Re: Wallstreet sound card replacement
On Oct 27, 2003, at 11:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 20:25 -0800 on 10/27/03, you (Doug Hinschberger), wrote: Called the local Apple repair store, and they suspect the sound card. I found some fairly good instructions on the internet for taking the thing apart, but it appears I'll really need to get into the guts to get to the sound card. How tough is it really? What special tools (screwdrivers) might I need? Is it possible to re-solder cracked connections, or where is a good place to find an inexpensive sound card? My son's new WS has the same problem, apparently. I too am interested in any answers (in case someone might write off-list?0 It's not that tough, although you will need to completely disassemble the PowerBook. This entails removing the display (not too hard), separating the upper and lower cases, and a few other parts (hard drive, I think). I've done this procedure in less than 40 minutes and I was being VERY careful. YMMV. If you've worked on hardware before you shouldn't have any trouble. Do you have the take-apart instructions? Phil Burk ___ Systems Support Technician Wiley Publishing, Inc. Indianapolis, IN 46256 317-572-3049 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Quick summary: If you sign an affidavit that you bought OS X for that machine, did not use it regularly on that machine due to support issues, and promise to never run OS X on your machine again, you can send back your CDs and get the purchase price of your OS X purchase back. Otherwise, you are entitled to a $25 credit at the Apple store as long as you sign a sheet of paper stating that you could not do certain things under OS X on your machine. Steve Does anybody know anything about this class action lawsuit against Apple? I'm not too good at legalese, so I'm hoping someone familiar with the case can break it down for me. Apparently anyone owning a G3 PowerBook (Kanga through Lombard, I think) is eligible to participate. Which is why I'm surprised I haven't seen it mentioned on this board yet. Did I miss something? http://appleosx.rosenthalco.com/notice.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- Steve Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Quick summary: If you sign an affidavit that you bought OS X for that machine, did not use it regularly on that machine due to support issues, and promise to never run OS X on your machine again, you can send back your CDs and get the purchase price of your OS X purchase back. Otherwise, you are entitled to a $25 credit at the Apple store as long as you sign a sheet of paper stating that you could not do certain things under OS X on your machine. Steve Hi I think that if you read it through you will need to prove that you purchased a NEW powerbook G3 series (Kanga will not be in there) and also a copy of X between the dates they give and also prove the part that you can not use. Then you may be entitled to the refund. Vicki -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
I received the full settlement report from the lawyers. As a mac supporter, I threw the hole thing in the trash. Class action suits benefit the law offices that file more than the actually participants since they get there cut from the over-all settlement amount, or their high fees are paid on top of the settlement. These law offices regularly seek ways to design a class action and then lobby for participants. There are some legitimate suits filed, but most of the ones I come across are questionable if there was actually any wrong doing by the corporation they are seeking damages from. In many cases, it is easier and cheaper for the company to settle instead of fight the suit. I did not use OSX regularly on my Wallstreet, but purchased it with the desire to trial it and learn it at my own pace, using OS9 for actual work. I will not add to Apple's cost for this one, since, in the end, we all pay for it in higher costs to the company. Wayne Schneck Marketing Manager FME -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
I have to agree. In the end, class action suits only hurt both the company and the end user. Received information on another one against Apple many years ago. Forget what it was, but the originator got around $1000 or so, lawyers got millions, and I (along with several thousand others) was offered a whole $1.50. The only winners in these suits are the lawyers, always. Hamlin I received the full settlement report from the lawyers. As a mac supporter, I threw the hole thing in the trash. Class action suits benefit the law offices that file more than the actually participants since they get there cut from the over-all settlement amount, or their high fees are paid on top of the settlement. These law offices regularly seek ways to design a class action and then lobby for participants. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
