Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
How about twice the storage capacity and a 1.33 gig processor as opposed to a 1.2? On 12/31/04 8:30 PM, MTH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't gain any screen real-estate by getting a 14 iBook, it has the same 1024 x 768 resolution that the 12 iBooks have. unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. -- Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On Jan 1, 2005, at 5:35 AM, Tim Collier wrote: How about twice the storage capacity and a 1.33 gig processor as opposed to a 1.2? You can order a 12 with a larger hard drive and I don't think that I would notice any difference between 1.2GHz and 1.33Ghz. 700MHz iBook G3 640MB Ram OS 10.3.7 Laugha while you can monkeyboy. Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
screen sizes vs. reality
OK, I had a person give me a hard time about a 12 inch LCD screen size and I want to know, do people genuinely have serious complaints about 12 inch screens? I have two units with 12 inch screens, on with a 15 inch, one with a 9.5 inch (my PowerPC PB540c) and even an old black and white PB 170 with a 640 x 400 screen. I find that 12 inch is fine. My blueberry iBook is a wonderful, use-able unit and the only time I have a problem with screen size is when some dufis designs an application program with too many pallets and menu pannels that can't be resized or hidden. OK, here's the kicker, the complaint wasn't about a 12 inch LCD on a powerbook or iBook, it was my father's current wife complaining about the heavily upgraded, 500MHz G3 powered 20th Annaversary Macintosh. I have one just like it and it's one of the finest units ever designed, essentially a PowerBook in a desktop case with a fantastic sterio built in. Back to my original question, do people have genuine issues with 12 inch screen size? Victor -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On Jan 1, 2005, at 1:20 AM, Andrew F. wrote: But a 4lb laptop is lighter still. Those who claim it makes no difference, just haven't tried it yet. Thye argument isn't whether there's a difference, but whether it's worth it *to you* - how much you move it around, how much you do with the screen real estate. I have a 17, drag it to a couple meetings a month plus to every room of the house, and I'd never give up my screen real estate. I can work on a full page of a landscape legal layout, plus have all its palettes open in Ragtime (something I do every week for our church bulletin), wherever I am - on the couch, at my parents', at my sister's, wherever. An external monitor just doesn't offer that! Though I wouldn't mind that for the (very) rare occasion that I actually work at a desk. :-) Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Ram in a Wallstreet/300 MHz
I have 384 built-in-memory in my wallstreet; 128 MB bottom slot and 256 MB top slot. Can I put a 256 MB stick on the bottom slot without problems? TIA, PETE. __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: screen sizes vs. reality
Back to my original question, do people have genuine issues with 12 inch screen size? Of course they do, but people will have issues with basically everything, because computers are used for so many things. If you're an average graphic designer, 12 inches is just too small. The 1024x768 resolution doesn't provide enough real estate for all the palettes. In theory, you can make the resolution (density) bigger to some extent, but then the pixels will be just too small for human eye. You will have to make the widgets/fonts bigger, and you're back to square one. Remember you're talking about people who Apple designed 30-inch LCDs for. Including the possibility of putting two of them side by side. For other uses, 12-inch displays might be perfect. Keep in mind that people were using 9 Macintoshes (or even those tiny 5 screens on Osbornes earlier) and getting their work done. (I've deliberately left out the distinction between portable and stationary computers, which was absent in the original question.) Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: screen sizes vs. reality
I have and still use a 366 graphite iBook and I bought a new PowerBook around 8 months ago 12 with a superdrive and 768meg of ram. I like the size of the PowerBook and really don't have any issues with the smaller screen over the 15. I have used a 17 PowerBook from time to time (brother in law's) and though it is nice it not pleasant to lug around, the biggest plus being the screen real estate that you have. I still use the iBook and don't have any problems with the screen size outside of resolution limitations for some of the new programs, but I can deal with it. On Jan 1, 2005, at 8:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip- Back to my original question, do people have genuine issues with 12 inch screen size? Victor Snip- Larry Zasitko iMac 350mhz, Bondi Blue, 320meg ram, Jaguar Graphite Clamshell SE, G3 366mhz, 576 meg ram 12 G4 1.33ghz PowerBook, 768 meg ram, Superdrive, Airport Extreme Newton OMP, 110, 120, 2100 + eMate -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet/300 MHz
On Jan 1, 2005, at 10:22 AM, PETE wrote: I have 384 built-in-memory in my wallstreet; 128 MB bottom slot and 256 MB top slot. Can I put a 256 MB stick on the bottom slot without problems? Yes. Before I parted with mine a couple of years ago I'd installed a total of 512 in it, and it worked quite well. In fact, I traded it to a friend and it's still running great with system 10.2. IIRC, you'll need a low profile RAM for the bottom slot. Seth --- Seth Austen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sethausten.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet/300 MHz
My Reply follows quote. On 01/01/2005 07:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have 384 built-in-memory in my wallstreet; 128 MB bottom slot and 256 MB top slot. Can I put a 256 MB stick on the bottom slot without problems? TIA, PETE. - Maybe yes, maybe no. I have heard some grumbles with some brands of 256MB DIMMs. Just be sure to get a low-profile DIMM for the bottom slot. There isn't room for the normal sized one. Best if seller specifies the DIMM is for the Wallstreet bottom slot. Ken -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Ram in a Wallstreet
