Most RCS systems assume ASCII files > So I'll probably stay with the simpler solution -- an archiver > such as 7zip. > > But I may use RCS in the future, so thanks for the hint anyway. You're welcome. > Marcos > > > > -- > Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros > Campinas, Brazil > > > > -- > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, Is this what you are looking for? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/ Cheers, Bojan. On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Mark Brown wrote: > i, for one, would like to see a freedos ftp site > where 1) only the latest version of everything is posted > and 2) where the whole thing could be downloaded as one file. > > let's face it, > the freedos project suffers from > substantial fragmentation, and substantial disorganization. > > if someone anywhere could donate (sourceforge?) space to this > endeavor, the price would be just right, too! > can anyone think of how to implement this at no cost? > > otherwise i'll just understand that that the cost is prohibitive > and we'll just have to download everything in pieces as it comes > out in updated form. > > > > eufdp...@yahoo.com > eufdp...@yahoo.com > eufdp...@yahoo.com > eufdp...@yahoo.com > eufdp...@yahoo.com > > -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, As Bojan already pointed out, such place already exists. It's here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/ This is the FDNPKG repository (FDNPKG being the FreeDOS online update/package manager tool). It can be used offline, too, simply get the all_cd.iso file and all packages are there. Mateusz On 09/15/2013 02:14 PM, Mark Brown wrote: > is there a place you can download all of freedos in one big piece, > but including all the up-to-date everything? > > it would surely be convenient. > -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi Mateusz, >> is there a place you can download all of freedos in one big piece, >> but including all the up-to-date everything? > As Bojan already pointed out, such place already exists. It's here: > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/ this would be seriously absolutely mega fantastic. a single place where all this junk is not only collected, but even sorted. what a modern concept. unfortunately there is no *direct* pointer from freedos.org to this place some 50% contain no source (GPL violation) (before you ask, I checked only kernel, more, deltree, edlin, comp) it's not updated :( >> >> it would surely be convenient. I agree with that. Tom -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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You could try using a SATA to IDE adapter in your other machine. That would probably provide the low-level access to the partition table the software needs. Do you know why the old IDE machine is non-functional? If you have the time to troubleshoot the problem it might be something cheap and easy to repair and you could restore that machine for purposes like this. Those are my ideas, good luck. On 5/15/14, kurt godel wrote: > Have an old 80 gig hard drive with an HPA(host protected access) partition, > which is wasting space; tried to use linux function 'hdparm' > on it using an ide/usb adapter, but recieved message "bad or missing sense > data", exactly what I get with flash drives and sd cards. >Threw the drive in an old ide machine to hit it with hdparm, but the > machine is non-functional. My other machine is sata only. >Any ideas to do this? > -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Do you have a floppy drive? If you do then make a dos bootable floppy. Find wipe on the web and download it. Run wipe to clean the drive of everything. Your floppy should also have fdisk & format on it. After wipe is finished type fdisk/mbr. This should give you a fresh MBR. Then use fdisk to install a fat32 partition. Next format C:. Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work without being activated. You can also buy a cf to ide adapter on Amazon.com and run a CF chip on your ide port. Another good dos program is IDECHECK. It will read out all your registers and test the drive for speed. cheers DS On Thu, 15 May 2014 21:57:11 +0800 kurt godel writes: > Have an old 80 gig hard drive with an HPA(host protected access) > partition, > which is wasting space; tried to use linux function 'hdparm' > on it using an ide/usb adapter, but recieved message "bad or missing > sense > data", exactly what I get with flash drives and sd cards. >Threw the drive in an old ide machine to hit it with hdparm, but > the > machine is non-functional. My other machine is sata only. >Any ideas to do this? ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5374dab4616645ab4612est02duc -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work without being > activated. XP on FAT32? > DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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dmccunney wrote: >> Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work without being >> activated. > > XP on FAT32? Why the shudder? I have never run WXP on anything but FAT32. Currently it is on four machines in the office plus whatever is in the shop. It is a matter of cross-platform access; everything can use FAT32, share data, and perform maintenance. Ray -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Ray Davison wrote: > dmccunney wrote: > >>> Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work without >>> being activated. >> >> XP on FAT32? > > Why the shudder? I have never run WXP on anything but FAT32. Currently > it is on four machines in the office plus whatever is in the shop. It > is a matter of cross-platform access; everything can use FAT32, share > data, and perform maintenance. Why the shudder? Dead easy. FAT *sucks* as a file system. The advantage is that it's well understood and widely implemented, and just about everything knows how to read it. The disadvantage is that it's the opposite of robust, lacks redundancy, lacks any notion of rights and permissions because there's no place in the file system to store the needed metadata, and $DIETY help you if you ever have bad file system damage. I've spent way too much time over the years trying to repair damaged FAT file systems. Have a problem? Run CHKDSK. CHKDSK will find an assortment of lost clusters, and give them names like FILE.CHK in a FOUND.000 directory. Can you actually do anything with them? Unlikely - they probably aren't complete and are unusable. Your normal option is to simply delete them, and the FOUND.000 directory. Were they parts of something important that is now truncated and broken? Too bad, and you better have a backup copy of whatever got trashed. I use NTFS on Win2K and XP, and would not use anything else. Why? It's robust. On the infrequent occasions NFTS has problems, CHKDSK simply fixes them, and puts everything back under it's right name in it's proper location. The only time I ever saw that *not* happen was when a directory entry happened to be sitting on a bad block. CHKDSK collected the files under their right names and assigned them to a FOUND.000 directory. All I had to do was rename the directory to what the original had been. It supports rights and permissions. 