The first class-action suit I recall against Apple was the over the Performa series, which was advertised as PowerPC-upgradeable. Of course, the upgrade was to replace the logic board for about $1K. The class-action suit brought it down to the $600-$700 range. And who can forget the Blockbuster class-action suit? Coupons for $1 off a rental? The lawyers made millions in legal fees. Gary Hamlin Krewson wrote: I have to agree. In the end, class action suits only hurt both the company and the end user. Received information on another one against Apple many years ago. Forget what it was, but the originator got around $1000 or so, lawyers got millions, and I (along with several thousand others) was offered a whole $1.50. The only winners in these suits are the lawyers, always. Hamlin I received the full settlement report from the lawyers. As a mac supporter, I threw the hole thing in the trash. Class action suits benefit the law offices that file more than the actually participants since they get there cut from the over-all settlement amount, or their high fees are paid on top of the settlement. These law offices regularly seek ways to design a class action and then lobby for participants. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
In a message dated 10/28/03 4:30:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will not add to Apple's cost for this one, since, in the end, we all pay for it in higher costs to the company. Wow... APPLE could not have said it better themselves. Craig W. (One of those lawyers you hatin' on!) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Bingo, Ditto, 100% agreed.. IMHO, if you decide to jump on the lawsuit, please do the rest of us a favor and throw your Mac in the trash. This sort of rubbish should be deleted from existence, not recommended for the public. Tom In a message dated 10/28/03 4:30:37 PM, you wrote: I received the full settlement report from the lawyers. As a mac supporter, I threw the hole thing in the trash. Class action suits benefit the law offices that file more than the actually participants since they get there cut from the over-all settlement amount, or their high fees are paid on top of the settlement. These law offices regularly seek ways to design a class action and then lobby for participants. Wayne Schneck Marketing Manager FME -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Look, I really appreciate all the corporate ass kissing and lawyer bashing, but I just wanted to know what exactly is claimed in the lawsuit? That Apple didn't offer support for G3 users? Falsely advertised compatibility for computers that weren't and then didn't offer refunds to customers who complained? It sounds as though a significant number of people are asking for a refund on a product that didn't work with their machines. As much as I like Apple, I don't think they're infallible, and, as much as I distrust lawyers, they are around for a reason and on occasion have been known to do some good. On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 04:43 PM, Hamlin Krewson wrote: I have to agree. In the end, class action suits only hurt both the company and the end user. Received information on another one against Apple many years ago. Forget what it was, but the originator got around $1000 or so, lawyers got millions, and I (along with several thousand others) was offered a whole $1.50. The only winners in these suits are the lawyers, always. Hamlin I received the full settlement report from the lawyers. As a mac supporter, I threw the hole thing in the trash. Class action suits benefit the law offices that file more than the actually participants since they get there cut from the over-all settlement amount, or their high fees are paid on top of the settlement. These law offices regularly seek ways to design a class action and then lobby for participants. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
I totally dissagree with this. THe issue was that SOME powerbooks didn't do EVERYTHING that OSX was supposed to provide. YES, one or two folks may legitimately have been put out by this issue. Do you REALLY think that it's worth $20-50 MILLION dollars in legal fees to have this go into a lawsuit?? I seriously doubt it. I have generally found that most large corp's (despite what your left-wing idiots in CA think) ARE interested in the little guy.. Guess what--it's generally the little guy who makes the profit for them, in the long run. It should come as no suprise to anyone that this suit was done in LA, California. Anybody wonder why California's budget is upside down, and every small business that can, has moved out of the state?? One proud-to-be-A**-kissing Mac user. Tom In a message dated 10/28/03 5:01:58 PM, you wrote: Look, I really appreciate all the corporate ass kissing and lawyer bashing, but I just wanted to know what exactly is claimed in the lawsuit? That Apple didn't offer support for G3 users? Falsely advertised compatibility for computers that weren't and then didn't offer refunds to customers who complained? It sounds as though a significant number of people are asking for a refund on a product that didn't work with their machines. As much as I like Apple, I don't think they're infallible, and, as much as I distrust lawyers, they are around for a reason and on occasion have been known to do some good. On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 04:43 PM, Hamlin Krewson wrote: I have to agree. In the end, class action suits only hurt both the company and the end user. Received information on another one against Apple many years ago. Forget what it was, but the originator got around $1000 or so, lawyers got millions, and I (along with several thousand others) was offered a whole $1.50. The only winners in these suits are the lawyers, always. Hamlin I received the full settlement report from the lawyers. As a mac supporter, I threw the hole thing in the trash. Class action suits benefit the law offices that file more than the actually participants since they get there cut from the over-all settlement amount, or their high fees are paid on top of the settlement. These law offices regularly seek ways to design a class action and then lobby for participants. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- --- Headers Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v97.8) with ESMTP id MAILINZD11-3b53f9ee748db; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:01:55 -0500 Received: from mail.maclaunch.com (mail.maclaunch.com [157.238.133.140]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v97.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZD49-3b53f9ee748db; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:01:44 -0400 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1 List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-ID: G-Books.mail.maclaunch.com List-Archive: http://mail.maclaunch.com:8100/Lists/G-Books/List.html Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:01:39 -0500 Subject: Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Jacob Saariaho
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
The lawsuit started off with the Beige G3 support and grew from there (IIRC). The basic premise is that when apple stated that the computers in question met the minimum requirements for OS X, and that they (Apple) would support the OS on those computers that they were somehow making a claim that the OS would fully support all hardware features. Problem is, Apple only ever claimed that OS X would run on the computers in question and not that it would work with all hardware features (ie. the AV cards in Beige G3 systems). I think they also run into problems where not everyone who purchased OS X were able to get it to install on the computers. A good number of these can be attributed to additions/modifications that the installer is not expecting (or designed to work with). I don't know how this affects the laptops (as I mentioned, it installed fine on my Lombard), but on the Beige G3 it meant that if you'd installed any internal SCSI device then the OS probably wouldn't install. Hamlin -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:19 EST To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement I totally dissagree with this. THe issue was that SOME powerbooks didn't do EVERYTHING that OSX was supposed to provide. YES, one or two folks may legitimately have been put out by this issue. Do you REALLY think that it's worth $20-50 MILLION dollars in legal fees to have this go into a lawsuit?? I seriously doubt it. I have generally found that most large corp's (despite what your left-wing idiots in CA think) ARE interested in the little guy.. Guess what--it's generally the little guy who makes the profit for them, in the long run. It should come as no suprise to anyone that this suit was done in LA, California. Anybody wonder why California's budget is upside down, and every small business that can, has moved out of the state?? I did follow the thread at the beginning before it turned into a class action. I think the original intent was to force Apple to complete the ATI RageLT driver so that those users would benefit from video hardware acceleration. I did drop the ball when I moved to a Pismo, so I don't really what happened, but it looks like Apple didn't want to do it, hence it resulted in a class-action... Just my $0.02... -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA * Usual disclaimers apply * -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
I have generally found that most large corp's (despite what your left-wing idiots in CA think) ARE interested in the little guy. I find this entire statement confusing, because (a.) I've never heard anyone claim that large corporations really do have the little guys' best interest at heart, and (b.) I thought any company that could come up with a flower power iMac HAD to be run by left-wing idiots in California. Maybe I was mistaken. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
I did follow the thread at the beginning before it turned into a class action. I think the original intent was to force Apple to complete the ATI RageLT driver so that those users would benefit from video hardware acceleration. I did drop the ball when I moved to a Pismo, so I don't really what happened, but it looks like Apple didn't want to do it, hence it resulted in a class-action... IIRC, Apple did provide 2D Rage support in 10.2. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Needed: simple utility that will scan a folder of jpgs and create a list of exif text for each jpg
I've searched the web and can not find a freebie for what I would like. So, if I have a folder with 34 jpgs in it, i would like to have each jpg grabbed, then the exif file sent to a separate printable file and then the next one and so on. I would think that someone would have written a script that would do that. Eh? d -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Wayne Schneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I received the full settlement report from the lawyers. As a mac supporter, I threw the hole thing in the trash. Class action suits benefit the law offices that file more than the actually participants since they get there cut from the over-all settlement amount, or their high fees are paid on top of the settlement. These law offices regularly seek ways to design a class action and then lobby for participants. There are some legitimate suits filed, but most of the ones I come across are questionable if there was actually any wrong doing by the corporation they are seeking damages from. In