I can second this comment from personal experience. OS X is picky about memory; it doesn't matter the size. I haven't had any issues with OWC memory. On 1 Jan 2005, at 09:47, Ken wrote: Maybe yes, maybe no. I have heard some grumbles with some brands of 256MB DIMMs. Just be sure to get a low-profile DIMM for the bottom slot. There isn't room for the normal sized one. Best if seller specifies the DIMM is for the Wallstreet bottom slot. Ken A. M. G. D. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Bigger hard drive is always easy, and 1.33 vs 1.22GHz should be unnooticeable. My 12 Powerbook 1GHz has 2 2/3 the storage and more speed from the upgrade to an 80GB 5400RPM TravelStar, in an even smaller and lighter package. On 1/1/05 3:35 AM, Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about twice the storage capacity and a 1.33 gig processor as opposed to a 1.2? On 12/31/04 8:30 PM, MTH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't gain any screen real-estate by getting a 14 iBook, it has the same 1024 x 768 resolution that the 12 iBooks have. unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
How about memory from RamDirect? They're about ten bucks cheaper than OWC. --- James Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can second this comment from personal experience. OS X is picky about memory; it doesn't matter the size. I haven't had any issues with OWC memory. On 1 Jan 2005, at 09:47, Ken wrote: Maybe yes, maybe no. I have heard some grumbles with some brands of 256MB DIMMs. Just be sure to get a low-profile DIMM for the bottom slot. There isn't room for the normal sized one. Best if seller specifies the DIMM is for the Wallstreet bottom slot. Ken A. M. G. D. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: screen sizes vs. reality
12 was the big-size in 1997, and remains a comfortable size for a laptop screen. 14 or larger is great for extended viewing or poor eyesight. What really matters is resolution, with 1024X768 being the minimum useful resolution today as many websites are simply wider than 800 pixels and horizontal scrolling is a royal pain. Of course, all of Apple's current 12 panels are 1024X768, as is their 14, so the only real difference is the actual size of the pixels, not how many there are. 12 is a comfortable size, 14 is just a little bit more comfortable, but at a price in size and weight that is just too high for a truly portable machine. Honestly I consider my 12 Aluminum to be a bit too large for frequent travel and would prefer something the size and weight of my old Toshiba Portege (11 screen, same 1024X768 resolution, no optical drive and 3lbs), but Apple doesn't make one. For home use, I'm getting quite attached to this Pismo I just bought. Andrew On 1/1/05 7:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I had a person give me a hard time about a 12 inch LCD screen size and I want to know, do people genuinely have serious complaints about 12 inch screens? I have two units with 12 inch screens, on with a 15 inch, one with a 9.5 inch (my PowerPC PB540c) and even an old black and white PB 170 with a 640 x 400 screen. I find that 12 inch is fine. My blueberry iBook is a wonderful, use-able unit and the only time I have a problem with screen size is when some dufis designs an application program with too many pallets and menu pannels that can't be resized or hidden. OK, here's the kicker, the complaint wasn't about a 12 inch LCD on a powerbook or iBook, it was my father's current wife complaining about the heavily upgraded, 500MHz G3 powered 20th Annaversary Macintosh. I have one just like it and it's one of the finest units ever designed, essentially a PowerBook in a desktop case with a fantastic sterio built in. Back to my original question, do people have genuine issues with 12 inch screen size? Victor -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
I bought from them for my first BW and had to take out the memory in order to install Panther. Later I purchased a second BW and moved the RamDirect memory to that comp. I tried upgrading and had nothing but difficulty. After two months, I decided to try to upgrade a second time and did it without a hitch. Go figure! I have never had any difficulty with OWC memory, however. On 1 Jan 2005, at 11:32, PETE wrote: How about memory from RamDirect? They're about ten bucks cheaper than OWC. --- James Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can second this comment from personal experience. OS X is picky about memory; it doesn't matter the size. I haven't had any issues with OWC memory. On 1 Jan 2005, at 09:47, Ken wrote: Maybe yes, maybe no. I have heard some grumbles with some brands of 256MB DIMMs. Just be sure to get a low-profile DIMM for the bottom slot. There isn't room for the normal sized one. Best if seller specifies the DIMM is for the Wallstreet bottom slot. Ken A. M. G. D. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- A. M. G. D. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: screen sizes vs. reality
At 10:11 AM -0500 1/1/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I had a person give me a hard time about a 12 inch LCD screen size and I want to know, do people genuinely have serious complaints about 12 inch screens? I have two units with 12 inch screens, on with a 15 inch, one with a 9.5 inch (my PowerPC PB540c) and even an old black and white PB 170 with a 640 x 400 screen. I find that 12 inch is fine. My blueberry iBook is a wonderful, use-able unit and the only time I have a problem with screen size is when some dufis designs an application program with too many pallets and menu pannels that can't be resized or hidden. OK, here's the kicker, the complaint wasn't about a 12 inch LCD on a powerbook or iBook, it was my father's current wife complaining about the heavily upgraded, 500MHz G3 powered 20th Annaversary Macintosh. I have one just like it and it's one of the finest units ever designed, essentially a PowerBook in a desktop case with a fantastic sterio built in. Back to my original question, do people have genuine issues with 12 inch screen size? I have a fifteen inch screen iBook and have used a 12 screen iBook. They have the same resolution (1024x768. I prefer the 15 because it's easier on the eyes. But the 12 is quite useable and amazingly clear. I think if I were to use one steadily it might get to me. I think it comes down to what you are comfortable with. Newer screens are usually sharper. I also have a collection of older powerbooks and this iBook screen is a lot better. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: screen sizes vs. reality