2K and XP introduced the concept that there may be more than one user on the machine, and NTFS provides storage for the metadata to specify what user owns what files and what permissions that user has. Through XP, Windows used the assumption that the user of the machine was the Administrator with all powers to do everything. That changed in Vista/7/8, and by default, the user is *not* Administrator. That was a security measure. as many exploits that target windows require administrator privileges to do their dirty work, and bounce off if the user is *not* running as Administrator. Under XP, you can create a Power User (XP Pro) or Limited User (XP Home) userid that works the same way, but you must be under NTFS for it to work. It supports links. Under Unix, a directory entry doesn't point to a file. It points to a kernel maintained data structure called an inode, that holds the information on the file's owner, owner's group, permissions, and creation/access times, plus pointers to the actual blocks on disk where the file resides. This permits a level of indirection. You can have the same file appear in more than one directory, or appear under several different names in the same directory. The Unix vi editor is an example. Ex is the line editor. Vi is the full screen editor. View is a read only file viewer. All three are links to the same underlying program. It looks to see what name it was called by, and behaves accordingly. You can have hard links, which are all on teh same file system, or symbolic links, which can span file systems. A symbolic link is similar in concept to a Windows shortcut, but more powerful. It's a pointer to a file or directory on another file system, and the OS follows it an opens the file. You have to do some digging to discover that something *is* a symlink. NTFS5 supports hard links, and under Vista/Win7/Win8, symbolic links. A Japanese developer wrote a driver that provides symlink support under 2K and XP as well. I make use of this. NTFS supports compression, on a directory basis. I make extensive use of this. NTFS supports encryption, on a directory basis. I multiboot Windows, Linux, and FreeDOS. Windows is on NTFS. Linux is on ext4. FreeDOS is on FAT32. Linux has native support for NTFS, and can see the Windows partition and access stuff on it. I found an open source driver for Windows that lets it read/write the Linux ext4 partitions. Windows and Linux can both read/write the FAT32 partition. FreeDOS can only see its own parition, but I don't *care*. I have no need to access Windows or Linux files from FreeDOS. If WinXP on FAT32 works for you, fine. I wouldn't touch it with a stick. Too much of what I'm accustomed to doing simply can't be done on FAT32. FAT originated in the days when hardware was much less powerful, and the sort of file systems on larger systems weren't possible. They have been on PCs for quite some time, and I see no reason not to take advantage of them. I have no need to restrict myself to
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Since MS has stopped supporting XP, you probably won't be able to get it activated, anymore. Nothing wrong with fat32 unless you're really thinking BIG.. DS On Thu, 15 May 2014 11:30:22 -0400 dmccunney writes: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: > > > Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work > without being activated. > > XP on FAT32? > > > DS > __ > Dennis > https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 > > - - > "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For > FREE > Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. > Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform > available > Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." > http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > Best Stock Tips for 2014 > Top Investor Reveals 19 Stocks You Must have in Your Portfolio in > 2014 > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/53756153232ab615308aamp06duc > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Thu, 15 May 2014 11:30:22 -0400, dmccunney wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: > >> Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work without >> being activated. > > XP on FAT32? > I have always run XP on FAT32 without problems. The only downside in my book is the 4GB file limit. NTFS is overly complicated. -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:31 AM, TJ Edmister wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 2014 11:30:22 -0400, dmccunney > wrote: >> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner >> wrote: >> >>> Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work without >>> being activated. >> >> XP on FAT32? > > I have always run XP on FAT32 without problems. The only downside in my > book is the 4GB file limit. NTFS is overly complicated. What's complicated about it? If you don't use optional capabilities like compression or encryption, you mostly don't have to do anything to use it. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Since MS has stopped supporting XP, you probably won't be able to get it > activated, anymore. Possibly, though "stopped supporting" means "will no longer get critical updates", As it happens, MS blinked on that - an update got issued recently fixing an IE zero day vulnerability that affected all versions of IE from 6 - 11, and the update was released for XP as well as Win Vista/7/8. > Nothing wrong with fat32 unless you're really thinking BIG.. Nothing wrong with FAT32 as a file system for a storage medium you want readable by anything. If you want to run an OS on it, the equation changes dramatically. > DS __ Dennis -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Fri, 16 May 2014 11:29:09 -0400, dmccunney wrote: > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:31 AM, TJ Edmister > wrote: >> On Thu, 15 May 2014 11:30:22 -0400, dmccunney >> >> wrote: >>> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner >>> wrote: >>> Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work without being activated. >>> >>> XP on FAT32? >> >> I have always run XP on FAT32 without problems. The only downside in my >> book is the 4GB file limit. NTFS is overly complicated. > > What's complicated about it? If you don't use optional capabilities > like compression or encryption, you mostly don't have to do anything > to use it. The aforementioned lack of support among different OS (owing to the complexity of the low-level implementation), as well as incompatibilities between versions of Windows and the filesystem itself (eg. the Win7 installer would crash without explanation when attempting to install on an existing NTFS partition created with an earlier version of Windows) "Links" are problematic. I have seen links to a directory inside its own directory tree. This results in a situation where eg. a DIR /S command runs indefinitely. And the only way I know to remove such a link is with a sector editor. I never liked the idea of file metadata (or alternate data streams, which are possible but not commonly used AFAIK) as they tend to not be preserved when copied to another filesystem, archived, or uploaded. Making a change to file permissions on an NTFS volume involves a minutes-long process of updating the attributes for every individual file affected (just a base Windows install is tens of thousands of files these days) -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:44 PM, TJ Edmister wrote: > On Fri, 16 May 2014 11:29:09 -0400, dmccunney > wrote: >> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:31 AM, TJ Edmister >> wrote: >>> On Thu, 15 May 2014 11:30:22 -0400, dmccunney >>> wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work