many cases, it is easier and cheaper for the company to settle instead of fight the suit. I did not use OSX regularly on my Wallstreet, but purchased it with the desire to trial it and learn it at my own pace, using OS9 for actual work. I will not add to Apple's cost for this one, since, in the end, we all pay for it in higher costs to the company. I believe all class action lawsuits have a procedure for affected parties to comment on the lawsuit (and the proposed attorney's fees). If you are asked to join a class action lawsuit (and if you're eligible to join), and if you believe the suit is frivolous or without merit (or the attorney's fees are too high) then you can submit a statement to that affect to the court. This is more effective than simply throwing it into the trash, because in most class action suits your silence will simply be interpreted as a failure to contact the (supposedly) injured party. Of course, it requires more effort as well; but if more people took this route then I think more class action suits would be fought and, ultimately, dismissed. -Jeff[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You can't brew a premium lager with a kool-aid mentality. --Harold Green in _The_Red_Green_Show_ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Right, I was an iBook SE 2000 owner and was a bit miffed about no hardware acceleration for my video card when X came out. My iBook was really almost unusable in X with the slow video redraws. I too bought a Pismo that I upgraded with the G3 900 upgrade and a gig of RAM so I am not complaining now, but the iBook was never really meant to be upgraded. Putting a 60GB hard drive in the Pismo took 10 minutes...I have seen pictures of swapping a drive in an iBook and it was not pretty...you've got to take a few hundred pieces apart. RAM maxes out low due to a soldered main chip so the issue really is that Apple purposely builds in obsolescence into some of their computers...the lower end, and develop their OS to work best with the newest hardware, so we'll buy new machines. They're bread and butter is hardware so if we could all still use our 98-2000 machines with Panther (aside from my Pismo which does run Panther quite nicely, but cost a pretty penny to upgrade), they're going to continue to innovate for the new hardware. Right or wrong it makes good business sense. Should they be responsible for making claims that don't quite pan out? Maybe...the lawyers are looking to make the real money, while some consumers feel that they deserve something based on the principle that they've been misled. I had my yo-yo power adapter spark, melt the power cable and burn a bit recently and called Apple. They sent me a new one right out, yet there is even now a law firm looking for people to complain on just this issue so they can file a class action. Since Apple took care of me, fair is fair and nobody was hurt, but if this is as common as the lawyers want you to believe and there is a safety hazard, that is a different story altogether. But that's a whole different can of worms there isn't it. I did follow the thread at the beginning before it turned into a class action. I think the original intent was to force Apple to complete the ATI RageLT driver so that those users would benefit from video hardware acceleration. I did drop the ball when I moved to a Pismo, so I don't really what happened, but it looks like Apple didn't want to do it, hence it resulted in a class-action... Just my $0.02... -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
It was in 10.1.5 that they did it. David On Oct 28, 2003, at 4:42 PM, Hamlin Krewson wrote: I did follow the thread at the beginning before it turned into a class action. I think the original intent was to force Apple to complete the ATI RageLT driver so that those users would benefit from video hardware acceleration. I did drop the ball when I moved to a Pismo, so I don't really what happened, but it looks like Apple didn't want to do it, hence it resulted in a class-action... IIRC, Apple did provide 2D Rage support in 10.2. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard CPU and RAM oddity
Eric Morrison wrote: I just put Panther on it to try it out (by the way, it runs GREAT with Panther) and the strange thing is that it reports that the machine I can't really offer anything in the way of help to you, but can I ask if you did a clean install (either reformat or archive install) or an upgrade? I'm going to be putting Panther on my Lombard 333MHz machine this weekend, and it's currently suffering as a victim of 10.2.8. I'd like to just upgrade and keep everything how it is, but I'll clean install if necesssary. Either way, I'll pay close attention to what CPU speed is claimed afterwards. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Nope, sorry... don't buy that. There is an ATIRagePro.kext and ATIRageProGA.plugin (2D acceleration) and the GA plug wasn't even activated for the Lombard until 10.2.4, you needed a hack before that. The RagePro.kext refers to a non-existant ATIRageProGL.bundle for OpenGL acceleration. There is no 3D acceleration for the Rage Pro chips. The 128 Pro is NOT the same as the Rage Pro, but newer and appeared in the Pismos. On Oct 28, 2003, at 3:59 PM, David M. Ensteness wrote: Excuse me I just sent an email clarifying and I mistyped. Apple did provide Rage II and RagePro support it was in version 10.1.5 and it included hardware 3D acceleration. David On Oct 28, 2003, at 5:31 PM, Krevnik wrote: IIRC, Apple did provide 2D Rage support in 10.2. Yeah, but the power of the Rage chip was in 3D, not 2D... and we have yet to see 3D support from Apple, even on a basic level. I could care less about DVD support since there are options, but I want basic OpenGL support! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