I'm using a 12 inch iBook (G4) and I love it. I have no difficulty with reading ANYTHING. I use Word and Photoshop on it and it's just fine. Now, some people will complain.but this iBook is fast and very portable. I use it more than my desktop. My wife just replace her old 12 inch powerbook with a 14 inch iBook because she didn't like having to use her reading glassesbut she used the powerbook for over 2 years. 12 inch display is just fine. Now my 20 inch G5 iMac is really enjoyable, but I can't pick it up and carry it around with me. Tim On 1/1/05 10:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I had a person give me a hard time about a 12 inch LCD screen size and I want to know, do people genuinely have serious complaints about 12 inch screens? I have two units with 12 inch screens, on with a 15 inch, one with a 9.5 inch (my PowerPC PB540c) and even an old black and white PB 170 with a 640 x 400 screen. I find that 12 inch is fine. My blueberry iBook is a wonderful, use-able unit and the only time I have a problem with screen size is when some dufis designs an application program with too many pallets and menu pannels that can't be resized or hidden. OK, here's the kicker, the complaint wasn't about a 12 inch LCD on a powerbook or iBook, it was my father's current wife complaining about the heavily upgraded, 500MHz G3 powered 20th Annaversary Macintosh. I have one just like it and it's one of the finest units ever designed, essentially a PowerBook in a desktop case with a fantastic sterio built in. Back to my original question, do people have genuine issues with 12 inch screen size? Victor -- Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Video problems on WS I
I have received a first generation 233 WS and have already begun mapping out the needed improvements to make it worthy of the Wallstreet name. However, I need to know what might be the cause of the video occasionally going blank. It looks like someone just upped the brightness to the extreme and I can't reset it unless I restart. Might it be the PMU? an inverter going out? Jim Sanderson A. M. G. D. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
on 1/1/05 12:46 AM, MTH wrote: unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. If you have large or even medium size hands, you might find the 14 more comfortable for typing. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
Ha! You do get what you pay for! I guese when I'm ready to buy I'll go with macsales. Pete. --- James Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought from them for my first BW and had to take out the memory in order to install Panther. Later I purchased a second BW and moved the RamDirect memory to that comp. I tried upgrading and had nothing but difficulty. After two months, I decided to try to upgrade a second time and did it without a hitch. Go figure! I have never had any difficulty with OWC memory, however. On 1 Jan 2005, at 11:32, PETE wrote: How about memory from RamDirect? They're about ten bucks cheaper than OWC. --- James Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can second this comment from personal experience. OS X is picky about memory; it doesn't matter the size. I haven't had any issues with OWC memory. On 1 Jan 2005, at 09:47, Ken wrote: Maybe yes, maybe no. I have heard some grumbles with some brands of 256MB DIMMs. Just be sure to get a low-profile DIMM for the bottom slot. There isn't room for the normal sized one. Best if seller specifies the DIMM is for the Wallstreet bottom slot. Ken A. M. G. D. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Why would that be, they have THE EXACT SAME KEYBOARD, the 14 just has more wasted space on each side of it. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:25 AM, Bryan Kattwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/1/05 12:46 AM, MTH wrote: unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. If you have large or even medium size hands, you might find the 14 more comfortable for typing. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Why would that be, they have THE EXACT SAME KEYBOARD, the 14 just has more wasted space on each side of it. From the standpoint of ergonomics, this space is far from being wasted... Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
Will a 256 RAM Stick out of a BW G3 work in a Wallstreet?? I have one coming in which has 64 MB RAM needing to upgrade it as soon as it gets in. Jason On 1/1/05 1:28 PM, PETE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha! You do get what you pay for! I guese when I'm ready to buy I'll go with macsales. Pete. --- James Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought from them for my first BW and had to take out the memory in order to install Panther. Later I purchased a second BW and moved the RamDirect memory to that comp. I tried upgrading and had nothing but difficulty. After two months, I decided to try to upgrade a second time and did it without a hitch. Go figure! I have never had any difficulty with OWC memory, however. On 1 Jan 2005, at 11:32, PETE wrote: How about memory from RamDirect? They're about ten bucks cheaper than OWC. --- James Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can second this comment from personal experience. OS X is picky about memory; it doesn't matter the size. I haven't had any issues with OWC memory. On 1 Jan 2005, at 09:47, Ken wrote: Maybe yes, maybe no. I have heard some grumbles with some brands of 256MB DIMMs. Just be sure to get a low-profile DIMM for the bottom slot. There isn't room for the normal sized one. Best if seller specifies the DIMM is for the Wallstreet bottom slot. Ken A. M. G. D. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
How could a one inch slab of plastic alongside the keys be useful. My Pismo and 12 PowerBook have the same keybaord size, and the only ergonomic advantages to the Pismo are that the screen is higher and the text is larger. For touch typing, the 12 PowerBook is actually a far more comfortable machine to type on because its keys have much better action. Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. The only reason the 14 iBook and larger PowerBooks have space alongside their keyboards is because those large screens are much wider than the standard Apple laptop keyboards. Now if Apple used that space by fitting larger keys, or on the 17 PowerBook by including a full numeric keypad, that would be an ergonomic improvement. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:35 AM, Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would that be, they have THE EXACT SAME KEYBOARD, the 14 just has more wasted space on each side of it. From the standpoint of ergonomics, this space is far from being wasted... Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