without > being activated. XP on FAT32? >>> >>> I have always run XP on FAT32 without problems. The only downside in my >>> book is the 4GB file limit. NTFS is overly complicated. >> >> What's complicated about it? If you don't use optional capabilities >> like compression or encryption, you mostly don't have to do anything >> to use it. > > The aforementioned lack of support among different OS (owing to the > complexity of the low-level implementation), as well as incompatibilities > between versions of Windows and the filesystem itself (eg. the Win7 > installer would crash without explanation when attempting to install on an > existing NTFS partition created with an earlier version of Windows) That never bit me because I don't try to install over an existing Windows installation, I've always preferred to do a clean install on a fresh partition, multi-boot between old and new versions, and migrate stuff from old to new after installation. I don't think that was an NTFS problem per se, however. It sounds like an issue with the Windows installer. > "Links" are problematic. I have seen links to a directory inside its own > directory tree. This results in a situation where eg. a DIR /S command > runs indefinitely. And the only way I know to remove such a link is with a > sector editor. Links are problematic if you don't know what you are doing. I had a Unix machine at home before I got my first MS-DOS PC. I was delighted when a facility I made extensive use of under Unix finally became available under Windows because Windows moved to NTFS and NTFS supported the concept. While you *can* do links in NTFS, the capability isn't exposed by default. You need to install a Microsoft or third party utility to do it. I use a freeware utility called Link Shell Extension that provides a right-click context menu entry to create and remove hard and symbolic links. I don't recommend links for most users because you *do* have to know what you're doing, But I do, and make use of the capabilities they provide. > I never liked the idea of file metadata (or alternate data streams, which > are possible but not commonly used AFAIK) as they tend to not be preserved > when copied to another filesystem, archived, or uploaded. I largely don't care. To the extent I do stuff like that, to copies are between Windows and Linux. Linux doesn't support that stuff, so I don't care that the metadata doesn't travel with the file. > Making a change to file permissions on an NTFS volume involves a > minutes-long process of updating the attributes for every individual file > affected (just a base Windows install is tens of thousands of files these > days) Depends on the change you make and the number of files affected. I've occasionally had to boot into safe mode to do permissions changes when files imported from elsewhere came in with the wrong permissions settings, but it was a "once in a while" occurrence, and not something happening frequently enough to become a real annoyance. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: >> Just heard about LaTeX here and being curious, just want to understand - >> learn more about it. I use DOS Wordperfect 6.2 for most everything, just >> wonder >> if LaTeX can do more. Looks like its a script language like HTML that has >> to be compiled to a PS file then converted to pdf by ghost. > > and on Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:57:26 -0400 dmccunney > wrote: > >> LaTeX is a document preparation system and document markup language. >> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX and http://latex-project.org/ >> It's based on TeX, a typesetting system designed by Professor Donald >> E. Knuth, author of the classic The Art of Computer Programming. >> It's useful for things like scientific papers where you must embed >> equations in the document. > > I do translation and/or editing of scientific papers, and often > receive the manuscripts in LaTeX. > > Its distinguishing feature is the high quality and refinement of > its typesetting. My understanding is that MS-Word has not yet > reached that level, even after all those decades. (I mention > MS-Word because it is the only alternative to LaTeX widely > accepted by scientific journals). Word is a word processor, not a typesetting system. There are things it is not intended to do, and if you need those things, Word is not what you use. For instance, when books are written and published by traditional publishers, a Word document is the original manuscript, but the actual book is produced by importing the Word document into Adobe InDesign for markup and typesetting, and a PDF produced by InDesign is what the printer makes plates from. > I'm currently writing a technical book, and chose to do it in > LaTeX. The result looks great. > > However, LaTeX is complex, and there is no other way of learning > it except by studying systematically, and even then, it requires > experience. It's like learning a programming language. Fundamentally, you *are* learning a programming language. >> It's worth learning about, but DOS is the wrong place to do it. >> The tools basically don't exist there. If you want to learn >> about/use LaTeX, you really need to be running Windows or Linux. > > Maybe you're better off running Windows or Linux, I'll concede > that, but you can do it in DOS too. I do it all the time. My > distribution is EmTex, by Eberhard Mattes, and it runs very well. I respect the fact that you *can* still do what you need to do in DOS. I would not try. There are too many hoops to jump through. My general advice to anyone trying to learn anything computer related is "Use a supported platform. Your life will be much easier." > Marcos __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I remember using IBM's Tiny Editor, 16-bit for DOS and OS/2, in DR-DOS 7.03, > not open source. > > Tiny Editor was useful on IBM OS/2 installation floppies because of tiny > size, could edit up to about 350 KB file or a little larger, more in OS/2 1.x. I think you're referring to T, a freeware editor by Tim Baldwin at IBM's UK labs: http://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?T I have it here. Like various other DOS editors, it edits files up the the limit of conventional memory. > Using elvis 2.2, I was able to view and edit files in DR-DOS above 1.5 MB, > but scrolling through a file of 3 MB was prohibitively slow; no such problem > in Linux. > > Maybe that was because DOS is not really made for large RAM. Editors I'm aware of that ran under DOS and edited really large files used spill files, keeping what would fit in memory in RAM, and the rest on disk, swapping to disk as required. On DOS machines, that was *slow*. DOS wasn't made for large RAM. The 8088 CPU machines on which it ran had an address space of 1MB, and 640K of that was usable by DOS. If you had more RAM than that installed, you needed it seen as EMS or XMS, and accessed by convoluted programming. > Still, I prefer to switch to Linux, FreeBSD or NetBSD to edit anything > serious, using vi. > > Apparently DOS, including FreeDOS, works better on an older computer than on > a modern computer. Yes. It was designed for older machines. It simply can't use most of what newer ones offer. > Tom __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi,
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>
> Using elvis 2.2, I was able to view and edit files in DR-DOS above 1.5 MB, but
> scrolling through a file of 3 MB was prohibitively slow; no such problem in
> Linux.