It's a moot point in any case, since Apple never promised graphics acceleration (of any sort) on these older supported systems (nor was it ever planned). It got added as a compromise (on Apple's behalf) as a way of showing that they were willing to listen to user requests. Read the original release for 10.0, it says only that the OS will run on any computer that was sold with a G3 or G4. Hamlin Nope, sorry... don't buy that. There is an ATIRagePro.kext and ATIRageProGA.plugin (2D acceleration) and the GA plug wasn't even activated for the Lombard until 10.2.4, you needed a hack before that. The RagePro.kext refers to a non-existant ATIRageProGL.bundle for OpenGL acceleration. There is no 3D acceleration for the Rage Pro chips. The 128 Pro is NOT the same as the Rage Pro, but newer and appeared in the Pismos. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo Wake from Sleep Problems
On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 03:58 PM, Eric Morrison wrote: Hi: We have two (of our six) Pismos (9.2.2) recently exhibiting a problem waking from sleep. Basically, whenever they go to sleep they won't wake up. The green sleep light goes on when they go into sleep, and when you press a keyboard button the green light stops flashing but the screen doesn't light. Pressing the Power key and return does not shut it down so I don't think this is a monitor problem, I think the machine itself is not waking. I'm about to back one of these up and do a clean install of OS 9.2.2 but thought I'd post this question to the list first to see if anyone has any suggestions before I do this. If you've got any suggestions I'd sure appreciate them! thanks... Eric I have a very funky wallstreet that displays this type of behavior. I have found that levering the battery out, then in, does something that allows escape from nap time. Good luck. I suspect the PMU. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Lombard battery
After the Time Remaining in the Control Strip goes down to 0:00, I still get another 20 to 30 minutes of battery life. I'm running OS 9 on a 333mhz Lombard. It's not really a problem but kind of annoying. I haven't noticed any of that before, although it was probably just because I haven't been paying much attention to it. Does anybody else have that problem? I'm going to upgrade to OS X sometime during the next month (when I have time) so I'm hoping that will solve the problem. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard CPU and RAM oddity
on 28/10/03 18:53, Eric Morrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: Two questions actually. First, I have a 333MHz Lombard (I know it's a 333 because that's what's printed on the label on the bottom) which we purchased new several years ago. I just put Panther on it to try it out (by the way, it runs GREAT with Panther) and the strange thing is that it reports that the machine has a 400MHz CPU! I downloaded Overclocker's Helper and ran that and it reported a 400MHz CPU as well. As we bought this machine new I can confirm that I never swapped out the CPU board. Anyone know what's going on and if this is really a 400MHz machine? Second, I have a 256MB RAM chip originally purchased for the original Powerbook G4/400MHz which has been in and running on that machine since we got it. We just upped this Powerbook G4 to 1GB so I took the 256MB chip from out of the G4 and put it in this same Lombard but it only registers as 128MB of RAM! Then took this chip out of the Lombard and put it in my Pismo to test it and it shows up as the full 256MB? Anyone know what the deal is with this? Thanks for any guidance/explanation you can provide! ... Eric I don't know about the answer to your first question. What I would suggest is to download XBench and run a full test of your Lombard. Then, compare your score to the other online scores available from the XBench site. That should give you an idea. As for your memory problem, it is probably because the chip is high density, which the latest PowerBook models can use, but probably not your Lombard which sees only half of it. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] elder days n.: The heroic age of hackerdom (roughly, pre-1980); the era of the PDP-10, TECO, ITS, and the ARPANET. This term has been rather consciously adopted from J. R. R. Tolkien's fantasy epic The Lord of the Rings. Compare Iron Age; see also elvish and Great Worm. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On Oct 28, 2003, at 5:01 PM, Hamlin Krewson wrote: It's a moot point in any case, since Apple never promised graphics acceleration (of any sort) on these older supported systems (nor was it ever planned). It got added as a compromise (on Apple's behalf) as a way of showing that they were willing to listen to user requests. Read the original release for 10.0, it says only that the OS will run on any computer that was sold with a G3 or G4. Hamlin At the same time, they never said that features that were available before would suddenly NEVER be supported again. Graphics chipset support has come to be a very core part of basic OS functionality, and Apple realized this when they decided to do the drivers themselves. Thus the responsibility for core OS functionality lies on them, not us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On 10/28/03 11:03 PM, Krevnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: At the same time, they never said that features that were available before would suddenly NEVER be supported again. Graphics chipset support has come to be a very core part of basic OS functionality, and Apple realized this when they decided to do the drivers themselves. Thus the responsibility for core OS functionality lies on them, not us. This argument (and lawsuit) makes as much sense as people suing Apple because OS 9.2 will not run on their Quadra 700. Apple may have worded it wrong (as far as supported machines goes) when the first OS X release was in the works, but Geez. Move on. You have 2 choices: 1. Shut your mouths and keep using OS 8 or 9 and don't bother with OS X. 2. Try to make OS X run on hardware that is barely capable of it but do so at your own risk and have fun with your experimentation. Oh yeah...for those of you/us still running OS 9.It's been considered a dead OS for a couple of years now. Get with the times or QYB. Apple should not waste any more time or money un-developing their software so that it will run on machines that are years old. 18 months is a LIFETIME in the world of computing. If you can't handle that fact then you need a reality check. You shouldn't be biting the hand that feeds you (aka suing apple). All that I sgoing to do is hurt us all in the long run. And btw, I have an SE-30 happily running OS 7.1 32-bit clean. It was never meant to run 32-bit clean and I did it all on my own, but I didn't sue my favorite computer company because of the fact that it wouldn't run 32-bit clean. I fiddled with it and made it work. I use it as is, and am prepared to do so for some time. It does what I want it to do and that is good enough for me. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:18:57PM -0600, Hamlin Krewson wrote: : : On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Jacob Saariaho wrote: : : Does anybody know anything about this class action lawsuit against : Apple? I'm not too good at legalese, so I'm hoping someone familiar : with the case can break it down for me. Apparently anyone owning a G3 : PowerBook (Kanga through Lombard, I think) is eligible to participate. : Which is why I'm surprised I haven't seen it mentioned on this board : yet. Did I miss something? : : Actually, it covers the Wallstreet, PDQ and Lombard. Doesn't cover the : Kanga. I'm rather surprised it covers the Lombard. I love OS X on my : Lombard, works great. Only thing I've noticed it not work with is the : s-video port. I imagine it works with the vga port, but I'm not sure. It covers Lombard because OS X didn't fully support the hardware. So no support for the S-video port, no DVD playback regardless of whether it worked in OS 9 or not, no hardware graphics acceleration in the video drivers, and other things. Class action lawsuits sometimes suck, but sometimes it's the only way to reign in company responsibility and make them do what they say. -- Eugene Lee eugene at anime dot net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On Oct 28, 2003, at 6:20 PM, Krevnik wrote: Nope, sorry... don't buy that. There is an ATIRagePro.kext and ATIRageProGA.plugin (2D acceleration) and the GA plug wasn't even activated for the Lombard until 10.2.4, you needed a hack before that. The RagePro.kext refers to a non-existant ATIRageProGL.bundle for OpenGL acceleration. There is no 3D acceleration for the Rage Pro chips. The 128 Pro is NOT the same as the Rage Pro, but newer and appeared in the Pismos. Not to be too rude but I don't care if you buy it, its the case. ATi's Rage II, RagePro, and RageProLT were not accelerated prior to 10.1.5 but were after. There is documentation of it, go look it up yourself if you care about the truth of the matter, you can find it at Apple's Knowledge Base, at XLR8yourmac.com and many other sites that covered the issue. This debate boarders on stupid. A lot of people are arguing a lot of misinformation and opinion mixed with fact on the issue of this class action suit. The fact is people's expectation [those that brought on the suit and agree with it] was different from the reality of features and performance. I do not feel Apple is at fault in this matter but when one's expectation is different from reality it is very likely that blame gets assigned and people assigned it to Apple. While I happen to believe that this blame is based on an inaccurate expectation and is misplaced, I don't know that it matters much in the scheme of things. As with other issues, if people want to blame, they will justify it, sometimes only to themselves, sometimes to the masses, and sometimes to the legal system. Another fact that is neglected. Apple did not write the ATi drivers for the ATi chipsets. ATi did, this is true of Classic Mac OS and Mac OS X. At the time, before the 10.1.5 update was released, people complained it was Apple not choosing to support it to force them to go buy new Macs. This argument gets brought up a lot, its generally false although I am sure there are cases when it is true. Now, regarding video support. It is my understanding from a lot of reading I have done that the RagePro and RageII chipsets never did OpenGL under Mac OS 8 or 9, they did RAVE. At the time RAVE and GLIDE [from 3dfx] were competing and OpenGL was starting to enter the fray. Since none of us know the exact facts, think about this