Jason Long wrote: Will a 256 RAM Stick out of a BW G3 work in a Wallstreet?? I have one coming in which has 64 MB RAM needing to upgrade it as soon as it gets in. Jason Nope. The Wallstreet uses SO-DIMM's, as do the early (Rev A-D) iMacs. They take one low-profile, and one standard (or both low-profile). The BW uses standard PC100/133 DIMMS. Two different animals. JR -- This sig contains no political, religious, or commercial content whatsoever. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. When you type, you shouldn't have your arms perpendicular to the space bar, but at a certain, comfortable angle. If your palmrest is not wide enough, this forces your arms to use a different angle (people tend to do that subconsciously), which translates to more chances of RSI in longer run. Now, I don't say that it's exactly the case with 12 vs. 14 iBook, but I presume it's the same situation with 12 vs. 15 PowerBook. I have a PowerBook 15 which is great, and I tried 12 once, but it was just much less comfortable, for the reason I outlined above. The only reason the 14 iBook and larger PowerBooks have space alongside their keyboards is because those large screens are much wider than the standard Apple laptop keyboards. Now if Apple used that space by fitting larger keys, or on the 17 PowerBook by including a full numeric keypad, that would be an ergonomic improvement. I seriously disagree here. As far as I see, the keys on Apple's laptops are roughly the same size as standalone keyboards, and I see nothing but trouble with bigger keys. With full numeric keyboard, you'd have to have your hands moved to the left most of the time (for the alphanumerical part), which is just bad for your posture, would probably necessitate moving trackpad to the left as well (bad aesthetics), and your left palmrest would be too narrow, as I mentioned above already. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
On Saturday, January 1, 2005, at 06:33 AM, Jason Long wrote: Will a 256 RAM Stick out of a BW G3 work in a Wallstreet?? I have one coming in which has 64 MB RAM needing to upgrade it as soon as it gets in. No. Different kinds of memory entirely. -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D. Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
On Saturday, January 1, 2005, at 10:32 AM, PETE wrote: How about memory from RamDirect? They're about ten bucks cheaper than OWC. --- James Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can second this comment from personal experience. OS X is picky about memory; it doesn't matter the size. I haven't had any issues with OWC memory. You get what you pay for. I've never had problems with memory from Data Memory Corp, http://www.datamem.com and while they're not always the very cheapest, I'm more than willing to avoid the endless and hard-to-diagnose problems you get from bad RAM. I had bad RAM in my 7600 once. What happened is that my internal SCSI bus went away when I put in my G4 upgrade card. This persisted when I replaced my motherboard. I figured it was an issue with the G4 card and put it up on the shelf, pissed off. (It was an old JoeCard I'd gotten on clearance, the original company was no longer in existence and I couldn't return it) Months later I bought 2 new 128 MB RAM sticks (from Datamem) and discovered that not all my RAM now showed up. Painstakingly checking, DIMM by DIMM, I discovered that everything would work by itself, but that when some of my older sticks were in the system the new 128 MB sticks didn't show up. I bought another 128 MB stick at $24 and replaced all of the motley old collection of 16 and 32 MB sticks and the system ran far better and crash-free than before. On a hunch, I re-installed the G4 upgrade. Not a hitch. Saving a couple of bucks is NOT worth that kind of aggravation! -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D. Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
My Reply follows quote. On 01/01/2005 05:33 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Will a 256 RAM Stick out of a BW G3 work in a Wallstreet?? I have one coming in which has 64 MB RAM needing to upgrade it as soon as it gets in. Jason Nope. The Wallstreet takes PC-100 144 pin SO DIMMs while the BW takes PC-100 3.3v, unbuffered, non-parity 168 pin SDRAM. Ken -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
The 15 and 17 PowerBooks are much wider machines than the 12, but the 14 iBook and older 14 PowerBooks are not wide enough to get any benefit. Of course, to be wide enough to give some benefit (15 and 17 PB) makes the machine too wide to be used well as a portable, making it really a portable desktop. Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. The 12, in contrast, is so small that even if the passenger in front of me reclines, I won't have my screen crunched. That, and of course I still have room on my tray table, as opposed to bleeding over into another person's space. The 15 isn't that bad, but it still can't touch the 12 for portability and light weight. Of course, the 12 is such a delight to type on that I've never wished for anything larger for that purpose. Speaking of RSI, by the way, your hands shouldn't be touching the palmrest AT ALL, making a wider one of dubious benefit. The only time I can see a benefit of a large palmrest area is for sliding around a small optical mouse or as a surface to write rest your post-it pad on for writing real pen-and-paper notes. The 12, by the way, has a very generous palmrest and is an ergonomic delight, as far as laptops go with their low screens that force bent necks. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:58 AM, Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. When you type, you shouldn't have your arms perpendicular to the space bar, but at a certain, comfortable angle. If your palmrest is not wide enough, this forces your arms to use a different angle (people tend to do that subconsciously), which translates to more chances of RSI in longer run. Now, I don't say that it's exactly the case with 12 vs. 14 iBook, but I presume it's the same situation with 12 vs. 15 PowerBook. I have a PowerBook 15 which is great, and I tried 12 once, but it was just much less comfortable, for the reason I outlined above. The only reason the 14 iBook and larger PowerBooks have space alongside their keyboards is because those large screens are much wider than the standard Apple laptop keyboards. Now if Apple used that space by fitting larger keys, or on the 17 PowerBook by including a full numeric keypad, that would be an ergonomic improvement. I seriously disagree here. As far as I see, the keys on Apple's laptops are roughly the same size as standalone keyboards, and I see nothing but trouble with bigger keys. With full numeric keyboard, you'd have to have your hands moved to the left most of the time (for the alphanumerical part), which is just bad for your posture, would probably necessitate moving trackpad to the left as well (bad aesthetics), and your left palmrest would be too narrow, as I mentioned above already. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: screen sizes vs. reality