I had bad memories of Elvis. Not that it was bad in features, but 2.2
was much more heavyweight than 1.8, and it always ran out of memory. A
quick check shows that Elvis 2.2 can indeed edit more than 64 kb
files, but the (HTML-based) ":help" almost always seems to choke and
die.
IIRC, the author just never had enough time nor interest to port it to
32-bit (DJGPP), so DOS was stuck with a somewhat limited 16-bit
version. It does say that it uses a temporary file, but I couldn't
find any trace of it (":sh"), only something related to settings, no
temporary user file data.
> Maybe that was because DOS is not really made for large RAM.
"Raw" or XMSv3 can handle it fine (with or without DPMI on top).
Obviously DJGPP stuff has no problem (usually) with pretty huge
amounts.
There's an old file manager on Simtel (mirrors) under /fileutil/ call
DOS Controller (dc-sk.zip). It's closed source, but it's very small.
It has a built-in editor which allowed almost total free conventional
memory. A quick check under DOSBox (with NASM 0.98.39's nasmdoc.txt,
which is ~500 kb) shows "565153 used, 14239 free". It's hard to get
much better than that.
Back in the day, I used (16-bit) TDE 4.0. It roughly gave you 400 kb.
When Jason updated it (5.x), he converted the binary config to plain
text, plus added syntax highlighting. So now the real-mode version
(TDER) only gets roughly 200 kb. So I don't use that, I only use the
(new) 32-bit DJGPP version (TDEP), which can handle almost anything I
throw at it (within reason).
> Still, I prefer to switch to Linux, FreeBSD or NetBSD to edit anything
> serious, using vi.
You mean "nvi", which is an 100% compatible reimplementation but with
(IIRC) unlimited undo, 8-bit clean, and maybe? filename completion in
the ex command buffer. This is unlike something like VILE, which is
more or less "mostly" compatible (but based upon MicroEmacs!).
Actually, wasn't nvi loosely based upon Elvis originally? Anyways, nvi
has some excellent docs, that's all I remember.
Though keep in mind that "vi" is considered very cryptic, so most end
users don't like it. Doesn't FreeBSD also come with ee as a simpler
alternative? And of course Emacs lovers don't like modality but prefer
modifier keys. Heck, Emacs can mimic vi, if you want.
> Apparently DOS, including FreeDOS, works better on an older computer than on
> a modern computer.
No, but modern cpus aren't designed for DOS in mind (search mailing
list archives for "speedstep" or "EIST"). Most computers don't even
have APM anymore, so (worse, more complex) ACPI is all there is. Not
to mention (lack of) multi-core and 64-bit and (popular) network
drivers and (overly complex) USB.
It's not the fault of the OS but instead lack of "developers
developers developers".
> I just went to drdos.com just to check the price for DR-DOS 7.03, was $79;
> last time I looked previously, it was $39.
Dunno why, nothing's changed (AFAIK). It still good but showing its
age. I'm not sure it's worth getting, honestly, unless you really need
multitasking (and don't mind 64 MB task limit). Use DOSEMU!
> Download link for DR-DOS 7.03 from drdos.net is no good; links no longer
> valid is a problem
> with much old DOS software.
Blame the popular shareware and FTP sites for disappearing. I guess
most people don't have much vested interest in software preservation.
Especially not these days with entirely different goals and a quicker
(more destructive) upgrade pace.
BTW, DR-DOS 7.03 was never "freeware", AFAIK, only (temporarily?)
"trialware". Even OpenDOS 7.01 was "non-commercial only". Use FreeDOS!
> I still have and occasionally use Borland Quattro Pro 5 for DOS; dBASE IV 1.5
> less frequently.
Well, that's half the point, to keep software compatibility. Most
people (reasonably?) don't want to throw everything away.
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Hi, On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:19 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> >> Maybe that was because DOS is not really made for large RAM. > > Editors I'm aware of that ran under DOS and edited really large files > used spill files, keeping what would fit in memory in RAM, and the > rest on disk, swapping to disk as required. On DOS machines, that was > *slow*. Most pmode editors (esp. 32-bit) don't need to swap at all if you have the available RAM. So it's not slow at all. And just saying it's always "slow" is wrong too. You can buy faster HDs now than ever. Not to mention obvious workarounds like UDMA, software cache, RAM disk. > DOS wasn't made for large RAM. The 8088 CPU machines on which it ran > had an address space of 1MB, and 640K of that was usable by DOS. If > you had more RAM than that installed, you needed it seen as EMS or > XMS, and accessed by convoluted programming. No, many compilers make it totally transparent to the end user. So you don't even have to write any non-portable code (usually). And this goes even beyond obvious "32-bit DPMI" DJGPP-based ones (GCC, GPC, FPC, FBC). >> Still, I prefer to switch to Linux, FreeBSD or NetBSD to edit anything >> serious, using vi. >> >> Apparently DOS, including FreeDOS, works better on an older computer than on >> a modern computer. > > Yes. It was designed for older machines. It simply can't use most of > what newer ones offer. No. "Some" things can still be supported (e.g. SIMD). But out of those, only a few get done because of lack of developers and testers. The other things are either mutually exclusive (one or other, not both, can be supported) or totally incompatible with a single-core-only OS (e.g. EIST). The really heavyweight stuff would need an entire team of professionals, though, and we just don't have the means to attract them. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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I thank you all for the advice. I have compared a few editors and have decided to start with Setedit. I am updating a bible translation (The Concordant Literal Translation) which I originally compiled for my BibleWorks program using UltraEdit in Linux. The Old Testament text recently received a long overdue update and I wish to update my text to correspond to the new one using a DOS text editor first (for kicks - if that's OK - just to see if I can. I split the OT text out and it loads fine and updates changes quickly. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:19 PM, dmccunney > wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Thomas Mueller > wrote: > >> > >> Maybe that was because DOS is not really made for large RAM. > > > > Editors I'm aware of that ran under DOS and edited really large files > > used spill files, keeping what would fit in memory in RAM, and the > > rest on disk, swapping to disk as required. On DOS machines, that was > > *slow*. > > Most pmode editors (esp. 32-bit) don't need to swap at all if you have > the available RAM. So it's not slow at all. > > And just saying it's always "slow" is wrong too. You can buy faster > HDs now than ever. Not to mention obvious workarounds like UDMA, > software cache, RAM disk. > > > DOS wasn't made for large RAM. The 8088 CPU machines on which it ran > > had an address space of 1MB, and 640K of that was usable by DOS. If > > you had more RAM than that installed, you needed it seen as EMS or > > XMS, and accessed by convoluted programming. > > No, many compilers make it totally transparent to the end user. So you > don't even have to write any non-portable code (usually). And this > goes even beyond obvious "32-bit DPMI" DJGPP-based ones (GCC, GPC, > FPC, FBC). > > >> Still, I prefer to switch to Linux, FreeBSD or NetBSD to edit anything > serious, using vi. > >> > >> Apparently DOS, including FreeDOS, works better on an older computer > than on a modern computer. > > > > Yes. It was designed for older machines. It simply can't use most of > > what newer ones offer. > > No. "Some" things can still be supported (e.g. SIMD). But out of > those, only a few get done because of lack of developers and testers. > The other things are either mutually exclusive (one or other, not > both, can be supported) or totally incompatible with a > single-core-only OS (e.g. EIST). The really heavyweight stuff would > need an entire team of professionals, though, and we just don't have > the means to attract them. > > > -- > Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, > sponsored > by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for > all > things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs > to > news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the > conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:19 PM, dmccunney wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: >>> >>> Maybe that was because DOS is not really made for large RAM. >> >> Editors I'm aware of that ran under DOS and edited really large files >> used spill files, keeping what would fit in memory in RAM, and the >> rest on disk, swapping to disk as required. On DOS machines, that was >> *slow*. > > Most pmode editors (esp. 32-bit) don't need to swap at all if you have > the available RAM. So it's not slow at all. Now, yes, if you have protected mode. Back then, you didn't. > And just saying it's always "slow" is wrong too. You can buy faster > HDs now than ever. Not to mention obvious workarounds like UDMA, > software cache, RAM disk. Once again, I am referring to the Old Stone Age, when you *didn't* have that stuff, and if you had a hard drive, it might just cost as much as the rest of the PC combined. (At the bank I worked for in the 80's, one of the officers in my department got a PC with a *5MB* hard drive. As I recall, it cost about $5K, and half of the cost was the HD.) >> DOS wasn't made for large RAM. The 8088 CPU machines on which it ran >> had an address space of 1MB, and 640K of that was usable by DOS. If >> you had more RAM than that installed, you needed it seen as EMS or >> XMS, and accessed by convoluted programming. > > No, many compilers make it totally transparent to the end user. So you > don't even have to write any non-portable code (usually). And this > goes even beyond obvious "32-bit DPMI" DJGPP-based ones (GCC, GPC, > FPC, FBC). They do now. They did not then. >>> Still, I prefer to switch to Linux, FreeBSD or NetBSD to edit anything >>> serious, using vi. >>> >>> Apparently DOS, including FreeDOS, works better on an older computer than >>> on a modern computer. >> >> Yes. It was designed for older machines. It simply can't use most of >> what newer ones offer. > > No. "Some" things can still be supported (e.g. SIMD). But out of > those, only a few get done because of lack of developers and testers. > The other things are either mutually exclusive (one or other, not > both, can be supported) or totally incompatible with a > single-core-only OS (e.g. EIST). The really heavyweight stuff would > need an entire team of professionals, though, and we just don't have > the means to attract them. Since you *have* Linux, BSD, and even Windows, which support all that out of the box, why should anyone *bother*? __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:34 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >> >> No, many compilers make it totally transparent to the end user. So you >> don't even have to write any non-portable code (usually). And this >> goes even beyond obvious "32-bit DPMI" DJGPP-based ones (GCC, GPC, >> FPC, FBC). > > They do now. They did not then. DJGPP started in 1989. It's not new. And it wasn't the only one. > Since you *have* Linux, BSD, and even Windows, which support all that > out of the box, why should anyone *bother*? The whole point of a "free" "DOS" was to be a free/libre alternative that is binary compatible on similar hardware! None of those OSes do that! There are *many* OSes out there, often touting "legacy free". But even they have to start somewhere. Most people don't create their own cpu or write their own compiler. Heck, they port third-party apps over and use similar toolsets and formats that are already available. I mean, some of them even import drivers verbatim! Reuse is the name of the game. It just takes too much work to throw everything away. Sure, some people think it's "better" to throw things away. Some things are of questionable benefit. But it's certainly not always true. Sometimes you have to live with what you already have. Sometimes the cost of recreating something from scratch is too much. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:34 PM, dmccunney wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >>> >>> No, many compilers make it totally transparent to the end user. So you >>> don't even have to write any non-portable code (usually). And this >>> goes even beyond obvious "32-bit DPMI" DJGPP-based ones (GCC, GPC, >>> FPC, FBC). >> >> They do now. They did not then. > > DJGPP started in 1989. It's not new. And it wasn't the only one. The period I was referring to was at least 5 years before DJGPP began. I was talking about the *old* days when PC meant IBM PC with 4.77mhz 8088 CPU, CGA graphics, dual 360K floppies, and *maybe* 640K RAM. (Lotus 1,2,3 largely forced everyone to go for a full 640K to run enormous worksheets.) >> Since you *have* Linux, BSD, and even Windows, which support all that >> out of the box, why should anyone *bother*? > > The whole point of a "free" "DOS" was to be a free/libre alternative > that is binary compatible on similar hardware! None of those OSes do > that! And you don't *care*, because you don't *use* that original hardware. You long ago got something newer. > There are *many* OSes out there, often touting "legacy free". But even > they have to start somewhere. Most people don't create their own cpu > or write their own compiler. Heck, they port third-party apps over and > use similar toolsets and formats that are already available. I mean, > some of them even import drivers verbatim! Reuse is the name of the > game. It just takes too much work to throw everything away. If you are smart, you do go for re-use. > Sure, some people think it's "better" to throw things away. Some > things are of questionable benefit. But it's certainly not always > true. Sometimes you have to live with what you already have. Sometimes > the cost of recreating something from scratch is too much. Lets get serious. I run FreeDOS on an ancient box that I use as a testbed to see what perfomance I can wring out of limited hardware. I do *not* use the box, or FreeDOS, to do actual work. The box is a toy, and diddling FreeDOS is a *hobby*. On the more modern machines, I have a few ancient DOS apps I support via NTVDM (on 32 bit XP), or vDOS (on 64 bit Win7). There is no need for FreeDOS there at all. There is still potential use for DOS in the embedded space, but I expect that is dropping as HW becomes more powerful and cheaper. Embedded systms are increasingly built around 32 bit ARM CPUs, where DOS is not an option but you can run a flavor of Linux or an RTOS. There are a few folks still using DOS to do actual work, and some hang out here, but they are rare exceptions to the general rule. I happy FreeDOS is out there, and it's fun to play with, but "play with" is the operative word. If it did not exist, I would not miss it. My actual needs are met by more current gear, and there are limits to the effort I'll expend to support older hardware. I place a reasonable value on my *time*. What do you run as your "production" OS? I'm willing to bet it's not a flavor of DOS. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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>What do you run as your "production" OS? I'm willing to bet it's not a flavor of DOS. Linux (Kubuntu [Ubuntu/Debian derivatives) is my primary OS, but FreeDOS is my secondary OS followed by Windows 7 on one machine only because I recently acquired an HP Elite 8000 for under $100 with W7 preinstalled. I added a second drive for FreeDOS and Kubuntu. As for valuing time, I have been disabled since 1990, (should have been dead about 15 years ago), so the time spent is valuable in the sense that I keep my mind occupied if not sharpened. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:06 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:34 PM, dmccunney > wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > >>> > >>> No, many compilers make it totally transparent to the end user. So you > >>> don't even have to write any non-portable code (usually). And this > >>> goes even beyond obvious "32-bit DPMI" DJGPP-based ones (GCC, GPC, > >>> FPC, FBC). > >> > >> They do now. They did not then. > > > > DJGPP started in 1989. It's not new. And it wasn't the only one. > > The period I was referring to was at least 5 years before DJGPP began. > I was talking about the *old* days when PC meant IBM PC with 4.77mhz > 8088 CPU, CGA graphics, dual 360K floppies, and *maybe* 640K RAM. > (Lotus 1,2,3 largely forced everyone to go for a full 640K to run > enormous worksheets.) > > >> Since you *have* Linux, BSD, and even Windows, which support all that > >> out of the box, why should anyone *bother*? > > > > The whole point of a "free" "DOS" was to be a free/libre alternative > > that is binary compatible on similar hardware! None of those OSes do > > that! > > And you don't *care*, because you don't *use* that original hardware. > You long ago got something newer. > > > There are *many* OSes out there, often touting "legacy free". But even > > they have to start somewhere. Most people don't create their own cpu > > or write their own compiler. Heck, they port third-party apps over and > > use similar toolsets and formats that are already available. I mean, > > some of them even import drivers verbatim! Reuse is the name of the > > game. It just takes too much work to throw everything away. > > If you are smart, you do go for re-use. > > > Sure, some people think it's "better" to throw things away. Some > > things are of questionable benefit. But it's certainly not always > > true. Sometimes you have to live with what you already have. Sometimes > > the cost of recreating something from scratch is too much. > > Lets get serious. I run FreeDOS on an ancient box that I use as a > testbed to see what perfomance I can wring out of limited hardware. I > do *not* use the box, or FreeDOS, to do actual work. The box is a > toy, and diddling FreeDOS is a *hobby*. > > On the more modern machines, I have a few ancient DOS apps I support > via NTVDM (on 32 bit XP), or vDOS (on 64 bit Win7). There is no need > for FreeDOS there at all. > > There is still potential use for DOS in the embedded space, but I > expect that is dropping as HW becomes more powerful and cheaper. > Embedded systms are increasingly built around 32 bit ARM CPUs, where > DOS is not an option but you can run a flavor of Linux or an RTOS. > > There are a few folks still using DOS to do actual work, and some hang > out here, but they are rare exceptions to the general rule. > > I happy FreeDOS is out there, and it's fun to play with, but "play > with" is the operative word. If it did not exist, I would not miss > it. My actual needs are met by more current gear, and there are > limits to the effort I'll expend to support older hardware. I place a > reasonable value on my *time*. > > What do you run as your "production" OS? I'm willing to bet it's not > a flavor of DOS. > __ > Dennis > https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 > > > -- > Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, > sponsored > by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for > all > things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs > to > news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the > conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Don Flowers wrote: >>What do you run as your "production" OS? I'm willing to bet it's not > a flavor of DOS. > > Linux (Kubuntu [Ubuntu/Debian derivatives) is my primary OS, but FreeDOS is > my secondary OS followed by Windows 7 on one machine only because I recently > acquired an HP Elite 8000 for under $100 with W7 preinstalled. I added a > second drive for FreeDOS and Kubuntu. I was actually addressing that to Rugxulo, but it's interesting to get your response.. The current desktop he is a refurb Dell box that came with Win7. I maxed the RAM (8GB, for that box), added an SSD as boot drive, and dual boot Win7 and Ubuntu. Total cost when the dust settled was $550, and it's more than adequate for what I do. > As for valuing time, I have been disabled since 1990, (should have been dead > about 15 years ago), so the time spent is valuable in the sense that I keep > my mind occupied if not sharpened. Certainly, but I look at it in terms of opportunity costs. What might I be doing with the time *instead* of trying to keep ancient hardware running? I have enough things that are of higher value to *me* that the time I spend on keeping ancient hardware running is limited, when I don't have anything meaningful to do with the hardware in the first place. What constitutes value is an individual and subjective decision. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:06 PM, dmccunney wrote: > > There is still potential use for DOS in the embedded space, but I > expect that is dropping as HW becomes more powerful and cheaper. > Embedded systems are increasingly built around 32 bit ARM CPUs, where > DOS is not an option but you can run a flavor of Linux or an RTOS. > > There are a few folks still using DOS to do actual work, and some hang > out here, but they are rare exceptions to the general rule. > > I happy FreeDOS is out there, and it's fun to play with, but "play > with" is the operative word. If it did not exist, I would not miss > it. My actual needs are met by more current gear, and there are > limits to the effort I'll expend to support older hardware. I place a > reasonable value on my *time*. > > What do you run as your "production" OS? I'm willing to bet it's not > a flavor of DOS. Dennis, don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. I think you're subscribed to the wrong mailing list. If you don't like DOS, then do without. It's not worth convincing you of anything. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)
Amari canes homini lupi > > The US did not call Bin Laden and say, "Hey > > Osama, talk a couple of impressionable muslims > > with a lack of respect for human life into > > hijacking and crashing multiple 7x7's into > > occupied office buildings." Nor did Britain > > consort with radicals so that the London > > bombings would happen. Spain didn't cut a > > deal with someone to bomb the train systems > > in Madrid. > > > > No civil entity makes war without a just cause. > > Terrorists who are driven by hatred aren't civil. > > You don't conquer a nation with a small peace > > keeping force. > > > > Want to hate Americans for the chaos in Iraq? > > Well, what do you think an American looks like? > > Mostly we are Heinz 57. You might run into an > > Asian decent American, or a Russian decent > > American, or even a German American. Heck, > > there are even Arab Americans. > > > > Never mind that Al-Queada, which orchestrated > > 9/11, is behind some of the recent chaos in > > Iraq. Don't hate Americans, hate the terrorist > > masterminds who want Iraq to remain violent. > > The number one war injury for coalition > > soldiers is brain damage from road side bombs. > > Only cowards detonate bombs remotely to harm > > peace keepers. > > > > The chaos in Iraq is so severe, it is no wonder > > how difficult it is to get Iraq to produce > > military and police forces capable of keeping > > the peace without outside reinforcement. At > > least Iraq has something now that is slowly > > growing to meet it's peace keeping needs. > > Long term, reconciliation is needed between > > the various warring factions in Iraq. It is > > awfully hard to reconcile with someone who > > has no compunction about killing you though. > > > > Every time Iraqi's think America is ready > > to pull out, the political process stalls. > > The situation in Iraq is not a civil war > > because there are too many sides in it and > > outside interference from Iran. > > > > > > You should be able to code anything honestly, > > > > at any time, regardless of whether it is > > > > similar to or even identical to proprietary code. > > > > > > Agreed, but unfortunately US - and maybe soon European > > > as well - patent laws are not made for computer age. It > > > is unrealistic to forbid people to add feature X to any > > > software for 20 years simply because Y has it patented... > > > > I disagree with this. Microsoft's monopoly makes > > our laws, which are an outgrowth of English > > property law, break. Of course current patent and > > copyright systems around the world create a problem > > if one company has a controlling interest in all > > the relevant technology in a single industry sector. > > Sherman anti trust law in America is supposed to > > prevent this, but it isn't being enforced with > > respect to Microsoft. Vista is the most strident > > violation of Sherman anti trust in the history of > > the law. This Novell Microsoft deal is a related > > matter with Microsoft trying to claim that it owns > > Linux. Without copyright law, the GNU GPL would > > not exist. Concerning patent law, I hear there > > are active efforts in America to tighten it up so > > that the patents that are granted are far less > > frivolous. It's time to excuse the double click > > patent. Capitalism in general blows up when you > > have monopolies, a manifestation of excessive > > greed. > > > > Michael C. Robinson > > > > > > ** > > Most of the world's oil doesn't come from > > Iraq. A third of America's oil comes from > > South America and another significant percentage > > comes from Africa before any oil is shipped here > > from the Middle East. America is trying to reduce > > it's reliance on foreign oil in favor of domestic > > renewable sources, such as corn based ethanol. > > How much corn do you divert to fuel and how do you > > produce enough corn without adversely affecting > > the environment though? Current technology isn't > > offering any easy answers. > > > > Increasing the amount of nuclear plants would help > > America meet it's energy needs cleanly, but you > > can't build a nuclear facility in America let > > alone an oil refinery (a greater contributor to > > our higher fuel prices recently than supply shortages). > > There is advanced technology to build safe fission > > plants, but the American public, at least the 60's > > and 70's generations, are too afraid. Electricity > > adoption in general was slow in this country > > thanks to fear. > > > > Australia could stop burning coal in favor of > > nuclear plants, but it won't despite having some > > of the world's largest and highest quality > > reserves. > > ** > > > > > > - > > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take > > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. > > http://sourceforge.net/pow
Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)