once and see if its not reasonable. Apple sells a Mac, it has a chipset from a third party in it. The third party includes driver support. Apple puts out new system software, the third party doesn't update their driver. Its the third party's fault right? So according to that we should blame ATi. However, what if the chipset can't do the stuff we want it to do, ie, what if it can not support OpenGL acceleration. Whose fault is it then? Apple for embracing OpenGL in OS X? ATi for not making a fully compliant OpenGL graphics chipset? Sadly, somethings are not anyone's fault, they just are, and they are often things we don't like. Is what I just proposed true? We don't know. However, its just as likely true as the complaints are so it deserves equal consideration. David -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 05:59:10PM -0600, David M. Ensteness wrote: : : Excuse me I just sent an email clarifying and I mistyped. : : Apple did provide Rage II and RagePro support it was in version 10.1.5 : and it included hardware 3D acceleration. This is false, at least when it applies to the PowerBooks in question. -- Eugene Lee eugene at anime dot net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Thank you for your common sense Kyle. It was nice to read that someone saw this in the same light I did. David This argument (and lawsuit) makes as much sense as people suing Apple because OS 9.2 will not run on their Quadra 700. Apple may have worded it wrong (as far as supported machines goes) when the first OS X release was in the works, but Geez. Move on. You have 2 choices: 1. Shut your mouths and keep using OS 8 or 9 and don't bother with OS X. 2. Try to make OS X run on hardware that is barely capable of it but do so at your own risk and have fun with your experimentation. Oh yeah...for those of you/us still running OS 9.It's been considered a dead OS for a couple of years now. Get with the times or QYB. Apple should not waste any more time or money un-developing their software so that it will run on machines that are years old. 18 months is a LIFETIME in the world of computing. If you can't handle that fact then you need a reality check. You shouldn't be biting the hand that feeds you (aka suing apple). All that I sgoing to do is hurt us all in the long run. And btw, I have an SE-30 happily running OS 7.1 32-bit clean. It was never meant to run 32-bit clean and I did it all on my own, but I didn't sue my favorite computer company because of the fact that it wouldn't run 32-bit clean. I fiddled with it and made it work. I use it as is, and am prepared to do so for some time. It does what I want it to do and that is good enough for me. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Apple never said it would support the stuff covered in the settlement so that part of your post is simply false. On top of that, claiming that I should get better performance out of my hardware [like the RagePro chipset] than it is capable of simply because I think it should be so - that is silly. When people complain that Mac OS X doesn't run Quake 3 well on their unupgraded Beige G3 or iMac 233 or Wallstreet I know just how they feel, my Beige G3 without a CD-RW doesn't burn CDs. And I think that is Apple's fault. Mac OS X supports CD burning, why doesn't it work on my Mac? Oh wait, I sound like a moron when I say that hmm, wanting video to do things it can't verses wanting a media drive to do things it can't Honestly, this is silly. David PS S-Video does work on Wallstreets [versions 1, 2], Lombards, and Pismos under Mac OS X. One guy posted and said it didn't work for him and asked for advice and you assumed that its one more thing Apple screwed us on. Get an accurate picture of what you are talking about. DVD is the same thing, Mac OS X supports software decoding only, I know, I know, under Mac OS X my Beige G3 should wash my car and do it all, maybe I should sue Apple. It covers Lombard because OS X didn't fully support the hardware. So no support for the S-video port, no DVD playback regardless of whether it worked in OS 9 or not, no hardware graphics acceleration in the video drivers, and other things. Class action lawsuits sometimes suck, but sometimes it's the only way to reign in company responsibility and make them do what they say. -- Eugene Lee eugene at anime dot net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G3/Mac OS X Settlement
Not entirely, go look it up. And no, I am not going to look it up for you, I trust you can use Google just as well as I can. David On Oct 28, 2003, at 11:30 PM, Eugene Lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 05:59:10PM -0600, David M. Ensteness wrote: : : Excuse me I just sent an email clarifying and I mistyped. : : Apple did provide Rage II and RagePro support it was in version 10.1.5 : and it included hardware 3D acceleration. This is false, at least when it applies to the PowerBooks in question. -- Eugene Lee eugene at anime dot net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Anyone use toast to burn DVDs?
I'm trying to burn a DVD of about 2 hours of video. When I set it up in Toast, it tells me that I need 5.6GB of space to burn it, and the blank DVD-R only has 4.4GB. Has anyone used the more expensive double sided (9.2GB) DVD blanks on a Mac? I'm using a Pioneer mechanism (DVR-105, LaCie external firewire drive). I have Toast 6, and imported the DV files into iMovie via a firewire bridge. Any help is appreciated. -Hal -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