It seems that many of the answers flowing here on this New Year's Day are missing the point of the question. The original poster's father's wife is apparently a middle-aged to older person. But we do not know whether her corrected eyesight is 20/20 or 20/100. Yes, a 12 inch screen may be a serious hindrance for someone with less than average eyesight. There are many eye conditions that will preclude use of a 12 inch screen at 1024 x 768 resolution. In one example, a person with cataracts may fail reading that 12 inch screen, but the same person after cataract removal and artificial lens replacement with rejuvenated vision at 20/20 or better can now enjoy that 12 incher. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I had a person give me a hard time about a 12 inch LCD screen size and I want to know, do people genuinely have serious complaints about 12 inch screens? Back to my original question, do people have genuine issues with 12 inch screen size? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Speaking of RSI, by the way, your hands shouldn't be touching the palmrest AT ALL, making a wider one of dubious benefit. Well, speaking of RSI, you shouldn't be typing at all, especially on a notebook. :) I have yet to see anyone who actually types WITHOUT their palms touching the palmrest, by the way. But to each their own, I guess, and seeing that this thread has once again moved to focus on the size of the whole unit, as opposed to keyboards and palmrests, I don't think there's any point to rehash it once again. Over and out. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
screen sizes vs. reality
I have a 13.3 Wall Street. Perhaps I'm spoiled by the external 17 monitor I've used the past few years to made surfing and working easier, but when I travel I find the smaller screen size confining and some smaller print on websites harder to read. Best reason for using an external monitor at home if you have a smaller screen: it prolongs the life of the screen, the most expensive part of the laptop! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On Jan 1, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Andrew F. wrote: Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, Not true - I looked as I was reading your post, and that's EXACTLY where my hands were - the weight on the outsides of the palms along the pinky fingers, poised to move wherever on the keyboard I might wish. Very comfortable. (For me, of course, it's 2 on each side, since I have a 17.) And, On Jan 1, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Marcin Wichary wrote: That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. Actually, my pinkies was running up alongside the keyboard (esp. the right one, supporting the ring or middle finger poised over the delete key). Don't know how I'd be without that space, but I clearly use it quite a lot (now that I'm watching where my hands sit). Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On 1/1/05 9:29 AM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Bigger hard drive is always easy, and 1.33 vs 1.22GHz should be unnooticeable. My 12 Powerbook 1GHz has 2 2/3 the storage and more speed from the upgrade to an 80GB 5400RPM TravelStar, in an even smaller and lighter package. But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is now void. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
I've used laptops larger an more bulky than my 14 on airplanes with no issues, although, airplane use doesn't matter much to me since I don't really travel like that these days. My 14, like i've said, goes nearly everywhere with me, and with no effort. I often hear people complain about how difficult it is to move and travel with such big and bulky computers. My experience has been that such people are either too lazy or too out of shape to realize how light and compact these laptops really are. I've tried smaller laptops, sure. Wanna know how I use that extra space on either side of the computer? To keep the thing on my lap. A 12 laptop slips around and is unstable in my lap unless i hunch myself in as though I were typing on some playing card. Using a 12 LAPTOP on my LAP is very uncomfortable. As for weight, one extra pound really isn't that much. Sure I COULD find a smaller laptop, but to be honest, I only have one bag in which my laptop does not fit well, and that's because it's the smallest gym bag I could find. The extra palm space does indeed come in handy, since I do use it to rest my palms often, whether it's proper typing or not. And, as surmised, it does come in handy for writing a note or post it. Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Andrew F. wrote: The 15 and 17 PowerBooks are much wider machines than the 12, but the 14 iBook and older 14 PowerBooks are not wide enough to get any benefit. Of course, to be wide enough to give some benefit (15 and 17 PB) makes the machine too wide to be used well as a portable, making it really a portable desktop. Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. The 12, in contrast, is so small that even if the passenger in front of me reclines, I won't have my screen crunched. That, and of course I still have room on my tray table, as opposed to bleeding over into another person's space. The 15 isn't that bad, but it still can't touch the 12 for portability and light weight. Of course, the 12 is such a delight to type on that I've never wished for anything larger for that purpose. Speaking of RSI, by the way, your hands shouldn't be touching the palmrest AT ALL, making a wider one of dubious benefit. The only time I can see a benefit of a large palmrest area is for sliding around a small optical mouse or as a surface to write rest your post-it pad on for writing real pen-and-paper notes. The 12, by the way, has a very generous palmrest and is an ergonomic delight, as far as laptops go with their low screens that force bent necks. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:58 AM, Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. When you type, you shouldn't have your arms perpendicular to the space bar, but at a certain, comfortable angle. If your palmrest is not wide enough, this forces your arms to use a different angle (people tend to do that subconsciously), which translates to more chances of RSI in longer run. Now, I don't say that it's exactly the case with 12 vs. 14 iBook, but I presume it's the same situation with 12 vs. 15 PowerBook. I have a PowerBook 15 which is great, and I tried 12 once, but it was just much less comfortable, for the reason I outlined above. The only reason the 14 iBook and larger PowerBooks have space alongside their keyboards is because those large screens are much wider than the standard Apple laptop keyboards. Now if Apple used that space by fitting larger keys, or on the 17 PowerBook by including a full numeric keypad, that would be an ergonomic improvement. I seriously disagree here. As far as I see, the keys on Apple's laptops are roughly the same size as standalone keyboards, and I see nothing but trouble with bigger keys. With full numeric keyboard, you'd have to have your hands moved to the left most of the time (for the alphanumerical part), which is just bad for your posture, would probably necessitate moving trackpad to the left as well (bad aesthetics), and your left palmrest would be too narrow, as I mentioned above already. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Aren't there apple authorize tech out there that will do it for considerably cheaper? Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is now void. Kyle Hansen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On 1/1/05 1:15 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Aren't there apple authorize tech out there that will do it for considerably cheaper? Nope. All Apple laptop repair that is *in* warranty has to be done at one of 2 service centers. Dallas and Memphis. Memphis handles iBooks and older. Dallas handles Powerbooks. They can add RAM etc, but a Hard Drive will void your warranty. I used to manage a tech shop (just 8 months ago) and I am an Apple Certified Desktop and Portable technician. You can't even go into GSX (apple's online suite of ordering software and warranty history etc...) and order the parts. It errors out with a this part is for depot repair only please call blah blah blah... If someone tosses in a HD from an over the counter source like CompUSA then your warranty is now void. Apple Depot technicians are trained to look to see if you have been messing around inside your laptop or not when they start the repair at the depot. I have toured both facilities (as well as the parts facility in Elk Grove Ca.) and they have a system set up. The figure they gave us was that 20% of all incoming laptops were not repaired due to customer negligence or abuse. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
That seems a little excessive, don't you think? Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 1/1/05 1:15 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Aren't there apple authorize tech out there that will do it for considerably cheaper? Nope. All Apple laptop repair that is *in* warranty has to be done at one of 2 service centers. Dallas and Memphis. Memphis handles iBooks and older. Dallas handles Powerbooks. They can add RAM etc, but a Hard Drive will void your warranty. I used to manage a tech shop (just 8 months ago) and I am an Apple Certified Desktop and Portable technician. You can't even go into GSX (apple's online suite of ordering software and warranty history etc...) and order the parts. It errors out with a this part is for depot repair only please call blah blah blah... If someone tosses in a HD from an over the counter source like CompUSA then your warranty is now void. Apple Depot technicians are trained to look to see if you have been messing around inside your laptop or not when they start the repair at the depot. I have toured both facilities (as well as the parts facility in Elk Grove Ca.) and they have a system set up. The figure they gave us was that 20% of all incoming laptops were not repaired due to customer negligence or abuse. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On 1/1/05 1:46 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: That seems a little excessive, don't you think? Brian I never said that I agreed with their policy... Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
My warranty expired three days before I did the upgrade, which I did myself, though it was far from an easy job (as it is on older G3 PowerBooks). Andrew On 1/1/05 1:06 PM, Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/1/05 9:29 AM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Bigger hard drive is always easy, and 1.33 vs 1.22GHz should be unnooticeable. My 12 Powerbook 1GHz has 2 2/3 the storage and more speed from the upgrade to an 80GB 5400RPM TravelStar, in an even smaller and lighter package. But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is now void. Kyle Hansen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On 1/1/05 3:12 PM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: My warranty expired three days before I did the upgrade, which I did myself, though it was far from an easy job (as it is on older G3 PowerBooks). Yeah. The 12 books still take me about 20 minutes where a Pismo takes 3. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
12 PowerBook fits great on my lap. By the way, I am neither lazy nor out of shape, and the extra pound or more of a large laptop DOES make a difference when carried all day. My 12 PB weighs a bit under 2lbs less than my Pismo, and for carrying around town as I go from place to place, in and out of the car, or across an airport, it makes a real difference. Of course, the bag for the 12 itself is much lighter than the bag for the 14, despite both being Brenthavens with similar construction and materials. With the 12 I tend to travel light, bringing only a lightweight universal power supply (AC/Auto/Air) and as little else as possible, kind of forced by the small bag. With the larger bag there is a tendency to throw more stuff into it, stuff that gets heavy and can usually be done without anyway, like portable printers, scanners, drives and the like. With the 12, I just throw a few DVDs into clear plastic CD sleeves (cases are bulky) and any papers (or pages copied from books) that I may need into the case and that is it for my computer case. I used to carry a 7lb monster and it is so liberating to carry a 4.6 pound lightweight in its place. Andrew On 1/1/05 1:14 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used laptops larger an more bulky than my 14 on airplanes with no issues, although, airplane use doesn't matter much to me since I don't really travel like that these days. My 14, like i've said, goes nearly everywhere with me, and with no effort. I often hear people complain about how difficult it is to move and travel with such big and bulky computers. My experience has been that such people are either too lazy or too out of shape to realize how light and compact these laptops really are. I've tried smaller laptops, sure. Wanna know how I use that extra space on either side of the computer? To keep the thing on my lap. A 12 laptop slips around and is unstable in my lap unless i hunch myself in as though I were typing on some playing card. Using a 12 LAPTOP on my LAP is very uncomfortable. As for weight, one extra pound really isn't that much. Sure I COULD find a smaller laptop, but to be honest, I only have one bag in which my laptop does not fit well, and that's because it's the smallest gym bag I could find. The extra palm space does indeed come in handy, since I do use it to rest my palms often, whether it's proper typing or not. And, as surmised, it does come in handy for writing a note or post it. Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Andrew F. wrote: The 15 and 17 PowerBooks are much wider machines than the 12, but the 14 iBook and older 14 PowerBooks are not wide enough to get any benefit. Of course, to be wide enough to give some benefit (15 and 17 PB) makes the machine too wide to be used well as a portable, making it really a portable desktop. Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. The 12, in contrast, is so small that even if the passenger in front of me reclines, I won't have my screen crunched. That, and of course I still have room on my tray table, as opposed to bleeding over into another person's space. The 15 isn't that bad, but it still can't touch the 12 for portability and light weight. Of course, the 12 is such a delight to type on that I've never wished for anything larger for that purpose. Speaking of RSI, by the way, your hands shouldn't be touching the palmrest AT ALL, making a wider one of dubious benefit. The only time I can see a benefit of a large palmrest area is for sliding around a small optical mouse or as a surface to write rest your post-it pad on for writing real pen-and-paper notes. The 12, by the way, has a very generous palmrest and is an ergonomic delight, as far as laptops go with their low screens that force bent necks. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:58 AM, Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. When you type, you shouldn't have your arms perpendicular to the space bar, but at a certain, comfortable angle. If your palmrest is not wide enough, this forces your arms to use a different angle (people tend to do that subconsciously), which translates to more chances
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Yes, Di-No in Pasadena wanted $80 for the job and are fully Apple authorized. I used to be a tech support trainer (in the PowerBook 5300 days) and am used to taking laptops apart, so I decided to try it myself. As a guy with lots of experience inside modern laptops, the 12 PB was still VERY difficult to take apart and reassemble, so next time I'll just spend the $80 at Di-No, as I would have had I still been in warranty. Andrew On 1/1/05 1:15 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't there apple authorize tech out there that will do it for considerably cheaper? Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is now void. Kyle Hansen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
The flip-up screen on the Pismo is wonderful for tinkering, but the rigid mount keyboard on the aluminum books are just delightful. I don't get why the 12 and even 14 iBooks are so difficult to swap hard drives on though, as they have flip-up KBs like the Pismo and Lombard, I call that poor design on the newer models. I had an IBM X21 that only required 1 screw to access the hard drive, which slid right out of the side of the computer. This easy access was in a computer considerably smaller and lighter than my 12 PB, and what I consider terrific industrial design. Andrew On 1/1/05 3:15 PM, Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/1/05 3:12 PM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: My warranty expired three days before I did the upgrade, which I did myself, though it was far from an easy job (as it is on older G3 PowerBooks). Yeah. The 12 books still take me about 20 minutes where a Pismo takes 3. Kyle Hansen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. I just have to say that this is the silliest story I have heard against 17 PBs. While my 17-er is sometimes too big for my needs (as mentioned in Digest #2068), it does NOT extend past the width of an airline seat! If the poor idiot / fool's massive PowerBook was reducing the width of the isle, it's because maybe he was balancing a scanner on his other leg! American Airlines, 737, coach = 17 seat width Continental, 737, economy = 17.2 seat width My 17 PowerBook is 15.5 wide when nothing is plugged in to either side --- 17 is the narrowest seat I could find in a quick random search at seatguru.com. No need to abuse your fellow listas by calling them names just because they have different opinions. Who's the fool for thinking that other people are going to believe this story? Claire -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
He probably had his drink in the little cup indentation and balanced his PowerBook on the rest of the tray. By the way, I didn't call 17 owners idiots, only one particular guy I saw who made a real mess out of a 2-hour flight. I actually do see rational reasons for buying such machines, graphic design or audio work, or almost anything else where lots of screen real estate is needed in a transportable computer, which is what the 17 PB is, a transportable, rather than a portable. On 1/1/05 5:33 PM, Claire Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. I just have to say that this is the silliest story I have heard against 17 PBs. While my 17-er is sometimes too big for my needs (as mentioned in Digest #2068), it does NOT extend past the width of an airline seat! If the poor idiot / fool's massive PowerBook was reducing the width of the isle, it's because maybe he was balancing a scanner on his other leg! American Airlines, 737, coach = 17 seat width Continental, 737, economy = 17.2 seat width My 17 PowerBook is 15.5 wide when nothing is plugged in to either side --- 17 is the narrowest seat I could find in a quick random search at seatguru.com. No need to abuse your fellow listas by calling them names just because they have different opinions. Who's the fool for thinking that other people are going to believe this story? Claire -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet
I have a ton of backlogged list messages to read, I hope I'm not repeating something someone else has already said. The National Enquirer reports at 10:27 PM -0800 12/29/04, Ken wrote: My Reply follows quote. On 29/12/2004 20:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Was wondering about swapping CD and floppy module's, etc. Do I need to shut the computer down to swap out the mod's and/or battery's? Modules, even batteries, if using AC, can be inserted and removed while the machine is live. Expansion-bay modules. Correct. The term is hot-swappable. The only items that might have unusual swap guidelines are some USB and FireWire peripherals (we're talking about using PCMCIA cards for these on a Wallstreet). Also, will I need to shut down to add or remove external keyboard or mouse? Hmm. Not sure of the official advice, but the ADB and serial ports on other Macs generally carry the warning to shut down before connecting or disconnecting. P.S. Just checked the User Manual. No mention of turning off for Printers. Shut down of sleep for modems. WARNING When connecting SCSI equipment, always turn off power to all devices in the chain, including your computer. If you don't, you could lose information and damage your equipment. IMPORTANT You must shut down the computer or put it in sleep before connecting an ADB device. I don't know which manual you checked, but the ADB devices on a Wallstreet are also hot-swappable. As I recall, it was the 1st PowerBook to be so (and maybe the only one, I'm not positive about that). Because of the power (5v) on the SCSI line, it has always been shut down before adding or removing devices even though some people have gotten by hot-swapping SCSI devices for years. The bottom line is no, you don't have to shut down (or even put to sleep) your Wallstreet when adding or removing ADB mice or keyboards or expansion-bay modules. HOWEVER, if the ADB devices have 3rd-party drivers, they may not be enabled without rebooting (i.e Kensington multi-button mice). Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
I have 288 installed, though I don't know how it is configured. Is there a way to tell without opening it up. I presume its 256 and 32. Though that seems a little odd. ??? Cliff -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet
apple system profiler under apple menu, top left corner on your desktop. --- CR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 288 installed, though I don't know how it is configured. Is there a way to tell without opening it up. I presume its 256 and 32. Though that seems a little odd. ??? Cliff -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Video problems on WS I
James Sanderson said: However, I need to know what might be the cause of the video occasionally going blank. It looks like someone just upped the brightness to the extreme and I can't reset it unless I restart. Might it be the PMU? an inverter going out? If it's a 13 and the problem kind of phases in, then it's most likely the display cable that needs replacing (or at least being reinserted). If not the 13 I'm not sure. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ram in a Wallstreet/300 MHz
PETE said: I have 384 built-in-memory in my wallstreet; 128 MB bottom slot and 256 MB top slot. Can I put a 256 MB stick on the bottom slot without problems? Yes, but watch out for chip density. Here's a clip from an earlier discussion in the thread Adding RAM to WS II: Nils Said: On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 10:59:11AM -0400 or thereabouts, Dan K wrote: As many others have explained, the issue revolves around chip density. For specific details on what will work, read Apple's Wallstreet devnote: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintos h_CPUs-G3/PowerBookG3Series.pdf Nice! It appears that these machines support a chip density of 8M with a width of 32 bits. Even though that configuration isn't listed, it could be the next logical step. The pdf also states that the machine is to use SDRAM memory with a rating of 100MHz or greater. This would make sense as a recommendation because the 250 and 292MHz systems run on a 83MHz system bus. Where as the 233, 266 and 300MHz systems run on a 66MHz system bus. To make it less likely for customers to run into memory speed related issues, just tell them to use PC100. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Andrew F. said: Of course, to be wide enough to give some benefit (15 and 17 PB) makes the machine too wide to be used well as a portable, making it really a portable desktop. Unless you think portable means moving around while in use I strongly disagree, at least for 15, which I feel is a good compromise. such a delight to type on that I've never wished for anything larger for that purpose What if you do more than type? What I'm waiting for is wearables to happen with floating 20 images in glasses. I suppose key chords is the only way to go to make that work. Maybe wearables never will compete with portables, just open up new avenues of usage. They really should be around the corner technically, but there most likely will be yet some time for any siginificant market demand. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Andrew F. said: By the way, I am neither lazy nor out of shape, and the extra pound or more of a large laptop DOES make a difference when carried all day. Not in a backpack, it doesn't. This is definitively one of the best ways to carry a portable computer around. I don't notice a pound more or less. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet
My Reply follows quote. On 01/01/2005 18:54 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Just checked the User Manual. No mention of turning off for Printers. Shut down of sleep for modems. WARNING When connecting SCSI equipment, always turn off power to all devices in the chain, including your computer. If you don't, you could lose information and damage your equipment. IMPORTANT You must shut down the computer or put it in sleep before connecting an ADB device. I don't know which manual you checked, but the ADB devices on a Wallstreet are also hot-swappable. As I recall, it was the 1st PowerBook to be so (and maybe the only one, I'm not positive about that). Because of the power (5v) on the SCSI line, it has always been shut down before adding or removing devices even though some people have gotten by hot-swapping SCSI devices for years. The bottom line is no, you don't have to shut down (or even put to sleep) your Wallstreet when adding or removing ADB mice or keyboards or expansion-bay modules. HOWEVER, if the ADB devices have 3rd-party drivers, they may not be enabled without rebooting (i.e Kensington multi-button mice). Bob Maybe so, but my quotes were clipped directly from the user's manual. Smoke at your own risk! Ken -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