Hi Chris, I believe there is a tool from Arkady for this in the cutemouse package. Eric - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Yes it is possible but it will require re-building of the ISO or inserting it into the ISO using something like MagicISO On 11/2/07, Badger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to add a Dos program to the live CD so > that I can run it from the cd ? I wish to use a Ham Radio Program called > Baycom with the old hardware which went with it. It will work with FreeDos as > I have used it when installed to Hard drive on a old PC I had in the past. > Any info on how to do this if it is possible would be much appreciated. > > Please note I am no expert ! > > Brad, England UK > -- > MESSAGE SENT USING KMAIL AND LINUX MANDRIVA FREE 2007, NO MICROSOFT PRODUCTS > HERE. > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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You could even put them on the same partition, since freedos can handle FAT32 natively. IIRC, Win98 will set itself up as dual boot if there is already an OS on the partition when it's installed. > -Original Message- > From: Kurt Godel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:14 PM > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Freedos-user] (no subject) > > So how would I set up a dual boot system with both FreeDos > and W98; I presume they would be in separate partitions? Or > what about FreeDos on a 'logical' drive > in W98?kurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi. At the bottom of every email is a link back to the mail lists page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user If you go to this page, you should be able to unsubscribe yourself from the mailing list. (I've just asked the system to send an "unsubscribe" confirmation email to you.) -jh On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Milewski, Joseph wrote: > Good Morning and Happy New Year, > > Can you please take me off the mailing list at this time. I have enjoyed it > thank you for the service. >[..] > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi Braden, > The process of installing FreeDOS on my EEEpc. ... > Xp Professional Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600, > HP Drive Key Boot Utility found by ways of ... > http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?swI > tem=MTX-UNITY-I23839&lang > www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/balder/ Another nice diskette distro is this: http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/ - the files are newer and you can download 1, 2 or 3 normal 1.44 MB sized floppy images or file collections or, nice in boot CD / DVD / USB context, a single 2.88 MB version with simpler boot menu. > The Balder Image contains copies of FDISK, Command, and kernel.sys. FDisk > can mark the SSD bootable and partition to hold a FAT file system. Once > partitioned, the Command and kernel.sys can be copied to the SSD but this > does not make the system bootable. A boot manager, such a Grub4DOS was used. > A tutorial for installation found at > http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Grub4dos_tutorial Interesting - you can also install DOS on USB stick or SD and use it from there if you do not want to replace your Linux/Win. > working using the Panasonic USBASPI.sys drivers. With a portable hard disk > and USB IDE enclosure, this makes NTFS4DOS / Symantec GHOST sing the aria of > life; yes, hard disk cloning / data backup is possible on the road. Hehe :-) > Now, the system will not POST and only gets as far as detecting my USB > devices. I hope you can get it repaired somewhere. > PS. Eric, I will gladly test your new LBACache. Send the program and > some docs and I'll check it out. Source, too perhaps? Would the default zip with sources, docs and executable work? Or do I have to use 7zip or similar to get through your email spam filter? Some filters dislike zips with executables. Thanks for testing :-). Eric -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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>Would the default zip with sources, docs and executable work? Or do >I have to use 7zip or similar to get through your email spam filter? >Some filters dislike zips with executables. Thanks for testing :-). I'm using ClamWin, let's find out. > I hope you can get it repaired somewhere. Anyone have some helpful tips or hints? -Original Message- From: Eric Auer [mailto:e.a...@jpberlin.de] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:20 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: b...@vom.com Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) Hi Braden, > The process of installing FreeDOS on my EEEpc. ... > Xp Professional Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600, > HP Drive Key Boot Utility found by ways of ... > http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?swI > tem=MTX-UNITY-I23839&lang > www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/ba lder/ Another nice diskette distro is this: http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/ - the files are newer and you can download 1, 2 or 3 normal 1.44 MB sized floppy images or file collections or, nice in boot CD / DVD / USB context, a single 2.88 MB version with simpler boot menu. > The Balder Image contains copies of FDISK, Command, and kernel.sys. FDisk > can mark the SSD bootable and partition to hold a FAT file system. Once > partitioned, the Command and kernel.sys can be copied to the SSD but this > does not make the system bootable. A boot manager, such a Grub4DOS was used. > A tutorial for installation found at > http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Grub4dos_tutorial Interesting - you can also install DOS on USB stick or SD and use it from there if you do not want to replace your Linux/Win. > working using the Panasonic USBASPI.sys drivers. With a portable hard disk > and USB IDE enclosure, this makes NTFS4DOS / Symantec GHOST sing the aria of > life; yes, hard disk cloning / data backup is possible on the road. Hehe :-) > Now, the system will not POST and only gets as far as detecting my USB > devices. I hope you can get it repaired somewhere. > PS. Eric, I will gladly test your new LBACache. Send the program and > some docs and I'll check it out. Source, too perhaps? Would the default zip with sources, docs and executable work? Or do I have to use 7zip or similar to get through your email spam filter? Some filters dislike zips with executables. Thanks for testing :-). Eric -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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>> PS. Eric, I will gladly test your new LBACache. Send the program and >> some docs and I'll check it out. Source, too perhaps? > > Would the default zip with sources, docs and executable work? Or do > I have to use 7zip or similar to get through your email spam filter? > Some filters dislike zips with executables. Thanks for testing :-). > > Eric > Is the new version not available on the web anywhere, like on Eric's website? Making programs available to *all* for testing, instead of a select few, with give better results as you will have far more people poking at the program and running it on their (different) hardware. -jh -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Fox Muldar wrote: > Mailing list please? > > -- > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > Hi. I'm not sure what you're asking for, here. Do you want to remove yourself from the mailing list? If so, there's a link at the bottom of every email, which allows you to unsubscribe yourself (scroll to the bottom of the page.) -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
